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The Superchain Playbook: How Events & Meetups Accelerate Web3 Adoption
Recorded: May 7, 2025 Duration: 1:03:18Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic discussion, industry leaders explored the pivotal role of events in driving Web3 adoption, highlighted innovative project launches like Ancient8's Ethereum layer 2 and Arcus Champion, and emphasized the importance of strategic partnerships in expanding user reach. The conversation also touched on the rapid growth of Southeast Asian builders and the effectiveness of hackathons in nurturing new talent in the crypto space.
Full Transcription
ใ่ฆ่ดใใใใจใใใใใพใใ Thank you. Music Thank you. Music Thank you. Thank you. GM, GM, how's everyone doing?
We've got another Wednesday here, Adam, right here.
Super excited, particularly today,
because this is not one of those topics
where we talk about Web3 Gaming in general,
like we have the Gaming on the Edge group, the Builders group, where you're all in there
and you join us on our weekly Twitter spaces. This is like something different. This is something,
and that is what I'm particularly excited about. Today, we're going to talk about our super chain,
something, our ecosystem, which is like we're building on our super chain
for those of you who don't know what optimism super chain is i'll just give you a brief intro
and then we'll go with our personal intros and of course why we're doing this and everything
everything we're going to talk about a lot of things today we have got some of our like regular
speakers where we know Earth from another
sun. We've got Mr. Console. I'll also bring you up. I know you requested as a speaker.
We also got some of our new guests who are actually part of the Superchain ecosystem or
building on the Superchain ecosystem. So obviously, we'd love to know you guys,
what you guys are building. We have already connected before um but yeah um i would like you guys to know each other as well
and also add each other um request you got you guys to follow each other give each other a follow
and obviously if you can help us you know massage the algorithm just share this twitter space on on
on the timeline if it's possible.
And let's kick things off.
Yeah, so where I was, yeah, I was at Optimism Superchain.
For those of you who don't know what it is, it's a network of interconnected L2s built on the OP stack.
Obviously, it's designed to enhance the EVM scalability, interoperability, and decentralization.
But the most important thing is, I think, it's security.
And also, unlike other L2s, it unifies the multiple OP chains, like OP Mainnet, Base, or Zora, into a cohesive system with shared governance, security, and a communication layer. So that means it eliminates the need for traditional bridging and reducing the fragmentation.
So obviously I wouldn't go into details. You can check that out on the Superchain ecosystem.
But today we're going to talk about how events and meetups accelerate Web3 adoption. Obviously, some of you who attended Dubai Token 2049,
I would love to hear your thoughts, how it was and how you felt like.
And then particularly, I would like to know,
let's all of us be brutally honest here.
Let's talk about what we like about those conferences, what we dislike.
Let's say we are sponsoring some.
And if I'm honest with you, not all of those sponsorships go well.
You know, some of them we don't get the desired results.
But yeah, we make connections.
We build connections.
We meet new people.
That's not the only thing that we have desired, but obviously,
we'll take that. And we're going to be brutally honest on all these, we're going to touch on all
these points, and how we can make the most of it. And should we be sponsoring the future events and
how to like, you know, bring the best results out of it. I'm not just talking about particularly ROI,
but we can also, you know, discuss things like
what other ways we can bring value and provide value
to the attendees and for our ecosystem.
So yeah, let's get this started.
For those of you who don't know me, my name is Ronald.
I'm head of PDD at Ancient8.
We are building an Ethereum layer 2, an OP stack, also part of the Supergen ecosystem. Obviously,
that's what we are all here for. And I've been in the space for a few years now, and at Ancient8
particularly for about two years. I love being here part of the team. I've even spoken to lots of builders who
are building on directly on our chain and also part of the OPEs ecosystem. We also have some
partners of our products like space3.gg which we built from ground up. We have our gaming guild.
We have our content creators. We're also building cooking a lot of things outside of the Superchain ecosystem, but we're going to talk about that later on.
We'll focus on this first.
I'll drop some alphas at the end of the space.
Yeah, so let's kick things off with some intros first, and then we'll go on and then start what we can talk about and then the space from now.
start, what we can talk about, and then the space from that.
We'll start off with the panelists who have joined as a part of the Superchain ecosystem,
and then we'll go on to our regular speakers who always support us in every week in, week
out.
To my right, I see binary holdings.
Who do we have in the account?
Hey, can you hear me?
Absolutely loud and clear, man.
Go ahead.
So yeah, hi.
Hi, everyone.
I'm DK.
I am the VP of Marketing at the Binary Holdings.
What we're basically doing
and what we're basically building...
Wait, am I allowed to go into that yet?
Or do you want me to save it?
Oh, no, go for it, man.
Go for it, absolutely.
It's an intro, so go for it.
Yeah.
Sweet.
So, okay, the Binary Holdings builds Web3 distribution infrastructure,
which is a very fancy way of saying that we put decentralized apps
in telecommunication and banking apps to power their loyalty programs.
So what we've done is we've embedded a, let's just
call it a decentralized app play store. When a user visits the telco app to pay their phone
bills or buy some internet, he or she sees a widget that says earn or lifestyle. And once he
clicks or he or she clicks in it, they enter basically our play store, which is full of dApps.
The end user...
Rugged. Yeah. Did you get rugged?
No, no, I didn't get rugged.
Yeah, okay, all good now.
Where did I lose you guys?
It cut off for like the last 15 seconds.
Oh, damn.
Okay, I'll make this super short.
So we basically built a solution that puts dApps inside telecommunication apps. When a user visits the telco app to kind of pay their bills, he or she sees a widget that says earn a lifestyle, they enter, they see an interface with a bunch of apps on it, which are actually dApps. They engage with these dApps.
And therefore, they earn the binary token, which they can use like a loyalty point within these telco or banking ecosystems to buy like real life stuff like e-commerce coupons or, you know, get discounts on Agoda and so on and so forth.
So currently, our solution is basically two of the largest telcos in Southeast Asia, one in Indonesia and the other in globe, which basically gives any of our dApps integrated within or with our solution access to over 150 million people.
So that's the long and short of it.
Thank you, guys.
Yeah, I love it, man. I mean i know you guys obviously we have spoken before
um yeah thanks for sharing and obviously all of you guys should uh you know support each other
give each other a follow and if you want to connect with um binary holdings happy to get
you guys connected as well uh next we'll to Arcus, who's behind that account today.
Hey, guys.
Really great to be on this space with you guys.
And I'm Zee.
I'm basically in charge of the marketing and BD side of things for Arcus.
So, yep, happy to be on this space with you guys.
This is actually not our first time.
It has been a couple of times already.
And we have been connected with Ancient8,
even met you guys during last year's Singapore 2049,
token 2049, right?
It was great.
So, a little bit about ourselves.
We are, essentially essentially Arcus Game.
It's a gaming studio which is backed by Yeezy Lab and also incubated by Sonium.
And we have our gaming title which is called Arcus Champion.
It will be our very first gaming title.
Essentially, it's an action-packed third-person shooter set on Ape Homework
featuring story, co-op
and multiplayer competitive
modes for countless hours of fun
So players are empowered
to vote, which means the governance
within the game itself, through our
protocol which is called Skill Staking
which allows our token holders
to stake on players
and allowing the token holders to actually on players and allowing the token holders to
actually earn yield based on the players mmr or in-game in-game ramp so the we are multi-chain
across bnb chain and sodium chain and and yeah happy to actually share uh share more on like
today's uh ama insights and stuff so yep thank you so much. Yeah, awesome, man.
Yeah, we've seen you on a couple of spaces before.
We'd love to also know your thoughts
on how you feel like building on Sony
and being part of the super chain.
We've got, who else?
We've got Dry Tuga.
He's a chief bird officer at Songbirds.
Okay.
Can we hear you, Troy?
Yeah, GM, GM.
Check in.
Can you hear me?
Yeah, absolutely.
Loud and clear, man.
Cool.
Yeah, thanks for having me on.
Really happy to be here.
I know this is my first time with all of you guys, but, yeah, I appreciate the invite.
Yeah, so I'm director to Songbirds
my titles kind of tongue-in-cheek because it's just me it's like kind of a one-man project for
now but yeah Songbirds is a on-chain bird watching game built on base and I launched April of last
year so we've been on base for a little bit over a year now but yeah basically the goal is to bring
bird watching onto base in kind of a fun way. So yeah, the game kind of centers around a 10k NFT collection, where each item in the
collection represents a bird.
And in order to mint the NFT, you have to correctly identify what the species of the
bird is from a few options that you choose from.
So you use the image and each NFT also has a a song of the bird and then when you mint it you
got to submit an on-chain transaction proving that you've correctly identified the species for
the bird um and then we have some other kind of games built around um the the pfps and and the
audio um that are kind of more free to play um so not everyone necessarily needs to you know mint an
nft and pay a little bit of eats you can also kind of interact with the content um in different ways and i'm building
that out more so that um yeah people who don't want to you know aren't fully on chain yet can
still interact with with the content that's awesome man i think that's the first one um
the bird watching game that i'm i'm definitely hearing for the first time.
Until now, I haven't played or heard of anyone.
I think you're building something nice.
We'll check it out.
Definitely check it out.
And you're building on base, obviously.
The gas fee would be relatively lower.
Then we've got Hustle Hat.
Yeah.
Posse Studio.
Can you hear me, mate?
Because I know you mentioned you were getting rugged.
Yeah.
Rugged.
Still not able to hear you.
Can anyone hear hustle
how to listen the speaker list now
no I think he got yeah he's getting run right so we'll go to the next one. Then we've got Soulbound. Yeah, who have you got in this account?
Hey, hey.
Yeah, so this is Marcello.
Nice to see you guys.
I've been here.
It's been a minute since I've been on the H&A Spaces.
But, yeah, today we're representing Soulbound,
currently the head of spaces here.
For those that don't know what Soulbound is,
we are a next-generation television.
We're doing a lot of cool stuff with live streaming.
We're really leveling it up
from traditional streaming platforms
where we're integrating AI agents.
We've got some prediction markets.
We've got a bunch of different features
for content creators,
like our party mode coming up very soon.
We're gonna have a telegram app,
lots of cool stuff coming,
as well as a TG coming up very soon.
But yeah, no, super excited with what we're building here.
Very bullish on the future of streaming.
Obviously, it's Marchell speak for saying that.
But yeah, no, super happy to be here guys
and excited for the topic.
I think how events and meetups accelerate web free adoption
is a very great topic to discuss
and I'm excited to get into it so thank you so much for having us guys.
Yeah equally excited Marcello and obviously you have been around for so long time and
and those of you don't know Marcello he's doing everything he's doing everything he's a content
creator he's a shoutcaster he's a he does
x spaces uh i mean there's nothing that i can think of that he doesn't do so if you guys know
that anything that he doesn't do just let me know i would love to know as well um welcome to the
space again um and then obviously from a different uh project that i'm in soulbound i know obviously
we know soulbound very well you guys started off as a more like a questing platform. You did so many things after that. You made it
like more creator-centric later on with the Twitch streaming, adding in there. But yeah,
love it, love it, like what you're doing and would like to, you know, support in any shape or form if we can with your TG as well.
Yeah, are we left with anyone else?
Yeah, we got Console and then Shiv and Hustle.
Let's see if Hustle is back.
Can you hear me?
Can you guys hear me now?
Yeah.
Awesome.
Well, first off, it's a pleasure to be here.
Thank you so much for your time.
Normally, it's been a while. I usually do spaces on our other account,
and I'll do like a quick introduction on myself just to give you an idea, and then we can go from
there. So my name's Chris, aka Hustle Hat. I've been in the industry for about, I'll tell you,
almost 10 years now. I was an early doge holder. I was an angel investor. I worked with numerous different projects.
I was the former CMO and also CRO over at CryptoSlam. We raised about $13 million,
worked with Mark Cuban, founder of LinkedIn, Reid Hoffman, Sound Ventures, you name it.
Animoca, it was a really great time. 2018 was an interesting era. You know, jumped back in really heavily in 17
because I first jumped in in 2014.
A friend of mine sent me the Ethereum light paper
and I was like, oh, let's check it out.
And then, you know, after a while, Tezos launched.
You remember the whole ICO craze
and the fall and rise of everything.
So, you know, through the years,
started building with a couple different,
you know, companies behind the scenes.
And then finally we realized after, you know, the bear market set in, the Luna crash, we were like,
you know what? I think this is the opportunity where we can really build something. I'm an AI
research engineer right now for a university as well. Our CTO, Nick St. Germain, he originally
worked at EA Games. So we decided to start a game studio. And we were like, you know what? We want
to push the boundaries of not just artificial intelligence and gaming but also blockchain where it makes
sense right because the truth is blockchain really was the solution nobody asked for you know you
have zero authentications you have billions of dollars and trillions and transactions and visa
and seconds so we really wanted to find where it fit so for us
you know ultimately you can look at us as epic games kind of we have a marketplace that's cross
chain we're currently working very closely with sonium as a multitude of different other chains
as well potentially immutable working with brave browser you know a couple other guys that are
pretty well known so for us we have our marketplace, which you'll be
able to buy, sell, and create not only digital assets on-chain, but also off-chain. Then we
also have an AI engine we've developed. You'll be able to launch AI agents in the form of on-chain
and off-chain things. So for example, maybe NFT, maybe tokens, but also our 3D modeling. So we're
working on a system now where through prompt you can create 3d models and
this cuts the dev time in half for guys that are 3d designers so imagine you're on the marketplace
you create a 3d design because we think content creators are the future so if you create let's
say a chair and you want to list that for sale on a marketplace that's something that we think you
should be able to do and then finally we have our two games one is a mobile which we're you should be able to do. And then finally, we have our two games. One is a mobile, which we're going to be shortly releasing.
We didn't TGE yet, which is something that we're in discussions now
in the middle of our seed round.
And then also we have an open world game
that's kind of like Rust meets Red Dead Redemption.
It's a survival game, and essentially it's all Wild Western theme.
And that's basically it.
So thank you so much for having me up here today
thank you so much for coming here chris uh i always say it's your first um space that you
attended um for us uh with us i would say and um i know i know that you've already spoken to some of
our team members i think justin or nick um and they spoke very highly of you and i can see that why um you are definitely an og in the space and like i was
just uh you know talking about like me being pretty quiet yeah if you look at my profile
people say to me all the time because i don't normally use this profile like i'm more of an
anon type of guy so now that i've kind of applied docs kyc i'm kind of like Anon type of guy. So now that I've kind of been on Docs, KYC,
I'm kind of like, you know,
working with the guys for the Killer Whale show potentially now.
So it's funny.
It's like now I'm finally kind of out there.
So for the first time, it's interesting.
Yeah, man.
Yeah.
I was just thinking like, you know,
I've been in the space for like a few years now
and I feel like it's been forever.
And now I hear like someone being there for 10 years and oh my god okay we've got I think we've
got some quick intros let's let's do it guys and then we'll go directly dive in directly into the
into the conversation we've got console and and Shiv go ahead guys console first yeah for sure let me make this real quick because i want to get into
this very special title i want to be the devil's advocate today mr ron if you'll allow me towards
events which are so loved by the space so real quick i'm Console, I'm the community lead over at Bigger Arcade.
Bigger Arcade is a web browser slash telegram game platform for mini game experiences which you can own as an asset.
It's all themed on you pay to play, that contributes to the liquidity pool then you compete over ownership
of this liquidity pool that's gonna be my very very very quick introduction can't wait to get
into the topic buddy and happy to be here after what seems like 10 years time in web 3 goes very
very fast so i'm happy to be here.
Yeah, man, equally excited.
And yeah, I needed a devil's advocate, honestly.
We need someone who can provoke us or test the strength of our arguments.
Yeah, love to have you here, man, as always.
The last one we got, Shiv, yeah.
Can you hear me shift
yes of course how's it going guys i know the intros have taken a good amount of time so i won't take much further my name is shiv if you don't know me by now i'm on these spaces pretty
much whenever i can be i'm the head of bd at efast or earth from another sun we are a base building
fps game with roguelite elements where you can
command your own totalitarian state in humanity's darkest hour. With that, Ronald, kick us off,
please. Oh, love it. Love it. Thanks. Thanks, guys. And thank you for being here today.
Right. Let's dive in. We'll talk about, let's say, what makes Southeast Asia particularly
responsive to crypto Web3 events?
In your experience, it can be positive.
It can be negative.
So like I said before the space, we are here to talk the nitty gritty.
We're going to be really transparent.
We're going to be brutally honest with everything that we have been seeing and share our opinion.
OK, so it can be don't
don't be afraid to be critical you can be critical today so yeah I'll give our new
new speakers chance obviously I'm not saying that you guys are not good but we'll try to bring you
give chance to everyone but but yeah uh definitely definitely prioritize the
new co-host because we would love to have them um you know more often go ahead chris yeah no problem
so just to frame the question correctly i want to make sure just say that one more time because i
think i understand what you're saying um yeah we're going to talk about like super chain playbook right so it's southeast asia
adoption in southeast asia yeah so how yeah cool why so why is that area such a big deal right now
well there's a multitude of different reasons i appreciate the fact that you guys get down to the
nitty-gritty um typical new yorker jersey guy so you know we kind of wear a heart on our sleeve
i'm out actually by princeton right now but be honest with you, it's a multitude of different reasons and I'll list them. So one being regulations, right? To break into a U.S. market, to be quite honest with you, not only are you facing regulations, but it's also a lot more expensive, the demographic you're in, to break into that market, it's fierce.
It's not only fierce because you're competing with tech companies in the Silicon Valley-esque type of fashion, but you're also competing already in a niche that's still developing and growing.
And the reality is, in the APAC region, a lot of people can just, you know, to be quite frank, they can squeeze their way around all that.
Right. They can get around regulations. They can push volume.
It's also a different type of audience.
It's very much a volume game out there, more as opposed as it is finding certain whales, because oftentimes whales are the ones that hold up an entire deck.
Like a lot of people don't know this, but it's usually a couple of different people behind the scenes.
but it's usually a couple of different people behind the scenes. It's very Kabali. It's really
It's very Kabbali. It's really much who you know.
much who you know. And in the APEC region, it's also very different with VC too, because they're
more risk averse. So the reality is, is if you went to token or you went anywhere, you'll realize
a lot of the VCs that you talk to, the current state of the landscape is it's pretty bad.
A lot of hedge funds are moving in because they see the opportunity to take over where VCs have kind of dropped the ball. Because in 2021, for everyone that remembers, when the market crashed,
it really was the fact that people wrote too many checks and they couldn't hit the term sheets.
So when people couldn't hit the term sheets, obviously they couldn't re-raise. And then a
lot of VCs went into safe mode and they started basically just, know putting their lps and everything into like
bitcoin basically safe stuff you know acting like hedge funds and a lot of those lps eventually
investors were like well wait a minute well i might as well just go put my money in the regular
market and now hedge funds see the opportunity and they're like well hey here's some etfs here's
this that and that so there's real tension going on right now because there's, you know, everyone's waiting
for a bull that just may not come in the way that we're used to seeing it.
So now capital needs to be deployed.
In Asia, it's a little bit different, right?
They already have the network.
They have, you know, the KJN and Baccarat, all these different farms where people just
kind of just farming the shit out of everybody right
now and that's really what it is i mean it's a lot of bots it's a lot of uh pump and dump volume
the truth is is finding real users is it's not easy like we're trapped in a in a tvl cycle where
right now there's a lack of right and people are kind of chain hopping so you saw that with blast
you saw that with scroll and more than likely you're going to see that with monad um and that's just the truth it's going to be interesting to see
what lucanets is you know capable of doing and pulling off um you know seeing what's going on
with abstract but the reality is is apac at the end of the day it's not to say that it's sleazy
it's not to say that it's just a mindset. It's a different culture. So the reality is they do operate differently.
And there is some nepotism.
I'll be forward.
When you want to work with certain organizations, they're very focused on maybe hitting that region because that's where their connections are.
The time zone differences, the culture differences, nobody talks about it, but it does play a role, right?
Nobody talks about it, but it does play a role, right?
Like if Western companies are looking to break into an Eastern market or an Eastern company is looking to break into a Western market, there's always going to be something there, right?
There's always going to be barriers to overcome.
I don't think it's anything personal.
I think it's just business.
But it is something that people avoid and don't talk about.
But anyway, yeah, I'll just stop there.
I'll give you that because there's so much more.
This is a very in-depth topic.
No, I agree with you, man. Definitely. I mean, it's not just about those points that you touched,
but also I think VCs in general, they have slowed down a bit. They're not investing aggressively,
just throwing money at anyone and everyone like they're used to.
They're being very prudent at this point of time.
And also, I would say Southeast Asia in general, like the builders or even the founders,
they're very aggressive in what they're building.
Aggressive in a way, I mean, they transition very easily. And also,
depending on the market conditions, they adapt to that really, really fast. Some of them slow
down, of course, but then that's sadly the end of the story, the end of the product or the project.
But yeah, in general, it's what I have seen in Southeast Asia
in building alongside other ecosystems, other builders in the space.
They transition very fast, really fast.
They adapt very well to the market conditions.
I'd love to hear others' opinions as well.
Binary Holdings, yeah, I know you have another meeting.
You send a DM to me. I'll know you have another meeting you you send a dm to me i'll
let you speak first bro thank you yeah no i i think the question you asked about why events are
so nicely received i guess in asia yeah it was but because uh chris was mentioning about like
southeast asia in general about building and investing.
So that's why I went back. Yeah, go ahead. Go ahead. Show your opinion.
So just for some context, I was born and brought up in Thailand.
I've been in Asia, Southeast Asia, pretty much my entire life.
And since about 2020, I've been holding events, crypto related events, like every month uh at least in in thailand
and singapore um what i've seen that separates asia from i guess the rest of the world and let's just
even narrow down to southeast asia is the fact that everyone's kind of a hustler like the builders
here will show up just so you you know, they can make those
networks and they can get capital, even if there's a super like flight opportunity.
On the other hand, the actual retail market is also like kind of born and bred with that
mentality that they kind of have to make it out of the trenches.
Now, I'm not saying everyone's like that, but at least the people who attend my events,
this is the insight I've gleaned.
And I think you were spot on in terms of
how quickly people pivot.
There was a guy who came to my event,
basically who was building a gaming protocol,
last bull market.
I guess we all know how that turned out.
Following that, he attended a bunch of my events and suddenly he was doing AI agent stuff. So I guess it's just that willingness to do
whatever it takes that makes Asia like super receptive to events. On the retail side, it's a
willingness to learn, right? I mean, at the end of the day, I guess crypto is like still a speculative kind of asset.
And I think, you know, that is going to change, you know, hopefully soon.
But this is kind of the way out.
And a lot of, I would say, like younger kids definitely kind of subscribe to that belief
and therefore try to get any insight that they can from every event that's kind of being held. So that's just a perspective that, you know,
having lived in Asia, like all my life. No, that is absolutely spot on, man. I mean,
talking about like, you know, adapting and then also, you know, holding events, we have,
we have pivoted a couple of times in the past.
And also when we were just starting off as a gaming girl,
I wasn't even there in the company at that time,
but I know what was happening.
And then we had built our, like, products
because that's when there was a hype.
And then we pivoted, we built our L2.
And then we're building a lot of other things at the moment.
So, yeah, we were also quick to adapt, quick to pivot.
And also, at the same time, we are hosting our own events.
We have GM Vietnam, which we kind of co-hosted sort of last year.
This year, we are doing more like a main partner of Kair ventures and coin68 um instead of co-host because
the the co-hosts obviously are are the the tech group of of vietnam um so yeah um this is like
this is actually the you know the place where all the innovations uh you know meet i wouldn't say
arise because there are also some innovative
and creative, you know, builders outside of Southeast Asia,
but they would want to definitely want to, you know,
immerse or even like, you know, work alongside,
even if they're based outside,
but they still would want some of their team members
to be from Southeast Asia.
So this is what, because they know that these builders,
they're actually hustlers. So this is definitely the market to thrive. I'll let you speak, Mr. Consul,
the devil's advocate. Go ahead. No, actually, it's very hard to refute this point. I just want to go
in depth on regulation, because I believe if there's any one thing that has helped southeast
asia be what it is currently is regulation just to put everything in context here i'm based in kenya
and at some point in history this might sound ironic but at some point in history, this might sound ironic, but at some point in history, Kenya was richer than South Korea.
But if you compare notes now, that's a statement that will make you even boot me from this space because it just sounds nonsensical.
And it's all because of regulation very early on a majority of this
southeast asian tiger nations had protectors like policies for any game that wanted to enter their
territory for any technology or manufacturing company that wanted to sell, publish and distribute product
within their borders had to partner with a local firm. Now, fast forward from the advent of the
Second World War to now, we have these builders who have the skill set to finally stem out on their own.
Let that sink in a little, right?
They've adopted all these practices from Western nations that have somewhat set base in their nations through partnerships or joint venture deals. And now they have the confidence, they have the capital,
they have the government support to go out on their own.
On top of that, I think cost of labor is just something
that has made this economy's father stand out.
We are seeing in gaming an issue that's currently arising and that is games are becoming
very expensive to build and so what games have done is they've outsourced a couple of these
development tasks all this has done is further built out this labor pool that exists in Southeast Asia that can compete on a cost basis and still be
very proficient in delivering quality products, goods and services. And I think there's absolutely
no way to compete at this point with this great region of the world, which I was very fortunate
to visit a few months last month in
fact so it's very hard to be the devil's advocate here ron my fists are pumping for southeast asia
oh man that was a good take where did you visit if i if you don't mind sharing
i was in hong kong oh awesome oh so you for the, what was that, Web3 Fest or something, right?
Yeah, that's where I went to learn my first international hustle.
And I got to really grasp what Binary has said,
and that is the people are out there to achieve goals and i think they are very well skilled
due to the blob that i shared concerning regulations to achieve these goals
yeah absolutely man couldn't agree anymore i wouldn't really consider hong kong to be southeast
asia though but i i do agree because i mean that the living cost in Hong Kong is very similar to New York City or even, you know, Geneva in Switzerland.
It's like one of the most expensive places to live.
I was a resident myself.
I just moved out like recently.
But, yeah, speaking of Southeast Asia.
Mr. Khan, I am curious to ask you a question.
I am curious to ask you a question.
Yeah.
And this is something that comes to mind, too.
And this is something that comes to mind too.
What makes you think that hustle,
and I'm really,
I think this is fascinating from a culture perspective too,
makes you think that that hustle is any stronger
than the hustle of what a lot of these youth are doing
in Silicon Valley or out of Stanford
or the LA vape cabal even.
I mean, I'm not for any of that.
Peter Thiel's investment into Thread Guy. if you see all these companies that are hustling coming
out of the West, even too, and I mean, all across the board, what is that defining factor then?
Because I feel like this is a very shallow answer. I don't think we're truly getting to the heart of
this. I think this is just, this is what sounds pretty. And it sounds good when we say it,
because anyone can say you're hustling, right? You can hustle and grit. But, you know, we can look back to the earliest days of even Apple, you know, what we saw
would happen when Steve signed a deal with Galaxy and trusted them.
And then secretly three months later, they ran off of the blueprints and created the
Galaxy.
Like there's a difference between hustle, innovation, grit.
I mean, you can look at Solana.
You can look at, you know, we can make this argument
across the board for anyone that really has been in this industry and watching and not just saying
fancy words. What is that defining factor then? You know what I mean? What is that difference?
If you're looking at what's going on in Southeast Asia right now, or any part of Asia, really,
in my opinion, because I think they're doing great work there. I think this has a lot more
to do with regulation than anything.
It's very clear because, you know, if you're coming over in here,
you're getting triple taxed.
And why would you do that?
You know, if you have the docs in KYC
and then you end up paying half of the crypto that you already have,
because the truth is 90% of the guys that are winning
or that are angel investors got lucky on a shit coin.
Most of them don't have the skills to break outside of web 3 and that's just
the truth that's why nobody posts a linkedin profile that's why nobody like you know what i
mean like when it stands up to real world value it's easier to hide behind a pfp so how many
people can leave web 3 and go get a nine to five and support their families and buy a house and
like these are real questions right like web3 you can magically be anything you want
right like i've met shitobe and you know some of the bitcoin billionaires and i've had pictures
you know chill with bit boy back in the day and and honestly if you ask me and this is just me
being forward i think a lot of it's bullshit it's all antics it's all just marketing and pr let's
get to the heart of it like What really is that defining factor then
right now that is making, let's say Southeast Asia, such a big buzz right now? Because I don't
think it's just grit because if you're going to say that, then you have to say what's going on
in Solana right now and everything that people are pushing over on the West side. And I don't
think this, let me be very clear. This isn't battle of you know either side it's it's more of a getting to understand what it is right i'm a data guy i'm i'm a researcher
like i'm into understanding truth so let's i'm curious to see anyone's take on getting to the
heart of that yeah i know there's the devil's advocate who's had his hands raised but i'll try
to answer a question in the quickest way possible because I
definitely want to give chance to binary and then he'll be leaving soon because he has a call later
on um what I think is like mate um I agree that it's not just about the the grit it's not just
about uh how hard you work like it's how much you hustle it's also about the regulations like i mean i'll just
give you an example like last year we had issues i'll just be straightforward here we had because
really everyone knows about this we had issues when we had massive number of people like
massive attendance in gm vietnam were like with with 200 percent rise from the previous year
and that caused uh you know question marks and they were like you with 200 percent rise from the previous year and that caused uh you know question
marks and they were like you know interventions so this year we were trying to you know make it
more fair and then also working alongside the traditional tech company um and then making it
more fair obviously the regulations have eased a bit and then they're more uh crypto friendly
but having said that and it's someone like
those builders who are like, you know, behind their PFP who don't, you know, docks.
I think, yeah, you're absolutely right. Actually, myself, I'm from a corporate background. I was
in corporate for like, you know, when I started my career and happy to go back at any point of time
where I feel, you know, I need to support my'm happy to go back at any point of time where I feel
you know I need to support my family and I think that I need to focus on on um family more than
than um crypto but obviously crypto is something that it's an industry that I really like
and I really want to be I meet great people every day and I also uh I mean my PFB is who I am, I'm the real person there.
So I'm not afraid of switching, transitioning.
I just want to experience.
I just want to see how different it is, how different people are who live in, even like people who are not native to that culture or that region.
I would definitely want to experience.
That's why I have lived in different you know different
places different geographies um just to know it's just to adapt to a different work culture and also
to you know work alongside people who have a different mindset um of working having said that
i'll let a binary holding speak and then i'll swing it over to mr console hey yeah thanks thanks
ronald and yeah so i think great point and great counterpoint
as well. And obviously, I didn't mean to knock on, you know, someone else's hustle. And yeah,
it's not a battle like you said. But if I had to kind of sum it up, and this like is deep,
it's just desperation. Not in a bad way. But it's like, dude, if this doesn't work,
I am not in a similarly advantageous position as someone in the West in Silicon Valley to bounce back either financially or mentally because of parent pressure.
There's a bunch of emotional human stuff that goes on in Southeast Asia just because of, you know, community dynamics.
And I think that's what separates one hustle from another. And yeah, I hope like, I know my answer is like super succinct
and this is like a very nuanced topic, but this is just my take on it based off of my kind of
grassroots observations. Yeah, I hope that helps. And yeah, thanks. I do have to hop off. But thank
you guys for having me. I think before you go, I want you to know that that's probably one of the
best answers that I've heard in the last five years. Just being straight up with you. I'm in
meetings all day. I mean, that was a very honest and genuine answer. So definitely, I think that's
a home run answer. Thank you, sir. All right. Cool. Appreciate everyone here. And yeah, I'll catch you next time for sure. Thanks, Ron. Bye bye.
Yeah, catch you soon, man.
excited by this discussion and hustle thank you for actually asking that question because when we
say it's in the people what does that even mean it's not quantifiable you know when they speak
about kenyans they always pace is this way and i actually
want to agree with binary shift but i want to agree from the economic standpoint of the western
world and eastern world were in totally opposite worlds in the 80s.
To think that the city I went to, Hong Kong,
was nothing but a place for villagers and fishermen
is just something that surprised me
to what they've actually built.
And I think it's in the culture.
Some of these Chinese developers already have it in their veins
that they have to work from nine to nine.
And the regulation also, in as much as it's changing face,
encourages this.
There was no labor laws that said your employee needs time off every holiday.
That is something that is being newly introduced
and that's because the economies are becoming much wealthier and a thing which also intrigues
me more about this question is the fact that i think that same desperation raw energy was
witnessed from japan coming out of the war but currently if you talk
to their current generation they don't want to go through what their grandparents did
all that hard work and hustle the gen z's are not really into that and this falls into behavioral study in comparison to the old folks who are very very happy going the extra
mile sleeping at the subway sleeping in their suits so on so forth it's what gave them prestige
but now as the economies become a little bit more wealthy um probably guessing that this tenacity is really going to be wiped away.
That's just my guess right there, buddy.
That is.
Yeah, no, I think.
No, I think that's my bad round.
Do you want to?
No, no.
Go ahead, mate.
Go ahead, Chris.
Yeah, no, I think it's a great response. I think you're right. I think a lot of this is historical.
The one thing that people have to realize, too, and I'm so glad you brought this up because this is a powerful point.
I lived in Europe for years. I did a lot of traveling around the world.
And the one thing I noticed, too, is it's the state of mind. It's also the way culture and history is perceived.
So, for example, the U.S. is young, right? If you want to look at the U S whatever, 400 years old, whatever it might be, it's like that little
kid, that teenager, like, you know, you're a really big team. You ever see a kid when you go
to school, that's like really, really big, but he's young. Like you see like really big 10 year
olds and they're bigger than all the other kids. They might have that thing right now because
you're the hot thing or whatever it might be. But there is, you know, I see it all the time.
You can call it confidence.
You can call it arrogance.
You can call it what you want.
But the rest of the world has been here developing cultures and throughout history, ups and downs for thousands of years, right?
Like they're looking at it like, listen, we've been a nation for the last 5,000 years.
And like, that's great that you guys are in your moment of time.
But, you know,
culturally, I think things are felt historically a lot deeper in the East, as well as in, you know,
other parts of the world. And I think the reason why that is, is because it's also how people perceive reality, emotions, feelings, religions, like ancestry, looking at, you know, honoring
your ancestors. And there's a different pressure.
And I realized for those in the East, right. And I feel for that. I have a lot of empathy for that.
It's like, you know, he said it best binary earlier where it's like this, this feel where
you have to make it right. Like there's no option. Like, you know what I mean? Like this is something
This is something that you need to do.
that you need to do. And I think a lot of the youth over here in the West feel like, well,
And I think a lot of the youth over here in the West feel like, well, the possibilities,
even if I'm poor, even if I don't have it, you know, I could kind of just grind at 10
different things and maybe eventually something will give, you know, maybe there's that mentality
that there's more opportunity.
I'm not sure.
Maybe that's something that we could discuss in the psyche aspect of it.
But I think the reality is, is the cultural view of how we view life is different.
And I think that's the particular also defining factor.
Because if you look at World War II,
like you said, it's a very great example.
I'm a big history guy.
If you even look at that in Eastern Europe,
where after the Warsaw Pact was signed
and everyone said, you know, we wouldn't push East.
And then we're wondering why everything is going on
the way it is now with Russia. And then if you look in Asia, what happened after
the fall of World War II and everybody started rebuilding and, you know, territories were being
claimed. And it's one of those things where there's historical significance because I could
see it from the eyes. You know, I have a lot of friends where you do business in Taiwan with,
and you look at it from their perspective, they're an individual nation and they're like, Hey, listen, we have our own culture, we have our own thing. But then you also,
you know, you got to put yourself in other people's shoes, you see it from another side,
where those in mainland might say, well, listen, you know, you've been a part of
our culture for 1000s of years. And it's the same way Russia sees Ukraine. So I mean,
this is very touchy. Obviously, there's so much going on here that is even far beyond me or any of us. But the truth is, is I do think my point is,
is that those small things that we overlook are often very large reasons that end up getting
embedded into our youth, right? Like children inherit our anxieties. They inherit our hopes.
They inherit our dreams. And as as economies change radically because it's inevitable
right there's shifts you know soft men you know create hard times hard times create hard men you
know the cycle it's it's just an inevitable cycle of humanity but you know it's an interesting topic
great point yeah absolutely man uh and also speaking of of of what you said, I mean, I'm the one who has actually lived in both places.
I have lived in China before for about like six and a half years and I moved to Taiwan recently.
I clearly see the difference. I clearly see the difference. And I know what you're trying to say here.
to say here um and then i just you know what we actually hear from from the internet or from
um the tv uh is not always true uh what we see is is clearly like you know and and what you
what what you see is you don't really always have to believe right because sometimes when you see
something it's like it's not you're actually seeing that
thing maybe you're being shown something that they want you to see it's not that you're actually
seeing it so it's quite confusing but but yeah it's like someone who uh like like you said um
chris if you have experienced that you would know uh would know what you're actually talking about.
We'll swing it to the next question.
Obviously, we don't have much time left.
I would love to know your thoughts.
Or let's say just if you can share some examples of how participating or sponsoring a superchain or blockchain event benefited you guys?
Or if it hasn't benefited, if you've heard from others,
or if you're expecting to take part in any super chain
related event or sponsoring an event,
how do you think that could benefit you?
Or how can you get the maximum return on your investments?
It can be small.
It can be big.
Go ahead, Marcelo.
Yeah, absolutely.
By the way, loving the discussion.
They don't want to disrupt the awesome flow. But yeah, in terms of your last question, you know, there's so many different things you could do.
your last question, you know, there's so many different things you could do. I think
right off the bat, you know, when it comes to, you know, sponsoring an event,
you are promoting a chain. I would definitely say, you know, a hackathon is probably one of
the best ways you could promote it, right? Hosting a hackathon over a few days, hosting an event,
we've seen them, you know, with a lot of the Ethereum events, right? ETHEMBER, ETH whatever,
you know, ETH following whatever city it's being hosted at, the host events, you know with a lot of the ethereum events right eath ember eath eath whatever you know eath following whatever city is being hosted at the host events uh you know i remember eath
toronto here uh not too far from where i live just i'm hosting an event for you know three four five
days and just being able to have a bunch of developers encouraging encouraging even students
that you know from different universities to participate in these events,
I think is great because now you're not only hosting a hackathon,
bringing people together,
you're also essentially encouraging the next generation of developers, right?
And they might be very new to crypto.
They might not know or be as familiar with this space as others.
And being introduced through a hackathon
to your chain might be one of the best ways to kind of get them on board and suddenly you know
they're advocates for it they you know that's what got them into the ecosystem into what we call web
three and suddenly you know you've got them as strong advocates or believers in what you're doing
so i think hackathons are definitely a very powerful way of doing it.
Probably one of the best ways to do it.
And then, you know, just even sponsoring events, hosting booths,
having people come to you, talking with them.
There's a level of connect connectivity and, you know,
interaction that you can't replicate online compared to a lot of IRL events.
So just being able to connect with people, shaking their hands, talking to them, looking
at them in the eyes and having a real conversation really goes a very long way compared to, I
think, a lot of things that we would experience online.
So I think just that human element really goes far, right?
So yeah, I think I'll end it at that.
I know that we're running out of time, definitely you know hackathons you know just being able to connect
with people at booths talking to them being able to build that connection i think uh really goes a
long way and something that you can't you can't have uh when it comes to online interactions so
yeah those are some thoughts on my end.
Yeah, I love that take, man. And I also agree with that. I mean, being the front facing guy in the team, sometimes I do, I mean, feel like, okay, it could be it could have been better. It
could. I mean, it is like kind of a waste of a time, you know, holding such a big events and there is no quality conversation happening.
It happens in many conferences I've attended,
but there are also, there are lots of positives to take from there.
It's not all of these events are bad.
Not all of these events are meant to be, you know, productive
or like not all of them have to be, you know, builder focused.
We understand that, you know, there are like some fun events happening, but obviously we
would focus on the ones that we are, you know, hosting or co-hosting or sponsoring.
We want to get the best out of it.
Having said that, we also, we are planning to, you know, host a side event in GM Vietnam, a super chain focus.
Obviously, we'll dig into more details on that if you want to talk about it.
That's our initial thought.
We want to also, you know, invite certain, you know, builders on the super chain or either like chains themselves or like those who are building in Superchain
and love to know their thoughts on it,
like what their roadmap is
or what they're trying to achieve
and where we could potentially team up
and then do something together.
Obviously, there are lots of other events,
side events going on.
We had Token 2049 recently concluded.
We have another one coming up in Singapore, which I'm really looking forward to this year.
And then there's KBW.
Yeah, we'll have another one very soon.
Obviously not the next one.
I think we plan to do some chain focused spaces in the upcoming weeks.
I would love to have you guys there as well.
Arcus, you were pretty quiet today.
I know you've been in a lot of our spaces before,
but obviously I wanted to hear more of your opinions.
But regardless, we'll have to say goodbye.
At the end of the day, we're all here to you know support
each other you know build alongside each other and then hear each other out like you know i'm
really happy there were like new faces on our twitter spaces um would love to see chris and
and uh and um i forgot you named that the chief bird officer i didn't really catch your name but
definitely would love to see you again on our spaces obviously we have the ogs marcello uh arcus as well um console ephes we have some
like uh supporters who we have worked together um unscape we've got a zax nft um i'd love to love
to have you all the time supporting us um really thank you and big shout out to you guys.
Yeah, that's all for today.
See you guys in the next.
Yeah.
Shout out to, I just noticed on your profile that you work with Forbes
Web3.
I'm really pretty good friends with Manny.
So do you work with Manny?
Yeah, I do.
I don't work with her directly, but i talk to her very often yeah yeah i supported
her on a lot of occasions yeah okay yeah yeah i might have met you then that's why i'm trying
to make connections at the at the inner circle party i might have met you it was like oh it
then yes yes yeah i i did meet uh some well yeah it's just me like it could be off the top of my
head yeah but we would love to meet again definitely oh yeah no problem all right appreciate it some, well, yeah, it's just, you know, like, it could be off the top of my head.
Yeah, but we'd love to meet again, definitely.
Oh, yeah, no problem.
All right, appreciate it.
Yeah.
All right, guys, so that's pretty much for today.
Thank you, everyone, for attending the space and love to hear your thoughts all the time, every time you come up with great ideas.
And then, obviously, I'd love to hear you guys. And I want to speak less all the time, but in the end, I end up with great ideas. And then obviously I'd love to hear you guys.
And I want to speak less all the time,
but in the end I end up speaking a lot.
Apologies for that.
But yeah, see you guys in the next week.
Last week we had some time off,
so we had to reschedule the space to this week
because of the holidays.
I'll see you again very soon.
Ciao, ciao.
Yeah, some closing statement from you,
Chief Bird Officer.
Go ahead.
Oh, I think he left.
Okay.
I saw a hand raise.
All right, thank you guys.
See you, bye-bye. all right thank you guys see you bye Thank you.
