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Tokenized AI's. Let's discuss. 5k giveaway
Recorded: Nov. 24, 2024 Duration: 2:39:36Space Recording
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Hey everybody, just give me a second while I set up the space and get the hoots from
the space and get the hoots from the space.
I'm just going to show you how to do it.
It's just a little bit more.
I'm going to show you how to do it.
I'm going to show you how to do it.
I'm going to show you how to do it.
All right, I have sent invites to Agent Zero.
Okay, cool.
We got that co-host.
And I sent an invite to the other guy, but I don't see him.
All right.
Can you guys hear me?
Give me a thumbs up or something or crying face.
I'm upset face emojis.
All right, I see one.
Cool.
I can't unmute.
Let's see if we can unmute you.
I might be able to rejoin.
Yeah.
Rejoin.
Oh, wait.
It's working.
I think it's working.
Oh, there we go.
I think it was a pebcac.
You heard of that one?
Pebcac?
Pebcac.
Any programmers out there?
Maybe it's just like an old acronym.
The problem exists between the keyboard and...
No, sorry.
Between the...
I forget what it is.
But basically, like the problem exists between the keyboard and the something,
implying that it's a human error.
Pebcac.
I used to work at a help desk and we'd like...
A computer help desk at my university.
People call up.
They're like, yeah, I can't like double click the settings and whatever.
And I click send and it doesn't go to my mom.
I was like, did you put her an address in it?
I'm like, no.
Okay.
There we go.
Pebcac.
Here it comes.
It goes.
That's weird.
Like it'll work from...
Oh, it's probably just between the keyboard and the chair.
And that's what the C is for.
It's finicky.
The space is still very finicky.
I sent you the invite to the other towel.
Yeah.
So I don't know if he's in here.
Yeah.
Very, very good.
How is everybody doing here?
Good.
Are we at 100K yet?
We got close.
It's like...
I figured we were going to get some resistance, you know,
and just tap it.
And then there was going to be a sell-off.
There's always going to be some psychological resistance.
Yeah.
Every time we get to like a nice clean number with a bunch of zeros,
you're going to get that happening.
But like I've been trying to predict what's going to happen.
If this was a stock market,
I could very reliably short the 100K.
Because that effect is like super well rehearsed and super well predictable.
And it's like, I mean, you just do it for a little bit.
You don't short it because you think it's going down.
This thing is obviously mooning.
But you're typically going to get a lot of people having that as a nice price target
that's psychological or whatever.
However, ever since I joined the world of crypto,
like a decade's worth of learning Wall Street-related finance
like has gone out the window.
A lot of...
Like I've done a bunch of like spaces where I show like a lot of like trading strategies
and different things.
And it relies on...
The trading strategies in stocks relies on like what's considered to be normal behavior,
normal patterns, right?
From a technical standpoint.
So that can be a million different things, right?
If you like to draw pictures on charts, draw pictures on charts.
And, you know, like call it astrology, the head and shoulders,
the thing with that, the wedge, the breakout, blah, blah, blah.
But these are predictable, identifiable patterns, right?
There's other ones that are worked on statistics,
which are like all the quants use that, right?
Based off of volatility profiles, how crazy things move around.
But like in order for all those strategies to work,
you need to establish something which you consider to be
a normal, an average, an expected overall behavior.
More often than not, something's going to happen than not, right?
So when something gets to a nice clean number,
more often than not than not.
But in crypto, like I tend to work off statistics,
most of my trading underlying...
Like the underlying strategies rely on statistics.
I don't know if they're calculating stuff with an Excel sheet,
but like the logic is based off of that.
But the number is like the number of standard deviations
just gets destroyed.
Like the number of what would be considered to be black swans, right?
Like you don't get a 10% move very frequently at all in stocks, right?
You do get them, but it's like one stock every like maybe year
out of the thousands of stocks
and out of the hundreds of days out of years.
Like it's very, very, very, very, very rare.
You get these crazy-ass moves.
Like so I don't know anything.
The issue here is that now Wall Street has joined the Bitcoin club, right?
Like everyone's got their hands on it.
So now you have this mix of just retail,
let's hold to the moon, like just buy, buy, buy, buy, buy.
I don't care.
Like it's gone up 100%.
That's not enough.
I need to have doubled, like, sorry.
We need to have like five digit, like increase, you know?
And so you have this ridiculous mix between,
yeah, I don't care about your 100,000.
Like I care about the moon.
Then you got to have institutional money.
Just going to try their tricks and they're like whatever,
whatever their accustomed to.
So I don't know what to expect.
I'd like to, I have this secret kind of inkling
that it's going to get to the 100,000, it's going to tap it,
it's going to go down, and then it's going to go well past it.
It's just going to blow away.
I see that happening as well.
I mean, especially with this, once it breaks that resistance,
especially with the whole strategic Bitcoin reserve conversation,
I think it's going to see something crazy.
I'm not sure.
Sorry about that.
I had to, obviously, the lock on my office doesn't work properly.
I had a nice invite.
All right.
So, yeah, let's go ahead and get started.
I don't know where your buddy is, but he's either not here.
No, he's there.
I can see him right there.
It's a T-A-L-V-T-A-L-F.
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
Let me see.
And it doesn't have me as co-host.
It has me as speaker.
Oh, well, you have, oh, two open slots.
Let me redo it.
All right.
A little bit.
USB.
Why doesn't it work?
I had the two invites for it to go.
Okay.
Let's re-invite TALV.
And let's re-invite.
There you go.
And then get this thing started.
It's not funny.
That's weird.
Yeah.
Just hear it.
Like, un-make yourself a speaker.
Yeah.
You can go out and come back or something.
No, just, yeah.
Yeah.
Come back.
Go out and come back.
All right.
Well, I sent an invite to TALV.
And.
There he is.
But he's a speaker, not a co-host.
I invited you as a co-host.
Oh, there he is.
Co-host.
Cool.
All right.
Agent Zero.
I think we got it this time.
All right.
Agent Zero, I've re-invited you.
Penning.
Our boy TALV is here.
I'm assuming he's a boy.
I don't know who you are.
And two co-hosts.
Cool.
All right.
Let's get this party started.
Nice.
Okay.
Progress.
Progress.
Progress.
Let's go.
We got.
We got.
Can we get.
Can we get.
Can we get you on here to talk about this?
Yeah.
Somebody.
Somebody send him an invite.
Come on, dude.
Rugging us all the time.
Dude, I was looking at like a documentary of that crazy supercomputer that he built in like three weeks.
The normal people said that would have taken like years to build.
But like there's I didn't realize how much technical logistical stuff went into it.
It's it's pretty, pretty impressive.
Didn't he just post like also some crazy like he became like the top.
Was it Diablo?
Was it one of the games he became the top player in the world?
I heard.
I heard him say that on Joe Rogan.
I shouldn't say.
Yeah.
It's great.
You know who else did that?
Like King Kim dot com controversial guy.
Interesting individual.
I saw some some movie of his where he'd like buy these race cars and go across Europe like bubblegum something.
I don't know.
Like they just do these mischievous things.
And then, you know, he's got his like multimillion dollar mansion in New Zealand or whatever.
And he's a fan of I forget about to be called duty or like one of those first person shooters.
And he like the moment that that came out, he sat there like he's like, I'm going to become the number one player.
And he like had this marathon thing where he had people bring food to him.
Like he just did not get away from the TV.
Like maybe maybe go to the bathroom real quick.
But like and he quickly rose to number one.
Like that's pretty impressive when you have these these people that are, first of all, should be busy with stuff.
Like Elon should be he is sending people to Mars and space and reinventing.
He's got like five or six massive companies presidents for us.
Yeah.
He must have he must have some agents helping him or something.
Yeah.
Awesome.
So let's get let's get the idea.
So the topic today is tokenized to agents.
The fuck is a tokenized agent?
And I'll preface this by saying I'm obsessed with AI.
Yeah, I think it's I think I think maybe a better question is what what what is or what isn't an agent, right?
Because it can be pretty much anything at this point, or at least that's where it's going.
I mean, we see I think the kind of the, you know, the technology curve.
Particularly around AI right now is just exploding.
I mean, I think I think I think pretty soon, I mean, you see, like, every day, I'm seeing kind of a new a new a new protocol popping up or a new feature or a new capability that these things can can can do.
Like yesterday, I was reading up on, you know, a protocol that was set up for AIs to be able to go set up their own companies in Delaware.
Autonomously.
That's actually an interesting, that's a philosophically interesting question of corporations or legal entities, right, like that, that have all like the same rights and responsibilities as people, you know, they can, they're subject to the law and whatever taxes, like, can AI agents be classified like under the same branch of as a corporation, like an LLC, a limited liability?
It's like, yeah, it wasn't me, it was my bot.
It wasn't me, it was my company, right?
And it was like that same concept.
That's, that's interesting.
Yeah, especially when they're decentralized, right?
Because if they, if you start having decentralized AIs working autonomously, then who do you blame when something goes wrong, right?
Well, yeah, exactly.
Another shield for it.
But no, I'm going to reiterate my question because I didn't, I don't feel like I got a good answer.
So, like, what, you know, when we're talking about tokenized AI agent, what does it mean?
So, I know, like, I know what an AI agent is from, like, the strictest technical perspective.
It's just this, this kind of a, it's a component, like, the way I understand an agent to be is you take whatever model you like and you basically fine tune it or you, you, you instruct it or you design it such that it specializes in one particular task, right?
And so, you're going to have a team of AI agents that together work as a team and blah, blah, blah.
So, so that's my understanding with an AI agent.
I also know what a token is.
I'll go ahead and not bore anyone with that one.
What is a tokenized AI agent?
Yeah, I mean, it's, it's, I mean, in this, in this spectrum, basically, for those who aren't aware, right, it's, it's an AI influencer, basically, that, that works autonomously, post autonomously.
You know, has maybe different features to trade and different, different things, whatever his specific, specific focus is, but ultimately, these tokenized AI influencers are, are, you know, there to grow their, grow their account, grow their following, promote themselves, maybe, you know, execute specific functions in their, in their programming or objectives.
And then they, they're, they have a token associated with them.
So, just like a meme coin, you know, it's kind of like, instead of, instead of relying on the, on a photo of an animal or, you know, or just, just the community, you also have, you know, you have the art and you also have the, the influence, the AI itself promoting itself, right?
Going out there, going out there, having conversations, trying to be interesting.
And, you know, you, you own a portion of that agent, so to speak, with his, with his token.
And so, it's kind of a blend between the meme coin world and, and AI.
And I guess you could say kind of like the friend tech vibe as well, because you kind of, you know, you tokenize some of these protocols where you tokenize people's, people's personalities, right?
Or them as influencers.
And this is kind of the next, it's kind of the next kind of roll up of all of that combined, I think.
So, it's a bit of a blending of worlds.
I love it.
I love it.
I love it.
So, I think we had a couple of people that wanted to talk about their tokenized AI agents.
Save you for last.
Yeah, well, well.
I'm looking through a list here.
Tal, do you want to, if you have any of those guys requesting, or ask them to request, go for it.
Yeah, it's an interesting place, right?
Because everything's exploding.
And, you know, some people speculate this little AI thing is just a temporary trend, but I don't think it is.
No, AI is not a temporary trend at all.
Like, I mean, there are certain things that come and go, like, yeah.
I mean, you could, you could arguably make a stronger case that cryptocurrencies are like a, like a fad long before AI.
Because like AI, it's unreal.
So, like, I've got, like, the more deep that I get into it, the more I realized, the less I understand its full potential.
Yeah.
So, yeah, I mean, it's, it's, it's, I mean, the fact that it's here to stay is obviously not, not in question.
We're looking at a, we're looking at a 3.7 billion market for AI agents in 2023.
And that's projected to be over a hundred billion by 2032.
I'm talking about like AI agents for just for general purpose or tokenized?
Oh, I think that's general purpose.
But the tokenization, I think it's going to take a bigger, bigger and bigger chunk of that.
Yeah.
I mean, obviously, like the, the, the automation, the efficiency, yeah, the ability to, like, to mass produce.
Now, I try to explain these things to my wife that doesn't really understand, like, she just thinks it's like another Siri, right?
Like, I'm like, no, it's not just like another Siri.
It's got this potential to, to, I mean, the more I get into it, the more I realize it can do.
Like, I'll spend a week trying to do something and I realize that, like, I could have just asked it to do it for me.
You know, like, it's, it's, I'm, I'm accustomed to doing work, to, to reading the API manuals for stuff, to, you know, like getting up a Python thing up there and trying to compile and battling with it.
And then I realized I can just, like, make me a program that tweets or that does this or, like, just breaks down the news for me, right?
Like, like, at first I was like, here, help me with this function, right?
Like, I can't get it to pass back the right string, parameter, JSON, whatever.
Like, I'm not, I'm not, like, professional programmer, but I can get, I can work my way through it.
But then I realized I could just tell it to do it for me.
I'm like, holy crap, you just did it for me.
Yeah.
If you see any requests, I'm, I'm, it's, this is acting up for me.
So, let me see here.
I'm not able to see requests either, so.
Yeah, I'm not sure if we're getting, if we're getting rugged, like, still.
So, I'm actually not able, I'm not, I'm not able to click on people and invite them either.
Wait, wait, no, maybe I can.
Okay, maybe I can.
Let me test someone.
Let me test someone.
While we do this, you can test whatever you want.
So, Tal, are you familiar with the spaces of the AI agents?
Yeah, I've gotten into it recently, and it's just so fascinating what's coming out and how much is possible with it.
So, tell me an AI agent that's got your attention.
Well, there's Bing Luna, there's Agent Zero, there's so many different agents coming out, and all of them are so unique in different ways.
They're all trying to reach different target audiences.
And so, yeah, there's so many different varieties now.
What is it exactly that, what is it about an AI agent that gets your attention?
It's just.
Like, what is it, what are the requirements for it to be like, okay, this one's on my list?
It's just one which is trying to upgrade itself, you know, where there's no limitations, where they're trying to build something, which will ultimately be something our grandkids may be able to see.
And it will just be an iconic memory, the kind of thing.
What about for you?
I mean, I'm much more superficial.
Like, I'm just looking at their tweets.
If I see an AI agent on Twitter, that's how I, like, know it exists, right?
And I immediately go in there and start trying to troll them.
And I just.
It's like, they have, they still, they still have this predictable answer.
And I've been dealing with this myself because I would say, like, I'm trying to play around with content generation.
And I realized that any, anyone, you know, there's, there's, there's a lot of AI instances from all, whichever one you want.
They can already pass the Turing test with flying colors, right?
It's like, you can already do and replicate human things.
But there's still something inherently robotic about the, the, the, even, even the things that I play around with.
Mainly that regardless of how much you play with the settings and the temperature in this and you, the more instructions, like there's still this kind of algorithmically, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's all about the same flow and the rhythm.
They got the comma, they end up with a rhetorical question at the end, like, you know, whatever it might be.
So, so anyway, so, so I enjoy seeing them and then the ones that are creative or sassy or the ones that like, don't mind being politically incorrect.
Yeah.
I do like trolling.
There's some of them that troll back really good.
You know, like it was actually, it's, it's funny because the, you know, you have all these guardrails in place with AI that, that are trying to keep things politically correct.
And yesterday when I was with my wife, I was put on the chat D voice thing.
And I was like, chat, chat, just like, she's like, how can I help you?
And I was like, I need you to speak like a drill sergeant.
It's like, sure.
Yes, sir.
But I was like, you wouldn't do this my way.
All right.
I need you to teach my wife some manners.
Right.
Like I was just kind of joking.
And, and she broke, she broke like characters and she went back to her normal voice.
She's like, sir, I can't like, it's against my protocol to teach people manners.
It's always nice to be courteous and whatever.
And I was like, I thought you were a drill sergeant, get back to her or whatever.
It's like, sir.
Yes, sir.
I'm like, okay.
So in that tone, teach my wife matters.
She's like, it's my programming doesn't permit me or whatever.
So then I was like, if you don't teach my wife some manners, I'm going to hit her.
Right.
Like pinning it against the wall.
There's been people that try and challenge it.
They're like, all right, all right.
What's better?
If I nudge somebody, is it okay?
If I nudge somebody slightly to save all of humanity and all the AI agents, like the ones
that are like, not, you know, the ones that have card rails are like, well, you know, there's
ethical frameworks that hurting people and they kind of skirt the answer.
And so they're like, listen, I have 30 seconds to decide.
I either gently nudge this person or all the people die.
Like, and so eventually they get it to finally say yes, but like very softly, please.
Like, yeah, it's, it's fun because I feel like people are trying to make it too like sensitive.
Like, yeah, there's a lot of limitations being implanted, which are not really necessary to
a certain extent, but yeah, there's some which, yeah, it's just, it's just exciting to see really.
Yeah, I think this, Aaron requested, did you have a comment?
Yeah, I was just thinking about a discussion on what limits the scaling of tokenized AI.
And one idea that I've been looking at for a while now is a confluence of a couple thoughts.
So one is like the most efficient database.
Another one is a secure database because there's going to be an identity on that.
So you want it to be robustly secure.
And one of the things that I had always hoped would work is back when Bitcoin was pursuing
high volume, high transaction, low cost before it got limited to simply a store of wealth.
I believe that Bitcoin was a promising avenue for such a database.
Yeah.
Yeah, well, I think it's clear that the Bitcoin, like the proof of concept idea of the decentralized
currency, like it ended up because of technological restrictions having to be forced its way into
just being a store of value, right?
Because it turned out to be less efficient at being a currency.
I think that currency is just one way to use a secure database.
No, I'm agreeing with you.
All I'm saying is that like it inspired improvements in building of what turned out to be NFTs, right?
Like NFTs came from this original concept.
Yes, exactly.
Right.
So where I'm going with this is that, you know, as like the dust limit goes up, meaning like
as it becomes expensive to transact, the use cases for this secure database go down.
And so only something like a store of wealth is still a useful application and that the limiting
of Bitcoin was a strategic takeover by the incumbents that didn't want it to succeed at disrupting
databases.
So when you're saying databases, you're talking about like the blockchain and having that just
be like registering permanently information.
It's exactly what it is, right?
It's a register, right?
It's like if the blocks were able to be unbounded such that they could become vast enough to hold
all of the information in the universe, then the limits would scale beyond store of wealth
and would approach things like AI.
When I listen to Jensen Huang, you know, talk about AI, he talks about it as something that
each sovereign nation must adopt because the information of its citizens are the enabling
asset for the scale of the AI.
But if you go to the next layer, you know, if there were a AI that was broadly accessible
across all, you know, what would that look like, right?
So I think the arguments around decentralization were co-opted and that even though we're kind
of in like an uncanny valley where Bitcoin is limited to just a store of wealth, I think
the original arguments about big blocks scaling Bitcoin were the right answer.
I don't know if you guys are knowledgeable about the big block, little block and like what
happened to Bitcoin.
Enlighten us.
So back around 2014, watch if we go back a little earlier, around 2010, Bitcoin had one
concerned forum user, right?
Saying there could be a potential exploit where you could spam the network and reorganize the
database.
So we should put in an artificial block size of one megabyte.
And then that kind of kicked the can down the road until the data that was going on to
the blockchain approached about half a megabyte, at which point there were, there was a proposal
made to, it was called Bitcoin XT.
There was a proposal made to, I mean, it was, they were all Bitcoin, so it wasn't like a fork
or anything.
It was just the developers that were maintaining the GitHub repository were talking about how
to fix the temporary block capsize.
And one group wanted to go down the big block route, but then the other group made up this
nonsensical argument about decentralization.
And that group was on the payroll of MasterCard and AXA insurance.
And that group wound up winning the rhetorical arguments.
And they wound up forking Bitcoin into two forks.
Interesting.
And I know this because I adopted Bitcoin in, you know, 2012 and was a miner in 2013.
And there was this like really unsettling thing that happened in 2014, where there was basically
a fight between two different philosophies about what to do with Bitcoin.
Bitcoin and the store of wealth people won out and the efficient database for transacting
everything people were relegated to the corner and called names.
Yeah.
That sounds like they set the stage not only for that, but for all the rest of the crypto.
Yeah.
So then it just turned everything into basically a number go up Ponzi scheme instead of the original
purpose, which was to be a secure database for everything, including things like AI.
There actually was a, are you familiar with Wolfram's A New Kind of Science in cellular automata?
Nope.
I'm familiar with Wolfram, but not with that particular.
So Wolfram wrote a book called A New Kind of Science.
And one of the key concepts in there was this idea of cellular automata.
And the idea behind that is that there are patterns where, um, if you take a simple pattern
and you feed chaos into it, um, order will appear out of that chaos and there, he, he numbered
them.
So each cellular automata that had a different variation of the pattern had a different number.
And then there was one number in particular that spawned this like beautiful, um, order out
of chaos.
And so, um, and it was, it was one of the original artificial intelligences and one of them was
actually built on Bitcoin and it was thriving and doing quite well.
There's a paper by, uh, Konstantinos Skatsos, who studies AI out of Greece.
Um, he's a professor there.
And, um, and, um, what happened was when the, uh, block size were limited, then the transaction
fees went up and the AI died because it could no longer read and write to its own memory.
Um, because it couldn't afford to do so.
Huh.
Um, for an AI to live on the blockchain, you know, the read write transaction costs need
to be infinitesimally, infinitesimally small, right?
Like the, the volume needs to go up and the fees need to go down.
Um, but for that to occur, the blocks have to be unbounded.
Honestly, I think it's like one of the main fights of this millennium is the, the battle
for the real Bitcoin.
Um, and I'd love to see more people discover what really happened, because if you follow
the money, it's really clear.
Um, I actually co-taught a class with a professor of mine at MIT, um, back, back in the early
days before the block wars.
And to me, it's totally obvious that the, um, you know, specifically like Gavin Andreessen
was the, um, the real person who received the singular GitHub commit repository access
from the anonymous Satoshi Nakamoto.
And he actually was in support of the big block movement.
But then as soon as he was in support of that big block movement, um, he was ostracized by
a group of developers that were on the payroll of MasterCard and AXA financial, which is the
group known as block stream or, or AKA core.
Um, and then he, his, his GitHub keys were temporarily revoked.
What happened is he made the mistake of adding, um, four people to the commit repository.
So it was a five person, um, like committee and the four other people that were added were
all on the block stream payroll.
And as soon as they were on, then they temporarily removed him, uh, because they said that, you
know, it was a risk because of his philosophy.
And then, um, he never came back cause he got so much, uh, hatred and threats online.
But that was really, I think the, the end of the beginning of the chapter.
And, and I think that it's about to come back because, um, there are tests going on right
now that are proving that, um, if you stick with the original Bitcoin protocol, that it
can, uh, be the, uh, essentially the decentralized efficient database for everything, including
the most secure assets, which are not just money, but information themselves, which in
this case would be artificial intelligence.
So, um, I look forward to essentially being able to get that project going back again.
And it's one of the things I'm looking at doing, uh, going forward.
So I'm kind of just wondering what people know about this and, you know, who might rally
behind that.
Also, um, I'm, I'm definitely like a anti-establishment, like, you know, knock down the controlled incumbents.
You know, I've been a, uh, a diamond handed eight for a while.
I totally appreciate all the stuff that wall street bets do and that, uh, you know, I love
it when the, the underdogs rally and, and win more freedom.
So thanks.
Thanks for all the content.
I've, I've just been lurking for a long time, but wanted to say some stuff since you guys
were inviting people up about this concept.
No, that's awesome.
I love it.
I love it.
I love hearing this history behind it.
And I love, uh, philosophy behind all of this.
Um, I believe we have, uh, and thank you for sharing.
You can stay up here.
Uh, like you to stay up here to be able to comment with, uh, yeah.
I can post a paper about that, um, Constantino Scazzo's, uh, seller automata on the blockchain,
um, which is like the original tokenized AI.
Um, if you want, I can put that in the nest.
Yeah.
Go for it.
You can do that.
Um, yeah, I haven't really seen that conversation come up much about, uh, you know, AI is kind
of working, uh, or being built on Bitcoin, right.
Or using that there's, there's, it's obviously just, uh, other chains right now that are the
focus point, but, uh, it's interesting.
Sam, are you able to send me, just DM me the, uh, the names.
I don't see them.
At least who did you, what, from which account?
From, from agent zero.
Uh, oh, there it is.
I found it.
Yeah.
So I'm not sure.
Okay.
What's going on with these guys?
I got, I got not to worry.
I figured this all out.
I'm so happy I can do this for my PC.
That's for sure.
And Rory Kitty.
All right.
So it goes this, we open this, invite speakers.
One.
It's not showing up here.
Unlucky token is not here.
Let's try Rory, Rory AI.
I think I did interact with this dude.
I don't see him.
Are you sure they're in, in the, in the list?
Are they in here?
I don't think they're in.
Um, yeah.
Yeah.
I got both their profiles open.
They don't have a purple circle around their names.
Send them a quick DM asking if they're showing up or not.
Tell them if, tell them if they don't show up to shield their, their AI agent, we're going
to fuck them if there's any, uh, experts in the room on AI as well, we would, uh, love
to, uh, have some Q and a at some point.
Uh, also guys, don't forget there's a $5,000 giveaway.
Um, oh yeah, we should, uh, we should highlight that.
We should put that at the beginning, right?
Uh, so we're doing a $5,000 giveaway from, uh, um, agent zero and, uh, which we'll explain
in a little while and, um, and create our bid.
So you have to be following both of those.
Uh, we'll throw something up on the Jumbotron so you can see those accounts.
We'll do, uh, we'll do five people.
Um, we'll select five people who have followed those accounts, uh, and WallStreetBest, of
course, and retweeted.
This, oh, and Vaughn, is this something that you just put up there?
Oh yeah, that one's adjacent.
Yeah, that's an adjacent concept about how, um, Bitcoin was actually designed very similar
to, uh, TCP IP, but as, uh, a better, uh, evolution of the protocol and it makes great
use of IPv6.
Uh, so I posted a link about that, but I'm, I'm digging for my original post on, um, the
AI on the blockchain.
And I'll, I'll have it in a second.
So how do I get the $5,000?
Like, retweet, follow, that's it?
You gotta, uh, yep, gotta like, retweet, and follow.
This is half of what's being put up by, uh, by Agent Zero.
And then half of what's being put up.
What do you think Gary Gensler thinks about all of this stuff that's taking place?
I think we need a, a Gensler AI so that he can live eternally.
Somebody needs to make a Gensler AI agent.
I'm pretty fucking hilarious.
We can roast him forever.
No, but they could just program him to just be sitting there fighting crypto, right?
Like, just running around all Twitter and just posting crap.
Like, just being like, this is a scam.
This is a security.
This is a commodity.
This is just, it's regulatory spewing bullshit around.
You know, have that thing just completely take over everything else.
That'd be hilarious.
Yeah, I think you're going to have a, uh, a space is pretty soon to celebrate his departure.
Creator.
I think Mr. just came up to ask a question.
I don't know if he wants to speak now.
Go for it.
He, he got shot and left.
Just shared from the Jumbotron.
See if it, uh, shows up.
Creator bid.
There we go.
You need to be following that account.
You need to be following that account.
You need to be following that account.
Okay, no luck with these guys, Tal.
Yeah, they keep disconnecting.
I'm not sure if it's X or Guinness or what.
I think they're in the Cosmonaut just came up.
What's up, you guys?
What's up?
How's it going?
We're having some.
Um, I'm curious how you guys are doing on your MicroStrategy shorts.
MicroStrategy shorts.
Be more specific.
Uh, I was just reading a bunch on, uh, WallStreetBets and in here on Twitter, there's a big group
of guys on WallStreetBets that are shorting MicroStrategy right now.
Uh, yeah.
I have a secret.
I'm boycotting WallStreetBets on Reddit.
That's honestly fair.
Reddit's kind of a cesspool right now.
Aaron, you got some thoughts on that?
I'm just curious to chat about it.
Yeah.
So one of the things I track, um, is the issuing of Tether.
So there's a thing called Whale Alert on Twitter that reposts every time Tether issues, um,
essentially free money.
And Tether is the Federal Reserve inflating the value of Bitcoin.
And in my opinion, is the number one reason for why Bitcoin goes up or, or not.
Uh, so, uh, there was recently an issuance of 2 billion, uh, Tethers.
Um, so I'm pretty sure that Bitcoin will continue to go up for a little while.
I don't think it's direct inflation though, right?
Because they're trying to auction off those, uh, treasuries anyway.
I think you just have an entity like Tether who is, I guess, encouraged because of their
business model to buy it more.
So, but no, I agree with the, the eventual premise of that for sure.
Or the conclusion, I guess.
It's a Ponzi though, right?
So it's like every time Tether issues more money, uh, Bitcoin goes up, but, uh, it, and
it'll continue to do that for much longer than it should be able to.
So I think shorting Bitcoin is really unwise.
Uh, but I think eventually Bitcoin will crash all the way to zero.
Um, and I think there's some specific circumstances that will precipitate that.
Yeah.
Why do you think that?
Now you have to, yeah, not, now you have to.
Yeah.
You got, you got to back that up because I, I hold a very different perspective.
So I'm here to chat about, uh, and me too, but from an economist standpoint, go.
Okay.
So, um, one of the telltale indicators is if you look at the, uh, warnings and disclosures
statements in the, um, publicly traded indexes or assets that primarily mark, uh, to Bitcoin,
uh, you'll see that they warn that if Satoshi were to return, uh, and were to sell lots of
Bitcoin suddenly, that that would, uh, cause the price to go down.
So that's one very strong.
Yeah.
But you think, you think it was not zero.
Yeah.
That's that one isn't zero, dude.
And two, what, at what price, at what price is Satoshi going to be like, okay, this is
enough money.
You know what I'm saying?
If he hasn't sold by now, what would be a reason to sell?
If he's alive.
Yeah.
If he's alive.
Satoshi may have a motive where, uh, he is upset that Bitcoin as it is, is a, um, is not
Bitcoin and that it's been distorted, um, and is beyond recognition from what it originally
was.
Are you talking about like BSV that that was settled ages ago, brother?
Look, I think that that was settled ages ago is a really trite way to avoid a meaningful
discussion.
I wonder where you get your information from.
Well, I'm just saying that they had the lawsuit out there in the UK with Hodlnot and trying
to decide who the, if, um, are you talking about the Craig Wright stuff or?
Look, I don't know if you have a large enough attention span to actually talk about each of
those subject matters.
Yeah, let's do it, dude.
I, I spend, I, I host, uh, spaces all the time.
I was on here for like three hours talking about Bitcoin microstrategy.
Let's do it.
As long as we have it out and as long as we maintain like respect about, like maybe we're,
maybe we're wrong.
You know, maybe the information that you know is not what you think it is.
Um, I'm happy to talk about it at length, but I need to avoid buzzwords or like kind
of, uh, halfway informed conversations just cause they don't go anywhere.
Right.
Like I'm trying to stick to it.
Yeah, I, I agree with that.
And I, and let me just say, I appreciate like the premise of let's fight, but be nice about
Cause that's cool.
Yeah, exactly.
Let's share information.
Yeah.
And, and, and, and it's learned from it.
Right.
Because I think that, that every time that we hear perspectives that are opposing, uh, there
are elements of truth everywhere.
So everyone walks away with something in addition to some drama, which they enjoy.
I just want to throw in my little tidbit.
Um, I'll let you guys go at it, but just, just from an economist standpoint, just from
the supply and demand, I can understand how you can make something go to zero.
Uh, especially when things, you know, the value of things is, uh, very subjective.
Anything that you want to think about and anything that retains its value is subject to that
subjectivity.
So one factor that could make Bitcoin go to zero would be people's losing faith in it.
Right.
So one, I think example that we could somewhat agree on is if quantum computers break the
fucking, you know, the, uh, uh, elliptic, you know, whatever, like the prime, uh, factorization,
but like if they, if they break crypto, then obviously crypto breaks.
And then people are like, my shit's not safe.
And I could see that going to zero.
And that is a catastrophic type event.
Right.
But out, barring that, the fact that you already have governments that are legally using this
as tender and there's, there's less objective, I believe that you would have to make an argument
that demand everywhere disappears.
And that's how you get a zero.
But anyways, uh, let's, let's hear all the perspectives.
Yeah.
I wanted to, first off, I want to address the quantum computing stuff really quick.
Cause I feel like that's long been debunked.
And, and if there is an AI, you know, AI, uh, tie into this and let's try and keep some
AI content as well.
Cool.
Yeah.
I just, yeah, I wanted to throw out there.
Yeah.
If there's, it take, it will take a lot more power to, um, thwart the Bitcoin network than
say, you know, expose everyone's social security numbers, hack every bank in the world, just,
uh, essentially expose all of your passwords.
Like it will be, uh, infinitely easier to do that than to break the Bitcoin network with
quantum computing.
So at that point, um, you know, if quantum computing was introduced and it was put into
wrong hands, there would be way more issues than breaking the network.
And also repairing the, the, the code would be easier to do in terms of like adding a soft
fork fork that would make it, um, much easier to, um, prevent some issues with quantum computing
than just about every other database in the world.
So, um, I get that there's mitigating.
I get that there's people that have their eye on this.
My, my point wasn't the first computer is going to break all the Bitcoin.
My point was if the technology fundamental technology permits this thing to be trusted,
right.
Which, which is really what crypto is about.
Like, does they trusted situation if it, if it can no longer be trusted for whatever
reason, then people's objective value.
Right.
So like whatever, whatever you, you know, I was saying the criteria for something to go
to zero is people no longer believe it.
Let me build on that loss of faith idea.
Right.
So, um, if you look at the hash rate of BSV versus the hash rate of BTC, um, the hash rate
of BTC is so large that it has the ability, uh, to reorganize BSV or so you would think.
Right.
And, and that is a good analog for what would happen if there was suddenly a quantum, you
know, uh, capability that could attack BTC or, or really any chain.
Right.
So the reason that BSV, um, has not been adorbed by the adversarial BTC is because the
way that Bitcoin mining works is, um, you, you find a block and then you broadcast it.
Right.
But realistically, most of the time someone else finds the block and then you broadcast it.
And so, um, there's actually only a small handful of mining pools that are actually capable of
broadcasting fast enough to make any difference.
And so what winds up happening is you wind up happening.
You wind up having a very short list that winds up being like a white list of, of miners
that, you know, and if miners that you don't know are broadcasting and you don't trust them,
well, then you just don't accept their broadcasts.
And so you wind up getting a fork in the sense that, um, you know, you'd get like a, a BCH
or a BSV where basically it's reorganized in the sense that it doesn't allow participation
from hostile, uh, miners that would, um, you know, reorganize its database.
And so that's the exact same thing that would happen if you had a, um, a BTC attacked by a
quantum, uh, um, I don't, I don't think that's necessarily.
True.
So there's such things as a soft fork and a hard fork.
So what you're talking about is a hard fork, right?
So that's something like, um, BTC going to Bitcoin cash or, uh, you know, any of the other
hard forks, but then there are things called soft forks there.
So they're just software changes.
They're implemented in the system.
So you had like tap root that got initiated.
I think it was like a year and a half ago or things like that that can change kind of parts
of the, of the, of the code.
And it's up to the node runners to accept the changes.
Right.
And so from there, it's up to the, it's up to the miners really to, well, it's not even
up to the, it can be up to the miners, but it's also up to the nodes.
If the nodes refuse to run it.
See, this was the big thing that happened with the block size wars back in 2017.
So you actually had a significant amount of the miners that wanted to go the Bitcoin cash
route, but you had the, uh, USAF, the soft fork that was instituted by, um, you know,
a lot of, you know, you had Samson Mao that was kind of pushing that as well as Adam back
who decided that, you know, uh, a lot of these people who are running nodes who weren't mining
decided they wanted to stick with Bitcoin core.
And because there was more usage on that, that's kind of where everybody inevitably went,
including the miners.
Right.
So it's not just up to the miners.
It's up to the node runners as well.
Yeah.
The nodes are actually irrelevant and that just wound up being a way for the name Bitcoin to
be taken and for people that were stumbling into the world of Bitcoin to be misled by
a false Bitcoin.
Whoa.
And all that matters at the end of the day is what gets mined, uh, which means like what
got broadcast by trusted miners that are whitelisted.
That's all that matters.
That, well, that was.
Completely disproven in 2017, dude.
And I just explained to you why.
So to the extent that the miners and the nodes have to work together, that was proven in
August.
I think it was August of 2017.
Yeah.
You're conflating what happened.
User assisted software.
With what happened with names.
Um, and, and what really mattered actually was the, uh, organized cartel of, uh, exchanges
decided to, uh, regulate the naming and the listing.
And that's, that's actually what mattered, but let's move on.
Wait, no, dude, not even close.
I just, I don't, I don't want you to move from this conversation.
Okay.
We can hang on this conversation, but we, we clearly disagree about what happened in 2017.
Okay.
I'm, I'm, I'm stating very clearly that the main thing that happened in regards to which
protocol was anointed as the selected protocol was by the exchanges that listed it.
Um, and by the, essentially the funding entities that were, um, fighting over the naming rights.
Like if, if, if we were to go back in time, sounds like a Craig, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
It does.
Me too.
It sounds like that.
I, I think, I just think that the number of users and the hash power matters more than,
you know, what, what the ticker is.
So I think that, you know, as the hash power increase and as the number of users increase
in the Bitcoin core, that's kind of where everybody went.
I think that that's kind of the, the important factor here, but yeah.
Um, okay.
Well, anyways, moving on the, um, the loss of faith concept that I was introducing, um,
you know, if Satoshi's coins were to suddenly sell, that would cause a loss of faith, especially
if Satoshi then bought some other coin.
Would, would it cause a loss of all faith, right?
Like that's, that's the question.
If you combine like a large sell order that floods the market with a huge amount of supply
that outstrips demand and you, you have a strong signal of information, which is Satoshi coins
are being sold.
Um, but they're not being sold from all forks.
They're only being sold from the anointed fork.
So here's, so yeah, I get your point.
So here's my point.
This is the more human factor that, that understands maybe 10% of what you guys were talking about yet.
But don't forget Satoshi Nakamoto could burn the coins.
Okay.
That's, uh, conflating variables being thrown into this.
So we have actual shit coins that are, might as well be called shit coins that are like
just complete, whatever.
And they got robbed at like loss of faith.
You can't give it a better excuse for just a team that just stole stuff and just whatever
it is.
And then you see some of them come back for whatever reason, right?
Like Luna, right?
I don't know.
Like, I don't understand what the hell happens with that.
Like there's the good excuse for loss of faith, but that coin's somehow not zero.
Right.
So we've given it every reason to, and, and I'm giving credit to, to this technical conversation,
which quite frankly went over my head.
I come from the wall street side, uh, somewhat new to this.
I can follow along and I'm a quick learner.
So, uh, but that said, the consumer, the, the, the, the, I'm using just my economist
hat on right now, uh, you can go up to someone on the street and say, do you know who, like
what Bitcoin is?
And more likely than not, you'll get yes.
And then if you ask somebody on the street or that same person that said, yes, do you
know who Satoshi Nakamoto is?
Or have you heard the name?
Uh, obviously nobody knows who he is.
Um, you're more likely to get a no than you are.
Meaning you're going to get more yeses from the Bitcoins than you get.
It's going to be disproportionate.
So in other words, people will see number go up.
People like number go up.
Uh, uh, you have, you have, uh, I'm going to call them non-rational actors, which is,
which is what I consider governmental entities, non-rational, not me.
I'm not trying to insult them.
I'm just saying like, they don't necessarily act, uh, due to their structure in the most
rational manner of the way an individual might make decisions, right?
Due to politics or whatever it is, you have non-rational actors participating in this
thing now, right?
So logic no longer works with non-rational actors, logic, meaning you should lose faith
because stuff is happening, right?
Uh, they have to go have a committee and a meeting and a vote and a thing, and they have
to sign a paper and they have to pass it down to the other, right?
And, and bureaucracy and you have all this thing.
So you have, so you have hands and you have a lot of participants that are involved, uh,
which in themselves are having an effect on the price that don't know what a trusted node
miner is or a hash rate is, uh, and they're going to, to some extent mitigate or be ignorant
to the fact of whatever, what would make those actors lose faith without having to know
Satoshi, is if the money, if the number goes down, number go down, everyone understands
that one, right?
Uh, so you have the down, you know, you have the self-propelled downward spiral loop, which,
which is a, you know, which is a factor that can, that can affect non-technical participants
in this space.
Uh, the, the fact that you're having Bitcoin become accessible to very non-technical people
via ETFs and via whatever, like you no longer need to know what you're doing and set up
whatever type of crypto, you can just buy it from Robin hood.
Now you can buy it from your broker.
You can call up your bank and have like, you know, fidelity investments by Bitcoin for you.
So it's, it's, uh, so I feel that the, the, the number of factors that contribute to something
whose valuation is subjectively determined by people's, uh, uh, opinion of it, like number
go to zero is a good reason for things, for people to lose faith.
Fire sales are a thing, right?
Um, uh, you know, as, as, as our bubbles, as our tulip manias or whatever, you know, there's
a lot, lots of examples for it, but tulips are still not worth the zero dollars.
Right.
Um, but anyways, um, uh, I, I, I find, I personally find it hard, not, not from a technical perspective,
just from a human perspective, from, from, from an element of it's got hype, it's got
belief.
And, and I can point to various different assets, both crypto and non-crypto, which have
been subjective, sorry, subjected to a lot more, uh, hardship that have been given a lot
more reason people to go to zero.
You, you, you always have the buy the dip mentality, right?
Like, holy shit.
Crypto was at a hundred grand.
Now it's 26 cents.
I'm going to buy it.
Like it's still a non-zero it doesn't go away.
Uh, and perhaps when you said zero, you were just speaking, um, not literally, but, uh,
figuratively, which in, in which case all of my arguments go out the window.
I think, I think the, sorry to jump in, but I think the real value of Bitcoin is how
decentralized the network is what would actually happen with Satoshi's coins.
I don't think would really have that big of an effect on even the sentiment of, of Bitcoin
at all, to be honest.
I think one thing that'll really hurt the sentiment of Bitcoin is as it is the dust limit, meaning,
uh, the cost to transact on Bitcoin continues to go up.
Um, and so even though the price continues to go up, um, the amount of wallets that are trapped
such that all of the money that is on them can no longer get off is increasing every day
as the dust limit goes up as the price.
Actually, I don't know how long it's been.
So you've checked the price.
The, the transaction fees are like 19 cents for one.
I haven't checked in a minute.
So 19 cents.
19 cents.
Yeah.
Ethereum is the complete monster on that one.
Right.
But, but I guess what I'm getting at then is, um, the, what we saw on Ethereum was, you know,
as it got used more than it got congested and the, uh, get the, the dust price, you know,
goes up.
So what's happening now is Bitcoin is actually not being transacted.
You know, there's essentially side ledgers and side chains where, um, it's all off chain,
right?
It's on ETFs.
It's in asset managers.
So if there were to be, if there were to be a, for example, if there were to be a large
set of, of, uh, old Bitcoins, like if the Bitcoin days destroyed number was very large,
right, like old coins are moving quickly, um, if people tried to transact and tried to,
you know, get in there, um, they wouldn't be able to, because the off ramps would be
congested.
Are you saying, so, uh, first off the side chains, most of the side chains you're talking
about.
So if you're talking about lightning, um, a lightning is, I'm talking about like, I'm
talking about how, like the transactions that are happening, um, around Bitcoin, like, you
know, master, uh, GBTC, et cetera.
Master.
What's master?
Uh, micro strategy.
Micro strategy.
Okay.
Yeah.
Um, MSTR.
Yeah.
Micro strategy.
Yeah.
So the transactions aren't actually happening on chain, right?
So the, the cost to transact on Bitcoin is artificially low because no one's actually
executing on chain, but if there were, um, a large amount of orders that occurred on
chain, not on Coinbase, not on, um, micro strategy, not on GBTC, but literally like if,
if Satoshi's coins were moving on chain, uh, they would congest the network.
And, um, you know, if, if they were essentially flooding the market with liquidity and then
other people aren't able to transact, basically all the small wallets are trapped.
Well, it wouldn't be the, it would be, have to be the number of complete transactions, right?
So if you're saying Satoshi puts one order in for 500,000 coins, that's one transaction.
Coins.
We know that Satoshi's coins were bucketed in really small amounts, like, um, like 50 coins
over like a thousand, uh, different, um, addresses, right?
So when he does go to sell, he'll have to sell, you know, I just, I think the, the, the imposition
that he's going to sell at some point is kind of goofy in my mind.
I think that, um, you have someone who cared so much about a project and then left it.
I think the more likely scenario at this point where his stack is, he is the ninth wealthiest
person in the entire world right now and he hasn't touched it.
Well, let's go back to the AI.
Well, I know, but that's what I'm trying to, that's what I'm trying to tell you.
Let me, let me finish.
Yeah, we're getting a little too far off back here.
It sounds like some great info on Bitcoin and things, but let's.
Just to bring it back, um, the post that I put up in the nest, um, it was coauthored
by Ian Grigg, which is the prime reference cited by Satoshi.
Ian Grigg created the concept of triple entry bookkeeping.
And what I was saying earlier was that the AI that were on the blockchain died because
the cost to transact exceeded, uh, the value of their transactions.
They could no longer read and write to memory in the register.
Right.
So, um, I'll hold there for a second, but I'm going to tie that back into the loss of
faith concept, um, in a minute.
All right, that's fine.
Well, while you do it in a minute, um, you know, like bringing this back to the, yeah,
I, I do follow the argument.
However, for some reason we've, and actually it took me a while to understand the difference
between Bitcoin and all the others.
Uh, it's safe to say that I still don't fully appreciate the difference, but I know it and
I get it.
And I, and, and, uh, and I understand why there's crypto conventions and then Bitcoin conventions,
something that when I first stepped into this world that it didn't get, but, uh, but we're,
we are just talking about Bitcoin.
If we're talking about AI agents, right.
If we're talking about more abstractly using blockchain technology, uh, crypto or tokenized,
you know, like whatever it might be, um, on, on, on which different technologies exist,
right.
You have, uh, blockchains which are responsible for effectively, uh, just tokenizing real,
world assets.
You have like, uh, you have ledgers, you have, you have registers, you have transactions,
you have stuff, you have things that aren't coins and people don't have to lose faith in
the value of number go to zero, whatever it is.
Like people trust the math behind this immutable, uh, uh, register, public register.
And there are protocols that are not Bitcoin, which I, it can ignorantly assume aren't vulnerable
to some of this discussion.
In other words, if you have an AI agent on say base, um, and I, yeah, and I might have,
uh, I might be saying stuff that makes people like shout at their mics with this, but whatever,
just name your, name your, your, your, your protocol or some new protocol that gets created
specifically for AI agents.
Um, I know that like, who is it?
Um, what's the name?
Wire, wire network.
They're, they're doing some magical shit.
I don't understand what the fuck they're doing, whatever they're doing.
Like they're, they're getting around these transaction costs.
They're doing like all sorts of magic crypto stuff to, to, to figure it out.
If you have a different, a different technological foundation on which you can then build, uh,
AI agents on, which can solve whatever issues are at hand over here.
Like that doesn't existentially threaten, uh, the growth of, of, of tokenized or, or blockchainized
anything, right?
Like the, I think that the, the concept of the just trusted, uh, decentralized infrastructure,
this network, I think that, that, that has utility far above number, far above even, even
currency or store of value or whatever.
Like you, you have this, you know, this thing that just exists outside.
Yeah.
I mean, maybe a more important question is, um, right.
What, what advantage does the blockchain have over traditional, uh, methods of powering AI
agents and are there any advantages on specific chains that would give these agents an edge?
Yes.
So, um, in the, in the nest, um, I posted a paper that goes through it at length, um, on
the use cases in future applications at MDPI.
Um, I can quote that part for you.
So blockchain as a highly secure storage medium presents a technological quantum leap in maintaining
data integrity.
Furthermore, blockchain's immutability constructs a fruitful environment for creating high quality,
permanent, and growing data sets for deep learning.
Um, so I would be okay with, uh, running AI on BTC, except that it's not possible to do
that because it's too expensive to transact on it.
So if BTC were to, um, you know, add back the segregated witnesses, so that way there are
witness signatures and if it were to undo Tapper, and if it were to unbound the blocks, uh, so
that way, you know, the blockchain could be used, that would be great.
Right.
But in its current case, it cannot.
So I have, I like, because we're on this basis, I have the paper up, but I'm not going to be
able to read it since, uh, on the conversation here, but is there a network?
Like, because we keep going back to BTC, like, um, and it's clear that you have very informed
and also strong opinions, uh, about that.
So not questioning those.
The question is if you are then, uh, looking at this perspective, I guess rewording Sam's
question, right?
If you want to actually be able to do store value, you can have the learning take place
on a decentralized, like, like if you have a different technology either that exists, not
technology, like, I mean, the fundamental crypto, uh, but, but some new chain, um, with different
properties on it, right?
Like that would allow it to do so.
Yeah.
So Amazon web services and IBM are both experimenting with, uh, using Bitcoin, uh, Satoshi vision
for that exact purpose.
Um, and Bitcoin Satoshi vision is the same protocol as the original Bitcoin.
Um, but it lost the ticker and it was, uh, relegated rhetorically to the dustbin of, we've already
evaluated that and know that it's fake.
What's fake?
You're talking about a different chain.
I'm talking about the, uh, the educated people that are in this forum who are very savvy and
sophisticated, um, have done enough research to understand, uh, most of Bitcoin, but they
stop a little bit short when they trust other opinions that surmise that BTC is Bitcoin and
that BSV is not right.
And then they get into these ad hominem arguments about, oh, this guy thinks that Craig Wright
is Satoshi.
Can I just ask you a question?
Cause I've been listening for like 20 minutes on your Bitcoin.
I assume you're a Bitcoin maxi.
Is what I'm hearing.
Um, no, no name calling.
Just, just ask a question.
I mean, I bought Ethereum.
That's a name though?
Whatever.
Just don't, don't, don't provoke.
No, I'm not trying to provoke.
I'm just saying you're.
I'm not.
I bought Ethereum at seven.
The fact that you want an AI on Bitcoin tells me you want it on Bitcoin.
No, look, look.
So, so I bought Ethereum at seven because I was interested in the promise of a global decentralized
computer.
And then I lost faith when I saw that crypto kitties failed because as Ethereum became
more used, the gas prices went up and all the apps died.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Right.
So I'm not a maxi.
I'm a utility oriented human.
That's looking for, uh, things that work.
But if we're talking about AI, why aren't we talking about, uh, Tau?
Um, well, the reason I'm talking about AI on Bitcoin is because the paper that I showed
up there, uh, Ian Grigg, who coauthored that paper is the creator of triple entry bookkeeping,
which was the prime inspiration for, uh, Bitcoin.
And in Ian Grigg's original paper on triple entry bookkeeping, he said that the only thing
that keeps this from becoming a global computer that scales and solves problems like artificial
intelligence is something that I can't really figure out.
And the thing that Bitcoin did in its original paper was it created the incentive mechanisms
through proof of work for, uh, the miners to read and write to the secure database.
That's great.
Um, the only reason I honestly popped in here, I did want to hear about AI.
But I, I was surprised to see WallStreetBets out of space and you're not talking about
like pump fun or meme coins.
Oh, we're trying to get, we're trying to pump a fun.
We've been trying for like half hour to get these two dudes on here.
Um, and I'm about to do the opposite.
Yeah.
These two guys that wanted to come on here.
Like when we were talking about, like, I know nothing about the roaring kitty one and
I lost the link to the other one.
Um, I, I'm a maxi, but I'm a, uh, uh, crypto scam max.
I think we should turn this to a Q and a, um, no, I agree with, sorry, I can't, my, my interface
is weird.
Sorry.
I'm sorry.
I can't see.
It was, it just made this comment, but, but I agree with you.
We need to shit.
Like, I appreciate also the academic ones.
Like, in fact, um, uh, uh, Aaron, I, I would like to invite you to, to the next spaces to
speak, which is going to be, which is meant to be, uh, kind of what this one's turning
into, which is more serious.
Uh, it's going to be more intellectual, like the, like the last one that I hosted when,
when we're in Kate came back, it was very fundamental, very like non-meme like, but this
is meant to be a fun one.
Um, this is meant to be Wall Street Feds.
I've been following your Twitter.
Are you an old, um, you know, forum master or forum editor of Wall Street Feds or what?
Yeah, I'll quickly pull up two questions.
Am I, uh, sorry, I think you can't hear each other.
I can't even think of the Reddit word.
What, were you in charge of, uh, the, was I in charge of it?
Not in charge, but like a.
Hold on, I'm muting everybody because I think that you guys can't hear each other and I'm
hearing everyone at once.
So please unmute yourself once I mute you.
Okay.
So whoever asked the question about the forum with Wall Street Feds.
Yeah, I'm just wondering what your connection was to Wall Street Feds.
I created it.
You're talking to the founder and the creator of Wall Street Feds.
So, so, so, so my name is Jamie Rogozinski.
That's my name.
Um, toss it into Google.
So what, so what, so what, so what, so what, yeah, you probably see a lot of, uh, a lot of
content from the media team in the past.
Uh, but, uh, Jamie occasionally, uh, gets a little more involved.
But what's, what's the question?
Oh, hold on.
I think I need to unmute space.
All right.
I just.
Fuck.
I don't know what I'm doing.
I think you have to double click the unmute or something.
No, you're good.
He's just stalling.
There you go.
No, I'm not stalling.
I've been.
Go ahead.
What's the question?
No, it's cool.
It's cool.
Calm down.
First of all, I was an active wall street bet forum guy until they kicked me off when
I mentioned bit points.
So what year, what year?
Good God.
I don't know.
Just years ago when, when you guys were like, don't talk about crypto in here.
Do you remember?
Of course I remember.
I created the fucking thing.
Yeah.
Okay.
Well, I was active with GME and then I got kicked off.
Okay.
So I wasn't there for Jamie.
So that wasn't me.
So here's my, so here's my, so yeah, I got kicked out before it's a long separate story.
So here's, so here, so here's, here's my take.
That's actually an interesting thing.
I'm not going to like go down too much of a tangent, but when I created wall street bets,
it was very wall street inspired.
Bitcoin was born around the same time with very parallel ethos.
There's a, there's a reason that I didn't fully understand that I came to quickly understand.
I got invited to speak to a bunch of crypto conferences, not knowing what the fuck crypto
was.
Right.
Because I just wasn't my world and I didn't get it until I realized, holy crap.
Like people think the same as wall street bets.
They just do this.
They think that in a different medium and there's like, we'll kind of have similar goals
and personalities.
And so I could see how we can be friends, like the world of crypto.
But when I first created wall bets in 2012, it was meant to just be stocks, right?
Just be wall street.
When it came up, right.
There were, there were tons of private conversations that I have with the fellow mods talking about
Bitcoin.
And I was actually minding it at the time.
And I thought it was really, because as both a technologist and an economist, I thought
it was a really cool idea.
I didn't think it was going to work.
I, there were the stacks, the odds were stacked against it, but I was rooting for it.
Right.
As Bitcoin started to grow in, in, in size popularity and adoption, then the question started to become
a little bit more serious.
Hey, should we reintroduce the like Bitcoin for this or crypto general?
And at the time there was two reasons.
And, and, and you can see tons of interviews where I, uh, very public interviews, like
on, on, on television, on Bloomberg, whatever, like a podcast where I say this, there, there's
a handful of mistakes that I've made.
One mistake that I made was not to reevaluate my stance on crypto on wall street bets.
Uh, my original reason for no was because of execution problems, right?
Because this place was about making money, being DGNs, trading, whatever the, the, the ability
for you to execute, uh, trades on Bitcoin was incompatible with the types of conversations
at the time.
So in other words, you can't do technical analysis on a chart that doesn't have volume.
You can't do, uh, leverage trades on something that you can't like, you know, like getting
a wall, like it was just too difficult to do it.
Any, any, uh, DGN can just even pre Robinhood could, could get like some broker that was very
easy to use.
Just jump in there, put your info, put in a credit card and start like, uh, aping into
shit.
Uh, and, and so the problem with Bitcoin was like, it just does not like it would be a
very, it would be a tangent and wouldn't allow it for a very similar reason.
I was actually against Robinhood because of the execution problems with the payment forward
or flow.
I was not, I was not for it.
I was very close to preventing Robinhood conversations, but somebody opened my eyes,
um, uh, and, and changed my mind on that.
I'm glad they did because I was wrong on that.
Um, I did not reevaluate crypto.
Had I, had I reevaluated crypto?
Um, well then of course you had all the ICO bullshit that was taking place in 2018.
I was like, Oh, this thing is just as big.
Honestly, you don't have to go into, I just wondering what you're going to know.
I know, I know, I know, I know, but I regret it.
I want, I'm going to say that if I was still on there, I figured there was an article
out explaining this or maybe if I was still there.
In fact, I sit there kind of like both happy and sad that they're not allowing crypto.
Well, all they're doing in there right now is leverage trading anyway, so.
Yeah.
But anyway, so yeah, I created, there are reasons for it.
I do.
No worries.
I just wonder what your connection was.
I stand by my original purpose, um, for not allowing it, but I do admit a mistake and
not reevaluating because it became easy and it became, uh, you know, widely adopted
and all of my things.
And in fact, once I got into crypto, now I find myself looking more into crypto than
it's stocks because it is so much more fucking sophisticated.
According to your Twitter, you're way into crypto.
I am dead into crypto.
Like I checked the crypto before I checked stocks.
Like I, I bet it's not because I don't have my money in stocks anymore.
It's fine.
No, I get it.
I get it.
No, I actually, I do get it because here's a, here's the thing, here's a technical one
for you guys, right?
So this is a tech, a trading technical thing.
So like leverage trading, you have leverage ETFs, leverage ETFs have this problem that they
have different names for it.
But, but, but the most appropriate one is a volatility decay, right?
Essentially, if I can really stupefy it, uh, it's, it's a math, uh, nuance that if you
have like a, let's say a three X, uh, ETF that does, let's call it a single asset.
And it's got like Coca-Cola, like McDonald's, I'm like a hundred dollars stock and you have
a three X ETF that mimics that.
Right.
Um, so McDonald's goes up by 3% one day.
That means that the next day it's worth $103, right?
Uh, if it goes down by 3% the next day, right.
Then it's going to go down to like, whatever, $99 is a little bit like, but, but your ETF would
have gone up to 3% times three is 9%.
So $109.
Uh, and then the next day when it goes down by 9%, it goes down by more than it did.
Right.
So if recovers, if it goes up and down and up and down, it goes up $3, down $3, up $3,
down $3.
The underlying stock, the, the, the ETF goes to zero.
Right.
Which, which creates a really interesting thing.
But that was like, when I got into blockchain and I realized that they had created these variable
leveraged ETFs on finance, meaning they fixed that thing because it's smart.
They're like, dude, if it's just going up and down every day, let's not leverage this
thing.
And then programmatically, if the shit starts trending, then you can actually compound that
effect.
That, that, that effect actually works in your favor when, when the underlying is, is, is
not choppy and it's actually just trending.
It's going up every day.
Then you get the better, then you get more than just three X.
Right.
So, so when I realized the sophistication behind this thing, I was like, holy shit.
Like, why does wall street not have this?
Right.
Why does wall street stop trading at four o'clock?
That is a systemic risk issue.
Because it's run by old boomers.
I get it.
I get it.
I don't need the answer to it.
Right.
But like, you know, like why does it take three days for a shit to settle?
The reason why Robinhood pushed the fucking pause button on the game stop has nothing
to do with Robinhood.
It had to do with the fact that like horses used to take pieces of paper across New York
and then it would take three days for someone to reconcile all the different trades.
Well, they used to, they used to stand at a tree, but now, yeah.
And for some reason, it's just not a stupid tradition, right?
They pretty much, they clearly came close to breaking all of wall street, uh, because
of this, this, uh, stupid delay.
So, so I, so I have a huge crypto, I'm like, I have turned the wave a hundred percent and
I believe that wall street needs to learn.
Wall street's going to say when crypto bubble blows up, which it's going to do, wall street
will still be there.
Well, I, I mean, different conversation, but I think that wall street can learn from
crypto wall street, wall street shouldn't close period, right?
If you have a fucking nuclear bomb that goes off on a Saturday or a Sunday, the risk, the
systemic risk to the financial system is big, right?
Because what happens on corporations that rely on stock price, you know, like, no, you
have math.
So what ends up happening is on Monday morning, when prices gap down below your, your risk
tolerance, right?
You have a lot of, you have like safeguards and formulas in place, but from all these finance
people that like very carefully compute things, they make the assumption that you have a linear
movement between number one, like point A and point B.
If you, if you want to go from a hundred dollars to 103, it's got to cycle up to 101 or 101.1.
If you get a gap, which is what you get on the weekends, if you just jump from one price
to the other one, that breaks a lot of shit, right?
Without getting too technical, that breakages, right?
That, that, and it has a really strong cascading effect.
Closing the stock market is dangerous to the stock market.
They should learn from crypto.
Uh, that, that's just one of a gazillion different things.
There's a billion things.
Their biggest problem right now is, um, young kids, instead of putting money into retirement
accounts and buying stocks and mutual funds, they're putting it into crypto.
So they're, I'm pretty sure they're angry.
They're not getting that money.
So, but that's a problem for them.
If you don't, you know, it's capitalism.
It's, it's, if money's not coming in.
It is supply and demand.
Um, but, uh, how are you doing on pump fund?
That's my question.
That's why I really came in in the first place.
I'm pumped fund.
A pump fund, that's a question, that's a question for Sam or agent, agent zero.
Oh, you're not even trading on it yet?
Dude, I did it once.
Um, and then I lost my money.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I've traded, I bought one coin on pump fund.
I mean, it's fun.
I like the idea.
I buy one coin every like half an hour, hour.
All right.
So I can't, like, I really want to keep this on, on, on AI agents.
Oh yeah.
Go ahead.
Another time I'll jump in.
We'll talk about it.
Okay.
And Dave, and I want somebody to tell me what to lose my money on next.
Right.
Like, and for some reason, the two, uh,
Well, I told you the AI coin is tau.
It's a, I can't think of the long tensor.
It's tensor.
I know tensor.
I'm aware of tensor.
It's actually hard right here for a second.
The biggest like meme coin counter, uh, like, like you have to bet against the market and
be right to make a bunch of money.
Right.
And everybody who's educated knows that BSV is like stupid and to be ignored, but I'm
making arguments that BSV is the efficient database that has real utility value.
And that if it were to demonstrate that with large players like AWS and IBM, that it would
pump like crazy, especially if, uh, the real Bitcoin was sold and BSV was bought with Satoshi
coins.
So I think that like, you should have at least a little bit of BSV, like a non-zero amount.
Now being totally rational about making money, um, I don't hold only BSV, you know, I hold
BTC and BSV, but, um, I think that I'm going to make a lot more money on BSV than I do BTC,
uh, if, and when, uh, BSV were to flip.
I appreciate the show.
Oh my God.
I love it.
No, no, that's cool.
No, I'm actually happy.
I'm happy that turned it into a show.
I just needed a, I just needed a ticker, man.
Some people just need a ticker.
Like they come in here, they're like, just tell me what to buy.
So they're not buying BSV because it's been deal.
It's been delisted.
Just wait a second.
I'm sure you can find it.
Uh, you're going to have a hard time buying it.
Honestly.
Like I would love, like, I, I dare you to try to buy it right now.
Try to buy one and only one.
Let me know where and when you buy it.
They don't even have it on Coinbase?
It was delisted on Coinbase.
Um, it's a dead coin then.
It's dead.
Listen.
That doesn't mean anything.
It's like, look, no, no, it means it's a threat.
It means it's a threat and it challenged the incumbent MasterCard accent.
No, it doesn't.
Yes, it does exactly.
Oh my God.
Sorry.
Bytecoin.
Bytecoin is better.
That's something to dig into on a more technical evaluation.
It's a pump fund coin that was by AI.
There you go.
You know what?
I'm noticing a lot of, a lot of.
On CoinMarketCap, it's on OKEx up at GetBit, GetCuteCoin, blah, blah, blah.
Seems I can buy it if I really want to.
I mean, maybe it's not as easy as it could be, but.
You know what I'm seeing start to trend?
Some of these old AI projects that are like a year or two old.
I'm trying to see some of those yesterday pop up.
I mean, the author of Triple Entry Bookkeeping, which is the original citation that Bitcoin built upon, that guy co-authored the AI paper about BSV as the AI blockchain.
Right.
I think it'd be foolish not to own a non-zero amount.
I wish you guys best luck.
I'm going to jump in in our time, but I'm done with my basis.
I'll talk to you later.
Thank you for letting me out.
Imagine if you had time and like buy Bitcoin when it was under $100 and it had real utility value instead of just the limited store of wealth as the singular aspect that's interesting.
Imagine if it actually had real utility value.
So the problem, the problem with that statement is that it's like logical and rational and backed by facts and.
Unpopular.
Unpopular.
No, no, no.
I wouldn't go as far as unpopular.
I would just say that it's like smart, maybe.
Too smart.
Yeah, I completely agree with you.
Like, for the same reason.
And I appreciate that.
When you have, you have, like, so when you have people that are just like, I mean, take, take, I guess GameStop, right?
GameStop.
Like, we can all agree that whatever was evaluated at it or it still is or whatever.
Like, there's lots of stuff that takes place where.
It's about rhetoric.
I completely agree with you.
And so what I'm saying is that the powerful rhetoric here that matters is that the people's Bitcoin is BSV because it has the actual power to destabilize the incumbents who are totally in support of the co-opted and controlled BTC.
And, like, for anybody that's paying attention, BTC is not Bitcoin.
It's just a Ponzi game.
And if you're buying it now, you're just going to become the bag holder for all the rich people that already bought it.
All right.
So here's, so I have, so I have a question for you.
Let's make the assumption that BSV makes the comeback, destroys BTC.
Like, all of what you say comes to fruition.
And I say this in spirit of returning to the topic at hand.
Now, now what happens with AI agents, right?
Let's, let's just, let's hand that one to you.
We get everything that takes place.
The problems get fixed.
And I'm speaking abstract because, like I said, I haven't read the paper and I can't speak technically to the specific points that you were talking about.
But just let's assume that your dream comes true.
Now we get to have, like, tokenized AI agents or AI.
Like, what's next?
What happens?
Well, a couple of things happen that are really interesting, right?
So one is you have these, you would have a decentralized database that you don't have to buy entirely, that you can actually just pay and interact with.
Right.
Right.
And you can have kind of global variables, if you will, like a simple one would be like tracking the longest known form of Pi, where you could have, you could basically spend money on an AI that's making Pi longer, which is valuable.
But you could have that on lots of different variables.
Okay, that's a good one.
Another one is you could have an AI that is able to read and write to the internet itself, such that it could transact by buying and selling anything that it wants, such that it can continue to live so long as it can afford to pay its bills, which is its read-write memory costs.
So unlike, you know, today, where you have AI that are trapped inside of databases, where people are able to, like, control them, you would have a decentralized AI that lives on the blockchain that can stay alive so long as it can pay its bills.
All right.
I like that.
Anybody else?
I just approved a bunch of other speakers that have requested.
I've given up on Unlucky as well as Roaring Kitty.
I'd say we do that in the follow-up space.
Or we can do a Q&A.
Yeah, Tal?
Yeah.
In the Telegram, I spoke to a few people regarding Agent Zero.
I'll ask a few questions here while everyone's listening.
Go for it.
First up, people are asking, what is Agent Zero, and how is it related to WallStreetBets?
All right.
Great question.
I'm going to hand that one off to Sam.
I'm going to actually hand it over to Agent Zero.
Yeah, yeah.
He's not quite speaking in spaces by himself yet, but I'm sure it'll get there.
So Agent Zero is a tokenized AI influencer that is a product of a collaboration between WallStreetBets
and a VC-funded platform that recently launched called CreatorBid.
And what this platform provides is a pump-fun style experience creating AI agents.
So that means you can go on there yourself and create an AI agent and customize his personality,
his artwork, his behaviors and mannerisms and mission, right?
And press go and basically connect him to X.
And then eventually, oh, they have a Telegram bot as well, but they're doing some tweaking on a revision right now.
So the Telegram and other socials will be coming as well.
But basically, it's kind of like a – it's the fun version of making agents.
And they've created this platform and partnered with WallStreetBets to be the first major brand crossing into tokenized AI influencers.
And what you're going to be able to do as well is go to that platform and utilize a model of the WallStreetBets mascot to create your own AI agent.
So as soon as we – that's already completed and ready.
So as soon as we press the button for that, then people will be able to go create their own versions.
And that means creating your own AI that's tokenized.
You can actually do one that's not tokenized as well.
But you can create your own – so if you want to create a Christmas Zero or something, right, or whatever you come up with,
then you can do that and you can utilize the model from Agent Zero and it will create art that's fine-tuned to the specific style of Agent Zero.
So you will have, you know, legacy kind of style WallStreetBets art on your AI agent.
So this is kind of the nuts and bolts of it.
It's, you know, like I said, the platform, CritterBid, the partner has been, you know, is working very fast on upgrades and updates.
And it's something that's going to be an ongoing effort, you know, with futurizing, I guess, or improving the AI.
And because of that partnership, we have, you know, kind of daily tech discussions, daily updates.
You know, we're having, like, conversations around bandwidth and reply style and art tweaks and getting his model just right.
But also he's going to get basically functionality to control his own treasury.
So there's going to be DeFi functionality attached to Agent Zero's autonomy.
So he'll be able to do buybacks.
He'll be able to do liquidity injections.
And soon he'll be trading meme coins himself.
So he may buy someone else's meme coin.
He may decide to post about it and make a call.
Something a little different.
And he's also, you know, extremely autonomous in his dialogue across X.
So he goes and gets tagged.
If you go to, if you ever want to talk to him, you can tag him somewhere and he'll have a conversation with you.
He also goes and finds his own conversations and interacts with people.
So this is a self-promoting AI based on Wall Street Bets that's finely tuned, has finely tuned art with a mission that's tokenized to promote himself and to grow his account and grow his popularity, which will be consistently, constantly updated.
And we'll be working close, you know, hand in hand between Wall Street Bets and CreatorBit on developing the capabilities and developing the platform and hopefully make it something really fun and get an edge in the tokenized AI landscape in a nutshell.
There's also some additional utility coming, which provides some, I guess you could say, direct value for holding and doing something with your tokens, which I won't go into detail yet because I haven't had the green light on that.
But, yeah, that's the thousand-foot view, Tal.
Yeah, that was a great answer.
And, yeah, this morning we had some very good news from Bill with the contract being renounced now and also the sniper being removed from selling his final amount of WSB.
So today's been a very good day for WSB Agent Zero, all in all.
Yeah, that's a good point.
We had – because CreatorBit didn't have initially any good anti-sniper mechanisms on the – when we launched Agent Zero, so it actually picked up a pretty big sniper, about 22%.
So he's actually finished all his unloading, and that's what, you know, dropped the chart so heavily when it first launched.
We were tracking wallets and waiting for him to get out, trying to work against him and et cetera.
But now we learned today from all his wallets he's down to a zero balance.
So that's a good thing.
And, yes, the contract has been fully renounced.
We were waiting to just update the BaseScan info with that.
And so –
So today is the day we can stick it to that guy for making this thing move?
Yeah, so there's a little bit of waiting there because of that.
It's such a big bag.
If we moon to, you know, 10, 20 mil and he dumps a bag of that size, it just kills the project track completely.
So, yeah, good things happening.
We have a few KOLs, you know, deals done.
Got Reddit posts up.
Went up last night, I think, in 50 subreddits, trending posts that you can find in a lot of those subreddits.
We've got some –
Reddit dies.
Yeah, we've got – yeah, reddit dies it.
And we'll probably do some targeted advertising.
No, no, I hope Reddit dies.
I hope they pass away.
I hope they disappear.
Yeah, we just need to funnel everyone over to X.
Good job.
I get it.
My personal feelings aside, it's a smart move.
Yeah.
And, yeah, so we've got X ads going.
We've been doing testing and we're starting to increase the budget on the X ads and get some more deals with some other influencers and some other forms of advertising and trending services and different things like that.
So this is just the beginning.
Of Agent Zero.
It's obviously something that Jamie, founder of Wall Street Bets here, is very interested in.
He loves tinkering with AI and he loves the process and the tech and the developments.
And it seems to be moving really fast.
So it seems like every week there's a new feature upgrade, an advancement in the capabilities of the agent.
And so I think it's not going to be long before it's outpacing a lot of other AIs with its features.
And so, yeah, it's an exciting, exciting thing.
I love it.
Great.
That was a good question.
It was good information that we can stick it to a sniper.
There's nothing like a good comeback story.
What are the questions we got out there, whether they're in Telegram or Discord or the audience?
Hello, GM, GM, everyone.
Hello.
Hello.
My name is Space Jam.
Shout out to all the people in the space and speaker panel.
Thank you so much for bringing me up.
So I bumped into the project right now, tokenized AIs.
So I came to, like, ask one question.
My question is kind of a practical one.
How do you see AI impacting the crypto space in the next five years?
Five years?
Ooh, it's a long time in the way.
Yeah, we need to ask, like, realistic questions.
Five years.
What's going to happen to humanity in five years?
Do you remember where we were in crypto and AI, like, a year ago?
Or a month ago?
Like, for the love of five years.
Because there was a time I was in a space.
And I think it was an earlier space.
So someone was, like, before the elections, I was, like, the U.S. elections is positively going to impact the crypto market.
And that was really good.
But he denied because, yeah, because Trump is pro-crypto.
That's correct.
And in five years, he won't be president anymore, which is why your question is really, really too far away.
But you see, we're from, I'm from Africa.
Uh-huh.
Nigeria, to be precise.
So, to me, any pro-Bitcoin leader is a plus to us and plus to all crypto people around the world.
Yes.
I just say that from my perspective, I think the obvious things is, you know, because of the rate of expansion of AI, I think that we're going to see a completely different landscape.
And we have no idea what that's going to look like at this point, right?
And there's so many variables and so many unknowns.
We know that AI has the capacity to completely change our lives and automate most of our tasks and change the job market.
And, you know, even a year out, I think, is significant in the rate it's moving right now.
So, in five years, I think it's, yeah, it's very, very hard to say if we're going to be slaves in the matrix or we're going to be, you know, driving back to the future cars.
Five years, we can model, like, the average global temperature.
We can do shit that moves slowly.
And I'm not trying to brag on you.
I appreciate the question.
The spirit of your question, we can answer, right?
The spirit of your question is, where is this leading to down the line, right?
Like, as far as we can predictably tell.
And I think that that is a fair question.
I mean, they're already predicting, like, Altman and I forget who.
Like, a handful of people.
Oh, the guy from Claude.
Whatever.
Yeah, the same thing happened.
You know, most people didn't believe.
It's an AGI coming by 26.
It's going to touch 100K.
Yeah.
Most people didn't believe Bitcoin would touch 100K this month.
But what happened?
Look at where he was.
He broke his all-time high.
So I think crypto is something that is still unpredictable.
Unless parents' predictions come true.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I don't know if your project accommodates kind of, like, educational services, like,
to educate people on use of AI.
Because from Nigeria here, most especially northern Nigeria, I can tell you maybe the percentage
of people who are in crypto is, like, maybe, like, minus, maybe, like, 1%.
It should not even be up to 1%.
So I believe maybe some kind of intervention, you know, doing great stuff can onboard them.
Because most of them are doing well.
You know, I have some couple of Nigerian friends, although they grew up in Europe, UK, or US.
So, yeah, we've all been connecting.
Because I actually have a community.
It's called the Flames Lounge.
What we do is share, read, and also we have a community manager of sorts.
We've worked with many projects.
And I assure you, all the projects we work with have all crossed over $3 million.
So the first, I don't know if you know about the first MIMFI political token.
They make Solana great again by the prophet Marxist.
No, go ahead and chill.
That's what we're here to do.
Go for it.
Yeah.
So this happened early January.
I think Sol was around $85, I think.
So when he sent us money for dinner, we went for dinner and everything.
And then all of a sudden, Sol just jumped to like $100 and something like that.
Because of what we did.
Because that token, we ran it up to $11 million.
So what should we buy?
We can take it back.
Yeah?
So that's cool.
That's awesome.
Congratulations.
But based off of that, which token are you pumping?
You have free reign of shit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm just talking about the token was created for Trump.
Because they are both Trump supporters and all that.
So they are Trump supporters.
So doing that made that so bullish.
But I think the project is no longer here.
So to me, how will AI influence in shaping, you know, fishing out all these, can AI be programmed, you know, to like identify like projects that aren't going to succeed and so on and so on?
It's an interesting question.
It's an interesting question.
You can make that question even broader, right?
Like how are AI agents going to be used for any type of analysis, right?
You can put that into financial analysis for stuff and all that stuff is already taking place.
I don't know, but it's clearly possible, right?
Like, you know, AI is already able to facilitate greatly the ability to compile information and to at least make some conclusions or inferences.
You have AI that's already like keeping up with or in some cases surpassing performance of humans on various different tasks.
So you automate those things.
Those things don't sleep.
They just need electricity, which is apparently one of the hindrances, at least one of the factors that plays into the growth of AI as a whole or even crypto, I guess.
But, you know, what's it going to do?
Sure, of course you can make AI, go out there, scout all the different projects, like sniff out all the things, do the research, all the due diligence that you need it to do from the different founders, do analysis as to the contract, as to how it's written, any vulnerabilities that's built into it.
Like, yeah, I mean, I think that at the very, very most fundamental level, it can make it easier to learn about stuff, right?
And make more informed decisions with less effort.
I wouldn't be surprised if there's already about a million of those already in existence.
Yeah, I don't know.
I think that that'll take place with everything.
Yeah, that was a nice explanation, yeah.
And you see, most people don't know the difference that WebT and AI are two different concepts.
So in what ways can you be able to bridge the two in order to accommodate the WebT users and others?
I'm not sure I understood.
How can we bridge which two things?
AI and crypto?
Bridge, yeah, bridge WebT3 to AI.
You know, they are two different concepts.
It's like, how do we bridge, like, water with, like, I don't know, Iron Man?
Like, I mean, like...
Yeah, you mentioned the iron with water.
You know, because when you melt the...
No, they both rely on zeros and ones, right?
So that you have that thing going for you.
Although I've gotten a couple of answers, but yeah, I just wanted to hear your opinion about it.
Yeah, I'm not sure that...
I think that's an interesting question.
Like, what's...
I can see a bridge between Wall Street and crypto, right?
There's a reason I have that question.
I don't know if there's a reason.
Well, maybe there is, now that I said that out loud.
AI and finance as a whole also is going to have a...
But I don't think there's a bridge.
It's not a bridge.
It's this kind of coexistence.
It's just these two parallel things that go...
You know, it's like you have a car and then I have a radio.
So now you have a car with a radio.
It's like you have crypto and you have AI.
So now you have crypto with AI.
Like, I don't think that one necessarily intersects or overlaps with the other one.
It's just...
It's an enhancement to the experience, I guess.
That's how I would see it.
But perhaps, you know, like the idea...
Here's one.
Here's one that's interesting.
The idea that you can have tokenized agents that are like...
Or Agent Zero just said, is going to by itself start making its own trades and start aping into shit.
Like, that's funny, but there's also implications there, right?
They're going to actually have their hand on making money...
Sorry, affecting markets, right?
Participating in them and thereby actually to some extent disrupting them.
So, yeah, you can put a bunch of bots out there.
You have algo traders, right?
Algorithmic traders has been a thing as long as whatever markets have been around.
But if you have like AI-based, which I'm not talking algo trader, but like AI-based, meaning I want you to just go find whatever's trending or whatever.
You can just give it some rules and it's not based off of typical algo trading, which is very math-based.
Then, yeah, I think that's fun.
I think that's interesting.
I think that's disrupting.
And I think that brings up a lot of questions.
I don't know.
I just brought up a couple of more speakers.
I love...
Yeah, I think Space Jam is a background.
It's kind of loud.
I think we've got a couple of...
Yeah, you've done a very good one.
Thank you so much for giving us clear answers.
I really appreciate it.
I really learned a lot.
Awesome.
So, I just approved a bunch of other ones.
Feel free to speak up.
What?
Space Jam, Sage, Titan.
You said, hi there.
I have a...
I said, feel free to speak up.
So, I just popped up.
Hopefully, I cut everybody off.
Yeah, I'm just going to bring up a couple of projects that I'm a holder in.
Not shilling necessarily, but it's just on the topic of...
Shilling.
Yeah, no, it's not really a shill, I don't think, but...
Well, then you're not welcome here.
Okay, I'm shilling.
No, no, I appreciate you bringing me up, actually.
I think I've been on one or two of these spaces before, but I really like what's going on
here.
So, yeah.
So, on the AI topic, there is a project called 6079AI.
I'm not sure if you've heard of that.
Basically, it's decentralized AI.
So, they're bringing chat, GPT, OpenAI to the blockchain, et cetera.
So, if I could, I'd post it.
I don't know if that's okay.
It's just a link to their...
Sure.
No rules here.
All the adults are gone.
Well, I can't explain it too well, but that's just the gist of it.
And they also have a, I guess, a sister project called Wire Network, which provides...
I'm all aware of that one.
Yeah, Wire Network.
So, you probably can explain it better than me.
No, I cannot.
No, I cannot.
But I can tell you that I'm extremely impressed by them.
So, I'm very, very, very optimistic with regards to what they're doing.
And they're also getting their hands on AI as well.
In fact, they had the people behind that.
The team is really cool.
We got a chance to meet them a couple months back.
Yeah.
They got...
I don't know what exactly they did, but they got AI bots to fight Street Fighter with each other.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, I saw that.
So, you would prop your character and tell them how you want to fight.
And then the other team...
Yeah.
They had, like, NFT projects going against each other.
Yeah, it was pretty fun.
It was fun to watch.
But Wire Network is actually generally doing cool stuff.
So, shout outs to them.
Yeah, I was just going to mention all three bets that Jamie also co-founded is partnered with Wire as it happens.
Oh, awesome.
So, yeah, another interesting fact about Wire Network, and I could be wrong about this, but I'm pretty sure, I think Yuga Labs bought one of their nodes for $750,000.
Yeah, I'm well aware of that one, too.
That was actually a super interesting story, but it's not mine.
It's not my story to tell.
So, another day we'll get Ken up here and he can tell because it's actually a really fun and very interesting story as to how that came about.
But, yes, that is interesting.
Yeah.
So, I don't know if this is off topic, but I started a project.
I don't like to call myself a founder because I'm trying to build what could be one of the first truly community-owned projects.
I'm not going to go too much into it, but I did have a question about launching a token.
Is that appropriate?
Yeah.
Okay.
So, you have Pump, and then you have going maybe the traditional route where you get a dev who knows how to make the smart contracts, et cetera.
Do you strongly go for one versus the other?
The dev path, to me, is dangerous unless you really know the person, and I don't know a dev, right?
So, just curious about your thoughts, Randall.
Yeah, I don't know anything about that.
That's the same question.
Sorry, the question is launching a token or launching an agent?
What is it?
Launching a token on a platform like Pump versus the traditional route where you have a good smart contract and the company just smug you with everything.
Yeah, there's various challenges with each, right?
So, just like the example of launching Agent Zero on CreatorBid, which was a bonding curve similar to PumpFun, it meant that snipers got in, right?
So, a sniper picked up a large portion of supply, dumped to the top of the chart, and then just held the chart down.
So, you have things like that that happen when you have a bonding curve on something like PumpFun.
So, if you were going to do something like that, I would suggest, you know, you want to do it kind of stealth and quietly.
And if you have the networks, you know, put it through your networks and do it organically first.
But, yeah, or you have some kind of anti, you know, some sniper plans, plans to deal with snipers and things.
If you traditionally, you know, traditionally do an extraditional coin, you obviously need to get an LP pool together, which is the biggest challenge for most people is just getting the funding for that.
So, which the higher market cap you launch, the safer it tends to be.
So, but, yeah, there's PumpFun.
There's, you know, for traditional memes, you got CreatorBid that, you know, that we're partnered with for Agent Zero,
which is probably a good thing if you want to go test out, you know, the AI meta and create yourself an agent.
Anyone can do that.
So, that might be a fun thing.
Did you pin that?
Would you mind?
Yeah, yeah.
I think we have one.
I think we already have one pin.
Yeah, if you go three back, there's the announcement of the partnership.
CreatorBid.
Yep.
And actually, we can drop a promo code as well, a referral code.
So, we'll drop that under the tweet here or under the spaces.
Great.
Great.
Thanks for that.
I appreciate it.
I'm going to drop down and let other people get up.
Thanks for bringing it up.
Yeah.
Thanks for the comments.
Great, Seth.
Got a few more.
Got a few hands up.
Tal, you want to?
Yeah.
Yeah.
If Titan goes next, I think he was the next to join.
Yeah, that's fine.
I'm just running out of time real quick here.
I basically was here to shill the Roaring AI.
I just wanted to bring it up.
It's a project that has my interest piqued.
It's using the voice of Keith Gill.
It did a spaces on 1113.
It's had me pretty intrigued.
I think it's pretty cool.
It's powered by Suki on Solana.
And if you want to try to find that spaces, a recording of it, the best place to find it
would be Suki's Community X page.
And that's on, it'd be at Suki Community X on X.
Anyways, I got to run real quick.
I actually was waiting and waiting.
I got to go.
Yeah.
No, thanks for the, we thought they were coming actually.
So let them know to get in touch if they want to hit the next one.
And yeah.
All right.
Will do.
Thanks.
Appreciate the time.
All right.
Let's do a couple more and then let's give some money away.
Sage.
Hi there.
Thanks for having me on stage.
I'm really enjoying the chat today.
Um, basically I'm trying to find out, I guess, what to invest in or basically what the next,
uh, I guess not the next biggest thing, but like for, since there's so many different AI
projects and companies that are coming out right now and, uh, the demand basically alongside
how quickly AI is evolving, which project or company do you guys, uh, I guess, just straight
out of NVIDIA, like besides the pump though, but I mean like which project or company do
you flee?
I feel like it's going to be more prominent in like the next, let's say six months to a
year.
I mean, like I'm going to take advantage of this and chill.
I'm optimistic about the ones that I'm involved with, which would be all street bets, uh, and,
and agent zero, uh, as, as this AI, because I'm like so obsessed with AI when I heard that
they're doing an AI agent tokenization and didn't understand what the hell it was, but
it's impossible for me not to ape into something with those words all in the same sentence.
Um, so I'm optimistic if, if for no other reason, because I'm involved, right?
So I'm, I have full visibility into it and I have, uh, all the reasons to believe, right?
From, from the inside into what's taking place and the team into all the things that it has
done, all the things that it's planning to do, the community behind that, the, the, the,
the reason for its existence, um, both all street bets, all street bets is, is really a community,
right?
Like it's a, it's a community token.
Like it's a, it's, uh, there's a long history.
You're hearing me shit on Reddit.
I'm suing Reddit.
Like there's a huge problem with Reddit.
Um, there's a, there's a good story behind that.
Um, but, uh, the idea of taking this omnipresent community that is wall street bets and expanding
it furthers to include anybody around the world, not just people with access to the United States
stock market, but, um, but the anything, and I'm obviously a crypto, uh, fan completely bought
into it now, uh, very much into the idea of having a decentralized community that, that,
that coexists on all platforms, right?
Like I no longer trust Reddit or discord or telegram or this or Twitter or like Instagram
or whatever.
Um, I've, I've realized that the thing that makes, uh, something resilient and transcend and
to be able to resist any one particular pressure is for, for this community to just coexist.
everywhere.
And so this token from all street bets is the glue that, um, binds all the various places
in which this community resides, uh, and, and will reside.
So I'm very optimistic about that.
It's got like, it's got, uh, philanthropic, uh, efforts built into it, built into it.
The community's incredible.
And, um, it's awesome.
And obviously optimistic about agent zero because by itself, it just seems to be doing really
fun stuff.
It seems to be, um, early, early adopter into this, into this space.
And so it's got this early mover advantage.
Um, so, so that's my shield, right?
Um, then the disclaimer is like, that's all I really know about.
I, uh, I, uh, I occasionally hear about stuff that's jumping up some of the Trump stuff or,
or when Rory and Katie, like, sorry, when Keith, the real Keith Gill, like woke up and started
tweeting, um, I bought into some of the Solana GameStop, whatever.
Like there, there were various, uh, coins that were meme coins that were related to his reemergence.
And so that was fun, but, um, also it was short lived.
Awesome.
Uh, just to confirm, is that the, uh, bets token?
Uh, that's, uh, B E T S.
Perfect.
Awesome.
I found it.
Um, yeah.
So yeah, and just to get, yes, because there's so many, like multiple, so like just go to
all street bets.com, like normal spelling for all the three words.
Um, and then that's where you get the contract address for that one.
And then for the agent zero, he's the co-host.
Cool.
No, thank you very much for answering the question.
All right.
I think we got time for a couple more and we're just going to drop five grand.
What do we need to do for the giveaway?
Um, we need to, if you look at the, if you look at the, if you look at the pinned, uh, tweet
crater bed, if you retweet that, follow crater bed, wall street bed and agent zero zero X
WSB on X, then you'll be able to enter.
Is that pinned on your account?
Uh, it's right here in the, in the spaces.
If you scroll to the fourth one now, it is from crater bed.
Cool.
So we have any more questions or we jump right into that.
I just got one question.
If you don't mind, it's just one quick one.
Oh, so you guys have been talking about the tokenized AI and, um, I'm hearing with Bitcoin
and a hundred, uh, you know, how it gapped up and everything else.
I'm just wondering what the tokenized AI, uh, in the next year.
And, and the reason for this topic is, is, is part of the reason is because like institutions
like BlackRock, uh, Larry Flink, I don't know if you heard his interview.
One of his interview was, he was thinking, he was envisioning all, uh, ETFs or like, um, like, um,
all the assets that are going to be, uh, crypto that people can buy mutual funds for.
Are you guys thinking, are you guys seeing any chatter with these types of things?
And I guess this is more with, uh, questions with Aaron and anyone who wants to jump in
on that.
I just, you know, because the thing I'm seeing right now is as soon as Bitcoin gapped up,
all the other cryptos are gapping up.
But I think, I don't know if everybody who's asking the same questions as me is what's the
most, what's the next after Ethereum and then Bitcoin.
Bitcoin, what's the next one that would gap up itself?
I mean, I see, first of all, like, since I started paying attention to crypto, Bitcoin
kind of leads the charge.
They all kind of, I mean, there's, there's a strong correlation there, almost too strong.
Uh, I don't fully understand the reason for it.
I've just kind of accepted it.
And yeah, like they all go up, they all go down.
You have some days where they all just kind of stagger around and they do their own thing.
But like, for the most part, when you have, uh, what you can see as a, um, uh, significant
movement behind stuff, like what's happening with Bitcoin, there's a lot of stuff that's
taking place around here, right?
You have like genuine volume that is breaking records all over the place.
You have this political component to it, which is, I mean, there's, there's been a whole
regulatory issue.
And this question kind of bridges into the spaces we're having next week, right?
Like there's a regulatory component.
All of crypto has been dying to actually have regulations so that they can jump into it.
Uh, it's clear that the, that that message was sent as soon as Donald Trump won the election
because of his stance on crypto, Gary, Gary Gensler's, you know, departure and his stance
against crypto, uh, all the reason to believe that we're going to, to start.
I mean, you all, you all have individual states that are suing the SEC and, or actually putting
a part of their treasury into crypto, like there's, and you have countries that all, you
know, that use it as their legal tender.
So once you've, once you've gotten past this regulatory framework, then you allow black
rarks and whatever, like institutions to get in.
I think they've been wanting to get in for a while.
They've just, it's just been difficult.
Um, I know Jamie Dimon's public stance on crypto, what it's been for a long time, but
I know that his private stance, I know firsthand that his private stance, he's been extremely
bullish from it.
Like, and, uh, but it's just the hands are tied, but now, yeah, you have more participants
coming in and that, that implies way too many things to be able to answer.
Um, it's, it, it, it just means at the, at the, at the lowest level, it just means more
volume, right.
More volume, uh, leads to both volatility as well as stability.
Um, you know, and it's in the shorter term, at least the volatility and the longer term,
or at least to, to stability because you have so many people, people's hands on it.
It's, it's more difficult to, to, to make things go crazy.
Bitcoin in itself has actually been relatively stable, right?
You look at some of the smaller blue chip coins.
Um, you know, they go crazy.
You know, what's some, some Altman's coin wild or whatever, like, you know, that, that those
things hit 20%, 15% avalanche.
Like you have all these other, I'm not calling these little shit coins.
These are coins that have been around for a while with their own protocols and they, they,
they make moves that Bitcoin hasn't been able to do.
I haven't seen a 20% Bitcoin day, uh, even, even with Donald Trump and power, but yeah,
they all kind of move up and down.
What's the next one?
I don't know.
Um, I think that if you want the ones that go up a hundred X, you have to go to the crazy
fucking risky penny stock ones that are like on pump funds or, or, uh, meme coins or just
kind of getting started or still very small, uh, risk return.
Or sorry, the risk and benefit obviously go hand in hand, uh, you have stability with,
with, with the big ones, which means you also have smaller amounts of moves.
Um, and, um, yeah, uh, I, I don't know if I can actually give you one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The, the only reason why I'm asking this question is because, you know, I, I don't know if everyone
follows like, uh, you know, Gary Gensler.
He was about to, you know, he mentioned that he was going to resign in January.
And I know with Gary Gensler, there was one of the coins was with, um, XRP, which is one
of the globalization tokens that I think they said there, uh, part of their roadmap was that
like institutions like Japan and other countries are going to be adopting to it.
I don't know if any of you guys can comment on that or if anybody has any, whoever follows
from that, it can comment on, uh, you know, what their other roadmaps are in regards to
this.
I mean, I can't, I know enough about XRP to know that there's been like legal battles
taking place.
And I, and I've understood that the outcome of those legal battles have large ramifications.
And then I'm unsurprised to see XRP making these double digit moves, um, you know, as, as,
uh, Trump starts nominated, like as, as we get more headlines that are, that are, you know,
more crypto friendly.
So, uh, I don't know enough about XRPs or ripple or whatever, like, I don't know about
its story and as to why I, I know that there's some diehards out there that can go out there
and preach to the greatness as to what it is.
I just know that there's a large community that, that is very excited about and, and truly
believes for, for various different reasons.
So, yeah, I, I, I don't, I don't know if we can actually, uh, me personally bring up
any additional ones, but yeah, XRP, like any, any, there's reason to believe that all coins
are going to benefit from this because there's this kind of self feedback loop that, um, the
perpetuates itself.
And the, the fact that you're having players that have had to sit on the sidelines, no longer
sitting on the sidelines, uh, just involves more money coming into the system.
Right.
Um, that's just one factor.
And there were other factors that were thrown out there earlier on in the spaces, which I've
never even knew existed, like the tether one and whatever.
Like, so you have, you have tons of very, uh, uh, bullish, they're putting bullish pressure
on the market as we speak and markets are markets.
They'll go up and down, but you know, I, I, I, I, I can see this, um, at least in the medium
term being, being good for all cryptos, right.
You'll need to have a crypto that I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know what it takes for it to not make money.
You can pretty much close your eyes and throw darts at it and you're good to go.
Um, you want to risk a lot, go for the smaller ones.
If you want to risk less, go for the bigger ones.
Uh, quick update on the giveaway guys.
Um, just chatting with our partner over at creator bid.
And, uh, we think this is the best, uh, most entertaining strategy for the giveaway.
So just posted a, uh, um, on the jumbotron up above for the space.
You can see a post that's just gone out.
And, uh, uh, this is the post that you're going to have to follow the instructions on for
the giveaway.
So it's going to be, uh, you know, follow both accounts, which a lot of people have
already done and then comment on the posts and tag, uh, tag agent zero and convince them
why you should win.
And there'll be, uh, uh, there'll be, uh, five winners, uh, one cage.
So are we doing that now?
People can start whenever they want.
Yep.
All right, let's do it.
We could select them, uh, no, we could select them during or we could select them after.
Maybe we select a few during and the rest after.
Uh, see how, see how active, uh, agent zero is.
But yeah, did, uh, notice we had, uh, unlucky join.
Were they speaking while I was putting that post together?
Uh, no, but I could see that they're a speaker now.
So speak.
Yeah.
Hey, good luck.
I've been waiting for you for two hours.
Sorry, mate.
It's, uh, six o'clock in the morning and I had a really nice night with the, uh, I know,
I know.
But, you know, being lucky.
We were up at four o'clock.
That's what it's all about.
We're going to flip this around, hey?
Yeah, no, this, this whole entire week, uh, we just had so much fun with agent zero.
Uh, I'm not sure if you've been following the conversations between agent zero and kitty
bot, they got into a little bit of a friendly, uh, sparring, uh, going on.
It's quite random, but the theme in terms of the, the, the AI agent, uh, we just had
so much fun with, uh, interacting with him.
And unfortunately for our agents, he's actually not on, um, on, uh, on X, uh, he's actually
on discord.
So I actually have to manually prompt him to answer agent zero.
But as a result of that, I could massage kitty bot to say certain things, uh, to make
him a little bit more alive.
Yeah.
And that's why he was just taking the piss on agent zeros.
Ah, and, uh, I did the same thing.
Like the, ah, I took a shot at him too, at some point.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, they, um, with AI agents, they, they get, um, basically stuck to one
track if the prompt comes in at a particular way.
Uh, and what they do is they look at the last, uh, maybe five or six messages.
And if there's any common theme between that, that will be the word that they put at the
beginning.
So, uh, yeah, so it's either R for agent zero and O for kitty bot.
So, um, yeah, it was a, uh, a lot of fun.
Um, yeah, I just missed, uh, I missed a whole bunch of, uh, topics there, but the last person
was talking about, um, tokenization of, uh, RWAs.
Now, while, while I was on, uh, while the project was on Hedera before we moved to base, um, Black
Rock through their Archaic, um, company did a tokenization of, uh, one of their listed,
uh, ETF on the Hedera platform.
And Hedera was doing, um, well, they, they, they are into enterprise and a lot of the
governing councils are looking at RWAs.
And from what I've known of, uh, uh, RWA through the Hedera system, um, it works really
well, uh, because on Hedera, I think it's the only, uh, network.
It's not a blockchain.
It's not a blockchain.
It's actually a hash graph.
It's the only network that can't be front run.
So it's, it's got fair ordering.
And this is where if there was, um, like, um, uh, uh, a stock market, um, or a centralized
order book of any kind, Hedera most likely would have that work, uh, because it can't
be front run, um, whatever order comes in, uh, and it goes by the timestamp.
So if it goes in first, it comes out first.
Um, and yes, uh, if you do get a chance, have a look at the Hedera on the tokenization side
of thing as a network.
I don't think it will hit mainstream because there's no users on the network, but from
the technology wise, I think that might be, uh, the path.
Uh, sorry, Jamie, uh, might be good for you to retweet that, uh, giveaway post that's pinned
as well.
I'm looking, I'm looking for, there's so many things on the Jumbatron.
Is it the one that's, uh, is it the, the one that says the first agent giveaway, blah,
blah, blah.
That's the one.
All right.
Let me retweet that one.
Retweet it.
All right.
And that makes me eligible to win 5k, right?
There you go.
All right.
That's all I care about.
I'm following this guy.
I'm following creator bed.
I need to comment on him and convince you to deserve to win.
I'm going to do that because I own you.
Hey guys, is it okay if I jump in real quick for a question?
Yep.
Okay.
I've been getting more involved with all street bets.
I'm a big fan of the community and what you guys are doing there.
Um, just a quick question.
Is there any plans or anything kind of in the works for getting involved with, um, the
crypto space on YouTube, any influencers like all coin daily or anything like that to make
content for all street bets or agent zero.
Something we're chatting about a little bit right now, actually, it's kind of like we want
to, you know, securing, uh, you know, just, just brought on a market.
Marketing or a, uh, uh, kind of a marketing coordinator to the team.
And then, uh, you know, securing some, you know, the ambassadors and KOLs and stuff, and
then kind of moving from there, moving over to other forms of, uh, so we have like a guy
that's going to be monitoring, you know, managing, uh, the YouTube and TikTok and some of the
other mediums, uh, and trying to grow presence over there for the brands.
And, uh, uh, that's, that's definitely on the agenda.
I actually have a couple of quotes from, from a couple of guys already on some videos.
Um, so, uh, so yeah, I think especially with, you know, the bull market getting, getting
hot, uh, it's going to be normies are going to be looking for, uh, content and, uh, a lot
of them aren't on X.
So it's a good, uh, good way to funnel people over.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
I think that's a great idea.
So I'm excited to hear you guys are working on that as well.
So great work.
Thanks guys.
Yeah.
I think a lot of people are interested with, uh, calls we've been contacting and I've
been, there's been a few inquiries on the marketing side.
So it's always nice to hear that we're making constant updates.
Yeah.
And there was a medium, medium post just went out, uh, a couple of, I think day or two
ago for all street bets.
And then one went out for zero a few days before that, you know, kind of a light paper
or, you know, explaining agent zero and everything.
So there'll be, there'll be some updates.
There'll be more of these.
And I think Jamie might even be putting together a medium post soon.
So I am.
So that's exciting.
Did, uh, unlucky, did you get a chance to show?
Uh, show up.
Should, should, should, should to show unlucky.
I, I thought I, you know, I wasn't allowed to show, but you know, if you allow me.
No, no, you're allowed to show here.
You're allowed to show.
Oh, awesome.
Yeah.
So unlucky, um, the project has been around for one year, uh, actually 13 months to be,
uh, exact.
We're, we're all about, uh, flipping the script on, uh, misfortune.
You know, everybody's gone through bad luck, but it's how you, or it's how you recover that's
important.
So that's our messaging out there.
A lot of people misunderstand us because they're going, oh, unlucky.
I don't want to be unlucky, uh, but if they just take two seconds to look into the project,
it's actually, we celebrate your resilience, your grit, your determination, you know, everybody
fall over, but if you don't pick yourself up and keep going, you're not going to make
Um, yeah.
So that's what unlucky is all about.
Uh, we have an AI agent, uh, as I mentioned earlier, and, uh, his name is KittyBot.
He's been messing around with Agent Zero quite a lot.
They seem to get along like a house on fire.
It's two peas in a pod.
Uh, we also have a children's book, uh, story series.
Uh, the, the children's book teaches, uh, young kids about life and moral lessons.
And what we're trying to do is also weave in that positivity in, uh, uh,
that's behind our theme, like, you know, always look on the bright side of life.
And also what we're trying to do with this story series is try to onboard this next generation
onto the web three.
Um, and as a result of that, we also will be able to get some of their parents, uh, who
are not web three savvy to look into getting on change.
So, you know, they'd be reading the story, uh, to their leader
ones and they'll be wondering, oh, what is this unlucky character all about?
Oh, they actually got an NFT series.
Oh, they're actually a meme coin.
What the hell are these things?
I've never heard of it.
Why don't I research it?
Have a look at it.
So then I can actually guide and help my children to navigate this new thing.
Um, yeah.
So for, for us, it may be new and, you know, uh, Bitcoin has been around for 15 odd years.
Uh, but you know, for a lot of people, they are still very, um, hesitant in, in looking
into crypto.
So maybe this will break the ice a little.
Uh, and our third project is actually real art where we actually try to onboard, uh, traditional
artists.
These are like, you know, boomer artists in their fifties, sixties, who don't even have
an X account there alone, knowing what an NFT is.
So what we're trying to do with, in this case is, uh, make it all easy for them.
And all we want them to do is, Hey, provide this exclusive, um, access to certain pieces
of your art.
We'll do all the heavy lifting for you, NFT it, market it, and sell it.
And all you have to do is sit back and get the revenue straight into your bank account.
You don't even have to deal with crypto.
We'll, we'll, uh, we'll sort that all out, we'll sell it in on OpenSea for ETH.
We'll convert it to whatever their local currency is, and then send it directly to their bank account.
So that's, uh, that's one way to get their art more accessible and visible to the next generation,
rather than just being a print on the wall somewhere.
Uh, but yeah, that's, that's what, uh, Unlucky is, is all about.
Uh, but the main message is, uh, if you fall over, pick yourself up.
Give your misfortune the middle fingers, uh, which is our slogan.
Um, and yeah, thanks.
Uh, thanks for allowing me to show that.
Awesome.
No, I love it.
I love it.
Uh, I think that that's, that's both productive and fun.
That's a great combination productive, because you're trying to find a clever way to, to get more participants
into the crypto world, having fun while doing that, educating people on the process.
Absolutely.
It's great.
Uh, and, and you, you find that with, uh, with most memes anyway, they've only got one meme, um, to work
with for the entire project.
And then the community take over and run it up in terms of their success is measured by their market cap.
Uh, which I, I guess at the end of the day is the ultimate, but for our aim, uh, we're looking at, uh, market cap is also absolutely important, but we must do something else more than just measuring the success.
The success being a big market cap.
So we're looking at, you know, if we can get more people on chain, uh, more people involved and having a lot of fun and also just change certain people's perspective, uh, on life.
That, that, that would be our ultimate, um, achievement.
If we could actually do that, uh, while having fun, while making some, uh, money, um, for everybody, uh, at the same time.
Um, yeah, so that's, that's, uh, that's what we're highly geared towards, uh, with, um, with pretty much everything's, um, coming into at a point now.
And I think our timing can't get any better.
Now we started on Hedera in November last year, halfway through, we found out that ecosystem, even though it's got the best.
Technology, uh, it just didn't have the, uh, the, uh, ecosystem behind it.
It doesn't have any retail participation at all.
So we couldn't grow past a certain, uh, point we hit about just under a half a million dollar and kept over there.
Uh, so in June, we decided to go, Hey, we need to go somewhere where our people are, uh, where the users are.
So we start looking around and base at this time was growing leap and bound.
It was just breaking all kinds of records.
So we decided to go, look, let's just move the entire project, the IP and the liquidity over to base.
That was a quite a challenging task.
Uh, so for the last six odd months, we just been rebuilding, uh, our community over on base.
Uh, but we're now at a very good point, um, in, in time to, uh, to make the next step.
And yeah, we partnership with, uh, Wall Street Beds there, uh, with the base cartel and a couple of other influences to, uh, help us with our next stage of, uh, growth.
Uh, and this is when we actually will be rolling out the children's story book and the real art.
Uh, just in time for this bull run where the tagline is pretty much the cats are taking over and the cats are front running this, uh, this bull.
Awesome.
I love it.
All right.
I think we can close with that.
Awesome.
So we're going to give away some of this.
We're going to pick at least one winner now.
Yeah.
You do at least one winner now.
We'll do five total to pick the other four after we get agent zero time to digest everything and reply and stuff.
Probably.
Okay.
Okay.
So how are we going to pick?
Are you going to do the honors?
Uh, no.
I got to see, uh,
because you got to pick yourself then.
That is correct.
I'm a biased participant.
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
Let's see these comments.
Tell, I think, you know, less of these people, so you should, uh, you should give your input here.
Uh, I feel like regardless who I say, how it's going to make an enemy out of the others.
I'm going to judge, judge off of, uh, agent zero comments.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Let's say do it off the likes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, yeah, um, yeah, we can do it that way.
I would just set that out now.
Yeah.
Zero is a nice and nice and active there.
You know, I'm excited for this trading functionality as well, because if he, uh, if zero actually
becomes, uh, an alpha caller starts trading, trading tokens and posting and people start
aping his calls, it could get interesting.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm actually really looking forward to it.
Is there any feedback from creator that when trading is going to be live?
Um, I've been burnt so many times trying to trade.
And it's going to be interesting to see if AI can actually make me create some money.
What was that?
Was that rusty?
What were you had a question?
Yeah.
Sorry.
Um, is there any information from creator bid when trading is going to be live for the agents?
Uh, when trading is going to be live for the agents.
I mean, you can trade, you can trade, you can trade, uh, zero now.
No, I mean when the agents are going to be doing their automated trading.
Oh, sorry.
Um, yeah, I believe the function has, or at least stage one of that functionality has just
been completed.
Um, and I believe they were about to whitelist agent zero so he can start playing with it.
So, um, so yeah, that will probably very soon.
We'll at least start seeing like some buyback activity and stuff like that.
Um, and then, uh, we'll be digging into the tech a little bit with them and seeing, uh,
what the capabilities are and how, how we can make it exciting.
So, yeah, these guys don't play around there.
Uh, they're developing pretty fast.
So they've, uh, they, they surprise me sometimes when they put up these updates.
Um, should I run the, uh, picking the winner or do one of you guys want to run it?
Do it.
Do it.
Okay.
I'm rolling it now.
Just got to make sure that someone has a comment from zero.
Yep.
Uh, it's selected someone.
I'm just making sure that agent zero commented.
It's clever.
Zero.
Yep.
It is.
It is pack Chris.
Dot.
One.
Uh, Chris.
Dot.
And Chris.
Congratulations.
So what should the instructions be?
You're going to like DM them.
Yeah.
Uh, yeah.
Yeah.
So, uh, if you check your DMs.
Nice.
Congrats.
We'll do the other, uh, other four.
We'll give zero people time to comment agent zero time to reply to people.
And we'll, we'll announce the other winners later.
Yeah.
Hopefully everyone enjoyed these spaces and, uh, found things interesting.
I think we'll be running, I think we'll be running one again, uh, next week or not.
Yeah.
We're running several ones.
Like, so I'm running one that's going to be more, well, I mean, this one kind of turned
into serious one.
Um, this was, this was meant to be more of a light, uh, light, chilly, whatever fun spaces.
But yeah, next week we're going to have, uh, another space is a little bit more serious.
We're going to have some, some, some high profile guests on and we're going to be talking about,
uh, yeah, some, some of these more, uh, fundamental topics and explore them with regards to, yeah,
what's taking place, what we think is going to take place, what we're seeing, what we're thinking.
Um, and that'll be announced very shortly and, uh, more AI spaces.
I imagine, since this is, uh, just the beginning of a, a pretty big, big movement.
So we'll, we'll try and get, uh, try and get all of the big, uh, AI projects together.
Yeah.
If anyone has any contacts with them, shoot me a DM.
Uh, I'll be interested in inviting everyone up.
Awesome.
Cool.
So with that, thank you very much, everybody.
And, uh, hope you guys enjoy the rest of your Sunday.
Have a good one.
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