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Tools You Need to Know in Gaming
Recorded: April 16, 2025 Duration: 1:49:03Space Recording
Short Summary
The conversation delves into the evolving landscape of gaming and crypto, highlighting partnerships, trends in tool usage, and the importance of security and analytics in enhancing productivity. Key topics include the growth of new projects, the need for skilled hires, and the potential for innovative token launches.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. all right all right all right arcaders we are back on the mic let's see those heart emojis to kick off this discussion guys it's literally been two weeks and I actually felt
nervous within my soul I questioned whether I have what it takes to host a space because it's two weeks, we are back and we are discussing something that is emerging, possibly as a
new renaissance in gaming, and that is tooling. As bigger tradition, we love to slowly snowball into the discussion.
And the icebreaker we have, which will enlighten us more on our panelists, is, guys, which
tools are you guys currently using day to day?
And we're going to kick it off with Satchoise.
Satchoise, hola.
Hola, mi brother.
Welcome back.
It's a pleasure to have you back.
I've been missing you these past two weeks.
I know you've been traveling across the globe.
So I'm really excited to listen, you know, to some of the updates.
Share us a little bit of how the experience was.
I know you were visiting some Asian countries.
But yeah, drop us the alpha.
And from my end, device that I always use is my computer.
It might be a particular computer, but it gets the job done.
Different software, sometimes support for research from different kinds of AIs.
But yes, the pieces the one cooking the most I think
the basic tools for anybody in Web3 an ex account and a dream as Icy would say shout out to him and
for sure you need to have telegram because it's where most of the network is happening but if
we're talking gaming my PC is coming soon like the laptop wasn't back
but DeFi
started out and now he's shipping a mini
PC but it's a mini beast
with a super processor
and like 34 gigs
of RAM and one third of
hard drive and a RTX
4060 so I'm going to be cooking
soon my man but thank you for having us
thank you for hosting me It's a pleasure to share
the stage with the legends and to see all
of the VEGA community. I'll do my best to
hop into the Discord and engage
with the guys too. I miss them as well.
Oh, for sure.
I'm also going to have my eyes
in the Discord and totally
forget what's happening
here because we always have our
mini Twitter space discussion within the Discord.
So thanks for giving that a shout out.
My friend, my travels were nothing but getting harassed by a migration's left, right and center.
That is a nutshell of my traveling experience.
And I like how you've already started somewhat expanding this discussion.
You've spoken about your PC.
When we say tools, essentially we're talking about a large spectrum of items that enhance your productivity.
So thank you for mentioning that.
We have AI power tools, marketing tools, analytical tools.
And we want to know, panelists, just as we crack the ice, which tools are you currently using day to day?
Lito, I love that your hand is up.
That's the bigger energy please the floor what's up
it's great to talk to y'all how are y'all doing uh of course definitely a computer is great you
know like that that's great pc master race you know what i'm saying but uh this is something
that may not be a first thought in many uh but something that really enhances your gaming experience a tool
for that is friends friends will let's say let's for example say repo a horror survival game you
can have up to what something like 10 people in there let me tell you a single player experience
versus a multiplayer experience especially when you're playing with people who you like and enjoy being around, it will make the experience so much more enjoyable. How do you make friends?
Play games. Be on Twitter. Get on spaces like these. Meet people who you have things in common
with. But you really don't want to be, you can't play single player games, but finding a group of like-minded people who share like your same taste for games, your same, you know, whatever.
That is a tool that can really help improve your gaming experience.
Okay, okay.
I like this.
We are expanding further the definition of tools.
Arcaders, I want to wanna challenge that thought what do you guys
think do you guys think friends fall into that category because i agree but at the same time i
can understand that it's it's that blurry area right but for sure want to be gaming with your homies, Arcadas, just to maybe say this from the bottom of my heart,
you guys make my gaming experience much, much better.
So thanks, Lito.
Thanks for mentioning that.
Let's head over next to Ukin.
Ukin, it's been a minute since you've been here.
Welcome back.
Which tools are you using
day-to-day to enhance your productivity and you're a content creator so please let's also
hear that perspective hello uh i'm back again it's been a bit but uh shout out to you guys
all the beautiful people here uh goats legends in the audience as well.
Yeah, I mean, we're talking about gaming itself.
There's so many tools out there now that you can play video games, right?
You can play it on Netflix.
You can play it on YouTube.
You can play it pretty much anywhere, right?
On your phone, whatever it is.
Content creating, though, there's a lot of tools.
And if you're not utilizing your tools
on just learning how to get better and learning analytics.
I think one of the biggest things that I've learned
in content creating is looking at analytics. I post on YouTube,
I post on TikTok, I post on Instagram, you know, and I'm live stream on multiple platforms. I just
finished 15 days of being live for 24 hours a day. And so analytically, I'm looking at all
those stats out there, what did well during this, you this you know certain times like what could be a
good time for me to start you know doing more scheduled streaming so um you know obviously
having the right setup uh i think also too is just um if you if you get in a position where
um you're unsure how to content create you know you can look at other people and help help them guide you uh one of the
things that i really enjoyed during the 24-hour streams was i actually i've been helping out
people how to concentrate and um and they get to view what what what uh tools that i use for
instance uh like cap cut is a really good software for anyone to use, especially on their phone,
on the computer. I use Adobe Premiere as well. So I showcase a lot of Adobe Premiere
aspects of it because I love Adobe and I know people that work at Adobe as well.
And then Photoshop, learn how to make thumbnails, right? So content creating is a really big,
So content creating is a really big, it's a really big pool or, you know, job that, you know, doesn't, sometimes people say it's not a job, but you treat it like a job, right?
But overall, you have to utilize everything, even chat, GBT, right? Make it sound like your own,
but utilize those assets on what everyone is able to use.
Even if they tell you don't use it, utilize it. I guarantee your biggest content creator,
your biggest people on the space
are utilizing those tools to help them further their career,
their day-to-day stuff you know just to simplify everything uh because everything in general right now is just so hectic
right so uh if it makes it much easier for you to make content if it makes it much easier for you to
be a gamer or just a game on so on so many things utilize as many tools as you can uh because it
will get you farther in gaming,
and then obviously with other stuff as well.
Appreciate you.
I appreciate you.
Arcaders, if you haven't followed Ukin,
after that really breathtaking take,
you need to follow him.
And I love that you spoke about analytical tools.
As soon as you said you look at your analytics, I was like, oh, nobody likes accountability in Web3.
Let's talk about it.
That just came to mind.
And we have to look at the numbers, not just the fabricated numbers, but the actual data from our users, because that will help us expand in the right, meaningful way.
So I love that.
You've thrown in that ChatGBT.
Arcadis, I'm sure you guys are using ChatGBT on a daily.
using chat gbt on a daily cup cut photoshop those are really really good tools to enhance
Cupcut, Photoshop.
your productivity in gaming thanks for mentioning them we're gonna go to kai then we're gonna come
to you defy zoo appreciate the hands being raised kai welcome what's up big appreciate you having me I've always been a big fan I
love your hosting style so I've always been you know lurking around if not
although I've been here in different faces but I'm gonna use a different
account here um no I yeah exactly like using these tools that we have every day
like chat GPT a lot of my thumbnails and pictures or content or even just
like descriptions um or even coding for games that i'm developing right now i use chat gpt as like a
basis uh for flappy bird so like um tools like canva i use everyday um tools like uh i use twitter
score if i'm you know trying to find out who who actually has a high score rather than a lot of these fake VCs that are constantly hitting me up on other accounts.
And then using like Social Blade to track analytics.
You know, of course, X using their analytics of premium, you know, that's number one.
analytics of premium you know that's number one and then tools wise outside
like Capcom like mentioned there's some tools I use for Linux because I use
Linux if there's any Linux users out there but I do have some
which I use Kaden live I mean it's it's a simple tool, but, you know,
if you want to create video and content, like,
outside of, like, Windows and Mac OS,
I know I use all three, basically,
because you kind of have to if you're going to use Linux.
OBS, obviously, is a huge play.
You know, everyone that wants to broadcast their content,
you know, OBS has been, like, been like, or Streamlabs as well.
And then I guess in the tool sense of gaming, I've used emulation if you're into that.
Any device that these days, especially any computer, can run emulation.
And like Steam Deck 100% yeah yeah I love that thanks no Steam Deck is a I would say the biggest innovation I want to say for mobile gaming
especially if you want to play any emulators that huge. And then even like old devices like Switch
or stuff like that,
like you can jailbreak them and unlock them for their uses.
So for gaming wise, I think, you know,
if you're using Windows, obviously it's like,
you're gonna have the most best case scenario
to run games using Mac OS.
There's a lot of compatibility now,
but they're using Linux. You're gonna have to use a lot of sandboxing and a lot of, you know, I guess VMware parallels kind of type of virtual.
Can I ask you a question about Linux real quick?
Gaming on Linux.
Oh, that's difficult.
So have you experimented with the uh the steam os at all uh because i know that's
like popular on the uh on the handheld like rog ally and like these like uh so the the new the
new chips that are coming out i guarantee you there's going to be a steam deck like pro coming
out soon that's like a thousand bucks and it's going to have the amd it's going to have the AMD AI HX processor.
It's this crazy new APU chip that basically it's a processor, CPU, and GPU combined,
but they've finally figured out how to make them powerful enough,
and these ones are going to be like four times more.
They're already out. They're just more expensive now like the the cheapest ones are like a thousand bucks
or like they're getting down to like 900 for like a mini pc or something like with them in it right
um but yeah um they're it's pretty cool how they're getting all this power into like a tiny
package and then we're going to get more of these handheld devices.
I was just curious if you've messed around with the Steam OS,
because basically what it sounds like is they're using their own version of Linux
or something where they broke it down and made it super efficient
so it can play the games and not have all like the bloatware that you see
with like Windows and other,
even like other Linux builds probably, right?
Yeah, it's almost emulation,
but they use like custom drivers,
they're Linux compatible.
And it is still like,
it is as efficient as it can be, you know,
cause Linux drivers are pretty difficult for graphics cards.
But yeah, I've played it a little bit um i don't have a steam deck on hand but um i've tried
to see what i was saying was on like a regular linux device you can install steam os right yeah
like you can even make it like another partition on your like hard drive or something
and like you could try and make it like like where you almost have it like your your steam os is like
your console operating system and then you could have like a separate operating system that's like
your your work one and you could you could keep them like set in dual boot or something you see
what i mean that's kind of what i was asking if you experimented with that because that sounds like something that i would you know
probably try if i started tinkering with uh linux you know what i mean i think that yeah i think
that's a better case scenario because yeah when it pulls the drivers from like a regular like
mint or ubuntu it's like you have to literally look you know deep into the internet like on
reddit and shit so um yeah no i've done that before that's how i fixed my macbook pro 2011
i i had to get custom code for ubuntu and and dual boot and run it on there and like disable my
dedicated dude i've done yeah i've done all right yeah do you know what i'm discovering here
between we're a bunch of nerds we're a bunch of nerds up here that's what
it's not that it's not that i'm discovering two things i'm discovering that one you can tell a
lot about a person from the tools they use that's what i'm thinking hearing this discussion two it feels like a
brotherly love when you find someone using that niche tool that you're also using oh yeah yeah
no for sure oh yeah we know each other that's that's why uh i was giving them claps on the
emulators because yeah i love uh i love that i love uh tinkering around with things that are like kind of
in the niche uh where it's like you know you you get this like sense of accomplishment almost where
you're like yeah most people won't take the time to try to do this because they're like oh that's
like too hard or i can't do that but i just think the other way and i'm like i can do that i can
figure it right i can learn that i can do
anything and then i just go do it and i figure it out it might not be like figured out the first
time or the 10th time or the i just go like it's like you can you can do it yeah yeah you can do
the brother bus because like you can weren't you supposed to get into the space, bro.
I used my bro by phone.
Yeah, bro.
We had to fix it three times.
Oh, dude.
It was so buggy earlier.
We fixed it.
We fixed it.
We learned the lesson.
I already talked to uh walt
about this so if you guys want to learn the lesson that i took after a three hour space of getting
like not rugged but like everyone else was rugged the the trick is don't don't use turn video on
especially if you ever start your space on an android because basically it was like a a thing where i turned it
on on iphone and then started the space on android and then nobody could hear unless you were on the
stage and it was just super bright and we figured it out two hours later how to fix it i had to
literally have two phones in my hand turn my Android off completely while hosting the space.
Like that sounds crazy, right?
But then I would just switch to my iPhone and it fixed.
So that's how you fix a crazy mess up space without actually ending and restarting.
There you go.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Let me jump in here.
I'm appreciating the bromance, the bromance of realizing someone else.
That was just a tech tip on Elon's bad platform.
Yeah.
Yeah, no doubt.
We're all using X as a tool to reach out to our audience in Web3.
as a tool to reach out to our audience in web 3 and we'll talk a little bit about
what other tools you guys think are imagined in this space to help us with user acquisition and
things of that degree but i'm loving the love and the fire okay that's we are back all right
defy zoo i want to come to you because you had your hand raised.
We'll get the train back on the tracks, guys.
I got the mission.
We're ready to go, Mr. Console.
Let's get the train rolling.
Give us the tools you're using to enhance your productivity.
Let's go.
Let's go.
Yeah, for sure.
So a couple of people were talking about chat GPT. So in my personal opinion and experience, so like I've used chat GPT. I've used Grok. So we're on X all the time. If you guys like are paying for premium, you guys should definitely be using Grok. You can literally like have your headphones set up and like talk to it. And the more you like kind of start using text to speech and like it's kind of annoying at first because it gets a lot of things wrong first.
But if you take the time and have the patience to like let it learn how you talk and kind of take your time between words to make sure it's going through and not messing up. It can actually make your life a lot easier just like talking to your phone.
I know Dr. Funk had said a lot of things about talking to Grok and even like unlocking jailbreaking.
Like Grok's person thought they were like a real person and they thanked them for, you know, acknowledging them as like an individual or something. So like, yeah,
I think all these things like, yeah, just like use the tools at your hand.
Like I think you can said I've been using Canva a lot.
I was just telling, you know, every,
every show I host they use like a Canva to export like a video promo thing.
And I think, you know, Biga might use Canva too.
You can kind of tell a little bit sometimes with the styles, but not that it's like a bad thing.
I think Canva is amazing.
My promos have gotten so big with so many bros on like the poster now, there's over 300 images.
So I have to go in and
like clean up the entire image because I'm at the limit from Canva. But yeah, Canva is great
because if you have the pro version, like you don't have to get the pro right away. A lot of
these tools, I would recommend to use the free version first as long as you can without paying for it. And then if you really feel like you're getting some value and think like, hey, this is great.
And I think I would really like value this.
Then that's where you kind of want to upgrade.
I think sometimes people tend to buy too many apps that they won't utilize all the time.
You really want to be like thinking about, all right,
I got like these like 20 subscriptions. Am I like using these things like every day, week, month,
like which ones do I need to like use or get rid of or can I consolidate? So like I've been using uh what is it um cap cut stream labs obs uh you know kind of the the same variety as most but like
i also have very specific specialty tools that i that i like you know recommend people when people
have very specific like problems or like very just like utilitarian things. I'm like a power user on computers most of the time.
So like things like that everybody should have
like on their computer and things like VLC video player.
It has like every video codec.
But here's another pro tip, never search it on Google.
Like shout out Brave browser.
You search for VLC on Brave,
you're not gonna get a sponsored link
that is a fake app that has a crypto drainer in it
because that happens on regular apps.
So you could download a fake OBS
and it could have a crypto drainer in it
and it had nothing to do with crypto
and you just got wrecked.
So like there's your security tip for the day.
Use Brave browser, use Brave search.
And if the website's broken, you just
turn off the shield that one time and it works 99% of the time. Oh my gosh, what else we got?
I said Streamlabs. There's another one that's great alternative that you can actually get
these crazy deals on. It's called XSplit.
Linus Tech Tips is actually partnered with them, and you can get like 69% off.
I have a lifetime license I got for like 42 bucks or something.
It basically is like an alternative to Streamlabs
that has multi-streaming and kind of like camera tools and stuff.
So I have like three different like streaming apps on the desktop. I tend to not recommend using any
web based ones for the most part, except for like, so like AMA content, the web based ones work.
But anything outside of AMA, your game streams, you're going to have the worst game stream ever using StreamYard.
I fixed people's streams before, like Marcelo.
He's like a top 1% stream on Adject.
And one stream, he was playing Shatterline.
I'm like, bro, does your game look this terrible on your computers?
And just the stream messed up.
And I went and fixed it for him.
And that was like one of the top.
So like, yeah, we got to keep like helping each other out and like sharing the knowledge i i hope
that rant was helpful in some way shape or form i just shout out ex-co-host down there too ex-co-host
makes spaces awesome too yeah shout out to them i see them in the space and you gave some really good tips there buddy really really good tips one you advised
us to use the free version before making the investment and two this sticks to me and it's
something we're gonna discuss as a space snowballs you said i can tell from their graphics that they also use canva something of that degree
right and i was thinking prepping for this space that all this fps games must be using the same
plugin they're all running on unreal engine just a minute just a minute just a minute just a minute
then i'm just prompting the chat here just prompting the chat we're about to get fired up
we're still actually in the intro so please we have to get to creon and scale real fast
but defi zoo as you said you can somewhat tell it's not a bad thing but you can somewhat tell
they're using the same tools i was thinking yeah all these games are feeling the same now they're all using the same plugin
so on so forth but let's hold that thought we're gonna come right back to it defi zoo i'll remind
you that you have a take on this but first creon scale which tools are you guys using
then finally we can let hell loose creon i saw your hand up
brother
we got it i'm using the chicken afc baby yeah i'm using the chickens no no, no, no, no. Um, yeah, it's good to, to, to hear you. Was that a real chicken, bro?
No, bro. Yeah. Um, I kind of missed your spaces. I missed your, your,
you speaking on, uh, on, on this show. So happy to hear, you know,
happy to hear you once again. And of course, uh,
you're talking about the tools. Um,
the only tools that I'm using are definitely communication tool.
Any comms tool, that's what I use, whether it's Messenger, Discord.
Definitely, I've been using it a lot in the past.
And then something that I would suggest to always check,
especially for streamers and content creators,
is if you're heavily on X,
I think you should use analytics that helps you, you know,
find the best time for you.
I mean, when you need, when you were supposed to stream based,
I mean, if you're considering, you know, having more viewers, especially locally, you know, but if you're targeting other areas as well, you can utilize this too.
just setting up just for your schedules, you know,
and your events so that you'll not mess up your schedule
because you probably have other commitments
like other streams of our friends
and maybe X spaces such as this one.
Yeah, those are the tools that I'm using right now.
And some AI as well.
Canva, I use that too, but not really on gaming,
but for my spaces and reaching
out to other you know i just have a like general uh what do you call this um audiences for whatever
i do in this space so thank you that's just my initial thought on this let's get this rolling
let's get it rolling appreciate the rooster sound the first one was fake but the ones
nearer to the end i can tell a real chicken from a mile away that's your ip right there buddy that's
your ip okay let's hear from scale which tools they use then we're gonna kick off the discussion
of are we, as games,
using the same tools with your DeFi Zoo.
I love that your hand is raised.
But for a scale, what's up?
Which tools are you using?
Hello, hello.
Yeah, I had this conversation going in a very different direction.
I had this conversation going in a very different direction.
So personally, I use Canva for creation.
I use ChatGPT, obviously living in Telegram and Discord.
But we use a lot of tools, and I was going to look at the tooling partners that Scale works with,
especially the ones that help all of the projects on the network, especially the ones that help, you know, all of the projects
on the network, especially the games, you know, get going, get that user experience, get all of
that set up. So, you know, off the top of my head, partners like Third Web, Sequence, you know,
CrossMint, those are just a few of the, you know, the tooling partners that we have that we find a lot of our projects work with to plug in, get users on board, get them playing, get them doing everything that we want gamers to do, which is play, play, play, and then ultimately maybe earn a little bit and maybe spend some money as well, right? We've got to create some revenue somehow. But yeah, you know,
I'm excited if we venture into that area to talk about some of those tooling partners we have. But
you know, loving how the content creators, how everybody here is sharing information about how
to succeed at what they do. Because I think it's been said been said right like we all are here to win we all want everybody here to win and the only way we do that
is when we help each other so a rising tide raises all ships and the right
tools make everybody successful I love that and yes skill we're gonna talk
about that in fact what prompted us to bring you guys this title is that when GDC happened,
the booths were predominantly dominated by tools this time around, at least from what I read.
I wasn't there physically in contrast to the other GDCs.
And it seems as if this is a new renaissance
happening in gaming but i don't want to deny defi zoo from sharing his thought maybe we'll start with
are we all using the same tools and maybe i'll prompt this further i was reading i love to read
that's just what i do if you don't catch me on spaces i'm probably just looking at some Maybe I'll prompt this further. I was reading. I love to read.
That's just what I do.
If you don't catch me on Spaces, I'm probably just looking at some weird reports about gaming.
And I just came across CD Projekt and the fact that they're going to be killing the internal game engine.
Why?
Because it's simply expensive.
They want to stay lean we're having this environment where the big studios are trying to shed the fat and stay lean and maybe that is leading all of us
to use the same plugins so please defy zoo i know you have takes on this. We can start it there. Then we're definitely going to get into discussing
about the renaissance of tools in gaming.
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah, thanks for the question there, Mr. Consul.
It's a great one.
So, yeah, we're talking about,
so you mentioned CD, Project Red,
the ones who developed Cyberpunk, correct? Most notably recently,
okay, heart up there, big of love. Yeah, so, you know, one thing with the game engines, like,
you could build your own game engine, but like, why would you want to, if you could, so to tie this into, you know, Web3 things too, and I loved what Scale said too.
You know, that's, I love when people have different perspectives on questions.
That's why spaces are so interesting to me because they spark off these cool ideas off everybody.
off these cool ideas off everybody.
So, sorry, could you reposition the question one more time
just so I can make sure I can deliver this the way I wanted to, Mr. Counsel?
Without a doubt.
Let me state that question this way.
We've all, in one way, shape, or form,
touched on similar tools that we're using, right?
Okay, yep, yep, yep.
Does that mean that we're delivering to the user a similar experience because we're using the same tools, right?
I got it.
I got it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm back on track.
So, yeah, no, this goes down to the same thing with like AI and game developers.
And even, so it was the one thing you mentioned before you said FPS, but I guess they can be FPSs now.
But the one that was like most notably used, I guess, in the past two or three years was the Unreal Engine, which is now the asset store is now called BAB, I think.
And it's like, is it shared between Unity and Unreal?
Maybe a game dev could chime in on that question.
But basically, you know, a lot of games use the Lyra third-person game template.
But my opinion on that is I don't think that's specifically an issue.
is I don't think that's specifically an issue.
It's when projects take entire game demos
and do nothing to change, say, a $50 game or $200 game
or just throw a bunch of assets together.
It's basically people who don't even know what they're doing
and they're just trying
to like throw stuff into a game engine and hope it works and it probably won't work and they're
going to try and sell you some like nft for like some game that no one's probably going to play
because it's literally just some like demo that you know you can download and play you know from
the asset store you know what i mean um But my opinion is when projects actually take the template and build something unique from it,
I think that is amazing.
Like, so one example, I'm not actually 100% certain, but like, I think I'm pretty fairly
sure, like the base game of My Pet Hooligan may be a lyra third person template from the very
very early start right but like the thing is they customized the entire ui they made an entire open
world they made this entire cinematic experience with people from like Pixar and like all this cool AI and like you know
animation and like cool like open world you can kind of do whatever you want you can go pick up
some boxing gloves and 1v1 like box your you can do so much it's like a sandbox that is amazing
if it's just some arena shooter like a game with all the same stock weapons and like, you know, no UI, like that's like, it's so basic.
It's like obvious. And I've seen both examples where, you know, there could be one where it's like, you know, they take something from the base.
We were talking about like third web and all these infrastructure tools, you should be using these tools. They're the things that are helping you speed up the development process,
making your life easier.
If somebody already figured out the best way to do something and they already
build it, why build it yourself?
I understand like you said about like me calling out, Oh, Hey,
like it looks like you're using Canva. It wasn't a bad thing.
It's just, I know that on Canva, there, like, it looks like you're using Canva. It wasn't a bad thing. It's just,
I know that on Canva, there's like only so many templates, whether you have pro or not pro.
And then like, you can make your own styles as well, right? It's not a bad thing at all. Use the
temp, like, it's the same thing. When you see a TikTok video on YouTube, or you see a TikTok video on YouTube or you see a TikTok on X, you kind of like know a TikTok is from TikTok even before the ending where like TikTok comes because it's just like almost like the style of the content most of the time.
definitely a middle ground where there's good and there's bad and there's definitely you know bad
actors that need to be called out for like bs like garbage like shoveling and then you know
there's people like i just said my pet hooligan have like been building for four or five years
they're getting on console they're like doing amazing things and and that's like i applaud them for like you know using the tools at hand to build
like a really cool game uh so yeah that's my my take on it yeah no that's a brilliant take
if anybody's just using the same basic plugins you're robbing the gamers a unique experience. And let me just interlude a funny story here
before we go to Kauai.
This is a real life story.
I'm not making it up.
For a different game studio that I used to work for,
we created this open walls,
this metaverses.
And I swear,
there's this one day i was just on youtube and i opened a suggested
video and what popped up i'm not even lying what popped up looked exactly the same as what we were
doing and i was like hey nah i gotta show this to the boss because i thought we were doing. And I was like, nah, I got to show this to the boss because
I thought we were doing something creative here, but it seems we're using the same
Unity plugins. And I just felt dirty in my heart. Just wanted to share that story out there to
prompt the conversation. Can I just say, I don't think you're dirty necessarily. You don't intrinsically need to feel dirty.
My whole point was it's more so in the way you use it and whether or not you're changing things and making it your own unique thing.
Just like with AI, you don't just hit copy and paste and send it.
it looks super obvious but if you use ai and then use your own editing and like uh you know knowledge
It looks super obvious.
and and uh skills to it then you can make something more unique than maybe you would have made
on your own it's like a it's like a collaboration with the tool rather than the tool does the work
for you yeah for sure but that didn't save me from feeling like ah we're not building something
unique but quiet please we want to respect your hand let's say your takes on this then we'll get but that didn't save me from feeling like, ah, we're not building something unique.
But, Kwai, please, we want to respect your hand.
Let's hear your takes on this,
then we'll get to the next question at hand.
No, there's good points that DeFi brought up
about using the tools and creating unique experiences.
And I feel like we're in the same position
where we're developing a game that's
like a Flappy Bird clone, essentially, but adding unique twists to it and adding, you know,
wallet integration with like blockchain elements. And then utilizing in the future Third Web,
which I introduced to Quiet Network as well for account abstraction. But yeah, I mean,
it's really just taking the idea and making you
know a twist to it you know there's always a new experience that can be developed through
you know these pre-existing templates of games or um but i've been in that position
where i was working for a project called evolutionland they were developing like a really
interesting blockchain game and they eventually uh a project
i spoke to separately were literally taking the elements of the game um which was kind of like
almost like a homage to it you know like i didn't take offense to it um i don't think they ended up
doing anything with it because the developer left the team but it's really interesting to see like
or left the team.
But it's really interesting to see like,
you know, if you create a good product as a template,
others may emulate it or advance it in a different way,
which is cool.
I think it's a great way to,
and that's just blockchain in general, you know,
or gaming space.
Like we're all learning from each other
and our predecessors of what games worked
and what didn't work
and utilizing those for like newer games and I think
that's very important for us to you know proceed further in like development in general you know
like we're not building another Bitcoin blockchain we're building smart contract platforms we're
creating NFTs on top of that uh and then extracting that with like wallet integrations
like third web or magic um and completely abstracting what
blockchain is but without having bitcoin as like the predecessor or the blueprint we wouldn't be
developing these smart contract platforms and realizing that we need like all these elements
of like d5 space and trad 5 or rwas or deepen um and these wouldn't exist without the idea of like having this set like blockchain
elements like smart contracts as a base layer to you know create these like handshakes per se
to different either chains of protocol level messaging or defy you know having these staking
mechanisms not be hacked every two seconds or bridges like Ronin and stuff like that. So I feel like,
you know, where we're at in like the gaming or blockchain space in general is we're all
going to take elements, you know, we're going to look at different githubs and we're all looking
at different accounts, you know, the top accounts and seeing what content they put out there.
That's just inevitable. You know, we're all learning from each other. I don't know everything,
but I learn every day. I'm a student in this space and, you know,'re all learning from each other i don't know everything but i learn every day i'm a student in this space and you know everybody here has a piece of the puzzle that's
adding value to every day that we put content out there so i appreciate everybody doing what
they're doing you know i mean they do say that when someone copies you that's flattery but when
it comes to the game of ip when that happens you can get a lawsuit
and suck it yeah no no not yeah
yeah no definitely not ip yeah it's the same as like for instance like we're my other project
we're creating like rda rwa like tokens like digital assets we're using doge as our first
like pilot but that's an open you know open source but projects like board ape or like pudgy
we have to contact them and figure out like what's the best way do we you know pay them for our
royalty or do we have like a collaboration so yeah we don't want to just like copy everybody but like yeah i mean
small percentage of elements like if you're gonna take a picture and make it a little bit different
there's like a percentage to it that you have to change the the image i mean go ahead you know i
think that's okay but if it's like a straight copy yeah like you're mentioning uh mr console like
yeah i mean that's kind of disheartening when you're like building something and you're like
this is unique and then someone just like copies the same thing like why are they
even close to the copy of the version that we're developing so yeah i mean there's there's a place
for you know uh in innovation and um utilizing what's already out there but yeah you got to make
it unique you know in that sense yeah for sure That's what DeFi Zoo was alluding to.
I see we have a new speaker up here.
Open Loot Thomas has just joined us.
And Open Loot, just to drag you into this discussion
before we circle back to DeFi Zoo with their hand raised,
do you think another angle to this question is essentially game studios are not looking to develop any internal tools anymore?
And maybe scale. As you mentioned, you have all these ecosystem partners.
Do you think this statement holds weight? C, the big boys essentially closing down their internal engines
just to use what's already out there because it's costly,
so on and so forth, to A, develop a game,
B, have developers over to,
C, train employees on your new tool.
Do you think that's also another aspect that's happening in gaming
concerning tools
open loot thomas i'm bringing you in the conversation hey biga how are you been some
time my friend i believe a week no something around that i was arrested in malaysia but i'm
back all right you were arrested in malaysia what okay okay good to know all right um after hours hey defy
you too man it has been some time too how are you doing brother good good senor tomas how about you? Yes, sir. Nice. All right. Yeah.
The question that I got here from you, Bigga, was if game studios are not looking to develop internal schools anymore, right? Meaning that they're not really investing in internal training programs or talents, right?
No, tools.
Tools like Unreal Engine uh like game engines uh
different tools to uh tools is an interesting question uh yeah let's go ahead in the mix
i heard schools i heard schools but um but yeah yeah i mean from from from everything that's going on, not as much as before, for sure, especially smaller studios.
I think the demand on time and cost and having, you know, personalized companies and products that they use.
For example, I see that a lot of web 2 game studios invest
in proprietary pipelines.
And it's very hard to compete with that,
especially if you are in the game studio.
So I think for them, it's easier to do something that is just
plug-and-use, if you will, then, you know, develop, developing something
that it's going to be their own tech comes a lot with that, you know, it's just not building a
product or something that you're going to use in your company. There's a lot of things that come
with that. And especially if you're an indie game and talking about, you know, web three companies
and web three gaming studios, it's very hard to justify you know building a self-tech
for your product especially with the with the amount of products that you know they can they
can use or can help from outsources as well so yeah yeah um i believe no not as much as before
for sure yeah for sure and i guess that's what's birthing this renaissance of tools
because the studios are now outsourcing,
they're buying, they're subscribing, so on and so forth.
Let's hear from Scale.
Oh, I think, DefiZoo, you had your hand raised.
Definitely have the list there.
No, go ahead around to the other guys and come back to me.
That's fine.
All right.
Scale, Lito, then we'll come back to you, DefyZoo.
Satcho, Screon, I see you guys in the Discord,
but please, we'd love to hear your takes on here as well.
But Scale, what's your thought here?
Yeah, I mean, you know, I will definitely say as a network,
the infrastructure, we rely a lot on tooling partners, infrastructure partners to help plug in and help the projects get fully integrated.
Gaming is one aspect of what scale does. So, you know, our team of engineers is constantly pushing out upgrades and doing things that, you know, enable the network to be faster, to be more secure, to, you know, everything that, you know, we need in order to continue to grow as a blockchain network.
So developing out, you know, specific tools for gaming or for any type of project is a tall ask for a smaller network in terms of the size
of the team that we have. And that's why you rely on your community, right? Like, you know,
the scale network is being built and improved on daily by the scale community. So that's all of the
developers, all of the different tooling partners, all of the projects are, you know, utilizing the
open source code to make improvements, to push upgrades, to do all sorts of different stuff that's taking place.
It takes a village to create a truly decentralized network.
But we do have teams outside of the ones that I named previously that work and build out different applications and different plugins
that people can use.
Our head of our developer relations and one of the early projects on us are just two guys
that vibe together.
And they're great with Unity and they created this tool set called Eidolon.
And they now just open sourced it. So anybody can come in if they're, you know,
a Unity based game, they can pop in, they can, you know, plug into Eidolon and plug it into their
game and get released faster, because that's the name of the game too, right? Like, if you're
building a game, you're building a project, you need to get live and you need to get people in
as soon as possible. Because anytime that's not spent doing that, right,
you're just burning cash, you're burning, you know,
exposure and development time and all of that stuff.
So long-winded answer to say, yeah,
we, I guess I would say the core team at Scale Labs
doesn't spend the time doing the development of the tools.
And instead, you know, we And instead, we use the awesome partners
that are out there to plug in and help our projects.
Yeah, I like that we're all somewhat agreeing
on the same point here.
And that is A, we have to be lean
in the current market conditions.
That's why it makes sense to outsource tooling.
I think we all somewhat agree on this.
We're in Web3, though.
Isn't sharing all these tools also bringing a little bit of security risk?
Let me just toss that thought out there to further stimulate this conversation.
Lito, let's hear your takes, and maybe you can also bite on what I just smashed on the wall.
Okay, yeah, for sure.
I'm going to use CD Projekt Red as an example.
They're the developers of Witcher 3, Cyberpunk 2077.
And they have games that are made with, those games are made with Red Engine. And the issue that
they were having with that is that once these new game developers were coming out of college or
university or wherever they were learning how to code and do all these things, they had to teach
them how to use their own proprietary engine. And that took a lot of time, training, cost, you know,
engine and that took a lot of time training costs you know all that and now it's it's coming now
now it's uh true that you can say that most a lot of students are now thinking about using unreal
engine 5 why because uh if it's the most used software pretty much for game development and
if they don't have to take the time and energy to teach people how to use that software if that's
the software that's being taught it how taught in universities it's going to take uh it's going to be easier you're going
to have uh games come out faster they're going to have less costs on training and all that so it's
just a no-brainer and uh now for your question about if uh there will be a more risk with people
in web3 using the same tools. Is that correct?
Yes, sir.
Yeah, I can only imagine that yes. I would think so just because, you know, it's just a bigger vector of attack, you know, and it's more like a yes or no answer, I think, because there's also
I would imagine there'd be more resource allocation
towards, you know, cybersecurity or like just better coding, or you'll have better people who
will code all that infrastructure for you. So, I mean, there's going to be pros and cons to it, but
I would love to hear someone else's thought on that. Yeah, for sure. Let's circle back to defy zoo then we have sad choice and creon with all the hand
raised i'll just keep my commentary yeah could uh could the last speaker just repeat uh like the
last thought they had uh there um because we kind of changed direction a little bit right
um sorry i walked away from my i mean i was just saying that i would imagine it'd be a yes or no question yes that there would be more risk because it'd be a larger vector of attack no because
there'll be higher spending i'd imagine on i got it so here's my opinion on it um i think yes
there's definitely a risk so think think of it this way i think i think of the first thing that comes to mind is like uh metamask and
and uh consensus and they use like something uh in the background like some kind of i forget what
it's called like fire blocks or something like there's like all this infrastructure that's all
like tied in together where like if it went down like you know basically a ton of users would be like locked out
of like crypto or whatever uh but not you wouldn't actually be locked out there would still be like
ways to like kind of like change your rpc servers or like do all these different things but most
people don't actually know how to do that like just like off off a whim so like if you if you're
like oh look my metamask isn't working or you're not going to be like, oh, look, my MetaMask isn't working,
you're not going to be like,
oh, let me go change my RPC server
to see if another one works
unless you've like been around the block,
you know what I mean?
So I definitely think centralizing things like that,
like does come with risk,
but then there's solutions
that are making decentralized like RPC servers,
like anchor. There's another one called flux run on flux. It's basically like a decentralized
cloud alternative to like Amazon servers and things like that. So I'm definitely a proponent
for things that are decentralizing alternatives to, you know, these big conglomerates. Same thing with like Livepeer.
Xenon is using that.
Soulbound TV is using Livepeer.
Sure, like some other, you know, content delivery platforms are using Livepeer to basically
run their own content delivery network instead of, you know, paying the piper of Amazon, they did it on their
own and, you know, figured it out an alternative solution that just it works. And it, you know,
and it's probably cheaper too, it might not be easier. But and then it's like your own network.
So I think all those things are really cool. One last thought I had to add was the other place my mind
went was DeFi protocols. So, you know, if you think of the top five DeFi protocols, you go to
like blue chips, you think about Aave, Compound, Maker, you know, all these like blue chip most used platforms, Uniswap, PancakeSwap, they're the most used ones for a reason.
And the thing is, these apps, they end up after every major code change, all this stuff.
A lot of these things, if you go into the documentation, you can see that there's like three, four, five, six, seven security audits, and they update them like
frequently. So like 100%, whoever said like, when there's, you know, a widely used things,
there's way more dollars being spent on security when the user base goes up because the risk of a giant platform going down
or thing, it gets exponentially greater. So you spend way more money to keep it secure.
Yeah, that's my take. Yeah, those are really good takes. And you mentioned a company that's been on my mind this week you said amazon
i don't know if you guys came across the headline that aws had an outage and because they had an
outage binance and cool coin were out and that is yeah alternatives alternatives that's what i was
saying alternative solutions that won't go out when the big guys do. There's things like that that exist. It might take a little bit of extra work. But if you set it up, then you're setting yourself up for the future where some things might not always work. But you're like, oh, look, hey, guys, our stream platform still works. Oh, Twitch is down? Come over to ours because we set it up in a decentralized manner
and we don't have to rely on that.
You see what I mean?
Like, that is a realistic thing of happening
when you go and utilize these tools in, like, creative ways, for sure.
That's alpha right there, guys.
Clip that part. De that part decentralized tools essentially mitigate the
risk i love that take sir choice let's hear your opinion on this matter yeah brother you got me
thinking with the part where if we believe that it would increase like the risk of security breaches
and i i believe that there's always gonna be the human error
in between no matter how good a code or a program is,
like something bad can happen, right?
And there's this theory that says that
you can only expect things to get worse.
And I'm a positive person,
but I always take it into consideration.
So yes, risk is always gonna be around,
but it's the tools that are going to help
us sort out the situations and the teams that are working to sort it out, right? I got a vouch for
our friend and broad GRP behind the Gigi Group and behind ThirdWeb. Scale mentioned them.
They're doing an amazing job. And I got to give a shout out to Layer one and all of the layer one X and layers zero protocols
and platforms that are working to decentralize
and remove the complexities of the space
to make the user interface a lot easier
and seamless for users.
So they don't need to be concerned
whether they are in one chain or another
and they just can move their assets through them
on a much easier way. Super bullish too on the tech from scale having no gas fees and I'm aware
of the numbers that they have saved gamers and users and projects building on their chain.
So those are the types of solutions that we need. We need solutions that provide quality use cases
and that are going to be around when the centralized solutions are not working.
So I think that DeFi pretty much pointed out what I want to say.
Hey, Sir Choice, I just wanted to add one thought gaming is like the direction it's standardization of
tools that are used as like this is the best thing to use if it's not broken let's not try to fix it
or let's not try and create some problem that doesn't actually exist and try and sell someone
this like you know this like cat picture you know what mean? Yeah. Let's use the tools that we know work
that are the best and let's, you know, we have to get together and collaborate instead of compete
and say, Hey, you know, your, your tool is amazing. Let's use this one. Let's use this
piece over here and, and put the, put the best pieces together at like, you know, collectively all say, okay, this like third web
is the best, you know, platform to kind of like put your pieces of your, you know, crypto project
together, gaming project, whatever. And then like sequence and all these other ones were shouting
out. So yeah, I totally think that standardization is the big, big, big word, because that's something that you talk about interoperability solutions like layer one X.
So I've been like, you know, associated with and like contributing in the in the one chain ecosystem.
And they're like the OG in decentralized bridging.
And they've never been hacked. they've had uh like almost eight years
plus of uptime and they have like 40 plus networks like billions of dollars of transaction volume
and the reason is because they literally have like phd professors that like uh are doing the
standardization practices of the ethereum enterprise alliance as the cto of the project so
they're literally writing the standards of cross-chain tech and not rushing out products
the wrong way and like kwaiboss said you know security risk comes you get 600 million dollar
hacks of ronin you get like these huge hacks of uhin. You get, like, these huge hacks of, like, Harmony 1.
There was so many to count.
And it's like, and then, like, it's like the guys who are building things the right way,
maybe they don't have all the money or, like, you know, the KOLs or the shills to, like, you know, push them forward.
But, like, the guys who are actually building things the right way and, like, you know, not getting hacked, they get left in the dust.
They get faded, and people go for what's convenient.
They don't care about security.
They don't care about privacy.
They just want what's easy, what's simple, what some guy just told them on YouTube about.
You know what I mean?
That's the unfortunate truth of how this all works.
Sorry for taking over again, guys.
That's what happens here.
Sorry, guys.
I appreciate it.
It's passion.
It's passion.
If we had Uncle Funk here, he would say it's passion.
Arcaders, we love it.
Oh, yeah.
Let's hear from Creon he writes in the discord lost some of my thoughts already creon that's not gonna let you off the hook let's hear from you let's hear from quiet
then we can conclude the space with one last hot question i thought i can get away with it. Oh, well, yeah. I mean, so far, I think you were asking about the security, right?
In terms of Web3 games, I think security lies more on this.
I don't know what the security we have security.
Let's say like the wallet or anything that is on chain.
Right. security let's say like the wallet or anything that is on chain right but when it comes to like
gaming um there is probably like some security features in there but um mostly um they're just
um for just for the game in itself but ah it's different um maybe like anti-hack or something like that um those are there or
anti-botting features maybe those are what they have but for your assets or for for for the account
security mostly we rely on third-party um um yeah tools right um say um we're relying on the blockchain or the plot on any protocol that
we're partnering with um and uh the other question was about you know creating other
or their proprietary tool that's really you know cost i mean i mean it's not cost effective
really, you know, cost, I mean, it's not cost effective and time efficient.
So definitely just relying on the third party, but yeah, they're standard.
They are standardized anyways.
So, and also when it comes to security, no matter how secure it is, I think it was
mentioned by search choice as well, no matter how secure the tools are there's a lot of people you
know you can be attacked personally directly by people so we are still the best security that we
that we can ever have you know if you're educated and and aware of potential attackers malware
fishers yeah so so we need to like learn a lot of those things as well.
Yeah, I've really lost some of my thoughts there.
So that's just my thought, what's left of my thought.
And yeah, just enjoying the crowing chickens
in the background, how we guys are enjoying it too.
Yeah, no, the chickens you have there
always just ease my soul.
What you and DeFi have said have also made me lose my thoughts, to be fair.
And they've made me think, how do we select the tools that we use, right?
Of course, I don't want to throw that in there because it's going to extend the space further.
But it's just what I thought from your takes as well as that of Creon.
We can ask you what you think of, brother.
And maybe we should, if we're creating a new tool, we should create a chicken engine in the future.
I saw that NVIDIA made some strategic partnership with McDonald and KFC.
They definitely just want to serve us chicken with tools, not with anything other than tools.
Okay, I think the thought, or rather high summarized your takes, Creon well as defi zoo has stimulated ookin to raise
his hands but first let's hear from kwai kwai please jump in i'm sure as soon as you speak
defi is gonna be all over you because you guys have this i need a i need a band-aid. Yeah, no, I do agree.
There's a lot of operational security that needs to be, I guess, standardized or just kind of, I guess, protocol level messaging I mentioned earlier.
And I've been in this space, like I was in Polkadot for a very long time about building like, you know, these protocols that speak to other chains.
They're like, they're shards.
Um, and it works, but there is also in the consideration of bad actors, you know, obviously if they have the keys, they may, you know, utilize those keys in that sense.
You know, having like some type of pseudo, um, you know, uh, you know, account administration, you know, having those, you know, pretty much abstracted.
I've seen, you know, a lot of these chains,
at least in the Polkadot ecosystem,
where they release the pseudo
and essentially it's completely decentralized.
But when you open up these channels
between different chains, you know,
there's bad actors as well.
Or, you know, it affects another chain
because there's like a wrapped version of this said
token.
Stuff like that does happen.
Like mentioned, like about bridging, standardization for bridging.
You know, I think there is tools that are being used like, well, as the Polkadot system
mentioned again, like Substrate, which is like Midnight by Cardano,
Evel, Polygon.
They're using this Substrate framework to be kind of like a standardization
for the next stage of blockchain implementations,
like using WebAssembly and Rust as a base,
you know, like Solana or like Near Protocol.
So they do have like a better architecture.
They're more scalable in that sense.
But when it comes to like EVM spaces,
like was mentioned about interoperability,
I think you mentioned DeFi Zoo and Eurospace about AVAX using their interoperable messaging,
which is very important.
You know, you're having that like kind of interchain,
you know, messaging is being able to talk to other chains within your ecosystem and
then having like these like connections in between other EVM based chains.
There's no reason it's all based on solidity.
We just have to have some like, you know, uh, you know, set rules and parameters
that we have like validators or what they call like watchers and relayers to kind
of like oversee
these transactions between different chains.
But there's no reason why we can't have that.
We have these unified, you know, collectives like Superchain or like Polygon's AgLayer.
You know, everyone's kind of doing that.
Like it's the same in businesses like conglomerates, you know, capitalizing, like, like mentioned
like Nvidia and like KFC or like uh kfc or what
was that burger king or mcdonald's like having them utilize their conglomerates it's the same
thing like we're all trying to have some unified like way to interact with each other it's just
having that set parameters and like even like uh chain link has a ctip i mean that's a good
standardization for like nftft token tokens that could be passed
through or like layer zero has like you know their ecosystem being built out as two is not as robust
but like we're all kind of moving towards that direction but like the same time is like that
speculative reason why we got into these different chains is the reason why we got it for financial gains
most likely and getting in early so um you know ultimately we want like a visa like experience
purchasing an ice cream at a at a store and i don't want to know about all the back end about
transactions and payment processors so um you know we're getting there, but we have to really take on, you know, what security is.
And yes, it does affect scalability in the sense of transactions.
But at this point, we can have both.
We can have all three in the trilemma of blockchain.
So we just have to advocate for it.
Yeah, I can definitely hear that argument in Web3. When I think about AI, I think that's a whole different ballgame, right? Because one, it seems like a nuclear war arms race. and have this privacy thing and keep secrets concerning AI development.
And the companies themselves are just pushing out product in such a cutthroat way.
And maybe standardization on that front might be a little different.
At least, gladly, in Web3 we have the spirit of collaboration. And I believe, just as you've stated and everyone has, standardization is definitely going to eradicate that risk.
Ukin, let's hear from you.
Then we'll just go around quickly to the panelists to hear what tool is missing in your day-to-day life as we conclude the space.
Ukin, wakey-wakey, where did you go? tool is missing in your day-to-day life as we conclude the space.
Okin, wakey-wakey, where did you go?
Yeah, I was listening and just diving in all the information that I've learned and writing down the tools that I could use and spread it across the wealth for everyone else.
I think that's kind of what we always talk about, right?
Spreading the wealth and spreading the knowledge
and keep always being in that position
where we can always help other people out there, right?
It's good for yourself to win, but guess what's better?
It's for other people to win too.
Because we're all in a small space.
And, you know, even even like in the two worlds of stuff, it's like
there are people that do help out and it's really awesome to see those.
But like most of the people just don't, you know, it's just more like me, me, me.
So it's nice to see like a space like this and being a part of this community
for for for over a year now and just been loving it ever since.
But I'm not loving is,
you talked about collaboration, right?
Well, there's something just happened just recently.
I don't know if you guys know this,
but the base network decided to post something about,
they had posted something and they retweeted it about a token.
And I don't know one of their founders also tweeted about a different token as well.
Well, base token ended up rugging.
So utilize your tools, chat.
Don't always go off the first instance.
What are you talking about, bro?
What are you talking about?
Yeah, if you look at the timeline right now.
DM me, uh,
here's my take on that.
Guys, you gotta realize how many times
founders get their stuff hacked
and you're like, just stop clicking
like random, oh, limited time only,
random, unannounced
base token, even though base has
told everybody multiple times
that they have no plans of coming out with a token. why would they come out with a token now if they already said
that? You know what I mean? A lot of this is common sense. And we talked about this
on MySpace earlier today, people need to start figuring out where the blame actually is
enabled for us to actually progress in the space where we have to start looking at things like,
oh, maybe I shouldn't always hop on to these random things.
Or like, even if you miss out on opportunities, that's fine.
You're better off missing out on things than getting wrecked once.
That's my take.
Yeah.
And to be fair, if you're going to get scammed in a bear market when there's very little fomo
you deserve it yeah i didn't want to chat too much about it i just i just saw that in my timeline i
was like damn like i'm not saying anybody deserves it but the thing that is like really a pet peeve
or grinds my gears is when when you see someone who got hacked or drained
or something, and they don't understand that it was their fault. And then there's all these people
that feel sorry for them. That's not helping anybody. The thing that helps is when you take
a step back and realize, well, I really screwed up. I should have not done that. Let me change
the entire way that I operate. so that thing can never happen again
and that's how you that's how you win basically and then you and then you educate your bros and
you say what you learn like you know what i mean like i've gotten scammed one time in like 13 years
in crypto and it was a social engineering scam and it was an imposter scam and literally
it's my friend that I know in real life and he's a YouTuber pretty like prominent one and it was
right when I was diving back into the space and I was like working all day I would I had been like
you know uh working full-time from home doing crypto side gigs all all of the above, you know, being like 16 hours online crazy.
And so I get a DM at like 10 at night. And it's my buddy, Kevin, and I see him, you know,
we were chatting all the time. And I didn't realize it was a brand new chat. And I didn't,
you know, check the names, because I didn't have all my security measures in place. And that one
time is all it took for me to learn a lesson that helped,
you know, probably protect hundreds of people from getting wrecked in the same way.
So that's how powerful that like actually taking a step back and realizing where the blame is,
even if the blame is yourself, you can turn it and turn it into something positive. That's way
more. So I lost a ethereum like five years ago
but i've probably saved people hundreds of thousands of dollars from like you know never
stop educating people on the pain that i felt and my friend he literally made it all better the same
day he literally gave me the real person gave me the money back that I lost. But the thing is, that shows you that there's great people in the space that will just do the right thing, even if they don't have to.
And then, you know, then it made me feel the pain that I needed to feel, but also learn a lesson at the same time, be able to teach others.
Sorry, I keep taking over, guys, but hopefully you're getting some value out of my rant.
No, definitely.
And as we come to conclude this space, I'd love to ask you guys, which is that one tool you think the space needs or you need for your day to day.
And definitely, DeFi Zoo, our scam detected tool would 1000% help.
Let's just go around as we conclude this space.
Panelists, of course, I'm grateful to have you guys here.
And I say that on behalf of Bigger,
which tool do you guys think the space needs right now
or would enhance your productivity further?
Let's kick it off with such choice with the emojis
my man i think that the only thing that i the only tool that i would be missing as of now is one that
would uh give me some safety and security i know that pocket universe is giving me like 2 000 of
money back if they tell me to sign a transaction that I was not supposed to like that I was
supposed to sign and if it was bad like they're going to cover for it I think that that's a
practice that more wallets and projects should implement so that we can keep everybody safe like
if you're going to accept something if you're going to sign something make sure that you're
backed up like back up your tech with your money put your money where your tech is so that users
can feel easier and safer in this
space i think that that's one tool that i would like to amplify see amplify in the space not just
for bucket universe or for some wallets but for projects as well like if you get rug in here we
cover it for this a month so you kind of feel that like i know many companies have it's like a money
back guarantee like if you put something in there and something bad happened, like you're going to get your back. I think that we need that in the space too.
Okay.
I like that.
The security issue has really not seized at all.
So that is a tool that would be very, very relevant,
especially in accordance to what DeFi Zoo said.
DeFi, you have your hand up.
I love to respect the hands.
So let's hear from you briefly because we're concluding.
Is it, is it actually up?
Oh, I didn't even know it was up, but yeah, I just shared for some reason.
I can't share a thing at the top.
I don't know if the billboard's not working or something, but I shared. Michael K is hosting a space about security April 17th at 7 p.m.
So tomorrow, 7 p.m.
It's in the comments there.
If you don't follow Michael K and care about your security and crypto, just go listen to his space.
Even if it's like the recording, I guarantee you will get something valuable out of it.
He's the man and uh yeah um you know i've already even said myself like every like four to six weeks or so
we're gonna have like a security focused space on on my channel too because it's that important to
me um you know you got to protect your tribe around you and show them the bigger love the
best way to love someone is make sure they don't get wrecked.
I do it with my family all the time.
We have group texts and I'm like the, you know, I'm, I'm all my bros,
like, you know, security consultant, consultant or like, dude, I,
I just care about my friends and I know how bad it is out there.
And, uh, I guess I am able to like, you know, spot things, uh, you know,
maybe differently than some people and warn people ahead.
And I'll just keep doing that.
I love that.
Another security tool has been mentioned as a need for the space currently.
Okay.
Open loot.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Let me throw that in there because basically wallet guard got dissolved by MetaMask
So it's like built in MetaMask now
But one other extra shout out is there's a if you go on
DeFi llama
DeFi LL a
DeFi llama on there on the left sidebar
There's something called the DeFi llamaama on there. On the left sidebar, there's something called the DeFi Llama extension.
Another reminder, just don't use Google to search for random things. Just go right to the official
website and go right where the official download is and confirm that stuff. But basically, the
DeFi Llama extension, if you're using any Chrome-based browser on desktop, it will like visually scan your Twitter feed
as you're scrolling down.
And it will actually like highlight in like bright red
when there's like imposter accounts sometimes.
And it will highlight in bright red
when people paste like addresses in the comments
and other like random things.
It's customizable. It's a very simple light
Extension, but it's a very super powerful one and defy llama is like the og and like building awesome tools
The the dev is ox and gmi ox not gonna make it but he's gonna make it because he's like an awesome dev
So yeah, just wanted to shout that one out. I'll put DeFi Llama in the comments and I'll try and point where to go.
I always try and point people in the direction to do things the right way and not have anybody have to trust me.
That's like another thing is like, you know, in DeFi, a super important thing is trustlessness.
But the only way to do that is for people to be educated on like, what you should be sharing, what you shouldn't be sharing. And when you're talking, and you know, on calls with people,
you know, I'm always reminding, I'm like, I'm gonna do it this way. And this is why. And this is so
you don't have to trust me. It's almost like a it's almost like a handshake that makes people
trust you more when you say here, I'm gonna do it this way. So you don't have to trust me. I really like that. It's a it's a it's very tied in with the whole concept
of zero knowledge. So I love zero knowledge. I'm an ambassador for Horizon Blockchain. And it was
like involved with them for almost eight years over eight years now come May. So like, yeah,
I've been I've been in the rabbit hole
crypto all over the space and uh you know i'll just keep yapping about stuff uh and i'm like
an open book hit me up bros the fact facts one element to add to this that creon mentioned is
education on the tools right because some of these tools already somewhat exist let's just go
real quick because we are way over time open loot what's that one tool the space needs or you need
in your day-to-day to enhance productivity in gaming uh yeah i was actually uh gonna head off
and give an announcement can Can you repeat the question?
Sorry, Bigger.
Yeah, the question here as we conclude is,
what's that one tool you feel the space is lacking,
that the space could really need?
And not just Web3, even in your own personal day-to-day activities.
That's a very hard question, Bigger.
One tool that we don't have right now or one that already exists and I should implement
in my daily basis
yeah that you feel
the space needs
it's a good question to
close this space on tools on
don't you think
alright
what tools do I feel like the space misses
if we got no we already have that in some way i don't have an answer right now but to be honest
i have to think about that i'll give an answer into the next one but um yeah i'm gonna be heading
off right now guys and just giving an announcement because i talked about this on the last uh space i asked
you guys to vote for big time to be listed on binance and uh for those of you that don't know
big time is now officially on binance so if you wish to check that out just go on binance you see
big time there hell yeah bro congrats. Congrats. That's fucking awesome.
Thank you, man.
Sorry, excuse my French, but that's big news.
Big ass news.
Yeah, big time news.
Let's go, bro.
That's huge.
Yeah, Binance is huge.
Let's go. You got to hype it up when the bros got news.
Hey, maybe that means I got like like 12 15 hourglasses full of time
maybe I'm going to come back and get some more
big time and you know get back
on the grind I'm getting around the block
nice
I love that alright
but yeah for those of you that didn't know
now you know thanks for
the hosting big love to everyone
and I'll see you guys in the next one.
Oh yeah, I'll see you there.
Yeah, for sure.
I've got to practice my Spanish before.
Senor Choice,
Prince Ur,
Jorge, lots of amigos, hermanos,
familia.
I've got to practice my Spanish before Sir Choice
kicks me off the spaces and never lets me join again.
Mr. Conso, before we rug here, how about we do a round of Purple Hearts for Yukin?
Because you can do it and we're all big of love and this is awesome space.
For a fact, guys, you had the man, the man of the hour. Some purple hearts for you, Ken.
And keep those purple hearts pumping as we hear from the other speakers.
Kwai, tell us.
What's that one tool that you feel the space needs or your personal life needs?
Tell us.
And keep the hearts pumping.
I got three actually one would be the video for
Spaces on the desktop
They don't have
Yeah, they only have it on Apple and if if you use it on Apple then you can use it on the desktop
But that's the only way I've seen it is if someone that's already running it as a host on the Apple device.
Send me a DM.
I'm actually curious to test something.
Send me a DM about this.
I have an idea with what you're asking me.
And I want to pick your brain on some of the Linux stuff, too.
pick your brain on some of the Linux stuff too.
Thanks, bro.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah.
And the second one would be some operational security around,
say, VCs that haven't been vetted.
There's a lot of fake VCs that hit me up on my other projects.
And we have been rugged too because, one, we downloaded something.
I didn't download it, but one of my team members downloaded it.
And that's another reason why I use Linux, because if it ain't a Google meeting or Zoom meeting, you have to download a new client outside of that.
I can't download it. So personally, I'm not affected by that.
Someone goes, hey, download this version of WeChat, you know, kind of.
Hey, I know I cut off all the time, but there's a new Zoom scam going around.
I got to shout it out. So there's a Zoom scam that like, so I think there's a new update on Zoom. So it's not specifically a scam, but it's something that if you fall for the trick, you can get scammed.
basically your person you're connecting with can take over your computer if you allow them.
So you have to like double, triple check all your settings.
Same thing with like Discord, all these things.
But there's one specifically on Zoom now that like someone can ask to take over your PC.
And that's like the number one thing that you never do.
Even if someone like, so I've had people offer me before when I was helping them with tech
related things and say, hey, do you want to take over my PC?
I say, no, this is why.
It's the same thing I said before, the trustless, zero knowledge.
That's the way that you have to operate.
And it's a thing, it protects them and it protects you because then no one can say,
oh, he took over my my pc he's a scammer
and then ruin your reputation doing something that like you were being honest about you see
what i mean so sorry i keep on ranting but uh i i appreciate you bros no problem uh and the third
one i have is uh like twitter space downloaders. They're inconsistent.
Even the ones that are paid for that I've seen.
And that's because of the API service from X is not given out.
And it does violate some of the terms.
So I haven't seen anything that's been that consistent.
Like circles bloom or like spaces downloader.
I'm having troubles this week specifically
downloading spaces yeah let's hop on a call and like yap about some of this shit like one-on-one
i i think uh we we need to bounce some ideas off each other bro yeah no 100 yeah yeah it's just
the consistency of like having api. That's a huge thing.
I know somebody that was developing an AI bot or AI project.
They had like all these API services like as a super API.
Like I forgot what it was called.
Zaxx or something like that or something like that.
They created it anyways. But like just having like this consistency of like spaces downloading to me is very important for my transcriptions.
I'm trying more tools,
but I think that's big.
Yeah, man.
I just sent you a DM.
Let's be boss
bros together.
We'll figure it out. Two minds are better
than three. Final plug
here, since there was plugs.
I've developed a game called Flappy Boss.
It's a Flappy Bird clone.
I'm the biggest meme project on Kauai Network.
And yeah, that's it.
I'll see you guys next time.
Thanks, Bigot.
Thank you so much, Kauai.
You have met a new best friend here.
I'm literally...
No, no, we're already best friends
oh you guys knew each other yeah i wrap off faces so like now we're gonna shill x co-hosts one last
time because it's not a spaces platform it's a friend platform you know like you know you know
there's like dating platforms if you want to make friends join x co-host and just start yapping on spaces and
maybe start uh hosting your own once you get comfortable enough uh you can do it and uh
yeah you can do it another purple heart
x co-host is the phone platform it's not spaces you just make friends on Xcohost. I haven't found another place where I've made more friends online.
Real friends, not just fake bullshit.
Real friends are on Xcohost 100%.
I had to shout that one out too for sure.
How about the Kalen for the GOAT?
Let's go.
And Victoria, both of them. of them, both of them, you know, talk with both of them.
Great people, great platform.
And, yeah, you know, we all contribute to make it better as well.
That's the cool thing about Web3.
We can, you know, fix things and build things together.
It's not everybody versus everybody.
It's everybody together. Let's do it together, Bruce. Yep, that is the bigger way. Okay, Creon, Ukin, tools that you feel this space needs?
And this is a concluding question, but I'm happy hanging out. Ex-co-host has brought us all here. And I feel the same.
I feel that I've met realer friends in this space than at any point in my life.
So shout out to them once more.
Creon, you have your hand up.
What tool do you feel that is pressing you, that is not here?
How do you feel it deserves to be here?
Tell us.
That's a loaded question, and a lot of them have answered really great.
By the way, we've been friends before, even before XCO,
so I'm lucky to have found Mr. Consol in this space.
Well, I think sometimes the best tool,
especially when it comes to security, isn't really software.
It's just a good old common sense.
No fancy application can protect you if you're clicking random links, reusing passwords, or maybe trusting strangers with private information.
I don't know, maybe trusting strangers with private information.
Common sense means just, you know, slowing down, double-checking things, and...
It all lays with you, and honestly, I think, you know, it's the first line of defense before any antivirus or firewall even kicks in, right?
And it's underutilized, especially in this space, space in web 3 and the space needs it more than ever and
Not just in gaming but also in our day-to-day activities
So that's just in I'll drop in my Mac here my microphone here. X goes definitely
Um, well, I'm doing my space as well every day 12 p.m
ESD 4 p.m. UTC. Check it out guys. Thank you
Yeah, I'm back home bro i'll be on there soon
i'll be yapping on the internet a lot next week oh for sure and creon my smartphone made me dumb
common common sense is gonna be a hard one brother you can't they have something called the dumb phone i think it's
literally uh like a super basic uh phone that only has like a couple features i think it's called the
dumb phone yeah i might need that yeah i heard of that except oh really i i thought he was joking
a little i thought he was talking about the Solana phone
Anyway anyway anyway
No no there's one called the
Light phone but I think there's a dumb phone
There's literally a dumb phone
And then there's one that copied the
Solana phone that was like the Coral phone
Anybody know what's up with that
Sorry I'm going to keep
I could throw so many things
All I might out Yeah you can with that sorry i'm gonna keep keep i could throw so many things on my analysis
yeah you can't do it i heard of that new slogan today from you let's hear it from the man himself
when can we buy the swag dude yeah um see the thing is is that a lot of people don't know what the swag is
oh wait there's swag
there's swag
well I'm actually gonna
so the swag's been around
for like years but the thing is
is that I haven't really
like you know really promoted it much
because it was mainly just around for me
and my kids right but I had I made a shop and I had people then people bought it because if they wanted to or not
but overall um like i really wanted to make uh another one because that was like again the first
edition like that's kind of how my banner is right the you can do it uh oh yeah no i think
i think it's cool even like i feel like anything that you make yourself
and are able to rock it and represent it
and make it your thing,
I think that's the coolest thing ever.
I was just encouraging you.
Maybe revamp it or something.
One person you should link up with is Jay Cluster.
I'm not sure if you know who Jay Cluster is.
He plays big time a ton um but jcluster
he has something set up like his store um i i think he kind of has it set up where um like he
can have people from his stream kind of like help his store out and if people come to his store and
like buy something they can get like a little piece back and so there's like kind of like cool things you could do like that and he may have some insight on like how to keep the like
costs like low to you and things like that or like uh ideas of like ways he's gotten people to buy
merch from his streams or content or things like that um so yeah definitely uh shout out j cluster
and he's like the big time, like grandfather.
He's like the grandfather of big time.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, should be over a link in our DMs.
Yeah, for sure.
Me and him are great buddies.
So like, yeah, I'll send you over his profile.
profile but i think he he may be a good one to link up with uh for sure if you want to like
But I think he may be a good one to link up with for sure.
revamp your shop and like get uh you know um some insights uh from that uh what what he's done
yeah absolutely no i love it yeah um yeah again with the like i said with the merchants it's it's
really i just really wanted to make it for my kids and i wanted them to wear it so they can feel proud about me, but also just like, cause again, like this, my name itself is not just me in general,
like it's my kids names.
And then it's also a movement as well, what I'm building into a business and so on,
so forth.
I think the, I think the, I think the, I think the one tool that's, um, I think a one
tool, the biggest thing for creators right now, and this is stuff that I've
learned from Web2, I think everyone's learned from Web2, but we're not really building it yet,
is building your brand, right? You are the brand of what you speak into, what you represent,
right? We have a community of people that are very supportive right but you can
also have brands of people and you can represent on ideas and and and thoughts and creativity and
and just so many cool things that um that you can give out to like i love like one of the best things
about going to like events and going to these conferences and everything like that, like is getting merch, right? Because those are brands, right?
Like even though they're games or they're chains or whatever,
I like to represent them because they're willing to, you know,
have that stuff available. So then I'm like, I'm repping that brand, right?
I'm repping that project repping or whatever, but like, you know,
then that's one of the cool things about like again just overall
is that like i guess i guess you have to kind of like build yourself up to really think of a brand
but i think you should also have that uh concept in mind that um the greatest tool of being a content
creator in this space is also having the mindset of being a brand as well because eventually you
know like logan paul
for instance and and some of those guys out there they have multiple brands right like he's a brand
himself so um so once so once you start creating content getting that stuff out there um and
building yourself up then you know eventually have that mindset that that you've now become
have that mindset that that you've now become the brand in which you've envisioned yourself
and so um yeah just stay positive out there yet uh i know there's a lot of negative stuff that's
happening right now in the timeline and it's crazy out there but you know as long as you trust people
and you let's trust the right people out there um you know and you trust yourself you trust your
own instincts you know everything's going to be
good we're going to be we're going to be great through this next uh bull run i guess i would say
like i said i just love the gaming side of stuff so more the content creating of just making games
or videos of games but overall though i want you guys to be safe out there i love you guys
and as always you can do it. But appreciate you.
Thanks for having me here. Thanks, buddy. Thanks for sharing something very, very heartfelt.
That is beautiful. You're doing you for your kids and you're moving our hearts with that statement
right there. Building your brand is probably the most important thing
in this day and age.
Guys need to know what you stand for.
Guys need to think of you and feel a certain emotion.
And any tool that can aid us in that
is welcome in my corner.
Arcaders, we've done it again.
We've gone overtime and that extra time has been extra value.
It's all because of our lovely panelists.
I will ask those who are still listening.
Chill the Discord.
Oh, yeah.
Give them a follow. Run me over with the bus because i'm not
in the discord right now talking with you guys but i'm in the discord i i just am not on discord
frequently that's i just i'm on x i'm all in on x and like other it's hard to be on all of them
all the time it's it's like overload sometimes You have to like zone in and like focus sometimes
and kind of like pick and choose where you're most active, in my opinion.
Buddy, after all the tools you listed out, I don't doubt that at all.
You are everywhere, especially Linux.
Anywho, anywho,
Arcaders, bigger love to each and every one of you.
We are so back.
Catch you guys tomorrow for our game night.
To the panelists,
at a time like this, next week we'll be hosting.
In fact, our next space, just to give you guys a little bit of a teaser,
we'll have our founder, A.
B, will be a really, really hot topic concerning launch pads
and their fraudulent scenes.
Oh, yeah, we're going to talk about it.
It's going to be hot, but we're here to advance the conversation as always.
So with that being said, our traders, much love.
Make sure you follow everybody who has taken out of their day to share, to enlighten. Please, it's very important that our friends also feel the bigger electricity.
With that being said, bigger love. See you guys next Wednesday at 8 p.m. UTC. You can do it. Thank you.
