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Tuesday | TezDay - Tezos Community Call
Recorded: May 20, 2025 Duration: 2:07:54Space Recording
Short Summary
The Tezos community is buzzing with excitement as TezCon 2025 approaches, promising a weekend filled with art, music, and innovation. Key discussions highlight the importance of partnerships, community rewards, and the launch of new tokens, all aimed at fostering growth and engagement within the ecosystem.
Full Transcription
Thank you. oh apologies sorry about that i was invisible when you're invisible they can't do much with you
it's my fault i should be more seen. Just kidding. Anyway, welcome back to Tuesday, Tez Day.
I'm Blankton, here with my co-host, Kryptonio, and tonight we're hosting another community call.
Open floor, open topics, and a chance to hear what everyone's working on, watching, or thinking about in the Tezo space.
watching or thinking about in the Tezo space.
Whether you're shipping something new, following governance updates,
deep in a bear market build, or just hanging out, we want to hear from you.
We've got a couple light updates we might throw in to get things started,
but as always, this is a space for conversation.
So settle in, hit that request request button and let's get into it
there's a new article by kryptonio called it's not tezos l1 versus etherlink it's all tezos and
it's worth a read if you've been feeling unsure about what etherlink actually is or where it fits
the gist is this some folks in the tezos community have seen etherlink as a
distraction or even a threat to the core protocol but this piece argues that etherlink isn't
replacing anything it's expanding the reach of tezos by offering new ways to build while still
being secured by the main chain it breaks down how etherlink teslink and even a javascript based
runtime called justice are all part of something bigger a unified vision called tezos x instead
of a bunch of disconnected roll-ups it's more like one chain with multiple building blocks
all speaking different languages but able to work. So if Etherlink looks and feels different, that's on purpose.
It's built to welcome new devs and new users without making them start from scratch,
but it's still Tezos under the hood.
You don't have to switch tools or wallets if you don't want to.
That's kind of the whole point.
Use what fits
you best. But the takeaway here is, let's not treat this like a civil war. The L1 matters,
Etherlink matters, and they're both pointing in the same direction. The full piece is up now over
at news.tezoscomments.org. If you haven't seen it yet, there's a new piece up on Spotlight.tezos.com covering everything you need to know about TezCon 2025, and it reads more like an open invitation than just an announcement.
28th and it's stepping things up with a bigger venue kenyon hall in west seattle and a full
weekend of art music panels and hanging out with tezzo's people in real life last year's event was
at the nft museum which has since shut down but the energy it sparked is still going strong
what makes this gathering different is that it wasn't designed top-down. It came out of community friendships, especially from the TezTones crew.
And it still carries that grassroots vibe.
Whether you're into smart contracts, NFTs, or just want to finally meet some of the folks you've been chatting with online, this is the kind of space where those connections happen.
This is the kind of space where those connections happen.
The article breaks down the full schedule from a Thursday walking tour of West Seattle to Sunday's Backyard Music Hangout for Hash Brown's birthday.
Saturday's the main event with panels, digital art curated by Taya, and live performances from people like Ryan Tanaka, B-Dwell, Hashbrown, and even The Singing Chef, if we're lucky.
There's a lot more in the write-up, including quotes from organizers like Jake and Ryan,
who both emphasize how important real-world connection is to keeping the Tezos art scene alive and inspired.
If you're on the fence, give the article a look. It just might tip you over.
Again, that's spotlight.tezos.com.
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That's where the baking sheet comes in.
Each week, it brings the latest Tezos news, standout community updates, and project highlights straight to your inbox.
No noise, no spam, just a solid recap of what matters.
If you're tired of hunting for info across feeds, this is the easy way to stay in the loop.
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Tezos Community Rewards should be clear consistent and actually useful tezos community rewards tezos grows because of
its community and it's time to recognize the people making it happen the tezos community
rewards program is your chance to spotlight creators builders and behind the scenes contributors
who deserve more credit do you know someone putting in the work nominate them over at
tezoscommons.org slash rewards or tag their post with a hashtag tezos crp let's make sure the real
ones get seen well all right that's what's been going on so now let's turn it over to you
these calls are where the best conversations happen there's no pressure
no script just real people showing up and sharing what they're building or seeing
if you've got something to say don't hold back request to speak jump on in kryptonio you ready
to start this off yes sir first of all how do i sound because i've been messing with my mic so clear you
you got blang's voice now oh no so clear i can't even tell you apart oh great you're
gonna need to downgrade man that's the only one that's gonna work let me mess up some
of my settings then.
No, you're great, man.
It sounds really good.
Good job.
Nice.
Kevin, welcome, brother.
You have jumped right on board.
We welcome you to the stage.
How the heck are you, my man?
Yes, yes, yes.
Thank you. And as you touched, I want to commend Kryptonio on starting that.
I think the best way of getting to start this conversation on the future of TezosX and pining a way that we can have the conversation about how the cohesive strategy works.
Because that was missing. And I think you did it well by starting with empathizing
where people are coming from
and where the concerns,
like what it feels like too.
It's not just like nuts and bolts.
It's also like this is a lot of,
this is an identity
and it's also a kind of a country.
It's where people live.
And it feeds very much, feel into every blockchain every sovereign blockchain ecosystem has that um yeah i do
i have still been getting in my inbox like a lot of questions from you know people like they're
still trying to figure this out. Some are just very confused.
Some are panicking and they got to settle that.
So I do think there is more to, and then, you know,
and we have to also, but I think the great thing,
I think I should also say is, you know, we're so,
we are so good in Tezos at being able to listen to the community and historically we've always done this and respond to it and be able to clarify things that need clarification.
And Tezos is built on community.
So it's all about that.
Yeah.
So I think what's left outstanding, I think I have got a lot of people that are like, okay, I get it. I get that this is all part of the same ecosystem.
shut down and when they see plenty shut down and then those guys going over to you know now they're
on they're doing well on etherlink uh with superlint and all that but then they also have
contracts with you know other chains it's kind of like you know so there is that um and also i mean
there are those like people get it um and they understand the role of, many people know the role of finance and what DeFi means to an economy.
And I think people legitimately do want to know, it's like, well, how does all this, that's great that it's doing, you know, as it's doing with the Apple farm on Etherlink, but how does that come here?
Like, oh, well, you can go there come back it's like
i got to go to a 0x address to come back to this but i'm already having it easier just to
do it here but you know that there's a i think there's um and i don't think to me it's like it
shouldn't be either or i think that they're both stronger if there's something together which has
kind of always been my point because you have the endogenous economy and exogenous.
But I think like these will be continuing concerns.
And there is a degree of fragmentation and there's good fragmentation and there's bad fragmentation, you know, and just like with anything, there's times you want to diversify and innovate and appeal to different entry points of different markets, which very much is a highlight
of Etherlink because there is massive amounts of liquidity in the EVM world and we can invite all
that in and those users. And then there's also things where, you know, well, this is also our
core and our base and we want to bring that up.
The only, the thing that I, I have seen some people, not everybody, some, there has been some people who have used, I think, abuse, maybe the call for unity or misunderstood it as a way to
just shut down conversation of concerns that are legitimate. And it's not like it shouldn't it shouldn't be
used as a something to say hey unify shut up and unify like but i wanna hey what are you divisive
so but that's not a problem with the call for unity that's just how i think some maybe have
taken it so i think if people want their
questions answered they should absolutely have those answered i don't think asking questions
is being divisive yeah i think maybe maybe being obtuse and having an opinion and trying to force
the opinion through questions is kind of divisive but that's a different thing right yeah i think a
lot i've noticed yeah a lot of times and this is just in this. This is like, I think, everything in life. A lot of times when people are reacting, they tend to phrase their question in the form of like a comment with with a conclusion that is implicit within it.
That maybe is not a good conclusion. There's a lot to unpack and they should break it down into questions and understand those things.
there's a lot to unpack and they should break it down into questions and
understand those things, but they don't, you know, but it's,
I think when I, when I hear something like that for like,
let's say something that I'm doing it's like, Oh, I didn't,
I wasn't clear enough about the, maybe the,
the roots of the concerns to make that clear. And then,
cause they're, if they're concluding this,
then I got to go back and I got to figure out how to make that. So, yeah.
And there is, I think, going to be a continuing struggle because, you know, like if we do have to always say...
I think we cannot help it.
Like, we will keep having, you know, parts that will be confusing.
We will keep having questions and people not being able to put the things together.
And it makes sense.
Even I can't put some things together.
I have questions about the whole Tezos X plan, right?
But that's because the whole plan is not laid out yet in detail.
You know what I mean?
Like we have the structure, we have the vision, let's say,
but not everything is already built technically and laid out
technically and ready to answer any question. To give you just a quick example, I still don't know,
for example, what's going to happen with the transaction history that is mentioned on the
roadmap and how that is going to work with Tezlink and how many dApps will migrate because
initially I thought that it will be all the dApps, all the state of the L1, but maybe that's
changing. I still don't know, you know, and how is it gonna work when Justice joins the picture,
right? And all the runtimes in the canonical rollup and what wallets will be used there?
and all the runtimes in the canonical rollup
and what wallets will be used there.
How will they coexist?
There are so many questions that it is totally legit to have,
but at the same time, we need to understand
that we can't have all the answers ready from the get-go.
Otherwise, we would have it implemented already, right?
Oh, and don't forget, we can start answering those questions
once we've decided how we want it all to function.
We can't answer those questions until that's been laid out.
I mean, if we would know that we cannot go a certain direction, then that's never going to be an option.
But if we leave it open or we're pushing for it or something along those lines, it kind of blocks us into a direction.
It's very important that we have a clear goal in mind before we start building toward it.
We just might build a big bridge over a precipice and stop,
like a lot of projects out there.
And we need to remember that the whole roadmap,
it has always been phrased as suggested roadmap,
because at the end of the day,
it's still going to have to go through the governance process
for most of the upgrades that will bring new features know new features and stuff so that's another part of it uh so maybe at some point of the whole you
know implementation of the vision the community doesn't agree with something and they don't vote
for it and at that point they will have to adjust the whole plan and to maybe change something so
At that point, they will have to adjust the whole plan and to maybe change something.
So I think it's not possible to have all the answers right now.
And I totally get the fact that so many people are confused about specific things.
But yeah, it's not a simple thing itself.
It's a complicated thing.
It's like this whole whole uh this whole you know
attempt to scale that way and build that thing is not something simple so it's unlogical to have
complexity in a way i don't know if you agree or what you think about it given
no yeah and i think to it to the own to the elevation of the current plans that have been ongoing and to honor it as it is, you also have to give it room to breathe as something that can, and I put a quote or tweet from Arthur up top, like that it's learning and things will refine and optimize as well. I think there's been some of the polarization I've seen
is that, nope, this is what it is.
If you can't get with the program, that's on you.
It's like, been around Teslas long enough
to know that our strength is also in our adaptability.
And that's why we have protocol upgrades.
Otherwise, if there weren't things to grow and improve over time, we would never need an upgrade.
Just principally, that's what it is.
So, you know, I like the way he said it here because I'll just read it.
Apple farms is just one approach.
There are other avenues to do this.
Apple farms is fairly small by DeFi standards.
It's useful as a learning experiment.
I'm glad it's not bigger given how
high the yields are. So, and yeah, like we're breaking in, we're penetrating in this new
environment. And it's the first of a lot of things, by the way. It's the first time there
was any kind of a sanctioned incentive program. It's the first time we use kind of these platforms
that where you have like other people are coming in from other
chains that maybe do yield farming and from one area to another um it's first time we're really
appealing so directly to evm market participants uh it's the first time i think a lot of people
are seeing in full swing these uh the ethyink projects. First time we're promoting so heavily the A-Smart roll-up.
There's a lot to learn.
And you could spend a long time even just dissecting and getting data and understanding from any one of these things, let alone how they all affect each other.
they all affect each other so so it is and the way i like to see it if for the people who are maybe
um like if it's just not hot on this thing altogether and it's like well at least then
you can think of it's like well isn't it good that it's happening on etherlink as opposed to
the thing that you know you know you want to see it happen on, maybe that's good. And then more optimal versions would come in another direction.
But or not.
Or it would go in the opposite way.
And this will be reinforced.
And we'll keep going down that way.
Yeah, I don't...
So to me, it is very important, I think...
Sorry, did I rug or did he rug?
You rugged.
You can't hear me. You did.
I can still hear him.
Sorry, it was me then.
Sorry, Kieran.
It's all right.
He can't hear that either.
I do think it is...
I think the narrative...
Scoping out from DeFi in general overall, because people are...
It's not like one thing over another when people I think there's a feel that
there's an um like a lot of the chatter is mostly etherlink um and they they are kind of glued into
a Tezos narrative approach it's it's understandably very confusing. And I did tweet about this before. It's like, if we have to keep saying
that Etherlink is Tezos,
it's because it's not obvious.
I think one person pushed back on that.
Like, are you kidding?
It's using XTCs.
It's like, how are they going to know that?
It's like, well, they'll do their own research.
Yes, research.
So it's not obvious.
You agree.
It's not obvious, unfortunately.
It's obvious to people who know where to look,
but if they don't know to look...
But there's benefits, I think,
to the deliberate choice of going forward
with the Etherlink model.
And it's partly because...
And I think this bears reminder,
especially to the people who are confused.
It's like this and apple farm, it wasn't designed.
Like to approach us, the, the Tesla fix Tesla's faithful, it was designed to expand
outward as an outreach brand so that people can come in and for EVM developers
to know that like, oh, this is not some other sovereign ecosystem that isn't compatible.
It needs to imply compatibility so they can bring their dApps here.
So like when you see it from the marketing approach, it's like, oh, so this isn't for us.
It's an entry point for others to come and invite them in.
I think that flips the confusion and aligns to coherence.
But that's really difficult to see, I think,
when we just see sort of the more blunt messaging of just Etherlink.
Because you can't start and end every...
I used to say that, if you remember in my tweets, I don't know, a year ago.
Every tweet about Etherlink, I had to put before or after it.
Tezos is an EVM-compatible L2 that makes it easy for people
to bring their dApps to Tezos without having to rebuild the whole thing.
You couldn't talk about it without that.
But I mean, it's just not possible to have every tweet have that context.
So people are going to see Etherlink and they're going to get confused.
But yeah, yeah. have that context so people are going to see etherlink and they're going to get confused um but yeah yeah um i think the and i think uh attention will also move to uh teslink or whatever
we end up calling it um i have uh suggestions on that front preparing a little memo on that. But we'll probably get thrown out.
Tell us.
Tell us.
Well, no, I just, I think it's good to have,
for something like this, we,
I think in terms of saving,
I mean, and it'll save money too.
I think the foundation loves saving money, does it not?
But also it'd be good for the approach
if it's more of like a brand elision by design,
if it's a, you a brand elision by design if it's a you know a implicit suffix
so like uh the example i use is you know you had xbox and then xbox 360 now kid says i'm going to
go home and play xbox and you're like okay maybe it's an xbox 360 kid's not going to go say i'm
going to go home play xbox 360 what a dork. But it is a distinct product. It's backwards compatible. It is a consistent upgrade from the thing that they're used to. It doesn't discount or alienate the stuff that came before it. It invites it in. key because something I noticed, and I didn't know this before until I just, just talking with
a lot of people in these spaces and people who are coming, just in the Tesla's community, that
if they hear the word migration, a lot of people freak out. And especially I think with art,
I think a lot, and a lot of people said, is all my art going to be gone? It's like, no,
what are you talking about?
And even the idea of bridging it over, we don't necessarily, even though technically these things are done,
we don't necessarily, not in user experience or just in outlining the future of what's going to happen,
have to present it in a way that implies more of a break than it needs to be.
Moreover, we don't want to have a separate separate this is where the cost stuff comes in do you want to have separate representation and teams
and a new discord for the tes link and why would that be the case um you know and then also it
you know there is kind of an like we're not calling it js link we're calling it justice right
there's so um like it it gives every each of the smart roll-ups
their own unique identity without implying inherited
aspects of the other.
We let the fact that they would be cross-compatible as chains
do that talking.
It doesn't and probably shouldn't
be in the narrative branding approach, not in the marketing.
So like Tezos. I think in the end, so you know i'm like tezos i think
i think in the end we will be using just the tezos like we will be saying yeah yeah you can do that
on tezos or when you are asked like uh okay but what what are you building on you will be naming
the the runtime right which is which will be like etherlink or Justice or Teslink or whatever. Right. And a question I have that I don't know the answer to yet is,
I wonder when Teslink comes out, how is it going to be implemented?
Because I suspect there is a chance that they would immediately make it one
with Etherlink.
Like we will already have a canonical rollup
with just two runtimes to start with.
So it will be Teslink and Etherlink.
So they will have instant breaches between them
and stuff like that.
Because I do recall early in January,
there was a discussion in Test Force on Telegram.
And one of the core devs said that the plan was for them to actually...
Right now, we have one roll-up with one runtime,
which is the EVM runtime Etherling.
And they are planning to introduce a second EVM runtime, let's say,
to try and do the connections between them.
I don't know exactly what.
And then they will turn that second one into one more minimalistic, time let's say to try and do the connections between them i don't know exactly what and then
they will turn that second one into one uh more minimalistic like uh without smart contracts you
know but it will be tezos compatible one and that's how they were planning i think to introduce the
michaelson in rust and like make it tesling basically So there is a chance when Teslink comes out,
it will already be
totally, you know, interoperable with Ethrolink.
Like anything builder will be able to use Ethrolink dApps
and Ethrolink dApps will be able to use like Teslink.
So if that happens,
if that's the way that it's gonna be implemented, there will be no more points to say,
I'm using Tezlink, I'm using Afterlink. It will be one rollup, you know?
TezosX, basically, the canonical rollup, but in an early stage.
But that remains to be seen. And that goes back to what we were saying. We still don't have all the answers.
But that would be cool.
Yeah.
I remember before the roadmap was unveiled,
and people were thinking, I remember
those involved core development, and were thinking
in terms of not Etherlink, just thinking in terms of not Etherlink, like just the thinking in terms of layer two and the idea that,
oh, DAPs would want to probably move to layer two.
And there was probably the idea that there will be a
Mikkelsen one and there would be a Justice and the other thing,
but it wasn't set in that like set in that way and they
and there was a thought of like etherlink and l2 to the mind i think of a developer who's laying
the bedrock of all l2s down using perhaps and this hasn't been said in a very long time but like
like etherlink and l2 interchangeably like so or the idea of like the future of tezos l2s
and etherlink using it interchangeably.
So I think when some people heard, and I remember having to clarify this for quite a few, that they'd be like, oh, we'll move the L1 dApps to Etherlink.
And what?
It's like, they didn't mean it that way.
They meant like, no, they'll have an L2 option.
Like, it doesn't mean that they're they have to go to this thing
um so yeah i think that was a you know i think some people need to remember how but that was because there was no it wasn't articulated like the L2 roadmap wasn't it was a year ago more than
a year ago like it wasn't articulated in in that way so that led to confusion it became more clear
i think there's still more places for clarity of course and yeah
another thing it's like we'll have zero x wallets ntz wallets um and so how that would come to be
uh i do think um but yeah definitely uh maybe we can unify all that through like
a domain name or something that's the other thing i think there was a an issue
when and there this was this laid out several issues but um and i posted about this in the
teslos domains um forum when the thing with free name that company that does domains on multiple
chains everywhere.
First of all, like Tezos Domains, right?
Tezos.domains, that's been a community project for years.
You know, it started how many years ago now?
Four years ago.
And then, yeah, about four years ago,
people registered the domains or knew their domains,
many people buying, you know, trading happening.
You know, of course, it suffered during the market.
TED token coming out, going into a DAO. we have a DAO now, all that stuff, people associating their names and their identities and Tezos with the Tezos domains. It's a whole thing.
Then one day, everybody woke up and it's like, oh, hey, we have a partnership with,
Etherlink has a partnership with Freename. And then they're just putting out dot Etherlink domains. And it's like, wait, what?
What? Like you're doing it like that. And then, you know, I'm a delegate for Tesla's domains. I
didn't know that was going to happen. And meanwhile, you do see other like Ethereum,
right? Like our ENS, you have the .eth domains.
And if you look at their trajectory, they're moving it as they have many L2s
in the Ethereum world that resolved to Ethereum layer one.
But the push has been for the .eth domains to span across
and be used across all the Ethereum layer twos.
So like, well, is there any reason
why we wouldn't be able to use our .tez on Etherlink?
Why have a whole separate thing?
So that's the kind of thing that,
and I think it's very emblematic,
I think of the concerns people have had,
because that's where you get to issues of identity.
So, and I really mean that emblematic,
because it's an identity fragmentation. And also, as well as maybe the way in which things are happening and people are very, like, they're just kind of happening and it's not like with too much discussion beforehand that people can maybe process it and get involved and contribute to the way in which things flow.
But, you know, this is a new, I keep saying it, this is uncharted territory. It's the first time the ecosystem has approached this kind of thing, and it won't be the last time.
So we do need to do things.
And if there were things that could be done better in the future, well, we have the ability to examine that
and say, okay, that's a good kind of lesson.
I don't know how well the Etherlink domains are doing,
but I do know we are,
as in the Tezos domains world,
we've been talking and looking about that,
how we can extend .tez to Etherlink,
to justice and all of that.
I think that really should be the case because I mean,
with innovations and integrations and all of that,
who's going to be more on top of it than us?
I think definitely it keeps things unified.
Yeah.
For one, I'm never changing the dot test domain for my name.
Like it's the coolest.
Come on.
Beautiful, isn't it?
So of course it is.
So, um, another thing that I have been being mentioned, uh, and some people
asking is why,
like if the plan is to unify everything,
and you know, with Teslink and Etherlink later on,
why not push to bring all these new projects and integrations
to the L1 since it's going to be moved to the canonical rollup as well,
and they're going to be unified.
So why do you keep pushing Etherlink?
And I think that an answer to that would probably be,
first of all, the nature of the EVM space.
It's much, much easier to bring in projects
that have already built their contracts and their stack
and their infrastructure in the EVM space to bring them to another EVM environment.
Compared to asking them, hey, build it from scratch using Michelson and using, you know, all this new stack.
That's one. And second, especially in cases like with gaming, for example, our L1 right now is not optimized.
It's not scaled enough compared to the L2s,
compared to Etherlink and compared to Teslink that will come.
It will be much easier, for example, to tell somebody
when he wants to build a game to build it on Teslink,
where you will have like sub-second uh blocks you will have
latency throughput high speeds it will be much easier to make a case for him to build there
than on the l1 as it is right now kevin you remember what it was like trying to to work
with the contracts with tes finn back before we were even like sub-minute? Oh, it wasn't that.
It was like, so we didn't have views on,
for Tezlo smart contracts until the end of 2021.
And this is after the DeFi bubble already kind of,
or like the DeFi, not bubble,
like the rush for it on Tezlo's head.
It was a bubble.
It was a bubble though.
It definitely, well, you know, I don't want to,
because that brings in other associations.
They're all bubbles.
No, well, if you look at the,
you can just look at the TVL and how things kind of moved.
And I remember saying back then, it's like, you know,
it's going to be really hard to retain liquidity
if you don't have lending.
That's the whole point.
I mean, otherwise, just logically, it doesn't make any sense.
Economically, it doesn't make any sense.
We're trying to get Tezfin out, but to do it without having views of the smart contracts,
and for people who want to know, basically it means your app can look at what's the latest data at the top of the smart contract
without having to go and read the entire history of the smart contract to see all this stuff like it's a very uh like it's very hard to do that but
given the way how it was an old school way tezos was actually yeah well tezos was actually but
this wasn't like it's not like we forgot to be able to allow that it's tezos like in the beginning
foundations of tezos core we were built in a way that for security reasons to prevent reentrancy attacks, which was a very big deal and still is a big deal.
And you see the news once in a while of things that go wrong in other ecosystems.
But at the cost of that is we didn't really prioritize.
And this is the way it's been explained to me by people far more technically brilliant than I.
That we weren't able to do the views thing first.
We weren't able to have those kinds of dApps that have the kind of callbacks you need for lending.
So we tried for a very long time to build a workaround to not having views.
And then by the end of 2021, it's like we had views.
And then it's like, okay, so then we had to rebuild our dApp.
But by the time we finished and Upana finished,
we were in the depths of the bear market.
But now we're coming out of the bear market.
And the thing I would say...
Wait, hold on.
Yeah.
So you're telling me that the chain itself
wasn't where it needed to be
and I wasn't really sure what it was going to do to fix it,
but it came around to it and fixed it and put you in a position where you were better off is that what happened
yes yes we evolved we adapted we evolved and we did it in an optimal way and that's uh you know
it's like uh and that's the way i think what i always expect we always expected that for tesla
once you hear about on-chain governance and how it's done in this more democratized fashion.
You know, the trade-off between autocracies and democracies,
you can trade off the speed of getting stuff done with doing it in an optimal, correct way.
And, you know, that's...
I mean, that's not directly related to this,
but the patience, I think, was already kind of built into a lot of
us because that's kind of the expectation of the premise of the values of Tezo. So that's fine.
But yes, lending actually doesn't require, I'd say, it doesn't require sub-second block times,
which you definitely need for something like high-frequency trading. So yeah. But yeah,
trading uh so yeah um but yeah so i i do think that uh we should get credit markets uh uh
blowing and growing not just that it's i don't think this is it's a weird like the dichotomy
to me is the false dichotomy to me is just so strange where it's like and i don't i feel like
there are sometimes like someone says something and then someone fires back in an equal and opposite way and neither were correct, but then people get very entrenched and then that's how polarization works.
It's like, no, no, no, this is good.
We should have, I think, credit markets for the L1.
We can have these recursive, endogenous economic effects for a virtuous cycle
and then we can um you know and then that would be great i think even make etherlink even bigger
and and retain a lot more uh and so we can oh and the other yeah that was the other point the
to what you were saying kryptonio part of it is we can bring dApps in very quickly.
I remember at the Singapore Accelerator, the Superlend guys were talking about how they
were able to just fork Aave V2 within an hour or something and just get it running. Obviously,
that wasn't the version that they had a lot of changes until it came to be, but it just goes to show you can get a beta going a lot.
So a lot of our lessons in the ecosystem are going to come from Etherlink in that way because a lot of the hard work was already done.
Then it comes to, and there was a conversation about this until yesterday about infrastructure, because there are a lot of support mechanisms where,
like fire blocks, but fire blocks we already have, like centralized exchanges, OTC desks,
different types of payment protocols, all kinds of things. They use this infrastructure called fire blocks to facilitate all of that.
So we have that.
We've actually had that since 2023.
I don't know anyone that's used it yet,
but FA12, FA2 tokens are already supported.
But if we were to go to every infrastructure provider like BitGo,
and it becomes very expensive.
That's the idea that it's too expensive to obtain.
I still think we can't necessarily do it right away,
but I think we can make use of the ones we
already paid for and have established.
That's also what makes it i think a lot easier to get certain types of program
betas going yeah and don't forget too man we're all here because of a certain style and a certain
thing we're expecting and a certain like everything that we've come to understand about tesla's we're
here because of that what worked for us obviously didn't work for them so they're going a different
direction and if it doesn't make sense to us,
that might be a good thing
if you understand how marketing works.
It's not a good thing if you're into security and comfort.
But sadly, if it doesn't make sense to us,
it might actually be making sense to people
who we couldn't reach before, which is kind of cool.
Now, I just want to interrupt, Kevin.
I do apologize.
I just want to say anyone else
is welcome to speak to whether you got
something to show like a topic to raise
or just a question just throw up your hand
I'm not taking away from Kevin's
time up here just saying it's
everybody's time it's not just
us having a guys
chat up here you guys can come join us too if you want
or if you just want to come hang out too
but anyway keep going Kevin we love you man thanks for coming up dude do appreciate you taking the time to do this
kevin do you have any idea what the s proposal is gonna have is going to have hey blangs
well i guess and everybody sorry if i'm just interrupting i uh requested and then you brought
me up but my uh i went silent for a second so i couldn't tell if you were telling me to hop up or
if you were uh tell me give me a oh yeah no i think it seemed like kevin was rugging out there
and then it got
real quiet and you picked a perfect time, Randall. Sorry, Kevin, something happened there. Go ahead,
Randall. I just wanted to talk about a couple things like to add to the conversation ongoing.
I think it's really easy to, when we're in the moment like this where there's changes happening,
When you're when we're in the moment like this where there's changes happening, it's really easy to get worried, right?
And not be able to see the big picture and the long term kind of goals, right?
Like in the Tesla's Foundation's defense, art wasn't on the roadmap, right?
So like myself, I'm like, I feel like they recognized art as a value to the chain and they won't just turn their
back on it. I think though, when we look back in the future, we'll see it'll all
make more sense. But when we're living in the moment, it's harder to sometimes put
it all together, right. And to really analyze what's going on and really grasp
the whole, the whole picture. But I do think that they, they're, they probably
recognize, you know know the art is a
valuable thing the nfts are a valuable thing so i don't want to just ruin that right they put any
other uh verticals in there i didn't think they put any verticals in i thought it was just like
literal like systems upgrades what they were looking at doing well i thought the whole uh
modular thing i've been trying to kind of get my head wrapped around a little bit and the changes coming but I
I'm not the most tech savvy, but I just kind of hope that they're not going to just
Rug the artists in the community
What goes where on these these systems, they're not going to be like gaming belongs on etherlink and it can only be there
and art has to be on this they're not making any of those denotions they're not even claiming that
those are going to be how or where they're just giving options for development in the future
it's not a matter this this roadmap isn't a where they're going to be focusing all their time and
energy from now on this is just specifically for the systems upgrades.
This doesn't have to do with the cultural side of things
that are still going to be happening.
This doesn't have to do with art initiatives.
This is specifically to the developers as far as like,
think of it like a GitHub upgrade.
You're not going to be showing the user base in this GitHub upgrade.
You're not going to be like 30% of our users that are using this.
No, it's going to be this code is broken.
We need to fix this.
Here's a fork that we've been working on.
Does that make sense?
Yeah, that makes more sense.
Cause I also look at it like,
if object moves to one of the other sections of TES
or whatever you wanna call it modules
or layer two, whatever,
everything still that we've already minted is on IPFS so it's
still gonna point there and if you type in object comm do you really know where
where where your data is coming from in a way you know what I mean like it
doesn't really oh yeah like that's I think we're getting worried and they
don't necessarily need to I think what what we're entering into is an opportunity where you have that option if it suits your
needs now.
Like Kevin said, lending, you don't need half hour blocks or half hour long blocks might
be terrible, but don't really affect the effectiveness of lending.
Whereas with high frequency trading, you're going to be going in the millisecond range.
You're going to need to do thousands of transactions in a second.
And that's not possible on our L1 right now.
And so we can facilitate that using L2s that are still enshrined
and still using the L1 to finalize everything.
And that's not saying, well, because of this now,
we are no longer art-centric. We are no longer focusing on art. I don't think that's not saying well because of this now we are no longer art centric we're no longer
focusing on art i don't think that's the case at all i feel like maybe maybe marketing could
highlight some things that they're still working on so that people don't feel like they're left
in the dark but at the same time they're really focused on pushing something right now that they
think is really important and that could feel like we're getting left in the
dark but i promise you we're not kevin i see your mic's working again yeah sub-second block times is
what uh you don't need sub-second block times for lending you need it for high frequency trades but
yeah no there's no yeah the the um the tesla's x roadmap yeah exactly it's not about like the
verticals so and the other thing is like art isn't going to be, um,
Oh, Oh, hold on.
The verticals.
When we say that we're talking about the different like focuses of what the,
the foundation is looking at, like it would be it defy, be it gaming, be it art,
be it, you know, those are the use cases, the apps, the apps.
I know we keep growing this word verticals around and it's not a
good word because you might not know what that means.
It's, it's about the technology that lets it.
So it's really, um, you know, going to be cryptic, I think to most people.
So I think, uh, yeah, the clarity for one thing is look, nothing has to change at all.
And only this is where it gets really tricky.
And I'm still even trying to figure out the right words, because I know migration is not a good word.
And because for one thing, things don't need to migrate. And also, it's not getting left behind
if it doesn't migrate, because that's that's important, too. It's just for certain types of
dApps, this stuff will matter. And I think there's also a lot of excitement when you see, I think, a lot of statements from core developers.
Because, you know, they make what they make and they're proud of it.
And right, they should be.
It's a fantastic achievement.
But I think there might be some, like, a lot of the tweets that people have been asking me about, like, it might come from the perspective of people who are thinking only about the technology and it seems like this is overshadowing or taking over.
It's like, no, no, no.
First of all, your Tezos experience doesn't change.
I see most of everybody who are developing, they're developing on L1.
And whether that evolves into Tezos, the layer two for the Tezos native world. I like to say Tezos native
instead of TezLink, Tezos L1. But like, you know, that that's like based on, I guess, a need basis.
But but yeah, like that's I think that's the kind of capital that matters so much.
What I what I I do want to address this, though, because I think a lot of people have,
in the kind of entrenched conversations that I'm referring to, which are unfortunate to see,
but I have seen things where there's a diminishment of art from people, I think,
and it shouldn't be the case. These things should not be polarized.
We should be working towards how can these things
can affect and help one another.
And if people feel like, oh, there's
a disconnect between what I'm working on
and maybe what this helps, it's like, hey, Randall,
I think you can, can you mute your mic if you're not?
Because there's some background stuff going on.
So yeah, I think it's important to to look towards solutions and um
because we're all still figuring that stuff out um and yeah the and definitely the uh especially
yeah gaming very much so i think there's it's going to be very hard to do gaming without
subs like the kind of rich gaming you want to get to without sub-second block times.
And definitely high-frequency trading, that kind of stuff.
But yeah, there's a lot of things.
And even the DAO coming in, that's going to enable much more stuff.
And the RISC-V engine, these are things that apply to the entire ecosystem.
It's not one chain or another.
And this is still very abstract or whatever.
I like to use kind of out there examples to say,
what can the RISC-V engine do?
I think I would be saying, well, and this is true.
You can use it to enable Tezos use in hardware.
So you can eventually get to a Tezos phone or microwave or whatever.
But, you know, it's not just that.
There are a bunch of other things that need to get done.
So that's why people are working on that stuff.
We have a juicer that's connected to the internet, remember?
I don't know why, but it did.
I have an Amazon Alexa microwave.
I've never used the Alexa feature.
It's probably stealing my data or something.
But, you know, I was curious.
It came from Amazon.
They made a microwave.
And, yeah, it doesn't make any sense.
But I have it.
What is the functions?
I'm going off.
I'm sorry.
But what are the added functionality of adding Alexa to a microwave?
I'm just curious.
I don't know.
It's like, ask Alexa.
And it's like, ask Alexa what?
I don't get it.
What can you do?
It doesn't make any sense.
How long do I defrost my two pounds of chicken?
No, okay.
Go on.
Sorry.
Nobody asked for it.
You could probably get your popcorn done like a hot dog then.
Yeah.
Pop my popcorn a little darker.
You sick.
I'm going to just add a little bit to something that Randall mentioned.
That, you know, like he was saying,
I hope that the art community doesn't get ragged
and stuff like that.
And I want to say that from my perspective,
I think that most of the initiatives
that are happening on L1 right now are art-related.
I mean, like things that are, you know,
collaborations or fundings from trillitech
or even from us from tesos commons like even our small grants most of the grants that we have given
out this year and the previous years i think have been around art uh not all of them you know uh you
see them but most of them are art related because everybody understands that right now art
is a strong part, especially on L1 right now. And another thing is that I don't know if you guys
watch like interviews that Arthur gives because he speaks a lot of technical stuff and everything,
but every time he gets asked about one good thing, like what one real thing,
what is being done on Tels, he is always so proud about the art community.
Did I get rucked?
I don't know.
Kevin, I can hear you.
I don't think they're going to ruck it, though, if I gave that impression.
I think it's the opposite, that they recognize the value in the art community on the chain. I also, I also think like,
we're also seeing something that like, I can't think,
I don't know of another chain that's quite as evolving the same, right?
As Tezos, like other chains are just kind of like, we're, we're a chain.
We're up here. Here's what you got. And you know,
they'll upgrade security over time, but they don't,
they're not
doing anything quite like tesla's is right in terms of how fast it evolves yeah i don't think
that anybody like yeah but i think like the uh on-chain governance um i can't recall which
chains but i feel like there's a couple chains that are trying to adopt that or new chains coming on that see that and are kind of now they're taking like Tesla's has the trailblazer program, but it's also kind of being a trailblazer in those regards to the other chains are, are kind of following what Tesla's does.
Right. That is something I've been suggesting that we should reinforce because I think those of us who are in Tezos understand the on-chain governance.
Right.
But if you look at the tezos.com site, it should be much more front and center than it is.
should be much more front and center than it is.
Like our core competency should be front and center.
Our core competency should be front and center.
Like what makes us unique and our unique value proposition,
because it's kind of like in the mix of,
I don't know what you call it in web design,
but it's like those little cards that say here,
there's this feature and that feature and this feature.
Like the on-chain governance isn't a feature.
It's much more defining than that.
And so we should talk about it more.
And also we should evolve the on-chain governance.
I think there's been a lot of feedback over the years. We've had so many on-chain governance
and we've become demonstrated our strength in it so much more and more over time as it's become
having good healthy contentions and upgrades that are very much not a rubber stamp by the
governance, things that have failed, things that were a community proposal has passed through. So we keep, as time goes on,
and things that, you know, there have been good suggestions of how to improve it. So I think
evolving that also definitely implicitly highlights how strong that this unique value
proposition is. And I think we should publicize it.
When we have something like a governance proposal had to restart or fail or whatever,
let's alert the media.
It sounds strange, but I think it actually does more good than to do that, to say, oh,
wow, Tesla's governance is not a rubber stamp.
Its users do decide it. And there's a struggle there, but I imagine it's ultimately healthy for
that group of people. That's what an outsider that might be curious would say.
I also think that there might be, I think some people might think like, oh, well, do people
really care about on-chain governance? They do. I think when you really explain it to them, people ultimately agree with it.
It's just that they didn't know that this is what Tezos is about until you explain it.
So I think our messaging on that can improve, and we haven't really talked about it for too long.
But I did ask Arthur, even on the Etherlink podcast that Alan Gordon and I have been doing,
that why do we need Tezos?
What is that thing that's different?
That was the first question I asked.
And then he said, it's the on-chain governance.
It comes down to that.
It's still very much that.
It's just the new technology upgrades tend to be the more
exciting stuff that get a lot of the attention. But even if we didn't have the most advanced
technology, even if we were behind in every way, I would still say Tezos is better because
the on-chain governance enables us to ultimately have the best innovation because we're not forking.
We're bringing in the ideas from all over the world and we're optimizing them.
We're reconciling between maybe people have different opinions on things to make sure that we all go forward together.
It's a unified thing.
And by the way, that's even better for financial institutions who'd want to get in, because we're always talking about that,
you can trust that this chain will stay united, that they don't have to worry about
fragmentation and hard forks. When Ethereum had the merge, the big merge, which is actually a
fork, but they called it the merge, there was a lot of people who were resistant to it.
And there was the Ethereum proof of work chain, which is still actually active.
And there was concern for a few days, like, oh, my God, is this how it's going to be?
There's going to be two Ethereums.
JP Morgan put out this sort of red alert memo internally saying Ethereum is far less decentralized
than it was before.
We're very worried about this.
There's like these two rival chains.
And they didn't know what was going to happen to USDC and USDT and all these assets that
have been built on this thing that was once one chain, which is now two.
Because technically, whatever off-chain assets they refer to now have to report.
You cannot argue that there's one real ethereum and another one that isn't because technically they both are they both
came from the same origin point it's just that they unzipped as a zipper um like left twix and
right twix like it's the it's going to be that like that's how that works tesla's prevents that
from happening so you never have to worry about that and when it comes to financial institutions and their actuaries their risk
assessment these types of concerns like you know the margin of difference that that makes for
like their bottom line is huge so the fact that teslos precludes that from happening in in principle
and in practice is is a very big deal. So yeah,
we should up play that and it resonates. And by the way, we don't need to get, yes,
DGENs are going to always want the pump.fun type things. They're not concerned with these larger
structural matters, but we don't need to get the majority of people behind us to win.
It doesn't make any sense.
No, the people who will build the future,
if we get the sincere on-chain governance vote,
to which even if it were one out of 20 people,
it's definitely a lot more than that.
I would actually argue it is the majority.
But even if it were a small minority,
that is more than enough.
But we definitely can't...
I think it's important to make sure
that we reiterate that as the plot and not lose that plot.
So I think, yeah.
And I think everyone involved knows that.
It's what's kept us here.
It's what kept me here.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
By the way, I do want to give a quick shout out
to Juniper who is down in the audience
and I will pin the tweet from Afterlink
because they have tomorrow, yeah is it tomorrow? coming May 21st, Rarible, it is on Rarible though
but yeah in case you don't know Juniper is 70 years old
who is an artist
on Tezos and her father
Hello Carmelo who is a great
community member has been
helping her
with everything on Tezos
and tomorrow they
have
their first drop
let's say on Etherlink.
So I just wanted to give the shout out because I know that if her father is not on the account,
she can come up and talk about it.
And closing the parentheses.
If you're just joining us, this our weekly tuesday test day community call
no speakers no agenda just open discourse feel free to jump in thanks everybody for joining by
the way i do appreciate you all without you this show doesn't happen doesn't exist love you guys
thanks for coming okay i i think it's hello carmelo coming on the stage
hey guys yes it is hello carmelo on juniper hello hello hello i hope everyone's doing well today
um good to hear everyone i just finished doing some hours of landscaping and so i'm not going
to talk long i'm all hot and sweaty and need to go eat some lunch but yes we can't smell you no that's i think good for you
guys um so yeah you know we're super excited uh juniper's first big drop is tomorrow her pfp drop
it's based off of her little sushi meme which was one of the first meme coins
launched on organic growth on etherlink almost a year ago um we uh you know i'm i'm here on tezos
partly because i believe in the community i believe in the on-chain governance um really
i believe in the community it's just like to me Tezno's community is one of the coolest communities digital or in real life I've ever been a part of super supportive interesting
creative diverse people from you know international from around the world and it's to me it's such a
cool opportunity to invest in the future like the long-term future. You know, when I joined crypto like five years ago, I started on
an Ethereum world and I found a few other youth kind of families that weren't minting. But it was,
yeah, it was largely degen activity. And I was very careful about, you know, bringing Juniper
and her art on there. I did a little bit, but yeah, when I discovered Tezos, it was like, wow,
these are my people. And these are the people that I want juniper to be around and i want her to grow
up with honestly like i i really believe it and so uh who knows we'll see what happens with tezos
in 2027 and beyond but i you know we're here for it and i really want to invest in this for the
long term for juniper and i would love to see like a whole new educational system built on tezos
someday we're far off but who knows like i really see it could be possible um regardless uh the
whole point here is we're we're doing this job on etherlink and we're going to bring all the funds
from etherlink back over to tezos l1 and try and start a bakery for juniper. I will be obviously trying to figure out all the technicalities
and running it for quite a while until she's able to take it on herself.
But the idea is to pass it on to her.
And, you know, maybe someday she can become like an ambassador
for her generation for Tezos or an inspiration for her generation
and maybe other families.
That's the goal.
And, you know, we're
also really reaching out to the Tezos and Etherlink community to like, forget about all the drama,
realize that every angle you look at this is a positive angle. Juniper needs support. She's seven
and it's her dream to become a professional artist. So you guys know what to do. And yes,
this, because we're bringing it back to l1 there's zero
confusion around whether this supports tezos or not guys it's pretty obvious this is
a tezo supportive drop and uh i am yeah i guess i'm asking for everybody's support just straight
up i'm her dad and i want to see her succeed and uh i want to see what comes of it so much
love to all y'all i'm gonna be posting like a madman this
afternoon wait before you go before you go give us some details man like if somebody you know uh
hears it for the first time how does the allow list work when is the drop yes give us some
details man thank you kryptonio um i'm learning. I have such a tendency to just talk and talk and
talk in these spaces when I don't see people. And I forget that there's a whole group of people
listening and engaging. So yes, thank you for asking. The drop is tomorrow morning,
I believe 7 a.m. Pacific time, which I guess is like 2 p.m. UTC time is the allow list and that
will run for two hours let's see who is on the allow list we really want to
bring the world of women from aetherium into you know welcome them into Tezos
with a young lady named Juniper who is doing a drop and realize that she may be
a future boss lady just like them and they're they're starting a coin on on etherlink and they're joining the tezos ecosystem
we are also bringing in long necky lady owners from ethereum that is where juniper got her start
with nyla hayes she was one of the youth artists that had a big huge successful drop back in 2021
um and then uh so those are the main two ethereum groups and then basically anybody who
dropped bought any of the drops on etherlink thus far so any of the links drops or any of the
featured artist drops um that have happened over the last number of months um you are on the allow
list um so if you i don't want to say any NFT on Etherlink, but most of the NFTs on
Etherlink or the drops, if you bought one, you are on the allow list. Allow list pricing is one Tez
for a sushi meal and public list pricing is two Tezos for a sushi meal. So very accessible either
way for a lot of folks. But if you want half price on the sushi meal
uh you gotta get in in those two hours um and let's see there are 3333 sushi plates um
three is the magic number and it's coincidental and awesome that the tezos community is celebrating
their third birthday with a uh three is the magic number contest.
And so it just happened to be that way.
But yeah, we're going to try and sell out these sushi plates.
We're very aware it may not happen right away, but we're pretty dedicated to making this happen as long as it takes.
And let's see what else.
I think that's most of the info.
So yeah, tomorrow at 7 a.m. Pacific time,
tomorrow 9 a.m. Pacific time is the public drop.
And I would love to field any other quick questions,
if anybody has any, about the drop or anything else.
Absolutely, man.
I'm glad I bought some of the previous drops on Etherlink
because I can join the allow list tomorrow.
But yeah, I mean, even if you don't sell out,
anything that gets sold,
any amount that gets raised
is going towards a new bakery on Tezor.
So I can't help but support, man.
Awesome.
Well, we really appreciate your support and everyone
else who's listening uh who's supported juniper you know from a father's point of view i just
uh it makes me tear up it's really really awesome so thank you all and we're super excited and uh
yeah you know you'll see lots more info this afternoon and this evening and uh you know like i said uh
once again try and put aside any drama around etherlink aside and realize this is a seven-year-old
that wants to become an artist and she uh she could use the support even if you don't want to
buy anything you know what she really loves is when people like offer anecdotes on her page that
are directed towards her or comment on her art like that stuff she sees
and really does you know lift her up and uh it's awesome you know just the the engagement is is
amazing so so any support sharing liking retweeting of course purchasing a sushi meal um but uh we
love y'all and uh we can't wait to see what happens. So keep up the good work, Tizzo's community,
and I'm going to go eat some lunch,
and I'll keep on listening as things go on.
I appreciate you, man.
Yeah, thank you for coming up, man.
My pleasure.
All right.
Well, anyone else, if you've got anything else you would love to share come on up get on the board and just share or if you just want
to come hang out come say hi more than welcome to come join us if you have any
questions comments concerns we also sometimes deal with those sometimes
yeah well there we go.
We got another request.
Yay.
Come on up here.
Oh, well, I hope you are.
Oh, we got three?
Perfect.
Get them all.
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whole room up yeah put the whole room up on stage all right wonderful okay you go ahead and start
introducing wait wait i only see uh rubisco and spoon up on the stage, but Red requested first, but she's not
up yet. I don't know if it's glitching
on my side or what.
Request
again, I see.
And now I see...
Well, welcome to the stage, Aro, Rubis,
Spoon. Welcome,
welcome. How the heck are you guys?
Hey.
Hello, hello.
I just wanted to, first of all, thank many of the people
here in the audience who already submitted an artwork
or more to the art contest we are doing at TTC.
Thank you, Juniperiper also for mentioning it. Yeah, I just wanted to do a last
call for artists because we have extended our deadline for the 22nd. So there's still two more
full days to create something related with the theme three and submit it to the contest. It will be the community deciding who wins. There
will be 10 finalists by community voting and then some members of the community who are Tezos
warriors, they will decide on the final lineup. So we have prizes for the six best artworks. And we are just loving the
engagement of the community and loving the poster the human did. So yeah, and also Para
and TTC will meet a participation NFT for those who participate. So even if you don't win,
you might still win a para NFT. Same with the treasure hunt because it's our third anniversary,
so we are doing three different events aside all the regular activities we usually do on the weeks every week. So the treasure hunt is still running. There are a few more words to
come out. There will be 20 on total, but you'll only need 15 to find the hidden wallet address.
And then the first person who sends the key to that wallet wins the treasure. If you go to our profile on object, you have an open edition for the key.
So even if you're only knowing about the treasure hunt now, you can still look for all the clues.
There are a few more coming up.
You just need to grab the key and wait for the opportunity to rebuild wallets and collect loads.
I'm very curious to see who will be this time.
I see some of the members here in the audience already are participating.
And because some of the clues are hard to find, at least that's some of the feedback we've been having. And because there's a special prize for the first person
who managed to insert in the correct order all the 20 words,
on our space next Thursday, we will give out one of the words.
So we'll start a poll with most difficult words and the one that wins,
we will reveal the words on there. So there's no excuses not to go for the perfect score, guys.
And the third event ties this all up because we are doing again a rush on Zilli. For those who don't know who Zilli is,
it's a platform where we can create quests. It's the one that TZAPEX used for the last event.
So you can complete the quests, you can claim XP, and when the rush ends at the end of the month top 10 will win nfts from tezos artists and projects and winner
also wins um 30 tezos i'm sorry because there are a lot of different prize monies so 30 tezos for
the winner plus nfts for top 10 at zili 50 tezos and everything in the treasure, and the treasure will keep growing for the treasure hunt
winner, and 450 tesos on the art contest.
So first one will win 200, second will win 100,
third one will win 50 tesos, then fourth, fifth, and sixth,
25 tesos, then 4, 5, and 6, 25 tesos.
And we'll also do a raffle with all the wallets
that vote on the public voting.
And one of them will also win 25 tesos.
So I hope you liked the events we've prepared for us.
And hope to see you guys having fun and participating.
Thank you for the antenna time.
Thank you for sharing.
I was just trying out earlier the voting mechanism
with Opeculia.
So yeah, I already saw some of the arts that were submitted.
Pretty cool.
Yeah.
Yeah, we are developing.
Yeah.
Yeah, we are developing.
OPEC is developing.
And also, Skulls, they are behind everything that goes on the site.
And also, Joe.
Oh, Joe Simon or Jorian,
the thing that people have so many names,
it's hard sometimes.
So yeah, we are doing everything
on thetesers.com, our webpage.
So all the information is there.
There will be the place where you will vote
for the artworks.
There's also all the information you need
to find the clues there.
And it will also be there that you'll need to put the words to find the address of the hidden
wallets. So if you don't know the website, it's also where we have the Tezos events calendar.
It's a project that we need for the community so everyone can submit their own events they can
submit events from other people that are not there yet and you can import it to your calendar and we
also have a news aggregator so if you have suggestions of other things that we can display
on the news aggregator that aren't there yet please tell us and yeah no excuses not
to know what to do and where to find stuff and information there's a place there
and this is not sharing this is poor shilling so sorry oh that's sharing and we love it it's
not shilling i didn't hear like you know i didn't hear your wallet address in Dono, please. There's no shilling here.
You're good.
I just want to welcome Red and Retro to the stage real quick.
And then Spoon, we'll go to you as soon as...
I have some sad news to report.
Some very sad news.
How are you?
Very sad news to report.
Norm from Cheers. George Wendt. The actor George Wendt. Best known report Norm from Cheers
George Wendt, the actor George Wendt
best known as Norm from Cheers
has died
at the age of 76
Norm from Cheers
beloved
national treasure
best known as Norm from Cheers
dead
hey brother, fix the vibe. That was whack.
I don't know if I can change that.
How dare you laugh at a man's death?
No, I'm laughing at the total tone shift.
Do you know what's going to happen to you now?
I'm not laughing at a man's death,
although if you want to put those words in my mouth,
you can do that.
George Wendt will haunt you.
Spoon, please, man.
And you'll have deserved it too.
I don't think so.
That's where George went.
God.
Come on.
Come on.
Come on.
Let's go to Spoon.
Spoon,
you've been waiting patiently.
You know,
I appreciate you guys handing me the mic and that's a sad news.
I got to say,
so rest in peace to Norm.
I enjoyed that cheer show. So, I got to say. So rest in peace there, Norm. Enjoyed that cheer show.
So it was definitely a classic and enjoyable.
And what I wanted to say is that what an awesome community, the Tezos.
I've been spending time as much as I can in this community,
introduced by John of Tezos and Red Alark.
And I have appreciated with many different projects and its
history. And I look forward to
cooking in the kitchen as a baker
soon.
I want to just say hello to
the community members.
Have you decided if
it's going to be a public bakery or a
private one? Will you accept external
steakers and stuff? It will be
public. Awesome. So have you decided a name? private one like will you accept external stakers and stuff it will be it will be public awesome so
have you decided a name um it's uh under my company so it's uh grid tech so um i'll be uh
hosting a other uh network as well as a validator so it'll be multiple validators
and uh just a quick snapshot what my is. I'm a hosting services provider.
So I provide dedicated servers, domain names, web hosting,
and various other applications that we'll create in the future.
Well, thank you for joining us.
And we are super happy to have you here with us, my man.
I appreciate everything you're doing, and I can't wait to see what else you decide to spin up in the future.
This place has the knack of sucking you in way before you figure out where you belong.
And once you figure out where you belong, you're so deep that there's no way out.
Sorry, don't drink the Kool-Aid.
You'll get stuck.
I appreciate the warm welcome.
And that's one of the many reasons why I said, you know what?
I don't mind doing the bakery.
I'm going to have extra servers.
And the community is great.
John of Tezzo did a great job of pulling me in and talking about Tezos.
And I'm familiar with Tezos a while back ago.
I just haven't really been involved in the community or know the community.
So I just wanted to come up and say hi to everyone.
Doesn't he sound a little like a primate?
Just me here.
Well, I think, are you from the south there? Are you from Florida? By the way, it's a guy named Primate? Trust me here. Well, I think, are you from the south there?
Are you from Florida?
By the way, it's a guy named Primate.
You're not saying you sound like a Primate.
We all are Primates, technically.
Hey, you know what?
It's okay.
I can take that.
I don't mind being a Primate.
Well, this one is a good one to be compared to for sure.
Especially for bacon.
I'm in the greater Chicago
area. I do look forward to
potentially relocating
to Florida or Texas. One of the two.
Maybe
primates from Chicago.
Well, Spoon, man. Thank you.
George Wack was from Chicago.
Just saying.
Oh, damn.
Oh, damn.
There, we went there again.
Anyway, Red.
Red, welcome.
Thank you for joining us.
We finally-
No, it's okay.
Like, I don't have a whole lot to say today.
I feel like all I want to say is I'm here to chill. I'm here to pump my bags.
I, I, uh, entered the contest, uh, with Auro and sorry, I can't see it's tons or he's not in here
anymore cause he's busy, but yeah, um, vote for me so I can pump my bags. It's in the comments if you want to take a look at the piece. It's called Love is Frequency. But as we all know, love is a substitute for Tezos. And I want more of it. So yeah, one more time, I'm going to say it. Pump my bags. Vote for me. Thank you.
Man, direct and to the point.
And that's why we love you.
We appreciate you having, always having you here.
You're awesome.
Thanks, Red.
I love you, too.
Like, I was telling them, like, I was like, oh, my God, we have to end the room.
Because it was going a little bit past the time.
And I knew you had started your room.
And I'm like, Blank's just going to kill me.
We got to get in there.
So anyhow, that's it.
That's all I got.
Red, we love you. Thank you so much for dropping by. As always, you are always
welcome here and we love having you.
Manny, Mr. Retro Manny,
you've joined us.
I wish to hear that which you have to speak about.
I wish to hear that which
you have to speak about. Please share.
Please share.
Oh, yes.
That was surreal.
I've never heard my name said like that before.
Yeah, how's everyone going?
I'm being in a good space.
Enjoyed listening to what's been happening.
Retro, I've been called Crypto Neo, remember?
Yeah, that sounds good though i'm not sure what blang's are doing with my name retro money
you gotta roll the r extra spicy well brother welcome my man retro how the heck are you what you've
been working on you got anything special uh yeah i've always got i'm always working on something
um but i wanted to come and just do a little reminder for people there's quite a few people
in the space i just want to remind everyone that it is possible to mint fully on chain using zero contract.
So if anyone doesn't know what that is,
you can either go to Yes, Dem, Zero's X profile page
and look at his pin tweet.
And there's loads of information there.
Or you can hit me up and I can get you in the DM group.
There's a bunch of us, over 100 of us now, start with just like three people.
Um, so yeah, um, it's possible to mint fully on chain your own artwork.
There is, there was originally a limit of 22 kilobytes that you would mint the artwork directly on chain in, into a block.
you would mint the artwork directly on chain in into a block but now um yes them has been doing
some pretty interesting things to potentially increase that so there's loads of really great
things happening for zero contracts so just want to remind everyone that if you didn't and if you
didn't know as well that you can mint fully on chain no ipfs and then uh i i know uh fendel he's come up here they he he got with para and they did some
on chain minting i believe was it through zero contract they did this i'm not sure that's not me
no it wasn't you i was that was yoshi man i think it was yoshi
Oh, it's Yoshi?
Man, when I hear no music, do you know Yoshi or Yoshi?
Sorry.
I get those two very, very much mixed up when it comes to dope-ass music on Tezos.
I just think it's one of the two.
Oh, thanks, fam.
No, I'm actually up here to pump Red.
I want you all to go and just pump Red's bags today.
Go down there. Pump Red's bags. you all to go and just pump Red's bags today.
Go down there.
Pump Red's bags.
Right there.
Boom.
That's what I got for you. That's why we're community.
That's where we're family, right?
That's right.
Come on.
Let's shill for Red.
Let's shill for Juniper.
Let's do this.
Let's shill for everybody here.
Because let's be honest.
That's what we're all about.
I'm shilling for Kevin right now.
He was talking about minting an NFT.
Let's go.
Do it.
You can shill Tezfin if you want him to shill for me.
It's Tezos.finance.
Our V3 contracts are coming out soon.
That'll enable composability that we have now, but it's not very optimized.
But we'll have that. And it's under audit review and remediation.
So stay tuned.
That's all.
He did not.
Speaking of websites as well, I forgot to drop the website.
It's zeroart.app.
Just finding a way to bring it back to what I was talking about.
Can you comment that also so that there will forever be a touch on the space?
Blanks, something's going on with your mic, bro.
I think like some cable or something.
I guess you can check.
That's like a weird noise.
I hope that he did not just get completely fried or something.
No, no, no.
I don't think so.
I hope he did not get shocked.
Thanks, are you?
It's the ghost of George Wendt.
George Wendt is haunting him,
and it's starting with his, you know,
I told you.
Why do you got to curse me like that?
You cursed yourself when you
disrespected national treasure.
I laughed at you.
I didn't laugh at him. I laughed at you.
That was awkward.
You know, you could make it back up,
Blanks, by asking everyone
to shout Norm at the same time.
Just one last time.
Blanks is Gen Z.
He doesn't know who Norm, or Cheers, he doesn't know any of the stuff.
Oh, I know exactly who Norm is.
And Cliff.
You know what?
You don't think I know about Sam's rug?
Shelley Long?
You're killing me, buddy.
And yet you still laugh.
I laugh because I laugh when shit gets awkward
you wanna go where everybody
knows your name
hey we got
Farah on the stage
I am 100%
one of those
I'm an inappropriate lapper i guess is what
seinfeld would probably call me that's just what i am i uh i when when it gets uncomfortable when
when i get nervous i don't shut down or cry or get angry i start laughing uncontrollably i think it's
actually really funny and i can't stop and uh yeah so like i'm one of those what's that
you'd be terrible at a funeral wouldn't you i am i'm really bad i'm really bad at funerals i'm not
gonna lie like i have to keep my mouth shut so anyway i do apologize para i see you thank you
welcome congratulations for making it through this madness of the space that i've created i apologize how are you okay okay hello everyone
well i uh actually about the zero contract piece it was with yossi and skulls army
and i wanted to ask retro can we upload zip files
can we upload zip files
i have found out that you can but i haven't tried it um the person to are you in the dm group
no okay i'll get you in the dm group the person to ask would be jams to blues or austin or q cq
because um yeah they all know what's been going on behind scenes.
There's also a potential, if anyone doesn't know,
there's a potential to upload GLB files as well.
And that is super exciting for me.
And I know you guys did the first MP4 with sound.
So, yeah, you can mint seemingly anything anything and i believe games is going to be a
thing you can mint games right um and if you can expand the space yeah that's that's just pretty
cool i mean i'm not sure what's what's really the limits of it but i know yes stem and jams to blues
are all pushing pushing the limits those 20 kilobytes was a nightmare.
We've been trying three days to downsize the piece
without losing all of the resolution to make it visible,
still small enough.
I think, well, I agree, yeah, it's difficult,
especially for films, but I think there's something really cool, especially if you look at Kyle Fleming's collection, there's something really cool about them being very small, like little film, what they're called.
You know, film reel, the cells, I can't remember the name of what they're called, but yeah, there's something cool about them being tiny as well.
they're called but um yeah there's something cool about them being tiny as well yeah so yeah i would
i would just experiment but i think there is going to be like i said yes dem is working on
expanding the uh size and the size limit of it um so it's lots of exciting things to come so i would
really this this started last year and it's grown extremely quickly.
Lots of people minting on there.
I think Yudo recently minted on there as well.
And some other, a few other quite notable names have been minting on there recently as well.
So it's getting attention and I think it's very exciting.
Now, Retro, just a heads up.
This is not a cheap process, is it?
Cheat?
Do you mean like it's not really?
Cheap with a P.
No, no, no, no, no.
It's not a low-cost function.
This is kind of a heavy-duty investment.
It is, I mean, defined heavy-duty.
So it's compared to what you normally
spending less than 0.00 anything on anything yeah it's not it's not pennies it's um it's six tes
to mint a 22 kilobyte file um but what i would what we've all been finding is just a count that
in the cost of the piece that you're minting. You, you, when I started, you could only do one of one.
So my collection, my first collection of, which is staying the same as all one of ones.
So I count that into the price of the piece that it's unchained and it was minted for
more expensive.
Um, and it's always good to make sure you let the collectors know.
I was in a space with Kika and AbsaDeity and a few other people last week.
And they were saying how they would love to know if it's on chain.
So like make it very clear that it's on chain because people will do want to
own on chain art on Tezos.
It's just about making sure they know that it's on chain and not,
they're not unaware of it.
Even if it means putting it in the description on uh when you when you mint
as well and and bear in mind when again when i started doing it we had to use um what's the
it's not baking ben what am i thinking of um better call dev i was gonna say baking benjamin
i i had to use better call dev to mint but now jams to blues has created a whole app for it,
to mint directly on chain and you can do it all through a user interface.
so that's zero zero art dot app.
And then C cube,
I think that's how you pronounce his name also created zero terminal,
which is kind of the same,
but you can also collect collect it's like a marketplace
as well so uh that's another great thing so the zero app and zero terminal and then also object
aggregates all of the unchained work so you can see them all on object and collect them all and
list them all on object as well so yeah we should pin some tweets regarding that's
so cool retro i like how nonchalant you are about all of it but i think that just has to do with the
fact you've been doing it and been in deep in it for this last year because i mean for anyone else
just now hearing about this and you're just like oh yeah yeah just you know it's it's not that
hard it's pretty and how long have you made it like been working on it to make it that simple
to be able to say that i mean so thank you thank you for all this retro thank you for all your work
you're doing i mean i mean i'm just i'm just promoting it right so i did i think the main
thing i did was a tutorial but the credit's got to go to YesStem for the contract and Jams2Blues for making the app.
Um, I'm just like a user and a believer and, um, and I'm just promoting it.
But I did do, I did a tutorial a while ago that last year, and that was how to
use the, use it through Better Call Dev to mint.
And so that there's this process you can still, if you want to do it that way.
Um, I know I was talking to Tornado Rodriguez and we both kind of enjoy minting that way
because there's something, you appreciate the mint process much more when you do it that way
rather than use an app.
But the app is obviously the much easier, more straightforward way to do it.
It creates exactly the same results.
But yeah, there is a back-end way to do it it creates exactly the same results um but yeah
there is a there is a back-end way of doing it and i do have a tutorial if you want to learn
that side as well but the credits got to go to yes stem and jams to blues for sure and i have
to say they probably wouldn't be where they're at if you hadn't thrown out this massive tutorial
because i mean what it took almost 30 minutes I think the original original iteration I thought or something along those lines I remember you had you had
definitely worked hard to try to make it as simple and streamlined and it still
ended up being moderately complicated but it's impressive nonetheless sir so
well done it was a 40 minute video and it took a while yeah but I remember one
of the comments was 40 minute video let me know when it's a one minute video and it took a while yeah but um i remember one of the comments was a 40 minute video
let me know when it's a one minute video and um yeah so now it is it's um straightforward on the
app so it's very easy to do yeah see so that's that's something that that you you bring a focus
and a lens to whether or not you want to take that credit i'm not allowing you to slip out from under
that sorry spotlight pointed right at you, buddy.
And appreciate you, man.
Big time.
You and everybody else out here, honestly, do not ever accept the credit that is given you and you well deserve.
You guys are silly.
You guys, and I don't mean that in a silly way.
I don't mean that like you don't deserve it.
I mean, you guys deserve everything you've been given and more.
And we appreciate you all.
It's a tough one to articulate.
That reminds me.
I mean, I think this is one of the things where, you know, I watched a video of Steve Jobs from when he came back to Apple and everything.
And then some people have already saw it.
Very confrontational developer
who had been at Apple for all those years
while Steve Jobs was doing Next.
He was very upset because he was working
on this retired technology
that Steve Jobs had just retired called OpenDoc.
And he replaced it with Java.
And his argument was,
this is so much better than Java.
How can you say it? How could
you have done this? And Steve Jobs gave an example of like, or he was explaining, it's like, you
can't start with the technology and work your way backwards to the user. You have to start with the
user and then build the technology. Otherwise,'re gonna kind of miss the plot.
And I think one of the things that I've definitely learned
being around artists who mint on chain over all these years,
and I definitely saw it with the Ethereum,
the Polygon crowd, artists like minting on the L1,
if they can, if they can afford it.
They understand concepts of the origin layer
and how there's prestige and authenticity to that.
It is the base.
And if you're going to put something,
which in so many ways is worth more than money,
your creativity on something,
and you want longevity,
you want to know it's in a place of exposure,
you're going to want to be on that layer.
And actually, in some ways, people did it not just despite or stay minting on the L1
of Ethereum, despite the gas fees and the cost of doing it, but because of it, you know,
like it's kind of a high end prestige thing.
Now, we don't have those gas fee problems on Tezos L1, but I think we'll continue to expect
it's going to be art on the L1, and there's no need for it to go to the L2. So that's one of
those things. And I think we should be cognizant of it and respectful of it as well. And in that
built, I think, the integrations that surround it it as opposed to, I think, like what would just be an assumed replacement.
Because not everything, you know, it's straight.
I think I can understand also why from a technology or core development standpoint, like that's like, why would you do that?
This thing is totally better.
It's like, right, but you're missing other stuff
that's important to these people, not to you.
So I think that's part of the shared learning experience
we're all going through.
That's all.
I just wanted to add that.
Now, interesting concept here to think about, too.
I have an iPhone.
Lightning and USB-C and all that fun stuff.
And I'm going to go to Ryan after this because I just felt like expounding.
Sorry.
When you plug that thing in, did you know that there's like a protocol exchange that happens before it even begins?
Starting any type of... There's a thing that happens that it almost like handshakes
there's a handshake that happens arguably tesla sex seems like it wants to have the l1 just
perform the handshake and have the rest of it happen on top of it uh it may not like yes the
provenance is beautiful yes it's nice minting on an1, but I think the whole chain in and of itself
becomes an L1, a giant L1,
through using these roll-ups.
But that handshake, that initial point of contact,
I think that is what they're looking
to utilize the main chain for,
is that initial handshake to initiate everything else.
So it's tough to, I don't know, maybe else so it's tough to i don't know
maybe i'm off base but uh it i don't know so yeah maybe it's more of a fist bump how's that not a
handshake but a fist bump there's just a little like people will pay more um to have it on the
origin because it's like i mean i think people are they're not stupid or itis. I get you, but they're not putting full firmware updates on the fist bump.
I mean, I think there will be bridging to the L2 when it's needed,
but asset provenance, I think, will continue to be on the L1.
I think that fist bump may have been how we originally connected,
and we just decided that that was good enough for that,
and then we developed something on the top of it.
So it's tough to say.
I know that we have a very specific view of how it is right now.
And if we use that specific view of how it will be in the future, we're going to be way off base.
Right.
Way off base.
But we've already seen it in the Ethereum world.
And despite like massive...
We haven't seen this.
And massive blockbounds.
Hey, can we go to Ryan, though, real quick, Kevin?
I mean, we've been taken up to talking the whole time,
and I know Ryan's been sitting here for a minute.
Oh, hey, can you hear me?
No, can't hear you, Ryan.
Yeah, we can hear you.
You're great.
All right, same.
You're the same as always.
Hey, everyone.
Lots of familiar names here.
I just wanted to jump in, because it looks like you're having a pretty lively discussion.
Well, regarding the L1 thing, L1, L2 thing, I do think Tesla's is in the right direction because yeah, like Kevin said, like, you know, we saw how things turned out in Ethereum and, you know, we don't want to get the same results as them.
Right.
So that the whole idea of like keeping everything in the, you know, like connected to the main thing, I think will pay off in the long run and as far as i know
you know tesla's is the only chain that is really like approaching it this way you know it is more
than just tech but it's also like culturally right we want everything to be unified oh um and uh you guys are also talking about the on-chain minting thing like uh yeah
it's been around a while and i know retro really like he did a lot like like you said uh you know
he doesn't get enough credit for it i think because. Because he really, I saw him really taking the whole project
integrating it
into his works.
And the whole idea
gas fees,
I think the price,
the idea of it being expensive is kind of interesting
because like i think i'm mostly in agreement with uh kevin that you know if people feel like it's
worth it they will put in the money you know and and it's something that that we kind of struggled with, like even in the copyright feature thing I've been talking about a while is because part of it is like you know the
complications of having to work with the taia and then the dow but it's also because of size you know
like uh we are initially wanting to put like the whole contract agreement texts you know it's only like a page or two but um space on chain is very expensive and i think like a lot
of artists are sort of like finding it out like right now but but i do think like you know people
who have money they will they will spend the money and if they uh decide to, you know, if they're willing to spend that much money to make a work to just to have it on chain, you know, doesn't that money go back into the ecosystem?
It's kind of how it works, right?
The gas fees go to the bakers, right?
Isn't that how it works?
I don't know.
That's a question.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It goes to bakers.
The storage fees are burned, which again is in favor of the whole ecosystem.
Yeah.
So I don't know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I'm just like, yeah, why not?
Right.
Why not have the option and and even even
like create like artistically like i think it's like a good thing that it in some ways it forces
the artist to think about limitations right so if you can get what you want with a minimal amount of space, that's creative too, I think.
I do have a few things I wanted to announce.
As you know, we've been talking about...
No, Brian, you ran out of time. No, I'm kidding. Go ahead. Sorry.
Yeah, so TezCon's coming.
Yeah, and I'm kind of feeling the pressure now
because, like, actually, I'm on my way to an event in Seattle
at the Seattle Drum School.
Just to, you know, just to make sure that they announce our,
you know, we paid this composers group to market our event.
So I'm just kind of going over and make sure they do that.
But, so the, like I was mentioning earlier, the, the copyright registration feature is
finally going to come this week.
I know I've been saying that for the last month, but I wanted to kind of like, I've
been working on the, the process is a little tricky.
So I have to start working on like explaining it to people a little better.
so i have to start working on like explaining it to people a little better so the way um
it's gonna work is that so so you have three things you basically have to do
um you have to mint the work you know as usual uh yeah instead of uh the previous version we had, the version we have right now on TAYA is the copyright agreement is attached to the NFT.
This version is different.
It's going to be a separate thing, but it is connected to your work.
So it's more like a registration process rather than a thing that's attached in NFTs.
So you can kind of like do it anytime, you know.
It got some feedback that people wanted more flexibility.
So that would be there.
And then finally, you do a swap, right?
And finally, you do a swap, right?
And then in theory, you know,
once the registration is connected to the original work,
that gives your sale,
like, you know, you could most likely ask for a higher price
just because, you know know attached to the nft is also like the
licensing and the uh you know like the utility that we're trying to build here so so yeah that
that's so so there's three steps and for most artists uh on minting on tesla's right now it
won't change too much and of course it's
completely optional right like you don't have to do this if you don't want it but we're kind of
adding a middle step there but they're all going to be uh operating independently but at the same
time the um smart contracts will kind of hold them together, you know?
And so, um, yeah, so that that's coming. And, and the thing that we worked on last, and this is why it kind of took a while,
is that this process will be owned by Taya, like completely.
owned by TAYA completely.
And even the registration fee,
we designed it in a way where the core team,
the TAYA's core team, there's about a dozen or so of us,
they'll have control over the contract.
So not us, but the community will own the process, if that makes sense.
So you mean like the core members or will it be the DAO in Conroe?
So the DAO, so there's two different things. So if you don't know already, there's two different sides to TAYA, I guess,
you know, if you want to call it that way, but there's the DAO, right?
The DAO, which is the token holders, the TAYA token holders.
And they are in ultimately have the, you know, control over the entity itself.
You know, where TAE is a registered nonprofit in the Marshall Islands,
and the DAO token holders count as operating members.
So there's a process for that, you know, for making like big administrative decisions.
It doesn't really come up very often, but it is there.
And then, but there's the core team members, those of us who kind of like hang out in the
Tandis Court every day and we keep the day-to-day operation things running. So that team will have control over the price of registration.
Right now, it's going to start at 0.1 Tez.
So, you know, very affordable.
But, you know, things might change.
They'll also have the ability to change the text in the agreement itself.
That might come up, know who knows right because the
legal system is changing all the time and yeah you know just a couple other things and in case
there's a bad actor uh there will also be um the ability to remove certain agreements
from the system.
But again, that requires a vote, right?
I think right now you need the approval of like 10 votes
at the very least.
So that's kind of like how we do things in TEA,
you know, like you guys were saying earlier, it takes, at the very least. That's kind of like how we do things in Teya.
Like you guys were saying earlier,
it takes longer, but we want
to do things the right way.
Yeah, I mean, you've been doing it that way
forever.
Yeah, pretty much.
So yeah, so that'll be coming and all that will be showcased at TezCon and I got to figure out how to explain all this stuff to people in a way that won't scare them off.
So, yeah, if you have any, you know, I could use some help in that area.
Okay. So one last thing um
we are starting probably next week or so uh we are starting to accept uh submissions for tezcon
art so there will be a projector screen that will be showcasing Tesla's artists, you know,
in case you can't be there or you just want to show your art, you know, to in this kind
of event. So there will be an open call and we're going to be releasing the form. I'm
thinking maybe Friday or this weekend.
How many artworks you're going to select?
We're not putting a cap on it, but it will be one work per artist.
Nice.
So you could have like 100 art pieces being...
Yeah, we're just going to make a simple...
Like last year, I think we kind of overcomplicated things. So this year, we're going going to make a simple, like last year, I think we kind of overcomplicated things.
So this, this year we're going to make it very simple.
We're just going to be a simple gallery of a rotating, you know, uh, artworks that will be there, you know, for a good while, like at least six hours, you know, for the duration of the event.
And yeah.
So if you or anyone wants to, you know, submit something, feel free to.
And we'll let people know about the details very soon.
Nice.
Well, all I know is that you are all going to be there at Tesco
and I'm going gonna be over here
jealous
yeah blank blank blanks is coming blanks is coming man yosh is coming as well chris i think is
gonna be probably there as well gonna be oh it's gonna be so much fun. Yeah. And, uh, yeah. And then in case you didn't know, it's going to be a whole week of events.
Like before TezCon, uh, Fendo is putting on a few like Seattle tour type of events, you know, just to hang out and check out the city.
And then after the day after there will be a music showcase in one of the uh local uh you know venues
yeah just all music
oh and it'll be so oh the food will be so good man
i mean we can talk about uranium oh yeah Oh, did you guys come up with some ideas?
I forgot to talk about that last meeting.
Well, I will be attending test devs, so that's something.
Yeah.
Oh, the theme this year is the truth is out there.
So if that helps with any... You know.
Mulder and Scully.
The more aliens...
Aliens.
Bigfoot.
All kinds of stuff.
Wait, wait.
Pendle just requested to come back up.
Oh, yeah.
He should.
They want to jump in.
He should talk.
Can you hear me okay?
Yeah, I said no.
I've gotten rugged
shrugged.
Yeah.
You were just about to say
the theme for the event is.
He already said it's going to be the truth is out there.
The truth is out there. Yes. The truth is out there.
So whatever that means to you, you know, we were thinking kind of like the.
North Bend,
like the Twin Peaks type of vibe, you know?
But it could be anything.
And did we, Ryan, we did decide that,
I think we decided that it was going to be pieces
that have either been previously minted or new pieces is that right yeah i mean you know
if uh we're not going to be too strict about like you know like requirements so so so if you have
something even pc you really like and you want to showcase uh you know feel free all we're gonna
really gonna ask is like either Atea or ObjectLink,
you know, just for.
And yeah, we'll probably just put it in, you know,
unless it's like extremely offensive, you know.
I can't think of a reason why we turned it down.
Yeah, definitely.
We want to definitely be trying to include as many Tezos artists as we can.
All right. Welcome, Luisco.
I just want to speak because last year, TTC was invited to have a screen and we send out
was invited to have a screen and we send out
the awesome banners we had from the banner competition for the Tezos events and
I just wanted to say that's a great idea that you are opening a form because I'll submit the ones that are
the winners of the art contest too, so I hope they
Yeah too so i hope they yeah like i said we made it too complicated last year and unfortunately not
everything kind of worked you know so this year we're just gonna make it you know simple form
give us one link and there you know and uh yeah and the artists are free to do whatever they want with it.
On our end, we're just going to showcase it if you're interested.
Oh, that gives me an idea actually.
Like you guys were talking about earlier. I feel like the on chain minting idea might go over well with the crowd here, you know,
like the idea that it's there forever, like almost guaranteed, right?
The longevity.
And so I don't know, is there, is there like something, it doesn't have to be anything fancy but is there like a
maybe like an infographic or something we can just you know show to people because we're because
right now we're kind of looking for like we want this uh event to be a place where we can basically
show off all the cool things happening, you know, on chain.
And I do think like that on chain minting,
contract really fits into this.
You could probably like,
showcase,
you know,
like,
I should talk to just steam,
huh?
Yeah.
Yeah.
But even,
even if you like showcase,
like a screenshot of collections of the on-chain minted artworks,
because like if you go to the zeroart.tap and you go to Tezos, you know, zero view,
you can see all the collections that are gathered.
Like if you could take a screenshot of many of them, because they're great artworks that are on chain,
you know, and, uh, have something like a note.
These are all on chain.
Yeah.
The challenge, the challenge is, um, explaining it, like explaining like, what is this?
Right.
Yeah.
Cause, cause like, you know, most of the time I've been like hanging out with more normies lately, you know, unfortunately.
But they've been, you know, the look I get most often is confusion.
You know, it's not.
Get retro over there and have a note saying, you want to find out more?
Yeah.
Can you make it english last time i talked crypto
with anybody normal they said we speak english out here in the real world i don't know what the
hell you're yeah i i've gotten that before keep okay well uh look around no no but but it did
give me no this this uh spaces did give me pretty good ideas.
So, yeah, we should just, like, show everything, you know?
Absolutely.
Yeah.
And, guys, before we wrap up... Within reason, be modest.
Take that with a grain of salt.
That's a Japanese man saying show everything.
He means that in a modest way.
I was going to say, before we wrap up,
before we wrap up, because we are at because we are at the two hour mark,
I also want to touch on the object for object event
that was going on the whole last week.
And man, how much artwork was out there.
Like, how did you guys go about it?
Did you manage to collect a bunch of artworks?
I won, like, I think it was 75-10. Did you manage to collect a bunch of artworks?
I think it was 75 Tezos on the Easter egg that the Tezos did, because otherwise I would be broke and not have any way of getting to objects.
I believe it's the first event where I actually have some things to spend.
So I just went on the shopping spree
and it was an awesome experience.
On the other hand, it was a terrible experience
because I wanted to buy so much more.
And it was just great to see so many artworks
popping up every day and still some live,
I believe people will burn some of the additions and sold.
So I still hope I can still get a few more, to be honest.
So don't burn them yet, please.
Don't burn them.
Don't burn them.
Give us the last second chance right i'm with you
all right well uh we're close does anybody else have anything else they would like to add i mean
ryan you were about to say something jump in there buddy oh was i oh no i was just gonna say uh i'm
too broke to buy art right now unfortunately all the money is going to
you know my current projects and uh you know people gotta get paid so uh unfortunately
but i i really love like people still doing it though you know it's kind of of brought back to the, you know, the old, the early days.
People still care about it.
You know, it's nice to see.
I did see at one point some data, I think NFT by it or somebody posted,
but I would like to see like now that the event is over,
like how many art was created, how many were sold by how many different artists,
because at the meet of the event or something,
I think there was already like 790 different artists
or something, I don't remember.
But yeah, in case you see any data,
just share it with me as well.
interested to see them
I'm interested to see them.
all right folks well we are just past the two hour mark um usually don't like to push too far
appreciate you guys bearing with us this whole time i'll probably go around for one last little
if anybody has anything they'd like to add before we close it up here in the next few minutes
love to touch on anything else you've got going on a last minute comment
if you just want to say something like pump red's bags even though she's not here you know
well maybe i do appreciate y'all i was gonna say or maybe or maybe pronounce retros name in a funny way or something
yeah
yeah
he doesn't like it at all yeah you do you do that very well
oh wise really hates it why is this gonna break the button oh can you say
why is his name i there's no r in wise's name what do you roll with wise's name i don't know
i thought you had like a thing no oh a thing no that's like a stutter like a tick no i don't know
whatever it does to piss her off.
I think Wise keep trying to press the smiley button,
but it keeps accidentally coming out as the thumbs down.
I think she doesn't like it.
She's trying to press the smiley button.
That's a common mistake.
Yeah, happens to everyone.
There you go, guys.
All right.
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