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The Tari Show
Recorded: May 6, 2025 Duration: 1:04:03Space Recording
Short Summary
Tari has successfully launched its mainnet, marking a pivotal moment in its journey towards decentralization and user empowerment. This launch not only introduces Tari tokens but also sets the stage for enhanced user experiences and growth within the blockchain ecosystem.
Full Transcription
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If you lose your way tonight
That's how you know the magic's right
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Shut up, all you do is out
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Everybody will be right, let it go.
All night shadows on you, break out into the light.
If you do it right, let it go.
All night shadows on you, break out into the light.
Everybody in the night, let's go all night, shut up on you, break out into the light.
Everybody in the night, let's go all night, shut up on you, break out into the light. uh
right
Hello Hello. Naveen, you're muted.
I'm... Ah, Naveen is being
rugged by phenomenal hotel
Wi-Fi.
So, Naveen's going to take a lap.
This is a term that I learned the other day
when I was in a Twitter space,
X space, whatever we're calling them nowadays.
And I was getting rugged by Elon.
He personally came down from SpaceX and rugged me.
And the other hosts were like,
we're struggling to hear you take a lap.
And I was like, nice. And so I did. you take a lap and i was like nice and so i did i took a lap
um around the block and then suddenly everything worked um because as you know i'm uh
very big on jogging which is the swedish art of massage they call it jogging
massage they call it yogging I think that's an anchor man reference as you
may or may not know Tari launched today mainnet l1 which is very exciting but
we also woke up at the crack of dawn like hot-past- four in the morning, South African time, to get to the office and
get everything ready.
So it's been a long day and this is the tail end of our day, which is not a bad thing.
But I think every single contributor that has worked hard on it today is quite tired and quite looking forward to
an early night and a restful night. So that's why I think taking a lap is not a bad thing. It's the calm before the final space before the sleep. What else can I? Honestly,
one of the smoothest launches that I've seen of late, I think that it is very difficult to have a smooth launch of anything really,
especially something that's this complex, but surprisingly smooth.
We had a list of about eight relatively minor bugs that came up after launch
came up after launch and we squashed quite quickly.
and we squashed quite quickly.
There are still some issues that I think are,
I find personally quite frustrating,
especially with Tari Universe on Linux.
I know that myself and some others are having endless woes
with Tor on Ubuntu.
But beyond those technical um things that affect um you know arguably a relatively
small portion of the user base it's been surprisingly surprisingly smooth
well everything was smooth until i got rugged by Elon Musk.
Yeah, he came down and rugged you himself, didn't he?
Yeah, he hit the button.
He's like, I don't want this guy to speak.
Fuck him.
And I got rugged.
That's exactly what happened.
Yeah, that's what I said.
You missed this, but I spoke about Elon coming down from SpaceX to rugged us.
Yeah, yeah. I don't know how that guy divides his time i mean that's like one of the great mysteries of the world but
you know he found the time to like you know just like flip the dip switch and say done with naveen
you know that clearly happened i mean in fairness he obviously has it out for us because this morning
the youtube stream worked perfectly and the Twitter stream worked for like no one.
Yeah, yeah, that was a whole can of wax this morning.
I don't know how many folks here tuned in for the live stream this morning, but that was or last night for those of you who are in my home time zone.
night for those of you who are in my home time zone.
But yeah, so we had this whole crazy idea, which in hindsight was kind of a dumb idea,
to be honest.
But we had this little crazy idea of like, oh, we're going to curate these awesome playlists
and we're just going to do our stream and we're going to just play commercial music
and no one's going to care.
Now, here's the thing about that.
Obviously, most people know I spend a lot of time in the music business.
And so we had YouTube allow list our stream.
We actually reached out to YouTube and we're like, look, we're going to stream a bunch of copyrighted shit.
Straight up.
We were totally honest.
We were completely honest actors.
We're like, look, we're're gonna stream some fucking Michael Jackson we're gonna
stream some fucking like you know I don't know Pantera like whatever whatever
we had in the playlist can tear was in the playlist but whatever was Beastie
boys like we were gonna stream all this commercial stuff and YouTube's like was
like cool no problem we're just gonna allow list you guys. You're good. And then we started streaming the countdown. And lo and behold, we got copyright strike after copyright strike on YouTube. It was hilarious. It was like a domino effect. It was just absolutely just like comedy.
Yeah. So anyway, we had to switch to elevator music,
which is really, really funny.
Then for the actual launch sequence bit,
we actually had custom music made for other events in the past.
We were able to pull that rabbit out of our hat,
so we could play something cooler than
elevator music for this launch sequence piece.
But anyway, these are the little things that people are like,
why do they care about that?
Who cares?
But we care because we were trying to make it fun.
If we're going to launch this thing together as a community,
let's have it be a good time.
Let's not have it be lame.
Everyone does lame shit where it's like they're launching via tweet you know or whatever
it's like no we spent seven years ten months on this thing you know with all of you who are
listening to this and like let's try to have some fun let's make it interesting at least so um
anyway that was that was the the comedy of errors this morning so actually the stream
the comedy of errors this morning.
So actually the stream was harder than launching Tari,
which is remarkable.
That's true.
And,
and I,
you know,
I wanted to just interject,
like not to throw anyone under a bus,
but like,
you know,
we do care about this stuff because the alternative is to do,
adverts like the news e-cash adverts.
I just had to throw...
I had to throw...
I've been wanting to throw that in somewhere.
I thought you really
had this vision
of Zuko dancing on a beach
with the large Zcash logo.
I thought you were all about it.
I mean...
To be honest honest the elevator i mean the um the the grocery bull has
done him any favors okay okay that was a low blow anyway um okay so uh well thank you guys for
tuning in sorry i had to take a lap uh it's very common in this part of the internet on this particular platform. Tari Mainnet is live. If you're in this room right now and you weren't aware of that, then you're probably living under a rock.
Or an NPC. Yeah. And we are so grateful for all of you.
You know, this is like a project that started off as just like a conversation that Rick
and I had at a random restaurant in LA seven plus years ago. And it's turned into this
really magical thing. And we get to collaborate with all of you guys every day. And it's like
the fucking best thing. And I just wake up every day feeling like, what is this life? This is such a blessing because we get to work on this freedom-enhancing,
pro-human thing in a world that's just so wildly dystopian.
It's just like, I don't know.
To me, it's crazy.
You watch a movie like Minority Report,
and then it's like, oh, WorldCoin,
and you're like, what?
What the fuck just happened?
That was supposed to be science fiction, man.
Like, what the fuck is this?
So to be able to contribute to something like this that is distinctly pro-freedom is really an honor so i just want to give a huge shout out to everyone here because you know
launching mainnet for this is is you know something that obviously like contributors
you know someone ultimately had to pull the trigger but it's really all of you that made
it possible because there's no way to actually build something like this and test it and actually
like get it out there and make it something that actually works for like a large number of people
if a large number of people don't come together and decide that it's worth their time.
And each and every one of you has decided that it's worth your time.
So thank you.
Thank you for giving us the opportunity to do this thing
and get it out there for us, with us, for all of us.
So that's where we'll start today.
I don't know, Rick, do you want to add anything to that?
Yeah, I mean, I think, um,
there's so many lessons that,
that we learned as contributors over the last nearly eight years.
And I like,
I wish I could go back eight years and be like, by the way,
this is how you architect Tariari. Like, that would be wonderful.
But I don't begrudge the lessons.
I don't hate the mistakes and the fiddly bits, the challenges along the way, you know.
I think they've all been important.
they've all helped us as contributors grow.
They've all helped us as contributors grow.
And, you know, like as an example,
like one thing that I was actually talking about the other day
and that really fascinates me to think about
is when we broke ground on Tari
from a development perspective seven and a half years ago,
Rust was not a very popular language.
It was still quite new and not used in anything that was like production worthy.
There were some small things.
Tor was, you know, building some small Rust toys.
And Mozilla was talking about, like,
maybe redoing parts of Firefox and Rust.
But that's it.
It was, like, conversations.
And there wasn't a lot of, like,
major production stuff that used Rust.
And so we, you know, when you go out
looking for contributors to help you build this thing,
you know, you use that as a selling point,
of course.
Please come and learn Rust.
Learn this cool language.
Wouldn't that be nice? But it's also a challenge because you're not going to find, at that point, you weren't
You weren't going to find developers who knew Rust.
going to find developers who knew Rust.
And so the learning curve for anyone who was an early contributor to Tari was massive.
Learn a language you're unfamiliar with.
Learn about decentralized software, because that's also not something that most software engineers are familiar with.
Learn about blockchain.
Learn about all of these weird, you know, edge cases and attacks.
Learn about cryptography that you've probably never cared about
in most of the applications that you've built previously.
You know, learn about open source because some of the contributors,
like, were, you know, very familiar and had, like, big open source cred, but some of them had
never contributed to an open source project in their life.
And all of that is just like a major learning curve, a major shift in mental model for any
engineer.
And just, I think, very challenging all around.
But the contributors have met those challenges over the last seven and a half years,
and it's the reason that we managed to get here and have the successful launch
because of their attention to detail, their dedication, their energy,
and their unwavering commitment to getting the job done
in the best way they can with the knowledge and information they had at the time.
And I can only thank them and everyone that has put blood, sweat, and tears into this from the bottom of my heart.
I concur.
So, I mean, most people know this,
but it may be worthwhile just saying a couple words about it.
Because, you know, we did a little mini round
of like press stuff or whatever for the launch.
And, you know, it's a very common question for people to ask,
what sets Tari apart in a world filled with seemingly an infinite number
of protocols that are all saying they're going to be the next hot thing,
the next big deal or whatever. Why did we embark on this mission?
Why is this mission relevant still almost eight years later? Actually, what's really interesting
is I was talking to one of our supporters, someone who you know really helped us get this thing off the ground
you know basically seven years ago and they forwarded me a document that i had written
about tari uh like at at the very beginning and uh and their comment was
you know naveen what you guys ended up building is actually pretty darn close to what you pitched,
you know, seven years ago. And I was like, hey, look at that. Look, you know, we kind of stayed
pretty true to the original vision. So I think the key things about Tari is really just this kind of relentless focus on first principles.
And, you know, Rick and I, obviously, you know, we're evaluating things like all the time.
And we always kind of get back to, you know, a lot of, you know, first principles conversations.
So let's take TAR Universe, for example. So how did Tari
Universe come to be? Well, a couple years ago, we were having a conversation about
launching Tari. And at that point, all we had was the Tari suite, our command line tools.
And Rick and I had a conversation. I was like, Rick, man, dude, who's going to use
this? Like, who's going to use the command line tools? Like, look, I'll use the command line
tools. I know you'll use the command line tools. I know we all have lots of friends that will
probably use the command line tools. But is that really who we're building this for, right? Is
that really the goal that a bunch of people that are already
like pretty sophisticated, technically, you know, feel comfortable in a terminal or whatever,
are going to be the people who use this thing, you know, people who are comfortable editing
config files and doing all kinds of things with their machines. And I was like, dude,
And I was like, dude, how do we create something that has just a larger top of funnel?
Just, you know, it's something that more people can use.
And actually, I think the first component we really started talking about was, if my memory serves me correctly, was actually Peterpool, right?
Isn't that right, Rick?
This was a couple years ago where we started talking about Peterpool, right? Isn't that right, Rick? This was a couple years ago where we started talking about Peterpool.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure.
Peterpool became an element of usability.
You know, like how do we get people to mine without having them choose a pool
and then panic about, like, I'm on the right pool, you know,
and all the
thoughts that go around it, oh, this pool's approaching double-digit percentages of the
hash rate, I need to switch. Just take that decision away. Yeah, totally, exactly. So it
really started there. And then, so we started working on this P2Pool implementation. And then it became a gooey conversation. And we started thinking about, well, what are all the things people do when they start to mine, you know, in a traditional sense?
And then what does it really mean to be a miner?
And what became very clear is that people who choose to mine, like most people in this space, there's a level of commitment required.
You're committing hardware.
You're committing electricity.
You're committing your time and effort to choose
to mine something. And that is a really kind of like far deeper level connection to a system
than you would ever get if you're just taking some tokens. And what's really compelling about that is if you're mining something,
and I would always rely on my thinking back when I was mining Monero and earlier Monero times,
and what was my psychology as someone who was mining Monero and cared a lot about,
and obviously continues to care a lot about Monero.
And it was like, I'm helping to secure the network.
I'm mining this token,
and I want to see this token be successful.
I want to be able to use this token.
I want to be able to do stuff with it.
And that's where we came up with this, had this epiphany of like, well, fuck, what if TAR universe is more than just a mining application?
You know, like it starts off as a mining application and, you know, hopefully a really beautiful one and a fun one to use and one that makes it easier for folks and kind of like obfuscates a lot of complexity and just makes it kind of a delight.
Like how do we
make it like a delight for people um but then the next step is well how how about we just make it
really easy for people to do stuff with their tokens like natively on the network and and how
do we do that and that's where we started thinking about
target universe is more of this like app launcher kind of like native
distribution platform and then we realized that you know which often
happens in this industry you know if you come up with something you can often
times it all becomes like a Venn diagram it's like you know it ends up
serving multiple purposes it's like okay well if you're gonna create that opportunity for
miners and for users of the of the network and the protocol you're basically creating a discovery
engine it's like okay now they can discover new stuff to do on tari well if you're creating a
discovery engine for them well well, it just so
happens that for the developers of those things, you're creating native distribution. And that
ends up being a huge problem in this space. And we've talked about a lot on this show, but
it's really hard to develop stuff for Ethereum or Solana or whatever and get discovered.
to develop stuff for you know ethereum or solana or whatever and get discovered it's really
difficult i mean it's just almost impossible because there is no native discovery system
there's no native distribution system so so you know this is the kind of conversations
that a lot of contributors have to tarari. And one of the things that,
you know, at least is one of my goals is, you know, I personally want to share more of that
with you all because I think it helps frame the question of like, okay, well, what makes Tari
different? What sets it apart? And it's just
like relentless focused on first principles thinking, like how are you really taking care
of a particular need for a user, you know, a given user? And, you know, the first principles
thing here with Tari Universe is we'll make it easy to use, cut steps, cut decisions.
Because the more steps you cut, the easier it is to use, the more successful you're going
to be, the more users you're probably going to end up having.
That's the first principle there.
The first principle in terms of developers is, what's the most important thing for a
developer when they're considering a platform?
And it really truly is distribution.
Developers will do all kinds of things
if they can get easy access to distribution
because distribution is really freaking hard.
It's probably one of the hardest things to get
out there in the world.
So those are some of the things
that I really think a lot about
as it relates to what sets Tari apart.
I don't know, Rick, what's your vibe?
Stuff that I'm seeing anecdotally on Twitter is things like, oh, you know, Ethereum's lost its first mover advantage.
And then I saw a tweet the other day where somebody said Solana solved scaling, which, you know, frankly, was laughable.
Because that's like saying Google Sheets solved scaling.
Because that's like saying Google Sheets solved scaling.
You know, like, of course, you can solve scaling by shifting things towards a greater and greater centralization.
But that doesn't solve anything.
You know, it just makes it like more of a centralized database.
of a centralized database.
And one of the things that I'm really excited about is I feel like there's something of
a, you know, you get those like triangle paradoxes where the famous one that at least
when, you know, I was in my 20s was about finding a girlfriend.
And the triangle was sane, beautiful, intelligent.
Choose two.
And with blockchain stuff, with decentralized applications,
then that sort of – the thing that you have to choose from is privacy,
some sort of user, high degree of user friendliness,
and scalability. And, you know, most of the time they choose,
oh, and decentralization.
And most of the time they choose like one or two of those.
And I've really thought long and hard about if we
can get all four can we have a system that is very very highly decentralized
that is offers a high degree of privacy that has an incredible user experience and is just insanely scalable.
Can we do all of this? And I think that we can with Tari. And a step towards getting there is
the launch of the L1. Because the L2, the Oodle, is built on the back of that.
And the entire economic and security model of the Oodle hinges on this.
And so this has been such an important step in the process
to be able to build something that maximizes for all of these different facets instead of making
giant compromises. And I think, you know, we've proven that we can do that with Tari Universe.
Like, somebody on Twitter accused us of focusing too much on the user experience,
accused us of focusing too much on the user experience,
which is wild to me, you know,
because it's like, it's almost like,
well, look at the application.
It's so beautiful and easy to use.
And where does your brain go when someone says that?
Well, it must be centralized.
That's the only way you can make something beautiful
and easy to use is it must be centralized.
But we've created a mining application that uses Peterpool
that does not use centralized pools.
And there are a bunch of challenges and bugs and issues
we're going to face as this scales up, I guarantee you.
But it just proves that it can be done,
that you can maximize for everything and get it right.
You do not need to create something that is command line only and that's the decentralized
version or it's beautiful, but it's centralized.
You can have your cake and eat it.
And I am so dedicated to prove that we can do that on that second layer as well,
that we can create something that is the pinnacle of decentralized applications
that covers all possible use cases in a maximally centralized,
highly scalable, privacy-focused, consumer-oriented way.
You didn't mean centralized there, did you?
I thought I said decentralized.
My brain.
Yeah, that's been a long day.
Gotcha.
Anyway, yeah, the one other thing that came up recently was I love having – I mean, people who know me know that I love having these conversations about the privacy topic where people are like, well, why?
Why are you deciding to make a system that is default confidential?
Like what?
What do you have to hide?
And I'm like, bro. And yeah, so someone asked that recently, like, okay, why is Atari default confidential? And the response that we gave was that it just so happens that default confidential systems are better for the user.
Like it's a better user experience.
And the person who asked the question was like dumbfounded.
They're like, what are you talking about is better for the user experience?
And I was like, well, look, you know,, I'm not the biggest fan of TradFi or anything,
but when I send someone a wire transfer
or use my credit card,
you can't Google someone's bank account number
and see their balance and their history
from the beginning of time.
I don't have to click the make it private button.
I don't have to use a Z address at the grocery store when I want to check out and keep my transactions confidential, at least on a peer-to-peer basis.
I'm not suggesting that TradFi is confidential overall, but on a peer-to-peer basis, it certainly is.
And so to me, I think of making a system that's default
confidential. I go, well, fuck, we're just meeting users where they are already. Like,
why try to teach someone a new behavior if you don't have to? Like, to me, that just seems obvious.
Like, why would you design a system where it's like hey man
yeah you're gonna be using this crypto thing and oh by the way just be careful
what you do because like people can just see all your shit it's actually a
panopticon so just be careful about that like why why would you want to have to
like explain that to someone or God forbid you don't explain it to someone and they find out later that it's just a giant surveillance system. And then the same thing goes for the
business conversation. It's like, okay, we're going to enable developers to build amazing
applications on the Oodle. Okay, that's cool. Well, how does confidentiality benefit them? Well, it turns
out that it's pretty damn important because it, and this is the wild part about this industry.
Have you ever asked yourself the question, like, why investors in this industry tend to invest in infra and not in apps? It seems to be like the grand question.
It's this like grand question. People pose this question on the timeline repeatedly. Why,
oh, great venture capitalists, do you not invest in the application layer? Why do we fund endless EVM chains, endless, endless,
endless L2s, marginally faster after marginally faster? Why do we do it?
And the simple answer is that it's very difficult to accrue value to an application
where competitors can simply vampire attack their best users i mean if you
really zoom out and think about it it kind of it's kind of common sense it's like well wait i'm gonna
go and i'm gonna i'm gonna build a business and i'm gonna spend an enormous amount of time and
effort and energy acquiring customers for my business only for the next Tom Dick and Harry around
the corner who's building a copy pasta of my product to be able to just
vampire attack all my best users they can go and create a dune analytics
report to stack rank all my users by whatever metric they fucking please and
they can just steal my users it's like well wait a minute here how do I actually get an ROI how do I what is my LTV
my lifetime value sorry VC speak what is my LTV of a user if the next you know donkey can just steal
them or or vampire attack them for me and and if you really zoom out and think about that you're like
well wait that's crazy yeah that makes it much harder to accrue value to you know whatever the
the product is the product protocol platform whatever the it is and then if you pair that
with the fact that the existing protocols have no native distribution, it's like, yeah,
no wonder. No wonder investors don't have interest in funding applications. Duh, no shit.
So to me, I think a lot of the conversations about privacy kind of like veer into the ideological realm. And obviously, you know, we care deeply about the ideology,
you know, that's why we talk about Tari being pro-freedom and all of that sort of thing.
But if you kind of just get down to brass tacks, you get back to first principles about it, you
say, well, we just want to meet users where they are. That's all we want to do. And, you know,
we want to enable developers and entrepreneurs to build really cool shit on Tari and accrue value to whatever they're building.
That's the first principle.
That's it.
So if you think about it from that point of view, building a default surveillance system is kind of dumb it's really like a stupid choice because now you're having
to educate the user about like a pattern that the system has that is not normal to them and you're
having to convince entrepreneurs and developers to build on a obviously inferior developer platform
and it just seems like you're making your life too difficult.
Why would you want to make your life that difficult?
So those are like a couple things that in our view really set Tari apart compared to
essentially almost anything else out there.
If anyone has questions, obviously you can DM us or if you want to ask questions,
feel free to request, we'll bring some folks up or whatever. But I just want to make sure we,
especially for new people, since today is mainnet day, why are we doing this? Why is there another
protocol that's needed in the world? And that's our answer. That's the reason why. Those are some of the reasons why. There's more, but those are some of the reasons why.
Rick, should we talk a little bit about network warm-up? I've seen a bunch of questions about this
from folks. What do you think? Yes, we should.
Yes, we should.
Please continue.
Please continue.
Oh, I thought, you know, I mean, you asked, should we?
And I said, yes, we should.
Yeah, so, you know, one of the things that,
like some of the questions that have come up that I've seen
is questions around why are there no day one listings?
And I think that that's because it's become increasingly common
for tokens or L2s to launch and there are day one listings.
And the reason that there aren't day one listings with Tari
is very specifically because it is hyper dangerous
for an exchange or a bridge or a swap service
or anything like that to accept a proof of work,
a deposit on a proof of work coin when it's in its infancy.
So especially the first few days, it's like the network is so frothy.
It's so easy to get onto alt chains, to have large reorgs.
And that improves over time.
It also improves as more miners come on.
And so there are the difficulty swings, you know,
that the aggregate changes and difficulty become smaller
because there's more consistency among miners.
And so when you view it through that lens,
then you understand why it would be crazy for an exchange to go like, oh, we're accepting this potentially dangerous deposit.
Others may not.
Exchanges like Binance, back in the day when they used to accept Monero or support Monero,
they would, at the slightest indication of any difficulty, whether it is a tweet that someone put out
or an issue they personally faced with their wallet or a GitHub issue,
they would just disable Monero withdrawals and deposits like tough you wanted to deposit no you can't now you could still trade your monero
into tether and withdraw it but like they would just literally shut the wallet down for days, sometimes weeks. It was atrocious.
And so it's unsurprising that exchanges are,
they now understand the challenges with new proof-of-work chains.
We've also, as contributors,
tried to embed a model into the base or the protocol that leans into this.
So when you mine coins on any proof of work network,
they're not instantly available to you.
They're in your wallet, but you can't spend them.
There's a period of mat, before you can spend them.
And that coin maturity period on Tari is six hours.
So six hours after you have mined a block,
you can spend the Tari, you can, you know, deposit it on,
spend it on an exchange, I mean,
with a merchant that accepts it or whatever.
You know, you can now spend them, send it that accepts it or whatever. You can now spend them.
Send it to your friend or whatever.
The challenge is what do you do with that during the warm-up period,
during the first few weeks?
And so what we've put in the protocol is a sort of slow start to that. So in the first week, and these are obviously approximate
time values because it's actually based on block height and not based on dates. In the first week,
that maturity period is 24 hours. In the second week, that drops down to 12 hours. And in the third week, it drops down to
eight. And then in the fourth week, it's at six. And that's where it'll stay forever in perpetuity.
And that really just leans into the idea that this is going to take a little bit of time to stabilize.
And so you can't really do the normal things
that you would do on the network for those first few weeks
unless you are very, very patient, which is fine.
You can be very patient and you can do it that way.
But it just plays into what we expect to have
and what we're observing,
that there's more froth in the network. there's people coming on and dropping off all the time
and that's perfect that's exactly what we expect and that stabilization will
happen and it'll happen you know over a few weeks not over months but we have to
give the network some time to settle.
I think about it this way.
Look, if you're running a blockchain on an Amazon instance,
and you've got a dude in the corner who's going to hit the space bar and generate X number of tokens.
The system is run by that same dude with that same instance.
You can go to any partner,
whether it's infrastructure partner or some venue or whatever it is,
and say, look, yeah, this thing is just going to work
kind of as you expect,
and here's a bunch of tokens and let's roll,
then yeah, that's what happens.
That's what a quote-unquote day one listing is.
A day one listing has you know a day one listing has
essentially those characteristics to it and and and it's if you really zoom out and think about
it's kind of sad that that's kind of what the industry has grown to expect you know the overton
window has shifted to this like world where now protocol is launching. Well, who's the day one this and that? What's the day one X, Y, and Z?
And it's like, wait, everyone who's mining TAR using TAR Universe is running a full node.
This thing is hyper-decentralized from the jump.
We have a native P2Pool implementation, which is the by far dominant pool configuration for the network.
which is the by far dominant pool configuration for the network.
Obviously, there's a number of larger miners who are winning solo blocks.
Good on them.
They have a choice.
That's their decision to make.
We're not forcing you to use P2Pool.
It's a default in the system, but if you don't want to use it, you don't have to.
So the system is a decentralized system from day one. So as a result, it has different
characteristics. There's a different dynamic to the system and you have to kind of let it breathe
and settle and kind of exist for some amount of time before anyone wants to essentially integrate it into their world. And I think that's
completely natural and normal. So in terms of what people should expect, and we communicated this
both in the release notes for TAR Universe 1.0, also in the tweet about mainnet, also in the email
that was sent. So we've really tried hard to communicate this. This is not like something we're trying to not communicate. But we kind of expect the network warm-up period
to last something like a couple weeks. And in that time, the network finds itself,
becomes more reliable. The miners who are choosing to mine it more consistently are
sticking around. And then it settles. And as a result of that, then it builds confidence
in these third parties to want to roll out their integrations. Now, to be clear, there's people
who are chomping at the bit, right? Like, cause this is, you know, a, a, an important launch, you know, out there in
the industry. So there's lots of interest, lots of excitement out there, um, from folks who are
really, really motivated to like, you know, go live. Now we've, we've had to tell people like,
wait, you got to give it a minute. I know you're accustomed to layer twos
that are ready to just go live off the rip, but this is a different thing. You have to rewind
your thinking back to when proof of work launches were more than dorm in terms of you going live.
So we appreciate everyone's patience. We hope this is a good explanation for you in terms of what is happening.
And obviously we're really excited for people to integrate and support Tari in many ways.
There's many different types of people out there that want to support it, and we're very excited about that.
And we think it's going to be really awesome for everyone in the community when that comes to pass.
Rick, any other things we should say about the warm-up period?
No, I think we've nailed that.
Have we beaten a dead horse?
We perhaps have slightly kicked a dead pony.
Sorry. I'm sorry. That was uncalled for.
That was below the line.
That was below the line.
Okay, anyway.
All right.
Okay, so if anyone has any questions,
just feel free to raise your hand we'll
invite some folks up if you want to like chat with us or ask questions or whatever
um well let's see uh okay what what to expect next like what's coming up next so
things that contributors are working on right now um so there is a wallet like sync delay kind of thing that is a known bug
that I know a number of people brought up. So that's definitely one thing contributors are
working on. There's some P2P optimization. So obviously the makeup of the main net network is distinctly different,
no surprise, from the test net. So as a result, there's some tuning that has to happen with P2Pool.
So expect some tuning to happen with P2Pool over the next call it day or two. The goal being,
which is always our goal to improve
wind frequency for as many minors as possible. So just know that that's definitely like something
that's very top of mind. There are some surprises. There's some cool little things. They're not big
things, but there's some cool little things that we have
up our sleeve that we're excited about because they're kind of like quality of life things
that make Universe even more fun than it is now. It's already really fun, but even more fun.
And I think Rick mentioned some things
related to Linux,
some Linux issues and other things.
Rick, is there anything else
on top of your mind
that's burning bug fix stuff
that we're working on
or new feature stuff?
Yeah, we've had some people
who have more locked down browser setups
with JavaScript disabled and so on,
struggle to get the download buttons to work
because there's a little hook that tries to determine
what architecture you're running
and then give you the most appropriate download.
And it's actually silly of us
because why would we have Windows, Mac,
and Linux download buttons and then
still try guess what architecture you're downloading for so that's you know like in hindsight not our
best work um and we're going to fix that um because it uh it should actually give you like
on that downloads page should give you the choice of architectures because presumably if you're
downloading for you know from from the all downloads page, you know what
architecture you're downloading for.
And it's entirely likely, if not very probable, that you're not downloading for that computer.
You're downloading for some other computer.
So that's something that I understand and agree can be a point of frustration for folks.
And we're working on fixing that as well.
Yeah, just to speak a little bit more to the people's stuff.
So right now there are three pools.
pools and, um, sort of a key difference between the makeup of the network, uh, and sort of
this initial main net phase compared to test net is just simply, obviously the number of
the amount of horsepower on the network, right? So everyone is watching the hash rate, you
know, uh, climb. It's, it's obviously like materially higher than it was at any point
in time for the testnet and and as a result you know the way pools come together and the way
pools work with shares it just means that there's people out there who are not earning shares basically you
know you're just not earning shares because the pools are very topsy-turvy you know in some cases
you know there's people who are running like really large rigs or you know whatever versus
someone who's mining on a laptop and the person who's mining using a huge rig and there's enough people in that pool.
And then it ends up kicking the person who has lower hash rate into a place where they're just not able to earn shares
and therefore they're not able to win rewards as frequently as obviously we want them to.
So P2 pool is kind of like a pretty complex beast in its own right.
And so it definitely requires tuning based on the makeup of the network.
And so contributors have some very concrete ideas on how to improve the overall tuning
of P2Pool to meaningfully increase the wind frequency for a heck of a lot more miners.
Not everybody, but for a lot more miners.
And a lot of that comes from our trial and error sort of experimentation
around P2Pool over the last six months.
People who have been on the testnet for quite some time are well aware
there's been periods of time where there's been many challenges
with P2Pool over time.
So I think contributors have definitely learned a lot. And so we have some pretty crisp ideas,
no guarantee they're going to work per se, obviously, but we have very crisp ideas on
what to do to create better outcomes for a much larger percentage of miners on the network.
create better outcomes for a much larger percentage of miners on the network.
Cool.
Well, we have a pretty remarkable prize to give away right now.
So this is the last – well, let me clarify.
This is maybe, possibly, the last mining party.
That is some bullshit, isn't it, Rick?
Maybe, that's just fucking bullshit.
That is like the most great thing in the world.
Who knows? Nobody knows.
Okay, so, the prize for today is a okay Rick you have a name for it don't you you have this like
name I do I do so yeah so so the thing is like it's a spiritual minor right but it's a tweet
spiritual minor and when I was told that we were going to call it the super spirit shell minor
i was very disappointed i just i just don't think that that's an appropriate name
and so i've decided to give it a better name and this is the supercalifragilistice spiritual
spiritual whatever supercalifragilistice spiritual, whatever, super color fragilistic,
spiritual, a licious, whatever, something like that, you know,
just super kind of fragilistic, that thing, but with spiritual in it.
And that I think is a far more appropriate name because it's also a tongue
twister. So it's a total twofer. You get both of the,
both the tongue twister and a very special name.
And I'm going to figure out how to do this, and I'm going to tweet it out,
and then other people can try and say it.
But yes, that's the prize.
Okay, so that's cool.
I love the name.
So what is it exactly?
Well, it's a really remarkable rig. It is a RTX 5090, AMD Ryzen 9950 X3D CPU, 128 gigs of DDR5 RAM, a 2 terabyte NVMe SSD.
It is a really, really, really fast machine, like beast mode.
It is like beast mode level machine.
It's a one of one.
We've not made one like this in our little spirit shell world.
So it's like fully custom.
And we're really excited.
We're really excited for a lucky Tari minor to win it today.
It's going to happen.
It's about to happen.
So, Rick, do you want to do the honors?
I do. So the winner of the Supercalifragilisticexpiritualidocious is XYZCDM, a.k.a. Terry C.
Well done, Terry C.
Terry C., congratulations on winning this really remarkable machine.
We hope it serves you well in the trench warfare that is Tari Mining and beyond.
Maybe you want to be a podcaster, or maybe you want to be a pro gamer, or maybe whatever.
Whatever you want to do.
Maybe you want to train LLM models or
whatever with this. Like you can do anything. This machine will, this is the machine. This is the
machine of your dreams, Terry. This is the machine that will change your life. So I feel like Oprah.
I feel like Oprah. Anyway, congratulations to Terry C. We're very, very excited for you. And yeah, this is a really special moment for all of us. It's like day one of Tari. The Genesis block was mine this morning. Everyone who's here is an OG. Everyone here was here at the beginning of the birth of this new
network. There are surprises. There are surprises in the Genesis block that we can't talk about yet,
but you can go discover them for yourselves if you're so inclined. And there's so many little details, little, little details.
So we're really excited for those kinds of things to emerge over time as we hope they do.
And yeah, it's day one.
Today is day one.
I mean, it took us like over 2,600 days to get here, but we're just going to put that aside for a moment.
Just put that aside.
What's an extra 2,600 days between friends?
Today is day one.
This is day one, and this is the very beginning.
And this is a new kind of animal.
It's a new animal.
It is not an animal that currently exists.
So be patient.
We appreciate your feedback.
Keep sharing feedback.
We want to know if something isn't working for you.
We want to know if something isn't feeling quite right to you.
It helps improve.
It helps the system improve.
We are here to continuously improve the system. It's not perfect. It's very hard to make something like this perfect. Perfection is
not the goal. The goal is to make it as great as we can. And we have a real opportunity together
to change the fucking world. We can do it. We can change the world with this thing.
to change the fucking world.
We can do it.
We can change the world with this thing.
And I just feel really honored and excited
to be able to do this with each and every one of you.
And we're very, very grateful.
So thank you very much for tuning in to the Tari Show.
We will continue the Tari Show going forward.
So we'll have another show next week.
And there's so much more to come.
This is literally day one. So stay tuned, share your ideas, share your feedback,
let us know how things are working for you, and expect improvements and updates relatively quickly,
improvements and updates relatively quickly and expect surprises because we like to surprise
rick anything you want to add no just uh surprise this twitter space is coming to an end
all right good night everyone thank you so much for tuning in i hope you have a great
rest of your week and happy mining. I'm trying to breathe it down. Yes, it is! Oh! Oh!
Yeah, uh-oh!
Missed him all the secret master relative poetry!
That's like the side!
The white light is going to be tough since I'm in the show that gets fucked!
It's just a career that's so-called rat so far.
