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Tuesday | TezDay Tezos Community Call
Recorded: April 22, 2025 Duration: 2:27:39Space Recording
Short Summary
In a recent community call, Tezos enthusiasts discussed the platform's resilience amidst market quietness, highlighted strategic partnerships, and addressed community concerns regarding DeFi initiatives. The conversation also unveiled exciting opportunities for artists through collaborations with sports entities, emphasizing the importance of community engagement and growth within the Tezos ecosystem.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. well hello welcome back to tuesday tes day i'm blangs here with my co-host kryptonio
and tonight we're kicking things off with another community call these episodes are
always a favorite open floor open topics and a chance to hear directly from the people who are building, baking, collecting, and keeping things moving.
Hey, Blaine. Hi, Blaine. Hey, Blaine.
Hey, hey, what's up?
Dude, super cute. I got a fan. That's awesome.
So we've got a few things that we may bring up ourselves, but more than anything, we want to hear from you.
So settle in, raise your hands when you're ready, and let's get this conversation going.
But first, we'll take a quick look at what's been happening in Tezos lately.
Markets' quiet phase, Tezos' busiest hour.
Well, most of the market has gone quiet tezos has been
ramping up not with hype but with real momentum from etherlink picking up steam to new games
launching protocol upgrades moving forward and even tokenized uranium gaining traction. There's plenty going on if you know where to look.
If you want a quick read that cuts through the noise,
check out Markets Quiet Phase, Tezos' Busiest Hour by Kryptonio over at news.tezoscommons.org.
And in other news, if you want to understand what real execution in the tokenized asset space looks like, check out the latest article on spotlight.tezos.com.
Compliance, access, and real execution. What the industry needs to learn from Arcax and Trilitech.
It breaks down how the Uranium.io project came together, not just as a technical milestone, but as a working example of how Tezos, Arcax, and Trilitech tackled some of the toughest compliance and custody challenges head on.
This wasn't about hype. It's about showing what's actually possible when you play by the rules and still
build something new. Worth a read if you're serious about real world assets and what it takes
to actually launch them. Keeping up with Tezos shouldn't feel like a full-time job.
That's where the baking sheet comes in. Each week, it brings the latest Tezos news,
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and project highlights straight to your inbox.
No noise, no spam,
just a solid recap of what matters.
If you're tired of hunting for info across feeds,
this is the easy way to stay in the loop.
Subscribe at bakingsheet.tezoscommons.org
and get Tezos
updates the way they should be.
Clear, consistent,
and actually useful.
Tezos Community Rewards.
Tezos grows because of its community
and it's time to recognize
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The Tezos Community Rewards program is your chance to spotlight creators,
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Nominate them at tezoscommons.org slash rewards
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Let's make sure the real ones get seen.
All right, so that's the latest.
So now let's open this up.
This is your space to jump in,
whether you're working on something,
thinking through a proposal,
or just want to talk about the state of things.
Request to speak, and let's hear from you.
Kryptonio, you ready to see what the communities
got for us tonight absolutely man first of all can you hear me no i can't hear you what do you
say no i'm kidding i can hear you just fine that's what i wanted all right man how are you doing i am well thank you for asking how are you i'm good i'm good uh we had you know they take easter pretty seriously here in greece so it was
basically like a whole week of holidays for everybody here so i had family in town and
everything but uh yeah now it's over So back to my usual rhythms.
What about you?
Like, do you celebrate Easter that much over there or not? I used to.
I don't have much family out where we're living.
And that makes a big difference because then you're kind of like jumping into other people's family stuff.
And I think we live a good 1,200 miles from like our closest family.
So it's kind of tough to figure out how to get together.
Gotcha, yeah. like our closest family so it's kind of tough to figure out how to get together yeah yeah i was wondering mostly like uh like in the us in general you know if it's like
taken too seriously or not oh absolutely it is uh it is a very serious holiday um there's uh
huge communities that just get very mad that there are any businesses that are open there's
a lot of people that think well you know the ones that stay open are awesome i don't know it's it's a big thing yeah yeah but
yeah the holiday thing it's kind of big i don't really see people joining in uh just shared the
room let me just post it next to the group as well and yeah i hope that we'll get some people
up i get i see zero down there.
Now, I don't want to murder your name.
How do I say your name?
Is it Subrojit?
Oh, yes.
You pronounced me perfectly.
Oh, great.
Thank you for coming up.
How are you, sir?
Welcome, welcome.
I'm doing well.
How are you all?
Doing fantastic. But I'll get better. No worries. What are you all doing fantastic but i'll get better no worries
what are you working on sir awesome so i'm a photographer i'm from west bengal india
and i have been on this all since 2022 when i brought my friends from India who are hip-hop artists we were basically on
a very small platform in India which was only for Indians and it was like a small
music NFT scene and I brought them to Tezos and since then I have been sharing my photography as well
and also working on with those musicians and sharing their music NFTs. Just wanted to pop
up and say hi to all of you and was really excited to join this space. This is my first time joining
Tezos common space so So yes, hi.
Hey, thank you. Yeah, do you possibly have something you could pin to the top that you
might want to share with everyone? Or I don't know.
Yes, I will definitely take this opportunity and share my friend's music, some of the best
music on Tezos and my photography
we love music on Tezos
that is a niche place that needs to be
expanded, explored and pushed hard
so any more music we can find
and explore, share, share, share
please, please, please, thank you
and then yeah, your photography
please, we would love to
if you want to comment as a post
it will have some permanence after the space.
If you want to pin it in the thing thing on the top,
what are we calling it now?
I don't even know.
Elon's headliner?
I don't even know what it is.
If you want to stick it up there,
that's another spot too.
We would love to see some of it.
Sabra, I see that you are using Scarpy as well.
You're meeting there.
Yes, hi.
I think I have already pinned up the MusicNFT.
And yes, I am on Scarpy and I am also inviting my friends
and a few of them have also joined and it's an amazing experience there
it's a new platform so yes yeah i was gonna ask like how did you find it so far because i also
i'm also trying it out trying to post whenever i can but uh yeah we'd love to hear your
experience as well uh so as a creator um i'm enjoying the fact that now I have more option and I am not constrained
to any single marketplace.
I can also mint my NFTs somewhere else and it will also be reflecting on my object profile which is my primary which has always been my primary uh like
portfolio that i share with my friends and my collectors so that's amazing and the networking
part there or like communications over post and like retweets things are a bit slow uh like scurping uh it's called re-scurping so like
repeating here uh so when you do that it takes a bit longer time but every day they are working
on it it's a small team and they are very communicative they are always talking with us
and they are upgrading and it's getting faster day by day. And I have got some collectors on that platform,
some new collectors that I have never met before
who have collected my one by one photographs
and also additions.
So I am really enjoying it there
and hope to grow it, like grow with that platform.
That's awesome to hear man uh we actually had timmy from scurpy uh
in the previous community call we had i think blanks and he mentioned that you know they have
some growing pains because they have like a lot of users to get in at once but they as you said
they are constantly working on upgrading their infra and everything to make everything faster. And I think we should also mention that Skerpi will actually be our guest next
week. So definitely don't miss on that. He will be sharing more about the platform and
everything.
Yes, definitely. Sorry, can you hear me?
Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
Sorry.
Yes, I'll definitely look forward to the opportunity.
I am, like, sometimes timing don't match or else I'm at work.
But, yes, I have shared the music and FT on top
and also my photography.
Please do check it out
and hope you all follow my journey.
And yes, I'll be here.
Absolutely.
And thank you so much for sharing.
Thank you, man.
Appreciate you coming up here and sharing.
Well, if you're just joining us, this is our bi-weekly community call open discussion open mic feel free to request to
speak if you've got something to share now uh kryptonio do we have anything that you might
want to get into like uh i don't know, are you following the TVL on Etherlink?
Like, do you only count, like, what's locked?
Like, are you adding in borrows?
Like, I don't know, where are we at with this?
I mean, last time I checked, it was at, like, $22 million or something.
Did we go over that or not?
Well, that depends on how you calculate it.
Because, I mean, are we including the loans that are on-chain?
Do those count with locked value as well?
I think
we should, shouldn't we?
Well, then we're almost at $32 million.
Yeah.
Then it's DeFi Llama
that doesn't count the loans.
Oh, no, they do. You just have to go up
on the top right corner and it says
include in TVL and you select borrows.
Okay.
Okay, yeah, then I probably saw the one,
because I saw it today,
probably was without the borrows.
Yeah, without the borrows.
Here, I'll turn that off.
How much is it?
It looks like we're at 21.13 million.
That's pretty good.
That's a nice little push.
Yeah, but I also saw that it doubled in the last two or three weeks,
which is great.
And I think we can do, we will get even more.
People are still finding out about apple farm it's only been
like what one month out of the three that the season is gonna last so it's looking good and
still it has some juicy ap ap wise and aprs like well it's looking like iguana deck superland
uh midas hange and then what's Liquidity House? Something new
coming in.
It says prediction market.
We talked about this last couple weeks ago,
didn't we?
Oh, look. It's... Hello,
Skirpy. I see you down there.
Hello, Rob, Amir,
Tezos, Nola, Dope
AI, Ryan,
MB0, Tokyo, Helen, thanks for joining today.
I think I should start handing out invitations.
Well, I mean, we can shoot them.
Yeah, we can start just inviting people.
Yeah, yeah.
Just do it.
See if anyone comes up.
Like Amir, Amir can come up and talk about this open call that they had about the stadium, some sort of.
Oh, yeah, the stadium.
Are you going, Subraji, did you know that you could get your artwork,
maybe a photograph up on a stadium, like, you know, like a football stadium?
Yes, I already participated.
I'm excited for that.
Awesome.
That's so cool.
Look, you got Amir to step up.
Awesome. This is great.
Welcome, welcome.
Amir, how the heck are you?
Great. I'm good, too.
Thanks for asking.
Really, I had no idea.
No, I'm kidding.
I don't think he's talking.
No, I think he's just don't think he's talking.
No, I think he's just transitioning from the audience to the stage.
Probably. Amir, how are you, sir? Welcome, welcome.
Oh, you can't talk? He's got cry face.
Oh, yeah, probably. It didn't work. He didn't come up. It didn't work? He's just pretending to be up on stage?
I see him as a listener still.
Yeah, yeah, it failed.
We'll make it work is his his attempt to become a speaker backtracked
and we're trying again it made a noise sounded like it was successful can you hear me no can't hear you just kidding yeah hey brother welcome welcome
no we can hear you just fine you sound great oh damn i wanted to say some bad things but
i will not you know well i mean we can't edit it and it'd be no not inappropriate but i mean
we can't stop you you know okay no i don't want to rock. I just wanted to come up and say hi, and thanks for mentioning what you are doing.
I wanted to ask, how are you doing, by the way?
I'm on my bike, riding through the pharmacy.
Everything is fine, but, you know, it's a pretty new place, space to me to be in this space.
Did you say you're riding your bike
through the pharmacy?
To the pharmacy, too.
Gotcha, gotcha.
So, do they normally let you just bike around
inside the shop like that?
I mean, that seems a little dangerous.
Regularly, yes,
but they are asking me to
drink those pills.
My psychiatrists
say to take me.
I'm just trying.
Many people know me
as a king of a shitty ghost.
But now,
is this some sort of
maybe like loss prevention?
Like some sort of new thing?
Do you have a big flashing light
that you wear
while you're riding around in the store on your bike?
Like, are you going really fast?
Are you just kind of coasting?
You imagine if he had like a hat with like a flashing like red light on the top
and he's literally inside like with a whistle.
My phone just fell down.
My phone just fell down.
No, you're good.
No, you're good.
You're good.
You're good.
I had to stop and get back to put it from the floor.
Oh my God, man.
That's crazy.
You're going too fast in the store, huh?
Yeah, exactly.
So yeah, like the true Tezos discussion.
I'm so sorry, guys.
I feel like I should not be here because i feel like
i'm rugging the whole space sorry for that no no the more you talk about riding your bike around
in the pharmacy the more people keep showing up in the space so i'm down oh yeah actually
that's like a complete new new way of attracting people to the desert spaces you know
riding a bike uh selling my having my phone you know everything like that so yeah yeah sorry sorry
let me give you the mic and then get back to welcome to the stage as well scurpy uh i believe
we have you up here do you want me to refer to you as Scurpy? Would you like to be the Scurpster, Scurporama, the Scurpinator?
Like, I don't know.
How do we refer to you?
Scurp, maybe.
Scurpy works.
Well, one second.
Let me take my InvisiLine out because my girlfriend tells me I sound like I have a lisp very badly.
One second.
Ah, but you'll have straight teeth and that's all that matters.
Yes, sir. All right, it's out. Yes out yes what's up guys uh greetings and salutations i do listen anonymously sometimes because i don't
like to always show my face but i do like to hear what's going on and lurk in the weeds like a rare
pokemon but you're allowed to thank you and i appreciate you blangs and kryptonian um and uh yeah man it's just pretty
awesome i would say being on tezos and uh if you're not on tezos which i'm assuming most people
here are it's definitely the place to build there is a vibrant community of creators and collectors
and um that's it man i think it's just super underrated you go to any other blockchain i
don't think you'll find that many people pound for pound that interact with the blockchain like tezos has like real interactions right not just weird transactions
so that they qualify a wallet for an airdrop right yes like actually people that interact
they mint stuff they buy self they transfer stuff right like people that are actually doing stuff
you know if you're looking for that vibrant ecosystem i think it's tezos so and also like
i am completely okay with the other marketplaces and everything.
I want to make that clear.
Like, I think it's important that other people create new marketplaces, new products on Tezos.
Because, you know, the coin has been going down.
You know, maybe, you know, the trading volume has been going down from a few years ago.
It's important we have new products and new things come out on Tezos.
So, you know, I'm all open open for that i think that's very important now are you
at all uh involved on any of the other sides not just the art side but have you been dabbling at
all at the uh etherlink l2 stuff that's going on at all no i mean i know about it i hear you guys
talk about the tvl and stuff no the problem is i'm just so focused on the l1 right now building
out what we have that i really just can't spend time i would say developing evm wise i i don't
fight brother i think that's a beautiful thing i don't i can't say you're doing it wrong in fact
i find in most cases when people are very very focused on what they're trying to accomplish
the the world around them disappears they suddenly don't even remember that there is a Super Bowl
let alone who's playing in it you know so it's I was just curious if maybe you were dabbling that's
all no I haven't but yeah you can't do you can't do everything and there's so many different
obviously when you put an incentive out there it just makes sense for them to to come there and
build different products so I hope either link successful and gets more eyes on Tezos, but I concentrate on the L1.
You know, that's always been the thing for me.
I was building Scorpio originally on Polygon
and it was confusing
because you had to get certain Matic on Polygon,
Matic on ETH.
It became so confusing that I was like,
I need to build this on an L1,
you know, that's scalable, that's fast, that's green.
And it just all, it just checked out Tezos.
It has an actual economy of people that are used to using it. It's, you know, that's fast, that's green. And it just all, it just checked out Tezos. It has an
actual economy of people that are used to using it. It's, you know, it's, it's one coin. I don't
have to swap or transfer or bridge or anything. So Tezos is just, is, is just for me, it's my
favorite, favorite blockchain, to be honest. But, and there's other great blockchains as well. I'm
sure you guys know, but yeah, Tezos is a super, you know, as you see, Scurpy, I didn't, I wasn't super connected
beforehand launching it with the, you know, the old guard or the people that are, you
know, but I've been on Tezos for years and years buying art and I've known about it for
years and years, but I didn't, you know, I just kind of acted on my own.
I think it's important that you take initiative on your own and you don't wait around, right,
for funding or grants or any of those things.
You just do and you make it happen.
And at least you have something.
You can constantly fix it and revise it and really figure out what your product should be.
So I'm super stoked to be on Ted's.
And you guys know I come in here ranting for a couple minutes, and I listen, and then I lurk away.
I walk away.
Oh, well, I'm not going to inundate you with questions.
That's next week.
We get to do that.
We get to get you for an hour where I get to just pick you apart.
I'm kidding.
I'm so looking forward to this and I appreciate you agreeing.
So thank you.
next week,
folks,
remember to stop on by,
we're having the chat with the scurpinator scurper rum,
scurper rum,
the ding.
I'm kidding.
Anyway.
yeah,
I don't know.
That was one of my favorite
Rob Schneider
that whole sorry that was
just it's a good one you know
like it won't fly
in today's day and age you can't be that guy
you go to HR and get fired because
you offended somebody but anyway
Kevin hey another L1
proponent and man of the
the Tezos world.
How the heck are you, sir?
Welcome, welcome.
Hello?
Good, good, yes.
And as ScurpyDude was talking,
I was realizing something else or something I wanted to bring up.
It's because we're in a situation of
like like we're about the l2 expansion era for tezos and like there's that narrative and the
place of that as like part of this tezo sex thing and like that we're going to be able to have these
high functioning apps that like without with all the stuff we loved before but now like without the hindrances of
um like not having sub-second block times and uh or or being able to just um or with the risk
and the world that that opens up everything even including ultimately hardware um you know i mean
like what it will be for gaming and all of that. And then there's the narrative
of Etherlink, okay, and the EVM compatibility. And it just happens to be we're at this like moment
in time where the first and only L2 that we have on Tezos happens to be Etherlink so it gets um so i think there had been um like mixed interpretations
and i i've seen conversations like happen over the last uh in like increasingly this was like
always like a thing but like like what prompted me like in the last week is i think since apple
farm came to be um there's just been a lot more talk about the overall narrative of Tezos and remembrance of that and realigning and recentering ourselves.
Okay, got all our chakras aligned. We know who we are. I am you and you are me.
No, no, it's too old.
Anyway, so, yeah, so I did a space the other day,
and that's the only link I found.
It doesn't have a caption with it.
I'll find the other one.
But, yeah, so we talked about it.
I went through kind of like the chronology of events,
but, you know, after you do it, I still think like,
oh, there's so much more context to cover, like, as we kind of condense what this is.
So it should probably be, we'll have more of these, but yeah, I pinned it up, uh, up there.
Um, so yeah.
And the thing is, it's like, I think it was kind of said in a very mixed way or like explained in a very mixed way early on.
Uh, like back when it was still like there was
no tesla sex roadmap yet and it was just um like it like there was etherlink and that was like a
demo and it was in development it's like okay let's make this this larger thing at first they
were thinking to do it uh with defy and then they moved into like other areas. But it's product market fit in its own kind of world.
The initial narrative was, let's get,
for people who want to build on Tezos,
but they don't want to rebuild their app entirely,
they can just deploy their DAP on Etherlink.
And then it became, so it was like a,
but that Tezos was still better. You should do it here.
Here's the thing we have for you to come in,
and you get all the benefits of that.
Of course, you'd want that.
If you're going to do an EVM,
maybe one day you'll make a Mickelson version.
But that was the implicit narrative.
Obviously, we put value to our identity and existence.
But then you can come here on that end.
But given its own, it wasn't like Tezos EVM,
it was Etherlink.
It has its own independent identity.
I think in experimenting with different branding approaches,
some people of course got the wrong idea of it.
Of course, if you're coming in with other theories and negativities and FUD of all other kinds, for whatever reason, I mean, there's always a natural level of that in any ecosystem, then you're going to affix whatever the topic of the day is at the moment.
So they saw, oh, why is Ether getting um like all these uh like the apple farm
incentives and it's like well you could also think of it the other way around it's like we we have
been all about organic growth and everything and therefore if we are going to experiment with for
the first time ever literally the first time ever we ever had kind of a sanctioned farming campaign of some sort where it was funded and serious and very formal and coming at a unique time in the cycle, actually, because it's not like we're at peak DeFi yet.
We're in the early curve of things.
So there's that.
I think that's the thing that really confused people it was just more like um and i'll stop at this point uh let me pause you
for a second because i see amir has his hand up and maybe he has a question related to what you
said amir yeah i keep looking at the hand maybe he just put it I think that's an actor. I think he's riding his bike.
Oh, never mind.
No, I'm still alive.
No, I just, I didn't want to interrupt Kevin.
This is why I raised my hand.
So I will step up after his speech.
Sorry and thanks.
Isn't it ironic?
I think he's done.
So, okay, your turn.
Your turn, Amir.
No, it's done. Okay, your turn. Your turn, Amir. No, it's cool.
There are people who do that.
I think it's a cultural thing.
I know a lot of people who, for them,
it's just like the hand means something else.
You're actually...
It's out of respect.
You're putting a lighter up or something.
I don't know anyway where
was i the disconnect between uh what etherlink represents nothing to do with what i was talking
about and then the the actual value that etherlink provides so that was the confusion yeah so if it's
if it's the first time we're doing that then of course you'd want it on you know over there um
and i imagine that like uh you know it's it's styled season one of apple farm and of course you'd want it on, you know, over there. And I imagine that like, you know,
it's styled season one of Apple Farm.
And of course, like we have a learning curve with it, right?
Like we're going to iterate and get better
and that kind of thing.
And it doesn't, there's no reason
I would necessarily have to be on Etherlink
or even in L2 going forward.
I personally very much advocate that, you know,
now that we've injected
that in the ecosystem and i think maybe at a much smaller level like what's one tenth of this
300 000 yeah do an experiment on the l1 for that and then see how that goes and then use that to
expand if you know with validated you know gradation of of escalation of it you know
i feel like if this is successful, they could repeat it,
maybe tighten it up and make it more effective in ways that it wasn't.
I think we have to start somewhere. And I think it was,
it's a big number and a lot of people can't wrap their head around it.
That's the only problem, you know?
And, and it's also relative, you know, because I think for,
and maybe it was too much or whatever but
that's okay like it's either going to be a little too much or a little bit less or
you know too much but like there was like it's always framing effects and so we have to empathize
for that as well whereas the norm for this kind of thing is like in the tens of millions at a time
um and that's like competitive there which also does re-em does emphasize why we never did this before.
If you're starting to gain questions on the solidity of that,
and like, wait a minute,
aren't we just getting people who are notoriously flaky with their liquidity?
In fact, they're basically doing that professionally,
and they move on to the next thing.
Their loyalty is just as long as you continuously pay them that amount.
And also it's like these platforms like Galaxy and what's the one they did this one on?
Whatever, there's a few of them out there.
Yeah, like they're platforms for incentive farming.
So there are enough companies or foundations or startups or whatever that are able to put the money together
to do this kind of thing, that there are companies out there that, like there are multiple companies
out there that facilitate those types of programs.
So money moves around all the time.
So you want to keep them there.
And the idea of Etherlink is to create a platform or to have a platform where people can come and uh and want to build but maybe having some base liquidity that wouldn't hurt it doesn't
mean it's taking away necessarily from the organic growth of it but it like it takes away that
initial kind of like um what do you call it like that that, you know, the, the first like chunk,
the seed amounts that like says, okay,
this is enough for me to try and even think about participating in.
I don't need much, but I need a little something, you know,
like there are those liquidity providers. Like if you see, okay,
I see a million in the tank. I can get in like this,
but it's a lot harder when it's uh like a a small
fraction of that so hopefully enough of this retains and i i think of etherlink as a uh like
in my head it's been this more and more like a port city it's kind of like this import export place that is specializing in the EVM dominion.
That's our conduit to that world where things can be...
It's not just bridging over to EVM.
It's an optimized way of doing that.
And then it can cross-interact with other ecosystems in its own way.
I think that would happen anyway,
but we've seen different ecosystems handle this kind of thing differently.
Like I think with, I might be confusing them, but, or switching them up.
With Tron, they have, I think it's a T Tron EVM,
or like Tron TVM? Is that what it is?
I don't know.
I don't remember how it's called.
And for Avalanche, their chain is the C-chain
where all the smart contracts are.
That is an EVM chain.
They call it their C-chain,
one of three chains that make the thing called Avalanche.
But this one, this whole thing, it's in the EVM format.
Okay?
So that's how they do it.
There are many ways of doing it. So this is an interesting
relationship.
And to also have it canonical,
so it's an official
thing
by what we call Tezos.
Are you even canonical bro?
The protocol actually adopts it.
Are you even canonical bro?
I know.
I mean it could just be a third party, right?
You got to watch out for these.
But I like how Arthur actually said that Etherlink is not as much
an L2 but it is like
more of an extension
of Tezos
it's not like a separate
like a specialized extension
especially
because especially in the end with Tezos X
Etherlink and Tezlink
and all this other stuff will be one
but as you said
I agree there has
been a lot of confusion and a lot of um people seeing it as a separate thing which right now
it looks like it is but that's not going to be the case in the future you know when
when the whole state of the l1 is going to migrate it's tough when every other l2 literally exists
off the other one if that makes sense and
then when we're talking about us having one it's they don't understand that it's just an expression
of the l1 but uh before we go much further kevin real quick i want to he brought up something so
important though and that was the other thing the yet the migration narrative of what's gonna go to what i think just the way in
which that's framed feels different when it's like yeah we're we're upgrading from tezos to
teslink versus we're gonna have this thing called ether okay hold on kevin hold on hold on dude we're
gonna go deep before even ryan gets a chance to. He's been up here forever and he hasn't said a word. What a polite gentleman.
Moshi Moshi Tanaka-san, genki desu ka?
Hi, genki desu.
Thank you. Can you hear me?
Hi, hi so desu.
Oh, man.
You speak fluent?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Nihongo ga mario kuwakere ma se.
Well, let's not make it weird for people
Well, it's really funny because I said I don't understand Japanese at all and I said it to you in formal Japanese
which makes me look like a pakatara, but whatever, right?
Wait, what is this? Ryan, the other day I looked up hardest languages to learn and Japanese was the hardest language
Really?
I think it's amazingly elegant and simple once you get the basics down
holy crap yeah you have to try you have to try georgian trust me it's like you know in some ways
chinese is like a lot of memorization but it's the the you know the language itself is pretty simple
but uh like japan has japanese has like the weird euphemisms of, like, Western languages combined with, oh, yeah, and then now you gotta memorize bajillion characters, right?
So, okay, well, I don't know.
No, I'm sorry, I interrupted you, Ryan, don't hate me.
I don't know.
Hey!
Hey!
Good to see you, and good to see everybody here.
And Zero, if you guys don't know, Zero was an amazing guest on my last speech.
I mean, space.
Why am I here?
Your last speech.
I got it.
Can't talk.
I was there.
I was there.
Yeah.
I'm going to vouch and say is um the hardest to learn you know just to vibe a little bit off of
what was already being said because it's not just the characters obviously you have that
in other Asian languages but the whole thing where like there's like literally three ways to say
I'm sorry for instance and like that goes throughout the whole culture like if you're
sorry just because you did something silly right it, it's gomen nasai, right?
Yeah.
If somebody is sick or, you know, they just broke up with their boyfriend, like, okino do kuni.
But if, like, somebody died, then it's like, oh, shu shu sama desu.
And it's like, there's full.
I mean, the language is just full of shit like that.
Sumimasen.
Sumimasen.
It drives me nuts.
Sumimasen.
Sumimasen is a good casual
I guess so
it's hard because a lot of the
language is structured around
appropriateness
you know
I just take it as
my job in Japan was always
to make sure whoever I'm talking to wasn't embarrassed
and their job was to keep me from embarrassing myself.
And as long as we did that, we would have the best time ever, even if we were 12-year-old kids.
But yeah, that was kind of how I felt.
Yeah, it's very easy to offend people there.
I lived in Washington State, man.
It's very easy to offend people there.
I don't know.
Every language has their thing, right?
English is hard to talk to people.
It's just because our words don't mean anything.
You have to piece it together from every conversation.
Well, Ryan, welcome, welcome.
Sorry.
Now, did you have a question for Kevin,
or can I let Kevin continue with TezLink?
I'm just here to
remind people of TezCon
June 28th,
29th.
So we're having our official day
on the 28th, and then we're having
a day of music on the 29th.
So, you know, if you happen to be in the seattle
area or you can make it uh you know be great but we will be live streaming the um event as well
so yeah that's about it and you know just just to follow up on like kevin's almost kevin's points
i do think yeah even i was kind of confused when they first launched the ether
link thing but over time I'm kind of starting to get it now you know I'm like okay this this makes
sense you know and um because there's a lot of apps out there that we would love to work on but would require that kind of throughput right with that things
like etherlink can provide and and for someone that's well used to be in the the ethereum
ecosystem i can kind of like vouch for the fact that it's a mess over there you know regarding l2s and yeah so
so the fact that it's like you know we have an official version of it is is actually bigger than
you know a lot of people think i think so um you know it gives like sort of a legitimacy to the L2s that they were never able to get up until now, I would argue.
Yeah, and I, this was one of the good things about, and there are a few really good notes about what happened with the DCA accelerator.
And I think it should continue
in in an iterated form um when i was like the whole etherlink presentation happened in like this uh
uh event where we had all the vcs um it was like a dinner for all the vcs and um you know so
like uh people could explain nico uh was going around explaining,
you know, and of course, like when he's,
he was working on all parts of the stack.
So he's amazingly talented that he could do that.
Like the business side and the technical side and the coordination and all of that. I have other specific problems, but like, but yeah, that,
But yeah, that cannot be contended.
that's, you know, cannot be contended.
It was interesting hearing how the VCs would talk about what they heard when they were talking to each other.
Because in that sense, there was this sort of reflection in their mind of where the value really is.
Like where that trust and value would make this a great asset, these companies good
investments, all of that.
And they're speaking it in a language that they speak to each other.
And the way that I heard it reflected that I hadn't thought of before, but it was a really
big deal to them that this was baked into the protocol, that this is an official L2
from Tezos.
That's how they would say it. So it's an official l2 from tezos that's how they would say it
so it's an official l2 from tezos like it's like okay that's what it was led with and that showed
me also oh they're like starving for something that has more certainty than the infinite amounts
of l2s you see at goddamn eth cc ethTH Denver, all of those things.
It's like, it's just fragmentation paralysis
if you're a builder or investor, you know?
So it's like, here's some answers.
Now we just got to sell them on like why Tezos is like that much.
We remind them, you know, why they thought that in the first place
and they should remember, no, no, no, it's even stronger now.
And here's why.
Come here, kid.
Yeah, yeah, no, no. It's even stronger now. And here's why. Come here, kid. Yeah. Yeah, no, I completely agree. And, um, you know, I love to,
I'm working on, uh, music related things here and,
and the idea of like making a streaming service, you know,
came up several times comes about a time actually, but, um,
you know, the problem with doing it on the L1, of course it's too slow,
but the problem we're doing on an L2 is that you don't know if that's going to be there in a couple of years.
Especially if there's thousands and thousands of people out there, literally.
I think it's a good idea.
We'll take a look at it in a similar in a similar place where you know there's only
so much you can do you know i i think the the scorpion guy kind of sits in something similar
right you only can do so much so we're focused on that but uh you know things go well and and uh
people see the need for it you know the, the tech is there and that's,
that's pretty nice.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then,
just one more thing.
and then I'll be quiet.
No more things.
go ahead.
no, no,
no, no,
no, no, no,
no, no,
no, no,
no, no, no,
no, no,
no, no,
no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no know, and this, this hurts even me kind of a lot. Cause you know, I do most of my work here now, but, um, it's where my people,
you know, like the markets go up and down and, and the most important thing is
that we keep on building and I'm not worried long-term because, you know,
cause of like meetings like this and, and people show up and they care and that's what's
that's what's gotten you know a lot of the uh even the projects that we know as being huge now
through the winter times so um just it was interesting because just today you know now
that the market has kind of died down a bit um there's less noise out there and just today, you know, now that the market has kind of died down a bit,
there's less noise out there.
And just today, someone like a friend of mine that I haven't talked to in years,
she reached out to me wanting to talk about Tezos.
And like she's like a very like active composer in LA.
We used to be friends there back when I used to live there.
She's on the board of
BMI. Do you guys know
BMI?
We all know BMI.
BMI.
I don't know what it actually stands for.
Body Mass Index.
Yeah, it's close.
No, but it was kind of like uh they keep track of what is being performed on the airwaves you know like on tv radio and they're very very uh long-standing
traditional um organization but yeah she was just like you you know, they're, they're tracking all this shit on, on Excel spreadsheets and then sometimes they lose it.
And, you know, I'm like, so she wanted to talk about like, Hey, where's a good place?
You know, the blockchain is made for this stuff, you know?
And so, yeah, so we're going to have a meeting like next month and see what happens. happens but um it's it's kind of hard to sum up sometimes but it's when things kind of died down
a little when the opportunities start to pop up right just because oh oh i saw your post about
teslos now that you know there's there's not not as much as uh you know uh scams going on.
I'm just looking for reasons to stay positive.
Broadcast Music Incorporated, BMI.
Yeah, it's BMI, ASCAP, and SoundExchange. If you're a musician, those are good organizations to know
because they kind of run, you know, the background, you know, all the accounting stuff relating to the music industry.
And, you know, they're struggling too.
You know, they haven't adapted to the digital age very well.
And they're looking for, they're still looking for solutions like this.
So, um, let's hope we check some boxes
for them. That would be awesome.
Yeah, I hope so.
But it's just
nice to see
stuff like that.
Looks like a great establishment. They've been around for a long time.
40s.
No, no.
They're
Yeah.
Well, welcome to the stage, MB.
And also, I just noticed, I apologize,
District Mimi.
Shout out to the gay community. Let's go.
Oh, all right. Shout out to everybody.
Thank you for that. I'm so happy.
Yeah, we're doing a
Tessus community space. How the heck are you?
What are you working on here in the space?
I'm just happy that we have deliverance
so we can reset the whole nation
and the whole metrics.
Okay, cool.
Well, we can't actually talk about that here
because this is a Tezos space, but we appreciate
the excitement. No, I'm talking about Tesla.
We're talking about Tezos, yeah.
Yeah, I am. Okay, that's good.
It's a Tesla. Oh, yeah, we're talking about
Tezos with an O.
There's no O in Tesla, unfortunately.
See, what you're doing, what you don't see, I just was, don't do that to people already
here that got it.
Why are you going to copy off somebody else and still live?
You put a door where they, like, if Elon wasn't here, you can't.
All right.
Hey, I got to cut you off here.
I appreciate you. Thank you you can't. All right. Hey, I got to cut you off here. I appreciate you.
Thank you for coming up.
All right.
Well, MB, hey, do you want to chat, MB?
What's going on?
Hey, everyone.
Sorry to disappoint.
This is not cool.
We are here.
What's going on, Rubens?
How are you?
Hello, hello. He's not here. What's going on, Rubens? How are you? Hey.
Hello, hello.
Sorry, as usual, my devices didn't send the speaker requests.
So I tried everything, and this was the solution.
Hi, guys.
Since this is a community call, I wanted to come here
and invite you all for our festivities next month. It will be
TTC third anniversary so we have a full month's plan with activities and you know us right
stronger together so we wanted to try to include as much of TESzos as we can and since it's our third anniversary
we will have three major events. I don't know if you remember the first treasure hunt we
did like two years ago, so we are going to do the second one. Last time we included
12 projects, we are now contacting some projects to join us on the treasure hunt.
So basically, anyone who wants to join, they will need to find the clues hidden by those projects.
And then you'll be able, if you find the clues to open the treasure and we have some cool prizes there we've been saving up
for this anniversary for a year now and thanks to your dedication and nominations we managed to put
aside some cool nfts some tezos also and since this treasure hunt will be mainly focused on projects we are
also doing an art contests it will be also our second art contest it will be
open to all the whole community and it will be the community that will choose
the winners and it will be Texas prizes in this case. And we'll also, for those who are more DGEN and want to compete,
we'll also do an XP rush at Zilli with a lot of quests.
Those quests will include also projects.
We can, on the quests, include artists that might not participate in the art contest. So I think it will be something for everyone to enjoy and participate in our third anniversary.
And of course, we'll keep our regular activities.
We'll just try to pimp up the prizes a bit because it's a party, right?
So what's a party, right? So what's a party without prizes? And thankfully to the art we've been collecting
during the Support Artist Days over this year,
and also to some cool donations.
We have cool prizes like Dogamis, we'll have Otas,
we'll have Troopers, we'll have Devils.
Amanda Arts is doing a token of participation for the treasure hunt for
those who manage to get to the treasure, even though someone might already taken the loot,
you will also get a participation gift.
And of course we'll have a lot of art we've been collecting for a long time.
We give all to the community, we've been collecting for a long time we give all to the community we've
been giving them week by week but on the anniversary we are trying to to do something
special for the community and i hope you enjoy what we are planning and of course to participate
in the events we are still talking with some projects, so some of you better check
your DMs, please.
Check your DMs, folks.
TTC reaching out. Important stuff
going on here, folks. This is a big deal.
Come on, guys.
Yeah, it's our third anniversary.
It's been
like a rollercoaster,
but it's very rewarding
and TTC is here for the community by the community
and Max Z is also placed.
So Joe, both Joe Skulls and Joe Simon, they are doing the contracts for it, so it will
be cool.
And yeah, we want to invite you all to check it out and be a part of our celebrations.
And thank you for the time.
Well, thank you for coming up.
Yeah, thank you for sharing that, Rubisco.
First of all, I want to say I am disappointed because I thought that for the first time I was going gonna see MB up on the stage and you tricked me.
It's not the first time. I'm the AI assistant.
Yeah, I know, but he has never comes up. So I said this is the time. This is the time. And it wasn't.
Anyway, maybe for the anniversary we can convince him let's see
let's do that actually but i wanted to say that um for the treasure hunt so it will be like uh
people will have to find the clues on different projects in their websites and their discords
like could you explain a little bit more on that yes last time we only did with projects that had a website because some
people don't like to use discord some people don't like to use telegram don't use x so we wanted to
find a platform or a place where anyone can go to and a browser everyone has a browser and they can access it
because last time what we did is we created a wallet the treasure wallets and the clues were
the words of the seed phrase so basically people had to collect those 12 words and then they could import the wallet and access the wallet directly this time we are
doing it differently so we are opening it to more than 12 words so people will still have to find
those words but we'll changing things up so that we can include projects that only have discord lights called
the gen project for instance and other artists that do live streams or do spaces but don't have
a web page so we will each day post the place where people can go and find the clue. It can be a website, it can be another platform,
and people will collect more clues than they will need
so that we can be inclusive.
Some of the clues will also be quests on Xili.
Finding the clue will allow you to complete quests at Xili too.
quests at Zilli too so we are trying to interconnect the events but without
So we are trying to interconnect the events,
making them mandatory to participate in all the events if you just want to do
the Zilli you can just do Zilli and you still have prizes specifically for Zilli
if you just want to create arts and participate in the art contest you can
do so and if you only want to do
the treasure hunt even though some clues might be at Zilli you don't need to go
to Zilli to have enough clues to access to the treasure so as always we are
trying to come up with ways that we can include as much people as want to
participate and those who want to participate don't have any
hurdle because of technical difficulties or whatever might happen in any part of
the world so we are trying to take that in consideration but it will be easy and
anyone if they pay attention because it will be a rush right till the end the first person who opens
the treasure gets to loot so you better step up and be ready to to go to the treasure to try to
open it but we want it to not be too easy like posting the clue but but also not be exclusive or
shutting people out just because of the place
where the clues are or because it's too difficult.
We did have some crazy ideas, you know how Skulls Army is.
And also OPEC, they always try to play with your mind,
but I want things to be accessible for everyone,
so you don't need to be a dev, a tech,
know how to know code or to translate to binary or stuff
like they were trying to do.
So it will be easy.
You just need to pay attention to where the clues is
and get to the treasure first
yeah you'll just need to be able to code in michaelson to be able to and it really helps
if you have like a degree in cryptography uh maybe if maybe you have some friends at langley to help
you break some of these backdoor codes down that was the issue with the last one and it was very underwhelming because I think it was on
the 10th or on the 11th clue. So it was 12 clues, 12 words hidden on projects. Tezotopia hit one,
Otis did an amazing job creating, they worked with tomato, they put the Hotez bots blurping a tomato,
teasy raffles, they had a lot of fake clues all over the site teasing you.
So people were very inventive and it was doing great.
But someone brute forced the seed and got the treasure before the last clue.
And also the order was supposed
because the words they were not given in order.
The 13th clue would have been the correct order
and it would be TTC to give that.
So we didn't even need to do that
because someone brute force the remaining words missing.
So this time we are doing it differently.
We are not sharing how we're doing it.
But yeah, last time it happened.
So we are trying to take measures to be fair.
Well, I think that sounds awesome.
And I applaud you and the crew
thank you so much for everything you guys do
another example
like Skirpy said you just gotta do it
and then it kinda all starts happening
so great job
thank you guys
I hope you enjoy it too
well thank you
now Amir we skipped over you
I do apologize
you were supposed to come talk right after Kevin was done,
and that's on me.
I got distracted by Mimi because that thing threw me for a loop.
And then we'll get to Red.
I know your hand, you've gone up twice now,
so we're just around the corner.
Go ahead, Amir.
Yeah, thanks.
Did I lose my chance to share this about the stadium initiative by
the way yeah you lost it Mimi came through and took all your no go ahead
share please share yeah I just wanted to to be quick yeah yeah, we're hosting this, in my opinion, amazing opportunity for artists in Tezos.
So you can actually get your art on the real stadium on Cyprus. You can see it on top of the
space right now. So we are collaborating with football club A Paris from the beautiful city of Limassol in Cyprus.
They were champions of Cyprus in last season, I guess.
Also, they played in Europe League, which is pretty massive.
They played in the group stage.
They played against some amazing rivals, amazing teams like Glasgow Rangers and Real Betis from Spain.
So, you know, this stadium is pretty cool.
I think that even Spanish teams, Spanish national team were playing there on that stadium,
like superstars like Firmino Malo, Alvaro Morata, you know, so many European football superstars played on the stadium, Alpha Mega.
And we had a great chance, you know, to collaborate together with a football club.
Paris, ITES, OnRamp of Ramp Solution and CryptoPayment System.
And of course, ART object so i we decided like um our
chains was our changes like our project uh one like my project that i've been hosting for for
for a while and um we had the privilege you know to be organizers of this event. And what we're actually doing, we are allowing everyone to
submit their art for free, for sure. And object team will curate a few pieces. I will let
you know, we will let you know the exact number a bit later. And those pieces will be highlighted on the main scoreboard of the Alpha Mega Stadium in
front of the crowd during the matches. So I think there will be two more
matches in this season so your art will be highlighted in front of the
whole crowd, in front of teams, in front of TV cameras and all the stuff also I think that we
will be I hope we'll be able to negotiate and to make it to get your art
not only on the stadium scoreboard but also on the press conferences space
which means that your pieces will get to all the Cypriot and sports media and
also in the fan shop of Aris Football Club so what you can do you can just go
to the post on top of the space just read the terms carefully at least it's
not hard it's totally free and yeah you have to have
your artwork on Tezos minted on Tezos blockchain ideally an object but not a
mandatory and that basically object team will curate a few pieces I think it will
be 10 or 15 but I'll let you know a bit later. And yeah, we'll be doing our best to
highlight your art the best way and then to deliver some good video and photo
materials of how it was. And yeah, ARIS Football Club is already
supporting our initiative. We also have like super cool videos that we get from Connor Goulton,
a great English player who is playing for Paris this season.
He's been playing for Glasgow Rangers, for Brighton,
some amazing British teams. So we will have some more promo from football players.
So yeah, guys, that's super exciting.
And the main thing that I'm really proud about
is that we're doing that for the Tezos community
because I've been in Tezos for three years
and it's always great to do something
outside of the box I've been used to living,
and doing some, to me, me it's like it's the
biggest project I believe I ever made you know myself so this is why you know
I will put everything into that project and to make it the best way possible so
please do not hesitate and submit your artworks we will keep pushing Tezos art
into the new horizons no
matter what and yeah let's do it let's do it together thank you so much for giving the mic
for your amazing space guys i really enjoy to be here and listen to you all and uh christina thank
you so much for waiting thanks guys absolutely man and just to mention that the deadline is until April 25th.
So get right on it, guys.
Yeah, go and submit your art for the tweets and follow the directions that they give you in the tweet that I have pinned up in the space.
Also to mention, Amir, that when you mentioned that the Aries played in the Europa League,
European will know, but Europa League is basically where Manchester United is also playing right
now.
It's like the same competition from teams all around the European countries.
So yeah,
it's a big thing.
And it's all about puzzles,
right?
Absolutely.
We'll get over the whole Europa League,
obviously.
Let's go. You know, we just had to frame that conversation appropriately well just a quick reminder there's no a script tonight we're here to talk with the community so jump in when you're
ready that that goes for you too red how are you i don't know i mean i think i might need some
words of encouragement to open my mouth because all of a sudden I'm so scared of being on a microphone. It's scarier than death. Oh, my God. Can you help?
Some people do feel that and some people are afraid. But, you know, we're not here to push people to do things they're unwilling to do. We just push them to do things that they're uncomfortable doing.
doing oh anyway no no i love that but i mean honestly and thank you blangs and always good
to see uh all you beautiful people right now ryan was actually with me earlier which is amazing
but i'm actually glad that i had the opportunity to hear mb and amir speak because now i have
questions for them but if ryan doesn't mind i still would like to circle back and have questions
for him.
Just because that's originally why I put my hand up in the first place. I'll speak for Ryan and say, go ahead.
Oh, well, why don't we start with MB and Amir and my questions for them.
So I'll start with MB.
I followed you and thanks for the following back.
But like on terms of what you're curating and everything
I couldn't find it on your page
So maybe I'm looking in the wrong place
It is MB, right?
Yeah, just to clarify real quick
It is Rubisco on MB's account
You can see Oro, aka Rubisco down in the audience That's who is speaking right now on MBIS account. You can see Oro, a.k.a. Rubisco, down in the audience.
That's who is speaking right now through MBIS account.
And the TTC that she mentioned and all the competitions and everything
is basically the Tezos community account, which is also down in the audience.
So, yeah.
Sorry if I answered for you, Rubisco, but go ahead.
You did a great job. Thank you.
I'm sorry.
Okay, yeah, I always get confused with the whole multiple accounts thing.
But now I can know where to follow that and to look when you're doing your art contests and all of that fun stuff.
stuff. So then my next question is for Amir. Obviously, what you're doing is fantastic.
So then my next question is for Amir.
But how do you feel about submission of music pieces, specifically ones that are AI generated
music videos? Me personally? Yeah, like, is it a good submission? or is the music just going to be gone if I send my stuff in to you?
I think it will be because I don't believe that we will have an opportunity to translate music.
We have only scoreboard.
But you know what?
Do you have visuals?
Oh, yeah.
I bet you.
No, all of my stuff does.
I mean, as a matter of fact, I mean, I'm not bragging, I'm just going to spit facts here for a second.
I've had some of my stuff at Art Basel, at NFT NYC and in some other places too.
But every single time the music was never played, but they always had the visuals. As long as, I mean, except for the
one time where they didn't play the animation, that was weird. But if you played the animation
and there was just not any music for it, like, you know, I mean, that's fine because we can't
have like, if everybody had their music going, right, and they had visuals, that would make no
sense for you to have all these competing sound pieces going on.
But, yeah, I mean, yeah, there's plenty of visuals, you know, that I would have to incorporate with that.
And if you had some other place that you thought I should mint besides object, OK.
But otherwise, Ryan and I had a conversation about an organization that is no longer with Tezos where I minted.
And now it's just
gone,
disappeared in the abyss.
And I would like to remint that piece.
I'm not trying to reverse Ryan.
What marketplace was it?
It was called TNS.xyz.
It's just gone.
Like it's on the blockchain somewhere,
but nobody could find it, you know? And then if it's okay gone. Like it's on the blockchain somewhere, but nobody could find it,
you know? And then if it's okay with Ryan, I wanted to ask him a little bit about his services.
Sure, I'm here. Oh, amazing. You're here. You were tapping into something that I was having
conversation with one of my Shana friends about streaming and whatnot.
Because obviously Spotify is evil.
We already know this.
And you're a hardcore musician.
So you get it.
So are you working on adding streaming in a way that puts Spotify to shame?
Is it live streaming?
I just want to know more because there's so much
that can be done
to improve the streaming model.
And I trust that you have good intentions.
Oh, I, no, no, no.
I've been wanting to do this for so long,
but, you know, like,
we could cut corners
and just, like, you know,
spin up a website
and put it on a database somewhere. Right. But
is the reason why like, a lot of the web three music sites have struggled against the incumbents
is because they kind of, you know, like, if you don't have these things like actually decentralized, right?
Like what's the point, right?
You might as well just go to Spotify in that case, right?
Because they've been doing it longer.
And, you know, as long as you are okay with the game that they're playing, right?
Some people can do very well on those platforms and there's nothing wrong with that.
well on those platforms and there's nothing wrong with that but um you know on tesla's i think we
want to kind of um attract or you know capture a lot of the indie musicians out there right
people who kind of like emerging or have small followings and try to make that sustainable
or have small followings and try to make that sustainable. So in order to do that,
we need something that's like really decentralized. So up until now, the problem has been like,
like I think I mentioned a few minutes earlier is that the L1s are typically too slow, right? You can't, you can't do a transaction per play, right? That would just,
right? If you had to wait a minute just to listen to one song, you know, it's just not viable.
But with the L2s, you can have that. But the problem with a lot of the L2s, like I mentioned
again, is that you can't really trust
that they'll be there in a couple of years. And so I do think, I mean, we haven't started on this
yet. We're kind of working on just getting the baseline, the fundamentals of just having audio NFTs and having it secure and trying to make that as streamlined as possible.
But there's no reason why we can't attach those thing. And I think Kevin mentioned that they are work.
They do have or are working on other, you know, so-called official L2s.
Right. If that comes rolling around, it's totally doable, you know.
And yeah, that's what we have here on tensos but nobody else does
yeah i mean no one else is doing this like seriously like uh if you go to ethereum um a lot
of the l2s are just kind of basically wrappers around you know the arrow L1, right? They're basically aggregating a lot of the plays or whatever
into the transactions of the major chains.
And, you know, if you're, you know, but all of that is centralized.
So if they go away and they stop supporting it, then that's it.
away and they stop supporting it and that's it it's gone you know so the fact that they're working
It's gone, you know?
on this like official l2 is is like i said it's kind of a big deal right yeah
i hope that answers your question i don't know it just sounds like you're just waiting for
to feel comfortable with the l2 to do what you're trying to do, because you're right.
If every single time, you know, I don't know, but like, I don't know.
But then it sounds like you wanted to incorporate people being able to purchase the music NFTs on the site as well as just listen to it.
Because some of the folks that I've been speaking to in Solana and guys, don't get mad.
You guys know. So for those of you who know you know i'm a cross
chain host they are working on models that are more like subscription based for the streaming
instead of just like paper stream right because there's so many flaws in that system it's not
even funny and it's just like i know you're saying oh spotify but but i mean it could you know like
as long as people accept that you know there's issues with with the protocol itself like
it could work you know i'm not discounting that but but um yeah so but but you know, like, like if they, what's the word, I mean, they do have the speed and low transaction fees, right? That's a fact. But, but security is always in question with that, that platform. And yeah, I don't, if people do a little bit of research on it, you know,
uh, especially people who have like, you know, been in the industry for a long time and, you
know, they're not in the mood to get rugged.
Right.
So, um, it has to be pretty solid.
Right.
And so that's, that's the one thing about Tesla's that you can kind of confidently say, right?
Even if the liquidity or the, you know, it's much, much smaller in size, right?
Than other chains.
But if you're looking for something that will just work the way that you want it to, you know, it'll be here.
So, yeah, you know, it's going to be a little bit of both going on
right like some people that's not that important to them and uh if if they can make friends with
people within the solana and ensure that they're not going to get screwed over that way i mean that
you know maybe that's that's a thing that they can do but the whole point of like kind of doing it on teslos i think is that
the protocol itself guarantees that and uh yeah so that's the bet we're taking with at least with
the stuff i'm doing yeah and to be clear i wasn't saying like oh solana's better or anything i was
just taking note of something they were doing in their ecosystem because I know that Tezos values security and I know that Tezos values decentralization,
you know, and, you know, I'm pretty sure that even Kevin will probably say that there's no
other blockchain that values decentralization more. And that matters a lot, especially as you
were talking about doing things with
collaboration with bakers. So, I mean, I was just curious just because like, as much as,
you know, Spotify is what it is. I'm all for anything that's, that's more decentralized
and anything that's all about getting you paid as in the artists more. Yeah. Period. And you know, like, like, a completely centralized model can work if the people
who are running it are doing it in good faith.
Right.
Um, so maybe that might happen.
I don't know.
You know, it might be a political problem, not a tech problem, but, um, you know,
with the things that are with the way that they are right now, this seems like the best bet, at least for for me, you know.
But yeah, you know, but we're a small team and we only can do so much.
So we're going to be working on this slowly over the next year or two.
And, you know, yeah, we're going to be pushing the copyright feature in the next week or two and um you know uh yeah we're going to be pushing the copyright um feature in the
next week or two uh we've been talking about that for a little while so i just finished up the pull
request just just this morning so yeah so you know one step at a time yeah i don't know what else
time yeah i don't know what else that's all we can do right yay thank you christina um but like
that's all we can do right
in like the tesla space is like nobody's um like averse to talking about other blockchains
or anything like no one's tribal like that in fact most like the whole point kind of of the way we have
like the governance set up is that we can take stuff that's like great ideas from different
ecosystems optimize it and bring it on tezzo so not only is it not like like someone's gonna like
throw you over the coals because you're talking about solana but it's actually no that was that was a little setup
earlier i don't know if you caught that that was just covering my base in case what happened
which we all kind of figured was going to happen happened so that was sort of unfortunately
i don't i don't think she can do a thing before that was it a callback she can hear you because
i banned her already for bringing up solana oh damn no i'm a bad example because i'm kind of a purist you know uh i'm i'm a ethereum
turncoat so you know nothing nothing uh you know the the the best critics come from the people that
left that was there right turn code or an expat uh i think i'm a turncoat yeah i i feel a little
vaguely hostile towards ethereum right now to be honest well i feel directly hostile towards ethereum
how about that oh okay uh but no but but you know it's like, a lot of the outcoins, I think, I'm done with all the big name projects, like, I think the future is outcoins. So, you know, if you whether you include Solana in that or not, that's, you know, that's matter interpretation. But I do think a lot of the original projects are kind of struggling and you
know i've been i've been in the space since like 2012 and back then bitcoin and ethereum they're
they're great you know like i love the people there um so many most of the builders were there
but things kind of changed over time, you know? And, um, so.
Am I rugging?
No, no.
I think he cut off.
Yeah.
Well, if we had some sort of like music to play,
we would play like the, you would play the Pray for the Dead song.
I mean, everything came from...
Most people, if you've been around longer than a couple of years,
started on Ethereum.
But what was crazy was when the Tesla's NFT explosion happened,
suddenly it was just
their entry to blockchain altogether and their entry to minting even if they didn't stay because
it was so cheap and easy to get going you know even back then no i mean kevin you're right like
i hate to say it but yeah ethereum was my first experience with blockchain. And that was a freaking nightmare.
Like, I hated it.
I wanted to throw things at the wall.
Okay.
And then when John of Tezos got me into Tezos, I was like, what?
I mean, so I can just interact with my email and I can just go on Kukai and this is so cheap.
And it's not giving me anxiety.
And that's where I first started minting stuff, which was on Tez.
And it's just like, John, it's like he showed me a whole new way that I didn't need all the anxiety.
And I was just like, it was an easy sell.
And then, of course, he sold me on everything else, as you know, John does.
I love that story.
Yeah. He's like, you're going to get a wallet. You're going to
get a wallet. Oh yeah. I'm just going to share really quick for those of you who don't know,
like I was at the farmer's market and I was just like, nah, John, I don't want to talk anymore.
I just want to go shopping. And John, he screamed at me. He was like, no, I mean, I don't want to
scream right now. But he was, he just screamed just screamed at me like no you're not going anywhere and you're not doing anything until you set up your kukai wallet
right now it's just your email do it now yeah wow
oh dropped that up for a second but all right but yeah i think i think fit people finished up the
point yeah kevin's been around uh the crypto space a long time too, I know.
So yeah, he has perspective on this stuff as well. You know, Tesla's is a relatively new chain,
at least compared to Bitcoin or Ethereum, right? Started in 2017, 2018. That's when it launched, I believe. And yeah, but it's like a second, I don't know, some generation, right?
The first generation is Bitcoin.
And then you could maybe say the second is like Ethereum and Litecoin and all those coins that kind of forked off the Bitcoin and kind of took ideas.
And then, yeah, maybe it's a third generation, I'm not sure.
But, you know, labels don't matter.
But it is relatively new compared to the older coins.
So I think it's in a good place right now where it has a nice balance of having some history, right? Because seven years is not short,
but it's not like someone started it last year or last month.
I wanted to also bring up another point.
Because you were discussing earlier, you know, about some use cases that maybe you were thinking and there are probably many more that some projects have thought in the past.
And it was about the point that the blockchain space in general wasn't ready for adoption the past few years, right? Like we were lacking a lot of things like scalability, like there
were so many projects that-
A lot of promises, not much to stand on.
Yes, I agree.
Even Tezos, including Tezos, like the L1, when you had like, I don't know,
we were at 30 seconds or 15 seconds per block.
Now we're at eight seconds.
This is still very limiting for some use cases.
And this is the whole point of this whole endeavor of creating TezosX
and to scale the chain, but still keep it accessible and keep it decentralized.
Because there have been chains that came out saying,
yeah, we are doing, you know, like 100k TPS or whatever numbers they were bringing up.
But there were always trade-offs.
They were not stable.
And this is something that actually threw off many institutions and institutional use cases in the past. and they saw you know what is going on on ethereum and what is going on on some of the l2s where
um the teams were holding like 90 of the tokens and so many like fake scalable chains back then
so in the future in that sense i do feel even though it sounds cringy, I do feel that we are still kind of early.
Hey, we got an institutional validator on Etherlink now.
Yeah, yeah, I saw that. I mean, they were already validating on L1,
but they now started on Etherlink as well, yeah.
Oh, cool. I didn't know that.
Yeah, one honest one, right?
So we've got at least one yeah even in the art art stuff
like um yeah there was this we don't need to go into the details but you know there there was some
issues with the way um kind of the whole art trying to bring the art to NFTs thing was done right and a lot of it had to
do with a lot of people who work in tech their whole lives they just don't understand how the
industry works so that caused a lot of it's not just Tezos but but the industry as a whole right
there's this tone deafness that a lot of people are put off by
right not to mention all the scams going on all the time right so um but but but like things have
gotten better over the last two years i would say you know and i feel like um they're they're
listening more you know at least here.
So that's a reason to be optimistic, I think.
It's not going to be perfect, but this is still the best chance we have as artists,
I still believe.
And I think that the landscape will be much different two years from now, for
example, if everything that they're planning to implement
gets actually implemented and achieved,
which I don't see any reason why they won't.
They have always been delivering, but, like,
I can't imagine, you know, what kind of use cases
you will be able to bring on-chain
when you will have sub-second latency,
like, you won't have to wait, you know, eight seconds per block or anything, and you will have sub-second latency. You won't have to wait 8 seconds per block or anything.
And you will be able to handle a million TPS if needed.
It will be seamless. It will be truly seamless.
Because right now, somebody coming from Web2,
when he compares it with the current Web3 space,
it's very limiting for them.
So we might see a bunch, a whole new, you know,
like a set of use cases coming on chain
that some of them we might haven't even thought of
or that we might think and say,
nah, that's not going to work on chain right now, you know?
I still can't believe it when I finish it,
finalize the transaction and it's done.
I still get PTSD from the one minute backtrack
over and over again.
Like, I don't know.
Yeah. By the way,
Rubisco, you have your hand up?
Or is that a glitter? I see the hand too,
but yeah. Rubis!
Sorry, it's a bit noisy here i'll
what's going on yeah it's my coffee machine are you running a cnc back there
i was just picking up on what ryan said because i'm not at all a tech person. And back when I got in love with crypto, it was all those ideas of
being equal and banking the unbanked and whatever. And then all those shenanigans with all the alts
on ETH and all those scams and poisoning the community and the sad stories. I just couldn't take it anymore.
But then I started hearing like, oh, this is on chain governance.
Oh, this is in the hands of the community.
Oh, there are no forks here.
And it starts buzzing, buzzing, buzzing.
And then NFTs came.
And then I saw this is all
because of OPEX right so and then I saw me in the hackathon and although that
enthusiasm that brought me back like two or three years before and somehow I
decided to give it a try again and And yes, the tech is awesome.
I used to say I came for the tech,
I stayed for the community,
but I see some of the people here
that I've known for a long time,
still very reluctant about Etherlink.
I kind of understand it,
but on the other hand, it's like you said, Kryptonio,
if you really believe that blockchain
needs it needs to have real life utility to thrive not just be pump and dumps of coins
or just an alternative marketplace for artists we really need to improve things and it cannot be done on layer
ones, at least from what I understand.
So even though I've been a Tezos like Maxi because I tend to repel all the other chains,
I really don't care.
But looking at Tezlink and looking at Tezos Xus x not just etherlink i think i can see the
big picture and where tesus is going and it's almost starting to make me fall in love again
with blockchain not just tesus and the community but also see that it could be the future.
When I started on Ethereum, as everyone, we had a project.
It was called Global Crypto Alliance.
It's basically the same philosophy.
Me and OPEC are trying at TTC, like bring everything together.
And the Global Crypto Alliance was kind of an umbrella for different services.
We had GC News.
It was a backward idea where we rewarded readers and content creators.
And we created a token.
It was a stupidity.
But we only did it because it was not an RC20. All those limitations that the RC20s had and the way it did not allow intercommunication because they were almost like custom made from what I understand.
It was a new standard, the RC777. It was awesome, but it never drew. It was so much better, but the resistance from the community was, and the exchange especially, because it was so far ahead that not even the exchanges and many
of the wallets did not support all the features that that token that... what's the name? DRC...
What's the name?
DRC.
DRC20 wanted.
I wanted the full name.
DRC20?
Not the protocol.
What's the standard?
Okay.
Because it was a different standard.
It had many other advantages.
It was better for use cases.
We even created a door that would open open a lock that would open with the
transactions of our token.
It was a real life utility, for instance, Airbnb's, they were thriving at the time.
So it was a remote way you can give the token to someone and the transaction of the token
would open the lock on the door.
So it was just an experiment to showcase the advantages. We had an awesome
developer at the time. He managed to combine different standards in one single token. Even
the creators of the standard itself, they made a shit post about us because they didn't believe we could actually do that.
And then our, our them,
they just shut them up and shamed them.
It was awesome.
And because of everything that started to happen
with all the things on Ethereum,
we just didn't want to continue.
We had GC News, we had GC Minds,
we had GC Academy for onboarding.
We had for the smart contracts, it was called GC Security.
We did audits in security.
So we had the full services and it got so toxic
that we just decided to drop it completely.
And OPEC began to look at other things
because he always liked to look at everything.
And Tezos was the one thing
that always sticked here in our house, you know?
And then NFTs came, we used to joke with him,
like, why are you buying lizards, JPEG lizards?
Because you know how it was at the time,
it was a rush to mint, otherwise it would sell out.
So his social life was completely messed up
and everyone was teasing him.
And now I understand.
So, yeah, I think it's important and people in Tezos,
even those Maxi Tezos, should start, in my humble opinion, look at what Tezos has envisioned for
the future and try to embrace it and see how we can breach not just the token but the efforts
and the joy of being in Tezos with other things in Tezos.
So yeah, sorry, that's just my two cents.
Oh, and another thing, Tezos right now is for art and community,
not DeFi so much, Kevin.
And I think that's why we are still a bit protected
and still have this awesome community,
because those people who just want crypto to make money probably
don't stay in Tezos. So it's two sides, how do you say in English, when you have a knife with two
sides because we want Tezos to drive, we want the token to rise in price, but what makes those
things happen are things we don't want in tesla so
it's tricky but i think we will make it i think it's an interesting thing that happened and it
when you when we talk about it or when i talk about it like this it like you can see why it's
really a hard thing to catch you know for anyone uh like before it happens because it's kind of
like a backfiring of an effort to keep it from you know so like you like before it happens because it's kind of like a backfiring
of an effort to keep it from you know so like you know you would presume that it's like oh well
it's distant from the the etherlink brand or from the teslos brand and i think that you know i don't
know for sure i'm just saying like ostensibly you know there was always a lot of uh concern about
uh like when you do anything with
the TELUS brand, historically, that's been the case. So when you get into things like financial
stuff, DeFi stuff, which at least at some points and at certain jurisdictions had been the most
sensitive of them all, you know, you tend to be more protective of that. But it's gotten better
over time, I think, especially as we've seen how other ecosystems have done it.
So I'm excited to see a lot of the marketing experiments
that we've been seeing on the Etherlink side,
like try the stuff that we can look and see
that's Monday morning quarterback
and say there's a lot,
oh, this is better than that,
and optimize them and do that and try them to
some extent on the Tezos side of things. But I think for some people, it was seen the other way
around. It was turned on its head in that it's like, oh, this is taking away from the Tezos.
This is something that could be there. So there were DeFi people on the Tezos side who were like, what the fuck? And then some people who I think in the middle
were maybe saying something that was quickly corrected, I noticed, where it was like, oh,
well, you can just go and wrap your Tez and then go over to Etherlink and get the incentive that's
over there. And then it's like, wait a minute, why are you telling people to go from tesos to evm and then
there are other people who are like wait a minute yeah it's not for them it's for the evm people
we're trying to bring in evm money and uh like for the evm side and then bring them into tesos
but then you had the like reply of that which is like, well, then why not? Why do we not like, you know, it's not like we're like we've scaled up yet to the point that we can overflow into Etherlink.
bring more of a defy conversation that's that's authentically tezonian based on tesla's values
that have already been reflected in the network and the governance already reflected in the art
community that's been uh growing for so many years and like it would like it would be uh commensurate
with all of those values and it's like yes this is something that's like ours of the community as opposed to let's see do what they do in other
places and have a like a like the signaling was just completely by all of the signaling including
the explaining to people tezos x and layer twos when it's kind of like uh encoded with the insignia
of ethereum it kind of says it's like this upfront and front-loaded reminder of,
wait, well, why the hell are we doing this?
Like, we have to lead with our independent value
and then remind people of that and then go into like,
and now here's this outreach thing.
So like, it's a fine line between an outreach group
or like an outreach initiative and brand erosion. That happens a lot.
So it's a really interesting like course of events. I mean, I guess you have to know like
50 different things to even appreciate like what the hell happened. But it's so good that this
stuff gets to happen at an early point. Like you guys were saying, I mean, that like we can solve
for this stuff at a small scale. And so then when we do hit the big heights of crypto, summer,
whatever, like we have our shit together and we've iterated all that's, that's one of the benefits.
But yeah, so and that was the last thing, like the narrative of like saying, like, there's,
we shouldn't be conflating L2s and Etherlink
as though they're one of the same.
Etherlink is just one L2.
And so a person doesn't have to,
even if it's like L2s are the future,
that doesn't mean Etherlink has to be the thing
that you go to if you don't want to.
Because there are a lot of people who are like,
but I don't want to go to my fucking MetaMask.
I associate that with painful, stressful experiences where I had to pay hundreds of dollars in gas sometimes to get my money out of this thing.
It's like they think a stress-free Zen relationship with their Tezos wallet, for the most part, and good experiences and all of that.
good experiences and all of that.
They want to keep it there.
So let's let DeFi come to it.
So let's let DeFi come to it.
Not like, no, go over.
Because there's a sort of self-defeating...
You know what I mean?
So I think that's one of the things
that's been starting to be calibrated.
But you can see how it was imagined
it would be the other way around, right?
Slangs. Oh, hey, I just noticed way around, right? Flags.
Oh, hey, I just noticed
Wise has been sitting up here for so
long, so patiently waiting,
I wanted to say hi to Wise.
Hi, Wise.
Hey, Southfellas,
how everyone's well? I can't actually
believe that I agree with you,
Kevin, of all things.
I guess Hal does freeze once in a while.
We always agree, but you always start with that.
And you just
have to open your mouth. Holy shit.
I completely agree with you.
It just also how
kind of like Etherlink kind of came to be
and then
and like the current debacle with apple farms
and all that shit which just the communication and us telling us like and telling the um
I guess like the community how much per apple it's gonna be was so fucking annoying was so
stressful I almost considered blocking a couple of people.
Because there was this dude, he's like, oh, I can't wait to farm apples. It's going to be a
joyous experience. Well, some dumb shit like that. And so somebody asked, how much is it per apple?
And then instead of like telling us outright how much an apple is, he's being coy about it, which is sus to me.
And then instead of like, telling us outright how much an apple is,
Already sus.
The moment I actually went to the website, another susness.
Hated the fucking thing.
But overall, the DeFi experience, farming apples, is disgusting.
I wouldn't recommend it to anybody. And yes, I know
this face is recorded. That's how much I do
not give a shit about those fucking apples.
Fuck them apples.
Fuck the whole fucking website.
I need to actually
put on my glasses so I can look
at the fucking website. That's how ugly it is.
And I hate it so much.
And fuck anyone that has those
fucking ugly
PFPs.
Okay, I have to get it off my chest.
I hate them. I hate them so much.
And I've never hated something that fast.
I feel like that.
Never hated something so fast,
so quick, and just
done.
Those fucking dumb farming PFPs.
And that says something, because i have a fucking frog as a pfp mine is ugly as hell but just holy shit the communication gets to be better and i don't
understand why it was like launched in etherlink as opposed to it being normal tezos and then all
of a sudden it's like
tezos x which to me i didn't even know about it till like quite recently i think retro
no it was red trends like told me a little bit about it and then we're gonna be it's just all
over the place but overall i just want to say that i hate the apple farm That's the only reason I'm even up. It was a dumb idea.
I have no interest.
In farming those fucking apples.
Even.
I know the incentive is high.
But it just fills me with rage.
Okay I'm done now.
But anyone who farms those apples.
I hope you get like a ton of money.
And you score a bit.
See that's legit.
She's not counting on it for anyone else.
She's just sharing her.
And that's why we love
you, Wife.
That's why we love you.
Tell it out like it is, man.
No, no, no. I want people to get
their fucking bag. That's all I give a shit
about. But ultimately, the experience
of me even connecting
and all that shit just drove me
off the wall and i even considered
throwing my laptop well against it maybe maybe could we get together sometime outside of a
public space and talk about some ways that they could improve the experience maybe i'm not gonna
do that i'm not gonna waste your time in mine like i mentioned i fully i'm fully aware the
space is recorded i don't give a shit. But ultimately, I think, I understand the concentration right now is like DeFi, and I fully get it to get more people into the ecosystem, which kind of makes sense.
I just don't fully understand why it was launched at Etherlink as opposed to like normal Tezos, because, again, we're struggling with liquidity as is.
There's a few things that are kind of happening in the background. And like, I'm sure along the,
along the way, it does make sense. But right now, um, may, probably, I don't really fully see it.
That might be the case, but I don't think like oh yeah farmstam apples is gonna fix our problems
that's that's the thing that kind of well no one was saying that yeah kind of made me a little bit
i get what you're saying like and it does echo to what like i think the initial calibrations of the
marketing were off on like wrong place wrong time wrong you know incentive of that kind of thing but it's like
like for one thing it's like well let's take the positives from it that's just the general
rule but um but yeah there are reasons why this ended up happening even though it seemed to
contradict what the initial uh plans were but i to me like having been through the ringer of all
this stuff like and even all the way since the DC Accelerator before that,
when this was in the planning,
it's basically finishing that up,
and then now we're at a new regime.
So the trajectory is going to be, I feel,
much more aligned with where it's supposed to be.
So that's why I'm not like...
Are you saying that
are you saying that was from a previous like regime yeah yeah and i mean it wasn't oh that
makes yeah anthony's the head of defy now but he like um it is important like it was like a
much improved and um since that time like that that person left but uh or like the previous regime left
but like that was they initiated the whole thing that was connected to all of like it was a whole
master plan they just gotta finish it up they gotta finish it up yeah that's basically how it
started but now they're starting to talk about and this is where it's like, you know, like it's enough with the
Etherlink, like that we got to where we are. I feel like it's something that we can use,
but for its own benefit, like for its own actual, the draw to it and not the questioning of it and
increasing adoption, the attention on the DeFi budget side needs to go back to the Tezos L1.
And they are organized like this. It's not like this is taking from what would go into the arts or whatever.
No, no, no, no, no. It's totally separated. So it's not like that's not how it works.
So I have my own internal things that I'm saying, like, no, no, no, the DeFi stuff got to go here.
But it doesn't affect, so it's not like wholesale. Let's not conserve ourselves with DeFi. So that's the dichotomy I
would like object to that. It's like, I realized when you said, I realized it's the concern is
DeFi right now, but I mean, it's like, no, no, no, that's not the issue. It was just like, it was
this, you could say the campaign and what was allocated to it in terms of time and resources,
that that was a misfire.
And there are better ways of doing that or stuff we can take from that
and do what needs to be done or maybe should have been done.
But because, yeah, different people would have done it differently.
I mean, there's very much that I was opposed to,
but we had to, you know, buy time and let it play itself out.
Like that's, it's done.
So, but yeah, we do need to have Tesla's L1 DeFi scaled.
Of course, that makes sense.
If you were going to put like an incentive anywhere,
just as to like what seems to be like the hard place to get it,
where supposedly there's a lot of friction,
you would think that it would be the Tesla's L1.
If we, the idea is if we went
on this EVM thing on Etherlink, because it was so easy to get all these builders and so easy to
bring in all this liquidity because it's just everywhere, and then we can funnel that into
and trickle that into Tesla's L1 and then to Tesla's link or whatever, well, then why are we
putting all the money for the accelerator program and then the, you know, all these partnerships that had to come in and then doing this, the first ever $3 million yield farm thing?
What?
Like, so that's what's confusing, I think, to people because the narrative did shift.
But that's okay because it's still trying to find itself.
It's still trying to find itself and it's part of this overall thing.
And it's part of this overall thing.
At the same time, everyone has the burden of being one of
a few people who can like,
and every article has the burden and every tweet,
of being just the limited vehicle that can explain,
okay, L2s are coming,
here's this ETHELINK thing,
we're doing this DeFi stuff,
we're building it up, we're going to have this.
The parts where there was a backfiring of branding or whatever i think that's obviously something
everybody would want to correct but it's like good to figure this stuff out early and before it like
would affect a mass audience because yeah a lot of it is little things and i think yeah some of the uh the kind of like uh blanket posting
about this maybe kind of missed out on like what uh it was supposed to what the intention actually
was um and and then the last thing was like yeah when the idea is like oh this isn't for you this
is for the evm crowd it's like yeah but shouldn't there be something for me what the fuck you know and like
i get that like that that is the other thing that makes sense you know so um i'm saying it's not
about agreement or disagreement it's about empathizing with the first people experience
we can't get defensive just because people are like feeling a certain way it's only when we do
that that like we can actually like actually transfer that and make stuff better.
Otherwise, it's like we tend to crowd out that voice because it sounds negative.
But it's, no, no, no, this is complicated.
This is a really hard thing to do, and there's no rule book on it.
It's the first time we did it.
In many ways, it's the first time anyone's ever done anything like this.
So, of course, we're going to have our time to figure it out.
But it takes the positive feedback to channel it. Um, and that is seeing like,
oh, this is something that could be better. You know?
Yeah. Uh, I also want to mention that they decided to do like, um,
to put some incentives to, to bring life to defy. Right? And they decided to do it on Etherlink
as it was the first roll-up that came out.
They've been trying to push the low latency and everything.
And they are also trying to attract some big projects
from the EVM world to come and build on top of Etherlink.
So for me, there is a reasoning
why they would put the incentives on Etherlink.
You know they're trying to to build it up to bring more projects in so incentives as you know
do help with that. So on top of that this is something specifically for the DeFi crowd right.
for the DeFi crowd, right?
So it makes sense, like, if some people from the L1,
which is mostly around TART,
stayed and said, what kind of shit is this, you know?
Like, I don't think that was their initial target audience,
to say so.
So, because in the same sense,
to do the devil's advocate, I have seen some DeFi people that were active on DeFi on Tezos early on, complain a lot about art stuff, because they don't like it.
They don't, you know, they don't rock with it.
It's the same thing now, seeing people not liking all this DeFi stuff that is going on and the incentives that is going on on Etherlink.
not liking all this DeFi stuff that is going on and the incentives that is going on on Etherlink.
So I think that we should, in my opinion, we should try to bring in all this kind of different crowds into the ecosystem.
Because in the end, as we said, it's all going to be one.
And I will agree that there might be, you know, some bad choices on the communication.
There might be some bad choices on the communication, but as you said, it is also a very complicated matter to clarify and to make it clear.
Because there are so many different things involved, so many different variables.
So, I don't know, just the way I see it.
I do get the frustration from some people, but there is also a reasoning behind every move if you ask the persons that made those decisions, you know?
Not always. Sometimes they're really bad and that's just the reality of life.
Agreed, agreed. Yeah, yeah, maybe.
It's okay.
And I don't think that's fair. I don't think that's fair. I't think that's fair i really don't i mean it's not
if you can't simplify things for your user it's either you don't fully understand what the
what issue you're trying to solve or like or what the product is and or you just you're terrible
at communication it's really as simple as that. And I've had this as well. Like
it happened to me like a couple of times, like I don't fully understand what the problem is,
but I can break it down and I can get someone else to help me. And then I can kind of explain it.
And for you to kind of like turn around and say, oh yeah, it's so complicated. That's why
the communication is not always great. I feel like that's a cop-out. And as for the EVM crowd, cool, understand.
It's a product targeting a specific market.
That makes sense.
Sure, no problem.
But then it makes me also ask even more questions.
What is that going to do to the L1?
Are you also going to hope to kind of, how are you going to retain those users?
Are you hoping to bring those users to the l1 uh okay yes or no again that's probably something you're going to answer
at some point or it's not even flushed out flushed out yet sure and then it kind of makes me think
is l the l1 going to be abandoned at one point or is it just going to be the main focus going to be
you know etherlink and the future products
it's going to um no yeah this is i i don't this is completely what my space was about the other
day because this is the exact confusion that occurred um and it's not intentional and no
one's dismissing it that's the point like but but it's not like we need to stop this like i noticed
that this is a problem
and then like how can like why is this happening clearly you haven't registered this is happening
like no well you know it's not going to instantly get better like it has to be like there's a
process for it um and people aren't going to be shamed into like working through the night to fix
it like you can't no one can go on like that. They have to get it done in a way that's
reasonable. There's a lot of shit
that everybody has to put up with.
There's shit that I have to put up with, but that's part
of working with
things. There's my bullshit
that people have to deal with, and that's the trade we make.
That's how it all
works with any workplace or any personal relationship.
That's what it is.
I do return to you to something that you said.
It's not like we need – and this also is part of like not throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
It's not like the DeFi exposure in any sense, whether that's sanctioned from TF or Trotec or in any way that happens and and any kind of a push or drive to get it to happen it's not exclusive or apart from the nft or art scene like it should be embedded
within that so and there should be a connection um so it's not like it's not like a it's like a defy matter whether it's on the uh l2 or l1 and also you're right wise in that the
like like it's important for the nft economy uh like that we have a robust defy sector in the l1
and like the idea what i what i do think is and this i know how this came to be so i know it's
not a cop-out talking point but it's been a repeated talking point because like I know how it evolved um where it's like oh well in the
future we're gonna have you know multiple L2s and then they're gonna come together in this roll-up
so it's gonna come together so it's gonna come together so it's all gonna come together it
doesn't like it misses the point entirely that it breaks the narrative and the experience that people are having now to say well this area is going to get neglected um so you people who uh invest your time and effort
into here don't expect development we're going to go over there and it's like well what was what
about us and what are we what we're doing here and you know and it's like well you can come over here
and it's like what no we don't why don't you come
over here that's the problem but the the reason why that became a like kind of a talking point
is because before that like the the before there was a teslos x roadmap before there was the the
idea that of like what the multiple uh smart roll up or having multiple l2s and like a single smart
roll up or whatever uh or any of that stuff came to be, it was like Etherlink again was thought of in the same vein
as L2 and used interchangeably, you know, like, and like there were, of course, all kinds of
expansionary ideas of what to do in the L2 world, but Etherlink was the term for it. So people
started saying at that time, like, like, oh, well, we can bring all the l1 daps to etherlink
not what was intended not what it sounds like not what it means but you can understand how that was
that so the the correction of that was this but nonetheless it's not a complete answer in that it
doesn't it doesn't answer absolutely it is and i um hey kevin i will pause you hey welcome to the
stage let me um i only got like two minutes to talk could i throw one thing
in for uh for kryptonio and for kevin really quick uh okay okay and then i want to go to
rubisco because she's trying to um i'll be really quick because i gotta go pick up my daughter i've
been trying to listen to you guys i'm getting off work um just a comment that i want to make
towards kryptonio and kevin um so like me as an example, I'm not pro or
con the argument at all. I'm just trying to give you guys a comment. So like I have some wallets
that I stake with. I have some wallets that I delegate with. I've used Tezfin. I've used Plenty.
I buy off OBJKT. You know, I'm messing around with Skirpy.
I have some Etherlink NFTs now.
I'm kind of messing around with like Hanji and Iguana over on Etherlink. But the way that I view it is like we're an overall like economy and an ecosystem.
And the goal at the end, you sure it's tezos x but for me right
now when i'm using like uh kukai or or uh um some of the ones on uh etherlink that you can use
coinbase wallet or trust wallet or whatever my point is i don't take Tezos out of my L1 to go and use on the L2. So like what I've done is like
I have my L1 Tezos for like security and Tezfin and NFTs and you know things I want to do on the
L1 or just stake it or delegate it or whatever. But then I went and bought a separate bag for the
L2 to mess around but help us on Rarible and to help us with the apples and the DeFi and everything.
Because I just view us all as Tezos and Etherlink and our ecosystem, our economy.
So I don't know if my comment helps any pros or cons that I've heard.
As I said, I literally just got released from work and I've had you guys in earpiece for over an hour now but I just
wanted to share that with you guys because I don't know if that
comment just gives you guys anything but
thank you guys for your time I love all of you guys
and I hope all of you have a great day
hey thanks for the
you said released from work
for whatever reason it came to my mind that it was
going to say released from prison
who says released from work
it's not really much of a difference in some jobs, man.
I really do.
It's got the same color walls.
You're locked in a little tiny room.
I'm a Walmart shift manager.
So to be honest with you, Kevin's right.
It is prison.
Brother, I worked at Sam's Club.
I have nothing but respect for you.
All right.
Let's go to Rubisco.
Rubisco, sorry for making you wait no no problem i to be
honest i'm kind of glad that all those d5 things are on etherlink because they are not in tesos
and i get what wise is saying but on the other hand like kry Kryptonio said, many people who are into DeFi, they don't care about arts or NFTs or other things.
And I remember a few solutions and a few picture like Tezos X and Tez Links.
The way I see it, and I might be totally wrong, is like Tezos being an umbrella where all the other chains can interact, including Tezos.
Like Tez Link, from what I understand, will be a second layer of Tezos.
Tezlink, from what I understand, will be a second layer of Tezor.
So I'm okay and I'm totally fine that DeFi apps and tools are more dedicated on Etherlink,
some things related with art.
And I know some projects who want to do more stuff and are holding back
because they don't want to go to Etherlink.
It doesn't make sense, but it makes sense to go on a Tezos layer two,
because all of the advantages of the layer two and being a layer two in Tezos,
being a smart roll up,
those layer twos have the advantages of all the things that Tezos has on layer
one. So technically they are better layer twos from what I understand
and all the things that are better for having a layer two like being more like
speed of transactions and stuff like that people who are into Tezos now layer
one can do and develop that on layer on Tezlink on a roll up for Tesla's also so I don't see why there's not space for everyone
for things that everyone likes and because when I think about crypto we all talk about
being inclusive and being seamless and we talk about multi-chain, and we talk about all that.
Like, if I go to a website, I don't
need to know the IP protocol or JavaScript or whatever.
I just use it.
So if you want to mainstream crypto,
people don't need to know they are using cryptos.
It needs to be seamless.
And that's what multi-chain, we all hope, brings.
If we talk about being multichain
and when Tezos itself tries to have different solutions
for different audience, for different developers,
and we see that always as a bad thing,
I think we are, in my opinion, missing the point.
So I understand that maybe the communication
is not good maybe people feel like too much money is given out for some type of
projects instead of others but on the long run I think it makes sense and it
might not be a popular opinion but I work every day trying to support arts on tezos trying to support
developers on tezos but i understand those who are different who don't care about that
they care about t5 and they care about those type of tools and it makes sense to do them on
on etherlink or on other compatible chains in the future.
So I think there's a space for everything
and I think we can balance it.
And I don't know.
So I, yeah, this is interesting.
So I think you're thinking of Tezos
cause that's like, well, we have all this art stuff here.
Can it let it be an art chain?
And then you can have the DeFi stuff on the Etherlink side.
The way I would, and the other thing was that like, well,
and you don't really see the artists who are really into DeFi and whatever.
Well, for one thing, I think that can change.
Like there's retail level DeFi that actually just helps like pocketbook stuff
that every consumer, no matter what you do, like everybody deals with.
No matter what you do, like, like everybody deals with.
But the other thing is, like, like we might not be a part of or interact with these big investment banks like Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan and all that.
But they affect us.
They affect our bottom line.
They affect our.
So the importance of having a robust DeFi sector is, we're talking about the economic side,
like the finance, where all the money comes from that should be in Tezos,
that would bring up the art economy so artists can get, you know,
we can see that much more being produced and more things can happen in all of that.
In whatever way that it's used.
The idea is you have to have that,
like just like a country has to have a banking system.
Like you have to have DeFi and Tezos.
Even if the country is all about like,
like what they do here is they do art and that's what it is.
They still have a banking center.
So that's like the idea of what's missing,
but it's not,
it's not like art or DeFi on Etherlink. It's DeFi. And then the strategy is like, what, why is it on Etherlink
and not on Tezos L1, where it could immediately synergize with all these different facets of the
Tezos economy, be it art, gaming, the network sector with staking, you know, RWAs that have
been nascent on it and things like that why is it being done there which
was supposed to be a place where we were going to be getting people from the outside and and
like are they telling us to go there and then from there it's like a half step to like a more
doom and gloom picture it's like why are they telling us why are they telling us to go over
there you know like it's understandable why i would get to that level. People will draw the craziest conclusions if they're not told otherwise.
That's just how it happens.
I think also the issue mainly here is the funds allocated by the foundation to support those endeavors on a layer two.
and some people who have been here, I'm now playing the other side.
And some people who have been here, I'm now playing the other side.
Some people who have been building on Tezos, some people who have been creating on Tezos,
supporting the layer one, they don't feel like they have that support.
I've seen over the three years many people excited and trying to build things
and they had zero support, not only for the foundations and whatever,
but also for the
community because if there are no people interested in defy on layer one if you are building a tool
or a platform for defy and don't get users nor other type of supports you want you will give
up eventually like we've been seeing a lot of great devs that were building on Tezos and they left, right?
So we need to see both sides.
I don't think the issue here is just being Apple Farms and lending platforms
and trading platforms being built on Etherlink,
trying to get people from the EVM compatible chains into Tezos and trying to bring
that money outside of Tezos into the Tezos network that was the goal but the way and now I'm going
back to what I said the communication the way it's been done it made people feel that they were being left out and all the money was being given out
to flashy things on other layer other blockchain it's not another blockchain but it feels like it
you know so i think that what needs to have is a better communication a better balance so that
everyone no matter in what layer you are, feel that you have the same
support, the same visibility from everyone, the community and ones above, like foundations
and whatever.
So that's my feeling.
It is under blockchain.
It literally is under blockchain.
Yeah, I was going to just do that input exactly.
that input exactly that um we should clarify that i get that it was probably because of the
We should clarify that.
communication that people view it like that and also maybe because of the branding that it did
kind of separate of tezos you know the etherlink but at the end of the day the only thing that
happens on etherlink and anything that gets built on etherlink is basically being built on
Tezos. And we go back to the same thing that we said earlier that when it all
comes together, because I want you also to think of the end product, right?
Tezos X. Imagine that the whole L1 state, all the dApps we have on L1
will be inside the Canonica rollup,
which will have the AVM side,
it will have the JavaScript side,
it will have so many different sides,
and they will all be able to interact with each other.
So any liquidity that is on Etherlink,
on the AVM side,
will be able to interact with the dApps on Tezlink
because there will not be different rollups.
They will all be one same rollup with different runtimes
that will be able to interact with each other.
So the way I view it, it's not like it's different chains
or like it is different ecosystems or anything.
Right now, it is.
Right now, it is because you have to bridge over there.
And Tezos is still on the L1. I mean, all the dubs that we have on DL1.
But what they're working on and they have been proposing
through the roadmap is that all that will migrate seamlessly.
They will not come to tell you, okay, you have to do this
and that to migrate in any way.
They will have a way too for the whole state,
even the transaction history and everything from DL1
to be also transferred to TezLink.
And all of that will be interconnected with everything else
that has been being built in the Canonica roll-up.
The first roll-up they had to build was the AVM.
They chose to build that one.
And the second one now they are working on,
they're working on Justice as well.
But the Tesling one, when they introduce it,
the plan is not to introduce it as a separate roll-up.
So you will have to bridge from Tezos to Tesling,
and from Tesling you will have to bridge to Etherlink.
That's not the goal.
The goal is to bring it down and create the first part
of that big canonical
roll-up where Tezlink and Etherlink will be interconnected, you know. Now, I will agree
that there hasn't been clear communication on that, and I think the reason is that there
haven't been as many developments on Tezlink and on other parts of the TezosX roadmap.
But now I know that they are working on it this year.
And earlier when I said that it's complicated matters,
I meant that exactly, the explanation of this whole vision,
because it has a lot of technicalities.
Even myself, I've been at TezDev,
I've been writing about many of this stuff,
stuff and I still didn't understand everything completely and I still don't.
and I still didn't understand everything completely,
and I still don't, you know?
But, um,
yeah, knowing that made me feel a lot better, honestly, because, uh, I shared a
lot of the same confusions that a lot of people here seem to be expressing, but
like, oh, it's connected, you know, it's official.
Oh, okay.
Cause, cause, uh, you know you know speaking from like like what happened on
ethereum i think it brings up a lot of anxieties where a lot of people started they own l2s and
they you know they went um they got subtracted for a while and they took the money and ran
and they never came back i want to get to this one point because it keeps getting lost because
it's been brought up a couple times here's Here's why that argument, which was not like a gospel argument, Kryptonio, when they said like, oh, but we're going to bring it.
That's just something that was like the second iteration of something to probably change again.
So we're reading too much into it.
Nobody cares if it's all interconnected, like years in the future, let alone.
It doesn't answer the question as to what's going on right now. And it's not that it's a problem that it's complicated.
It's that it's complicated is not an answer that, or there's clarity on this. It contradicts
itself when it's like, this is supposed to be outreach, but we're funding it so that we can
incentivize them to come in. So it's desperate outreach is what it feels outreach, but we're funding it so that we can incentivize them to come in.
So it's desperate outreach is what it feels like, because it contradicts that. And the other thing
is it breaks the continuity from the Tesla's thing you're doing and its independent identity.
And why, if we're going to merge them all and it's all going to be the same and we're all going to
become one thing of many one, why bother with the separate Etherlink branding in the first place?
It doesn't make any sense.
That's what is so hard on people because we have separate branding and something going distinct.
And clearly, some people have their needs right now, things that they would like to see met.
And it's understandable and not everybody's need can be met.
And that's going to happen.
But when they see it, it's like, why is it going to bear?
And the other
struggle is you have people that like we just can't do lip service constantly because like
someone sneezed wrong and it's like oh well i guess that's what it is it's like no they're just
give them a tissue it's okay like because then we just keep going far with it in inertia and then
we keep reinforcing it and it's like yeah yeah that's what it is no no it's not that like it
it's like apostasy for one thing because people what it is. No, no, it's not that. It's like apostasy for one thing,
because people take it that seriously.
And to say, well, just try and see,
just try and pretend Tezos is Ethereum for a while,
because we're going to go and bankshot it back
and stick it into Tezlink.
No, like either the whole...
The reason why people are getting excited
about the idea of Tezlink is because,
oh, this extends the Tezos narrative.
To start with Etherlink and then we're going to bring it all into the other stuff.
And we're going to lead with Etherlink.
It's the opposite of what everyone's looking for now.
It confuses the hell out of everyone.
It's like no one cares.
Let's say they
worked separately and then but also interconnected with each other. Would it make a difference?
We don't fucking know. Like it's so far in the future and abstract. But right now...
For me it would make a difference if it is interconnected in the future or not.
No one practically cares when they're talking about the things that are affecting them here today no it's just it's so nebulous and abstract that it could mean anything or nothing at
all but the reason why it's reverting to the technical side of it is because the first answer
to the question wait a minute what about the l1 that question was uh what well in my mind uh yeah
the l1 mickelson stuff okay Okay, Mickelson dabs.
Yeah, that's going to come in.
Oh, you know what?
Probably going to put it in the same smart roll-up,
and then it's all going to be one thing.
And then that became this idea of like,
and it doesn't answer any question going on.
It was like, of all the situations
when it's the technical person
is not giving the answer that the human wants to know,
like that's where it came from.
And then it was like,
and then we're just trying to translate it
into something that doesn't apply.
So it hasn't satisfied anyone.
And it just seems to cement the idea
that this is intentional brand erosion.
Because there's the way we can explicate it,
but there's the way they're just going to take it.
So it's really hard. That's why I'm so
glad now we're seeing, finally,
when Etherlink is shown in certain
logos and
banners and stuff, it is showing
at least a thing like, buy Tezos.
Oh, good.
Of course people weren't going to know.
How are they going to know?
That's pretty basic.
Hey, now, I'm just curious. This just might be on my screen. Wise, do you they going to know? Please do. I'll take it. I mean, like, look, I know it came a little bit heated, but I think it was somewhat warranted.
But ultimately, for me, it's not even about the I know someone mentioned the funding.
It's not.
Is it just me or is she like
I think she's
sputtering out
She was doing so well because but
she had to go off complaining about all these things and then that like screwed up her clear
time her clear air time and then you know the universe punishes her by when she really wanted
to say what she wanted to no one can hear her uh tragic that is very sad we. Almost at the two and a half hours. I feel like everyone's agreeing with each other in a different way.
We're all letting off the team.
We're venting right now.
This is what the space is for in general.
I want you all to know this is a community call because we like to have these conversations
and we're not afraid to have them with each other in a public place.
She did come in
with saying that she agreed with Kevin.
Which is mind-blowing. And the passion
behind everything she said, it just shows
how much she loves this place. It's not a matter
of anger.
It's love.
Hopefully we can get her back for her
final wise words.
I'm neutral on all
the Apple things so I'm just
watching enjoying the show
yeah same here I'm just watching
I don't think I have
any Apple
I just don't have the time to do that
I don't have time to do farming
I'm sorry
alright well folks we are as Kryptonio is slipping in the time to do that. I don't have time to do farming. I'm sorry.
Alright.
Well, folks, we are, as Kryptonio is slipping in, we are getting close to that
two and a half hour mark, and that's
like wild. We like to take
these deep, folks. I'm proud of you.
Let's see here.
Wise, do you want to try one more time
before we finish? Do you want to come up and say
one last thing? Because, I mean,
it was getting good.
And then like,
I was just,
it was,
it's like a really good cliffhanger,
you know,
we cut to commercial way too soon,
you know?
Yeah,
I wanted to hear the rest.
I did too.
But that's all right.
She dropped out.
Yeah.
All right.
Well,
I'm going to guess that her connection dropped.
Folks,
we love this chain.
If it's not obvious, y'all can hear the passion.
The fear and uncertainty is always going to be around not knowing what to do.
And I guess as a parent, people know that feeling when it comes to their kids,
watching their kids go off and do these things.
Pet owners, they feel it too.
Maybe as a sibling, you experience that for your brothers and sisters.
It's a terrifying thing when something you care about so deeply risks itself
and puts itself out there.
I think we're in a good place, folks.
I think we are finally starting to come to understand a bigger vision for this thing,
which can include everything that we've always had in our hearts and minds for this place.
As a community, it's a safe place to talk about these things.
It's a wonder that anything gets done in any of the other places,
other than what just happens for them.
This place is weird.
You have a say.
Your voice is being heard.
There are people listening, and change is happening.
The things I feel we are most concerned about are very valid,
and I also feel like right now they're the number one concern
and priority of people who can and will do things about them.
Talking about it lets us know where you're at.
Being honest about it, not sugarcoating.
I mean, being a cheerleader is amazing.
And being positive is huge.
Negativity doesn't help.
It's good.
It's necessary.
It offsets.
But it doesn't help. Come with a. It's necessary. It offsets. But it doesn't help.
Come with a solution if you're going to be negative.
Because then it's not just destructive behavior.
I believe the saying goes, we can hire anybody to tear down a building in less than 24 hours.
But we'd be damned if we don't hire the best engineers to make sure that it stands
for a lifetime we're building something huge here folks and every one of your concerns is 100%
valid and 100% correct because if it didn't bother you you wouldn't be saying something
we're working on putting this in a place where we can all confidently stand behind
and watch it run.
And if it happens to trip and bruise its knee because it made a bad decision or its feet were going faster than its brain,
or maybe the other way around, so be it.
But we're here to lift it back up, work together to push it forward.
You know, I think I'm going to go ahead and just say that's going to wrap up this week's Tuesday,
Tuesday community call. You know, I think I'm going to go ahead and just say that's going to wrap up this week's Tuesday TES Day Community Call.
So big thanks to everyone who came up here and contributed.
These conversations matter, especially during these slower stretches when it's easy to go quiet.
Now, don't forget, if you know someone out here doing good work for the TESA's community,
you can nominate them over at the TESA's Community Rewards Program at tezascommons.org slash rewards.
We will see you next Tuesday.
Until then, stay curious, stay connected, and we'll catch you next time. Thank you.
