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Trolls Den ⛰️ AMA with Jimi from Treegens 🌱
Recorded: Sept. 3, 2025 Duration: 0:58:49Space Recording
Full Transcription
We're taking it higher
Up in the mountains
For north we stand tall
We trolls invite you
And some are called
Trolls in!
Trolls in!
Trolls in!
Crank in the lab
Mega space is monthly
Rock in the crab
Alpha drops thunder
Giveaways crash
Shields like Logan
Special guest splash
Hosted by Troll King, rolling the beat
Ghosted by war, yeah, I move on the street
Join the rebellion, fear the war
Trost in forever
We won the war Trolls team forever! We want more!
Space is mega epic!
Energy off the charts!
Alpha intel blasting!
Igniting your hearts!
Giveaways!
Pouring like a volcanic Flow
Shields igniting storms
Watch the legends
Grow from golden
Heights
We beckon you near
Good souls
Assemble
Conquer the fear
No things in the fortress
Just pause at a door Trolls dance The arena The fear of the stakes in the fortress Just walls that adore
Trollsden's the arena
You're assured
Trollsden!
Trollsden!
Trollsden!
Crank it up loud
Mega- space and monthly rock in the crowd
Alpha drops thunder, giveaways crash
Seals like lightning, special gets flash
Hosted by Jokeking, Roaring the peak, co-hosted by Wally,
And I move on the street,
Join the rebellion, feel the roar,
Chosen forever, we want more! No one's big child, now it's like hammers, friendship's like stone, in a mountain den, you'll never know!
Yo Jimmy, yo Jimmy, what's up?
Hello, Tron
What's up, buddy?
Great to be here, man
Okay, wait, hold on, hold on
I've actually got a tune
Which is
Made by yours truly
Let's grow
Wait, hold on, hold on
Here we go
Let's grow way on Here we go Hey
From the black chain to the oceans sure three games tonight
Open every door make sure that you share the room I guess I'm easily here, three gents and everyone else too. One, two. Let's go in this beautiful world till the love overflow.
Planning together, painting the light of freedom, future, shining so bright.
Whispers of leaves in the morning light.
The community's blooming, everything feels right.
A.R. friends sharing tales of the green
Carbon captured in a world serene
Staking our faith in the good we create
NFTs dance and celebrating our faith
From Kenya's coast to Ethiopia's call, we're weaving wonders, one tree for all.
Let's grow, regions, let's grow, roots run in deep, watch our spirits soar.
From the heart of the air
To the endless blue sky
A brighter future
You and I
Let's grow
Yeah, let's grow
In this beautiful world
Your love overflows
Planting together
Changing the light a greener future, shining so bright.
No more worries, just joy in the air, turning the tide with love and care. Feel your family strong and true.
Building tomorrow
me and you.
Feel the world
the gentle turns.
A world reborn
on the edge of
the moon.
Let's grow Seagings, let's grow.
Regions, let's grow.
A brighter future.
Let it show.
Let's grow.
Yeah, let's grow.
Regions forever.
In the feelings flow blood A brighter future
You and I
Oh yeah, let's grow
Let's freaking grow
Let's grow, brother
Let's grow
Yes, unfortunately
Because, you know, the old post
Was something that people
Maybe set a reminder to
But either way
It's okay
We can all grow the spaces right
now i just did a little raid in our tg i know some of our community will be asleep right now but uh
those that are awake can rate it and help get the word out everyone bottom right max engage
and uh yeah those who are asleep can always listen when they wake up. Great to see all of the United PFPs.
I love how y'all get to rock your own designs, but have this unifying circle.
It's a really cool connecting thing.
I love to see it.
Yeah, that's really cool.
That's really cool.
We were kind of the first ones to do it almost.
It was pretty rare in the space, if any, even.
Then after that, everyone else do it, like Green Pill Coll in the space if any even then never after that everyone else
do it like green pill collective like everyone started after us so it's quite cool i think i
think we had a good effect on many spaces because many hosts reacted to it like uh you know it's
quite good visually it's capturing and um definitely you can show support without being on the stage so i think it's very cleverly done as
well uh but yeah you're a trendsetter man yeah we are we also we always have ahead of the curve
and that's the thing right and the payments uh is still not people still talk about fucking next
cat coin or whatever it is uh you know they will wake up soon enough. But either way, good to have you here, brother.
And it's recorded space after all, so people can tune in later.
So we can try to make this as informative as possible.
And if you have anything you want to cover, just please go ahead.
But also because we talked to you some weeks ago right a half an hour before
the launch or just on the last day of the pre-sale phase three so we have a rough idea but if you
just want to go over a little bit who you are first like uh like a five minute pitch something
because we have to close it down in anyway like 45 minutes or so. So yeah, just first that, then you can go over,
you know, a little bit to refi, what it stands for,
what's the narrative and also maybe some impact,
how people, you know, really makes a difference
just by investing and engaging with the tree gens.
Right on, man.
Yeah, so trifecta of a question there. who am i like the the kind of backstory i guess
there um about refi as a narrative and then the impact that people can make so i'll try to touch
on all of those three so i'm jimmy i'm a tree gen and basically all a tree gen is is a person that
wants to make an impact through technology so that sounds like you then you're a tree gen is, is a person that wants to make an impact through technology. So if that sounds like you, then you're a tree gen too.
And basically, how I got here is I, well, you know, I planted my first tree when I was
four years old.
Mother's an environmentalist.
They were illegally cutting down eucalyptus gum trees in Australia.
A bunch of different trees.
But because of this particular one, you know, certain animals like the koalas were going extinct in this area. So I kind of grew up around that to some extent.
But actually it was in 2019 when forest fires engulfed my home country of Australia. You might
have seen on the news, it was one of the worst forest fires in history. You know, three billion
animals burnt alive, you know? This is like hundreds of holocausts and you know when
people see messed up things they typically look away but i forced myself to watch those videos
and um it was heartbreaking you know like seeing these animals like struggling for air and on fire
and i just know that these are sentient beings, right? Like they can experience
pain and pleasure. And, and it was really messed up. And I felt really like down for a moment. But
then I, I decided to try to do something about it, you know, and this is like back when Facebook
fundraisers were a big thing. So I launched a little Facebook fundraiser. And I just went on
camera, even though I looked like I was not in a good place. I just went live and just started sharing about what was happening and how I was feeling about it and what people could try to do to make a difference.
And we ended up raising thousands of dollars.
And of course, it didn't change the whole situation, but it did actually make a tangible difference.
You know, I know that the people on the ground were able to to get out there.
I saw videos of, you know know when the animals got like a
bottle of water and like the koala's like drinking this bottle of water like like these these little
moments of hope and when like humans were brave enough to go into the fire and take action and
try to do what they could um that that made me feel unlike i've ever felt before right i felt this
i felt this rush it was like you know way more energizing than coffee.
This was pure passion that was just coursing through my veins.
And I felt this energy that could fuel me to just do so much more of this stuff.
And it's unlike any other feeling I've ever experienced.
And this is really what's enabled me to just grind unlike ever before and just push through any sort of pain, resistance, challenge that's come my way.
And I've been through a lot of challenges.
I've been through a lot of obstacles.
I've been through a lot of different things that probably most people, if you weren't passionate about this stuff, you would have given up.
But I planted trees for 24 hours nonstop pretty much until I eventually broke the Guinness world record.
I did this on three different occasions and it was always a stepping stone towards breaking the record of most number of trees planted by any number of people, large groups, movements around the world.
At the time when I was trying to do it, the record was 560 million.
At the time when I was trying to do it, the record was 560 million.
Now, thanks to what we ended up supporting, the record is 714 million trees planted in 24 hours.
And our big goal is a billion in 24 hours because I know that this will be a catalyst towards many, many other such records happening.
Everyone thought that it was impossible to run an entire mile in four minutes until the year that someone did it.
And that same year, dozens of other people did it. Now thousands of people have even high school kids. And so the only thing that changes is people can see what's
possible. And I want to show people what's possible. I want to put the tree planters,
the change makers up on a pedestal, celebrate them. That's why we did the Growlympic Games.
But to have planetary scale impact, right, like literally all across the world, we need to have planetary scale impact, right? Like literally all across the world,
we need to have decentralized, massive action
that can be gamified, that can be rewarded.
And that is exactly what TreeGens is set out to accomplish.
So we were about to launch
what's called the proof of tree protocol.
And today we've already done
more than 1.2 million mangrove trees.
We've already got the Guinness world record.
We've already formed all these partnerships.
We've already built an incredible amount of technology, which is all open source.
And that's what got us voted first place three times on Gitcoin grants, this competitive
grant program.
So we do this stuff up front, but the best is definitely yet to come.
I mean, proof of tree is going to be an absolute game changer in terms of, I mean, our mission
is to build the most rewarding and transparent tree planting technology. And the reason that's our mission is because I saw a study by the
University of Waterloo where basically the year after nonprofits get this seal of transparency,
donations go up 56% on average, which is a massive jump. And that just goes to show that there's so much funds that is just on the sidelines
that would love to flow towards the impact if people really knew where it was going.
And so that's what the beauty of the blockchain can actually accomplish
if properly leverage for this stuff.
So the way that this will work is whenever someone wants to fund trees,
they can use a currency which is on-chain.
They can see on-chain how how 95 of that goes directly to
the planters and then five percent goes to verifiers the verifiers are our dow members
so when you're staking our tgn governance token you're not just earning more of the same token
last i checked it was around 69 apy let's freaking grow noise uh but you're also going to be earning
five percent of these ecological credits so tree. You get to become a verifier.
Similar to how proof of stake works with Ethereum, right?
Your tokens are at stake when you do these verification activities.
It's super simple.
It's just tick four boxes.
But by doing that, you can verify that trees are planted correctly in a decentralized and scalable way.
And you can also be earning these additional ecological credits.
So there's multiple rewards, but there's also accountability
so that people don't maliciously verify, right?
Their tokens are at stake.
And so that's proof of tree.
But you asked me about the refi narrative.
I mean, this is one of the most supportive
and incredible movements I've ever come across.
It also falls onto RWA, right? Real world assets,
but refi stands for regenerative finance. And it's leveraging finance to regenerate nature.
It's leveraging all these things to live in cohesion with nature and to thrive with nature.
And so it started with tokenizing carbon credits. Carbon credits is a 900 billion a year industry.
But it's grown and blossomed out of that to have many different ecological impacts.
So we are going to be a big player in the carbon space and doing carbon forwards to
scale exponentially and take those RWAs and back the liquidity of our tokens as these
projects kick off in the short to medium
term but um but yeah i guess that's a bit of a bit of a thing about refi and your third point
oh you got your hand up so i'll throw the mic back to you hot potato
yeah i asked why i wanted to tell you too that if you want to chop it up more, we can do more back and forth also.
If it's too much to cover at the same time, because that's where I most likely try.
I like to keep it back and forth.
So yeah, definitely you covered now a little bit your background and a bit about refi and how TGEN is going to help out with that, with basically giving the benefits to the planters
and to them provide much more back to the nature, right?
You want to create a balance.
So I really appreciate how you have been thinking about this
and how it's going to be a reward token too, right?
So it's basically make a living if you plant trees.
So it's something that's necessary and something that's, you know,
the planters doesn't really get enough money for what they do.
Most likely they also do it voluntarily anyway.
So I think it's a good way to get many people on board
and also to integrate some ai technology to it it's
clever as well so we can cover that later a little bit more about nfts and so on but yeah
please go over a little bit the impact of this uh how people um you know can make impact by
investing and staking tgn and be a part of the DAO. Yeah, man, thank you. Yeah, we're leaning
heavy into AI in so many different ways. So definitely a lot to unpack there. But yeah, so
as I kind of touched on briefly, there are two sort of tokens in this ecosystem. Right now,
there's one TGN is the foundation, it's our main token. It's kind of like a, you know, a stock in the organization, but it's more like a DAO voting token.
There are three core functions of TGN, and that is to vote, verify, and grow. So the first one
is voting. So in order to have large scale, you know, planetary verification and rewards for that regeneration, right?
We need people to be verifying that these trees are done. That's how kind of proof of tree works.
Voting is, you know, this can be for certain carbon projects that we're going to be undertaking,
different strategic decisions of the DAO. there'll be many different voting opportunities every single tgn token is a vote um and then growth like so so unfortunately most
people here probably have not come across refi and um well it has made some big waves like uh
you know some some shark tank investors uh what was his name the basketball guy um oof uh it's gonna hit me in a sec but uh but basically
like he invested in this you know big one called cleat metal that tokenized carbon credits um you
know that was uh that's a whole other story but that's kind of like the pioneers that did initially
put on the map but unfortunately most people have not heard of refi right and so we are going to be
changing that in a very big way um you know, by a like making history and breaking these records.
We've already been on the BBC, thanks to our community.
But we're going to have massive mainstream media attention once we get the billion trees. AI is we've developed a social FI platform that rewards people every single second just for
growing the movement and posting about it. So this can apply for XPX2 if you wanted to
tap into this. We're going to have a few other groups that are aligned to be beta testers of it.
But basically, the way that it works is folks can post, they can use your ticker, they can tag you,
and depending on the real engagement that they get, emphasis on real there, right? People will
definitely try to bot it, but we have a ton, a ton, a ton of different ways of detecting if it
is a real person that's engaging,
they can actually be earning these token rewards every single second.
And the way that this works is it's called superfluid.
And basically the flow rate, right, is adjusted automatically at midnight UTC.
And the tokens are literally, you know, flowing every single second. It's not like
you have to do a transaction every time you send tokens. It's the actual flow is the transaction,
which is really cool. And so, yeah, this is one way so that people can, you know, be posting,
grinding, getting the word out every single day, constantly, you know, growing the movement.
And this is the token for that.
It's also the token for the tree economy.
What I mean by that is, so our vision is a world where anyone can plant trees and earn a living, right?
And we're initially just tokenizing mangrove trees because A, mangroves, we have a very great methodology for them. We've
got nine mangrove advisors with like decades of experience between them. Mangrove sequester eight
to 10 times the carbon out of the atmosphere compared with all terrestrial forests. They
help with biodiversity. So many different animals thrive around them. There's a ton and ton of
reasons why mangroves are an incredible tree. You know, you can, you can plant them directly
without the need for nurseries. They can desalinate ocean water. It's an insanely great tree. But the vision is a world where anyone can plant trees and earn a living.
And the way that we're accomplishing that is actually through tokenizing each type of tree
as NFTs. So in the proof of tree protocol, you can literally film before and after any tree that
you want. This will become an NFT, which we will help you sell and then the currency for buying it is tgn and again 95 goes directly to
you as a planter so that's one way you can make it an impact you can also make an impact by joining
the the dow right like uh you you can you can get tgn token on literally any um token with any on
any network which is wild um i i used to think that you had to build liquidity
pools on every single token pair and network. But nowadays with Relay.link, there's a link
in our bio for that. You can very easily get this token. You can get 69% APY, which it's a variable
APY, depending on the number of stakers and the amounts, you know, in the reward pool,
it's currently 100k for the year, but, or over to use rather. So, so yeah, that's, that's the
main way, right? And then be active in the DAO, right? Contribute in many different ways. There's
something called Gitcoin Citizens, which is basically, like, any individual can have their
own sort of page where people can donate and get TGN,
like matching, depending on the number of contributors.
It's heavily weighed over the amounts that they contribute.
It's this quadratic funding formula.
Vitalik Buterin actually co-authored the paper on this.
And yeah, so like we have a ton of different ways to reward contributors.
And there are so many different ways that you can support a DAO, right?
It's, there's, I believe there's three core methods, three categories in which anyone can make an impact.
It's time, it's value, and it's money. So you might have more abundance in one of those
categories over the other. And so yeah, just in whatever way, shape or form, there are ways to do
it. Go ahead, Trollking.
Yeah, so that's really interesting. So in order to become a verifier, there is a certain amount of TGN you need to hold,
right?
Or to be an active DAO member to vote.
To vote, not necessarily.
You can vote with every token as one. But to become? To vote, not necessarily. You can vote with any, every token is one,
but to become a verifier, yes. If you want to be a verifier in proof of tree protocol,
it's minimum 2000 TGN, which today is like, yeah, if you don't have that amount, but you're a trustworthy and respected person within the grow munitry and you wanted to be doing these things, then you can actually still become a verifier through what's called delegation so i can delegate tokens to you and um you know and and we can share
in the token rewards basically or i can just let you keep all the token rewards by being a delegated
person in proof of tree uh but if you like maliciously or carelessly verify trees then
it'll be my tokens on the line right the slashing slashing mechanism is in place. And so, yeah, there's both rewards and accountability.
So, yeah, there's a little bit of a minimum,
but that's not to stop anyone.
You know, anyone can be a part of the DAO,
even if you don't have money by earning it.
You know, you can get rewarded in various ways.
But even if you literally have no money
and haven't earned the tokens,
if you're like, if you're just an amazing person who's very trustworthy, then we can delegate to you and
you can be verifying those trees and earning the ecological credits. Go ahead, Cholking.
Nice. No, but I think it's good to have some kind of minimum right. So people actually invest it it brings buy pressure but also you know because you have a good
good way about it right so the 95 percent of the profit goes to the planters and five percent to
the verifiers so i think it's you know if you if you should be able to to grant or to earn
what can i say an amount that's not that's a little bit substantial, right?
It's good to know that they have at least invested.
I don't like...
Okay, there is...
You know, work should be rewarded.
Your time should be rewarded.
But I think so that it's...
I don't like too much when it's freebies
because then it's, you know, it's hurting the chart.
So I like to have some kind of
minimum requirements but let's let's say that you are like me right even though mangroves are super
cool super good trees for like you said many reasons um me i live up in the north right we
don't have that kind of exotic trees here so what is the how can i know what is the best uh trees to
plant because here we mostly do uh fear fear trees and uh pine trees right like these christmas trees
and this kind of winter green uh trees um yeah so what do we know about this and how can we get rewarded for planting?
Right. You know, that's a really good question.
And I had a great call with a fellow in Switzerland.
They started something called Utopia and they had this mapping protocol.
They're also very much like regions into this kind of refi stuff that we're into.
And they're going to be helping us map out all of the different locations and different tree planting opportunities so like
in your you know local environment if there's like a non-profit or different tree planting locations
things like this yeah it's very important to plant the right trees in the right areas and so
that is something that's a little bit in the works through these
grow collaborations i'm big on collabs and through that we're going to be mapping out what are the
trees that you can be planting you know in your area right um but you know if a good rule of thumb
is if you see something naturally growing then it is probably a good tree to be planting in that
area you can you can use that.
You can also, nowadays with AI,
there's a lot of amazing data that's open sourced
or available for people.
You know, you can,
I don't know if anyone's tried like the AI mode on Google.
It's actually insane.
Like in like a second,
you can get like 100 plus different sources
and things like this available to you.
Like it's insanely fast.
I used to think Gemini was terrible,
but it's actually making a good comeback.
So like, there's a few ways
you can kind of get some of that data,
but like also just going out, you know,
on your nature walk,
just like take note of what trees are around there, right?
And if you just use Grok on X,
you know, it's got a camera feature.
You can ask Grok like,
hey, what kind of tree is this?
And you can go to your local nursery.
You can do that.
An easy way to, you know, a free way that you can be planting trees as well is that,
you know, pretty much everyone here eats fruit, right? You can take that fruit, you can germinate
the seed, you can plant the germinated seeds, you know, in your backyard and tend to it and
grow a little fruit tree, right? Like this is, there's something that anyone can do. But, but like I said, you know, there's more, someone might have more abundance in one of
those other categories, right? Time, value, or money. If you want to put in the time,
I recommend everyone touches tree and like gets out in nature. It's actually really good for your,
your mental health and, you know, just being connected and realizing we're not separate
from nature. We're a part of nature and we should be taking care of it. But then again, if you don't have time to really be planting a whole ton of
trees yourself, I bet you probably have a lot of value you could add to a DAO. Maybe you have a lot
of great knowledge or an amazing network, and you can connect someone, and that's like a very quick
thing for you to do, but could add a whole ton of value to the organization right and then the third way is is of course money you know you might have
a very busy job and you're working long hours you don't have a lot of time but you can very quickly
just buy some trees you can buy an nft that virtually levels up as you fund and plant trees
and you know you can you can join a dow you can be active members like this is something that
takes a second to do now with relay you don't have to bridge and swap and la-di-da.
I bought TGN with Solana, even though we're on base, in one transaction.
Like no bridge and then swap.
And it's very, very easy to do.
So whether if you got more time, if you got more value, if you got more money, there's
There's always ways to make a difference.
always ways to make a difference.
There's always ways to make an impact.
And because we can, we must.
of not going the best direction, but we can steer it in a much better one if we all take
action.
So let's grow.
United we stand.
Everything comes, you know, in strength, in numbers, right?
And yeah, it takes the collective
to understand and to make a difference so it's just you know like you said too right because
there they could be like 100 other tokens saying that they're gonna do stuff but to be having you
representing three gens and uh with your network, with your real-life presence, right?
With also attention from the world records and you out there pushing it, it's making it more legit.
It's like walk-to-walk, not just talking.
Because I would not invest my money in someone who say that, oh, we're going to plant trees, a billion trees.
And sitting there, they have nothing to show for
it right so i like that for sure and yeah if if i plant the mangrove tree here in sweden it's gonna
die within a couple of months i guess but but yeah so i know what trees is good here locally
and everything obviously because i'm a farmer too and i grow I have I have woods too but for example it's quite expensive up here
and we have a lot of wood it's not like oh the governments want you to go out and plant here
so it's not like that right it's a little bit harder for us to do a difference unless you have land yourself or if you you know borrow land from someone
but let's let's go through that a little bit let's say that because you know also to be
a little bit more efficient with the money because i don't know what it costs for you guys but just
to buy buy a tree here costs pretty much money it's not like it's uh you know
making cuttings of a tree or just put in the ground or it's uh you know here you need to have
it rooted you need to uh you need you need to buy small plants basically um so it costs the
you know at least 10 bucks per tree if you even buy super small.
So, you know,
how much is it worth it?
Is it worth it for me to buy an apple tree for, I don't know,
it costs around 100 bucks here in Sweden to buy a tree,
a small tree in a store.
Is it worth for me to buy that and plant it
and tokenize it?
That's a good question. I mean, worth it is a multifaceted thing, right? Like,
it could be worth it even if you had zero reward because of the fulfillment that you could get,
you might actually genuinely enjoy the process, right? And then what can we stack on top of that?
Because some people might be thinking about worth it in
terms of, you know, the monetary terms. And if it's not a mangrove tree, then it's not a liquid
reward. It's an NFT, which can be purchased with TGN and you earn all of that or 95% of that. And
this comes down to how much you want to charge for it, right? You could actually set any price
within proof of tree and we try to sell it for you.
I think we're one of the few ecosystems
that will actively be grinding
to try to sell your NFTs, right?
To make it financially worth it for you.
But then another aspect of worth it
is like the gamification, right?
Like, so we have leaderboards
and our NFTs visually level up
as you fund trees and plant trees, right?
And so you might be moving
up the leaderboard and feeling really, you know, engaged in this game and different prizes that
are happening beyond like what you can sell your NFT for. And then finally, there's like the social
impact, right? The social flex rather, right? Like you might want to show the world like, yo,
this is my impact and I'm doing something cool, right. And as your
NFT is visually leveling up, it is kind of a flex. And you know, that's, that's kind of a big reason
why people buy, you know, a brand, or they want to say something about themselves, right. So,
so that alone could make it worth it for someone that you're planting these trees, and you're,
you know, you're, you're, you're, you're signaling to the world, you know, how much of a change maker you are and the impact that you are tangibly making on the ground.
So, yeah, I think worth it means different things to different people.
And no matter what is motivating you, whether it's the flex, it's the money, it's the impact, we are going to be heavily, you know, trying to optimize for all of those
and so we want it to be worth it
for everyone to do this
and that's the goal
the first goal is a billion trees in 24 hours
and we made it
71.4% of the way
there which is pretty amazing
once we accomplish that billion
the next goal is going to be 8 billion. One for
every human in the world. The world can't plant one tree in a day. If there's anything that's
going to unite the globe, I think this is something that literally everyone can do.
Of course, most people will plant more than one and some will not participate but but we can we can outplant that
such that that is the average you know that so that's going to be the next goal i've already got
the next goal in the bag ready to go nice yeah yeah obviously there's many aspects of it and
you know doing it for the passion of the nature and the planet is uh something i carry with me
but from from a financial perspective that was what I was going for.
Because you said, you know, make a living out of planting, right?
And then it comes back to the NFTs.
So how much is it?
Is it based on numbers of trees?
How do one fund?
Let's say that I have money that I want to fund the tree planters with, you know, to get my mind orb a little bit brighter on my PFV or my NFT.
But by the way, I know what you can invent to make sure that we will get everywhere we want to.
It's from the lyrics from one of my favorite rappers.
If we could get Wi-Fi signals from the tree, then everyone will plant them if we could get wifi signals from the tree then everyone
would plant them and we would save the planet for free
you know the wifi
signal install that into the
trees everyone plant them everywhere
you know I see it's a joke
but it's people are
stupid right they just care for that
kind of stuff but either way
yeah that aspect
is the financial part it's worth it to go
around and and plant and try to make a living out of it that's what i yeah yeah well this is a this
is a vision it's not a tomorrow thing you know this is ultimately what we are striving for is
a world where anyone can plant trees and earn a living. And I do think it's definitely
possible to get there. And the way that we're going to get there is very multifaceted. I mean,
there's the philanthropic aspect, you know, like pre-launch we did 1.2 million trees and that was
purely because organizations from the bottom of their heart and individuals wanted to fund trees,
right? But beyond the charity aspect, there's also
the carbon markets, right? This is a massive, massive industry, you know, 900 billion per year.
Every year, that's how many carbon credits are transacted. And it's forecasted to reach 1.6
trillion because some of the biggest companies in the world have pledged to go carbon neutral,
like Amazon and Google already has been since 2007.
And Google's just growing, growing, growing. Right. As you move towards AGI and ASI, like they actually need a lot of energy, which have emissions.
And therefore, they have to offset every single ton of carbon they emit into the atmosphere by buying these credits.
And so so how are we going to ensure that we reach this ultimate vision of a world where anyone can
plant trees and earn a living from that? Well, we're going to be backing the tokens with carbon
fords, right? So if you plant a mangrove tree today, for example, it takes 25 years to sequester
about 308 kilograms of carbon on average. And this happens, you know, according
to a bell curve. So the first five years, there's not a lot of sequestration. So there's not a lot
of funds that you can leverage unless you're doing something called carbon forward. So a carbon
forward is where you can sell the future value of carbon credits in the short term. And even though
you're selling it at a discount because of the time value
of money, it's still approximately nine times more money than what it costs to plant those trees in
the first place. And so this means that you can multiply the trees, right? You can multiply them
about nine times and then you can take that now multiplied nine-time tree area and you can sell a carbon
forward on that, right?
And you can sell the future value of those carbon credits and then you can multiply again.
And then you repeat this process and repeat this process.
And 1 million mangrove trees is only six carbon forward deals away from 531 billion trees, right?
And so now this is how we can become a multi-billion dollar carbon project developer.
And then as a DAO, remember every TGN token is a vote.
So we get to vote on how these funds are used.
Like if you have an opportunity to do your own carbon project where the profits could be split with the DAO and you can still benefit from it, but you're ultimately going to grow our mission.
And we're going to vote on that together collectively.
And we could invest in your carbon project, for example.
Right.
Or maybe it's a
biodiversity credit thing. This is becoming a new asset class of how you can help biodiversity.
But then we're also going to vote on taking those funds and adding to the liquidity of these tokens.
Now, initially, we're only making a liquid token for mangrove trees, right? Because, you know,
fungible tokens are just that. They're fungible, meaning they're the same. But one mangrove trees, right? Because, you know, fungible tokens are just that they're fungible, meaning they're the same. But one mangrove tree does not equal a redwood. One redwood does not
equal a gum tree and a eucalyptus tree. These are very different ecological impacts that are
happening. And so, but, but in proof of tree, we have an AI tree counting mechanism and we need our
AI to be count, to be trained up up to count all of the various different types of
trees and so initially it's retroactive funding if it's not a mangrove you plant a mangrove you
can get paid today boom you get verified you get your tokens you can sell them you can put food on
the table happy days but if you're planting a different type of tree it's an NFT we help you
sell them it takes a bit of time great and then we're taking that data, the video data,
and we're training up our AI models. And the AI models would then enable us to tokenize all
different types of trees, right? So that those are also liquid tokens. And those can also be
backed with more liquidity from our DAO's carbon projects. And this beautiful flywheel can keep
growing, growing, growing. And the cost of our carbon projects can go down because planters are
earning tokens around them. But then we can also take funds from those projects and add to
the liquidity and do decentralized planting rewards. So this is how we can ultimately make
it, you know, you can't have environmental regeneration at scale without social impact,
right? This is like the cornerstone, the foundation for environmental
impact is social impact, right? Because at the end of the day, the reason that people are cutting the
trees is because they need the money, right? Like in Kenya, for example, you can go to prison for
five years if you're caught cutting mangrove
trees down because they know how important they are for all different types of things,
including coastal erosion and help from all these different things. But people still do it.
People still cut them. And the reason they do it, look, imagine if you had to put food on your
table tonight and you're not sure how else to do it. Or if your mother needs medicine and she could die, like you're going to do whatever it takes, right?
And so that's why we're trying to make this massive, you know, almost trillion dollar industry available to the people at the ground.
That is the beauty of the blockchain.
That is how we can decentralize these funds and make it available to the people at the ground. That is the beauty of the blockchain. That is how we can decentralize these funds
and make it available to people.
All you need is a smartphone,
or even if your buddy has a smartphone, right?
They fill before and after.
They get it verified.
They get the tokens.
They get to sell them.
They get to buy food that night.
They get to buy their mom medicine.
And not just that,
we're also exploring different microfinancing solutions
to support businesses
that depend on these ecosystems and ultimately solve those social problems for economics
such that, you know, ultimately trees have to be more valuable when they're alive than
when they're dead.
That's what it comes down to.
And until they're more valuable when they're dead than when they're alive, we're going to keep seeing the destruction of nature.
We've already seen two trillion trees getting wiped off the face of this earth.
Two trillion.
And we have a long way to grow.
So that's why we're thinking big and then we're thinking about scale.
Go ahead, buddy.
Yeah, definitely.
It's the same for us here too, right? Sweden is, I think, one of the biggest countries when it comes to export of wood. Just for that reason, obviously. That's what we have as a natural source. But yeah, definitely interesting take on it so just a couple of questions how can you walk it a little bit
through the process how do one choose to fund um fund trees so they have to buy and burn or is it
like sending the tokens to a giveaway wallet or how does it work for let's say that i want to
contribute to some some mangrove planting in Kenya or whatever.
Walk me through the process from me, how I do, and how it's ending up in their hands, their profit.
Right.
So if it's a mangrove tree, right?
So all of these different videos, no matter what trees that are planted,
are going to be available in a really nice globe interface that we're building out with General Magic. They're a really nice UI, UX design firm.
And if it's a mangrove tree, then the planters have already gotten their tokens, but their videos will be for sale as NFTs.
And then immediately upon purchase of those videos with mgrow as the currency the
tokens get burnt so this is creating a nice like buy pressure because you need the tokens to get
the nfts and then that is just burnt because the planters they already get their tokens liquid
immediately right if it's a different type of tree non-mangrove then you can use TGN to buy it. TGN is the currency for every other
type of tree and 95% of those tokens then go to the planters on the ground and 5% go to the
verifiers. So if you're planting mangroves instant rewards if you're planting other trees it is
retroactive rewards. If you're planting mangroves, emgrove is the currency. If you're planting other trees, it's TGN. And TGN can be used for many things. I mean, it's for buying all those other
types of tree videos. It's also going to be for .TGN wallet addresses. Anyone who bought in the
pre-sales already been greenlisted to get their .TGN wallets. Already, it's a wallet function
that you get to own forever. But pretty soon soon it's going to also have agentic functionality.
So just through conversation, you can do things like dollar cost average in
or trade different things or get it to buy or swap
or do all kinds of different on-chain activities for you.
And what we're going to do is if you're posting and you have .tgn in your username,
you're going to get an airdrop.
So shout out to Karen.
You got a little bit of TGN today because you
have it in your username and you dropped your wallet address. And, you know, if you're doing
good things in the grow munitry, then you're going to be getting TGN to that wallet address in future.
So, yeah, I hope you, if you did buy into the presale, I hope you mint your name.tgn,
I hope you meant your name.tgn.
It's a fresh thing, kind of like ENS, except it's forever,
and it's going to soon be with agentic functionality,
which is pretty cool.
Go ahead, Troking.
Nice.
So let's say that I have a field that I want to plant,
many fair trees, for example.
Let's say that I wanted to tokenize these trees.
Does it work with the AI model, proof of tree,
to do the whole field itself?
Or is it tree by tree?
Or how many can you do to be efficient in the same time?
Okay, so if this is a non-mangrove tree, right,
the AI is currently not trained for every single type of tree.
There are so many different types of trees in the world, right?
But the video itself, so you manually put in the number of trees you manually set your own price
and then it's available kind of in our like marketplace type globe interface right and then
and then yeah that's then sold for whatever you want to sell it for. And then the data is used, the video data, right,
to train up the AI such that in the future,
once we have enough data, we can very quickly count it.
And this is something that actually we've already been speaking
with the Guinness World Records group with,
and that is to have our proof of tree tech used for the billion tree
verification they actually used to have a official guinness world record for most trees planted in
multiple locations by a group but they removed it and now it's only in one location and not even
one country but like one actual like location
that's where like ethiopia hasn't made their world record guinness official it's frankly
insulting to them to say because they can only have one little area where maximum you can plant
like two million trees and they did 714 million this year in a day actually it's many billions
throughout the year i believe it's like 7 billion trees. And so why do they remove it?
Why do they make it only one location?
Well, it's because of the verification challenges of being able to reliably do that across many different locations.
Well, that's exactly what TreeGens is solving, right?
Extraordinarily transparent tree tracking technology at scale across the world. And
so like, you can't just like find a video online and upload it and say, look what I did, right?
Because you have to film within the application. And GPS is automatically captured when you do that.
is automatically captured when you do that.
And then AI counts it, and then multiple verifiers with tokens that are actually at stake,
holding them accountable, then also verify in order to say, yes, a tree was planted here.
Yes, a field of trees were planted here.
So today, AI is not there for every single type of tree to instantly count it, but we have the mechanisms and the path to get there. can very accurately count them and verify for the official guinness world records so that we can have
at least 10 countries officially participating and going all out to reach the 100 you know the
1 billion tree goal in 24 hours and uh and then yeah so that's how we're going to get there is
by people turning it into nft and getting those tree sales done.
Nice, nice.
I'm looking forward to it.
It sounds like you have a good idea of how to run this as a business and also to provide impact for, you know.
I like when it's, you know, profit, you know, that makes a difference as well, that have impact in it.
It's something that resonates with me and many others, I think, too, to actually, you know, connect crypto to your passion, which for me is obviously animals and nature.
So it's really something, a deep passion for me too i also seen
um you know dead orangutans and all of these animals koalas and you know being more or less
burnt alive and it's it's terrible to see these videos and i also as i'm a vegan, of course, I've also seen a lot behind the facades, right?
I've seen many videos from inside of slaughterhouses where they definitely brutally treat the animals.
So I don't want to be a part of this shit system.
So that's why I became a vegan.
And I was a meat eater and I didn't care for that, first of all.
But yeah, so I'm a farmer, a vegan farmer,
and you can try to figure out how popular that is.
You know, if I speak to any farmer here,
they only talk about meat and milk and their cows and animals.
And I'm like, no, no, no.
My animals are just for company.
They are family members and valuable ones too.
So I don't kind of treat them or
you know what do you use them for how do you get money on them and like i don't care for money man
i want to give them a long happy life so that's why i i take care of them and yeah of course it's
expensive like hell and i don't have that much income that's why i came to crypto in the first
place i can i can make a living but also help
others animals and souls and also the nature if i can so before we round this up uh wally do you
have any question for jimmy i just had one like where you were talking about like the carbon
footprint credits and how they do the funding and that kind of stuff and you're talking about how
certain things are kind of limited to like certain areas is that because of them like saying when they do
funding they say okay well we're only gonna do like carbon funding for this area instead of like
saying for the whole world they're only saying that they'll only put in enough for this certain
space or whatever on us or was that too confusing oh you're cutting out just a little bit there sorry you're saying
uh who's doing carbon funding for one area no you were talking about how you're limited for
planting areas and that kind of stuff or whatever and i was just wondering if that's because of
like the way they structure the funding to like buy up the land or whatever for you to be able
to plant the trees and save it for you know
a carbon footprint and stuff so i didn't know if maybe it was like limited to a certain area
depending on how they did the funding is that is that how that works
oh um well i um Well, I'm not sure they said the limitation on air.
So here's the thing.
If you want to do a carbon project, right?
And yeah, you're right that actually in some cases there are buyers of carbon credits that only want to fund carbon credits from a specific geographical area.
that only want to fund carbon credits from a specific geographical area.
Though I think in most cases, it's kind of area agnostic
in the sense that you could have carbon credits from a variety of areas.
The challenge with planting, yeah, you do need the rights to the carbon credits
of these specific areas that you want to be doing the planting, etc.
And a lot of times with mangroves, it's in government land.
So you have to partner with governments on this stuff. And sometimes they don't always have a framework for doing so. And so
it's this long, like kind of bureaucratic process. But thankfully, over in Brazil,
there's something called the Brazilian Carbon Credit Cooperative. And they have, they have,
they have actually a lot of private land that's mangroves, and they also have community land. So it's owned by various community-based organizations. So that is much, way better. I personally would much rather partner with an individual or a community than with government because it just takes so long and you know sometimes it's like corruption all this different stuff and it's like like let's just deal with the people and the communities like it's it's way better to just have like
really great agreements there and also like these are the stewards of the land right like we want
to be sharing in the proceeds from these carbon projects with the stewards of the land because
they're going to have a lot more you know incentive to be there and to defend it and to protect it and to ultimately take care of the different ecosystems.
And so, yeah, that's our focus.
We're focusing a lot more on private land and community land.
And Brazil is going to be the place to do that.
And Brazil also, it turns out, is the place where COP30 is going to be this year.
It's the biggest environmental conference in the world.
We're like United Nations coming together, a lot of impact investors
and so we're going to have our first ever carbon project
in Brazil before that happens
in November and
it's all coming together and it's very exciting
times. Go ahead, Cholking.
That's my cue. I need to get
back to work and
I really appreciate your time
Jimmy and this is recorded so it's a
replay value in it so hopefully it can educate more people than this audience but i want to
thank everyone for coming and listening in and also obviously uh jimmy wally and everyone there to uh tina we have a gorilla mr mo karen we have boomy dantes falcofy
uh marisha and that i can't pronounce kathy queen kathy queen and josh mia welcome in everyone and
thank you all for listening and supporting treetons and see you around thank you all
yeah thanks jimmy and thanks, for coming this morning and supporting.
Much love.
Kaipi Queen, I think.
That's how I've been pronouncing it over the years.
What's love got to do with it?
No, just kidding.
You guys have a great day.
All right, take care, fam.
Much love.
