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Tuesday | TezDay: Tezos Community Call
Recorded: April 8, 2025 Duration: 2:01:40Space Recording
Short Summary
Tezos is gearing up for its Rio upgrade, which promises significant enhancements to network efficiency and governance. The community is also actively recognizing contributors through the Tezos Community Rewards Program, while initiatives like 'This is a Raid' are empowering artists and showcasing the vibrant growth within the Tezos ecosystem.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Hello. Hello. Are we good how we sounded are we are we yes i got the thumbs up
oh my gosh i was just in a space prior to this so i am i'm ready to go. Look at dope. First one in. Appreciate you. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome back to Tuesday, Tuesday. I'm Blangs.
And I'm here with my co-host Kryptonio. And tonight we're doing what we always love to come back to. A community call.
A community call.
This space is all about hearing from the people who are building, creating, collecting, baking, or just curious about where Tezos is heading.
If there's something you're working on, something you've seen, or something you want to talk about, this is your moment to jump in.
you want to talk about. This is your moment to jump in. We've got a few light topics we
might bring up, but really, it's all about what's on your minds tonight. So don't hesitate
to request to speak. Come up and let's get the conversation started. But first, let's
take a look at what's been going on in the Tezo space this past week.
There's a quiet movement in the Tezos art world that's been gaining real momentum.
It's called This Is A Raid, or T-I-A-R.
And no, it's not the kind of raid you're thinking of.
No chaos, no drama, just waves of support for artists, coordinated and heartfelt.
It works like this.
A group of collectors comes together, picks an artist, and all at once, they collect, post, and promote their work across X.
The result?
A sudden boost in visibility, sales, and encouragement that cuts through the noise of social media, and lifts an artist straight into the spotlight.
It's all run democratically.
A shared spreadsheet, open voting, and even a community-funded raid wallet to help
folks take part, even when funds are tight. It's a mix of generosity, enthusiasm, and mutual
recognition that's rare in any space, let alone Web3. And some of the testimonials from artists and participants in this piece, they're genuinely moving.
People talking about how this kind of support gave them a reason to keep going or reminded them that they're not alone in their creative journey.
If you're someone who collects mints or just cares about where Tezo's art is going, this one is worth reading.
It captures the best side of the community,
and it's the kind of story that makes you want to show up and contribute.
You can check it out now over at news.tezoscomments.org.
It's called This is a Raid, a community empowering Tezos artists.
Also worth noting this week, Tezos is in the promotion phase for its next upgrade, Rio.
This is the final round of voting,
where bakers decide whether it moves forward to activation.
The window runs until April 16th.
Rio includes a few notable changes.
It reroutes 10% of participation rewards to the data availability layer.
It shortens cycle times to one day,
which speeds up how quickly unstaked funds become available,
dropping from 10 days to just four.
And it tightens inactivity rules for bakers to help keep the networks stable.
A few bakers, like LaBoulange, have already voted yay publicly,
but we won't know the outcome until voting closes.
If it passes, Rio will follow Quebec as the 18th Tezos upgrade.
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Tezos runs on its people.
You make it epic.
The Tezos Community Rewards Program is here to shout out the rock stars who are building, creating, or grinding behind the scenes.
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Know someone killing it?
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Drop that hashtag and make it happen.
All right. Well, that wraps up the headlines. Now that hashtag and make it happen. All right.
Well, that wraps up the headlines.
Now we get to the good part.
Kryptonio, you ready to see what the community has been cooking up this week?
Absolutely, man.
I was just sharing the space.
Oh, yeah.
We should share the space.
Definitely.
Yeah.
That's a good idea.
You know how the spaces go.
Usually they start a little bit slow, but people start coming in,
and then we just cannot cut it off.
We go for two hours usually.
Yeah. Well, I mean, there's a lot going on right now.
The world is burning down around us.
Yeah.
True, true. How have you been man oh good good good
good how about you uh good in general yeah good um besides the weather which sucks i don't know
like uh it should be warm now but we had snow on monday which is like crazy at this time of year but yeah snow yeah that's
wild that's that's cold i'm sorry man we're back in like shorts weather where i'm at yeah yeah
we'll be there soon as well maybe in a week or two like uh i'm expecting it to change like really fast but yeah as you said plenty of stuff going on uh as you said we got a bunch of stuff to talk about
but i already see people coming in let's give them a shout out terra always here we got kevin
we got tether steady always there oh yeah teddy's good good for it man he always comes and hangs out we appreciate you brother absolutely welcome to the stage hey guys how are you all today
super fantastic but i'll get better how are you hey pretty good uh blanks my question's actually
for you um i heard i heard you in the last space but i was uh finishing up work uh if you could go over to the teslos main page right now
did you see the uh i never even knew this existed on teslos but the it says exciting news uh lizzie
app did you have you read that news yet y'all that that's pretty cool i just don't know if y'all saw
that yet yeah they just made that announcement today i was i think one of the first retweets on ei
i saw that that's pretty great what do you think yeah i i was uh i was pretty amazed because i
had came across them like once before and i saw they did like it says like they have 400 000
merchants and that they accept payments in uh bitcoin ethereum and then now on tezos and it says next up is
launch on etherlink and it says it's a payment platform built on tezos and i was like wow i was
like that's that's i i didn't even know that that's funny you you got to talk to kryptonio
about lizzie i believe he's used it oh cool how is that How is that, Kryptonio? I tried it. I mean, I tried it like a year ago.
We actually had Damian, who is like, I think the CEO of Lizzy.
We had him here on the show last March, actually.
Yeah, we interviewed him.
But I mean, you know, these payment platforms,
they're super useful, in my opinion.
I like, personally, I know I have a lot of friends that have either coffee shops or other stores that kind of have dipped their toes into crypto.
And they are always asking, like, hey, man, is there an easy way to accept payments in crypto without having 10 different wallets and stuff?
So these services are exactly that, basically.
They have a way for people to come and pay with their crypto coins and
the, uh, the shop owner receives fiat, uh, like it automatically gets, um,
converted.
So what's like super cool about that then is like, if it does it for the
merchants on like points of sale that's like uh
for tezos i guess that would be like a version of like um like amp or um uh the other ones that
built that uh that white payment device i can't think of their names if anybody knows their names
um but that's wow that's so cool guys i just i didn't know if you guys knew that so yeah that's
i don't know i'm so stoked about that. That's just so cool.
It is.
It is cool.
And we also had an integration with Ubit.
I don't know if you are familiar with Ubit.
They are also a similar payment system.
And they integrated Tezos, basically. You can just send your Tezos to your Ubit Tezos wallet.
Let's say you open an Ubit account, you send your Tezos there,
and you can pay at any store with a POS machine,
anywhere that they accept cards,
credit cards or stuff.
I need a debit or a credit card in the US ad.
I don't use Gemini.
If any of y'all use Gemini,
you know if I could give rewards in Tezos?
I'm not sure about that.
I'm not sure about that.
Gemini. Hey, I got about two minutes left two minutes left for I gotta get back in here in the office
Let me let me throw one more thing up. I'm gonna have to go into listen mode only
Check this out. I also saw something on ether link the other day
And I'm sure you guys already saw it. I'm just you know
I'm just trying to talk because you know, it's a talking Tezo space for two hours
Like you guys just said black blank gaming is the the bomb, baby. Kryptonio is the man, baby.
So, but, uh,
I thought that Tezos is building a prediction market and I was like, bro,
I was just, I was mind blown. I'm sure you guys saw that. It's,
it's about to be three 10. So I got to turn my mic off.
I'm not trying to have my boss yell at me, but Tezos Teddy loves you guys.
Oh, you're great, man.
We love you too, man.
You're amazing.
Yeah, prediction market.
So I think we are in the midst of stimulating a DeFi side of Tezos,
and we're doing it in such a way that it doesn't feel slimy or scummy.
It doesn't feel like Pump.Fun.
Unfortunately, if you look at the lines of sort of how markets move
and you see where Pump.Fun started,
you could see where it kind of maybe stunted a little action
or maybe created its own wake and its its
own defecation but you know we're we're trying to do it in a way that it won't look like that
when you look at it it you know line go up not not line go up and then way back down again
because that does that's not value we're looking to create value here. Anyway, yeah. Dude, appreciate you. Teddy, as always, thank you.
You're an amazing dude.
Big shout out to Red down there.
Thank you for coming through.
That was a great show.
Thank you for putting me on the spot.
Definitely hope I didn't trip over my words too badly.
And I hope I was adequate in answering your questions.
I used a lot of words.
So maybe the meeting gets lost you did great man i managed
to listen to half of the space i think because i drank late but uh i think you did great
well thanks man kevin welcome to the stage sir i saw that you had requested how are you yeah um hello hello yeah i'm looking it up i don't see anything with
the prediction the only thing i found was tesla's teddies not saying something about it but um i
think yeah i didn't i didn't see anything about prediction like a specific project i think there
was a tweet where uh libertes uh was asking about
you know spiko and some other projects that are about to launch on etherlink and he also mentioned
that after that you know predictions markets can come and everything and real world assets
and more real world assets and maybe that's what ted is so and thought that uhco would be about prediction markets. But Spyco is about the T-bills and what else?
Neat.
Yeah, like I think we'll have it on...
Like we need to...
For one thing, I mean like to launch something we need to link is easy.
So if there are EVM models for this stuff, you can bring one up today.
But a Mickelson-based,
a Tezos-based prediction market,
it's something we did have it with Juster.fi.
I think that shut down,
but Juster.fi that was built by BakingBad.
I think it was probably just too early for it yeah definitely it was too
early but um yeah and that happens a lot too like there are a lot of times when there's like it's a
good product but it's just too early they had a lot of good feedback for juster uh but the problem
is also i think is that um like when they shut down they uh said that it was due to like regulations or something like
local regulations or something like it wasn't just uh that uh it didn't uh create revenue or
something like that i mean they mentioned the the regulations i mean yeah i mean they do a lot of
stuff baking bad um and they often sometimes consolidate
projects and things like that i probably i think the the um yeah that was outside uh like that was
the first time they really had like a market market baking bad like that was so front-end facing um
i think they're good for that kind of stuff because it's
like they're very responsive and telegram and all that probably the most i think they're the
most responsive yeah they're very professional right yeah and and they had a good ui as well
like really slick ui for justice yeah maybe they can spring it back up again who knows
but uh but yeah i mean it again. Maybe we should ping them.
Maybe we should nudge them a little bit.
So polymarket, because there's that out there,
and maybe that's kind of clearing roads for others.
But we'll see how that goes.
We still need, we definitely need now those to bring,
to bring like we need the economic base of Tezos to flourish.
like we need the economic base of Tezos to flourish.
I'm almost done writing out my blueprints for like the next three years
of what we'll be doing on all different sides for Tezos DeFi.
Like between the coins exchange and lending.
And then once we spring that once we scale that up,
we'll have a basis to build all kinds of apps in different directions.
I think prediction markets would be the next area.
Probably not by us, but definitely we'd have the battery for that.
Otherwise, it's just really hard to really think of this as an economic base and for
liquidity to be in there and to be accessed.
You need to be able to borrow large quantities of money.
Apple Farm has been out on Etherlink.
And I still feel the same way.
It doesn't make any sense that we would have it start doing that.
But I do like that there's an experiment on that front happening somewhere that we can look and take back on.
I just wish it wasn't $3 million to start with, because then if it doesn't meet the benchmark, they're like, well, try that.
tried that don't not never going to try it again it's like no what if we just started with like
Don't not never going to try it again.
It's like, no.
thirty thousand dollars and then learn from those mistakes do it ten times better the next time
and not even have to go for three million for whatever that benchmark was like i don't know
why we do these kind of like blowout type of um experiments we don't need to do it that way so but yeah maybe it's our chicken jackie moment
what was that oh sorry you're not you're not hip to the the lingo no i'm an old man
there's this ridiculous craze right now in the movie theaters in America and Jack Black somehow made this horrible movie
and experience. There's screaming
children through the whole thing. They're screaming
things like chicken jockey
and other words
that, anyway,
it's a thing.
It's a social thing,
cultural thing.
It's a moment.
It's the unexpected
explosion and acceptance
of everybody all at one time.
I don't know.
Blank. It says liquidity
house prediction market in the tweet
that I tagged y'all in.
Let me quickly pin it up here.
It's that tweet from Libertas. By the way,
we got Libertas over here on stage. What's up? Hello, guys. Hello, hello. Great, man. Thanks for having me here. Thank you for the opportunity. Oh, I think that I sparked something about prediction markets.
DeFi Llama or Llama and I was checking you know where you know the liquidity is and blah blah blah
and then I saw a couple of platforms that I knew about Spyco but they are about real world assets
and then I saw Liquidity House as a prediction market I was just asking you know in general if
anybody knows about this team or who is behind it or if it's real because i i guess the file llama
is uh is open and decentralized so anybody can add stuff there but i guess it has some kind of
verification and i think there is an incentive to you know to to do it right so i don't think
it's a mistake so i don't know what if anybody knows about liquidity house uh otherwise in if it's you know if it's something nobody
knows i would like to know how how difficult it is for for the ethylene thing to to integrate
for example ethylene into uh this big prediction market you know kevin commented about it um
commented about it um
the one that is is is the biggest right now in in crypto this is used they use polygon i used i used
it actually a few months ago and you know the ux was really horrible like all the the process that
you have to go through to just to bet in your mba team for example is you know it's it's really
to just to bet in your nba team for example is you know it's it's really i think it's very you
know it needs a lot of improvement i think we can do and do much better and and actually ended up
sending usdt to the usdc because they gave me you know it was it was a really a mess and then to get
the money back was another mess you know i was just playing like for with 30 dollars and you know everything was
messy it was two days battling with the with the platform and in indiana i got the money and i
could do what i wanted to do but the ux is is not there at all but you know the market is demanding
this type of platforms and so i guess that's why it's very popular but you know it's not there i remember
just you you were talking about just you know it was way way better the ux these guys you know
baking bath theme is it's another level maybe they'll bring it back i'm not wow yeah i i saw
your mess i saw your messages when you you i actually also commented on it a few
months ago a few weeks ago about you know just sir and yeah they said that it was because of
regulatory problems and things like that but i don't know i think they should we should push a
little bit for that maybe they can bring it up back home that would be amazing because it was
it was really good it was really good
It was liquid everything the UX
Everything was and it was when the block times was like one minute or something like that
And it was great imagine right now that the block times are eight seconds. That would be amazing
Hey, yeah, I want to
We have a contrast to Kevin really quick.
Hey, on the DeFi thing on Etherlink, yeah, $3 million might be a little bit too much to start off with.
But if you look at the treasury and everything, and the fact that compared to Arbitrium and Solana and some other things, we're really lagging behind. And the fact that we're launching on Etherlink, which is a really hot layer two, really fast. We're going
for more real world asset plays like Spico, Midas and everything else. Putting 3 million out there
in the beginning, that's nothing that's even going to put a dent in the treasury. And to be honest
with you, they can put up sustainable money for the long term and it wouldn't even bother them.
The thing right now is you want to get utilization, which brings revenue back to Tezos.
And it also keeps a user base growing on Tezos
while they're launching Justice, Rio just met Quorum,
and while things like TezosX continue to get closer to implementation.
Right now we're like Amtrak getting replaced
by a speed bullet train in Japan because we were so
far behind we have to be like hey let's drive this puppy and now cylinders are cooking and we're
and we're moving ahead everything I'm seeing from transactions building even from what you're
building Kevin and blanks and everybody else I'm just seeing seeing win, win, win, go, go, go.
Tezos, Tezos, Tezos, Etherlink, Etherlink, Etherlink.
And I'm seeing, yeah, baby, let's keep riding this train forward.
Yeah, but the thing is, if we were going to do that, I should have prefaced it with this.
Like if we were going to do start for the first time doing an incentive program, whatever the moment, whether it was 30,000 or 30 million.
Of course, it should be on the L1,
on the Mickelson-based thing where our moat exists.
Not in a place, especially on platforms,
which are interconnected with other EVMs,
with cultivating a user base of
people who are used to just hopping
their liquidity out to wherever the incentive is.
Otherwise, when the program ends and it's a 90-day program,
they'll just move all their liquidity out.
On all fronts, it makes no sense.
It's because it was initiated.
I don't want to get into the specifics,
but it was an uninformed initiation and it's
just finishing out that idea.
But like, oh, well,
we're just going to start fresh and we're going to do it like this,
because certain someone wanted to do
just who's not around anymore.
I don't think they're going to stop it at 90 days.
I think they're going to...
No, it's on the website.
No, it's...
No, no, but they said that's season one.
They are seasons.
Yeah, they are going to continue.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, I had a conversation with Anthony today.
I had a conversation about it today.
And it's like, it's about the benchmarks.
And if it doesn't do that, they're just not going to do it again.
Yeah, but they're going to meet the benchmarks and they're going to do
receipts.
I think the benchmarks are going to be for sure.
Yeah, the benchmarks are great so far.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Don't interrupt.
Kevin, you do that all the time.
Let me get my damn thought out.
They've met the benchmarks.
They're going to have more than one season.
And you said, you know, the L1 instead of the L2, but you already know what they're pushing to use the L1 for.
I'm telling you.
The L2 is for speed and the L2 is for the cost.
And so we need to push that utilization heavy on the L2, which we're doing.
And that's a great benefit to all of us.
No, it's not. So first of all, I will tell you just confirmed that like today of a conversation
today, that they are not going to continue it if it doesn't meet the bench, the goal amounts of
what they were trying to get in, if it doesn't get as much liquidity as like by the multiple they
want to put in for the incentive. So it's not like, oh, whatever it is.
Well, that's millions, right?
Well, that's a lot.
Let's just keep going.
No, it doesn't work like that.
It's a lot of money.
Kevin, what do you think is not going to happen?
What would be your argument?
So the other thing is what we need,
like, and again, we don't have a moat with Etherlink.
We don't have a moat with it.
It was something to enable people to launch
apps on the Tesla's network without having to
rebuild their apps in the optimal way in Mickelson.
That came first before
Teslink which is the Mickelson-based L2.
That's where the moat is.
If you don't know what I mean by moat,
I mean the thing that we can defend and
is our strategic long-term secret sauce advantage.
And not the thing which looks good for a moment but is easily replaceable because, you know, we just make ourselves into a bit pipe that can be stomped over.
So that was the miscalibration of how it was positioned.
And I think some of that, especially talking to the new marketing leadership and everything, is understood now, particularly the way it's branded.
It's not connected to Tez as an ecosystem.
And it's not seen that way.
So that's the issue.
Well, that would be your opinion, man, because I think it's completely different.
So yeah, I respect your opinion anyway.
Hold on, hold on, hold on. What I'm saying, I realize it's not something
that's like the easiest thing to just come out
and like bells and whistles,
like people think I'm just a show for everything.
And so understand I am navigating those waters as I talk
and it doesn't mean anything to just be like,
well, I disagree.
It's like, I know you do.
I'm going counter to what's being like obvious.
Like that doesn't need to be said so i'm
saying the character so uh yeah i don't convince anyone anyways i don't want to convince anyone
anyway i mean right but we had we had we had stop stop we had that's not what benchmark means
you can't just be like no we had that's not benchmark means you have a goal amount and then
it's like do you reach that benchmark or do you not reach it?
You can make a lot, but that doesn't mean it's going great
by what they intended to achieve.
It looks like they're reaching it so far.
Oh, really?
What would be the argument against the development?
I think it's amazing.
What is happening on Edda Link is good, man. I mean,'s amazing. What is happening on Etherlink is good, man.
I mean, in general, I mean...
The building of apps was not something
that anyone wanted to do originally.
They didn't want to do it.
I'm the last person left in this ecosystem
who's still around,
who was part of that Etherlink DCA accelerator,
okay, in Singapore.
That was the only place you were able to get money
like that was it there was no other way you could get it so people you think in
three months they're not they're not gonna be people who any other people so
people who wanted to keep building on Tezos it was like no but you can build
on Etherlink so then they went down that route so it's like okay so they went in
that direction and so we had a couple builders from Tezos who did that and then the others came from the outside and then i i think they just kind of
waned and left but it wasn't like oh yeah we all want to build an etherlink it's like no that's
that was the only route that was available seems like it's like if you know yeah if you want to
build something that is fast that requires if you pay people money to build... No, no, no. All that is Tezos X.
What do you think everybody else did? We were behind!
You don't know what you're talking about.
So, if you have...
If you're paying people money
to build stuff, they'll do it. But that doesn't
mean it's interest in it. It just means
people are foundation farming
for grants and investments and all that
kind of stuff. I guess time
will tell anyways.
What's going on everyone.
Yeah, but...
Yeah, everybody's paid.
Even teams that have started building for the right reasons,
we have seen them leave at some point,
and we have seen teams that started just because for a grant,
you know, and then stayed on different chains.
So that's all part of the game, in my opinion.
Yeah, it's a little bit of a gamble, yeah, but it's still something, man.
I mean, for example, the argument that you said that, you know,
after the season is finished, everybody's going to move out
or everybody's going to move their liquidity away.
I don't think so.
It's, you know, black and white like that.
Yeah, it could happen, but I don't think it's 100%.
You saw this happen.
For example, it's in because for example in three months in three months if we have three months right and we get a new new daps for
example even now you know you have these midas uh uranium spike on all of this stuff built on
ethan and people get money already liquidity already there why they will move it if you have
because the incentive goes away because the incentive only there because of the incentive the incentive
well the incentives are gonna be in place if you have you know good apys and you're telling you
that's organic incentives and that takes a long time people well but you have to start for something
no billions of dollars doesn't get moved that way i want to understand your understand your point. I'm not against you and I don't want to-
I'm trying to tell you, but I keep getting interrupted.
No, no, but it's-
I'm trying to explain it.
I'm trying to explain it.
You're talking here, normal.
I'm trying to explain it.
Can you hear me?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Guys, keep in mind, guys, please keep in mind,
there is delay.
There is delay between-
Yeah, exactly, exactly.
So that's why it looks like you are talking over each other.
So let's calm down.
Let's let Kevin complete his thought.
Yeah.
So having done this since 2020 and watching the different eras of incentive farming done by individual organizations,
a VC group, which maybe bankrolled it a little bit and now being done by Tesla foundation that we've
seen this story play out again and again and it's not even just exclusive to us we just see it in
other ecosystems but it it it is big business and there's multiple platforms that even facilitate
this type of incentive farming and all that stuff because you have a lot of people like
entrepreneurs and whatnot who just need to show that kind of
vanity metric of a lot of TVL in one place so they can maybe get to the next stage.
It doesn't work when you start something out that way. It only works when you've already established
sustainable growth by itself without any incentive and then to maybe escalate it a bit, you'll do it
that way or as an add-on,
but it's certainly not something you should start and be dependent on.
That's how this program was set up.
There were a lot of things problematic with this.
But last time we did in 2021,
that was the issue with say,
I don't want to name them, but we all know where they are.
They didn't build a product first like well let's just start
with the farming and that way we can get people to come in and then we have a user base no you
don't you have people who just want to get the money and then they're like well no we're gonna
have a we're gonna have a dex and then we'll have the decks and then we'll have the i feel like one
one huge key difference between that time and this time is there are real things.
Well, then we had a moat.
And so the bleed was actually a lot slower.
The problem is now that the exit will be much more accelerated.
We actually have products available now that we didn't then.
What did we have that are comparable to what's available now?
Can I finish my thing?
You were saying the same things over and over again at this point.
Yeah, man. No, I'm not. You are on the same things over and over again at this point, Kevin. Yeah, man.
No, I'm not.
You are on repeat.
No, no.
You are on repeat, sir.
It's not cool to believe.
I'm asking you a question
to move this along
because we're getting stuck.
I'm trying to...
I was getting to the builder part.
I was answering the previous question.
What was the previous question, Kevin?
Please answer it.
I wasn't answering you.
I was answering somebody else
and then you decided to ask me
because you started saying the same things over again.
I wanted to redirect.
I'm sorry if that's not comfortable.
It's not the same thing over again.
I'm trying to continue.
Okay.
So, and then when it comes to the builders, when you have, when you build out a platform
that is compatible to build on other blockchains quite seamlessly, you don't really have much
tethering you towards the L1
on which your code actually isn't even written. Because it's a lot easier now to go over to other
L2s if you already built for another EVM L2. That happens all the time. And then you can get
cannibalized by something that's a very near rival. There are a million L2s out there.
And there's a lot of FOMO from investors who invest in these L2s because they just,
you know, they want to get in on something. So there will be more rewards and
incentives come out different foundations who are like, Hey, why don't you just build
an instance on our L2 chain? It's like, Oh, well, that's where the money is. We can't
get any money out here. Let's go over there. I didn't want to do it again. That's what
keeps happening. But if you build in Mickelson, and we've seen again, and by the way, and this
is a great thing about Tezos and how to be so optimistic about Tezlink and all that stuff is because we've seen proven over the last couple of
years, you most certainly do not need to be EVM compatible to succeed in DeFi and to have
a very strong moat in it.
We've seen that with Solana.
We've seen it with, yeah, we've seen it with SWE.
Yeah, yeah yeah exactly so uh so we have
and it's and the the the sense of tesla's nativism and pride in that and like this is a community all
our own that continually and perpetually insulates and expands people's joys and desires and
imaginations all right and when you see stuff, you want to build it here too.
Cool.
I got your point, yeah.
That's it.
I'm done.
I'm done.
And just to quickly comment on something that you said.
Absolutely, we've seen like DeFi succeed, you know, on non-EVM chains.
It's not like it's a pre-requirement, but it also doesn't exclude that if you are an
EVM, you won't succeed, right?
So I think that the EVM part was a strategic move,
basically to make it easier to attract more projects,
to attract, because like it or not, in EVM,
you have so many, so much code ready, so many projects ready.
You can easily like spin up things.
And I don't think it was a bad strategic move.
But in the end, because you also mentioned cannibalizing from L2s, which happens a lot on other chains.
And we've seen it with so many L2s.
But the way they have planned here, the whole thing with the Tezos X and the canonical rollup,
everything basically on Tezos will become NL2.
Even the layer one state is planned to migrate to NL2, basically to Tezlink,
and they will all be interconnected.
So I kind of get your point that they could Drop all those incentives on L1
You know
And it would be a different story there
Since that was a move that was done
It was also accepted by the people
Right
Maybe not by everybody but it was accepted
I don't think That we can say you you know, that it is the wrong decision per se.
But let's let Libertes and Tezostedi, maybe they want to comment as well.
No, I just wanted to finish.
And yeah, even though I understand Kevin and Kevin,
I don't want to convince you or think you're different.
I understand your argument.
I think it has some some some value
to it but i i i just disagree that's it um i guess time will tell we have three months for this
season there are new dabs coming new real world assets more platforms i i and you know as as
kryptonio said you know is is they are not exclusive, each other.
Like, you can develop Teslin at the same time, Ethelin, and in the end, they are going to be in the canonical rollout.
So if we can retain some of that user base with new use cases on Ethelin until we have Teslin ready, hopefully we can, you know, I don't think it's black and white like you know after
we finish this season with the apples or any of the of the incentives that are going to come later
everybody's going to leave i don't think so man i mean it's that's too radical in my opinion
i guess your point i mean i i get your point i i understand it but i don't share it and that's it
it's not that it's not a big and i don't want to convince anyone because i'm not a financial advisor i don't i am not a an expert on this i just you know i i just
see the market i read about it every day and and i share what i see but i don't pretend to convince
anyone uh of thinking the same way i think i think ethylene is great it's doing amazing things
i think i think ethylene is great it's doing amazing things there are very several platforms
that are real stuff like midas for example like uranium.io and spiko hopefully is going to come
soon and other platforms that are using of course they are close cross platforms i still think they
are great and i think they are going to keep a user base on tesos even though it's an evm stuff
I think they are going to keep a user base on Tezos,
even though it's an EVM stuff,
and that they are going to be able to offer these people
that are going to stay for sure new things
when Teslin comes or new dApps on Etherlink or whatever.
That's just my thinking.
That's it.
All right.
Just to quickly do a shout out, because I see down in the audience the Skarpy account and I want to just say congratulations for the launch. I just made my account today. I got an invite from Yoshi. So guys, I don't know if you've already tried it, but I really liked the UI. So shout out to Skarpy. Go check it out. If if you need an invite just post it down in the comments
we can totally send you an invite
yeah
I shot him an invite
I was curious if it would come up
I don't know if it's to him
is it Timmy?
oh what's up
what's up
what's up
I hear you guys talking about obviously some pretty
interesting subjects so just my point of view just want to i'm not really you know want to
get into this because i know you guys obviously want to talk about scurpy for a second but
i would say when you incentivize people to build on the blockchain you could just look at what
blasted right they had a crazy tvl of like 2 billion or a billion, something crazy.
That money has dissipated over time, right? To like 30 or 40 million now. Now they had crazy incentives and everyone thought Blast Gold was going to be the thing. But you know what? Like
that is a ton of firepower that new blockchains that launch have, that a chain that already exists,
even though Tezos has a crazy treasury because they have a ton of Bitcoin and Ethereum and they
can do crazy incentives.
I just think it's going to be hard to compete with new blockchains that have unlimited resources, basically, because they have unlimited coins to incentivize with.
So I think I always think that it's about the layer one and making Tezos great again, making Tezos the number one.
You know, in my opinion, it has the potential to be.
I mean, people on Solana, $100 a coin, they don't even understand that Tezos is super low fees, super fast.
It's fucking awesome.
Now it's hard to develop on.
It's not super easy like making stuff on Ethereum or Polygon, right?
There's way more documentation there.
But if you spend the time and energy on Tezos, you can make awesome applications for super cheap, like running a rolling node and stuff.
So there are actual benefits to being on Tezos that isn't talked about. And like, I know a lot
of you guys probably go to Skirpy and it's slow right now, but we plan on making all of those
things better, like speeding everything up, optimizing the site. You know, we're not even
publicly launched. It's just invite only right now. But like when it actually is fast and you're able to actually deploy your own contract on Skirpy, I have, you know, plans for the future
that I don't know if I should even get into, but there's only a couple of people in here. So I'll
talk to you guys quick. But I just think about like the ability to create your own token, just
like you have pump on, but on Tezos, I think about the ability to, um, you know, obviously right now
you could deploy your own contract, one of ones, additions, open additions, but custom contracts, a prediction market, right? We can actually write
contracts on Tezos, which I feel like there's just not a lot of people building on Tezos.
So I feel like, you know, my plan is to kind of make a super app and build out all these things
and bring people to Tezos from other blockchains and make them want to be here. So, you know,
that's my plan with it. And I know right now it's not perfect but um it will constantly get better we push upgrades like crazy
and we're really hungry for it do you say prediction markets yeah i mean that's something i look at it
can you please elaborate on that thank you well no i just see that as something that's uh
ripe for the taking and i just think tezos would make sense we take our little cut we run as a platform and we bring people to the tezos blockchain that
we're in here but right now i need to get the boat floating and working fast and competitive
with other marketplaces so we have that going and once we're doing that you know then i i really do
have some sir i repeat you say prediction markets. Elaborate on that again.
Please.
I mean, there's a lot to it.
Prediction markets.
I repeat, prediction markets.
Well, there's a lot to it because prediction markets usually rely on like a decentralized oracle that you call on.
But excuse me, I interrupted.
It's a new thing or something that you're going to integrate with Scorpio
or something like that, sir?
No, no, it's not right now.
It's just something in the future.
I see things that can exist on Tezos that I think can make a killer dap that we don't really have, I think would make a big difference.
Like I go to Tezos and it's basically all art, but there's so much more to, you know, I think Tezos' potential is just so much more.
So, yeah, things like that, but we just need need time so i just wanted to stew there for a second
and just say i like listening to you guys you guys are are all awesome and you guys all have good
takes thank you sir hey i talked to a lot of devs that they say it's easier they find it easier to
code on tesos the build on tesos than on Ethereum on EVM the tooling is very stark
conscious of course they have better tooling on for EVM but the logic and the way you build on
Tezos they like it better it depends on the person that kind of thing once you're comfortable on
Tezos you can get you can have some fun on it like my main developer likes developing on Tezos over EVM.
Yeah, exactly.
Lots of it.
And part of the... I think we just got another developer, Tezos developer up on the stage.
Martin, who made the sex token also.
Yeah, I think you are coding in Mickelson, right?
Straight in Mickelson, if I remember correctly.
Is this working?
Yes.
Oh, it's working.
Yeah.
Okay.
So this is my first time on the Twitter space.
Whoa, we got your first time.
Everybody follow Martin.
It's his first time.
The first time with sex?
I mean, with the platform you guys i guess
yeah so actually all our smart contracts are built in mickelson and i actually have to kind
of disagree with what was said because i think uh this is like a very well-supported use case.
I think most of the effort of making Tezos friendly for developers,
it's focused on Rigo and SmartP maybe.
And Mikkelson is kind of forgotten.
I mean, Mikkelsen is not easy.
What is it like?
Like 177 people in the world are actually fluent in Mikkelsen.
Isn't that about right?
Man, you are talking to the computer director.
Nobody.
You are talking to the tables.
But wasn't Rollercoaster Tycoon written completely in assembly?
Yeah, kind of
yeah so like you are talking to the outlet things is that yeah when you're coding in mickelson you have these annotations i think you can also use them in lego and as well but in mickelson you
really need them so that you can know what you're doing.
And in one of the protocols, they actually removed the annotations.
And so when I'm coding, I have to actually use all the protocol
just so that I can see what I'm doing.
And in the new protocols, the annotations are removed.
So yeah, this is like kind of strange.
It just feels like it's not supported
and like they're removing features that I need
for stuff to work.
So that's kind of strange.
But have you given that feedback
in the Tesla's developer's lag and things like that?
Yeah, I think they know it, they just don't really care about it,
because nobody's using the Strait Mickelson.
I think it's used by five people or something.
Yeah, I think that they put more focus on which languages were there,
SmartPy and...
I think Lego is the one that's like most officially supported.
Yeah, but even Lego, didn't it have like two, three different libraries or something?
Oh yeah, it has like different dialects or something and it can look like OCamero, it
can look like other stuff, but I think it's the same compiler, just like different settings.
Gotcha.
Yeah.
I do remember them saying that they want to focus on specific type of languages and to kind of narrow down,
because they had like five or six different Lego types back then.
And I do remember discontinuing some of them at some point,
if it was Lego, like take it with a grain of salt, but I think it was some of the Lego types that got discontinued.
Yeah, the Pascal one, no?
Yeah, yeah, I think it was that one right yeah but yeah in general but
personally like my uh discussing archetype yeah the archetype as well discussing with a friend
who was a coder who was like uh he didn't even knew python or anything and
he was doing c plus and c plus plus i don't remember the languages he he used to work with
and i got him into teslos and he started coding you know some smart contracts and some boats and
some different stuff and eventually he told me that it's super easy. He prefers, obviously, SmartPy more,
because Python was pretty easy for him.
But he was able to do some really complicated stuff,
mostly with boats and stuff.
But he told me that if you are a developer,
regardless of the language, you can learn to use it.
It will take just a little time, but it's not that hard
to learn a new language and start coding.
But as you mentioned earlier, I think it's the tooling that is lacking in some cases,
where EVM basically makes sense. You're doing a project and there are already so many more tools
that you can integrate and you can use uh for your project if you're
building one yeah i think that's that's right uh for evm there's like lots of stuff that you can
just take and i think that's like the biggest selling point at the link you can just take like all of your stuff that works from like another blockchain and
it just works so it's like i remember test of 2023 like the last one after arthur's keynote
the last question q a asked um i said hey a lot of developers want me to ask you about
tooling because they say that's the one thing missing from Tezo's development. Are we going to get good tooling? Are we going to get that
robust tooling? He was right about this. It's not going to matter anyway because the future
is not going to be people coding in Mickelson or Solidity. They're going to code in whatever
language they want, whatever they want to do, and it's going to compile down to Mickelson.
So charting the future and where the puck is going,
you should be looking towards that.
Now, that was even before we started to see what we've been seeing now,
which is still early, but a lot of great AI coding platforms out there.
Cursor is a big one now.
It's getting just exponentially easier and easier.
That type of division that people were thinking,
if you look at the electric capital statistics,
I'm like, how many devs do we have?
It's not going to matter at all.
People making choices on that basis,
it's no, go to whatever blockchain,
whatever L1 is the best philosophically,
in terms of the practical hard tech was like,
you like the decentralization,
you like the origin governance,
you like the full verification, go here,
don't let anything else be that barrier.
Etherlink was positioned then at
2023 as this demo to show,
hey, people have been saying,
hey, what about EVM compatibility?
People have been asking that for years.
It was demonstrated like here,
you can run an EVM thing and then it'll come
to Tezos in that way.
Then when the decision or the premise of the decision
to build it out into a full chain came to be,
the strategy that was articulated was that
this is a stepping stone to tezos
that it is more optimal to build all in michaelson in what would compile down to to make the sun in
all of that um and but in the strategy as it's been executed and i i know there are certain
reasons for this but like those were mistaken uh it and i think they're being corrected now
was that we forgot about
that second half you know like just draw people in through etherlink it's like yeah yeah but then
the tezos right and then we just didn't do that like the world of women right it's like yeah they're
on etherlink inventing stuff but it's like at one point you know they can do maybe one drop on
objects right um as opposed to what i saw like a job post for recently,
and this is another risk step.
It's like an Etherlink account manager for the art side.
It's like, that's a wasted resource.
Why do we need that?
Artists don't want to do that.
They wanted to say, well, they like Tezos.
That's their home.
We have a moat with that.
It's connected to the rest of the Tesla's economy.
I think there's so many good things.
We have all these pieces together,
but because of some misdirection that was happening
on the DeFi side of things back in late 2023,
we lost our path on that front.
But I see it getting corrected now.
And I think this will be the last,
the Apple front thing will be the last movement of that.
But those apps will, I think, will expand into tesling and to justice and all of that but we
should be seeing the l2 world as as teslink uh like the teslos michelson side of things where
our moat exists and not to something which even in just the name elevates and emphasizes ethereum
or chain link or whatever.
It sounds like it's like Chainlink's instance on Ethereum or Ethereum something with Chainlink.
And not that, you know, I mean, we need something.
No, man, I think they all sound like they run on Polygon, to be honest with you.
You know, one thing they can do, the display name on the Etherlink I should talk to a shitty office
but like, it shouldn't look
okay fine, it's at Etherlink, but
the display name at the very least should be Tezos Etherlink
damn it
put the Tezos at least in parentheses
afterwards, there's no
cue to anybody, I'll tell you, Grok
knows what Etherlink is, I ask what Etherlink
is and he immediately says it's Tezos
fortunately, Grok doesn't buy XTZ, is the thing yeah, but if etherlink is i asked what etherlink is immediately says it's tezos
grok doesn't buy xtz is the thing yeah but if anybody's asking they're getting the same answer that's pretty cool i mean let's be real martin can can you talk about the sex platform and
talk about the language but you didn't say anything about the platform and oh yeah
we've actually been building this for the last couple years. There have been some
setbacks but now it's like ready and so I wanted to get some people to go and
try it. You can actually go and try it right now. It's like we have a fully
functional preview release on GhostNet.
So if you go to swap where is in main net right now or go only ghost only goes
net but it has all the features okay okay and there is like a thing there is a faucet that
gives you like some some tokens so you can play with it and yeah you just need like a
and you just need like a TETUS wallet, like a TEMPOR wallet or something.
And for those that might not be familiar just to mention,
SeXP is basically a synthetics exchange, right?
Yeah, so it's inspired by Synthetix from Ethereum.
It's a little bit different but similar and basically it you can you can
mint synthetic assets and you can trade them and it's compared to trading on like on decks like
creeperswap and the difference is that there is no slippage because we use oracross and you get the same price
whether you are trading like a really small amount or a really big amount you always get the same
price and this is this is better because when you are trying to trade on tezos usually run
into problems with like low liquidity and it makes your trades like not profitable but if you use the art platform then
it's fine well that's not a problem if you're broke like me and you only do small trades right
yeah actually like um so one of the things that you can do is trade the synthetic assets, but actually another
thing that is also pretty big is that the routers, like 3Rout or some other routers,
they can route trades through the synthetics trading and they can get like better execution even on like normal trades so you can have like
maybe you have like xtz and you want to buy usdt for example so it can it can do a hop through
the synthetic trade like you can take xtz and trade it for like synthetic xtz which is like the same same thing so you can have like
a stable pair and then you can trade sxtz for s usd that there you have like no slippage and then
you trade susd for usdt which is also like a stable pair so you get like two times stable
slippage which is like low. And then maybe...
Is that something?
Is that...
Sorry.
Yeah.
I was going to ask, is that something that we've already
discussed with the BakingBad?
Like they will be able to integrate it?
Yeah, they will be able to integrate it.
It's easy.
I will talk to them later, but it should be super easy.
OK. And this will actually make it like a lot easier to
trade stuff on tesla because now it's like not very good i remember i tried to make some trades
in like 2021 and there was like 40 movement in the price of the asset but i only made like five percent because there was like 15 percent slippage
i think that the the biggest the biggest boost we got in terms of uh reducing slippage was uh
actually the three route router uh which which helped you know to give you better rates by breaking it down.
Yeah.
It's actually pretty good.
I just used it yesterday and the UX is pretty good on the 3Route.
Yeah.
The one thing that 3Route has been missing though, so this is what we want to do with TesX, not just have another aggregator, but the liquidity management, liquidity discovery and management.
Anytime I tell anybody to trade something,
I just say, hey, go to three route, just do it.
First thing out of my mouth.
But at the same time, they're not discovering,
hey, these are some liquidity pools you might want to add into.
Where are they? Where are they even sourced from?
There's no liquidity management,
let alone anything like for analytics
to discover what has the great APYs that you like,
oh, this is an attractive pool, that's an attractive pool.
There's some arbitrage there,
you might wanna add some liquidity.
There's none of that.
So we had, I mean, it wasn't great on the source platforms
but they were getting better.
I mean, they were learning, that's the obstacle.
They wanted to expand their individual liquidity pool and they built and we're adapting to get it done that way but that's
that's the issue with aggregators because so that that's the one it's great as a swapping tool but
liquidity management is something that's a very key key for scale because even if they don't care
scale because even if they don't care or what
hey i have a open question if anybody can uh answer this for me when i did the uh nft giveaway
the other week when i bought like 70 nfts and gave them away on ob jkt because i want to do that again soon um is there any way that somebody can add like a
cart option or suggest to a developer on there or scurpee to add like a batch or cart option where i
can like buy like 20 nfts at once or where i could add them all into a cart and then just make one
single purchase?
Oof, I've seen this being discussed in the past and I'm trying to recall if there was a solution or like I do remember that at some point we had something, we had a platform where you could do
that but I don't think... I feel like you should. Yeah but I mean if I go to Tesla's domains I I can buy a bunch at once
yeah I don't think you can do it on object though uh that's the thing uh but I think there was like
it's fine wise but I think there was like a tool to do that uh by using object but I will try to
recall it as a study yeah because like it would, because it would be awesome if you had the ability to add every single one on OBJKT to a cart,
and then at the end do a massive checkout if you're going to buy a whole bunch of art at one time.
But I don't know if that would be efficient or not for the platform because of fees.
I don't think it would make much difference.
Like, I think that the fees would accumulate anyway, you know, basically, yeah, on top of each other.
So if you bought, it's the same like when you try, if you go to object
and you try to move like 100 NFTs at one time
because they have that tool
to move, you know,
a bunch of NFTs to a different wallet,
you will see that the more you add,
the bigger the fee gets.
So I assume it would be the same thing
when you bulk buy NFTs.
All right. Thank you.
I'm also mentioning like,
because it's fine art like it never occurred
to me like that wasn't something i ever desired because it's like i think there's so much
reverence for each piece and you're only thinking about that um or like you're just trying to get
something quickly before the you know to have a cart um no i had um i had bought like it was like 30 yoshi songs and it was like
a combination from different artists of like 40 or 50 different pieces of art and nfts and then i
i did a giveaway uh for free uh just to try to promote you know tezos because i love tezos
and etherlink and all of you guys even when we argue yeah i think it would save on fees because you're it's all combined in a single transaction
um if anything so
but i know that it doesn't save when you like when you bulk move nfts uh using that tool i know that it doesn't save
because i've tried it so i don't know why it would be different you know when you're buying bulk
buying hey if any of you guys can suggest it i was just gonna say because this is my last comment
if any of you guys do um ever want to donate any pieces or anything because i'm going to try to run
it around the first week of may and i was gonna buy buy like 100 Tezos worth of art off OBJKT but I think I'll try
to buy a couple off Skirpy too to help promote them but if anybody ever wants to donate or just
collaborate with me just shoot me a message because I'm going to put it out the same way
that I put it out last time and I bought the domain of tezos teddy.tez for 40 years because i don't know why i i love tezos and
i'll just take that name to my deathbed with me but i got to get back to work but i love all of
you and i hope all you have a great day and just shoot me a dm if you want to be involved in the
in the giveaway thanks guys take care jake Jack. Thank you for coming up, man.
Thank you, man. Take care.
By the way, anybody can
suggest anything to Objects.
If you go to roadmap.object.com,
you'll
see, like, they
crowdsource user suggestions for
features and improvements and things, and
if you can get enough upvotes,
they'll review it and implement it.
Now, again, I want to say that I think I saw them mentioning it, like at some
point they're going to bring that, but you know, they already had it in the
requests, but again, I cannot recall exactly the thing.
I wanted to ask about this Skirpy, because I went there and I connected my
wallet, but then it said el account no existe o algo.
Necesitas una invitación.
Sí, necesitas una invitación para unir, déjame un poco.
En el momento que Kryptonio está haciendo la invitación para ti, me gustaría preguntarte Martín, porque realmente quiero saber sobre los asuntos sintéticos. uh because i i really want to know about these synthetic assets do you do you have any article
or something like that explaining synthetic uh assets because i i don't fully understand the
concept things articles on the blog i think from some time ago they should explain a little bit but
if you have like specific question i can try to answer
it well just just in general uh you know what are synthetics i said i mean how how is all this
i mean just explaining the whole thing like one on one do you have any article like that
basically you can take some collateral which which is the the sxp token and then you can you can lock it and against this
collateral you can mint synthetic assets and then these synthetic assets they correspond to
some real assets and so you can have like synthetic xdc for example which corresponds to like normal xdz and with the price of the xc of course yeah and there is an
oracle connected to the system that lets you trade things for the actual price and then so for example
you can just stay in the synthetics and you just like trade the same way that you would trade on
an exchange and just buy the stuff that you want that you think is going to go up so you buy it and then you sell it and you make some money
and then there's like a pretty complicated mechanism for making sure that the price of
the synthetic assets actually follows the underlying asset but basically okay so it's basically an instrument a tool to do
trading without the problem of
liquidity
we just got
the red rectangle
of death if the space
rugs in five minutes
so if the host has connection
issues a red rectangle of death will pop
on the screen and it will say
Five minutes to inform people that the space may end roughly well doesn't say that but that's what it reads to me
So anyway go on. Sorry
No, well I'm Martin for example if let's say I make a trade using
This intended assets and I made that a huge
you know uh trade how how it is i can claim it
if if they are synthetic i have to go back to the collateral or something like that i mean how's the
procedure that's what i want to know let's say i made a trade and it was profitable so you make some money and then you want to take it out. Yeah? Yeah.
So basically there will be a pair
which will be like
synthetic USD paired with
USDT.
When you make some money you can just take
the synthetic dollars and then you can
swap them for Tether.
There will be a pool, you mean?
Yeah, there will be like a pool
on Spice's Fab or Kweep's Fab or something and it will be a pool, you mean? Yeah, there will be like a pool on Spices Fub or Kuiper's Fub or something.
And it will be like S-U-S-D-U-S-D-T.
Okay, got it, got it.
And the only way to generate the synthetic assets is using the collateral or using the sex token as a collateral.
yeah exactly and then like the trading fees from from the from the trading all
Yeah, exactly.
the fees are split between the people that have minted the synthetic assets
so when when you basically want to know what the concept is the concepts the
concept is really good man I mean why it's not very popular no yeah it's I
don't know like only today which is kind of popular or it used to be, and
I think it was like after Unisfab v3 it started to be less popular because then with Unisfab
v3 you can have like concentrated liquidity and it's like more efficient.
But like in 2021 it was pretty pretty popular now it's like less popular
okay okay but i think the concept i mean i'm not an expert i don't know anything i'm just
getting to know a little bit about it but you know yeah just getting the information makes sense
the if you want to like make money on fees then in QuickPutStop, for example, you can provide
liquidity.
So in the synthetic trading, there is a different thing that you can do.
You just mint.
You take some sex tokens and you mint some synthetic assets.
And then based on how much everyone has mint minted the fees are split among all the miners
okay okay yeah i'm just watching twice basically you can you can get money from fees and then you
can also take your minted susd and you can put them in the in the susd usdt pair and then you can make like some extra money.
Cool, man. I'm just watching the platform. Man, it seems
like a Tesla's common platform. It has
like the same background as Tesla's common.
Yeah, I think
we're here first. Yeah, why do you
get it, bro? That's a
coincident. Coincidental resemblance.
Yeah, man.
It's pretty good.
All resemblances to people living or dead
is completely coincidental.
Always has been.
Always has been.
I think it's nice that you can generate
pretty nice backgrounds now with AI
so we can have more of this kind of vibe.
We need the meme like always has been.
We just both have a good taste in colors.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, cool, man.
Thank you for sharing.
I was always, you know, I had like three years in the sex group.
And yeah, I've been on, you know, I've seen silently all of the up and downs.
But I was also, you know know i'm sure that you were going
to deliver but i know that it is one one man job so i know it was going to take yeah i'm really
happy that we got this like finished because i was when do you think it's gonna be on main
when do you think it's gonna be on mainnet sir um probably like this month we we have to
launch the some like starter liquidity in the in the ss usdt pair and then after after a little bit
of time we launched the bonds oh actually the bonds are another thing the bonds are
basically a way for the are you going to release any blog post oh yeah maybe
maybe i should write a blog post yeah i mean i would encourage you to do that yeah
yeah man i would encourage you to do that it's very so so we have bonds which are a way for the protocol to purchase liquidity so instead of like having incentives and then people leave after the incentive is finished
there is like a different thing that you can do which is which is the bonds where you like buy you buy the liquidity instead of renting it
and so we will have this going on for a bit and then after there's more liquidity then we'll launch the main platform.
But it should all happen in one month or two months or a short time.
Well, best of luck for your platform. I will try it out for sure.
your problem and i will try it out thank you i appreciate it
Yeah, thank you. I appreciate it.
hey real quick wise i see you down in the audience and uh we had teddy just a little bit ago
asking about the bulk buying or batch buying nfts uh feature i do remember that it has been
requested in the past but i I was wondering, do you
recall if there is a tool,
a third-party tool, you know,
that enables you to do, like,
bulk buying,
batch buying, I don't know which is
the right term, but even
if you don't want to come up to the stage, maybe you can
just post it down in the comments for
Teddy to see. Keep putting
Y's on the spot. Always put Y's on the spot. Love you, Y's. Yeah, yeah. Let's end it in the comments for teddy to see keep putting wise on the spot always put wise on
spot love you wise yeah yeah let's end in the way you know all right i think we got some we got some
help oh we got lily and we got wise welcome welcome, welcome, ladies. Hey, fellas. Hope you're well. So,
both flying is available.
It's been, I believe,
two weeks, two to three weeks.
Right, so you have that in. Okay.
Yeah, it's been
released, and I think we made a post about it.
In fact, the giveaway,
Rob's giveaway was
and there was a demonstration as well on how to do it. In fact, the giveaway, Rob's giveaway was and there was a demonstration as well
on how to do it.
And I did that as well on my
account too.
I'll pin it up on top just in case.
Is it really easy to do?
Yeah, it's like really simple. You just see the
plus and then you just click as
many tokens as you want. And then in the end
it groups all the transactions and
you just have to kind of like action it.
We'll send the request to your wallet
and accept it.
That's fancy.
So that had to have happened
between the time Teddy tried it
and now then.
Yeah, it's been out for a while.
Well, for me a while anyway.
Well, he said he did it like a month ago.
So, you know, you said two weeks.
Probably just like you missed it.
Barely.
Like two ships passing in the night that are like totally missing each other.
Exactly.
But I'll put it up on top just for anyone who's curious and how to use it.
And anyone who wants to do the whole bulk thing.
So, it's pretty dope.
Thank you, Wise.
Once again, thank you for coming through on the clutch.
Lily, I see your hand.
Yeah, I was just going
to also mention the nft biker tools which you can yeah nft biker was the one that i was thinking yeah
you can bulk buy from a specific artist or from a specific event or from a specific hashtag so and
you can buy more than one nft like you can buy three of this say it's kevin's art
let's just say kevin has 100 artworks you could buy one of each of them or you could buy three of
this one and two of that one and one of this one so yeah it's just another tool if if you haven't
used if you haven't tried that lily do you remember which tool exactly it is because before i tried to
go to the nfc biker uh he has so many damn tools at this point i don't know which tool exactly it is because before I tried to go to the NFT biker.
He has so many damn tools at this point.
I don't know what to use for one anymore.
Trying to find,
trying to find which one is for the bulk buying,
but I couldn't.
So that's why I didn't mention it.
But since you mentioned.
Yeah.
If you go to the artist gallery,
like the gallery for the specific artists that you want,
or if you search a hashtag or if you look at
an event um you will see like any of the things that you pull up on the same screen can be bought
in bulk um in one transaction uh the the end one good thing that he has improved recently is that before, if one of those things suddenly became unavailable, let's say you were competing with other collectors for the same artwork and trying to get them quickly.
And one of them became unavailable.
Your transaction, whole entire transaction would fail and you would have to start from scratch.
And now he's made it so that if one NFT is not available, it just goes ahead and gets
the rest of them, gets whatever else was
in your shopping cart. So you can just fill
up your shopping cart at Amazon
with whatever you want.
Do it all in one transaction.
Awesome. Thank you, Lily.
And I did actually
see that tweet as well.
Oh man, we got smart
ladies on this. Yeah, we need those. I mean, we've always had Kathleen Brightman. We got smart ladies on this. Yeah, we need those.
I mean, we've always had Kathleen Brightman.
We got women.
We got women, man.
That's amazing.
But it's cool that
Object Now has that feature
as well. But I have a question for Wise.
Wise,
if the artist can still
limit, though, how many you can purchase.
Is that correct?
Yeah, so let's say you're doing, like, an open edition,
and you only want per person it's two editions.
You can absolutely do that.
Just on the open editions or on regular editions as well i think because the open edition is like
it's a sort of like a toggle sort of situation but i can't remember if it applies on fixed as well
trying to remember yeah and i know that whatever the limitations are on your site will roll over
to the NFT Biker site
because he's always done that
in the past
yeah
I'm also trying to remember
if subject also allows you to do that, to do bulk buying.
Although on subject you do have to like, first you select the artist.
I think they provide a link.
No, no, like you...
No, I think you just...
Go ahead. No, no, like, you know, I think you just you just they just provided a link on
object and it's like a UI only.
You cannot do anything.
Yeah, you cannot buy directly.
It was basically to curate your feed, like you selected the artists you want to follow
and their art would become and then you could filter it with one on ones or open
editions and stuff like that.
But I can't remember if when
you want to buy if you could like add a bunch of them and buy them all together or not no no when
you want to buy you just click and then it gives you like the object thing yeah and then send it
to send you to at least when i try like two weeks ago okay bulk buy-in, that would be, yeah.
But in any case, since now,
Object already implemented it.
Yeah.
You can do it natively.
I used, the last time I used that, you know,
long time ago, these are,
I don't know what happened with that project.
You remember the precedence of the USA project
that when I was i was trading
those uh pixelated uh it was crazy and they had this this no like a card like you can add them
in the car and buy you know bulk buying or sell you know we were they they had a very good mechanism
there man it was it was pretty good and are you talking about the potuses you know yes yes yeah the potuses
name was it was crazy bro pixel it was great dude yeah i got all of them man i i think i got all of
them you're a potus addict yeah but just just because you know the the the ui was very simple
and and everything was easy to handle you know to sell to to buy and
they have this bulk thing as well where you can use a lot then you know a few years ago it was
it was like oh this is cool now is of course this is normal but back then was it was cool
yeah you could also trade like you could like put a card for trade-ins with a specific another specific one and if somebody had it
they could accept that trade-in
yeah yeah yeah yeah
they have very cool things that's what I liked
it a lot back then of course now
everything is all of
those things are normal in
current platforms but back then it was
like very innovative
well just a reminder for everyone this is a community very innovative.
Well, just a reminder for everyone, this is a community space. Not that you need a reminder, but I'd like to reflect and say, hey,
you guys are what make this place tick. I want to invite you up here if you have
anything to share, if there's any questions, if you have any concerns.
Kevin, thank you for coming up and sharing, man. I know that was
rough. You're not here right now, but I'm speaking in your not presence, and you're passionate about this chain, man, and we feel it.
We love you for it, man.
That's why we love you.
This is a Tezos community space.
So if anyone has anything they want to share, feel free.
Raise that hand.
Get up on it.
Lily, what can I do for you?
Well, since you asked, i i was going to bed and
then i saw your space and i thought oh i should come tell you guys about the wonderful experience
i had uh with the students in cambridge not cambridge university but cambridge students
from one high school student and some community college and a couple smaller colleges that came
22 students art and
music students and i'm thursday i'm going to talk to the technology side and i've incorporated the
baking stuff we talked about before um but it was such a good thing it was supposed to be an hour
it was really close to two hours and then the kids wanted to go for coffee afterwards and they were
like the students were between the ages of 17 and 22 23 something like
that and um that then there was two professors or faculty or whatever you call them at colleges
these days that were there too and they had some really great questions in the in the way they
i mean they were just really super intelligent kids and um some of them have created tazel's wallets on the day um
so i'm looking forward hoping that some of them join us and and mint on the blockchain
well that's amazing i'm clapping you couldn't hear it but what what what what age uh those kids? The youngest one was 17.
I think the oldest was like 22, 23, around about.
Because, you know, they were, well, I mean, potentially, I guess they could be a year or two older.
But that would be my guess.
Around 20, let's say.
Well, good work, Lily.
Appreciate you spreading the word.
Doing God's work out there.
Good job. Yeah, pretty good. Good job. Yeah, pretty good. Pretty good work, Lily. Appreciate you spreading the word. Doing God's work out there. Good job.
Yeah, pretty good.
Good job.
Yeah, pretty good.
Pretty good.
Great work.
I'm looking forward to the technology students.
If they're half as smart and witty as that bunch, the art side,
then I'm going to have a lot of fun trying to recruit them
and answer their questions about web3 crypto and of course
tezos but um that's on thursday so send up good vibes on thursday because you know they always
go off and ask me technical questions that i can't answer so um that's always a challenge
a little more challenging for me but you know i But do you have in mind any questions that they had,
you know, technical like that, and maybe you couldn't answer?
Maybe we can help you right now, and then when they ask you again,
you have at least that one.
Did you write it down or something like that?
Whenever I get asked questions, well, some of it's I need Kevin for,
you know, level.
But when they ask me questions that i
think i could figure out the answers to i usually do research them and and like take notes and stuff
so i've got notes on things that kids have asked in the past or or tech teams have asked in the
past that i didn't know but i'm but it was related to the protocol or or the or the use cases or the
art or something like that.
I'm just curious about the questions, if you happen to have the questions.
So what I usually...
Or something similar.
Yeah, what I usually talk about is end-user experience
and building applications for a worldwide audience.
You know, so multilingual, using symbols that represent...
Trying to start getting people interested.
Well, I've been working on it for two years, getting people interested in using the same
symbols across, you know, several applications or most applications that were the buy symbol
always means buy and the sell symbol always means sell and the trade symbol is each trade.
It's really hard to do because people go in and they design their own symbols, you know, for each application. But so I talk a lot about building
for international audience and people that aren't English speaking. But in this case, these kids are
not even familiar with the language. You never know what they're going to ask,
but they're not even familiar with the language of Tezos.
You know, they're still learning.
A lot of them are interested in building games.
They're very interested.
We're going to talk a lot probably about roll-ups and how it works in Tezos.
But no, I don't know what they're going to ask me. You know, like you never know what they're going to, you know,
brilliant young minds are going to come up with.
Okay. you know brilliant young minds are going to come up with so okay well next time when you are with them and you if you don't have Kevin around you can write down the questions and then you know
in these spaces you can clarify for yourself as well so you learn and then you know when sometimes
when you explain things you learn also when while you explain stuff i learn a lot when i try at least
to explain things that i think i understand a little bit but yeah convince people you know
i'm talking about this technical stuff which we are you know most of them are cutting edge though
it's hard it's really hard to convince that's's why sometimes I start the conversation saying, listen, I don't convince anyone.
I don't have that power.
I'm just going to share with you some information and you do with that whatever you want.
Okay, I have a question that probably everybody in the room can answer.
I have sometimes a hard time asking things.
So the language of Tezos, is it Michelin?
Is that how you say it? Or say it to me
so I say it properly.
Mickelson.
Mikkel. Mikkel. I like a nickel.
Okay, got it. I got it.
That'll be good because that'll be fresh in my head.
Because I think I've been saying it wrong.
It's fine.
So one interesting thing
and never feel bad about mispronouncing words
or if you hear somebody mispronounce a word,
if you want us to get out of your way and be all smart and correct someone, go for it.
But anyone who is saying a word and they're saying it wrong,
they're using a word they read somewhere.
Stop judging people.
If you're saying it wrong, you read it somewhere, you read.
That means you're smarter than most people out there.
Just kudos.
Don't worry about that stuff.
Appreciate you.
Hearts, hearts, Blanc.
Let me, thank you guys for letting me tell you about, you know, that project.
It's really, whenever I get to talk to college students, it's always a fun time no matter, like, what happens in the room.
They're usually very forgiving.
Yeah, it's an amazing opportunity, actually.
Yeah, that's what I'm telling you.
I'm encouraging you to try to, you know, bring those questions here.
And then the next time you have this opportunity, which I think, you know, those opportunities where you have, you know, like open mic and you're going to talk to an audience about something new and something that you're very passionate about, but you don't know all the details. We need to be prepared for those opportunities. You know,
it happened to me before, like, you know, a few years ago when I started with this,
and I saw the potential of the blockchain and other things, but I didn't have the tools and
all the knowledge. So it was very difficult for me to communicate all the things so i had the opportunity i you know i i got i gathered some people and then the execution was
a little bit poor because you know i didn't have the the the knowledge in place to explain it i
understood and but i didn't have the the the tools to the the you know to verbalize all these things so and you know those
are opportunity lost and probably you're you're gonna misguide people and people are gonna get
discouraged or you know they go away so i think those opportunities we have to take advantage of
those opportunities and don't take it slightly and and go properly and try to get ready, get prepared. So those questions don't get, you know, away or wasted, let's say.
Yeah, I agree.
And, you know, one thing I've always thought would be a great idea is to get together with
a bunch of tech guys or girls.
Yeah, or invite people when you have these events, invite guys.
You know, there are so many people, even myself, if you text me, oh, are you going to be available maybe online, whatever, at this time or this time,
if I am available, I'm on. I mean, you know, I can help and I can be there.
So when people make those questions, you can, you know, throw it to me and then I can do it.
Or you can do it with anyone else.
So I think most people are available in this sense i mean at
least those who are passionate like us that we we want to to share this information because we know
it's important and if we have the opportunity to to share this information with people who are
interested like these college students don't lose don't don't miss this opportunity just let let us
know let these people know listen guys any of you are going to be available i'm going to to have this meeting with these guys, and it would be nice to have a technical guy there,
at least someone that can explain the terms.
That's great, I think.
Wow, that's a good idea.
I mean, most colleges are definitely going to have, you know, Internet available,
and they probably are going to have yeah just hit me up
hey liver test are you available on tuesday at this time and i will if i if i am not well
ask this guy or ask any of these guys there are many of us that are you know available most of
the time for for this type of thing and i think it's a good opportunity it's good
and I think it's a good opportunity
it's good
on that note
I will also be doing a presentation
next week at BCA College
Greece, BCA College of Athens
yeah
I think those are
great opportunities to introduce
people
we cannot miss that
those you know college students they are basically the future man like people between you know 17 and
25 they are the you know gold golden opportunities to spread the word and because they are going to
be the ones who are going to be pushing the following 10 years for whatever they get
passionate about they are going to go they are going to go hard and they have the time.
They have everything that we may not have.
If we are a little bit older, we have families and things like that.
We start having to dedicate time to other things.
But guys from 22 years old, those are the best guys to share this information and to make them understand
the future of this technology. So don't waste those opportunities. I would encourage everybody
here who is listening, if you have the opportunity, at least, well, I would talk for myself, but,
you know, if you have the opportunity to gather some people and you want to have a, you know,
a video conference or something, I'm up to it. I'm up. Anytime. Just hit me up. And if I have
the time, I will try my best to be there and try to help people with this information.
You know what I need the most help with right now, though, is to be able to continue to do this
because I have hundreds of colleges that would love to have people come and speak.
Or I don't know about video conferences, but maybe.
But the problem is I'm funded until June, self-funded until June.
And I've applied for funds from lots of different places, but I cannot get it.
So in June, at the end of June, if I don't have funding, I stop.
And I go back to work in the woods doing wildlife and conservation work 60
hours a week which means I stop doing everything I'm doing on Tezos but it's come to the point
where I'm at that I'm at that point right now there's no way I can go on past June unless I
get funding so I mean if y'all can help me with that and I don't need tons of money I you know
I'm I'm house sitting taking care of dogs to have a
free place to stay. So I'm really cutting down on the, the cost of wherever I go. Um, but these
places can't afford to pay. They, you know, I maybe get a hundred dollars, maybe get nothing.
I've never gotten over $150 for speaking engagement, but you know, it's like, um,
I mean, I'd love to keep doing it, but that's my, that's my hurdle right now. But, you know, it's like, I mean, I'd love to keep doing it,
but that's my hurdle right now.
You know, if you guys have ideas,
I'm just, that's the part that's been eluding me.
Yeah, liquidity ideas are hard.
Liquidity is hard, yeah, I know.
I understand you, yeah.
Well, who knows? Well well from here to june
maybe i don't know these guys from tesiscom and kriptonio maybe if you can do this virtual
virtual uh encounters uh that would be amazing yeah these aren't virtual i'm actually in uk
like i was just in holland and before that i was in um was in New England and I'm next going to Austin,
Texas. I'm actually physically going to these places and interacting with these people. I'm
not saying there's anything wrong with video conferences but I am saying that you can make
a way more impact to go in person and then the kids want you to go have coffee with them after
and you're just having a conversation and being a real person to them it's it it makes all the difference in the world
and it's not just kids I've talked to baby boomers and companies and all kinds of things but
there's just this hard line right now of June and I've applied for Tesla's foundation grant I have
not heard anything and it's been over probably eight weeks now. I haven't heard a thing
from them. And it's just, you know,
I don't know. I don't know,
guys. It seems like...
The thing is, I guess
they have a lot of priorities and things like
that, you know. Eterling is
a big thing and there are many...
I don't know...
Lily?
How is the... No? Sorry, sorry.
No, no, go ahead.
Go ahead, go ahead.
I think the Texas Foundation changed
some time ago
the way they
evaluate the proposals and they only
do it like once a quarter now.
Yeah.
So maybe they didn't have time to look at it.
I think the grants are happening like once per quarter.
But I just wanted to quickly ask Lily.
Lily, you said you are in the UK now?
Yes.
Yeah, I am in.
I'm just in New Market, which is close to Cambridge, because I got, like I said, I-sitting in order to be, you know, I don't have to pay for housing wherever I go.
So, you know, I take care of a couple dogs.
It works out great.
Yeah.
I was going to ask if you went at all to the Trill Tech offices or anything.
No, are they in London?
Because the problem is $50 to to london from here to get
to get to london and back it's not in my budget because it already cost me triple to get here
from holland that they told me it was going to cause so i'm like besides going to cambridge for
the speeches and getting you know i have a return ticket there. I'm not really able to go around. I mean, honestly, the budget's that tight.
It's, it's.
I see.
I got a question for, for Lily.
Um, didn't Tezos on the main Tezos page, um, I'm not near my computer right now, so I
can't see it.
Um, didn't they, um, just come up with a program that she could sign up for, um, for
people to be influencers or
to be helping voices to Tezos
where they could get some sort of
Trailblazers I signed up for
the day it came out
I just wanted to make sure
that you knew about that
I appreciate that because I'm looking
for any
I don't know
if somebody could even get me.
Listen if somebody could give me a couple of.
Actual paid speaking engagements.
While I'm in those areas.
Even that would.
Might be enough.
Because it's just a travel to get there.
I've got to pay for food.
You know it's.
No it's hardly.
It's so little compared.
I need $1,200 a month,
and that pays my bills back home and everything.
Oh, my God.
It's so little.
Yeah, I can help you with a video conference.
If you set a video conference somehow
and you need help with a technical side,
I think a lot of guys here will help you.
And count me in for that.
But, gosh, I need liquidity no no i i'm not saying
any individual i'm just asking for ideas because i figure no yeah yeah no i got it i got it it's
hard it's hard yeah it carries you're telling like 50 dollars to go to and buy train you mean
the poop i can't no that's just a train. To get from New Market to Cambridge
is $9.
$8.60
euro.
Just to get from
New Market to
Cambridge.
To get from Cambridge
to London,
where most of the inflation
is $50. To get from Cambridge to London and back. If I wanted to come home and sleep at night, where most of the inflation is $50 to get from Cambridge to London and back.
Like, so if I wanted to come home and sleep at night where I have to feed the dogs and everything, I need to get back here, right?
I know they have an event going on in London on the 10th for Tezos.
I'd love to go, but that 50 bucks is stopping me.
It's so crazy.
And if I go back to work in my other job,
I will be working in the field, in the woods. I will not be able to do my shows or anything that
Tess Town's doing. It'll all have to stop. And I don't want to do that. But financially,
you're like, at some point you have to draw a line, right? So June is my line if I don't figure
this out, guys. And I'm open to a lot of suggestions, but I just haven't.
It seems so crazy to me because, you know, I think I ought to be able to figure out $1,250 a month, right?
I should be able to figure that out.
Like, I just cannot.
Not doing this, not full time for Test Town.
I cannot, like, figure it out to be on the road doing this.
And, you know.
A bicycle, Lily.
A bicycle.
I'm riding a bicycle.
You saved the 50.
I can't ride all the way to London, though.
I'm not that.
I'm 55 years old.
But I'm riding a bicycle.
Literally been riding a bicycle around to get.
Like, how do you think I'm getting to Newmarket?
It's a 25-minute bicycle ride.
That's how I'm getting there, to the train station
in the first place.
But that's about a sport bike.
Well, it sounds like you're working hard, Lily.
Keep it up.
I'm sure opportunity will show.
It's usually these moments in life, unfortunately,
that push the really big opportunities In front of us
Where we're comfortable we aren't looking
So I hate
You have to go through this hun
And I'm sending you good vibes
Don't hate that I have to
I don't mean to be
Like I love what I'm doing
I just want to be able to keep doing it
And I'm trying to figure out
You know it's like one of those things where you're like
How can I keep doing what I'm doing right now And And the thing is, Blanks, it gets to the point
where you feel like nobody fucking wants you to keep doing the things you're doing because if
they did, they'd figure it out. The thing is, I think we, we, we forget that about only there's,
well, for a lot of people, this might not be true, but for me, at least there were only two people in
my corner when I was born. Those were my, my parents. And then after that, they said lot of people, this might not be true. But for me, at least, there were only two people in my corner when I was born.
Those were my parents.
And then after that, they said, grow up.
You're the only one in your corner.
We got to take care of ourselves at some point.
We can't take care of you.
If I can ask a question.
Yeah, Red.
I've been trying to get you up here.
I'm sorry, Red.
You keep getting kicked down.
How are you, Red?
Thank you for earlier.
Red, Red. You did not kick me off whatsoever.
I just rushed.
Red, are you single?
Are you asking for a friend?
Asking for a friend.
Are you single, Libertas?
Just asking for a friend.
That was not my question, but you're kidding.
All right, great question.
Thanks, Red, for coming up.
All right, move it on.
No, no, no, no.
It was for Lily.
It's just Libertas.
He likes to, you know, he's a bit of a troll, but he's a fun troll and a harmless one.
My question for you, because maybe I missed something and it was glitching out.
When you're going to these things, are you backpacking on top of other people's events where they're asking you to speak?
people's events where they're asking you to speak. I'm just trying to understand.
I'm just trying to understand.
Sometimes I speak at big events like F Denver or F Toronto. And I've been invited to all those
things. I've been invited to speak at NFT NYC, but you have to also get where you can. So it all has
to line up. So I have to have the speaking and they're not paying for those things, honey.
F Denver people don't don't pay anything. You get free tickets to their event and they give you some
food which is really nice of them but they don't pay you anything but the colleges sometimes do
pay you but they're only paying like a hundred to hundred fifty dollars max I've only got the
hundred and fifty a couple times so I think once maybe even, but, um, they're not paying a lot. It's not enough to
like cover everything. You know what I mean? So I'm house sitting. So I, I'm, I take care of
people's dogs. So it has to all line up that I can find a house sitting job at the same place
where I can find a speaking engagement where there's an actual opportunity to tell people
about Tezos that, you know, you could feel like you're, you're making some kind of progress.
So if it doesn't all line up, so you end up like uh i was in new england because there was a baby boomer things they were having
conferences for baby boomers to to teach them um online security web 3 crypto stuff and i got to
go speak at some of those and they did pay a hundred dollars each conference. And I did three, um, up in that region while I was there, but you're like,
that's $300 for everything for the month, you know,
and I'm writing books, but the books aren't selling. So,
so I don't know, honey. I'm in test town pays nothing.
So I'm just trying to figure out like,
there's something missing in the whole system, you know, and it's got to happen.
And I just don't know where it goes.
Well, I think part of it, and I'm not trying to say this to be mean, I'm trying to say this to help.
Like, you are in situations sometimes where people that run these events, they know they can get away with paying you next to nothing.
So they do.
And I'm not trying to say that to like put
down people who organize events. For instance, I'm going to, I'm going to just put John on the
spot, even though he can't talk right now. When John and I organize events, we pay all our freaking
panelists, man. Like this shit's not for free. You know, you're taking your time, you're this,
you're that, you're whatever. But you know, when I realized that a lot of the things where people should be paying people more for events, or they're just not paying them enough, I think
that's part of the reason why I've continued to want to be involved in event production,
because then you don't, you don't blow all the money that you're given from the sponsors,
you pocket some of that, and you obviously want to profit. But on the same token, it's kind of it's shitty for people to be, you know, taking advantage of
people like you that are obviously, you know, experts at what they're talking about and whatnot.
So, I mean, I guess maybe it's not the best solution to say start getting involved in the
event production, but only if you wanted to. And then to just, you know, be,
you know, hopefully it's with people that you vibe with, because when you're supporting another,
you know, when you're supporting another team, it's helpful because you get to learn from them
and you get access to their resources and their experience. And I would say that John and I,
we learned quite a bit from doing one of
our own events from the ground up, but we learned quite a bit from working with other people on
their events as well. And I don't know if this helps, but it just depends on if that's a route
that you want to go. No, Test Town has put on, I'm the founder and CEO of Test Town, just if you didn't know.
And I presume you're talking about John of Tezos.
Hi, John.
Of course, John.
We love John.
Yeah, of course.
We have put on our own events, definitely.
And in fact, we just had a little meetup here that was very cost efficient because
it was, you know, it was a karaoke at a bar and everybody just paid for their own whatever. But
yeah, so, but we had a month long series of events in Indonesia that I paid out of my own pocket pocket the last two well the first year um with Tezos um shoot I can't think of the name there
was a group another group working with us I can't think of their name right now um but then last
last year we were teamed up with Meta Rupa which is a Indonesian um community on Tezos but
they I paid for everything but I had a job, you know, then too.
Now I'm traveling so much that I don't, I'm, this is my job, but yeah, what I need, I think,
is somebody that can book me for these events, like, and bargain for pay, because I suck at that.
I suck at getting, getting somebody to pay me for the job.
So yeah, that would probably be a good thing.
But we do put on our own events too.
Yes, and Tesla's Commons has been a part of that.
In Indonesia last year, they paid for the beach party.
So we had galleries and we had classes and workshops and we had college.
We taught at the seminars at colleges and we had a beach party and a couple other fun events and Tezos
Commons was involved because they did the, they paid for the beach party and it was spectacular.
Well, there we go. And one other little thing I might add, and this is obviously up to you. And I, I'm, I love that you're the founder of Teztown and everything. Um, a friend of mine,
a mutual friend of mine of John and I's, you know, when she works for a guy that he does a lot of
things, but he, when he throws events, he says, Oh, I'll throw the
event. And so instead of when, what he does is he actually puts that money into his one in one or
multiple of his charities. Um, so that way he's avoiding paying taxes on it. I think that's
interesting, but I mean, no financial advice, you know, I'm just saying that's something he does.
And again, I hope I'm being helpful and if I'm not
at least I tried no I mean everything everything every time people give me ideas I run them through
the process but we made no money on our events we we we paid for the events so we didn't make
money off them so we're doing it wrong. We're just doing it wrong, I guess.
Just to mention that, uh, even though we have kind of, um,
reduced, let's say the events that are happening the last year or the last couple of months, we, we still do, uh, fund in events that are organized as those events, obviously.
So if you plan to do any other events lately of course you know
you can apply and uh yeah if i have like an event event then they consider that but if it's a meetup
the only way i've been turned down for meetups because they said i have to do the meetup in my
hometown on a consistent basis in order to get funding from Tezos Commons.
So the meetup here in... So that was, I think, about the meetups.
Back in the day, we used to kind of have like charters, you know, in specific locations
where we wanted to have like recurring meetups.
But especially during the bear market, that wasn't easy to do.
So we still do fund individual meetups around the world from time to time,
like we did, obviously, like you mentioned last year with a beach party.
So that's what I want to say, that we haven't cut the meetups off.
But obviously, especially with the sentiment being low all over the market
they meant the events and the meetups has been less but also as it was mentioned earlier the
trailblazers program also will have some i think will have some tasks around meetups and stuff so
we will have to wait and see that as well but yeah yeah, yeah. I mean, I also, for example, you know,
I told you before that I will be doing a presentation
at the BCA College for the BCA College next week.
But I will be doing it online.
Like, it's not easy to travel all over the world,
you know, to wherever you are requested to speak.
Not just from the funding side, but also from the practical side, I think.
So doing some of those presentations virtually is also another solution,
you know, so to make it easier.
I 100% do virtual as well, Kryptonio, just so you know.
Yeah, 100% do.
Yeah, and I know that you do a lot of space and everything.
But yeah.
And again, I don't know when you applied, you know,
for Tezos Foundation and stuff,
but you said that recently you applied
and you're waiting for a reply back.
But if you've been, like, if you've been,
if your application has been rejected in the past,
it doesn't mean that it couldn't be accepted in the future.
So the only thing I would say is maybe you should try again.
But as far as I heard, you already did.
So let's see how that goes.
I haven't applied for anything at Tezos Commons recently.
No, no, Tezos Foundation, you said.
Yeah, Tezos Foundation.
About eight weeks ago, I haven't heard a thing.
So it says in review when I looked.
Yeah, two days ago I looked.
So we'll see.
I think the process has changed to once per quarter that they do the fundings and stuff, I think.
So they did an announcement back in the day about changing the process of the grants process.
of the grants process.
I will try to find that
I will try to find that tweet, actually.
tweet, actually.
But, yeah.
And that means they should be getting to the quarter
soon, and hopefully we'll hear
something before June, and then it'll all work out.
That would be great.
Yeah, I really
don't know what the
timelines are.
I'm not part of this foundation,
but if they're doing it
per quarter, well, the first quarter
finished, so maybe
soon you will get some news.
We'll see.
Anyways,
I wasn't here to
complain.
Sometimes if you tell people what you're
doing and what you need to keep doing it,
it helps, and sometimes it doesn't.
But honestly, if there's anybody that can help me negotiate getting better pay for these speaking engagements, that would help too.
You know, getting $200 instead of $100 would cover transportation or, you know, some other thing.
So it's not, you know, so tight.
But no, I appreciate everybody's advice and help really.
And if anybody gets an idea in your head later, please DM me.
My DMs are open.
Oh, by the way, I don't know if you've tried that in the past, but it just hit me.
There is also the Tezos ecosystem DAO.
I don't know if you have considered applying to that.
Tezos ecosystem DAO?
Yes.
That's a community-driven DAO
where they vote to support different initiatives
that apply to the DAO.
There's been a couple different things
that have made it through so far.
It's another opportunity for the community to get involved to fund things.
Yeah, and I think there are like 40k XTZ in the treasury of that DAO right now.
And you can apply, basically, post your proposal there.
And you get feedback from the community, it gets
injected and then the community can vote with
their ecstasy basically
either to
approve it or not.
If one of
you guys could DM me information
on that, I'd appreciate it.
I'll try to find an article
we've written in the past about it
to pin it up here and down in the comments.
Maybe somebody else would like to apply for that as well.
So give me a second to find it.
I appreciate that, Kryptonio.
Yeah.
Like the Spotlight article from August,
maybe?
I don't know.
Send me the link and I can.
You wrote it.
I wrote it.
Yeah,
you wrote it.
Then it might be that.
Yeah.
It might be that one.
Yeah.
I've written many articles.
So I don't know which one.
I see ecosystem Dow 2.0 empowering the tesla's community with
tes based voting that should be yeah yeah that's a one okay yeah i'm gonna send it i'm gonna send
it to you because i'm on my phone on this one and i don't know how to make it work on that
i found it on my pc that's not helpful helpful. So there, I sent the telegrams
how I'll pass it through.
Thank you, sir.
That one, right?
While they're saying their things,
thanks for your help, Libre.
I have to leave, guys. Thank you.
Thank you for joining us. Have a good one.
Be safe.
Watch out for those single
ladies.
Watch out for
Red here.
Take care, guys.
Thank you very much for everything.
Bye-bye.
Oh, by the way, because we're coming close
to the two-hour mark,
and I suppose we will be closing soon,
I did want to mention that I have pinned up in the space also
a tweet from Malicious Ship about the Taya rave party
that they're organizing.
It will be on Cyber.
It will be virtual, but it is a rave party nevertheless.
So definitely check it out probably avoid if you have epilepsy and they also have like a i think a an open mint until
april 14th or something so like a call open call or something and now my pin my pin tweets are
glitched and i cannot even scroll to find that tweet imagine
that yeah sorry lily go ahead no i was gonna say i know a little bit about that because malicious
came to the test town space earlier and the open call is they prefer if you do something that has
to do with the idea of a rave like a party a celebration but they're they said it's pretty broad and they would
like mints they want larger mints uh at a lower price rather than like a one of one at a 100 tes
or something they would rather have a you know and they said um since they don't have open edition
on tia yet um and and they want you to of course course, submit on Tia, however you say it. But she said
you can mint like a thousand and then burn them, but burning is not required. So collectors should
keep in mind that the artists are not required to burn if they do a large edition. But that's
basically what they said in RSpace earlier.
Awesome. Thank you for the details, Lily.
And I also have pinned and posted down in the comments the link to the article about the ecosystem DAO.
I also posted the link to the article, but I couldn't get it to pin because my pins are broken you gave me the disease whatever it is well what a surprise access glitching and what is it after two hours you're not allowed to have like a functioning space anymore is that
what it is sometimes you cannot have a functioning space right from the get-go so yeah you get like
15 minutes or three minutes and then it's like that was the best space ever thank you for joining everyone we appreciate you yeah but
but it's still the best thing we get like uh the best place to do spaces right oh i love it this
is a great little place i mean i couldn't imagine trying to pull this off on discord like trying to
get everybody to like sit down and be in one room for like 15 minutes let alone two hours
no this is beautiful.
Especially to, I don't know, it feels
kind of like radio. It feels like old school
talk radio, but I get to participate
so I like it better.
So should I put music on?
I don't know.
I don't know. I'd rather
be dancing with a top hat and a cane
if we're going to have that kind of performance going on.
Dinesha said that,
I thought of the song One Singular Sensation, you know?
Yep, exactly.
You knew it.
Yep, yep.
And then, of course, like my mic.
Every little step she takes.
I couldn't resist.
Oh, God.
We're going show tunes now, folks.
Last five minutes of every Tess Space
turns into Broadway. Bring it.
Anyway, two hours is a long time
for me. I'm not going to lie.
I don't know where you guys stand, but I do appreciate y'all
hanging with me this whole time. This has been an
amazing call. It got heated.
A lot of emotion. That just shows passion.
It shows there's love for this place, these people, and everything that we want to see for the future
and how we want to protect it and make sure nobody else screws this thing up.
It's kind of like a child, huh?
That we're all raising together.
Thing is, it doesn't want to watch us burn like some of our children.
But anyway, I think that's going to wrap up tonight's Tuesday Test Day call.
Hey, thanks for everyone who came up and shared.
These conversations are what keep things moving and grounded in real people doing real work.
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