If you invite Sental, getting regular Merrick out there and Aaron up here.
Test, test, microphone test.
The last son of Krypton is also one of our speakers.
I got an invite from him just a second ago.
Yeah, we just lost him. Oh, and Barak is one of our speakers.
Hello, can anybody hear me? Yes, we can hear you, sir.
All right. I think we have all the speakers here.
These things like never start on time.
I usually give people a minute or two to join up.
Hey, thanks for everyone who's showing up on time.
We'll just get started in one more minute.
Okay. Okay, then I guess we'll begin.
So, yeah, I'd like to welcome everyone to the DSY open mic by BanklessDAO.
I'm your co-host, regular Merrick.
Just, you know, maybe just a way of quick introduction of myself.
Some of you might know me as like a DFI guy.
I've, you know, currently building Cascade Finance.
I'm an advisor at Synonym Finance.
But, you know, I actually, before I was regular Merrick,
I used to be professor Merrick.
I used to actually teach data science.
Feels like a lifetime ago back in Toronto, Canada.
And, you know, became the builder in Web3.
Probably my biggest connection to DSY currently is Poseidon Protocol,
which is a liquid staking layer for Ocean Protocol,
which is a data marketplace where organizations,
including DSY organizations,
can go to monetize their data and trained or refined models.
And I'd also like to turn it over to my co-host, Aaron.
Welcome to the first DSY Mic Twitter space and podcast.
We're really excited to have this conversation today on Web3 and Science,
which is at the perfect intersection of my background,
originally in neuroscience and then got into tech
and how we can use emerging technologies like blockchain infrastructure
to really advance important spaces such as science.
And looking through a lot of the attendees so far,
it seems like we have a lot of alignment in that interest and vision
for what that future of science can look like when it's united
and connected to the possibilities in Web3.
So we're really excited to dive into this conversation
and explore what that can look like from each of our own perspectives
and what we're working on.
And we're joined by the last son of Krypton,
and we did have Barad from Muse Matrix on a moment ago,
but Twitter spaces are sort of notoriously buggy,
so I think we lost him and hopefully he'll be back with us in a moment.
But last son of Krypton, do you want to tell us a bit about yourself
and your connection or interest in Desai?
My name, my real name is Daniel Onofime.
I work as a contributor at VitaDAO,
and I'm also the founder of Desai Africa.
So yes, so what does Desai...
I sort of stumbled on Desai through Twitter rabbit hole,
so I was doing some searches on Twitter results,
and then I saw a post that was like,
oh, we are looking for community members to join this community
That was like a VitaDAO-related post.
And so I was like, oh, Desai July Science,
I've never heard what Desai July Science is all about.
I think it was in 2001, 2002.
Yeah, probably about the year, correctly.
But yes, so I jumped into the rabbit hole,
and I was like, okay, let me see what it's all about.
And so far, I've been in the space.
It's been interesting, you know.
I'm seeing different and new projects come up,
different projects making impact on different sectors,
targeting each problems that they face.
So yes, it's been a beautiful journey in this space,
Sorry if I'm saying your name wrong.
Nobody ever gets my name right in my defense.
So do you want to tell us a little bit about yourself
and your connection with Desai?
Everyone always pronounces it differently.
How about everyone can hear me okay?
I had some technical issues at the beginning,
but it seems to be solved.
I'm out here in Honduras, and the weather's not great.
It's pouring in town, so I think maybe that's why
the internet wasn't working properly.
Yeah, I've been in the Desai space for about two years now.
I first came across it, Eat Denver, before the livestream,
and then my first IRL experience was in Berlin.
I think it was in May 2022,
and since then I've been pretty much all in on Desai.
monthly meetups, events, conferences, et cetera,
and then I've been working in Desai at various projects,
a number of different hours.
My background is on the science side.
I used to be a doctor, then I quit that,
spent some time in academia, and academia was even worse.
So I left that for some of the reasons
that Desai is trying to solve.
I was just reacting to your dig against academia,
which I'm sure a lot of folks
were going to probably echo tonight.
this is sort of like the first Desai mic, right?
So maybe we have some people joining us that, you know,
are sort of maybe hearing about this for the first time.
So before we like, you know, dig into the meat of it
and kind of, you know, dive deep, you know,
I mean, you know, Desai is a relatively new idea, right?
So we'd love to hear everyone's thoughts about,
like, you know, what does Desai mean to you,
you know, in the wider crypto space, you know,
like new terminologies are invented all the time, right?
So like, I think it's good that we sort of, you know,
And maybe you can also comment on, like, why it's important,
Well, let's start with the last son of Krypton.
Okay, so what does Desai mean to me?
I think for me, Desai means opponents.
Desai means collaboration.
So I've been someone who, you know,
I grew up reading a lot of articles on Wikipedia.
So I did not have access to comic books,
especially physical copies.
And I ended up, like, learning about my favorite characters
through Wikipedia pages of them.
And then what is Wikipedia?
Wikipedia is a knowledge base that is made up of different people,
you know, different people contributing, you know,
And there's this large data set that, you know,
everybody's free to come and learn from.
And it's greatly improved my knowledge.
And I didn't use it for just comic books.
I used it for a lot of things, a lot of research while growing up.
And I believe that knowledge should be shared.
The only way we can make huge advancements in science
is when we share more knowledge.
So we have this issue where, recently,
despite the, you know, advancements in tech,
We, you know, have speed up.
The Internet is much faster.
Everything is much better than it was 20, 30 years ago.
And yet there's still no huge break out in science,
necessarily, in terms of biological science.
There's really no new drug that is doing something very good.
We still haven't found the cure for cancer.
There are still lots of problems plaguing us.
So for me, I feel this AI is a way to, you know,
it's more like a social movement to help foster collaboration.
You know, people of different fields are able to work together
and share knowledge together.
We would definitely get faster results.
Thanks for those insights.
You know, what's your definition of DSCI and why is it important?
Hopefully we didn't lose them again.
Is it me? Is it my connection?
It looks like he might have just fallen off again.
The rains in Honduras are to blame.
I actually, you know, on that point,
so maybe just to fill the air for a second,
you know, I actually met, you know,
back in an internet conference, web conference,
like the World Wide Web Conference in Paris,
I actually met some representatives from Wikipedia.
And at the time, there was like a crypto-incentivized,
like tokenized Wikipedia.
The name of that project will lose me.
Maybe someone can think of it.
I think it was like crypto-pedia or something like this.
And I actually talked to Wikipedia and I said, you know,
what do you think about this?
What do you think about adding crypto incentives?
And I expected Wikipedia to say it was like, you know,
But they actually said, you know,
that actually has a lot of great value because, you know,
the guy from Wikipedia said, or I guess it was Wikipedia,
I'm not sure, but he said that, you know,
there's a lot of contributors in the, you know,
like developing economies that, you know,
even receiving like a few bucks in crypto,
like let's say a day or per edit or whatever,
can incentivize individuals in those developing economies
to translate Wikipedia into their native language articles.
He actually said that was a tremendous value.
And like, so, you know, Wikipedia itself, I wonder,
it's sort of, it actually sort of is a prototypical doubt.
Interesting to think about it.
So I don't know if you heard my question.
Hopefully you can go off mute this time.
I was asking, you know, what does D-Sci mean to you
I think what it means to me is that there's reasonable evidence
that you can say science as a structure is broken,
namely that it's become less disruptive
and you've got a mass exodus of young academics.
And especially the second one come across so many people
that have done a science degree,
but then working in something completely unrelated,
even though their passion is probably the science.
So for me, it's important because the actual structure overall
isn't working as best as it should.
And it probably needs a bit of an update,
probably needs to integrate some of the new technical developments
that we've had, namely the Web3,
Lego block toolings that allow us to reimagine
and restructure the system.
So I think it's important because it's pretty much needed,
especially with things that, you know,
how the funding allocation works,
going to the same old boring topics
and nothing to anything exciting, moonshot or disruptivity,
as well as IP ownership and publishing,
which I know is the vein of pretty much every single academic
Yeah, it sounds good. I hear you 200%.
You know, science has, you know,
increasingly become like super politicized, right?
And, you know, also two people talk about, you know,
the scientific method, right? They learn it in high school.
You know, they talk about observations,
hypothesis based on those other observations,
then testing those observations,
sorry, testing those hypotheses using experiments.
But in reality, if, you know,
step zero is actually money, right, in reality,
at least in like, you know, academia and, you know,
in industry, certainly. So, yeah, I hear you.
Aaron, I think you had some interesting questions for everyone too.
Yeah, as we're kind of talking about this conversation,
that incentive alignment piece and just courting people
is really such an essential part to what this future of science
this future of DSci can really look like.
And I would love for you to dive into kind of what you're building
out now and to address some of these different challenges,
whether it's from an infrastructure side or coordination across
different groups and explore what a better kind of future
in building, addressing some of these challenges might look like.
Sure. I'll take one kind of step back previous to this,
and I think one of the cool things about DSci when I speak
to any of the scientists is they love the community aspect,
and that's something that isn't very apparent in traditional science.
Often, so I run DSci London, we do monthly meetups,
and often we've got a bunch of scientists that are working
on a very, very similar topic, okay, very next to each other,
for example, UCL and Kings or something,
but they are not aware of each other,
not aware of the people working on some of the things.
Just that aspect of Web3, I think, is very important,
and Web3 has always been community first.
So I think that's a really cool thing that you can build a community
and then you can figure out what's the best way to harness this community.
And if a thesis is correct that DSci is going to be one of the ways
that the structure of science has improved,
one of the things that we're massively missing out on is spaces
where scientists are overlapping and interacting with Web3 developers.
A meetup isn't enough. It's just for a few hours.
A conference isn't enough. Again, it's just a couple of days.
And to really get core tooling, core infrastructure built,
this takes a lot of time.
It's not like some of these DeFi staking platforms
you could probably hack together on a weekend.
You need fairly considerable time between both experts
on the science side and the Web3 side.
And that's one of the biggest things, that these two groups
rarely hang out for prolonged periods of time.
So that's the first thing that I wanted to solve.
And I thought it made sense.
The way to do this would be having a structured program
where we bring together a bunch of scientists
and a bunch of Web3 developers
and have them meet and have peer-to-peer learning.
The science people can teach the science side to the Web3 people
And a lot of the times when we do get Web3 developers
either coming to our meetups or when I meet them
in conferences and things, they're very keen to help science.
And I think it's something that appeals to them
compared to the other work that may be available.
But the issue from that point of view,
it's very hard to work out exactly how they can contribute.
There's no kind of place where you can just go and say,
okay, we need this fixed, or can someone help integrate this?
So that's the other element that we would like this fellowship
to have a component of where it's built in public
and make it very easy, very narrow prompts
for any developers to get involved.
In terms of kind of some of that outreach into different groups,
are there specific types of developers that you think,
or skill sets that you think are really essential
to building out useful infrastructure
and tooling within DSci and the scientific domain?
And this can be opened up to other folks as well
just in terms of what might be useful to be built out.
Yes, so in terms of the skill sets that are required,
I think it's fairly open.
Anything from your traditional smart contract developer
to anything a bit more wonderful with the ZK stuff,
But I think also we need people for the communication side,
we need people from the design, product, project management side.
That's the other super cool thing about DSci.
I think there are roles for everyone,
even if they're not necessarily a technical developer
or a scientist, there's still things that are able to contribute to a project.
You touched a little bit on the importance of community.
I would love to explore that IRL,
URL, virtual versus in-person connectivity
and what you're seeing across being virtually connected
while building out some of these solutions versus in-person
and what the future of those connections can look like
and maybe tying in some of the experiences at Vitalia as well.
I might not exactly be happy to hear me say this,
but I think that these online communities are not really communities.
I think very few actually are.
I think a community is formed when you spend time doing stuff
Certainly some cases where it's very mission driven
maybe you can call it a community.
I think especially kind of two years ago when we saw the web through Peake,
people were claiming that communities online there
were just people farming for whitelists and engagement farming
because they thought they would get air dropped, etc.
When talking about bus, the community was pretty much non-existent.
I think it's very, very difficult to build a community online.
Some have definitely achieved everything.
Vitalia is a very core one, very mission orientated.
I think making it in an IRL space is a lot easier.
That's why when I started it, I thought, okay,
let's just do something that we meet physically
even if it's for a couple of hours.
I think that's a lot more important and allows a lot more of a deeper connection.
I think expanding on that way, you can have a space
where you're together for a prolonged period of time
such as six months, which is the length of the fellowship.
I think it allows for a lot more opportunities for people to have
to cross-pollinate ideas to share what they're working on
and in a way where it's been more relaxed and organic and serendipitous.
I'm here in Vitalia right now and we've got about 200 people
and a bunch of different backgrounds,
only they were from biotech to network states to hardcore web3
I'm just curious about what's happening here.
Space is the most important thing, the physical space,
because it allows you to have breakout sessions,
allows you to have one-on-one talks with people.
You randomly come across people when you're going to have lunch.
I think it's all these that mean, A, form the community
because you spent time doing so with someone,
but more importantly, you get this transfer of ideas
and sharing what people are working on
in a way that is much more seamless.
The overbonded builds between the people is,
I think, deeper than doing online.
One of the things we want to test is this exact hypothesis.
For the fellowship, we're going to have two teams,
one completely IRL-based in London and then one online-based.
Our thesis is that the IRL team will do better
for the reasons I've mentioned, but it may not be true.
We will test it to see what the results are.
That question is definitely one I'm super interested to explore,
especially as the world moves further and further
into a decentralized work environment.
Translating, what does that look like within a scientific conversation?
Are there different needs that might pop up
when people are in a more remote or distributed kind of working environment?
I'm personally super curious on that topic.
If anyone listening in is also curious about that
or anything else we've talked about so far,
definitely take a look through some of the amazing people in the audience.
I know they have lots of cool thoughts and perspectives
on all of these topics, too.
While we've been talking, yeah, Merrick, you want to have them?
I was going to say, when I introduced the Twitter space here,
I think that that's generally the vibe we want to get across here.
Maybe folks that are interested in speaking,
I don't know what the function is, you can request the mic.
Maybe while people do that,
I would love to hear from the last son of Krypton,
As Bart mentioned, there's a certain different kind of vibe.
You have people working together, doing something,
In my experience, I've loved building communities.
I've been building communities for over five years,
I've built communities around interests like anime, comics and all on.
I found myself in the Disarabe too.
I'm currently building communities in the Disarabe space.
Something I want to have understood is that
we could have events, we could have conferences,
But what is more last thing is when you spend is a more like a not a limited number of time
So like conferences happen for at most, let's say one week, we have a one week conference
with different activities happening.
Most conferences are one days, two days, but I feel the future of how things will be more.
So hacker houses are cool.
I've read a lot and I've seen a lot of cool projects come out of, you know, hacker houses
where there are a group of designers, project managers, developers, you know, they are looking
into, they are staying in someplace, they are working on solutions, they are brainstorming,
they are building things.
I think that's also a good way we could bring out Desai tooling.
And that's also why I'm excited about the news metrics fellowship, because it's going
to be like, aside of being virtual, it's going to still be a part of it that is in person.
So we have different groups working on innovative ideas, and we could sort of build out the
framework for the future of Desai.
So hacker houses are good stuff.
Recently, I wasn't able to be at Zuzalu and yeah, and when they've connected because of
It's really a serious problem for people staying from the side of the globe in Africa to come
for these conferences due to this problem.
But currently there's a project being made, Zwa Freak Africa, by IIHQ.
I think they are planning to host a sort of like a hacker house in Ghana.
And they currently have the project on the Zzalu round on kids coin.
So these like me making a call for people to, you know, donate to the project.
I mean, if I'm allowed to, but I feel like it's a good place where we could still have
people from this side, think around and build solutions to help this side.
So in person meetups and in person building, it's very, it's a very good thing.
And you know, come brainstorm, still meet virtually and you know, collaborate in different
And I also feel the regional communities are also important because, you know, we have
this, this island doing what they do.
There's Desai India and there's Desai Asia.
You know, these regional communities are trying their best to spread the word of Desai and
let people in this place know that, oh, this is what the centralised science is all about.
This is how they can participate.
This is how they can contribute to it.
So it's all these works, all these things these projects are doing, they're quite very
important and it's good for, you know, the ecosystem at large, but sometimes people reach
out and they are like, oh, what's Desai?
And most times I send them articles from Desai Africa, telling them, okay, this is an article
that could help you get big for what is all about.
And these are potential projects you can look into based on what your interests are.
You know, there's Desai Lab building, open tooling in terms of funding.
There's VITADOW, even longevity funding, there's Matina Dow, you know, the other like in publishing
to the other, the other few projects building in different, different missions in the community.
So it's, it's a good thing to have these different projects working together and as always, it's
always good for each and every one of them to collaborate because the whole idea is that
the knowledge should be open and it should be accessible as it should be, thank you.
As we're kind of thinking about what this looks like in a global scale, Desai Asia would
love to have you share your, share some thoughts from your perspective and just what you're
seeing within Desai efforts in Asia.
Thank you, Rin and thank you, Ben, to host this wonderful space.
And I agree with that in we were meeting and hackathon and different kinds of face to face
interaction is important for the social networking.
And of course, I would more to think the virtual or the space would be another kind
of a networking in between with building the community together.
For example, we host different kinds of space in between with Asian project, including for
example, we can have a Singapore and Taiwan together in one meeting.
And we may have another scientific sharing on Zoom or Google meeting with with India
and Korean project together.
And that's in that it may take a lot of course of times when when making such things in in
But on the other hand, it we just have some credit or communication within Telegram group
and we can make a meeting to connect with each other, especially in Asian pets that
these are Asia is design is still developing and not much there are not a lot of scientific
or research knowing about blockchain and knowing about decentralized science at this moment.
So therefore there may be a few or maybe some core members in within several cities.
So networking in a virtual will be important.
And of course, this is maybe the first step and and for example, when when we contact
with design India and we have some several core meeting with decentralized friends from
India from different kinds of cities before and then we saw that they set up a Telegram
group and then we saw there will be a real world four days meeting happening on coming
March host by DeSai Kolkata, which is you will see their Twitter accounts in this space
And you can you can follow their Twitter and you will see there will be a full agenda of
in real world meeting in the coming March.
So I would say it would be a step by step to to develop the community and combined
with in real world meeting and also different kinds of methods, for example, space or sample
Telegram groups or for example, soon or other truth.
It's such a balance kind of being able to take into account different global needs that
differ in different areas as well as being able to connect people in real life and still
create that level of of deep connection that can allow for amazing things to kind of blossom
Lindyal, I believe you're up next.
We'd love to hear a bit from your experience coming into this space.
We've known each other for a little while now and also maybe some applications into
domains that might be harder to explore from a scientific perspective and the work you're
I know he's in Honduras right now as well, so might be having some some internet issues
Manjal, if you can hear, we'll try popping back to you a little bit later.
In the meantime, Maria, the work you're doing with the Decide Journal and Decider is really
kind of an essential component to this whole conversation of what decentralized science
can look like and what some of that infrastructure that is needed.
And you were also here at Vitalia for a bit as well.
We'd love to hear from your perspective on this conversation.
It's very nice to see a lot of friends here.
Barrett, yourself, Danielle, Tristan, Ivo, Eva, Ed, I hope you guys are doing well.
Yes, it was a wonderful time.
I stayed with you in Vitalia last January, the whole 30 days.
Amazing, amazing experience.
I am truly excited to see this experimentation on virtual and presence that you want to run
So far, I have seen that it's been a wonderful online experience for me.
I am calling you today from Rio de Janeiro in Brazil.
Being in real life at all the Decide Meetups are a challenge for me because of travel
Barrett has tried a few times for me to go to London.
And nonetheless, we have been able to strength our links very much, even being online.
We participate in each other events when we do Decide events here in Brazil.
I knew Erin before I met her in person.
It was like we are friends for a long time.
So it's a I don't know, it's just because we are in the beginning and we are trying
to change the status quo.
We are very strong tied together as a community, even online.
So it's going to be a very nice experiment to see how it's going to the outcomes are
Right now, I'm a leader at the Decide community and we are structuring the Decide
It's an alternative for giving the copyright back to us scientists.
I've been on sciences for four decades, 40 years, working on mosquitoes, a lot of
mosquitoes here in Brazil to search.
So and everywhere in the world, even in Honduras, we had these biting mages, very
So what I want to tell you is that our platform is open for all the community.
OK, maybe I guess there's heavy, maybe heavy rains in Rio as well.
Does someone else want to take a crack until Maria is able to come back with us?
People pitching right now.
OK, I've been promoting science slash crypto for a while.
I've started a community called the Research Collective, which was kind of an attempt to do
outreach to biohackers and citizen scientists who I think are perhaps very well served by
And I suppose I'd like to just spend a little bit of time talking about beyond just the
funding of new places or things that would perhaps not typically get funding.
I think we're starting to see that.
We also need to think about how do we legitimize treatments and then how do we distribute them?
And I think that is kind of the later stages of decentralized science blossoming.
But if we can get all of these pieces, the funding, the legitimizing and the distribution
going, then we actually have an entire pathway for treatments to get to people that sidesteps
all of the regulation, all of the bureaucracy, and could potentially really empower people
to take a more active role in their health care.
So lately, I've been thinking about just how do we help these Decide DAOs be able to start
And that's part of the reason why I'm in Prospera.
I've been helping companies do their first in-human testing here.
But I'm excited long term about things like Decide Labs being a way of collecting data
from many different sources about a new treatment or perhaps one that's patents expired or one
that's being used off label and then being able to start collecting data from verified
consumers that is aggregated and allows people to decide if they should pursue this or not,
rather than this kind of like huge dichotomy of pass or fail from the FDA after millions
So yeah, I'll hand it off.
Munjal or Lucid State, it seems like you might have speaking capabilities now.
Would love to have you pop in, maybe build off of a little bit about what Tristan shared
about some of those connections and also how important that is in some of these other emerging
I appreciated the former conversation just about the distribution of new drugs that are
discovered or with Lucid State and our missions to expand the accessibility of the safe and
effective psychedelic therapies to address the global need for innovative mental health
It's a statement that's personal to me because I both struggled with depression and being a trained
chemist at university and working as well in industry.
I've seen firsthand how hierarchical the scientific world can be.
And given my background in most recently with crypto as well for a number of years, I'm really
excited about the potential for DSci.
So just to share a little bit more about what we're doing here at Lucid State, our thesis is that the only
way that we can really change policy and legislation globally is through evidence based
So currently we're building community in the EU and we've funded research, we've proposed multiple
bills to the Czech Republic and we're overseeing the legalization of the medicinal usage of psilocybin
within the next couple of months.
So that's that's something we're really excited about.
And the next step is we've already received approval to set up a self-development clinic under a
psychiatric ambulance in Prague.
So overall we're excited to see to see how DSci continues to evolve and so far we've seen that the
research around the repurposing of psychedelic substances is underfunded being here firsthand at
So we've been exploring opportunities with Muse Matrix to leverage all that DSci has to offer with IPNFTs
and what really requires decentralization and what doesn't to expedite some of this research.
So we can then propose changes in legislation to open up commercialization opportunities.
And so our goal is to have every contributor in the value chain to participate in the eventual
network and commercialization that we're able to create.
So we're exploring how DSci can help with our mission.
So if anyone feels that this resonates then we'd love to discuss about any collaborations we can do
and really integrate DSci into the fabric of what we're doing here and our mission at Ellucian State.
I think that's such an essential kind of piece of this whole equation is kind of just that distribution
side as well as just commercialization and making sure that the things being built out in DSci are both
useful for for people for organizations as well as connected to them in a meaningful way and getting
into the hands of people that can use them.
With that we have a couple more people up here to speak.
I think Ed you might have raised your hand first.
Would love to have you share some of your thoughts just kind of building off of this combo.
Yes thank you for having me up.
I come from regenerative agriculture both working as a farmer for many years and really connected with
scientists because there was a lot of things we could do on the land to understand how to
create the needed paradigm shift to get healthy food again nutritious food again bringing economies
back to rural communities protecting the environment so but over the years we found that you know
there was like especially with academia or funding you know it became much more competitive
less collaborative the scientists we work with many of them had to basically were very experienced
with DSci because many of our scientists couldn't really do what they wanted to do within the present
system so you know they took the bold leap to sort of become independent and work with
the farmers that were advancing the movement and developed labs to do all the different lab work
that we needed to do because we're very as much as we're into working with nature understanding
nature is very complex it's something that hadn't been really studied we know more about the stars
in the universe than we know about the 12 inches of soil that keep life going and so
that's been really good except you know we're a paradigm shift and we're against the status quo
same as DSci is same as the crypto world and refi is and in finance and so we're up against
the status quo and you know they try to keep us siloed and working on their interest instead of
working on really the interests of solving problems as efficiently and easily into the best
ways that we can and you know that's what the DSci community I feel is the power in it and
but it's all about building collaborations and it's hard because we're isolated you know
the status quo again is very connected in that system but that hasn't worked and science has
gotten a lot of bad names over the recent years yet it's crucial for to evolve so I have a lot
of hope with the movement I think the more and more we can figure out how to collaborate more
communicate more come up with best solutions that's why I found DSci spaces and stuff so great
because as a farmer you know that we didn't we've been belittled in our abilities over the years
you know it's just those farmers we need to help them well farmers can help the rest of us too
and we need I think that's starting to be recognized maybe some of these problems we've
had with diseases and the health system can be solved if we just start with good food again
and a clean environment and that's what we're doing we're looking at a biological approach
instead of the chemical approach and so I'll just land it there but thanks for everybody
coming and it's great to hear everybody's what they're working on
thanks so much for sharing ed often a lot of the conversations in DSci tend to
lean a little bit more towards just biotech life sciences and the application of DSci is
really so much more expansive to other spaces such as as farming and it's part of this whole
larger equation and what you were sharing just on some of those different connections some of those
different challenges there I think that might kind of flow nicely into or aside if you'd like to
share a little bit on just kind of how you're thinking about building some of these these
connections out in the space from more of that community lens or tying in some of the infrastructure
as well oh thanks Erin and also thanks for holding this Twitter space so I'm even from
our side and it's great to meet you several guys like in Vitalia so so let me introduce a little
bit by myself and also our side so uh for my background I started applied mathematics and
finance and I had a chance to work in blockchain after my graduation so when the first time I
noticed about DSci is attending one of the event in the New York City um so after all I tried to
explore more about what is design what the design all about and and then I found out all those
design are focusing on mostly focusing on the biology or the biotech or maybe longevity
so for me I'm kind of like interdisciplinary background so I'm trying to um see like uh
how can we get more people on board not only for the ballot people so after that me and my friends
decided to build a community and to get like people in interdisciplinary science to onboard
to design aspect so that's reason why we're building this RSI community like trying to
do a series online an offline event to get people feel connected and also people can
learn more about like the design and also get more people to onboard for design community
and for us we think by doing those event uh like especially for the offline events like in personal
event which can create more connection so we are trying to expand the um our like roadmap in the
like hosting events in like maybe in this year and we like for us like we are hosting an event
in Denver trying to um make more attraction to people who want to get in board in this field
and also like in the future we think and also we think the most exciting part is if we can see
some of the like design infrastructure projects can pop up like because right now we can see like
each project they are doing like on their own field but we want to see if they're
the projects that can create a connection between uh each design project between each design
projects that be like something sounds very interesting so um when and also we would like
to explore more like if our sound will be the projects to creating this connection so how could
we get people on board like so right now is still in very early stage or trying to make our like
ideas or brainstorm like on this kind of focus and maybe we can have something have something
come out in the end of February so we can make announcement to people like to the to our community
and also to the design people as well um yeah that's kind of what we're currently building and
also like we have an event during the Denver so um like the design Denver so if people are attending
the Denver event please stop by and we have uh so many great speakers and panels and also like
lighting talks or where participate in the event and also like Erin like they are uh she will
sharing the design landscape and also the music metrics like in this um in the in the
our no one event so please check out our event as well okay thank you yes so looking forward to
seeing everyone again in person in Denver so many incredible design happenings uh popping
up there and lots of great opportunities to connect with the ecosystem really kind of tying
this conversation together so far that in real life or in person connectivity paired with these
virtual connections through spaces like this through different programs like the muse matrix
fellowship program are really what can help keep this all moving forward and create win-win
collaborations that that can really uplift us all um with that there are some cool
desy related projects in the current gitcoin round which ends in about 20 hours
um so only a few hours left and muse matrix is participating in that round the zuzulu tech
infrastructure round there um and any support there has a really nice match right now
uh just due to not a lot of projects um being eligible to kind of tap into this larger pool
so any support there really flows directly back into this whole ecosystem allowing for more cool
tooling um and invitations uplifting of people in the space to keep happening i've pinned it up
above for anyone who's looking for the direct link there but highly recommend checking out
the other projects listed in this round as well as past gitcoin rounds um so much of the
design ecosystem can really be found there um we have just a couple moments left i know um we have
one more person up here viovia um if you have any quick thoughts to share um on everything we've
been discussing so far we'd love to have you chime in too
hey thank you very much well first of all i would like to thank all the people and
communities that are pushing to improve desy as many of the speakers that we've had had today
they have been covering much of really important points and really important methods that need to
be faced publicly cannot allowed because desy it's almost changing the part of the machine
to start the schools but uh today i want to introduce a little bit uh viovia mine share
series that is a desired platform that viovia is fostering that basically is free to attend
monthly online mini conferences that we call mine share that is co-sponsored with the i3p
blockchain technical community so mine share is a standalone from the viva technology and is a
product of our academia roots and commitment to sharing learning as universities spin out
it's also represent the belief that uh bridging academia research in an accessible way can help
many people to understand the potential for this until i attack so one of the barriers that we are
facing is that there are not enough knowledge or we believe that people should know several fags
but they have not so we believe there is analogy that i'd like to say is that we are trying to
sell cars to people that don't know how to drive and they need to know what these are important
matters so pretty much my show is about amplifying academic research and practical experiences
from builders or really key opinion leaders that help us validate or invalidate new technologies
and ideas on the decentralized space in an accessible and freely manner so we don't want
any kind of egos we want to let the egos at the door we want the people to participate
foster knowledge sharing and pouring knowledge we believe that this is the first step to to make
this i get one step behind so
thanks so much for for sharing and i know your perspective is coming a bit more from
that kind of data side of things um and just kind of how that that ties in with this community
movement and when i think about desi um and some of the different organizations that have shared
here today as well as of news matrix it's really led by the people wanting to um build out things
that can can improve science for for all of us moving moving into this next stage of what
science and desi can look like are there any people in the audience that that have something
they'd like to add into this conversation too you can always add it into the comments
um and we can continue chatting in a more async way on twitter always
if any of this is resonating with you i highly recommend reaching out to any of the people who
have spoken on this stage today um or if you have any ideas for what cool desi
projects um or just needed infrastructure can look like definitely reach out to news matrix share
some of those ideas so they can get fellows uh eyes and hands working on that to really
kind of bring those visions to life um where do you have any kind of closing thoughts
um maybe some technical difficulties if anyone else wants to jump in as well
no i i i i mean from from my perspective you know i mean uh it's been a fascinating chat
you know learning you know tons about um you know all all the fascinating projects and very
important projects in in desi i just want to thank all our guests and speakers today uh you
thank my co-host erin uh you know uh for uh for co-hosting um i guess that's probably a wrap for
this week um we're going to be back soon uh this is just the first of many episodes again you know
it feels like we're just scratching the surface of what you know um defy uh muscle memory there
yeah uh desi um you know can can really do to change the world and uh yeah we'll we'll be back
soon um you know with uh with more speakers and you know we're gonna get uh we're gonna keep
getting deeper in a defy desi darn it it's been a long day sorry yes definitely also
um this is the first gathering of the desi mic so if you have a conversation that you think would
be interesting to to have through bankless desi definitely shoot a dm over to the twitter account
here or reach out to america or myself and we can definitely help facilitate some of that
conversation whatever is top of mind for you is likely top of mind or of interest to other
people too um so we want to be having those conversations and be having them with you so
please reach out yeah we also have a telegram group going for uh for bankless uh desi uh people
want to join and uh and stay in touch there as well yeah appreciate all of your time thanks everyone
yeah thanks for having me bye