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Tuesday | TezDay w Ryan Tanaka - TEIA updates!
Recorded: Feb. 24, 2026 Duration: 1:41:24Space Recording
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Hello, hello.
All right, everyone.
Welcome.
This is Tuesday, Tuesday.
Hope you're all doing well as usual.
We'll give it a couple minutes for the room to fill and then we'll get into it.
Today, we are joined by Ryan Tanaka, founder of Teya Cafe and a Teya
Core team representative. Ryan's work sits right in the middle of what a lot of people
care about, but don't always know how to talk about clearly. Creator tools chain media and what it looks like to run a community-owned
platform without turning it into chaos or stagnation we're going to cover recent developments
across teia and teia cafe how the audio side works in practice and what the biggest constraints are
and what the community is focused on next.
Oh, and also, hopefully we can start a little conversation about TezCom too.
Ryan, thanks for taking the time to join today.
Before we get into the interview, let's check a couple headlines from around the community.
Own your content with infinite ink over on spotlight there's a feature called own your
content with infinite ink it looks at infinite ink as a tezos based tool designed to give artists
more control over how their work is deployed and structured on chain the piece focuses on contract ownership release flexibility
and how artists can maintain independence while still remaining interoperable with the marketplaces
collectors already use it also situates infinite ink within the broader Tezos art landscape alongside fully on-chain and shared contract approaches.
If you're thinking about long-term ownership and how your drops are structured,
this one's worth reading over at spotlight.tezos.com.
Unifying to Empower, Exploring Tezos Art's Storefront
Stu Elms published a conversation piece on Tezzos Commons News
called Unifying to Empower, Exploring Tezzer Arts Storefront.
In it, Stu speaks with developer Iban Escalada about the storefront,
which is positioned as a unified custom domain gallery experience
for Tezzzos artists.
The idea is that artists can aggregate their minted work from platforms like
Object, FXHash, EditArt, and Zero Unbound into a single site they control,
while preserving marketplace functionality underneath.
The article walks through what that setup looks like
and includes perspectives from artists already using it.
That's live now over at news.tezoscommons.org.
The Tezos Community Rewards for January 2026.
Tezos Commons released the reward winners.
The article announces this month's recipients across the CRP categories and
revisits the purpose of the program,
which is to recognize and reward contributors who stood out during the month.
It also notes that February nominations are open and reminds readers how
participation works. The full breakdown and winner list are available over at news.tezoscommons.org.
If you're trying to keep up with what's happening across Tezos,
the baking sheet is the easiest way to do it.
It's a short weekly email with the project updates and community moves that
actually matter. Nothing extra.
You can sign up at bakingsheet.tezoscommons.org.
Quick heads up as well.
Nominations for this month's Tezos Community Rewards Program are open.
There are two ways to nominate.
You can fill out the short form over at tezoscommons.org slash rewards,
Fill out the short form over at tezoscommons.org slash rewards,
or you can post on social media using hashtag Tezos CRP.
If you're tagging someone else's post, that's great.
If you're making your own post, like a short list of names,
please add a line about what each person that contacts helps us review nominations properly.
what each person that context helps us review nominations properly so again use the form or tag
hashtag tezos crp with your reason all right let's leave it there for now kryptonio ryan how the heck
are you what's going on hello hey can you hear me? Yes, sir. I can.
Yes, we can hear you.
Okay.
All right.
All right.
Sorry, it was a long intro.
I zoned down a little.
That's all right.
No, I'm excited to be here.
I am like, this is probably the most prepared I've been for like a spaces because uh there's a lot going on and um
it's a great opportunity to let people know yeah happy to be here thanks for the invite
yeah brother well I want to start by setting a clean baseline for people who might only know
as an art marketplace and might not know what Taya Cafe is yet so go ahead and get started there
uh okay so um i am a core dao member so there's teia is a mouse was this better but so we're a decentralized non-profit um art collective that runs on a dow and i'm one of
the core members there we have about 2 500 members total but there's about a dozen of
of us who are core members that runs the day-to-day operations on Thea.
And Thea Cafe is actually a separate thing.
It's a more regular startup between me and Joe Simon that we started about two years ago that uses a lot of the resources from Taya to build a lot of the tools that we've been doing.
And most recently, it's been basically a radio.
So if you're interested in the music that has been minted on Hikinag and Taya over the years, Taya Cafe, that's basically it.
I've been thinking now and Taya over the years at Taya Cafe.
That's basically it.
So today, yeah, so we're going to talk about how the two things are merging together.
Yeah.
And so that's kind of the big update.
Okay.
Yeah, hoping to talk about.
Yeah.
Well, okay.
So for people meeting you for the first time what do you
personally handle day-to-day across teia and teia cafe uh well currently
so i'm just gonna like focus more on teia because that's really what we're doing most of the work on right now.
Sure.
So I'm part of the core team, as I just said, but we had a vote about a couple of months ago making me the representative of this community.
So we had to do it that way because we are
decentralized right and that's the only way i can be like called you know quote official right
so now i have sort of the blessings of the community to like do um you know do outreach and talk to be to
talk to other people um do partnerships uh apply for things
like grants and uh you know other like those business related
matters so that's like kind of my official title right now so um
yeah I've been doing that a lot. And a lot of these things, not
really visible to the public. But we didn't making a lot of progress in the area. And
like, so this is this is a great time to like, kind of let people know, you know, what's
what's been going on.
been going on.
Perfect.
Perfect.
let's just get into it. So what are the most like big changes?
What's going on? What are we getting into? Let's just jump
into it. I mean,
there's a lot to go through. So, so harvest seems a bit hectic,
Oh, I'm, I'm ripping my hair out. No, let's go.
Come on.
Yeah, I know.
So I did make a little list.
Oh, okay.
It's a little list though, right?
It's actually kind of a long list.
Perfect.
Is it one of those where you say,
I brought a small list and then you like flip it out
And then you flip it out, and then it just starts unfolding and unrolling across the floor.
and then it just starts unfolding and unrolling across the floor?
Does, can Crypto, do you see the post I made?
You make several, sir.
I've seen several of your posts.
Yeah, and I've been very active.
Which one do you mean?
The one that I retweeted this space is saying that we're going to talk about the roadmap.
Ooh, that one.
I saw that one.
Yeah, so that's the one I'm using as a reference.
All right.
That's the scroll.
Yeah, stuff to talk about tomorrow.
That one.
That one.
It's under.
Okay, great, great. That one. That one. It's under your head. Okay.
Okay.
Great.
Great.
So if you're interested in, yeah.
So I'm just going to be kind of going down this list and just letting people know that what we've been up to.
So just in general, right?
Just generally speaking.
So like I said, like Teia cafe is our private company right
and we've been running it for like a couple of years and we're proud of the work we've done
and um you know but we've been struggling to kind of like get users onboarded, right? Because it's very tough to get users to like use a new site that's brand new, right?
Yeah.
So we took a different approach starting this year, which is that we're going to
actually merge a lot of the work we did with Teya Cafe directly into Teya itself.
And so a lot of the smart contracts,
a lot of the tools that we made,
a lot of the, you know, even the designs and the UI,
like we want everything to sit in Taya itself
in a unified fashion.
unified fashion. So that's going to be kind of the main thing
So that's going to be kind of the main thing
we're doing this year.
we're doing this year. And the idea is that we want we want
these. The great thing about Taya is that it's decentralized. But
you know, when that comes the problem of everything is
everywhere. Like we have a lot of great tools and a lot of great initiatives,
but they're kind of floating all over the internet.
So what we want to do is like take all that work and merge it back into, um,
the main site itself.
So that's going to be, yeah.
And that includes like administrative things.
So the mostly SIG will be, it'll be much clearer what's going on.
Like people have this vague idea that the multi-sig runs everything,
but they don't know who it is or what wallets, right?
And we could have done a better job with that.
It's transparent. You can look it up we're not trying
to hide anything but we can make it a little bit easier to find right so we're going to be putting
everything into the main site itself and you're going to start to see some changes there that
uh we're hoping will get people excited again, like to come back, right?
Come back to the, we're trying to, what's the word?
Revitalize the community, I guess.
Especially, yeah, especially during these tough times, right?
The market's not doing so well and a lot of places are struggling.
So we want to give something uh yeah people have something
to get excited about so uh so yeah i'm just gonna go down the list so the first thing yeah ben the
show you got it if we got questions we'll jump in how's that sound okay yeah yeah yeah let me know
if things aren't making sense or you know because oh i promise you i will let you know
uh you would you would yes you're that kind of guy i am just that kind of guy
so okay the first thing and this is going to securing a significant injection of capital,
or we're going to get some money, like real money, very soon in our treasury
to be used for doing events by our members, for our members.
So what that basically means is that we're going to have some money set aside for TEA
members that want to put on events anywhere around the world. And we can help them. You know, so, you know, like it's not free, right?
You gotta have the space.
You gotta get organized.
You gotta do the marketing.
So this is the first time ever that we've had actually this kind of money to work with.
And, and it took a while that we've been working on this for a very long time
but it took a while to figure out because how do we do this in a way that makes sense
right with a decentralized community so um we've been like brainstorming the last uh few months about like how to do this fairly and so well we'll announce this uh
uh we can't give out all the details yet because they're still finalizing some things but
the way all the details right now i mean i can but you're not gonna remember
oh it's recorded it's forever spill the beat no you you can let us know what you can let us know.
That's okay.
No, no, no.
Tells those people are, they pay attention to this, the details.
That's the problem, man.
Just, uh,
yeah, we pay attention, man.
Tells those people are diligent.
If nothing else, we pay attention to this stuff.
So I've been very careful actually about not confusing people or
yeah that's why i've been very careful about how we're gonna talk about this but the general idea
is that we're going to leverage the the proposal system we have with the multi-sig currently. So if you are interested
as a TEA member to put on an event somewhere, we're going to ask that you create a proposal
and then find one of the multi-sig members to sort of sponsor your proposal.
So it can be me or Scott Fendo is also a member now too.
So you can talk to him as well, but they'll help you sort of, you know, this stuff is
not easy, right?
It's a lot of artists are not used to creating budgets like these, but we're here to help you organize it and put it like, okay, so we need this much money to get this, to do this event over here.
And it's going to be like this and that, and we'll run it through the DAO and then the DAO will vote on it.
And if it's approved, you'll get your funds in the wallet that you requested.
So there's more details to come,
but that's going to...
I want a clarification.
You said any TEA member.
Do you mean any TEA DAO member?
Any holder of the TE token and they they are honestly
let's clarify yeah yeah no honestly it can be anyone that has a tizzle smaller like we don't
we're not going to check on whether you have a token or not right because like if you want a
token you can get it anywhere anyway but um but uh yeah but we did like, you know, on the other extreme, right?
Like if we just like open created like this Google sheet or whatever, it's going to just be flooded with a bunch of stuff.
So we needed some way to like moderate it a bit.
moderated a bit so the way we figured it out was that okay you work together with one of the
multi-sig members and uh they'll sponsor your proposal they'll put it up to a vote for you
and if it gets approved the money will go into that wallet if that makes sense so that's the kind of the system that we're we settled on so
yeah and i think this is what we're going to use going forward um and we'll get some money through
some grants or even donations it can come from really anywhere but we wanted to do it in a systematic way that seemed fair, you know.
But also, like, it's still open.
You know, anyone can do it.
So, yeah, so the news about that will be coming out in a couple weeks, I think.
I'm hoping.
Yeah, it'll be very soon.
Well, you put the gas on the fire now.
It better happen.
I mean, it better...
I mean, if it...
Something's going to happen, regardless.
Because we have the system, right?
The money can come from anywhere, really.
But we figured out something that wasn't there before and i got
i will say though it is it feels really weird to not be broke especially right now you know
yeah like right now i mean our budget has been pretty much zero for the last four years you
know we won't lie right we've barely been getting by we
have we make enough money to uh pay the operations and people who run you know the the unsung heroes
of you know teya like ktorn and like zero and oh yeah yeah like they really like yeah but now we have like oh there's now that we have
a budget to work with to grow you know we're starting from zero but we're we can only go up
from here so yeah so this is really like we're're really, really excited about this. And I think it's going to surprise a lot of people.
I think it's going to be like, we can collaborate in a way we weren't able to do before, because we're much more organized now than we were a couple years ago and and yeah
this is the direction that that uh maybe we want to continue to go in
what uh nice oh go ahead kryptonio i was not i was just gonna comment that i think that um
this starts with the refreshment if i may say so, of the core members as well.
Like you said, recently you had every new members join the...
Oh, yeah. Maybe people didn't get the word.
New energy. Yeah, that's great.
So we had a rotation of the members a couple last month i think um but uh so so we we a couple of the members they're kind of inactive
and weren't doing much anyway so they uh basically retired uh but we have three new members one of
many of them you probably know uh salawaki she's on the Taya core team now.
Uh, Fendo is sitting right there.
He's one of our, um, newest members and then, uh, Floyd wild.
Um, I'm not sure people know him as much cause he's not really a Twitter person, but, but he's a long time, uh, Taya member and, uh, yeah, yeah.
He's been, so yeah. So we have. And yeah, yeah, he's been...
So, yeah, so we have the...
No, it's great.
Like, we have new blood and new ideas coming through.
And yeah, even for ourselves, we have a new direction, even for Teya Cafe.
Because this has always been the case but teia cafe is nothing
without teia you know quite literally because we're we're borrowing all their contracts all
their tokens all their artworks everything like our our site is really just like a wrapper around teia like if you can think of it
that way so what we're doing right now is that we're like really working on the fundamentals
right like the fundamental the source of uh what's going to make us successful in the long run so
we're taking the long-term view you know and if if teya does well so will we as a
startup that's kind of the mentality so yeah um it's it's really gonna be a lot of a lot of changes
and a lot of um things that really should have been done a long time ago, but better
late than never.
Right.
A lot of these things.
Yeah.
Now, Ryan, working within like a decentralized organization, man, what's different about
shipping features?
I mean, the platforms community run community run i mean it's not like
a normal production team you know oh no i mean we the most important thing is that we have to be
able to trust each other because um everything has to run through a process right like if if uh
if if uh if i if we make a feature we add it it has to be reviewed by the development team
zero there's a lot of that but but other there are other devs out there that review the code
i know i have tried to push some code that was just bad you know i'm not a professional dev okay like i tried to push
something in yeah like and i but zero you know he's very nice he's very nice he's really nice
about it he's just like uh yeah uh that how about you do things this way he never attacks me for
uh yeah i know i i really i won't go going to it but it may really make some huge fuck-ups and uh he fixed it so
so wait but you know that that's accountability right like sure so we are always double checking
each other's work all the time even in the way we talk about things you know uh like militia like mal just just uh got mad at me you
know this weekend for making a dumb tweet and i i own up to it and i was like yeah you're right
that is dumb i just got overexcited sometimes because i'm like and i was just like i mean the
details doesn't really matter i was just like over promising something
and we can't do that, Ryan.
We don't have, okay, okay, you're right, you're right.
So in the background
we're always like double
you know, double checking
right? Like nobody's perfect, right?
And so we're always checking
each other. Yeah, you know.
Just Kryptonio. Kryptonio's perfect.
Yeah. No, he is. Congratulations. He's the other. Yeah. Just Kryptonio. Kryptonio is perfect. Yeah.
No, he is.
Congratulations.
He's the exception.
But no, and I think the way of working, like, this is how we work, right?
It's always been like this.
This is why we're still here, right? Because we trust each other and we keep keep each other honest and
uh and i do think this is the year where
that can shine like especially now that the markets are struggling
this is what people are looking for right like so yeah yeah so that's that's kind of how it goes and so i could talk
about like specific features that are coming um yeah so first of all let's clarify a little bit
about the the merge of thea cafe with thea yeah i mean, is it going to be like a separate, I mean, in the website, but like separate
music player with all the pictures that Thea Cafe has already?
Maybe eventually, but we have to do it one at a time.
So here are some specific examples um the so on tea cafe and
you can check it right now it's all there but um we do have a
uh okay so the first thing that we are doing is removing all the copyright registration stuff
are doing is removing all the copyright registration stuff and from teia cafe into the
main site so as you might be aware uh teia does have does have like this experimental
decentralized copyright registration system but the marketplace for that is currently on Taya Cafe because we thought, okay,
we're gonna make money from this.
It needs to be done on a private company like ours.
I don't know, right?
Like, I don't know if that's correct.
Yeah, because Taya is non-profit.
Yeah, makes sense.
Yeah, yeah.
But we're gonna move the marketplace into Taya itself
and then the profits will just go right into the treasury.
So no one's really using it on our site right now anyway.
So I figure we'll just move it over to where the users are.
You know, that's really good.
Because Taya is still active.
People are still using it.
People are still minting every day.
So that's one the other is and Joe is currently working on this right now they are we have a messaging on chain messaging system that allows people to message each other through their wallet address directly.
So, um, there's been, you know, previous experiments around this area.
We're not the first, I know, but what we're going to do is we're going to integrate that using pretty much like the work has been done.
The, the smart contract is done we know it
works we just need to we're finding a new home for it i guess so um what we're gonna do is that
when you log in to nice not really log in when you sync your wallet to Taya, you should have an email-like inbox directly at the site.
And you'll be able to message really anyone from anywhere that has a wallet.
Are the messages going to be on-chain?
It's on-chain, fully on-chain.
Yeah.
Okay.
In that case, I assume that they will be visible.
Like, they will be public, the messages, right?
It's public, and we'll be very clear about that.
be very clear about that and and the way we design or designed it is that these are designed to be
like very quick messages if you want to have a long drawn out conversation uh you can do that
off chain right but but we need this because when i go you know i've been out talking to non-crypto people about it you know
it's been kind of rough to be honest uh but the first thing they ask is like hey uh hey wow
teia has some cool art on it how do i contact the artist i'm like hmm yeah i don't know
artists i'm like hmm yeah i don't know i really don't know this will help a lot yeah it's so so
basic right so yeah and although we did have like some messaging uh apps and still have some uh
waste wallets but if it's not built into the ui, you know, those users will not be aware of them.
So they will not be aware to check their messages.
Exactly. Yeah.
There's third-party tools, but it's just like kind of like, where are they, right?
We don't know.
So I think it's really important that we keep the flow of everything unified, right?
That's part of the whole trying to consolidate everything
and at least for me the only place i can really think of that where this is possible is teya
because people are already there right and and so it's it's like a lot like we have to do a lot
you know but it's not out of reach like most of the work is already done we just have to do a lot, you know, but it's not out of reach. Like most of the work is already done.
We just have to merge it.
Like the smart contracts are already done.
Joe knows how to do all the work.
He's really great by the way.
It's been a pleasure working with him all these years.
And yeah, so we're almost there for all these things and so that that's so that's
just like one thing right messaging so you'll be able to message the artist on teya directly and
then when you sync your wallet it'll give you notifications oh you have two messages from such and such, just like, just like any other web
too, right?
But it's all on chain.
So, so there's that.
And then, uh, we just launched a blogging feature.
If you check that thread, you can see the preview.
So that's there.
We're also planning on adding a wiki because the, uh, this is all based on
feedback now, it's not coming out of nowhere.
People have asked for this specifically like three years ago, honestly.
Right.
I really wanted to get it done, but like I said,
better late than never.
But like a wiki page where either the multisig members
or the TAYA token holders can create resource pages
for themselves.
So like, oh, here's all these tools you can use.
Wait, are you talking about the blog now, the blogging, or not?
No, this is the blog.
You mentioned the blog. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, the blog is… I just kind of skipped it over.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wanted to a little bit clarify again there, well, like, the purpose behind it,
who's going to be able to use it, you know, what kind of blogs would be fitting
there, like, will the users be able to post as well?
Tell us a few more.
Yep.
Anybody can use the blog.
So just go to preview.thea.art slash blog.
It's on testing right now
so it functions like a regular blog
and you got my wheels turning here like i i used to do these bad food pictures just to
bug people like you know how people take pictures of food
before you eat it?
I would always leave one bite,
and then I would take the picture, because that's how good it was.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Bad food blog.
Do you think that would be appropriate for this?
You can do anything.
That's the whole thing.
That's the BDFT.
You can do whatever you want.
If you want.
You want to give creators or anybody who identifies as wanting to make anything as much... We're trying to give them as much freedom as possible.
It could be anything.
There's a blog uh there's also a bulletin for um
making uh so if a multi-sig member wants to do an official post about official teya things
uh there's that too we're also creating an ad admin layer right so it's all done on chain um
oh man sorry i i feel like i'm losing kind of focus
why do you do that man you're just going over features man these are all cool there's a lot you've got going on there is a lot and it's yeah i just feel like i'm just like breezing through all of them so but
if you are you remember we already do it again so i'm just gonna ramble for a while so yeah ramble
ramble i'm gonna cut you off okay cut me off it much, but the blog, if you check out that link, you go to new post, and there's a little thing in the corner, to include a cool image you can search by the
token id or the name or the address and then include it as part of your post and then when
you post it um it will all it will register both the picture and the blog itself.
So this is a way to give attribution, right?
It's a way to give credit to the artwork that you're borrowing from.
And then we're going to build features on top of that as well,
like going forward.
So yeah, this is the stuff that we wanted to do, you know.
FX hash, back when they used to have their article feature.
I really, really liked that feature. It's kind of a shame that they got rid of it,
but they got pretty close to this.
Like they got pretty close to this. They got pretty close to...
Oh, someone's asking me. Sorry.
I'm also live streaming at the same time.
Perfect.
Yeah, I was telling Blanks before we started,
but hey, look, he's live streaming already.
Yeah, there's a lot going on.
So that's why I'm a little, you know.
Focus on the most important.
I'm kidding.
Definitely answer their question.
I'm trying, man.
They're all important.
So, okay.
But that's kind of the blog.
Yeah.
So preview.tea.art.com and check it out yourself.
I think I talked about most of it.tea.art slash blog and you can check it out yourself i think i talked about most of it
very cool um okay so the next thing is i already talked about the registration system we're merging
that in the wiki the wiki so this is further down the line but uh people of the community um wanted to make you know hey uh
like nft biker came up with a new tool here's the link oh here's we're probably going to put
teia cafe in that list too right like just a place for people to update people like a bulletin board that's also run by the community so we're going
to be adding that feature now uh soon uh because right now um the only way to really do this is to
do a pull request on on our github you know it's technically open source, right? It's technically open. It's
technically anyone can do it. But asking people to learn, you know, Git just so they can add a link
on a page is a lot to ask, right? So we're trying to just make it easier for the average person out there. And, um, once we're done, uh, we'll be able to community members will be able to.
Just like a regular Ricky, like suggest updates.
This will be reviewed by the moderation team, which is either the multi-sig or, uh,
uh, one of the moderator wallets.
Right.
And, uh, and then we go better to do that then.
So, yeah, this was also something that was asked for earlier right now.
That information is technically still there it's there, but it's
floating all over the internet.
And honestly, I don't, I don't know where half the things are, right?
It's on like some Notion page or,
or all this, this tweet that someone made three years ago.
Where is that?
Right.
Like, are you really going to dig that up?
Probably not.
Right.
So that's why we're just trying to like merge everything into one place.
So that's why we're just trying to like merge everything into one place.
And then in the same vein, we're also going to do a calendar, a community calendar.
So one calendar for community members that are doing events, either in real life or online or really anything.
And we'll also have the official TAYA calendar
for official TAYA things.
Have you?
I don't know if you are already working on that
or if you are already making it, but...
We haven't started that one yet.
Okay.
In that case, wouldn't it be possible, I don't know, I'm just thinking here, to maybe integrate
the TTC calendar into the...
Yes, yes, yes.
No, no.
They serve a very important function in the community.
I mean, because it already has some events, people,
some people like us and some others that are already posting events, uh, there.
So it would be much easier and faster in a way to, to get it going, you know,
like from day one, you would have people, uh, seeing events on it.
If you just integrate that one instead of making a new one.
We haven't started on this yet,
so this is further down the line.
But, yeah, you're right.
That is where all the event planning is currently happening,
and we do need to try to see how to...
I'm hoping we can come up with something that works for really anyone.
Right.
The main difference here is all of these features would be on chain.
I think, I think for, at least for me, like, I just got tired of all these places, like
just half-assing the, the web three thing, you know, it's like, oh, well, it's, we'll
just like, you know, um, I don't want to cut corners, I guess.
I wanna, we want anything that can be put on chain, we will.
And we don't know.
I'm hoping that people will see the value in that.
We don't know yet, but I think it's worth trying.
So yeah.
So let's see.
Maybe there's a way to put the calendar on chain,
even with TTC,
like we might be able to,
if people are comfortable posting events in a certain way,
we might take the,
what's the word,
the flow of that and just try to move it on.
I don't know, right?
But I'm happy to discuss it.
I mean, I didn't know you wanted it to be on chain,
but in that case, yeah, it might be more complicated,
more difficult, but yeah, I thought I'd break it up as an idea, you know?
No, no, but it makes...
Because when we launch this feature, there's going to be nothing on it, right?
And so it would make sense for us to try to build on the work that has already been done, right?
We're not trying to replace anything.
We're really trying to build on top of what's already been happening.
So we'll see, I don't know, you know, these are experiments.
Like I can't really promise anything, you know, but I think it's worth trying
because I don't think it's ever been done before on this level, you know,
especially with an active community like Teya.
especially with an active community like teya so we're hoping that if we create enough like
incentives or features or for things to do we eventually be able to like um
i don't know hit hit a critical mass of something right and which will lead to growth that's the
that's the goal anyway.
I love it.
Yeah.
Do you want me to keep on talking?
Is there more?
There's more, right?
I mean, yeah.
Yeah, there's always more.
Keep going. No, is that oh i didn't i didn't okay well because uh no it's actually it's worth talking about how is all of this going to be managed
right oh yeah this has been a struggle for taia for a long time because uh we are
legitimately decentralized and we're pretty proud of it you know like there's no there's no
like we've been running this thing for four years and without really any major incidents
without really any major incidents.
So how do we maintain that while also building
some of the features that you kind of come to expect, right?
In the Web2 world or even before that.
So we're going to be treating the multisig core members
So we're going to be treating the multisig core members as sort of the admin, right?
If this was like WordPress or a typical other platform, the multisig members would be the admins.
We were also working on, there'll be also like moderators.
So people like Mal, who is very, very involved with the community, but doesn't necessarily want to be part of that group.
We can give her moderation powers.
So there's going to be some of those features built in, or moderation powers to like.
So there's gonna be some of those features built in, but they will be all on chain.
And that's kind of the point.
Cause in order to become a member, right?
A multi-sign member, you have to go through a process,
right?
It has to be voted in.
It's not just anyone, right?
Any random, like we don't want to run things by bots or, right?
Like how it's typically done.
So, so all these things will have a administrative layer to it.
The, the blog, the wiki, the calendar, you know?
So yeah, that's kind of the big,
that's how it's gonna be structured, I guess,
how it's gonna be managed.
And yeah, so we're taking, you know,
the TAE has always been a big experiment, right?
That's how, that's always how we thought of ourselves.
But we're taking this experiment to the next level.
Sounds fun.
Ryan, do you mind if we open up the stage for questions, if anybody has any?
Yeah, and if any other TAYia members wants to come up to even joe i see i see joe i see zyro
yeah please do yeah if anyone has any questions for ryan i feel i this is how i feel all the time
when i'm talking to normie is like i just feel like i'm this crazy man rambling
about a bunch of crazy things we're all listening you know i i see requests coming in like crazy to
come save you ryan no worries yes no worries you lex i see me and when we say me i don't mean myself
i mean me or a tito i think I think that's kind of it.
Like, I think I talk, well, we can talk about this column later, but.
Sure, sure.
Yeah, sure.
Any questions?
All right.
Well, Lex made it up first.
So we'll go there.
Me, I don't know what happened.
You vanished.
I'm sure you'll talk as soon as you're available.
Maybe.
Lex, what's up, my man?
Welcome, welcome.
Hey, what's going on? What's up, everyone into. Lex, what's up, my man? Welcome, welcome. Hey, what's going on?
What's up, everyone?
Into the room.
What's up, Ryan?
We're chatting earlier today.
That's great news.
I'm so...
Congratulations.
And congratulations
to the entire community,
Teya and everything.
I love Teya,
but Teya Cafe is so dope
and it's so needed in our community
And just across the ecosystem
I mean I've been
Professing about digital
Music just on
Chain since the 8th days in 2019
And have some stuff over there
And you know and just
Across the board I see a lot of
Great musicians on chain
That but they don't really have a place to put their stuff.
And they do, but it's not celebrated.
It's not demonstrated.
It's not displayed.
Even at the events, even at the events, and I've been physically at these events for a long time, they just don't do it.
And it's not the artist's fault.
And I'm not trying to throw a fault at anyone, honestly.
I think it's
just more focusing on the positive and a lot of stuff you said today you know i'm like wow because
i know i keep bothering you and suddenly oh man i wish we could do this i wish we could do that
um and i'm hoping that tear cafe like the music list uh the playlist like that gets a little
injection of like stuff that we can do and i love the yeah that too that's on the list
too yeah right right right there's definitely there's a lot to do i got ideas and i got stuff
and you know whatever but the i love the idea of the whole blog thing right because it's like now
we have a message board a forum for all the musicians who are putting their stuff on Tecafe.
Now we can like, hey, what's up, Fendo?
Like, what did you use to make that one noise and whatever?
Maybe there's like, you know, and then we can now start talking about that kind of stuff.
For people who don't know, that's how Winter Music Conference started in Miami in the 80s.
It's still going today.
It's called Miami Music Week.
But it was a conference of not only the concerts,
but it was an area where people can come and talk about the gear
and talk about how it used to be just two tables and a microphone,
and now it's just drum machines and synths and this and that,
and having the community speak with each other you know yes um
i feel like that's like that's why we're really excited about the message feature because i feel
like the biggest issue in this space is communication and not not even just in general, not even just in Tesla's or crypto, it really is like the world, right?
Like, cause you go on, you go on sites like these half the people you're talking to are bots, right?
Like you don't know what's so, so part of, yeah.
So we'll, we'll also be adding, uh, I forgot, forgot to mention this, but like commenting, right?
will be adding uh i forgot to mention this but like commenting right commenting uh we'll be using
the same messaging contract to add comments onto things like polls right you're gonna polls
proposals um hey cool track man right there's something simple like that yeah and and also like audiophiles genres
you know and stuff like category maybe there's categories subcategories that people want to
talk about that post you made about burritos i don't know right like just basic like human
communication right and up until now uh there hasn't been really a great way to do it on Web3.
But I agree with you. More communication with less obstacles, right?
Even on what we're on today. I mean, you've got to be grateful we're able to do this on what we're on today.
But there's also a lot of noise and a lot of obstacles and a lot of like, oh, on our way to this, I saw this link.
But, you know, if we're focusing let's say on a specific
day like tes day is absolutely amazing right and we create like let's say thursdays for tes music
and everybody kind of jumps on the blog and we start talking about certain conversations we're
there for that reason right we're there for it's educational it's communication and we're celebrating
what we created and what you know we're inspired by the rest of us and it doesn't necessarily have to be about music but i'm just i'm just
taking an example of how i could see the blog benefit you know the cafe which is the playlist
for people who don't know teia.cafe you know you can start you know you can just even go on there
and listen to awesome music you mentioned like time and place right
like even the calendar like it's really hard to know I miss a lot of events happening on
teslos and I try my best but it's just like a lot of things tend to happen randomly right and
um so it the more organized you can get around this stuff, just around basic things, right?
Just time, place, like what, where, you know.
Or we go from, let's be like absolute about it, right?
We'll go from what is happening digitally, you know, where and what is happening physically, where.
physically where i mean tezcon from tezcon to our basel whether it's our basel in switzerland
paris hong kong or miami you know i mean and it's like it's like all over the world where are you
guess what you are x amount of miles from this place yeah if we're organized enough like imagine
this right if if the community is organized enough i can make a event on the teia calendar
and that will automatically be distributed to every other calendar in the ecosystem right and
you can everyone will know exactly what is happening everywhere and uh right now uh it's all over the place you know people are trying
their best but it is a little chaotic right and if we can make that just a little easier
you know and um i think it's possible here like in other chains I wouldn't even bother because they're too busy punching each other, you know, to even care.
Or trying to reset their blockchain server.
But anyways, I think it's great news.
Definitely anybody else who has questions or comments.
Yeah, so thank you.
No, I appreciate it.
Well, we've been fighting X.
Fendl, maybe one day we'll get you up here, man. We accepted you
a few times. I'm sorry. Me?
Oh my god, that was a battle. Welcome.
Oh no.
We were in a different space.
Hello?
Hello.
Good afternoon, good day, good night
wherever you are.
Ryan, I jump up because what an amazing space.
So interesting, everything I'm listening.
I want to invite you, kindly invite you to a space interpreted for Spanish speakers.
Okay. Yeah. I don't know any
Spanish whatsoever. No, don't worry. Stroke,
other friends and myself, we
did this for Serum Bound once.
You'll see, it's easy. You just talk in English
and we do the stuff.
Oh, okay. No, I'm very interested.
Because people are very interesting and so many things you are talking about.
Mostly, many of us, we are born in Hickening, so we already have our accounts, our part of the community, and also many of us, we are musicians,
and we are for so long waiting for our proper reproducer, so I think this is a lot of interesting for many people that does not understand English. So I'll write you later or
tomorrow and perhaps in I really want to study before everything you just said everything a
little more about it so we can do a proper translation. Okay, I know, I appreciate it. I am interested for sure. Right. Because right now
we're trying to get the word out of these things. And yeah, and with everything that's going on,
people just before this phase, we were talking about about Taya and all the real options.
I mean, this is actually part of the reason why we wanted
to work on the messaging system.
Because as you know, not everyone from the Hekip Nank days
or even Teya, they're not on sites like these, right?
And there are actual, like, political reasons why they're not here either, right?
I remember, I don't know what the status is right now, but there's some areas where people from Brazil or South America literally can't get on here.
And so we have no idea what they're doing, right?
And so part of moving everything on chain really is kind of going back to crypto's original mission of crypto.
Yes.
Right?
Yeah.
Yes.
It's like we chat some days ago. It kind of feels like with everything that has
going on in these late years, we are more and more going and trying and finding the
way back to the real Web3 principles. So when you listen to all these proposals of course
we are so interested in okay yeah i'm so glad to hear that yeah no thank you thank you thanks
to you thanks to tesla's comments of course hyphen the little yeah all right see yeah
i really do think this is the right path to take. And I'm hoping that once we get, you know, like a few things up and running, you know, even people who left the space will come back.
of people who left the uh ecosystem not just because they lost interest but it was forced on
them right like it was uh it was out of their control so yeah i don't know i don't know we'll
see right we'll make we'll make the ladders or the bridges know, and hopefully some people might come back.
That's what I'm hoping.
Well, we got Fendel back.
Oh, yeah.
Hey.
Hey, how's it going, you guys?
Thank you for the space, of course.
Blangs, appreciate you guys.
Hi, me.
And, yeah, Ryan, just wanted to say quickly, you know, congratulations.
This is a really exciting time, even though my kind of marketplace is like whatever.
I know, that's how it goes, doesn't it?
The worse it is, the better, the more you get done.
Yeah, yeah.
I have a couple of questions for you, like, you know, for the future of Taya. Like, you know, I see, you know, like, we're going to have, like, all these cool new features.
And I'm, you know, super excited about it.
What's your, like, thought about't currently have but would be like the
the the maybe one or two things that you would love to see as like you know down down the road
for for features sure i mean um this is on the roadmap already but um the biggest thing that we really need to address is we need to update our, both our minting and our swapping contract.
Because it at the time it served its purpose, but, but I feel like we're in a different stage in the markets.
So that's going to be what comes probably at the end of all these features.
So yeah, it's a lot of, these are all things no one's going to see.
Okay.
Like, right.
But it's so important because uh the minting
contract needs to be updated so that uh uh teya can get a little bit of a fee because right now
they're not it's just a drain on um on the uh resources because we're not really getting anything from minting.
So that part needs to change. And then this is important not just for us, but for the community,
because when you mint something on TIA currently, if it sells on other places, we don't get anything.
And that's been causing some tension, right, between some of the community members.
So we can fix that.
That'll solve that issue, I think.
And then the swapping contract needs a few, you know, a few upgrades to it that'll just make things like uh collabs split revenues um
tracking right now we need a we need to think of a way how to integrate existing and newer nfts into
existing and newer NFTs into L2s, right?
We talked about this before about creating like a streaming platform, right?
For music.
So to turn that into a reality, we need all this infrastructure.
And that infrastructure doesn't exist right now, but we can get there, you know,
if we want to. So I'm hoping we can do that at some point but it's going
to be a little it's going to take some time just because it has to go through the DAO like we can't
just swap out the minting contract on a whim right so we need to vote on that and and just to clarify
because some people might not you know know the context and the history of the
minting contracts, it's because Payah is still using basically the initial minting hand contracts,
right?
It's the same contract of Hikkenung we're using.
We're still using the same one.
Yeah, which you don't own any admin keys or anything.
So there is nothing that you can do to change the current contracts.
That's why you're saying we would probably need some new contracts.
So we're going to have to, yeah, we're going to have to move it to a version
two and have Teya has its own contract.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's going to take a little while because it's not
just the tech but it's also
we got to keep in mind
people's feelings about
yeah absolutely
well in my opinion I would agree that
it is needed and
I think you said it very well
that it's purpose at that
moment it was needed but now at
this stage
I feel like personally I feel like that it served purpose at that moment. It was needed, but now at this stage...
I feel like, personally, yeah.
Personally, I feel like it's time to move on.
You know, Hiketnuk was great,
but that was, you know, like a certain period in time, right,
of our Tesla's history.
So it would actually make sense yeah and you don't
even have to move on from the because it's about the spirit it's about you know the
and we're not getting rid of anything yeah exactly exactly yeah no no no like i i gotta i gotta say
that this is important because like sometimes when you propose new ideas, people get worried that the old stuff is going to go away.
I'm like, no, no, no.
If you want to mint on Iket Nung, that will always be there.
We're not deprecating that.
We're not replacing anything.
We're only adding.
So if people want to mint on the new contract, they can. If they want to mint on the old one, they can too.
We're going to support both.
But we have to give people the option to do things in a new way.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, so that's the idea.
We're adding.
We're not replacing.
Yeah.
Yeah, we will learn more details when the time comes,
I suppose.
But yeah.
Yeah, that's kind of in the future, so not a rush.
Yeah.
Well, let's see.
I don't know if that answers your question.
Yeah, I was going to say Fendel.
Actually, I'm kind of curious, was there something you wanted to see on Taya now that you're
a member?
Well, I mean, that's a good question.
I mean, a lot. That's a good question. Well, you know, I'm always, I'm always like kind of looking at things, trying to be objective, you know, and trying to view things as if, what if I was a person who was not, you know, into Tezos or Web3, and I landed here on Taya, and I'm looking at this website, and I'm trying to like put myself in those shoes, you know?
And so like, I think about these things.
So like I was, you know, I was gonna ask you about the UI
and if, you know, you guys have plans for the UI itself
or maybe not, you know?
We do, but there's so much to do that there are other,
I think there's a few devs out there who are interested in working
on the UI of Taya.
I think Mal is working with one of them.
I did see a few messages that people seem to
be interested so yeah we we're only two people me and joe you know uh of course yeah there's only so
much we can do and um our priority right now is to do like we're we're kind of in a unique situation where like Joe knows
his smart contracts in and out.
And so to make the most, the best use of his time, we're focusing on doing that.
And so, yeah, I will say though, like I'm hoping that more people will decide to get involved
with the dev side because we really need help like there's so many things that need to be done
um yeah the that's really good to know actually because i you know i know that people do want to help. So yeah.
So I'm excited.
If you're interested in contributing to the code,
you can talk to me or Zyro.
Zyro does a lot of the reviews.
And anyone can do a pull request and he'll look at it.
And if it doesn't destroy the website, then he'll say, okay.
I almost did that a few times.
Yeah.
I was like, oh, I remember I pushed something and I didn't realize, oh, when you press that button, it crashes the whole thing.
Oops.
But good thing he caught it
or or uh yeah so uh but you know just just don't i don't know but but see there's there i guess like
there's a lot of people who like code by ai right like and i'm not against it um but the code has
to work right that's the main thing and um if you feel like there's something that needs to change
on the site but you're not comfortable with like your coding skills like me i'm not comfortable but i did it anyway you know uh but but we can we can there's still
ways for people to contribute right and then we i would like to think that uh
um yeah we're not gonna we're not gonna bite you know um so if you want to help out oh please please do please ask maybe
there's something we're always someone has to push the cart when sergio flores plays so i mean yeah
it's okay you can push the cart it's okay yeah i think i feel like some some people get intimidated
um with this stuff because yeah they're worried of breaking something.
But all I want to say is like,
hey, don't worry about it.
If it doesn't work,
we have checks and balances.
We have things to make sure that doesn't happen
and we're happy to work with people.
Because really the hardest thing
is getting people to
like contribute, right? Like starting it. Once the work itself is in, we can tweak it or fix it. That's not a big deal.
It's just the hardest thing is getting started, right?
Yeah. You nailed it
well Ryan we normally keep these things to an hour
but man we let you go for another 13 minutes
if you're down we'll let you go for a couple more too
sounds like you got a little bit longer
sorry Zyro for creating more work for you
but you know
yeah I know he did a lot for us like he's he
continues to so just wanna you know just shout out thank you thanks for all your yeah all your uh
all your help all these years so okay, I guess just to close it off,
you know, we can talk about TezCon.
No, I don't think so.
I think we can talk.
No, I'm kidding.
Go ahead, man.
Yeah, let's talk about it.
So, yeah, so as you know,
this will be the third year of TezCon
we're doing in Seattle.
Yeah.
And we have settled
on a theme.
It's a little
edgy.
And shitification.
We've been talking about it for a while, but that's what
we're settled on.
We even
amazingly, Fendo over there
reached out to Corey Doctorow, the guy that wrote the book on intradification.
And yeah, so we're in contact with him.
And if you look at the thread, I posted a link to some sketches Erika made.
I don't know if you see it.
Oh, I saw Erika's sketches.
Those are great.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's so awesome.
So I think, and then we just got a retweet from Corey, you know, and he's like,
you know it's like but uh just to clarify because uh from this side of the ocean we we have our
dates uh in a different format it's uh 11th of june not 7 of november right no 11th of july
oh my god yeah yeah you really bungled that real bad oh my god yeah i did i did i did it's july
july 11th 2026 i don't know how you organize your numbers over there
europe or whatever but yeah but yeah zero seven they do it much dude they they do it in a way that makes sense on a computer.
The way we do it makes no sense.
I know we're wrong.
It's all about right or wrong.
It's just about clarifying.
Yes, the month is 7, which is also known as July.
Then the date is 11.
Yeah, so it's going to be June 11thth it'll be in uh the hiawatha arts
building that's uh in seattle it's kind of near capitol hill uh but yeah that's our that's our
um theme this year just because i think it is going to resonate with a lot of people about, you know, how they're feeling about like, you know, just in things in general.
And this, this year, we're going to try to focus more on making the event,
like, and making it an experience, you know,
like a lot of people to go to it and feeling like, wow, I just, it's, I went through something, you know like a lot of people to go to it and feeling like wow i just it's
i went through something you know so it's gonna be less on the tech side but more on
like the art side more on the uh uh yeah they they will you know they'll be the usual things like uh like uh panels and we'll be talking
about things but but I think we're gonna make it a little music music art there's gonna be
some snacks and drinks and we're trying not to overthink it this year you, like last year, it was great, but, but I think we like over structured a
lot of things. So, so like year one, everything was just chaos. Like it just came together
in like a couple of weeks, you know, no one knew what really was going on, but it was
a lot of fun, right? People remember, like, I still have good feelings from that first year. And many of you were, were here also.
Uh, but, but the organization aside, it was a shit show, right?
I won't lie.
No, no one cared, but still, right.
So those are the second, second year, I think we were much more organized.
Like everything, not, it wasn't perfect, but most things came together.
So, but this year, hopefully we'll find a nice balance between the two.
And, and the theme is great because we're just kind of joking about it earlier, but
yeah, you know, in Shinnevacation, things go wrong.
It's part of the show.
Right.
So, so all those sketches that erica made like i was just like
yeah just like do whatever you want you know it's like oh should i do it like this or that or like
i don't know right like just uh let the artist do what they want right and see what happens and i
think i think that way it'll be a lot of fun so that's really what I want I just want it to be
fun so like lately lately like crypto hasn't been as fun because everyone's just like
yeah and then looking at the charts too much I feel like so um yeah and then so lex you got your hand up there buddy oh yeah i saw it something
uh yeah um okay so that means that there is a what we're five months away
uh from from july so there's going to be an open call for art to be displayed over there? Is that what we're talking about? Yes. So we're hoping that we'll get more of the details
at our next meeting, which is in a couple of weeks.
But we're going to figure out, yeah,
like officially, like what are we going to be doing?
And yeah, if you have any things you'd like to do,
please let us know because we want going to be doing and uh yeah if you have any things you'd like to do uh
please let us know because we want it we want this to be we want the artists to feel like they own this event you know and uh yeah you know that's the spirit there'll be some uh teya projects as
well represented there uh for sure there'll be some music um but there's something
that if you have an idea that you want to do at this event please let us know we'll probably just
say yes uh we're probably going to invite everyone in teslos right hey if you want to come and do whatever you want to set up a
booth, you want to make a test poll, you know, uh, you want to just like hang out
in the corner and do nothing.
Sure.
You know, we're just going to say yes to everything and just see what happens.
Cause why not?
Right.
Just don't be a jerk.
Right.
That's it.
That's the only criteria.
Can I still be a jerk to you, though?
Only in private.
Yeah.
Not in public spaces.
I appreciate that.
Publicly.
Yeah.
No, actually, the opposite.
I'd rather you do it publicly because oh and I don't have to
worry about it you know when I'm well say anything back that I wouldn't say
yeah yeah something you want to say right now yeah Ryan yeah I think you're
doing a great job man and I'm really proud of you and everything that you've
done in the Seattle end you're definitely you're pushing people to do
things that are
outside their comfort zone which inevitably forces growth and innovation so yeah you're doing what
you need to do that's all i have to say to you sir and you better take that personal okay well
sorry if i make you feel uncomfortable but uh no you don't make me feel uncomfortable at all feel
like this needs to get done you know oh yeah and, yeah, and that's a great segue into one thing I wanted to talk about.
You know, like, everyone's talking about Alyssa Liu, right?
The gold medal figure skater.
She's like, yeah, so there's, like, one quote that someone posted
that really I thought was hilarious it's just like
so she's talking about like you know how how she got to where he was and she's really like a genius
like she's like that's the that's like someone it was something to see her like if you want to know
what artistic success looks like that's her but but there's one quote she really stood out to me
it was like oh the interviewer was like oh you're kind of scrappy aren't you you know and she was
like oh yeah i love struggling actually it makes me feel alive and i'm like hey that's us you know someone was joking like oh that that was us since 2021 that's
us that's tezzles oh i love straight easy and you know and i'm like fuck like even my brother
says this like my brother always reminds me like you know you like you like the friction you like and i'm like yeah actually the more it goes on and it's just like yeah you
know if i if it wasn't a challenge i probably wouldn't be doing it you know so so that's why
i feel like like we're so close like we're so close like we can be the alissa lu of crypto if we just like embrace the struggle
which is not an uncommon thing for artists to say right like our art is struggle right that's a
thing people say all the time so but if we just embrace it and start believing in what we do
i think we can get there like so it's kind of nice uh yeah and
it all happened this week where it's just like oh it's looking for an example you know of like how
how we can get out of this you know uh market uh you know that's all i kind of see on Twitter these days, you know, like, oh, Bitcoin's dying.
Ah, Ethereum, ah, Vitalik's selling off his shares.
Oh, no.
Right.
But, you know, it doesn't matter, man.
Just, just, just focus on what we're doing.
And I think it'll work out.
Brian, if people meet you at TezCon,
what should they come prepared with so the conversation is
useful what does that mean what the fuck does that mean
purpose for you buddy what kind of question is that jesus oh it's such a loaded horrible question
and i saved it just for you okay well i thought at least it was on purpose god oh yeah yeah yeah
of course i was like how can i really really make him uncomfortable what's a good question i could
oh this one right here i want to be useful well what is what would i respond to that
well ryan i mean last year i remember there was a moment where i'm sitting at the table
um people are running around you're kind of sitting in the corner just like staring
and everybody's going up to you like ryan what do we do ryan what do we do and that was the moment
where you kind of i think that was the moment where you just were like all right i'm assuming this role oh actually no no no that's
a good point actually so if you ask me this year that question what do i do what i do i mean do i
do whatever you want i don't care nice okay yeah see that was what the question was in reference
to you no that's great actually yeah yeah just do what i don't give a fuck anymore
it's in shitification man like if it's a mess it's part of the show just do whatever the fuck
you want and have fun that's it man you you've definitely become more americanized living up in Americanized you know even the first year right the first year everything was a
mess but it was the funnest thing ever so oh see and I think the first year was
probably and I don't know Lex maybe you can you can you've done a lot of events
man but our first one it couldn't have gone more perfect even though you know and
it wasn't really me like i didn't become an organizer until later but you know that was a
group effort right but uh yeah ryan could you expand on a certification from um you said somebody
had i know someone with like 400 000 retweeted today cory yeah could you
could you just like on the tail end of this just expand on what i mean more so on what that means
or what what it meant originally and what we're borrowing from it sure actually fendom might be
able to explain it better because you've been talking with him right? Yeah I mean and shitification you know as it as it relates to the author is really about is really
about large corporations building things and breaking them intentionally and then charging
their customers more money. I mean, if you could like really boil
it down to like one sentence, that's kind of, that's more or less what it's all about. But in
terms of the event itself, this is more about like, I think a broader, I think it's more of a broader type of like term about about why things break
you know and and what that could look like artistically musically um etc but um if you
haven't read the book i would definitely recommend it it's a great book and and um and it's been a real pleasure, like going back and forth with emails with Cory Doctorow.
And I think he really cares, you know, about an internet that is, you know, more along the lines of a decentralized place or things that, you know that at least make sense
and work. And I think
that's one of the
kind of
things that he tries to get
right at the end of his book.
Yeah, it's whatever
you want it to be. I don't give a fuck. Do whatever
you want.
See?
Wow.
Do you have those chocolate-covered fortune cookies this year because if you do i'm definitely going to show up okay well i'll let my mom know um yeah if she if if you
like them so much all of them i think at the end and we took them home and we hid them from the
children and we ate them with smug smiles on our faces they were some
of the best fortune they were yeah uh so yeah yeah uh so that's the official meaning right from
from at least the book that he wrote but it really it's it's whatever you want to think of it as because i think it's uh says a lot about it allows people to make a statement
on what's happening now right in the world and it can be whatever you want really so
yeah well just don't order any like in shitified sandwiches
or pizzas or something because I think people would take that.
The thing is, the thing is, it's not just that,
but I've heard people around here, like around Seattle,
use that term.
Like, it's a thing.
Like, even my friends use it.
In what context?
Like, can you give it a sentence?
Like, how do they use it? In what context? Can you give it a sentence? It's usually when I'm playing video games and my friends, they're from California, but
they're not happy with the last update or whatever.
And so, oh yeah, in shitificationification basically you're saying
this game has become shitty
I mean we could use Jersey Mike's
as an example man you used to go to Jersey Mike's
for a good sandwich and now it's like
barely a roll with half
so okay so
that of all the explanations
I finally get it with the Jersey Mike. I was
the last person on earth to taste that. And I was like, what is this supposed to be?
Yeah.
Okay. I get it now.
I moved to this neighborhood in Seattle because I really liked the burger place. Thanks to
my apartment. It's still good. But since I moved here here i noticed the burger has gotten smaller and smaller and smaller
and yeah i mean what like a 16 ounce can is 14. uh you know 16 ounce package of food is 14.3 i
mean it hasn't gotten cheaper it's just gotten smaller in certification right there yeah it seems like it'd be anything really um i would okay
just just one thing i would i'm not gonna try to pressure anyone but it would be nice if this
wasn't this didn't turn into like a nihilistic oh well everything sucks so we should just give
i don't want it to be depressing
you mean this should be the
the like the name is
is what it is the inverse of what you want us
to bring is that what you're saying
well
you know it's like the
concept of creative destruction
right like
shit things turning into into is destruction but there's also a optimistic side to
it right like something that comes after or i don't know but but either way i just i don't
want i don't want people to just show up and just be sad and then they leave sad and
you know i don't think that'll happen with tesla's people because you people are too weird for that
but um yeah well yeah we're weird yeah i love that that that's probably the best line too weird for
that yeah says those people that's all right i've been to events around here where they're just it's just sad you know
they go to a bar and they sing sad music and they're just sad and then uh you're like okay well
i think that's the pacific northwest man i know i've noticed i guess but fendel why are you raising
your hand just cut off ryan you know he just goes on just say cut me off man i mean you know he just goes on and just say cut me off man i mean you know i just want to add you know
like the basic formula of inification are platforms that are really good to their users at first
and they grow huge and then they're good to like all of the business customers and advertisers
and sellers and then they're basically good to themselves and their shareholders and
that's the trajectory and that then you get what you get after that is rot just rot away man and
extraction right extraction yeah yeah so that that's exactly what the book is about, you know, if you, if you really boil it down, you know, and,
but yeah, but I agree with you, Ryan, like, I do want to be careful about like, just being
like dark about this all the time. Because dark is everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I do want to
retain some levity and, and just some light some overall lightness about like you know
my personal approach because you know yeah we're all we're all here you know yeah to me it's like
maybe the celebration of uh chaos or celebration of the jank right i don't know but i'm you know like i said i'm not gonna um tell people what what what
to do either way so but between the the sketches um that someone i'm sorry what was the name of
the artist erica erica yeah um i'm not sure if she's in the room but yeah they're really dope
and they look really raw they remind me of like kind of like early,
they remind me of early like tank girl or early like punk rock,
like kind of that style of like, um, of where comic graphics met,
like, you know, kind of like band flyers, you know,
the first punk rock flyers, you know, and, and that's what it,
and that's kind of, that could be cool. Cause you know,
you have that whole DGN effect and then you have the whole like listen it's okay for the wires to come out of the
screen like everything doesn't have to be so tuck and pull you know some of these some of the events
have become so cosmetic that it's almost like oh what are we doing we basically want to do the
opposite of that and sounds dope like i lot i've been to a lot of
conferences and they're very boring like i'll be honest like i don't want to go to it anymore
like tez poll was the greatest thing to ever happen in an art opening ever and that's how
i really feel about it but um yeah you know like there's a there's a certain freedom and optimism in everything just being a
mess right like on one hand it's messy but on the other hand you can do whatever you want because
because it's just right so yeah then there's a there's a certain way it just really depends on how you look at it
so yeah at the other end of the mess you know like we're all in this space and
you know like tezos just works yeah so
yeah it does doesn't it it just keeps working too
yeah a friend i got that line from a friend of mine
Fendel you gonna find are you gonna pull up in a DeLorean or what it's funny you say that like
because I've been I have been in this DeLorean for like a week and a half already and that's just a metaphor really but everybody's like really yeah yeah on the east side that that
repairs DeLoreans I don't know if you know that but I I've been I really want i really want to invite that that guy to tezcon like would that
be amazing if the delorean pulls up yeah yeah invite everybody we're going to invite everyone
in miami hey if anybody in teslos like teslos foundation trail attackilitech, you know, the labs and like really anyone.
Hey, just come.
Just send us an email.
You're coming.
You have an open invitation.
Let's start creating maps.
What's the fastest route A to B?
I think I'm the farthest, right?
Miami?
Would that be the farthest?
Well, no, Greece. Hold on a second.
Greece would be the farthest when
Kryptonio gets out here.
Yeah.
Sorry, so far.
Unless he goes
over.
I could go through.
Over the North Pole.
Whoa.
That's a whole other topic.
Like, how much force
would you need to like get away from
the gravitational pull of going through the middle
of earth? Anyway, sorry. That's
a whole other conversation.
Now would you just
let it fall until you reached close
to the bottom and then accelerate through
to try to... anyway, sorry.
I don't know how that stuff works.
I don't think it's been done before.
And would you get trapped on the side?
Like a guy anyway, sorry.
Well, I think that's it.
I think I talked about, yeah.
And then the rest, you know, if you want to hear more details and there are
plenty of details, but if you want to hear it, I'm always here.
And yeah, we're focused.
Like this is my full time job now just to make like Taya and TizCon the best thing to happen ever.
You know, so yeah, that's, that's what i'm going to be doing
all right well i should have just cut it right there because that was like the most like huh
and and it would have been perfect i'm kidding man you did great dude thank you so much for
taking the time today and for any everyone watching or listening watching whatever we'll
we'll share the replay as usual.
And we'll be back next week with
another episode of Tuesday, Tuesday.
Hey, it's a pleasure.
Thanks for having me.
Bro, thanks
for coming up. And everybody else who had questions,
everybody who came and shared,
Lex, Fendel, me, appreciate
you so much. Everybody who joined us for the show.
Did you thank yourself?
You just did.
It's okay.
Loving yourself is not a sin.
You know?
Look at Alyssa, okay?
One loves somebody else if one does not love themselves.
Look at those clips by Alyssa Liu.
Loving herself.
Shout out to me.
Shout out to me. shout out to me always
you're amazing
appreciate you
keep doing those spaces man we appreciate
you translating and sharing
because man language is a weird barrier
let's do it
make Ryan talk in front of more people. It's fun.
Yes.
All right. Well, we'll be back with another episode
of Tuesday, Tuesday next week.
But until then, I will say, stay
curious, stay connected,
and we'll catch you next time.
Thanks for joining.
