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Tuesday | TezDay: Tezos Community Call
Recorded: March 25, 2025 Duration: 1:38:22Space Recording
Short Summary
The discussion highlights the launch of Hanji.io, an upcoming token launch for Apple Farm, and the Rio proposal's governance process, which includes significant protocol upgrades and innovations like reduced cycle times and a data availability layer. These developments, alongside incentives for bakers and global node distribution, underscore the network's growth and scalability.
Full Transcription
All right. That's fun.
All right. So let's resend this space out.
Let's see here. Quote, we are back, baby.
We are back, baby.
Yes, sir. Okay, let's retweet the rumor real quick.
Yep. Retweeted, quoted.
Appreciate you coming back.
And be always on top. Rob, welcome, welcome.
Tara, welcome back, Fendell.
Again, welcome Retro.
Retro, those are some impressive little helmets that you are pumping out.
You are manifesting some weird stuff into reality.
Quit bringing...
No, don't quit bringing the 80s.
Bring the 80s in.
Retro, 80s, neon, and we need more synth wave.
We need way more of that.
So Fendl, we're going to need you to push some more beats.
Need you to push...
More, yeah, you're going to have,
it can just be frequency modulation.
It could be sampled.
I mean, if you want to sample me saying more beats
and make that beats, that works too, you know,
I don't care because you're the man.
I appreciate all of you here, everyone, yeah.
Welcome back, welcome back.
Yeah, I mean, you know, AJ, if you don't like the discussion about motorcycles, you could tell us, bro.
Like, yeah, man, we'll stop talking about motorcycles, especially Vespas.
I didn't know you had this thing against Vespas, bro.
Like, wow.
Well, Chris, I'm glad that you survived.
Thank you for coming back.
I'm glad you survived riding on the back of a Vespa because...
I don't even think like a grown man is safe riding in one as driver,
and you being the second on Vespa is showing courage and, well,
also resilience and trust, because I'll be honest with you, Ben.
I don't know if I could trust somebody to drive me around on a Vespa,
specifically Vespa, maybe like a bigger motorcycle or something heavier,
but I don't know.
I just recently actually upgraded my license, my motorbike license.
Oh, so you can now legally drive Vespas.
I can legally drive any motorcycle now.
So, yeah, it's the A, which is, I think, the biggest, I don't know.
But we have a weird law here, which is not available anymore.
But whoever got a license for 125CC before 2012, which is me,
can just go pay like an upgrade and have it like to upgrade it to A, which is like unlimited power.
Which is weird. And obviously after 2012 they stopped that.
And now you have to give extra lessons, like take extra lessons and stuff.
You mean, you actually have to know how to drive in order to get the light, though, sorry.
I mean, you learn how to drive with just a smaller bike with 125cc, right?
But for the bigger bikes, back in the day, yeah, you could just after two years,
once you get your license, two years later, you could go and upgrade it without taking new classes.
But that's not available anymore.
Now you have to actually take some more classes for the bigger powered motorbikes.
Yeah, so I just went to get my international driving license.
So I don't know if you guys carry them, but in the UK there's three different international driving licenses, depending on which treaty has been signed.
So there's one in 1926, one in 1949, and I think the other one's 1960 something.
And in theory, you need the 1949 one to drive in America in certain states.
Because I'm coming to the US a couple of weeks, I thought I'd better get one.
Anyway, the guy that stamped this document, it's an ancient document.
I mean, it's written, designed in 1949, and they have a little stamp behind the counter,
and he's stamped every possible class.
He's got it wrong.
So according to that license, I can drive heavy goods vehicles, you know, anything I want in America.
So here I come.
Here I come.
So that's how you get it.
OK, now you get your clueing me in.
That's nice.
Yeah, I don't think it will actually work.
But I mean, unfortunately, the only reason for a brick to carry one is if there is a problem.
Because if there is a problem and you get pulled over, it's better that you have international
license rather than not have it.
But in Europe, it's ridiculous at one point.
When we were going through Brexit, it was recommended to get all the ones you needed.
And to drive across Europe, if you want to go to somewhere like Lechgenstein, maybe even Switzerland, you need the 1926 licence.
And if you drive through Spain and France, you need the 1949.
And I think there's somewhere that's in the 1969 Treaty.
So you end up having to carry these paper documents that can be very easily forged.
They're all handwritten and stamped.
Yeah.
Anyway, I've got the one from...
That sounds charming.
Do you have it like in a nice leather-bound book with like an elastic band so it looks official?
Like you're in a Vienna Jones movie?
Certainly not.
Certainly not.
I don't really like the inconvenience because they only last for two years.
So, you know...
Oh, I would be obnoxious.
I would invest in those two years.
I would have my leather-bound book.
Like, you want to see my papers?
I'd start, like, you want to my papers?
Aaron, you want to my papers?
I bet you wouldn't, Bleng.
So I'll tell you why.
It's one of the few things where you have to go into a office to do.
And being the British post office,
they've lost the license to give out these driving licenses.
So the only place you can get them is...
a very weird parcel shop.
There aren't many of them.
So you have to, first of all, you have to travel there.
Then they have to have the forms.
And, yeah, they don't always have the forms.
So, yeah, in practice, you probably wouldn't really.
You have no idea how American that all sounds.
It's very efficient for something that, you know, you might need in a, once in a blue moon.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
For us people, the common people, the ones who don't pay for like, you know, front of line service or top of pile service, which is always something you could do, which I didn't know.
But us normal people, yeah, we get shuffled to the bottom and we don't have our form.
And we have to come up with it.
Sometimes you have to come up with 27 different forms at a 24-hour period.
Certain people here know what I'm talking about.
But it's rough.
Yeah.
So yes, I think, unfortunately, for me and not for him, I would totally have the leather-bound book.
But I'm a little Andy Kaufman that way, I guess.
Andy Kaufman was always his personal joke on the world, right?
Not the other way around.
Yeah.
Blanks, would you be able to drive in, let's say, UK in London?
Oh, no, not legally.
I mean, I would be able to drive there.
Not legally.
No, I'm not to mean legally. I mean, like, would you be able to drive? I don't know, because I had...
Oh, yeah. Yeah, man, I've played enough video games, simulators, man. Heck yeah.
I had an issue just as a pedestrian there, you know, with the drives, with the cars driving on the other side of the road.
So, yeah, so, so I was not used to it.
I've lived in, I've lived in Prague for a couple of years previously, so...
When I was doing that and travelling back and forth, I got used to looking the other way.
So I've always been able to drive on the other side of the road.
So if I go to France in my car, absolutely fine.
It takes a bit of getting used to.
But the problem I had was when I switched sides in the car.
So I drove up to Berlin in a Mercedes A class once from Prague.
And I think I hit the ring there about four times.
Fortunately, I had fully comprehensive, no blame insurance.
But it was difficult.
And it took me a little while to get used to the positioning on the road.
So if you can just imagine that you're the other side of the car,
and now where you'd normally be sitting is on the left of the lane,
rather than the right of the lane, you can get that into your head, then...
you've won. Also, if you swap sides, just get an automatic because then you don't have to worry about looking for the gear stick.
That's what I was going to say. Like, your brain is wired to, you know, your hand for the shifting gears for the, for the, uh,
how the car feels, you know, like how big it is and everything.
You are funny saying that about the shifter.
I have learned manual on my left hand.
I learned how to drive manual with my left hand.
Yes.
And then I drove manual with my right hand.
It's weird how it translates.
I'm left-handed, just so you know.
So I see the world opposite as 90% of the world, unfortunately.
It's been forced out of most of us.
That's really interesting. I never thought about that aspect of driving on the other side of the car because I drive a stick shift.
And just this morning, I was sitting here daydreaming and processing the difference in having the clutch on my hand for a motorcycle versus the clutch at my foot for a car.
But I can't eat like, yeah, that's a whole different thing.
Anyway, how about Hanji?
I just pulled it up and I'm checking it out and just placed my first limit order.
Look at this guy trying to put us back on topic.
We are not done talking about, yeah, Hanji, Hanji, man, Hanji.
Yeah, I try to go.
By the way, I like the UI.
It really feels like a centralized exchange, you know?
The purse and the buy and sell buttons and everything, the order book, really, really good looking.
But yeah, as I said, I want to look into the vaults and, you know, see if they're going to launch liquidity tokens and stuff.
Well, I'm clicking on vaults right now and there's only one.
Yeah.
And I think that's the like the hunches vaults, which they actually added.
I think liquidity, you know, for it to kick off things.
But I don't know if they have already, you know, prepared liquidity tokens and stuff like that.
It looks nice.
To be able to provide it.
I got to say, though, my first transaction stuck.
Oh, no.
What?
That's your wallet's fault.
You do that all the time, Yoshi.
You and you get gremlins when it comes to these wallets.
That's wild.
Did you poke it with a stick?
Usually that works, right?
I'm trying to decide what you do.
Apple Farm is tomorrow.
I think I sold...
But they are going to launch tomorrow or something?
Well, the white list closes tomorrow.
Maybe it launches tomorrow.
It's just tomorrow.
That's all we know.
It's obvious tomorrow.
Freaking...
What is that girl's name?
Shirley Temple?
You're only a day away?
The Apple...
Yeah, so the Apple Farm wait list is closed,
get ready, and the text says tomorrow.
Tomorrow what?
Probably the lunch.
Man, why aren't there more Shirley Temple memes with this one?
I don't know.
Yeah, there should be.
I can't sing that song.
I won't even try.
And that would be another good one, Fendell.
Throw that one into your sample box,
a little gator up, some, like, Shirley Temple,
doing some tomorrow.
We actually had a developer working for us
whose last name was Shirley,
and no word of a lie, her middle name was Temple.
That is a true story.
Fake can be cruel.
Like I knew a guy whose first name was Harry,
and its last name was Butts.
Yeah, okay, I should go one further, if I may.
We had a teacher, the teacher at a school we're at,
and his name was Mr. Head.
Now, can you all guess what you call it?
Richard.
Richard. He actually called his son Richard.
Can you believe that?
Yeah, I can. People are cruel, man.
Fate is cruel.
I think our jokes, unfortunately,
sometimes we don't see how badly they do affect the world around us.
Yeah.
Bravo. Bravo for that guy to go by it, though. That's the other thing, to stand by it and be like, yeah, that is my name.
What are you going to do about it?
A friend of mine from a youth group that I went on a trip out west, and I still remember it because anytime somebody challenged him, he'd literally pull out his ID and show it to people.
His name was Harry Falls. That was his literal first and last name.
Yeah, yeah, man, fate is cruel.
Fate is cruel.
And I attribute fate not in the naming of the being born to that family,
like out of all the families that you could be born to,
you get to be born to that family.
That's the fate thing.
Man, that's rough.
Thank you to my parents for giving me a strong name that I'm proud of that I represent.
That's all I have to say, I guess.
I don't know what else.
Yes.
So, um, when,
We are slowly edging back on the topic.
I noticed that Yoshi was doing a great job of attempting,
and we maybe touched on it a little.
Hanji.io, if you want to check it out, there is.
It's a beautiful looking site.
Don't be like Yoshi.
Don't let your transaction hang.
Make sure you goes through.
Poke it with a stick.
I don't know what to tell you.
Yeah.
But if you're just joining us, this is Tuesday, Test Day's community call.
And we have the floor open to the community tonight.
So if you've got something on your mind, hop up and join the conversation.
Currently, it has been about Vespas.
Oh, yes, Chris, what's up, my man?
So I was going to tell you about a problem that I'm having at the moment.
Oh, yes.
Which might affect bigger bakers.
So if you're using Amazon's,
hardware security module. Keep your keys nice and safe. Amazon are forcing everyone from version one to version two of their HSM, and in doing so, are forcing an upgrade of their SDK from version 3 to 5, I think, if I've read the release notes correctly. So if you happen to be running
a remote signer that uses SDK version 3.
You'll need to do some work before December.
The actual migration of the HSM is quite nice.
It's all graphically driven.
You can migrate from your old HSM to your new one.
It all just magically happens.
but it won't let you do it if you're connecting to it using the old SDK.
So you have to upgrade all your software dependencies before you do it.
This is something I'm thinking about at the moment, quite hard.
And fortunately signatory, from ECAD Labs, they've
recently added HSM support and I think they've got support for the new SDK.
So I'm hoping to switch to signatory to solve this problem.
But if not, I will be doing some Python coding to replace an old SDK with a new one.
So that's something to be thinking about.
I mean, there are a couple of big bakers using out-h-s-M, I believe, but they're probably in the same boat.
That's rough, man.
And did you just found out about this?
Or is this something that you kind of knew about?
Just got confirmation.
No, I found out about it.
When was it?
Last Wednesday.
Because unusually, I had a problem on my remote signer.
And I logged in to fix that.
So for me to log in to fix that is quite difficult.
I have to have...
I have to have someone else with me and I have to fill out a load of paperwork.
More paperwork than for an international driving license.
And having got all those keys to get into the system, we had a look, fix the problem.
And at the top of the console was a banner telling us that we need to upgrade the HSM by December.
Now, I have to say, I said Amazon are forcing, got straight onto the Amazon account manager.
and he's got the Web Free team looking at it with me.
So they are supporting us.
And they'll support other large customers of it.
So if you're in that position, talk to Amazon,
because they will help.
I would hope they help.
That's rough, man.
That's rough for everybody.
I mean, obviously, it must be something that's important to them
and need to happen in order for them to keep moving.
So they wouldn't be forcing it.
But same time, man, it's tough.
That's like what, the Windows 10 support is gone this year.
Yeah, I mean, look, I've been working on a book of mine downstairs on a Mac Pro from 2012, a Mac Pro laptop.
There's nothing wrong with it. It's got a 15 and a half inch screen. Beautiful. Keyboards are a bit old.
But the last OS you can run on it is Catalina. So it still works. But if you try and get, you know, a modern version of Visual Code, a Video Studio code on it, it will crash.
you can't get any modern applications on it it's just a little bit over the edge um but it it's
annoying because it's still usable it's sitting there and it's a piece of aluminium yeah that
cost two and a half thousand pounds originally and it's it's not much use you'd be lucky to get
two hundred for it at this point is what you're saying uh yeah possibly possibly i mean i think
i think i can probably trade it in
about a hundred to apple i can get something for it but there's nothing fundamentally wrong with it
other than it's old it's a bit like me really well you continue to learn and adapt it's it's
it's capped it has reached its hardware finality you're you're still growing technically maybe
sideways not up and down anymore but you know horizontal scaling right right right right
that comes with age that's another thing that comes with age yeah
But anyway, the reason why this is a little bit annoying is that its work that I didn't think I'd have to do this year,
because I'm looking to switch my signing mechanism for something using Amazon Nitro enclaves,
which are very small compute instances that no one can get into.
So I was hoping to do that this year, but now I've got to do something else,
and do that as well. So double the work.
You get to, right? You get to.
Yeah, I get to, but time is short. Time is short.
So it's a matter about priorities and I've got to do this.
So it's just a heads up. If anyone else is in the same boat and is using a cloud hs.m, they need to look at it.
Okay, all right, spread the word.
If you know any fellow bakers that are using advanced key signing methods,
definitely get them in the know, let them know.
It is time to revisit the current situation to make sure they are not out in the cold come December.
That would be terrible.
Well, that was a downer.
Let's talk about something great.
Round zero, what the F game show is over.
Congratulations to you lucky competitors that made it through.
I myself, I bowed out.
It was too much.
And I'll be the man to say that.
I found myself all consumed by it and could not do a damn thing in real life.
And that wasn't good for me.
And so I definitely had to wish you guys good luck and step back.
But, man...
What a fun place to be.
That is one of the craziest rooms I've been in.
It is the vibes, as Yoshi put it,
are reminiscent of the 01 telegram rooms
where you would go in and be like,
butcoin, and the whole room would be like,
wah!
And then there'd be memes,
and then there would be like AI pictures now,
but I mean, back then it would just be custom memes
and more memes and gifts.
Yeah.
I don't know, man.
I got those...
And it's been a while
since I've had
that level of energy
and camaraderie.
Even among a bunch of people
who are all out
basically to stab me
in the back is what it came down to,
which is really even more funny.
Like, I love these guys,
all each one of them.
And the more and more I thought about it,
it's like, no, I can't do this
because I'll start, like,
because of the game,
not because of who they are
and what they represent,
but because of the game,
I might start looking at them
like in a bad way.
No, I don't even want to begin
thinking about people like this.
So...
I, uh, I don't know.
I just had to, I don't know.
It wasn't for me.
I appreciated the opportunity.
I would love to sit in that room and just be a fly on the wall, but, yeah.
As a participant, too, your actions have weight.
And so as a non-participate, you don't, I don't know.
It just doesn't mean as much when you make some cryptic statement or you act a certain way.
Anyway, yeah, it was amazing.
It was a lot of fun.
If you guys haven't heard about it, it is one of the, I guess you could almost call it like an initiative put together by Paul, who is a ghost and several other people.
are inspiring, like, almost hyperactivity in the Tesos community.
It's a competition.
It is survivor-esque.
So there is definitely some aspects of psychological warfare.
There is some nuance.
There's some heavy-handedness in barbarianism.
And in the end, what you come together and have is you have a group of people that are
Just trying to have the best possible freaking time they can.
And at the same time, loving Tesla is the whole way through.
So what an amazing experience.
I want to thank you all for that.
Tell Paul, I love him deeply, nothing personal.
It's just, you know, I got to make sure I pay attention to my kids and make dinner and things.
Yeah.
But anyway, sorry, that was my rant.
What was your experience with it?
Wait, wait.
Yoshu was a survivor, wasn't he?
Oh yeah, he's got a token.
He was flashing his flexing his token, making me all...
No, I'm kidding.
Yeah, tell us all about it, man.
Definitely excited to make it through a round and actually, like, play the game.
Because I joined last season and left before I actually understood what was happening.
It was good.
Overall, I'm really enjoying the show.
And, you know, Paul is a legend.
Really, really good to see the community so active and excited about anything, really.
Yeah.
Yeah, there's nothing quite like getting a good wave of some sort of something started.
Like the Happy Birthday, Paul, that thing stuck around for a long time.
And I think he basically nipped that in the bud.
I mean, that still occasionally occurs.
But when it does, it's like, oh, you haven't been around to know that that might not be a thing anymore.
But that's okay.
You can say it.
And then we'll all say it again, but it's not really a thing.
Yeah.
It's fun. It's fun to have the inside jokes. I don't know, man. It's been a long time.
Tacos, we had tacos for so long, but now it's like, no, no's in the air. We're past tacos. We're fine art. We're fine art chain. Tacos. No. Pasha. No, I'm kidding. We have it all here, and I love it. And so, I mean, it's...
It's, oh, what a place.
So anyway, thank you.
What the F game show, you have reignited an old fire that I missed.
I'm pretty sure I got about double the gray hairs.
And I wasn't even competing.
That's the funniest part is I doubled the amount of gray hairs that I have on my head while I was in that room.
And it was probably because I didn't sleep and I just wanted to make sure I was caught up on everything.
And when was the last time you were like that?
I mean, that was kind of how that last run was.
Yeah.
Oh, well, we'll be there soon.
We'll be there soon as we create more and more of these situations where we are free to sort of be those people again.
I'm sure we'll start it all up again soon.
That's, I don't know.
Now, should we talk about something a little more adult?
I don't know.
That was kind of fun.
I don't know.
What do you mean by more adult?
I don't know.
Like, now I'm going to move into, I mean, with that, first I'm going to say, because, I mean, this is, you know, quick reset.
This is a space for the builders and collectors and bakers and anyone curious about Tesos, first and foremost.
So if you got something to share, requests to speak.
If you've got any updates or anything, this is your time.
But other than that, I'm going to kind of move into more of a topic that maybe not everybody cares about.
But I find it very interesting.
Let's remind people that Rio, the Rio proposal is going through the governance process.
We are at the cool down now.
Ooh!
Yes, I think in eight days, we're getting into the next phase.
Yeah.
We will need all beggars to vote.
Yeah.
Is there a party planned, Mr. Pinnock?
Is there going to be like a post-reel party?
Like, that's a very good question.
So we didn't do one at Quebec, did we?
We, so back-
Now, we had the space right the next day,
if you remember-
That was it.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, well, you've been to sleep since then.
At my age, I can barely remember what I had for breakfast.
So yes, we've got, as you say,
we've got eight days.
Then we all need to go and vote.
And we're having a chat about this today.
So if I look on Agora, we're looking around 16th of April.
So all being well, and Rio is accepted, 16th of April.
We've got a clear way forward, right?
So I think I've agreed to switch GhostNet across.
So I don't know if people know this, but on GhostNet,
we switch the network protocol using something called a dictator key.
Only on ghostnet.
We can't do some mainnet.
Just to be absolutely clear.
Yeah, that'd be nuts if that was like a mainnet.
Then I would just say, what's the difference between us and like Solana?
No, exactly.
But for ghosts, the reason we...
Yeah, exactly.
Amazon and whatever.
But basically...
The reason we do that is in the past we used to use user activated upgrades and that meant that everyone on the test network had to download a new config and be ready.
Whereas with the dictator switch it's more like a switch over on the network.
So we normally do that around a week before. However, because I'm travelling around, we've decided to do it in Atlanta, which is the 22nd of April.
I'll be switching GhostNet to Rio probably on the 22nd of April.
And then all...
What about Atlanta?
Sorry.
I know I'll be in Atlanta.
You know I live like an hour from there.
No, I don't.
So if you want to catch up, I'm meeting someone for a baseball game in the evening.
But yeah, if you want to catch up, I'm in Atlanta on the 22nd.
That'd be cool.
I'll hit you up.
Cool.
Then I fly to...
LA the next day from the 23rd.
I spend a bit of time at Kevin.
Now it's looking like the switch over to Rio will be the 1st of May,
but it does slip a bit because the block times,
you know, although it's 8 seconds it can vary if we have a bit of network slip.
So May the 1st, May the 2nd, we're looking at Rio and so everyone will need to make sure they're up to date and
you're running version 22 but obviously we've got to get through the governance first yeah for
now i think we we have to focus on getting the all the bakers to vote uh in 80 days right yeah
that's one yeah absolutely yeah by the way it would be nice to remind to people what rio is all
about uh just like you know a quick go over of the pictures
And for me, the most cool one is the reduction of the cycle times, which I think, because
it's mostly based for the user experience, which means that, you know, staking rewards
and the staking period for unstaking, for unlocking your funds, and for getting baking rights
and everything is reduced as well.
almost three times down like from 2.8 days that one cycle is now, it will go to one day.
So that means that the delegation rewards will be issued every day instead of 2.8 days like it's happening now.
I don't know.
Money every three days is going to have to change his name.
Yes, sir.
Well, not necessarily because the delegation rewards are, yeah, delegation.
Now, money every day sounds better.
Yeah, for sure.
But staking rewards will be accrued every day now.
So that's for sure.
And also when now to unstake, you have to wait for cycles, which is like between 10 to 11 days, let's say.
And then it will be four days.
So in four days, your funds will be on stake when you decide to, which is like a huge increase in user experience, right?
Yeah, it's much more dynamic and fluid, yeah.
And it's not unreasonable. I mean, it's a legitimate lockup and it's a legitimate cool down.
Yep, I think so too. And then of course we have the data availability layer, which
So basically what I was told is that the data availability layer is already active, let's say, on the protocol.
Yeah, it was activated a while ago. It's just about adoption.
Yeah, through Paris. Yeah, it is about the incentive, I think, because it was activated with Paris.
And now with Rio, they are introducing a new reward distribution.
let's say feature where if 66% of the bakers of the steak run a dull node,
the availability layer node, then the doll is basically activated and the new incentives program is
activated where whoever runs the dull node gets 10%
more rewards than the rest that are not running down nodes.
So kind of incentivizing people to run down nodes that way,
because that availability layer is important for scaling and for everything, for sure.
Yeah, so on that, the, yeah, you're right, the Dell has been available on Mainnet since Paris.
In fact, the Tesos Foundation are running a download in front of their bakers, but at the moment, there's not enough
there's not enough people running down yet for that to have a critical map so the the idea
i believe with art is to put an incentive in so that people will start to run download it's
it's not particularly difficult to run one either you um you you just run install it you just run it
with config in it the first time uh and then you can connect your baker to it if if you're just
using one machine it's incredibly easy
I've had a Dowdode and a node and a baker running on a Raspberry Pi with 16 gig for a couple of weeks now.
So it's possible to run it on your machine, all on one machine as well.
I wanted quickly to say hi to Lily. We haven't forgotten about you.
You came up and then, of course, your man. Welcome. Welcome. Lily, how are you?
I'm good. No, I was interested in learning more about Rio, so I was just listening intently to the conversation. So it sounds like some good things happening.
Perfect. And Herman, welcome, welcome. How are you?
Hi, folks. Do you hear me? I'm on my...
Are you talking? I can't hear... No, I'm kidding. I can hear you just fine.
Okay, cool. Because...
If Secret Santa is listening, I need a new headset.
It's not bad. It's not bad. It's not bad. You're clear. You're very clear.
No, no, I was checking, like, you know, graving the answers that Cryptonia was providing on the content software.
Yeah.
Oh, thank you.
I thought you were coming to scold me.
You know you're talking about?
You wasted.
You guys did.
I can't.
Yeah.
Okay.
But yeah, so indeed like, you know what you guys were saying.
Like, we did have the Dahl, at least the kind of operational part of the business
logic acting on Maynett since Paris.
And.
And indeed, one of the challenges now is to spread the world and get as much as we can ready for when we actually need it.
that it will be very soon and we are steadily advancing i think i saw some so we i saw some
numbers we discussed with the team today i think we are around like in the 60 bakers that have
already deployed their dallas testers and it's roughly i guess it was around a bit less than 20 percent
of the baking power
which is perhaps maybe like we're slowly increasing week by week, but we need to ramp up because, you know, as Chris was a crypto.
We're saying with it for the to work, we need at least 67% of the baking power using it.
And then...
So we need to start getting ready in advance for when the DAL will be plugged in
and there will be actually data to have test on MayNet.
By the way, I just posted down in the comments and pitted here as well in the bubble.
The hardware and bandwidth requirements for the Tesos Dahl node, which were posted in May 2024,
But I saw that you have it linked in the real description, so I assume that it is up to date, right?
Yes.
Okay.
And actually, for since probably a week ago, they actually fully integrated in the Octet documentation.
So basically, you know, like, so in order to, you know,
We haven't changed the requirements much from what was originally discussed a year ago,
but kind of now that it's getting closer and closer to reality, we actually should make this part of the official documentation in case that there are actually changes in the future and in future releases, but this has not been the case at least, and it will not be the case for you.
Yeah, so from what I'm seeing, Herman, from what I'm seeing, it's pretty low the hardware requirements, right?
Like, I don't see anything that is, you know, any out of the ordinary stuff.
Like, 2 gigs of RAM is, I think, lower than the average now.
And the bandwidth is okay from what I see.
What about the disk space?
Like, I see an asterisk there.
So is there a chance that people would need more than the 20 gigs of disk space?
No, I think it depends on the role, right?
So I see it's all those numbers.
That's for for bakers running an attester.
They will be pretty much...
constant as they were having disclosed and also kind of we do have some
mechanisms to prune the the the the story footprint as well and as you had said like the key perhaps is the
the bandwidth in the sense like the availability that you that will depend on your take but you know if you look at the numbers
for a large majority of the of the bankers, the requirements, basically, it's not, it's not
something that is asking them a lot of effort with regards to what they already have in terms of
hardware and infrastructure for operating a baker anyway.
Yeah, so from...
This changed a bit for...
Sorry, this will of course change a bit for anyone that is actually
operating infrastructure for a roll-up or that is actually working in what it called a producer,
basically the... the operate, the dedicated operators that are actually pushing data in the Dow.
But for the majority of the users that we expect,
that will be, for instance, Tesos Bakers,
this is indeed a very, very,
a small, you know, increasing resources.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And yeah, I see like if you have 15% of the total stake, which like even exchanges don't have that much, I think.
But even for them, it's like really low the hardware requirements.
Even if you have a lot of stake in the area, big beggar, it's still very low.
Yeah, and I think it's a question of fairness in the sense.
Like if you have like, it's very likely that if you have 15% of the stake,
you already have, you know, the infrastructure or the,
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, Chris is crazy.
I don't know.
I think, yeah, but first, let me go quickly to Spoon because he came up.
I assume to ask a question he raised his son as well.
Welcome Spoon.
Hey, guys.
I guess this is probably my second or third time in your spaces, and I like your conversation.
I'm looking to becoming a baker, and I'm glad you guys are talking about requirements.
I've had a validation experience in a few years back, becoming a validator multiple network.
So I'm starting to do that again.
I'm going to start with Tesos.
And so...
Is there any conflict when it comes to mirroring the hard drive?
I let Chris, I think, answer to that or Herman?
The only requirement you need for a Tesos node is a fast hard drive.
So a modern SSD drive is fine.
If you mirror it, it should be okay.
If we were talking four years ago, I'd have told you to buy an MVME drive, but
Now an SSD, his drive is absolutely fine usually.
So, so an SSD is fine, so not requiring any NVME.
No, I mean just driving.
That's right.
So yeah, just buy a fast SSD drive, you know, a modern,
if you get a PC off the shelf and you get an SSD drive,
it will probably be okay.
Like an Amazon instance, GP2 or GP3 is enough.
So, I mean, that's what you get out of the box these days.
The only, if you've got a very old machine,
I've had one machine about three years ago that had a spinning disk
and that couldn't quite keep up.
That's the only problem I've ever had with disks.
But if you've got a relatively fast SSD drive, you should be fun.
Can I give you a quick rundown my specs real quick, if you don't mind?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I'm running four hard drives.
Two hard drives are the normal satad drives, about 500 gigs marrying each other.
That's the operating system.
Then I'm running another drive for the actual validation, which is two terabytes,
marrying each other.
And I have a SSD and VME.
Everything's redundant.
What I have, because I'm anal when it comes to uptime.
It's probably overkill.
Someone tells me that.
But that's how I ran my validations for other projects or other nodes or other blockchain, that is.
And so I have an unmetered bandwidth, so there's enough handle any traffic in there.
But do you guys also do...
pairing, peering with other validators.
So the TESOS nodes will peer with each other.
Is that what you mean?
Or do you mean something else?
Yeah, is there anyone peering with each other?
Oh yeah, absolutely.
It happens out of the box.
So if you bring up a node in a default configuration,
it will go and find the network and try and peer with a number of nodes.
You can tune the number of peers and connections.
But yeah, it will do that automatically.
Let me ask you one last questions and I'll park my plane here and land my plane.
When the validation is down, does that affect the rewards for both staking and delegation?
It will affect your endorsing rewards because you will miss some endorsements.
So you need to try and keep up as best you can.
But it's not the end of the world if you are down.
You know, you just lose a few rewards.
Yeah.
Does that affect the delegators and the stakers?
Well, you pay the delegation rewards manually.
So you'd have it or use a piece of software.
So, yeah, you'd miss some, you'd miss some rewards.
And yeah, that would be passed on to your...
Actually, I think Herman might be able to answer that one.
Yeah, so basically, there are actually five different rewards that are tied to consensus participation.
There will be a new one with the one in the now.
And of course, so the rewards are split, basically.
So whenever there's a new reward issue, a party is allocated to the...
to the baker for his for their own stakes a part is distributed by the protocol to to stakers and then
there's another part that is basically computed by the protocol in a lump sum and it's allocated to the
baker and it's corresponds to what the baker could because there's no obligation for this but
it's what the bakers usually do with is to share this with their delegators right um um uh
For instance, like when you bake a block, the rewards for baking a block are instantaneous.
These are minted together with the block.
So basically, if you miss a block, naturally, this penalizes your bakers.
You as a baker, it also penalizes the staker, and then it also eventually penalizes the delegators because they will miss their share, right?
But for other rewards, in particular about attestations and in the future, if Rio gets accepted like DAL attestations, these rewards are computed and they accrue at the end of the cycle.
And they are based in a sort of like a.
based on a minimal participation.
So if you are down, for instance, like for attestations,
you need to have fulfilled two thirds of your slots.
So this current means, if you miss attestations for today,
it's basically a cali day, but with one cycle,
one day cycles it will be for eight hours.
You don't lose these rewards.
So basically, if you satisfy the minimum,
of this minimum participation, you get the full rewards.
So in that case, for this, for attestation rewards and the other rewards,
eventually you will have a tolerance into how much downtime you have,
you can have without affecting the rewards, right?
I don't know if that helps.
No, that helps. I appreciate that. I'll probably ask another question, probably a different time because I'm driving, because there's multiple options of validation there. I just wanted to know which one is favorable, which one allows you to earn more. And I heard the Dow know you can run and earn as well.
So, so that will be after the year.
Right, Herman?
Yeah, after we, right now the Rio upgrade is going through the governance process.
We were discussing earlier that in eight days, the final voting will start.
So if Bakers voted through and it gets activated,
Then, yeah, bakers will be able to activate that new incentive mode for running a down node, if 66% of the stake, right, Herman?
Yeah, it's a bit, well, it's not perhaps like, it's a bit complicated, but the idea is that there is a new reward,
and this reward gets an allocation, which is 10% of the budget.
But this is basically the budget that we have for allocating DL rewards.
And it's dependent on participation and it's dependent on the DAL being active.
So, and that's why we were discussing about the need to get to 67% of the striking power running a DAL.
So if...
Let's say that we are in this situation that 67% of the bakers are running the DAO, and there's actually data to a test in the DAO, which is not the case today yet.
It means that the rewards model becomes active, and this 10% of rewards is allocated to the bakers that participate in the DAW.
If that's the case and you are not operating a DAL node,
or you don't attest enough DAL slots,
you won't get this share of rewards.
But if there's no data to attest in the DAL,
and or we don't have like two sorts of the bakers supporting the DAL,
then this 10% of rewards is basically redistributed with all the bakers.
So basically, it's
So they will be getting even more, the people that are running a Dahl node will be getting even more, right?
Since the other share...
Yes, if the DAL is active, of course, if the DAL is active,
Bakers running a DAL node will get a bigger share of rewards than what the Baker's not running the DAL node will get.
Yeah.
Is that a normal practice for Teso to let the bakers or anyone that wants to run, whether it's a Tao?
You guys also letting them run and reward like modules that's on the network?
Sorry, I didn't get the other bit, the last bit.
Is that a normal practice to where if there's a node needed for a particular module or applications that you guys reward if anyone wants to run the node?
Oh, well, I guess it is the case for the Dow because from the conception, we see this as a natural process.
that it will be a natural part of consensus.
But for instance, this is not necessarily the case for layer two.
There's no rewards for people operating, for instance,
infrastructure for Etherlink.
But it is the case that what it is common is that it has always been permissionless, right?
So the requirement for being a Tesla's layer one validator is to just have the minimal stake and then operate the infra.
There's, you know, there's no...
cap on the number of validators and it's also no cap on the how much a stake a validator can have.
For the Val, we have made it. So it's all permissionless. So all the different roles are permissionless and the decision to integrate
the attestation part so the data
So the A in DAL, right?
So the like, we've seen this as a natural extension of consensus of what the role of the validator does when you move to a single layer one stack to what we are calling like a multi-chain approach, what it's just what our vision for what PESOX is.
But yeah, I don't know if that answers your question.
I should also say that the DAL, the incentives for DAL, as we said, will not be activated with the protocol upgrade.
Bakers will still have to activate it by reaching the 67% of the stake running a dull node.
So that in a way is also that the majority of the network wants that incentive,
that incentive structure, let's say, right?
Yes, but I guess that the, you know, the...
The fact that this is part of governance means that eventually it's something that we have
supported as a community since before, you know, since it became an idea and since various,
and since like, you know, like you said before, Paris, it was the one that actually proposed to integrate the DADL, right?
So, but it is true that it doesn't activate automatically upon activation.
So it's not like the deadline is that we need to have 67% of the Bakers running the DAL.
by the time that eventually reactivates, or like you said,
I said before, it would be around April 30.
But we know that we do need this extra step,
which is if we want to have the DAL,
active because we believe this will be the foundation for a future of scalability.
Basically, we want to boost Eterlink.
We want to eventually boost the test link and we want to make sure that as we deliver
the next steps in the roadmap for Tesosax that we are, the DAL is ready to provide the boost
needed for all the stack.
There's this extra work, I guess, and it has to do with
advocacy and convincing bakers and it's all these efforts that, you know, people like Chris, myself and you guys are doing to get everybody ready, right?
Yeah, and I think that right now many might see it as, I don't know, like we don't have an issue for now, you know, but looking at the suggested roadmap and the vision, let's say, of Tesosix,
we will need the data availability layer.
Like if everything moves to the layer two,
to the canonical roll-up,
like it is planned, you know, for Tesosix,
that means that you will have Etherlink
with all the jobs, with gaming,
with Defi, being builder,
and you have so many transactions,
and you will have Teslink as well as you said
where I think part of the plan is to kind of,
take the whole state of layer one and migrate it to the layer two to Teslink.
And that means we will have a bunch of transactions over there as well.
So there will be a lot of data in the future that will need a lot of bandwidth to be posted,
you know, on the layer one for validation and stuff.
So it is an integral part of the roadmap.
So right now I suppose,
we should get it as soon as possible.
The hardware requirements, thankfully, are not that high.
I honestly expected them to be higher,
but I just happened to stumble upon the hardware requirements
you had posted in the past.
And they are pretty, I think, they're pretty decent,
like an average PC.
The bigger hardware requirement for Dell will come when you need to run a download in front of a smart roll-up operator.
But that's not something everyone is doing.
So if you're running a baker at home, you know, you've got, I don't know, up to say 30,000 tears, you can get away of using one machine.
So that's why I have a machine at home with 16 gig and it's all comfortably fitting in.
to that machine and I run a Dell node now. So in our it's incentivized behavior and in later
protocols it's it's likely for all the reasons you've just said about you know shifting
shifting transactions and moving up to the layer two it's very likely that Dell will become a
mandatory thing so it's vital people start looking at it now.
Sorry, but I have a lot of hands raised stack, and I don't know which ones are actually raised hands or which ones are just UI glitch.
So I saw Lily and Spoon have their hands up.
You guys have any questions on that?
Yeah.
Oh, sorry.
Yeah, I do.
I get a lot of questions about...
I guess some of the basic functionality.
The main two things that I'm getting questions about is,
doesn't matter where the nodes are.
Like, do we have enough, that's the second thing.
Do we have enough nodes for sustainability of the future?
And it doesn't matter where they are like as far as physical location in the world.
Those are two things I get asked a lot, and I don't know the answers too.
So I'm hoping somebody here does.
Well, I mean, if it makes people feel comfortable at night, we've got a complete archive
node of Tezzas on every continent.
So in every continent, except Antarctica.
We have archive nodes running across the world.
We've got one in South Africa, several in Europe, one in Australia, off the top of my head.
We've got one in Oregon, one in Brazil.
So there is a Tesos blockchain copy across the world.
And bakers are operating all across the world as well.
There is a map.
So there's bakers in Singapore and Tokyo and many in the US and many in Europe.
And we do have a...
a sizeable proportion of the validator set that like we said are what we call this home bakers
so these are like guys that are running in from home so we don't even like we we do have like
larger bakers or other setups that are you know share distributed but they are still you know in data
centers and you can see
But we do have this advantage.
And I think we wrote about it, I guess at some point when we presented the work that was done towards reducing latency in the recent upgrades,
that one of this, one of the arguments about keeping a lower barrier of entry for hardware was not just because
for the sake of affordability, but also because affordability has an impact in hardware diversity,
which is, and hardware diversity is key for sustainability and decentralization, right?
So I think this is something that it is,
something that we actually core teams, especially in layer one,
whenever we are working towards making Tesla's more efficient and reducing latency,
this is a factor that we always, that is always, you know, kept into mind.
It's like it's part of the requirements to preserve,
the fact that this is not the blockchain where 90% of the validators running the same data center
because they need to, you know, beat each other or because you need to, you know, to have this
excessive amount of resources, right?
By the way, just quickly filling that I posted down in the comments and I pinned it here as well.
This is it has a nice map where it shows, you know,
thesis nodes all over the world approximately i assume i don't know how accurate it is but
this might kind of answer your question as well lily you want to take a look because yeah from what i
say there are nodes you know all over the world uh and
I think the idea is that the more concentrated the notes are, like in one set of service or in one location, the easier it is to kind of take down the network if
something happens and it is required.
The more distributed it is over the world,
yeah, the more resilient it is into,
kind of, let's say, against censorship, right?
Right, yeah.
If you know, if you have 66% of your bakers or your validators
running on the cloud in the same provider,
the data that provider says, oh, you can no longer use this to run a validator,
a Tesla's validator and shuts you down, then your chain stops.
If, you know, like 66% of the baking power is concentrated in a single country,
and that something happens, then you change stops, right?
So this is hardware diversity.
helps because it makes easier to have a share distributed presence,
ensuring that we do have a truly global blockchain.
Okay.
Just to follow, Hannah.
So...
Are you saying just maybe just a yes or no because I think I understand,
but I want to just like make sure.
Are you saying that at the current rate of growth,
we have sustainability for the future as far as how many people are baking
and the areas that they're in?
We're doing good.
We're pretty solid.
And the reason I'm asking is because I've been talking to a lot of businesses
that are hoping to put their...
some aspect of their business onto the blockchain, and I get this question a lot.
Like, they want to know, do we have that diversity already?
I see the map, but in your expert opinions here, like, do we have that diversity for sustainable growth?
Yes.
Thank you.
That makes us simple.
I can see it.
No, we do.
We have enough enough.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Of course, if a business wants to deploy an application on the Tesla's blockchain, they can run a node.
It doesn't cost anything in terms of DES.
They don't have to have a stake.
They can run a node relatively easy on a small machine if they want to participate and have a copy of the chain.
If they want to bake, then, you know, the barrier to entry to do that is you need 6,000 Tes.
So if someone was serious about doing it, they could also bake and they could also participate.
So I think it's a relatively safe bet.
Okay, that gives me a lot more confidence going in.
And thanks for sharing that map and the...
what you need, what the equipment you need to, because that sometimes I can add that into my presentations and that gives a, you know, that'll give it a lot more power to these people that are asking me like these technical questions where, I'm
I'm kind of like, sometimes I am thrown off because I'm, you know, talking to them about this other whole aspect.
And then they're coming up with them, oh, you know, what's the requirements and how many do you have and where are they located?
And this is all good information, guys. Thank you so much.
There's nothing to stop anyone participating.
If you go and look at other blockchains, which I have been doing for the last week for a project, I'm looking at, I'm trying to compare...
requirements with other chains.
If you want to run a Solana validator,
you have to have a big old machine to do that.
And there are some chains where you have to have
ridiculous number of coins to participate.
So one of the good things that we do is we have a low barrier to entry.
You can start with a Raspberry Pi at home.
You obviously need 6,000 tares.
You can club together with your friends.
Yeah, if you're a business and you're putting something together, then, you know, 6,000 tears is not a big investment for a small business.
So, yeah, easy to get into.
Thanks so much, guys.
And just, I'm going to have to go soon.
It's late here.
But I'll be.
In the UK next month, for the first half of April, if there's anybody in UK that like to get together, do a Tesos get together, I'd be very interested in doing that.
Just DM me sometime, because I hear a couple of possible British accents.
Next month, unfortunately, clears will be in the U.S. You are switching places, as far as I understand.
Yeah, I'm going to be in the US for quite a lot of, quite a lot of April.
But there are others in London.
There's a partner office in London, Philotech.
Yeah.
By the way, I just wanted to add that the, this is not a black and white answer, I think,
to the how many validators are needed and stuff.
Obviously, the more you have and the more distributed they are, the better.
After a point, you can say if you are safe in a way, you know, but it really depends on the scenario that you will make up.
Like, what is it?
Is it that the country will ban, you know, crypto and running validators on a chain?
Okay, we are covered on that.
Is it that the continent will ban validators?
So is it that a cloud service will go down, as Chris mentioned?
In all those scenarios, let's say, we are safe.
But obviously, yeah, the more bakers you run, you have, the better,
and the more distributed they are, the better.
But also keep in mind that the numbers don't always tell the whole story.
What I mean is that there are many chains that are actually limiting how much stake one validator can have
which results in the same entity, the same person, running 5 or 10 or 40 even validators,
sometimes on the same chain. So those are not...
If they are the same entity, it doesn't mean that those 40 validators are better than just one.
Because it's that same one entity that you have to take off, you know, to get that stake of the chain.
It's a little bit tricky.
Sometimes those numbers are a little bit for showoff and stuff.
But the bottom line, as Chris said and Herman, I think we are in a good position in that regards with Thessus.
Yes, I've seen at some point there were some people calling this, if I remember correctly, the Nakamoto number, which is the coefficient.
And I'm a bit skeptic because they usually measure this using the 51%, which is like proofs of work-centric.
metric to determine how to take over a chain.
But like the times I've seen this report, like what we have for Tesos,
is actually relatively among the best.
Considering that the fact that we have a VFT consensus algorithm,
you actually need to look into two different numbers,
because we said this a long time ago,
we were promoting the change to Tenderwake in Itaka.
But so Tessos is what it's called in the consensus.
algorithm literature a BFT so Byzantine false tolerant consensus algorithm and which means that
you have two numbers to look at so you have you need 67% of the stake of the baking power to control to take over
which basically means and it's what's happened at every block level right so you need 67 percent
of of baking power to say which is the next block this could be a good actors or it could be bad
bad actors so if you had 67 percent by default you are the good actor right um but it also means
that if you if you have 34 percent you can't stop the chain
So basically what it means, that you can attack lifeness, but you cannot attack security.
So you always have to take a look at this metrics with a pinch of salt,
because it's not the same to say like a, you know, a 51% attack in Bitcoin versus, you know,
a similar attack on pesos, actually.
If you have 51% of the stake...
on Tesos, it means you are blocked.
And this is a bit, I'm nerding a bit, sorry, I went out of roles.
But it actually relates what we were discussing before on why we actually need 67%,
why we always have in this 67% magic number when we need this kind of, you know,
to make sure that we say, okay, we have a majority of the making power,
the majority of the making power.
in a consensus algorithm like tenderbeck, which is the one that the sociuses just serves, right?
No, that was a good, good point that you differentiate those things, because as you said, most people have in mind the 51 attack, the 51%
which, as you said, is most relevant to proof of works, to proof of work blockchains.
And proof of stakes, and some proof of takes, sorry.
Some proof of stuff, yeah.
But here, to alter the chain, to alter the block, to decide, you know, what goes into the next block, you need 67%, not 51, right?
Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So which is also whenever we are, you know, all the reasons like when we are preparing for an upgrade, we actually, you know, we are tracking how much of the bakers are ready. And we need to, you know, like if we know that we need to get, well, usually we target to overshoot, right? So we want to have like.
85, at least the day of the activation to make sure that even if there's people that have some hiccups, we can have a smooth satellites, right?
And it's related to this, right?
So they need to have two-thirds of the validating power.
It doesn't necessarily mean the validator set, but we can simplify to say two-thirds of the bankers agreeing in what should be the next, you know, the next block.
And this again is translating what you say, like when you start saying, okay, what you are going to do because we start, I'm trying to go back out of my rabbit hole.
You were asking about censorship and, you know, like saying, okay, it's a country, it's a continent.
Well, then you start to look, you need to start basically, you need to start looking at who these people are, where they are, and how much they translate into stake.
And basically, you need to start making sure that whenever you are close to 67% in some category, you are in trouble in that category, right?
Yeah, yeah, totally.
Nice, nice, nice discussion.
I love the discussions.
It's been really helpful to me because I can present this now differently to businesses when I go, I'm going around the world talking to people.
A lot of them are businesses and this is probably a side of Texas that I haven't had as much exposure to.
So this conversation has been, I wish I was 100% awake.
I'm not as fresh, but I'm getting a lot out of it.
Trust me, and I will incorporate some of this into.
And I'm going to encourage businesses then if they do get into Tesos in some way,
shape, or form to run their own node on top of whatever else it is that they're doing.
Because I feel like from this discussion that that's, you know,
that's only going to benefit them and the blockchain.
And I think it gives them another level of like, oh, now you're dug in this much deeper,
you know, kind of feeling that they have to, that they have a little more commitment to the blockchain
and they're probably going to have a little more long.
Yeah, yeah, totally.
And to go back to a point that I think Herman did earlier,
in those whole decentralization discussion,
one of the important aspects for me is inclusivity,
and this is something that Herman said,
they are always keeping it in mind to be able for anybody,
you know, to easily run a node.
Because really, guys, if you go and check the difference in how much money you need to spend to start a node, for example, on Ethereum or on Avax or on any other chain, and then you compare it to Tesos.
Tesos is so many times lower, so much more easy, you know, for anybody to step in,
whether it is from hardware requirements or how many coins, let's say you need to start
validating a chain.
When you have such low hardware requirements and so in general requirements,
it's also easier to get more people to run those nodes, you know?
So it helps with the resilience in that way as well.
That's also, I think, an important point in that discussion.
And totally off topic, but can I quickly give a shout out to Ptera Bitcoins?
He has posted so many...
Maybe you could give a little shout out, just a small one.
Man, I mean, go to the comments and see how it's been posting news from around the Tesla's ecosystem.
And even from some people, projects, whatever, you can check so many things down in the comments.
Go check it out.
And obviously, follow terabitcoins as well.
It's always so helpful and active, along with so many other people.
What a beautiful room we have down here, man.
You guys got them gushing.
He's not lying though. Thank you guys for coming.
Well, do we have any other questions?
I mean, these are great questions.
This is great info.
Spoon, I do remember you asking some of these questions like a couple weeks ago in a room that I was in a week ago.
And it's good that we got you around the right people to get your questions answered,
specifically the ones who know, the facts, the details.
And that's always helpful, which is kind of nice.
I mean, I fear for that day when we get to that point where you're not going to be able to,
to reach the Chris's and the Hermans.
We're going to have to figure this stuff
based on what you're saying, Spoon,
and what people down in the audience are saying,
and what Lillie's sharing,
and what the people you guys are telling.
That's going to be the key.
And why would that be, then, Blanks?
Well, at that point, we're too big.
We're too big.
That's why.
That's what I fear.
Right now, I really like...
the accessibility. I love the fact that I have access to all of you and that we can talk.
Maybe we can't commit to say like, you know, in the same way that we do with hardware, we should do with people
and keep accessibility to the crisis of the world.
Absolutely.
And even if it makes up you need to tolerate the Hermanns of the world as well.
Yeah, and the Blanks and the Kryptonios.
Yeah.
By the way, I share in the comments a blog article going back to the affordability and hardware.
It's a very long technical write-up that the Leo 1 team did when explaining all the work that entail to reduce block time to 10 seconds.
And there was this, you know, and again, there was this discussion of like,
about keeping the low bar for your entry and not breaking the piggy bank.
Spoon, do you have your hand raised?
I'm sorry, but my ex is getting glitchy.
Yeah, you know, yeah, I got another question.
Sorry, I was driving now.
Now I'm parked so I can actually think.
He landed the plane, folks.
He is safe.
Yeah, yeah.
No, no, it's easy.
I don't have to multitask.
It's so difficult.
You know, when I was looking through the documents, I see that there's options.
Obviously, someone's going to clarify that for me as I go through this process.
Okay.
One is that there's options in having to create a wallet for the validators.
You can create an external or is it an internal wallet within the system once it's going through the configuration setup.
Is that correct?
Yeah.
So you need to have a wallet to hold your funds.
You don't have to hold that wallet on the baker.
You can hold that wallet, say, on a ledger.
and then you can create a key on your baker called a consensus key.
So what you do is you delegate your consensus to that key.
Now, there's still some safety you need to do around that key.
So you do have to protect that key, but you can keep your baking key away from the baker.
You don't have to have it online.
So there's various options there. They're all documented on the Tesla Git lab site.
But the easiest way to get going home is probably to use a ledger.
You can use a ledger device provided to use a recent one to hold the key.
Yes. If you're investing, please use a S plus and not an S.
There's a significant improvements, especially if you're using the RSI keys.
So the RSI signature, the D-S-Ki, D-S-3 and not D-Z-1.
Okay, cool. I'm looking forward to it.
So as I set up my server here, I'm just going through some options,
and I'll take a little time.
Then I'll go ahead and deploy it and get it going.
Spoon, what are you planning?
Are you planning to run like a private baker just for yourself?
Or are you planning to have like delegators and stakers,
Cernal Stakers, you know, to delegate to you?
Delicators and stakers.
Nice.
So you'll be a public baker, let's say.
Pretty much.
Yeah.
That's great.
That's great, man.
It'll be running in a data center.
Well, that's fine.
Yeah.
So what I do is back in the 90s and 2000, I used to have a hosting company.
So I used to host servers, gaming servers, dedicated servers, virtual private servers, web hosting, domain names.
Does GameSpy mean anything to you?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. I know GameSye.
So I'll be bringing that back and I'm trying to just negotiate with some data centers for some partnerships for the ones that I used to partner with.
And some of them already got bought up with IBM.
So I'm bringing that back and we'll be providing servers and hosting for many people, both Web 2 and Web 3.
By the way, Hermann, where is the best place now, you know, for bakers to, you know, keep up with the info or ask questions? Is it the baking slack or the Discord?
Or is better like that.
Discord is, you know, it's a, it's a, it should be the default place.
So there's a, there's a baking channel on Discord.
And we also have dedicated baking announcements.
So basically also pushing notifications about Octets, about, you know, like leisure or different content conditions.
So that is probably the best place to get started.
There are also some dedicated channel, for instance, like test nets,
which we discuss activity on test nets.
So I guess,
The best place to start would be there, to have your questions and also because we have,
you know, we have, it's not just us, but we also have like the community teams and they're also like,
and the official community teams that also like, you know, like the less official because there's a lot of one thing that is also real, you know, there's a lot of,
there was a lot of.
Tesos bakers that are available there and are always willing to help others on board.
And sometimes I see that there are questions and when we
Sometimes we are tagged and then when we see the notifications, I will about to reply, and there are some usual suspects that I'll have always already provided the right answer, right?
Yeah, yeah. We have an awesome community of bakers.
You know, the community has been very accommodating, actually, from Biera.
That etherlink, and she's in.
Oh, we lost him.
He dropped him back, man.
Let's get him back.
Oh, I think he brought.
But he did mention Bietta, so.
Yeah.
Yes, I almost got it on record.
Yes.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
Well, hopefully he comes back, man.
He seems like a good guy.
Maybe his phone died.
Yeah.
Yeah, and he mentioned Beata, but also like other members of the team have reached out to him
under these days to help him on board and all his hopefully path to becoming a Tesos Baker quite soon.
And hopefully we will have other community members as well.
Yeah, Zero Lablounge and so many other bakers are helping work constantly.
I see them all the time.
Just in case, you know, he listens back to the recording later and he's not in, oh, never mind, he's requesting again, so he's back.
I was going to say that if you are not in the Tesos Discord, it's get in there, discord.g.g. slash Tezos.
That's the link, you know, easy.
Welcome back, Spoon.
Sorry, you know, I was talking, I pressed the wrong button, but what I wanted to say was I appreciate Tesos community and a lot of the people that's really helping out and going, having to go through this process, especially from Biera and to the person that she's having me in contact with.
I just got to get the server set up and then go from there.
But I'm excited actually.
I'm excited to get back into validation.
And, uh...
and looking forward to talking to the community.
Absolutely.
Thank you for coming, man, and asking all those questions.
We'll be so happy to have you.
By the way, baking now after Quebec, for baking,
they also increase how much external steak you can accept,
which is another good incentive, let's say,
in terms of economical incentive,
because you can get more,
fees out of your stakers, right?
But it used to be that you could accept up to five times your own steak,
and now they increased it to nine times.
So even more potential for more rewards, let's say, as a maker.
Yeah, and I guess this was especially welcomed by, you know, like smaller bakers
because it means that those special bakers that are active in the community
would find themselves perhaps close to max out in what the amount of external stake
they could absorb from delegation without actually having to invest more.
So I think that, you know, changing this to...
nine bring its, it makes sense and I think that it has had some impact for some of these
players, right?
I haven't checked actually after the increase, if there is any maker that is close to Max,
but there were many before, yeah.
Yeah, and you mentioned a number of the usual suspects, you know, that so
some eight it was going like it feels ages ago but when we you know when the
just after Paris activated and we had the new and taking mechanism live there was this
campaign that run by marketing teams,
it's really automatic that we're trying to do this contest
to like, you know,
do reward to the bakers that were absorbing the most of take.
And this was actually one of the,
like kind of not a complaint but kind of you know sort of sad puppy reply that we got some from some of this
some vacants in the community and say oh i'm i'm already max out so i cannot you know i cannot
earn this this really cool nfts because i already you know i already have five x and you know um
so the
Yeah. So yeah. So yeah, so yeah, so yeah, so I was going to say this, this, uh, basically this limit that we have had a little bit also to do with the decentralization, right? Because basically like, uh, the limit of, uh, staking and also the limit on delegation with regard to the baker's own stake have to do with,
in a way, implementing a maximum cap on the staking power that a waker can do,
can have on their own investment in a way.
And it's also has to do, especially in the one that relates,
staking and delegation in basically the boundaries in between how much,
how much of the funds are actually slashable or part of the security deposit versus how much of the
the other parties counter delegation, right?
So, but again, I'm nerding out.
But the point I want to say that the decision to change like this through governance also has to do with, you know, a bit listening to the community, but also kind of, you know, gushing, like saying, okay, we could...
you know, we are seeing that the,
how this the stake is attributed,
we are seeing the number of validators that we have.
We are seeing what happens if,
how much it could change in one direction or the other,
how the baking power formula changes,
and also the bit of the fact of how the,
weight of delegated and stake test changed, right, from Oxford to, like, from Oxford to Paris.
Like, saying the previous mechanism, every test counted the same, but now then in Paris,
like, delegated tests, if you have the power, then stake, and now with Quebec is one third, right?
So all those...
tiny bits of adjustments are, you know, are not just, even if they might be just changing a constant in the code base, they have an impact in decentralization. And we do take them seriously and try to, you know, listen to the community, but also very mind that
that there's impact in decentralization and there's impact, for instance, in what we say
before, what's part of our ethos, what part of what sort of the blockchain that we want
to be, what sort of what, where, you know, where we want to go as a community.
After, I remember that after Paris, the, all these small bakers that were, you know, paying
attention to the changes, they had already, uh, actually.
They activated the external stakers to accept external stakers right from the go.
And they were the first and they filled out pretty fast.
And with the staking, with that cap increased now, it totally helps with the redistribution
of the supply from the big bakers to the small bakers.
What I mean is that.
When you are a huge baker and you have, let's say, 5 million tests.
it's much, much harder to reach that cap of external stakers because you can accept 50 million
tests, let's say, right?
You could, no, sorry, you could accept 25 million with Paris.
But for a small baker who has like 100 K tests or a 6K test, let's say, it was much easier
to reach the cap and fill out from external steak and from the legators.
And if you look at it in terms of percentage, their stake, their percentage, as a percentage,
keep growing while the exchanges and the big bakers, the multi-acet bakeries, validators,
they didn't grow as much or they were actually shrinking in many cases, which is good
for decentralization because the supply was being redistributed.
Yeah, redistributed.
And we're close to two hours.
Blanks? Are you still with me?
Yeah, I'm here. I'm not sleeping. I'm listening.
We will have to wrap up soon, I suppose.
All right. Well, it's been a fiery two hours, man.
Lots of good info. I hope you all have enjoyed this. I have. That's for sure.
Is there anything else we should add? Any events going on?
Anything new? Chris, you got anything you need to share?
That's not so like...
My years shy. So Ior with that. I don't blame you, but you're kind of Eeyore with it.
Eeyore.
Yeah, Eeyore. He's, you know who Eeyore is, don't you?
I know who Eeyore is. Yeah, no, I don't have anything to share particularly other than I'm going to go and cuddle my dogs.
Oh, that sounds lovely. Oh, and a bottle of wine, too, I'm guessing, right?
No, no, not at all. I haven't had a drink for three weeks.
Are you practicing for something?
I'm doing lent.
Oh, you've lent all your bottles out and you're going to get them back later.
Yeah, that's it. That's it. That's it. That's it.
Sorry, I was too good to say that joke. I let you finish.
No, so, yeah, three weeks, I've been on one meal a day, no carbs six days a week, carbs on Saturday.
And actually, it's been a bit tough this time.
I have to say, I'm not able to do it.
Oh, man, that's rough.
I mean, good for you for putting yourself through that.
I'm sure everybody else around you appreciates it, too.
No, I love you, man.
That's awesome.
I was going to ask some of the regulars here that have been in the Chris space,
whether it was better or not when we had the discussions about wine as well.
Honestly, it's better for me.
It's better for others.
I don't know.
I think, yeah, difficult.
I think it's fine.
I think this is just a moment, just like all moments,
and they should be embraced and accepted for what they are.
I don't think you're going to be stuck here, are you?
Yeah, I think we're good.
Well...
You know, we've been going strong for two hours.
And before the space rugs out on us, I just want to say thank you for all of you coming up here today.
It's been a wonderful space.
I love doing these every week.
You guys are my treasure.
I look forward to this each and every week.
So thank you, everyone.
I think I'm just going to go ahead and say this is going to wrap up this week's Tuesday,
Tesday Community Call.
So once again, huge thanks to everyone who came up and shared.
This community really is what makes Tezos special.
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