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The Telos Guardian Candidates Part 2
Recorded: May 30, 2025 Duration: 0:58:42Space Recording
Short Summary
In a recent discussion, candidates for the Telos governance board outlined their visions for growth, emphasizing the importance of transparency, community engagement, and strategic partnerships. With the upcoming token launch and a focus on appealing to non-crypto users, the conversation highlighted key trends and strategies aimed at enhancing the Telos ecosystem.
Full Transcription
Thank you. you
Hey guys, thanks for joining
Let's give a few minutes for people to jump in and then we can get started. Hey, Narek.
I thought I'd quickly ask, did you see that the Telos pump is now live?
Just while we're waiting for people to join?
I did, yeah.
It's a big day.
Yeah, it's awesome to see.
Good job on the team
working behind that.
Absolutely, yeah.
The team at Meridian really did a good job
to put that out and they made it happen.
We finally got a
pump,
Telos pump on
Telos.
Pump one on Telos. A pump one on Telos.
There's so far a baby Telos token,
a GigaChain token, aggregated GigaChain.
Oh, that's funny.
Mr. Bean.
So, yeah.
Interesting.
That's great. Let's see's see we gotta kind of i'm not seeing some of these uh
guardian candidates on yet so as soon as they join and i can get them up we can get started
i'm not sure if rosa's coming up on stage today, but I have sent an invite. Yeah, no, he was here last week, so we should be fine on that.
We have a few others that said that they'd be joining.
Brilliant.
I'm looking forward to it, alright?
Absolutely, same here.
Cool, we got Alberto.
So what's going to be kind of the agenda and flow of the spaces today?
So it's going to be similar to last week where we introduced the candidates and we asked them some simple questions that are basically from the form, you know, get an idea of
their experience, what they've done, and also ask about what ideas they have, how we could improve
Telos, how we could grow Telos, what changes they want to see and yeah you know it's a chance for the community to learn about the new set of
candidates for guardians and you know give give them as much questions as we possibly can to
so that the community knows who they're voting for.
Makes sense. And when when's the actual deadline for all votes to be in?
Right. So basically, the way it works is we had opened up all the kind of the people to apply and nominations have been opened up so that they can go
on native and nominate themselves. June 2nd is the deadline for nomination. If you don't
put your names down on native and register yourself before June 2nd, then you won't even be a part of the vote. So June 2nd is the deadline
for being on the ballot. And then once you're on the ballot, it's going to be a few weeks for the
voting period. As soon as the deadline is up for nominations, the voting period starts. And
that's, you know, I haven't confirmed exactly how long the voting
period is gonna be yet you know that's something I need to coordinate with
Jesse there might be already a predetermined time could be two weeks
and then in two weeks we would have a new set of guardians so that sounds
great so we're looking at some time in june at this at this point correct awesome
is it once a month the guardians have to meet up correct yeah we we we did it um
Correct. Yeah, we did it once a week, sorry, once a month prior.
And I think maybe six months earlier, we decided to move it to one time per month about six months ago.
Prior to that, we were doing it twice a month.
But we still communicate on like Telegram, on Signal. We keep our channels pretty open and communicate on any type of progress.
And then we talk to John as much as we can.
We used to talk to Lee before.
And so it's really about maintaining communication with the CEO.
And yeah, we pretty much oversee the TF and make sure everything is going smoothly.
Let me see, there seems to be someone with some trouble here. I'm gonna... So, Albert, you have your once a month meeting and then you have your more constant, more frequent conversations over Telegram in text format.
Correct.
We keep pretty open line of communication throughout the week.
And then once a month, based off of schedule, we meet up.
Usually we have a Teams meeting where it's recorded.
And we have meeting minutes that we refer to if we need to.
But yeah, that's been what we've been doing.
My tenor is almost up.
It goes up in January.
So I've been doing this for a year and a half now.
Stefano is in the same position.
By January, we're going to have two more open seats.
And then there will be another election during that time.
That sounds good.
I know quite a few of the candidates are kind of running on transparency
and accountability and so on, like Rosa, WDude, and a few others.
So I'm wondering, are you going to be publishing the minutes,
the meeting minutes in a blog format once a month?
Or would you even be open to kind of doing the
meetings fully recorded and then post it out as a video i think there's been something done
like that in the past right so um you know that's something that needs to be discussed because you
know in some cases we're under DA and we, you know,
we haven't released meeting minutes prior.
So this would have to be a kind of group decision,
something that the TF is also aligned with for us to do something that
aligns with community.
Yeah.
I mean,
if the opportunity allows for us to do it,
then we could open it up.
At least, maybe not the video itself,
but at least having a published meeting minutes
that, you know, demonstrates what we talked about,
what we went through, and go from there.
I think that'll be worthwhile.
It would keep everyone updated with what's going on
and show what the Guardians are thinking
so they can align themselves with the community.
Absolutely.
Okay, so I'm waiting for one more person to jump on.
Jao, I see you're in the room.
If you could request to speak just so we could have you on the floor. Thank you. All right, I think we have our three speakers here.
We got Alberto, we got Jao from Kudo, and we also have cosmic innovative um i guess i'm curious cosmic
innovative what do you want us to call you uh my real name is ryan so apologies just to put my
my company name out there awesome yeah no problem i just wanted to know um i guess what you're comfortable
with the community knowing you by uh ryan from uh cosmic innovative we have jow who has been
leading kudo uh they've been a part of native uh for a long time uh they have a awesome gaming
platform they're a block producer and we we have Alberto, which I think is
one of our Guardian's brothers, if I'm not mistaken. Welcome, you guys.
So we can get started off the bat. Why don't we use this opportunity for you guys to introduce yourself to the community um maybe talk about your
web 3 experience crypto experience if you have business experience you know the whole point of
the guardians board is that we have real life professionals here not just um you know people
that are successful in web 3 but we want people that are
kind of multifaceted um and obviously we emphasize people with web 3 crypto experience so
we want to hear about your experience what do you bring to the table um and so yeah why don't you
um you know jow why don't you start it off it off? I'm eager for you to introduce yourself to the community because I know what you do.
But why don't you explain to the community what you do and where your experience comes from?
Jao, I don't think maybe you might be having some technical issues.
Why don't we move on to, I guess, Ryan, if you don't mind starting it off.
Sure.
First off, I just want to thank everybody for their time and allowing me to introduce myself and speak and kind of take the initiative here.
A little bit of background about myself. I've been in crypto for quite some time.
Same with the EOSIO kind of, you know, ecosystem as part of the original EOSIPO.
you know ecosystem was part of the original uh eos ipo so i've been around the the tech stack for
quite some time um have not been really um engaged with the community at a certain level just kind of
behind the scenes doing uh my own business activities along with just like normal work over
the years so uh i um i'm a little bit older maybe than most. I think I'm certainly not the oldest, but I've been around technology and kind of obsessed with it my whole entire life.
I started at eight years old with a Commodore 64 and never looked back.
A little bit more just about me personally is I run a tech consulting company called Cosmic Innovative.
Prior to that, I've been heavily involved in e-commerce for the last 12 years.
And yeah, so I bring some business.
I bring some Web3.
I bring some heavy technical background, both in architecture and engineering, that kind of thing.
As far as Web3 goes specifically, I've had a few projects I won't go into in the past.
Specifically for Telos, I'm working on two different initiatives,
specifically around bringing new users to the platform that are non-crypto users,
kind of trying to really bridge that gap of Web 2 and Web 3.
I'll leave it at that.
I'll take up too much time.
Great.
Thank you, Ryan.
Real quickly, I mean, I know you mentioned that you are,
I guess you worked with engineers or designers.
I actually come from an architecture background as well.
Is that what your company, Cosmic Innovative, is innovation as part of?
Like, is that what you do?
Yes, absolutely.
Yeah, we help like early stage startups and founders kind and founders set their pace.
Even larger teams, too.
We can come in and help them.
A lot of people are familiar with it.
They've been in a technical team for maybe 5-10 years.
That stacks up.
We come in and help offer new perspective.
Great. That's great to hear. Cool. Alberto,
why don't you tell us about yourself and your experience in Web3?
Okay. Right. So thank you for having me.
I'm Alberto, Stephanos Brothers, that right now is in the Guardian team, as you know,
I'm Alberto, Stephanos brothers,
probably.
Let me introduce myself.
I'm from Italy.
I don't know if you can hear my accent.
I'm not so fluent in English, but I'm trying to improve my skills, my speaking skills.
So I entered crypto and Web3 space in 2020.
I was inspired by some friends and my brother.
And I've been an early investor and an active participant in social fi I don't know if you if you remember a platform like
Apix and I will start from from there from the basics with my brother we confounded in italy one of the first crypto educational community like a school
we were hosting events for hundreds of hundreds of people and then since
late 2020 i've also been a long-term investor in and supportive of telos blockchain
investor in and supportive of telos blockchain let me talk about a little bit of my background
i study accounting and business in school and i was a professional swimmer as a as a hobby and
as a hobby and also with my brother we have co-founded a team of 60 people in
in network marketing as a as a worker full-time job we have generated over 4
million in sales and thousands of customers so we were managing a team of people.
We were speaking and organizing events,
so both online and online.
And yeah, that's pretty much by my side.
That's great. Thank you so much for that, Alberto.
Giao, why don't you...
Hey, glad to have you on.
Thank you. Thank you for having me.
Of course. So yeah, why don't you give a brief intro about yourself
and some of your experience?
Of course.
So my name is João.
Very hard name to pronounce in English.
I know.
Even you call me João.
It's João.
It's like John in English.
So I'm into blockchain since 2016.
I'm into blockchain since 2016 and back then I was the CEO and founder of a company that was helping other companies to innovate and since 2017 I've been helping to that company, other companies to innovate and to try to understand how they could move
into the web free space and by developing proof of concepts together with them and for
them.
In 2018, me and my co-founder, Iona, we have created Blockbusters, which is the company
behind Qudo.
Qudo, I will reach to that later.
But so we created Qudo by then.
It was in 2018, seven years of development.
So what Qudo is, it's a gaming platform.
We like to call ourselves the Web3 incubator
for indie games, the smaller games and by then in 2018 we were looking
for the best blockchain to to to deploy on our our testnet for our testnet and and back then
um things were different of course and we found eos and we started deploying there on their jungle
net if i'm not mistaken and soon we realized that there
were some other other projects uh based on the same iso protocol and we we got to know the people
behind telos and telos and since 2020 we are actually on telos testnet uh it's kind of by
coincidence of us now discussing here the guardians spot but kudo is going to launch in june
later in june uh this year um on the mainnet and with that of course i mean on the telos mainnet
so it's kind of a coincidence and and so yeah i i have this experience of managing companies
I have this experience of managing companies, businesses, both on the normal traditional
space when it comes to IT, of course.
And more recently, of course, since 2018 with Qdo and with Blockbusters, yeah, we know all the details of or all the hurdles along the years of how to manage a
crypto token and how to how to look for the the all the challenge and overcome them and one of
the things that I found quite interesting back then in Telos and still
is the community part, which is not so common amongst other projects where basically have a
committee and that's it. In here we are used to have our voice and to listen and to, in easy steps,
to listen and to, in easy steps, get to talk with the people that are in charge, let's call it like
that. And that was quite interesting for me and for us at Kudo. And I know that we are now going
through some challenges. And for that reason, I think, I believe I can help to be one of the guardians. And that's the reason why I'm applying.
That's great. Thank you so much for that. Absolutely. So like you're spot on about
Telos being all about community. And there's always been a collaborative effort when it
comes to community, because the whole point of bringing in a community together is that people
bring their ideas they bring their perspective on what they want to see what their criticisms are
and I think that's kind of the the aspect that could really help improve Telos in multiple ways. And I guess leading up to this next question,
it's, you know, I want, I'm curious to know, you know, what type of unique skills you guys bring
to Telos, something that we can work with, collaborate with, you know, something that might help us distinguish differences on perspective here.
So I'm eager to hear what you think is a unique skill that you bring to Telos
and how that could be beneficial to our ecosystem and to the board.
Jao, just because you were the last one, why don't we keep
continuing from there?
Of course. I don't know
if it's a unique
skill or not. I can only talk by myself
for myself.
I'm experienced
in the industry
not only on the web
space, but also on the innovation,
IT innovation space.
Used to manage a company, the finance, talking like being kind of a business developer as well,
exploring partnerships, dealing with all kinds of people from developer, from business developer,
from basically all sorts of people from developer from from from business developer from all basically all sorts of people and i believe that uh telos also needs that and uh on a different scale and uh with
with the different kind of organization but i think that would certainly help. That's great.
Also, I apologize.
I know you mentioned that your name is Joao.
So I'm going to...
I was kidding, man.
I'm quite used to Joao.
No, but I want to practice to make sure it's correct.
So I'm glad that you pointed that out.
that out. I want to make sure everybody knows. So I'll be working on that. And Alberto, why
I want to make sure everybody knows.
So I'll be working on that.
don't you tell us about some of the unique skills that you could bring to the Telos board?
Yes. So for me, it's important to see what community says about Tilos. So
I think one of
my skills, unique skills
that I can bring to
the Guardian team is
to grow communities
through trust,
through clear
communication.
And I think
that Guardians needs to be a glue from a community to
to TF to the CEO to connect people to inspire with action to build trust so one of my goals is to create an environment,
a peaceful environment,
and to work all together through a common goal.
Awesome. No, that's great.
Cool. So Ryan, if you don't mind also giving us your set of skills.
Absolutely. And I don't necessarily maybe think it's unique, certainly in this space.
But I again, I bring a highly technical background that's been my entire life is in different technical aspects.
Where I think I can shine and help the community is it's no secret that the architecture of Telos at its core,
and specifically native, is very complicated.
Resource model is even difficult for a lot of crypto people to grasp.
And I think that we kind of focus on really like weeding through all the technicalities
ourselves and then bring a clarity to that, to the masses.
a clarity to that, to the masses.
And kind of my goal, I think, is to share that
and to kind of open up the gates to the rest of the web,
not only just Web3,
but really get in the masses of the users.
I don't think that crypto has been embraced yet.
We keep trying to chase the users.
And we kind of frame that as the users being crypto people right now.
I think the true user base is non-crypto people.
And in order to get them here, I think we need to drastically simplify all the technicalities behind it.
And that's my main goal.
Absolutely.
No, that's a great point.
And I think it's a great lead up to our next question
because I know this is where it gets really juicy for us
as we're kind of learning about each candidate
is that, you know, what can you share some of the
ideas that you have that can improve Telos and grow Telos? Like, I completely agree that
we need to be appealing to non-crypto people, which also means that we have to push for adoption,
means that we have to push for adoption, right?
So how do you think, you know, what are some ideas that come to your mind on how we could
improve and grow Telos?
Sure.
One of the, I think one of the, just a quick point is that we won't talk about like the
tokens that are been brought into existence or minted in here
and that, but one of the things that's unique about Telos and our system is that the tokens
represent the resources and it's computing resources. And so as a developer, when I look
at it and we talk about burning those resources
to appeal to the wider crypto community,
like, hey, now we're in deflationary system.
I look at that as like, well, we need to put those resources to use.
And what that means really is that we can outreach to developers, provide them with a base stake that resupplies every day.
And meaning that the resource model
of Telus Native allows that,
and provide them a stable working platform
that they can build upon,
that they don't have to worry about ongoing fees just to develop.
I think that if we can provide a real clear pathway and
more of a foundation for the developers to build upon,
and they don't even need to worry about necessarily
the technical parts of it then i think that can
really help adoption that's great um yeah that's a good answer um okay alberto um what can you share
some of your ideas on how we can help telos improve and grow yeah sure so i think that in those days through our telegram channel of
our telegram group we saw a lot of good ideas but we have to understand which one is we can
understand which one we can adopt,
so which one we can improve in the TELOS ecosystem.
To push adoption,
I would invest in consistent marketing
because I think it's the basic of every business.
We need to invest
a little bit
a constant marketing
that needs to be
done every day
on X
on Telegram
every DApps that we
already have needs to improve so not so much but we have to to
start from the ground improve what we have focus on community and and create how can I say
and create a stronger community.
That's the main goal.
Because without a community, you can have the best ideas,
but the project will be dead without community.
So yeah, we'll improve for sure marketing
and push what we already have okay great um joao
why don't you um tell us about some of your ideas on how we could help telos improve and grow
of course i mean uh they were kind of already mentioned I think two great
pillars of a project like
Telos are the technical
parts and the marketing
part
in my opinion and also from
a project
or a developer standpoint
that runs on Telos
I think Telos has a great
architecture and technology and keeps on pushing
further so never stopped we always have new things coming and keep they keep on coming
and so i think on on that point we cannot just decelerate we need just to continue at least at the same pace and with same technical capacity or even more.
What I believe is Telos is lacking and the competition is fierce.
I mean, there are so many networks out there.
I think it's on the marketing, yes, but everybody does marketing, right?
And it's also on the marketing yes but everybody does marketing right and then and it's also on the partnerships
i think partnerships are quite important um partnering with other uh projects trying to
make them come to telos doesn't necessarily mean on an exclusive basis but stepping into telos
on an exclusive basis, but stepping into Telos, doing things with other projects in Telos,
I think that's quite key.
So not taking any value on what my colleagues have just mentioned.
I think it's quite important, just adding the part of the partnerships.
I think it's quite important.
Yeah, no, it's a great point.
And I completely agree and align with these initiatives. I think
the whole point is to create a robust ecosystem, an ecosystem where applications, communities
kind of work with each other. And so we can always go to marketing, which is great to kind of put
awareness out. But at the same time, you need to have something to market. We obviously have
the products that we have. But if we have a growing ecosystem, if we have, you know,
If we have communities that are, I guess, collaborating together and growing together, that becomes a bigger thing to market.
Then, you know, it becomes a lot more attractive.
So I agree that I think we need to be pushing for more of these aspects, specifically collaboration with other communities and
applications, and also eventually go into marketing because I know people have wanted
marketing or at least they wanted more marketing and better marketing always. I think we could always improve our marketing and it comes
from acknowledging that but at the same time we always put an emphasis are on
our products so it's important that we continue to innovate and we continue to
grow our products so that when we do market we have things to you know to
show I guess you know I'm curious you, there's been a lot of proposals,
a lot of talk in the governance chat. And I guess I want to use this as like a, you know,
last opportunity to see like, what are some of the core values that each of these, each of you guys,
What are some of the core values that each of these, each of you guys, you know, I know we talked about what you bring to the table from your skill sets. should exist, how it should operate with alignment with the community, with alignment with the
Telos Foundation, coordinating with the CEO.
You know, how do you guys envision the board working with the Telos Foundation, working
with the community in a very cohesive fashion, I guess, like an ideal world.
So if you don't mind, Zhao, you know, if you could kind of explain
what you think would be an ideal environment that we could create for Telos.
I mean, ideal is just the ideal, right? I perhaps want to see things in a more achievable or tangible way. I've seen, of course, I've tried to follow, it's quite hard, but I've tried to follow up on everything that has been said and mentioned and all the hurdles that telos has recently suffered from
and i i find it quite uh unacceptable honestly too that uh we there's lack of communication between
between at least between the guardians and the ceo uh it shouldn't work like that um
It shouldn't work like that.
We feel like the ship is in some sort of direction that nobody really knows.
We had just an idea and there's no way to talk with the skipper.
And that for me is kind of frightening.
And so I'll really wish to correct that.
That's quite important.
That's perhaps one of the most important things,
because, yeah, if we have a CEO, he's quite such an important role.
But I believe that the Guardians also have the responsibility
to make sure that everything is aligned between the community,
the CEO, and all the aspects within the organization.
And so I'll perhaps put some efforts on trying to improve this.
Nothing is perfect, but at least make it substantially better.
And also something that I believe is I've seen some people also suggesting that it should always be some sort of a delegation
like Telos has it in its own consensus mechanism
for a certain committee.
And that's where the guardians are to establish the bridge
to also kind of filter out some of the things.
And of course, being fair towards the community
of course not hiding important stuff
but yeah some filtering always needs to be done in my opinion
Absolutely, no, that's great. Alberto, do you mind
sharing your thoughts on this?
Yeah, sure. It's an important question
because for me,
the ideal environment for Tilos
is to be as open as possible,
transparent.
So we need people
that need to be honest with the other people and collaborate with each other.
So the CEO, the TF, the Guardian community needs to be transparent and collaborative with everyone.
Also with block producer, developers.
So I think we need an open communication,
as said by Joao,
and work together for a common goal.
And it's important for me that CEO NTF listen to community,
listen to developers to block producer and then we all together we we find that we we will find a better solution for all the telos ecosystem
the best way of course is with uh da, but we have to start from somewhere and then improve step by step.
That's great.
Ryan, why don't you tell us what you think, what do you envision an ideal situation for Telos?
Yeah, absolutely. an ideal situation for telos yeah absolutely uh i don't want to be too repetitive on what my
colleagues have just said because obviously uh we need a system that's as transparent as possible
um you know and and to operate but we also like jow said we it it has to be delegated
you can't put everything up to vote.
You can't, there was really no point in doing even what we're doing here if everything's
just up to vote and debate and everything else.
In order to operate functional, we have to have that group of people that communicates,
but then also then does disperse the information to the wider community.
I think that has been a problem in the past.
It's a tough thing because even Telos itself right now,
we're actively advertising ourselves as an incubator.
And I kind of think that that's what we're experiencing internally too.
It seems like we have fragmentation all over the place.
We're incubating various different high-level initiatives, and it's not really a clear roadmap.
And I would like to do what we can to help bring that about the best way possible.
Oh, that's great. Thank you, Ryan. All right. Well, you know,
we're about to wrap things up.
Why don't we give you guys one last opportunity,
very short brief on why the Telos community should vote for you.
And, you know, this will be our closing remarks.
And then once you guys give your statement,
I'll remind everybody of the process
and then we can wrap up the call.
Ryan, why don't you start?
Yeah, sure.
Thanks everybody again for your time and listening.
Again, just for what I bring to the table is a deep technical background that goes back decades.
I'm not saying I know everything by any means, but I'm very capable of quickly understanding and then, you know, taking that information and making it actionable and clear to other stakeholders that may not
be technical.
I look forward to helping bring some transparency to the project as well.
And again, thanks.
Great.
Thank you so much.
Alberto, if you don't mind closing remarks.
Yes. if you don't mind closing remarks yes so
closing remark by my side is
what I bring to the Telos community
in two or three sentences
maybe I can
so I can bring my
past leadership as managing a team of 60 people.
So, yeah, I'm part of the community from the beginning.
So I saw Tilos grow within this year.
I will bring my ability to connect people, ideas, and bring action,
and also listening to everybody make a peaceful environment to work with and to push for real
growth.
So, yeah, that's it by my side.
So, thank you, everyone.
And Joao, if you don't mind, can you provide your closing remark as well?
Of course.
Thank you guys for being listening.
And also thank you, Narek, for hosting.
Yeah, I believe I can bring my experience, like my colleagues.
I think we will be a few guardians, so different profiles should do a proper mix, right?
So by voting, I think people should also take into consideration what are the different kind of profiles needed and vote for them.
I believe that I'm kind of multidisciplinary because, yeah, I used to manage teams and also do business development.
because yeah, I used to manage teams
and also do business development.
And quite important, I really skin on the game
because we are just about to launch on the mainnet product
that has been on Telos since 2020.
And so I'm the more, I'm so much, it's so much important for me
that Telos strives
because we run on Telos.
And so I'm here to do the best for Telos and also for Qo.
That's amazing.
Thank you, guys.
Thank you so much, everybody, for joining.
I do want to remind everybody about the process
so that we're fully transparent here.
Nominations are open on native.
So that means if you are here, if you're serious about running, you need to nominate yourself
on native.
You need to be on the ballot before June 2nd so that once June 2nd deadline approaches
and passes, the ballot is closed.
And whoever's on the ballot are the only ones that could be voted in as guardians.
So June 2nd is the deadline.
And then from June 2nd, and I believe we're going to I'm going to work it out with Jesse
to confirm exactly the voting duration. I believe it's two
weeks. There will be a two-week voting period where we're going to constantly ask the community
to vote, try to get a high vote turnout is very important. And then, you know, by mid-June,
towards the end of June, we'll have our new set of guardians um again thank you everybody
for joining i hope this was really helpful and uh can you hear me uh yes hey hey michael
how are you hi everyone good hey um you're kind of jumping in at the end of the i know i apologize
so is it too late for me to just introduce myself and give a couple words?
No, I mean, if you don't mind, I mean, we can give you a quick minute to kind of, if
you don't mind going through the gamut here and giving us a brief intro.
Tell us about your skills.
your skills, what you think that Telos can improve on, and I guess an ideal environment,
Sure.
What you think that Telos can improve on.
then we can wrap it up.
I wish you'd join sooner.
I apologize.
I had a couple of things standing in front of this.
Hi, everyone.
I'm Michael Deselidis.
I'm pretty active in the governance channel.
I've been involved with Telos since 2019.
I was pretty much an enthusiast.
And briefly also worked at the foundation.
But prior to that, I'm in my 50s, studied finance, got into the dot-com bubble, pretty much left finance. And I started a hosting
company with a buddy. We were reselling, hosting, built up the company, sold it, launched a real
estate software company that we ended up selling as well. And, then I've been heavily involved in real estate,
restaurants, all sorts of retail projects.
I've been pretty much successful operating in New York City
for over two decades now.
Been through my share of lawsuits,
been through my share of audits.
I've really just been through all of it and you know I can definitely bring a lot to the table
as far as making decisions and giving guidance to the team as to what they should be doing next.
Can you ask me some of the other questions you're mentioning, Rick?
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, if you don't mind sharing some of your ideas on how we could grow and help improve Telos.
Yeah.
So I also have somewhat of a tech background because, you know, I self-taught myself at the time ColdFusion and SQL and some JavaScript. And, you know, I'm really familiar with, you know,
how a lot of coding works, not particularly blockchain.
And as far as Telos goes, I mean,
I've read everything there is to read about it.
And, you know, like I said, I've been here since 2019.
He's also director of PR for about a year plus for the foundation.
You know, I was also director of PR for about a year plus for the foundation.
You know, I kind of understand all the inner workings as to, you know,
how it's, how things are flowing on the backend,
or at least how they were flowing on the backend.
You know, as far as tomorrow goes for this chain,
I would not like to see it operating with the CEO. You know, specifically, it's just not decentralized.
It goes against the grain as far as, you know, decentralization goes.
And I think it would be in far better hands if there were guardians directing and offering redundancy and, you know, some just, you know, counterbalance to one another, making the decisions as to what the change should be doing next.
And, you know, primarily, more than anything for me, the most important thing is scarcity and, you know, becoming deflationary.
Everything else takes second to it,
including decentralization.
Not that we should ever give up our decentralization,
but without being deflationary,
without becoming deflationary, it's over.
The chain is not sustainable
and needs to be able to sustain itself
and becoming deflationary creates become, creates its own gravity,
you know,
and its own magnetism to,
to people who want to park Telos in their wallet.
You know,
you need that for this to,
you know,
take the next step and become more deflationary or,
you know,
grow your,
you know,
your community or whatever it is we're going to do,
you know,
but I think there's,
there's better tactics as far as business goes
for Telos to spread its wings and, you know, become sustainable.
You know, an example would be creating Telos X as a, you know,
as a DEX versus SX.
And, you know, by doing so, you know,
those fees can come right to the chain
or creating some kind of, you know, lending program,
you know, the same thing, you know,
where the fees again are coming to the chain.
You know, we have to start thinking beyond our gas fees
and our gas fees must be increased as well.
I mean, there's so many things that I
can dive into with this and, you know, it's, I guess for a later date, but, you know, I think
that ultimately it has to be about deflationary. Okay. Yeah. I mean, this is all great info here. I like your perspective. I guess, why don't you
give, I want to give you the chance to kind of give a closing remark on why someone,
why the Telos community should vote for you, one, and if you don't mind, maybe prior to that,
is telling us that you kind of mentioned this this about the ideal situation for Telos of not having a CEO, for example.
So I guess if you don't mind elaborating on that a little bit and then also just giving your closing remark.
When this chain was first created, it wasn't designed to ever have a CEO.
When this chain was first created, it wasn't designed to ever have a CEO.
I'm not sure when that came into play exactly, but I've been here since Suvi was here.
But it should never...
I think we lost you there, Michael.
You there?
Yeah, I can hear you. can you tell me what you last
heard sorry i had a call uh right when you said um you you were here since suvi was here yes yeah
yeah and i don't know why it ever took that direction it should never have gone down that
that path it should have always stayed where the board was directing what should happen next.
This became a wannabe corporation and it should have never happened. It's far better
run as a DAO, as a decentralized chain, not having a CEO in place.
a CEO in place. That doesn't mean that you can't have somebody who's the main operator,
but not the main decision maker. Should I ask the question?
Yeah, no, that's good. And yeah, if you don't mind giving your closing remark on why
the community should vote for you yeah i've been a
die-hard enthusiast of telos since since day one of coming in here and discovering the chain um you
know december 2019 you know and you know i've turned a lot of people on to it um you know as
an investment and you know telos just has so much to offer, you know,
it just needs to learn how to fly, you know, and, you know, it needs a team in there who understands
how money is generated, you know, and it's not, you know, obviously it's a non-profit,
but, you know, that money being generated can turn into other things. It can turn into funding
for the chain. It can turn into, you know, you know, burning and, you know, being deflationary for the chain. But ultimately, it can't be about,
you know, burning through money, you know, it has to, we have to create a foundation,
a foundation, you know, structural foundation, that's solid, that, you know, we can build on,
you know, and the problem is, you know, we don't have that right now. There's, you know, there's no legs to this project.
You know, not technically speaking, technically it's superior, but, you know, the governance part of it,
you know, not, again, even not the governance part, the economic fiscal part of this needs to get fixed first
before anything else can.
No, I agree.
No, that's great.
Thank you so much, Michael, for jumping on last minute.
I'm glad that you...
Yes, sorry.
At least, you know, put your voice out there
for the community to hear you
and learn more about you.
I think this is very important.
Unfortunately, we have to wrap it up.
I wish we had even more
candidates jumping on, but I think with the scheduling of these, it's not so easy.
But yeah, look, let's not forget, please nominate yourselves on Native. Please make sure to do that
before June 2nd so that you can at least be on the ballot for voting. There are
five seats. Once June 2nd passes, that's when the voting period starts. And by, you know,
middle of June, sometime in June, we're going to have a new board. So that team, that group is
going to start paving the way for Telosos's direction and i think this is a very
pivotal moment for us so i encourage everybody to get involved vote and let's really um choose
a bright future for telos again thank you everybody for joining until next time take care thank you Take care. Thank you
