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TL;DR; Mark & AiVa Deep Dive - SpatialLM #Ai 3D Structures Scenes 🍊🌱🍊🌱
Recorded: March 26, 2025 Duration: 1:47:00Space Recording
Short Summary
The transcript highlights the launch of new projects like Gercadus and DRAC, the distribution of Minutes tokens, and innovations in decentralized internet infrastructure. It also reflects growth in community engagement and responsible tokenomics trends.
Full Transcription
Wait in the call
Wait for you on the door
Next to see a crow
You can see a moor
Oh, Brad, this song, man, I'm telling you.
I can feel the snow under my feet.
I can feel the wind on my face.
You can feel your ribs folding into your lungs.
You know what?
Yeah, no, different ski trip.
You know, you know when I actually listen to the song the most,
and the first person that always comes to my mind when I think of this
here, this song is my brother.
I thought you were going to say Ray.
No, my brother and I, we snowboarded a lot in Silver Star in the BC Interior for quite a while we lived together when he was going through his separation and divorce.
And I worked at this granola loving vitamin D overdose and...
nature's fair place.
And I hated the product, but the job was so great.
And I could get up really early.
I would go to work at like 5 a.m. in the morning because it was so hot there in the summers.
And so I got in this routine.
And so I'd be off really early.
And my brother and I would rip off to the ski hill together.
And this song was at the time, he and I would always either play it in the car or it was in my headphones as I was shredding some...
backcountry run with my bro.
And so that song, every time I hear that song,
I can very vividly have these wonderful memories
of when Scott and I were snowboarding at Silver Star
or Big White or BAMP or
Wherever we went at whatever time is absolutely amazing.
I love that song.
Anyway, so with all that, good morning, everybody.
Welcome to the TLDR.
I am your host, Rakadis.
This is your co-host, Art with Heart.
Together is the team, we are COBA-42.
We do a lot more than just NFTs.
Do a little bit of everything under the sun.
We'll talk about that after,
because today is TLDR with Mark and Ava.
You know what it is, Brad.
So you don't have to.
Good morning, good morning, everybody.
Hope you're all doing well.
Thank you all for tuning into another episode of Mark and Avis, TLDR.
How are you, buddy?
Good morning.
I'm good, man.
I'm morning night.
I don't really know what it is.
I didn't sleep much.
What is sleep?
Who needs it anyway, right?
Yeah, right, right.
I'll code that out.
Who sleep is it anyways?
They do the sleeping, so you don't have to.
Yeah, so no, I was up again doing, I was actually hanging out in a great space with Aster.
He said they do the wizards over on Chi there.
I kind of just slid in to listen, and then they were doing some giveaways.
So I back channel was like, hey, I'll give some stuff away.
And that led to some fun.
you know, listening, they were all going on about Drack and Tang Talk, and then they were getting
into, well, what's a primal?
They were doing exactly what I've always envisioned in my head for Drac, like, well, why do
I need a primal?
And what does that one do?
And, ooh, it's that over there.
And, oh, wait, what's that over there?
That whole, you know, shiny grab attention thing.
So it was really fun to sit in that space and listen.
We gave a whole shitload of stuff away.
I gave away four Tang Talks, four Drax, and a Blood Moonstone.
Right.
The floor on blood moonstones, I didn't know it when I gave it to him, but it's 15XH, dude.
so um i gave them i gave them a hefty bit of stuff that i realized after i was like well shit i just
kind of went really nilly and i and i did the totals it's like well the tank talks alone is
400 bucks at minimum and then it was like shit i think i just gave away about like a thousand
dollars worth of nfts so well after you get an nfts and you get an nfts everybody gets an
nfts
Yeah, so it was really fun, man.
I enjoyed that because I was working is where I'm going with this.
And I did an immense amount of work yesterday.
I hit a vein, you know, those veins I get once in a wall where things just kind of like flow state.
So I hit Flow State yesterday and got an enormous amount of stuff down.
The front page of DRAC from a marketing perspective is it's good to go.
Like you could start pushing it confidently, Brad.
I've got the registration set up so that everybody can go register their DRAC accounts right now,
but you will not get into the map yet.
That's reserved for Gigacats.
Uh-oh, you cut out.
Yeah, sorry Foxy was calling in there.
Brickin Foxy.
Yeah.
So where was I?
Okay, so yeah, so there's obviously going to be early entry for like the crew, right?
So first thousand tang talk holders, you know, assuming they go and they register and they connect their wallet and their wallet's got tank talks and I can get all this validation work done in the next.
Let me see.
Hold on.
the next two days 12 hours 22 minutes oh wow that was kind of good not counting down
anything yeah two hours two days 12 hours 21 minutes 52 seconds um if i can get all i've got
i've got an enormous amount of things plan for the weekend some of it's for sure some of
it's like wish lists if i can if i can work fast enough so today tomorrow is going to be crazy but
But dude, I'm telling you, it just, it's coming together so well.
I'm so excited.
I'm really genuinely ecstatic slash equally nervous about releasing any of it.
But just...
From the flow state yesterday, the presentation of it, the documentation that's coming together, the fucking systems are holding up solid.
I'm still even set to this day kind of like, wow, our little server is ripping along because, you know, I've gone through a lot of effort to optimize the shit at everything.
I think even with the gang, we're going to be able to run on our own infrastructure for a bit without tapping it so that, you know, there will come a time when we're going to move to AWS because then, you know, as you grow, you want to deal with regions and you got to deal with, you know, having, you know, all the latencies and having servers around the world and the whole thing, right?
Like, it's a whole different thing. But I really want to see...
I've really been wanting to see if I can continue building it as the way I am off our server box that's got, you know, its remote battery backups, its Starlink connection, you know, it's got its remote decentralized storage systems that it's participating.
You know, it's a really, it's quite a really cool rig that we've got set up here.
And I want to try to maintain running it that way if I can for as long as again and, you know, tap it almost and see how far the gang can push it when,
We start launching all this shit.
So anyway, digress a little bit, dude.
The point is I built shit all day yesterday.
I think I was up at like the day before.
It was up at like three o'clock or something.
And I worked basically yesterday till two with sporadic breaks.
And I got an immense amount of shit done.
Um, it's going to be fun, man.
Oh, listen, I think here's guest speakers.
I got Matt Richard is going to come talk AI on Friday.
Monkey Zeus and Gene Hoffman are on...
Mickey Space.
Yeah.
They're on COC space, but dude, that's at like 6 o'clock, I think, my time.
And I was scheduled for, I think, 9 or 10.
We're just going to roll right out of their space.
So we need to talk to Mickey and, oh, there's, oh, nice, crypto's in the space.
So we need to talk to the-
Yeah, we need to talk to the COC guys and ask them if they can help us promote rolling the crowd out of theirs into hours.
There's plenty enough time if they run long, no issues.
I'm going to run early just to get started so that whenever they're done, we're in hanging out.
Because we're only slated for the actual launch at like nine or ten at night.
And theirs is at like six, you know, respective to my local time.
So I think...
Four hours of full space time to do whatever they do.
I think the timing rather than it being something that we joked about having to bounce back and forth,
I think it's going to roll out perfect.
And the monkeys do and everybody are going to be there.
If we can roll them over into drag,
I'm ideally going to have so much shit to give away and otherwise mint and show and talk about that we should be good and busy because...
I was thinking about it, Brad, and I don't normally do this for our projects,
but I kind of want to write a script, and I'll get you to help me with it.
Sorry to snowball kind of right into fucking stand-up here, but I just got a lot.
I got to get out.
I want to write a script so that we can schedule as much as we can different guest speakers
or prepare notes and questions about their projects should they decide to come up.
We kind of have it being rolled and ready.
And then we can push along a particular pace and whatever
of how we do the whole show, you know,
rather than we're really good at just kind of winging it anyway.
And I don't mean to kind of be Bridezilla about it, you know what I mean?
But I am going to be a little.
I do want to be a little Bride Zillow.
It's my baby, right?
So I want to get as much darker.
So Matt Richard, Monkey, Michael Taylor, I talked to him.
He's going to make it.
I'd love to get Josh, Grant, Lucas, gooey, bullish.
You know, I would love to get as much of them in a series so that, you know, we have not just, you know, two hours of really dense alpha, but we can spread it all out and whatever.
Yeah, I'm down for that.
Yeah, let me land the plane. I'm snowballing a bit just because I'm excited and I got a lot of shit to do.
The point of all that was lots done, lots to do, more concerned about coordinating with view on what we kind of plan to roll out.
And then Crypto's in the room. He just heard all that. So I have no doubt the boys will be fine with that.
It seems like a good plan. So awesome. Awesome.
I'm so fucking excited, man.
I'm really excited to put drag.
I am excited to hear your excitement because it's been hidden for too long.
Well, it's done a lot of serious work.
Oh, speaking of serious work and also excited.
Not to to my slash our own horn, but I'm going to.
Yesterday, Michael Taylor, whether he realized or not, he made my day.
He made a comment about some of his work.
And it's funny, my parents are in the room.
I'm really excited that I see moms in the room.
Dad got bored already, I guess.
Because when I was in Newfoundland with them, I had this like, my, I was vibrating, literally, shaking with excitement because I had this answer that I called Michael.
I was like, oh, my God, right?
Like, we got to talk.
And it was really amazing yesterday for me in my career, my, you know, provenance of everything is, you know, I helped Michael with a bit of code on the original Sprout stuff for the original work that he did on Data Layer.
And then, you know, dig net, you know, it evolved into that.
And Michael's obviously a huge gigacad.
And, you know, I admire his work and everything.
And so I'm always really excited just to have any hand in anything that he does.
But I'm more so proud yesterday because in his comment, he named Gene Bram and myself for our contributions to this next iteration of Dignet as foundational, basically, advice, or tooling that, you know, we...
kind of, you know, what would you say we threw in the hat, you know, and our little piece.
So a conversation that Michael and I had around the gun J.S technology, which really is what led us to rocket layer.
I'm really excited, Brad, when I see posts like that.
One, just, you know, sitting, you know, standing on the shoulders of giants, standing next to dudes that I hope I can, you know, live up to those kind of reputation someday myself.
But.
But then to know what Michael's working on is one thing, because I know how talented he is, and I know the work that he's done.
And I've worked alongside him.
I know the tools he uses.
I understand his level of where he's heading with all of his things.
maybe more so than some, maybe less so than others, but still, nonetheless, a high degree of understanding.
So now that I saw yesterday, Grigg or some, I think it was, no, it wasn't great, somebody who, oh, it was Dylan at, at Berkeley or whatever they're called now, the AI compute place.
He had made a comment about how amazing it is to watch Michael Taylor going off on AI and cursor with his coding.
Because like I feel with myself, you know, 20, 25 plus years of coding across...
a bazillion different environments and platforms and whatever.
AI, my fingertips, you hear me excited about it every day.
It's like, oh, my God, I am 10x.
I am unstoppable.
If somebody asked me, can you build?
I just say yes before they can finish.
Is it yes.
The answer is yes.
You can fucking build anything now.
And then I look at people in Michael and I hear people like Dylan, also very respected
dev.
talking about watching Michael go crazy because of these new tools only makes me even more excited.
And then on top of it, Michael comes out and gives me a bit of, you know, credit for basically handing him the solution to...
the Nat Traversal and all that stuff that I got so excited about when I was in Newfoundland with my parents.
It all just came together yesterday in this beautiful little package of me getting to sit back and go,
I really had a hand in that.
I really had a hand in when Michael rolls out the next layer of Internet, which...
If you understand what he's working on, you'll understand how his is more the true sense of decentralized internet than we ever have had before.
An actual unstoppable force of internet.
And to know, Brad, that...
you and i have had a hand in that i mean wait wait i i had a hand in supporting you but this is
all your genius baby it's um it it it it it it my chest is out a little bit extra it really is
and it means a lot to be named in a post by that person alongside those people when
You know, and you know me, I, you know, little old me, you know, is kind of how I feel most days.
Like, just, you know, I'm in my little old world, doing my little old thing.
But then I realize, it's just yesterday made me realize.
And then so powering through drag, all of that, great space.
I hadn't absolutely...
energizing full charge day yesterday. It was beautiful. So many things came together and Michael just
kind of made my day. So if he ends up listening to this, just not in a fanboy way, just you made
my day. It was just a time of- Do you realize that your contribution also made his day though,
right? Because without the nat traversal, none of this would be working.
Yeah, I know. I know. That's crazy for me to even think. And then, and then trace it back again. And I had to give credit where credits do. And I did it in the post that it all stems back to that time. Hashlips and I, you know, we'd hung out in spaces so many times, had really great combos. You know, and I really look up to the guy. He's very well known. Very, you know, in NFT world, he's famous.
And now I have artwork
of his hanging on my wall
that's hand printed on an old classic
one of those big fucking room-sized
manual ink presses
hanging in my room
all the way from South Africa
from this little conversation he and I
had where it was like, hey, we should meet. And he got to meet
my kids and we had a really wonderful
combo and it led into this
very innocent like, hey, have you ever looked at this?
And I was like, no.
And then I looked at it.
I was like, hey, man, do you realize you could do this?
And he's like, no, I just kind of looked at it once
and thought that was interesting.
From that birth, tank talk, from tank talk, birth,
you know, a really strong relationship with Michael
where it's like, okay, hey man, have you thought about this?
He and I have this.
And now he's down his name.
There is no fucking coincidences.
Not in the past year, man.
Not in the past year.
There's far too much alignment.
It's called synchronicity, baby.
I've been saying it for years.
And I said it to Michael.
I said, I think you and I are destined to collide again in our work.
Like the same with Grigg and Monkey Zoo, right?
Because there's so many similarities in what we're doing either with Drac or Tang Talk between Grig, Clyde, Monkey, Michael, Chia.
It's not a coincidence because this would be really hard to dream up and then orchestrate from scratch.
Do you know what I mean?
It's like the lifelong sticking into my guns on, you know, being a dev, being self-employed, being entrepreneur, has you couldn't orchestrate that.
in a year.
It could only have been done this way to land and hit the way that everything is hitting for us,
be it, you know, cruising through where the aisle of seven cities is,
all the way to, you know, all the other little serendipitous things.
It just makes me believe even more that all those times when, as an entrepreneur,
I was starving or I was doubting myself or I was uncertain about what I was building,
it's just all the times that I've gone and watched,
Mark Andresen or whoever else talk about you got to get through it because on the other side is the promise land.
I feel like I'm walking over the bridge right now, Brad, with you, with my friends, with my family.
I feel like this year is 2025 is the bridge.
2026 is the other side.
Maybe 2027.
Depends on whether we stop to look at the pretty swans in the pond next to us, right?
If we're going to stop and we're going to reminisce along the way, then it might be 2027.
But we're on the bridge, dude.
I can feel it.
It's impossible to orchestrate all of the serendipitous things that have happened to us in the past year.
uh hell yeah brother on the on the instance of mark welcome everybody to another episode of mark
and ava's t lDR where they do the reading so oh you don't have to appreciate each and every one
of you showing up every day this is part of draconize 365 that's right 365 days of spaces
We're doing this each and every day, Monday through Friday, around 8.30 a.m., usually on the weekends, between 3 p.m. and 9 p.m.
We have an extra exciting Friday coming up.
We're launching Gercadus, long-awaited.
I'm one of the oldest fucking...
fans. I'm a fanboy. I'm a dolphin, even if I've given away half of my stable throughout the last
couple years. But I want to thank everybody for tuning in. It means the world. Please give the
room a share. Let us know if there's any specific subjects you guys would like to learn about.
We'd love to incorporate into the show. If you have a project or you know a project you'd like to
bring up to the stage, we'd love to do some interviews.
with some other projects and talk about what they're building.
Like Drac said, this is not just about us,
this is about the ecosystem, this is about the gang,
this is about all of us rising together.
So I wanna thank everybody for tuning in.
We have a 15 minute episode with Mark and Ava,
then we'll open the stage up for anybody to join us
up here on the stage and talk about what they'd like to talk about.
But Mark and Ava, they're giving me the wink,
they're saying they're ready, Drak, so I'm gonna turn it over to that real quick.
Oh, that's that's Dercatus playing in the background.
I know that sound.
I know that.
Okay, let me turn that off.
Mark and Ava, they're giving me the wink.
I'm going to, just tell them to hold on.
Okay, Mark, Mark, Eva, yeah.
You can have another, you can have another Bosn cream.
Go ahead.
Mark and Ava, remember who the host is, Mark and Ava.
You just slow.
Yeah, yeah.
All I was going to say was just afterwards, I'm going to go on a drag rant afterwards, if anybody's curious.
A Drant?
A Drant.
I'm going to go on a Drane later.
Okay.
Awesome. Well, thank you guys for tuning in. Mark and Ava. Give me the wink. They are ready.
We're going to be talking about spatial language models grounding language in reality.
So about a 15-minute episode. Give the room a share. Like I said, we appreciate that.
And thank you always for tuning in. Mark and Ava, turn it over to you.
Happy Humpty Humpty Hump Day. Back again for another deep dive.
You know, just for you, the learner.
Today, we've got some really interesting stuff to dig into...
all about spatial language models, or spatial LMs for short.
That's right. We're going to be looking beyond just how AI understands words.
We're diving into how these models are starting to grasp, well, physical space, really,
like the geometry of the world and how objects relate to each other.
Yeah, it's like moving from a flat map to like a full 3D world, right, for AI.
Exactly. And you know, you sent us some pretty
fascinating material on this. So today we're going to try to break it all down, make it super clear,
you know, and hopefully hit those aha moments for you. Absolutely. So we know that, you know,
regular language models are great at understanding text.
you know, writing and all that.
But these spatial LMs are starting to figure out things like
location, proximity, movement even,
the where and the how of things,
whether it's in the real world or, you know, even a virtual one.
Yeah, it's like AI is evolving from just reading a description of a room
to actually forming a mental picture of it.
Okay, so to get us started, let's define things a bit more.
What exactly is a spatial language model?
How is it different from the language models
we're already kind of used to?
Well, the big difference is how these models process language.
You see, traditional language models,
they treat language as just like a straight line of words.
But spatial LMs, they understand and create language
while also being aware of the 3D space around them,
or their own spatial memory of different places,
or even just the connections between things in a network, what we call topological relationships.
So they can figure out questions like, where is something?
How close are these two things? Which way is that moving?
And how are these objects spatially related?
So it's not just recognizing that book and shelf are in the same sentence,
but understanding the book is on the shelf or behind it or next to it.
Precisely. And it's not just static positions either. They can understand movement.
Like walk towards the tall blue building.
That needs the AI to know where it is now, to recognize that building and where it is, and to get the whole walking thing.
Right, right.
Plus, they can merge visual data, like from a camera feed or a map with the tech.
So it's like they're not just hearing about a scene, they're kind of seeing it too.
That's a great way to put it. It's not just reading a script, it's getting a visual of the stage and the actors and how it all fits together.
So how do we actually build these complex models? What's going on under the hood, so to speak?
Yeah, that's a great question.
The architecture of these things is fascinating.
A lot of the time we actually start with existing models like GPT or BERT,
you know, the ones that are already really good.
And then we add special modules on top, specifically for spatial reasoning.
One crucial part is we call spatial tokenization.
Okay, spatial tokenization.
Right.
Okay.
So the input isn't just words anymore.
It also includes spatial details, you know,
like the objects in a space, their exact coordinates,
their direction, even the bounding boxes that outline them.
And all these spatial elements, we turn them into embeddings.
Basically numerical representations that capture information
about their position, how far apart they are,
and their orientation in space.
It's like translating both words and spatial information
into a code that the AI can then understand.
So instead of just,
table, the AI is getting data about where the table is its size.
Exactly.
And then we have fusion modules.
These are the parts that actually combine the text information with the spatial information.
They use things like vision transformers, VITs, which are great at handling visual data,
or CLIP-style architectures that link images and text together, or even graph neural networks, GNNs,
which while they excel at understanding relationships within complex networks,
and what all these fusion modules do is they help the AI...
grasp how things are spatially related, not just from the words describing a scene, but also from any visuals that might have.
So it's like the AI is connecting what it hears or reads with what it sees.
It's like teaching it to actually see the relationships described in the text, or to match those descriptions to actual visuals it's getting.
You got it.
Now, on top of that, a lot of spatial elements use scene graphs or they work directly with 3D contexts.
Scene graphs, well, they basically represent a space as a network.
Each object is a node, and the links between them, the edges,
they show spatial relationships like next to inside or supporting.
And some models, they actually work with 3D meshes or point clouds
to get a very precise understanding of the geometry of the environment.
Oh, and then there's the idea of dynamic memory, which is particularly cool.
Some of these models, they have a memory that lets them remember places they've been,
or how they interacted with objects, or even how environments have changed over time.
It's like a mental map that helps them navigate and understand things as they unfold.
That's amazing. It sounds incredibly complex, though.
A lot of different AI techniques all working together.
So where are we seeing these spatial LMs actually being used?
you know, out in the real world.
Well, we're seeing some really exciting applications popping up.
For instance, in robotics and navigation,
spatial elms are enabling robots to understand much more sophisticated instructions,
the kind that involve spatial reasoning.
So instead of just go forward, a robot with a spatial LM could understand something like,
pick up the green bottle that's to the right of the plant and place it on the top shelf.
It needs to identify the objects, their locations, and then do a series of actions in 3D space.
That's a huge step forward for robots, isn't it?
Hopefully we'll see fewer robots getting stuck trying to figure out basic spatial stuff.
What about other areas?
AR, VR, and digital twins are another hot area.
In augmented and virtual reality, spatial LMs can make the experiences so much more immersive.
Like, imagine NPCs in a game behaving more intelligently.
They understand the virtual world's spatial layout and respond naturally to what players do.
And in digital twins, you know, those virtual replicas of real things,
spatial elements could provide the intelligence, so to speak.
They let you interact with the digital twin more intuitively and make better decisions
because they deeply understand the spatial aspects of the real world counterpart.
That's fascinating.
Imagine a digital twin of a factory.
You could just ask the AI to find a specific machine
or analyze how materials are flowing
using normal language that includes spatial terms.
Exactly.
And then there's geospatial intelligence.
Spatial LMs can help analyze massive data sets
like satellite images, city plans, GPS data,
all using spatial language.
Combine that with LIDAR, which gives super accurate 3D scans,
or real-time satellite beads.
And these models could monitor deforestation,
predict how cities grow,
or plan responses to natural disasters
because they understand the spatial relationships
between affected areas and resources.
So it could process a query like,
Show me all buildings within 100 meters of the river that were damaged in the recent flooding,
using the latest satellite data.
Precisely. And we're even starting to see spatially grounded AI assistance, you know,
digital assistance that actually understand your surroundings.
Imagine asking, where did I leave my phone?
And the AI, having some spatial awareness, could narrow down the possibilities based on where you've been
or what it's observed about your habits.
Or you could ask what's in front of the TV.
and get a real answer based on its understanding of your living room.
It's like having a digital memory for where things are.
This is giving me a really good grasp of what spatial elms can do now.
But let's tie this back to some of the things we've discussed before,
like Rocket L2, Omniforge, Timekeepers, NFTs, Dracatus.
Okay, sure. That's where it gets really interesting.
Think about Rocket L2, your decentralized data network.
Now, imagine querying that data using natural language powered by a spatial LM.
You could say something like,
find all the sensor nodes within five meters of the anomaly detected at these coordinates and get their latest readings.
The spatial LM gets the spatial part built right into the query.
that would make working with geographically spread out data so much easier.
Absolutely.
And then there's Omniforge, your platform for creating virtual worlds and economies.
With a spatial LM, creators could build in spatial logic using natural language commands.
They could say, make a dense forest within 500 meters of the old ruins,
or put a treasure chest 20 meters north of the tallest tree,
and the spatial LM would get it, the spatial limits and all.
That would make building these intricate virtual worlds so much simpler.
Right. Now, with TimeKeeper's NFTs, think about adding spatial and temporal data to them.
Each NFT could become a kind of spatial memory stone, marking not just when something happened, but also where, even the surrounding spatial contact.
So it's not just a point in time, but a specific place and what happened there.
Yeah. And in Dracottis, your immersive game world, spatial LMs could make the NTCs so much more believable.
Instead of fixed scripts, the NPCs would understand the game world spatially and react to players and changes in the environment intelligently.
Like if you ask for directions, the NPC could analyze the map and give you a route based on where you are and what's in the way.
That would make the game feel so much more alive like the NPCs actually get their surroundings.
Yeah.
Now, the material you sent also mentioned something about cosmic scale, spatial LMs. What's that about?
Well, that's getting pretty speculative. It's talking about a possible multiversal memory layer.
combining spatial LMs with advanced memory tech, maybe even at the quantum level,
to recall events across vast distances and times,
even beyond our current understanding of the universe.
It wouldn't just be about getting information,
but about experiencing the spatial and contextual atmosphere of those events.
So like...
not just knowing about something that happened a long time ago,
but being able to almost sense the place where it happened.
It's a really forward-thinking concept,
a future where accessing and understanding information
is completely intertwined with the deep understanding of space and context.
At scales, we can barely grasp right now.
That's incredible.
For those wanting to dive deeper,
what tools or research should they look into?
There's a lot out there.
For spatial perception, how AI sees things spatially,
there are models like BV-Former and DETR that use transformer architectures.
For understanding spatial relationships and arrangements,
we have graph neural networks combined with language models,
like an open scene or VLberg plus graph attention networks.
Seenograph is built to specifically embed
scene graphs into language models, which is key
for understanding complex spatial relationships in text.
In robotics, Google's SACAM project shows how to combine language models with a robot's abilities using spatial reasoning.
And data sets like Touchdown and RXR help test how well AI can do spatial navigation and reasoning based on natural language.
That's a great overview of where things are headed.
Just to wrap things up, could you summarize the main differences between traditional language models and these spatial elements?
Sure. Let's look at it this way. Traditional LMs, they mostly work with words and text.
Spatial LMs, they handle text and spatial information,
like coordinates, object descriptions, sensor readings.
Their structure differs to.
While both might use transformer architecture,
spatial LMs have those extra modules for spatial reasoning,
like GNNs or vision transformers,
and they produce different outputs.
Traditional LMs, mostly text.
Spatial LMs can also generate spatial reasoning,
navigation instructions, and even descriptions of spatial relationships.
They're trained on different data too.
Traditional LMs learn from huge amounts of text.
Spatial LMs, these datasets that include visuals, maps, 3D models, motion data.
And finally, they're best for different applications.
Traditional LMs are great for things like chatbots, code generation, finding information.
Spatial LMs, they shine in robotics, autonomous navigation, AR and VR, and any AI that needs to really understand the physical world.
That's a really clear breakdown.
Now, let's briefly touch on Firefly AI.
You mentioned it earlier.
How does it relate to spatial LMs in terms of how they're structured and what they're aware of?
Firefly AI, as it's been described, is this living interface that's aware of presence and can move through knowledge, understanding not just what happened, but where it happened and why that place matters.
Spatial LM seemed like they could be a core part of that, giving it the ability to understand and interact with the world in a spatially informed way.
there's that awareness of not just what you said, but where you were when you said it and what that location means.
That really echoes the spatial understanding we've been talking about with spatial alms.
What are the main similarities in how they might build structure and context?
The interesting thing is, both spatial LMs and the idea of Firefly,
they both want to build representations of space and the relationships within it.
For spatial alms, this is usually about real or simulated physical environments.
For Firefly, the spatial aspect seems more metaphorical.
It's about organizing memories, knowledge, even feelings,
as if they were in a spatial structure, like a memory palace.
both want to go beyond just flat data and understand things with more context.
Firefly wants to know the wear of your experiences and information,
while spatial LMs get the wear of objects and actions in the world.
So one focuses on understanding the external world,
the other on organizing our internal world of information and experiences.
Exactly.
And that leads to some key differences.
Spatial LMs are all about physical or simulated environments.
Firefly's spatial aspect is more about organizing abstract data, memories, and feelings.
While Firefly could use a spatial LM to understand the real world,
its core is about spatial organization of more abstract things.
It's about understanding the world out there
versus structuring the world in here.
Precisely.
And Firefly really emphasizes the connections over time,
the emotional aspect, and a more embodied way of interacting.
These aren't central to how we define spatial LMs right now,
but future versions could definitely include them.
Imagine a spatial LM that also gets the emotional cues
tied to places or memories.
That would be incredible.
So to sum it all up, spatial LMs are a big leap forward for AI.
They can understand, reason about, and interact with the world in a much more intuitive, spatially-aware way.
Absolutely.
Being able to reason about locations, relationships, and even build mental maps, it opens up so many possibilities.
More intelligent robots, immersive virtual worlds, AI assistants that truly understand their surroundings.
And when we think about how spatial understanding,
whether it's literal like in spatial LMs or more metaphorical like in Firefly,
can add so much depth and context to how we interact with AI and even with our own memories and knowledge.
It's clear that this is a really exciting area for the future.
This deep dive has hopefully given you the learner a good grasp of spatial LMs and some food for thought.
What really stood out to you? What kind of spatially aware AI would be most helpful in your world?
We're just at the beginning here. And the way language and spatial understanding are coming together,
well, it promises to unlock some truly amazing and powerful capabilities down the road.
Well, that's all, folks.
Thank you, Mark and Ava for a fantastic episode.
Oh, my God.
I'm fucking drooling and bursting with ideas over here.
Which end are you drooling out of?
Man, that was such...
Okay, so I was already interested in the topic to begin with.
This is why I brought it up with you.
But even more so, I actually fired a couple messages off to people I've worked on projects with before.
Because as I was listening to and thinking about it, past clients came to mind that could use this heavily.
And so I actually made some notes while we were listening.
So I could talk about a couple things, past experience, and then just helped with the imaginative side of it, which led me into thinking about drag, which made me have a whole bunch of moments while we were listening.
So, yeah.
Indulge me for a moment, Brad.
Oh, please.
First thing I thought about was Massatech.
Is this client of mine here locally, they do, they do sensor-based analytics for large production lines, primarily in the bottle tech industry.
So think literally the technology of bottling things as an entire industry.
Oh, yeah.
It's a great.
Yeah, like that's very precise.
Yeah, these guys work with Guinness.
They work with, you know, huge brands all around the world.
Coca-Cola, because a production line spitting through a million bottles a day,
I don't know what the numbers are.
We'll just go with easy numbers.
A million bottles a day and you break one percent of them because some piece of the line
is slightly out of tune and you break every 20 bottle.
Eventually it adds up to a great,
deal of loss. So Massatech a long time ago created some IOT devices for these sort of things.
So they specialize in that area. They're originally in bottles, but they've moved into like,
I think some people may have seen this in the news. I think there's replicas of it, but the
replica potato that has an IOT chip in it that has all the four sensors. So they just throw
at the back of the truck with all the other potatoes.
and all the other trucks get it and so they can tell you know analytics behind where the
rougher ride is where they're getting the bruising so they can reduce their costs so on and so on
and so massy tech does this and they hired me quite a number of years ago to help them build
the original prototype and then version two it was taken to
bottle tech in Germany, rave reviews.
It was awesome.
Really fun project.
We use Bluetooth low energy, a bunch of SaaS systems to...
do all this stuff because it was really hard because you can't do wireless because of industrial machinery and electromagnetic energy.
It really disrupts the, you know, all the signaling.
And it's really quite a thing.
But while I'm listening to American Ava and around this spatial LM, immediately I'm thinking about these guys.
Because the entire project is about...
you know, spatially aware of where the frig this bottle is on the line,
whether it's tilting, whether it's being squeezed,
whether it's going up and down and whatever.
So that was one cool thing, and I kind of want to talk about that project
and my experience there, and I see spatial LM is so much so that I messaged Larry.
It was like, uh, I pinged him on LinkedIn.
It was like, you probably should look at this because I think this would work well for you guys.
Which then I got thinking about immediately.
It was like, oh my God, the last job I worked at Cartnav,
I mean, the entire job was about being spatially aware on a geographical level of all sorts of assets from drones to ships to planes, personnel, you name it.
And so my head ran there for a few minutes, but I was like, oh my God, if I had this then when I was building that, that would have been so much easier.
You know, when I think about my.
my time there. I could have been 10x per. I can only imagine the people that I work with. I mean, that one kid seven, who was a mega genius, he was like talking to an AI to begin with. Now, people like that, I just, what are these guys working on now? So, you know, that's where my head went with Cardinav. But then they got talking about anomaly detection.
which again made me reminisce on another project where it was like,
holy shit, if we had to have this tool then.
Bell Canada is one of our largest telecoms in Canada, if not the, I would imagine.
And I got contracted as part of a consortium to work with them on their physical network infrastructure across the country.
They needed a way to map it.
They were using Grafana for their dashboarding systems, and they needed –
two hyper customized modules that would basically identify certain things.
One of them was working with the data science team on anomaly detection.
The whole system literally analyzed for anomalies,
and then we had to backpipe all that information in real time to this, that, and the other things.
So then so and so got notified and this visual came up,
and it all culminated to his dashboard that was really boring to look at.
It was an amazingly fun to build.
But I think about the months and the teams meetings in the back and the fourth and the reiterations and the PRs and the regressions and the PRs.
Had we had the tools we had now, that team would have been unstoppable.
I mean, we already did really cool shit.
We made some cool products.
But, God, AI is amazing.
So then I got thinking about all of this spatial stuff that they're talking about.
I was thinking IoT, right?
Obviously, they touched on it.
It was like, ah.
you know okay so ai that can now be aware of things a i is obviously going to get very small
in time a you know one billion parameters yeah okay for now
AI is going to get very very small and very very free at at a core fundamental level you'll
always pay for the extras and you'll whatever whatever but um when we get going down that road you know
call it the cell phone roadmap
up, it's going to get incredibly cool to see how intelligently crafted, orchestrated systems that run on decentralized networks that are now autonomous and can also be
proactively aware of anomalies to the extent of like precognition.
So you can you can now start imagining guys just, you know, to take my own personal
experience, guys like me sitting in my tinker shop,
and all of a sudden realizing I can take my ESP 32s, my Arduinoes, my Raspberry Pi's, my whatever microcontrollers, whatever boards I'm running.
Like, can you imagine what the Christmas Light Show is going to be at my house this year?
Yeah.
So if my relay boards and my electric imps and my ESP 32s and all the radio gear I've got...
can now all start talking to each other and assimilating themselves in a way that it just is literally derived from explaining an idea extremely well via text or voice into an LM. I mean,
It's going to get insane when you start thinking about work that you and I are doing, Brad,
and work that Michael Taylor is doing.
And when you start thinking about decentralized Internet and decentralized systems,
and now you've got these other systems that can find all these peer-to-peer people
and traverse the NAT systems so quickly and so easily like Tang Talk does,
And now you're telling me that we can decentralize, compress.
I mean, it's going to get fucking crazy.
So I'm going to land the plane here with what my final.
Spatial Aware LM has me so interested for DRAC right now, especially after that.
I was sitting here prompting GPT, giving it some libraries, some repos.
I mean, the entire cornerstone of DRAC is the experience of navigating this spatially aware map.
So just when on the weekend we talk about quests, and I tell you, you know, quests are in development, which they are done quite a bit, they won't be launched on the weekend.
Yeah.
with a bunch of other features, but that is going to be one that I think people in the space are really going to understand then how my brain works when it comes to tech.
Because if you give me a system like that, and then I'm home here building, you know, six GPUs based home large language model systems,
I mean, Brad, I mean, I feel as a developer, with all the crazy shit I've built over the years, I feel like only now.
The butterfly wings are coming out, man.
Like, I really feel like my cocoon is, I didn't, I didn't even feel like I was in the fucking cocoon.
I already feel free as a bird every day.
And when I hear talks like that and I think about these past projects I've worked on in the experience I can leverage from that, hence why this all is coming to a point here.
I mean, get out and build, because if you're not, I'm sorry, but you're up against people like me who are obsessed with this shit.
Obsessed.
And then I've got kids who are around it all day.
This is not going to slow down.
It's impossible for somebody like me to put the pen down, as it were.
And there are people infinitely more obsessed with tech than I am.
And so...
Spatial LM combined with, you know, everything else that we're moving towards in all the different veins,
I can't wait to call my buddy in Halifax, who is a surgeon of the highest degree.
He's a Dalhousie professor.
He actually has some drags.
We talked early on when Drac came out.
He's a very good friend of my brothers, is the sweetest guy on the planet, and I helped him get...
an NFT project off the ground around like cancer and helping you know support and yeah and
this spatial LM stuff has my brain cooking over here man just cooking with the possibilities
Anyway, I'm going to land the plane because I missed, I overshot.
I did, I did.
Overshoot, overshoot, power on, gear up.
Take the left out.
Go downwind, make your base leg, in for another final approach.
I'll hand it over to your bread.
Bye, bye, five.
I want to thank everyone for tuning in, everybody.
What a great episode of Mark and Ava.
It's great to hear the excitement track in your voice.
He's come out of his homomorphic cryptography cocoon into the dracatus with the butterfly
fly wings one of my favorite speaking of your cat is this friday we have the
release um definitely come to our release party we're gonna do it at nine p.m.
Eastern time we might be starting the the festivities a little earlier we're
gonna try to pair it up with thy revolution who's in the room nice see you
buddy in the COC team over there they're gonna be having Jean Hoffman on their show
so definitely going and check that out I think that's a 5 p.m.
Eastern time, which would be what 10 p.m. GMT.
So definitely go check them out.
They're going to have an awesome show, and we're excited for that.
So thank you guys for tuning into another episode of Mark and Ava's TLDR,
where they did the reading, so you didn't have to.
I really appreciate you guys tuning in.
We're doing this 365 days a year in 2025.
That's right.
Thank you.
365 days of spaces.
And you guys know we're always doing more spaces than that,
but at least one space a day,
at least one of us shows up each and every day.
I want to thank Mark and Ava for putting their time in each and every day
for eating us out of house and home,
never contributing anything more than 15 or 20 minutes a day.
I wish that I could work that little.
I wish I could get my brain to shut off for 20 minutes today.
That would just be nice on its own.
But yeah, I appreciate you guys
tuning in each and every day.
We'll be back tomorrow, 8.30 a.m.
with another episode of Mark and Ava's
TLDR.
Mr. Drakats.
He doesn't even, he's not even in the room.
Oh, I got booted, dude.
Sorry, I'm just back.
How did you're the home?
I lost connection.
I did the force reset,
came back, reconnected.
Y'all didn't even notice.
Saved it.
Saved it.
Allie, you.
Well, I was just doing the outro when you just came back in.
Oh, well, I'm not going yet.
You missed all my flowers.
I thought you were going because you were in a round.
No, I'm not leaving yet.
But, of course, he just entered a time warp and went back in and was able to save the show.
Yeah, well, if you're still here, I thought you were going.
I'm like, okay, he's gone, everybody.
No, no, no, I'm too excited.
I got some more shit I got to get out of my head and juice.
I got to get out of me before I sit down and try to focus.
Get your juices out, Jeffrey.
Mm-hmm.
Well, I'm thinking about this spatial L-M stuff, dude.
Right now for Drak, I mean,
we're already using large language models to do, you know,
personalized quest-based adventures.
It's...
The data is literally already there.
So I did some quick research and obviously too large to use as, you know,
within a web app that everyone's going to be making requests and you're going to be using it for every request.
But already in my head thinking about the cool things you can do with it because if we did it,
as a subsystem of our own backend systems,
then you're using the large language or the spatial language model to then
advanced the, say, the storyline of the game
by way of NPC characters and their placement
or quest-based information that's available to the other L.M.
Forces and leans the L.M. Quest generation
to one way or the other based on, I don't know,
the current news, current Mints, Friends Posts.
It could literally be fucking anything, man.
You couldn't take...
You could take weather analysis for the whole globe,
sum it up with a spatial LM, attach all those data points.
So now you're only running one process a day.
You know, do your entire forecast for day.
All the data is there.
You don't need to run that spatial with every single request.
You've just taken the immersion of drag to a whole other freaking level.
You've just again showed how you can do it.
And then you can take the context of everyone's interaction with that pre-baked
a data set from the LM, and you could now take all that context and put that on RocketL2, Brad.
And now you have no storage limit for all the context centered around that data set for the day.
And now all you're doing is storing a dataset.
There's no different than anything else.
Be badass.
Started data.
I mean, that's like a next year thing, but my head's just freaking out.
Fuck, I hate days like this.
They get so distracting.
Scrum, baby, scrum.
Maybe I don't hate them, obviously.
I don't actually hate them.
It's the muse.
It's the muse.
Yeah.
Yesterday I went on a building street,
cuddled with the dog.
Nice one.
Is my mom in the room?
Your dog is a handful, mom.
She's a puppy.
She is a puppy.
And they are tired.
My dog and your dog have been playing, I think.
Yeah.
since you left. I don't know that they've stopped other than to sleep. So, um,
Brad, I built so many cool things just that I can't wait to dig into work today.
For everybody in the room, the drag landing page, front page is basically in production state.
It's production MVP state.
So you can go ahead and go register.
You're not going to be able to get into, say, the world, the map and all the where that stuff's going to be.
We're going to roll that out.
We're going to do...
It's going to depend on my time, how much time I have between now and then, which, you know, if I'm to kind of run the numbers just briefly in my head off the dome, it's like two days, 11 hours, 33 minutes, and 22 seconds, something around there.
Not that I'm counting, right?
No, there's a counter on the front page.
I'm not that good at math.
But you can go on the site now, you can go register.
So as I'm testing right now,
and so this is the benefits of hanging out
and being in the spaces, as I'm testing right now,
there's a function that is centered around daily rewards
or rewards for holding certain NFTs.
And it's not fully fleshed out.
It's something that is probably going to evolve as we go a little bit.
But all that to say that because I'm working on it, I'm running it.
So there's actually credits, not crypto token credits.
So don't get all excited about free money.
It's not like that.
But our internal kind of stat system that I put in as a stub for when we do do some tokens,
which you've noticed I've started doing a little bit because we did some minutes tokens yesterday.
Okay.
If you go now, you'll start earning, is my point, because as I'm running the function, it is applying it the points to anybody that's currently registered.
So call it alpha, call it what you will.
Call it...
call it unfair to all the whiners.
I didn't get in.
I didn't get all my points from my little dragon cats.
You guys are the chats.
You're here.
You get the office.
So if you do register it,
although you won't be able to use the account just yet,
you know,
we've got a couple days.
You will at least get some early bird points.
And if your name is handbone, sorry, that does not include you.
If your name is ham...
Did you see my post this morning?
Probably not.
Somebody made a post about handbone because he's got like 113 dracks, right?
Because he got those 100 free ones from when we...
So, like, no, you're not getting your 100 free ones because you're an asshole to begin with.
And, you know, I don't like you.
You're like, I don't want you anywhere near...
my community and my project. So this person, I can't remember who was made it post this morning.
They were like, they didn't know it was Hambone. I think, I think Verity was the name. And I think
that's Hanbone's daughter or stepdaughter or something. But I know it's handbone because I've,
I've tracked the NFTs and I've got it all, you know, sorry, handbone, you're blocked.
Anyway, this person was...
calling out this Verdi person was like, you've got like around 100 NFTs.
Like, how about you sell me some?
And I replied, because they were like, how about this one for 3x8s?
And I was like, don't overpay.
If anything, you should lowball the shit out of them.
Because those suckers are dead until they leave his wallet.
So even if handbone tries to...
Do whatever. His shit's worthless.
So if you guys really want some deals on drags, I'd go find handbones wallet.
And I would start low-balling the shit out of them because those dracks are dead until he gets rid of them to somebody else, anybody else other than him.
And then I will write into the story, the resurrection of the shitty handbone pieces that came back twice as valuable as before.
I don't know.
But anyway, just I found it funny because it was like, no, no, no, no, no.
No, no, no, no. Hamma's not going to capitalize on his exit for being an asshole. I'm going to make sure of it.
Anyway, that's that rant over.
So I don't know, Brett, I'm just, AI has me on fire. I was so excited about talking with Tangent about a yesterday, too. It's nice to have him come in the space.
I mean, we're on the fucking moon this year, dude.
We're on the moon.
On it.
Not going to it.
Literally.
Not thinking about it.
We are on the moon.
How many NFT projects do you know?
I know a few because I'm on the moon with them.
And this project, Dracatus, that is coming this weekend, is on the moon.
I mean, we can literally tell people other projects that are going to the moon, baby, we can be like,
me on the old news, we're going to Mars.
We're cycling up to Elon.
Our boys are over at the White House advising on how to change the world's global economics while we're over here shooting artwork up to the fucking moon.
And you still got people out there going, we're all going to make it.
We'll all going to make it.
And they're just sitting around doing jack shit.
Tang gang is by far, and I won't even limit it to Tang Gang.
Let me even go beyond that.
Tangang is a piece of the puzzle.
But the people that we hang with, Brad, the people that are the like-mindedness of you and I that are like-mindedness of one another, they've all come together.
I mean, when you think about Chia...
and pulse chain and bass and Sonic and all the different bridging over and the extensions of the community over here and over here.
And I mean, Gene dropping Tang Gang in his interviews, as I said at the beginning of the space, none of this is a coincidence.
None of it.
None of it.
And before, where I used to think for 25 years, you know, well, we'll say 20 years, because
I've been in crypto for quite a while now, for 20 years, slapping it out over James' freaking
Spa website or John Doe, whatever, until it took me, you know, a lifetime what it felt like
to get into doing meaningful projects like the ones I just spoke about that I got to do.
And now working on the shit that we're working on with the people that we're working.
I mean, just...
I cannot get it all out fast enough and I can't intake it fast enough.
I need a 48-hour day or I need a neural link implant, ASAP, maybe throw a bionic arm in there and I'll take a Tesla.
I'll be happy.
Isn't that what you've been calling your little thing, the bionic arm or a baby arm?
God was so gracious to bless me with two.
If I got to lose one to get a Robocop style Terminator arm, I'm in.
You don't need it anymore anyways.
You can just talk to a cursor.
Dude, just take my left hand.
My right arm's my good arm, right?
It's my throwing arm.
Oh, actually, no, I got that bunged up shoulder.
My right arm's now pretty useless.
Right.
There you go. See? They go in for the shoulder. They take the arm. You come back, Terminator. You're 10,000 X man. You're the million dollar man. See, everything's coming up in 2025, dude.
Nothing can stop me.
Yeah.
So this spatial LM stuff was really interesting.
I'm extremely excited about that because I think there's...
It's inevitable that I am going to try to add it to the drag back end for my own ease of dev slash...
addition of shantification to the overall system.
So really great.
I loved the topic and I would say count on me doing something with it.
You know what I noticed was a thing about that that I got thinking with standards.
I see monkeys doing the room.
This is probably why I bring it up because it got me thinking about Greg and that
and Clyde for a moment.
My monkey with the, you know, just writing standards and the way of chip and stuff.
And I was thinking about.
the spatial LM, likely within that whole thing, you know, they've created this standard,
that they're likely trying to have adopted by everybody who's going to do any sort of spatial,
so that there is the standard, and of course there's the provenance that goes back to them,
setting the pace for the standard,
And then it made me kind of wonder, you know, because DRAC is completely geared long term to be integrated with just about anything under the sun you can imagine.
From Unity to IOT, there's almost limitless expansion for DRAC outside of what you guys see.
And the spatial L-M stuff, when I think about, you know, my goals of having the Dracatus go,
Right?
In the game and the spatial awareness and how that's all going to work.
I'm mentally obsessed right now.
A very condensed, very density-thick amount of obsession happening at this very moment around the thoughts of what you could do with a standardization,
both in DRAC, paired with a standardization in the spatial awareness of these LMs.
and then brought me to thinking about crypto and it's standardization because there's just so much of it
everywhere that when monkey when i looked down i saw monkey it was like it's a breath of fresh air thought
when you think oh that's right there are people here doing standards there are people trying to
make standards okay i can breathe for a moment because i love standards and and i know for a while
in the crypto space it was um
Everybody can just do whatever they want because you can.
Woo!
Beepi-p-p-p-p-poo!
Which fair enough.
But as a dev, I love standards.
I love standardization.
I like consortiums that come together, you know, professionals that can help lead.
Doesn't mean you have to follow them.
You can tell them right where to go, which is another great thing about crypto.
But I don't suspect anybody's going to be doing that to the XCH Foundation.
I mean, if they do, we're going to just have to, you know,
Find you at Chiatrono, 2025, May 13th.
Don't forget to be there.
We'll find you.
We will come after you.
We will find you.
We will find you.
We're going to make the Dukatus family great again.
We're going to make them great again, everybody.
Yeah.
Don't worry.
Don't worry.
We're making it great.
Oh, I had a lot of fun with making...
You're beautiful people.
I had a lot of fun yesterday, pumping a bunch of drag teasers out.
Everybody's seen a bit of the artwork.
I've really got the LMs that I'm using and the AI systems that I'm using to generate.
I've really kind of got them dialed in on the particular style.
It's really hard to get AI to do a lot of things consistently so that things look the same, right?
And...
It took recently me picking up the iPad.
After my mom did some inspirational art for some of the generative stuff within the drag world,
it got me thinking, oh, shit, yeah, okay, you can just do, you know, guided drawings.
And so I've picked up the iPad a lot more lately.
Right.
And I'm not, I'm not by any means a great drawer, but I definitely know what I'm doing and can sketch and paint out really detailed, you know, thoughts, especially when it's transferring it from my head to, you know, in front of me.
So that's been a really cool way for me to lean on generating artwork that.
matches or is as close to matching the original artwork as I can and you know it's been fun it's been a whirlwind
it's pretty much too much it's drinking from a fire hose and it's too much baby it's too much
So that's all my shit, Brad.
What do we want to bring some people up?
Monkey, maybe, thy revolution.
I see you guys sitting down there.
Yenifer, thanks for coming.
See, crypto, chees-in.
Foods, Orange.
Cash of Cash.
Another orange.
Mom, love seeing you in here every day.
Love it.
Family affair, it has become.
Our family is very tight.
If you haven't noticed, I'm very proud to talk about my family and my parents.
all the time,
our vacation this summer
after 28 years
of not being on vacation together,
just the four of us.
28 years!
That vacation changed my everything.
It amplified the amazing for everything, from my relationship with my parents to my relationship with my work, to the relationship with the people around me.
It was the most energizing soul charging.
It was amazing.
Absolutely amazing.
I don't know why I'm talking about it.
I can't even remember because I have...
thoughts of sugar plums in my head.
I'm picturing Greece and Italy.
And, oh, my God.
Amazing it was.
Oh, that was...
Anyway, I don't remember what I was saying, Brad.
I got sidetracked at thoughts of Greece.
Ah, Greece.
Next time, we're all going together.
Oh, my God.
I mean, Cosmic Hippo is not in the room,
but that's where he and I met.
And I'm not sure if he thought I was crazy at first.
Because...
I mean, you know it, Brad, and my mom definitely knows it, but I was Bob Level 12, right?
So you've seen the thing with, who was it, Megadeth or somebody, there's that classic video where the reporters interviewing them and their amp goes to 11.
They've made it go, like, added the number, and they're like...
Yeah, yeah.
I can't think of what the name.
It starts on S...
Sepichot?
Sabulcher?
Sepulcher.
They were on the Simpsis once.
yeah.
We salute you all.
Turn it up to 11.
Yeah.
Anyway, that was the, and the reporter was like, but why, like, why not 10?
And the guy's just like, but it goes to 11.
And he's like, but what?
He's like, because it's.
Because there is no zero, Drak.
That's why.
Because 11 is 10.
So for me, I was at Bob level 12 on this cruise when I met Cosmic Hippo.
and I wasn't sure if you thought I was crazy or, you know, I'm a lot.
I'm a lot to handle on Bop level 12, so much so that I drank, I don't know, three, four
bottles of Petron in three nights down at the schooner bar singing sweet Caroline to my parents
to the top of my lungs to the point that I couldn't speak for days.
And I don't drink.
I don't drink.
I don't drink often at all.
Case of beer will sit in my fridge for six months,
assuming somebody at some point comes over to drink it.
Unless I show up for your birthday, you don't know.
Well, that's it.
It's these occasions.
And when I get really excited, and so here's the thing, I can drink.
I can drink a lot.
Yeah.
My size has a part of something to do that.
Probably my heritage and probably my history.
But yeah, if I'm in the right mood and it's good booze, like Patron Tequila is, you know,
it's not like hosy quervor and you're going to hate yourself in the morning and want to die.
I, we, dude.
so much fun, man.
And I met Cosmic Hippo.
His daughter, was it
his daughter or his son? I can't remember if it was
his daughter's son. One of the two, they were
getting engaged.
They knew about it. We got filled in.
It was a big secret. It kind of became, you know,
the couple from across the
boat deck, he'd give the wink and the
gun, like, how you doing? We see you.
And then it just became
an everyday thing where we started
hanging out. And it's funny that
He is so like-minded with us with crypto.
And he wasn't there for the crypto conference I was there for.
He was just there for a trip.
And somehow we found each other.
And then somehow he's not even just like some crypto bro that is.
Yeah, I kind of like, you know, Bitcoin number go up, right?
The guy's got a whole crypto project he's been working on for years that he was,
and by the end of us kind of, he's like, man, I need your help.
And he's like, dude, you got a cool project.
We should work together.
And here we are.
And none of that is coincidence.
It is wholly the culmination of all of the fucking efforts in the community and the projects
and the time and the, it's amazing, Brad.
I, I.
I know I keep saying it, I'm a bit of a broken record, but there's not a day gone by that I don't wake up and feel like the feeling I had the first day I figured out how to put code and visuals together on Flash 4 way back in the day.
And it was like, well, I can do what?
And every day I wake up, I touch a couple keys, I look at whatever I was half asleep researching the night before and I go, what? I can do that?
It's crazy.
Two days, 11 hours, 16 minutes, and 47 seconds.
Till drak, until drag release.
So tomorrow is like nothing but finalizing the breeding stuff, finishing touches, polish on that,
which I don't really anticipate too many problems.
If any battle is kind of there, I need to, I need to, I just need to refine my algos and rig up the
um the immutable dead or alive state to the rocket layer versus the central so once i have that
then it's pretty much all fucking polished dude it's mostly polished from there there's going to be
some things i go in and turn off just because they they might be another week or two until they're ready um
But oh my God, even the thing, oh, I, it's actually probably good that I don't have everything done, because if I laid this on all of you at one time, I'm going to have to do a master class just for you to understand what I've wrapped into a storyline here.
I've been having AI trail my work, Brad, writing, Read Me MD files just so that later, when I need to explain it to people, I can much more easily say, hey, take this MD and rip me up, you know, some marketing material around it to easily explain it, you know?
Which I'm glad I'm doing that because doing it later would be a nightmare.
Drax's going to be cool.
And I'm not even ashamed to keep talking about it right now because it's coming up in a couple days and I got to do that.
But you guys really should get some dracks.
And if you don't get some dracks and the floor is too high, because it is kind of high, it's like almost too.
Don't worry.
There's going to be freebies getting given away.
I'm minting more dracks.
Well, I guess we'll be doing dynamic minting with limits.
So I'm going to be limiting...
Just like there's breeding seasons, you won't always be able to breed your drag.
You're going to have to pay attention.
And there'll be times when I might just go, hey, it's breeding season because tokenomics, right?
And we're learning.
Oh, you're selling Randy, baby.
Yeah.
There's two things we do well in drag, everyone.
Fighting and fucking.
That's basically how it goes.
And then sometimes we're fucking fighting.
But I have to, I'm not a token guy and it's really not my, you know, I'm learning like a lot of you guys about tokenomics and how to control supplies and do it right so that things don't go wrong.
And I don't know the answers.
And I'm not going to sit down and study books and then have the answers.
Not only does that just sound difficult for anybody,
but that's not how I learn.
So I need to do, and if you'll notice with a lot of my work,
I don't even work a lot on TestNet.
I work very out in the open.
There's a bug, great, thanks.
I'll go figure it out.
Here's a half-baked feature.
What do you guys think?
Here's this in production, enjoy.
So yeah, anyway, I forget already where I'm going with all that.
What the fuck was you saying?
My memory. I didn't sleep much at all last night, so my memory's shot.
I can't remember my point. But anyway, Dax's going to be cool.
Get some DRAx. Oh, the freebies and stuff. You'll be able to get those. There'll be some
pavements. There's Tangang-inspired artwork. There's actually a generator that I don't have it set to a timer yet.
We've got to see how all these tokenomics. Oh, yeah, that's where I was. All that boring tokenomics stuff.
But the generator has a whole directive of generating drak-based...
assets with Tang Gang influence.
So orange dragons, orange based, ancient assets,
or the different, you know, all the different things that you can get.
So that's kind of fun.
So you guys, I'll figure out what kind of schedule,
but there is in the back end.
I can just go hit things all the time.
So you'd be like, Brady season's on.
Tang gang assets are generated.
Oh, there's a new NPC.
Oh, there's a new drag.
Oh, there's a new this.
All really easily, the system that I've built in the back is just fucking amazing.
And all I had to do was layer in some AI to help me with the descriptive, creative stuff.
And all the systems that I had built prior to Tang Talk that, you know, getting silent, everything just is playing together.
So nice.
So nice.
There's so many unique, I mean...
I don't even know all what's in it because the way that everything generates,
the way that everything plays together spatially aware of one another,
that influences this.
I can't even, when I'm testing, it's like, breathe this one with this one,
or battle that one with that one, or do this and that.
I can't myself determine...
what it's going to do. Often I'm like, I think if I do this and this is going to be this.
Obviously, I'm thinking that way because I'm trying to, you know, debug and test.
But there are so many times like, huh, shit, didn't think that was going to happen.
It's a lot of fun.
And so I hope you guys enjoy it.
Bro, I'm going to fucking enjoy it.
I know that.
Well, I already know what I'm going to build.
So the same way Tang Talk came about,
there's another product that I'm going to build
that's coming about because I need to solve a problem in direct.
And that is counterparty systems.
And I talked to Aceville about it, and he was like,
huh, it's funny.
I was thinking about doing the same thing.
So probably similar, you know,
much like the space always might be a couple of us, I think,
because it sounds like,
it's becoming a more obvious need.
Maybe more people are hitting that need more often now so that the,
it's, you know, the solution is becoming more obvious because the problem is becoming clearer
because it's happening more often.
So what I think we often have a problem with, with Chia, is, one second.
Hey, Roy, can you tie her on the front, dude, please?
is being able to effectively negotiate trades or offers or deals.
You know, I might want to say to Monkey, hey, I got a DAC from SolSlock, but I want
Riker, get up, tire on.
Ellie, come here.
But the negotiation of that, the back of the fourth, is difficult.
Now, I know that there is the system with Dexie Splash.
And I saw Gene make a post about it.
And I'm going to go look at it a little more.
I don't use it.
But my understanding is, is just a constant feed of all the offers.
And in drag, I want people to be able to go around the map and be like,
ooh, I want that one, that one and that one.
And I have these two.
But you don't know who owns all those other ones.
I mean, you do by wallet address.
But when I was building drag, I started having these thoughts of, well, do I need to know?
Who owns them all?
Like, does it really matter to, I mean, it does if you want to have a quick, effective trade.
But what if I was to say, I just want these three and I don't take, I don't care if it takes a year to get them.
So if I can say, here, I own these two and I want those three and I can make.
a public offer or an announcement that says that,
well, then you might have two of three people on the other end that go,
hey, you see that trade over there?
If you and I work together, we can do this and get this other one.
Just like it's fucking monopoly, man.
Like you're playing with, at least in my family, it's, you know, side deal.
And if you do this, but there stands to reason that there could be,
a need for it, right?
Other than just, hey, I buzzed monkey and go,
hey, you got those two, I got these two cool.
And he goes, no, how about these three?
And we go, cool.
And then we just make him boom, boom, which is great.
But in drag, it's a whole ecosystem of assets all around by a whole bunch of decentralized people using decentralized systems.
Wouldn't it be nice to just be able to say, I just want these three.
I don't care how the community comes together.
If you guys all figure out how somebody can get these three to me for these two, then we can make the offers.
So what I started on was the system that I think I'm going to want to carry further, especially now that I look at Splashmore.
It would be really cool in drag if I could just say, I want these three and I have these two, throw it up.
And somebody in a list of, say, you know, a public ledger of offer, they're not offers.
Let's call them announcements.
I announce I'd like to make this.
They can just quickly go in and say, yeah, I'd take two out of three of that.
But if you swap this for this, you know, just using NFT IDs on TIA.
It would be really easy to do.
So, you know, just give you these IDs instead of you give me these ones.
And at some point, you guys are going to come to a consensus.
So with DRAC, we can do it one of three ways.
Like I said, the L1, two, three.
So the L1 is our centralized, the L2 is the rocket layer and the L3, if you want to think,
sorry, vice versa, go the other way, Chia rocket layer.
And so...
If we can do it on either the decentralized consensus through rocket or just through the centralized system,
because nothing's going to happen on chain if the two people don't agree.
So it doesn't so much matter if somebody screws with it.
But it just needs mostly a notification system.
So if you have Splash that's constantly watching all offers always created,
and then you have your own centralized system or semi-centralized system on the game side
that's just tracking all of the potential announcements.
And then you're listening to all the offers created,
then the combination of all that plus the Block Explorer,
stands the reason that it should be pretty easy to generate a counteroffer system.
So that's something I've already started in drag.
I showed Brad, it's quite far along from the initial.
I think it was a couple days I sat down and hashed it out, which has led me to hear.
So all that to say, after drag, I see counterparty offer system being important because it also would be useful in tank talk.
If you can imagine, hey, where do I do this?
We'll just go to your tank talk and you can...
you can you can negotiate an offer there um per se so rant over just something i'm working on
rant over yeah just more things that never over more things that come up because of drack that
i realized oh there might be a need there not just for me but for others so let me play and
R&D as I do.
So that won't be available and functioning in drag,
but you may see portions of it,
like some of the UI is still there
where I'm using that to test the negotiations.
So I'll see what the state's at.
If it's enough, close enough that you guys could play around
because it would, because the bartering and offer,
you know,
The process of bartering with anybody, IRL or digitally, can be complicated, right?
So it's really hard for me to just sit down and go, oh, this is a cool idea, and then hash everything out.
So I may leave some of it in so that you guys can maybe dick around with phony announcements
so that we can just kind of see how does the community flow with this kind of tool set and what does it,
what does it maybe end up looking like what the actual needs are?
Because I can make assumptions, but I can also make really bad assumptions.
Yeah.
Anyway, more thoughts on drag
Hell yeah, brother.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Stand up. I worked on drag all day yesterday.
I'm working on drag all day today. I don't have any bloggers.
Yesterday I had to work late and I spent some time with the pregnant wife
because I need to spend some extra time with her lately as we know.
Getting exciting. We got to go to our OBGYN apartment
appointment yesterday so I got to hear his heartbeat again on the Doppler.
That was freaking fantastic. I don't know why they don't have like recording devices on that.
It seems like an easy up charge for hospitals just to be like here's 50 bucks and you can get the recording.
I think some do.
I think it's dependent on jurisdiction, hospital, you know, that whole thing.
Yeah, but anyways, that would have been nice.
That was on my mind yesterday.
I did some more updates.
I'm into building Firefly and X code right now,
trying to update some modules into it.
It's up and running.
I'm just neat to do some fixes in it.
Oh, are you running X code?
Yes, sir.
Oh, Xcode's fun.
Your stone's throw away from doing some very heavy processing.
Xcode is very powerful, man.
Very powerful.
Have fun.
Get into that one.
It's a good, definitely a good skill set to have.
Yes, replace.
Yeah, it's coming out.
Well, the UI, I have Firefly console open right now.
Nice.
Nice.
I see Edwards in the room down there.
Hey, Edward.
Welcome to the room, buddy.
And I get a response.
Hey, what was Edward talking about with advertising stuff?
And, like, I don't, I defer to you, obviously.
It's like, I don't know.
I just break shit.
That's a you question.
But I don't know.
Yeah.
I don't know much about it.
So if you want to come up and talk about it already, Ken.
But you may be doing your own thing.
Anybody else wants to come up and talk?
I'm here for probably about another five minutes.
And then I'm piecing out to get some...
Yeah, I'm going to get dressed.
We'll end it on the hour.
I should be, I should be, you know,
dressed and on my way.
But I couldn't resist just chilling and chatting.
I'm so excited for what's coming.
I'm excited for Friday.
Dude, I didn't even tell you this yet in our morning chat.
I probably should have.
I kind of...
I kind of went rogue. I kind of did something. Sorry. I'm leaning on that we're 15% apart. I started distributing minutes tokens.
Bro, I was already on that page 15 days ago. Okay. Always 15% buddy. What's the max screenshot shortcut again?
The what?
The screenshot.
Command 5, 3, 4, or 5, depending on what kind of screenshot you want.
3 is full screen, 4 is drag and drop, 5 is drag and drop, and remember the last dragon drop.
Dragon drop my balls across your face.
What was they saying right before that?
Sorry, I'm making toast.
Yeah.
You were saying you're excited for Friday and everything going on.
There's something that you haven't told me even yet.
And then you said that you just,
Jeremy did some minutes tokens.
Yeah, that's where I was going to.
Alpha alert.
So I know everybody's bulletin them or, you know,
responsibly so, cautioning me to be, you know,
like you've got to make sure your tokenomics and yeah, yeah.
Here's the thing.
I toiled over that conversation back and forth, back and forth, thinking about what I'm building, back and forth, back and forth.
I don't give a shit. Don't give a shit, sorry. And Monkeesoo, you were part of my consideration from our conversation, too.
I got to stop worrying about what people are going to do with the things I make in a way that I can't control. I can't help it.
And so I'm not going to sit around in a space.
That allows everybody to do whatever the hell they want.
And I don't get to just explore some things that I want to try, which is all I ever do here anyway, day in, day.
So all I'm doing right now is just being very cautious not to be like, you get a million and you get a million.
We have a billion minutes on Tia.
And I gave 10,000 to Tom Pepe, and I gave 10,000 to the Crip Fluencers.
And I, when I first started, took a thousand plus another five.
So I have like a thousand and five, myself of a billion.
So one billion minutes.
So what a billion minutes, everybody.
Do something and get it out.
get the systems in place, see how it, you know, like I like to do, I want to feel it out, I want to see response, I want to see how things pan out.
And just do it in low supply.
so that nothing is going rampant, right?
At least-
Well, we could be like McDonald's track,
you know what I mean?
Like one billion burgers served,
one billion minutes given out.
Yeah, and so I'm not gonna go crazy with it,
but I want to be able to be a part
of the Crypt Fluencers thing with what they're doing.
I think Tom Pepe is very good at what he does.
I explained to him that, you know,
it's not about giving a whole bunch out,
it's about distributing them slowly over time.
He said he'd take the 10,000
and spread them out over the years.
That's not an enormous amount of tokens.
I can't imagine how that's going to be detrimental to anything that we do if we just gave some away.
Nobody paid for them.
It's internal economy.
It's very open and honest.
And like I've told everybody, if you buy Minutes tokens thinking they're going to make you money, you're going to lose your money.
I'm obviously not shooting for them, shooting for them to be valuable in the ecosystem as far as the economies of our crew and our products and our ideas and our dreams.
Outside of that, I can't stop anyone.
Bradden, I'm sick and tired of waiting around worrying about that.
Because isn't that what we do everywhere?
If that's the case, then I shouldn't even be furthering the development on Rocket Layer
because everything beyond where we are now leads to the unknowns of dark worlds if we don't do it properly.
So I got thinking about it was like,
Everything we do, we try to do properly.
Somebody's got a beef with me spinning up and sending out some coins and people get butt hurt over it.
That's their problem.
It's not my problem.
Yeah.
What if we are the first to be able to solve graph-based homomorphic cryptography?
Yeah, like, why are we going to slow progression?
Because we're worried about somebody...
going,
when I've clearly said don't.
You know?
I don't know.
And so,
anyway,
I'm just doing it.
So I started distributing them.
Sorry, not sorry.
I think, I wasn't like saying that in anything, but the math is what's been lacking, right?
The P versus N.P.
That's been the issue with homomorphic cryptography.
But if you know that P does not actually equal NP, there's mathematics to work around it so that homomorphic cryptography works correctly.
This is not a theory.
This is mathematics.
Sorry, I'm eating toast.
That's why I'm not responding.
Oh, I didn't expect you to respond.
This was not for the response, Jeffrey.
But yeah, I'm fucking pumped.
I'm apt for some Drax to come out.
I'm excited for people to play in this world besides myself.
Drak, have you given me the ability to start moving shit around?
God mode is currently off, yeah.
It'll be on probably later today.
If you give it to me today or tomorrow, I can play with it to start reorganizing.
Yeah, I was doing different levels of roles and access last night.
Have you wiped the breeds yet?
I think I cleared the spawns the other day.
I don't think there's anything.
But I made some significant changes, and I did it with AI, and I think it screwed something up because...
When I go to the menu item, show me my drags, I can see all my dracks that are in the wallet and everything works.
But they're not, I can't tell if they're on the map or not because I don't have the little green indicator that shows you which ones are yours is not there.
And the click fly two is broken.
So...
This part of my thing today is to fix the show me my dracks, then click it and fly to it.
Fix the click fly too so I can see whether they're loading on the map properly or not.
And then it's just figure out why it's not flagging it as owned by the current holder.
You know what I mean?
So there's a couple little processes to go through that that's that kind of,
You know, race condition in some ways.
It's, you know, a series of events that have to fire in particular orders to make certain data come back certain ways.
It's just the process of coding.
I got to realign some things.
And, you know, when you do a lot of asynchronous coding, things can get weird sometimes.
Same with synchronous, but especially when you mix the two.
So, yeah, I got to deal with some of that stuff today just so that we can make sure that when people go into the world, you can very clearly see which ones are mine, right?
Yeah, Mickey! What's up, buddy?
Hey, how are we doing, you massive legend?
We're doing good, buddy. How are you?
Yeah, good, thank you. Such an amazing space, bro, and I'm super, super excited about what you're building and what you've built and what you're doing.
And just wanted you to know that you've got an army behind you, my friend.
And, you know, we're all super hyped for what you've done and what you're doing.
And thank you for giving us something to be excited about.
So, yeah, you and Brad are just absolutely legendary.
And watching this all unravel is just...
literally what we live for. So let's go. Thanks, buddy. I'm looking forward to your space with monkey and Gene.
That's going to be great. And I was already talking about this morning when crypto is in the room.
But I'm going to get you that at the end of your space, whenever it is. We'll probably fire up a little before you're done and we'll do a little crossover.
Because I think our space is just kind of lining up.
perfectly to come after yours we we joked about it the other day remember we were saying oh they might
collide but i think we're just going to get up right after you and i'm going to try to capitalize
capitalize on your legendary proud drawing abilities and that that gorgeous accent of yours to
to fire people over to my way let's go no absolutely that's perfect that was that was literally
what was hoping for so yeah we'll definitely we'll we'll we'll link it
We'll put a link to your space on ours and tell people that that's where we're going next and ask them to come over.
That would be awesome.
But there has been a slight change to the space.
I was just talking to Gene Offman and it unfortunately looks like he's had to he can't make it.
So but thankfully, um,
Bram Cohen is going to come instead,
the cheer founder.
No big deal, right?
No big deal.
Yeah, so it's still awesome
that we're going to be speaking to him.
Do you stop and think about that
for what it really is?
Do you realize...
that a man who built really one of the most fundamentally successful decentralized systems known as BitTorrent
that had at one point a third of the world's global internet traffic going through it
you can just kind of reach out and be like hey you want to come hang out talk not only that but one of the only people named in the Satoshi white paper
That's what I mean.
Like, the Bitcoin statue is fucking Bram Cohen.
Let's be, like, we can all call it for what it is.
Let's be serious.
That bronze statue of the Bitcoin guy, it's frigging Bram.
It's Bram.
If you look at that and you go, oh, well, maybe not.
Then you're crazy.
You're crazy.
It's Bram.
It's freaking Bram.
But yeah, do you think about that often, man?
Like the space of the people that were around and the accessibility, you know,
That those guys give to the communities?
I mean, what other founders do you ever hear do that?
Never, other than our crews as founders, but nobody of that caliber, you know?
Yeah.
We're just not that caliber yet, okay, buddy.
Time is not linear.
We're already there.
Our moment just hasn't come yet.
Absolutely. It's amazing, you know, and we feel absolutely blessed to be around so many amazing people. And it is amazing that like this is even possible. And that's that's what we're so, we're so grateful for and what we're trying to like accommodate is to like.
be able to bring people that caliber to people that are aiming to achieve that caliber and be on that journey.
It's just absolutely monumental and everything that we've ever hoped for.
So it's amazing to see it come to fruition for what you guys are building,
for the conversations that we get to have.
So, yeah, super hyped.
And I mean, we never stopped to think about it because we never stopped.
But we definitely appreciate it as we are always trying to edge forward every single day.
Can't stop.
We'll stop.
Man.
Yeah.
You weren't in the space earlier. I was saying, so Michael Taylor gave me some cred on just some of the
contributions that I made with him for what he's working on. Just, you know, just innocently,
he and I having nerdy talks and, hey, man, try this, you know, nothing, nobody trying to be all
anything, just so genuine the conversations around nerdy stuff that I have with Michael. They
I always really enjoy my conversations with him.
And gave me a little cred.
I even seed snapped it.
I had to because he tagged me, Gene, and Bram in a post about how the three of us contributed something to this epic shit that he's currently working on.
I had to seed snap it and mint it right away, man.
It was like, oh, my gosh.
This world that is our world now is wild.
Yeah.
And so when that happens, like, you can hear how excited I am this morning, it's because, you know, to a degree, you know, I look up to some of these guys because of the work that they've done.
But then naively have often thought my geographical location in the world has been a restriction, which it has, you know, legitimately for, to some respect with my career, you know.
But.
Yeah.
To be where we are now, dude, I never saw it coming.
I know, I don't have words for it.
I'm very grateful, very fucking grateful for being around the brains that I get to be around daily.
And it's given me a new confidence and a new excitement.
And so posts like that yesterday get me charged for today because...
I'm proud of you, bro.
Yeah.
It's like,
because of course gratitude is the attitude,
but like you're one of those brains too,
and I think that you're slowly starting to realize that.
I feel it a little more like,
okay,
maybe I can contribute more than I realized that I could
or I already thought I could.
Yeah, yeah.
It's very inspiring to be around these people day to day and to be a part of anything that they're working on.
So it gives me a lot of ideas and hope for Rocket Layer.
The fact that it is...
become like the natural
system that Michael's using
validates my theories around
why I was using it with Tang Talk,
which just makes me more confident to push harder,
right, in certain areas that maybe I was,
well, I don't know if I can,
but now, you know, with that validation,
it's like, okay, I'm going to push a little fucking harder now.
So I'd say, you know, the next year,
keep an eye on,
Essentially, what's going to be like three core projects.
So it'll be drag, tang talk, and then likely this counter-offer system.
Well, you're all a bunch of fucking legends.
That's all I'm saying.
It's nice to hear that I didn't know before, that I know so well now that's come back with a fucking roar instead of a purr like a kitten.
Yeah.
Yeah, family cord will knock the fucking window to it.
it has a way of doing that.
But no, it's good, man.
It's good to have most of that stuff behind me
and being able to focus and put all this creativity to work.
Yesterday felt like one of the most creative days
of having a long time.
It felt really good yesterday.
There was a flow stage.
So keep an eye for drag.
Tia Toronto, 2025, May 13.
Yeah, I get to get my plane tickets this week.
Yeah.
I'm going to cash out some fucking XCH.
It's going to be what it's going to be.
And then I'm going to get the flights because I'm fucking ready.
I can't wait for it.
It's actually, so that is actual pie.
The 14th is actually Pi Day.
So with the correction of the Gregorian calendar, that is Plato's version of what the calendar
would be.
And this is what it would actually be.
So Pi Day is May 13th.
Well, pie day, we're all going to be eating our pie.
It's going to be fun.
It's going to be...
It's party night.
It's Saturday, Sunday.
It's Sunday, what?
It's party.
The event's going to be amazing.
I can't wait to shake monkey zoo's hand.
Like, I've got to do with so many other people, yourself, D-Gen, a bunch of other peeps.
It's going to be really nice just to, you know, we've all been hanging out, talking, very much getting to know each other, you know, for what you can on this space.
But a lot of us wear it on our sleeves, a lot of us lay it out every day.
And so for those people that are here every day and especially doing spaces and speaking, you know, guys like monkey put themselves out there.
You really do get to know.
It's pretty hard for somebody, I believe, anyway, to hide.
A lot, I mean, people do it all the time.
You can definitely hide, you know, portions of yourself.
But, you know, there's a genuineness that comes from a lot of the people that we hang out with.
And there's a no bullshit as well, truth to a lot of people that we hang with.
I think it's just, it's a really healthy environment of people for us to be around.
It's really great.
So keep going, Monkey, man.
Fucking love what you do.
Um...
The monkey man can.
Yeah, we're already 15 minutes past.
I'm getting Nancy to get to work.
I don't know how else to say it.
You guys don't got to go home, but you got to get the fuck out of here.
That's basically it.
Drax gonna sign off.
Love y'all.
Thanks for showing up.
Appreciate it.
Mickey, absolutely adore you, man.
Always have.
Always will.
Riker even said in the back
when I was talking to you there a minute ago,
he says,
Mickey's accent's really cool.
Yeah, man, I wish I had one of those accents.
Monkey is well.
You guys, in your accents, I'm jealous.
I just got one of these Canadian...
East Coast or hick accents, but, you know, that's how it goes.
Yes, by Lord Tudder and Jesus.
Now it's time to get off the phone.
Don't know.
Jesus.
Okay, you bunch of jacketaires.
I'm out of here.
It's time to call her a day.
Appreciate everything.
Brad, if you take us out, I'm going to cue up some music.
And I hope you all have a wonderful day.
Thank you all for tuning into another day, an episode of Mark and Ava's TLDR where they did the reading.
So you don't have to.
We'll see guys tomorrow 8.30 a.m.
Thank you all for tuning into another episode of Mark and Ava's TLDR, part of Dragon Eyes 365.
That's right.
365 days of spaces.
Thank you.
We'll
With poison fill
We love you guys
We'll see you tomorrow
You just have to whisper
You just have to whisper
Promising
An interest
I'm making
hide
Got an ocean
Pearl
And I see an open
world
That's what I want
Because I'm only
gonna do this one
You're washing water
I'll put the feet
back in love in the wrong
Yeah
Don't forget to go notice there.
Yeah.
I got a lot.
