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The Wale Show w/ Cerebro
Recorded: Aug. 20, 2025 Duration: 0:51:40Space Recording
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Thank you. Thank you. another episode of the whale show we're on wednesday today usually we do friday but uh it's a special special occasion i think you can we can just say that
uh we got cerebron today to talk a little bit about their mint
um kind of what the plans are um upcoming roadmaps so we have maverick already on stage
shiffle chan is in a few minutes as well. He's running a few minutes late. So for now, it's only me hosting.
But, Mav, welcome to the show.
How are you doing?
I'm good.
How are you doing?
Doing good.
Good to have you on today.
By the way, for the audience, we're giving a few whitelist bots away.
So if you want to win, like, and retreat the space in the bottom right corner,
maybe drop a question for the team space in the bottom right corner, maybe drop a question for the team.
Also in the bottom right corner, maybe where Shiv dropped his comment.
We'll ask a few of them during the show.
You can also request.
We'll add a few people up on stage.
So feel free to request.
Maybe you may have probably wait for shift to to come on uh for the people
who don't know you like not see we probably gotta go to that in a second but for the people who
don't know you yet can you give us like a little background on who you are when you entered crypto
kind of how you how you ended up here so so um i'm born and bred in Singapore. I did my uni over here.
And then I worked in a bunch of companies
in the areas of consumer goods and biotech.
I got into crypto sometime in 2017,
but I only became a lot more vocal
and grew my presence on X in 2021
with all of the NFT mania that we all witnessed.
But, you know, it led me into a whole new world
where I was advising projects, investing,
and also understanding all of these different Web3 ecosystems.
I then went full-time Web3 in 2023, so about two years now.
Oh, one second. I was just renaming the space
when you start talking.
I'll get to that in a second.
Interesting, I think we've known each other
for a while.
I think
for the people who've been in the space for a while,
especially on the NFT side,
they know you as well.
You have some really interesting kind of lore
on kind of stuff you did before Cerepro on the NFT side.
So maybe you can share that as well.
So I think before I was a founder,
I was a trader and an angel investor.
So I did a lot of things that i think most people here do which is buy sell trade nfts but i also invested in a lot of projects some good
some not so good uh yeah so that's a bit about my backstory and how i operate in the space
amazing and i see shiv up here shiv good to have you on as co-host again.
How are you doing?
Good, good.
But I'm sure not just me, the entire space,
which is you went back on vacation, Wales.
You know, literally over the weekend, my bags were good.
I was feeling good.
I was supposed to, I was in Mykonos and Greece.
I was like, damn, life's good right now.
I see a tweet from Whale
I'm coming back
and my bags are red
yeah
but listen
you know what
we're giving this
cerebral space to make up for it
we're giving away
five wireless watts
I feel good
so I'll min this in
I'll min this in
24 hours
Will
I think we can crowd fun
a vacation for you
if everyone just drops
I don't know
50, 100 bucks
to send you away
now listen i did it for the people people were i saw people a few people complained about uh
mint price so i said okay we can change the mint price but we can change the eth price so i want to
right let it drop a little bit so now mint is is way cheaper so I did it for people, you know. I'm just like that.
No, but Jeff, good to be on again.
I don't know when we did the last show, probably with Kaido,
three weeks ago before I went for vacation.
But yeah, we're on again today to talk a little bit about
3Pro, the upcoming Mint, kind of what they're doing.
It's been all over the timeline the last few weeks.
It started kind of with the launch of the platform.
I saw a lot of people getting involved there.
And then a couple of, not a couple, I think one or two weeks ago,
maybe you announced a minute.
But yeah, Shiv, please go.
Yeah, I just want to give some background.
I remember when me and Mav first jumped on the floor it was a couple months ago we were talking about
basically me and him got wrecked on this ai project we invested in so they stopped giving
us our tokens mav if you remember um and so yeah yeah we got robbed we actually got wrong they
stopped giving our tokens out so me me and Matt jumped on the call,
just catching up and he's telling me about Cerebro. And I was like, this is something that we've been needing for quite some time as this ecosystem expands.
I have like four or five wallet extensions and whatnot. I have so many different funds everywhere.
Tracking it is immensely tough, especially with the volatility in the space. And I think this is
a tool that everyone needs. If you're a high high volume trader you have so many wallets or someone who's just starting out managing
and practicing your portfolio it could be a simple thing but you simply don't have it so i'm very
very excited for the future of cerebro and obviously we're here right now um just for the wireless
amazing yeah so maybe to to start uh can you give us like an intro of uh i think shift already
told us a little bit about it but maybe for people who don't know um outside of the mint
we'll get to that in a second um what is the repo like as a as a platform and why do you think people
should care for me i can just segue a bit and try share a bit about how it even came to being.
And I think that adds a lot of context around the product and why it's needed.
So as I said earlier, I went full-time Web3 in 2023.
And one of the big things I realized immediately was that it's almost impossible to track all of my assets.
It's almost impossible to aggregate them across chains, across different
depths, across protocols, and to do it in an accurate way that makes sense. And on top of that,
a lot of the existing trackers don't give much insight beyond the numbers itself. So for example,
you pull up an existing tracker, it shows you you're up or you're down. It doesn't give any
context around why are you up, why are you down. It doesn't help you manage risk. It doesn't help you think around
portfolio optimization. It doesn't give you context around how indexed you are across different
sectors, how positioned you are. And that's why I started Cerebro, right? So I wanted to build a
platform that's very smart, that's very adaptable, that also engages the user in a very personalized way.
And that's why it's very different, I would say, than a regular portfolio tracker.
I'd like to say that Cerebro is really a next-gen portfolio manager where you can track, grow, and optimize your crypto portfolios with AI.
Amazing. Amazing.
Yeah, and I tried it for a while now.
I don't know if we can share it,
but there was a secret Siri Brau group chat
before you guys were live.
But I've been part of that for a while.
So I really like how you build it.
Shiv, you already said you're using it,
but anything that stood out to you
when you started using it?
I think crypto as functionality
has always had so much friction, right?
Unless you're crypto native,
you're not understanding most of the dApps
within this space, especially portfolio tracking, right?
And I think for most people, especially over the last year,
we had some normally normies enter in.
You've got to understand to make the UI, UX very simple to understand.
As simple as importing my wallets in very easily
and then just tracking it and the wallet connect with Swire.
None of that, none of the friction.
Just simply enter my wallet in,
and I can instantly start tracking my portfolio.
That zero to one,
it's taken so long to get to that point.
And with Cerebro,
the multiple wallet tracker,
it's made life so much easier
when it comes to the fluctuation of the market.
So I think the number one thing
is how clean the UI, UX have been.
Mad, we want to speak on that.
I'd love to hear about it.
Yeah, so I think in designing the app, right, what we wanted it to do is to be as frictionless
as possible.
So unlike most other websites or platforms, you don't have to connect your wallet.
your wallet. You don't have to feel forced to do things that you don't want to do.
You don't have to feel forced to do things that you don't want to do.
It was built really to be very centered around allowing people to be very comfortable
without having to compromise on their own privacy. So you just throw in any wallet,
BTC, EVM, SVM, HVM, and we'll be adding the rest shortly thereafter. You can see very clearly
adding the rest shortly thereafter, you can see very clearly how indexed you are across different
chains, different protocols, and also how are you exposed on a sectorial point of view, right? So a
lot of times, like, you know, we know we have, let's say, 50k in stables, but we don't understand
or we don't really know what that represents as a total percentage of our portfolio. Yeah. So we have just been very intentional in building out the app.
And I think that the reason why we were able to do it in that way
is because we are deep crypto natives.
This is a problem that we ourselves face.
And so we are building it really for ourselves, right?
So we know that we want to use it.
So it has to be built in such a way.
Yeah.
Yeah. And that's a lot of like really ogs on the timeline uh supporting it and using it i think a couple of them also uh invested in uh into repro early um or at least have been been supporting
for a while so i think as you said it it comes really from a team or from people who are
actually in the space and know kind of what people want or what people need from a wallet
tracker when it comes to functionality. Tell us a little bit about the rollout. I don't know how many people remember,
but the originally public launch for Cerebro
was kind of with these gems that you guys were giving out
for people to sign up, also for referrals.
I had a few very nice gems on referrals.
I think it was the first time when you really went to the public.
How looking like it uses,
because I assume every time you give out some rewards,
even though I don't think you told us yet what these gems will be used for,
but I think every time you give something out,
people assume there's maybe some airdrop here.
So I'm pretty sure there will be,
or there was, maybe you can tell us about that, some activity or some attempt to bot it, maybe to increase user numbers.
So how was the initial rollout?
Did it go as you expected?
How did users' numbers look like when you compared from day one to now?
Yeah, so I think when we first launched, we generally didn't expect to be so overwhelmed.
Like I think internally, our projections were about 2,000 to 3,000 users, maybe if we were
lucky.
But we hit about 20,000 users on day one.
and we have been growing about a thousand users every day.
And we have been growing about 1,000 users every day.
Some days, no, a thousand users now,
but in the first few weeks, it was exponential, right?
And now, I mean, when I just did my refresh check
a couple of hours ago, we are over 200,000 users.
But I got to say this in context, right?
There are definitely farmers.
There are definitely bots.
But that being said you know
two-thirds out of that 200 000 users have an ethos score right so it allows us a way in which
we can measure and track for authenticity and i don't want to brag so much about the
total number of users but just looking at the daily active users we are close to about 20 30
000 every single day um and I think that's fairly impressive.
If I recall correctly, Axiom,
which is the trading terminal I'm most used to
and like a lot,
they have about 40,000 daily active users.
So yeah, I think we have been growing super fast.
A lot of people have been talking about us all organically.
We haven't spent a single dollar in marketing, which is great.
I think Will would be a very expensive person
if we were to try to engage our services.
But yeah.
Very expensive.
And Shiv is probably, he has his hand up.
Shiv, go ahead.
Yeah, I love that.
By the way, congratulations on the amount of users you have.
I know you said some of them might be bots,
but even reaching such metrics is something to be proud of.
Now, on the platform, you have different levels of the subscription model.
If you want to break it down, obviously, the different tiers,
why they cater to certain users and whatnot.
So just to start with, right, so that everybody knows, if you really want to index the blockchain and do it in a very accurate and high-performance way, it's actually very expensive.
So just to start with, so that everybody knows,
And those who do it within our industry, they know that, right?
And what that means is that we couldn't make everything free
um so we have as you mentioned right different tiers we have the light plan the base plan and
the pro plan um the light plan caters to people who have uh you know considerable amount of wallets
but not that many about 10 wallets and then base plan i believe is 25 and then um for the pro plan you go
all the way up to about 100 wallets so it's really catering to different users needs and ones um
and you know we ran like kind of an internal poll with the cerebral 100 people and the average
number of wallets um that are you sorry, the average user has about five
wallets, right? I mean, there's a lot of talks about dozens and hundreds of wallets, but that's
mainly for the people who are like, you know, doing a lot of degenment. So the average person
has about five wallets. We give three now. I'm not supposed to share this out yet, but we are
looking to get an increase in the number of limits for the
free as well as paid users.
Because we want to eventually
get to a place where
people don't have to pay
for subscriptions, or pay
that much for subscriptions. We probably
need to for the higher
tiered users, but as much as possible,
we want it to be free.
Will that, and i think that's what
people have been speculating about like will uh the subscription model be one of like the utilities
for for nfts because i think we saw a few like platforms where if you made the nft it's kind of
like your lifetime subscription to to the platform is it the direction you're going in as well
to the platform.
Is it the direction
you're going in as well?
No, to be honest, no.
I've heard some people
talk about it
not only on the timeline
but also in Discord groups
like free lifetime access
and I'll just be honest
like it's not possible.
If you look at the case
for a base plan
that's sold
like it's a base annual plan
that's about $300, right?
So the white, the mint itself is also about $300.
If I were to give, or if we were to give free lifetime access,
we basically need to do a 10 years cost discounted by, let's say, 20%, 30%,
and then sell it to the user.
If we were to just use that subscription model as the way in which we want to
look at the value and utility of the NFT.
So we say, no, I don't think
that's the direction that we want to go with.
It's simply not feasible
economics-wise.
Got it.
Okay, so it's not like
a lifetime subscription
for the NFTs.
Yeah, but that being said, it doesn't mean that we can't do interesting things.
Yeah, there would be my next question.
For sure.
For people who want to mint, we'll get into the mint in a second to discuss them.
For sure.
But what's kind of your pitch on why people should uh should
mint so let's be honest about why everybody means an nft even yourself like why do you mint it when
nft well it's number goes up right let's be honest yeah no right number goes that's the number one
reason why we all mint and hold nfts and number goes up means that your price goes up. That's the number one reason why we all mint and hold NFTs.
And number goes up means that your price goes up.
And there's two functions to that, right? Your demand and your supply.
So we can come up here with a very complex staking mechanism.
We say we reward early users and it starts staking with us.
But a lot of projects have attempted this and it doesn't work.
It doesn't work because NFTs are fairly illiquid and all it takes is just one or two people
out of thousands to start breaking the floor. And if there's no demand, number goes down.
So our thinking is to flip this totally. We focus a lot on generating demand.
And the way we do this is to tell everyone
that the keys will be instrumental
in giving higher probabilities for rarer gems
within the ecosystem.
They will give more gems as well.
And higher tier keys will give rarer gems
versus the other lower tier keys.
And on top of that, all of these keys in and of itself
will contain Redacted.
We all, I think, have an understanding of what that means.
And so the best way to think about it
is that the value of the keys go up if our platform continues to grow and develop, right?
So meaning today, we have 200,000 total active users.
If we can get to a place where we hit a million,
two million, which I'm very confident of delivering
in the next six months to a year with mobile
and all of the viral campaigns that we want to activate,
that's when I think the vision of Cerebro becoming an everyday app
becomes more and more real.
So then how do we value an everyday app, right?
Are we going to say it has no value?
I don't think so.
If you have hundreds of thousands of users
actively using your app, right?
And obviously, you know,
you need to trust the team to be credible,
to know how to monetize correctly,
to know how to build value along the way.
That's the direction that we are going towards, right?
Not to come up with some fancy staking mechanism
that doesn't work,
but to consistently grow the platform
and be unequivocally clear to everyone
that the keys will matter,
the keys will have value.
We will give that to the key holders.
So you probably can't
talk on that at this point, but
every time we talk about
the gems or even the value
that might be good to
the NFTs,
is it
within the horizon of
reasonable expectations,
I put it this way,
to assume that at some point
there will be a Cerebral token or an outro?
Yeah, I think you can say that.
I mean, our existing agents have invested in us
and some of them have already put it pretty plainly
that they have signed SAF.
So that's the reality.
I can acknowledge that much.
And it's the reality, right?
Yeah.
Interesting.
Okay, I don't think I saw this statement this way on the timeline yet.
So that's a breaking news for you all.
There might be a token in the future.
Okay, that's very good.
You heard it here first.
You heard it here first.
You heard it future. Okay, that's very good. You heard it here first. Yeah, you heard it here first. You heard it first.
Okay, so
just for
what I'm calling it, that's one of the reasons
why I'm really looking forward
to the Mint and looking to
Mint myself, because I know you
and also NFT Boy, who you
brought on. What's this role, by the way?
Is it just managing call collabs at this point,
or is it like a deeper involvement
or long-term involvement in CRE Pro?
Yeah, so it's interesting you ask that.
So actually, when we first connected,
I mean, it was really around, you know,
could NFT Boy just help us with collabs,
which he has done a fantastic job, by the way.
I think he just joined as a caller.
So thank you, boy.
I think you're the goat.
But I think over the past couple of days, as NFT boy has been working pretty closely
with us, he was like, actually, what you guys are doing are really, really cool.
He likes to come on board and work further with us in a deeper capacity.
capacity i'm not sure if i can i should be saying that out loud right now but but it's true right
I'm not sure if I should be saying that out loud right now, but it's true.
and i think it speaks um very strongly in our favor that a lot of the people who have been
most excited about the min are the ones who have seen us in action over a period of time right like
our community overwhelmingly like you know in the group that we're in like i don't see any negative
voices everybody's like i want to max min and if anybody doesn't want to min,
give me their spot, right?
So I think that the people
who are close to us,
have interacted with us,
seen us work,
they know and, you know,
they believe in us fundamentally.
Amazing.
Yeah, when I...
Oh yeah, shift, go ahead.
But when I saw you brought like NFT ball on, which I thought was a really, really
good addition, especially from an NFT point of view. And you, of course, with your NFT
background, I think that's a really good combination. But, Shift, please go ahead.
Yeah, I just wanted to expand on that. Obviously, I've known Boi for a couple of years.
I've spoken to him many, many times.
Also, you guys got on other great advisors
such as like Pix, Legendary, Grail.
Is there any more perhaps that we don't know yet?
But like, I'd love to kind of like hear about
like the selection of people that you have
around this product.
For sure.
So our advisors have first and foremost
been ardent users of the platform and the product, right?
So even before reaching out to Legendary or Pix,
what I can say is that both of them, for example,
have been lovers of the platform
and they also have annual subscription so i'll just share the
story that i have with legendary um so i connected with him actually in january i was showing him the
platform but i think in his own words he said you know probably just like any other tracker
that that's about it um and then we kind of reconnected about a couple of weeks ago he reached out and was like yo math
like your what you guys build is insane um he bought the pro plan annual subscription so he
dropped like about six hundred dollars and he was like you know this is so cool and like can we talk
more um and that's when i think you know we started having a deeper conversation and that
and then he gradually joined our advisory panel.
So how we go about thinking about who to add
is that they first and foremost got to love the product,
they love the platform,
show that they are involved and then we bring them in
because we are looking for long-term alignment here.
Sorry, my... Yeah, I can hear you.
I think Mav put out.
I don't know if it's just me.
Yeah, no, no.
My unmuting didn't work.
But I think it does now.
Okay.
Okay.
Kind of going back to the Mint itself,
you released the details.
I pinned it up in the room.
Collection size, 6,969.
Interesting, interesting.
Mint price, 0.08 for both whitelist and public.
I have a couple of questions here.
So I think the general direction we saw with this type of mint, like when it comes from a platform kind of releasing NFT, a lot of times we see kind of two directions where you went in a total different way.
The first one is usually it's small supply.
Like when you look at collections, I think most recently kaido um i think has a
supply of 1.5 k or 1k i don't know but something like that yeah sure um so that's one trend like
a rather smaller collection size versus the bigger ones that we know from nft pfp mints
and another thing that wasn't true for kaido i think think Kyder made it 0.1, but in a lot of other cases, we saw free mints coming from these platforms.
So you went on both directions in the other way.
Biggest collection size, still medium size, so it's not 10,000, but definitely bigger than what I'm used to from collections that come from crypto platforms and 0.08 bin price.
So would love to hear the thought process behind those two variables.
Sure.
So I think let's talk about collection size first.
The whole idea is to really expand our collective,
because what we have found with the Cerebro 100, for
example, is that it's such a useful distribution mechanism when it comes to the rollout of our
products. And I think this is the second time that we have kind of captured the timeline in a very
strong way. The first was definitely during our go-to-market
when we just activated our quote-unquote community
and everybody was so passionate about pushing for us.
And what we wanted to do was that, look,
instead of going out and getting a couple thousand,
we wanted to have the range of like in the
collection supply of uh 6,669 um so that we have a broader group of people who would be vested
in our growth and wanting to help tell our story so that's the explanation for the
So that's the explanation for the supply side of things.
As for the pricing, I would say that I think in NFT land, right,
we have become so accustomed to free and degen means that we kind of view anything,
maybe even more than 0.02 as extremely suspect, which is, I don't know,
I find it a bit weird, but that's another topic.
Just to share some backstory around, like,
why we are doing this, right, like,
like, collection in the first place,
is that we have received, you know, like,
countless reach-outs from both within the community
and also external parties who say, like,
look, you guys are doing some really cool stuff.
We want to get involved
and i'll give just one example right so like legendary you know like even when he connected
like a couple of weeks ago he was like is there a round that you guys might have and it also set
us thinking right like we didn't just want to limit it to angel checks we wanted to kind of
broaden up our access to um the community see if people
would be interested because we know that people are from the uh the outreach that we have been
having at a very personal level and when we did launch um on the collab front as well we have
seen a huge amount of uh people knocking on our door saying that, look, they love to mint.
Yeah, and we feel comfortable with the price point that we have set. I think price is what you pay,
but value is what you get. And people need to remember this, right? Like I can set a price,
let's say 0.02, but come TGE, right? What happens if this team says that, look, you know, it's 0.02,
But come TGE, right?
What happens if this team says that, look, you know, it's 0.02.
We are giving you a sub 0.2% airdrop.
It would be clear 50%, blah, blah, blah, right?
I think this is a bet on the team.
And look at the team that we have amassed.
Look at the advisors.
Look at the people who have been very supportive and vocal of us.
I'll give a couple of shout-out.
People like Warren, who doubled down twice and still wants to
mint.
And I think this is the same for all of the angels and investors who have invested.
None of them are saying that, why do this?
In fact, they are like, can we mint more?
Can we buy more NFTs?
Right.
So to all of the people who don't want to mint who find it expensive we respect that by
the way um but just let us know we have facilitated the transition of the whitelist to somebody else
yeah i saw like a couple of couple of takes on time i'm kind of going in both directions
I'm kind of going in both directions.
Of course, people saying 0.08 for the supply is right on the expensive side.
I saw a lot of people supporting and saying they're happy to take the spots of people who decide not to mint.
So I think it's a really practical approach of saying, yeah, if you believe it's worth it, and we touched on this earlier in the space, if you think this is something you want to be a part in, or even something you want to mint because of number go up, mint, and if not, don't mint. But I think it's also like a fair point, whenever a project is raising funds,
what are the funds being used for?
So maybe you can give some background
on scaling the platform,
what the funds will be deployed towards.
I think that's something people are interested in as well.
For sure.
I think it's all going to be funnelled towards platform growth.
Like I mentioned earlier in the session, we have about 20,000,
30,000 users a day.
With mobile, we are confident of growing another 5, 10x.
But what this means from a cost and infrastructure point of view,
it will go up.
But we also know that because we are doing it
in a way that optimizes for performance,
in the long term, the marginal cost
will go down considerably.
So although we are spending thousands on a daily basis
just to index the blockchain
and deliver a smooth experience,
we are confident that the cost, the unit economics will make a lot more sense at scale.
And we are seeing that even now when we grew from a couple thousand users a day to 20, 30,000 users.
And it will keep getting better.
And this is also, I think, the network effect that's slowly being built up.
As we have more and more users, we would have economies of scale.
So the majority of the funds would really be directed towards platform growth, product development.
We have a team of seven right now.
We are looking to get a couple more in the area of helping with mobile, helping with AI, because there's so much more to do.
If we look at the vision that I spelled out a couple of days ago, we want to build the everyday app for portfolio management, right?
So this means an application that everyone would have to check every single day because
we are so good or we provide such high utility in the area of portfolio management.
And this is a very ambitious and audacious goal if you think about it.
So yeah, to put a long story short, it's going to product, it's going to people.
I can share that I'm not taking a salary and the vast majority of the people on the team
are extremely underpaid.
If we were to prorate it to like any other
team in the space um i think lambo sorry sorry i know i'm a bit going on a bit of a tangent there
i think lambo mentioned that you know they spent about 100k on project x and i think 100 hour weeks
um so far i think our our total spend is about a few hundred K more,
but that's also because we have just been so careful
with how much we spend on OPEX or people cost.
Amazing.
Ivan Lab, we'll go to you in a second.
By the way, for the people in the audience,
if you have questions,
we've reached a drop in the bottom right corner.
Like and reach with the space, we're still giving five wireless spots out at the end in the audience if you have questions for free to drop in the bottom right corner like and retweet the space we're still giving five wireless spots um out at the end of
the show and each wireless spot correct me if I'm wrong um makes eligible for for two minutes
so we're giving that out um at the end of the show uh maybe as one last question on the nft
side before we go to the hands-on to review community questions.
There are different rarities, and I pinned it in the space for the keys.
So we have diamond, platinum, gold, silver, and bronze.
Can you tell us a little bit about how big of a difference there will be between these different keys,
and what rarity are we talking about?
When we talk about the top-tier diamond,
will it be like super, super small supply
or will it be like within reason?
What's the value?
Yeah, so there are only six diamond keys.
So everyone has been, you know,
hitting at me saying that they want a diamond key,
but there are only six.
And the idea behind rarity was that,
look, I think going to NFT,
you need a bit of serendipity.
You need to have some fun.
We all need to feel that little bit of a gamble when we do this, right?
It's been a while since we look forward to review as well.
So we wanted to bring that dynamic in,
but also do it in a way that doesn't break the model that we have.
So I think it makes sense. It's going to be fun.
Yeah.
Yeah, we will. It's always fun.
And it's actually something I,
because we talked earlier about how other platforms have been handling mints.
And that's something I sometimes miss a little bit,
like the rarity within the collection.
So I like that approach.
Just to everyone know, I will receive a diamond tier.
NFT boy DMT me and told me
metadata will be adjusted for the space.
I will receive one of the six diamonds.
So there are still five out there
for the other people.
I think that's reasonable.
I will let Steve with a hand up, please.
Go ahead.
Hey, hi, Will.
Hi, Maverick.
Glad to be here. So just a a quick question, Maav, on the roadmap,
right? So, maybe if you could talk a little bit about the next six months from a product
standpoint, how are you guys planning to sort of roll out the features and maybe even the
mobile version and follow up would be on Alice, right? So, how was the plan there, right?
At least personally using it,
I felt it was a little bit raw,
but what's your take on that, right?
How are you planning to scale that up as well?
So great question.
So I think if you had to break down our roadmap
in different phases, right?
Phase one was about aggregation,
tracking and risk management.
So that's the foundational layer
that we wanted to get to market with,
go to market with in a very strong way
because it solves a real need
in the sense that everybody has to check their portfolio.
Everybody wants a place where,
regardless of the AI interactions that they want to make,
they want to check to ensure that
their numbers are making sense.
So that was the starting point, right?
The next three to six months,
from a roadmap perspective,
is going to be focused around
optimization and discovery.
So this means that we would pair
a lot of the intent,
the so-called quote-unquote theory
behind the strategies
that are being recommended to users
in a more in a very seamless way in which users can quickly execute on the intentionality of the
actions that they want to take and what makes Cerebro so special is that because we have spent
so much time on this foundational layer right is that we kind of know you probably a lot better than the
average meme coin trading app and most other apps out there, right? We probably know your
risk profile. We probably know your actions a lot more. And what this means is that from a
discovery point of view, where we are putting forth different recommendations for you to execute
upon, I think we can do a much better job. And what I see that's
going to happen in the next three to six months as we execute on this roadmap is that users will
feel a lot more comfortable because you have the entirety of your portfolio in front of you. You
can see the impact when you execute a certain swap, when you execute a certain action to reduce
your risk, right?
So all of these actions we think would make a lot of sense
happening within the platform itself.
Yeah.
Amazing. Thank you for the question.
Thanks, man.
Yeah.
Thank you, sir.
Andrew Smolt, I saw you with a hand up as well.
Yeah.
Thanks for having me.
Mabrik, I have a question, which i'm not sure if i missed it um i was i was not here for the first few minutes but but in in terms of acquiring gems
right is there any more data or um like basic information that you can share how how they're
being acquired um you know yeah just that's basically it yeah so we want to be very careful here because we don't
want to have like a blueprint on how to acquire gems you know like there's some i i'm betting
that there are some guides in some airdrop farming discord you know you do action abc you get a
certain gem uh so the broad way which we express it is that gems are our reward currency and they are being used to
incentivize certain actions so the first action that we have incentivized and it's very public
is the referral of users and if they are quality users for example you invite manage to refer well
over here you get the probability of hitting a rarer gem. That's one.
And then it's also around platform usage,
how active you are.
And we're going to add more and more ways
that people can earn gems, right?
But it's always being done in a way
that makes sense for the platform.
All right.
Sounds good.
Appreciate it, man.
No worries.
Thanks.
We have a few other community questions
in the comments.
So I'm just going to drop them here.
And you can answer with ideally a few sentences so we can get to all of them.
Khaled asking if I interpreted correctly, will be sales live during Mint or after Mint?
So I saw you launching on OpenSea.
So I saw you launching on OpenSea.
I think they've been handling NFT launches pretty well.
I think they've been handling NFT launches pretty well.
So I guess that's a question for the mint process
and different phases.
They'll all be frozen until sellout.
We think that's the fairest way to do it.
So all of the whitelists, once that's done,
everybody will be able to sell once public is done as well.
I think that's fair to all parties, especially since there's a public made of about 500 spots.
I agree, and it's also the best way to make it, in my opinion.
I'm never a fan of it unlocks before from Indistan.
So that's very good.
Let's see the other community questions.
Ken asking, why the name Cerebro?
Like, what's the idea behind it?
Sure. So we are fans of X-Men.
And if you have watched the movie, Cerebro is basically the device
that Professor X used to amplify his powers.
So the same idea here where Cerebro, the platform, is used to amplify his powers. So the same idea here where Cerebro,
the platform is used to amplify the ability for you to make very smart,
personalized decisions in a very effective way.
Amazing.
Let's see.
While I was looking for another community question,
I saw people,
a couple of people asked,
what chains do you currently support right now?
And what chains perhaps you're looking to add down the line?
Yeah, so we currently support DTC, EVM, SVM, Hyperliquid, Hyper-EVM.
We are going to be adding Sway pretty soon.
We're adding all of the different exchanges.
We're going to be adding the Cosmos ecosystem as well.
So we have three guiding principles at Cerebro.
The first is coverage.
And by this, I mean, we want to give you a complete picture, right?
And I think I expressed this again in my sort of vision statement or piece around building
the Everyday App, that we are not satisfied with 98%. So we'll
go the distance and whatever chain it's on, whatever protocol, we'll get to 100%. That's
the first part, coverage. The second is accuracy. Like we want to be very accurate. We want you to
be able to trust the numbers that you're getting from the platform and be able to rely on them
because we know that users will be using them to make certain judgment calls so they have to be accurate.
And the third would be high performance. So a lot of the trackers, a lot of the tools when you use
them, they kind of break, at least that's my experience. It hasn't been a very smooth experience
and so what we want to do as we scale especially is to make it such that it's extremely fast it's extremely high performance
amazing we have a few more questions um will people be able to connect the nfts on on the website
um post postman will share more around how that would work, around the tying in of the NFTs to the
platform itself.
Perfect.
All right, Shiv, let me know if you have any other community questions that you see, but
I think we ask most of them.
I think the important details are out of the way.
A lot of the questions I'm seeing right now,
like we've already been through.
So if you want to go through the space,
I know we'll clip some of the moments up
so you can obviously refer back to them.
I guess, Mav, the mint's coming up.
There's a lot of people excited.
There's a lot to look forward to.
And there's a lot of components here,
perhaps like your own personal side.
What's something that you're looking forward to the most?
You've been working on this.
You've been building this over the past couple months now. What is's something that, you know, you're looking forward to the most? You've been working on this, you've been building this
over the past couple months now.
What's one thing that,
you know what,
I'm really looking forward to this one thing.
I think we want to get mobile out.
Like that's a super top priority for us.
That's like the most requested thing.
And I know that with mobile,
we can 10x our growth.
Anyone who I've talked to,
I've said that, look,
if we can do 200,000 on desktop,
I'm pretty sure we can do 2 million with mobile.
I'm pretty confident with the campaigns,
the way we have learned
how to activate our community,
that we can go to millions of users with mobile
but this also means that you know people got to trust us we are doing our best i can assure
everyone you know we're doing our best to make mobile uh the best you are with the best ur ux
but it's going to take a bit of time right but we want it to be a game changer right
the whole tech like everyday app it means that every day when you wake up instead of
opening another portfolio tracker instead of opening you know some other products that i
don't want to name you're going to open cerebro because it's the most trusted source for you to
understand your portfolio let's go all right thanks for coming on before we before we go
we have still wireless spots to give out.
So how do we want to do this shift?
First of all, our speakers up on stage,
do you already have whitelist?
Give me a thumbs up or a thumbs down.
Okay, Andrewsmo is good.
Iron Lad, how about you? You're good as well.
QNL, we have you up on stage as a speaker,
but you didn't speak.
So I don't know how we want to
proceed,
but I think
we can give you one
for showing up.
QNL,
you're our first winner.
Congrats
and thank you for coming up.
Chef,
do you want to pick
for more people
from the audience?
From the comment section,
yes.
From the comment section, I'll pick section i'll pick one someone who did
probably let's pick people who contribute so yeah yeah you can pick one by one i think first one we
can go is penguin web 3. if you're in the audience yeah i see you uh can you give me a thumbs up if
you already have right list shift can you Shiv, can you mute, by the way?
You have some background noise.
Penguin Web 3, can you give me a thumbs up if you already have Writelist?
Or thumbs down if you don't have Writelist yet?
Okay, I see neither thumbs up nor thumbs down.
So I assume you don't have Writelist yet first winner chef any we have three more do you want to
pick there yeah yeah this guy called Taka G in the comment section early
supporter and was one of the first people to tune in as well so we like
that we like people who are supporting the project and product early and I
appreciate you guys joining the space as well.
So feel free to see something unique.
Okay.
I want to see something different.
I'm seeing a lot of people copying each other, so...
I don't want to see the same repetitive thing.
I want to see something different.
I want to see a reason why you deserve the wireless.
That's your sign.
So I think one we can pick because it always goes up
on our spaces is
Yavara.eth
you're our fourth winner.
Seeing you a lot of times in our spaces
so you're the fourth winner.
And the last one, I'm going to go to
your recent replies
to pick the last one.
By the way, for all the winners
please DM shift
your your ETH wallets don't DM me DM your shift thank you
that's crazy yeah our last winner okay Kingston Kingston Pudgy our last winner
he commented make my wife happy giving a whitelist so we want to make I was
actually gonna pick that one too I. I saw his comment section.
Yeah, exactly.
He actually asked a good question and he's actually pretty excited about the vision.
Let's go.
Kingston, well done.
So Kingston, congrats.
You're our last winner, the MSHIF, your ETH wallet, and we'll get that sorted.
And yeah, thanks, Marik, for coming on the show.
Excited for Mint.
What's the Mint date again?
I missed that.
It's at 23 hours, Will. So you have 23 hours to pack up and get out.
Yeah, people usually remind me when there's stuff to Mint.
I'm good. I won't miss the Mint. Don't worry.
No, we want you to be on vacation.
Yeah, I might go on vacation afterwards to see the floor response a little bit more.
I will handle it on a case-by-case basis, but I think it will do well either way.
All right.
Thanks, buddy.
No, but thanks for coming on.
It was good to talk.
Really excited to see you guys cooking.
Really excited about the Mint.
Thanks, everyone, for tuning in.
We will be back possibly next week.
Maybe, maybe not. We'll see if something
interesting comes up. We also want to
host these spaces when there's
something interesting
to talk about with Kaido on
two weeks ago when they released the Capital Launchpad
Notary Pro for
the Mint, which I'm excited about.
So maybe there's something
interesting coming up next week. Then we'll be back
maybe in two weeks. We'll see. But thanks for
tuning in. See you soon. Have a great
Wednesday. Bye-bye.
