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Trump v DeSantis WAR: Who's the Next President?
Recorded: July 5, 2023 Duration: 2:30:15Space Recording
Short Summary
The transcript primarily revolves around a heated debate between supporters of Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis, focusing on their political records, handling of the COVID-19 pandemic, and potential to win the upcoming elections. Participants discuss Trump's past presidency, DeSantis's governance in Florida, and the implications of their leadership styles. The conversation also touches on issues like election fraud, constitutional rights, and the influence of political endorsements and funding.
Full Transcription
And that last part felt like I was at a teacher's union like meeting and we were all fighting over who was going to get to adopt textbooks the next year.
And that kind of violence just really speaks to me, sent me back, you know.
It's just like the Brommer Teachers Union, man.
You've never gone toe to toe with any teachers union people than, if you happen with the Brommer Teachers Union.
Miami's...
Hey, you don't know.
Maybe I used to make out with Randy Wiengarten in closets, only I actually...
But, you know, you don't know.
Respect my pronouns.
Yeah.
Well, maybe she's, isn't she running the intelligence community now or something?
I mean, when I saw that, I just, like, why?
Because the teachers unions are responsible down here for most of the harassment of citizens online.
And, you know, dealing with those libs online, it's just like dealing with the Trump people today.
You have Laura Lumer tagging the FBI on things.
You have people copying and pasting text messages and sending them.
You have the nonstop cry bullying from the,
Trump side and the, oh, now everybody who doesn't support Trump's a rhino, but, you know, D.C. Drano was thanking, um,
Desantis, oh, him and his buddy Katzherd thanking Desantis for keeping things open and everything.
Now all of a sudden, Desantis is the worst rhino and everybody's a uniparty.
Unless you're Lindsey Graham and Trump is just trying to expose him, right?
Let me tell you, there is a major problem here and I just want to be real.
This is not to go at anybody or anything like this.
Trump says he's going to stop this Ukraine stuff.
Okay, first of all, you want to talk about polls?
There is no poll.
How is you going to stop that, Chris?
There is no poll.
There's no poll that shows that Trump can ever beat Biden or any Democrat.
Putting Trump up is a guaranteed way to loss.
That's alive.
Guaranteed way every poll.
All the polls that you guys say.
No, there are some polls that do show Trump above Biden.
Trump will not win.
Not a chance.
You know that's a lie, though, Chris, right?
I mean, the polls do show him beating Biden.
You know that's a lie.
You said that there's no polls at all that show that...
that Trump can't be Biden.
Are you standing in that statement?
I've not seen one.
If you can tell me one poll that shows that Trump is beating Biden or Trump beating Biden in a general election, show me.
And let me tell you, Trump also was going around saying, oh, we can't have somebody under indictment becoming president when it was Hillary.
Right.
But now I guess when it's him, it's okay.
And there's this whole thing.
I get it.
You know, DC Drino, you're an influencer.
I guess you make your money with your Instagram following like Kim Kardashian or whatever.
And, you know, you want to keep that whole train going and stuff.
And Desantis is a threat to this.
But you were here in Florida.
You saw how effectively he governed.
You saw he's a conservative.
You saw how he got these things done.
And now all of a sudden, it's, oh, DeSantis is just horrible.
The hypocrisy for you guys is-
Chris.
Okay, so I put the poll up here.
I wanted to see that point real quick.
One second, Chief
following go first.
Following, go ahead.
Yeah, I was going to say,
there's a poll from Newsweek from yesterday
saying that's headline,
Donald Trump holds big lead over Joe Biden
and swing states poll show.
So you want to tell me
that he can't beat him in a national election.
Unfortunately,
we have a,
a constitutional public, he doesn't need to win the national votes.
He needs to win the swing states.
We all know that it's just a genuine state, man.
He does not have it in the swing state.
You're okay.
You're telling me, Chris, Chris, Chris,
pull up Newsweek yesterday at 8 o'clock,
they said Donald Trump holds big lead over Joe Biden in swing states.
So stop with this disingenuous claims that he cannot win, because I don't think that's fair.
I will.
I will.
You sound triggered.
Well, you're wrong, though.
I'm not at all triggered because I'm going to tell you something.
I'm not someone who feels that passionately that one or the other is the devil.
I'm actually very bothered by the fact that there's so much fracturing.
between the Trump supporters and the Santhas supporters.
I just don't want to hear people making disingenuous claims
or gaslighting as to what the reality is.
So I think both sides are very guilty of gaslighting
when they talk about how terrible the other side is.
So to the extent I can come in here and point out
with either side is really misrepresenting reality,
I think you're half right.
You know, there is a side that completely switched, but...
The Exchelon poll has Trump up over Biden, but the NBC poll, Biden up too.
And this is 2024 swing states interactive polls.
This is the poll that you guys put under every one of our posts and try to rub in our faces all the time.
This is you guys' favorite polls.
NBC has Biden over Trump by two points.
Signall has Biden up by eight.
This echelon thing is a weird one.
It has it has Trump up by seven.
So you are correct about that.
I will admit that yes, there is this one poll.
This may be what you're talking about with Newsweek that is Trump being Biden.
But every of these other polls, Biden versus DeSantis, NBC poll.
Desantis up six.
Signal DeSantis up two and Eschelon DeSantis up one.
In every one of these polls, you got average Biden beating Trump by one percentage point,
Desantis beating Biden by three percentage points.
Chris, Chris.
It's a guaranteed way to lose.
Chris.
It's an empty argument when you talk about what a poll says 18 months before an election.
That's ridiculous.
Yes.
Yes.
So what I'm saying to you is when you're 18 months from November of 2024, you're trying to say, can he beat Biden?
I think that's when we know how poor the polls have been for the last six years.
And you're trying to say 18 months or four.
Go ahead.
Colin, the issue with your argument is, which I believe that the Sanders people will be arguing is,
Isn't that one of the main arguments being used against them that DeSantis is falling in the polls?
So the very same polls where the argument is being made that DeSantis is falling is the same poll that you're now making the argument.
And they're making the same argument that wait 18 months.
This is why I think...
I'll tell you the difference.
I can tell you the difference.
First and foremost, primaries are a lot less than 18 months.
That's first and foremost.
Second of all, when you're talking about polling numbers,
which are within 10 points of each other,
that is very different from polling numbers that are 30 to 40 points away.
That's not even the same.
You don't need to have an accurate poll.
You just need to go outside...
and and look around and you'll see where the party stands it's not if this was a thing to
look right now desantis was sitting there he's trailing 25 to 35 to to trump i'd be like yeah you
know what he can make that up trump can make some mistakes along the way he's made tons of mistakes
but when you're sitting here talking about a 30 point lead
It's not, people have correctly asked, where is that DeSantis bump coming from?
And no one has an answer for it.
The only possible answer is Trump continually stubbing his own fucks by meeting with the wrong people or saying things or, you know, having some sort of health issues.
That is the best.
If someone is a DeSantis fan, that is the best path for him to actually win in the primary is.
So let me go to her.
You'll take another vaccine.
It has.
Yeah, let me go to Phenom.
So Phenom, question to you.
I mean, the polls are looking quite bad for DeSantis.
I mean, Vivek's closing hard. Do we think, I mean, do we think Vivek's going to overturn Turkey and be the main challenger?
Well, I mean, absolutely. It's going to end up with Vivek being the distant second to Donald Trump.
I mean, we just know that because Donald Trump and Vivek Ramaswamy are the only two populist candidates that come from the private sector.
They didn't kind of come up the pipeline on like the taxpayer wanting a career in politics.
They both created jobs.
They both achieved great success.
And they are the only two that have really substantial policy agenda.
So if you go to any of the candidates' websites, you're not going to find any substantive policy agenda except for Trump and Vivek Ramaswamy.
Now, Trump is beating Biden in several polls.
The U.Gov poll.
the morning consult poll and that echelon poll.
So there's plenty of polls where Donald Trump is beating Biden.
And remember, Trump is the only candidate,
the only Republican candidate since 2004 to win a general.
So...
You know, a lot of this is just wishful thinking.
I understand emotions get high.
You know, that happens.
But I want to speak for a minute about Lindsay Graham.
So we have seen President Trump campaigning and leading for the past seven years.
And never once has his proximity to Lindsay Graham made his policies anything like Lindsay Graham.
So we already know that.
But what Lindsay Graham does have is a very strong constituent services program in his state.
That's why people still like him.
You know, a congressman is not just up or a senator is not just up on the hill.
They also are doing things in their state.
He has a very robust ground game there.
And you don't want someone like Lindsay Graham with that much political power campaigning or stumping against you.
And so people can't have it both ways.
Can't complain that like somebody's not endorsing your candidate and then complaining that they are.
So you definitely want as many people in the party political power structure of the GOP on your side, helping you win.
Donald Trump has that.
He's publicly...
You know, he publicly shows where he doesn't agree with Lindsey Graham,
and he's shown that with his policies as well.
So, you know.
Phenomenology, I love you, but that feels like a double standard
because I'm seeing people criticize DeSantis often for who he does
and does not associate with in the party.
But I, he doesn't have experience.
Okay, let's just play by the same rules, though.
Let's play by the same rules and say that both sides can both sides of the primary.
can utilize party structures in states.
The experience that picked bad people in his first term.
Phenam, let him finish, and then I'll go to you.
Go ahead.
Go ahead, Tom.
So the two points that you made, the first one that I had a significant problem with was that, you know, Trump and Ramoswami are the only individuals promoting policy.
So when I heard Trump speak this last weekend, Trump said he basically provided 28 situations to eight in which he said he would provide executive orders.
Then he said he would make school principals directly elected by parents, which is A, not constitutional and B not possible.
And then C said he would do some things regarding Congress.
And as far as policy proposals, DeSantis, to be fair, has put forward a lot of policy proposals,
whether one of them is a page on his website, in my opinion, is irrelevant because to answer the earlier question that has been the one no one has answered,
is what does DeSantis need to do a bump in the polls or to do a bump in general?
I would say that DeSantis plan for action to get elected, A, and B, to govern are better than Trump's.
Right now, Trump has spent less time talking about his plan for beating Biden.
How are we going to not have a steal this time around?
And then number two, what he's going to do in office?
I have heard very little.
of that in the specific.
I'm just saying for me,
and DeSantis has done more,
but it hasn't gotten out to people.
So to answer your question,
that's kind of my issue
with that kind of a portrayal.
That's inaccurate.
Yeah, I mean, this is FNM.
Phenam, one second, one second, guys.
I'm just going to go to Fenam,
but just before you do, Fenam,
guys, on the bottom right inside
is the comment section.
There is a lively debate
about who has the better chance of,
winning this i mean is the polls really bad for dissenters do you think vivac's gonna catch him up
do you think dissenters will catch trump let us know in the comments and any questions you have i
can put to the audience to the speakers as well so please bottom right inside put your comments in
phaena i'm sorry go ahead you're gonna sure so um president trump's policy agenda is called agenda
it is robust the most comprehensive policy agenda you will see we've seen in our lifetime
if you go to donald j trump
I mean, I'm looking at a heritage 45, 2025 agenda.
I don't think people can hear me.
One second, 20.
Let phenam finish.
So if you go to donogailtrump.com slash agenda 47 on the main page,
you'll see more than 32 videos of specific videos.
policies. Every aspect of domestic policy, education, immigration, the border, drugs, manufacturing,
energy policy, monetary policy. It is absolutely so comprehensive. Nobody can beat it. It's really not
necessary.
to go forward with this primary, but here we are.
It was dead in the water when it began with.
The people spoke in 2016.
We spoke in 2020.
Everyone knows of the maladministration that happened in the 2020 election.
There are boots on the ground in every county fighting this, but the policies speak for themselves.
There's no one that has the answer to that.
There just is no one else.
Yes.
I mean, I do. I have the answer to that.
The answer is that there are other candidates
with policy prescriptions.
And I have seen other candidates policy prescriptions.
And to say that no one else but Trump has any right
to the primary, to say that no one else but Trump
has any policy plans is disingenuous.
You can say, you prefer.
I mean, more to the point, I mean,
this is the kind of scammy behavior we've seen.
Like, she doesn't believe it.
She's interviewing Vivek Ramoswami tonight.
Like, why is she promoting a contested primary?
You know, this, and then the same thing, like, Paul Ryan.
Because he's going to be the distant second to Trump.
Yeah, yeah, whatever.
So this is, yeah, so like, you know, that's why Ryan.
Lindsay Graham is an important advisor and a campaign surrogate for Mr. Trump.
And, like, he's by his side all the time.
Trump has openly admitted that he only hired, that he, like, hires his friends because
Lindsey Graham kisses his ass.
Like, that's a direct quote.
And, you know, in contrast, like, Desantis hasn't met with Roeb, uh,
a row of Ryan or Jet Bush in years.
And yet people just like, people will spam that.
Okay, Lumer.
So, you know.
There's a video of it.
There's a video of it on Fox News where I think it's Mark Simone.
I'll send it to Mario and I'll post it for you.
I posted it a few months ago when DeSantis was on.
Yeah, okay, Lumer, I'm talking.
So there's a video.
So, yeah, there's a video of Mark Simone.
So I'll post it.
Okay.
There's a video, yeah, there's a video of Mark Simone, like saying that the bushes are running the DeSantis campaign.
But here's the thing about Mark Simone.
He's kind of Lumer-esque in that he makes stuff up and doesn't really provide any evidence and really humiliates himself
And people keep spamming that same that same clip. It's like okay, but like they still don't associate
There is no association you know who does have an association?
Trump and Graham Trump and McDaniel Trump and McCarthy like all these people I like I mean I'll say this about like Rogan. I'll say this about Lumer
you provide really good arguments about, like, how there's a lot of bad corrupt people in the Republican Party.
I just wish you would make the connection, make the connection, and say,
all those people were put into place by Mr. Trump.
So...
We have, but you don't like, you don't like looking at the stuff that I put out.
I ran national TV ads against Rana Romney.
And if you read my expose on the California GOP that has taken the Internet by storm today,
I directly hammered the fact that President Trump endorsed McCarthy
and said that it's probably one of the worst decisions he ever made.
So you're incorrect in saying that we don't ever...
criticized President Trump for people that he's supported.
No, you do, but you always, you're always like, I mean, I looked, I made fun of you for this,
and it was very funny that I did this.
I looked up all the time and you said, I love Trump, but, and then you like criticize, like,
extremely important decisions that he made.
Yeah, because I do love him.
But one of the reasons why I think people even like yourself are now, some of them are on the DeSantis train, is because, and I'm not saying that people don't have a right to feel this way.
Some people are very frustrated by the personnel and HR decisions.
And I love President Trump, but I'm going to be so persistent.
I'm so dedicated to...
get in there and help with these personnel decisions eventually someday.
I thought it was going to happen a couple months ago when I thought I was going to be hired
when Trump wanted to hire me.
But, you know, if you truly love somebody, you have to stick with them and help make them
better.
And I do believe that if Donald Trump just had not all of his staff are bad, but if he had
better people around him, he would be unstoppable.
And then some people will say, oh, well, then that's just another reason not to support him.
Well...
all the people that were terrible in Trump's administration have gone to work for Ron DeSantis.
So why would I want to support Ron DeSantis, even if there are valid claims against some of
President Trump's staffers, some of the worst of the former staffers are now working as sloppy seconds
for Ron DeSantis.
So I.
But Rhonda Santas, Laura, was the one who smoked out Susie Wiles.
What do you think about this?
You call out Christina Pushoffer foreign agent, foreign agent all the time.
When you got this woman, Susie Wiles, we all know who she is.
She looks like Mrs. Peacock from Clue.
She kind of also looks like...
that chick, Linda Tripp that was recording Bill Clinton.
I wouldn't talk to that.
What is that?
What is,
what are her looks at anything to do?
She has connections.
She works for a Chinese lobbying firm that makes things that spy on Americans.
Yes, he does.
She worked with a,
she worked with a firm.
She worked with a firm that has multiple clients,
but she herself never represented any Chinese.
Multiple clients that are ties to the CCP with companies like Yailing,
kickvision, volleyball.
He doesn't control.
He doesn't control.
It's a critical of you to call out.
No, it's not.
It's not.
Because Pusha,
because Pusha herself directly worked for a foreign client,
whereas Susie herself only had American clients.
So have you seen, respectfully...
It's not her firm.
It's not her firm.
It's not her.
Respectfully...
Regarding the Push-off thing, I have to ask, have we actually seen her suggesting, like, did she praise Mike Pence going abroad to Ukraine?
Yes.
If she's such a pro-Ukrainian official, we've seen her praising Ukraine and saying the U.S. should be giving them the blank check.
Is that true?
Zelensky, yes.
Do you have...
Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, congratulating Zelensky and saying, we need to give Ukraine a blank check are not two of the same things.
They're not the same.
They're not the same.
That Ron DeSantis and Tom Cotton and Adam Kinzinger wrote to John Kerry in the Obama administration wanting the Maidan coup to happen.
That's not good that.
That's not good that.
That's exactly what it was about.
You're scamming people again.
Please answer the question that I asked.
Answer the question.
Have we a piece of audio that showcases anyone in the DeSantis campaign?
And I'm asking honestly, seriously, please post a link that shows the DeSantis campaign openly saying,
give them a blank check because I remember from my media coverage,
and all of the feeds that I'm responsible for, that he was criticized heavily by holier than thou
establishment GOP, like Mike Pence and Nikki Haley, because he says that, you know, maybe we shouldn't
be giving a ton of money to Ukraine because of the accountability issues.
No, he is the same tactic that the Bushes did. They say, well, we won't fund it unless there's a clear
objective, you know, the.
So even if he denies it, you're still not going to be okay with it then.
He sent the Florida National Guard to you, train.
No, he didn't.
That's not how it works.
Yes, he did.
You have the order.
You can show me the order from the governor's office.
You have the order.
It's the same.
You have the piece of paper that someone has to do for the National Guard.
Remember, that's not how the National Guard works.
You look it up, smart ass.
Show me the paper.
The burden of proof is on you.
All they can do is ad hominem and insult.
It's not an ad hominem.
I'm asking you to prove your sources.
You got Laura and J.
cite your sources.
Cite war is not a source.
Show me the letter from the governor.
Hey,
hey, can I, can I, can I suggest something?
Can I suggest something instead of fixating,
instead of fixating on like this incident that happened here or there,
can we just like talk about policies that we should be supporting
and that if we see something like this,
we would not tolerate from our candidates?
Like I...
Well, if you want to talk about policies and you want to talk about the kind of successes DeSantis had, all you got to do is go on his Twitter.
And you see every single thing.
He comes in.
He's going to do tax relief in a budget.
He gives us $2.7 billion in tax relief.
He does the illegal immigration crackdown, puts out the driver's licenses of people that...
that are illegal from out of state.
He does the penalties for kids that go into adult live performances,
death penalty for child rapists.
Are we going to talk about Ali Alexander?
Are we going to talk about these groping allegations against Gavin Wax?
Of course, he was just...
So you're always, you just always bring up some sort of ad hominem.
The fact is, is that MAGA supported him for governor, but we never had vetted him to be president.
We weren't looking at him to be president.
And to be the governor in a bright red legislature is nothing like working with the Congress, with the Senate, working with all the ages.
How do you think we got that bright red legislator?
Yeah, she talks like, I mean, this is just like,
Trump is the one that did it.
The Trump, Maga did it.
It's a randomly happens.
I have the Thoris.
I have the source.
I'm happy to send it regarding the legislation that was proposed by Adam Kinsinger in 2014 that Ron DeSantis voted in favor of that would have sent $68 million in aid to Ukraine.
Wait a minute.
Does this include the National Guard?
Does this include Trump bragging that he?
I'm going line by, I'm going, I'm going line by line.
So before you jump down my throat, let me send the sources for all of this because your tactic is to like attack us and say that we make stuff up.
And then as soon as we provide sources, then you say, oh, well, that's not good enough when we're going line by line.
So let me do each one.
Yeah.
So, I mean, the thing is, like Trump bragged about all the, all the weapons that he sent to Ukraine.
And I don't think there was anything wrong with that.
But a lot of really dishonest people like just kind of pretend it doesn't exist or say it doesn't count.
Yeah.
This is a point.
He also helped bad weapons.
This is another tactic that they do.
They constantly say, oh, that's not true.
But then when you say it is true, then they say but Trump, right?
I mean, but Trump is a pretty good point.
You guys have to be honest in the way that you argue.
You have to be honest in the way that you argue, and you're just not.
Isn't that what you just did with people that Trump hired, you say now work for DeSantis?
I mean, Lumer, you've been on like a week-long vendor.
So you guys only focus on COVID and hires.
You don't think anything substantive.
And that is why DeSantis is just dropping like a rock.
You guys don't see.
According to.
Let's talk about the Wisconsin poll.
Guys, guys, guys.
Like the same whining about.
Let's talk about the Wisconsin poll.
It's just so silly.
Trump and DeSantis neck in the Wisconsin poll that actually meets the GOP or NRC standards.
for being a real poll because they polled over 900 people for this.
And this shows people that will sway towards Republican or might be more independent
You can't just cherry pick one poll.
I'm sorry, I know that.
Exactly.
The polls mean nothing right now.
So why don't the other polls only hit in Korea?
Listen, guys, there's like five people talking.
And like I'm saying to you, when you're on the speaker panel, you can hear each other, but listeners can't hear when there's more than like three people talking.
So let me go to Dr. Gawker, and then I'll go to Lev.
Dr. Gawker, I love to hear your thoughts.
Thanks to join us.
Yeah, thanks, Solomon.
I just jumped in.
I heard 20 minutes of the one that crashed.
I had to jump on this on when I heard it was up. Look, this is a point of discussion. You know,
the Florida National Guard in Ukraine, stop, stop, stop, stop. The real question is, why is a guy
like Ron DeSantis, who was touted by many who were Trump supporters as the next Trump, as the guy who had
save us from Biden, literally nowhere today.
Nowhere. He's between 20 and 40 points behind a man who has been indicted twice in Manhattan and by the feds.
That's the interesting question. I've got some theories, and it has to do with his lack of charisma in a modern age of post-19.
politicians as, you know, a class.
It's all about authenticity.
It's about charisma.
Why is, you know, Vivek actually going to outshine DeSantis in the latest polls?
Because he's authentic, because he's charming.
DeSantis is a black hole when it comes to charisma.
That's his problem.
And also what he said after the brag indictment that, you know,
I don't know about cash payments, hush money for porn stars.
He lost the base.
That's the really interesting study, not what Laura Loomis said yesterday
or what somebody said about the Ukrainians and the Florida National Guard.
This is a fascinating case study of new, new, new, new stuff.
Stop talking, right?
I was asked to talk.
Now, you can listen, okay?
Thank you.
It's a case study in new populist politics.
Why is Bolsonaro just been barred for eight years from running for president, okay, in Brazil?
It's the same phenomena. Why was Nigel Farage bank accounts private and business
shut down by the oldest bank in England
last week because he's a PEP, a person who's politically exposed.
I mean, that's the fascinating thing that Ron DeSantis, in an age of citizen politicians,
is crashing and burning.
I think that's what we should discuss.
If we're going to discuss politicians crashing and burning,
how relevant is President Trump's 2020 loss to Biden, or does that not count?
If he's not a threat, why are you guys so obsessed with him?
Why do you talk about him every day and shame on you, Sebastian Gorka, for not calling out Donald Trump about his support for the vaccine?
I saw that interview with him.
I'm not ashamed about anything because he said it's up to you.
I will call us to the answer every day on this.
Don't misrepresent his interview on my show you moron.
I interviewed him.
I...
I know exactly what he said on my show 10 days ago.
He said that he said no mandates.
That's the conservative answer.
Unlike your guy who fucking shut down the schools in Florida,
who put people in prison because they kept their businesses open.
Don't come to a gunfighter with a butter knife.
Clark, you're being a grifter right now.
You know, like, you pushed, you promoted DeSantis as the next best thing for years.
And then Trump told you that.
That's funny.
Yeah.
No, I mean, I can, look, you have a long, you have a long record of praising him.
And then you switch your mind overnight.
Like, everybody knows, you know, this death, Santa's trended.
every day during the crazy summer of 2020 because it was not because Florida was shut down.
It was because he was too dedicated to reopening.
And like, you know this and everybody in the room knows this.
And then suddenly we need to pretend that it's not true.
But there's great tweets right now.
Why is he 20 to 40 points behind?
Let's talk about it.
I don't know.
Why did Trump crash and burn against Biden?
It's a real answer.
Thanks for that answer.
That's really good.
You mean the guy who got more votes than any other incumbent president in history?
Thanks.
Yeah, no, so the thing about having more votes than any incumbent is you're not running against people in the past. You're running against an opponent. So that's the key. And I think a lot of people missed that very important point. You're running against an opponent. 2020 is your answer to why your guy's crashing. That's genius.
No, I mean, 2020 is my answer to like, why would we nominate someone who's already lost?
But that's, you know.
Max, this is one of Rhonda Sanchez's weak points, right?
Is because people were paying attention in 2020, right?
In addition to the ballot mules that we all saw on camera at the Dropbox,
and no, I'm not just referring to 2000 mules.
I'm talking about independent investigations that were done in several of those states.
All of that video footage can be obtained by anyone by doing open records.
request. So you can see it for yourself. Secondly, we were all paying attention to all of the
lawsuits to unsealed ballots. We all were paying attention to the election integrity groups that were
doing these FOIA requests for for poll tapes and the voting machines. We were watching the
Maricopa County Audit. We were following Michael Gableman's report in Wisconsin, all the Zuckerberg
money and how that was spent. So to sit here and pretend like Trump legitimately lost 2020 election
the 2020 election. You can do that all you want, but the majority of Republicans were paying attention.
I mean, that's not really, I mean, Mullins, you're kind of missing the point. You're kind of, let me finish.
You're missing the point. You're kind of arguing past me here.
Okay, Max, can I finish my point? You made your point.
So the majority, the majority of us were paying attention to all of those things. So trying to
gaslight voters into believing Trump legitimately lost.
is shooting DeSantis in the foot
by not acknowledging all the election fraud
that we know and saw.
Okay, okay, you've made your point.
So here's the thing, like, you, yeah,
like a lot of malfeasance happened.
Here's the problem.
Like, the 2020 election happened, right?
Okay, you're done?
Okay, that's nice.
So anyway, the 2020 election happened, right?
And, like, Mr. Trump was in power.
He was the president, and he couldn't stop it.
And, like, you've given me no reassurance that next time we'll be different.
I mean, we have, we have, like, scammers who are saying, like, don't vote early, don't vote by mail.
And then Trump kind of goes back and forth.
And he'll alternate between, like, raising money for ballot harvesting and then using that money to, on anti-Dissantis attack ads.
Like, I don't really trust that he has any dedication to building the infrastructure.
And I also don't trust that even if he builds the infrastructure, that he's not going to step on it by, like, telling people not to vote early.
You know, and then I'll be like, all this other stuff.
Like, you talk about, like, oh, they stole them in the middle of the night.
It's like, okay, again, he was president, he was incumbent.
And now you're telling me he's in a more advantageous position now as an insurgent
with Biden in full control of the federal government.
You know, it's really unfair.
Like, you can say, it's like if you fight a war and your opponent fights dirty,
it's like, yeah, it really sucks and it's unfair.
But you don't reward a general because he, like, tried his best and failed.
You were, you try, you elevate the best person to lead your troops in the battle.
Totally.
How does that, how is that a pro-disanis point that we had massive election fraud so bad that it actually overwhelmed the White House that the DOJ didn't open up a single election fraud investigation?
The FBI was not only spying on Trump, but they were suppressing a laptop.
How does a new guy...
come in and fix this without any power.
I just, fundamentally, I just reject the idea that everybody else is as incapable of dealing with adversity as Mr. Trump is.
That's a fundamental issue.
If you'd let me finish, Max, instead of cutting everyone off.
Okay, the same problem affects all GOP candidates.
His name is Brian, D.C.
No, it's not.
It is.
I spoke to Brian this weekend at the Moms for Liberty Conference.
It's not the same person.
You can not like Max.
You can dislike him.
You can say he's just saying a show or I don't like him.
They're not the same.
I'm just supposed to take your word for it.
I've actually shown evidence.
Lumer, you haven't shown any evidence.
I've seen the evidence and I wasn't, I wasn't convinced.
Let me just say this about Lumer.
A lot of people might not remember this, but the reason that the women's march doesn't
exist right now, why Lumer was banned off of Twitter is because she exposed their anti-Semitism
and their leadership.
her best work.
I was just reading your book, Laura.
I was just reading Lumerd.
Everybody read Laura Lomers' book.
It's like rules for radicals, but even better.
Laura, you also blew the lid off of the election fraud going on in New York.
I didn't know about that.
You dressing up in the burq up for the women's work?
And also in Florida, too.
I mean, people say, oh, you never say anything nice about DeSantis, but I want to remind people that it was my reporting that exposed the box of mail and ballots in the back of the rental car at the International Airport in Port Lauderdale that pretty much exposed the election heist in Florida in 2018.
So before Russia and Bob died.
Laura, you may have gotten him help get him in office to begin with.
You're reporting helped Trump get in office.
So let's step into that, honestly.
I have a question.
I have a question.
I'd like to.
I feel like we interrupted Rogan.
I'd like him to finish his thoughts.
Yeah.
Sorry about that, Rogan.
That's okay. I just wanted to give Lumerous shout out. So, you know, my only point being,
election fraud is not a Trump or to Sanis issue. It's a GOP issue that we have to face, that we will
have to, regardless of who wins this primary, we are going to all have to come together and fight
like hell to make sure that they can't steal this again. I just think it's a little bit disingenuous
to say that it's, you know, Trump or DeSantis is going to do better. We need Rona McDaniel to get off her ass and put
ballot harvesting plans in place instead of letting turning point action do all the heavy lifting
and Scott Pressler.
So, you know, that that's just something that we as the GOP need to come together to fight.
But do you think we saw, I underestimate how powerful the Deep State was in 2020.
Rosen, do you think it's possible that there is someone who is more capable of combating
the nefarious actions in the deep state than Trump was when he was removed from office by it?
I think Trump is the biggest honey badger in the entire primary, and that's why he has 50, 60%.
The American people aren't looking.
They aren't prioritizing as their number one thing, anti-woke policies.
If they were, DeSantis would be in the lead by a mile.
They're looking for someone to go in and beat the shit out of the deep state that is taken over this country
and is going to completely turn us into a Marxist totalitarian state if we don't have an absolute brawler to go in there.
That's why I support President Trump, and that's why a lot of people do.
But what do you say?
So on top of that, who was more successful?
Who was more successful, Rogan, at dismantling these things?
You live in Florida.
You saw that we got a protection of medical conscience act put in.
We got mask mandates ban.
We got vaccine mandates ban.
We got DeSantis is the guy that sued the airline so we get rid of those mask mandates.
I think you made a video about it.
And you've seen this, is he not better at taking on the deep state and actually winning than Trump is?
But the question is not about...
There's loopholes in all those bills.
If you actually read the bills, there's loopholes in so many of the things that Descant...
I read every one of them.
We're on rabbit trails again.
We're on rabbit trails.
The question is, we know...
There's loopholes and all of them.
And the mainstream media is in disdance.
His back pocket.
The question is not whether DeSantis or Trump will be better once they are in office at combating the deep state.
The Trump community believes that Trump is the best man for it.
And I see a lot of merit in that.
And the same with the DeSantis community.
The question that is asked that every Republican that I know that I have spoken to from Indiana to D.C.
and back again is asking is...
If given that, and we all from Laura all the way to Max, kind of united around this, that if there was election fraud in the 2020 election, as many of us have claimed, what is the plan to combat it?
I don't want to hear how angry Trump is at DeSantis. I don't want to hear how angry DeSantis is at Trump. I want to know how do we make it.
to 2024 and beat this election fraud that we've been talking about for the last two and a half years.
So far, I haven't heard Trump say it.
Yes, tell me.
State by state action on the legislative level and in the courts.
And I know it's going to upset a lot of the DeSantis folks, but people like Carrie Lake are leading the way.
They never give up.
She may not be successful, but she has established new precedent.
One big reason.
She has, name one victory.
Kerry Lake has had.
She's had none.
She won the GOP primary
against a well-funded establishment candidate.
You know, let me finish, please.
It's,
You have to fight this in the courts, okay?
That is an answer.
Thank you.
You have to fight it.
You have to be unashamed, unabashed, and you have to go all the way.
She has now set precedent in Arizona that you can actually look at signature verification.
That is a small step forward.
This stuff is happening in Georgia, Wisconsin.
Again, people like Scott Pressler and Harmeet Dillon and others, I mean, it's the courts.
Right.
That is the one branch where we actually have a tactical advantage for at least the next five to ten years.
If we use it, we are making strides.
Pennsylvania, I believe, said mass mail and ballots are unconstitutional or dropboxes.
Don't forget the, don't forget the Secretary of States that were polled as well on election issues.
Yes.
So we are keeping away.
It's more than the courts.
It's more than the courts.
The US Constitution is clear.
It is the state houses that run.
This is why the whole
Descientists can fix it thing is so bogus.
The US Constitution is clear.
The state houses run federal elections.
They decide how long to vote for,
whether there's voting,
whether there's signature verification.
It is a local state by state action.
And then it's individual action, okay?
You've got to scare the people in the state houses in Pennsylvania to actually follow the
Pennsylvania constitution, which states that the secretary of state and the governor have no
control over the elections. You can't have 45 days of voting. You can't have, you know,
this, you've got to play it state by state. And this is why it's not Trump's for 2020.
It is utterly completely, the R&C and the GOP, the fact that
Rona sat on her fat ass and didn't actually send lawyers in advance to the states that had 60
days of voting to make sure we had people on the ground when every stinking ballot was being
processed to make sure that they're real ballots. But
only after the election said, oh, oh, a Kurt Schlicht is a good guy. Let's deploy him to, you know, Nevada.
It's a little bit late then. We love these people, but you can't deploy them after the election.
We don't fix this. This is not a federal problem. The U.S. Constitution is clear. States run elections.
We have made the GOP so frightened in those states they will never get reelected that they have clean elections.
So given that, you're actually right, Sebastian. Now let me ask you this. What about Florida? Everybody's ignoring the 2022 election where we had a red wave down here in Broward County. If people had actually run for commissioner, if I put my flip flop up to run for commissioner and put a Republican next to it,
it would have won. Miami went red. Palm Beach Commission went red. A Republican school board member got elected down here. I mean, we had this red wave, and let me tell you what the Santis did. He came down here to Broward County, right at the courthouse, right next to where I live, and he flanked by all these Broward sheriffs.
comes in and announces the arrest of 20 people for illegally voting and makes a big stink
out of it and, you know, sent quite a message with that. And he has his Bureau of Election
Crimes to investigate. This is a law enforcement thing because the problem with Carrie Lake is
she was trying to have these signature matches overturned. And I'm telling you, by the time it gets
the signature match, it's too late.
And yes, the signature match is arbitrary.
It's a law enforcement thing.
So my question is, after seeing what a great election we had, and sure it wasn't perfect,
I'm sure somebody can tell me somewhere where there was some problems.
You're never going to get it perfect.
But as far as the whole country, Florida did a damn well good job.
So instead of going after DeSantis and calling him a rhino and saying he killed his...
you know, his friend or whatever and all these other crazy things.
And why don't we just like look at what he did in 2022, what happened in Florida,
the Florida blueprint and do that in Arizona, Pennsylvania, and follow that.
But I think there's a lot of resistance to doing that because it's Ron DeSantis and he's
become so polarizing ever since he dared to challenge him.
King Henry the 8th, Donald Trump, who's entitled to the nomination, please.
But when he arrested those people or threatened to arrest those people for election in Florida,
was that before or after he had to pardon the people who have jailed for keeping their business open in Florida?
Oh, those were my friends, Mike and Jilly and Carnival. Yeah, what happened with that?
So was he before or after?
What does it matter?
It was...
Well, because people
went to prison
for keeping their business.
Mr. Kirkland.
I don't need
to have to the government.
The governor let them go to prison
for keeping them business.
They didn't go to prison.
This is the great COVID hero.
I mean, I've already been in the whole, the whole, like, thing.
It's a fact that under the Santhas's Department of Health, through an order, people were sent to jail.
The video has been out for a long time.
It's a vibe community notes.
It's a real thing.
The Santhus's Department of Health put an order out and had two people basically ordered to stay indoors.
Yeah.
I thought we were talking about election fraud.
Well, I'm answering a work.
I mean, this is all so grifty.
Trump was pushing for lockdowns until the final day of his, he was in office, and everyone knows it.
And people say it doesn't count because he didn't have an executive order.
All these national parks were shut down on that somehow.
You noticed they didn't deny it.
So this one point.
He can't deny it, so I want to put that out there.
Okay, let me go to free.
Let me go to Freak because he's out of Zandah for a while, and then I'm going to go to
live.
Go ahead for you.
So, guys.
Thank you for letting me up on the stage.
This is the premise of the question, right?
As I heard it when I first got in this space is, you know, why is DeSanta so far behind
and Vivek is coming up in second?
It's an actually, absolutely nonsense premise.
Like, we don't have national primaries in the Republican Party and in this country.
So to look at national polls, right, to poll somebody in Oregon and say, well, that means that, you know, Trump is way ahead is absolutely nonsense.
The race is happening right now in Iowa.
That's where it's at.
If you're talking to me about a national poll, I can tell right off the bat that you're full of it.
Right.
So Vivek is not in a close second or he's not running up in second in Iowa.
Let's look at Iowa and let's look at the actual posters who don't have a D rating with 538.
Anytime somebody's talking to you about a national poll's absolute nonsense.
At this point, in the 2007 or 2008 election,
Hillary Clinton was winning with black Americans.
Hillary Clinton was winning with black Americans.
It is so early, you wouldn't believe it.
And in all the races previous...
Iowa didn't make up their mind until like the final two weeks of the race.
So where does this premise come from that DeSantis is far behind is what I want to know?
All it is is gaslighting and propaganda.
Where does this idea come from that he's far behind?
It's July, folks.
It's July.
Chill out.
Like he's running a good race.
He's doing what he needs to do.
Trump has dropped five points in Iowa in the past month.
He's going to continue to sink like a stone.
You know, if we went off of, you know, him being ahead right now, then Rudy Giuliani would be president.
Because he was ahead, right?
Michelle Bachman was ahead at one point, you know?
Jeff Bush was it, just relax, man.
Like, he's running a good race.
Let's not, let's be the smart people.
Let's be the smart people.
And let's not cite national polls.
Good. Can we do that? Everybody, let's stop playing that again.
Okay, so let me just give Heather a chance to respond. Heather.
I mean, I mean, I kind of agree that like polls can be skewed any which way.
So I've always taken polls like a grain of salt.
Okay.
I think for me personally, as somebody that travels all over the country,
like I can pretty much gauge where people stand.
And other than these Twitter spaces with people like Chris and Max,
I never, ever, ever go anywhere and see people with DeSantis gear on.
I don't see people enthusiastically saying,
oh my God, I love DeSantis.
Like the base is not there.
And even when you look...
at the rally size.
It's so funny because every time Trump holds a rally,
the DeSantis cheerleaders on Twitter will be like,
oh, you know,
they'll try to minimize the numbers or whatever.
But here's the thing.
Where's DeSantis's numbers, right?
Like he doesn't have any.
He holds these rallies.
And more often than not,
he will piggyback off of something else.
Like he'll be a keynote speaker for some fundraiser,
and there will be people in the room that may or may not even support DeSantis,
but then his entourage will photograph the room and try to promote it as like,
look at all these DeSantis people.
But when he actually holds a solely DeSantis rally,
the numbers are so low when compared to President Trump.
And again, going back to my point,
of many of us in the Republican Party, the reason President Trump has such a loyal following.
And again, it's not a cult.
This is why we all don't like Lindsey Graham, even though Trump does because we're not in a cult.
We just support him because he's authentic.
He follows through on what he says he's going to do.
And that's something you don't get with DeSantis.
He can't sit there and avoid talking about things like election fraud in the 2020 and 2020 elections when at CPAC, the number one issue amongst conservatives in the straw poll was election integrity.
So you can't keep dodging these things and portraying this sort of false persona.
and expect to win over voters that are currently supporting President Trump.
And that's why Vivek is doing so good because he was outside of the Miami courthouse saying,
you know what, this isn't right what they're doing to him.
He's standing firm in his morals and convictions and being authentic in the process.
And neither one of those we get from DeSantis, which is why I almost think the space is irrelevant,
considering all of the national issues at hand right now.
Heather, can I ask you a question.
Great.
Then you can I ask Heather?
Hi, Heather.
Heather, can I ask you a question?
Are you saying that crowd size equals you're going to win?
That's, is that what you're saying?
Is that you're saying, are you saying that if, if somebody wears your merch, that means you're going to win?
No, I think it, I think, I think turnout is like a good gauge.
I think if somebody goes, you know, if you're campaigning in the basement like Joe Biden, right?
And or Donald Trump.
Well, Donald Trump is doing that.
And if you look at the Jumbotron right now, that's what, that is what your guy lost to last time.
That's what your guy lost to.
He didn't lose to.
He didn't.
There was election.
And you wanted to sit here and pretend like it didn't happen is why your guy.
Heather, by your standard, by your standard.
based on the crowd sizes that Donald Trump was pulling in 2020 compared to that picture that I've got up in the JumboTron right now, it shouldn't have even been close.
Let's like let's let's let's let's stop the nonsense that says that because you can get some super fans to come out and see you.
That means that you're going to win that that means that you're a winning candidate.
It's absolute nonsense.
I will never go to a political rally.
You want to know why?
Because I have a life.
I've got things to do.
I've got a business to run.
I got a family that I love.
I've got friends.
I'm not going to a political rally.
You're not going to see me stand out in the rain to go see DeSantis.
But guess what?
I will do.
I'm going to go to the voting boot and vote for him.
So what you guys have to do is get back to reality, right?
No one was wearing Romney merch.
when Romney won the primary.
Nobody was wearing McCain merch
when McCain won the primary.
Donald Trump is very good at marketing,
but he's not good at winning elections.
and he's, he won a, he won a fluke election.
Can I make a play?
I'm going to land my plane real quick.
I'm going to land my plane.
It's five seconds.
He won a fluke election against Hillary Clinton,
one of the most just like absolutely disposed,
despise and loat people in human history.
Like, he won a fluke election against her
and hasn't won a damn thing ever since.
Spare me the nonsense, guys.
Let's get back to reality.
Okay, so.
Let me just point out that until 2020, enthusiasm was the determining factors who would win.
Now, we can look at why that was not the case in 2020, and there are two possibilities.
You could either be that there was some level of fraud that was happening there,
or, to be fair from the other side, it could be that the reason enthusiasm
had always been so significant and may no longer be as significant is because of mail and voting.
The reason you need enthusiasm is because while you may go to the polls, whether or not you're
willing to have the time to go to a rally, that doesn't mean that everyone, particularly the youth,
because the youth is the one who tends to scream a lot and vote a little, but they didn't,
that did not happen in 2020. And a large part of that is because they didn't have to actually
go to a poll. They could literally have their parents fill out their ballots for them and drop
in the mail. So when you're saying enthusiasm doesn't matter, I think that historically that's
more. However, it probably matters less going into 2024 than it did at any time prior to 2020,
if that makes sense. And then how do you measure enthusiasm? Please, let me just go to, is there more
than one way to measure enthusiasm? That's my question for you. Is, is enthusiasm only measured by
who has the most spare time to go out and hang out?
and wear a red hat and listen to a guy,
read off a teleprompter?
Is that the only way to measure?
No, no.
It wasn't just that.
By marketing, right?
Like, think about it.
Every single place you go, there's Trump merch being sold.
Why?
Because people are buying it.
If DeSantis was so popular,
somebody in the free market would be putting his name on a hat and selling it to make a buck.
But unfortunately, he's not that popular.
And Trump is a walking economy.
So when DeSantis won re-election, when DeSantis won re-elects about 20 points, how many people were wearing DeSantis hats when that happened?
Was that a merch bonanza?
I don't think so.
People went out in voting.
Do you mean how many people were wearing DeSanta's merch when he was campaigning with Donald Trump and his campaign?
campaign asses.
Yes,
was not
success and now
that he doesn't
have Trump
to piggyback off
of nobody wants
to buy the stop.
DeSantis very much
did not
he like famously
did not
campaign with Trump
in 2012
I have a life
I don't go to
political rallies
what kind of
arrogance is that?
Okay, I mean, that's the kind of elitist, globalist.
I don't go to rallies because I'm special.
So let's say that with a British.
One thing.
Let's talk about 2020.
Let's take this.
Let's put the Santis and Trump aside for one second.
Let's talk about 2020.
Does anybody on this call know how many people voted on election day in 2020 as a percentage of eligible?
I know that Trump got beat by a corpse.
Do you know how many people, don't get an asshole, because don't come to a Twitter space to be an asshole, all right?
How many people out of the 100% out of the 100% answer the question, does anybody on this call?
Does anybody on this call know out of 100% how many people voted on election day in 2020?
Anybody?
I'll take a step in the dark, under 25%.
It was, in fact, 25%.
Hot damn, I get the editor's trophy tomorrow.
Mailing out 81 million ballots wasn't the cover.
If you think COVID wasn't the cover, for the biggest...
election fraud in world history, then you don't, you shouldn't comment on politics in Florida or
any world. You just don't understand what happened. What happened in 2020? Let's talk about,
you want to have an interesting conversation? I have a question. Talk about how we get back to having
an election today, not mail in ballot. Sebastian, your guy told his voters not to vote by mail.
He never would have mail in ballot.
Your guy told his voters not to vote in the easiest.
My guy, my guy actually said, mailing out tens of millions of ballots is the recipe.
Your guy told his voters not to vote by mail.
Your guy literally, your guy literally chose Blockbuster over Netflix.
Well, maybe he was just, you know, too arrogant not to go to, you know, campaign events.
Or he signed, maybe your guy's not very bright.
You're so special.
He gave like hundreds of millions of dollars for mail ballots.
I love this when the rhinos and Desantis simps come out.
He's too stupid.
A guy who'd never run for county dog catcher.
Never run for any political office wins the first time.
That's how Doug was.
Bro, you're making the argument.
He doesn't know what he's doing.
My dude.
He had names.
Like, I don't think.
So who cares?
Who cares? Why did he want bail a balance?
Guys, I know you're all excited, but there's Chris Free and Max talking at that same time to respond.
I don't know.
Maybe do coordination.
Yeah, I just have a quick question.
When President Trump signed the CARES Act and gave hundreds of millions of dollars for universal mail-balloting, does that count or does it just like not count?
Sebastian going once going twice.
I would call cricket.
Yeah, I mean, on one hand, he like,
in the hand he, like, passed legislation that he's so much universal mail bad.
On the other hand, he, like, tweeted that it was bad.
Who's to say, I guess?
No, they weren't sitting there being like, hey, will you sign this CARES Act so that we can push mass mail and ballots, right?
You're probably twisting crap.
I'm probably twisting crap.
I mean, it was really, I mean, it was really, I mean, they might have used some of the funds.
They might have used some of the funds, but actually a lot of that mass mail and balloting was paid for with Zucker bucks.
Okay, and it went to key swing counties, primarily Democrats in the swing states.
Yeah, I mean, multiple things could be bad at once, but like he still signed the CARES Act.
Like, Desantis did not sign the CARES Act.
President Trump chose to sign the CARES Act, which contained millions and millions and millions of dollars for...
a permanent regime of mail voting.
And the Zuckerbach stuff is bad and should be banned.
Thank you, Governor DeSantis, for banning it.
But it's a drop in the bucket compared to what President Trump chose to do
when he signed a permanent regime of mail ballot into law.
And I guess, I guess the answer, I guess, Mr. Gorka's answer is it doesn't count.
But, like, in my opinion, the bills that you sign do count.
Yeah.
So just as a moment because I'd like to, I'm actually going to step off here and go hang out with my kid who I've seen far too little today.
And that's not a slam.
That's not saying any of you all.
I'm just saying that's why I'm getting ready to head out.
One thing that frustrates me.
So at the Heritage Foundation, we have a no endorsement policy.
I'm not endorsing any speaker.
And I'm not trying to be the, you know, the bleeding heart, journo who's, well, I just want to learn.
But I do think that when this conversation, when we talk about the GEO nomination and, you know, we fight over it.
I get a little aggravated because, you know, we'll get into a conversation in which one person will say, you know, well, Desantis signed this law and then put these people in jail.
But then when Trump signs the character, all of a sudden, it's, well, he can't possibly be reading every little thing.
And I think, I think in that moment, that's a little disingenuous in the same way that we act very sanctimonious about one side getting to attack the other and all of the others.
The thing that I believe most Republicans are concerned about regarding voter fraud is,
what is the plan to stop it in 2024?
And from the questions that it was answered earlier,
so far it's the state courts need to kind of figure it out the state legislators and things like that.
But I'm not really hearing President Trump talk about that.
And that's one of the things that concerns me.
If Trump is going to be the nominee,
and if Trump's going to go out there and he's going to win this time against the voter fraud,
why is he not outlining the plan to do so?
That's my own personal things.
I got to hop out.
Thanks for hosting me.
I appreciate it, guys.
You take care.
Because there was no voter fraud.
There was no massive fraud.
Lev.
One second, guys.
Guys, too many people jumping in.
Lev, go ahead.
I know you've already had it for a while.
Thank you, Silliman. First of all, there was no voter fraud, but I have a question for the panels.
I mean, since it's Trump versus DeSantis, who's going to be the next president, with the GOP at each other's throat and the Trumpers v.
DeMantis and DeSantis people vowing never to vote for Trump and basically laughing at each other and destroying each other and saying they're the worst of the worst, how do you expect either one of them to win the general?
A lot of Russian telling us there wasn't voter fraud.
Sebastian, you're an idiot, so you just keep quiet.
I want to talk to somebody that.
Let me answer that for him.
You're an idiot, Sebastian.
Can I go ahead.
Thank you.
Let me answer that for you real quick.
So, you know, Trump turned off a lot of independent voters.
Like, look at all the people who left the GOP and who vowed never to vote for Republicans
because Trump is in office.
And look at how he animates the Democrats to come out and vote.
So if you look at the flip side of that, right, when Trump is no longer the nominee and he won't be the nominee this time, how many people are we going to bring back onto the right and into the Republican Party?
How many parents who want to protect their children from the woke left?
How many parents who want to protect their children from indoctrination?
The same way Glenn Yonkin won Virginia in the same way Desan just won re-election in Florida.
How many of those people are going to be brought back?
to the Republican Party by somebody like DeSantis.
So the very small percentage of hardcore Maga cultists who are not going to vote for DeSantis
when he went when he's when he's the nominee, when he's the nominee, the the small percentage,
the very small percentage of hardcore magicultists who are not going to vote for him and are going to sit at home are
are going to be replaced by a coalition of parents.
It is the parent's revolution that's about to happen when DeSantis becomes the nominee.
And that's how he's going to win despite the goofballs who are cultists.
That's my answer.
You know, you know what cults do?
Colts try to...
Colts try to character assassinate people and make you distrusting of them and basically like set standards that you're not allowed to associate with these people, which is exactly what DeSantis supporters.
You were so, Heather, you were so close.
You were so close to condemning Trump for the blacklisting.
You were so close.
Oh, yeah. Okay. So the only people that support Trump are in a cult, right? Like, that's the argument there.
I said small percentage.
Free. The one thing I'm going to say is I think you have a great, I think it's a great answer.
But let me ask you a question. In reality, the one thing I have to push back on you is that Trump, it's not a small percentage.
He has a big percentage of the mega base. He has a huge base supporting, and that's why he's so ahead of the leads.
so doesn't that worry you at all?
I mean, you recall realistically what it is.
I mean, Trump has a huge following.
They don't know what the fact.
Like him or not like him.
I mean, he does have, he's popular with a huge base.
And his base is a lot stronger than Desanthus's base.
Right now.
So doesn't that worry you at all that, you know, if Desantis somehow,
and I don't think DeSantis wins the...
primary, I think Trump wins, even though I don't like either one of them.
But doesn't that worry that if DeSanta somehow wins, that because of the Trump's strong base?
And another thing, what's stopping Trump from running as an independent?
Because knowing Trump the way I know Trump, Trump, Trump, whatever you want to call him,
he'll never give up and try to run in the race as an independent maybe.
and mess things up.
So doesn't that concern you that the way the GOP is set up right now,
they're just bound to lose?
No, no, not at all.
So let me answer that real quick.
Yes, you know, Trump is popular right now, right?
And if you look at the polls right now, people are going to, you know,
people who are not paying close attention to the race who haven't really been introduced
to Ron DeSantis like that yet, they're automatically going to say the last guy that they
voted for or the person that they know the best.
And right now that's Trump.
Totally get it.
100%.
There is only a small percentage of those people who are willing to drink the Kool-Aid and do the suicide pack with Trump when it turns out that he is not the nominee.
Right.
So like if Trump is not the nominee, most people just want to win.
right you put them up against a
Biden or a Gavin Newsom
and all they want to do is win
they're not as invested as we are
you're never going to catch them on a Twitter space
those people are not part of the cult
they may have some kind of affection
for Trump but if
If DeSantis is the nominee, they are absolutely riding and dying with DeSantis.
And by the way, the polls also show that because DeSantis is the clear second choice for those people who are Trump supporters.
Like they don't have a problem with DeSantis.
It's not like his unfavorables are like...
crazy high amongst Trump supporters.
That's not the case at all.
So when DeSantis is a nominee,
am I concerned that Trump's hold on the GOP
is going to cost people to say,
hey, man, let's do the suicide pact,
and we're all going to drink the Kool-Aid,
and we're going to throw the election.
But they're not going to do that.
They're not going to do that because they don't hate DeSantis.
Well done.
Let me ask you a question.
One second.
Let me ask Lev a question.
So Lev, Lev,
previously when we had this debate or it may have been the time prior one at one point you made is because you spent time with dissenters or you knew him is that dissentis basically sells himself out to the highest bidder so he has no values whoever pays him the money he'll change his position and absolutely and you said that you're going to look into some some examples that you knew of so since then have you come up with any examples of when he's done that in the past
Well, I could tell you one example with me personally.
I mean, when I met Desantis in Washington,
when he came begging me to help Trump support him,
one of the things that we discussed,
that he was anti-cannabis at the time.
And I discussed with them and I told him,
I can't support him because I was a pro-cannibus guy.
And as soon as dissent, two weeks later, it was reported, you know, he gave me his word that he would go pro-cannabis if Trump would support him.
And as soon as Trump supported it, he was reported in the newspapers that he started becoming a pro-cannabis guy.
So, I mean, that's just one example of it, you know, that he switches to what benefits him the most.
Right.
But a question to free also.
I mean, with all the, you're saying that, you know, Trump is a cultist, and I believe that it's a cult.
I believe I was in a cult.
I believe Sebastian has had cultists over there.
And with the cult being the way it is,
Do you vote for him if he's the nominee?
Do you go, do the DeSantis people give up on everything that they believe in?
And then they vote for a guy that is indicted, that's a cultist, that has no idea what he's doing.
Like everybody's saying, like all the DeSantis people are saying, do you go out there and vote for him?
I think 99% of DeSantis people are going to vote would vote for Trump.
I am a special case because I absolutely believe that this is chest, not checkers.
And I think the thing that's most worrying about Trump being the nominee or Trump getting back into office again is that his supporters believe that he can do no wrong.
I don't think that's what the founders envisioned for this country.
I believe that he's supposed to be answerable to the people.
And if he's running a cult, I don't want him anywhere near the Oval Office.
So my feeling is that if Trump is the nominee, I would do everything in my power to make sure that he does not get into the Oval Office because I believe it...
At that point, we need to kind of destroy and rebuild.
We need to get the cancer out of the Republican Party.
That being Trump, and I'm not talking about everybody who supports them.
I'm talking about hardcore mega-cultes.
They are an absolute cancer.
I believe they're demonic, satanic, whatever you want to call.
I agree with you 100%.
One second, guys.
Let me ask three questions.
Chief, I'm going to go to you and go to you and say, let me ask three questions.
So, free, you've, and Chris has given 100%.
I thought he didn't agree with you previously.
He said he would vote for Trump.
if he won the primary back we'll come to christ in a second but three so what i mean there's been
a number of dissantis trump debates and one other than yourself generally speaking are most and like
you said 99% of disantus supporters
If Trump was to win, would vote for Trump.
But on the other way around, a large proportion of Trump supporters have said unequivocally that they won't support DeSantis and they'll actually write Trump in, even if DeSantis is the nominee.
Based on that, if you want, I mean, I know you don't actually.
But if for any other person who wants Biden out, wouldn't it be more smart to vote for Trump?
Absolutely not.
Absolutely not.
I mean, again, that's playing checkers and not chess.
This country needs a...
Actually, let me ask Chris,
let me ask Chris the question
because actually y'all said you would actually,
you'd probably support Biden over Trump in that style.
No, no, no.
I'd say I was going to support Biden.
I, listen.
How do you remove the cancer?
How do you remove the cancer then?
If you were going to make sure Trump does win,
surely you ensure the other guy wins,
that doesn't make sense to me.
Yeah, but you know, ensuring that the other guy wins
and spends four years in office fighting.
So I think if Trump is the nominee,
the down ballot movement begins the next day.
Right. The down ballot movement, in my opinion, is we will vote in and we will make sure that we prop up and vote in every single Republican down ballot so that we can fight Biden or Gavin Newsom or whoever it is.
But what we're going to also do is save the Republican Party because this country needs a Republican Party.
So free, free, you're in the election. You've got Biden.
Biden, you've got Trump, and you've got a third party, like libertarian and a few independents.
Who do you put your tick on then?
No one.
Oh, because you don't vote.
Yeah, no, I vote down ballots.
I vote for Republican senators.
I report.
No, I got that.
Free.
I got that.
I got that free.
Yeah.
Let me, but hold on.
I'm going to name my plane on the reason why.
I'm going to land my plane on the reason why.
And you said, you said they were demonic.
No, no, no, but let me land my plane on the reason why.
Oh, okay.
Listen.
If the Laura Loomers and the Alex Broussruits of the world and the Sebastian Gorkas of the world are allowed to continue to infiltrate and to harm the Republican Party, we won't have a Republican Party.
We won't, first of all, he's not going to win a general election.
We are the Republican Party.
Yeah.
Okay.
Nobody likes it.
No, you're the mega-cultzes.
Sorry, it's spoken like a second place.
Laura, if you are the Republican Party, why didn't you win when you ran?
crickets. I didn't think so.
So again, we're not going to allow these perpetual losers.
That's not Laura.
Actually,
I actually, I have a big, like,
I can confirm that Heather and
Lumer are the same person.
You can just check my...
You can check my...
You can check my blog.
It's called Max.
No, but Max, they've been on the stage at the same time.
Can you and Brian come on stage at the same time and then we can verify?
I swear I thought that was Laura Lumer talking.
She sounds exactly like her.
And I believe that they've never been in the same room at the same time.
They're the same person.
It's very fair at this point.
They have.
Clearly, Free's judgment is not the greatest.
No one could sound like...
We saw them in that type of way.
But anyway, let me go to Chris because...
Wait, come on.
Okay, I don't get what...
I don't get what free and Max's argument is
because they were both on stage at the same time.
Max and Brian haven't been on stage at the same time.
But maybe if they do, that I'll dispel any of these allegations or insinuations.
But anyway, Chris...
Same question to you because I'm sure you've been on stage before and you said if Trump was to win the primary, you would vote for Trump because for you, you need Biden out.
Obviously, free doesn't agree with you, but then you 100% of him when he said that made them comment.
So Chris, what's your thoughts?
Well, if Trump's the nominee, I can only pray that Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is the nominee and beats Biden on the Democrat side so I can vote for him because he's got principles and really the most important thing to me.
But what if is Biden? What if is Biden Trump, Chris?
Well, I'll never vote for Biden. I mean, it's the country's turning to something.
What if it's Trump Kennedy?
Yeah.
He just said it would be Kennedy.
No, I mean if it was a Trump Kennedy ticket, like a unity ticket, like Steve Bannon and
Kennedy ain't going to be on a ticket.
That's never going to happen.
That's never going to happen.
But Chris, if it was Biden, Trump, I know you said you wouldn't vote for Biden, but would
you vote for Trump?
I got to tell you, I was hoping for Trump, after I asked Ron DeSantis this question, I put it in the Jumbotron, I asked Ron DeSantis, last time I saw him, would you consider...
seizing Dr. Fauci's assets like any other drug lord.
Okay?
It was a little bit of a funny comment or trying to be funny,
but at the same time, deadly serious.
And he gave a deadly serious answer that we must.
hold the people responsible for what they did during COVID, the shutdowns.
And look, if he has capable of whatever in this, fine, hold him responsible too.
But he's the only one who is saying that we need to hold people responsible for shutting down the country, for keeping kids out of school, for mask mandates, for vaccine mandates, for all of it.
And it all came straight from the Trump White House.
So that means you wouldn't vote for him, Chris.
So you wouldn't vote for Trump.
Okay.
Well, let me just tell you, Trump had a chance.
After that DeSantis question, Trump or somebody reported that Trump would be addressing the vaccine side effects soon.
Look, he had 2021.
I was running around in a 47th hat by Forgiato Blow, like saying, we need Trump back.
I wanted him back.
I wanted him to run again.
But in 2021, he was mum on vaccine mandates.
He went around the country going, take the vaccine.
And told when his supporters would boo him over it, he'd tell him to shut up and, you know, just showing that he has no grasp of this.
And him saying that he didn't think that anybody or he did anything wrong during the shutdowns and basically saying that he would do it all over again, we can't go through that again.
Chris, but it's not just, so what you're basically saying, it's not the vaccine, you're saying it's the person, the person, he's the cult, he's the model. Exactly. Oh, my God, you guys are ridiculous. Seriously, you're ridiculous. Trump has not said he would do it all over again. What he said, what he said. Let me set the record.
when Trump has been asked about the vaccines,
he specifically says there's a lot of people in this country
that believe the vaccines were needed and were a good thing.
I personally have family members of mine that are vaccinated
that believe wholeheartedly in that vaccination.
He was vaccinated.
He took the vaccine.
op-lab, seriously.
Like, I don't know.
Like,
well, shouldn't be worried
about Russian politics.
I mean, serious.
Heather, you should go drink
some more Kool-Aid,
you haven't had enough.
The Trump party is way more fun.
So if you guys want some Kool-Aid,
I got a nice cold glass for you,
when you're done with your
lame loser Ron DeSantis party,
but,
But seriously, like, you guys don't care about that.
You're talking Trump Kennedy ticket.
You're not just on the Kool-Aid.
You're on drugs, too.
Do you know who Trump passed to go sit in on a meeting with Dr. Fauci?
It was RFK Jr.
And he admitted that in his Joe Rogan interview.
Well, that's actually, I mean, Heather, it's kind of the opposite.
No, Trump asked RFK Jr. to go and meet with Dr. Fauci.
That's a fact.
Chris, you know the story of this.
Tell her.
Look, Trump wanted to make Bill Gates his science officer.
I mean, how crazy can you be?
Listen to what happened.
So strategically, Chris, can I please?
Can I please finish?
Let me finish landing my plane.
Okay, because strategically, there's a good chunk of this country right now
that actually believe the vaccines were a thing
because they've been high on propaganda thanks to mainstream networks like NBC, CNN,
that we're pushing all of this.
you know, COVID fear mongering.
They all lined up to get those vaccines.
And a lot of them aren't ready to swallow that pill that there's some issues with them.
My family members are like that.
What do you talk about?
Trump took credit for Operation Workspeed.
He said they're impounded.
But that's the fact.
You guys don't want to hear the alternative perspective.
You're trying to talk over me.
So people listening can't hear both sides of the story.
That's what you're doing.
Let me finish.
So half of the country right now believe in these vaccines, right?
And if you're going to go into a general election where Biden is running this country into the ground,
one thing that you would be strategically better off doing is walking a neutral line.
Even if you're aware there's some shit going on with these vaccines,
you're better off sitting there acknowledging, hey, half the country wants some.
I never mandated it as a, as a president.
Nobody's mandated on his property.
No, no, no.
Let me finish.
Let me finish.
Be quiet, Chris.
He mandated it on his property.
You're going into the general election.
If you want to lie to the people, you can't see that he can be mad at a
eye and can be careful.
Oh, my God.
You guys, look at them.
They're like a pack of fleas.
Because you're spreading.
You're lying.
You're lying.
Listen, guys, there's way many two-bilt-old.
Heather, finish your point, and then I'll let somebody respond.
I would love to finish my point.
She's straight up lying, Solie.
It's ridiculous.
Let her finish a point, and then you can refute her.
Heather, go ahead.
Finish your point, and then I'll give Joe a chance to refute your point.
Go ahead, Heather.
The point I'm making is that you have a very divisive nation
on whether or not the vaccines are effective or not.
And so strategically, it makes more sense going into an election
to not be hardcore polarizing on one of those issues
if you want to appeal to a larger voting block.
And so DeSantis is actually shooting himself in the foot
for taking such a hardcore position on one issue when it comes to going into the general election.
Trump is more likely to pull in people like my own family members by not taking a radical position one way or another,
but saying, look, there's some people that like it, there's some people that don't,
and ultimately everyone made their own choice.
I don't even care if he came out today and said,
I don't know.
He was for the vaccines.
At the end of the day, I'm still unvaccinated because of President Trump.
Because I was never forced to get it.
I was able to choose it, right?
And that the whole point of government is not to make decisions for you.
It's to protect your right to make them for yourself.
I can't make decisions.
I can't have decisions for myself when the president lies to people a month and a half.
Go ahead, Joa.
Yeah, people can't make decisions for themselves, Heather, when the president lies for a month and a half on how deadly the virus is.
How about that?
Right?
When you lie to people, they can't make their own choice.
How is that relevant?
How is that relevant when the claims of him lying were in March of 2020 and you don't have a vaccine until three days after the election?
At least there's no publicly known vaccine.
Her point was that.
How is that relevant?
How is that relevant?
Her point was that he gave people the choice.
You don't get people the choice when you lie to people following.
Do you?
What did he lie about?
What did he lie about?
He said it wasn't deadly.
It's just like the flu.
But then he told Bob Woodward that it was deadly stuff.
Well, it was just like the flu until they said it was dead.
In February, in February, Heather, can I finish now?
Can I finish now?
Like, if you want to be treated with respect, I think you should do the same, shouldn't you?
Right?
If he lied to, he told people it was deadly stuff in February.
This is deadly stuff.
It kills people.
Then he came on TV two weeks later and said, this thing will pass.
It's just like the flu.
When he knew it wasn't.
He lied.
We also saw Nancy Pelosi say, come to China.
And the reason why you seem like a cold, the reason you guys seem like a cold is because you're blind to that.
One second, join left, follow and finish now.
Go ahead, follow him.
Yeah, when she's screaming, come to Chinatown.
And any ban on incoming flights in China is xenophobia.
We heard the left screaming when he first started raising the alarm.
But they were the birthday.
Follow.
But they were the president.
No matter how he handled COVID, no matter what he was going to do,
if he was going to be aggressive on COVID,
he was,
the left was going to use as an opportunity to punish him.
And if he was going to be,
it was going to give optimism,
they were going to try to punish him and call him a liar.
They had,
they,
they,
knew how they played it very, very effectively.
The lockdowns were very effective.
If you recall how strong he was in January 2020,
when he gave a state of the union about a union that was swinging like in nobody's business,
and they played COVID perfectly to destroy his reputation,
or at least taught him to play.
Yeah.
He allowed, he was weak.
You want to see how.
He was weak.
He allowed them to get played.
He didn't take a stance.
He tried to appease both sides by being a liar.
He didn't stand up to what he believed in.
And then he tried to try to take credit for whatever he thought worked.
When he thought the vaccine was working, he ran out and started pounding his chest saying that Operation Warp Speed.
He was the quickest.
We wouldn't have vaccine for another 10 years if it wasn't for him.
So he played both sides because he's a lot.
He tries to play to the five.
Heather said she didn't,
Heather said she didn't take the vaccine because of Trump.
On the way out the door.
Like why would he give Fauci a presidential accommodation
on the way out the door?
Explain that to me.
Heather,
following.
Some.
somebody what do you mean okay so at the end of the day president's
president trump was a businessman he's not a doctor he relied on a group of experts around him to
fill him in he realized and has admit in numerous interviews if he'd have gone back he would
have made a few different decisions and i don't think anyone is saying i never said i never
and hether this is a direct question that i asked you trump is going to be a hundred percent
This is a direct question that I ask you, and I'm asking following as well.
He's not honest.
You're trying to skip over this.
I ask you a direct question, and I'm asking follow in the same thing.
You know why?
When has this man?
When has this man?
When has this man?
He said Trump didn't enforce a vaccine.
Guys, it's like four of you talking on the same time.
She's saying she's saying Trump didn't force her to take a vaccine to
Where does the truth fit in?
Heather, like, where does telling the truth
and letting the chips fall where they may?
I mean, you want Trump to kiss up.
Trump is one of the most truthful politicians
we've had in Washington.
He lied over 30,000 times,
fact, Heather.
30,000 times.
I'm not about the damage of the vaccine is done,
and the people that have died
and the myocarditis.
Where does the truth fit in?
And when has he ever...
47 people talking about it.
It's not about the biggest...
Guys, honestly, I've had to mute like 10 times.
I don't get it.
Like, as soon as one person talks, like 10 people have to jump in and talk at the same time.
Maybe coordinate.
I don't know what's happening, but just one person at time.
Chris and three, you're on the same side and you're both arguing at the same time.
Chris, go ahead.
Where?
Go ahead, Chris.
There's just, is this some kind of glitch where I want to mute it remutes again within seconds.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Where does doing the right thing fall into place?
Okay.
And we saw Trump, I think it was on the interview with Sebastian Gorka, where he was saying, oh, my Democrat friend, I've got some very close Democrat friends who said the vaccine's really great.
And I should go and take a lot of credit for it.
They think it's really great.
It saved billions of lives.
billions of lives.
What is he snorting up his nose?
Is that cocaine in the White House really trumps?
Because what is he snorting up his nose
to make him think that he saved billions of lives?
I think he really thinks he's that character in his NTF,
that he saved the world and did all these things.
He's not looking at the Bayer's numbers.
He's not reading Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'
book. And by the way, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was going to head the vaccine safety commission
until Trump's inaugural committee took a million dollars from Pfizer and he had a meeting with Bill Gates.
And suddenly he's all about vaccines and stuff. And you know what? Even all that stuff, me and I'm sure
a lot of people were willing to forgive him, even though...
He did all this stuff.
I pushed to have him reelected.
I went to rallies.
I did stop the steel rallies.
I did everything I could.
And I was hoping when he came out in 2021 and started doing his Save America rallies, you remember that?
And it was like, yes, Trump's having his rallies again.
The country is going to be saved or going to be good.
He had the bully pulpit to speak against these mandates.
to speak against what
Cuomo was doing.
Chris,
to summarize a point
in 15 seconds
and they're not going
to pass it.
Okay,
all right,
that's fine.
He did not do that.
Instead,
Ron DeSantis
became the warrior
against the mandates
and against Fauciism,
not Trump.
He shut down Florida.
So when Ron DeSanis ever
had a
Heather, had the land finish.
I'm not talking.
Okay, listen, I'm not talking about shutting down Florida.
I'm talking about in 2021 the vaccine mandates.
When the mandates came,
Ron DeSantis signed a law banning vaccine passports,
which if he had not done that,
down here, we would have been screwed in South Florida.
They would have had vaccine passports everywhere.
Let me give the mic to Heather,
because everyone's trying to be good and put the hands up.
So, Heather, go ahead.
I was just going to say it.
Like, I feel like one of your arguments, Chris,
is that you're saying that, oh, because, you know,
Trump was getting advice from all these different doctors,
some of which were saying the vaccines were a good thing,
that you're saying that Trump hasn't come out
and disavowed the vaccines and said,
hey, I made a mistake.
I never should have a question, blah, blah.
Show me where he said.
No, but no, let me finish.
At the same time, right?
Like, when has DeSantis been like, you know what?
I shut down my state and I didn't have that constitutional authority.
And I should have read the Constitution because Florida wasn't the bastion of freedom and the Citadel of Freedom that my campaign ad says it was.
So what happened to being honest and admitting our mistakes and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Like, because like,
all the same stuff that you're sitting here giving Trump crap for,
you could equally apply to DeSantis.
And what I'm telling you is that strategically going into the general election,
because there are so many people that genuinely believe the vaccines are legitimate,
because of the propaganda, which I think Dr. Malone called mass formation psychosis,
it is a very real psychological thing that these people are like,
if you say anything bad about these vaccines, they will stop talking to family members.
Like it's crazy.
And so Trump is walking in that position where he's saying, look, like, you know, those of us that know these vaccines are bad, we know, right?
There are people out there that don't know that.
Can I answer what she said?
Can I answer what she said?
She's basically saying they're both first.
Trump and dissenters.
No, I'm not.
He's.
Sorry, had to finish your summary point in 15 seconds.
I'm going to go adjo.
Okay, I'm just saying Trump is not a doctor,
and he's getting all this medical information
from all of these different types of doctors,
including Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.,
which he asked to come to some meetings with Dr. Fauci as well.
So I genuinely believe he's doing the best that he can,
and I think given the circumstances with the nation so divided on the issue,
he's taking a safe approach by basically saying,
can I ask Heather a question, please?
Let me go to you might have asked Heather a question.
When I'm going to go to Joy, then I'll give it to you for you.
So it's all right.
Here's how Warp the facts are.
Heather, I assume you're in your 30s, right?
And you just said Trump gave you the option to not have to take the vaccine.
Meaning he didn't sign an executive order mandating it for everyone in the country.
He chose not to be a tyrant and protect my freedom and my right to choose.
Right.
He wasn't president of the bar.
Heather, you weren't eligible for the vaccine until Biden was president.
So was it Trump or was it Biden that gave you that right?
Well, I actually got COVID before there was vaccine.
And I took the hydroxychloroquine that Donald Trump was pushing.
No, no, no, don't change the subject.
Don't change the subject.
You were not eligible for the vaccine until Biden was president.
So Biden gave you that right.
Not Trump.
Oops.
Sure.
I guess you could say that.
But it came out under Trump.
Yeah, I guess I can say that.
I guess so.
The vaccines were available under Trump and he could have decided.
I'm trying to do what you're doing right now.
Fairly,
fairly.
Okay, guys, guys, guys, guys, guys, sorry, I'm on to mute.
I always forget the Trump designate spaces, the most mute spaces.
Free, uh, go ahead, bro.
Ask your question.
I appreciate it.
And again, this is what I'm talking about.
And, you know, I'll...
I hope you will open up your eyes at some point, Heather,
because this is why we call it a Trump.
I mean, a cult, like you are unwilling to hold this man accountable for anything.
And I'll ask you again.
For what?
Hold him accountable for what?
You won't hold them accountable for any.
Shooting chlorine in your veins, telling people to shoot chlorine in their veins.
For anything, for anything.
You never said that.
Oh, my God.
Here's the thing.
That is the most sense.
Hold on.
Let me finish my question to Heather real quick because,
She didn't answer this and no one's answered this.
When has Trump ever, ever taken responsibility and said, you know what?
I shouldn't have done that or I should have done this better.
When has he ever taken responsibility for anything?
I literally watched an interview yesterday where he said if he could go back,
he would have made some different decisions.
I would love to see that because in the whole time that he's-
I will send it you.
The whole time that he was president and in this entire off-season, right,
I've never seen him take, like, actual real responsibility for anything.
Meanwhile, like, you guys keep talking about, well, DeSanta shut down for a short period of time.
And then he regretted it.
And he said he regretted it.
And he opened back up again.
Can you send me where he said he regretted shutting down?
It's in the Jumbotron.
It's in the Jumbotron.
Just hit that link right there that.
Not CNN, I don't know why I didn't, but he said he apologized.
He apologized to Mike and Jillian for their arrest.
I mean, he looked right at him and said, I'm sorry this happens.
That is a sign of an actual, like, human being with like, with real human emotions and, like, who is not a psychopath, man.
Like, there's something, there's something missing with Trump.
There's something missing with him.
And, and here's the deal.
The COVID crisis, right, that was his moment for proving, right?
That was his moment to prove himself.
And he failed.
So why not just acknowledge that he failed in that moment where we needed him to protect our liberties?
We needed him to protect our liberties.
It was a once in a generation threat to our liberties.
And he went on the side of Fauci.
He gave him accommodation on the way out the door.
No, he didn't.
He was pushing monoclonal and.
sorry guys I'm gonna come to you in a second to respond but let me go to Scott
Scott answer John is what I know you had some point you wanted to make so go ahead
Scott Presler
Hi, thank you very much for having me.
Well, I wanted to offer something a little bit controversial and off topic, and I want to preface this by saying that I'm not endorsing in the primary.
But I know that DeSantis' camp has a boot camp that they're spending $100 million on, that they've already been knocking on doors in New Hampshire and Iowa and South Carolina.
And I think part of the problem we may have on President Trump's team is I'm seeing a lot of people change their voter registration from Republican to independent.
And in states like Pennsylvania, Florida, New York, California, you have to be registered as a Republican to vote in the Republican presidential primary.
And then furthermore, one less thing I want to offer is DeSantis, I think, is going to do better than we think he is from these polls.
Because for example, I know DeSantis' team, they're going to be ballot harvesting.
They're going to be voting early.
They're going to be voting by mail.
And I think it's a very real possibility that team Trump must consider that if something happens like it did in Arizona in 2022,
that when the majority of President Trump supporters are going to vote on Election Day,
it's a real possibility that there could be shenanigans.
that if DeCentist supporters have already locked in their votes and something goes wrong on election day,
you could very well see Governor DeCentis receive more delegates than the polls are currently showing at this moment.
And thank you for the opportunity to speak.
Trump will come out and say that the election was rigged.
That's what he's going to do.
He's just going to say the election was rigged.
He can't lose.
He's the best.
That's what losers do, right?
Losers make excuses.
And...
that's good could i yeah yeah treat go ahead i know you've waited for a while go ahead on time so the answer
freest question about this this is this whole covid thing this is a big thing for both sides that i think
just has to be put straight both sides had problems okay i know for a fact is probably the only person on this panel
who was actually let go because I can get the vaccine.
I have anybody here, I understand the issue of mandates.
I understand it very well.
I wish that there would have been, you know,
they wouldn't have this mandate.
I wish our companies wanted to be doing these mandates.
When I got released from a company because of a vaccine mandate,
I looked for places to go to Florida.
Because I thought Florida would be the place to go where I could go find a place
that company wouldn't mandate vaccines for my industry.
I looked and guess what, you still have the mandates in Florida for private companies.
So a lot of private companies have these mandates.
They have people required to get the jab and wear masks to work and be employed there.
So let's be quite clear.
Okay, both sides did bad.
No one did great on COVID.
Everybody had problems.
I wish that, you know, we wouldn't have this thing, this whole worsty thing.
And I also wish that Sanchez wouldn't have locked out at some point.
I wish he wouldn't have done stuff too.
Both sides of bad problems.
No one was perfect.
And people out there are trying to make this illusion about cultists or whatever.
But quite simply, I call things I see him.
Trump did balance something like COVID.
And it says the same thing as well.
Nobody's perfect.
And.
and to say and to i guess pretend as if someone's a hero in all this in reality everybody was
terrible okay it was terrible COVID all was a bad thing in general election terms our voters
don't care about COVID 19 in general election wise
The answer is no, unfortunately.
I think people should be asking about the long-term consequences about COVID.
But they're not going to be caring about.
They're care about the economy.
They care about things that hurt their pocketbook and how much to take home.
They're caring about inflation.
They're going to be talking about immigration and very of other issues.
So if we're going to be talking about general election terms and how to look as a Republican candidate to beat Biden and think, realistically speaking, not cult speaking, how to win a general election.
Let's focus on those issues.
Let's hammer the economy.
Focus on these big issues.
Right.
Social conservatism for sure is a big one I want to push as well.
And guess what?
We should go and take that mentality, when in 2024,
and not be delusioned by this grand talk about who's better of COVID,
this person or that person, and just go and it's never under squabble here.
It's ridiculous.
As someone who is been directly impacted by these mandates,
I would tell you, they say it was not perfect.
Someone wasn't perfect either.
So to call it as a cultist talk.
It's just ridiculous.
It's really a lie.
So if we could be realistically speaking here and talk to human to human, that would be great.
It would be more productive than calling people cultists all day and lying about that part.
Chief, with all the respect, I live in that call for four years.
It's a cult.
And I could call it a cult.
Just like you have experience, I'm telling you, it was a cult.
And that's why they respond the way they respond, because the megabase is a cult.
Yeah.
Wait, literally, all of you who are calling us a cult.
Oh, God, she's talking again.
Where were you working, Chief Trumpster?
Where were you working at?
I'm in STEM.
So a lot of these big fortune 500 companies,
I won't get too much of details about what I do.
However, when I got released my job,
you know, unfortunately, I was looking for places to do work.
I'm very blessed. I found a place that doesn't have a mask or a jab requirement.
So I was very fortunate.
I know people who were not as fortunate.
That's something buckled for this.
And I looked in Florida.
I looked at a place that do what I do.
I looked and looked and couldn't find any place.
I didn't have these places.
I thought that, oh, I can ask the question.
The answer is they still said you need to have the timing.
You need to have a jab.
And the mask.
But the answer the last question by the whole cultist space thing.
No, because I call Trump out when he does bad things.
I call people out when he do bad things.
I disagree with Trump on some issues.
I make the point very clear.
I'm my fan of McCarthy.
I'm my fan of some people that he has.
I'm not a fan of some things.
And I call it out and I say it as it is.
If I were a cultist, I would say everything's great and all that.
When I call things as I see them.
Do you agree that one-road?
Chief, I don't, I don't disagree that you're not the cult.
Dude, I'm not occult.
I'm not a cultist, okay?
One of the things that I don't agree with Trump on was the bump stock ban, right?
Because at the end of the day, the whole reason I support President Trump is because I'm a
constitutionalist, right?
So if you're going to vote for a president, you need to vote for a president that protects
your constitutional rights.
You said we should throw out the Constitution.
You didn't say he took away from
For example, right?
There's two types
There's two types
There's two types
There's two types of leaders
When it comes to COVID
There were the people that signed executive orders
Right and violated my constitutional rights
And the people that lie to the American people
That gave
Like in President Trump's case, he left it up to the states.
He protected rights by giving the sovereignty of the states.
He didn't enforce the nationwide mandate.
You are lying again.
He said it was his call.
His call only.
I have the receipt.
I'll put it in the jumbo trotron.
He left it up.
Guidelines and executive orders are two different things.
He said that it's his call, period.
follow their recommendation, that's called
you still have your rights.
There's a big
good. Can I just
Okay. Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Guys, please let Heather finish a party and then we'll come to you.
No, this is what they do is they talk over you when you're making balance.
I mean, Heather, Heather, Heather, Heather, Heather, Heather, Heather, I'm going to come to you.
But let's be clear, you've been the same.
You literally have interrupted so many people.
It's fine.
Everyone's been doing it.
But let's not pretend one side did it more than the other.
Everybody's been on the interruptions.
That's why I'm going to mute like a hundred times
And I said I'm a call
I call it I call it
Heather
I'm gonna let you talk
So Heather I'm gonna let you respond
Can you see like even you interrupted me
Like I'm not bothered
But you can't be complaining
About other people interrupted
When you do it yourself
And I'm not saying you're only doing it
I'm saying everybody to be doing it on the stage
I want to mute more times today than any of the time
She's like a filler buster
She just takes over and talks the whole time
Heather let Heather finish
Heather finish your point
No, I'm just finishing my point is that like when like regardless of who you support going into, like if you're true conservative, you should be going into every single election saying who's the candidate that is going to most likely protect my constitutional rights and not waiver. And unfortunately, I don't think Ron DeSantis has ever read the Constitution because nowhere in it does it say you can sit.
from your gubernatorial chair and shut down people's ability to work or gathering groups or
beaches or all those other things.
So unfortunately, my loyalty lies with President Trump because I feel like he is the best case
scenario moving forward and making America a country that is led by our Constitution.
Heather.
If we recommend it's a whole country shut down, getting ready to go.
It came from Trump's office.
Heather.
That's where the order to shut down came from.
It came from Trump's office.
It's not an executive order.
It's a recommend.
Who declares a state of a person?
Who cares?
He recommended it.
He recommended it.
And then the governors could then recommend it to their people.
Didn't he call to terminate the Constitution since you're a constitutionalist?
How do you feel about President Trump saying he wanted to terminate?
So let me answer that question.
So to be fair, what he was saying is that the Constitution has been so desecrated already
that it's pretty much our own government is not following the Constitution.
So he wants to...
was the point he was making. No, no, no, let's let's let's not let's not put words in his mouth.
No, that's exactly. That's exactly the point of it. That's the point of it. Heather, let's be
real. This is this is what I'm talking about. Like, you don't want to get pinned down on these
things that are you, do you support the constitution? Let me, let me, I'll answer that. I'll answer that,
but let me just finish my point. He says he wants to terminate the constitution. Instead of you saying,
you know what, I'm a constitutionalist.
That's more important to me than the president.
And I-
Context matters.
Let me just finish.
You do not take context.
Heather.
Instead of saying, yo, I-
It's honestly, it's deceptive to not explain the full context of things.
Heather.
Like when people like lever saying he was telling people to reject-
Frickin' freaking gleeveeat.
Let me finish.
Like context matters.
And what context is okay
for someone who wants to be president
of the United States to say that
they want to terminate the Constitution?
What context could
possibly make that okay?
When we want to protect...
You're picking and choosing what he said.
That's a pretty big thing.
It's not about terminating.
the Constitution
he was referring to the Constitution
being terminated by our
ruling regime
don't just pick the freaking words
no you read it maybe you didn't understand
what he was saying you have a
what about him saying take the guns first
he said take the gun first and then ask later
you have a comprehension problem
He said take the guns first and then asked later.
Why did Trump say take the guns first?
Maybe you have a comprehension problem.
Literally, you have labeled 75 million people.
Look, I don't support anybody that wants to take guns.
So I have no problem saying.
He said it.
Okay.
Let me read you what Trump.
Trump said a mask of this type and magnitude allows for the.
I mean, like, I don't know what you want.
Like, I'll go toe to toe with.
Trump or anyone on gun rights.
Like, I'm like a dog and a bone.
He said termination of all rules.
I already told you that I don't agree with him on the bump stock.
He said termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution.
Take it happen.
No, guys.
Let's go for free.
Free go ahead.
Finish your point.
Yeah, he called for a determination of all rules and articles, even those found in the Constitution.
That's what he said.
That came out of his.
So on the one hand, you're saying that you're a constitutionalist.
On the other hand, you won't rebuke the man for saying that and won't say that he's disqualified from office for A, saying that he would terminate the Constitution.
And for B, let's just go back to when he actually had a moment in COVID.
He terminated the Constitution, man.
He told us that we had to stay home.
And when Brian Kemp wanted to reopen, he rebuked Brian Kemp for reopening.
When he posted tweets...
South Dakota never stopped out.
Let me finish my statement.
He posted tweets saying that Sweden...
shouldn't have stayed open, right?
He got on he got in front of the American people and said maybe we shouldn't shake hands anymore
Maybe we need to do away with shaking hands
This man is not qualified to be president of United States and if you're a constitutionalist and you don't have a problem with any of that
Then you're not I don't know what constitution you're reading
Like I don't know was that before or after Ron DeSantis told Trump to quarantine the tric state area. I'm confused
Did Trump shut down those areas in Florida in June
when Ron DeSantis closed again?
This is what you're left with.
He's basically an MSNBC anchor.
No, no, no, no.
It didn't work for five years.
We're all cultists now.
We're all crazy.
It worked for the left.
Try it.
It's going to work good for you.
Okay, yeah.
I mean, people get to know Desantis.
They don't like it.
There's a difference between DeSantis and Trump.
DeSantis makes a move.
that he later on says, you know what, this is not a good move.
He says, you know what?
I apologize and I'm turning course.
Yeah, and Trump never shut them down.
I remember him saying open up by Easter.
They said, God forbid.
I remember him campaigning.
We need to open the schools.
They call them a bloody monster.
That was at the same time, the
Santhus was getting fired.
You seem to forget all this.
You can yell as loud as you want.
It's fine.
Because you don't give any context
and you give mistroup.
You go, Trump said this.
Let's talk about actions.
Do not.
This is cult.
This is what the cult makes you do.
You're not truthful.
They're not in a call free.
Let me go.
I'm a line.
This is.
Guys, there's like 10 people talking.
Prodigal, go ahead.
Let me let him up play, though.
The campaign's slimy from front and the back.
They're backed by all New York cons.
All the people who left, at least Trump is not bought this time around.
Regardless of Jim, I don't believe he wants.
Who's back?
This is a smart.
Right, guys, next person to interrupt, I'm just going to drop them.
Because it's literally, like, I just said let Prodigal talk like five dissenters people
just start talking at the same time.
Let Prodigal finish his point, and I'm going to go to Free or Chris to respond.
You guys could decide between you one of you to respond, not both of you at the same time.
Go ahead, Prodigal.
This is the slimy campaign, and all you need to know is...
Prodigal, it mutes automatically after a few seconds, so just go ahead again.
uh on mute protocol my bad yeah what i'm saying is i like dissantis the funny thing is free
talking is talking to me like i like the sandals the reality the matter is even though i want
trump to win the primary i am upset at how poor desantis has done and this just lends more weight to
is he even equipped for it he can't even handle a national campaign in a primary with the whole
party and establishment backing it like let's be real and the reality matter this is just so
slimy that how it's being run and how they they do revisionist history
Oh, yeah, Trump shut him down.
Did he send in the COVID shock troopers to shut down Christine Nome in her state?
Seven states never close.
So when they tell you Ron DeSantis was open and was the leader, that's a lie.
When Trump wanted to stay open, DeSantis was begging him to close the tri-state.
And Free's laughing.
because he's not in the tri-state.
And I was.
And we were shut down.
And DeSantis helped push that panic and pandemonium at that time.
And unlike him, we remember very well who shut us down.
This is the thing.
They're giving a left to pass.
We know our governors.
We know our city mayors.
We know our health commissioners.
And he's saying, no, Trump kept it down.
When you can literally look at the articles, you just have to put Trump wants to open up.
It'll come up in a stream.
And he goes, oh, he let Fauci do it.
He doesn't even know the mechanisms.
He doesn't have complete control.
It goes through the NIH.
Francis would have had done it.
Then he could appeal it to the board.
He would have been in power.
This is at a time after the Russia gate hoax and the Ukraine gate hoax, which were both fake now,
were occurring.
And this guy thinks Trump had the cachet.
to push away a guy on GQ
and that the left and the right
we're embracing.
I want to shout every six months
and say, no, listen to me
when half the country hated them.
The reality matter,
most of the Sanchez people
are in it for money,
come late lease,
or they're not equipped
for the struggle ahead.
And that's it.
And I'll end on that.
Everybody, have a good night.
All right, can I respond to that real quickly?
By the way, I want everyone to take a look at the jumbo-tron.
Because since you're saying that, well, DeSantis closed down, he did it.
Okay, let's just go with Trump's own words, which I posted to the Jumbotron.
He's telling everyone that you guys didn't close, right?
So it wasn't a long enough closing down for Trump to now turn around and say, like, oh, my gosh, they shut down.
No, no, no.
He went all around the country, making Florida the model for...
a state that didn't close.
Here's the problem that you have, man.
You just said it out of your own mouth.
Trump didn't have the smarts or the cachet or the intelligence
and he didn't know what to do.
And okay, well, then maybe he should, maybe he should stay.
as a game show host and not be president of the United States.
Then the same thing this wouldn't be governor of Florida.
You should be kissing his ass.
You'd be run by a closeted homosexual alleged meth head,
alleged.
That's being a governor.
I thought you were,
you should kiss Trump and their pitch is,
Hey,
I think,
yeah,
Richard Nixon lost,
Andrew Jackson lost.
Tell them not to rock.
I had a lot to say,
but I didn't interrupt me.
You don't care about 2020.
You never did.
You wanted to turn to page.
So let's go back to what.
Listen, for a lot of us, it's frozen in time.
It's never going to end.
But push this.
You just got done saying that the man didn't know what to do.
On the other hand, I see Ron DeSan.
I didn't say that.
What are you talking about?
You put your words in my mouth.
I said he didn't have the authority to fire pouchy.
That was through Francis.
It would have been appealed.
He was frozen in place.
And this is at a time he just faced an impeachment.
Okay.
So what are you talking?
He's the most.
this is the most helpless president of the United States
that has ever existed.
No president of the United States.
He was so worried about him.
He was so worried about him.
He was still worried about him.
Guys, guys.
And big tech and phoies in his party.
He said you can drop somebody if they interrupted, right?
Bro.
My man interrupted me like.
One second, guys.
One second, guys.
Free, go ahead, finish your point.
Product, let him finish his point.
Yes, please.
You just come on for you don't realize.
I appreciate it.
I appreciate it.
Listen.
At the end of the day, you have the most helpless president of the United States, the most ineffective.
When push came to shove, he didn't know what to do.
He didn't have the cachet.
They lied to him.
Meanwhile, DeSantis brings in Dr. Lodapo, right?
Like, he actually makes good hires, hires who err on the side of protecting our freedoms versus selling us out.
Trump gives Fauci a presidential commendation on the way out the door.
DeSantis brings in Dr. Lidapro.
That's all you need to hear, everybody.
At the end of the day, this is a chief executive position.
And it's all about who you hire.
Trump makes terrible hires.
He makes terrible decisions.
DeSantis makes great decisions.
And when he does make a bad decision, he corrects course.
Well, Trump sort of hired DeSantis.
No, was that a good hire when he helped him win the governorship right now?
I think it was smart on his part.
That was my fault.
That was my fault.
DeSantis came begging on his knees.
Who was that?
Does that live?
But listen.
This is like the biggest.
Here's the thing.
Here's the thing.
I respect.
I respect.
And they're all loving that.
At the end of the day, I respect results, right?
DeSantis wanted to do better.
You're getting killed in the private.
Hold on.
I respect results.
All right.
So let's talk about 2018.
DeSantis wanted to win.
He did what he needed to do to win.
And guess what?
He won.
We look at COVID.
When we look at the hires that he made, Dr. Lippo, again, he made a good hire.
He made good decisions.
He course corrected when he needed to.
He erred on the side of freedom while Trump is, I'm going to use your own words, did not have the cachet.
Yeah.
He did not have the cash.
With the public, yeah, that's correct.
And that respect, he did it.
Yeah, after being assaulted by the alphabet agency,
them trying to imprison everybody he was associated with and his supporters,
yeah, half the country still believe to Russia get stopped.
Half the country still believes Trump is in Ukraine.
A lot of dissentist supporters think the elections are great.
They're very secure.
So it doesn't surprise me.
Out of your own words, out of your own words, out of your own words,
he didn't have the cashier.
He's not a doctor.
That's the new slogan.
That's the new slogan.
That's correct.
Look at the polling.
They wanted to lock up.
80% of people were voting to lock people up, take away their kids.
Do you not remember what was occurring?
I do.
I don't make it true.
Listen.
It is true.
Don't look at the 80s.
Just saying it isn't.
It doesn't make it not.
I think I know the citation is better than you.
At the end of the day.
At the end of the day, they've never seen the Santis more.
He's never spent more money and they like them less.
His polling is tanking.
You had to put a picture of him next to Obama.
The one person will help destroy this country.
It's great, man.
It's great.
I trust your judgment.
Hey man,
take a deep breath, man.
How old are you?
This is so,
this is so ridiculous.
This entire,
this entire nature of this conversation,
we all fixated on COVID.
And the mistakes that both of them made during COVID,
which was a once in a century issue,
and,
and you're all sitting here fixating when they both made mistakes.
Neither of them own their mistakes because in politics,
nobody ever owns their mistakes because it's bad politics.
To the extent that, to the extent,
I let you land your plane and the flight to Malaysia came in before you.
Okay, so let me just get a minute here.
Listen.
I don't know who's talking, by the way.
I don't know who's talking about it.
Listen, listen.
Let me just, let me just, let me just, let me just, let me just, let's go on following.
The extent, yeah.
The extent that DeSantis accepted responsibility
was that he was blaming Trump for misleading him.
He's like, I'm sorry I listened to Trump.
That's not accepting responsibility.
That's just playing politics, same as usual.
So both of the main mistakes in COVID, neither of them
really gave issue any sort of apology for it.
And none of us should be sitting here fixating on it
because it was a once in a century type of crisis
that our grandchildren may never have to hear about.
So our children and grandchildren will never face such a thing
as far as this rapidly growing crisis.
What we need to actually fixate on it is who can win
and who actually has shown an ability to win.
Following, so do you give the same thing to the left?
So that the left make the mistake also?
Right.
Okay, can I jump?
Right, let me just ask a question.
One second, I should ask Chris?
Chris, because you got your hand up as well, which is unusual for you, so I have to go to you.
Right?
So, Chris, question is, Lev said something earlier.
I asked him the question, but I want to ask you it.
Lev is making the argument that DeSantis is basically his policies, his views are sold to the highest bidder.
He talked about.
cannabis Hanu, he completely took a U-turn
just to get an endorsement from Levin Trump.
So, I mean, how can you trust a guy who could be bought on every single issue, Chris?
That is not the Ron DeSantis I know. The Ron DeSantis I know, I started out by protesting at his house to get these mask mandates lifted by defying COVID orders. And I've watched DeSantis over these three years and he has come through on everything he said he would. And a lot of the Trump supporters, I get it. They don't want to talk about.
COVID. Like, it's no big deal. Move on. I get why that they want to because this is what made Ron DeSantis popular.
Why is he popular? All these guys saying, oh, he was locked down everything. First of all, Florida is nothing like South Dakota.
And Christy Noem did want to lock down. Her legislator kept her from doing it. So please, stop with St.
But how could they have Trump controlled that? That's my point. I'm saying you guys are lying on the finish. Can I finish? Please.
Try not.
All right, can I finish what I'm saying?
To admit Trump didn't have the power.
I appreciate it.
Can I finish what I'm saying?
Look, does Santa sign permanent protections against vaccine mandates forced masking?
He banned a central bank digital currency.
He signed a law against a WHO pandemic treaty.
Trump hangs out with Klaus Schwab, by the way.
He banned gain of research, gain of function research in Florida.
he signed the protection of medical conscience act so you won't have this remdesivir
CDC protocol being shoved down the throats in people's hospitals in hospitals this stuff matters
we are in the recession or the having the inflation we're having now because of Donald
Trump signing that CARES Act
Look, a lot of us were willing to go along with the two weeks to slow the spread.
I even went along with it a little bit.
But our debt went up to $28 trillion when Trump signed the CARES Act.
This is what set off everything that we have today.
And then he did the 30 days to slow the spread.
DeSantis, to try to say that he was a lockdowner is insane.
I agree with the other speaker who says it to me.
Can I finish please?
Solomon, can I have just like a compliment.
Please.
Yeah, yeah.
Let's finish.
Let's finish one.
Okay.
I'll land it.
But.
But DeSantis saved my livelihood.
And I'm not paid for him, by the way.
And I really get tired of people saying that because it's not true.
And they want to discredit me by saying that I'm paid.
Yeah, I don't even know who you are.
So I'm not insulting you.
Oh, I'm not saying you are, but people say that I'm paid by Ron DeSantis.
I'm not, but he saved my wife and I's careers.
They were trying to smother us out of business down here.
They wanted it like California in South Florida and DeSantis in September.
It took him a little while.
But after we did our target protest where I went in a target and we took off our mask to we're not going to take it by Twisted Sister, that was much of my wife's idea to do that.
And it got like 32 million views and went everywhere. Then we took the fight up to his mansion and said, look, you are saying that Florida is open everywhere, which it is. Most of Florida stayed open. Most of
of the beaches stayed open. All of DeSantis' jurisdiction stayed open, which is the whole state,
but down here they have this thing called Home Rule, where they were the Broward government and the
Miami government. By the way, it was Carlos Gomenes, who Trump endorsed for Congress, who as Miami
mayor, was the one having people arrested for going on the beach. And he's a Trump guy. Desantis stood
up to these guys and it just befuddles me that I've got people that I knew that we protested
these things together. I chased the Santas all over the state until he finally said, fine, I'll
just let him into my press conferences, whatever, saying unmasked the kids. And when he took on the
teachers unions,
and when he removed those Broward school board members,
this is another thing to Sanchez did.
He just removed a board of people overseeing the Miami highways
and put in his own board,
just like he did with Disney to run it more efficiently.
is badass he comes in yeah my favorite was the covid checkpoints on those highways please look all right
why people couldn't get into the keys i don't know he yet people couldn't get into the keys oh my god
chris i i didn't let you into anyone's rope but you really really okay okay let me land it right now
no no no i appreciate you i appreciate you i got your point i got your point no no i'm gonna come
back to you pay just let it give somebody else chance as well all right shukri go ahead uh
What do you want to say?
Yeah, thank you.
First, let me address free.
Free.
How Christian of you to label 75 million Americans cultists.
And as far as the sentence is...
No, as far as the sentence is concerned,
you have this hard on for him,
but he's married, happily married, okay?
Anyway...
Your side is a pro-L-GBC side.
Anyway...
I feel like the lone sober person in the room with 50 other drunk or drug people, is everyone really that out of touch?
I mean, seriously, how can the Maga King or the establishment puppet dissentis beat election fraud?
It's almost seriously as if the elections of 2020 and 2020 never happened.
Yeah, they're supportive.
Hold on a second. Hold on a second. Don't interrupt, please.
I mean, right now currently, 55% of likely voters believe that cheating will determine the outcome of the 24 election.
As far as the Rinal Rona...
Our RNC chair has done nothing to combat or correct these fraud in elections.
Even Trump, who to this day refused to deny election fraud in 2020,
acts and speaks as if there is no concern about fraud in 2024.
Right.
I mean, seriously, we can all clear.
Because he knows there was no fraud there.
Excuse me.
You had the mic all day long.
Let me finish my point.
Please do not interrupt me.
We can all sit here and go at it at each other.
But the fact remains that defeating election fraud and talking about it hourly should be the priority of every Republican Party, not just the establishment GOP.
I'll land there.
Thank you.
Let me go to Dr. Maria.
Go ahead, Dr. Maria.
I'm going to touch up on a couple of points because a lot of things have been said since I first
sent in my request.
Thank you for having me.
about the about fashy somebody said that he couldn't fire fashy okay well he couldn't fire him but you know that trump was the one that actually created this white house coit task force he could have actually gotten fosci out of there if he wanted to but he decided not to again because of the fact that
Trump, somebody mentioned here, he was under some type, you know, the left is going after him, the media, and he didn't want any more problems. He just wanted to follow along. That's a problem with, with Trump.
It was popular. Can I see? Can I if I, if.
Can I speak, please?
But you're ignoring the poll.
You had literally a majority of Democrats,
like 70% wanted to take away kids.
And you're saying, no.
We're a muticultus.
Right of all right.
Guys, guys, guys, let Dr. Maria finish up on.
Go ahead, Dr. Maria.
I'm going to touch up on all the points
and then you guys could debate me all you want, okay?
All right.
Try and summarize them rather than go through every point.
But yeah, just go ahead.
Sure. Okay. So as far as the vaccine goes, I haven't seen Trump say absolutely anything about, you know, there's some problems with the vaccine. We need to look at this.
Are they still giving it out in Florida? Are they still giving it out in Florida? I'm curious. Because you can use this.
Let her finish. Let her finish. Broder of the last finish, bro.
Because it's bullshit.
That's what it is.
I'm out of here.
Good luck at the cultist.
Thank you.
You took cultist.
All right.
All right.
Go ahead.
Dr. Maria.
Go ahead.
Okay.
As opposed to Desantis,
who actually got a roundtable of individuals who are experts and they all think differently.
People who thought differently from him,
people who were debating the pros and cons.
He actually did that.
He actually has...
asked for a grand jury in Florida to actually look at the vaccine and to hold the CDC
and to hold the vaccine makers responsible if they lied to the public.
He actually wants to have an investigation.
So he is at least doing something about it and Trump refuses to do absolutely anything regarding that.
Now, as well, please, let me one question about that.
I think we'll just go at one point in a time
rather than like,
a lot of people want to do that.
Oh, okay.
All right.
Sure.
Turn on my microphone
and whoever wants to debate that.
Yeah, yeah.
Let me,
one second.
Let me go to Heather.
Heather.
Heather.
Okay, can you do it in like 30 seconds?
Yeah, so I'm still trying to respond to something.
I've heard people bring up that Ron DeSantis like asked the grand jury to investigate the vaccines.
So my point is why then couldn't he also ask a grand jury to investigate the unconstitutional right on Marlago?
End point.
Right, let me go to Lisa.
Let me go to our guys, we don't need to do this, right?
Lisa, go ahead.
Everybody forgets, and Prodigal was making a really good point that everybody forgets what the public opinion was there.
For those that believe that he lost the election and like there was no interference of any kind, even media for that matter, people forget that even conservatives were saying if he would just have given in on the mask thing, if he just would have put a mask on, he would have won the election.
everybody forgets that public opinion,
even the House of Representatives,
you're acting like he signed this bill
and it was his legislation, the CARES Act.
You forget that the House overwhelmingly voted for that.
Not to mention, not to mention,
Desantis' congressional record
especially from when I worked there with him,
is abysmal.
I mean, he's considered a purple conservative.
He's not even that Republican.
Look at where all his money's coming from.
Look at the things he voted for.
Look up as his congressional record.
If you look ongovtrack.
.org.
com, okay, his ideology score is abysmal, absolutely atrocious. So you can say that like,
oh, he didn't deliver on COVID, but it's a non-sequit, or nobody, um, knew what, like,
knew how to handle that. I have Republican furthest,
right voting Republican members of Congress saying they were going to sign that bill because
they didn't want to leave their congressional districts high and dry after, you know,
so many people were shut down. Like, it was a very different atmosphere. I worked in a far-right
Republican office at the time and everybody in there, but me and one other person got vaccinated.
Like, nobody...
Everybody seemed to be afraid of the virus and his public opinion was down.
Everybody that I know said if he just would have put the mask on, if he just would have seen more sympathetic, he wouldn't have lost the election.
So I don't know where you're going with this stupid thing, but if you look at Desances' congressional record, it sucks.
And you're forgetting that the reason he's getting everything through and getting everything done down in Florida is because he's got a...
full-blown Republican legislature
that's further right than he is.
That's all.
Hey, Lee.
Can we just get a lot?
Guys, guys, guys.
One second, one second.
Let's call it a jeweler.
Is Tim Poole still having a meltdown?
First of all, first of all,
not Tim Poole that was my boss at the time.
It was Randy Weber, number one.
Is Tim still having his little Timmy with his beanie
still having meltdowns over those?
It's not relevant, Chris, Chris, Chris.
Let me just say one thing.
I offered free to come on Tim Poole's show and debate this with Gavin Wax,
but he declined because he will only do it in Twitter spaces
because he doesn't want a real audience.
I just want to put that out there.
I don't really care about Tim Poole.
What are you talking about this is a record?
Since he wanted to call me out about not debating the guy that was arrested for sexual assault.
Can I please debate since he called him, M. Free?
Can I please bring up a point brought up like a half hour ago already?
DeSantis takes money from from lobbyists, right?
True.
I believe that.
Trump said that Saudi Arabia was responsible for 9-11, and we know they killed an American,
and he got hit.
They gave a donation to get Ivanka into WEF and gave Jared $2 billion, which helped
Trump's golf course.
So who do you want your politician to take their money from?
Saudi Arabia and international entities and be granted patents from China and things like that.
Or do you want them to take from lobbyists pick?
I don't know which ones were.
Neither, Jawa.
Neither.
They shouldn't take it from neither one of them.
By the way, I'm on GovTrack right now.
DeSantis is very extremely far right on GovTrac.
No, he's not.
I haven't.
I just put it in the Jumbertron.
I'm going to put it in front.
But here's the problem that you have.
Number one, the Timpool thing.
Timpool made his position clear as to who's he.
who he's supporting in this race, that would be dumb of me to get on the Tim Pool.
He's not even doing it.
It would be you and Gavin debating it on the new show.
All right.
Well, we already did that and I already wiped the floor with him.
So we're going to keep it moving.
All right.
So let's continue real quick, though.
Let's continue real quick.
Again, you continue to make excuses for Trump, right?
There was only one person that sits behind the resolute desk at a time.
Only one.
Only one, and I demand excellence out of that person.
You don't have the same standards that I have.
I get that.
I get that.
But that man was sitting behind a resolute desk.
He's in a small club of people called President of United States.
I expect him to get it right.
And I expect if he makes a mistake, if it's the fog of war, for him to course correct very quickly.
I want results.
You seem to want to give him a pass.
He was the President of the United States.
He should have protected our freedoms.
He shouldn't have done what he did with the CARES Act.
He shouldn't have elevated Fauci.
He should have demolished Fauci.
As a matter of fact, why did DeSantis bring in Dr. Ledapo as the as a surgeon general of Florida?
Why didn't Trump have the foresight to bring somebody like that up to the federal level?
Like, why didn't he have that foresight?
Again, you guys can make all the excuses you want.
The average American is not falling for the BS anymore, man.
We want results.
They're not going to sit on Twitter spaces with us.
They're not even on Twitter.
All they care about at the end of the day was, man, that man Trump was in office.
and my business was shut down.
And my,
and the economy is screwed up
because of bills that he signed.
And we've got inflation
because of bills that he signed.
That's such bullshit.
I'm sorry.
People like you,
honest to God,
make me sick.
How can you sit there?
You're going to be okay.
It's going to be okay.
To have 10,000 people in this space.
Like, you seriously have no freaking soul to do.
You have no soul.
You have no people to sit up here and blatantly lie through your teeth.
What am I lying about, Heather?
As much as 90% of the swamp down in D.C.
For you to sit up here and spit these lies.
Let's talk fat.
What am I lying about?
Heather, you need to.
You want to talk facts.
I used some facts.
Let's talk about Tom's accomplishments and I'll go down the list.
So what did I lie about?
Since you said I have no soul, what did I lie about?
He shut down and that he was a detriment to our economy.
Absolutely.
We had the best freaking economy that we ever had under Trump before.
No, that's right.
No, that's right now.
You're starting, you're talking about the first chapter of the book and you're not reading the rest of the book.
And that's what we call foolish.
Oh my God.
So here's the problem.
You lie through your teeth.
They're like a dirty politician.
Here's the problem.
You're literally like a dirty politician.
You can try to speak over me all you want.
But he said it himself.
He said we had the best economy and then we and then I shut it down.
He said he shut it down.
We did.
People felt it.
People felt it in their 401 case.
They felt it.
like my dad when he got his care
through the VA because of Trump
allowing them to go out network
they got better care our military
our veterans that gave and risked their lives
but then he shut it down
but then he shut it down
opportunities zones that allowed for
building and distrust areas of our
you want to know what that sounds like
I mean
I mean, that's like, you guys, that's like the Dallas Cowboys are up by, that's like,
that's like the Dallas Cowboys are up by three touchdowns.
Losers.
Guess what?
You're going to lose again.
Look at it.
This is a real.
You're getting care.
Guys, there's like five people talking again.
Try your best.
I know it's tough.
Let's go for Dr.
Maria.
Go ahead.
Uh, Lisa.
I think she's the one that said about his score.
Ram DeSantis' lifetime score with American Conservative Union is 99.1%.
Dude, that's like you can't know that.
He's extremely conservative.
Okay, he's extremely conservative, all right?
So that was his lifetime score when he was in Congress.
Something else.
Descentes did not have a super majority.
when he started in 2018,
he had a regular majority in the House and Senate,
just like Trump had during his first two years.
He had a majority.
And a lot of the policies that he's talking about now
and that he's touting that he's going to be doing when he gets up there,
He didn't pass a lot of things during his first two years because first of all,
one huge mistake that he made was to put to to, uh,
endorse Paul Ryan, a speaker of the house.
We all knew he was a rhino.
We all knew he was establishment.
And he actually ended up endorsing him.
And then he listened to absolutely everything that he told him to do.
He got the tax cuts passed through, uh,
you know,
passed through the legislature.
I'm sorry, through Congress and the Senate.
However, his major promises, which was to complete the entire wall,
to pass anti-illegal immigration laws, okay, and several other major promises,
he never got it done because he allowed, you know, all the establishment,
Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, all of them, to sidetrack them because he didn't know what he was doing.
With all those things, that's a Maria.
He wasn't when he wasn't.
It wasn't.
Right.
One second.
One second.
One second again to my good dog.
Let Lisa respond because she mentioned Lisa.
God, Lisa.
So you.
There's a glitch where I just miss you again, just back on you again.
Okay.
I was trying.
It just wasn't letting.
It was just like not letting me.
Okay.
So you guys forget that A...
you're talking about things that need to be passed through Congress, through Congress.
He signs them. Yes, they're his initiatives. He lobbies for them and things like that.
But this is through Congress, right? He had opposition from his own party all over the place.
And you're right. I will give you this. He did not know what he was doing when he went in there
because he's never been a politician. Anybody that goes to Congress, right? And
anytime, like when I went as an intern, I studied politics and an Ivy League school for four years,
right? When I got there, I didn't know any, it wasn't even, it wasn't even the same as what people
taught you that it was, okay? You don't know how it works, so you actually get in the ground and
operate. He had people undermining and slow walking, all of the.
policies. He would implement policies and he would have the bureaucrats in there not doing it,
leaking stuff to the times, causing problems left and right. And so if you think that it's going to be
any better for DeSantis, who doesn't have an axe to grind, who wants to get reelected, right,
who's going to kiss everybody's ass so that he can be, oh, Mr. Whatever president, when he's not
even liked by most of the people down there anyway, you're out of your mind. Like, I don't think everybody
everybody's over here saying like oh they know how things work you don't have any idea how it works
and and you seem to conveniently forget how every single thing that he tried to do was undermined
by his own people the three letter agencies and and and unelected bureaucrats it's absolutely
ridiculous to me how selective of a memory most of you seem to have so what's different this time
the by the fact three one second and by the first two years have you not going to get thwarted the first two years have
with COVID.
If all your
last time,
how are they not going to...
We have the best economy
in the beginning half.
Then what are you still
talking about
this first two years
for?
What are you talking about?
Listen.
You just want to
change your tail
and not like the guy.
You want to be never Trumpers,
but just say so.
Because you all sound like...
Okay.
Okay, Lisa,
I'm not a never Trumper.
I voted for Trump twice.
Okay?
I actually did a lot of things
for Trump.
So, you know,
don't call me a never Trumper.
I helped him.
I did care, man.
I did so many things for Trump.
Okay, so don't call me that.
All right?
I just look back at what, you know, how Trump handled everything.
I look at his style in leadership, okay?
And I don't want to have that for the next four years.
I do not, okay?
I think that Descentus has a better leadership style than Trump does.
Okay, that that so I'm not another Trump, okay?
I don't hate the guy.
You know, I'm not going to say horrible things about him.
I admit he did some good things, all right?
But he didn't go, he didn't deliver on, you know, a lot of his really, really, really important promises.
Now, you are admitting to me by what you have just said that Trump doesn't have any leadership skills because you're basically telling you that they let him grab him.
because he allowed all these people to just let them to, you know, just, you know, follow along and just they did whatever they wanted. He had absolutely no control of his administration.
If you took a new job in a new field tomorrow, right? Would you have...
knowledge of hell everything works and what to do and all that stuff when you got in there in six months
honestly would you like let's be honest with him this is he just don't know that's talking about
and the stances hasn't gotten anything done until the last two years this man let's look at him at the
end of the term that is not true guys right once again too many people are talking free go ahead and finish your point
I mean,
it's wild to hear these people say this.
Like,
this is Burger King
or this is best buy.
Like,
man,
he didn't know what to do.
Like,
that's not a,
that's not a,
that's not a,
that's not a,
that's not a,
that's not a,
that's not like a positive thing
that this man is
inept at the job
of being president
of the United States.
It's,
Only one at what we're saying.
Let me finish what I'm saying.
It's only one at a time.
All right.
So we have somebody with executive experience Desantis who knows how to move the levers of government, man.
Like I've watched this man's interviews and he lays out specifically how he's going to accomplish certain things and how he's going to take on the bureaucratic state.
I don't think I've ever heard Trump use the term bureaucratic state.
The man is not intellectually...
curious, he doesn't know what he's doing.
He got zoined by like everybody in government.
So you want us to give him another opportunity to get zoinked again?
Like this is not a learn on the job kind of thing.
You had a shot.
You had a shot.
He already learned.
Not only that, not only that, but I was with him.
He's got it now.
Listen, Lisa, I was with him for four years, okay?
And he was more concerned about what was going on in Ukraine and how he could get them to open up an investigation on Hunter and Joe Biden that he was concerned about dealing with Congress and ever.
And that was necessary.
That's why he never got anything passed.
So obviously you don't know what you're talking about.
He had more meetings in the White House and out of the White House about that constantly on a daily basis,
calling to find out what was going on, how come they weren't doing it, sending Pence over there,
sending other administrative people over there to push on the
Zelensky and other presidents in the Ukraine to get a false investigation opened up instead
of dealing with foreign at home.
When you call it a false investigation, you lose a lot of your credibility that, Lev, when you call
it false investigation.
No, I don't know.
No, following, following, follow him, stop, stop, stop.
If you were involved in that, I said, we could talk facts because I was the one Trump sent
there to do the investigation.
Well, I'm glad you're no one.
And I was, Heather, shut up, Heather, Heather, Heather, Heather, Heather,
Heather, Heather, take a drink of the Kool-Aid and keep quiet and following.
I love the winning Kool-A.
You're a muscle-l-loseers.
Okay, drink some more Kool-Aid.
Well, let me, my time's not up.
That's why just last week when the, when you had, um,
Majorie Green and all the rest of them were talking about that they had this 1023 and that Biden was taking $5 million.
You don't hear about that anymore.
You know, why follow him?
Because I gave them the evidence about what Giuliani knew in 2019 that it was stated that there was no interaction between Zelchewski and Biden.
And there was no $5 million.
And the person they were talking about was dead in 2011.
That's why you don't even hear about that.
There's a video of.
Bill Biden
literally threatening
to withhold
a billion dollars
What are you talking about
Heather?
Watch the whole video
I'm the one
they gave the video
Heather
Heather take a deep breath
Heather you don't know
what you're talking about
You're just a two-faced liar
It's not to face, it's facts.
It's facts.
It's facts, Heather.
Facts.
We don't like to listen to you.
Lev.
We've all seen the video.
Let's follow in.
Let's follow in.
Following.
Following.
Go ahead.
We've all seen the video.
I don't know what you're talking about.
Lev.
You're trying to say that there's no,
there's no 1023.
You're saying that the,
you say that there hasn't been more,
more evidence.
Where are they?
But where are they following?
You say,
where are they?
It's in any way,
accusations, but there's nothing happening.
Okay, because Republicans first came into Congress now.
If they didn't come into Congress,
they never would have,
it never would have come out.
It's three years.
Three years there in Congress,
and they've been talking about this.
I just said,
how long have the Republicans been in power?
How long have they been in power?
Two years.
Two years.
No, no.
No, they came in in January.
That's when they came to power.
So it's like, you have to just chill out here and recognize that they first,
they first came in and had a chance to actually engage as being the head of the Oversight Committee
to actually start looking through the records that Democrats have wanted buried to remain buried forever.
So I think it's a very disingenuous thing to say it's two years.
Every one of us knows that these 1023s and the whistleblowers and Shappley coming out with,
with what's happening with the IRS and the investigations into Hunter being settled.
You're sitting here telling me that,
You actually believe that.
You're convoluting things.
You're throwing a lot of shit at the wall.
You're throwing a lot of stuff.
I'm not throwing anything at a time.
You're a lawyer.
You're a lawyer.
Take one step at a time.
Okay, so what I'm saying to is...
Okay, tell me about the 1023.
Tell me where's the facts about, you know, the 1023, where's the witnesses?
Supposedly he died.
Supposedly he ran away.
There's no...
Where the tapes, the 17 tapes they were supposed to have.
I have the facts.
I have a tape recording between Zlachevskine and Giuliani, where he tells him in black and white,
which Giuliani knew in 2019.
Okay.
Where's their facts?
That's why Raskin put it up, and that's why shut them up, and you don't hear about it anymore.
No, Raskin actually, when he came out for his press conference, he was notorious for saying that he said for misleading the press in telling them that the FBI told them that the investigation had been shut down when in fact everyone there said no, they said specifically the opposite, that it was still ongoing, at least at that point, we don't know what happened with respect to the deal that they come with.
with Hunter, where they're going to get a little slap on their wrist so they can show some fake type of accountability.
That's not what we're talking about.
We're not talking about $5 million bribe that was supposed to the Giuliani, that they had a 1023,
they had a witness, they had 17 tapes of Zlachevsky talking to Biden about a $5 million bride that he took to fire.
That stuff all came out in the past six weeks.
No, that's true.
Hey, I just sent you the video of Joe Biden threatening to withdraw the million dollars.
If he didn't fire.
Watch the whole video.
Yeah.
Why don't you go watch that?
I did watch it.
I'm the one that brought a tool.
Oh my God.
You're such a lot for anybody to.
I'm going to.
Guys, guys, guys, guys, guys.
Right. Okay, we are about to wrap up the space.
I'm sure we're going to have many sequels to this
because both sides are very passionate.
Can I end on one-
Heather?
Heather, one second.
One second, Heather.
I just want to end on one-second, Heather.
Heather, please.
So anyway, we are going to wrap up.
But before Heather interrupt me,
I was actually going to go to her
because I'm going to give each side one person
Let's keep it short.
I know it's very difficult for both sides because they love their monologues.
Within a minute, wrap up concisely, your point.
Let's go for free first for the dissenters people and then we'll go ahead for the Trump people and then we'll end it.
So free.
Please let me say something, son.
Bro, no one cares what a liberal's going to say.
No one cares what a liberal's got to say.
Let's go to free.
Free, go for it one minute.
Man, I saw Chris with his hand up, so I'm going to keep it really, really quick, and I'll give the rest of my...
No, no, it's either you are Chris, girl.
You want to do it or you want me to do it, man.
I want to step on your feet.
Man, I was going to say we could go back before, but then, Free, you've been great. Take it away, Free. And I want to say thank you, Suleiman, for hosting this space. Thank you all. Ron DeSantis saved my career. And that's why I've seen him be so successful down here. And Trump, he had his chance to come back. He had his chance to make amends for the shutdowns and everything. He's doubled down. He stands by his vaccine. That's no good for me. Free, though. Go ahead. Please give this to free.
Man, at the end of the day, it's this.
You just took the minute, bro.
You just took it.
Those games don't work on me, Chris.
What do you say?
It's all right.
Wait, wait.
Chris is like, oh, freeze.
All right, so listen,
the day, end of the day is this.
At the end of the day is this.
We have one person.
I would literally like, bro,
who do you want to give the minute to
and then you took a minute to give your own wrap up?
You know, I'll, I'll give you a last minute.
Free, the mic is all yours.
All right, listen, at the end of the day, Trump had his opportunity in office, right?
And I'm a result-based kind of guy.
At the end of the day, did he do well with COVID?
Absolutely not.
Did he win re-election?
Absolutely not.
How do we do in the elections that have come since then?
Pretty terrible.
He's supposed to be the leader of the party.
Well, you know what?
The buck stops with him.
The responsibility is with him.
He has screwed this up left and re-reacted.
Right. I'm not discounting the fact that early in his presidency, he has some good numbers.
But at the end of the day, if you're up by 14 before the half and then you lose the game by 21 points,
I don't care that you were up by 14. He's fumbled the ball. He's lost the game. And it's time to put in a new fresh quarterback.
That would be DeSantis. Why? Why? I'm going with the sports analogy.
Why? If you have an old busted down beat up quarterback, the other team knows how to get to him and he continues to fumble the ball and throw interceptions, why would you continue to put him in the game? Would that make sense? No, I don't think so. DeSantis is the man to take this country forward, to take the party forward. And I get that there are a lot of emotions on the MAGA side because a lot of you guys have built your whole entire identity around an 80-year-old man. I get that.
But it's time to let it go.
It's time to let it go.
It's time to move forward.
And I'll land my plane there.
Thanks.
All right.
I'm going to go to Heather.
Heather, before I do.
Joe has been sending me loads of DMs begging for his 30 seconds.
So go ahead, Joe.
Wrap it up.
Let's see what the liberals are going to say.
Guys, whoever the liberal attacks, that's who you should vote for.
Joe, go ahead.
Yeah, this is, mine's really quick.
They say Trump didn't know what he was doing, but then they also say that he was responsible for the best economy we've ever had.
This is why they talk Trump, people who vote for Trump talk out both sides of their mouth.
and don't realize that they contradict each other with what they're saying,
and they'll say anything to defend this man because they're in love with them.
Because it doesn't make sense.
Either he knew what he was doing and created the best economy,
or he didn't know what he was doing, and the economy was good because of what Obama did prior to Trump taking office.
It's one or the other.
It can't be both at the same time.
Thanks, so, Joe.
And let me go to Heather.
Heather.
It seems like the liberals are more afraid of Trump.
What do you think?
Go ahead.
Do your wrap up.
Well, I mean, I can understand why, right?
To a freeze point, we want to talk about football.
I've been saying for a long time, being from New England, that President Trump is like the Tom Brady of
politics, right? He's the greatest of all time. And Ron DeSantis is just some young,
semi-good quarterback that had a good season. But at the end of the day, he's no Tom Brady,
he's no Donald Trump. Donald Trump, I love him for a number of reasons, right? I'll give you one,
because I'm a constitutionalist and the Second Amendment is a
of importance to me.
When all this COVID stuff started happening,
and you had these liberal states like California and New York
that were emptying their prisons in the name of COVID,
I remember going around doing stories about how a man in New York
that murdered a woman on camera was let out while waiting
for his trial because of COVID,
because they didn't want to put them in cells
and spread the virus and blah, blah, blah, blah.
Donald Trump made the decision when New Jersey, New York, and all these liberal states were closing gun stores and ammo stores.
He declared them essential.
And Governor Murphy is one governor of many that reversed course and opened them so that while they were emptying these.
prisons into our streets.
While the country was facing all this uncertainty,
Donald Trump protected our Second Amendment right
and declared our firearm industry essential,
which it is.
It's our Second Amendment.
We have that right.
And then the other thing I'll say is being from a military family, my family fought in several wars.
My dad was deployed over 20 times.
My brother, Iraq, Afghanistan, they fought.
And this country means something to me.
So I don't care who you are when you get on these Twitter spaces and you're bold face lying about people that did what was best.
for our military men and women and kept us out of wars for four years like Donald Trump did when he brokered peace treaties like the Abraham Accords, when he kept people like Putin in his lane and out of Ukraine.
All right.
I take that personally.
So you know what?
He led him in Ukraine, Heather.
You guys are a lenders, and Trump is going to win in 2024.
I appreciate it, Heather.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Sarah, we're going to wrap up.
You're a liberal.
No one cares about your opinion, but what's your final thoughts?
I care about you, Sarah.
Come on, talk.
Let Sarah talk.
Hey, Sarah, go ahead.
We'd like to hear your thoughts on this discussion.
So, man, she's gone.
All right.
Okay, she's gone.
Okay, then, guys, thanks for joining.
I appreciate it.
Yeah.
I appreciate it. Thanks a lot.
Bye, bye, bye, guys.
Nice, Salim.
Thank you. Bye, everyone.
Thanks, Solomon.
