Toknox: Don’t Trust, Tokenize

But maybe you mentioned something that was quite interesting to me and that actually I never knew about until I looked at your website a few months ago when I first learned about you guys is about, you know, what you just mentioned of the European Blockchain Sandbox.

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Can you just explain a little more on there?

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Like how did that come to be?

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How was that process like?

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And when was it?

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About the European Blockchain Sandbox.

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Now we are in the first cohort.

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So just 20 use cases are selected.

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And just two about similar use cases about notarization.

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It's very interesting to be there, both for Dedit and for Toknox, because we are, we have the opportunity to talk with more than 40 regulatorists.

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And so how it works, there is the selection.

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European Commission is behind.

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You are, there is a partnership with Birds and Birds, a very important law firm.

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And so you have the opportunity to present some questions or some issues for your technologies and how should be regulated in the future, because now we have ADAS, that is the Identity Digital Regulament in the EU.

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And now we will release ADAS 2.0 and other acts and the laws are coming, are coming with the new regulation.

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So we can take care of different points and different point of view with a legal approach, with a European and regulatory approach.

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So it's, we just started.

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So the, the, the, the, the meeting are confidential, so I can, I cannot spoil the, the, the regulatory that participate in our meetings, but now we are just started the meetings and every meeting has a, a list of questions for our tech side, the legal side, the regulatory side.

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It's very interesting to be there to evolve, but to improve our solution.

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That is incredible.

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And just very quickly, just a friendly reminder that, hey, I understand a lot of the stuff is super private, but just to rest assured that this is a very private Twitter spaces.

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Okay.

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It's only us and a few thousand people in the Algo fam.

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So feel free to drop any alpha that you may want.

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Okay.

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But sorry, I mean, you're going to say something.

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Yeah.

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Fred is always just trying, always trying a little bit to get, get the alpha.

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No.

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So, um, so I was curious, um, cause this idea of kind of, you know, talk knocks kind of building on top of what you guys learned on, uh, with that, it, I was curious if you guys can talk a little bit about, uh, what the product, you know, how, uh, how you guys are thinking about the product, uh, for talk knocks going forward, especially as you're having all these different conversations.

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What are some of the learnings that you've had from data that you guys are looking to kind of implement, uh, with talk knocks?

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So, uh, from a strategic side, uh, we think that, uh, uh, that it is a, is a good product, as I said before.

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And so we have to, to live on the market, uh, and to improve, to, to, to, to fix the bugs, uh, introduce new features on data, of course.

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But notarization is not enough for, uh, for manage token and to go forward in a web three solution.

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Uh, so I, I think that the different features, so starting from the UX UI, talk knocks, uh, that it is very, uh, it's smooth, smoothiest for, uh, for just the notarization.

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And, and you have, uh, uh, for every, uh, for, for, for every validation, how, how that it works.

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So you can upload the file and you can ask for an authorization, for, uh, for an authorization or for a validation.

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So a signature, and we, uh, we achieved the advanced electronic signature status in Italy with, uh, with the digital, with the speed that is, uh, the digital identity provider.

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Uh, and so it works very well.

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We work with the, with the banks, for example, with the qualified, uh, with the qualified issuer and so on.

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Very, very solid customer base.

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But we have, uh, a lot of notarization and transaction on the chain.

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With the, with the tokenization, we can collect all the, the, the notarization in just one token.

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We are going to use, uh, we use, uh, RC-19, so an upgradable token, uh, that, uh, allow us to have all the history of a document, for example, into a token.

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And this, um, uh, and the, and that give us an improved management and improved, uh, user experience because you can manage the token that you can redeem on your, uh, on the user wallet.

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So you don't have to trust neither the platform.

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You just, uh, trust the token and the blockchain.

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So this is the, our claim and don't, uh, don't trust tokenize it.

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Uh, and then we, now we want to solve the same problem, uh, related to the document management.

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That is a market that now it's estimated to grow up, uh, 17.5 billion in 2027.

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Uh, but now we have, uh, a new technology.

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So we have, uh, the token that could be managed, uh, also for the real world asset, uh, field, for example.

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And then in addition, we have token, so we can store both in the cloud because we don't, uh, to be blockchain maximalists.

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We don't, we want to integrate the, um, the best technologies in our platform.

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So we, we, we also, we have designed, uh, cloud storage, uh, for the moment, I think, uh, AWS is the most used and, uh, also EPFS with Filecoin.

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Then Simone can, could, uh, explain better, uh, all the technological side, but it's very, it's, uh, uh, another kind of, of technology.

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Also the, the UX UI was redesigned and you have more voices in the dashboard.

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You can manage better, so you can create different white labels for different purposes.

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So you can, uh, design the path of validation, for example, and so you can give to, uh, white label users.

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So it's, uh, started from zero, uh, but there is one advantage.

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One is the European blockchain sandbox selection.

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Of course, the other one is that we don't start from zero because it could be a good solution for the customer, for the dedicated customer base.

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So they can decide to, uh, to improve their, uh, uh, their solution with, uh, more web three oriented one that is stock knocks, uh, or using the edit and all the other prospects that we have as a blockchain Italia, as the software house, we can decide, uh, among two different solutions.

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So one is more web two oriented and the other one could be, uh, improved in the time in our roadmap, uh, uh, more and more in the future.

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So this is incredible.

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Thanks for sharing, Alessandro.

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And again, I have so many follow-up questions and I think I'm going to have a few questions very quickly, uh, very soon for Simani on the tech, but, uh, just on the actual use cases that you have had so far, both for talk knocks and also, of course, for, for that, it's coming before that.

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Can you share with us, uh, just like maybe some hope, some, like, like who, who some of your clients were, like who worked with in the past, what kind of work you did for them?

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I think it would be nice just to get some context around that.

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So about the use cases, uh, but the use cases, so as I mentioned that we have a lot of use cases in, uh, in Dedit, uh, we work, for example, one use case, uh, is a white label for the banks.

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So we work with BNP Paribas, uh, a special, uh, a special branch in Italy that is called BNL, uh, from the BNP Paribas group.

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And we work with, uh, a bunch of files and documents with, uh, uh, uh, different, uh, workflows.

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And so the bank upload, uh, a document and then ask with the speed integration.

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So with, uh, a national identity, digital identity provider, uh, for, uh, have a sign on this document and they, uh, and they introduce for four or five different, uh, workflow.

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Uh, on, uh, on, on Toknox, uh, another use case with the API, for example, with Auditel, uh, that is also related to Dedit.

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Uh, with, uh, with the API, it's that the Auditel that is a company that collect TV, TV and audio shares as to collect, uh, many data and many information every day.

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Uh, and with the truth API, so automatically, uh, they can collect this file with the Dedit integration.

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Uh, the same use cases could be, could be bring, uh, brought on, uh, on Toknox, of course, but we are going to design with the new customers.

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Now, just, we are just, uh, released the MVP, but we already are talking with, uh, a, a, a, a, a bunch of customers related to, uh, customized pets.

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So for example, you can upload a certificate and you have two different points of validation about the, the candidate, for example, of the, uh, academy and, uh, and so on.

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And this kind of path could be applied, applyable in, uh, in every field.

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Because if you want to certificate something, you can have, uh, businesses or, uh, I don't know, uh, different bodies that can, uh, um, that can validate a certificate.

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So a token in this case, and, and you can change the status of the token and the status of the token maybe could be a certificate, a real estate share or a bond.

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Uh, now we are focused on the technology, technological solution on the platform, but we already are going to ideate with some customer customized pets.

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This is incredible.

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Thanks for all the background.

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So I want to ask Simone some questions on the tech side.

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So Alessandro just mentioned that you guys made an implementation of the current tokenization platform using the Arc 19 standard, correct?

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If, if I heard correctly, can you just walk us like basically through the, through like the technical aspects of the project, how you build, if you only have an Arc 19 implementation,

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or if you also have maybe a separate implementation for a different use case, you know, just walk us through the tech basically.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Uh, as Alessandro said, we use the Arc 19 standard, uh, for, uh, Doc Knox.

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And this is right now the only Arc we use cause, uh, it allows mutability of the asset metadata.

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And, uh, we did, uh, we can create our token and having, uh, an historical, uh, um, transaction of it.

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But, uh, uh, at the same time we can, um, um, um, make, uh, mutate the, um, metadata and that, for example, the signature and the signer to the tokenization.

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So after, uh, we create the asset, uh, signatures by the users can be added to the metadata.

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And we, the Arc 19 is perfect cause, uh, uh, it allows us, uh, to, um, mutate the asset very easily.

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So that's it got it.

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Thanks.

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And just to make sure that I understand correctly when Alessandro was mentioning before.

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So, you know, as you were, you're into, you know, as you started tokenizing, like notarizing a, a file, for example, you can then choose whether you want to upload this to like, you know, IPFS or, or you want to go just like the central, centralized route through say an AWS server.

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Is that correct?

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So you can choose where you want to save.

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Exactly.

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Exactly.

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When, uh, after the user upload the file on the platform, uh, they can choose, uh, uh, whether they want to store the file and they have two options.

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One is the cloud storage, a classic cloud storage.

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And the other one is a, uh, decentralized storage.

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They can even, uh, decide to store on both of them.

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And, um, after it, uh, we encrypt the file and, uh, we upload, uh, on, um, the storage.

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They decided.

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And in the case of decentralized storage, we use, uh, IPFS and the file coin file coin for persistency of, uh, the file storage and the APFS for a more, uh, reliable and fast access to the file.

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Yeah.

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Fantastic.

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Thanks.

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Thanks.

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Thanks for the clarification.

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And then maybe one final question on this, but it can be tackled by either you or, or whoever prefers is that, do you already have any, like any metrics of usage so far that you can share with us?

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No, no, no, no, we, we don't have metrics because we are just on testnet that we don't release, uh, uh, the product that we are going to release in the, in the next quarter.

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Maybe, uh, better to test, uh, internally, but, uh, we don't have metrics about, uh, about, uh, Toklux.

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So something about, about, uh, debit, if you want, uh, I can show you for, uh, for example, in, in the use, in, in a single use case, for example, in the bank one.

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Uh, we, we have, uh, uh, uh, um, uh, let me, let me recall it.

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Uh, we, we, we solve the, the time of, uh, uh, the, the, the, the, the line of the, um, uh, the conclusion of the, the, the, the flow because most often are the signature of a document.

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of a document and so we have we can see that with this uh solution we can bring the deadline

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within the uh 48 hours in some case 24 hours rather than more than two weeks we have

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uh an application rate about 85 percent uh more satisfaction about customers that are using a

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blockchain solution but with uh web2 approach and uh and so we are not related to the transaction we

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have more more uh more and more transaction with auditel uh that is the customers as i said before

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that collect uh that collect data for tivo and audio shares but in the case of the bank we recognize

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that is a tangible uh advantage also for the customer for the end user speaking of the end

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user i was curious as you guys think about rolling this out you know from test that to mainnet and

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getting get it getting the product out there to the market who are you guys like who would you say

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is your target uh customer is it the end user or is it the banks or you know the enterprises that we

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that need their users to get some of these documents uh notarized and i know that's specific to to

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to debt it and you guys are you know building a more generalized platform for tokenization but

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i'm curious how you want to think about your platform in terms of like is it a b2b or b2b to c or b2c

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so the when i talk about uh end user i will i i was uh refer about the end user of white label so b2b

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uh b2b to c but in general our business model is flexible because we uh we are going to replicate

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in part of that business model so we provide we will provide because are not online now we will

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provide different membership plans so everyone can join the platform is our with a web app and can

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join and can subscribe the uh the plan and so we will be membership plan for the user that want to

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uh tokenize uh for its own for example uh a patent or an idea or something like that or just a few

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uh tokenization and b2b model always in the web app then i think the most relevant part is customize

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or white label customized version or white label because in our experience uh more and more we were

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uh there is uh more and more the request of uh customized pads or customized workflows as i mentioned

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before in the uh in the certification example uh and so there is i think the the most important request

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and the last one is the api integration so we wanted to uh to give the our products as a software as a

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service in uh and uh tokenization as a service because we can see that most often the the businesses the

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corporates already have uh their crm or their software and they just wanted to add a new level of security

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and we can give them this level of security with organization with blockchain integration maybe just

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with the with the with the notarization so we can decide in base of the needs uh basis of in basis of

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the needs but uh but of course the that could be a flexible model model model because the tokenization

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will be uh the most important uh blockchain uh integration in the future and i think that will cover

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all the fields so we have to build the the best infrastructure the best platform to tokenize and

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to give this service in all the ways we can do and we can give to our users

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this is amazing all right you got me excited what are you guys planning to launch on mainnet

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you think it's gonna be by the end of this quarter now uh we we have to ask to our cto

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oh all right no joking joking we are we are testing uh some fisheries now and uh like uh not

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not all the fisheries are uh are developed uh so we are doing some tests and we are in roadmap

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the q3 of this year uh for the official launch amazing so basically what i heard is that there's there

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might be something ready already that we can uh showcase at the cypher in a few months is that

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correct of course it's our deadline i cannot miss it fantastic all right and well i think the you

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already answered my question but uh i'm gonna be seeing you both at the cypher this year right

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sure yes we will see that fantastic all right so i'll work closely with you guys so we can make

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sure that you know you can showcase uh your solution you know to the rest of the the builder ecosystem

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on our right but uh alessandro let me let me go back to something that you mentioned maybe 20 minutes

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ago that i thought it was quite interesting and we i don't think we gave enough so i forgot it

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so uh you mentioned that you guys participated in ces earlier this year right the consumer electronics

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show in vegas how was it oh impressive uh it was my first time in in vegas and uh we uh so i don't

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know if you if you know cs we we showcase our mvp so you you can join uh you can uh go to our website

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there is uh the video and we can also provide if you some one of you are is interesting we can provide

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some credentials i think because you want to uh we maybe we can give some credential to prove to try

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our uh our our platform so this yes it's a it's huge it's a huge uh uh conference and there is a two

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uh two two different buildings it's like uh uh not all in the same in the same building we were at the

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venetian uh venetian palace uh and all the startups from different countries were in this huge space i

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think it was uh no i think the part where we uh where was the the parking of the venetian uh very very

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very big and there are there were other two or three floors and then there there were other four

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pavilions for the big tech like samsung lg and so you can find everything that you can find

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blockchain innovation products uh smart glasses uh everything it's very interesting there is some

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investor it's a little bit difficult for a software house so for us for a software in general because

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you i think the public the audience is expected to to to see a product uh so something like and so

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uh uh some glasses or robots or something you can see you can touch so it's a little bit more

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difficult to explain uh to explain something on blockchain but we were not alone there were other

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projects and we we prepared our video our introduction we made some interview some side events it was it was fun

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that's awesome to hear thanks for sharing and i do have a few extra you know questions i want to ask

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you but just as a friendly reminder to the algo fam you know you are all used to these twitter spaces

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that we try to do as often as we can we're going to open very soon to take on some community questions

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so if there's anything that you want to ask you know the talk nox team just hit the mic request button

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and then i'll bring you to the speaker board shortly okay uh but so another uh another thing that i saw

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on the website when i was browsing some time ago is the vodafone mentoring program can you tell us a

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little bit more like what was that all about or if that's still going oh thank you for thank you for

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the question i'm going to for to forget to mention vodafone we just enrolled in the vodafone mentorship

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program uh from the the the portuguese uh uh the portuguese uh at quarter and uh we just started we

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have the second meeting tomorrow uh we we join we are very happy to join for business purposes we think

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because uh you know uh we are in the web three space it's very different all the uh all the values

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uh all the for example the marketing funnel uh the the b2b uh pro um positioning and so i i think

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it could be very interesting for us because we can merge the european blockchain sandbox path with the

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all the legal uh advisory with the vodafone that of course it's uh it's a big player on the market with

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the uh with the professional uh professional mentors that can lead us to to have a wide perspective

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related to the for example the price positioning what the business user is looking for and go to

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market strategy that because it is very different for example with the with the folks finances web 3

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solution uh community driven now we are going to to uh to have a different uh different man benchmark

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different uh different players in the same field because maybe you have the tokenization but you're

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looking just for improve your digital process or authenticate your data so you have to uh to compare

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all the needs and uh partner and the mentorship program with vodafone having vodafone from your

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side to to give uh uh to give you uh expertise and knowledge uh it it it's it's uh of course certainly

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a value for us that is amazing congratulations to you guys for leading this and until when is this program

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going to run uh it lasts three months uh three months and you have the connection you can move on

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later than three months but there there are different opportunities so some connection with

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investors they they don't give you money just mentorship but they create connection with mentors

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bc and some perks like uh program or software discount for free so in general it's it's a path that that

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i think it's worth uh to to main gotcha thanks that's super exciting all right well i'm almost running out of

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questions but i still have a few but we're about to to you know switch gears and go into roadmap you know

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what's going to come in the future i know you have already alluded or said some of the things

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in the features you might be working on but just before i do so just another reminder for the algo

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fan if anybody has any questions uh to ask the team live now just hit the mic request button and uh

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min because i i've been asking lots of questions i don't know if there's anything in particular you

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want to ask the team you know i i had i had a quick one because as i was listening to you know what

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alessandro's the roadmap and all the stuff that you guys are doing and simone i know you guys have been

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super busy on the tech side i was curious how big is the team that's working on talknox now

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is it just the two of you you guys have others supporting you

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so uh the team it's quite extensive but not uh at the moment not focused on only on talknox so

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uh we are about 10 people but now we work also with the software also so the focus is to uh to have a

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focus team uh just for the product but because in our experience is better to uh to focus in the

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one project now we are going different sides uh and so that that's the reason why we are in early

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stage now we join the we introduce stocknox in the european blockchain sandbox and we joined the

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voda for mentorship program uh we are going now to to raise funds to have our uh our independence from

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from the software house of course we already supported the the software house with the the dev team and

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with a strategic side but we wanted to create at least for the marketing side uh to work just on the

0:38:22 - 0:38:31

uh tocnox fisheries i love that yeah i'm a hundred percent a hundred percent uh with you on the need

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to focus um and the need to kind of you know i think you um you really need to like think about this

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all day and all night and uh you know think about all the questions and all the challenges and

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all that stuff in order to really make it into its own and to and have it to be sort of the self-sustaining

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uh product that grows so i um i congratulate you uh in making that choice making that decision you

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know to uh to to go all in on this and um very excited to hear uh and to see how things go it's

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it's it's great awesome thanks for the question man uh all right so alessandro what is the roadmap

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and again i know you already mentioned a lot of it throughout the conversation but just like you know

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in one go so what's coming up soon so um our roadmap it's quite simple for 2024 so we wanted to test our

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solution uh release a beta version test again and then go to the market with the official launch then

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we hopefully release we will release in the end of the year uh new features that we already have

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uh taught and designed like uh smart contract new features we want to move on on um on a full

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tokenization platform so in the first instance we want to take the document management market because

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we already are in it uh with edit so we want to improve our solution and give an alternative or an

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improvement to our customer base or to the new ones to the prospect and then we want to uh to go and

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build uh continuously on our platform to uh to introduce uh blockchain features so smart contract

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maybe for uh for managing the tokenization or for manage uh also other assets and also ux

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features for example just like i mentioned a couple of them uh a pdf editor templates for the uh templates

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for for for right documents uh for uh for manage them to notarize or to tokenize uh different versions

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and then we want to uh introduce uh new digital identity solution uh with uh uh wide validation

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uh at least in the european union and uh we are working on different uh on different side different

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fields uh we are talking with uh with uh a lot of uh uh we are studying we are not talking we are

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studying uh different solutions okay we see kyb uh and new integration something will be released

0:41:23 - 0:41:26

something will be spoiled but we are working on it

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do you like the sound nice yes just an incredible road back i am so thrilled i mean this is going to be

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like extremely exciting cannot wait you know for you guys to continue building and delivering all this

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of course you know keep us posted we cannot wait to try this out and simone i mean alessandro already

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said the word in the public you know recorded tour spaces so you're going to be so expect an email

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an email from me very shortly after this space is over asking for a credential so you can try things

0:42:01 - 0:42:07

out okay uh but honestly i think we covered everything that i that i wanted to ask you guys

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today this is a great spaces i learned so much i don't know if min do you have any any parting questions

0:42:12 - 0:42:20

any parting words no not at all uh other than just being excited to see what you guys do and keep us

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posted in your journey as you embark on the entrepreneur independence if you will uh in this

0:42:25 - 0:42:35

entrepreneurial uh journey and um we would love i i love this idea of tokenization as a service tasks

0:42:35 - 0:42:38

i think we should make that a thing so i'm psyched to see that as well

0:42:41 - 0:42:47

this is incredible thanks man and all right alessandro so before we leave just one final question uh for you

0:42:47 - 0:42:52

is that uh i definitely asked you lots of questions today but is there anything that i didn't ask like

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me and i we didn't ask that you want to share with our brand foundation uh with our you know with us the

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team or you know the algo fam or you know everybody that's listening to us uh sorry i didn't get you

0:43:08 - 0:43:13

hey no yeah let me let me ask again so you know i just i think i covered it all that i wanted to cover

0:43:13 - 0:43:18

today but i just want to ask you if there's anything that i didn't ask you today that you

0:43:18 - 0:43:25

want to share you know so this is this is your your space okay okay okay so you know now uh i think

0:43:25 - 0:43:35

we cover all the things um maybe i can introduce just one thing on the roadmap so uh we talk about

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that we talk about tokenox and the document management market and what we are going to solve in

0:43:41 - 0:43:50

in this uh in the short period but i think that tokenox uh thanks to an constant improvement constant

0:43:50 - 0:43:58

building uh could be offered in the future we are studying also for this uh web tree solution so i

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think that we have all the instruments for uh and the tools for uh for give a web tree approach to

0:44:05 - 0:44:13

these uh to this platform and we are going and i think it could be the aim for 2025 so that's the the

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only question maybe was missing to the to the space all right that is amazing alessandro simone

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and me once again thank you so much for joining today i truly enjoyed this chat i learned a lot i'm

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very excited about everything that you're building and i cannot wait you know to see you demo this at

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the cypher and of course you know roll out to the public and start attracting customers so thank

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you so much all three of you for taking the time and joining the spaces to them i want to thank the

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algo fam everybody that joined us live during the studio spaces during the last 45 minutes or so

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and of course all the hundreds and thousands of you who always catch the recording you know in the

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days to come thank you so much everybody for their time it's been a pleasure thanks man thanks alessandro

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thanks money thank you very much thanks everyone thank you everyone see you in the cypher then yeah

0:45:04 - 0:45:10

see you at the cypher yes yes see you there and then one final call to action to all augerine builders

0:45:10 - 0:45:16

if you still haven't applied to attend the cypher apply now okay we're almost running out of bursaries

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and tickets for builders so this is the time you know do it now but i i know 95 or more already have

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applied so i'm super excited about everybody they confirmed but this is your you know your last

0:45:26 - 0:45:33

chance apply now i'll go fam thank you have a great morning thank you everyone whatever you are see

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you soon bye bye bye bye thank you bye

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