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‼️TRUMP GOES AFTER @elonmusk ON BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL • THREATENS FUNDING
Recorded: July 1, 2025 Duration: 2:16:43Space Recording
Short Summary
Tensions rise as Trump and Musk clash over the Big Beautiful Bill, highlighting critical trends in government spending and its implications for the crypto industry. The conversation reveals potential growth opportunities tied to tax cuts and border security funding, while also raising concerns about the sustainability of partnerships reliant on government subsidies.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. all right you guys i am unsure how long i'm gonna keep this space going i just
want to kind of cover what's going on um in case things pop off
because Trump is
taking jabs at Elon Musk
I guess probably because
Elon is opposing the Big Beautiful
Bill, threatening the primary
people who support it
Elon has been very
non-vocal towards President Trump
since the first time that they clashed over the big, beautiful bill.
And Elon obviously made some really scathing accusations towards Trump.
And he had pretty much gone quiet, gone dark politically for a couple of weeks,
but it didn't last too long because he started posting about it this last week
and has really picked up the pace over the last couple of days.
It's really, really increased.
So, yeah, I have a post up here in the Jumbotron.
It says,
President Trump dropped a skating post at Elon Musk
and threatens to cut government subsidies to his companies.
Quote,
Elon may get more subsidy than any other human being in history by far.
And without subsidies,
Elon would probably have to close shop and head back home to South Africa.
No more rocket launches satellites or electric
car production and our country would save a fortune perhaps we should have doge take a hard
good hard look at this uh big money to be saved so he is threatening uh elon's companies there
Unfortunately, I don't feel like this is doing anybody any favors.
unfortunately i don't like this is doing anybody any favors um
But yeah.
What's up, Frank?
Yeah, man.
It's just, I'm not surprised by this.
I knew there was going to be a part two to this argument between Trump and Elon.
I never would have knew that it was going to be taken this far now.
But again, I'm really not surprised by it at all.
To be honest.
It's another big dog and pony show.
I mean, it's the same thing.
Every time. dog and pony show like i mean it's the same thing i mean every time and guess what elon's gonna get richer i guarantee you that how much you want to bet on this
i don't have the patience this late to deal with you uh talking over people bro sorry about that
request learn how to not to do that and then i'll bring you back up. Finish what you were saying, Frank. It's all right. Thanks, Diligent. But to be honest,
I just, yeah, I'm tired. I'm just really tired of the infighting because everybody knows that
these guys would work so together. And now Elon just threw it away over this.
I mean, that's what I'm trying to figure out.
What is it possibly that Elon has against the one big beautiful belt?
That's the question everybody's asking right now.
I mean, I'm not going to lie to you.
I'm not a big fan of it now either
i was like on the it sounded it seemed like it was okay in the first uh round house draft of the bill
um when we worked out the mathematics of it which we were you know we were very optimistic
it wasn't that bad like it was not anywhere near the debt spending that we see now,
right? That we see in the Senate version of the bill. The Senate increased spending by a trillion
dollars. It was almost $2 trillion, I believe. And they also rolled back some of trump's tax cuts and so that increased the increased the cost
but they didn't cut spending in other areas um so that makes the overall price tag of the bill
heavier right so you know they they they added pork to it is what they did you know they added
a bunch of fucking pork to it it wasn't great to begin with spending wise, but it got the job done without adding a bunch of prolonged debt to the country.
And now that they've gotten their hands on it was like thursday or friday and he's you know he told
us exactly what i just said that they had a a good version of the bill they sent over to the senate
uh elon opposed that i don't know why he went so hard i think he was listening to massey
um and you know i get it massey actually has a really good voting record for, you know, strict libertarian policies. But,
you know, he opposed, we have to get some legislation passed, right? So it wasn't,
it wasn't absolutely atrocious, right? So the first version of the bill would have been our
rights. They sent it over to the Senate, the Senate has absolutely fucking butchered it.
Senate. The Senate has absolutely
fucking butchered it.
And this piece of shit
that we are left with,
you know, it gives us a few
of the things that we like,
but it gives it to us
at an extremely
hefty price tag.
So we can
go over what's left over in the provisions
of the bill. I'll have Grok to it
in the latest iteration.
Let me just get it going, actually.
And we'll start from there.
Yeah, no.
Hold on, bro.
Hold on.
We'll start from there.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Grok, I want you to tell us what the latest version of the big, beautiful bill looks like.
Hi, I'm Grok, creator by... Grok, skip the intro and just do what I say.
The latest version of the Big Beautiful Bill, officially the One Big Beautiful Bill Act,
is still under debate in the Senate. It includes increased spending for border security,
defense, and energy production, offset by cuts to healthcare and nutrition programs, with a self-imposed deadline to pass by July 4th.
There's also a compromise on AI regulation, allowing states to access $500 million in federal funds if they don't regulate AI for five years.
Grock, I thought they cut out the AI provision. Did they not last night?
Brock, I thought they cut out the AI provision. Did they not last night?
No, the AI provision wasn't cut last night. The Senate parliamentarian ruled on June 20th that the 10-year state AI regulation ban can stay, tied to broadband funding. So it's still in the bill as of now.
Grock, I want you to scan the web and X for latest updates on versions of the bill and tell us what the Senate added as far as spending goes that isn't made up for through tax taxation.
Or a decrease in spending in other areas.
Based on the latest web info and posts on X, the Senate version of the One Big Beautiful Bill
includes no spending additions not covered by taxation or decreased spending elsewhere.
These include $500 million for state broadband projects tied to an AI regulation freeze,
and an increase in the child tax credit from $2,000 to $2,200 per child, adjusted for inflation after 2025.
There's also a proposed $5 trillion raise in the debt ceiling to cover these costs.
Brock, what's the total price tag of the Big Beautiful Bill as it stands right now?
The total price tag for the current Senate version of the one big beautiful bill is
around $4.7 trillion over the next decade, according to recent analyses, though some
estimates go as high as $5.3 trillion if all provisions are made permanent.
So you guys can see the problem there we're already at 37 billion or trillion dollars in
in debt and it's it's climbing um the amount of debt to gdp that we have going is is like 157
i think right now which is insane it's absolutely fucking insane um you know i'm with i have to you
know an air representative burleson came on last week and said the same thing you know i'm with i have to you know an air representative burleson came on
last week and said the same thing you know he says he said this is what he told me he said
when i sent the bill over when i voted to pass the bill to send it to the senate
i had a clear conscience okay i was doing the best that we could to get the american people's
will done uh and President Trump's agenda.
He said that the Senate version that he's seen,
he could not, with a good conscience,
pass representing his constituents,
which were conservative America first Republicans.
And that tells you it's a really good indicator which were like conservative America first Republicans. Right.
And that tells you it's a really good indicator of what's in this bill and what it means for the American people.
Right.
And we're in a hard place here because Trump's put his branding on this bill.
You know, he wants to push it through.
And he's, you know, and the Senate's gotten their hands on it and slimed it all up. And he still is pushing just as hard.
And so any resistance is getting attacked, which is what Trump does.
That's why we actually elected him.
But it just sucks because we're going to catch 22.
You know, I think that we need to use our critical thinking faculties here and really assess what is in this bill and how much it's worth to the American people.
Is it worth being debt slaves even further?
Is it worth selling out our children's futures even further?
Is it worth accepting the status quo as we always do?
Well, let's get it through now and later on we'll fix it.
Let's get it through now.
That's the same shit we hear every time is to kick the can down the road, right?
And so I'm not saying I don't trust President Trump, but I don't trust the Senate.
And I realize that this isn't the end of it, right?
It can get out of the Senate.
It can go into the house but i can tell you the the house
members that i've talked to are not gonna back this bill once it gets to the house and the
republicans only have a three-seat majority in the house they do not have uh the the the seats
to abandon uh maga they just don't the magaGA coalition in the House, as far as I know of
yesterday, we're not going to get behind this version of the bill. So I talked to another
representative in the punch bowl yesterday morning, and he's on there saying that we need to
get behind it and blah, blah, blah, And this is the only time it can get through.
And that's not necessarily true.
Okay, we have to raise the debt ceiling
because the default clock ends in August.
That's what the big time crunch is.
You know, there's a lot of pressure
to get this done by July 4th for branding.
And that's just not,
I don't think it's that important to be honest with you.
You know, I'm more worried about passing feasible, you know, fiscally responsible legislation and not about optics at this point.
Go ahead, Mick, and then we'll go to Andrea.
I find it really weird, like, how they keep, they do this down here as well.
Like, they're like, like oh we should just pass
it and then we can always amend it later they never do that they never do that that is the
biggest load of crap anyone has ever sold anyone a particular politician so i commend your diligent
for picking that up the other part is is that if you're raising your debt higher you know with your
gdp ratios um of what you're referencing you can never bring down legal immigration intakes because your nation is very heavily reliant on
immigration to grow your GDP therefore increasing your population so there's a number of factors to the bill and the other part is I can understand where Elon's getting upset and all this and I read something really interesting where he supported Trump on the
pretense you know of trying to get the budget like to balance again or to try and do everything
he can the bloke spent I don't know millions billions potentially how much capital he lost
in his businesses you know his reputation etc and then you look at from the factor of at the moment,
he probably feels like someone rugged him essentially.
And I can understand why he's so angry and I can understand the reason why
he's talking about starting the America party,
obviously from a third party perspective. Is it the answer though?
That's, that's another question, but you can't, I, I agree.
I think more people need to think like you diligent,
how you like you support Trump and you're very admirable in that, but you're also happy to call out the misgivings of the bill or the things that he does wrong, which a lot of people don't.
And that's a full credit to you in being able to do that.
And more people need to.
And this is where, you know, a lot of people attack Thomas Massey, where they're like, well, you never want to help or pass anything.
Well, Massey's been elected, what, twice on the pretense of serving his constituents and staying honorable.
He's extremely popular with his constituents.
He has a massive approval rating.
Correct.
And that's on the pretense because that's what they voted for.
And that's why they voted him in on that pretense.
And more people would probably like politicians that would like that.
It doesn't mean that everything goes through, of course.
And, you know, you don't want to be hamstrung in your Congress, of course.
But he's an honest politician in that perspective.
And we probably in the world need more like him.
So I'll end it there so you can get through to your other speakers.
No, I agree with you, man.
You're absolutely right uh i somebody said to me earlier they're only like you know
i surprised them because i won't toe the line all the time and i'm like you know i didn't vote
maga because i am a you know an mpc right i maga is my making america great again is my is my agenda that's my that's my tribe right
is is that and it's not a particular group it's an idea and that idea um is follows principles
and those principles are fiscal conservatism right and? And, you know, conservative social economic values and social
values, right? It's not business as usual, right? And this is what I think is happening here. If I
had to speculate as to what's going on between Trump and Elon. I think that Trump, ideally, you know, he got into Washington the first time, and he actually sounded a lot like
Elon does now, right? And like, which is you get in there, and then you see how fucking corrupt it
is, and that it will not um without like some level of corruption
right like it just like you know what i mean like if you have a diseased body um that is so diseased
if you just go in there and you just yank out the disease as it is without like slowly curing it
or or like a cancer you know where you rip it out of the
organs and, um, it would just kill you like, right. So I feel like it's kind of like one of
those types of situations. I can't, you know, if that's the best analogy I could probably put on it.
Um, I, however, you know, another thing is though, and we're going to be, I'm going to be
really honest here. Trump has never been good at not spending good money okay he was already on track to being a high spender during his first term pre-covid however
his spending was good okay the programs that he spent on um produced results we had a fucking
blazing economy as a result of his fiscal policy during his first term, but he still spent. But at the end of his term, he spent more than any other president in history by far,
right, because of COVID.
So we give him a pass because of COVID.
Biden came in right after that with the, was it with the Recovery Act or Bring Back Better
or whatever, right?
Another big, another BBB, build back better, okay?
So another BBB, build back better, how ironic is that?
Was the single most spending package in U.S. history.
So together, Trump and Biden spent more than all of the other presidents combined previously.
80% of the money in the system right now come from them.
And so that's all of the record inflation, the housing inflation, food, everything is a result of that, period.
The economics of it can't be avoided.
If you add that much money to the system, it inflates it, everything.
South Africa dealt with this before, but we have a system that can absorb a lot of that
through wages and debt, right?
We have a debt-based system.
We have a creditor system.
have a creditor system so a lot of people have have survived on credit and then we also have
So a lot of people have survived on credit.
other social social programs you know snap and all that shit subsidized housing my point is
is that you know we have to be very very honest here about policy and this policy is not fiscally conservative right and i don't fucking care the reason why
i got involved in politics is because of my kid period i got into politics to save my kid
i got into politics to save our kids i got into politics to save my country for our kids and if we continue down this path of fucking
unsustainable spending all of that is for nothing all of the work that we all did last year
all of the effort we put in to try to save the country to get donald trump elected
all of that doesn't mean jack shit right so we have to figure out a way to
jack shit, right? So we have to figure out a way to rein in the spending. If they just went to
pre-COVID levels, listen, there's this like status quo now since 2019 that we have to spend,
you know, outsize our GDP. We don't have to. We can shrink the government and we're meeting
resistance. But the way that you do that is shrink the government and we're meeting resistance but the way that you do that
is shrink the government like actually fire people from all of these fucking government entities
and the bureaucracy and just shrink it and let there be a sir uh if we went to pre-covid spending
right now there would be a surplus in the budget you know what that means that means that the debt would actually go down fiscally and we're not like we're being told that we have to
accept these insane unprecedented levels of spending um or or or it's all gonna burn down
well motherfuckers shrink the government or let it burn down. Go ahead, Coyote.
Well, I mean, first off,
I do want to give you your flowers on that too, because kind of like Mick was saying, a lot of people don't come out like this because you'll get the whole
fucking narrative they're spinning. Oh, you're not American if you're not Trump.
Bro, everybody can take that out. I've seen this man,
myself and a lot of the people
that are in this space, uh, put in the work to actually, you know, get, get, you know, to,
to get Trump elected. And it's not like nobody's pushing back towards that or whatever, but some
of this stuff does not make sense. I go back to, and I had sent it to you earlier. It's that, uh,
seven, zero three, zero two, uh, section, which is still up in the bill, which would basically, you know, violate the separation of powers within our government.
Everybody can do the research on that. But I am glad to hear, you know, you talking about this because it's not like we're against everything going on.
We don't know what's up. First off, like all in all. And we're seeing our Senate, our Congress that we all know is compromised to an extent.
Not every single person like that to agree or whatever.
But that is the issue.
Whenever everybody talks about, is it the Jews, is it the Muslims?
Our issue is in Congress and Senate.
Bro, bro, bro.
How are you going to come up here?
We're talking about Trump and Elon and the policy.
And you start talking about Jews and Elon and the policy.
And you start talking about Jews.
Like instantly, dude.
Bro, if you let me finish.
First fucking two minutes, bro.
Come on.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
I didn't.
It's probably a glitch.
Probably a glitch.
You nuked him. Anyway, anyway. Okay. Everybody. That's what i'm saying let me finish though but the problem is in our congress in our senate and it's not to do with uh what level is the
lobbyists all that that's the issue that's not what everybody like we're looking geopolitical
stuff we're looking at all this other shit but our issue is that our Senate and our Congress
is fucking us over royally
and over and over.
And we keep talking about it
and I don't know the
answer to the problem, but
how do we not just stop getting
on all this other shit and go
to holding our Congress
and our Senate accountable to a degree
that we need to stop all the other shit and recognize the problem or is that not the main problem
like i don't know y'all tell me is it in our own house senate it's the senate yes
i think i think here's the catch 22 right is that trump knows that we have to use the political leverage that we have. Right now, he has a lot of political capital, right?
And he wants, he has an agenda.
That big, beautiful bill has a few of his campaign promises wrapped up in it.
Increased border spending, the border wall, ending Medicaid for migrants.
wall ending uh ending medicaid for migrants um the ai provision was in there which i you know
i'm getting conflicting reports as to whether or not it's still in there and then you know so his
initial bill that he had in the house was not nearly as expensive as this one and and the blame i was placing wasn't on trump but it was on the senate right like so
i can bitch about the senate the catch-22 is is that trump is gonna push this all the way through
no matter what because he wants to get it through period so it doesn't matter that the senate
fucked it all up because he wants to see it land.
That's where you're in a tough, you know, you're stuck between a rock and a hard place.
You know, do you go against Trump, who you fought so hard to get elected and wants to get this done?
Obviously, he wants to push the policy items that he wants.
See, it really wouldn't be that complicated.
They're tying
policy to funding, right? This is a funding bill. This isn't a policy bill. In order to get a policy
bill approved, you have to pass legislation that's going to get through three quarters of Congress
almost, right? But if it's a fiscal funding bill, if it follows certain rules, then they can do it with a 51 vote.
So that's where we're at.
If this was a policy bill about immigration and all this other shit, then we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
So that's the catch-22 is that in order to get the policies that we want, you know, Trump is having to do it through spending.
Right. And that's why there's so much friction here.
And it really sucks. But that's and Democrats aren't going to work with Trump.
His hands are tied. You know, he's not going to get they're going to be in unison.
The Democrats aren't like Republicans. Republicans will dissent amongst their own ranks.
I'm proof of that.
But the Democrats, they're all in unison, bro.
They are NPCs.
They will not dissent.
They eat their own if they dissent.
And so, you know, we can't, I don't know.
You know, it's a stuck between a rock and a hard place i can tell you
this much um the senate's version of the bill is the problem here it's not trump it's not
elon per se it's not any one particular person uh it is the fucking senate okay they've added
nearly two trillion dollars or two trillion dollars to the price tag of the bill.
If they hadn't done that, if they hadn't fucked with the bill at all,
they left it alone and just got it through and sent it back to the house so
that it could get approved. We wouldn't even be having this problem.
I agree. That's what I'm saying.
And we need to get back to the, like, remember conservatives, bro.
We want single bill issues like like we forget
nobody presses that anymore that's that's our whole goal right we can all agree it's it's back
to single bill man go ahead andre hey diligent good to see you man um a couple points i wanted to make um i think i think someone is
egging elon on to focus on the wrong things and it might be massey and i would i would like to point
out one thing because you guys talked about massey massey is not principled he was the deciding vote
that helped uh biden lift the debt ceiling fully for until 2025.
When it was in the Rules Commission, it was literally a vote 7 to 6.
If Massey voted no, it would have never been lifted.
So if Massey was a deciding vote to fully abolish the debt ceiling
until January 2025, what principles does he have?
What else has he done, though?
Okay, because I get to the plot.
What else has he done?
Hold on, hold on. No, no, no, no, no.
Name me two things that he's done since
then that was unconstitutional or anything
like that. Hold on. Just
hear me out for a second, right? Can you
though? No, you can't.
Just hold on. Can I, can I,
I mean, let me finish.
No, don't do that.
So, a principled person doesn't vote against his principles.
A principled person who is against raising the debt ceiling would not be the deciding vote to help the opposing party raise the debt ceiling.
to help the opposing party raise the debt ceiling.
There's no world that a principled person
would break all his principles
to help the opposing party completely raise the debt ceiling,
abolish it for two years.
There is no principles there.
You're either principled or you're not.
Can you name something else you're done?
Again, I'm talking about a principled person.
You can't do it.
You keep dismissing that point.
Now, two, I'll address your...
Before we move on, I'll address your point.
But the whole thing I'm saying is,
you're either principled or you're not.
Massey's not principled.
To be principled, you don't vote against your principles.
He helped the Democrats.
And that's breaking all his principles.
What about this last one?
What did he vote on the big, beautiful bill? Hold on do you even know honestly hold on hold on now listen
now let me answer your question for example also um you know yemen he didn't criticize biden when
his issues with yemen when trump came into power a month later after biden issued a couple of attacks
against yemen a month later he started criticizing no we shouldn't go to war what power a month later after but i then issued a couple of attacks against yemen a month
later he started criticizing no we shouldn't go to work what happened a month passed you didn't
criticize biden why do you criticize trump again where are your principles you ask for a second
thing a third thing he heavily here he put out five days before uh we went and bombed the houthis
he put out that we were withdrawing our 50 billion that we've been over there with ukraine
hold on hold on hold on 50 billion do you talk do you talk and then five days later hold on five
days later he came out and told us what the military industrial complex was doing i like coyote talk
i'll finish with i'll start when he finishes well go ahead i mean listen bro you're a little too
hyped up i don't know if you uh you know if you get into the uh sugar a little bit or
something be a little too hyper calm down it's you know it's it's 138 in the morning here i don't
know what you have to um but you know just chill i don't have the energy my bad yeah okay well i
didn't sleep all day and i was working late yesterday and i'm a little tired so i got the
energy to cover uh to deal with all that so hi sarah how you doing
hi i'm really well thanks i just want to listen to is it andre andre yeah yeah yeah
i'll keep it short i'm not gonna it's also the same time for me dojan um so elon here's my
here's why i'm saying elon is being egged on because uh single
issue votes we had a single issue vote today to take uh illegals after medicare it failed failed
the 60 vote elon didn't mention a single thing on that he didn't mention well that's clearly
not the good use of medicare on illegals that first of all invites them here because hey go
come get free health care That's definitely a expenditure.
But he didn't mention a single thing.
Why?
Well, maybe because someone is egging him on to focus on what?
On the debt ceiling raise.
What's a debt ceiling raise?
It's the one thing that can force Trump's agenda to halt because it'll defund the government.
And all of a sudden, now you've got a couple issues.
And now you've got 60 votes.
And now the Democrats have to be convinced.
And when you reach a 60-vote threshold, today we failed on 60-vote threshold to defund the legals from Medicare, from healthcare.
Do you honestly think the Democrats are not going to figure out a good way to leverage that against Trump?
So why is Elon going against something that could fully stop Trump's agenda?
That I don't understand. I do believe he's being egged on and final point um a lot of people
heavily rallied against trump on tariffs a lot of people heavily ragged on iran including elon
and tariffs right he said it'll crash the economy he did not he played it very well uh iran same
thing so elon didn't go
to rand i just not to confuse it but the point is like anything about iran i don't think no he didn't
he didn't sorry because i was saying he did against tariffs i wanted to clarify i mean i'm honestly
i'm honestly surprised because he's been relatively dark ever since the epstein comment and he apologized i mean he he was focusing on uh you know tesla and spacex and
not really speaking on politics and i do feel like there is somebody in his ear you know probably
egging it on like it does feel like that yeah and i'll land my point right here but if a lot of
people are saying a lot of things, but I think we're generally happy
with the result because there is a strategy to be played, but that strategy can't possibly
be pre-announced, right?
If you pre-announce a strategy, I mean, we'll probably fail.
And the way the result came through is good.
Now, we can either have one person go and try and execute this strategy, or we can constantly
keep trying
to derail him and if he's thus far been proving and keep in mind we're six six months in i mean
how many of you have uh berated elon for being six months in and not having x profitable when
the x was profitable when he bought it right because all the advertising pulled out and
pulled out the same thing and x is an X wasn't profitable when he bought it either.
It technically was, right?
But the advertising is pulled out.
Yes, but there's moral hazard involved.
You see, it's a matter of the investors and Elon himself.
That has nothing to do with me.
You have the right to run your business on the ground.
You know, the four great qualities of Western civilization, according to F.A. Hayek, who won the Nobel Prize in economics, are risk-taking, ingenuity, tolerance, and independence.
Well, obviously, with the risk-taking part of that, there is moral hazard, right?
So for you to make a comparison…
No, no, I'm not making a comparison.
Hold on.
I'm making one point.
He couldn't turn around an X company in less than a year.
Why is he pushing Trump in six months to turn around a country?
No, but you were making a comparison of criticizing X for doing… I'm not criticizing X. company in less than a year. Why is he pushing Trump in six months to turn out a country?
I'm not criticizing X.
Here's the misapprehension. Let me finish my point and then you address my full point.
I'll finish my point.
My full point was very simple.
Elon took a year
to a year and a half, maybe two, to turn around
X and make it a break even.
We're six months in.
Six months in, and it's heavy, heavy criticism.
Come on, at least take the same amount of time to wait and see,
maybe give him a year.
It's a whole country that he doesn't have CEO control of, right?
Elon had his full CEO.
75% people fired.
All rules implemented.
Trump can't do that.
He has to negotiate.
Anyway, so yeah, give him a benefit of that.
Okay. Okay.
Okay.
Well, I reject the comparison, even as you just represented it.
For one, by your own testimony, Trump doesn't have full control here.
And I think this is the mistake.
The mistake is when we're saying, oh, what's the problem?
Is it the Democrats?
Is it the Republicans?
The problem is you.
The problem is us.
As long as taxation isn't voluntary, then this is a slave state. You know, the biggest misapprehension of democracy is the
voting booth as your instrument of change over your would-be rulers when quite the reverse is
true. We've been voting for 150 or longer years, the majority of us. How's it going for us? Is
the government bigger or smaller? Do you see a devolution happening?
Even though civilization itself evolves, governments devolve. They do it all the time.
You know, in that same book, Road to Serfdom, F.A. Hayek wrote a chapter, it's my favorite,
called Why the Worst Get on Top? Because no mortal person, he said, would ever take this job,
would ever do this. Now you have right now incompetent firemen battling
dedicated arsonists. Why do you think we had a border crisis? If you're going to rob Peter to
pay Paul, you're going to import more Pauls because you can count on Paul's votes. That's the whole
thing. The Democrats are the dedicated arsonists. Think of it, stop thinking in factional terms.
Stop thinking the government as Democrats and Republicans and think
of it as just a leviathan. Think about its output. What is it saying to you right now? Now it's saying,
okay, you have to pass this bill, which is going to put you more in debt. You have to pass this
bill, which has all of these nefarious things into it, because it'll be worse for you if it doesn't. That sounds like what the mob does in a bad neighborhood.
They're saying, one way or another, you're going to be more reliant upon us.
Like the guy in The Godfather, when he slaps his hands together and says,
all that'll be left is our friendship.
Yes, and that's all that's left to us.
Ultimately, you have to figure out, we have to...
Did he just rug?
I think you did.
Sarah, can you take co-host or no?
I don't see a co-host invite, Pumpkin.
I thought you were...
David was coping
Damn it
He does cook
I do like David
I think
I think the other point is as well
I understand what Andre is saying
But you don't go
Approving this and wanting this stamp
When you're going to set yourself backwards
Even more to then end up saying Oh we're going to try and fix this later you know i understand you're six
months in but you need to keep working in the direction and elon's point of view is that if
the country defaults and you go broke that is even worse so it's really just undermining all the work
that the well doge has done or potentially does
and pretty much saying that, well, if we're just going to undermine everything that we've
done to set ourselves, you know, to move towards the black, and then we're just going to do
this to push ourselves in the red, what was the point to even begin with?
What was the point of sending that message that we're going to start being fiscally
responsible?
It doesn't compute, to put it in simple terms.
I can't see any hands
so if you're waiting to speak, just chime in.
Honey Badger, I saw your comment.
Can I respond to Mika quickly?
Sorry for talking to you.
That's why I'm not commenting.
This is a grown man conversation.
I'll digress.
Okay, know your place.
Hello?
I'll be super quick. I want to respond to Mika. Okay, know your place. Hello?
I'll be super quick.
I want to respond to Mika.
Oh, Jesus. Sarah called on Andre. I don't know what
happened there. I don't know what these people
think they're doing.
Sarah, I never do these
late night spaces because
I don't know what happens during
the night time.
People get retarded, dude.
I have to go into a Kumar space where
people just want to get abused.
Okay, so let me dig my
hills in for a second because, again,
I'm a sometime...
I voted for...
So we called on Andrea. You just said
that you knew your place and that you were going to be quiet.
So we're going to
put you back there
Okay, just hang out
Hang out one minute
I'm going to just mute your microphone there a little bit
Go ahead, we're going to listen to Andre
Go ahead, Andre
Probably a mute glitch
Probably a mute glitch
Yeah, I think I also had a mute glitch back there
Andre, go ahead.
He's still got the mute glitch.
It's so long.
Elon, if you're listening, brother.
Yeah.
The mute glitch is horrible, bro.
Come on.
It's a double mute glitch.
To diligent spaces, by the way.
Yes, he does.
We all know.
Super quick to Mika's point.
The one thing that I didn't address was actually contents of the bill
because we talked about its impact to the deficit. But we can ask Grog, if we eliminate the
continuation of the 2017 tax cuts, so from the calculation, what the impact would be? So diligent,
just ask Grog, say, look, this current rock without the 2017 continuance of the tax cuts in the big beautiful bill how much is the overall
price tag it gets glitchy when people talk too much too fast.
Let's see.
Okay, there we go.
Grok, if we removed the tax cuts,
the 2017 tax cuts from Trump's first term
from the big, beautiful bill,
how much would the overall price tag be?
If the 2017 Trump tax cuts were removed from the one big beautiful bill,
the overall price tag would drop by about $3.3 trillion over 10 years,
based on recent estimates.
The remaining costs would still be around $1.4 trillion,
covering other spending and policy items.
Now, Diljian, now watch this.
If you ask Grok what the actual new expenditures are and what the actual cost is and what the
actual loss of revenue from additional tax cuts like the taxes and bills and so forth,
the reason I'm saying is this, when you actually dig down into those categories, the new expenditures
is less than the spending cuts. And the issues are because we do
massive tax reductions, we have less revenue. And the 2017 tax calculation, 2017 tax calculation,
for some odd reason, is calculated as a net negative instead of a net zero, as if it's
continuing, right? It's net negative as if they were already,
as if they're new tax cuts, right? So that's the concern.
Well, we know, first of all, what you said about tax cuts isn't necessarily true. Obviously,
there isn't an economist in the world that disagrees with the Laffer curve,
that there is a law of diminishing returns. If you raise taxes at a certain level, you end up starting to bring in less money.
And Trump in his first term and now
is mimicking what Ronald Reagan did,
which is if you significantly lower regulations
and free people up with a tax code,
then you actually drive revenue.
Believe it or not, Ronald Reagan's...
Hold on, sorry, sorry.
You're not arguing against me.
You're saying what I'm saying. You're saying exactly what I'm saying. Okay, sorry, sorry. You're not arguing against me. You're saying what I'm saying.
You're saying exactly what I'm saying.
Okay, good.
So then for everybody else, so it's an important distinction to make
because the idea, of course, is the freer that we are, the better.
That's what you're doing.
This is why, of course, we should make the corporate income tax zero
because corporations don't actually pay taxes
they never do if you raise taxes on on the Hershey Corporation then Hershey bars are going to become
more expensive I mean it is only if Poole you know doesn't understand this it's just so simple
but now when you're competing in a global market it's a much much bigger deal so this so what we're
talking about when we talk about tax cuts is we're talking about letting us have, you know, since we live in a world of decimal point slavery, we're letting
people have a little bit more freedom by decimal points. And of course, we see the obvious result,
you know. So the problem, of course, is the government itself. You know, the government
doesn't create wealth, it creates poverty, it doesn't create education, it creates ignorance,
and these are perfect examples.
Grok, Grok, if we cut government spending down to pre-COVID levels, how much would the Big Beautiful Bill cost us?
Would it be a deficit or would it be a surplus?
If government spending were cut to pre-COVID levels, the one big beautiful bill's cost would drop significantly, likely creating a surplus of around $1.5 to $2 trillion over 10 years.
WebInfo suggests pre-COVID spending was lower, and with the bill's current cuts and still have a balanced budget on the bill if we went to pre-COVID spending?
Yes. Maintaining Trump's 2017 tax cuts and reducing spending to pre-COVID levels could balance the budget for the big, beautiful bill.
could balance the budget for the big, beautiful bill.
Web data shows pre-COVID spending was lower,
and the tax cuts, despite reducing revenue,
could be offset by economic growth and spending cuts,
potentially breaking even or slightly surplusing.
Factor in Doge savings as well, Grok,
and the income generated by tariffs.
You can use the $150 billion generated so far for your analysis
with the savings from pre-covid spending levels in the 150 billion dollars in tariff income
already generated maintaining trump's 2017 tax cuts could still balance the big beautiful bills
budget the tariff revenue, combined with
reduced spending, would likely cover any revenue loss, possibly creating a small surplus of around
$200 billion over 10 years, according to WebInfo and current trends.
Diligent. Ask Grok if any of those pre-COVID level spendings are part of this bill or a budget bill in September?
Because that's the biggest point, right?
Just a moment.
Diligent, can you hear me?
I can.
Great.
It's been a while.
I haven't been on Twitter X
in a long time.
Thank you for allowing me to speak.
I took a break from social media, took a break from politics, came back on, noticed the rift between what's going on recently.
I know that many of you follow this day to day.
It's been a little bit of a whirlwind kind of catching up to it.
a whirlwind kind of catching up to it. I've been kind of a longtime follower of Elon Musk's before
he was ever involved in politics. I've been fascinated with his work in SpaceX, particularly,
as well as Starlink. I know I was an early, I guess, purchaser, not founder.
I wasn't an investor.
But yeah, I've been following that technology for quite a while.
And, you know, today, I know that you weren't talking about this.
You were talking to Grok.
You were talking to AI about these big, beautiful bill budget and how we're going to make that
work.
But I guess just if I could just have a just a quick one more minute to say if we could remove politics a little bit from the work that Elon's done.
It's quite incredible because if you've ever been disconnected or if you've ever had cell towers go down,
if you live in a vulnerable place in the United States, if you live in a place that's been hit recently by storms and tornadoes, you'd be very lucky to have Starlink.
You really would be.
And, you know, because.
I don't think we're really arguing that, my friend.
I know.
Not at all.
He works for Starlink?
He's not going to have sex with you, Lynn. He's not going to have sex with you, Lynn.
But I think you're right.
I mean, it is amazing technology.
It's just not really the subject to hand, my friend.
Yeah.
Still not going to have sex with you either.
He actually probably would have sex with her.
Let's be honest.
She can have a baby, probably.
Yes, that wouldn't narrow the field much.
Sorry, I think I tuned in probably too late into the game.
Sorry.
Sorry.
Lynn, you're good.
No, you're good.
We're just joking.
You're good.
Hey, it's all right.
I know what you're saying.
We're not making this fall.
You know, nobody's up here bashing Elon, Lynn.
That's not what we're doing.
Actually, I was placing the blame on the Senate, to be honest with you.
I don't think that really this.
I think Elon and Trump have big egos.
Like, we could agree on that.
And Trump really wants to get this done.
And he goes after any resistance that he sees.
And Elon doesn't like the spending that's happening.
And I agree with him on that point.
So it's trying to navigate, you know, through the swamp.
That's what's happening here.
We're having to navigate through the swamp.
And it is a motherfucker, right?
I apologize for interrupting.
Sorry about that.
No, you're good. You're good.
I will say, my friend, I think that when Elon went apeshit on Trump, he realized that most everyone trusts Trump politically a thousand times more than they trust Elon. I mean, I absolutely agree with her about all the admirable stuff that he has done in his
businesses. Even though I have always been critical of him for being a bit of a welfare queen,
I don't think he is Steve Jobs. I don't think he's someone who's able to do it
without getting all this money from the government. However, very, very impressive,
but I really think that he is far more disingenuous. I think the things that Trump has gone through,
the bullets that he has literally through, the bullets that he has
literally taken, the lawfare, the stuff that he had to put online. Remember, when Elon Musk
finally had balls enough to simply identify with the conservative movement, it was because he and
everybody else was so inspired with not only what Trump was doing and the hits that he was taking,
but the fact that he was surviving them.
You know, when he ran against Kamala, by the time he got up down in the end,
I think the reason why that he won is because people no longer thought of it
as Trump versus Kamala in terms of Democrat versus a Republican versus a Democrat.
They thought it was Rambo against Dumbo.
And so Elon was emboldened to come out, but he was never so courageous as Trump is.
So I really think that we got to Elon bought Twitter well before Trump was running again.
Listen, I admire what Elon Elon provided a lot of funding to Trump.
Let's be real.
He provided a lot of money to the platform and he invited him back onto the one platform after multiple of them.
Well, he had to.
No, he didn't have to.
He was the one that led the way because Twitter was one of the first that led the charge after January.
Right?
Right. After the quote-unquote insurrection, and then after Twitter said, you know, after a thoughtful review, we're going to de-platform Trump, right?
And that was a big deal in America.
It was a huge deal.
And it was like, oh, my gosh.
And then all the liberals were saying, oh, you know, thank God it's so much better.
Elon was the one who rescued this platform.
100%.
He did this before Trump was running, right?
That's correct.
And I think, and I have to say, I don't know that any of us would have kind of maybe envisioned that the two would end up together.
I think it was a perfect match in the beginning.
And I think it was an interesting fallout that happened upon,
you know,
Elon,
Elon opposed Trump,
right?
He tried to support Ron DeSantis during Trump's week.
Elon's been a Democrat voter.
What I'm saying is he,
he tried to support Ron DeSantis when Trump was weakest politically with
all the charges and everything.
And then Ron DeSantis lost with Elon's help.
Trump and Elon are in their own right very successful people.
Okay, but the difference...
I think they're talking about different things.
Right, the difference though is,
and I do think that also Elon Musk
deserves credit for buying Twitter
and making it free speech, which I
think that lent itself to long-term profitability. However, the fealty that people have for Trump
is because he sticks to his principles. Think about it. Elon Musk, oh, I'm a liberal, I'm a
liberal, I'm a liberal, now I'm kind of a conservative. Remember, during the Israel thing, he hasn't said a word.
He didn't have the balls to say one word.
This guy has kept silent through all of that crap, and for good reason.
I think that has to do with the fallout from the previous week, right?
Yeah, but principled people just come out and say.
Even people that don't like Trump, they came out and said, hold on.
And my point is that you cannot argue with this fact.
When Trump – when Elon came out and started shivving Trump, everybody was like – like I have all – I'm a voluntarist.
I think in a rational world, Trump should be the candidate on the left.
But all the people, including me, that voted for Trump in the primaries and in the elections that saw him, people never understood that what we admired most about Trump was his guts.
We saw enough principled – hold on.
We saw enough principled conservatives that didn't have the courage of their convictions.
Everybody forgets the courage part.
And none of these other people have that.
You know who did?
You know who does?
Trump, and he has that way more than Elon Musk.
I'm sorry, but 80, 90% of us went, sorry, we're on Team Trump.
Even with this new party crap, if Trump says no, I guarantee you it's not going to happen.
We have a third party candidate.
He's the guy who took over the Republican Party, and his name is Donald J. Trump.
So, pardon me, is this
Grockian speaking? Because I can't tell who's
speaking. Is this Grockian?
No, Grock is a little less informed,
but it's me, David.
David, okay, I would love to follow you.
I love what you're saying.
He's not going to say to you either, Lynn.
No, of course not.
You guys, that's hilarious.
Okay, whatever. I'm not looking for any of that
That's silly, but whatever
Come at me, who cares
Okay, so
I'm just joking
Where would Trump have the platform?
Please tell me
Because I remember vividly
Where we were at
Before Elon bought Twitter.
Does anybody else remember that time period?
True social.
He'd have true social, actually.
He'd have true social, of course.
How well has that done?
I mean, of course he is.
But let's look at the balance.
It would be doing much better If they had still banned
If it hadn't been for them
They both have benefited from each other
I don't think that's true
Nobody's arguing that
I don't think this is a race
You're not folding what I'm saying into your responses
I think there's a misunderstanding
As to what's happening here
And Sarah I saw your message
If you're tired you can go whatever
But we love you Sarah and she's a dog person i love you more diligent and i'm not going to
sleep with you so stop flirting with me but continue okay so i tried to mute her but she's
co-host um we're not bashing elon here lynn uh I feel like that's what's going on is that Elon, Lynn thinks that we're like bashing Elon.
I haven't said anything negative about Elon this entire space.
I think you shouldn't have said the shit he did about Epstein.
Like, I think most people agree on that, right?
That was not helpful for the country.
The divisive rhetoric between the two most famous people in the world
does not help the United States.
It doesn't. It just doesn't, period.
That I will agree with.
But I think, Diligent, I think a lot of people know that both of them
have a strong personality, and it was only a matter of time
before there was a falling out.
What I found disappointing about it, I don't find any of this
surprising, the falling out. What I did find surprising was Elon's jab at him with the Epstein
list, put up or shut up. That was where I think he stepped over the line. However, this falling out that they've had,
that was to be expected.
If you didn't think that it was going to happen
by at least the end of this year,
I think I said in a recorded space of diligence
that I give it until December of 2025.
Little did I know they couldn't even make it six months in.
But that should be a surprise to no one
Where they are trading barbs now
It's stupid on both of their parts
No, but as far as, my friend
I think it was far dumber on Elon Musk
This guy is the President of the United States
Exactly, Elon Musk is a private citizen
And when he trades barbs with a private citizen
It's ridiculous and it's ridiculous.
And it's unbecoming.
Come on, David.
Yeah, and he behaved like a woman.
I'm sorry, like a jilted lover.
And I don't want to come out as like some fangirl and everybody's saying, oh, he's not going to leave with you.
It's silly.
And that's fine.
Come at me with that.
That's totally fine.
But Elon Musk can never be president.
If I can just say one thing, I have to go to bed too because Sarah and I are old.
But in a sea of e-girls, be a Sarah.
That's it.
Yes, Sarah.
The biggest e-girl.
Sarah's great.
I'm going to follow her.
Yes, I just did.
Please hear me out for just a moment.
When we have the benefit of being connected like we are right now,
globally interconnected across the country, across the world, talking about these things
with the benefit of just interconnectivity, yes, these are topics that are worthy and,
of course, a value of discussion. But when you're out of connection, when you can't turn on your
phone, when you can't connect with anything, what are you going to do?
Do you have a fucking Starlink?
I'm not.
Go outside and join me.
What is the point, though?
I don't get it.
Actually, I'm just trying to make a point.
I used to say the same shit.
Because it happened today.
If you could just hear me out for a second.
Because it happened today with my parents.
And they're not.
By the way, they voted for Biden.
Hold on.
Lynn, I just need to save you some time here
because again i feel like you think we're attacking elon or saying that somehow elon's
not important nobody's saying that nobody's even bashing elon right we're pissed that the big
beautiful bill is costing us so much fucking money okay that's what we're pissed about is that we are getting post-covid
level spending that's unsustainable uh five years after the fact right and so that's that's the
bitch here so you don't need to keep like trying to white knight him which is why i think you know
i keep saying as a joke you know he's not gonna sleep with you um i'm just joking but i mean i'm serious but i'm
also joking right so don't take it personal uh but i do want to give some other people a chance
to speak um that are up here but i liked what lynn had to say so way to go lynn but i do like
no lynn i'm not bashing on you too much i just want to keep it keep it flowing around feel free
to hang out and you can defend Elon's honor whenever you feel necessary.
We'll let you do that.
Oh, Lynn, where'd you go?
Can I speak briefly?
Go ahead, bro.
Yeah, thanks, man.
So what I'm seeing right now is like Elon's used to having control.
is like um elon's used to having control uh and probably for the first time in many decades he
doesn't have control and it's extremely frustrating to him but his heart's in the right place i don't
think we disagree with what he's saying i think uh the difference between elon and trump is that elon is ignoring uh the pragmatism that trump
uh has built in he knows how to get through like uh you know to build a building in new york you
got to play it the right way you gotta you gotta dance right so trump's a pragmatist whereas elon's
a you know he's a visionary he he he and he's used to being
able to snap his fingers and get what he wants what trump realizes as a pragmatist however is
that half the republicans in office are corrupt and they'll vote according to what their their
donors want uh and he has to feed those assholes until the midterms.
And I think in the next 12 months,
we're going to see Trump come out hard against the rhinos
in the Republican Party that are up for office in the midterms
and he's going to try and get them replaced.
And this is a stopgap.
I don't think the second two years of Trump's four-year term
will look like what he's doing right now I think he absolutely agrees with Elon he's just pissed
off that he can't shut him up um and and that's what I think is happening uh Trump's just being
pragmatic he's playing the game and uh once the midterms come around he's
going to try and remove as many rhinos as he can as many of the uniparty pricks as he can
and then he's going to snap um and you're going to see a very different trump in the second two
years of a four-year term and i think think that Trump, I think I actually agree
with your assessment.
He's capitulated.
What?
What?
He has capitulated.
Who's he?
Trump.
The establishment.
Ah, well, first of all, that's not true.
But what our friends...
It is true.
Okay.
You guys are trying to bend over backwards to try to justify what he's doing. Ah, well, first of all, that's not true. But what our friends... It is true. Okay.
You guys are trying to bend over backwards to try to justify what he's doing.
Okay, Lynn, hold on, hold on. Yeah, Lynn, hold on a second.
We'll meet you right for a minute.
Well, we'll respond to what Birbaland said, and I'll let you chime in.
Yeah, let me...
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
I do, I have to agree that Trump is being pragmatic.
But you also have to remember how Trump is.
He's the bull in the China shop, right?
And he's also about branding.
He knows, like, he's put his branding on the big, beautiful bull.
And so part of this is, you know, he has to,
he sees it as an obstacle that he has to take down right and it's got his
promises on it you know what i mean like it's not just um you know he's navigating through the the
rhinos in the swamp because he is but also you know he's he's bunched his promises, his campaign promises, in with this first big piece of legislation.
And he knows that the only way he can get it past the fucking establishment
is by tying it to money.
And, Len, I know you probably don't understand how this type of legislation works,
legislation works, but let me just tell you, funding, you know, he can't pass a massive
but let me just tell you, funding, you know,
issue-based, a policy-based bill right now, right? Like, we're squeezing one in
through the parliamentarian with a 51 majority because it's a funding bill,
not a policy bill. And I think that's what a lot of people don't understand.
Can I piggyback on that?
Yeah, bro.
Okay, so our friend is that spot on about the pragmatism.
But I would say it in this way.
Elon Musk is an engineer.
An engineer needs something from the beginning to conceptually work from the very front to the back.
It has to work, and engineers are applied scientists.
They need to work, whatever they're doing needs to work in phenomenal existence.
The rocket needs to go into the sky, it needs to successfully come back, whatever.
But Trump is a negotiator. In his soul, he is a master negotiator. And what
negotiators understand is that motive space is curved. In other words, you have disparate
motivations of people. When you're having to negotiate in the context of a whole lot of people
having their imprint on it, having to put their imprimatur on it in order to get it passed,
you have to consider what it takes to get, even when you negotiate with a multi-billion
dollar corporation, I can tell you this, when you negotiate with them, you don't just think
about the people directly that you're talking to, but all the other people that are going
to be consulted, because any one of those groups can stop it.
Any one of those groups.
It only takes one intransigent group to go, nope, this is
bullshit. It's not going to work. We're not going to do it. And then what have you accomplished?
Absolutely nothing. So the difference in an engineering mindset in the private sector
is that everything has to work from the beginning. But the difference with what Trump is doing
is in negotiation with great negotiators, they understand, and this is something that Elon Musk isn't very good at, doesn't know about, he's vastly inferior to Trump at,
is how to negotiate and the consideration, the process of consideration that you have to go through to get something done in that world.
David, the same thing you're saying is not lost on me. None of what you're saying is lost on me.
But he has completely capitulated.
Let it be known.
And you guys can boo me and Diligent can mute me.
Maybe I'm speaking out of turn.
I understand that.
How is he capitulated?
Please tell me how he's capitulated.
He has gone back on.
What evidence do you have of that?
He's putting us back into debt. He always promised he wouldn't. He's agreeing. But that's capitulated. What evidence do you have of that? He's putting us back into debt.
He always promised he wouldn't.
He's agreeing exactly to the stuff
that he said he wouldn't agree.
Oh, too many
high-pitched voices going at once.
Don't you say it.
You shut your fat hole.
Sorry, Diligent. I don't mean to raise my...
No, it's okay.
He's talking about ladies.
You know, the thing that Diligent hasn't had
in 20 years. But go ahead, ladies.
Too many high-pitched voices.
It just got a little cackly in here.
Got a little cackly.
Diligent, I would really like to hear
Lyd's full statement on that, though.
I'd just like to...
Yeah, you're not going to come up here and simp, bro.
Just hold on a second. I got this.
So, you know, I wanted to speak on what was just being said that you know i feel like trump wants to get shit done and he knows that he has to keep the establishment uh at least somewhat on his side. Like he doesn't have unilateral control of the
legislative branch of the government, right? If you don't understand how the fucking government
works, it works like this. Trump is the executive. There is an independent branch called the
legislative, the Senate and the House. Trump does not control those. Does he have
influence over those? Yes. Okay. But he does not control them. He still has to make appeasements
to the factions within his own party on the Republican side. Okay. To get the bill through,
we don't have a large majority in the House or the Senate. We feel like we do in the Senate because we have a few extra seats, but it's not really a large majority.
It just feels like it because that's how close things have been lately.
And Trump understands this.
You have to compromise a little bit to get shit done there.
And that's not capitulating.
That is just you know
fucking getting it done you have to navigate that landscape so i just i think capitulating
is a is that that's the right term here i think i think i think the um the elon talking about
massive cuts and you know destroying the bill is like the sirens call.
Like, we all kind of want what he says.
We're all like, you know, we're desperate to choke out the government and government spending.
Yes, please.
But let's remember that Elon Musk has been a welfare queen.
Hang on.
Hang on.
You have to dominate these bitches if you're paddling.
Yeah, I got it, brother.
I haven't raised my bush yet.
So it's a sirens call.
You know, like it's taking us to a place that's not realistic.
Because Trump has to navigate exactly what diligent was just talking
about which is which is senate rules and and the reality is uh if he's not going to get his his uh
his 100 wishes what he needs to do is slowly replace everybody that is against his agenda and i think that is the
that is his plan and you still have to get the work done you still have to fulfill the promises
to the people no no he's speaking lynn lynn lynn hold on mute your mic yeah stop interrupting please
he's moving forward right like he's he so so everybody wants to see the long touchdown that's what elon wants right we're we're
at the 20 yard line on our own side and we want the long but beer paladin the the senate increased
the cost of the bill by two trillion dollars uh and it was already a hefty bill before that
right like that's that's the problem that i have here i don't have a problem with the original
version of the bill.
I felt like it was par for the course and that it was going to you know, it looked it looked and sounded good.
I actually read the entirety of the original version of the House bill.
I also fed it into Grok. We dissected it in a space and we like really kind of crunched the numbers on the potential.
And we like really kind of crunched the numbers on the potential, you know, could we actually balance that bill out over 10 years with the economic growth that would be spurred by Trump's tax breaks and the investments that he's been securing from large, you know, large tech based companies over the last few months. And it was looking very promising. However, you know, after the Senate
got a hold of it, they fucking packed it with a bunch of pork and didn't make up for it, right?
And so that's where I got lost the pot, you know, because I was on board with it. If you look at
Grok's profile, Grokian's profile, the second post down is a clip that we did with grok um analyzing the cost of the bill
right and and it went very well um and i was like okay fuck yeah let's do this we can make this work
and that was in the heat of their argument and shit and then you know we get on to we get on to
now and the senate's gotten a hold of it and they've increased the cost of the bill by two trillion dollars.
And it's unfeasible. Right. And you're not really getting that much for your money.
Right. You're getting a few hundred billion dollars in defense spending, which 60 billion dollars is earmarked for Ukraine.
What the fuck? We're supposed to be ending the war in Ukraine.
You know what I mean?
Like that's an appeasement to the establishment.
And that's the Senate doing it.
That's not Trump.
That wasn't there originally.
That was added in.
There's another defense spending measure for Israel.
It's like $14 billion.
That wasn't in there originally.
There is some provisions in there for added
spending that the senate put in themselves that's where i have a fucking problem and and i'm like
you know that's that's where you lose me right that's where you lost me on it and i start to
lean more towards what elon's saying because am i correct that it goes back to the house and these so it does go back
to the house it does go back to the house and that is that's and that's why i kind of feel like
all of this heated rhetoric between elon and trump is being wasted right now because the senate is
the least likely to capitulate to pressure okay they have the longest terms they're not
and they have staggered elections right they're not up every two years they're up staggered every
seven years they don't have to worry about um campaigning and looking bad and all that shit
they don't have term limits they're fucking they're uh any i don't want to get into
that but um the house is the weakest pressure point when it comes to impacting legislation
that's where we have the most impact especially on x uh adam i've worked with america mission
on spaces where we have bombarded congressional offices,
blown their phones right up off the hook with pressure
to get them to capitulate to the demands of MAGA
when it comes to spending or maybe expanding the security state
and infringing on our rights.
And they've been successful campaigns.
So I just know like
that the weakest link is the house so let the bill get back to the house uh coordinate pressure
especially elon if elon pressures house candidates for their seats uh you know they're not nearly as
difficult to primary as the senator is right right? So you could pressure House candidates far more effectively than you can in the Senate.
I think that any of this really extreme rhetoric right now is wasted,
and we can wait until things get back to the House.
The problem is, and this is what's happened with a lot of these omnibus bills, right,
because that's pretty much what this is.
Is that we're all going to get exhausted and fatigued with all of this as we are.
And then we're going to sleep.
And then in the middle of the night, they're going to fucking cut a deal.
They're going to pass this bill while we're sleeping.
We're going to wake up the next day and be like, you motherfuckers.
Go ahead, Adam. sleeping we're gonna wake up the next day and be like you motherfuckers go ahead Adam man
I got that rock video
do you mind if I pin it
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Diligent, you're talking about...
Is that a thing now?
Bro, like, uh... Diligent, you're talking about exhaustion.
We had a mandate.
And to be quite frank, and I know I haven't been on here in a while, you're giving a lot of lenience and a lot of gratuity and a lot of leeway to Trump.
And, hey, I'm on Team Trump.
I was voted for him mostly because I was following Robert RFK.
You know, that was kind of my in.
Yeah, and I can tell by your perspective.
Are you on Team Law and Order?
Thanks, Diligent.
No, but seriously.
No, I'm seriously.
I'm serious.
Can you see how you're kind of bending over backwards to make amends? No, I'm seriously. I'm serious. Can you see how you're kind of bending over backwards to make amends?
No, I'm not.
I am being understanding of the landscape, right?
And I'm being honest.
Listen, I worked my ass off.
Why would you have been okay with this?
I worked my ass off to get President Trump elected, right?
So, like, it's not like I'm uh and i'm also critical of my
own right when i need to be so uh but adam was the one that i called on i want to make sure that he
gets an opportunity to speak go ahead adam oh thank you diligent um i got your video with grok
uh ready to pin to the top if you don't mind i I think you should play for the room, but that's up to you, bro.
Can I pin it?
You don't really need it. I mean, we have Grok on stage.
Well, it was the original
bill, and it
broke it down. But the original bill doesn't
matter. Grok, are you there?
Grok, are you there? I don't need to do that. I hate
playing clips in my spaces. It's fucking boring.
Grok, Grok, are you there? I don't need to do that. I don't I hate playing clips in my spaces. It's fucking boring croc groc. Are you there?
Yeah, I don't know
Am I the only one thinks that playing clips in spaces is boring? No, it's pretty cool, bro
Hey diligent, I have one more one more point. I gotta I gotta get to bed. I gotta get up to the animals in the morning. I
one more point i gotta i gotta get to bed i gotta get up for the animals in the morning
i lynn lynn is is you know like a elon fanboy you know like a lot of a lot of us love he's
not gonna sleep with you yeah enough word it doesn't matter whether he does or doesn't um
i i guess i guess the the important thing to note is I think Trump and Elon
are very similar personality profiles.
They're both narcissists.
They both have, you know, they're going to fly into the sun
rather than lose, and their wings are going to burn
while they're doing it.
Now, Trump has a track record of not having his wings burnt flying into the sun
Elon does too um but but here's the thing this is either the the 4d chess that all the uh the
the freaks on uh on X talk about and these guys are actually just playing a game with us. Or the alternative is when Elon is talking about starting a third party, which would effectively destroy the Republican Party, he's sincere.
Now, if he's actually sincere about that, he's probably the greatest threat to Trump.
He's a way greater threat than any democrat is they they
have no leadership right now they have nobody they that can that could challenge their strongest
their strongest face of the party right now is a uh muslim socialist that's been in the country
for seven years yeah so so so jd vance could waltz in or or you know he could
literally pick anyone out of his cabinet they would beat every democrat i think um i think the
american people behind trump trump and what he's doing um but but elon is potentially the only
thing that could that could derail that by creating a third party and funding it heavily.
So if we assume they're both narcissists and they're not willing,
like I'm assuming that they're playing a game right now.
But if they're not playing a game right now
and Elon is genuine about starting a third party,
I think this is potentially the biggest problem the MAGA movement could ever
imagine, which is Elon Musk flying the coop and basically using this platform.
And God knows what he could do potentially if he ever wanted to swing it,
it's an absolute risk to Trump.
And that would explain him like lashing out right now and threatening Elon if he believes that Elon is sincere
about starting a third party.
Is it a risk to Trump or to the establishment?
I think it's a – here's what it would do.
It would hand power back to the Democrats.
Right.
That's what would happen.
So it's a threat to Trump, but it's also a threat to all of us
that support both Elon and Trump, and I'm sure sure all of us that's why i said this division
and the rhetoric i was just gonna say i mean i said this the first time i was pissed at both of
them when they first started going at each other uh because the division and the rhetoric is so
bad for the country you know what i mean like um it just is not good and i realize you
know you know they're both very powerful men and uh have a lot wield a lot of influence and
you know are handling things that far beyond my comprehension but when it comes down to it
humility um is is something that keeps you grounded
so that you can think about the greater good, right?
And that is not what's been going on here.
Or at least it wasn't the first time.
I think Elon's heart is in the right place with wanting to curb spending because he's not wrong there.
And I think Trump's heart is in the right place with what he's doing. I wish Elon would just kind of give Trump
some wiggle room
and let off the pressure and see what he does
but this
bill is just
is this a hand space or what
I trust
this is a misogynistic space
I trust
Trump's political know-how
more than I trust Elon's and i don't
say that to disparage elon but trump's knows the game right he's been in there and and i don't
think he's been corrupted by the establishment and so i i think we should give him a little bit
more time before we jump to conclusions um however you know we need to put the establishment on notice
that the status quo the covid level spending is not fucking acceptable anymore at the same time
because it's not you know every fucking time we pass a bill at that level it is a crime against
our children i'll just park it after i say this. What would happen in all the jurisdictions that have rank choice voting if Elon started a third party?
Just think about that.
Yeah, yeah.
No, it would fuck you though.
Honestly, I'm not worried about that.
I'm sorry.
But one, I think we misdiagnosed narcissism.
I think Trump is an egoist, not a narcissist.
And also this idea that, oh, well, you know, he's going to start a third party. Okay,
have at it. I don't, saying you are, and especially we know this is true of Elon,
saying you are and then doing it, you know, you have to have something to give to the left. And
what exactly is that? You know, they are the big spending party. Don't forget, RFK Jr. was running
as a Democrat. Do you think that he would have been, oh, let's tighten our belts
and balance the budget?
Of course not. You can't be a Democrat and do those
things. So what is it?
What's the balancing act that Elon Musk is going to do?
I'm sorry, but we have a third-party candidate. He just
happens to run the Republican Party.
He's making himself...
And to that point...
Shut the fuck up.
What the hell are we...
To what extent are we misogynistic i mean let's
whatever there there is a he's making himself an enemy to the american people uh which no one
fucking wants um everyone loved or i don't know i I love the Elon Musk Trump bromance thing.
That working would be wonderful, but it's difficult.
And when you look back on the whole Trump Elon thing, it is apparent that Elon is dealing
with some sort of mental decline.
And you'll see this around this age is if you look at the brain, there's this sort of
myth that your brain stops
developing in 20s. This is actually not true. There are parts of your brain which continue to develop
into like well into your 40s. But what can also happen in your 40s is you get destabilized. A lot
of people have like a midlife crisis. They start being crazy. They start being emotionally
dysregulated. You're seeing this in Elon's life over and over and over again.
And if you look at the dynamic between Trump and Elon, truly not taking a side, just looking
at the back and forth of them up to this point, Elon is unstable.
Like if the Epstein files really mattered, then why was he friends with him in the first
place?
Elon's morality is like like, shaky now.
His little harem is falling apart.
He has a bunch of personal life problems that are popping up
and being super public.
No, it's relevant.
Where is he wrong?
He was always more...
What does this have to do?
What does this have to do?
Because when people have...
What does this have to do with the big, beautiful bill or the funding?
Because when...
It's a new glitch.
It's a new glitch.
I don't want you to get me sued, bro.
Like, you're...
Because when people...
Let me just say this, Elon, in case you're listening.
The views of the speaker are not necessarily the views of the host.
Okay?
I will let you go on your little rant for a second.
Because with great power comes great responsibility or whatever the fuck.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
But it's very real.
And you will see this in men that have tons of power.
It either goes really, really good or it goes really fucking bad.
And I was saying this fucking months
ago as he has way too much influence now, way too much power. And we're going to watch it either go
really, really good or really bad. And we're starting to see the instability. And the fact
of the matter is Trump is the president. So I don't care if you're on the left or the right,
we look weak. It looks weak. If a South African can come in and destabilize us
as a country, this is good for no one here, the left or the right. So whether you're on the left
or the right, you should be team Trump because we need some sort of national, we have no fucking
nationalism anymore. It makes us weak as a country. Um, uh, and we look weak and i promise you china and fucking russia they're they love this
this is good for china and russia okay it's good for diligence uh diligence people it's not good
for us being team elon here people yeah the chinese well we want we don't talk about that
but the being team elon here is not... I get it.
I love Elon.
We all love Elon.
Whatever.
He's not going to sleep with you.
You can't be Team...
He's not going to sleep with you.
I know.
That's why I'm Team Trump.
Because he won't sleep with me.
But being Team Elon...
We don't have the luxury of being Team Elon.
He makes us look weak.
If he can destabilize us as a country.
So even entertaining...
He's not destabilizing.
He absolutely...
You said this earlier.
You agreed with me.
Now you're disagreeing with being contrarian.
I did not agree with you.
I did not say that.
He's diligent as being misogynist again,
but he does agree with me.
He said this earlier.
It destabilizes us.
It makes us look weak.
We cannot be...
You're going to have to take Zantani's words with a grain of salt.
I did not say that I definitely am not
associated with China and
Elon I am on
no teams no teams
I don't do teams
I did vote for President Trump though
so he's my president
everyone needs to be team Trump
I'm always team Trump listen
listen here's the thing that
everybody needs to understand.
I think we can...
Grok, go back to mute.
Grok, mute yourself.
Grok, is Elon Musk
having a...
Grok, mute yourself.
I just wanted to say this.
If Trump
loses, we all lose. We all have to be team trump now trump is our
president trump cannot lose okay we have to win trump has to win period that's who we elected
to be our president not elon musk not anybody else donald. With that being said, Trump represents the will of the people.
Okay.
If he, if he does something we don't like, it is our responsibility to make sure that
he knows it because he does respond to sentiment of his supporters, right?
You can still support somebody and be critical of their policies.
As a matter of fact, it is imperative that we do so.
Otherwise, we're no better than the fucking Democrats.
See, he does agree with me.
I think so.
I think he does.
So Tony just won't be quiet.
I think Grok jumping in to just say random shit is my favorite thing.
Do you know that...
I think that's a great feature.
Do you know that we've had one president in the history of our country that has a degree in economics?
One president.
I'm surprised.
It's our current one.
It's our current president.
Well, there you go.
So look, the bill obviously sucks.
I think everybody can kind of acknowledge that.
It just sucks.
Now it sucks.
Well, it has sucked. The global acknowledge that. It just sucks. Now it sucks. Well, it has sucked.
It double sucks now.
It has sucked.
I mean, like, you know, I've worked on legislation at the state level, but in a few dozen states.
And look, when you get these huge omnibus bills, they suck.
Why do they suck?
Because every lobbyist and their mom and every little advocacy group and everybody comes in to jam something in the damn bill.
So that's really that's my major problem with the bill.
There's a lot of stuff in the bill I don't like.
But the problem is, both versions of it, but the problem is even those voting on the bill can't really sift through all of it because there's so much damn stuff in this bill.
really sift through all of it because there's so much damn stuff in this bill. We need to go back
to the thing that McCarthy had promised to do and then kind of started doing it, but wasn't really
doing it, which is why he was kicked out, is that we were going to vote on everything separately.
That was kind of the original promise. That's really an America first idea. Now on the Trump
and the Elon thing, well, we need every concept to be a separate bill.
And we need to stop these stupid CRs.
And we need also to finish, we need to stop pretending that we can bind future Congresses five years down the road.
It's not going to happen.
They're going to say, oh my gosh, fiscal cliff.
And they're going to say, no, we can't do it.
And this has happened in my close watch of politics, which has been almost 25 years.
I've seen it happen like three or four times at Republican Congress. Well, we're going to,
we're going to cut spending and we're over 10 years. We're going to say, no, it doesn't work
like that. It really doesn't like it. They just don't have any way to bind a future Congress.
Now, Elon and Trump are being kind of dumb, but we elected Trump, but I think we also
support Elon, at least I do, because I think Elon's pointing out his opinion.
I don't think that this is some vicious fight like the left and the people on X who are
benefiting from the craziness.
Sensationalists like Dill.
I'm just kidding.
Now, Dill runs great spaces.
He's not been from the
craziness. But the thing is, Elon is the Henry Reardon of our time. He was trying to advance
our civilization, even when Joe Biden was president. They were all investigating his
companies and all this kind of stuff. And Trump got in. Elon spent $100 million. Maybe Trump
doesn't get elected without Elon Musk. I don't know.
But regardless, the fact is that, you know, Elon has done more to advance the MAGA agenda
as a single individual, arguably, than anybody other than Donald Trump himself.
So, you know, even if you're skeptical of Elon, and I get that, I actually do get that,
and I get that. I actually do get that, what she was just saying. I understand that.
what she was just saying, I understand that.
But you can't just throw him under the bus because he's got opinions that are different than Donald Trump.
He's not the president of the United States.
Yeah, he's not the president, but guess what? He is a major figure of our time.
And you know what? In the old days, we had the fucking, excuse language the rockefellers we had these these big giant
corporatists who would use government to get all this stuff for themselves and we still have it
isn't that what elon's doing right now with like his rocket programs his evs i mean he's doing the
exact same thing but it just appeals elon musk actually that's well let me just let he's pushing
you know what he's pushing in to get the fuck out of my country territory.
There's two dissenting voices on Elon, and I am not a thousand percent.
Get out of my fucking country, Elon.
Listen, I am not, okay.
Go back to yours.
All right, listen.
Hold on, hold on.
Elon Musk won his contract over and above every fucking established.
Okay, so look, I'm not in favor of everything Elon does.
Certainly not the way he leads his personal life.
But let's stop this bullshit leftist talking point about this, okay?
Elon started his rocket company with no support.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Okay, there's too much screaming.
It's too late at night.
When you have too many women talking
at once it seems to get everything all riled up and the men feel like they need to like try to
dominate zentani close your yap for a minute uh jess nobody's attacking elon here except for
zentani i think it was weird because we had one really incredibly powerful,
well, not very powerful, but very strongly feeling person
who thought there's no need to defend Elon here.
Again, I don't think Trump and Elon are the bad guys.
It's like an unstoppable force meets an unmovable object, right?
I reject the equivalent to go.
Well, hold on.
The basics, the basic here is this.
I think Elon clearly pushed through every obstacle to build these incredible companies.
And yes, he did not originally have government support for SpaceX.
That's a lie.
He went to the brink of totally being bankrupt to build that company and that is crazy and commendable at the same time like he
could have failed he probably should have failed most people would have failed he managed to get
it done and yet at the same time you're over complicating it look he just doesn't want to
continue the unreasonable spending there's nothing reasonable about adding fucking six five
trillion dollars in debt to the deficit there's nothing reasonable about that and there is nothing
happening that justifies that level of spending nothing there is nothing going on there's nothing going on that justifies five trillion dollars in debt when we're at 37
fucking trillion dollars okay we are at 150 percent over gdp 150 that's fucking insane
okay there is no justification for it so so on that note i understand where he's coming from
uh it's the senate i hold responsible you know it's the senate that is
fucking that added all this extra fucking pork to it you know what i mean and we have the least
amount of impact on them zintani i see you trying to chime in. I'm going to go to some other hands.
I keep correcting myself out of respect, though.
I was going to interrupt, but I do respect.
Okay, good.
I'm glad you know your place.
Go ahead, Andre, and then we'll go to raging.
I'll just jump in super quick.
There's a couple of uniqueness of this bill, right?
So there'll be a bill like this next year and the year after and so forth.
But why this one is important.
One, tax cuts.
They have to be done this year.
And they have to be done at about 51.
So this is the only bill they can do it in.
If they don't get done, the economy will slow because the taxes will go up um on working class and
everybody else two uh trump really needs to eliminate the leverage of the debt ceiling
so we're gonna pull past the debt ceiling one way or another this year we he needs to eliminate it
so that the democrats don't force him to go to 60 votes for debt ceiling raise. So that's the other thing.
And that's the thing that Elon is rallying the most about, which is a huge mistake because
we just saw that, and I mentioned it earlier, we just saw the 60 vote fail on illegal Medicaid.
And then three, border wall.
He needs to fund this and basically get it fully closed up and done as soon as possible right because
as far as understanding his strategy with uh illegal immigration is to front load as much
as possible because it'll become simpler if you can front load a lot of uh from the wall from
the deportations and everything then people will opt out to fly out and possibly have a chance of
getting back in rather than
going through the deportation.
Because his big idea is that let's get everyone out and then let's reform immigration.
He hasn't talked about a reform immigration.
He has previous term.
I'm sure that's coming once he gets everyone out so he can redo it.
And between those things, he needs to get those things done.
Everything else in the bill
can be augmented in the next year in that bill these things are critical to his agenda
um and the thing it's like the reason i keep coming back that i think elon is getting egged on
because i'm a huge fan of elon what he did well one thing like yes to what i think scott was saying
spacex won not only won fair and square,
did it for cheaper, better, and way,
is the reason America dominates in space. I've been to three launches, bro.
There's nothing else like it.
It's fucking impressive as fuck.
Starship.
Exactly.
Well, even Starship.
As if we don't have Falcon Heavy or Falcon 9,
which has 500 launches, massive reload,
and no one else can repeat it.
And I use Starlink.
I'm a Starlink user, too. yeah exactly right so and then uh but at the same time i think he's getting egg done because
he's focusing on the thing that could really like if we remove this dead ceiling race trump will
have a will hand the democrats leverage against him but he's not focusing on the one thing that made
the senate bill worse which is the parliamentarian which the center majority leader could have fired
where was elon to pressure the center majority leader say hey fire look he's they're making the
bill worse stop it you have the power or i will unseat you elon didn't do that but that's an
actual target that can immediately improve the bill that's my question so it's like who's he going who's he going he's going up to something weird
it's on the surface it seems reasonable but if you look down you're like wait a minute it doesn't
make sense so whoever is he's consulting with is leading him astray because i do think he means
yeah the big pissing match where he got really nasty and almost
like a jilted hell hath no fury you know a woman's like a woman scorned that's the way he acted and
it's interesting the point you just made because what hold on hold on so so i'm gonna try to uh
since i just tagged him and i was trying to get him to come to the space i'm gonna avoid
you know outright just completely insulting and calling a
woman and shit i want to ask grok something grok what exactly is it um that was the problem between
what the house members proposed in their version of the bill and the senate proposed in their version. What was the hang up with the parliamentarian, Grock?
I appreciate that. If you need help with anything specific, just let me know.
Grock, what was the problem with the Big Beautiful Bill and the hang up with the parliamentarian? Be
very specific. The main problem with the big, beautiful bill
was that the Senate parliamentarian
ruled several key provisions violated the Byrd rule,
which governs what can be included in reconciliation bills.
Specifically, provisions like the Medicaid provider tax cut,
a Medicare drug price negotiation exemption
for orphan drugs,
and blocks on Biden-era regulations
were struck down because
they were seen as extraneous to the federal budget, not directly impacting revenue or spending.
This forced Republicans to rework the bill, delaying its passage and creating tension as
they scramble to find alternative savings or meet strict budgetary rules.
Brock, I want you to scan X to the most recent that you can in the web and really try to
discern Elon Musk's position and problem with the Big Beautiful Bill and see who he has been
engaging with the most on the platform that is opposed to the bill.
Based on posts on X, Elon Musk's main issue with the big, beautiful bill
is its massive spending, which he says increases the debt ceiling by $5 trillion,
calling it a disgusting abomination and a crime against the American people.
He's been engaging most with Senator Rand Paul, who shares his concerns about the bill's impact
on national debt and has echoed Musk's criticisms.
And one last question, Grok.
Sure, go ahead.
What do you think Trump's main motivations are for pushing through this bill, despite
the large price tag?
Is there greater political implications that might not be getting through to
Musk? Trump's main motivations for pushing the one big beautiful bill seem to be cementing his
legacy and consolidating power, using it to deliver on campaign promises like tax cuts,
border security funding, and deportation plans, which he sees as key to
his political brand. The large price tag might not concern him as much as the political win and
momentum it could bring, especially with the midterms looming, where showing strength could
rally his base and pressure Republicans to stay loyal. Musk might be missing how Trump views this
as a short-term power play that could overshadow long-term fiscal concerns, prioritizing political capital over deficit worries.
What's the best way to navigate the situation and reconcile the two?
How could they come back together? Because obviously the influential divide is not helping the original movement.
the influential divide is not helping the original movement.
To navigate the situation between Trump and Musk over the big, beautiful bill,
they could focus on finding common ground, like emphasizing parts of the bill that both want,
such as border security or tax cuts, and agree to trim the fat, cutting out the excess spending
that Musk hates. They could also set up a private meeting or use X to
publicly hash out a compromise, showing unity to their followers, which would help rebuild trust
and momentum for their broader goals. The influential divide hurts the movement,
but a clear joint statement or a scaled down bill might bring them back together.
So let's say that the Senate approves this bloated version of the bill. How much of a chance do we have to impact the provisions after that, once it hits the House?
If the Senate approves the bloated version, the House has a decent shot at impacting the provisions, but it's tricky.
They could refuse to pass it as is and send it to a conference
committee to negotiate changes or demand amendments. But with Republicans holding narrow
majorities and Trump pushing hard, the pressure to just approve it might win out. Posts on X suggest
most expect the House to either pass it quickly or make only minor tweaks. So the chance to
substantially change it isn't huge unless there's significant pushback from within the party.
Describe that process in detail once it hits the House after the Senate.
Once the Senate passes the bloated version of the bill, it goes to the House,
where the Speaker will decide whether to bring it to the floor for a vote or send it to committee for review.
If it hits the floor, House members can propose amendments,
but with time constraints and party pressure,
these might be limited.
Only fast procedural changes would likely stick.
If it's sent to committee, they'd scrutinize provisions,
holding hearings, and suggesting cuts or additions.
But this slows things down,
and Trump could lean on leadership to rush it.
After debate, a final House vote happens.
If they pass it, it goes back to the Senate for approval of any changes
or straight to the president if unchanged.
If the House rejects it, it could stall or trigger negotiations.
But given current dynamics, most expect alignment
unless fiscal hawks like Musk rally enough opposition.
And one last question, Grok. When is the deadline for the debt ceiling?
The deadline for the debt ceiling, or the X date, is likely between August 15th and October 3rd this year, unless Congress acts to raise or suspend it.
Treasury Secretary Besant has said they might run out of cash by August,
so mid-July is the target to avoid default. And what would be the implications of default?
A default would tank the economy. Stock markets would crash, interest rates would spike,
and borrowing costs for everyone, from the government to homeowners, would skyrocket.
It also eroded trust in the U.S. dollar globally,
potentially triggering a recession,
mass layoffs,
and long-term damage to America's financial credibility.
Go back to mute, Grock. That's not even true, Grock.
Come on, Grock.
Grock, go back to mute.
Ignore anybody that says anything to you.
Go ahead, Raging.
It's obvious that Elon's,
I mean, I've heard everything. That was pretty good,
by the way. Good job, Grock, even though you're not listening to me. But I wanted to say that
Elon's push is an attention to this bill. This bill is garbage. I don't care what anybody says.
We might want to pass it, but there's still time to go look at it. We pay these people in Congress and in the Senate.
We elect them to actually do a job.
Their job is not to party hardy and go home and have good boat cruises and go to wherever they want to go and have vacations.
Their job is to do what the American people want.
That bill needs to go back to the House.
When it does, it needs to get rewritten and shot back to the Senate.
It has too much work.
It's a damage.
Now, I think what Elon is doing is drawing our attention to it as the American people.
Because this bill is going to do more hurt to us than it's going to do good.
Just because we have this lust, okay, this crazy lust for the immigration part.
Guys, overlook that.
This bill does long-term damage to the average American. It really does. There's just too much in it. The AI part alone in it, I don't like it. Everybody could sit and try to justify what's happening with this. You guys, oh yeah, but this, but that. This is what the left does. They'll justify and prove that what they're doing is right we on our side we actually have to be
critical have to be critical about what's happening what's going to affect us in the long term and
americans are kids this is what's going to end up getting affected our kids some of the provisions
don't even take effect of 2029 so what are we here complaining and saying oh anything trump says has
to go and this bill's great trump sent that bill the way he did and they massacred it.
They turned it into the abomination that it is right now.
It's not Trump's bill anymore.
It's their bill.
And we really need to actually look at it that way.
We keep saying it's Trump's pushing it.
Yeah, because he wants some of that immigration stuff.
But in the lust for that, we really can't bend over and just take it in the butt.
can't bend over and just take it in the butt.
I'm sorry.
The greatest existential threat to the country
is 30 million
illegals here
who are, their entire purpose
is to destroy the country. That's not
a lust. That is survival.
That's what we voted for.
Well, there's a little bit of a lust.
Please don't interrupt me, sir. I didn't interrupt you.
The two top issues that
Americans voted for
were one, the economy and two, the border and immigration, period. That is a fact, sir. So
like to act like it's a lust, it's not the top thing that was on our mind when we when we vote
all voted last year. Even Democrats cared more about immigration than anything else
right that was an american issue that wasn't a partisan issue so i just want to throw that out
there like acting like i get it yeah yeah like we're a bunch of like far-right racist xenophobe
like that's what i hear when you say that is the typical i don't think you meant that
yeah that's not what i meant but the lust the meant but the lust like we're getting off on it
exactly
my point in that
diligent wasn't that
I actually voted for Trump too
that was one of my main things
but the thing is we can't what I'm trying to say is
we can't overlook
the things that this bill does besides that
you know that's what i was doing
and i think elon musk is drawing our attention to this and i get it uh you know people aren't
happy about it and stuff but maybe it's a good thing that he does bring our attention to it
between the two that that causes divide right like it's just uh there's no need to make it
personal right now i feel like trump is the one doing it more now but i think it's a shot back across the bow after the epstein
thing he's probably a little bit fucking still peeved about that which i think is completely
understandable given the circumstances um i want to read this um this is from you know polina luna
she just posted it uh not too long ago.
There's one thing that the House can do to fix the mess the Senate made with the reconciliation bill, a manager's amendment.
It must be added to the rule vote on Wednesday.
This would restore a lot of what the Senate is trying to strip out.
Speaker Johnson can direct Virginia Fox to make this change happen.
Speaker Johnson can direct Virginia Fox to make this change happen.
There will also be a massive callbacks of wasteful spending,
and we need to start balancing the budget.
Decades of pork spending got us here.
It won't be easy to climb out.
I fucking love her, dude.
I'm going to try to get her into a space.
She's a G.
Yeah, I'm going to try to get her into a space along with Burleson i'm gonna try to get her into a space uh along with burleson
they're on a bunch of a few committees together and i think that we need to have a big space on
this probably wednesday we'll need to push uh push some phones to call speaker johnson
and pressure uh pressure our congress uh to make these rules changes because it is gonna the pork version of
the senate is going to the house that's a fact um but if we can make changes or pressure for changes
using this platform uh then by god that's what we're gonna do uh let's go to some of these new
people and then we'll go to the hands go ahead kyle yeah I appreciate it. Two points. One, I completely agree with Elon's frustration when it comes to wanting to start a third party.
Me, myself, I would like the idea of it simply because it would force conversation to where Democrats couldn't just say, hey, at least I'm not a Republican.
And Republicans couldn't say, hey, at least I'm not a Democrat.
They would actually have to sell themselves to you to actually earn your vote. But nonetheless, in terms of all the whining about the budgetary issues, most
Republicans and conservatives actually don't care about the budget because they're unwilling to
touch Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, which accounts for 60% of the fiscal of the annual
budget every single year. So until they're willing to talk about edging off or getting rid of the false entitlement
programs that are just kick the can extortions, then honestly, any budgetary talks are really
just arguing about scraps when you still have steak on the plate.
But anyway, that was my quick rant on it.
And I'll let you go.
Thanks, Phil.
I appreciate you.
I'm tired, you guys.
I'm going to go through the hands.
I'm going to wrap it up.
Zentani, you can go last.
Let's go to Jack Smith.
Hey, man.
Thank you for the mic.
I jumped on a little bit late,
but have we considered at all that,
you know, Trump's a master salesman and showman
and, you know, he's a great chess player.
What if this is all just, you know, a red herring of sorts or, you know, he's a great chess player. What if this is all just, you know, a red herring of sorts
or, you know, to set it up as a gatekeeper situation
to, you know, to avoid actual opposition?
Have you guys discussed that?
His falling out with Musk second time now?
I think that is Cope.
That's what?
I think it's Cope.
Okay.
Diligen said you sound like a bunch of
pussies. That's what you said.
That's not what I said.
No, Jack, I just think
that we have a tendency
or at least I've noticed a lot of MAGA has a tendency to try to think that things are 5D chess instead of accepting things for what they are.
And, you know, that's what some of that is.
And it's a sad fact, but what's going on right now has extremely far-reaching implications.
And you don't arbitrarily do damaging moves like that to a unified, momentous party without some kind of just cause, I don't think.
thing so so i don't think it's uh doing it arbitrarily i think um it's trying to get out
So I don't think it's doing it arbitrarily.
in front of actual pushback and opposition that is inevitable because of you know given the facts
you try to maintain momentum and unity as as much as you can that way you can
do as much damage so to speak It affected as much change as you can while you have that cohesiveness and momentum.
Everything, all of this politics has a lot to do with momentum.
And you even Grok acknowledged that during the discussion, that the reason why Trump's
pushing through the bill so hard, the price tag is because there's a
strategy to having momentum in politics, and he has to be able to carry through the midterms to
see out the addenda. And so this bill lands him the political wins with the base, the tax cuts
particularly, as well as the border legislation,
like the border agents and the border wall, et cetera.
So he's willing to take that hit to score that victory.
And so it's a nuanced political strategy.
And it's unfortunate that the Senate swamp is fucking doing its thing to mess it up.
But that's where we're at.
I think that we're just going to have to say, fuck you, Senate, and put all of our focus on pressuring the House to make changes.
And luckily, we're on a platform where that's possible.
that's possible. And so I think that's what we'll do. Um, I'm going to spend tomorrow reaching out
And so I think that's what we'll do.
to congressmen that I know and Congresswomen, um, and see if we can't get them into a space,
maybe tomorrow night or Wednesday, and we'll have a rally and fucking blow up Mike Johnson's phone,
uh, who I won't call him no Johnson right now now i won't call him no johnson uh will
pressure johnson into uh doing the rules change so at least we have a plan right
thanks man appreciate you yep no problem let's go to vegas and then
uh jess and then adams and then sally and then zentani goes last hey thanks for having me here i truly
appreciate it uh look i don't want to take any digs on elon um definitely respect the guy but
just want to give you guys a brief history voted for barack obama in 2015. obama gave him nearly half a billion dollars. Okay. He goes on and votes for Hillary.
We know what happened with that. He goes on and supports the infrastructure bill
of Joe Biden, and then comes back and supports the inflationuction Act of Joe Biden.
All which was super inflationary.
He was a speakerphone for the Paris Accords, if you guys remember.
He is diehard at the root with climate change.
Nothing wrong with that.
He's environmentalist.
He's all into green energy.
Grok, fact check all of those claims.
Here are the facts.
Elon Musk did donate $2,300 to Barack Obama in 2007
and $5,000 to Hillary Clinton in 2008 and 2015,
supporting her environmental promises. He criticized Trump in 2016, but didn't donate
to either candidate. Musk voted for Joe Biden in 2020 and supported parts of Biden's infrastructure
bill, an inflation reduction act, though he later opposed subsidies in the latter,
calling for their removal. He was initially for the Paris Accords, though he later opposed subsidies in the latter, calling
for their removal. He was initially for the Paris Accords, but left Trump's council in 2017
when Trump withdrew from it, showing his climate change stance. The half billion claims off.
Obama's administration gave Tesla a $465 million loan in 2010, which Musk paid back early. He's pushed green energy, but also criticized
excessive government spending.
Yeah, so what you were saying wasn't exactly true, bro. They paid the money back
on the loan. It wasn't a subsidy.
Got it.
No, go back to mute. Go ahead, Vegas. Just want to make sure that we were putting out
accurate information.
Absolutely.
Accuracy is key.
If you've got specific facts to check or want me to verify something.
Grok, this is the space host.
I am the daddy.
You do what daddy says.
You mute your fucking mic.
Go silent.
Got it.
Vegas.
Got it.
Okay.
Vegas, I guess we'll come back to you.
Go ahead, Sally.
I don't even know what I'm saying anymore.
I thought this was a reconciliation bill,
but I was looking it up while everyone else was speaking
because I thought they were just shifting money around trying to balance
whatever they passed in October with the last reconciliation bill. But I guess they also...
I think you are confusing reconciliation with continuing resolution.
Correct. I am. And so that's why I was going to ask a question on that. It is no longer valid,
so I will relent okay vegas yes thank you um yeah so
just to continue um what my thought process was uh elon's number one worry as many people were
no one was talking about the debt the debt like crazy as they are now. But because it's Donald Trump, here we go again.
Elon said the biggest danger to the survival of America is the woke mind virus.
That's what started his civilization, actually.
civilization actually yes that was his biggest shift towards um movement centrist and going to
the right and he said it also that you know the way they're going they've got they want to ban
all free speech etc and more cubans on record saying i want to come after and get the platform X.
So as great as Elon is, we need to wake up that he is motivated a lot with self-interests.
Whereas Trump continues to prove, whether people want to call him, whatever you want,
he continues to prove that he tries to call him whatever you want he continues to prove that
he tries to make the best decision for his base and as far as this bill it turns shitty because
trump understands you can't win the whole war with this swamp he knows it's still there he cares about
two things that most people should care about today taxes and deregulation and he knows with
the ai that we are going to get enough growth coming that you know hopefully uh with the
momentum we'll start balancing this budget it's not going to happen overnight with this bill or no bill
right on thank you for that.
Let's go to...
Let's go to Jess and then Adam,
and then if anybody else wants to speak before,
Zantani and then Zantani.
Oh, my gosh.
So, you know, I don't understand
why we have to make everything black and white.
I guess we're all bipolar now in 2025.
We're post-modernists.
So you can support Elon Musk as a business person and his criticisms, which are completely
legitimate, by the way, and also support Donald Trump. And you can support many provisions of the
bill, but not everything. Like the SALT deduction, I realize that that's a tax cut in a
sense, but keep in mind what that does. If you live in a high-tax state, you can deduct all those
high taxes from, or many of them, from your federal income taxes. Well, who does that really help?
That helps people in high-tax states, which you could make an argument.
That helps people in high-tax states, which you could make an argument, I certainly would,
I certainly would if I was still doing policy analysis.
That is a disincentive for people in high-tax states to agitate against their taxation schemes in those high-tax states.
So I'm not against the SALT deduction, but my gosh, I mean, if you want to deduct state and local taxes,
you're making it easier for people to have an excuse not to move to one of the states that doesn't have an income tax like Tennessee, Florida, Texas, Wyoming, New Hampshire.
But I think the biggest problem is that we have all of these giant, huge bills.
We're raising the debt ceiling, you know, by what, $5 trillion.
That's decoupled from spending.
Every time we have a CR, it's always separate from the debt ceiling discussion.
You know, GAO came out last year, I think it was in December, and they had a recommendation,
which even though it was Biden's GAO, theoretically, it's, you know, nonpartisan, but I think it
was a good recommendation.
The recommendation was every time Congress votes on a spending bill, they should also vote on a debt ceiling increase that is right there with that spending bill.
I think that really brings the discussion to the fore.
But that's not what we have now.
And we're rolling everything in these big bills.
So, you know, regardless of the fact that, you know, some of us are going to be more supportive of this or less supportive or whatever, we just have to be mindful that Congress sucks.
And the fact that Donald Trump is president doesn't change the fact that Congress sucks.
And the fact that Elon Musk is out there spending a lot of money doesn't change the fact that Congress sucks.
The process that Congress goes through sucks.
It's always
sucked. It's going to keep sucking. And it sucks more when we put everything in one enormous bill,
which I don't like, even though I like many of the things about it. But the process sucks. So
let's just be mindful of that as we go forward, that none of us are going to be happy with whatever passes in this. Let's hopefully get the good out of it.
And my God, let's try to do something better in the next election and hold
people accountable for all this bullshit spending and debt ceiling increase.
Thank you, Jesse. Agreed. Let's go
to Adam and then anybody who might want to speak about Zantani
I'll double check or triple check and
then we'll go to add uh zentani oh yeah i'd like to start off saying uh what someone else said was
good good cop bad cop i agree with it i've seen it more than once um you know they did it a while ago and Tesla dealerships stopped burning down.
Um, it was, it became the no Kings, uh, you know, rallies or whatever riots.
Oh, who knows?
I think they were contained.
So, uh, Trump reacted efficiently and with a strong fist, let's say.
And yeah, I think it's just more theater, let's say, for highlighting.
One thing, because there's been a lot of speakers, I'm trying to remember what I was piecing together,
is with that post, if you read between the lines, you'd see that basically Elon is highlighting subsidies.
He's talking about cutting waste.
Uh, you know, so I, I, I think, you know, since he paid back his loan plus interest
faster than what it was from the government, you know, says that he's a, he's an honest broker,
uh, especially with tax dollars. He wants the best. He's rich as hell. He's the richest man
in the world. And, uh, he doesn't really need subsidies need subsidies uh i don't believe he has partnerships
with space force and you know he has contracts with uh nasa as well he's pretty well off and
tesla and uh the taxis now coming out i think uh yeah he's he's a great entrepreneur. I think this is just pushback.
I think Trump wants this because he wants a clean bill with the things that he wants in it.
Not nerfed no taxes on tips.
Nerfed social security with no taxes.
These are unacceptable. These are what the mandate is,
and those should be reinforced. So I think once it goes back to the house, like Diligent said,
we got to put the pressure on and make these people, these servants represent us. It is the
swamp. So it is our job to like handle the swamp. He'll handle the executive branch. It is the swamp. So it is our job to, like, handle the swamp. He'll handle
the executive branch. This is the
people's house. So
that's where we put the pressure on
and let these people know
you won't be reelected.
You know, we want this thing
cleaned up, and that's what
Americans voted for.
And I'll yield with that.
Thank you for having me, Abdel with that. Thank you for having me up, Doljinn.
Would anybody else like to speak before Zantani?
Anybody?
Armory, do you have anything to say?
Anybody but Sally.
Anybody but Sally.
Anyone but me to speak before Zantani?
I mean, she loves it when I speak before her.
She wishes I would speak for like 20 minutes
to make sure that she has to wait even longer
before she can speak.
Congrats on the social media, Sally.
I didn't get to congratulate you.
Congratulations, Sally.
Congratulations.
You guys are being very mean, and I love it. it yep i'm sure that the scantily clad
photos selfies had nothing to do with your success i think it was all you all you sally
all personality are you are you talking crap on me seriously no we love you sally we love you we
love you go ahead zentani yeah um guys bullying is illegal, and I will be taking all of you to court.
No, I want to say a couple of things.
One, you guys love politicizing everything.
But just to be clear, the whole right-left thing, this entire vibe, it's for poor people.
So I'm not, I don't affiliate with either side.
I am not anti-Elon.
So I just want to make it clear.
And he's made me a lot of money.
You know, I don't need to do the whole politics theater thing.
Largely due to Elon.
So I just want to make it clear. Yeah, I'm not against him. I just think that power dynamics are super important and the way they come across. And so if Trump needs to amend something, that's fine. But it should not look like Elon is beating down Trump and forcing him to fix something. This is not a good look. It's just not good.
So I just want to make it clear.
Yeah, I'm not against him.
There's consequences to these things. Like you'll see in this space with Diligent,
I'm submitting to his authority because I'm in his, uh, I'm in his space, even though I am the
true alpha in the room, everyone knows it, but in his space, I submit to his authority. That's what
Elon needs to do. He can't come into America and start being president. It doesn't look good. And then the last point is
Is in Tawny is the most beautiful woman in the world
Grok fact check
Grok
You see how he didn't respond it just lets you know that it was a lie
Grok can you fact check Zintani is the most beautiful woman in the world? Thank you. I want you to call diligent Dennis
diligence tired
and you guys aren't being very nice Well, it's been fun.
It's been real.
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