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THE X SPACES CREW | WTF IS HAPPENING ON X?
Recorded: June 12, 2025 Duration: 1:04:18Space Recording
Short Summary
In a lively discussion, participants explored the latest trends in the crypto space, including the impact of political rhetoric on market sentiment, the shift towards quality content creation, and the introduction of innovative features in social media platforms. The conversation also highlighted the growing importance of balanced discussions in the crypto community as it navigates through evolving narratives.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Go on, Action. going on action
you want the truth or you want like the shurikota piece
the truth ah dude i'm having a terrible day it's been um yeah wonderful
oh boy what's going on just adding up you know it's uh it's Thursday, and I feel like nothing's gotten done.
Yeah, it's just the usual, dude.
Just the first world problems.
Same old, same old.
Dealing with the kids?
Taking the time?
Dude, dealing with the kids.
Kids are amazing.
I don't have any complaints about kids,
but I'm not living that life of ringing the bell
and opening the stock market, you know?
Come on down.
I was just there for like three hours this morning making my way around the floor
and I'm going back in three hours for the clothes so should be a good day
well what dude like the stock market basically wouldn't work without you is
what I'm hearing I I am the one that pulls the lever to open and close the
market you know how it is somebody's somebody's got to do it
somebody's got to do it yeah I was about to say that that that's special oh man
yeah but it's good I'm on the tail end final day of a three-week travel trip
through five cities Wow and I'm ready to go home, you know?
It's been good.
It's been fun.
It's been a lot.
And I'm ready for home.
Last day.
Wow.
What cities did you hit up?
So, started in Miami about three weeks ago. Was in Miami for a weekend.
Then made my way over to Las Vegas where I saw you for the Bitcoin conference.
Was at the Bitcoin conference for a few days.
Then made my way over to Houston.
I was in Houston for my fiance's family reunion.
Then spending some time with her family there for about a week.
Then I went over to Chicago. I was in Chicago for a conference that one of my business partners was
running. And that was great. It was a kind of like a smaller, kind of more intimate trading
conference, which I liked. And then I flew over last night to New York here in New York now for
a day going to the, went to the opening bell, going to the closing bell,
and then a dinner, and then tomorrow,
flying out of here back to San Juan.
Wow, so you really made your way downtown.
Did you walk fast?
Oh, boy.
Did you take the safest path?
That's the question I want to know.
That's a good question.
Not sure I know the safest path, but luckily...
You're homebound.
Homebound, yeah.
Luckily, the hotel that I got put up with here in New York
is literally minutes away from the New York Stock Exchange,
which is great.
That worked out very ideal.
I could just walk over there this morning, so that was perfect.
Although, the Wi-Fi situation right now is a little hit or miss at the moment as I'm trying to get on this.
But we're working on it.
On the ICU in the audience, if you want to request up on stage, come chat with us.
Share a few thoughts.
Action, I didn't get a chance to talk to you about this, but things got a little fiery with Elon on X here.
And I'm just curious if you weighed in with any thoughts on that.
Yes.
So I made a lot of popcorn and I sat back and enjoyed the show.
We haven't had one of those in the water.
In a minute.
Yeah.
No, dude, like it goes back to the same thing.
Like people think that everyone is like a crazy trump supporter and
ultimately like most people are pretty middle of the road and just want to support decent policies
right um i saw a lot of that at bitcoin conference like a lot a lot of it like people were trying to
tell talk to me just because i had that glittery glittery jacket on about trump left and right i'm
like yeah trump's great because he set the tone to kick things off, but nothing's going to change. Nothing's going to actually get better unless we
follow through with policy and the rest of the administration is actually part of this thing.
So yeah, it's net positive ultimately for me because it allows people to actually understand
that it's not, you know, that people, quote unquote, as a whole are not just looking for
this one man show. Sure, he is what symbolizes a lot of this stuff that's gone not, you know, that people, quote unquote, as a whole are not just looking for this one man show.
Sure, he is what symbolizes a lot of the stuff that's gone down.
But ultimately, we want freaking change.
We want people to do what they said they were going to do.
We want people to follow through.
We want, you know, policy to make sense.
That's really the hope for most people.
And when you have people like Elon come out and just bash the guy,
even if he apologizes afterwards, it shows that, hey, this is not a one man show. And it takes a whole lot more to make a country as a whole successful. Got to put the work in as a as a
total, but it seems like they're making up here today. They've come back to center grounds,
right? Being very friendly, all those those things are there riots out in your area
also by the way? I know there's a lot of stuff going on
in LA, not too close to you right?
my neighborhood's really good
you got shot if you come close
action, pulling out the guns
what do you mean
pulling out? I never put them away.
Yeah, I hear you.
Alex just texted me.
He said he's on a call that's going a few minutes over.
But we'll antagonize him once he gets in here.
Have a little bit of a chat through some of these different pieces.
Man.
Yeah, no, but the Riot stuff is what's been taking over my timeline lately, which is kind of wild.
And, like, it's wild because I'm seeing both sides of it.
I'm seeing people that are literally saying,
everything is fine, there's nothing wrong,
we don't need any help.
Yeah, this is...
Talk about a country being divided, man.
I'm seeing it on the timeline.
I need to stop following a bunch of NFT people,
I think is what it is.
That might be what it is.
I'm looking through your timeline.
So let's see what's going on here.
Oh, no.
I've been borderline depressed this week.
So my timeline is super quiet.
Are you going to be at the next Karate Combat?
I don't know, dude.
We'll see.
We'll see what happens.
I'm not allowed to talk about certain things, but decisions have to be made.
I'll probably show up. I'll probably be there.
But I'm at the point where I'm like, I don't know.
Decisions have to be made.
Yes. Yes.
I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued.
Yeah, we're trying to get you in the pit. That's what it is.
Uh-huh. That's definitely...
Yeah, I don't know exactly right now when i would
do a camp i'm uh i'm not i'm not certain that i've uh that that would be able to happen
that's cool me and you let's go oh yeah no camp we just jump in there rock and sock them
yeah i think dude i think those are I think those are the best encounters, right?
When people are not prepared to get gassed in like 30 seconds, it's amazing.
I love seeing that.
Ani, you want a ref?
Yeah, I'm down.
Tell me where to be.
You bring up a good point where to be like where are we ever gonna meet Ani in person?
Yeah, when's it gonna happen, Ani?
Yeah, I don't know. I'm in New York I'm in New York
No, you're not for real. It's like like literally today. Yeah, Oh my God, that is crazy.
Yeah, I'm spending most of the day at the Stock Exchange.
What part of New York are you in?
I'm in Long Island right now.
Oh, okay.
I'm in FIDA.
Ooh, okay.
What?
What'd you say?
Where did you say you were?
FIDA, the financial district.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I thought that's what you said.
Okay, yeah, yeah.
Obviously, like where else would you be, right? Yeah.I, the financial district. Oh, yeah, yeah. I thought that's what you said. Okay, yeah, yeah. Obviously, like, where else would you
be, right? Yeah.
But that's awesome. Damn, I wish
I had time today. Are you leaving today?
You could be Midtown going to,
you know, B&H. I mean, that could
be a thing. I wish, I wish. But I'll be
back for NFTMIC in two weeks, and I'm going to have a lot
more time. Oh, that's awesome.
Yeah, I think I'm going to be doing an event
with one of the crypto
crews that we stay hang out with so yeah definitely let's uh let's plan for nftnyc
let me know let me know uh action you're gonna be uh you're gonna be at nftnyc i have zero plans
ongoing but i want to put on a wolf you want to put on a wolf event? Kind of, but not really at NFTMYC.
I don't know.
No, it would be a side event.
Stock Exchange, obviously, isn't doing anything in the evening.
So why don't you just ask the homies over there and take it over?
Oh, yeah.
I mean, I've thought about doing an event there or something like that.
But you gotta
You gotta cough up some money
You know what I'm saying
They're not really the cheapest
Because you gotta use their own catering
And all that stuff
So it can be a little
It can add up
I forget that everything in New York is unionized too
Yeah, no, I agree
It definitely
It can be a lot But Ani, what have you
been paying attention to on the timeline? We were taking a look at the, what were we talking about?
Some of the Trump and Elon stuff, just things like that that have been going on.
I've been paying a lot of attention to, I think the quality of content, I think I've been seeing
a lot more quality content and I've been able to network with a lot of new people. I think the quality of content I think I have been seeing a lot more quality content and
I've been able to network with a lot of new people I think um with the algorithm just kind
of like shifting over to grok it's been showing a lot more uh content that I like to consume as
opposed to content that the algo thinks like in terms of followers they want to show me um so
I've been finding a lot of new people that I never
really followed or never really knew on the timeline and be able to network with them.
Other than that, I think quality and some of the sentiment has also shifted a little bit because a
lot of people were complaining about monetization, but people were able to kind of come together and
kind of like take a little seed back and kind of like decide what they're here on the platform for.
So I think that has contributed to much more quality content, much more things that people
are actually utilizing the platform for instead of like just talking about how to grow on
the platform.
A lot of people were just like kind of honing in on like how to grow on the platform, how
to monetize yourself, how to do this, how to do that.
Right.
But I think more people have started to realize that they're creators.
And same thing with me, like we're creators and we have a purpose here.
And I've been seeing a lot more purpose-driven content
based on how they want to build their brand.
Like I've seen people drop e-books, newsletters,
start like, you know, doing spaces more and stuff like that.
So I think I feel like the sentiment around the platform has been much better even though there are complainers a little bit and
obviously like we're not seeing too many uh things being done with the monetization side of things
but uh you know i think it serves a bigger purpose and i think it's bringing out creativity in a lot
of creators that kind of like took a step back when it was like just monetization based.
Yeah, I like that. It's a good point of action.
Did you notice new features? The chat feature that just came out.
I don't know if everybody has it yet, but it's in their beta for me.
If you open your panel, it has to be on mobile.
You get a chat little box instead of just the messages. Have you seen that yet?
Yeah, I have extra. We've been basically like anytime somebody says oh i have extra test test like you know
you send like an x chat to test test it's like the culture now
is it better is it worse is it i love it i i honestly love it because um it has a lot more
features than the regular dms do and the regular dms like i never really love it because it has a lot more features than the regular DMs do. And the regular
DMs, like I never really liked it because you couldn't do much. You couldn't as like somebody
who's building a brand on this platform and kind of use this as like a professional outlet kind of
thing. It was very limited. DMs would glitch all the time. My favorite feature on this is basically you are able to separate group chats and individual DMs.
There's like two tabs up top where you can filter it out.
You can hit groups.
And then I actually, there's a developer style beta tester that I've been talking to in the DMs a lot.
And I actually told them that, hey, you need to like, you know, can you ask the team to add individual as well?
Like right now it's unread and groups, but individual as well would be great because when you go to unread, it's still the groups and the individuals together.
But the developer, the engineer who's working on XChat actually liked that feedback and he might be adding that.
that feedback and he might be adding that so that's one of my absolute favorite features you
So that's one of my absolute favorite features.
can finally like uh sort through the dm groups and the individual dms because a lot of the leads
come in through dms for me so um yeah absolute favorite feature there and you can also file
share there's also rumors that oh my god file share has i've already used it so many times
it's amazing and also there are uh rumors that they are going to be implementing video conferencing, kind of like Zooms.
I think it should support up to 50 people.
So if you're in a DM group and you want to do like a Zoom call or obviously like this will kind of take the creative economy to the next level,
because you could host probably paid subscriber only video conferences or webinars and stuff like that.
So there's a potential there. I think the ETA on that has been backed up a little bit,
but they are working on it.
And there's definitely going to be a video conference feature.
I love that.
And I'll tell you, like the biggest thing,
the only thing that's missing in comparison to the regular messages
is the voice, like send voice feature,
which it's fine given that everything else is a lot better um
something that people don't pay attention to that i really like is the end send encryption on this
thing because in the past you could do encrypted messages but it was like an extra step and it
limited what you can actually do but now that this thing's actually end-to-end encrypted um yeah it's
it's definitely checking off my my check boxes here what's up benny yo yo what's going on action happy uh thursday
happy thursday to you how has your writing been my writing thank god i don't live in la i can't
even believe you know some of the leaders that we've elected in this state and you know sort of the the fallout
from all of that um i'm staying as far away from the writing as i can have you been doing some on
the ground reporting action i have not done any of that i've been hidden away in my little um yeah
my little piece of paradise over here nobody bothers me it's fantastic it's the way to do it yeah i'm literally like stressed out
this morning so i'm out here with a pair of clippers just just you know clipping some trees
and stuff just just to relax a bit is it what's going on in la that's stressing you out or what
no it's life dude it's everybody else that needs something from me. And I'm like, just leave me alone. Give me like fitness myself.
Not asking for much.
The garden and spaces is your zen.
That's exactly it, dude.
Like, that's how it relaxes. Like, let me go on spaces.
And like, yeah, I mean, this watermelon plant's getting a little out of hand.
I might have to clip it a little bit.
But everything else is looking great.
The peppers, the collard greens, all the zucchinis,
the... Hopefully I can get some
potatoes, sweet potatoes soon.
What else we got going on? We got a boatload of tomatoes
here, cucumbers,
my dragon fruits are taking off,
the grapes are taking off,
what is that? My Thai basil is doing pretty
good. That's just what I can see right
now. We need to change your name to
Farmer Action.
I'll take it. i'll take it i'll take it how like uh action farmer instead of engagement farmer is that enough to like uh provide all the produce for your family or is this like
a seasonal kind of thing like what what do you got going on
you cut out you cut out there i walked away from the Wi-Fi.
I was switching hotspots.
I got like seven hotspots on the property.
You said, is it enough to do what?
Is it enough to feed your family all the produce, or do you still shop for produce?
What do you got going on?
Is it like a seasonal sort of harvest?
I don't shop a lot of...
I have so many mouths to feed, dude.
Yes, I do shop, but we eat a lot of the stuff here.
We're having zucchini literally every day, and everybody loves it.
So as soon as they get sick of it, I'll just start making zucchini bread.
And nobody can say no to pounds and pounds of sugar.
How long have you been doing that?
Do you have land?
Yeah, I got land, dude. I got i got 22 chickens like fresh eggs every day learn something every day i'm going to actions house anytime dude i have
i have food and ammo so we should be all right what's up wolf dude doing good doing good down here in new york today went to the stock exchange
for a few hours this morning going back in a few hours for the close doing things you can just do
things apparently that's how life works penny did you notice that uh sorry go for it i was just
gonna ask what brought you to the stock exchange. So this morning, so to be
honest, I came in, there's a company that's doing an event for the close today. And they, they asked
me if I wanted to come out and participate in that. And so I said, sure. You know, always happy
to be a part of stuff at the exchange. And because I was already going to be out here, I was like,
oh, let me just go in the morning.
I have some potential clients that were out here that wanted to see the exchange.
And I have some business partners that work there.
And I've just been building relationships kind of across the board there. And so I was like, hey, let me just go and spend some time in person.
And I brought my client out there for about an hour so that they could, potential clients, so they could check it out.
hours that they could, uh, potential clients so they could check it out and then just spend some
time, walk the floor, talk to people, hung out, um, did a couple of like business meetings,
uh, from there. So yeah, I, I enjoy spending time there. It's a good crew. It's good energy.
Um, I think it's a lot of fun, you know, are you like a 60% travel now? How much are you moving
around? Too much, too much. I actually did some calculations.
Well, first off, I've been traveling, like I was telling, actually in the beginning of
the space for about three weeks straight.
I've been just on the move through Miami, Vegas, Houston, Chicago, New York, and then
finally I fly home tomorrow.
So it has been a little too much.
I was looking at it because I just wanted to calculate. So, so far this year, I have taken 22, 23, 24, 25. I've taken 25 flights so far this year. And I will take my 26 flight tomorrow. Yeah, I think 26 flights tomorrow. And then right now i have 18 more flights scheduled
this year so uh yeah we'll probably do about 50 flights this year would be my guess it's a little
much to be honest but you know gotta do what you gotta do right moving and shaking yeah no definitely staying pretty busy um but i don't think it's a bad thing
and i um i just continue to try to uh to lean into it and just see where things can go so yeah
um and and you know it's hard to replicate some of that in-person stuff and you know i'm living
off on an island now so it's not like i i don't really see people when i'm there i'm just working
so i think i'm just trying to find a balance between the two. What's been keeping you busy?
Oh, you know, just trying to figure out how I'm going to make more money. That's definitely my
focus right now. So writing some software, I got some apps and a game that are like in my head,
and I'm trying to figure out how to make one of them
worth paying for as quickly as possible.
And that's what I'm spending a lot of my time on right now.
Interesting.
How do you, as you're just going through these things and like, have you just been trying
Have you just been trying different things?
different things or you're just testing like different pieces?
Are you just testing like different pieces?
Well, you know, you have the ability to prototype really super quickly if you get good at using
AI to code now.
So I have different ideas.
And when you first think of an idea, you know, maybe you're more excited about it than you
should be because you haven't thought it all the way through or whatever.
But now you can just sort of throw things together. I have a few things in that prototype state. I've
worked it further than that. But there reaches a point where you need to ask yourself, would
someone pay for this? And what is the work that needs to be done between where I am now and where
it's valuable enough to someone where they're willing to open
up their wallets. And that's where, you know, you have to get a bit more serious and figure out how
you're going to provide a lot of value. And, um, you know, that just takes time and also
playing with it a bit. And I think that's why the prototyping is so valuable. Like you have,
you can go through workflows and figure out, you know, where are steps
that you can either make things really fun if you're playing a game or, um, you know,
make things save someone time or help them get organized or, you know, something that's
valuable, um, to a potential customer.
But it's, it's hard work to make software that people will pay for.
People have been building software for a long time.
There's huge companies doing it.
If you want to make something valuable, you kind of have to have a problem to solve.
So this is proof that Penny is not in crypto.
Because if he was, he would not be caring about people using, selling the product.
He's like, we're building some really cool stuff.
It's going to be revolutionary.
Y'all should invest in it.
Here's the token. Here building some really cool stuff. It's going to be revolutionary. Y'all should invest in it. Here's the token.
Here's the CA, guys.
Yeah, I, um, there's someone in my DMs right now who's bugging me to, you know, join their
project for some art that I'm doing.
We might get rugged, by the way.
Wolf just disconnected.
I just got the notification.
Oh, no.
Yeah, we're in that final countdown of like 60 seconds for him to reconnect well yeah i don't know action i need to make more money though so
maybe i do need to get into crypto teach me how to just like hype up something that no one wants
to buy and make money anyway oh it's pretty easy i'm not like it's really easy. I'm not like, it's really easy. Like, I hate saying it that way, but it is the easiest thing in the world to do. I just have a conscience. So I don't do that.
Yeah, that's awesome. Okay, so how do I make money in crypto easy and still keep my conscience? How do I do that?
You partner with people that don't have a conscience.
Just sell the product to them and let them do the fundraising and everything else.
That way you can just walk away with something that you know is cool that you built.
And it becomes somebody else's problem.
I reconnected.
You're back!
We thought we were going to lose you forever.
I'm here.
I'm here.
He only does spaces 40 hours a week.
Do all three of you guys find yourself coding and using AI daily to just try to create stuff?
I definitely do.
I use AI daily to do a whole bunch of different things. I'm not necessarily coding, but I use it for marketing proposals.
I use it for research.
I use a whole bunch of different ones too, like ChatGPT.
I use Brock. It depends on what I'm looking for. Like Madness is a really good
researcher. It does a lot of market research and it's able to create docs and marketing proposals
like crazy. It's so good. And then GPT, I talk to it like it's my best friend. Yeah. And obviously
creator buddy for content. It's just like I go to specific AI for
specific tasks that I need done, but
every single day, definitely.
What's AI?
It's
action intelligence. Yeah, I already
got that on key. I'm
good.
You need to set up like AI
robots to help you with your farm action what do you mean you don't
think i have laura when um sensors everywhere notifications when the soil is not moist enough
when the ph is in balance you don't think i've played around with this oh i love it
wait speaking of ai it reminded me of apple. Did you guys, any of you got iOS 26 or whatever that is?
I haven't leaked photos since all that.
So, like, I've been dragging my feet.
Oh, my God.
Okay, so I got it on my iPad.
I definitely don't want to go developer on my phone.
But, yeah, it's terrible.
It does not look good.
I actually really, really prefer whole um UI and all the
everything that they had back then they also changed the camera icon to almost like the OG
icon that they had I don't know this is I don't know why they're spending so much resources when
there's so many like Siri doesn't even work properly man it's been 15 years or whatever more
um it's I don't know i don't know
why they're doing this but uh makes no sense to me this was not necessary very very unnecessary
change and use of resources well don't worry as soon as it launches we're gonna have uh hype man
um alex finn come out like this is the best thing in the world you realize how revolutionary this is
We're going to change lives like right now
Nothing's like it was before right like if you get on this train right now and I'm talking right now
Unless you're unless you do this you're gonna be left behind you're going to miss it
That's why you should sign up for creator buddy because we're gonna add a piece there
That's gonna be exclusive to Apple AI
All it is is a button that says Apple AI is cool
And you need to click like on that
every single day and you're going to get some creator buddy points. Okay. So you want to
load up on those buddy points so you can actually redeem it for something later on.
I'm so confused why that would be partnering with Apple intelligence.
Like what? I'm so tired of Apple releasing the same thing every year.
My iPhone is not any better.
Like I have a burner iPhone.
It's my old iPhone and it's probably like four years old.
And I dropped it one time.
I usually don't have a case, right?
So I dropped it really bad one time and it cracked and I put a case on it and it became
my sauna phone.
I bring it in the sauna that way I case on it and it became my sauna phone. I bring it in the
sauna. That way I don't wreck the battery on my new phone, but there's like nothing better about
my current iPhone than that iPhone. They're exactly the same. And now, Ooh, I got like a
liquid glass icons to look through or something. I'm in no hurry to upgrade to iOS at all.
Your phone in the sauna, kill the battery like long term i mean i haven't
read any studies in depth about phones in saunas but i just assume that extreme temperatures
on a battery are not good for its life so yeah i have absolutely shattered the battery life of my
phone because especially when I'm traveling now,
I use my phone at night to play brown noise.
I just like turn that on and leave it next to my head.
So my phone runs all night and, you know, it's plugged in.
So it's fine.
Like it doesn't die or anything.
But I'm pretty sure like my battery life has completely been wrecked at this point just from doing that.
Actually, that would check out, right?
I mean, obviously, I support what you're doing. You're not using white noise. You're using brown noise. this point just from uh doing that action that would check out right i mean obviously i support
what you're doing you're not using white noise you're using brown noise so there's obviously
benefits there you're not going to get canceled you're probably going to get some uh incentives
you might be able to pick up some bricks on the street um yeah there's there's a lot of benefits
here once you get a little brown noise machine what is brown noise by the way ani you don't you get a little brown noise machine? What is brown noise, by the way?
Ani, you don't know this?
It's the sounds that we make.
It's the sounds of our people.
You mean brown people?
Good lord, action.
All right, let's see.
Brown noise, I think it's very similar.
I figured he would enjoy that one.
Yeah, I was like, I'm brown.
I don't know what brown noise is.
Yeah, very similar to white noise.
It's a lower tone.
That's all it is.
You get a little bit of the low end.
And you need it for the phone speakers.
Yeah, it makes sense.
Because we are a little bit muted.
Yeah.
There you go.
Yeah.
Do you hear it?
Let me see.
You probably have voice isolation on dude it's not coming
through it's just like a low like rumble maybe i should use it on my laptop instead of i used to
just put on a youtube video in the background when i need background noise and i need it all
the time but uh yeah i'll always like have a YouTube video running or something or a podcast.
Well, it was just for sleep.
A lot of people who travel will have a little device that's just for ground noise.
And that way they don't waste their battery and their phone or whatever. You can charge them up and they last a couple days and they're pretty small.
So with all the traveling you're doing, you should probably just get one of those.
I do see.
I do see that they have these little things.
But that is just another thing that I've got to carry around.
But I hear you.
I don't know.
Right now, the phone just does it,
and I'm pretty sure that my battery is already shot.
I don't know if it could really get more shot.
But why don't you use your laptop?
You're traveling with that anyway. The speakers on there are bigger and have better low
end sometimes there's not a good place to just like stick it next to my bed i don't know i guess
i didn't think of it too much but real quick now that we have diligent and penny up here both i
want to talk a little bit about the saga of the past week and get some insights from these guys
into you know trump versus elon and if
they were gonna have to you know pick a side here and what's happening so either one of you guys
diligent penny want to jump in with some uh some thoughts here what did you guys think this past
week i'll let penny go first huh i mean honestly i don't know what to say about it because at first it looked like elon
was doubling down on the epstein thing and like that made me wonder what does he know he could
have access to all sorts of things with you know the people at doge in the computers maybe someone
saw something and showed it to him and then he's backing off and i
don't think he would do that if it was real uh or if it was like super criminal what he saw so
i hope that at this point that there is nothing to it and that he was just overreacting and that
they all get along i think that's better for elon and all of his companies i think it's better for
uh trump and i think it's better for america so like i hope that it boil or that it you know that
it calms down and everyone gets along you know really is it's definitely better for your tesla
stock before you yeah it's not good uh for tesla in general or any of the companies if they're feuding.
But I mean, look, if we want to like throw shade, like definitely I was not happy with the way that at the very beginning Trump was like threatening that.
Like that was the first really stone thrown from my perspective is like, oh, let's remove all of his subsidies and whatever
like america would be shit without spacex you know like basically controlling space for us
and without like the one revolutionary manufacturing company in america tesla like
seriously like you want to start a feud with our best innovator? I'm not so sure you're the first known.
What I saw was Elon complaining about the bill,
not saying anything about Trump or whatever.
And like, you know, maybe I missed something.
I don't know what happened behind closed doors.
But that was the order that i saw it play out what about the rumor that uh
best and and eli got into a physical altercation do you think that's true
oh man i don't think so i don't think that's in elon's personality you think that uh little lex gave elon a black eye uh i've been hit in the face by a kid and you can get a
black eye from it and elon's not like 25 right so it definitely wasn't unbelievable i probably
would have believed it more if i heard he got like a foot in the face but if he told him if he if he
told a strong five-year-old go ahead give me your best shot and he took a shot to the face but if he told him if he if he told a strong five-year-old go ahead give me your best
shot and he took a shot to the face yeah yeah i mean i don't know it's relatively believable
it's it's easily as believable as him getting in a fight like with beset like elon's not a
fighter he doesn't have a reputation for getting in physical altercations with anyone ever.
Like he'll like yell at people and call them stupid, but that's different than like hitting
them.
So yeah.
Yeah.
Um, well, I just, I think that, I think there was an altercation, like not a physical altercation,
but there probably sounded like there was, um, a rift there between Bessett and Musk.
Because, you know, there's so many leaks out of the White House.
And this is regardless of whoever's in power.
It happened during the Biden administration.
It happens during the Trump administration.
The staffers, the walls do have ears and they repeat what they hear.
So that's a fact.
There probably was some inter turmoil going on there before it became public, I believe.
And when Elon started siding with Rand you know ram paul and uh what's his name from kentucky
why am i drawing a blank here somebody help me somebody help me anybody
massey libertarians huh massey thank you massey geez yeah it's still morning anyways um when you started siding with massey uh reposting them and siding
with them you have to consider you know massey was a strong desantis supporter right uh these are
these are people who have never been on trump's side of things they've always gone against i mean
massey says no pretty much to any piece of legislation there it is true
right like he has a valid point on the spending part of it but he kind of he over dramatizes
and i think that's what happened there you know he was being over dramatic i had grok uh during
the space you know we ran the numbers during what penny why are you laughing well
well i've seen you use grok in ways before that i would say produce unreliable results
i was laughing not knowing fully uh this experiment yet yeah well i mean i've used
grok extensively since then right so uh i use Grok to help me crunch the numbers, which it's. This is actually on the timeline somewhere.
You know, we ran the numbers over what the bill would cost over 10 years,
which was, you know, it's like, I think it's five or six trillion.
But they weren't accounting for like doge cuts. They weren't accounting for the investments that companies had made, the revenue that they would generate, and the workforce increases that would come along with it, right?
So there are some factors there that the committee that, the CP, how is it?
Anyways, the committee that, like, generates the costs of these bills the estimated
costs they're never accurate they're usually biased right um you know elon was reposting those
numbers as if they were fact uh the fact is a lot of there wasn't a lot of well he was he was
reposting them as if they were evidence that would prove a point that he was trying to make, right? Like, I don't know whether he was taking that as his reason for believing that there was
pork in the bill or whether or not what he said should be taken at face value, which
is that anyone who reads it would be disgusted by it.
And in that case, you know, he's not trusting some judgments of, of a, I don't
know, a think tank or whatever you're talking about that created those numbers. He's using
Elon's brain to play out like on a macro level, what's going to happen with all of these different
policies and whatever, and making a judgment call on what direction he thinks it's going. And like, imagine if you basically sacrificed, I mean, there were like nasty protests all
across America for Tesla.
Like I was at a couple of them, whatever.
He really sacrificed his own companies, his own time.
He was working for free.
He brought some of his top people from different companies to help out with Doge and build the Doge team.
And it's all about saving America money.
Like, you know, Trump has campaigned on these same things about like bringing up those old posts about like not raising the debt ceiling and whatever.
Like it's he's using Trump's own words against him. And he's like, he's working from a place of principle where if we don't address this,
the country is going to go bankrupt and eventually collapse.
And every single politician is going to kick the can down the road over and over again
until it's the next guy's problem.
Because like, how do you get reelected if you do anything else?
And Elon just like, i don't think he could
stomach it and i think that's probably what happened here so i just i think it's it's a bit
ironic that you know you're like he's using elon's brain to analyze what's in there and i'm saying
i'm saying yeah i'm saying elon was
using his own brain i'm not saying trump was using it i said elon when no no elon i'm talking
about elon i didn't say trump but my point is is like you if you break down the bill right there's
nothing in that bill that trump didn't run on right there was no pork there's no pork really
in the bill the tax cuts are the largest amounts of what you could consider pork. Well, those were promised in the election. Right. The largest amount of non-discretional spending is defense. Right. Which somebody can say, oh, well, you're giving a boon to the military industrial complex well let me just
say this we are on the verge of some kind of weird ai super intelligence military race with china
and we don't know what that's going to look like if we're not spending military money outside of
the united states if we're not sending it to ukraine if we're not sending it other way places and we're spending it here at home i'm for it a part of that is the golden dome which you know
he was talking about using elon and sort of starlink at least resources to help build that
right the golden dome needs to happen we don't have a way to defend against hypersonic missile
happen we don't have a way to defend against hypersonic missile and technology right now
so like there there are so many and border wall security which also he ran on there's nothing in
that bill that president trump didn't run on and so i think that that's probably where the biggest
rift happened when you have legislation and and donald trump branded it and you know he's all about his branding
elon understands that but when you have legislation that the that trump is branding
and it's filled with campaign promises and your once biggest supporter comes out and vehemently
opposes it without explicitly stating why other than you know it's going to
cost trillions of dollars does the big beautiful bill destroy the deficit no okay does the big
beautiful bill lower the national debt no does it increase the debt ceiling yes that's the other big
part of the pork where the interest on the debt ceiling, $4 trillion adds to the
national debt. Okay. That and the tax cuts are the two biggest costs. It also slashes spending
on Medicaid, like Medicaid for illegals, stuff like that, right? It slashes spending in certain
areas where he said he was going to slash spending um it doesn't really move the
needle in cost up or down right and and so like for elon to come out against it like that he
probably perceived it as a personal attack or an attack on the agenda or attack on trump since
there really isn't like a logic there's no logic behind saying that it's going to end up costing us more money
because it's, it's, it's factually not true.
Well, based on the way you present it and I can't really counter it because I'm
the furthest thing from an expert on a bill, but I will say, since you used the
word irony earlier, it's ironic that you would say that elon lacks logic in like in any domain because that guy
is a better thinker uh than probably anyone alive and that's how he builds the best rocket company
and the best electric car company and the best robot company and the best brain chip company
and like no normal person could do any one of those things So to say that like his analysis of a bill lacks logic,
You two are adorable.
This is pretty awesome.
Wolf.
I didn't say it lacks logic.
It's just,
he was going off of emotion and,
and,
and I would even argue that his attacks,
during the dispute,
because,
you know,
Trump didn't make any personal attacks at elon
um he made an emotional response a very public one multiple times and then he he retracted it
and said he regretted it um that's that's an actual admission to not using logic right so
i realize you know i think it's just an admission that he's human and that humans can be emotionally manipulated and they can be emotionally charged.
And like you should factor that into your analysis, Benny, because it's true.
And I'm not trying to shit on Elon. Actually, I found it very humanizing for him to kind of like go through this uh publicly and then to come out and you know
admit that he was wrong admit that that um he regretted saying it because well he regretted
saying uh the epstein thing right and and i and like i can see that they're very good some of his
posts i mean he he didn't say he didn't say the Epstein thing.
He was a little more broad.
I'm sure that's what he meant.
What was your live reaction to seeing that tweet?
I knew it was smart not to take a side
because this is the unstoppable force meeting an immovable object
right like you have the two largest uh personalities in the entire globe these are the most famous
people in the world elon musk and donald trump uh i think that personality clash is bound to happen
um i i honestly think that was an inevitability
uh poorly orchestrated by both they should have handled that in private they should have deferred
to someone else but again we're talking about the largest egos on the planet so it doesn't surprise
me um that's why i didn't like i saw a lot of magGA going hard after Trump or going hard after Elon.
I didn't jump on that bandwagon because I know that we still need all hands on deck to carry out the mission.
And so, yeah, I didn't try to alienate anybody with rhetoric because it's between them two, to be honest with you.
It was really damaging for what we're trying to accomplish here on both sides.
Both of them made irresponsible decisions with their rhetoric.
Yeah, the only way that plays out smart for either of them
is if they were both fooling China for the tariff and trade deal,
like faking a rift between the two of them.
It didn't seem like that to me.
It seemed a little too real.
The way that you describe throwing the first punch, so to speak, I mean, the way that Trump
talked about, quote unquote, like government subsidies for Elon's companies and how that's
the only way that they could survive and that
elon is only doing this yeah but that's bullcrap like you can go back in time and look at more than
one instance of elon saying take away the ev mandate we don't need the ev mandate like yeah
but is that really that personal of a jab is saying oh well
he was for everything until i said the evd mandate thing i mean he was just thinking out loud is that
really that much of an attack uh he was threatening to withdraw federal funding from like that was
after that was later that was after no uh no in that tweet it's implied is what i'm saying so
the first jab was a in response to a question um that was asked to him at the oval office
so the first jab was trump saying that elon was on board until the EV mandate thing was getting rescinded, right?
The bill that was going through.
And that was kind of like the first jab.
And after that, Elon pretty much went like nuclear, right?
He didn't go nuclear until the federal funding one.
He maybe like reposted some of Trump's old comments that said that we shouldn't
raise the debt ceiling or whatever i mean that's not going nuclear though that's like hey look you
said it too bro he was posting like every five minutes dude it was non-stop barrage yeah but it
was that kind of content though it was like some of it was the epstein stuff too that wasn't that wasn't until after
the fact until for sure federal funding withdrawal was implied when he said that like a hundred
percent that was after it i don't know i don't know i haven't had enough copy to to get into this
i mean i honestly i kind of took the same approach as you like i don't want to take sides
like i don't know uh exactly what's going on and you said it they're two of the biggest
personalities in the world but do you feel like elon was irresponsible with this rhetoric
if if uh there's nothing to the epstein thing and there's you can't you can't just say it you can't just say
like this is the difference between us right like i i can say that trump was irresponsible
with his rhetoric towards elon elon was also irresponsible with his rhetoric towards trump
why can't you just acknowledge that well i'm because uh i'm i wanted to give a
caveat first and i mean like take it or leave it like i don't know that the accusations that he made
were based on nothing and if i did then i would say that definitely it was irresponsible like
don't you think that if he if he posts something like that he should bring receipts or does that only apply to every other person on the platform uh i mean i guess you could
say anyone who makes an accusation like that should bring receipts i also think that uh i mean he said
you'll see when the epstein files come out is what he said so then we will get so trust me bro we will get receipts
well or or or or they're not gonna come out i mean i don't know yeah you're look there i will
definitely admit that it was like a childish exchange and it should have happened behind
closed doors for both parties like there's no doubt about that there you go wolf boom negotiated it out look
at that diligent they should make you chief staff who needs steven miller bring him in uh diligent
you gotta be passionate thoughts on what we're seeing in california right now uh i think that it's coming to light that there
there is foreign influence organizing these events uh in the united states um there's evidence coming
to light a lot of it that disease this is organized through soros and through china
and even through some of our own own taxpayer dollars and more of that's
going to be coming out over the next few days. So it's not surprising. It has all of the earmarks
of BLM 2.0, except for instead of Black Lives Matter, it's Mexican Lives Matter. It's the same
tactic, same playbook that we saw in 2020. It's just not going to work this time because we're more prepared
and more educated.
So I think that you'll see
Democrat cities,
which won't push back, burn,
like we saw in Seattle, Los Angeles,
a little bit in Georgia.
And that sucks for the people
who live in those cities
because not all people
who are Democrats are bad and not all people who live in those areas are bad.
But they're going to have to live with the consequences of their governance.
And unfortunately for Democratic cities, that means burning and looting and pillaging and riots.
So enjoy. Enjoy. I hope you vote differently next time another thing is
you know this thing with iran i think is probably gonna overshadow that real soon
yeah it seems like there's been a lot of news recently the middle eastern stuff there's also
that plane that went out today that went down today you guys saw that yeah i was
go ahead i was gonna say i didn't so if you saw it speak up yeah i saw there was like a plane that
went down with 200 people 200 people died uh a jetliner and then one guy survived on c11a
Then one guy survived on seat 11A.
You know that in perpetuity, that seat is going to be sold out on every flight forever.
Because I can tell you what, if I ever fly again, I'll be ordering seat 11A.
Because he was the sole survivor.
Was that confirmed?
It appeared to be confirmed.
Colin Rugg posted it.
And he does pretty good
homework before he posts so yeah i would say it was a show they showed the flight manifest
and um his interview was he said that so was this dude sitting in his seat though like how
would that like he was sitting in his seat yeah and he was asleep and he said he said i said i
think he said he fell asleep or he was sleeping.
And when he came to, he looked around him and bodies were just everywhere.
And then he was wandering around and they came and picked him up,
took him to the hospital.
Well, you know, if you were sleeping, maybe your body stays relaxed,
you know, tense up or something like that, going into the panic.
Maybe that's like some of it.
And then, I don't know.
I always was like wondering, like, what if you're in the bathroom?
Like, is that better?
Is that worse than being in a seat?
Oh, you're dead.
You're dead?
Dead?
Okay.
Yeah.
I wasn't sure if bathroom would help or not.
Probably not.
That would be my guess.
But yeah, no, you are correct.
It does look like this guy is legit.
I see a lot of reporting happening on it right now.
Yeah, yeah. He this guy is legit. I see a lot of reporting happening on it right now Yeah, yeah, he's like easily it seems to be legit. So it's a it's crazy. Oh Kumar
Kumar you can't swear you have to follow the rules if I bring you up
No, no n-words no hard R's
You have to follow the rules in this space not my space
That's a good good disclosure to make
um kumar tell us about the one survivor oh definitely but i missed the disclaimer
because i was connecting you know how it works so can you repeat the disclaimer one more time
yeah yeah no no n words no hard R's here, sir.
You got to follow the rules.
No hard R's.
Okay, got it.
But, you know, let's get...
I was wanting to talk on the topic that you had originally.
But, you know, the last name of the passenger is also Kumar, by the way.
And, you know, it is Viswash Kumar.
Viswash means faith and Kumar means Kumar.
So faith and then the number 11 that goes along with it, which is kind of crazy.
And you know, the departure time of that flight or the boarding time, sorry, the departure
time of the flight was also at 1.10, which also has 1.1 on it.
So I don't know something to do with number 11.
And at the same time, I looked at the flight map the seating map I found out that that was the seat the very first
seat in the economy class I could be wrong but from what I saw it was the very first seat in
the economy class and it's those emergency window seats you know the window breaker seats where the
the flight attendants give you the warning oh
you have to do this and do that so he was sitting exactly right there with the extra leg room that
definitely the guy was rich he paid for the extra leg room although he could not buy the business
but he was able to probably break the window right before it caught the fire definitely a brahmin
then right definitely a brahmin not an untouchable uh an upper echelon in the cast. Something with it. I mean, I look at the picture of the guy
and he's wearing certain kind of like,
you know, mysterious jewelry
and stuff like that.
So he must be into something,
must be a very hardcore,
high morale person.
I don't know.
I shouldn't be guessing all these things,
but I'm just saying,
something right there in the name Faith itself,
along with Kumar,
Faith, you know, Faith.
I mean, this is also doing... How many individuals...
The guy was just walking, bro.
The guy just came out walking, yeah.
How many people in India have the name Kumar?
They have a lot.
There are a lot of Kumars in India, obviously.
But it depends on like, only an Indian can say what Kumar is what kind.
So again, an untouchable will never have a name Kumar, by the way.
The Shudra, the low class, you know what I'm saying?
They would never have a Kumar as a name.
I wouldn't hope so.
But anyways, that's not the point.
The point here is that, you know, one person just came out walking, man.
Just out of that plane where with the boarding pass.
He also showed the boarding pass.
Boarding pass as well.
And I recently had to travel from india
i'm not going to mention which airline but it was kind of crazy for me because just a few days ago
i returned to america and you know it just makes me feel like and that was also an international
flight because i came from an international flight and this was also an international flight that's
why the casualty matters the more most
because you know these people mattered I mean obviously every human life matters but
the international travelers usually you know and this guy's who's survived also is not an Indian
by nationality he's a British national so that's what it is but his name is obviously Indian
obviously he must be a naturalized citizen of uh united kingdom and legal immigrant a legal immigrant yeah
appreciate that appreciate that well there you go you got the breakdown the numerology
the cultural context everything it's pretty the astrology part as well i believe and then again the topic that you were discussing man you know illegal illegal immigrant not it's called illegal migrant versus legal
immigrant there is a reason why you call them illegal migrant versus legal uh immigrant because
you know when once you cross the border illegally that by itself is a felony that by you know what's funny is that legal migrants uh like kumar they can't stand illegals right that they they illegal immigrants not
migrant not migrant not migrant yeah legal sorry legal immigrants illegal aliens okay i'm sorry
legal immigrants cannot stand legal alien yes yep and we cannot stand illegal immigrants or illegal migrants because
it's a united states is the only country in this entire universe which has such a strong
wedding system you have to pass through certain things you have to qualify for the for that
position even to get a visa you know you have to go through a wedding process
a process which is very deep critical highly scrutinized and it's like you know you have to
go through several layers in several layers they have to like the total background check and
everything else and then you have to stay in the country legally and then be a law-abiding citizen without any criminal charges on your record.
And then after fulfilling certain requirements,
you get to actually become a citizen of the United States.
So again, anybody who is illegal,
I mean, they're illegal because they did a crime to begin with.
The very first thing they did when they entered the United States
was a criminal act.
They shouldn't be supposed, they're not supposed to become a citizen or given any kind of uh
legal status on this country because if a crime if you allow a criminal what they're going to do
is criminal activities as we can see in all these cities all across u.s they are criminals doing
criminal acts and it's not something that is very amazing to me because that's what they're supposed to do
this conversation uh wolf reminds me of something too i heard yesterday on the radio
i know that you have work fellows in the philippines correct am i right yeah yeah yeah so
there is a massive hiv uh outbreak in the philippines now. So make sure that you tell your friends,
your coworkers, your people, be very careful over there because it is, I'm serious. There's a massive
HIV outbreak right now in the Philippines. So, and be careful yourself when you go visit.
Oh, thanks. Thanks. Appreciate it.
You know, keep a hands off approach.
All right.
We have hit the top of the hour.
This was fun.
This got filled with a lot of different convos, but I enjoyed all of them.
Appreciate everyone for coming on.
I'm going to jump over actually to our wolf trading space here in a minute.
We're going to be talking entrepreneurship on there.
Should be a good one.
Diligent, any other comments for you on here?
I'm good, man. I'm going to be'm i've been on traveling the country with my daughter uh if you guys scroll my timeline you'll see videos uh we've been to the grand canyon yellow
stone i mean literally everywhere uh we drove from one side of the country to the other now
we're on our way back and monday i'll be tripling down on content spaces and otherwise i'm going to try
to fulfill my promise to end platform manipulation in spaces that's going to be a very sophisticated
or a surgical surgical maneuver there so uh just keep your eyes peeled monday i'm back to work
full time uh and i'm tripling down in all regards hey diligent are you doing that are you covering the the trump
military parade mate will we be able to watch that are you going to be streaming that mate
i'll try video spaces seem to be a little bit messed up uh right now uh yeah i don't know if
i can i don't know if i can get away with it i very much i'll stream the audio if i can
i think it's going to be the no kings protests that are going
to overshadow that unfortunately though yeah action any other comments for you
low energy in here today wolf what's going on um i don't know i think we're just chilling i i've
been all morning at the new york stock, so I've been just up really early.
Honestly, I've not slept much this week,
so that might be my fault.
Usually if I have a little bit more sleep in me,
I'm a little bit more energetic.
What's Penny up to?
Penny.
Guilty of the same.
Not enough sleep.
Are you in New York too, Penny?
No, no. I'm in san diego what part of the country you in now uh we're in oklahoma uh my cousin's dad died
this week so uh i came here to uh we had a funeral today so we're gonna be dealing with that for a couple days then we're going back
back home sorry man well i hope that being around the family helps uh things come out from that is
sucks to lose family so appreciate you showing up still on here by the way and taking the time to
be with us even when you're dealing with all that um thank you, diligent. As always, Penny, appreciate you.
Action, take care.
I'm going to jump over to that Wolf Trading space.
Go talk some entrepreneurship.
Appreciate everybody for being here.
We'll see you on the next one.
Have a good one.
Bye, guys. Thank you.
