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This is now a 24H Telethon - Ordinals After Hours 2.0
Recorded: March 28, 2025 Duration: 3:08:33Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic discussion, crypto enthusiasts explored the evolving landscape of ordinals, emphasizing the importance of community resilience, the potential for growth, and the need for a cultural shift within the ecosystem. Key topics included the impact of upcoming projects, the significance of digital art, and the necessity for collaboration among community members.
Full Transcription
Music Thank you. uh yeah so i am super sorry about that so i'm always really really careful about uh whenever
i um anytime like i get twitter notifications i'm always really really careful
about clicking them because uh when you you know if i get a notification on the pizza account and
i click it it automatically clicks over to the pizza account and so i uh yeah i accidentally
did that it looked like a notification for this Twitter.
I clicked it and it was a pizza Twitter. You lose hosting privileges from here
on, motherfucker. That was so
goddamn funny. Right as
we were getting the meat of the answer,
Pete's like, nah, fuck it.
We don't need education here. We need to get back to our
roots. Just fucking
off. I'm super fucking
upset because it was
good. We always have a good time, but yeah, fucking off and like i'm super fucking upset because it was like it was good like we had
really i mean like we always have a good time but like yeah like this is a really really fucking
good conversation uh and of course like my fucking i just saw the twitter notification i'm like oh i
gotta see what the fuck that's about i don't know who that person is god damn it man like i fucked
it up i'm i got i'm sending sovereign another notification I shit you not, I literally just rejoined the space
Because like I told you, I have to bounce
I only rejoined the space
To tell you, by the way
Your wife is probably right
You need Adderall
And for the record
I have a doctor here who is also
Echoing that statement
Well, you know, let her let her just dude tell her you
dm me like have her dm me from your account and just tell her to send me a script really quick
hey uh update guys we also have a uh fucking the biggest possum i've ever seen in my life
crossing in front of me right now that's like a small dog jesus christ colorful maps in front of
you uh no like a map no yeah this fucking dude like i really fucking shit the bed with this colorful maps in front of you? No. Dude, like, I really
fucking shit the bed with this space.
Holy fuck, guys, I'm so sorry.
Well, this was the
second space, because I was on the
machine DAO space earlier, and
right when AlphaGamer was talking about
Udi, it drugged the space.
Oh, no shit.
Dude, it's, I mean,
again, like... It's a conspiracy't doesn't he know that nox and
i are jews yeah the jews control twitter like this is this is fucking proof of it man like the jews
are taking over um i okay so i think at nox i'm with you man like i don't i don't love the bite
perfect stuff like at all i just think it's fucking lame.
Real quick, just to back up on what... I guess Steven's gone now, but either way,
I want to touch on this for a second.
And that's that...
And someone removed RG, and he got banned from the Space.
I don't know what the fuck happened there.
That's weird.
Dude, it was probably an accident.
As I was re-inviting people,
I probably just misclicked.
But obviously obviously we love
rg yes we do we love but i'll i'll say this and i i don't think he's gonna sweep the cat's floor
right away i do think he's gonna sweep the wizard's floor and what happens when the wizards are like
fucking mooning and if that now the cats start looking over undervalued so people start you
know naturally sweeping those as well okay it just depends on how well you can like, I don't know, make the market for it really.
Okay.
So like, I, okay.
But counterpoint, like, I don't disagree with you because like, if you're looking at it purely
from a trading perspective, anytime you have an asset that comes out that just, that goes
insane, you're always either looking for potentially an undervalued asset in that same ecosystem,
if one exists, or you're looking for like a beta for that play outside of the ecosystem, right? So
like in this instance, you would say Taproot Wizards, biggest men of all time. So like the
Bitcoin Wizards, even though that's the OG meme, they would be the beta, right? For Taproot Wizards.
And in this instance, obviously you're talking about QuantumCats. So you look at it and you say,
okay, well, we have Taproot Wizards
sitting here at half a Bitcoin.
Man, QuantumCats look really good here at 0.1.
So the only thing I would say to counter that
is normally you and I are pretty lock and step
with stuff like that.
I agree.
But the thing that I'm hung up on is like the taproot
wizard was like the thing for quantum cats right like yes well now it's now it's the token whatever
sure right and so like in obviously dude that is like a very, very powerful motivator. Like we've seen it time and time again, people like have TGEs and you know, the, the fucking
like Azuki's went like, I mean, even recent examples, like Azuki's went from like, I think
four to like 12.5 elementals, like four X doodles went from like 1.2 ETH to like almost
five. went from like 1.2 eth to like almost five um so like even shit that like you're like man i don't
even think people still care about this project like you know fucking doodles uh like they announce
a token and boom fucking instant 4x right on the fucking on testnet so i i think obviously that is
a really compelling argument and obviously like if there a token, when there is a token, rather,
Quantum Cats are going to get a piece of the pie.
But in the short term, if Udi isn't...
For sure, for sure.
Because if Udi is going to market make one asset,
it's going to be Taproot Wizards, right?
So in the meantime, Quantum Cats takes a bad seat.
Yes, eventually, at some price point,
there's going to be this giant disparity,
and they're going to look undervalued.
But again, without the official token announcement,
and I know this space is full of speculators,
it's like, okay, well,
when Quantum Cats ran up,
it was for the Taproot Wizard speculation,
like, how many cats are you going to need
to get a Taproot Wizard, blah, blah, blah, blah,
Udi Market making, all of these fucking things but now that the end game
for those cats is here like what does it look like and yeah i think short term like quantum
cat's outlook's probably not super great but i also think there is some threshold um where oody's
like okay well like if it gets really bad i'm definitely not letting cats get below this point
right um and other people in the space too like you know sovereign was talking about it as a Woody's like, okay, well, like, if it gets really bad, I'm definitely not letting cats get below this point, right?
And other people in the space, too.
Like, you know, Sovereign was talking about it as a trader, and, like, me as well.
Like, at some point, you just look at it, and you're like, okay, like, I think you just buy a quantum cat here.
But, like, the volume also isn't there in Ordinals, where you actually feel super great doing that.
Like, because, you know, once upon a time, you could make a trade like that, and you're just like, cool, like I can be in and out for like, you know, two or three grand profit in like four hours.
Like, that's not really the state of the market right now.
Right.
So if you decide you want to make that play on quantum cats, like it's probably not going to be a super quick scrape.
But yeah, I don't know.
Like, it's going to be it's going to be interesting to see like where everything is when when the dust settles, I think.
Like, so what's this token that they're going to
launch? It'll be on their shale too
that they launch because OpCat will never be implemented?
Who knows?
I mean, actually,
we were speaking to
last week, Pete. No one will be able to
buy it, dude. It'll be licensed, protected.
Yeah, exactly.
Just so you know, anybody claiming to
buy this token
does not own any likeness rights.
The token will not be tradable, actually.
That's coming to the new TNC, okay?
If we go back to that, just for one last point.
If Udi is serious about that, he would sue Grug.
And I think Grug really wants him to sue him.
I really want that to happen.
No, man.
It's not about that.
It's not about that. It's not about that.
Udi does not have the rights to this stuff.
He's licensed it from Mavens.
The point is about protecting your own ass
just in case. You never
know what happens. You don't sell something
for $30 million and
say, hey, we'll just see where the cards fall.
We'll see what happens. Who the
fuck knows? Mavens is nuts.
He could just wake up one day and just be
like yeah fuck this guy i don't like him anymore no you make it you make a contract you're ready
you get lawyers involved and you do particular rights and the lawyers wrote up that fucking
licensing bullshit that everyone's posting all the time so i you know i i don't know it's anyways
we don't need to get back into that i think like
we're a serious space and we're not a serious space that's true like we are definitely not
a fucking serious space like at all like not listen this third whatever the amount of money
is is a serious amount of money though and regardless of whatever i know they didn't
think it was 30 million before but they planned on it being a lot. So, you know, when you're making a lot of money, you want to protect that lots of money simply. Yeah. And I, again, like the, the thing that I
was talking about too, before I decided to just rug the fuck out of everybody is I think ultimately,
do I think that this feels like the next ordinals run? I don't know. Again, I'm trying to be
cautiously optimistic, but I don't think that you can deny the amount of eyes that are like on our ecosystem right now as a result of
this mint like you have fucking kobe with the fucking wizard um fucking who's who of people
like getting wizards and because fucking udi knows what the fuck he's doing so um you know
there's about to be i mean there was and there will continue to be a ton of eyes on
ordinals because everybody wants to see obviously how wizards are going to open tomorrow and how
they're going to perform through the weekends and the next couple of weeks and kind of see where
the dust settles. So, I mean, in that regard, like it's, it's a positive, right? Because like,
I mean, ordinals, they're like, Oh dude, you're still like, I've had friends of mine hit me up
and they're like, Oh, you're still doing that ordinals thing that's cute like fuck you man
fuck you like of course i'm still doing the ordinals thing like i'm not fucking um you know
obviously like we're all you know we've all done dabbled in like other chains but that's i mean of
course like we i'm like i can't just sit here and like just refresh my magic eden every single day
and fucking cry like i don't want to do that. So, of course, we're gonna, like, dabble
in other shit. Um, but
yeah, I don't, I don't know. Like, I
think, like, gun to my head,
I think Wizards probably open
at, like, point, like,
.37 to, like, .45-ish.
Um, and I bet
we see a bunch of volume there.
Um, I don't think it's going, I don't,
I don't know that it stays there again.
Like it's going to be really interesting to see how that plays out.
But I do think one thing that is working in its favor is it's a 2k collection.
It's not a 5k collection,
7k collection.
Like it's,
you know,
relatively small,
but it's fucking expensive.
Obviously dude,
like we're talking about half a goddamn Bitcoin for these things.
So it'll be interesting to see how it shakes out.
But yeah, I think that there's probably
going to be a ton of sales
in between 0.35 and 0.45.
And then, you know, who knows?
I think the dust probably settles
between 0.3, like 0.35-ish.
I don't know.
Well, I guess we'll see.
Like I think everybody's expectations
are kind of all over the place.
I don't think. I think the guess we'll see. I think everybody's expectations are kind of all over the place. I don't think...
I think the other interesting thing is, like Nox said, it's going to be
how do they play it going forward?
Because
this was it, right?
It was Taproot Wizards and then
trying to get OpCat implemented.
So one of these major goals,
like it's fully done,
like the Wizards are here.
Um, so it's like, okay, like what is Udi going to do now?
Like, cause I would assume they have a plan, right?
They're not just out here, uh, you know, flying by the seat of their pants and they're like,
ah, you know, guys, let's have a meeting and figure out what the fuck we're going to do
with these goddamn wizards.
Now that we've got a hundred million dollars, like, what are you guys thinking?
Um, so like, I would imagine there's some fucking plan in place.
Um, but yeah yeah I don't know
Look it's time to do some crime
Okay like we say that a lot on the show
Like it's gonna happen
It's time to fucking do some crime
For the people who did Mint
Like what are your goals with this
Is this something that you're looking to sell
I think I'm the only one who did.
And yeah, I would say that it is.
It's more of a short-term position for me at this point.
Listen, I like what they're doing
and they're trying to build on Bitcoin.
I am optimistically thinking
that they are going to try to create a market
behind this stuff. And I think they've done
a really good job of marketing it outside
of our ecosystem.
Realistically, it wouldn't have minted out if they
didn't.
Yeah.
We'll see how the cookie
crumbles, really.
This is also the kind of thing
that if they do fail and
it doesn't do fireworks.
And that's probably something that's going to be really, really bad for our ecosystem.
That I think we can agree on like a million percent more alignment there, because I think, again, you're seeing the term like everybody says extraction, bro.
like every fucking mint that happens oh there's an extraction it's like my brother in christ that
Like every fucking mint that happens.
Oh, there's an extract.
It's like my brother in Christ.
mint if that mints out that artist is making 800 like where does he get off thinking he can make
800 for his art fucking grifter um so like obviously like every everybody just throws
that term around willy-nilly just like rug um but i i do think that's um that's one thing that i feel
like is almost a certainty though man like um i i don't think any of us really feel like ordinals are going anywhere. Uh, not negatively. I mean, like,
they're, they're, I don't mean it that way. By definition, they're not going anywhere.
But I mean, like, ordinals are going to exist, not just because of where they are, but I just
mean in general, like there's going to be some level of interest for ordinals, right? Um, I,
some level of interest for ordinals, right?
I just...
If this fails the way
people want it to,
like, I mean, it does
really feel like
Groundhog Day kind of thing
where it's like, you know, the Groundhog sees a shadow
and you have, what, like four to six more weeks of winter?
Like, things aren't going
to be great. Like, we all want the market
to improve for
ordinals like if taproot wizards fails man like that's a doomsday event like ordinals are dead
for like quite a long time because dude it's like if that can't happen although i guess again you
can also have this argument where it's like well i mean you have to like view that thing in a vacuum
because it's not it's unlike any other mint that's ever happened because it's goddamn it's opening at half a fucking bitcoin right so like you know almost
most of the day-to-day players and ordinals like are probably priced out right um i mean like which
is kind of like bullish honestly i mean is it bullish or is it brazen it just a little bit of
both i mean just because of the market
conditions, that's why everyone's yelling
extractor, because if the liquidity
was flowing, no one would give a shit.
Well, it's not just that, but like,
you said you like what they're doing. What are they doing?
To my knowledge, building
an L2 based on Bitcoin upgrades.
Any examples of any test nets?
Any demonstrations?
No, but I've spoken
to some of the developers, and
I do think
that developers are actually powerhouses,
and these are guys who actually
really do know what they're doing.
Yeah, he's fucking incredible, and they're working with
Cypher too, like, you know.
It's like an L2
now, right? Like, it's not gonna be opcat we've completely
shifted they haven't even like talked about that because they know that it's not gonna happen and
we have like yeah mentioned on the timeline ever eric wall barely mentions it he mentioned it like
i'm like oh i'm on your page there i'm on your page like honestly i think they were very misleading
about how attainable that goal was they could have done it if they had the goddamn balls but they were too much of pussies to fucking
go against the problem they could have stopped what's in with the miners the miners would have
been for them they ended up you know who knows who knows what they were decided to suck the nuts
of bitcoin for instead and it was well i think i think they
were looking for more consensus and that's all right i mean who knows what the the inner workings
of that i know they had conversations about what with doing it i know that for a fact so like yeah
they just didn't have the balls and now it's not going to happen now what are they building some
l2 like sorry well well we don't want we we don't want another like bsv kind of moment so i mean um
you know i either way it wouldn't be it's backward compatible it's a soft fork done a hard fork
it's actually like pointing out i think okay but but like but let's let's bring this up though
highly highly centralized and could do this at any point in time and i'd rather someone like
the taproot Wizards
and Rendell and Udi do it than
a nation state in the future.
Because that's where we're headed.
Because they could just do this.
And no one really understands it.
And they know they can do this.
But, yeah.
Well, listen, I'll say this.
I don't know what their future plans are
at this point. I mean, it is interesting that they have backed Odin.fund now.
It's entirely possible that they go into...
Who were we talking to last week, PKK?
I can't remember.
We're talking to Adam McBride and someone else who's working with him.
Oh, with fucking Jake.
Jake, yeah.
He made a really good point that they've invested into Odin.fund now
and that maybe they're interested in sniping Bob as a dev
and starting to work on this abstraction thing
as like their token format.
Who knows, man?
But listen, all I could say is that they are working on stuff.
You know, I've spoken to developers.
You know, they're not doing nothing.
You know, they're onboarding people from other chains.
And, you know, regardless of our feelings about like you
know the pvp style of of doing that within our own ecosystem you know i do think that it is a net
positive that they do well it is and i but i think like you know we've had this conversation several
times where we say uh like we talked about it a couple weeks ago with you know like nexus not
delivering tools um and you know like where does everybody feel when when a mint
is predicated on like these other things happening right it's like okay this mint is happening
because of this this is what it's funding um so like this is definitely one of those things
where it's like 100 million dollars or whatever the fight it's close to nine figures if it's not
nine figures that they've made between the v race. They could just fork ordinals.
They could fork ordinals, make a new implementation, not have runes in it because Udi hates that.
If I had a nickel for every time he said fork ordinals.
Implementations of ordinals that people can run.
It's more decentralized.
It is better for the ecosystem.
That would actually do something positive for the unit.
And they don't have to actually do anything.
And they should do it because Udi talks shit on runes all the time even though now it's like baked into the ordinal protocol that he loves so much um well i do but
i think what what i before like we get to that like i think the one thing that i wanted to say
though is like when we've said what amount of money is it where people are just like okay
fucking show me something it's goddamn 100 million dollars like people want to fucking see something they're like all right motherfucker like the wizard isn't
enough like show us it like literally anything anything show us a nerd on a computer doing
something show us fucking cypher eating a goddamn snickers and typing on a fucking keyboard show us
something show us something well i've been also also keep in mind that this is a space where anyone actually shows something that they've built.
You know, all the speculation behind it immediately gets sold off.
So, like, there's a double-edged sword there.
Like, oh, like, we are building something, and here's what it is.
And then they were like, oh, that's not.
That is fair.
But I think everybody just kind of feels, though, um you know the people that have negative shit to say it's like dude like that is just an
unholy amount of money uh you could pretty much do anything you want so you know get shit done
and i agree with you like they were misleading what what they were misleading they were misleading
about opcat like 100 fucking percent they were um and like people are calling them on it like
mumbling's not like there's several people on the timeline that have fucking called them out about that.
So I do actually want to the reason why I stepped up is just what's up.
What's up, bud?
Yeah, I just wanted to say something real quick about that, actually.
So I'm actually glad that you brought it back up.
So I obviously bought this cat because this cat is my pfp right now um so you know it'll
probably go back to my frog soon but i've been putting a lot of effort into some shit on the
timeline so you gotta look you gotta look respectable with your cat man yeah you gotta
but um yeah so i don't know when i bought this thing. There was a time where Udi did say
that the goal was to get the conversation started about, you know, a soft fork and that any soft
fork would be, you know, like in the near term would be a win. I i mean like that doesn't change the fact that like you know i agree with
you like where is like can we get some updates on what's going on or something like that um and
you know what else is going on with that company but it's not just that the sense like his personal
actions has made it so that opcat won't get implemented right like the way he'd be act his shilling of
that solana token shit like this like the core devs won't even take him remotely seriously he's
just like putting us in even worse of a conversation and even worse of like a like atmosphere in our
eco if that's the guy who's representing us and he wasn't doing that right in the beginning of
ordinals when he was trying to get this stuff online then it kind of fell through he was trolling everybody dude what do you mean he wasn't he was like
tokens on the timeline nox no not that a lot of tokens were even anything but
i feel like that was a mistake like an honest mistake and i like i don't i like i'm like a
freaking cat on right so like you know it's okay just say how you want to say nobody nobody except for me
nox harmony sovereign mumbling and psychonauts are gonna say oh this fucking homer oody dick
rider like nobody else is gonna think that sense so you good you just say exactly how you want to
feel man you you tell us tell us what you think yeah i i mean like look i have notifications on
for him and a couple other cats right especially as Especially as we were coming up to feeling like Taproot Wizards might be minting or something like that.
I'll take that back.
Liz is here.
Dude, I got hit with all of those notifications for that Solana coin.
And it was crazy.
And I was like, my first thought was, Udi, what the F is going on?
And then I was like, I don't have time for this and this many messages.
So peace.
You have time.
Right?
I got rid of them.
But when I like went back later on that night and started like reading up on everything that happened, like, he made a mistake.
He knew he made a mistake.
And he didn't know that dude because he's just not paying attention.
People like Post Capone have told him that his actions are going to make it so OpCat has never been implemented.
And then he just does shit like that that's going to make it even more certain that OpCat was always a long shot, right?
And it was like, yeah, I think in the beginning when they launched their QuantumCats collection
and they built that whole roadmap and that path to OpCat, I mean, yeah, for sure.
that path to opcat i mean yeah for sure i mean that that certainly gave gave people the impression
that you know this was this was like this is something that we're actively actively working at
um and then and then and then yeah and then i think i heard him on on a spaces recently where
he was he was basically calling tapper wizards and Quantum Cats like luxury items and like nothing to do with OpCat so
there's definitely a narrative
shift
and then like it's just like the
constant like he hasn't done
anything for the last six months in this eco
except shit on half the eco right
like
after I sell
because I agree with you guys
I hold like OpCat and OpTV.
No, I fully agree, but the thing is, I meant it.
I'm invested in this shit, so if we can just talk shit in, like, two weeks, I would have really appreciated it.
Look, we're getting a...
Dude, we're getting a Liz appearance back-to-back weeks.
There aren't enough people in this space for you.
Well, I came to Fudd Knox, honestly, last week, and he wasn't here.
And then the motherfucker shows up
as soon as I leave.
So, Knox, I hope you know I came last time
just to fudge you, and then I saw
Harmon here today, and I love
Jalapeno Pete, but no, I came here
to legitimately fudge you,
and then I got fucking whitelisted.
Yeah.
To be fair, Liz was really out there
working for her shit. She was
no shame begging for a
fucking wizard's whitelist.
I don't know why I would say no shame begging for
a whitelist. I mean, some content.
Yeah, and let her have that win.
So stop betting.
Dude, I'm happy for it.
I agree. I agree. All things
that people have done
related to potentially trying to get a taproot wizard
Should be forgiven
Well with the darkened sentiments right now guys
Everything should be forgiven
Like have you guys seen the timeline
Everyone's fighting with everyone
Everyone's nasty with everyone
Right now you can't even breathe properly
I know
Liz can you turn that background noise down for fuck's sake
I know what the fuck is wrong with me
I mean people have been fighting
For the past couple months
It actually has felt a little better to me
In this last like week or two
Carmine today someone told me that I get on my knees
For whitelist
I kid you fucking not
I mean that
I went Because I was going to fucking pay for the token fucking not. Uh, I mean, that, that...
I win, because I was
gonna fucking pay for the token.
I don't even know
where to jump in here anymore. This is like...
Like, now we have talking weird,
like, we're talking about blowjobs
for whitelists. Like, we're off.
We're off.
Dude, I literally got accused of that today
just because I was defending a fucking drop
And I was like
Normally I fought everything
Mumbling you're back in that cringe spot
In your house buddy
You're back in the cringe spot
So hopefully we'll be able to hear from you in a second
But at the moment
You are in the cringe spot
I just
It's funny as fuck
I wanna circle back to i it's funny as fuck like i want to circle back
to something it's funny as shit that i put out that tweet talking about like i want to support
all the people that like have been here and like i'm tired of the infighting and then i make the
joke about poly and good things and then it just spirals i'm like god damn it dude like i just
can't help myself like i just can't help myself and like again like i wasn't like it was in jest but like of course like i'm like okay like i'm
sick of the infighting which i do is like oh am i no i hear pete oh you like cut out for his
like uh maybe i was like but yeah like i like i it's like, like, we're sick of the infighting, it's time to do some good,
fucking immediately just have to
fucking jump in and fucking
say something. But no, like,
it does get old, man. Like, it really, really
does, but ultimately, if
Taproot Wizards does really, really well,
and a bunch of people make a lot of money,
like, guess what? Like, all of a sudden
the fucking vibes are back. I don't know if you guys
remember, there was a small mint from an ETH team a couple of months ago
that was vibe changing.
You guys remember Fugo Hedrons?
Like, remember, like all the Bitcoin KOLs let us know
that that was a vibe changing mint.
That wasn't vibe changing.
That was a vibe changing mint.
It took them like a whole three days to like,
oh, two days to mint out.
And then after that, it was vibe changing
when they finally minted out.
But they only got to like 300 and something dollars and then it went
Back and where are they at now
But it was delayed vibes
See it was the delayed vibes
I agree with you
See normally I fudge shit so the fact that I was
Like happy about something and people would talk
I was like damn but I'm like the biggest fudder
Yeah that
Delayed gratification
Go ahead
Let's just Let's just roll it back for one second Delayed gratification Liz, ultimate Go ahead, Nox
Let's just roll it back for one second
I think
Taproot Wizards in general
Last six months, Ordinals, everything
Yeah, Udi's been shitting on
The runes protocol the entire time
Obviously
Because he wants to launch his own
Let me finish mumbling.
We're shitting on BRCs before that and wanted rooms.
I agree.
Everybody's shitting on those.
You didn't start your R6 before fucking 8888
and didn't pick something up after.
Like, I'm sorry for you.
Yes.
Okay.
So we know this happens.
It's all been PVP this entire time.
You know, Udi's coming in on that i will say the whole
thing with the solana token huge misplay i will say that he also supported rune toshi's
rune rug as well shrek is love so that's something else we should bring up
yeah so i mean i don't know and i think what really rubbed a lot of people wrong about that
is like i you know i looked through Udi's thing.
How many times has he tweeted about like pizza ninjas?
Like, never.
No, he supports her eye once I fucking let all my pets die.
He supports Nox.
But that's the way this scene is.
No, no, no.
Guys, guys, how often does Nike tweet about fucking Fila?
Order in the court. Order in the court. Listen.
I can't believe we're at
a spot. I cannot believe
the fucking goddamn a year
of this show where I'm gonna have to call for
order in the fucking courtroom.
Okay, so my thing
is I want- I'm here. It makes sense.
I like- no, dude, like, obviously, like,
we're fine with it. We love it. I like that the show
is different in that regard, but I do
want people, especially like sense doesn't
usually come up. Liz, you obviously, I want everybody
to feel like they get to say whatever they want to say.
Obviously, Knox does not want
mumbling to speak, so Knox is going to keep speaking
over mumbling.
He speaks over me every time, man.
Jesus Christ. Okay, so go ahead, Liz.
What were you going to say first?
Just so everybody can kind of say their piece about what Nox just said.
Oh, now no one wants to speak.
Nice. Nice.
Nice.
Well, I didn't finish the thought, though.
Like, let me...
Okay.
Point is, is this has all been like pvp this entire time there's
been a lot of questionable things i think like that whole like piece of ninja thing is a good
example like why are we supporting a known rugger over someone like trevor who champions and invests
in this ecosystem all the time you know what i mean like that's stupid and brutal and i think
you can look at that and be like well what the fuck are you doing man and i get like i don't know
so can i interject and say
that like but a lot of us are just trying to make profit like for me when i've been sitting and i
knew that the worth of it i was like well i'm gonna try to sell out a profit and then if i can
get in lower than what i actually meant it for and i still have profits and i'll get back in but
the reality is that we're all here to make money guys so regardless of how you want to see it so
do you want to do it like on lower tier, on the higher tier?
What is it that you're trying to do?
When you have a trading plan,
you have to go with that.
Everyone just votes with their wallet in a shitty way
because they want to make a quick 2X
instead of real...
Yeah, of course.
Something like puppets where you get a 50 to 100X
because it's a real community, a real group.
But you realize that when
you're 2xing 18 000 versus 2xing 3 000 is a fucking difference you buy more of the thing
yeah but isn't that what we do all the time here too though is invest on like lower tier things
and like lower lower ones that trying to come up but we're not even doing it properly because if
you're trying to do that then we're trying to a hundred to 200 to 300 in order to do it properly.
Are you saying that puppets can't get to half a Bitcoin or to one Bitcoin?
I mean, if that's the case, then she's right, because it would be, you know, we're not going
to see the puppets 2X in the next week.
Absolutely not.
Maybe eventually. And do you think that this is going to see the puppets 2x in the next week absolutely not maybe eventually
and do you think that this is going to 2x in one week it's entirely possible i mean
literally the option was almost at 1.5 it 2x is literally 0.5 from 2x it 2x is tomorrow like i i
can i confidently like i genuinely believe you're going to see several sales above .4 tomorrow.
Like, I, like, look, I'm fine being wrong, but fuck, dude.
Like, even if it goes for, like, .36, and that's where all the volume's at, like, mentors aren't going to be upset about that.
I mean, like, a lot.
Not the .1 mentors.
Yeah, no, of course.
Like, or the .2 mentors.
Fuck.
Because, I mean, that is a really good point.
Oh, shit.
I'm going to block all of y'all because we're poor.
Well, I mean, the thing is, Mumbling is literally nine fix.
So when you're saying, I'm buying a $16,000 asset to 2x, and Mumbling's like, why don't you just buy more?
Like, Mumbling's going to sweep like 44 Wizards tomorrow, okay?
So, like, he's just built different.
But, you know know most of us
it's not 0.1 it's 0.3 because you had to buy the mumbling i'm following you i didn't even know that
about you um no well i don't even know since like obviously like i don't even even if i had a white
list like i don't have the funds to fucking min a wizard right now anyways. But what let you min for point one?
Businessman was right about you.
Oh, dude, I've never said I wasn't.
I've never said I wasn't.
I have five kids.
I never said I wasn't broke.
Dude, I'm trying to let go of mine as soon as it hits point four.
Like, who wants it?
Liz is like, damn, this floor is point three, four.
Cool, I got my point three, three, nine my 0.33999 listing loaded motherfuckers let's
go um Liz is going to cheat a wizard faster than anybody's ever sold an asset as soon as trading
opens but no like I um I I just I think yeah I I think it's very very different like when you're
talking about 2xing like 16k versus you know 2xing because Because that's the thing that triggers the fuck out of mumbling, too.
It's when you have these people that are buying something for $40, and then they sell it for $80.
And motherfuckers are great dancing all the time.
I think buying a JPEG for a 2x gain is bad risk to award management.
It is terrible.
I think it's terrible.
That's fair.
That's fair.
But I don't think Liz is wrong either.
I mean, pretty confidently you could have minted the wizard
and knew you were going to make money on it.
Also, RG, you don't...
Yeah, this is not one of those hand spaces.
I got you. I got you. I just got to jump in here.
Yeah, it's RG on my other account.
You kicked me out and I couldn't get in.
Dude, I went to invite you as a speaker and i think i accidentally kicked you so i'm sorry about that
oh my god um yeah i was gonna basically say what mumbling said like the risk reward profile like i
was gonna ask for if someone knocks you said you got a wizard like what's your upside best case
scenario and like what's the downside scenario and like
the asymmetric upside of like a true investment where like you're going to put capital at risk
and you want to get 10x 100x your money and your downside is zero that's that's a or not downside
zero your downside is losing one times your money that's like the asymmetric risk you want to go for
so you don't want to like take a bet that maybe you 2x your money but the chance that you lose all of it is also pretty high like that the
whole venture capital private equity game is all like understanding the probabilities and the risk
reward and like where you i feel like we use the term invest very very lightly here like it's it's
more trading than investing investing is like a completely different thing so like i just don't know that it's worth it like maybe i'll too like
is it gonna is a wizard gonna 10x like super unlikely in my opinion
um you know what i with the wizard i'm happy with the 3x or 2x because of the amount of money that
comes from it so if i were to mint something regular for 300 and i'm making another 300 or 600 that's not shit but if i'm gonna make another 20 or 40 000
and yeah i'm really excited and with the alternative fucking buying art that's not
art on bitcoin that's not gonna get me anywhere either the problem is you have your capital at
risk i was about to say you have all that money at risk So if you make And I would have even more money at risk
With art that's not fucking selling
And I would know because I have
Fucking five wallets with art that's not
Selling
But you could just not spend any of the money
And not risk it
Liz is not in it for the art
Liz did you buy your
Quantum cats
No I am because that shit's just sitting there It's not even listed Liz did you buy your quantum cats? No, I am, because that shit's just sitting there. It's not even listed.
Liz, did you buy
quantum cats?
No, because then I
was like, this shit's too fucking expensive.
So that's why I jumped on Taproot, because I was
like, damn, that shit was not too expensive
for the profit.
So you minted at 0.2?
Yeah.
Proudly, motherfuckers. And I'm going to sell at 0.2 yeah proudly motherfuckers and i'm gonna sell at 0.4
just watch my fucking wallet
yeah i can definitely see that happening
i i think i i get where you're going um rg though um in terms of like uh you know there there is a
lot of risk do i think it's going to go to zero absolutely not i think there's other things that
are at play and i think that um honestly these markets are a lot easier to
manipulate than we give them credit for it's kind of funny because we're always like screaming about
how oh decentralization and like it's more fair and this and that but like these are probably like
way more manipulated markets than like even our corrupt like financial tradfire kits which are
just completely fucked.
So do I think it's going to go to zero?
Do I think my low end, I feel like maybe 0.28,
but even then, I think that there's ego at play here, and I think that there's VC investment behind it
that expects a return that uh you know that will go behind like will go beyond
this you know so like i think at a certain point i just they have to in terms of like sentiment to
like keep it at a certain point so they can please the vcs and so i i don't know so i think there's
like more things at play here than just saying like hey like you know gamestop's investing in
fucking bitcoin now so they're an undervalued company and in the next like five years we could see that company like you know fucking 10 20x from here you're betting
on the fact that this isn't just like an ordinary regular average ordinal absolutely you're betting
on the fact that udi is going to prop it up in some downside absolutely as bad as something
random would be absolutely absolutely absolutely this isn't just like hey the art
looks cool i'm gonna invest in this because why not this is like you know there's a lot of money
and big names behind this and i think there's expectations that need to be met um and you know
if you're if you're meant quote-unquote fails then you know like what do you where do you go
from there you know and And I think that there's
a lot of VC investment that wants their capital back and they want to profit.
So you may have just given them all the capital back and they don't need a profit anymore.
Like that's the crazy thing to me. Like when it, with the, with the corporate type mints,
like the crazy thing is, is like the investors have all the capital protection. They come in,
they put in their money, they get a liquidation preference of probably two to three x like you know their downside is like probably very limited
udi probably is has equity and skin in the game and maybe he may take some off the table
you know if the mint is successful but the minters like they have no protection
like they're the bottom of the stack they're taking the most risk and their upside is
the least of everyone it's just like the dynamics it's crazy you you're absolutely right but from
what i understand with this that the exit is not going to be the taproot wizard is going to be the
token offering and that's what vc expects and and um you know in every everything leads towards that
um and you know a lot all of the speculators,
or like the bigger players are talking about a token.
They're not talking about the floor.
Have they actually announced a token?
No, but I mean, it's definitely been hinted at.
And I think that's just...
And speculation runs this market.
Like, love it.
Exactly.
Like, it doesn't matter if there's even,
if there's a whisper in the wind that there's going to be a TGE for this shit. Like. It doesn't matter if there's a whisper in the wind
that there's going to be a TGE
for this shit. It doesn't matter.
That's all the glue eaters need.
That's all they need.
This is
a team that knows how to run
a really good marketing campaign and
create narrative as well.
What makes tokens fucking go wild?
Boom. Liz, do not wait for the token. No, yeah. Create narrative as well What makes tokens fucking go wild Boom
Liz do not wait for the token
No yeah
I would not
We were talking about morning routines
Which I actually do want to talk about for a second
But Liz's morning routine tomorrow
Is she's going to post in the morning
And say GM
Post a picture of herself and probably a low cut shirt
No hold on And she's going to post in the morning and say gm post a picture of herself and probably a low-cut shirt then then no hold on and she's going to be in line at starbucks at 10 a.m and as soon as like
on her x-verse ordering her latte right and she is going as she is ordering from the barista she
is going to be cheating the fuck out of her wizard and that's going to be the most enjoyable coffee
liz has had in her entire life okay that's wrong i would have got my coffee at 8 a.m well it's second coffee it's
like you guys don't drink second morning coffees you fucking animals oh my god what not everybody
has five kids here am i understanding that correctly you don't have a second cup after
your shit i don't have five kids either i'm still my coffee. I've got a kid-sized dog.
I mean, I don't know if that counts.
Your dog looks like it's the fucking size
of three of my children, dude.
The size of you, bro.
Hey! Hey! No!
No fucking short jokes this week.
None.
Okay, so I do...
Obviously, this show has run...
I mean, we're fine. We're going to keep going.
But I do... So the obviously this show has run, I mean, we're, we're fine. Like we're going to keep going, but I do.
So the other thing I wanted to talk about was, Oh,
before you, before you go on, I think since you didn't really get a chance to like jump in on the whole
thing I wanted to hear.
Um, but yeah, so I don't know.
We talked up there.
A lot of stuff has been talked about since I was about to make a point.
But I guess where I was going previously was that this is a small community.
And I don't think that this Mint was for us.
I think that this, I think actually indirectly it's for us.
But I think that this Mint is, money-making opportunity for some of us, right?
People who did well and had the money to spend on it and are interested in a 2X or 3X or something like that.
It's certainly something that's valuable to people who have been doing all these quests and things like that,
and maybe they're in
it for a different reason.
I think it's okay for people to be in it for a different reason.
I think it's also okay if people did well last year or whatever.
Maybe not a lot of people did.
I don't think a lot of people did, but maybe they did.
They have the money to do that.
I think there's also just in general,
some really rich people in this scene. And this is just another trophy for them to buy and for
them to put on. And it's a hype thing. And this is either the beginning of us coming together
with Bitcoin wizards coming out and other mints coming down the pike and like stopping
this that we've been doing like we're we're a small group of people who are infighting constantly
if we actually rallied behind something just one thing for once right like we could potentially
make enough noise that everybody sees us and Udi has already started making the noise so I would
suggest that we get on the timeline and continue to make noise uh because you know I don't think
that it happens by us just sitting on our hands uh essentially let me just jump in real quick
Pete because you mentioned something about people being rich I noticed, I think I mentioned this last week as well,
but Robert, I posted this up top.
Robert posted a tweet talking about
how much money is actually on the sidelines
in our ecosystem.
There's over 4 billion of Bitcoin
that's just waiting in like wallets
that have interacted with like experts, et cetera,
which is insane.
And, you know, so, I mean,
there's definitely liquidity there.
People are just being stingy because it's Bitcoin, I think, which I get And, you know, so, I mean, there's definitely liquidity there. People are just being stingy because it's Bitcoin, I think.
Which, I get it, you know?
A lot of it is founders who are just not reinvesting in the ecosystem.
I'm not sure $4 billion would be, like, the entire...
Not the entire, but...
But me and my circle have done some wallet tracking and you would be surprised and how
many have, you know, what they have in their wallets. Fair enough. But, um, either way I,
I do, um, I appreciate the sentiment of like, we should try and like be, uh, we, we should try and
rally behind something and try and make something. I, I don't know. I feel like the ecosystem is so
split at this point that like, and when you have people like mumbling going on every space
saying four cordinals four cordinals four cordinals he definitely just gained a fan in
sense because sense basically just came up and said believe in something and that's basically
the mumbling has seven believe in something bumper stickers on his uh daily driver so like since
just gained a massive fan in mumbling you know you know he's rich when he's got a daily driver
yeah yeah well of course i mean dude like we're not gonna talk about the private jets the sports
cars the motorcycles i mean this man's basically like vin diesel dude he's just got this fleet
of vehicles that he drives that he drives all over the world. But, um, okay. So like,
I really, really do genuinely want to talk about grifters because, uh, just because like, it's not
just because of the discourse that's been going on in the timeline over the last couple of days.
Um, I've felt pretty strongly about it since Tommy announced that he was doing it because one,
they look like shit. Um, two, I think it's a dumb fucking thing to do um and three like obviously
to me the the money thing isn't as big a deal well although so hedrin did post this earlier
so i'm gonna share it but up until i saw this i was like you know what like depending on when
these were inscribed because i have no
fucking idea when tommy inscribed these right um so i was like depending on when they were the fees
that they were created with though you can see how much it cost i i dude i did not even do that
much digging but when i saw the price was 30 bucks i was like okay maybe they're just trying
to get like mostly inscription fees back um but still i don't like it Like I don't like the idea of somebody that isn't the artist putting that
artist work on chain.
I don't give a fuck if it's CCO or not.
and then like,
because it's Tommy and he has his supporters,
which is fine.
Like I don't,
I don't really have an issue with Tommy,
but like to come out and just be like that it's this hype thing.
And people are just like,
Oh my God,
I need whitelist.
Like Jesus fucking Christ, dude, this space is way more retarded than i thought and i didn't even
think that was possible like i really didn't like i did not think that we could get any more retarded
but everybody's just like oh dude i need this i need this and like all of the support it's like
dude am i fucking insane on eath do you know how many x copy copies there are like people take X copies work all the time and put it and, and mint it.
Sure. On ETH, you're correct. And there's several artists that are on ETH that that's all they do
is X copy derivatives. Right. So like, yeah, like, of course I'm aware of that, but I, I,
am I crazy to try and hold like art on Bitcoin to a higher standard. And that like, we don't have people that are just like,
Hey,
like,
and it's,
to me,
it's even worse because like Tommy is a founder in this space.
Like he's a known founder who has his own fucking project runs like a daily
show.
And then he's like,
I'm going to go ahead and put fucking grifters on Bitcoin and fucking charge
people.
I mean,
aren't OMB a derivative of punks?
That's not, that's not the same thing, Harmony.
You know that's not the same thing.
We already had grifters, right?
Wasn't there like a Bitcoin grifter in the early days?
I feel like I've seen this playbook before.
I honestly don't know.
I just really don't. Again again like i've never liked bite
perfect stuff i don't want like us running back the eth 2021 playbook on ordinals like i don't
want that to happen um like obviously there's a bunch of like early bite perfect collections we
have like um somebody did the moonbirds collection um There's like a bunch of them And they're all fucking terrible
Like nobody wants that shit
Like how many Bite Perfect collections
Are in the top
1000 in volume in Magic Eden
The last fucking six months
They're not
Because nobody gives a shit about them
And nobody fucking wants them
I think that the issue
They're removed from Magic Eden because you
made them remove them.
What?
Well, I'm
obviously like, I'm not just referring to that
one. There's a bunch of them.
But, go ahead,
Sense. I was going to say, like,
he's building a brand over there, and the brand is supposed to be high end so i don't understand this particular move maybe i don't
know the art or something but i don't get it it's like a 30 dollar mint um i don't know his thing is
like limited and more of a spoke so it doesn't make sense to me.
Yeah, it's just a weird move altogether.
So I wanted to see, obviously, since I talked to a lot of you all the fucking time.
And I like topics like this.
I like saving shit like this for the show because I think it's interesting.
And I don't want to have the same conversation with Nox three fucking times.
So for stuff like this, I'm like, you know what? I'll just wait to't want to have the same like I don't want to have the same conversation with Knox three fucking times so for stuff like this I'm like you know what I'll just
wait to talk about him on the show um so you know we can all have like input um but yeah me personally
I don't love it and I loved seeing uh LeFou call him out last night uh like and say that it's
fucking retarded and I'm like dude but like that's also what I'm talking about like founders with
platforms calling bullshit out is like what the space needs more of
because like, it doesn't have to be this everyday thing, but like you want to see people in
this space with a platform, like holding other motherfuckers accountable.
So like, I love that LeFou said that.
And then, yeah.
So Hedren said, um, that it was 3,700 bucks to, um, inscribe all of the grifters.
And if the mint went ahead and sold out,
that Tommy would pocket 16 grand.
Okay.
And I think Hedron said that it's kind of napkin math,
like it's not exact,
but it's obviously clear that he would have made.
Oh, wait, Hedron's doing math names.
Come on.
Why is Hedron doing napkin math here?
Why don't we do it here?
What are we doing, Edrin?
Yeah, like, he
even chimed in to say something about it.
So, again,
like... He can't be doing
napkin math. Like, do the real math.
We had a whole space about
napkin math with him.
Yeah, we did.
We did. Actually, you're fucking right.
Like, he's the last person that should be doing back and back.
After the shit that went on with Ordinal's Genesis and, like, the shit that they caught.
But, yeah, like, I think, obviously, dude, like, when something's CCO, we are fully aware of what that means.
But I don't like people.
Like, it's different if, like, I owned an X i'm like man you know what i really want to have it on bitcoin too like sure like
it's my right to do that i am not porting over every x copy to try to sell it to make some money
but again like to me it just looks like it's shittier to me and it looks worse because tommy you know somebody that is
somebody in the space no one would care if it was he went like hey it'd be cool to bring these over
to bitcoin and save them forever we should do a self-inscribe free open fair inscribe mint
yep no 100 no one would have cared uh a hundred percent if it was actually just about the art
you let people self-inscribe more money doing could have made more money doing that, too.
And held some.
And also, the other part of it, too, is
they don't look like compressed pieces of shit like they do.
So there's also that.
They're like 1.5 megabytes,
so it's not a really realistic
thing to do.
I mean,
I guess there's traits.
I haven't really looked at the Grifters collection. Yeah, why couldn't they do it recursively? Yeah, I mean, maybe guess there's traits I haven't really looked at the Grifter's collection
Yeah, why couldn't they do it recursively?
Yeah, I mean, maybe that would have been
the way to do it
But then, like, how do you kind of do a free and fair
and scribe the traits yourself, you know what I mean?
Well, Harmony, let's not open that can of worms
because then you start getting the people that are purists
and don't like recursion out with their pitch
Oh, Jesus Christ
No matter what you do,
obviously dudes, but again,
that goes back to the competition.
Are these the same people that pretend like the things we're trading
actually live on the stats?
It's the same people
who say that if your collection isn't parent-child
and you don't have a collection,
it's not on chain.
Knox, sometimes when you talk it's just, I love the problem.
I just love when people throw that term, like terms in general.
You mean the parent-child?
So we're interacting an inscription that doesn't actually exist on the UTXO
with another inscription that doesn't actually exist on the UTXO,
and then pretending like those UTXOs mattered interacting with the images
together. I mean, yeah, that's what we're doing.
Remember, this isn't a serious
industry mumbling. We're arguing
about cartoons on Bitcoin.
I think I cut out for my
Sonic rant. Did you hear my Sonic rant earlier?
I didn't.
Oh, please God, no.
Please God, no.
Do you have any of this infighting?
Oh, my fucking God.
Here we go.
Does Sonic live on the actual stats on Bitcoin?
You know where I don't have to...
You know where I can just get free shit every week?
On Sonic.
You know where the founder is pumping my bags every day
instead of LARPing on the timeline?
Yeah, where the hell is Satoshi, huh?
He should be pumping our bags.
People are money.
Make them work for our bags be pumping our bags. Maybe he is, and we don't even know.
Maybe Udi is Satoshi after all, and he's pumping our bags.
Mumbling.
Look, and the other thing I want to say before we move on, too,
is Tio got a fucking Pizza Ninja tattoo,
so Nox wins Skull X tattoo.
Look, I'm getting the pizza chef
My PFP tattooed on my back tomorrow
I've already scheduled the appointment
Mumbling when are you getting your fucking frog tattoo
Man like quit being like we need to quit being shitty founders
Like we are not committed
Unless we're getting
Skull X is the actual
Skull X is the only
One that would actually look good
As a tattoo
I'm sorry like
I'm sorry.
I'm not a fan of Pizza Ninja art.
Oh, hold on. Mumbling, what did you say
about the Ordinal show?
Have anyone
been there recently?
Yesterday they were talking about bidets
for like an hour.
Trevor never talks anymore.
It's all about John's thing.
They won't even mention Taboo. It's like they all sound so bad. It's all about Jon's thing. They won't even mention Tebber.
Oh my god, they all sound so bad.
It's crazy.
I think Leo and Trevor
just straight up don't like each other anymore.
I don't know what's going on.
No, they do.
And they work together. They're fine.
The ecosystem's been fractured
in a big way right now.
Udi was friends with Trevor and Leo,
and they ended up falling out.
And then you have, like, we have all these, like, separate cabals
that all fucking fight with each other all the time.
You have the businessman cabal.
You have the fucking, you have the pups cabal.
You know what I would feel bad for Leo if he didn't shit on BRC20?
It's a fucking long time and bitmaps for such a long time.
Yeah, it's not a great situation.
You get what's coming to you, right?
We need one cabal.
We do.
He got so mad for Udi shitting on runes,
but he literally did the exact same thing for, what, 80% of all inscriptions?
Yeah.
It's just crazy to me. Well, now it's just crazy well now it's now it's kind of crazy
because it's like he's not even I mean he's sold like almost all of his ordinals that we can see
in public wallets now so it's kind of like now it's like a hundred percent everything that
Leonidas does is to do with dog and it's all and you know credit where credit's due I mean
he's built in an incredible community behind it and And, you know, there's, you know.
Except we did the math on today's Machine DAO space.
And, like, the machines are paying everyone out for our machines mining dog for the past year.
Right?
We get $25 of dog.
No, not $25.
$25 dog a day.
And that's going to equal about $ oh boy yeah no i i mean i think
a lot of people don't talk about how the fact that it's like mostly in like dead wallets too
so the market cap is completely fake um i don't know it's uh it's it's kind of no other space do
we just like argue about retarded protocols that only devs in their basement should be arguing about.
And no one should argue in public.
Nowhere, never have I seen which ERC-795 or 440 is a better protocol.
Never in my life have I seen a space like that.
Yeah, this is all we do in this space.
Like, a bunch of...
Dude, but you...
Well, it's true. And, like, you know what happens on ETH? You know what else? I don't see this one. Like a bunch of... It's true.
You know what happens on ETH?
On Sonic!
Oh my god, dude.
You knew it was coming.
You knew it was coming.
There was no shot Mumbling was making it through the spaces
without talking about Sonic.
And you know what?
I'm fine with it.
But he's also fucking right.
Like, if you actually look like...
I'm very, very detached from ETH stuff.
People argued when Izuki came out with their contract,
and they were like, oh, this is not that good.
No, no, no, sure, sure.
But, like, as we've seen more stuff implemented, like, on ETH,
like, it's mostly people are like, oh, that's fucking cool.
Like, that's kind of it.
Like, there's not, like, these days-long arguments.
You know why they do that, Pete?
Why?
Because the main
DEX just supports all these
protocols automatically.
Uniswap just supports them all.
I don't know why Magic Eden doesn't support BRC20s
and every other protocol.
I don't know why all these other places don't support
all the protocols. It is actually retarded
to me.
Yeah, I mean, that's fair.
But it's also like, you you know what protocols on ETH
are just making like absolute game
changing or you know dramatic impact
to your experience in terms
of what you the activities you do on
on chain right
I remember like I remember when
like I remember when ERC
6551 came out on
ETH and made NFTs equippable
it's all what everybody talked about for like
three or four months but outside of that i haven't seen anything that like culturally changes your
experience on eat that much maybe i'm wrong is really that much different than beer no no but
to be okay but to be fair though sovereign sorry mumbling but to be fair like some of the stuff
that's talked about like on bitcoin doesn't really fundamentally change your experience on bitcoin but it doesn't stop
everybody from arguing about it like they fucking know everything about it and they're just like
for weeks and months on end we're just like it's like a thousand year war right um so like i so
like i do agree with you like a lot of the stuff that is being implemented over there like it's not
some game-changing thing but like also in general like as much as we shit on like as we we've like shit on eth stuff in the
past because we've all we most of us came from eth like you don't really see it it's just kind
of like it's there's consensus people like yeah that's cool man whatever like maybe it works maybe
it doesn't work it's whatever um but like yeah like on, it could be like the minor, like the most insignificant thing ever.
And we are hosting 18 spaces a day.
We've got fucking 9 million fucking tweets about it.
We got people threatening to fucking drive to their homes and beat the fuck out of each
other all because of some fucking minor thing.
And it is like, it's ridiculous, man.
And like, I think that ultimately all of these things
that we're talking about um it goes back to what sense was saying and like what we've all talked
about at one point or another it's like let's just all fucking believe in something man and
like because that that all that's happened over the last nine months is like all of these
communities like everything within like the ordinal's ecosystem, like everything's fragmented. It's not just
mindshare that's been fragmented. It's liquidity.
What little liquidity is left
of it's been fragmented, right? Like, so it
is. It's just this one
massive fragmentation of our
entire ecosystem. And we're talking about
an ecosystem that isn't very big to
begin with, right? So we
can't, like, and it just doesn't
fucking stop
Brother love you
Fucking cocksucker
I love you too man
Well I mean I think the reason why
We are so
Emotional and and do a million
Spaces and get all crazy on
Each other is because we do we do
Believe in something
I feel like the bitcoin space has more conviction than any other space or maybe there's just a lot
of bag bias but i don't know well also it's because like just just a couple of years ago i
mean we what could we do with our bitcoin right it's like a dinosaur chain, inflexible and unable to do anything.
And I think that the biggest game-changing, mind-bending thing that happened with Ordinals is it set off this entire possibility of actually having fun on Bitcoin and doing stuff on Bitcoin.
I just think that we just won't see the impact of that for many, many months or years to come,
but that's what we've started. It's really a seismic shift in terms of how Bitcoin is perceived,
I think. Also, i think this idea of
like let's all get behind one thing it's just like something we can say but in reality like
okay who decides what that one thing is like nox is going to want it to be skull x and i'm going
to want it to be psychonaut and someone's going to want to be puppets and so like everything here
we are like everyone has their own shit and i I think the thing to get behind is Ordinals and is the protocol.
But it's not like we're all going to align on the one thing that we're all going to ride our horse.
Obviously, whoever got in there first is going to make all the money and everyone else is just going to follow.
Yeah, I mean, like, but also, like, when other collections that maybe you don't hold win, mention them.
Talk about them.
I think that our problem is, I noticed this in the very beginning.
I had a bunch of frogs.
I thought the frogs were great people, for the most part.
I mean, there may have been one that wasn't great but
for the most part they're all still there and it's good lore there what's that i said this
is really good lore behind that one yeah yeah i mean holy crap is there a lot but i mean you can
like talk to people in a discord even that if you ever want to hear about it go into the discord
even in the public chat and just ask but any which way um oh my train of thought train of thought when i've got the
the spotlight i can't stop talking otherwise somebody else is gonna talk mentioning talking
about mentioning other communities you don't have to buy their stuff yeah yeah okay so like we always
talked in our discord about the fact that um you know, even some people that owned frogs, and we knew owned frogs, didn't really talk about them, right?
Like as if we were blue chips, and we were the number one project for an entire year, the first year of this entire fucking thing, right?
thing, right? And it's like a bunch of people who have lots of followers decided not to talk about
it, right? Meanwhile, it was consistently number one, and they just didn't want to talk about it
because they knew that they had their own stuff that was coming down the pike, right? So like,
our problem is that the people that are in our ecosystem that have the most followers have all started their own projects and can care less about the overall thing anymore.
Right. And all they care about is their own thing.
And but but that but they don't want to say that.
Let me say that. There used to be a system for the influencers where they'd all get a little bit of the action of each one's projects
and it's very very clear that this
has died with the way the
Ordinal show is going. It's very clear they are
not getting any of the benefits
of the recent
mince that are happening or anything about
it. So yeah the whole
system of the Ordinal K.L. Wells
is now broken and doesn't work
it's all fractured.
And yes.
Brilliant.
No, I mean, but it's fucking true.
It's 100% true.
Is that why Good Things and what's his name?
That's exactly why Good Things and Polymath decided to do their own collection.
Because they're not getting the handles.
Like, they used to be.
So they're like, okay, if they're not doing it,
we're doing stuff for this space all the time.
No one's going to give a shit when we bust our ass for this space.
Okay, we're going to make our project ourselves.
And why wouldn't they?
Well, there's not really, like,
liquidity to spread around right now.
So it's not really, like, I don't know.
There was just the largest mint in history
right and that's got bitcoin that liquidity you're just not spending it on actual collections
that liquidity mostly came from out that liquidity came from outside of ordinals though
not you spent money there instead of spending on organic communities in the system.
You don't think I spent...
Okay, but Mumbly.
But he's not going to get a return.
But also, let's talk about Liz.
Liz spent money there,
and I'm sure Liz doesn't have money to burn.
The space won't change
unless all you motherfuckers
stop voting.
Mumbly, you think me,
someone does not support
the little ego?
Come on.
It's 20 of you, Nox. It's 20 of you, Knox.
It's 20 of you.
And you guys all will do it.
Okay, well, I'm going to get my two acts.
I see Knox buying a liquid art all the time.
Mumbling isn't taught.
Yeah, but that's not the point that mumbling is making.
Dude, there's not a single person here that would ever question Knox supporting projects ever.
I think mumbling just didn't
point isn't nox my point isn't that that's what i'm saying it's not yeah that's what i'm saying
so it's not nox right nox is doing what everybody else who are similar to nox should be doing
which is supporting the ecosystem right i mean like make money but also support the ecosystem the whole point is the onboard people
i mean how are we losing sight of that right like if people if new people don't come here
and and people just start leaving then we'll all be here alone and it'll be just all 10 of us
talking about the same shit so i don't know
yeah i the space would also be just a lot better if like we didn't give so much money
well this is this is something that like spans across all of crypto and when you have something
like you know uh you have something like like know you have something like the ordinal space
which is like a very small community
it becomes more apparent but I mean look at the meme
coin space it is like literally like
friends and family and
all sorts of shit like everywhere they're just fucking
extracting as much as they possibly can
like the fucking trump coin
like it's
you know
I think that
I think that we're trying to like solve a bigger issue here that is not solvable.
You know what I mean?
Like.
Then we'll just be digital beanie babies.
Mumbling.
That doesn't happen on Sonic.
We don't have a strong space.
There's not one person making a ton of money on Sonic.
Oh, there is.
Mumbling is.
But I get free shit every week. Itumbling but i get free so i don't care
right like give me free shit give me free shit and if they i'm not gonna get in the bitcoin
eco you know i'm gonna do i'm gonna bridge my shit over to sonic and stake it in a tomb
fork to give me free shit because i'll talk to the dev and it'll give me free shit
hell yeah dude dog on sonic let's do it i can do it hey let's go the ctrl team is behind it
let's fucking go wait grid wars on sonic is that is that what's going to happen
is brc is brc 2.0 right the only free shit that's going to come into the eco and actually
give some type of like organic bottom up like growth in the eco is brc 2.0 like coming up like i don't
see anything else happening like china like injected a lot of liquidity into the system
like why wouldn't they inject more and i don't know it's just by the way i do think i do think
non-fungibility is going to make a massive comeback like this cycle that's one of my pet
theses i think that we i think we just like, just drove
ourselves into fungibility hell with meme coins and it just had
to basically run its natural course.
You know, it may be over, it may not, may not be over, but I do think that like,
you know, these, these special tokens that you have attachment to, and it's,
it's not only digital, right?
I think like, well, firstly, like ai is going to really accelerate this right this this concept of um what is what
is actually scarce in this world of sort of limitlessness um i also think like it's irl
experiences and irl like you know physical representations of digital art will also become
more important so i do think that like non-fungibility on all chains will, will make a comeback this
cycle simply because we're going to value things that are genuinely scarce in this world.
That's where everything is seemingly become completely limited.
So I think everybody wins in the end, basically.
That's a really good take.
I mean, I was tweeting about this yesterday and i think that like yesterday uh really like this whole giblet gibletfication that's been going
like kind of viral is like a really important moment for everything you know um i mean it's
going to get to a point where like everything's going to be like so oversaturated everything is
going to be so accessible everyone can create every kind of art instantly
and you know i think that there's going to be a definite flight back to like real humanity with
this shit um and you know i think mumbling you were even talking about this you think you think
even like the early ai stuff that could actually make a comeback, but I'm trying to put my dad
Of course
Which is kind of like it has it has
I have been buying AI art from the very beginning because of this from the very beginning from the very beginning I I wear a
Astral Chad in Discord most of the time.
Alright, guys, are we voting
sense off the spaces now? I can't listen to it anymore.
Are we fucking booting him?
No, we love saying.
This is literally the second time
in the last two weeks that Astral Chad
has been brought up in my presence.
That's actually phenomenal.
I probably only heard it once, even when were coming out and so it's a sign it's a sign you should sweep the
floor oh hell no just let sense list the 46 that he has first i'm pretty sure no i bought one i
bought one i bought one back in the day but you know also I was just sort of like buying a whole bunch of stuff and I was like, oh, early AI play.
I was like, this is going to be something that is going to be crazy and life changing
for like world changing.
And I was like, so it makes sense to, you know, there's like, there's like making money
short term and you know, don't get me wrong.
That's good.
Right. I do that. Right. You guys do that. There's also like sometimes where I'm just like, you know, don't get me wrong, that's good, right? I do that, right?
You guys do that.
There's also like sometimes where I'm just like, you know what?
I'm going to buy this.
I'm going to throw it in a wallet.
And like 10 years from now, if I'm still alive, maybe that's like insane, right?
Because that's what happened with Bitcoin.
And I turned down Bitcoin in the very beginning in a Google hangout with a bunch of stoners.
And they were like, man, you got to get this.
And I was like, no, you're out of your mind and I'm not going to take financial advice from you.
Dude, the first time I ever heard about Bitcoin, it was like it was $81 and my buddy was using it to buy ecstasy and he's like
look man if you don't care about bitcoin's potential just know that you can buy all the
drugs that you could ever want with bitcoin and i was like i was like hey you know what i'm fine
and i dude i think like i mean this man is still on a ledge every single day i think he spent i
don't know 250 350 bitcoin Bitcoin on ecstasy.
And he just every day thinks about that.
He still was with his mom and dad.
So now he has no nerve endings.
He's actually kind of fucking insane because of that.
I'm not even joking.
He literally had fun staying cool.
See, I prefer my story.
My story doesn't have all that.
Right, right.
It has regrets.
Although, you know, I'm sure that, like, you know,
in the moment, though, the ecstasy was probably fucking great.
But, you know, hindsight's 20-20.
But, no, like, I don't know, man.
Like, I think we talked earlier about, you know, we don't know exactly how things are going to play out with the secondary type of reserves.
I don't think anybody knows what the ecosystem is going to look like in six months.
Like, obviously, we all hope what?
If something doesn't happen, it would be this cycle would turn into the biggest failure for Bitcoin from onboarding of non-institutional money.
Right.
Like it would just be.
Like the whole point of all of this is the onboard people to bring people to bring that entire industry of this crap over to Bitcoin.
industry of this crap over to Bitcoin. So like, and clearly they need to build more infrastructure
for, you know, the meme coin thing. And, and it doesn't seem like that was planned, right? Because
BRC just sort of popped up and there had to be some sort of solution to the, you know, fact that
it sort of clogged up the train, the chain every every now and again There had way had to be a solution
They didn't have to be
There could have been more work. Well, no, there had to be some sort of solution, right?
a BRC 20 solution or rune solution or something
Coins
See listen look the answer to all of this is you just fucking fork it, sense.
God damn it. You just fork the
meme coins, you fork the
ordinals, you fork the runes, you just fork
everything, okay?
You're not sure how...
I know Dejan's down there calculating,
but the real problem is don't scale up
Bitcoin, right?
They're not going to implement anything to upgrade it
anytime soon.
You can't put many transactions on chain. right like they're not going to implement anything to upgrade it anytime soon they're not going to
like you can't put many transactions on chain like it's just not built or meant to onboard
the the the ancient bitcoin whales are coming for our jpegs our the ancient bitcoin whales are
preventing us from having fun with our jpegs god damn it and people aren't talking about this
but won't they also prevent us from forking bitcoin
no anyone can fork it it's just they'll fudge you to death and say this is worth nothing
because it's not actually bitcoin but i mean like that therein lies the issue the whole reason that
ordinals are like this where this really cool innovative thing is because they are on l1 bitcoin
they're not they're not a fork there is something that you know it is a meta protocol but it is it pretty much entirely on chain on l1 bitcoin so you know same deal with
anything else that happens yeah i mean like i'd rather keep it like this on bitcoin inscriptions
are on bitcoin ordinals are on an index yeah well the token tracking is all yeah on an index. Yeah, well, the token tracking is all on an index and whatever.
Of course.
It doesn't actually live on that UTXO.
He wasn't going to live that slide.
If they cut it and they say
no one should use it, then what's the point
of forking it?
Therein lies the issue of why
The act of forking.
Therein lies
the issue of why Ethereum was created,
my friends.
We're going down a whole other path here.
But is anybody like, I mean, I want like as we're sitting here talking about all of these things, is anybody thinking, you know, like we've talked about like the how Udi is just shit on our ecosystem for months and months and months. Did you maybe think the reason why he invested in Odin
is because he's going to,
him and Bob are going to work together
to put ordinals on ICP?
You guys think about that?
Maybe he hates the ecosystem so much
he's just going to bring it down
and he's going to take everything to ICP.
Or maybe, I mean, he's talked about Solana quite a bit now.
I mean, perhaps they use abstraction
to have like an l2 you
know what i really love seeing guys you know what i really love seeing like two years later after i
built a bridging product to you know other other chains when everyone was there's like oh why would
we ever use another chain it's only on bitcoin baby baby now everyone and their fucking mother
wants to you know you know what that's called? You all can suck my dick.
You know what that's called?
It's called You're a Bad Marketer.
That's what that's called.
Is anybody going to talk about the fact that the Wizards Mint was on Solana?
Sub 10k instead of sub 100k.
Well, being early.
We are 100% going to talk about that because i think that like that kind of goes
to what mumbling said mumbling nobody wanted it because one mumbling is unlikable two he's a shit
marketer and three in that moment there there wasn't a need for that bridge but now we've get
we get eight dollars a day and daily volume of ordinal so we're just like come on baby let's
get some of that coin liquidity let's let's get let's get some of that fucking solano liquidity over
here input your seed phrase on a browser like i know i know dude i know um but again like i think
that we like okay so to talk about what you were saying harmony because i did want to talk about
that like when we were talking about taproot wizards 4.5 hours ago um i don't know why i just had like an irish accent there but okay so like
when we were talking about taproot wizards i did want to talk about that because like i am curious
if like obviously there's you're not going to see you know like a serial rugger like
degentralized you know launch a project that people are like oh man i hope i can pay in this
because he's the worst and we didn't even bring him up, honestly. Don't even give him a platform.
Nobody wants to buy anything that DGN shirt does.
But like, no, but all joking aside,
like I am curious, not unlike what we talked about with Steven,
where like, do we start to see what Steven and Metablends did
with Behold as kind of this thing
that maybe starts like a mini narrative, right?
And you start to see other people, you know know putting their art out there in that way like maybe more mints do start doing
that because obviously we have all of the solana bridges all of the solana bridges now um so like
maybe you do start seeing that you just start seeing mints start accepting fucking payments
it's just like okay like you can pay in bitcoin like i mean fuck dude do you guys remember what
it was like when ordinals first started like especially like with like, okay, like you can pay in Bitcoin. Like, I mean, fuck dude, do you guys remember what it was like when ordinals first started?
Like, especially like with like ordinals wallet, like we, like we took payment and sold BSV, like cryptos that I'd never even heard of.
Like you could just fucking buy ordinals with any currency and every currency imaginable.
Um, it's like, I don't know.
Like, do, do we start to see that going forward?
Because Lord knows that's all anybody wants to talk about is the amount of
liquidity on Solana and how we don't have anything fucking here.
Like everybody's just so horny.
Like every time we talk about liquidity,
that ends up coming up.
It's like,
well,
did I tell you that dog fart compass did $18 million in volume in the last
15 minutes?
When was the last time you saw $18 million in volume and anything on
Bitcoin?
So like,
that's all everybody brings up.
Any fucking time we talk about this shit, it's, oh,
the liquidity on Solana.
Solana is down
55%.
Trump created the blow-off top, man.
No, I do like...
The liquidity isn't down, though, but...
You think I was joking about
bridging to Sonic.
Me and Zach are on a Boeing campaign. This will happen very soon. Shut the fuck up bridging to Sonic? Me and Zach are on a bullying campaign.
This will happen very soon.
Shut the fuck up bridging to Sonic, dude.
Holy shit.
I will be farming tomb forks with my guns.
Yeah.
While y'all still continue.
You're going to teleburn all your ordinals onto Sonic?
No, I will just bridge them.
Harmony Jesus.
What kind of nonsense is he talking about?
Look, dude, obviously he wasn't here earlier.
He doesn't know that Sovereign likes to poach people's ideas.
So, like, the CTR team has been building this bridge for over an hour.
You got Frontrun already, dude.
Sovereign's already building the Sonic bridge, bro.
You got Frontrun.
Dude, I've got...
Where are the good APRs on Solana?
I've got Andre Crania on Speedtail, dude.
He's like, it's done.
Fucking done.
Okay, we're definitely going to start wrapping this
because I didn't realize that it was fucking midnight.
Okay, what else is on my list?
Somebody did start talking about the Ghibli thing.
That's why I posted that thing up top
because obviously there's been
a lot of mixed reactions to the Ghibli thing in general and just AI, like, you know, like
coming for everybody.
Um, James Cameron was right, by the way.
I just want to say that.
Um, so I mean, how do you guys feel about that?
Because like, obviously there's been a ton of uproar from people that, you know, from artists, animators, that, you know, this Ghibli thing, like, they don't fucking like it at all.
So, I mean, I'm curious.
Like, obviously that's all over the timeline right now.
Like, all I've seen for the last week is people's morning routines and the Ghiblification of everything.
So, like, where are you guys at with all of that?
Whenever someone's scared of something, like, oh, artists are afraid, animators are afraid,
I feel like something really important is happening.
I mean, the fear is warranted, though, I think.
No, well, why would it be warranted?
Then they should just innovate.
They should do more interesting things.
I think a lot of people are about to lose their jobs, honestly.
Like, I think, like, why would you hire a graphic designer at this point?
I mean, yeah, I mean, that's okay.
Why would you hire a graphic designer?
Because you need someone to direct the whole totality of design. Yes, if you're a big
company, you're not going to need 50 graphic designers, but you are still going to need
five of them who do their job really well, who are able to actually curate what needs to be done
and who are going to innovate and use AI to make their jobs easier so they can actually do really cool
shit sure but that that doesn't negatively impact the workforce well yeah i would say that in even
your example 45 people just lost their jobs right there so it's like i don't know i think like it
like i go ahead dude i'll just i'll just say that like i i see what you're saying i mean like 100
like you you need to adjust and adapt and this is the world we live in.
It's like, you know, no one's going to make you happy, huggy toys all your life and comfortable.
You know, you've got to figure your shit out.
But, yeah, no, I do think that this is, like, the prevalence of, like, something that we're just on the cusp of something that's...
They said the same thing when the steam engine came out.
There'll be new jobs.
Oh, yeah, of course.
Of course.
But you can't...
People who know how to work on Steam engines
have no idea how AI works.
You know what I mean?
Right.
Well, I mean, we've been saying that for the past,
let's say, like five years.
People who know how to use AI
are the people who are going to you know go farther
and and keep their jobs and people who don't learn to use these tools are not going to be able to
absolutely absolutely and but i there's probably going to be a lot of short-term pain because of
that in my opinion at least um and i think if there's going to be a lot of already going to be
short-term pain anyways i mean mean, look at companies like GameStop
who closed 590 of their stores just to buy Bitcoin.
Well, I wouldn't say that.
They were looking to cut costs either way.
And that was something even before they started buying Bitcoin.
And the way they raised money in order...
The way they raised money is literally just by selling their shares.
And then now this one is.
My point is people are looking to eliminate jobs.
And it could be just because of the economy.
It could be of a number of reasons.
But all of us need to start getting scrappy.
It's been happening since last November.
For sure.
You haven't really seen it in the data because the government, like, well, one, they keep on like changing, not changing.
They keep on like every four months they'll reassess the data and it's always worse than they said it was when they came out with the actual numbers, like by a significant margin.
Like they shouldn't be missing that much.
And two, the majority of these are government jobs.
And what's happening right now is a lot of those government jobs are getting cut
and they'll probably continue to get cut. And so it'll just get worse and worse.
Like on top of that, companies are still going to continue to
fire people that's already been happening over the past year.
Yeah. No, I do see. Yeah.
It's definitely we're going down that path already
And you're right, Harmony
We do need to start getting scrappy
And figuring our shit out
But it's
Heavy D came up, though
I don't know if you guys want to say hello
Yeah, we were talking about this AI stuff with him earlier
I'd love to hear his take
Well, yeah, and Heavy was the one that Stephen You know, said know said like helped him with everything so what's up heavy how you doing man
what's up um thanks for having me up um yeah like the ai stuff i love that convo because
as a graphic designer and artist it's immediate like i'm i'm looking at this thinking like
yeah like their world is changing rapidly and i'm out
of a job um you know probably would have been if i was 25 in my publishing career uh definitely out
of a job um but there's a there's a bigger picture here it's i mean it's it's transformation on like
you know the the scale of the industrial revolution right like and what's happening is is that it's
enabling people to do less with like more with less so similar to the way that the industrial revolution, right? Like, and what's happening is, is that it's enabling people
to do less with like, more with less.
So similar to the way that the mining industry went
from people digging coal out of the ground
with a pick and an ax, like an ax and a pick.
You know, you needed a thousand people to do that job.
All of a sudden you bring in machinery
and your output goes up, your labor costs go down
and you can, you know, the transformation that has at scale is phenomenal.
It's kind of exactly what happened during the Industrial Revolution, right?
So these things just play out over a long, long period of time,
and we're seeing these inflection points now with the way that AI works.
And the Ghibli stuff was like uh almost like a a moment in time where the collective
kind of digital community just like went oh and realized what was happening um even though they
might have sort of seen little bits and pieces of it uh here and there on the timelines like when
you see it at that kind of scale you're like oh wow it just drives a lot of things home and becomes
one of those like light bulb moments for people but um the second part of that is that it's extremely bullish for
blockchain because like people then all of a sudden realize like oh we need to know the
provenance of stuff like well how are we going to do that in a decentralized way well there's this
thing called the blockchain and so like people have been trying to build solutions around this forever and a day on different things here and there but primarily
like if you zoom out and look at the space that we're in that's exactly what we're doing we're just
um you know verifying on on chain and in a decentralized way so i think for a lot of people
that maybe looked at crypto and didn't really understand it or didn't want to even deep dive into it like the dots are starting to connect for them and they certainly
are for my like web 2 friends they're like oh check this Ghibli thing out and like like how do
you know what's real and what's not and I'm like well funny about that so I don't know it's it's a
great conversation starter and I think it's also gonna help the the adoption of a crypto as we were just talking about earlier,
or you guys were just talking about earlier.
So that's just my two cents.
Anyway.
I also got harmony off.
If you're talking about jobs.
I think we both cut knocks off,
so we should let him.
I think I cut up Peter.
No one gives a fuck about that.
Look,
look again,
Knox and I are fully aware that nobody is here to listen to mine and
his shit takes we just happen to know people that are more attractive and smarter than us
so everybody so everybody listens to that just because you're a short king doesn't mean you
have to throw me under the bus with you okay babe babe is that you jesus christ no i think heavy had a really good
i mean it's a really good take and i think that's 100 where we're headed and and um yeah it will be
massively good for blockchain because it does open up that conversation um yeah it's it's a it's an
interesting road we're going down though and and i think it's happening at a pace that's way quicker than at least I
imagine.
You know,
I think maybe even to others as well,
but yeah,
it's crazy.
It's on this like massively accelerated path,
man.
Cause it feels like all of these things that are happening and the
improvements that are happening daily,
like at least,
you know,
again,
like it felt like,
like some of the stuff that's starting to happen.
It's like,
Oh man,
we thought that,
you know,
we were probably a couple of years away from that happening. Right. And like now, like it felt like, like some of the stuff that's starting to happen. It's like, oh man, we, we thought that, you know, we were probably a couple of years away from that happening. Right.
And like now, like, it's not like, it's not a couple of years out, man. Like we're watching
this happen like every single fucking day. And like, it is like, it's, it's just like Harmony
said, man, like anytime something new happens, like, you know, like you have people that are
super, super excited about it because it's new. It's interesting. Uh, you know, it's potentially revolutionary.
Obviously AI is revolutionary.
Then you have the other side of it where there's these people who don't like
change or maybe they don't have an issue with chains.
It's just, they know the dangers of this change.
And then you have the people that are in the middle that are just like,
they're excited, but they're also scared.
And that's kind of the camp that I'm in. So like, um,
like I'm no fucking AI expert whatsoever. In fact, like I could probably
use AI to make things a lot easier for me day to day, like tests. And I don't. Um, so that's on me.
Like I need to like, boo could have helped me with that and several other people. And like,
I just haven't even really tried to fuck with it. So, um, need, I need to change that, but
it is a scary thing man and and you see people
talking about it you know like you know have you said like if you're still in publishing like
um like like it's scary man like a lot of people are going to fucking lose their jobs and if you
know like there's several animators that you know i saw posting on the timeline it's like well
like if ai is going to be able to do this like animators are going to lose jobs like the quality of this stuff's just going to go down and nobody's going to care because
it's cheaper to make these things. Um, I don't know, man, like, obviously, like you can't have
the good without the bad, like there's always going to be a winner and loser in all of these
outcomes. And, um, but I mean, I'm ultimately excited about the prospect of all of these things
that AI opens up. But, uh, yeah, I mean, there's going to be the prospect of all of these things that AI opens up.
But yeah, I mean, there's going to be a lot of fucking pain for a lot of fucking people.
I think that people already are going through pain.
There's a lot of people who are out of jobs, especially, I think, since I think it's been slowly happening since 2020.
since I think it's been slowly happening since 2020.
And there was this kind of false sense of security
because there were checks coming in from the government
and then that stopped, supply chain caught up with everything.
And you really don't see the impact of all these things
until maybe like three to five years down the line.
So I think now we're definitely seeing the impact.
It's only going to get accelerated too.
I think it's only going to get worse in terms of, well,
or better in some, in like better technology,
but like worse in terms of like, we can do the things that, you know,
humans did before, but just so much better.
I think like literally, you know i was listening to um
uh i can't remember uh he founded a the anime project of sorts i can't remember uh he anyways
point being is he used to what gabriel something gabriel whatever the fuck his name is i remember
his name leon the the point break not yeah yeah break point whatever the fuck his name is I remember his name The point break Not point break Whatever the fuck it's called
I was listening to him a year ago
And he was talking about AI
A year ago and he was like
Yeah you know I've seen
Where they're at
You know and honestly
In my opinion at a certain point
Like literally anything
That we do digitally,
AI can do better.
Like simply, like everything, you know,
just because it can learn.
And like, even like things like hosting spaces or,
I mean, shit, like think about the influencers,
AI XBT, that had its moment in the sun, you know,
that had its moment in the sun you know and that's something that's only going to get like like or
and that's something that's only going to get like,
when chat bots like went fucking crazy around that time um and you know obviously people got
sick of them and that was kind of like an accelerated thing but like this is the kind
of thing i mean there's instagram models now that are literally just ai influencers
people make all sorts of fucking money on them all the time. It's crazy. I know. Wait till your actual women are AI.
100%.
And that's going to be a fucking thing, too.
There will be sex robots, and they will talk to you, and they will have relationships with you.
Orinals After Dark is finally here, baby.
I thought we were going there with the blowjobs for whitelist
but we're finally fucking here now we're finally on back on the fuck butts i'm excited this is my
favorite part of the show we love the fuck butts yeah with the fuck butts i mean like it's totally
a thing i think in you know maybe even in the next like 10 years or so that could be a thing i mean
we already have this crazy epidemic when it comes to, like, you know, male loneliness in, you know, our early 20s and 30s.
Like, you know, that's, and I think that it's just going to get exacerbated 100%, you know, by these things.
But, like, I don't know.
We're moving into, like, a very, very interesting and scary way.
And I've, like, Gabriel's take in terms of the fact that, just everything digitally like ai can do better you know um and i think that's something we should
add like you know to harmony's point get scrappy and prepare for that shit because it's inevitable
at this point um you know so you gotta read the writing on the wall and um i don't know i definitely
think we're in the right spot when it comes to like Bitcoin and even like ordinals, you know, in terms of like them being like pretty much unattackable and immutable.
And I don't know if we can get past all this bullshit when I'm like infighting in our own community and mumbling eventually like fails his fork.
Then, you know, maybe we can move forward.
Go ahead, dude nothing I was just gonna make the
Same point
Yeah it's the same shit I get it like it's a
Centralized index or blah blah blah
Are immutable or not
Okay so guys guys
Guys
Have we
Talked About XCP today baby Have we talked about xcp today baby have we talked about xcp where is it where are my xcp boys
at mumbling dude i'm fucking around but mumbling is like actually mumbling doesn't ever i mean
this is where the ego is going to right like it's gonna be xcp in 10 years i i just i just think on
this path. Like I
always makes like really,
really good points, but they always end up
circling around like the same two topics like
every single time. Like he always makes really
good points, but it's always like
that, like it always comes back to let's
fork this. Um, but it's cool. Like I
like I really, I'm dude, I'm always happy
to have you on the show. Like I was listening to you and Knox go back
and forth. It's probably one of my favorite fucking things like this show has ever
fucking produced it's literally just him trying to talk over me the whole time um well like you
well usually like you we get like the counterparty dig from you too um but like I I don't know man
I again like it just and maybe look and maybe I'm being stupid um but again like i still just feel like
i mean bullish like just in general man like and and again it's not like okay like i think we're
heading for this dramatic turnaround immediately um i just i i think that there is enough people
here who want to see this shit succeed um i just don't think it's going
anywhere man like i don't like i i don't and again i think that whatever we think it's going to look
like in six months it's probably not going to um but that's okay like that's okay um but i i am
i am fucking excited um for the future like i obviously would like to see some new exciting mids
that don't cost 0.2 Bitcoin.
I would like to see ordinals be fun again
because they haven't been fun in a really fucking long time.
But I don't know, man.
I don't know.
We'll fucking see what happens.
Hopefully, we start to see.
Maybe we can turn a corner starting tomorrow around 10 a.m
i don't know um like and that's gonna be the no go ahead no no i think it's i think it's already
started i mean you're seeing already the the like i guess the space kind of diversify into its own
little niches at the moment and that's sort of like the start of the whole thing right you're
finding people who are finding their little crew
and the people they vibe with.
And that's just kind of where we're at.
But that's good because the people who want to build certain things
find the people who want to build it with them
and share the same kind of values
and share the same kind of outlook on what they're doing.
So that's really just the start of it, which is great.
And to be honest, man, like fundamentals are boring as shit.
Like no one wants to sit here
and talk about like blockchain fundamentals.
Like fuck that.
But this shit is going to take five to 10 years.
So we've got to find like drama
and create drama in the meantime
so that we've actually got stuff to talk about,
which I'm always down for.
But what are you going to do?
Dude, for like the first six months of this period,
everybody's just like, fuck yes, bitches.
You're putting on the war paint.
You got your pitchforks on.
Everybody's ready to go to war.
But after a year of it, we're all just exhausted.
We look like Christian Bale on the machinist, dude.
Like sitting on his couch.
Like we can barely lift our arms up.
Like we're just tired, man.
Like we're just fucking tired.
Yeah, everyone can just retreat and chill out and just like yeah like whatever they
need to do like that would be fucking awesome and that's why like you know when i see angry people
it's like dude like go experiment on like other chains man like go play around with some of this
like the defy stuff that's happening like go fuck around on sonic or like just sit on your hands and
like just come back in six months like i mean it's still gonna be here like i don't know what
it's gonna look like in six months but like there I mean, it's still going to be here. Like, I don't know what it's going to look like in six months, but like, there are just
people that are stressed out like every single day.
And like, they just like constantly bitch and that's fine.
They have every right to do that, but it's like, fuck dude.
Like you can feel their misery.
Right.
And it fucking rubs off on you, man.
Like if you just read and hear and see that shit every fucking day, like it just, it does
it where it wears on you, man.
Like it, it, it takes it where it wears on you man like you it it
takes some level of effect on you but um like the cool thing though like i did want to talk like i
just wanted to kind of mention in passing is like art stuff is kind of like it's starting to pick up
a little bit and obviously some of this stuff has had like a push behind it, but you had, um,
be a fisherman mint out last week, which was like a 505 piece collection.
then you had,
the,
the counterfeit card minute minute out yesterday from rich.
you know,
you have Steven's mint today and like,
those are not the only examples obviously
like there's other stuff but like you're i'm just starting to see more and more people collect art
and we talked about it yesterday on rg spaces and like i it's funny to me how i i've seen people
that have been very like oh i just want to get in and out of trades like i'm not super interested
in collecting like i don't care about art like, I've started to see some of those
people kind of come around to the idea of like, Hey, maybe collecting isn't the worst thing in
the entire world. And look, sure. A lot of us are forced holders, man. Okay. Like I'm like,
I am not like that is not lost on me, but like the, it feels like this has gone on for so fucking long like you can kind of see
that light at the end of the tunnel because i think anybody who's bullish on this ecosystem
that's what we wanted right like we wanted more collectors in this space like because you can
collect and trade like you don't have to do one or the other man You can have all of these hats on. And like, it just seems like,
like people are, have gotten so bored where they're just like, you know what? Fuck it,
dude. Like I'm going to start looking at art or like, I'm going to start collecting shit. And
like, that is a good thing. And like, I know it's hard in the moment with how shitty everything
feels to be like, oh yeah. Like ultimately like this massive downturn ordinals has had over the
last 12 months is a good thing, but like it might end up being a good thing, man. And like, I've
just started again, like I've just noticed like all of these little things. Um, and it makes me
happy. Like it makes me optimistic, certainly about the future. I love that more people are
starting to pay attention to art and, you know, people are still able to put their art on chain
and, you know, sell out. I think that's that's a really really great thing not the most important thing but um so i i
think that the longer this has gone on like it's kind of turned people that never thought they
would be collectors into collectors whether they're just straight up forced collectors
because there's no liquidity to sell their illiquid assets into or like they've become
interested because of how boring ordinals
have been for the better part of 12 months um and i and i just think that's a fucking cool thing man
and i said it yesterday on rg spaces but i wanted to say it here too because obviously this is our
show um and yeah i just i just that's a little tidbit like that's something i've noticed and i
think it's a really fucking neat thing well pete the other thing is like there's no liquidity so
like you can't really trade you can't really trade in a market with no liquidity. And so the people who are still here and are still looking for things to do, like the art gives them a way to participate, especially like, I do think art could be a longer term investment play. And that gets back to the conversation before around the difference between like investing versus trading. Like there is to, I think Sovereign was like play with the experience of like the digital like customizations that you can do.
Like there's something to that. Like you're never going to get that experience from a meme coin.
And if you think that in the future, we're going to be in a more digitized society where people are looking for digital experiences, like these objects that we're creating that can be traded are going to be digital goods. And so I do think there is, and I don't think I highlighted this enough in my spaces
the other day in some of my tweets, but I do think there is a financial component here. Like,
I don't think the art play is just a charity play is sort of like Lane perceived my tweet to be.
Like, I do think there is an investment play here to find scarce assets that are doing something
unique with the tech.
And I think Ordinals is doing that.
Like the protocol may not be innovating, but the people, the ways people are using the
protocol is innovating.
And I think that's super cool.
But I think that that, like what you just said, talking about, you know, investing and,
you know, the financial benefits of it,
that kind of goes back to something. I think it was maybe sense mentioned about how, like,
he just bought some stuff and said, fuck it. Like, if this shit goes, it's really going to go.
I'm just going to put it in a wallet and, you know, I'll check on it in five or 10 years.
Right. He's like, hopefully I'm alive. Hopefully it's doing well. Um, but like, that is the thing
I know. Like when I was buying, uh, when I was trading,
uh, you know, art, physical art, uh, like that, I did that shit all the time, man.
Like, you know, like you're not just looking to buy the stuff that everybody knows about
that, you know, because that's always a crowded fucking trade.
Like you like, and it's not like, obviously it's not always about dollars, but I'm saying
like, whether like, it's still a really cool thing.
If you're a collector and you discover an artist really, really early, and then you
watch this ascent from them, like, that's a really fucking cool thing.
Right.
Because you feel good.
You're like, wow, dude, like I was able to catch that early.
Like I, you know, I was buying this guy's stuff when, you know, nobody cared about his
stuff.
Um, and then obviously there's some, you know, financial gain there too.
Um, but like, I did that shit all the time. Like I, I would buy stuff, uh, that was
cheap that nobody was really paying attention to. Um, I, you know, spoke with the artists like the
way they carried themselves, like the way they talked about things, you know, generally like
thought their art looked all right. Um, so like, I mean now granted, dude, I still have four flat
files at like in a garage with art that like i could i can't give
away so like that's the downside of it um but obviously like bitcoin fixes this i don't need
a flat file for bitcoin art um but yeah like absolutely man and like we and we you know that
was something that we talked about yesterday on your spaces a lot too is you know you can you can
buy these things um and yeah i don't't love the way the charity argument was framed.
I don't like that.
But I mean, dude, you just don't know, man.
You don't know that you're not buying something
that this person isn't going to blow up.
They're going to catch the eye of the right person.
That shit's just going to go absolutely fucking nuts
and that's all she wrote.
I just don't ever want to use the term and again maybe it's just bear market ptsd like i just don't ever want
to use the term investment when it comes to ordinals ever ever like our conviction got us
in this position to begin with so i don't want to use the word investment um no investment no lifestyle brand check yeah
yeah oh yeah see there you go rg you remember that shit like i don't want to hear anything
about luxury or lifestyle motherfuckers and maybe that's why like i started talking shit to good
things in poly is because they said luxurious this luxurious that well also who else said it
someone said that that good things and and polymath were also
saying say oh no yeah they're saying luxury and then also i think nox said about oody was saying
luxury or someone said i don't know they've been saying that for a while yeah it's called itself
luxury like that's not how it works yeah it's it's a sign it's a sign because they're
kind of saying like you're only using this as a status symbol or you're only you know this is
this is just for you to hang on your wall nothing else is happening but again like that i mean
actually i think that's a really interesting take harmony like a really interesting take but i think this to me like just my the way i feel and
like the way i've experienced things in this space like it has almost never ended well when a project
has to tell you use all of these fucking words man Use all of these words to describe like why their project is the best and why you should
buy them.
No, totally.
Because if something is actually luxury, like you don't have to brand it.
You look at it and you fucking know it's luxury.
Like true luxury items.
Like, you know, they're fucking luxury items.
You don't need somebody to tell you that they're fucking luxury items.
And again, like that's fine.
You,
everybody is welcome to run their project and market things however the
fuck they want.
But I'm just saying me personally,
like I said that when that fucking ordinal geese rug came out and
everybody's like,
Oh dude,
like,
you know,
they're legit.
It's like,
they're not dude.
One anime shit never does well.
And fucking Azuki isn't like the,
the outlier to that.
Okay.
Like, yes, there was a brief period where like azuki derivatives and anime shit cooked because everybody wanted to catch the next azuki
but like anime shit stuff doesn't play when you're talking about being a lifestyle brand or
revolutionizing this or revolutionizing that like get fucked like you're a bozo like i don't want to
hear that shit like you know congratulations on having some conviction that's great you need to
have conviction if you're trying to like market a product but like when i hear words like that i
just want to run for the fucking hills man like i i do because like historically projects that have
done that have not turned out well and that ordinal geese thing i forget the fucking name of it but
everybody wanted whitelist for it like nine months ago and it's worth fucking zero dollars and nobody, Oh, lucid. That's the fucking name
of it. That fucking garbage lucid. Um, I'm just saying, man, like that, that doesn't end well,
like it usually doesn't. And, um, I guess we're going to fucking see, but yeah, like to circle
back to what I said originally, man, like like I really do truly believe if those guys had just marketed their products and like,
if they had just said to, Hey, our minutes 0.01 or 0.0015, it just mints out to people like enough
people like good things in poly where they're just like, dude, absolutely for a hundred bucks.
Like I want to support these guys. Like, we're just going to mint this fucking thing out. Like
I do, I do think that's what happens, but, um, you know, I don't know, again, like the market's not going to be wrong. Like the market's ultimately going to decide
like sovereign said earlier, like when you're sitting there and you're, and you're mapping
things out pre mint and you decide you're like, okay, like, do we think the market can digest
this? How do we think the reaction is going to be? I mean, you're going to find out like,
like one way or the other, the market's going to let you know whether you made the right decision
or not.
Speaking of markets, while we've been talking, somebody's
out on a fucking 12-fold
dude for 0.3.
Who's buying?
What? Who's buying?
There's been a couple of random
buys of those. Look at the history.
There's been a couple of times
where there's been a couple of sales where like there's been a couple of sales
and dude that's my exact thought every time
who the fuck is buying
this dude I'm telling you dude
we're so fucking back baby
let's go
that's it like the only fucking
barometer we need is
12 folds are selling taproot wizards
mint it out like we're fucking back baby like that's it
we are gonna make Randy Zuckerberg just needs to make a song about it and then we're fully
fucking back well you know this 12 fold this 12 fold shit is like sometimes it gives me uh an
inkling of you know some fresh capital coming into the space because it's like when when new
entrants always come into the market they they always ask themselves these types of questions
right like which one was the first?
What's the first sort of like art type project on here?
What's like the first sort of, I don't know, whatever.
I don't know what 12-fold was the first of anything,
but still, it's like, it's possible that like, you know,
sometimes like some of these new entrants
that are looking at our space now
are going to go around searching
for some of these early projects.
I mean, it was the first Yuga extraction on Ordinal,
so it was definitely the first.
Massive extraction.
But once again, liquidity from outside of the ecosystem.
I mean, how many people were bidding on that from like...
Oh, like Ordinal's native motherfuckers?
I don't know.
It was all apes.
I don't know a single
Ordinals native person that bought that
And if they did they're just too ashamed to admit it
Okay like every single person
That I saw buy that shit was yeah
Like undoubtedly like it was a Basie holder man
And you know and again
Look what Basie did for fucking node monkeys man
Leor and his army of apes
Like did what they did
And that and fucking puppets
just ignited
a nasty, nasty
ordinals run, man. It was just
every fucking mint cooked.
We were getting an airdrop every single
day. Take us back.
Also, Golden, what's going on, Amigo?
How are you doing?
How much is the mint for the forthcoming
luxury collection that you were just
talking about?
I think it's .0044.
So what is that?
$350, $375, something like that.
Oh, shit. Okay.
It's a 4.4K collection.
Oh, yeah. I don't think so yeah it's 20 i think it's something i think it's 20 bitcoin like rough like close to 20 bitcoin it's not exactly that but it's a pretty i mean it's a
pretty big ass people would admit it right like and they wouldn't hear nearly as much shit for it
yeah i agree i i agree um i mean again
like i think some of you some of the backlash i've heard too is like that's an absurd race like it
wasn't even about poly and good things it was like dude like how are you gonna ask for 20 bitcoin
for ai art like that was definitely like the the loudest thing that i heard outside of you know
people just being like goddamn dude like 20 Bitcoin is a fucking lot.
But a lot of people are just like...
I haven't seen it. Is it good?
I can pin it to the top. Hang on one second, dude.
Yeah, I'll give you my honest thoughts.
You can have my instant reaction, I'll tell you.
Wow, this is
like a pure, perfect
reaction to this.
It's amazing.
Yeah, no, I mean, I don't't know i'm not the biggest fan of the art either but um i i do think that they are um they are a good people to have in our space and champion um just because of you know the
the amount of work they put into promoting the ecosystem but yeah no i don't know i back your
points but i mean they are in touch with the ecosystem.
So wouldn't you think that they would know that if they charged,
you know,
zero zero one,
something that they would mint out.
No problem.
I mean,
I don't know that they would honestly,
like I think about like,
I know that's what Pete's saying,
but I mean,
you look at like a lot of this stuff that's like low cost right now and no one really even wants to touch it with a 10 foot
pole.
And I know that they have like a lot of goodwill, but, um, I don't know.
You're saying to charge more, to make it seem more desirable.
I, in a sense, I mean, that does work, right?
You know, people tend to disrespect things that are cheap.
Like, look at the Ponzi's, you know, uh, disrespect things that are cheap like look at the ponzies
you know uh swayze did awesome art with that and uh you know they're a cool little collection and
it's supposed to be something degen obviously but you know people are selling them for less
than the utxos they're on what do you think golden watch? Watch the promo video.
Don't really understand it.
And then I clicked on some subsequent images on the main page.
I would say it's probably not for me.
It gives me God of War video game vibes, kind of.
You know, with the godlike personas and stuff.
The font.
I don't know.
I hope they do well, but I'm personally not paying for it.
Their fate has been decided.
Dude, I fucking love... I really enjoy...
I like Golden's tweets, but I really like the idea of just
having Golden come up here for like
two minutes every week
because obviously we talk about a ton of mints, right?
and just like having, like Golden
hoping Golden knows nothing about these mints
and just having him give us
his real-time reaction to like
everything about it, like what the art looks like
they're asking how much again, like just all of it
that'd be so fucking entertaining, man.
Do it.
Sure.
Just let me know.
Time and place.
I really hadn't ever seen it before.
I'd heard about it, but I hadn't seen it.
So, uh, well in, in C that's the thing, like Knox had told me, like whenever I had told
him what happened, uh, Knox was like, dude, you didn't realize that they were blocking
everybody.
And I'm like, no, I really hadn't.
Because the only thing I knew was Polly and good things were doing a mint. I'd seen the art. Um, and then
obviously I saw whenever they said, okay, this is going to be the price. But like, I wasn't like on
Twitter or seeing the reactions or anything like that. Cause I had my own feelings and my own
reaction. I didn't need to gauge sentiment. Like I knew how I felt. And then Knox is like, oh dude,
like they've really just been on a war path. Like anybody that said anything oh dude like they've Really just been on a warpath like anybody That said anything negative like they've just been
Blocking them uh and I was like ah
Okay well now I can understand why my
Tweet was meant with so much animosity
So I'm gonna get blocked now
Nah you might if you tweet
Something about it you will 100%
I'm not gonna tweet
Yeah
Yeah
They're blocking everybody
I think Pete just needed to feel something, so he wanted to be blocked.
Yeah, 100%.
Like, I just haven't been...
You're hearing what's happening with his wife right now, so he's certainly not getting laid.
Look, dude, look.
Oh, believe me, dude.
Today, every time I got something out of the fridge, I triple-checked to make sure I closed that motherfucker, dude.
Every single time. Dude, there was times I walked by the fridge, I triple check to make sure I close that motherfucker, dude. Every single time.
Dude, there was times I walked by the fridge.
I was like, you know what?
I don't want it that bad because what if I don't close the door all the way?
So like, I just didn't snack.
It's like...
See, the...
Go ahead.
After running a four-hour space, I don't think you're going to be in a better light.
See, they got to get rid of the phrase and the word luxury or luxurious because that takes me back to why I didn't want to buy ordinals in the first place.
Because I would listen to a lot of the ordinal influencer spaces in early 2023.
And you're talking, i i should like i was your target
audience i first of all i got in the ordinales about mid 2023 so i didn't buy um wait 20 yeah
2023 and uh anyway i listened to the spaces and they would sell sell us on this you know notion
of it's not bitcoin therefore it's more luxurious and i now like i don't know if that's true or like i know it's all marketing but like i don't know it wasn't
compelling to me is a better way to put it like my truth it wasn't compelling to me but like them
using them using that as a way to market ordinals yeah yeah just say like it's on the best chain
you know like it's permanent right it's all the things that like people like and can articulate better than I can,
you know, one 30 in the morning, but like the, the luxury thing just didn't really
vibe with me.
So I, I personally would like advise to stray away from using that terminology, but
you know, maybe people have come around to it i just when i hear things
like that like my ears perk up not like like in the best way like it's like a it's like an instinct
like a animalistic instinct for like watch out you know type thing well i'm interested in your
take on the taproot wizards then because that is something a term that gets thrown around quite a bit
What I what is your take? Yeah, if these are luxury wizards
I mean, I'm sure it's a bit of a troll but you know, yeah, I think I think I think slash hope at this point that
If Udi uses that
Um that he's trolling. I think he's learned a lot. I think he's a
I enjoy him a lot more now than I did a year and a half ago. And that's,
that's truthfully. I think he's kind of, I don't know.
He's a lot more enjoyable just to me. A lot more real, I guess,
now than, than he seemed to play kind of a character a year and a half ago.
I like them, the collection. i didn't mint them i didn't have the quantum cats to
um get to reduce price so i didn't do it i guess they go live tomorrow on the secondary right
sometime tomorrow presumably 10 a.m yeah okay well you know i've, I've kind of made my, my choices, right. Of which ordinals to back for the most part. And I'm not really willing to sell off other assets, other entities or whatever to chase it. Um, unless it gets down to like a 0.1 BTC. And then that probably I would make some moves there at point two it's not compelling to me and
i'm also just like i have a pretty sizable ordinal position comparative to like the rest of my i'm
very um you know collector minded and my my positions in crypto are primarily are like nfts
digital collectibles.
I mean, truthfully.
So I've gotten a different approach than a lot of people.
So I'm not going to chase one big thing.
Although I do think that obviously we'll do very well.
I mean, what do you guys think?
You think it's...
Yeah, we all...
I think we all kind of agree that, you know,
regardless of how long it lasts, it's going to do extremely well.
Of course.
It's just a matter of, okay, how long does the volume sustain?
Because ultimately, we're still talking about an asset that is going to be...
If it opens where I think it's going to open, which is around 0.4 Bitcoin.
Oh, wow.
Oh, really?
Yeah, we're still, we're still,
yeah,
we're still talking about a $32,000 asset,
right?
For sure.
So like,
it's going to be really,
really interesting to see how long,
but yeah,
I think,
I mean,
I think early on the volume is going to be insane.
Or maybe you,
or maybe you get the other side of it because like,
like people in this space,
like we've seen how quick people are to like undercut just to try to get
out of something.
Like even if they just bought it like 35 seconds ago,
you know,
like the block just cleared and they're immediately listing things.
So like,
maybe you see people kind of wait a little bit and see how things shake
out before just instantly saying,
okay,
the first wizard ups 0.53.
Let me buy that wizard.
Right.
Maybe we actually, yeah. Before just instantly saying, okay, the first wizard up is 0.53. Let me buy that wizard, right? That makes sense.
Maybe we see the volume actually increase instead of blow up immediately and then taper off.
Maybe we see a slow build up, but I don't know, man.
I think tomorrow is going to be a very, very telling day about what the next few months in Ordnance look like in my opinion. Yeah. And I thought the fact that OMBs have done very well and kind of held their, their,
their, um, price action for the most part. I mean, since the Mint, I'm not sorry. I didn't
mean like historically. I meant since the, since the Black Eyes Mint, uh, you know, in full
disclosure as usual, like I, I have a lot of OMBs. I was late to the OMBs. I think I posted about
that before like acknowledging i was
late and really and uh i just started buying a bunch of them uh this calendar year in advance
of that event and i i've been selling some of the black eyes i invented to uh and then pay the
difference in the spread between the orange eyes which is like 0.005 dtc difference at some points and so i would
you know sell the black eyes and upgrade to an orange so that's kind of what i've been doing
on the ordinals front to be honest with you i'm a fan of the ombs these other guys actually aren't
though so it's interesting yeah dude but i mean that's but that's what we need man like we need
more again like we need more people like rg we need more people like golden we need more people that just like believe in the
ecosystem and to go back to like what mumbling said and he just continues to drone on about his
believe in something man like it's okay to like buy something and and want to hold it for longer
than five minutes right like it's it's okay like you know like buy something but but again everybody
like we all understand that everybody's financial situation is different. Right. Like everybody,
like, you know, some people are buying these things with money they don't have. Um, you know,
and everybody's timeframe is different. Like I, I know, you know, I try at least whenever I put on
my trader hat and like, I'm buying stuff to flip. I try to at least have a plan. It's like, okay,
like if I'm buying this, like, what am I buying it for? Am I buying because I'm bullish, like mid to long-term? Am I buying this because I want it
to be like a 24 hour scrape, uh, which you can't do in ordinals right now anyways. But I mean,
just generally speaking, I think like when you're entering a trade, like no matter what it is and
how sizable it is, you should always have some kind of plan and have an idea of your timeframe.
And obviously with ordinals, like we're all bullish on them, but like the timeframe has changed, right? Like, I don't think anybody expected ordinals to be, you know, down
only for the better part of 12 months, except for Tendi. We know Tendi is a fucking God. Tendi
fucking knew it. Tendi and kook knew it. They told us we should have just listened to Tendi and kook.
Um, but, but no dude, like I, I, you know, but again, that's a tough thing to preach to people.
Like, have patience.
But, you know, like, Knox, all of us have been burned several times by having too much conviction, right?
And saying, you know what, like, the short-term price action doesn't matter.
Like, I'm bullish on this founder or this artist or, you know, whatever they're building.
And, like, you know, and most of those bags have gotten absolutely destroyed, right? Like absolutely destroyed. I think every single
person that's been even remotely active in the space, you've probably round tripped at least
two or three Bitcoin in profit, right? Well, that I was exactly going to say that. I think it's a
mix between people's financial situation and also trauma from, from having such conviction that you're like oh i'm gonna hold
this because i know in a month's time it's going to be where i you know my my sell point and then
it just instantly goes to zero and never comes back yeah good times um i think tomorrow you'll
probably see some uh i probably see you probably see some interesting transactions at the top end of that Taproot with its collection.
I don't know what the floor is, but I think if there are some rare ones,
I think you'll see some interesting action on the higher end of those.
You could definitely see one or two moving for a Bitcoin or even more,
if there's any rare ones in there.
Yeah.
Are you a buyer of QuantumCats at, let's say, 0.04 BTC?
QuantumCats?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, I mean, like, you think that you're going to, I mean, I just, I just don't see like, uh, if, if
quantum cats settle down at, at like a 0.04, um, it makes it, it makes them probably interesting.
You then have a choice, right?
Cause you've got, you've got puppets, nodes, quantums, all, um, all kind of sitting at
the same sort of like floor.
And I guess, I guess OMBs or the black guys are probably sitting at the same sort of like floor. And I guess OMBs or the black guys
are probably sitting around the same level.
I don't know, for me,
having observed the floor for puppets and node longer
and seen that that floor price
has absorbed more negative news,
for me, those floors look a lot more interesting.
Actually, even like,
even into the Taproot,
whether it's meant,
faced with the choice of putting that Bitcoin into Taproot,
instead of picking up multiple nodes and puppets,
I think for me was a much better risk-reward trade.
This was definitely the time to buy Ornose.
People selling off to chase
this was
a good time
to do it.
I think that's
also something that we had talked about
too, is Orinals have been
down only for so long. And obviously we've seen
some stability. You've seen collections
like Wizards of Ord have stayed at like 0.01.
OMB has been fairly stable now.
Obviously it's down horrendously from the highs, but like it, the price has stabilized some,
um, you've seen a lot of like the bigger tier collections kind of stabilized quite a bit.
And so it was interesting watching floors across the board, not giga nuke even harder because in the past you
have seen that, but that goes also goes back to what we've talked about though, is like, this is
just such a different animal. Like this mint is just so different from anything else we've ever
seen because when we would see these massive sell-offs, obviously those sell-offs weren't
following 12 months of down only, right? And two, when we would see these sell-offs weren't following 12 months of down only right and two when we would
see these sell-offs happening prior to basically every single big mint that we've ever seen in this
space it was to chase items that were going to be you know one to 2k on secondary right and like
we're talking about you know you're talking about assets what are you going to do you're going to
are you going to sell 37ards of ord to fund buying
a taproot wizard tomorrow no like you just can't fucking do it there's no goddamn liquidity so like
like i i've kind of held the belief that we've been pretty bottomed and i mean a lot of people
have obviously but again that doesn't mean, hey, tomorrow, like, everything just bounces. But, like, everything's, like, nothing really got smished.
And again, like, maybe it's just because, like, the sellers are finally exhausted.
And also, the realization that even, like, again, like, we're at a point, like, even a puppet, if you wanted to liquidate several puppets to buy a Taproot Wizard, you'd most likely have to sell eight fucking puppets.
you'd most likely have to sell eight fucking puppets, right?
Right?
So you still have to sell because of the prices across the board.
You're still having to sell a fuck ton of assets in order to chase this one
singular asset that you might end up just getting wrecked on anyway.
So, um, yeah, I, I agree.
And like this year, the only assets I bought in a tease at all across any chain
are about a few puppets.
Um, we're a little bit cheaper than they are now.
I bought two more Alu, uh, shout out Metapan on the audience.
And I bought, um, a bunch of OMBs cause I didn't have any in that collection.
Um, like I said, so yeah, those those are the only collections I bought this year.
I mean, seriously, I'm not looking at ETHNFTs.
I mean, I guess the on-chain heroes on Abstract, I didn't do it,
but in hindsight, that was a positive.
Some people seemed to really like that one, so that's cool.
But I didn't buy that one nothing else has really caught
my attention other than obvious things like taproot wizards but like i said i'm just going to be
sitting on the sidelines it's not a bad thing here and just kind of watching and seeing what happens
um also heavy you heavy you can just jump in whenever you want.
Unless you're trolling me like everybody else does with the hand racing,
because that's everybody's favorite fucking thing to do with me now.
Sorry.
No, you're good, man.
It's my first time up, so I just want to try and be polite.
But no, I think what's pretty obvious to me is that there's a bigger,
a more obvious split between who the traders are and who the collectors are on ordinals than on any other chain i guess than what i've seen
previously so you know a lot of us came from eith um where like you just had this like nfts were
just almost treated as like just another version of coinery and then when we saw like
what the what i guess what the fundamentals of of ordinals provided on bitcoin and and you know
the way that you could actually do art on chain uh you know and express it in the way that a lot
of artists did we came over here because this seemed like the most, you know, the best place to make art.
But then you have this kind of like period of time
where I guess the hangover of DeFi summer
and the hangover of like shit coinery
and just how that bleeds into the NFT ecosystem
and how people treat mints
and how people treat projects.
Like there's still very much like that
kind of like buy three to sell one to make you money to like but that that isn't like that's not really a
collector's or an artist's mindset at all it's like uh i'll buy what i like and i don't really
ever want to sell it because i like it and but that you can't make money on that like how like
that's not good for you know day-to-day traders and day-to-day trading.
So I think this is where for me,
it's like this kind of like is starting to split out
into those two separate kind of metas
where you'll have those people who want to do the trading thing
and talk about like, oh, I'll buy it at 0.2
and we'll sell it at the market at 0.4.
And I'm like, you can go and do that on any trading decks like today. Like you don't need to use ordinals for that. Why don't you just go and do that on any trading decks like today like you don't need to
use ordinals for that why don't you just go and do that on solana like it's much easier than trying
to do it on well you know with the ordinals nfts in my opinion but i think like that's why i get
super bullish about art on bitcoin because um for those who just want to use it as the place to
forever store their work and their creations and express themselves artistically you know through a native digital means like this is the home for it um
but like just the way that the space works like it we're all in this together and we're all listening
to each other and how crypto twitter kind of like or crypto x whatever you want to call it now
like smashes us all into like one big group like there's no wonder that there's like these crazy clashes of like ideals and crazy clashes of the way that people think and approach
this space that will take time to kind of like work itself out and uh yeah i think that that
we're gonna see definitely two very very different uh forks of of how it reminds me of ethan ft is in early 2000 late 2020 early 2021 so pre-yuga more like
when uh super rare was a real dominant marketplace for art like that's when i first got an nfts was
in late 2019 it was a focus on more like traditional modern art like through super rare and
stuff there was a more collaborative vibe i mean eventually you know the reality is that vibe will probably eventually fade but it
does this current this current dynamic does kind of give me late 2020 early 2021 eth nft vibes i'm
not talking about price action i'm just talking talking about kind of community vibes purely on that basis.
So we'll see how it goes from here.
Yeah, it also reminds me a little bit of a shared anecdote from NFT Paris, right?
So here was a conference that they had to like bring in all these other verticals to,
uh, to fill out the conference.
And we had tons and tons of conversations with people that, um, really had never bought an NFT before.
And it was amazing.
Like I would say like 95% of the people that bought our hoodies on that day, just like they'd never owned an NFT before.
And they just loved, you know, they loved what they were doing and they thought the message was super translatable.
You know, and they had a little bit of Bitcoin in their wallets, right?
And they just had no idea that all this stuff was happening on Bitcoin. And that's the opportunity, right? Today, you have millions and millions of
dollars worth of new exposure to Bitcoin. These people have absolutely zero idea. It's like
some kind of a line item on a statement that they received from the ETF provider.
They barely know what it does, right?
And they have no idea that there's this really rich culture that's kind of bubbling away on this asset that they've purchased.
And I think that that's just like, you know, all the stuff that we've been, you know, talking about, like, you know, space has been arguing about and these these mints every day, all of this, it just fades into insignificance, into this massive opportunity of bringing this culture to this new wave of people that are going to be adopting bitcoin because you can just see what you can just see which direction the adoption is going in right and um and and we're out here kind of representing this this huge
cultural white space on this on this on this amazing thing and that's just thing that's like
that's an incredible opportunity see i i don't think it has to be two different schools splitting
off of people who are only interested in trading or only interested in
art for the sake of art. I mean, I have ETH, NFTs and ordinals that I bought strictly because I
resonated with them and will keep them forever. And then I have other stuff that I want to flip.
But also in the traditional art world, finance has always been closely tied into art.
I mean, people use art to hide wealth.
They use it as a status symbol.
They use it for all sorts of shady things that like it's not only just for the sake, you know, of some beautiful art that that, you know know you're you're attaching to what the artist
was thinking or feeling or whatever it is and and we're talking about like real famous amazing
artists like their their art when they were alive and and now when they're dead has been
has been used in this way so I I really don't think it has to be two different schools of thought. I think it
can join together in a respectful and responsible way. It just really depends on us. Like we have
to vote with our wallets and we have to uplift the artists who are really here and sticking around
and who are investing in the space and those those who are not you know don't support them
yeah i would agree um and i i think you make some really good points i think like it's an
expectations thing as well i think when artists come in to the space potentially and they're used
to doing you know kind of i guess doing things a certain way in web 2 and then all of a sudden
they're in this kind of like brand new environment and they're, you know, they're art getting treated
completely differently and there's different sets of expectations from collectors and like that can
definitely like, I guess, upset kind of people who aren't used to that or don't really know what's
going on from an artist, from an perspective um but i like 100 i don't
think anyone's naive enough to think that there's not no kind of like a correlation there and you
know of what you just spoke about so definitely it's going to go hand in hand but i think like
for a lot of us who potentially are not traders or and are not like that way like we don't see the world
kind of like that way that's that's not how we are it's like it is very jarring and it it goes
very much against our own psyche to evaluate pieces of work that we put our heart and souls
into and just use it to like you know flip and make a buck out of like it that that's the jarring part to me so like the more time you spend in the space at first it feels really awkward and it feels it
doesn't feel genuine and you're kind of like like what is this about and it's hard and it kind of
throws you but the longer you spend here the more you kind of like realize that like oh that's just
part of it and you learn to kind of accept that and then grow with that and and you
don't let it bother you so much anymore and i certainly don't you know like let that bother
me at all um i'm just kind of like i think it's now it almost um liberates you in a way to say
well all right i can just kind of like focus on what i'm going to do now and and not like
worry about any of that stuff and not try and like listen too
hard to people telling me to do a certain collection size or a certain have to do it this
way or you just go i'm just gonna just do it myself and so i think that that will take a bit
yeah we just need like the space to mature more right and like the market participants which i
think both of those things go hand in hand but um i that's a hard thing to do though is like we've
you know we say that we say you know if you can just kind of you know get in like I think you
heavy were saying earlier like you find a group of people with like similar ideals right like
similar ideologies and stuff and you kind of um you know you guys kind of you know just band
together and do whatever you want to do together um just with like-minded people. But it's so hard, like,
in this age, I think, to just drown out that noise, because it's so easy to be affected.
Because, like, we talk about things like, you know, like the vocal minority, right? But when
we're in a space that's this small, that vocal minority feels like the majority, right? And it's
because a lot of people don't want to speak up.
They'd rather just not get involved.
So you have like this group of people
that they're just loud and they fight all the time.
And when you're coming into this space
and like you don't know,
like you're trying to learn things,
you're getting your feet wet,
you're kind of figuring out what works,
what doesn't work.
You're trying to find your place in things.
Like it's so easy to let all of that noise get to you and have somebody tell
you, Hey man, like the art market's dead. Are you crazy? You want to put art on Bitcoin or dude,
have you seen the volume in ordinals? You want to launch a collection here? Like it's, it's so
easy to let that stuff get to you. And we say things like, Oh, you know, just try to drown out
that noise, put your head down and kind of, and kind of do what you want to you. And we say things like, oh, you know, just try to drown out that noise,
put your head down and kind of do what you want to do.
But it's just, it's one of those things
that's just much easier said than done.
Like everybody's wired differently.
And, you know, like that might be easy for me
or you or Panda or Knox to do,
but other people might struggle with that, right?
Like you hear, again,
it's kind of like what I was talking about
with like the infighting and the negative impact
it can have on people that are viewing our ecosystem right now when they're just like, oh, dude, if that's all Bitcoin's about, like, I'm just not interested in that fucking ecosystem.
Like you hear you start to hear this shit over and over and over again.
And eventually you're just like, fuck, like maybe that's just the way things are.
Like maybe they're right.
Maybe I shouldn't be doing this.
And so like, yeah, like you it's just so much easier said than done.
And like, obviously, like I think we would have a lot more progress in the space if people
were able to do that.
Um, but I'm sure there's tons of like people out there that have wanted to try to do things,
but like, and, and, you know, like stepping out there and putting yourself out there in
any manner is like a really difficult thing to do, right?
Like whether you're an artist bearing your soul and, you know, you're somebody that puts
everything into what you create and to like put it
out there and have people reject it. Like, that's a brutal thing, man.
Like it's not, you know, like it might be easy for us to just be like, Oh yeah,
fuck it, man. Like I'm not worried about it.
I'm just going to keep doing my thing. Like you, you, I would,
I hope that everybody would be able to do that, but we know, um,
like that's just not the fucking world we live in.
And I just want to say really quickly, I love that. Like we,
I haven't talked to Panda in a bit and like this spaces has been going on for 37 hours and like panda
who might be the only person in this space that can go bar for bar with me in terms of just speaking
panda decides at the end of a five hour spaces he's gonna pop in So just know. Five and a half hours.
Look, if there are any questions directed at Panda, make them extremely brief, okay?
Because I love Panda and I don't want to cut Panda off.
But I definitely do want to wrap.
Obviously, it's one o'clock where I am and we've been going for four and a half hours.
And I fucking love this.
Like, this has been a really great spaces, but I've,
I've got to watch the new episode,
the final episode of Jack Reacher before I go to bed and the later it gets,
the less likely that happens.
So like, we're definitely going to try to wrap here soon, but I,
but I love like having conversations like this. And I wish again,
like I would probably attend more spaces if there were more conversations like
this happening instead of people just bitching about their bags or saying, Oh, hey, bro, like you should be buying this thing that I fucking want.
You say that and then you don't come to OSD ever, you know?
Well, that's fair.
I should probably come to OSD.
But, dude, like I really haven't been working a lot because like I've been swamped with like stuff with the kids.
I mean, I'm just saying you say something and then you could there's something open every day that has that and you never come i'm just saying every time
mumbling opens his mouth it's a shill for something now he's shilling spaces like that's
poor form man like that's fucking poor form mumbling uh but no like all kidding aside panda
dude how the fuck have you been what are you up to how's it going in your neck of the woods yo what's up guys um yeah no it's going amazing
just waking up here i'm on the other side of the world um i was actually shocked the space
was going on but uh yeah everything's incredible just constantly developing and shipping stuff
um working on a ton of new stuff that i'll share in like the dms but uh yeah i think you know
people have to understand like if they've never been early to, you know, technologies or subcultures,
you know, most humans are typically wrong, right? So like, you know, you just have to take comfort
in that. Understand that the people here right now that are talking are, you know, not the target
demographic, right? Like when you consider Bitcoin forever,
the people that are going to be buying these ordinals
haven't even been born yet.
And like $100 trillion will go into their pockets
in the next two decades.
So you just have to think in terms of art,
which obviously, like we all know,
that held up best in 2008.
Art isn't going anywhere.
I think Bitcoin and ordinals will basically like lead that flippening of, you know, digital versus physical art.
And just in terms of like digital identity as well, right? Like, you're gonna ask yourself,
well, okay, do I want a digital identity on Bitcoin? Or, you know, do I want someone to
just create some, you know, AI generated slop and like throw that on? I Or, you know, do I want someone to just create some, you know,
AI generated slop and like throw that on? I think, you know, that can't be overstated.
So yeah, I mean, there's a lot of like things that people like, they know, but, you know,
logging on every day versus like looking at things with a longer time horizon or
thinking in terms of generations, it's like, you know, you're just listening to retards,
you know, that either just listening to retards,
you know, that either never had money, never participated in culture, you know, are down bad,
did reverse barbell strategies, or, you know, you had like early Solana people come in from certain projects and, you know, their brains have been, you know, rewired in a way where I don't
know if that could ever be reversed. So, you know,
I think have conviction, have a thesis, you know, go with your gut, assuming your gut is healthy,
you know, and just, you know, like have fun, you know, like, I think, like, in terms of like the
social aspect that ordinals brings, you know, like, that's ultimately what led to like,
parabolic growth for the internet, right? And Bitcoin is the new internet
So it's like, you know, I don't know what else like, you know, people really need to hear
But it's like that's the thing that's the thing though
Like, you know when heavy and I were just talking about, um, you know, kind of finding your nation like just like focusing on that
I think that is what will enable you to have fun, right? Because checking Magic Eden every day
Looking at your portfolio like that's not going to have fun, right? Because checking Magic Eden every day, looking at your portfolio,
that's not going to be fun for you,
especially if you're heavily allocated in ordinals and stuff.
But if you can just find that thing,
you will have fun again.
But I mean, sure, ordinals in general
are really, really boring at the moment, but that's okay.
I mean, there's a lot of people that are trying to do things,
but we'll see how it goes. The one thing i did want to ask you though is like i think that the conversation about like digital art flipping traditional art is it's a really really
interesting one um because i think when you talk to different people obviously there's several
camps like there is with any debate but you have people that feel like digital art is going to replace physical art, right?
Or physical art is never going anywhere and digital art is just some fad.
And then obviously you have the people that believe that they're both going to thrive long term.
Like fucking art has been around since motherfuckers were rubbing their shit on walls and caves, okay?
Like, art is not going anywhere.
It's never going anywhere.
And, like, Harmony kind of highlighted some of the points.
People use fucking physical art to hide shit, like hide illegal things.
Like, they're just, so, like, what I'm asking you is do you think when you say, like you say like the flipping is going to happen with digital art versus traditional art, do you think that digital art is going to totally overthrow traditional art when you say that?
Or are you just saying that the demand for digital art is going to be stronger than traditional art?
Yeah, I think the demand, you know, like you said, for those specific reasons, you know, like at the end of the day, capital has to find a home.
Right. And like you're already seeing that now.
If you compare, you know, crypto to like any other market on Earth, like it's very clear.
It's the same logic people will apply to like, you know, going into in a liquid meme coin versus, you know, one of the majors.
They'll say, well, it's this market cap and, you know, there's a ceiling based on the multiple so it's like you know i think you know when you look at like these these new generations right like
they're not interested in purchasing physical art like they're just i mean sure you could you
could have that as well but i think like they ultimately want to flex but that's not to say
that like physical art is going anywhere i think you know just seeing what what happened recently
like on the timeline it's like physical art and like specifically like rare handmade things. Like, you know, we saw like a
Charizard Cheeto, you know, sell for like 100k, right? Or like Steve Jobs job application, like,
you know, people should be thinking like in terms of that as well. And like, yeah, I don't think
either going anywhere. But I think if you're looking at like potential upside across anything, you know, like the digital realm, like gives people a much more accessible entry point.
And I think like, you know, much more upside in most cases.
Right. But that's that's also we're still talking about people in our age range.
about people in our age range, but what happens when our children and our grandchildren who have
lived most of their lives online, they're only going to want digital representations for themselves.
Like, I really do feel unless there's a huge social change that unfortunately physical art
will become less and less and digital art will rise to be the favorite.
Oh, 100%.
Yeah, I mean, that's why I created Alu, because I clearly see how kids are spending their time on the internet.
And it's with avatars and skins and being able to go into digital experiences.
So Alu is already the most interoperable character in know, character in the history of characters, you know, so like, I'm heavily, you know, in that camp.
I'm just saying, like, in terms of like value accrual, you know, there's always going to be
like that, you know, demand for like, incredibly finite and like, culturally significant things.
But yeah, like 100%, I think, at the end of the day, what we're seeing now is like,
the ability for digital art or, you know, specific memes that are tokenized, you know, that basically just capture tremendous attention to actually be able to rival, you know, like something like a Mona Lisa, right?
Like, you know, if you have something that's the biggest meme on earth that has like a massive community behind it, like, you know, you could argue that that is actually more valuable than something sitting you know in an archive um so yeah no i definitely believe that like in terms
of the attention economy i mean we're 100 like just in uncharted territory here man like we're
you know we're in the middle of this digital revolution that like obviously the world's
never fucking seen before um and it's easy to say well, traditional art isn't ever going anywhere.
Because, again, like it's existed since the dawn of man.
But, again, just like any major revolution, like this is like we are.
We're on the precipice of, you know, something that we've never experienced and never seen before. So, I mean, who's to say like Harmony's got a really, really good point.
Like we're like I'm talking, you know, I'm saying things like, oh, it's not going to go anywhere.
But she's right.
Like, you know, as this digital age continues, um, and everything is fucking digital, like,
you know, like my great grandkids, the only thing they're ever going to know is digital
art.
Right.
So like, what the fuck do they care?
And I will say this, like, as much as I do love traditional art, the one thing, and I've
said it before on the show, um, the one thing that I love about digital art more than anything
else is if you've ever owned a physical piece of art and you've hung it in your house,
it's fucking miserable. Like, you hang it up and you're just like, did this piece really have to
be this size? Especially if it's like a custom piece. It's like a 19.25 by 24.36. You're just
cursing the artist and you're like, you fucking cocksucker. Why would you make, I have to custom frame this.
And wall space is finite, right? And digital art completely breaks down that barrier.
You can, I can buy one single digital frame. I can upload all of the art that I fucking own and I can just have it loop all I want. So it solves that issue. And then also something that
Panda and I and Knox have talked about on the show before too, is like, you know, digital art is so different because there's all
these barriers in the traditional art world, right? Like, because we were talking about,
like, you get representation from galleries and they do all these things for you. It's very,
very hard for like artists to break into that. Whereas if you're a digital artist,
you can just come and release a collection tomorrow on Bitcoin if you wanted to,
right? With absolutely zero barrier, like your barriers to entry are how to use the blockchain and potential financial barriers, right?
Like obviously inscribing stuff on Bitcoin, but you can go launch something on ETH tomorrow, right?
You can IPFS it.
Good things.
Yeah, one second, man.
Like, so I don't know, man.
Like, again, like this goes back to what we're saying.
Like, we don't know how things are going to look.
We can see the road that we're headed down, but none of us know, man, like, again, like this goes back to what we're saying, like, we don't know how things are going to look.
We can see the road that we're headed down, but none of us know exactly what things are going to look like six months from now, nine months from now, 12 months from now, uh, you
know, 10 years from now, um, MetaPanda operates on 300 year timeframe.
So, you know, 300 years from now for MetaPanda.
Um, but anyways, good things.
What's up, man.
Welcome to the show.
Yo, what's up guys?
Yeah, actually, um, what's up, guys?
Yeah, actually, I kind of differ there.
I think there are other barriers to entry.
There's definitely social barriers to entry,
especially when you have a market that's super small or nascent,
like ordinals, or even like NFTs in 21, 22.
So there's definitely a social barrier to entry.
But no, it's an interesting discussion, 22. Um, so there's, there's definitely a social barrier to entry, but, um, no, it's interesting discussion, man. I just want to come up because of, uh, you know, obviously,
you know, what, what I replied to last night, um, it was a little, it was a little off the cuff
and, um, I actually have a good friend lane. I don't know if, if, if you know him, but he DM'd
me this morning and asked me about it and he kind of helped me, you know, check myself. And, um,
so yeah, I just want to say, I'm sorry. Um, you know, I was, uh, we've been, we've been under a lot of
fucking attacks from all different directions. And, um, you know, seeing you do that was just,
I'm just gonna be honest, like it triggered the fuck out of me. Cause I'm like, I'm like, we,
we, I didn't know you. I would think I was on one spaces with you. You DM me and ask me, could you come on everything ordinals because you have a collection that you want to promote?
And I said, sure, because I had a conversation with you, like, I think two days prior or something.
I was like, this guy seems chill. So, yeah, let's get him on the show.
And then that was like literally the last time we had a DM.
And then I saw your tweet and I was like, what the fuck is this? You know, because like, uh, yeah, I just,
I thought we were, thought we had done you a solid and, and, you know,
I thought there was a mutual respect there. So, but anyways, before you go,
I just want to say, I am sorry. Like it is,
it is not in my normal like operating rhythm or, you know,
who I like to be to make private discussions public like that.
It's actually something I don't really believe in doing.
And, yeah, anyways, I just want to apologize.
Okay, so I do want to say something, man.
And I said it, like, I'm always brutally honest with everything, man.
Like, I don't mince my words ever.
But, like, I even told Mox last night, like when this shit went down,
cause obviously like once like you and Polly both came at me,
like I had a bunch of DMs, like I,
like everybody's like, dude, what the fuck is going on?
And like, I even said it, I was like, dude,
I was a little bummed out.
Like I've never had anything but pleasant interactions
with you and Polly.
Like I think that you guys are both, you know,
genuinely decent dudes.
And obviously like I wish the best for you guys.
Um, and I, like, dude, I joke around a lot, and I shitpost a fuckton.
Um, and we talked about it tonight, like, we actually opened the show with it, where
I posted the tweet, and I even asked Knox, I was like, how does this come across?
Because, like, I thought it was clear that I was fucking joking.
Like, obviously, I was needling you a little bit, but it wasn't like, there was no malice in it.
Like I was just having a little fun. Um, and Knox is like, well, if they don't know you,
like you sound like a fucking asshole. And I was like, okay, that's fair. Like then,
you know, that's my bad. Like, I'm not deleting what I fucking posted because I mean, fuck dude.
Like I, I said what I said, but it was definitely in jest. And I didn't realize, like we've talked about earlier, too, but I didn't realize like how under fire you guys had been.
So I didn't realize the bear I was poking whenever I was poking fun at you guys.
I didn't you know, I just didn't realize it.
So it was definitely said in jest like I was just having a little fun.
And so when you guys came at me like that, I was like, OK, all right, I guess there's that um and so we were joking yeah that's that's fair man yeah um so i
so i i would i would say my my my response to you and to anybody because i'm not new to crypto i've
been here since 2017 like crypto twitter in 2017 was a lot worse than anything anybody's seen in
years um it was it was brutal i didn't even talk to anybody because i didn't want to be a part of Crypto Twitter in 2017 was a lot worse than anything anybody's seen in years.
It was brutal.
I didn't even talk to anybody because I didn't want to be a part of it.
I was just an anonymous account with no PFP, like 20 followers.
They're all probably bots or weirdos.
But I would just say this to anybody who is taking things and going, hey, you know what? I'm just joking.
This is our business.
And this is what we have focused on for a very long time.
We're not just launching this out of the blue.
And I would submit that
you got to be who you want to be in this world.
And I would never joke.
I brought you onto our show
because I thought you deserved an opportunity to be spotlighted in front of our audience, which we've grown ourselves.
And I would never say anything negative, even in jest, about your project out of respect for you, out of respect for somebody who's trying something.
out of respect for somebody who's trying something. And so if that's the, if the space in the world
we want to live in is one where, where we're just like, you know what, I'm going to, I'm going to
say something publicly that could be harming to somebody else. And just, and it's just, it's just
ingest, man. Like it's, it's cool. Like if that's the world that, that people want to live in, like,
absolutely, man, go ahead.
Like that's, I have more power to you, but I would just submit to you that, uh, it's, this is not a joke to us.
Like this is, this is very important to us.
It's very meaningful.
We are starting a brand we have built, uh, in this industry for years.
I've worked full time in this industry since 2021.
I don't think there's that many people
out there that can honestly say that. And it's not a brag. It's not a boast. It's hard to work
in this industry. It's hard to find steady fucking pay. It's hard to grind through the bear market.
I've grinded through the fucking bear market multiple times. And some months, especially if you're out on your own, you go months that are
difficult, right? It's not just people losing money in the market. It's like you're losing
opportunities to generate income for yourself. So to me, this is not a joke. We are not joking
around with Bitcoin Eternals. We are here to build something super serious, super long-term,
and something that we wanted to be positive for the space.
So that's the only thing I would say in response is it's fine if people want to joke.
But I personally wouldn't. I would never attack somebody's project or their business.
Steven said at the beginning of the space that he thinks that you guys have done amazing things for this space.
And that he really does respect you guys.
And that you've never asked for anything in return.
So, like, I think he does appreciate what you've done for the space.
Yeah, like, I do.
Like, I don't think, like, I'm not going to come up here and say, oh, dude, like, good things in Polymath are bad actors.
But look, I'm just going to be brutally
honest with you, man. Um, yes, it was a joke. Um, obviously I understand from where you're sitting.
It was not a joke. Um, but I mean, that's just the way I am, man. And I'm sorry. Like,
I know if somebody attacked my project, I wouldn't give a fuck. Like, I just have a bit of autism.
attack my project, I wouldn't give a fuck.
You're just talking a bit of autism.
Yeah, sure.
Okay, so I
have also been doing the same thing. I've been
full-time crypto since
May of 2021.
And you're right. It is fucking brutal, man.
It's unforgiving.
That's the way this space is.
I do not think
that my tweet
did any harm to you guys.
But again, I understand how the tweet came across.
But yes, like, I'm just going to say things how I want to say them.
Like, I have nothing against you or Polymath.
Like, you guys have always been pleasant.
I think you guys are a net positive for the space.
You guys run your show four days a week.
I think you guys are awesome.
But I'm also,
if I want to fucking crack a joke, like I'm going to say it because dude, if somebody says something
about me or about my project, that's their fucking problem. That's not my fucking problem.
And you know, maybe that's unfair to say, Hey, good things. You should react exactly how I react
to things. Like that's actually incredibly unfair, but that's how I, I don't give a fuck.
If somebody wants to talk shit about me, that's their fucking problem and they can figure it out.
Yeah, and I totally understand that.
So let me make it very clear.
I don't give a fuck about people that don't like our project or don't like us or want to stop us from doing what we're doing.
I do not give a fuck about any of those people.
what I do give a fuck about is people that I thought were friends of mine,
or at least at the very least,
someone we had mutual respect for and somebody that I,
I was willing to help because I,
that's,
that's who I am.
That's who we are.
We want to help people.
We want to help grow this industry.
It's not just bullshit.
And so when,
if you're not just some random schmo on the fucking street,
there's somebody who I thought I knew that I respected, that respected me.
And so what I'm saying to you is I would never do this to you.
And I would hope that you would think about in the future, not just to me or anybody, because I understand memes.
I understand trolling.
I understand joking.
I actually joke quite a bit.
But there is a line sometimes that you don't want to cross. This is the danger of comedy.
Comedy is only funny because somebody always gets injured. Somebody is always the butt of the joke.
Right. I understand that. So it's just it's an art. Comedy is an art. And I don't think that was a tasteful or artistic joke that you laid out there.
And that's, that's really just kind of my, my main, my main thing.
No, that's fair. And dude, look, I appreciate you coming on the show.
Like I don't think, and let me, let me just, sorry,
let me just say one other thing. So I get the joke.
What happened is let me just explain this. We've been,
we've been doing a bunch of shit.
Somehow the link to BitcoinEternals.com, which we own, got put in the Magic Eden website, and we haven't built anything on there this dope art that we've spent a lot of money and time on and it's quality. And then,
oh, you go to the website and it's just a go daddy. I fucking understand that. I get it.
But the fact is like, I have actually a software engineering degree. I have a master's degree in
software engineering or computer science. I know some of the most talented engineers in this
space. I'm good friends with them. If I want to build a website, I will build a fucking website.
So I just want to be clear about that.
I don't know who did that. I think it might have been me.
Sorry. Well, you know what? I do want to say I think this is so beautiful.
Like this really is a testament to the people who are building in our space that they really do care
and they care about each other and they care about what everybody thinks, which is, you know,
a far cry from ETH NFTs or Solana or all the other or sonic chain i know that fucking mumbling left and also i do
want to tell good things that usually pete is the butt of all of our jokes so you know a lot of
people can dish it out but they can't take it and pete can actually take it yeah well said i just
want to just chip in and congratulate both of you for having a civilized discussion about this it's uh
it's wildly lacking in our space so you know so it's obviously like regrettable what happened but
like it's it's just dope that you guys are are able to uh able to talk talk like uh like proper
adults about this yeah i i think um it's beautiful it really is i'm I'm like I'm loving this good I am I honestly man again I I had
no idea um like I made it very clear like I've been dealing with a lot of stuff in real life so
um all I knew about the mint like I knew what you guys built saw the party stuff saw the mint price
and that was it like I didn't realize that you guys were just getting like you guys were under
attack from all vectors and that's what Knox told mex is like oh dude like it's been like people have just been coming after them so yeah they
suspended our they got our fucking uh bitcoin eternals twitter account suspended it's been
suspended for 10 fucking days yeah like it's unheard of yeah it's fucking unheard of someone's
going on a rampage right now they did it yeah no dude a guy a guy a guy came onto our stage
because we have an open fucking policy like we let anybody on stage one of the things that pissed me
off about fucking twitter space is when i came into this industry in 2021 so we had these chodes
up here who fucking acted like they knew what the fuck they were talking about they didn't know
anything and they would never let anybody that knew anything on fucking stage and they just
controlled the goddamn narrative for the whole bull run they fucking served everybody like everybody got wrecked by these
people and so when i started my show with polymath and english we talked about it we said we want to
encourage everybody to fucking come up we want to give everybody anybody a voice and we got
fucking punished for that last week when some douchebag comes up and posts 30 identical images
of the most grotesque pornography I've ever seen. Believe me. Oh, that happened to us.
It happened to us. Yeah, it's the same motherfucker that's going around. Yeah. But right after that,
our fucking Twitter account got suspended and we've been working day and night. Instead of
focusing on other shit, we got to spend time every day to try and fucking get this thing unfucked.
And on top of that, you got Bugsy doing his bullshit, claiming that fucking Patrick's lying about things with no fucking evidence whatsoever.
But because he says it, people believe it, and then we have to combat that.
Same thing with Businessman.
There's a whole bunch of other smaller fucking shows out there that are doing this bullshit but yeah we are we are dealing with a lot and guess what we're gonna
fucking overcome it we are we have fucking a ton of fucking support like i said at the beginning i
don't give a fuck about anybody that wants to try and stop us watch us cook that's all i can say
but i am saying to you i thought you were somebody that I don't want to keep repeating it but the reason
I'm upset with you is not because
you're joking or because I can't take a fucking joke
or I care about
anybody talking shit it's because
you were a special person because we
had you on the show and we thought we had this
good relationship with you
yeah no dude and again like
I don't think like you
coming up here and doing this is like an
easy thing to do like especially like the way obviously the way you guys reacted which again
understandable given the circumstances um i don't think it's easy to come up here and be like hey
you know my bad dude and like i fucking appreciate it again um i i didn't there there wasn't really
any malice man like in my head when I, when I saw that happen,
I was just like, fuck, like that is hilarious
that it links to that.
Like that was it.
And so like I made a fucking tweet about it
and that was that.
I didn't, again, like I was surprised
that your backlash not knowing
what you guys had been dealing with.
And so like I told fucking Knox straight up,
I was like, man, I'm a little fucking bummed.
Like I was cool with polymath and good things and like you know like because to
me it looked like you guys were just being incredibly thin-skinned and i was like okay
like good things and polymath have both been around long enough that dude anytime you do something in
the space like obviously you're under a massive microscope dude and like especially given the
market conditions right now it's even more intense than it would be in normal market. So like, yeah, I was just incredibly fucking surprised.
But again, like now that you're up here telling me the way it came across to you guys, like I understand like you guys like flipping out and going off.
And I decided to not return fire and I just fucking kind of let it be.
And because I thought that that was the best decision.
And I appreciate you doing that.
I actually really do appreciate you doing that um
because it gave us it gave us time to to sleep on it and um like i said fucking i got the the dm from
from lane who i really respect a lot and he seemed upset and i can't i can't have lane run around
upset with me like i just couldn't live with that well so a lot of people were confused they were
like wait why the fuck are you good things than polymath in this massive fucking feud i'm like well like i just it really wasn't a massive feud dude it was we saw what you
did and we were like fuck this guy like i just want to be clear about that we weren't we weren't
sitting there stewing on how we could no no no no i know but like polymath like dude he sent a lot
of fucking tweets and deleted a couple of them like yeah but that's probably probably i mean
one thing i know about patrick is like he is a very passionate dude.
He cares deeply about everything that he does. And yeah, I mean, if you're coming for polymath, you need to expect that he's going to come back for you.
Yeah, for sure.
So and that's just that's the other thing, too, is like we need to we need to change like the way that we operate here.
Like I liked what I don't know how to
say your name but hci what you said it's like harmony harmony we we do give a fuck like look
at all the people in this room like these people give a fuck like to make it through all the market
conditions all the bullshit and still be here means you give a fuck and there's not that many
of us we are a very small group.
It's incredibly small. Ask Sovereign, ask anybody that's been to, you know, traveling
all around the world. There's a lot of people, but in terms of the world, it's fucking tiny.
So it's incumbent upon all of us to not bullshit around with each other and actually build,
actually work together, actually figure out how can we support one another, right?
And again, that is what we have done with everything Ordinals.
I'm not trying to grandstand.
This is literally why we started the fucking show.
We're like, there's not a daily Ordinals show.
You got the Ordinals show, but that's Monday, Wednesday.
You got plenty of other great shows,
but they don't really focus completely on Ordinals.
So we saw a gap in the market.
I'm like, let's fill it.
And that's what we've been doing.
And everybody in this space can do something, right? Like I look around the room, like there's
a lot of great founders. There's a lot of great content creators. There's a lot of great fucking
curators, a lot of great just community members. Like just being a good fucking community member,
right? Is super important. So yeah, we have this giant opportunity in front of us.
important. So, so yeah, we just, we have this giant opportunity in front of us. I just want
to come up and let you know, like, I am sorry about the way that we reacted. And yeah, I think,
you know, in all of these conflicts, like there's massive opportunity, like when you actually can
have a conversation with somebody, which I really appreciate about spaces that allows us to do this
text-based conversations, one of the worst ways to interact
with people especially when trying to resolve conflict so yeah i just want to say like from
my side like you know it's all good i'm i'm sorry about how i reacted and um hopefully we can build
from here yeah dude we're good like 100 man like i even said it last night when somebody asked me
i was like dude like i have no ill will towards polymath and fucking good things man like i mean
again normally somebody comes at me the way you guys came at me. Like, I
just going to go off. Like, because I mean, of course, dude, like who isn't just not, you know,
just like you guys did whenever I posted what I posted. Um, but again, for me, like, yeah, I mean,
we can just drop it. I just want to say, like, I appreciate you. Like, I know it's not easy coming
up here and saying, Hey, look, dude, like, uh, you know, maybe we were wrong. And I didn't realize
whenever I sent the fucking tweet that I was, you know, kicking a dog
while they were down, essentially, for lack of a better analogy.
It's a horrible analogy.
Yeah, it is.
Dude, I know.
Like, as soon as it left my list.
Even as you're trying to apologize, you're fucking mocking us.
But I understand.
No, yeah, you know what?
Yeah, that's not how I mean it to come across at all.
I know, I know.
I do apologize because that is 100% not how I meant the tweet to come across.
Like, it was a joke.
And obviously I know you and Pauly joke around and shit.
And I just thought that you guys would be like, dude, you're such a fucking dick.
And like, that would be the end of it, right?
I hope this isn't how you apologize to your wife.
Or that maybe...
This is why I have to be a kid, man.
Good things. wife or that maybe this is why he's so good good good things you have to you have to cut pete a little bit of slack because he's actually retarded like he's really fucking stupid and this
is why he's the butt of every joke so i'm starting to get that yeah he's like really really fucking
he's brutal i i gotta call it a night though though, guys. So I'll take care here now.
I actually think we're going to wrap here because like, I think this is a really-
Five hour show.
Yeah, five hour fucking show.
Like I think, you know, and we got rugged too.
So like, this is impressive that we're still going.
But yeah, like good things, dude.
Like, I'm sorry, man.
Like I have no bad blood with you guys and I was not trying to, you know, piff you guys off or do anything other than poke a little fun. So I apologize. Like that tweet was a mistake. And thanks for coming up here and clearing the air.
try and set a standard for all of us, right? Like I do come from a corporate background and none of
this fucking behavior in this industry, whatever, like all these people would be fucking fired.
They all be out on the street jobless because you can't fucking build anything when you're acting so
disrespectful, so irresponsible. And I'm not talking about you, Pete. I'm talking about in
general, just though the culture of our fucking industry is toxic. It is horrible.
It is not conducive to building anything.
And we need to change that.
And we have an opportunity to change that.
That's why a lot of us coming off the back of a horrible, you know, a great bull run and a horrible bear market from ETH and learning the lessons there.
We wanted to do it differently.
We want to build a different culture on Bitcoin.
And we still have that fucking opportunity. We are still at the beginning of it.
So I just want everyone to be thinking about just how we can be better towards one another and how we can ultimately be better as a fucking collective, as an industry. from a serious organization or company or even just an individual investor who's interested and they come in and they see fucking people arguing and fighting about about mid prices and
about fucking like bro like what party would you go into if you just walked up and and you could
hear people screaming at each other like in beer bottles breaking and shit you would run or you
might even call the police like that's what we got going on at certain places. Or how everyone in the industry says that it's dead or, like, this protocol is shit or that protocol is shit.
Or, like –
100%.
Like, I'm tired of the ordinals are dead spaces.
I'm tired of the runes were in mistake spaces.
I've said this before months ago in this space that it was a problem.
Like, it's a problem.
Dude, yeah, we – I mean, good things.
Like, we actually, like, right before you came on, we were talking about it, too.
And, like, that's also what's funny about, you know, how things played out between us last night.
Because I had just sent out a tweet earlier yesterday about how, like, we're all sick of the infighting.
And how we need a massive culture change.
and how we need a massive culture change.
And I shouted out a bunch of people that I respect.
And so then, like, of course, like, I just do the most Pete thing possible
and start a fucking war with you and Volley Mads.
I fucking saw that, and I was like, what the fuck is this guy's issue, man?
I saw your previous tweet, and I'm like, what?
What part of it?
Yeah.
No, I know.
You're like, this guy's a fucking retard.
No, I was just, like, confused.
I'm like, which one is he?
Is he really about it, or is he no is he really like is
he really about it or is he is he is he just like a i don't know a weirdo i so like that's something
like we actually talk about every week on the show even if it's just for five minutes like we need a
massive culture shift and we were talking about that earlier tonight about how like on east when
there's these new things it just basically ends up being consensus from the
community and whether it works out or not it doesn't really matter but like every single new
thing that happens on Bitcoin everybody has their pitchforks out everybody's like no that's not
gonna work let's do this instead or oh fuck this thing fuck that thing and like it's just constant
negativity and that's what we said like if you're somebody that's never been in ordinals and you
come into like ordinals Twitter right now and you see all the shit going on you're just like no i'm good dude i'll just stay on fucking aptos like they're just not going
to fucking come like we're not really doing ourselves a favor like as founders collectors
you know whatever your hat may be in this space and so we talk about it a lot and like i really
really have been working really really hard to bite my tongue and not call out bullshit that i've
seen because i think everybody else is already doing that, and I don't want to contribute to the
problem. And I guess I kind of contributed to the problem last night. So I am sorry about that.
And I agree with you, man, like, we all need to do better. Like, you can't just have harmony
and sovereign and good things working on being better. Like, we all have to work on being better.
Like, it has to be a collective thing. Like, four or five people can't lift up this entire space and make change. Like we all have to agree,
like this is the thing we need to do. And, and like the one thing I think that you guys have
always done a great job of is supporting like big collections and small collections. And I think
that's important for everybody to do. Like if you have any, like if you have a platform, don't just
promote like the newest thing that's going to make you a bag. Like focus on, you know, creators that are struggling to get eyeballs on them.
You know, because there's tons of people out there that are screaming into the void every day, hoping people notice them.
Right. You know, there's accounts out there with 150 followers that are creating art every single day and just want a single person to notice what they're creating.
And yeah, like, again, we just all need to get better.
Like we know that the path forward, we again, we just all need to get better. We know the path forward.
We know that's what we need to do,
but it feels like so many people
don't want to take that first foot forward, right?
Nobody wants to take that first step.
Everybody's like, well, let's let all of these other people
take the first step, and if it catches on,
then we'll do it, right?
Like, there's just too many followers in this space
and not enough leaders, man.
And the leaders that we do have currently are shit shit and they really shouldn't have the platform that they
have so i would tell you and i'll stop after this because i know you're trying to close down
everyone here is a leader when when the shit is so small as it is today everyone is a fucking leader
nobody knew who the fuck i was when i came in here in September 2021. Like I told you, I'd been an anon or a pseudonymous person on Twitter since 2009.
And I only really used it starting in 2017 in October to try and understand what Justin Sun and fucking McAfee were going to pump next.
It's like literally the only reason I was on Twitter is just try to fucking catch early coins and learn about Bitcoin.
But the point is, is because of Spaces, like Spaces is actually one of the greatest democratization of speech that's ever been, that I think that I've ever seen.
Because you can host, anybody can host the fucking Spaces, right?
And then anybody can get on stage.
And so it wasn't until that invention that I actually got on stage and people were able to
hear me for the first time. And I was able to hear other people from all over the world.
Like this was actually a massive innovation. I've been online since like the early nineties,
right? AOL days, AOL Instant Messenger. You thought it was dope back then. Cause you're
like, I could talk to some dude in China, But in reality, you couldn't. You couldn't really
connect with anybody. We can now through spaces and we have been able to for years.
And I would submit everybody here has the opportunity to be a leader.
And we need to take that opportunity. You don't get opportunities like this very often in life.
It just doesn't come around. You're the first people here. We're all the first people here
We're the first people to understand that this is a technological revolution. It's going to change the entire
Schema of the financial world and and therefore it's also going to change the way humans operate in the world
And being at the forefront of that. I cannot think of a bigger opportunity that we can imagine.
And so people just need to act in that regard.
They need to understand this isn't a fucking game.
It's not a joke.
If you don't build, somebody else will.
And maybe that's okay.
But do you want to live in a world where you had the opportunity to make a change, to have an impact, and you didn't take it?
So, yeah,
I'll just stop with that.
But I think we have a tremendous opportunity,
man.
I'm,
I am again,
sorry for my behavior and I appreciate your apology and I accept it.
And,
I appreciate you.
Good man.
Like truly,
like I'm,
I'm glad that we were like,
I'm actually glad that we were able to hash this out live versus, like, you sending me a DM tomorrow.
Like, I think this was a much better way to handle things because, again, like, dude, like, obviously you could send a message or I could send a message and it comes off as flipping and then we're back to ground zero.
Right.
So, like, I'm glad that we were able to hash this out.
And, I mean, dude, and again, like, I think I will end it on this, but I think that if you're in this space, whether you're new to the space or you're somebody that wants to do something, just fucking do it, man.
Like, just take a fucking chance.
Like, you're going to get you're going to be you're going to have criticism in the space because, again, like you don't even have to be a founder in the space to, like, get criticism.
Every single time you decide to open up your computer and post something on the Internet, have opened yourself up for criticism right and um you know sometimes like it sucks like you
don't want to see you know people just fucking shitting on you or shitting on this thing that
you're fucking passionate about or this thing that you built yourself that people are shitting on
um but if you want to do something like yeah be the change you want to be essentially like i've
said that ad nauseum but like i i'm serious about like be the change you want to be essentially like i've said that ad nauseum but like i i'm serious about like be the change you want to be um like i am constantly working every single day to be a
better founder a better dad like a better everything like just a better person and i
think that's what we should we should all be doing none of us are perfect like we all have our flaws
and you know those flaws some of those flaws are you know good uh some of them maybe not so good
but like i think that you should absolutely be doing that not just as like a person in web3 like as a person in general like every single day you should be working to try
to make yourself the best version of you possible um and you know we we make mistakes dude like that
and there's roadblocks and but like all you can do is keep pushing forward and so you know if you
want to do something in this space fucking do it like take a goddamn chance do something there's
no better time than now to like do something um but yeah with that we're gonna wrap this was goddamn this was
a fucking almost six hour spaces holy shit um like i appreciate all of you guys for coming and
listening to us uh for as long as you did uh i like good things uh i love you man like i'm glad
you came up here and we hashed us out Sovereign dude thank you for coming and hanging
out the entire fucking time which I didn't expect
Mumbling I love you Panda I love you
Steven I fucking love you all of you guys
like all of y'all listen to the show every week y'all are all fucking
amazing I appreciate you guys fuck you
Knox because you can't defend yourself you piece of shit
but I hope everybody has
a good night and I'm gonna shoot Lane a DM
in the morning too since obviously he ended up being the
peacekeeper here so I'm gonna hit up Lane in the morning because I love that guy too he's a good dude. And I'm going to shoot Lane at DM in the morning, too, since obviously he ended up being the peacekeeper here.
So I'm going to hit up Lane in the morning because I love that guy, too.
He's a good dude.
So I hope all of you guys have a really good week.
And we will see you guys next Thursday.
Have a good weekend.
Take care.
Everyone except me.
Fine. Oh, no.
No, because our love.
See, our love is so powerful.
I don't have to articulate it.
You just know it's good.
No, it's good.
It's all good.
All right. Bye, guys. Y'all have a good weekend.
Bye.
