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.TWIN Part II: Autonomous Agents, Wallets, and What Comes Next
Recorded: Dec. 16, 2025 Duration: 1:00:15Space Recording
Short Summary
Synergetics is launching its innovative agent economy, introducing the .twin domain to enhance identity verification and transactions in the blockchain space. Strategic partnerships, including one with Project Nanda from MIT, and projections of a $259 billion digital twin market highlight significant growth and trends in the crypto ecosystem.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Okay. Hello, hello, hello, hello, everybody. Raghu, I see you in the audience.
Can you request to speak and we'll invite you on up.
Woohoo, this will be a good one.
Raghu, if you can hear me, if you can request to to speak I'll bring you on up to the stage hopefully everybody else is having a great day I'd love to see how
many people have their Christmas shopping done anybody have their
Christmas shopping done not me not finished yet but almost there i don't know it takes a little bit of time every time i think i'm done i've got
like 10 new people i have to buy for i find out someone else is coming to the lunch or the dinner
or the you know christmasy party so it's kind of interesting you know hey ragu how are you
So it's kind of interesting, you know.
Hey, Raghu, how are you?
Good. Are you able to hear me?
I can, yes.
Okay, great. Thank you.
Yeah, thanks for coming up.
So I was just asking if people have finished their Christmas shopping.
Do you do Christmas shopping and are you finished?
For me, we did a little bit last week.
But yeah, I don't know about others,
but I actually have fun doing it.
Yeah, it's kind of interesting, I think, to...
You know, I like to get it all done
so then I can just sit back and relax
and enjoy the Christmas holiday.
But like I said, my mom just invited more people here and there.
And so I feel like I have to buy for all my cousins and nephews
and everybody else that's coming.
So we'll see how it goes.
Raghu, would you have, is your company also joining just to kind of rally?
Yeah, I did send the invite to a bunch of folks.
Some might join, especially go to the side.
And then the rest are offshore.
They may not join because it's early in the morning there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I agree.
What about your, I just want to make sure that we've got your main account,
Synergetics account. Are they going to join?
So we didn't get the link in time, so I'll see if they don't join. It's okay. If you're recording it, then we'll figure out something later on.
Okay. Okay. That sounds great. Well, then let's go ahead and get started. I know everybody's
really excited with the big announcement, although I'm sure some people may not have
heard the news yet. So because of that, Raghu, why don't you just briefly recap
what your mission is, what Synergetics mission is you know because i think
the last time we had a space it was in april yes so basically synergetics is powering the agent
economy so if you look at the agent economy it consists of four different groups one is enterprises the second is consumers third is the community
and then the fourth is uh are the creators and so uh in this economy uh there's both
demand and supply so demand comes from enterprises and the consumers the supply
uh side of things comes from the community and the creators and
what we are transacting here are um ai related um uh sort of artifacts and so for instance the best
way to describe it is uh if you were to create a a digital twin of yourself using the Synergy wallet that you can download on iOS
and Android, from a consumer perspective, you can create your own twin. And your twin can go off
and participate in agent commerce by executing tasks autonomously. So instance you could go to a website and shop your agent could be given the
task of shopping and while you might participate in other tasks you might be doing something else
and the agent is off off on its own looking for things shopping or making restaurant reservations
or travel bookings on your behalf so that's's from a consumer standpoint, how the agent economy sort of might manifest itself.
From an enterprise standpoint, it would be somewhat different.
So enterprises are typically looking at the agent economy
to find agents which are pre-built that they can rent
and bring in-house to complete certain work
in their enterprise, in their company.
So for instance, if I was a small business and I run my shop using QuickBooks,
I might want to find a QuickBooks agent that maybe a creator has built
and then bring it in-house to complete my QuickBooks tasks
because I don't know of many people who like doing
bookkeeping so you'd rather have an ai agent handle that that chore for you so so this way
the asian economy has got many use cases and um and uh so we uh introduced this dot twin um
introduced this dot twin domain initially on web 3 with the help of unstoppable domains
um and then now we we have you know applied for the ican listing for the web 2 uh doctrine domain
and and um i'll just mention one more thing and then hand it back so so the main thing in this Asian economy is identity is a very important thing.
So every participant has an ID and that ID happens to be this long 32 character
hexadecimal address and so that's not easy to remember. In order to avoid mistakes when transacting with one another, it's better to have a name.
The .twin name would be a great way to resolve this problem.
Just like you have DNS in the web world where www.xyz.com resolves to some IP address the same way, let's say my friend Julia is listening in.
So it'll be Julia.twin would resolve to her wallet address.
So this way what happens is it's easy to transact with one another.
You know exactly who you are transacting with and so on.
But there's a lot more to it.
I'll talk more about it later on.
That is awesome.
So for those who don't know,
I just want to back up just for a second, Raghu.
You talked about an agent.
So you talked about how you guys are building this agent economy.
In case you don't know, an agent
is simply a software that can make a decision and take an action autonomously to achieve their goal.
So they don't require human input for every step. So think about it kind of like moving from a tool that you use to an assistant that acts on your behalf.
So that's what an agent is. And then Raghu also talked about a twin and twins are very powerful.
Twin is basically a virtual replica of something real like a person or a product
or a process. For example, I was on the board of a company
called Altair, and we did digital twins for a coffee maker so that we could do testing on the
digital twin, not having to waste coffee, not having to waste machine parts, etc. So essentially,
everything is synchronized with its physical counterpart through data. It lets you
simulate things,
monitor things, and predict things, but not having the real thing here. So the agent accomplishes
things and the digital twin will help you mirror things so that you can test much more efficiently
and effectively as well. Hopefully that helps. I saw a couple of people reach out to me saying,
what is an agent? What is a digital twin? And it's fine. Not everybody knows what all these
things are so far. Raku, did I explain that well, or is there anything you want to add on explanation?
So your answer was accurate. And so the world of digital twins started off with
what we call Internet of Things, and so IoT.
And so with these inanimate objects, you could create their twins.
And that's where that word got its origins from the genesis of those.
That term came from that IoT world. But then now what we have done is made that twin and the word agent somewhat synonymous.
And the way we use it is we use twin when it comes to consumers
wanting to create their own likeness online,
which is their own twin who can do various things on their behalf.
And then the word agent we use primarily in the enterprise space where it's a digital worker who's performing certain tasks and so on.
Could be marketing, could be accounting, could be whatnot.
So that's how we're using those terms.
But they sort of resolve to the same thing ultimately.
And we have a somewhat rigorous definition of an agent or a twin
so every agent has an id just like you and i have our driver's license and passport and so on
every agent has got an id and then um that id is uh held in a wallet and the ID is also registered on blockchain, which serves as what we call a registry.
And this is where our collaboration with Project Nanda from MIT Media Lab comes into play. So we use a blockchain-based registry where just like you register your motor vehicle at the DMV and also your house is on the record books at your county today primarily is about agents that operate within the confines of an enterprise.
That means they work internal to an enterprise.
And the way to think about it is they are like intranet websites.
It's like a website that works within your company.
So an agent that works within your company. So an agent that works within your company. Now, what we have built is actually an agent that can transcend the enterprise. That
is, it can go outside the enterprise and talk to other agents. It can go to amazon.com and shop for
you. It can go and make a restaurant reservation on open table that type of
an agent which is going beyond your enterprise or your uh you know internal home boundary it'll go
out and do things and in order for it to function it needs to have an identity and that identity
needs to be trusted and so for that to happen that identity has to
be registered somewhere and that's where the registry comes in and this is why I mentioned
project Nanda from MIT because it is about the internet of AI agents not intranet it's
internet of AI agents so so once you have the internet of AI agents, then you can have agents from, you know, different consumers talking to one another or different merchants talking to one another or different companies, like let's say a payer and a provider in healthcare space talking to one another.
So then you have the beginnings of what we call the agent economy.
Amazing.
That's great. Now, for everybody who is a domainer,
you should know that this whole area of digital twins is a huge market. Fortune Magazine projects
that it will be $25 billion. That's a B. And if you broaden the definition by 2032, twinning should be $259
billion. And that's because of how many industries use it. Automotive, transport,
healthcare is the fastest, having a digital twin for a nurse or for a doctor,
having a digital twin for a nurse or for a doctor, predictive maintenance. So it's going to be,
I think, a really big opportunity in the marketplace. So as you're looking at, you know,
kind of some of these really big areas, this is going to be one of those that we see
the digital twin space as being a big, interesting area as well.
So Ragu, I'm just curious, you know, since we last talked,
you guys had an agent with a wallet,
which you talked a little bit about,
and you talked about why identity mattered.
What has changed since April?
I mean, this space moves so fast.
What has changed since April, last mean, this space moves so fast. What has changed since April?
So last time we talked to you. Yeah, a lot has changed and we've made plenty of strides globally.
And so let me update you on what has happened since. So first of all,
first of all um so in the asian economy the centerpiece is the marketplace and uh and also
so everyone sort of participates in that marketplace um and the best analogy i can give you
is um you can give you amazon and i can give you youtube so if you look at youtube it's a kind of
economy of its own where where you have creators,
you have consumers and you have advertisers. And there's a, you know, money sort of moves around
those three entities in some way, shape or form. Consumers typically sometimes they don't pay,
but sometimes there are some paid activities within YouTube. The creators basically create
content and then the advert and the consumers
provide the eyeballs against that content which advertisers like to uh sort of uh purchase those
eyeballs and so they pay for it so so that's the sort of ecosystem that happens in YouTube in in
Amazon uh you have a marketplace where it's able to attract a lot of traffic in terms of consumers
and then there are sellers and sellers are sometimes amazon itself obviously but then
it also attracts third-party sellers and the advantage for these third-party sellers is
is that if you have a small sort of e-commerce shop it's very hard for you to attract traffic
to that shop you have to spend a lot of money on marketing and so on and you may not even be successful and so the the benefit of amazon
is that it says to the average seller that hey you know what you don't need to spend money on
marketing i have the traffic you just come in here set up your shop put your products up for sale
i will take care of the payments i will take care of uh the
returns i you know you just have to put up your product and we'll figure out the rest for you the
shipping everything else is taken care of and and and you have a system in place to to become
successful really quickly of course to get those benefits you have to give up something so there's
some fees paid amazon and so
on per sale and things like that now the same way in the agent economy um there are many things that
happen and and i'll describe some of the some of the things that we have done so first of all in
order to um increase the participation rate in all the four quadrants and the four quadrants again are consumer
enterprise creators and community so what we have done I'll go one by one so in the enterprise space
we have partnered with some large players such as Deloitte we have partnered with HP
and also a few other regional systems integrators and so on, who are providing
us with a sufficient amount of sort of traction and traffic and so on, such that the enterprise
space is growing and we are getting more and more customers in that space.
And also, there are a lot of advantages of the way we actually have built our tools that enables enterprises to rapidly develop and deploy agents.
And that's one aspect, but that's more of a drill down into why we are successful in
that particular area. Now, the second is in the consumer space, what we have done is we have started to partner with
cell phone carriers. So if you look at cell phone carriers, and I know that space value well because
one of my earlier startups, I sold to a company that dealt primarily with cell phone carriers.
And so if you look at cell phone carriers, they only worry about two metrics. One is called R2, which is average revenue for user.
And the second is the churn rate, which is losing your customer to your competitor in the same market.
So they are always worried about these two aspects.
Now, what we have done with cell phone carriers is we have gone to the dominant
or at least the interested player in a particular market and told them, well, you know, if you
have X million subscribers, now your subscribers can create their own twins and those twins
can also start transacting online just like the subscriber.
So in essence, your R2 just shot up and you actually have the equivalent
of double the number of subscribers without having to conquest them
from your competitors.
And so R2 goes up and your churn rate probably goes down because once you have
this capability and your other players in the same market don don't have this capability now you have a unfair advantage and that message really is resonating well with carriers
and so we signed up our first carrier which has got about three million subscribers and we are in
the middle of integration with them so that all of their user base can now create twins and so on so
that's uh that's how that particular segment is growing.
So everything that we do is actually B2B,
but there's a C component at the end of it.
So it's B2B to C.
The third quadrant is the creator quadrant,
which is kind of interesting.
So creators are the ones who,
just like in the YouTube economy,
they create the content and so on.
So in the Asian economy, they the content and so on so in
the in the asian economy they also create different types of content so they can create
agents that means fully built agents like a quickbooks agent or something like that
they could build models which is uh like foundation models that have been trained on
some data let's say a foundation model that knows Italian
cooking well or something like that. I'm just making it up. So then it can also be data sets.
That means the data that's fed into the model, they could be wanting to sell that. And then
they can also do some additional fun things like create digital wearables for your avatars to wear. You know, like you're
creating your own twin. You don't want your twin wearing the same digital clothing day
in, day out. So you want to have fun with it. So you can dress up your avatar with different
types of goods. And you'd be surprised. It looked like a very frivolous idea. But I think
Nike sold about $6 billion of digital wearables last year.
So what we are doing is we have, we just completed our brand extension product where we're going after 50 of the top brands who want to participate in digital wearables so that you, avatar could be wearing um an armani suit if
it wants to and you can purchase it from our marketplace so those are types of interesting
things that a creator can create and be able to sell those in the marketplace so that's the third
aspect the fourth one is the community aspect and And here there are ways to build that community.
Obviously, your traditional social media methods to build communities there.
But also one of the things that we are bringing to the fore is anyone with our wallet can start putting in data into their data backpack and if you take a step back and look at the
internet for the last 30 years um all of the companies who are making money and and we know
all the big players uh whether it be um you know google or apple or facebook and so on
um if if you look under the surface they are not really search companies, they're not really,
you know, app companies or phone companies. They're all at the end of the day, data companies,
they're selling data. And so that's how they make most of their money. So what we are looking
to do from a Web3 sort of perspective is your wallet if it contains your data now you
can monetize your own data and so if the community pool once we get these subscribers coming from
the cell phone carriers with millions of subscribers over a period of time there'll be a groundswell of
community members who can start to monetize their own data and and so enterprises can run
a campaign and say i want to know i want to conduct a trial for a new diabetes drug and i want to
select folks from the community who want to participate in such a trial and you can opt in
to say you know what i want to participate or I don't want to participate. So similarly, because when I was a CTO for automotive.com, all my customers, all the
major car companies, and they used to buy data from us and they could select what type
of profile they want and so on, what type of demographic and which part of the country
and things like that.
Same thing here, the people with a wallet
should be able to monetize so this this is the way in which we have sort of started to grow the four
segments that make up the Asian economy um and I think that that um that journey has really done
well uh we signed up uh in the creator side it. We signed up two very interesting companies.
One is the equivalent of a Spotify in Asia,
which serves about 800 million people called Navajo Entertainment.
We signed up eSports, a championship company
where basically they work with all the gaming companies.
They're able to
uh create an overlay on top of any game on uh on mobile on web on different platforms even the console platforms and you can challenge your friends or anyone for a match so you can play
a boxing game and say okay i think i can beat you and I wager 10 bucks and
also there's a watch party component to it where other people who are not even playing can come in
and wager on the two guys who are playing so we are providing the payment and the Asian technology
behind that platform in the in the entertainment one that i mentioned earlier the artists are able to tokenize their own
music tokenize their voice tokenize their likeness and things like that within the asian economy and and and and in the so these are ways in which we're really uh um building up a lot of attraction
in the asian economy where all the different parties are
participating. And now we are starting to see transactions come through. And that in and of
itself is supposed to be, from all accounts, about 100x of e-commerce over time. So these are early stages, but I think it looks very promising.
Wow, that's a lot.
Let's see, how do we break this down a little bit for people?
So you talked a lot about, you know,
some of the ways that you've got Web3 kind of working into AI.
You talked a lot about some of your customers like Spotify. Does Spotify use any
of the Web3 function or are they primarily focused on Web2?
So it's not Spotify. It's the Spotify likeness in Asia called Navo.
Ah, I see. I see.
So they do use the tokenization part is Web3. So it is Web3.
And so I think the blurring of Web2 and Web3 is seriously underway.
Because I think right now with the use of stable coins and so on,
even though we are supporting Web2 in our wallet and so on,
where you can do traditional payments through credit cards and so on. But I think more and more people are less concerned about the Web 2, Web 3 divide. It's becoming sort of like blurred. Yeah, I think that's very true in many ways,
I think that's very true in many ways, especially in the domain space for sure.
So, Raghu, I'm going to get back to kind of why most people probably are here listening to everybody today,
which is why did you decide that it was the right time to apply to ICANN?
I'm sure part of it's going to be this blending that you're seeing.
But why did you guys decide this is really important for .twin?
What was the logic? What was the reasoning?
Yeah. So again, what we wanted to do is if you look at the .twin on the Web3 wallet side of it,
it still only sort of like caters to those Web3 type natives.
only sort of like caters to those Web3 type natives.
And we wanted to sort of embrace the Web2 users
who are not so aware of wallets and other things
who might just want to come to a browser
and be able to resolve a URL to .twin.
So what we wanted to do was to, you know,
tear down that sort of divide, and the .twin on the TLD on Web2 made that possible.
So we wanted to go into the ICANN registry for that purpose.
And the future, what we believe will happen is our current entry point is through the wallet and we believe in the future
it will also be the browser and someone could go and type in uh or you know whatever uh john
door.twin and be able to get to their own uh digital twin or the twin might not be their own
digital twin it might be uh your device so over, we see all kinds of devices and other things also bearing the dot twin.
So for example, a lot of times I've had equipment or appliances fail and I can't find the book
for it or whatever to fix it.
I don't even know what model number and whatnot.
So in the future, we believe that even around the house,
this might be a very mundane example,
but a lot of equipment around your home or even your vehicles
and things like that would have dot twin addresses
that you can resolve to.
There might be some security things you can put in front of it
so that it cannot be accessed by anyone and everyone.
But ultimately, I think it's an easy way for all appliances in the world,
all vehicles in the world, all types of inanimate objects to be accessed.
And then you can look at how to fix it or how to configure it or whatnot.
So I think a lot of possibilities exist
because right now that whole system is somewhat broken.
Every appliance manufacturer, every car manufacturer,
everyone has their own little website
and it's kind of nebulous to get to these things.
I think all of that will go away
using a more standardized form of name resolution.
So, you know, I think here that the bottom line is this is a huge market.
You know, anywhere from $59 billion to $250 billion.
Everybody's doing it from a corporate side.
Everybody's doing it from a corporate side.
So you've got a lot of corporations doing this.
And as Raghu is chatting, you know, we also have a lot of need for kind of the individual focus, right?
Like Sandy.twin could be my digital twin as well.
So I think this is going to be an interesting potential ICANN as well.
potential ICANN as well. And I think that this ICANN compatibility will also be very important
for the work that a twin does. A twin kind of bridges Web 2 and Web 3. Raghu said up in the
front, you know, that this is really becoming, we really can't tell the difference. And that's what
this domain will do too, this TLD will do as well. It will bridge between the Web 2 world and the Web 3 world or the Web 3 and AI world,
however you want to talk about it. If you think about, Raghu, your broader, you know,
kind of the broader roadmap to connect agents with this Web 3 ecosystem. Talk a little bit about what your plans are for .twin.
Are you looking to have it integrated in certain places?
You know, what's kind of your power play for the .twin TLD itself?
Yeah.
So right now, the big play at hand is Asian commerce,
which is, if you look around all of the e-commerce site, the major players like Shopify, even Walmart have announced Asian commerce.
And so our goal is for our dot twin agents to participate in that.
And there's a little bit of distance between the cup and the lip.
There's a little bit of distance between the cup and the lip.
And so we are covering that last mile right now.
We are working on it such that an agent can traverse to a merchant site.
And I'm going to pause for a second to just explain what I'm talking about.
So when the internet first came about and people wanted to do payments on on internet sites it was a big hassle
and then along came paypal which simplified it for merchants by saying hey merchant you just plug in
this button this javascript on your website and automatically we will handle all the payment
screens and uh we'll we'll we'll process the payments and you'll get paid.
And that put an end to a lot of the complexity that is involved in handling payments for
merchants.
The same way, what we are starting to do is to create an Asian commerce plugin such that
all existing websites, which are mainly manual commerce.
So if you look at e-commerce as a whole, from, let's say, we use 1995 as a starting point to 2025, 30 years,
it's a very manual activity.
You have to go to the site, then you have to browse, then you have to put something into the cart,
then you have to check out, then you have to pay, and so on.
So all these steps
in the future i'm not saying e-commerce will go away e-commerce will exist for humans to still
shop and enjoy doing that but then there might be a number of times you just have repetitive things
that you want to do and order and things like that you can delegate it your your twin and it can go
and uh participate in e-commerce and handle that by
itself and that's what we call asian commerce so for for that to happen the agent should be able to
to communicate with that merchant site and then be able to add items uh to to check out to pay
and things like that.
So there's a number of building blocks needed.
Funds have to be transferred from the agent's wallet to the merchant's wallet,
and so on as well.
So there's a number of communication steps and payment steps
that would enable this interaction to happen.
So those are types of things that we're working on currently
so that the promise of agent commerce comes true.
And we're very close to completing that path.
So, I mean, it's kind of interesting here as well with dot twin and kind of how, you know, if you think about the future, you know, I want to dot twin on myself.
I know that tons of other people want dot twins of themselves and many people are creating them today.
So I think this is not only a potential business level domain, but also a personal domain as well.
I think the time is really right here for this concept and blending the two together.
I'm curious, is there anything new that someone who bought Dot Twin, let's say in April, when you launched, that they can do now that they couldn't have done in April?
So now we are about to release later this month our marketplace where a person who actually since April, what we have done is we have actually updated the wallet so that you can go in and create.
You can take a picture of yourself and create a twin that looks like you and so on.
So that much is already ready. Now the next step is you can
do a few things. The twin is now
associated with the marketplace. So you can
purchase items on the marketplace and plug it into the twin.
So for example example if your twin
does not know how to do e-commerce shopping you can plug in that skill into the twin's brain so
to speak and if the if let's say that you were visiting portugal and did not know how to speak
in portuguese and there is a skill for translation in from english to portuguese you can
plug that into your twin such that if you if you speak to your twin in english it can speak to the
vendor the taxi driver or whatnot in portuguese so those types of things those skill purchasing of
skills is uh we're going to be releasing soon that's number one number two is
the purchasing of digital wearables so your twin itself like i said especially for the younger
crowd i know they they will enjoy this where the twin itself could be wearing different types of
clothing and other things and and so on so it it will look stylish it will not just be in in the
you know your usual uh the the current one
that we have out there just wears a pair of whatever clothing that you are wearing on when
you took the photo that's what it's wearing right now it doesn't need to be wearing that all the
time it can be doing different types of uh looks and so on so those are types of things we are
adding into the marketplace such that the twin can start to have skills and also start to feel more fun to play with, to interact with.
Those are coming up very soon in the next few weeks.
Wow, that's really cool.
I really like that, having an agent who can dress themselves too. I don't know if Astrid is on, but she's got an agent called
McCoo and McCoo does many, many, many cool things. And, um, primarily she's a fashion agent. So that,
that's, would be a really cool thing for her. I'll have to chat with her about that one as well.
Um, so if you think about, you know, from a technology perspective, let's say that, you know, we apply to ICANN and you, we are successful in that.
What do you think the immediate next step is for Dot Twin following the announcement?
And how do you want all the users on this call?
We've got lots of great whales out here, some of our partners out here.
What do you want them to do like the very next thing?
So obviously, we want as many people to start thinking of using those twin names in their businesses or for personal use.
I think there are a lot of business use cases that can come about.
And the name would be a very easy resolution
for solving a number of problems,
everything from addressability of IoT devices
to addressing your own digital twin
like what we've been talking about.
So I think that's the primary focus to get the word out
because ultimately, if you look at the,
the registry of agents is a very important concept.
So let me just touch on that
because this dot twin makes it easier.
So let's say that you have a lot of agents which are now traversing the Internet of, you know, the wide open Internet.
And some are talking to other agents, some are talking to websites and so on.
So there are different protocols that are used for that. So talking to websites, pretty much the protocol that everyone starts starting to use is MCP and talking to other agents. There's A to A, which is agent to agent protocol. Now, the next thing that's going to happen is you need to have identity and trust. And so this identity and trust is important because you don't want to be talking to
a bad actor and get, you know, swindled out of money or, you know, you have a phishing attack
or some other problem. So to prevent all of that, we have this concept of a registry. And so we want
people to register their agents on our registry it's free to register and and ultimately um
when you have your agents on a registry it helps for discoverability which is going to be a big
problem because how do you authenticate that this particular agent is is a good guy or a bad guy so
the only way is to ensure that it's on a registry and and
we don't let anyone and everyone just register on a registry we go through a process called kyA
which is know your agent similar to you know you see the blue check mark in uh in it's a verified
profile same way verified agent so once you have a verified agent you can say for sure that okay
this is a good good person and and not so now the next thing that comes immediately after that is
okay the agent is it's got id it's on a registry but then the agent's id is this kind of long
name we need to have that for uh transact purposes, for moving money and things like that,
because that's the same as the wallet address.
So how do we make that shorter, right?
And so the shortened version is the .twin name,
which now makes the addressability,
address resolution much more simpler.
So now you know that joe.twin is is talking to Mary.twin, things like that.
So all of these things are like layers which are stacked one on top of the other, similar
to how IP address and DNS and all those got stacked up so that you have an ecosystem that
is functional, easy for average people to use and not the domain of just people
who are technically savvy and things like that.
It has to be easy for anyone and everyone to come and use and transact.
And so these are the building blocks that we have built.
So these are the building blocks that we have built.
And we want to have, coming back to your point,
we want everyone to adopt it, use it,
and start benefiting from these building blocks.
That's awesome.
There's so much potential here.
And I was just thinking, you know,
about the marketplace you keep talking about. You know, today we have the Apple store, right?
And everybody goes out to the Apple store to buy their apps. And, you know, what Raghu's talking
about is pretty soon there'll be a marketplace or an agent store, if you would, and everybody
could go out and pick out their own agent or their own twin for example which i think could be very powerful we're coming to the end of our our twitter space
so i do want to open it up for anyone to ask a question you guys know the rules uh if you
ask me a question the first three get a free dot twin which is now of course going to
dot twin, which is now, of course, going to apply and it tends to apply to go to ICANN.
If you have just joined us, we're speaking to the CEO and founder, Raghu, of Center Genetics,
which is all about AI agents. They have an AI commerce and a whole flywheel of agents that are basically digital twins.
I'm Cindy Carter.
I'm the CBO for Unstoppable.
So if you guys have a question, then raise your hand.
Now is the time.
I'll give you guys just a few minutes to think about your question
to win a free dot twin as we kind of wrap up today.
While we're doing that, while we're waiting for some questions, Raghu,
what is, you know, is there one question that you wish I had asked you that I didn't ask you?
I'm trying to think.
Right now, nothing comes to mind.
Yeah, nothing comes to mind by this second.
Okay.
Okay.
Any questions in the audience?
Okay.
Idris, I knew I could count on you for a question.
Let's get you up here.
And let's go for it.
Sorry, my puppy is barking.
Hopefully you guys can't hear that.
Okay.
Idris, I think, can you speak now?
Oops, no.
I let him up there.
Let's try it one more time.
Let's see if he can connect.
I can. Thank you.
You have been given us so far. As somebody who is new to the agentic space, and I have the twin,
so what is the lowest hanging fruit for me to start playing with agents? How can I just spin
up something and start, you know, maybe interfacing with my agent before even thinking about having
my agent interfacing with the world? Thank you. Yeah, so to to make it simple what we've done is you can go to
the android or iphone ios store app store and download a wallet and the wallet is your sort of
vortex or your entry point into this uh into this agent ecosystem and Once you get the wallet,
you can set up your own twin,
and it'll ask you to take a picture and things like that.
Your twin will look like you and it'll also talk like you.
In fact, it can talk in 100 languages,
even though you might know a handful,
it will talk in many more languages.
It'll have your voice and things like that and the next thing
that we have not released yet which is coming up very soon is uh like i said earlier we'll be able
to add skills to your agent so that the agent can go off and perform certain tasks so right now just
we can only create the agent but we have not given it the ability to take some action
on your behalf and that's coming soon where it can go off and transact or you know let's say
it might perform e-commerce or it can go do some booking for for travel reservations or
restaurant reservations or other types of things it could do language translation
for you and so on so those skills uh will be available in the marketplace and once the
marketplace is launched you will be able to add those skills to your agent so for the creators of
that mark creators who have created those skills they would monetize by selling those skills
at a particular price, just like your app store.
So just when you buy an app,
I hear you buy a skill and someone may charge you a dollar
or two or whatnot, some subscription,
so that your twin can have that skill
and perform certain tasks on your behalf autonomously and that's how you would
participate in the Asian economy address. So is there a rollout for this wallet that you're
talking about on Android too or is that something that will come out in the nearest future? You said to go to the App Store.
Yeah, App Store and Android Store, Google Play Store.
Both Apple and Android are out there right now.
Oh, thank you. Thank you very much.
And Idris, I would just add in too.
So I'm not as technical as Raghu.
So what I did, my first agent that I built, I built for my book.
Very, very simple.
I just trained the agent on the content of what was in my book because I knew my book was, you know, it published nine months ago and AI moves so fast.
So everybody who bought a copy of my book, AI First, Human Always, got an AI agent with it.
who bought a copy of my book, AI First, Human Always got an AI agent with it. And so that kind
of led me in to my first agent, very simple, single task, you know, create an agent who can
answer questions about my book. I later added in training on my Forbes articles and my research
that I do for, you know, Davos and the digital economist. And so that's how I started was with that agent.
My second agent was again, very simple.
Ragu's probably laughing, but very simple,
but it taught me a lot.
I created an agent that would take
all of my WhatsApp messages
because you guys know I get,
I work with hundreds and hundreds of partners
and they're all either telegramming me, WhatsAppping signaling me, it was just hard to keep up. So I just took one,
I said, take all my WhatsApp messages, find out if anybody's asking for a meeting with me.
And then so the agent had to integrate with WhatsApp and read my messages. And then I had the agent linked into the API of my calendar. And it would
calendar meetings for me, it does this today. So it reads my WhatsApp messages, if there's a request
for a meeting, it says, Hey, Sandy, you know, I just wants to meet with you Sunday at 1pm. Is that
okay or not? And that taught me a lot more, because now I'm not just having an agent that's by itself,
just being trained on my book. Now I've got an agent that has to integrate with WhatsApp and
with Google Calendar. And I could go on, but that's kind of how my learning journey went,
not being as technical and as wicked smart as Raghu, but that helped me kind of get hands-on,
understand the concepts and the power that's going to exist there.
So I'll add to that really, really cool example Sandy gave.
So if you were a creator, like when you first asked the question, I considered you a consumer.
But let's say that you are a creator.
And so like Sandy created a couple of agents. So if you are a creator and so like sandy sandy created a couple of agents so if
you are a creator you can come into the asian ecosystem so we have four tools one is called
lang train so you can take let's say whatsapp messages or uh you know the forbes articles Forbes articles, things like that. Those are the corpus of content that you would select a LLM from our tool.
We work with most of the LLMs that are out there.
You can pick whichever one you want, and you can add that content
and fine-tune that model for your agent to use.
So the agent is a layer on top of the foundation model.
So you can train the foundation model with your content
so that it knows everything about what you want.
And then we have a tool called LangTest,
which makes sure that the information coming out of the agent
is out of the model is accurate.
And once all of that is done, then you go to a tool called agent flow that we have,
which you can start to do what we call orchestration.
That is stitch your agent to the LLN.
And, you know, this orchestration can get very complex,
but simply put, it could be just
the agent connected to the lm that you just trained and you can choose whether you want a
voice agent a chat agent or an avatar agent so the avatar agent would look like a person and so on you
can upload your own picture and look like you and then ultimately um and then after that, you, there's a tool called Agent VM, which you use to deploy that agent.
It can be deployed to any cloud, AWS, Azure, GCP, and so on.
And so that would be from a creator standpoint, how you would go about creating an agent.
And you don't need to be technical at all.
It's just point and click. And, um,
I think the learning curve is about 30 minutes. That's about it.
Yeah. That's great. Yeah. I have to try that.
I have to try that. Thank you very much. Thank you. Okay. Uh, Johan,
I keep trying to accept you, uh, Greg, maybe you're gonna have to help me here.
I keep, can you speak now, Johan?
It looks like he's connecting. And I just, you know, the drill, just if you DM unstoppable main account, then we will, and request a dot twin, we'll provide you with a dot twin.
So Greg, I don't know if it's me or if it's joan but i keep trying to
get him up here but for some reason i can't oh no no he now disappeared right do you see him greg
yeah i lost him too as soon as you lost him too okay You lost him too. Okay.
Okay, maybe he'll try again.
Okay, any other questions before we get closed up?
Oh, there he is.
Johan, request one more time.
I'm going to have Greg try to accept you this time instead of me.
Greg, can you try it as the host?
Let's see if that works.
Sorry, guys.
I want to give him a shot to ask a question.
Ah, there we go. Okay. Johan, you're up. Thank you.
You're on mute now, though. You are a speaker, however.
At least I see him as a speaker. Do you guys see him as a speaker, Raghu, Greg?
I see one speaker next to me.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Johan, can you say anything or no?
You have problems with your internet right now.
Okay.
Well, while we are waiting to see if you can come off of mute, Raghu, why don't you close this out with like one or two things? Remember that you've got a domain or audience here. So they're interested in the power of .twin. Could you close this out you and I'm going to date myself, if you had a
time machine and you went back to 1995 and and this is the advent of the internet and you
did not understand how big it was going to be, all of us sort of like, you know, sort of muddled
through our way. And then today today if you look at some of the
even the sub markets within the internet like e-commerce and so on are trillion dollar markets
and new businesses that started from zero or today sort of became the max seven out of nowhere and
so the same sort of opportunity exists both uh for anyone starting a business
wanting to participate in the asian economy the same sort of opportunity exists again today and
these opportunities don't come every day and um and so i would say that you know people should be
very excited that now we are entering a new phase where you can start to monetize a lot of things.
The rules of the game has changed. There's a brand new opportunity, brand new businesses,
and as a company that provides tools to enable others to participate and monetize,
we are very excited. So we want as many participants to join us in this journey
because I think, you know, next 10, 15 years, 20 years,
it's going to be as big as the first,
we are almost 30 years into the internet.
So if you look, you know, even 30 years forward,
that's how big this opportunity is.
And don't miss it.
Get going here.
That's what I would encourage everyone to do.
I think that's great.
So, you know, summarizing what Ragu has told you today, this is a big opportunity, 59 billion to 200 billion, somewhere in that range.
in that range, big, big, big, to dot twin or digital twinning is really valuable because it
Big, big, big.
not only touches agents, but it also has a big business with industries like healthcare,
construction, manufacturing, huge opportunity there. And then finally, you know, the platform,
you heard all the great references and everything, because ICANN looks at the company
that's behind the TLD2. You know, he's building this space, and it's got really strong companies
behind him that are using and leveraging what he's doing. So thank you all for being here and for
listening today. I see Johan has requested again one more time, Greg, can you just try him one more time
while I'm trying to close out and we'll, we'll give him one more shot to ask a question. Cause
I always love his questions. Um, and I do think that this could be a really interesting, uh,
TLD as well. So if Johan can make it on, we'll let him ask your last question. Otherwise I will
say happy holidays, Merry Christmas, whatever you celebrate.
If I don't chat with you again,
hopefully you have the very, very best of everything.
Don't forget to finish your Christmas shopping,
Hanukkah shopping, festival shopping,
everything that's out there.
I love working with you guys
and I'm very thankful in this time of the year
for each and every one of you guys.
Thank you so much.
It looks like you can't make it up.
Raghu, thank you for your partnership and thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Johan, since you've been having such a tough, tough time, if you DM me a question, I will still let you have a dot twin as well.
So just DM it to me, you know, Sandy underscore Carter, we can go from there.
Okay, guys, thank you so much. Thanks for joining. Appreciate it. Thank you.
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