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The South will not rise again
Recorded: June 26, 2025 Duration: 2:11:30Space Recording
Short Summary
In a lively discussion, participants explored the rising popularity of King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard, the cultural significance of national holidays, and the implications of immigration reform. They also delved into the evolving landscape of cryptocurrency, highlighting Bitcoin's potential as a key player in future economies and its adoption across various countries.
Full Transcription
Thank you. I am the one, I am the dad, I am nobody, I am no one, I am God, I am you, I am me, I am fire.
I am fire.
All right, all right.
Let me get into this.
Hang on a second.
Dude, I think I'm discovering slowly and steadily that this King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard is the next greatest band.
Is that what it's called?
Dude, King Gizzard, you know, I've been talking about them for a while now.
My daughter introduced me to them, like stumbled on them on like another song.
My daughter introduced me to them, like, stumbled on them on, like, another song.
Like, they have, they've been playing for, like, 12 years, and they've got, like, 25 albums.
Totally should.
But, like, they have a metal album, and then they have an 80s synth new wave album.
And then they have, like, a Woodstock-style album.
And then they've got've got like a pop album
and it's just all random shit
it's crazy
you sound like you got your air conditioning on
I do have my air conditioning on
okay you know I can turn it off
you know what
I'm wearing a t-shirt
it's actually not that hot right now
but it has been.
Yeah, I know. The last couple of days have been crazy.
We had a day off yesterday.
Provincial holiday.
it was super hot.
What's the occasion for the provincial holiday?
St. John the Baptist
Day.
So we have
Canada Day on
July 1st here we guys have
the 4th of july right independence day and we've got canada day four days sooner and the quebecois
have their own national well it's not national because we're not a nation but if ever we're to
have our own nation a sovereign nation uh it would be St. John the Baptist Day, which is on the 24th of June.
Yeah, so it's like, you know, we have like two national holidays.
Like I had a day off yesterday and I'm having another day off.
I think that's on Monday.
Is that the first?
how do you guys feel about the 4th of july is that also in a way do you guys kind of think of
How do you guys feel about the 4th of July?
it as like hey that was kind of the beginning of the end of the colonization era so to speak
no we don't really talk about it
we don't celebrate it come on everything about america come on
honestly um i've never celebrated a 4th of July.
Oh, no shit.
So, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It'd be fun to get you. It's not for – well, that's the thing, right?
So it's just there hasn't been an opportunity, I guess.
You know, it's a fun family thing.
I mean, it's a cool – it's one of my favorite holidays because it's one of the only holidays where there's zero expectations.
Like you're not going to,
no one expects you to buy them a gift.
You know,
there's not like a structured dinner that you got to dress up for.
It's like literally just go hang out,
maybe cook out and have some beers and go watch fireworks.
And that's it.
That's beautiful.
And if you don't do that,
that's fine too.
There's no no no stress
yeah i like no i mean that reason too thanksgiving there's no gift giving it's just
show up and hang out you know i dig it man like honestly it was the best how that's why i love
halloween you know what i mean yeah uh it's it's it's not that it's Halloween's actually kind of like high effort
especially for dressing up and stuff but you know there's no none of this expectations of gift
giving um yeah it just Halloween's probably one of my favorite holidays it's not even a holiday
you don't get the day off it's just but it's just weird because everybody dresses up at the office.
You know, it's not a write-off, but kind of is like, at least for the second half, you know, people are already drinking maybe depending where you work.
Hold on. I'm trying to prove your first name,
like when electrician as a speaker, but he doesn't seem to be able i can't
invite to speak i can try
so yeah are you are you doing the camera thing are you gonna have chief try it out a little bit
well i'm waiting for him to to get back i don't know if he's gonna be available but like yeah i'd
like to try the new obs thing he was working on um this week i was
pretty yeah i didn't have time to play with it myself um i was kind of busy like messing around
with my drones i got i got a new drone and so like i was building it over the weekend
and then yesterday i was flying it because i had a day off work and the weather was nice
and i took some nice footage
of the drone and I didn't break it
so that's always a good thing.
But it's just such, man,
such a weird hobby.
It's kind of fun, but like,
yeah.
It's a hard skill to master.
I've been trying
over the winter while I was playing with it inside the apartment,
and it's so hard not to hit walls and shit.
It scares the crap out of the cats.
Suddenly, when you're outside in the open,
man, it's so much fun.
There's so much more room for error.
It's like you could lose track of it.
There's trees you shouldn't worry about.
Yeah, we had a friend's uh
condo because they have a pool and so it was super hot so we're chilling there and i went in the
backyard or in the yard that communal yard so we had enough room but i went around the condo to see
to see where my car was at and you know the radio didn't penetrate the condo so like i lost i lost signal at some point
halfway around the building and i lost video signal that's what you lose first right because
it's higher bandwidth whatever uh less air less or more prone to like errors and stuff and so i was
kind of like i flew it i just i basically punched the throttle up and had to go above the um the building so i can get video signal back um yeah that was fun
have you seen some of those videos where it's like the one you've probably seen more of the
guys flying through the bowling alley have you seen that one dude yeah i'm obsessed with these
that's my youtube reel like those are my youtube reels that je, Jeeps, and FPV drone footage.
These guys doing like... I'm going, holy shit.
It almost looks like...
Part of me thinks it's also augmented in some way.
A little bit.
I think there's some stabilization that they do in post.
Because the video footage can be shaky and stuff.
And if they're making corrections to like their, you know,
their orientation, they can try to smooth it out in post.
But really, it's like it takes a lot of skill.
Unless you're using like a DJI thing that's got like an auto altitude and auto leveling feature.
If you're doing it with like a real FPV drone,
it takes some serious skill like these real estate
videographers that do it oh my god like going in through the house going to the bathroom spinning
around coming out going to the master bed like and then going through the hallway and stuff in
one take dude wow it takes some skill i'm not i'm nowhere near that i'm such like i suck dude like i've got this tiny ass drone
this is more this is more ai talk right like eventually you're just gonna have sensors on
there that keep your distance and it'll just you set it loose it'll go do a scan like uh
any like a roomba you know what i mean for sure. Like, yeah, they do have that already.
Like in Ukraine, for example, because they have all this electronic warfare stuff.
There's no title to the space.
There's no title to the space.
What the hell?
I added one.
Hang on.
Let me think.
There was something I actually wanted to say.
There was something.
Oh, my God.
Was it the end of tribalism with the RFK thing?
Was it the
Litecoin or rather the crypto
collateral
for mortgages thing?
No. I just typed it
but it went there. The south will not rise
again.
So I'm down in the south right and oh yeah okay i've i've enjoyed for the most part when i come down here
i've enjoyed it for whatever reason this trip the whole like moving slow maybe it's because of the
heat but dude these people are in slow motion.
I have been baffled.
Like, all day I've been driving the last couple days.
And if the speed limit's 50, the fastest anybody's going is, like, 52.
And these motherfuckers are going, like, 40 miles an hour.
And I'm like, what?
And I'm looking around like, am I crazy?
It's not just one of them.
It's all of them. I was like, would would you go do you not have somewhere to be and like the car just in front of them takes off and it's like there's 50 feet in front of them before they even hit the
accelerator it was just i was going bonkers today dude i couldn't get over over how slow they all move. They're like Sunday drivers all year round, yeah.
Whereabouts are you allowed to say?
Don't you have somewhere to be?
It doesn't take more effort to push the gas harder.
It's literally your foot.
Right, yeah.
I just don't see it.
The south isn't coming back.
You have nothing to fear.
Is it maybe to preserve fuel?
Are they hypermiling?
I don't know.
And then in Alabama, I was on a rural road.
The fastest you can go on a non-highway is 45 miles an hour, which I don't know.
That's pretty quick.
No, no, it's not.
Well, on a nine...
Like, usually
a state highway is our
55 standard. Maybe
some of you are 65 in Ohio. They're all
45 in Alabama.
Oh, shit. Okay.
Yeah, and everybody follows the goddamn
speed limit, so you're going down a, you know,
like a country road.
I mean, what is that? What is 45? Like a two lane highway. Yes.
Okay. Out in the middle of nowhere, 45 miles an hour, which is,
I don't know. I think it's like 80.
Kilometers. Yeah. 80, 85 or something. Is it 2.2 kilometers per mile?
So, all right, fine. It's 99.
There's 100 kilometers an hour, which is nothing.
Right?
Yeah, yeah.
No, in Canada, those country roads, like, they're typically, yeah, 90, or they're 55 miles per hour.
Yeah.
At least around here, yeah.
Right, and that's normal.
73 kilometers per hour.
53 miles, 55 miles.
Oh, you're saying you did the math?
45 miles per hour is 72.4 kilometers per hour.
Oh, that's it.
Yeah, that's the country roads out here.
And everybody's following.
What are you doing?
Take me home.
I was raging about that.
That has been my...
The thing I've been raging about.
A lot of road time.
But, yeah, the South will not rise again.
There was something else I wanted to talk about.
God damn it, I'm forgetting what it is.
I'm kind of curious on this whole video thing,
if you guys can work it out.
Oh, I do think we should do.
Mostly, okay, every week,
if you guys are listening on this recorded space and you're interested every week we just talk about
how we're gonna do things in the future but what we do we go two hours on the video and then you
turn off the video and maybe you do even uh unrecorded spaces after that. Like maybe we close it and I can always launch a fresh one.
And that's like the unrecorded extra time.
If you want to be cool and subscribe and hear the fun stuff,
you gotta,
you gotta follow us on Twitter.
Cause all the YouTube we're getting,
we're trying,
we're trying to make money off of this whole thing.
We want to quit our jobs and just be talking heads on X.
That would be amazing.
I don't know, man.
What do you think about X?
I'm starting to feel like X has gotten to be so saturated with bots.
It's become a very strange arena for discussion, I guess,
would be the best way to put it.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I follow the big
accounts that have breaking news
to get my news, basically.
And I don't engage with them more than that.
The only thing I really engage
with are like Litecoin accounts, honestly.
But beyond that, i don't know man maybe it's just me maybe i just i'm like a pretty
boring guy when it comes to my opinions and like i really like i just
i don't care enough to like, to really, unless there's something crazy.
But yeah,
it's just,
there's so much wild shit happening.
And so much of the,
so much of the,
like,
there's so much,
like,
I feel like there's so much,
I want to say racism or like,
I don't know,
like anti-gay stuff. And it's just,
this is not the kind of thing i want to discuss
but this is these are the things that appear on x that kind of like i don't know i feel um
disgusted by you know you're actually 100 right that's where like x is taking a weird turn
and so it's driving it's driving me away a little bit
from some of the engagement that I would like to be doing.
I'd like to be talking about different things.
This is, it takes me to one of the other things
I want to talk about was the immigration thing.
Because, you know, I've been kind of like
not really sure how I feel about it.
You know, I got on the plane to head down here
and I was like sitting next,
there's some sort of, it must be some sort of sporting event down here
I don't know what it is. People were wearing jerseys like it could have been ping-pong. It could have been
Like handball or something, you know, I'm saying it was like not obvious to me what the sport was
There was like a bunch of Vietnamese people on my plane. There was a French guy sitting next to me
the Steward was an African guy.
Was it like African?
And like one of the other stewardesses was Jamaican.
And I'm going, this is what America is.
You know?
Like there's this weird fantasy world that some people live in.
That they think like, they think of American as this I don't know
this identity like that there's a national identity to America and it's like European right
European Christian gun toting like truck driving American that's like the stereotype I guess
and yeah those people have just like somehow somehow Twitter has become this place that people think, like, it's almost like the Maximus.
They're reinforcing each other in their delusion.
Because they must not go into the real world where, like, if you work in any field, you just come across people all day that are coming from everywhere.
And that's kind of cool when you think about it.
People come here and they're happy to be here.
They're living their best life.
And I do still think that illegal immigration is something that I don't know.
I think you need to know who's coming into the country. I think that's probably
the biggest concern I have.
You can't just let life...
I don't think you should have ghosts. You know what I mean?
Yeah. Yes, exactly.
Because essentially, and these people
they're not living
the American dream, right?
They're living in the shadows
and when they do get a job
they're not protected by workers' rights so they get abused potentially in the shadows and like when they do get a job, they're not protected by workers' rights.
So they get abused potentially in the workplace
or whatever it is they're doing, right?
Like they get made to work overtime without overtime pay.
If they get injured, you know, there's no insurance for them, right?
injured, there's no insurance for them, right? I'm assuming. So yeah, and this is the thing that,
I'm assuming.
I think we spoke about this last week, an immigration reform or a working visa reform
is what's needed. Giving people that are working in industries that need them,
in industries where they're indispensable,
giving them visas, work visas,
and then the rights,
and then the pay that goes with it, right?
Minimum wage, at the very least.
And yeah, the problem is, though, dude,
I guess the AG, the agriculture lobbyists,
don't want that.
Because, like, you know, we're like, this is, you know, this immigration reform is going to cut into our profit margins, right?
Like, we can't have that.
That's probably why it's been taking so long for it to happen.
because this is a discussion that's like 20, 30 years old, dude.
Because this is a discussion that's like 20, 30 years old, dude.
It's strange to me, though, that there isn't a,
particularly when the Democrats are in power,
that there isn't more effort to say,
okay, let's get everybody.
I mean, I guess under Obama, I guess they did the Dreamers Act, right?
If you came here, you were born here,
but your parents aren't citizens, you can become a citizen.
Isn't it like if you came here when you were a minor or something?
Like, because birthright citizenship is a thing.
But yeah, the dream is if you came here as a minor.
Or maybe even if you weren't born here, but yeah, you came here when you were like three years old.
So you're not taking it as a citizen, but hey, hey let's get you let's get things cleared up
let's get a like get some sort of structure to this so how much is it that it's confusing
how much is it that it's like costly i don't know i guess that's the hard part
like what's the challenge and uh because you do kind of want see I feel like I'm going back
because like you know my whole thing
I get that you want people in this country
to be here first like to get
the first bite of the apple.
And I guess
at the very least it should be a level
playing field.
And that's where probably people feel like
like we talked about last week
with the health care in california where you're not even you know people who just come here get
free health care it's like well how is that fair to the people living here who are paying for you
know that feels kind of fucked up so yeah i mean it's just it, it's the humane thing to do. Um, but at the same time, like, okay, you know, there's that story of the man who's,
um, he was so generous.
He wants to give out his kidney to like a dying kid who needed a kidney.
And then it's like, okay, well, uh, some kid needs, uh, some cataracts.
So like he gave the kid his eyes, you know?
And by the end of the day, at the end of the day, he'd harvested all his organs, and he fucking died.
So that's kind of what's happening, right?
At some point, you've got to be able to sustain your own life before you can extend help to others.
And when you look at the national debt
and the interest payments
that exceed that of the Department of Defense,
it kind of makes you look at the situation as,
it seems dire.
It seems like this is a runaway train
and we've all got to be pulling ourselves up
by our bootstraps and cutting back
and everybody's got to get a fucking haircut.
And meanwhile, you're still hemorrhaging cash everywhere right um right and so it's it's it
kind of makes you like it makes people that pay taxes and that you know contribute to society
it makes it feel like it's for nothing like it's being like the people like you're doing
you're doing what is responsible.
You're taking responsibilities.
You know, you're paying your shit.
You're not in debt.
You're like financially responsible.
And meanwhile, it's like the government isn't.
It feels like they're just printing cash.
Whenever there's an emergency, it's like, okay, well, you know what?
Let's just like, let me look in my magic bag over here.
Oh, look, another trillion dollars.
And like, they're just kicking the can down the road
because these guys that are in office
are all geriatrics.
So they're not gonna have to foot the bill ever.
They're gonna be able to retire nicely
in a comfortable like, you know,
mansion and pass away in their sleep, right?
And their families will be taken care of.
While the rest of the people,
people actually making the machine work, right,
are the ones that are going to pay for it.
So the whole thing is like, yeah.
How long does this go on?
You know, how long does this go on?
Forever?
I'm really disappointed.
Yeah, I think it looks like it. I'm really disappointed. Yeah, I think
it looks like it. I'm so disappointed.
It looks like Doge has failed.
Like they weren't able to cut
what they wanted or they weren't able to meet their targets.
Right. And that budget
that Trump passed
tacked on like a huge deficit as well.
It was a huge spending bill.
So even with like the people that promised that whose whole mandate was
like to write the ship.
And it seems as though that it was like,
that was our best chance to do so.
It seems like they're failing at it.
Oh yeah.
So much so that it makes you feel like where we just played the whole time.
Because remember how excited we were?
That was only five months ago.
We were like, oh, my God, they're actually doing it.
For the first time in my life, they're going through and cutting these things off at the knees.
time of my life they're going through and cutting these things off at the knees and
it's just i think without wholesale change
you're doomed but the problem is how do you get consensus around wholesale change
when the people who hold the purse strings don't want it So they can just propagandize all day.
Yeah.
Like healthcare companies don't want medical subsidies to end.
You know, the war machine doesn't want the military budget to be cut.
And guess what?
They own everything.
So they run the newspaper.
The CIA doesn't want the military cut.
The government doesn't want the military cut. The government doesn't want the military cut.
All these NGOs who live off the government funding and all the lobbyists, they don't want things cut.
So the entire information machine is stacked against you.
And it's like something has to happen.
And I do think COVID is one of those things that triggered a lot of people to like kind of shake the cobwebs out a bit and go, oh, I'm being lied to.
Yeah.
A lot of people woke up.
And you wonder if like it's going to just continue to take these major events that eventually enough people go, look, the alternative is scary.
major events that eventually enough people go,
look, the alternative is scary,
but if we continue down the same path,
we're fucking doomed.
So I'd rather take my chances on the alternative,
which is kind of what happened down in Argentina, right?
With Mille, that they rolled the dice with him,
and it's been working out beautifully so far.
And so as these countries, maybe as we see these currencies start to collapse and countries basically get fucked.
And have no choice but to say, we're going to roll the dice and we're going to take a guy who's just a free market guy.
And if enough countries demonstrate that that's the path forward that works
and it's not,
and millions of people don't die,
then that might just be the,
the,
the thing that ultimately gets people on board with rolling the dice on
something new.
Cause right now in New York,
like the socialists and it's,
it's just getting worse.
We're getting worse. We're going in the wrong direction
is the crazy part
I don't know man
is it over?
is the dream with Trump
is that whole fucking thing
I mean look
it looks like he bent
the knee to Israel
and he started a war with Iran
it's already there he's no longer the peace president.
He's starting shit.
My only hope is that thing, dude.
This to me is the lowest he's been.
He also was very low during COVID, I thought.
I thought he, I think he got exhausted in his first term.
And COVID was just this last thing.
He was just like, I just don't have any fight left in me.
And, yeah, he got overwhelmed by the machine.
And I don't know what's going on right now.
Again, like, I've been half paying attention.
Not enough for sure.
But, I don't know, something about his rhetoric just isn't landing
like it used to
you know?
Yeah, definitely
where he kind of says something and you go, okay, you're almost rolling your eyes
like, yeah, I know, big, beautiful, right, okay
I got it
I really feel like you saw it
you saw him
the whole thing falling apart
this week he swore, right, he said an f-bomb yeah and um that's him being like fuck like he's like i guess what he had no he has no
control over israel yeah he lost his composure there and i guess he must be actually really pissed with Israel.
Which is good.
Right?
And hopefully they listen.
But, like, dude, these guys aren't going to stop, man.
Like, the Israelis are not going to stop.
the way they need to to like
They're not going to stop until they've captured every territory they need to to, like, realize the Holy Land.
realize the Holy Land
right
Right?
and it's just
oh man it's so discouraging
it's so discouraging
I wonder what's changed for them
like why have they
I guess I don't say evolved
but why have they suddenly
felt emboldened
maybe they have more money than we think i guess i don't say evolved but why why have they suddenly felt emboldened
maybe they have more money than we think
or we have less money than we think
i know i'm wondering dude i'm i'm wondering if they've got a bunch of crypto they're not telling people about you know what i mean like so there was this tweet I saw.
I should have bookmarked it.
But apparently when those nuclear facilities were bombed in Iran, the Bitcoin network's hash rate dipped like 5% or something.
And people are speculating that they were mining Bitcoin in Iran.
And their Bitcoin mines were like the targets of their strikes.
Oh my God.
Could you imagine if that were true?
But it's not.
People's brains are fucking rotten, dude.
Yeah, there could have been some hash rate.
I mean, you crushed some nuclear power plants, correct?
So electrical grids, I'm assuming, got knocked out.
I don't know, dude.
Yeah.
It's a weird, you know, it's Bitcoin-centric thingy.
The world revolves around Bitcoin.
Right.
Right.
But who knows?
So these guys, these Israelis, are super good hackers.
Their NSO group was able to hack Facebook, iMessage, WhatsApp,
with zero-day phone calls.
It was a zero-day thing.
They'd been hacking people for years before we knew about it.
This is very possible that they have a stockpile of stolen Bitcoin.
Sure. Yeah, I would agree with that. I would agree with that.
You know, and if Bitcoin is money and they see it as money,
you know, maybe they're just, they just want it all. And they're like, okay,
Iran's got some, let's just take them out, you know? Who knows who's next, man?
Let's just take them out, you know.
Who knows who's next, man.
But yeah, you're right.
This is a Bitcoin-centric conspiracy.
The legitimacy behind it,
I would give maybe a low 30% chance.
Well, what's the gain?
You know what I mean?
To sell off the Bitcoin?
I don't understand what the gain is. I mean like To sell off the Bitcoin
To like out compete the hash rate drop like what 2% I
Was I think it was more than that but like yeah it in two weeks in two weeks everything's back to normal Like this is if so same concept that Israel's bombing people
So portion of the hash rate for the next two weeks.
The other thing to consider is that they went after Iran's bank, right?
So Iran has been kind of cut off from the global, or at least the swift banking network and U.S. bank.
There's an embargo, right?
And people aren't allowed to trade with them. At least people aren't allowed to trade with them.
At least allies aren't allowed to trade with them.
So for Iran, their sole source of revenue
potentially could have been Bitcoin mining, right?
Maybe that's how they were funding
all their terrorist attacks and all this shit.
Who knows?
Yeah, we'll see, we'll see. You see you know me i'm just uh i'm just the um
skeptic in chief dude no that's perfect i mean look i'm raising this this as a point
like but i don't have any confirmation at all and uh it's probably not even true.
Maybe there's some truth to it,
but yeah, probably not.
Probably not.
I think it's an interesting idea to speculate on, though.
But it doesn't paint Bitcoin or crypto
in the best light.
Again, it's being used by terrorism.
But who knows? Maybe if they get rid of...
Go ahead, go ahead.
Go ahead.
No, maybe if they get rid of all the terrorism,
all the terrorists using Bitcoin,
it'll be better for the crypto industry in general as a whole.
But terrorists should use Bitcoin, shouldn't they?
Or Litecoin or Mweb or Monero.
Yeah, okay. But but like nobody likes terrorism
right i think we could all agree um so when you talk about terrorists who are we talking about
i like putting you on the spot, our animal. Who are we talking about?
Yeah, who's bombing people?
I guess that's a matter of perspective.
It's like, which side are you on?
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter, right?
So, yeah.
From the perspective of the U.S. government,
the terrorists would be the Iranians, Hamas,
the Taliban, all these guys.
From URI's perspective, people who are sympathetic to human life,
maybe the Israelis are the terrorists.
Who knows?
Right.
Yeah. So, yeah. Who knows? Right. Yeah.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
And it comes down to what matters most
to you. Is it your bags?
Are your bags the most important thing?
Are we no better than the baddies?
Are we the baddies?
I'm a bad motherfucker, I'll tell you that.
Yeah, but you know,
are you like... Yeah. Matt, I'll tell you that. Yeah, but you know, like, are you like...
Yeah.
Man, I was watching with my girlfriend, we were watching Andor, right?
I don't know if you're familiar, but it's basically a story about this rebel who becomes radicalized,
who initially wasn't a rebel, who didn't want to be involved with the rebellion at all.
But one way or another, God dragged into it.
And, yeah, we're looking at some of the people, you know, the counter-terrorists, the empire.
And my girlfriend and I are looking at each other and she works, she works, she's a lawyer,
right?
And she protects these big companies and stuff.
And she's like, man, that's basically, that's what I do.
She's like, am I, am I the bad guy you know so yeah
god damn like it's a moral dilemma well you know there are bad guys in all
stretches and yeah I mean if you're defending the law is written by who
the bad guys i don't know hey you know actually i want to ask you something so
remember i had you read that book a long time ago did you read did you read the story of b
or did you read ishmael i read ishmael i don't i have b but i haven't read it yet
I read Ishmael.
I have B, but I haven't read it yet.
So I actually, on the plane,
I popped that in.
I listened to it again.
I haven't listened to that Ishmael in a long time.
And I gotta tell you, man,
I really like that book.
It really makes you think about,
and I don't remember if you know what it's about,
but the takers and the leavers and...
The story of mankind,
the,
the story of mother culture,
like what your culture,
mother culture.
Yeah.
And,
you know,
it really does give you perspective on the things that you're told.
So essentially,
this is a really hard thing to try to sum up,
but essentially like the whole world is essentially one culture,
even though we have variations.
We all have some foundational beliefs about like man's interaction with the
world and that the world,
like what our culture tells us all the time is that man was put here to
that man was put here to conquer the world,
conquer the world.
and that it's our domain to do to it as we see fit to the benefit of man.
And that was not true for the vast majority of human history.
And we also believe that it's like the natural evolution of the human being is to go
from this tribal people to like more advanced and civilized and that's that's the natural progression
of humanity as opposed to like we are actually an error of sorts this whole concept of and they
bring up like the garden of eden eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and they bring up like the Garden of Eden, eating from the tree of the knowledge of good
and evil, is like trying to become a god, essentially.
And the way they frame that story is, when you ate of the apple, right, you believed
yourself to be essentially in charge of your domain like you saw that you
became not an animal anymore might be the best way to put it you viewed yourself as something
beyond besides animals so like you covered yourself up and then uh yeah just it's really they're 100 percent right.
I think I think it's right.
But yeah, so you you eat of this apple.
You believe that you have this unique power on reality in the Bible.
That's the fall of man.
That's like it's seen as a negative.
The people who wrote that saw this faction of humanity essentially I guess
fixing on their own demise
and then the story of Cain
and Abel
the herder, the one who just
slaughters the animals of the land
lives off the land, is the good guy
is Abel, right? And Cain
who's the one that collects grain
from the field, the farmer
is the one that kills abel
oh man it really it's it's a it's something that rings true man and one of one of the things that
i really get driven nuts about is when people talk about population decline and they're like
we got to do something about there's not the birth rate is not keeping up
as if that's. And like people don't question, like, why is that a problem?
It's just this natural belief that we believe humans should continue to proliferate.
Population should continue to grow. We should continue to, you know, dominate the earth as
much as we possibly can.
Nobody sits there and goes, who cares?
Honestly, who cares if there's fewer people in 20 years? The story of B gets into that a lot.
It talks about the population.
I'll tell you who cares, man. The Teamsters.
All your pension funds, man, they collapse as soon as people stop being produced to okay
whatever the ponzi yeah i mean that's the same as money same as money collapsing it happens all
time but that's not that's not like a life or death for the planet or for the the entire culture
of people that live on it you know yeah? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know.
You know what's crazy, dude?
In Canada, they announced this plan
to increase the retirement age to 70.
Oh, jeez.
You hear about this shit?
Yeah.
So here's the way it's going to work, okay?
If you put off retirement for five years,
your pension will increase by 42%.
Oh, my God.
So that's how they're doing it.
But plus you're going to get
paid those five years, so it's not like
that makes it a no-brainer, which makes it
again, you're kicking the can down the road because then young
people aren't going to be able to work.
Yeah, it's fucked up.
It's never just, hey, let's cut spending.
No, exactly.
Like there's one guy in the corner.
Hey, hey, you know, we could just cut some of this spending.
And everyone goes, would you shut the fuck up?
We're trying to have a conversation here.
No, they throw him out the window.
I know.
Or they give him a black eye.
Yeah.
Exactly.
Exactly, dude. It's, it is it does feel very hopeless and i think
with that book what i liked about it was you know he even said in there somewhere he goes you know
we're always just like you know a certain invention way if we could just get people to act a certain
way then this system will be successful you know then we can invention way, if we could just get people to act a certain way,
then this system will be successful.
You know,
then we can cohabitate with the planet.
And of course,
it's kind of got an environmental tinge to it,
which I'm not a huge,
I don't know.
I don't consider myself like an environmentalist to any degree.
I think it's overblown,
but I definitely don't think we should be poisoning, you know, the water in the air.
Right? So, like, I guess there's like two sides to the story. I used to have a co-worker that would be like
he was like, oh, it's all bullshit. It's just a scam. And I'm like,
okay, you might think CO2's a scam, but it's still not
a good thing to pump poison into the air.
If we can avoid it, shouldn't we avoid it?
Yes.
Right?
Yeah.
This is natural.
But blaming it all on the populace, right, and making the populace make these sacrifices that literally just put it, like, not even a dent.
While meanwhile, these corporations are pumping tons of CO2 and, you know,
they're getting carbon credits. They're doing all like,
it feels like they're trying to guilt trip the population.
When it's really, you know, still again,
the lobbyists that are, they're getting away with murder.
I think it's also a way to disadvantage small businesses.
Right.
Could be that.
You make it, it's like this bizarre, costly regulatory burden that to do on a small scale is like really cumbersome.
To get certain, like, I don don't know certifications so that you can
so you can bid on government jobs and if you're not certified well then you can't bid on a
government job and then the certification if you're not if you're not paperless yeah if you
don't have fluorescent or LED lighting everywhere on your building yeah you're ineligible right
here yeah you're uh you have to have ada compliant walkways all
the way around like all this shit just gets to be so onerous on a small to medium business owner
it's just like fuck it and then they can't participate in the government largesse bro
it's yeah it is so doomed man and i yeah i do definitely feel like I'm probably checking out because I'm just like
maybe I had a sliver
of hope when Elon was
doing his thing and
it felt like we were going to actually
Trump talked about cutting
the military by 50%.
I don't know if you know that during his campaign.
He was like, alright.
He won. He's got a mandate.
He convincingly won. He won running on things that people
obviously supported broadly, and then he's just
not done those things.
By the way, the guy from Columbia University, I guess, got let out of jail.
The one who was put in jail for no reason at all,
except that he was protesting against Israel.
So that's good news.
Sick. I didn't hear about it, but yeah, it is good news.
Freedom of speech wins again.
So I've always had faith in judges.
I've always felt like I've said that a long time.
Of course, there's bad judges, but overall, I feel like they're our best hope to keeping sanity.
No, yeah, you're probably right.
It's just that judges can also be captured, right?
They can, but you've got to go through a lot of layers of capturing.
You've got to go through a lot of layers of capturing.
You've got your local judges, your district, your state, and your federal.
There's even various federal districts, and then there's a Supreme Court.
You have to really get shit very corrupted to fuck all those layers up.
All these lifetimes.
Corrupted, or you could see it from another perspective.
If the culture changes
so much that every layer
of the judicial system is saturated
with this cultural shift.
Yeah, but that's the culture.
That is the people.
And that's the ultimate
flaw in the design
of the
Constitution.
Every judge should be a constitutionalist, basically.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, yeah.
Again, I don't know if you know our system.
Do you know our system well?
I don't even know.
I don't.
I can't say I know it well.
God.
I don't even know the Canadian system well.
You go ask the English what the law is, and they they tell you and you just go, okay, thank you.
I mean, here's the thing.
Like, we don't really learn these things in school.
And what we do learn from the media is so American, right?
That we know a bit about the American stuff.
We might know more about the American legal system than the Canadian one.
If we just watch a lot of legal dramas, right?
Like we just, so yeah.
My girlfriend is well-versed.
She knows this stuff.
It sounds amazing.
After having these conversations today,
maybe your girlfriend should be on the show and so do you
i think so honestly she's so often like she'll be listening to me in the other room and she'll
be sending me text messages like what the fuck are you talking about idiot
give her an anonymous give her go set her up with an anonymous account
bring her in here.
We need female representation.
Yeah, true, true.
She's got an account.
I'll invite her.
I'll see if she wants to come in.
She's reading now, though.
Well, so, yeah.
Kind of excited.
We're going to have an interview
in a couple weeks
it's going to be with this guy
from the AI school
which I'm
I'm kind of hyped about
the alpha school
I'm wavering
I was hating on AI
I still do like it.
I know it's going to take over everything, but I don't know.
I don't know what that means yet.
Yeah.
I think it's a good thing.
Honestly, we're at a stage right now where digital devices are so pervasive anyways.
Not about your kids, but I've seen,
I have kids and kids in my life, kids of friends and family, and they're always on these iPads,
you know, and they just get lost in them, in this world. And
arguably, like, the stuff they're doing is kind of, it's a waste of time. It's where they could be,
the stuff they're doing is kind of
a waste of time.
They could be
learning something or being taught
lessons and whatnot
guided with an AI
having their brains develop
in a more
advanced way. They're kind of
just turning their brains into mush.
Turning them into dopamine fiends.
I think there is a brighter path, right?
And I think AI plays a key role in that.
I keep talking about this book I refer to all the time
called The Diamond Age, right?
Where this young slum girl finds this magical book.
Slum young guy?
Some young guy. No, no. A slum girl finds this magical book. Slum young guy? Some young guy.
No, no.
It's a slum girl.
Oh, okay.
Some young.
She's from the slum, so like the ghetto, right?
A broken family.
The father's not in the picture.
The mother's got a string of boyfriends that are abusive.
And she finds this book.
Rather, her brother steals it from an aristocrat.
And this book in it is an AI that...
Is it called the Diamond Age, you said?
Yeah, the Diamond Age.
And the book itself that the girl finds is called A Young Woman's Illustrated Primer.
So you know what a primer is when it comes to paint and stuff, right?
It's like... Yeah. And for human beings, their primer is when it comes to paint and stuff, right?
Yeah.
And for human beings, their primer is the school system, education system.
And so this book aims to teach young... Specifically, this book is made for one specific young woman,
the daughter of a CEO of what is the equivalent of Google, this ultra-wealthy kid, to turn her into the next CEO of the business.
Okay.
So the father had this book programmed for her so that she was given it at the age of four or something.
It never ends up getting into her hands because it gets stolen by some thugs, and the thug then gives it to his younger sister because he doesn't know what to do with it.
The book won't even open for him.
But in the hands of a young girl, the book opens up and binds itself to her, right?
Jesus, bro.
I'm looking it up on audiobook.
It's 18 and a half hours.
Dude, it's epic.
epic. It's my favorite book.
It's my favorite book.
I might have to purchase this thing.
I might have to
purchase this thing.
Basically, this chick
reads it.
This is the
ideal optimal outcome for AI
at least
in the development of humans,
of children,
versus what we have now,
which are basically like these these gotcha
games you know or like roblox minecraft which minecraft okay we could be seen as educational
if you get deep enough into it but most kids just fuck around in it and don't do anything really
constructive um and roblox too i don't know if your kids ever got into Roblox, but as far as I can tell, it's just really,
it's like a sugar rush, you know what I mean?
There's nothing really acceptable here.
We talked about Roblox before.
Yeah.
I'm really looking forward to talking to this AI guy, dude.
What's his name, Steve?
Oh, man, I don't know.
I can't go check.
Okay, let me... Steve Reese, maybe? Reese, Reese, I don't know. I can't go check. Okay, let me...
Steve Reese, maybe?
Reese, Reese, Reese.
Reese, yeah.
Well, so there's the other guy who I was kind of...
I thought I was going to do an AI interview.
I might ask him to come in.
I don't know.
I don't want to make it combative now,
but maybe I'll try to do a back-to-back.
He's kind of an AI doubter, I guess I would call him.
But, all right, I guess I would call him.
I don't even want to call him that.
Alarmist, maybe?
Or a decelerationist, let's say.
Dude, that's totally fair, man. God knows, we don't know.
We can't see past the singularity.
This is an outcome that is beyond our ability to perceive and predict by its nature.
You know what the Luddites are, right?
You know what a Luddite is?
Yeah, yeah.
People who don't embrace technology who resist it.
Well, it was a specific group of people in a specific era of time.
I don't think it was like a luddite is a
right that's that's where the word came from yeah yeah like the uh i don't want to say the
the amish but the amish are luddites right um no i think luddites were maybe we've reached
peak technology and nothing else is needed well Actually, let me look that up because this is a distinction I think is important.
I don't know if it was rejecting new technologies or
if it was
believing that there were no meaningful
technologies needed
to be discovered after.
Okay, so here we go.
The Luddites were members of a 19th century
movement of English textile
workers who opposed the use of certain
types of automated machinery due to concerns
relating to worker pay and output quality.
Now, this actually is a
completely different framing of what I would have thought.
So this is
people fighting against automation,
basically.
Members of the group referred to themselves as Luddites, followers of Ned Ludd, a legendary weaver whose name was used as a pseudonym in threatening letters to mill owners and
government officials.
So it was like a worker rebellion.
It began in Nottingham, England, and spread for five years.
It began in Nottingham, England, and spread for five years.
Mill and factory owners took to shooting protesters,
and eventually the movement was suppressed by legal and military force,
which included execution and penal transportation.
Look, all I know, I don't want my penal transported anywhere.
Of accused and convicted Luddites.
That was a dad joke.
The term has been used to refer to those
opposed to the introduction of new technologies okay so this is this is interesting it's become
like a mockery or a slur in a way right that's how i would yeah it's a derogatory term these days yeah
but i mean the luddites of of of the 19th century are similar to the Luddites, or at least the people like the Writers Guild, right, who went on strike because they don't want motion picture studios to have scripts written by AI.
So, yeah, we're repeating.
every person repeating history is repeating yeah but does everybody have at a point a stopping
History is repeating.
point where we all go okay what are we doing right like what do we really want to have
a computer teaching your children and becoming getting into a relationship like a mentorship
relationship with them when it's just a fake personality controlled by Google?
Do you become that person? Are you then a Luddite?
If you go, let's just hit the pause button. And that's what I mean. What I think with AI is interesting is that humans,
we cannot stop ourselves. We have no ability to go,
you know what? This is probably something we shouldn't be doing.
We've never done that.
Maybe most of us will.
Most of us will say, hey, we probably shouldn't try to combine the DNA of an animal,
like a chimpanzee and a leopard, and seeing what happens.
And everybody goes, yeah, that's probably a bad idea.
But there's always somebody.
99.9% of people say don't do it but there's always some crazy motherfucker that figures it out and then when it works everyone goes well i mean he's already done the work
why don't we just use his technology whether it was testing people with syphilis right or like the japanese uh prison camps where they
like let people's arms freeze off and shit like that and they do those tests and it results in
the results of the medicine and we go yeah let's let's take the medicine i mean the guy already
his arm already froze off so we don't ever say i don't want any piece of that wicked shit.
And I think you hit it because the reality is progress can't be stopped.
In a global market, in a capitalist economy, when one country can get an edge over the other, it's going to happen.
Someone's going to do it.
And people have realized this. And so there's going to happen. Someone's going to do it. Right. And so, and people have realized
this, right. And so there's no stopping it. People are just funneling more cash, more R&D into it.
And we're getting there faster than we can blink our eyes, you know, like year over year. Like,
so they're saying that, you know, AGI or like an AI that's smarter than a human is going to be developed,
if not by the end of this year,
by next year at the latest.
And so, yeah, who's stopping it?
No one's stopping it.
There's no stopping it, right?
If we don't do it in the West,
they'll do it in the East, right?
And whoever does it first is going to have
a huge edge. They're going to have you know a huge edge they're going to
leapfrog the other nation right but okay do you think at all we're reaching a point that is um
the the diminishing returns are such that the only way some of these things can come to be is through government spending.
And government spending is essentially kicking the can down the road, right? Stealing from the
future to pay for today. And that, like, solar power is a good example of that to me. That there's,
there would need to be, there should be zero government subsidies. If it works well,
if it's profitable for a homeowner to just buy it without a tax break, without whatever, and mount it in,
and if that thing pays for itself in five years, whatever I put on my roof, that should be all that's required.
But what is clear is that the proliferation of solar is dependent on government money.
And so you're borrowing from the future,
which means it doesn't make economic sense.
And if it doesn't make economic sense, it's not a good technology.
It's going backwards.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, I do see what you're saying.
But at the same time, I think that just because it isn't a viable alternative right now, with all the money being funneled into it for R&D, the solar cells can become more efficient.
And then maybe in five or ten years, it'll be a viable option.
10 years it'll be a viable option look i would be willing to agree with you like if we were
Look, I would be willing to agree with you.
five years into this thing we're 30 years 40 years on the solar panels and freaking billions
and billions of dollars put into this development if it were worthwhile a company would invest the
money themselves to become the company that figures out solar panels
you know and like develops a patented technology that they they'll come out to your house and like
they're going to sell every single house because the payback is whatever four years or whatever
but it's clearly not the case dude i mean go drive around windmills same thing people don't put them
up in their own homes a few hippies do but you don't because it costs you three grand and it saves you $3 a month. And you go, well, then what's the point?
Yeah. I mean, solar, I think, is better, you're talking about we're getting blanketed. How do you convert that heat and light into electrical energy?
That's all you're trying to do.
And it's just, I just don't think we appreciate how much energy it takes to do the things that we're doing.
Conveniences of pumping light into every single home at the flick of a finger 24 hours a day, nonstop everywhere, lighting up signs and, you know, the machinery to build all the crazy shit we want.
We just, you know, we're borrowing from the future, you know, same thing.
You're burning the oil because you're borrowing from the future.
Yeah, fair enough.
Okay, now let's go back to that book.
If we could learn to even live within our electricity means,
like saying that we're only going to use power that we can produce via the sun,
let's say solar or wind,
and we agree that as a world, we're going to actually
get ourselves off of this electrical borrowing
of the future, burning fossil fuels, whatever.
That would be an amazing step if humans could actually do that.
I could say if this requires
too much energy, it's a technology that's not worth it.
Like we're destroying, we're essentially destroying the earth in order to have the thing we want in the now.
But our ego is through the roof, dude.
The hubris.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I'm all positive tonight.
Honestly, I think that solar power is going to make a resurgence.
I see it happening.
Look, data centers are going to need to keep increasing in size.
Unless, like, you know, they create AI models that are able to, you know, process queries rapidly
on a personal level.
I think data centers are going to keep increasing in size.
Power needs are going to keep increasing.
And yeah, probably solar isn't the answer right now.
Probably nuclear is better.
Those micronuclear plants seem promising.
But the reality is that for the next 50, 100 years,
we're going to need a lot of juice.
We're going to need a lot of energy.
For what?
What if we just let the populations fall then we wouldn't have to keep
producing so much energy we could just like if we all died i mean no what what where was that
where did that extremism oh okay if the population just felt like placement rate isn't there so we're
at eight plus billion and in 10 years we're at like 7.9 billion and 10 years
later it's 7.6 billion like what's the harm in that i mean the reason our energy demand drops
and we how would that happen naturally like typically rates decline happening and everybody's
freaking out like but i think the reason it happens is because
there's no need
for an excessive amount
of children in
the developed world.
I think the reason why
it's happening is because
our purchasing power
has diminished
and having a child is a huge liability.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, animal.
Where are the most births in the world?
It doesn't have to do with I have money and therefore I have babies.
Well, the culture also has, we also have this keeping up with the Joneses culture in the West.
Those fucking Joneses, dude.
I'll tell you, they just fucked everything up.
If they would just relax, we wouldn't all be competing.
Even in China, for example, right?
This is a good example.
When you're dating a girl and stuff the
aunties will come and be like so what do you do how many houses you have blah blah this isn't that
you need to you need to be able to impress them you need to have some wealth um
and with these pressures like not not everyone in the world can even find a woman to start
a family with right
it takes
money to have a family
in some places
it's like a luxury
I mean it's not
it's not like it's undoable.
Just people prefer to have things for themselves over having a family.
They're like, well, it's going to cut into my, whatever.
I might have to move to a smaller house.
I might have to move out of the city.
I might have to downgrade my car.
I might have to have my wife stay home from work,
or I might have to stay home from work.
Like that's, people don't want to sacrifice.
So they're just being.
They're vacations.
They're being self-sacrificing.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
And so, and that's, you know, that's to their, you know,
they can knock themselves out.
Maybe that's the net result of a society that doesn't,
you don't need family when you have abundance,
when you have wealth beyond like imagination.
In the U.S. we have wealth beyond imagination
compared to any other time in history of any people, right?
So it's like almost a luxury that you don't need other people.
You don't see any need to actually even reproduce yourself.
Right.
So is that because we've been to the mountaintop and we've seen it and gone, you know what?
It actually isn't that great.
Like I've found a lot of people you'll find our age will go, I just don't know that I want to bring kids into this world.
You know, as if it's this, you're dooming them to some purgatory, right?
So maybe, maybe the opulence of what we have is, is kind of self-defeating because we ultimately go, this isn't that great.
We've been here and it's and it's not all it's
cracked up to be
and so the richest countries ultimately fail
because they don't replace themselves
so this whole thing you're saying that the population
diminishing naturally is
is a good thing
and that capitalism
the Joneses thing
overall if you
if we all learned if we as people consumed less, then the thing is we're stuck in this system that's the debt-based system, right?
And that any contraction of the economy is like a nightmare for the bottom 30, 40% of people.
is like a nightmare for the bottom 30-40% of people.
Because you'd like to be able to say,
hey, we should just be able to go to work and produce fewer products
and sell less stuff every year.
That should be an option.
But we live in this hyper-debt society
where even the biggest corporations are borrowing money
and if they don't hit a 5% growth target or whatever the fuck everything collapses
on them you know sort of constant state of like it like free a little a constant
state of like getting high so that we don't ever have to come down. We just keep doing the drug
and we never have to actually
realize
that we're fucked up.
We're getting sober. We don't ever get sober.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It seems like that's the path we're on now.
Maybe it's for the best.
Who knows?
We got to have a contract.
At some point in time, our economy has to contract some way.
It's been insane.
We've been on a 20-year run almost. 17-year run of like stock markets up like 500%, 600%.
It's insane.
Yeah.
So what do you think?
I mean, do you think Bitcoin has a role to play in this?
Are we ahead of the eight ball?
Is this, you know, Litecoin, Bitcoin, whatever,
are these scarce digital assets part of the key to our success?
Hmm. I don't know.
I find that thought kind of depressing just because, you know, like our kids, our grandkids will never have an opportunity to buy Bitcoin under 100,000, let's say.
Right?
Right.
So future generations are kind of screwed.
And it'll ultimately be like what...
But why?
That doesn't make any sense.
Well, how are they going to...
They're just going to be acquiring tiny amounts of Bitcoin.
Say everything is denominated in Bitcoin, right?
Is that going to be enough?
What good is Bitcoin, though?
Right.
Like, what I mean is, okay, the richest people have a bunch of Bitcoin and they want you to, I don't know, fucking give you a ride somewhere in an Uber.
And if Bitcoin is the money and it's that in high demand, you go, okay, I'll do it, but it's going to be for some Bitcoin.
And that's how you get Bitcoin.
You produce value for somebody else.
So in the beginning, will there be some rich people
that slowly distribute the money?
Sure, but Bitcoin shouldn't be worth more than like,
like if it's this accepted, I don't know, if it's the gold, if it's digital gold, what you're thinking is it replaces gold?
Is that what you think?
Or the U.S. dollar.
Okay, in what way?
Well, it's in the way that people measure their wealth, you know.
Okay.
And the way the economy is is is founded
right how infrastructure gets built how things are invested right like people
look at you know someone's Bitcoin like so okay in the States I think you guys
just passed or are passing a bill to have people legally use their crypto as collateral when taking out a mortgage.
Did you see this?
I saw it was I mean, it's obviously not a federal law.
Is it a state law or is it a federal law?
I think.
Let me pull it up here.
So the U.S. Director of Federal Housing, this is Jose that posted this.
The U.S. Director of Federal Housing, the Federal Housing Finance Agency, FHFA,
has officially submitted an order to Fannie Mac and Freddie Mac to consider crypto.
Yeah, okay.
So Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to consider crypto for mortgage qualifications.
So this would be used to validate Litecoin as an asset for mortgage approval.
Litecoin as an asset for mortgage approval.
Now, I think in this order that they submitted, one of the things, or one of the criteria is that your crypto be stored on a centralized exchange.
Right, so that they know that it's your crypto, it's tied to your person, right, you've KYC'd.
You can't like back, you know, yeah, you can't sign the transaction and back out on it, yeah.
Right, and I think it's going to be held for the term of the mortgage as well.
You can't spend it at that point.
Or if you do liquidate it.
We'll talk about this a little bit because this always comes up.
You can now use Bitcoin as collateral and blah, blah, blah.
Okay, when you're buying a house, the house is the collateral.
I'm not even understanding why the – I mean, unless it's saying –
When you go get a loan, right?
Right, they want to look at your assets versus your liabilities.
Okay, so they're just saying that it can count as one of your assets just the same as cash or whatever to get the loan.
Right.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't know.
But this is detracting from my earlier question.
Well, you said Bitcoin becomes like the U.S. dollar.
And I said in what way?
Because it's not like the U.S. dollar.
You can't spend it easily and freely
you know you can't
the government can't
print it out of thin air
you can't earn interest by having it sit in the
bank account
so what are the things that
you're meaning like
it is the money
that everybody
the lightning network becomes a success and Bitcoin is completely ubiquitous.
And you're bothered that your grandkids can't get one for under a hundred
thousand dollars,
even though dollars are no longer meaningful in this world that you're
talking about.
So I don't know what you mean.
Like under a hundred thousand being like they can't acquire a Bitcoin with a year's worth of work kind of thing?
Right.
And those Chinese aunties before giving you their blessing to marry their nieces,
they'll ask you how much Bitcoin you got.
Yeah.
So what's wrong with that?
If you're successful in work, you'll earn Bitcoin,
and so you'll have Bitcoin to show them.
Well, yeah, I'm just saying that would be the end game, right?
That's the end game for crypto.
Am I saying there's anything wrong with it?
Yeah, it's just people born later on given
that's a scarce resource will be at a huge disadvantage and you know that people who
came from a family who acquired bitcoin right when you think about how do you feel about like
growing up um did your grandpa ever say to you oh it, it's a damn shame. You get, you never got to buy gold under $30.
Did he ever say anything?
Well,
they talk about,
they talk about housing and how it's a damn shame.
You know,
I didn't get a chance to buy a house for like,
you know,
75,000.
Right.
Right.
so I guess it's the same.
Yeah,
it's the same.
Yeah, I guess. I don't. Yeah, it's the same. Yeah,
I guess.
I don't know.
I don't know.
But your grandpa doesn't say to you,
I wish you got a house for under a thousand dollars.
Yeah.
I mean,
you're talking,
I mean,
I'm not,
I mean,
I'm trying to make a little bit of a joke about this,
but you're not,
it's just an asset. If the thing doesn't do
something that's valuable to you, Bitcoin doesn't do something for you that requires that value.
It's just a marker. If it's truly money, it's just like this placeholder. And that's why it
doesn't make any sense for the price to be so ridiculously high.
If people are looking for the values of Bitcoin, the things that make it useful, like that it's censorship resistant, it's got a, you know, as much as people want to say it doesn't have any privacy, it's got a pretty good deal of privacy, right?
You don't have to rely on a government.
It can't be printed. If those things aren't worthwhile,
then it won't ever accrue to this insane value.
If those qualities are valuable,
then what will happen is it will be one of many,
just like we talked about.
People will go,
well, I'm not going to pay, you know, half a million dollars or no transaction.
I'm not going to pay $50 to go move money on Bitcoin privately and, you know, uncensorable non-government money when I can just do it on another chain.
And it's whatever, a hundredth of the price, right?
So if they see value in the things that Bitcoin does, then there are many chains that will be valuable.
And if they don't see value in it, then it will become worthless.
But we're talking about a very distant future when there is no other money.
But there are competing monies.
The dollar has proven itself to be a pretty good competitor.
Honestly.
We're getting digital money.
I saw Apple Cash today, by the way.
I had not seen an ad for that.
And you can privately send cash via
Apple did you know this I didn't know this
again I didn't know no
it's a trusted third party just like the lightning
network but ultimately you
can send peer to peer
you know
digital cash whatever you want to call it
but if there's a centralized entity that's all
that's all bitcoin becomes is apple cash
with a thick supply hey by the way i just i just saw the uh an article from coin telegraph so um
Bitcoin's hash rate dropped
15% over 15%
between June 15th
and Tuesday.
Okay.
15%.
What happened to Litecoin?
That's a good question.
It doesn't mention Litecoin.
I've got all the things.
I've got all the things pulled up.
Litecoin hashrate.
Let's see what happened.
No, it'll tell me here.
Hang on.
So are you thinking that
Bitcoin was
Iranian coin
and Litecoin is non-Iranian coin.
Yeah, it looks like it's not affected.
Let's go!
Wait, wait, wait for it, wait for it.
Wait for it!
Yeah.
Oh, man.
Now, that's a pretty big dip.
One from one Zeta hash to 650 X a hash, or thereabouts.
It's a huge dip.
Yeah, it's almost 30%.
That's crazy.
Now, it rebounded.
It's up near around
825 exahash.
Oh, really?
I don't know, man.
Yeah.
Were they mining Bitcoin like a fuck ton of it well maybe
1 8th of it
1 8th of all Bitcoin
is that about what we're talking about
almost 1 6th let's say 1 7th
1 7th of all
Bitcoin over the course of the last
decade is in Iran,
that's pretty impressive. It's more than Michael
Saylor. How do they
even power that? I guess
those nuclear power plants.
Yeah.
Man, I wish you were
following me when I was
mega chunky buns
why is that because it when i was first starting out before i even created like
underground i was making videos about this exact stuff i was like saying that when you
if you give credence to the dollar if you you believe the dollar has value, then you're always subject to those who create the dollars.
And so those who create the dollars can mine everything they want.
They'll buy all the mining equipment, they'll pay the electric, like there is no, they have a bottomless pit of money,
right? They have infinite dollars that they can go mine the resource, they can control the media,
they can do all these things. And so as long as you believe the dollar has value, as long as you
praise the dollar, which is what Bitcoin maximalists are, which is, makes it like a psyop
because it became all about the price.
So as long as it's all about the price, what you're doing is you're positioning the dollar
as the highest purpose.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
That is the thing to be attained, that dollar above all.
Nothing else matters but the dollar,
getting the biggest bang for your buck, it's the biggest ROI, it's going to a million dollars,
right? That's just been what they've talked about this entire time. Because if the dollar is peak
achievement, then the guy who prints the dollars, he's just paying people to dance,
like at a strip club, you know?
Who wants to entertain him?
He's in charge of the whole fucking thing,
and people will sell out their privacy,
they'll sell out their sovereignty,
because it's a dollar, right?
And I would be a fool not to, you know,
worship the dollar.
That's essentially what's been painted for everybody.
And so until you detach your mind that the dollar is the ultimate
achievement, then you're never going to get
out of the trap. You'll take on debt. You're going to borrow money
to buy Bitcoin. You're going to
in- indebt yourself
at the hope of making more money
because
the dollar is the money
in the mind of that person.
Michael Saylor measures his worth in dollars.
He may talk about Bitcoin,
you know what?
It's always about
a Bitcoin's going to be worth a million dollars.
A Bitcoin's going to be worth $13 million.
This is your ROI. This is the interest you earn by buying my shares of stock in U.S. dollars, paid in U.S. dollars.
He's trying to extract dollars from people.
He doesn't care about, he doesn't sell micro strategy shares in bitcoin he sells them in dollars
i don't think he's oh yeah the shares he's selling yeah in dollars you know because that's
the market he's on he's not saying you know what fuck uh the stock market fuck the u.s dollar i'm
gonna go sell shares of my company for Bitcoin. He hasn't done that.
You know?
He's hoarding all the Bitcoin.
Yeah.
No, he's not.
You're right.
It's a marketing scheme, dude.
He doesn't care about Bitcoin.
It's a marketing scheme.
He tapped into it.
He's been milking it for six years.
It's just all about the... It's the...
Like I was just talking about, it's the drug.
It's the pusher man. Like, come on, you're going to get rich. All you got to do is buy this thing.
It's first it's micro strategy. And then it's, I'm going to change the name to strategy and I'm
going to do a 10 X on the amount of shares. And then I'm going to have this other, uh,
what's the new one called? Do you know'm talking about micro or no strategy well there's
like another there's another subset of the micro strategy so there's the mstr ticker and then
there's like another one now that's like leverage top of leverage and it's like it's just a game
it's getting the next hit dude it's because the drug has to keep getting pushed into the system,
or everyone's going to wake up and go,
oh, shit, there's actually nothing happening here.
And it all collapses.
So you've got to keep the sales pitch going constantly.
Countries are going to adopt.
Samson Mao, he's going to go out, he created a company,
and he's going to go to all these countries all over the world
and get the governments to switch
to Bitcoin standards. And hasn't
done anything in four years.
Four and a half years. Because it's all
a fucking
keep, you got to keep pushing air
into the balloon. Right? You got to
keep putting water in the bucket because it's leaking.
It's all a sales pitch, man.
If Bitcoin's
amazing, why are you fucking selling it
why are you out on doing everything you can
to tell everybody the price is going to go up
why are you scaring
people into buying it
as opposed to explaining oh hey here's this
thing that does this
has this quality that's
never been done before in its entire life
and we should use
it together we should use it together.
We should subvert the government because it's awesome.
They don't do that because it's not exciting to people.
I guess not, yeah.
I've been ready.
There's definitely an aspect of Ponzonomics to it.
And yeah, I wish Sailor's pitch would be a little different.
Actually, really different.
Because definitely using it is what it was made for.
Not just hodling, right?
It's a tool made to free people from the tyranny of the bankers.
Yes.
From this unstoppable flywheel of bullshit
where they just keep printing money
you can't tell me that Michael Saylor who has a
mountain of Bitcoin apparently
can't create some sort of platform
that allows for Bitcoin
banking
like lending and borrowing interest rates
and he's not setting up
getting some banking license and lobbying
government to say we need to make this you as gold and silver in the Constitution, Bitcoin should be in the Constitution.
Nothing like that, right?
We need to have the ability to use a non-government money.
That would be a thing.
But he didn't say shit about that.
He doesn't say a goddamn word about it, dude.
No, you're right and instead he preaches about how people should uh you know die with their bitcoin and pump his bags in the process
die with your bitcoin yeah not even to not even joke of all that's the biggest joke
well i said he doesn't have kids, right? And for whatever reason.
And what's going to happen to his Bitcoin when he dies?
You know?
It's going to...
His personal Bitcoin?
Yeah, his personal Bitcoin.
Maybe he'll...
Who knows?
He may have the privilege, the luxury of not having to do that.
Give it to anybody
or donate it or
just let it burn, I guess.
Yeah, imagine.
Imagine.
I mean, it could, you know, if it happens.
Satoshi did it. Maybe he
likens himself to Satoshi.
And I find it hard to believe
he's got to do something with it.
He's not going to die with it.
I don't know.
Donate it? I'm surprised he doesn't have a family
and kids. Is he married?
Does he have a girlfriend?
What's that guy's deal anyways?
I don't know.
Last week I tried to have a conversation
about another prominent bitcoiner, and you got all uncomfortable.
Yeah, we know he's got a girlfriend, at least.
Who's that?
Jack Muller's.
Oh, he does?
I saw him with a girl.
Oh, okay.
Well, he could be just his manager or something.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.
He doesn't...
Rather, they look like they had a couple energy.
They really did.
Okay, okay.
I'll take your word for it.
I don't know maybe maybe sailors
where is this he doesn't have a family early life is he gay maybe he maybe he's gay he's a cia
a creation of the cia that's what i think he's in his company is in uh arlington virgin. It's like next door to the CIA.
Like literally.
Look up how far...
What is the home office of
Michael Saylor?
MicroStrategy, right?
what is the
location of the
CIA? Which I think is in langley langley virginia
i think it's less than two miles oh no hold on hold on hold on michael saylor is married
and they have five children no yeah he is known for being a devoted family man
uh and places great importance on his
personal life. So it looks like he is
married. Oh no wait hold on.
That's a different Michael Saylor
isn't it? That's a different Michael Saylor.
Yeah no
he was born in Lincoln Nebraska
he's never been married.
Okay. Okay.
Okay.
So back to square one.
So he's a CIA creation.
I told you.
I don't make this stuff up.
But doesn't the CIA want their agents
to have a wife and kids
as collateral
so they don't go uh and turn into double agents
oh i thought you were gonna say like because it like it you gotta tell the story right as a beard
of sorts no no no like so spies like real life spies for the the CIA, when they send them abroad to do their
double agent thing, not double agent, but to do their spy thing,
they typically choose people that have attachments at home.
Right? That are attached so they won't defect.
Right? Yeah, no, I get what you're saying.
I get what you're saying. What get what you're saying. I was misunderstanding. What I was saying is I was misunderstanding it for a different
reason. Like I
was saying you want them to, I thought you were saying it because
yeah, that the family would make them blend in more, but I hear what you're saying. You want collateral.
I got you. So, okay. So Saylor has been
quoted as saying this.
I'm a single guy.
I have no children.
When I'm gone, I'm gone.
Just like Satoshi left a million Bitcoin to the universe.
So, I'm leaving whatever I've got to the civilization.
The fuck does that mean?
The civilization?
I don't know.
I mean. I mean...
I'm trying to figure out where the CIA is located.
What's the address?
Isn't it in Boston, Massachusetts?
No, no, no, no.
Virginia.
Virginia?
Yeah.
CIA Langley, I think it is.
Yep, here we go. Come on. Langley, Virginia. Langley, I think it is. Yep, here we go.
Come on.
Langley, Virginia. Yeah.
All right.
I'm like a nerd right now.
I'm on.
I'm looking up addresses.
Let me find out.
Directions.
Good Lord.
This is bad man
why we can't get people to show up you know so it's a little bit frustrating
why don't you think people are showing up by the way honestly i don't. I posted to a bunch of chats. I posted to the MWeb chat, to the LikeCoin marketing chat.
It's six miles away.
Six miles from MicroStrategy.
That's by walking, because it looks like this is kind of a zigzaggy thing.
4.4 miles.
That's how far.
So less than five miles away.
Trust me, dude. Trust me. All right. So what were you saying? 4.4 miles that's how far so less than 5 miles away trust me dude
trust me
alright
so what were you saying?
that may be right
no just that
I mean
I posted to the
market Litecoin
chat
and people
people
are active there
not joining in there
I don't know maybe not enough Litecoin talk Or active there. Not joining in there.
I don't know.
Maybe not enough Litecoin talk.
What do you guys... Jose, what do you think?
Oh, someone requested to come up.
Shit.
Bogomas.
Hey, Bogomas.
Is he still around?
Yo, Bogomas. What's up? By the way, Bogomass
What's up?
By the way, Boggs
I thought we were
in the DMs
Are we good?
Yes, I got the DM
I haven't got the thing yet
Okay, okay
No rush, no rush
No rush, I mean, you know
I'm getting older. I'm 46.
But no rush.
You're never old for that thing, my friend.
The older you get, the better you get.
Okay.
Yeah.
What?
You understand more.
You do, yeah.
Yeah.
Because when I was a kid, all of this is like fucking stupid.
And I was like, how people do these things?
It's fucking so fucking stupid.
It doesn't make any sense.
Then I grew up, I was like, oh, I see.
Fox.
So what were you asking, Bagu Mas, animal?
Yeah, why do you think people aren't showing up?
Because Twitter is so overwhelming, dude.
That's why.
Putin?
Yeah, it could be it.
Twitter.
Twitter.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's so overwhelming.
You get in and your feed is like
fucking war, peace,
deals,
NATO.
Fucked up.
So maybe like, maybe
what, because I do, I think like
the videos, those little
two minute videos I do are
somewhat okay, but I think
having like the calm approach
animal is what
might get people engaged at some point in
time that uh if I'm gonna do like a little snippet video and I'm gonna post it doesn't
need to be all excited and animated maybe it needs to just be chill like hey here's what we're gonna
talk about this week why don't you come in and uh chime in you I mean? We want your input. Yeah, like present.
You can present different opinions on the same subject.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, we're going to be talking about this.
I don't know if I agree with it or not.
And I'm kind of hoping we get some different opinions.
Rather than like every other YouTube video promo is like,
Hey, guys, we're going to be doing this
tonight. Why don't you come in? It's going to be exciting.
Blah, blah, blah. It's undersell.
Maybe underselling is what
sticks out.
People love to teach you something.
If you play dumb
and ask dumb questions,
it kind of works.
You know what I'm saying?
Reverse psychology. It works on me all the
time oh yeah i'm a sucker for that one yeah that's what i'm saying like oh come come come and teach
me because this thing is happening i have no idea what's going on you see what i'm saying
like nato summit the nato summit what the is the five percent gdp that they asking
The NATO summit.
What the fuck is the 5% GDP?
Are they asking?
Educate me.
You know what I'm saying?
People love to teach other people.
No, you're right, man.
That's why I think the interview part of things is really probably our...
We got to keep pushing for that animal.
Yeah, even if you don't need to sit there and argue with them or disagree
or agree. It's just presenting the ideas. And like, people are too, we're all so overwhelmed.
It's hard to get good information on something like the war, right? Iran, Israel, it's like,
how are we all going to keep up with that while we're also keeping up with the housing crisis or keeping up with like environmental shit or your own personal business?
So you need someone to kind of come in and dilute, right?
Like sift through all the shit and find good information.
No, for sure.
I think obscure experts is really like a great place to go.
Like people, it's a topic that's interesting.
There's some college professor that's been studying Iran-Israel and, you know,
you create an interesting environment or an environment where they feel
comfortable coming to talk.
That'd be great to get just bland, boring information
sometimes.
Or even different information
or funny, you know what I'm saying?
Like you have a crypto guy
or something, just
have a conversation about his hobbies,
you know what I'm saying, about the video games playing
or whatever.
No, I agree. I always want to do that. I tried to do that with Charlie
when he came in. I was like,'s like what kind of music you listen to
and he's just like i don't i don't know like he didn't want to get into it you know yeah it was
like like trying to tap into a passion beyond the norm and yeah make them part of the group
like i think that's what we can do well here is like yeah they can feel welcome you know
because everybody knows about the Litecoin,
what's happening, what's going on,
you know what I'm saying?
Well, if they know the people who are involved,
I'm talking about Litecoin.
Maybe other subjects have a similarity,
you know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
You guys need to post shit,
like, all the fucking time.
There's no way you can get followers
if you don't post shit,
random shit, crazy shit.
No, I know.
Okay, go read.
I can't go to it right now.
But go to Populous Block
and look at like,
I've had two on pharmaceuticals
that I was like,
that was pretty good.
Most people are going to like that one.
I did.
And it gets like 100 views.
It's not even getting picked up well
and i'm going to point this just go 700 followers why can't i get 500 views you know
because out of 600 followers 400 are like bots uh yeah out of, 6,600 are bots, yeah. Yeah.
Perhaps.
Yeah, there's a lot of bots for sure.
What I would say, I was like, I'm no expert, right?
Just bullshit.
Like, you know, funny stuff, whatever.
No, you're right.
You're right.
On everything.
I do think the videos, I will say the videos, I think, are the best thing I can do.
Yeah.
Retweet them. And animal, You should feel comfortable making a video.
You have an idea.
It could be about your Diamond Age book.
Do something you're into.
Don't be shy about using the Populous Block thing
and going,
hey, guys, I just got done reading this book.
You should check it out or whatever, right?
Just got my fucking Nexus wallet set up and you want to make a little video and put it on there.
15, 20 seconds, two minutes, whatever.
Yeah, we should be using that as kind of a little brain dump place.
Yeah, no, I was thinking about that today like shit.
I haven't posted anything from the pop is block and fuck.
I had some inspiration
what was I thinking of to post I think it was it was a I related it must have
been a really don't over thinking when you think about it pick up your do it
yeah yes that's how I start that's how mega chunky buns became kind of like what's happening you know
is like the i yeah i got yeah i would just get inspired to make these little videos and
and like yeah i should have done one today when the people were driving like absolute idiots
this is the other thing in the south i did they do we don't do up in the north so the north you
have a funeral somebody dies and you're have the funeral
procession and everybody puts a little flag on their car i don't know if you guys have this up
there so that there's like a hundred cars and everybody drives slow and they can go through
intersections and there's not like there's some like uh consideration for this thing going on
down here they had no flags in the cars and everybody stopped like it was a um
like you know when the cops come by you're supposed to pull off to the right and stop your car
um it was like that oh really they treated the funeral procession like just random people on
the other side of the road like everybody stopped and waited for these 60 fucking cars to go by which again like
i said everybody's already moving slow down here and i'm going what planet am i on like we look at
those things and go oh yeah i mean yes we're gonna respect the procession itself but if i'm on the
other side of the road i'm going the opposite direction i'm zipping by this shit. Right. Different worlds, man.
Different worlds.
So I should have made a video today about that.
Or just, yeah, little shit we could do to make, to get some more personality.
Like you, me, and Chief, really.
Just don't take sides.
Yeah, yeah.
Don't take sides, yeah.
Yeah, don't take sides.
Well, I mean.
If you want to make fun, make fun on every side.
If you want to be serious, be serious on every side.
You know what I'm saying?
For sure.
Yeah, I think instead of serious, it's curious, right?
Like, more interested to just try to be understanding as opposed to, like,
you have to take a side to everything.
Because there are.
There's always two sides, man.
There's always two sides, man.
Yo, by the way, this Friday, I've got a little interview with Joel Valenzuela.
Nice.
Yeah, I don't know what he wants to talk to me about, but yeah, man.
It's pretty exciting.
Talk about the thing.
Get people to follow.
Yeah, definitely going to shill.
Definitely going to shill.
For sure.
No, Joel's a great guy, man.
He likes to come in.
I mean, he likes what we talk about.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's one of us.
No, definitely.
I wonder how he's doing with engagement.
If he's seeing a decline as well.
Also, memes work, eh?
Yeah, yeah.
Memes work.
Yeah, there's this whole Litecoin meme thing, dude.
They're just pumping out memes nonstop.
Fuck, I used to steal them.
Yeah, not funny that much, but you know, it is what it is.
It's engagement, though.
It's engagement.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I would say
more random shit. You don't have to be
political or crypto.
You can be random shit.
Just personal shit.
Yeah, with the popululous block, yeah.
Yeah.
Like, Jerry Seinfeld,
it's kind of a good example about everyday shit.
You know what I'm saying?
He was making fun of everyday shit.
Oh, dude.
Fucking animal.
Bogumash just fucking cracked the code.
Be Jerry Seinfeld.
Okay. Oh,eld. Okay.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
Just be one of the... Talk about nothing.
Just be as funny as the richest meeting of all time, and you'll be successful.
The idea.
You know the idea?
I'm busting your balls, Aunt Boggall.
I know what you're talking about.
He goes, we'll just be like Jerry Sinegel.
Oh, yeah.
You'd be as funny as Dave Chappelle, and you guys will be going to be a hit.
Don't worry about it.
I want to be like Eddie Murphy.
If I could choose, I'd be Eddie Murphy.
I actually watched recently the Pee Wee Herman thing on HBO.
You know the documentary?
I Am Pee Wee.
Since his incarceration?
No, Pee Wee Herman died actually.
He died?
No, he didn't go to jail.
He never even got in trouble.
All that stuff, there was a lot of stuff flung at him.
But no, he never was guilty of a crime that would put him in prison.
But it was interesting because it goes through his history in the 70s
and long before Pee Wee Herman Herman how he kind of evolved this character
and uh
that dude was funny like he was involved actually
in a lot more stuff than I realized
how did he die?
cancer he had cancer he was old
he was old as fuck yeah
he's like my parents age
damn
what did he say? he like shed a tear? damn what do you think that?
you like shed a tear?
no it was yeah it was in 2023
I didn't even realize
well go watch the documentary
it was a pretty good one
I mean I grew up that was like
I think his kids show went from
I was like 6 to 11 or 6 to 12
it was like right in my
and uh yeah I always found him funny you know was like 6 to 11 or 6 to 12. It was like right in my and
yeah, I always
found him funny.
Pee Wee's Funhouse.
Yeah.
I went to the movies and I saw
the ballerina.
Huh?
I went to the movies and I saw the ballerina.
Oh yeah?
It's like a John Wick
spin-off. Oh, is it It's like a John Wick spin-off.
Oh, is it?
Okay.
Yeah.
I didn't know that.
Lie.
That's sick.
I had a ticket, yeah.
And I was there
and John Wick was there.
I was like, what?
Fuck yeah.
Let's go.
John Wick?
Yeah, he got a
6.3.
Yeah, like a
He got a cameo.
Oh, okay.
Gotcha, gotcha.
Cameo.
He's John Wigville.
He's like from the same story.
And it was Keanu Reeves?
Yeah.
Oh, that's kind of cool.
Yeah, yeah.
Dope movie.
So that's in theaters now.
It's in theaters, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Fuck. I can't even buy tickets. It's in theaters now. It's in theaters, yeah. Fuck.
I can't even buy tickets.
It's not playing in Montreal?
Damn it.
What the hell?
Fucking crazy.
That's probably too violent.
That's probably what happened.
Too violent for you guys, yeah.
Canadians.
No, no, we got it.
We got it.
We got it.
We got it.
We got it.
Not too much is Islamic we got it not too much
is islamic
it's not too islamic
yeah
no we're very diverse
up here
for sure
yeah
but i don't think
that no
it's not going to stop the movie from playing
people might not go see it
i didn't even hear about this movie
so this takes place during the events of john wick 3. yes
yeah yeah it's pretty cool and you will see in the movie what exactly is the John Wick movie
comes along
so would you recommend
watching the third one if you haven't already
seen it before seeing this one
yeah I think so
okay
I think it's in the end yeah
okay okay okay yeah I'm gonna check it out I think it's in the end, yeah.
Okay, okay, okay.
Yeah, I'm going to check it out.
It looks cool.
That was a cool thing that I did last week.
I'm going to do a movie.
Not fun.
Are you reading any good books?
Do you read books, Bakamas?
Yeah.
Yes, I'm reading a really good one.
How the Scots built the West.
How built the West.
And it talks about the Scottish
alignment, Smith,
and all these guys about
economics.
It's pretty dope.
The Scots are fucking insane.
The Scouts? The Scots from Scotland. Scots. Okay. I can't tell you how the book is because I'm
living on my lead bag. Give me one second. Come on.
Wait, I see it here.
How the Scots invented the modern world?
Is that it?
Yeah. Interesting. I read the Do Android Dream of Electric Tube.
Oh yeah, it's Blade Runner.
Yeah.
I fucking love that.
Nice.
Yeah.
I haven't read that one.
I saw the movie, obviously.
But I'm reading a pretty interesting book about necromancers
in space.
In space?
Yeah.
Lesbian necromancers.
If you're going to be
a necrophilia, you have to necromancer them
first. Get it?
Yeah.
Necromancer them first.
You've got to have necro-romance
before you have necophilia.
Yeah.
Necromancing leads to necrophilia.
Okay.
Anyway, go on.
No, it's lesbian
necromancers in space. It's pretty good.
That's the best
1970s horror movie. 1960s horror movie.
Necromancers in Space.
Necromancers in Space.
Yeah.
Well, that was the hook for me.
Someone was telling me about this book.
I was like, oh, yeah.
Okay, I'll check it out.
It's actually not bad.
Not too long. I listen to books like I go on these these walks every day and so that's when I listen to
these books and I like a good book that I can you know fuck you go for like an
hour walk every day you're done you're done a book in like two weeks you know yeah so you
want something they could sink your teeth into the Diamond Age yeah yeah
did you guys ever read the the culture series are you familiar with this the
culture no E&M banks no okay there's another one of those space opera things unfortunately the author
he produced like nine books um and he died of cancer before opera space opera yeah okay yeah
it's like this this story about the civilization and, and over the course of the nine books,
it goes tens of thousands of years, right?
And whatever.
Unfortunately, the guy did pass away before he could finish it,
but so much of this book,
it takes place in a post-scarcity civilization, right?
So AIs are in charge, they're governing the galaxy
and people actually live
lives of opulence
if they want.
Or if they want,
they can pursue specific careers
that are, you know,
like, anyways,
it's pretty cool.
But yeah,
a lot of people,
like Elon Musk refers to this book refers to these books rather quite frequently when he talks about AI.
And, like, the, I guess, the optimistic outcome of it.
I don't know.
Have you ever heard of the book, I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream?
I think you just talked about that last week.
Okay, well that's
the pessimistic outlook.
I don't recommend reading it because it'll give you fucking nightmares.
Seriously.
It's like a horror thing.
I regret reading it.
I don't think I need it to know what the fuck the worst...
What?
It's crazy you're that bothered by it.
Yeah, dude.
I mean, read it and you tell me.
It's kind of like the Necronomicon, you know?
You just told me not to read it, though.
Yeah, I wouldn't.
You know about the Necronomicon, right?
Oh, Jesus. You're necrophilia again. That's after the necronomicon, right? Oh, Jesus.
Necrophilia again.
That's after the necrophilia.
When you pave them, you know.
When you pave them.
Necronomics.
I think that's necronomics.
Necronomics.
No, it's...
Was it the whole fucking...
Was it Audius Huxley?
The whole...
Oh, my God. It was a concrete jungle, wasn't it? Cthulhu. Was it the whole fucking... Was it Audius Huxley? The whole...
Oh my god.
It was a concrete jungle, wasn't it?
Cthulhu.
No, it wasn't Aldous Huxley that...
No, that was Upton Singh.
Wait, wait.
No, no, you're right.
Aldous Huxley was...
What?
What was he?
Catch-22 or something?
Cthulhu?
What is this?
The Call of Cthulhu?
No, no, it's H.P. Lovecraft.
What am I talking about? H.P. Lovecraft.
Jesus.
Okay. That's a pseudonym
if I've ever heard one.
The Call of Cthulhu.
Yeah, so The Call of Cthulhu is like this demon, right?
And if you read this book, The Necronomicon,
you go mad within a month
and kill yourself or die
isn't that like the notebook uh the notebook or like death note like death note yeah yeah kind of
not really death notes like when someone wrote the name of the book that person would die
but this is this kind of different.
If you read this book, it drives you mad
because you start to
the cracks in the universe and
you realize that maybe there's a demon controlling
everything.
There's another book like that.
What's it called? The Communist Manifesto?
Yeah, maybe.
Yeah, right.
It's a real right book, you know?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But anyways,
so it's kind of like that.
It's not that bad, obviously,
but look, if you do read it,
it's the most dystopic
possible outcome
for a world governed by AIs.
I'll ruin it for you.
Basically, there's three main world powers.
You have Europa.
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Shouldn't you have to get your content before doing something like that?
You're going to ruin it for somebody without me saying,
hey, do you mind if I ruin this for you?
Do you want to read it?
You should.
The color of the tulu?
No, no.
I have no mouth and I must scream.
How long is it?
It's short.
It's a very short story.
Let me check it.
I want to read that.
Yeah, let me know what you think.
Is it free?
I have a copy.
I can give it to you.
I can send it to you.
Oh, no.
I mean, you know.
There's probably a place somewhere to get the text, you know.
It's like 19 hours.
19 hours?
Yeah.
Harlan Ellison, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm going to have it in six weeks.
19 hours?
What?
I have no mouth and I might scream.
I think...
I think Animal got some sort of...
Like children's version. You know what I'm saying?
It's a short story.
I got it.
There's an application.
It's called Libby.
You go to your local, to your city
library
and you get a card and you put a card there You go to your local, to your city... I got it right now. Library.
Library.
And you get a card, and you put a card there,
and you read all the electronic books that they have.
Yeah.
So does it start out about limp, the body of Gorister,
hung from the pink palette, unsupported? Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, the whole text of it is on this right here.
It's 11 pages.
Yeah. No, so it's short stories.
I have a good read if you guys are interested.
Do you guys know the comedian Joey Diaz?
Yeah.
Joey Diaz? Yeah.
He's on the Joe Rogan show, yeah?
Yeah, he has a book.
It's a pretty interesting story. Funny
and humane.
It's a good read or a good
listen. And he's the one
talking. He's kind of funny and his voice
is kind of
unique.
Is it called
Tremendous? Tremendous, yeah.
It's pretty short.
That's good.
Like six hours or something, seven hours.
I'll pick it up.
I got credits.
Yeah, it's pretty good.
And the other one, I don't know if you guys have heard it.
It's pretty famous.
Man's Search for Meaning.
Can you say that again?
Man's Search for Meaning.
Manster? Man. Or Menster? Man's. Man's search for meaning. For World War II, there's a Jewish in in auschwitz and it's insane
i'll check it out yo have you uh did i tell you about the orphan master's son
who is that i don't know no that the orphan master's son is the name of the book
it's about this uh north korean it's North Korean... Basically, it's like a...
It's like a look into life of North Korea.
I've read that girl that is here.
Yaomi Park.
She has two books.
Yes.
I read both of those books.
The second one is fucking insane.
Yeah, she's got a crazy story.
I was driving and crying. Really? Yeah. Insane. Yeah, she's got a crazy story.
I was driving and crying.
Really?
Yeah.
I should check her out, too.
Yeah, North Korea is a trip, man.
Fuck.
The stuff that she went through to get out,
and how lucky she is to be alive and to have made it.
They think that we eat people here.
Yeah.
We're literally cannibals.
They think that we're literally cannibals.
Yeah.
No, the whole thing with the Ortho Master's son is like this dude just survives and
it's just because he can talk.
He was a smart dude, but like as well. He was a smart
dude, but like, fuck.
He was able to play to the party,
you know, and
work his way up the upper echelons.
It's a fictional
story, but like the author
interviewed a bunch of people
that defected or that escaped North Korea.
So the stuff
is pretty accurate in there.
Apparently.
Cool, so I got a bunch of books now.
And what else?
What about
Murder and Punishment?
Crime and Punishment.
Crime and Punishment, Sonic.
Dostoyevsky.
It's pretty good.
I read that a long time ago.
I should probably go back and read it again.
I don't read many books.
I did read that one.
What is that about?
Crime and Punishment.
More like the internal
struggle of
the guilt of a man?
Yeah. What was his name?
Mishka?
No, Dostoevsky's the writer.
Yeah, it's really good.
It's really good.
Check it out.
I heard about that book. I'm going to add to that one too.
It's a classic, yeah.
It's a classic. yeah. It's a classic.
20 hours? Jeez, Louise. Okay.
It's a story, though.
And it really takes you to the 18th century Russia or something.
Ukraine or whatever.
same shit
Same shit.
so Dostoevsky studies the psychological
impact upon a desperate
and impoverished student
when he murders a despicable pawnbroker
Ditka
Ditka
what's a pawnbroker?
like a pawn shop
you know what a pawn shop is?
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, people who run the pawn shop.
Yeah, the broker.
A person who lends money at interest
on the security of an article pond.
So this is like, yeah, a loan shark.
Oh, yeah, just somebody who runs a pawn shop.
Yeah, a broker is just like a salesman, maybe,
who's a budget or something.
Yeah.
That's my book.
A money lender, yeah.
That's your book?
My book recommendation for this week.
Okay.
Well, I got three from you already. You could also do a book club, you know? my book recommendation for this week. Okay.
Well, I got three from here already.
You guys could,
you could also do
a book club,
you know?
Oh my God.
What is,
what are we doing here?
What are we doing here,
guys?
Book club?
I mean,
everything.
You can do everything.
It's everything up,
so you can do everything.
No, no,
I know,
I know.
I know,
it's just, honestly, we've been busy, can do everything. No, no, I know.
Honestly, we've been busy.
Look, I'm not worried about it.
Crypto's in a bad spot.
I mean, crypto's there.
We're just going to be the different thing. But you know what?
Dude, personally,
when we first started talking, I was listening to podcasts
fucking all the time.
Crypto podcasts, money podcasts,
whatever, political podcasts.
I've stopped.
I've not listened to any podcasts
for months.
I think in the last
couple months, I've started to become disinterested
as well. Dude, only Joe Rogan
or podcasts about UFOs
shit like that.
Everything else is trash. Politics is trash.
News is trash.
Only conversation.
Interesting conversation.
That's it.
Yeah, it's...
Yeah.
What do you guys think about the situation?
What do you guys think about the situation?
With Iran?
Iran, Israel, NATO. Yeah. What do you guys think about the situation? With Iran?
Iran, Israel, NATO.
Yeah.
I think it's fucked.
I think...
Look, I just hope it doesn't escalate.
Because there's fucking...
I guess I'm old enough not to be enlisted there.
But if I were a young man, I would not want to go fight for Israel.
My two cents.
Yeah.
Who wants to fight?
You would.
Yeah.
And for what?
For land.
You know, if someone's coming to invade, obviously I'll defend whatever.
you know if if it yeah if someone's coming to invade obviously like i'll defend whatever but um
yeah that i don't like i don't see them as fighting for a noble cause at all
yeah well yeah but it looks like i will say it looks like, I will say,
it looks like they did have a pretty successful mission there.
And my only hope is that, you know,
they did such a good job that they won't be able to retaliate
and that it just stops, you know?
They did a good job yeah it looks
like it yeah for them to come to the table and and negotiate peace they did
a good job yeah what do you think about it I think what they do is fucking insane.
You talking to me?
You talking to me?
You talking to me?
What's your opinion on it, dude?
Me or... Underground.
Underground.
On the war?
Yeah, on what happened
the last week in Iran.
On the war?
What a gay.
What a gay.
Yeah.
Do you see that meme fuck where they,
was it the Secretary of Defense or
Secretary of State or something? Was it Mike Pompeo
was whispering in Trump's ear?
And the quote is like sir they're saying war's gay he's like oh shit that's a good tactic actually you know I think it would work yeah
it's like do you think there's people that like they they know they're being played
like I know
that the gay thing is just a
ruse to give me to not support this
but I can't help myself
you know
I can't give in to the gayness
I can't
we must hold the line
yes yes to our own
detriment to our own demise, even.
But, uh...
Alright, hey, man, I think, you know, I'm about ready
to wrap it up. I gotta get to sleep.
But, uh, you can keep it going.
Yeah, same.
No, it's 11 o'clock past my bedtime.
I got a meeting in the morning.
Alright.
Gotta be good.
Next week, I'm gonna be on vacation vacation but i think i'm still planning on
doing this from the nice cool northern michigan but i will be on i won't be able to do the video
thing again but uh maybe you guys can practice um all right you take you taking the family out
there with you yeah i hope so you think i'm running away sick yeah yeah my family and then the
week after that is when we're gonna have the interview with the AI school guy
the alpha school guy yes go sweet I'll that. I'm going to pick his brain.
Yeah, see if he's read any cool books.
Yeah, it'd be cool if you read The Diamond Age before that.
I might listen to it.
I might.
18 and a half hours?
Yeah.
Yeah, it's quite a bit.
If you're driving, I think it'll make your drive faster.
But, yeah.
Okay, I'm intrigued.
Because I walk my dog every day too, so
like 18 hours, yeah, it doesn't take very long.
Right, yeah.
Go ahead, man.
It gets good.
It really is interesting.
Okay. Cool, guys.
See you guys later.
Take it easy.
Bye.
Ciao. it easier.
