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Unlocking Synergies: DeData x DeSci & EthCC Recap on The DeSci Mic 🎙️
Recorded: July 17, 2024 Duration: 0:49:03Space Recording
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Okay, I think we're, you know're a few minutes into the hour, so we've got our guests joining us.
So, yeah, this week, you know, we've got a very exciting episode with great guests joining us.
I think we're just going to be sort of kicking it off, you know, with a little bit of an ECC Brussels edition recap.
As usual, I'm joined by Erin McGinnis, who's behind the Desai Mike account this week.
I think, you know, she'll definitely have some interesting recollections and stories.
I hope to hear some of them regarding ECC.
We're also joined by our guest this week, Investor Bren, who's behind the...
First off, maybe you can help us with the pronunciation.
Is it Seri Network or some some other uh sarah network
because it comes from cerebellum so it's just the first four letters i know it can be confusing but
great name sarah okay fantastic um so yeah um you know so welcome uh welcome to our guests. I know a lot of people kind of catch these episodes in the recorded version. So, you know, we'll dive right in. So, yeah, last week was ETH Brussels, sorry, ETH CC in Brussels edition, right? I guess Paris had the Olympics going on. So I think it was probably a good choice, a reasonable choice for sure.
I had a busy week, but didn't make it out to all of the Desai events.
I did hit up on Sunday the BioAC ex-Desai ex-Brussels event that had a number of great speakers explaining their projects.
We were joined by VitaDAO, ValleyDAO, MuseMatrix, of course, as well as others.
You know, I think, you know, some of the really eye-opening was was the work on longevity that was, you know, presented and discussed, had some really great guests.
I noted that, you know, we sort of from from previous events, I noted like sort of an uptick of investors who, you know, weren't traditionally D-Sci investors that were, you know, interested in exploring
a lot of the projects. So like, you know, knock on wood, you know, there'll be more money
flowing into the space in the coming months. Erin, I know, you know, you spent a lot more
of your time, you know, hitting up the DSI events. Like, did you want to share your thoughts and observations?
Yeah, one of my biggest takeaways from ETC this year is just that DSI is becoming more of a term and kind of conversation in other spaces and other people's mouths beyond just those of us who are core focused on DSI,
which is super exciting. Whether it's at different D-PIN events, different data-focused ones,
or just broadly, there were a handful of different DSI panels at a lot of the side events as well.
Some folks speaking on it at the main stage in ECC.
So conversations were happening all over the place and a good representation of the DSI ecosystem there as well.
Kicking off the week on Sunday, there was a DSI event for a handful of hours where a lot of the community was
able to convene and then kind of a good gathering later into the evening, just leaning into some of
the network opportunities that these in-person conferences have. So overall, I think a really great kind of time for everyone in DSI
and for other folks to continue leaning into the space too.
Yeah, for sure. Investor Brenna, you were there as well. I don't know if you have anything, you know, more you want to add on this topic before we, you know, sort of zero in on Sarah Network.
Well, yeah, for me, the term DCI just got on my radar this year.
I think during Berlin Blockchain Week.
Berlin Blockchain Week.
So I probably can confirm
that I see that it's
the term is getting out there
and it's reaching new people
because I'm definitely not
part of the design space.
But I do see
the potential and it did
come on my radar.
So that's good news
for the sector and this this sub segment of the crypto
space and it means that you guys are getting some traction and that the uh the term is picking up so
yeah good okay yeah cool awesome i i was also you know just um kind of like blown away by the recent traction and interest as well.
So, yeah, anyway, okay, cool.
Well, that's sort of our thoughts on ECC.
I'm looking forward to seeing everyone at the next one
or maybe even sooner at some of the, you know, cool, like, pop-up cities and sort of similar, you know, network state type flavored things.
Oh, that's maybe another takeaway of mine is that I was surprised, maybe pleasantly surprised by the amount of times that, you know, Desai and, you know, this notion of network state was sort of discussed in
Unis, and I think there's quite a few synergies there.
Okay, anyway, yeah, so, you know, Investor Brandon, welcome to the show.
You know, notice that, you know, you actually have, like, a really cool background in the
space, and, you know, you're involved in a lot of interesting things, including Sarah
Network.
So, yeah, maybe you could tell us a little bit about yourself and how you found your
way into the blockchain space.
Yeah, thanks.
So I got into the space, I think like a lot of people, 2017, almost got in a little bit
2017, almost got in a little bit earlier.
earlier.
I have a background in the gaming industry
and no big surprise that a lot of those gaming DGens,
if I can call them that way,
they were playing around with the graphics cards
and some of them were mining.
So that was the first time I heard about crypto.
And of course, 2017, they came around and say,
ha, look what you missed out on and that of
course pushed me to take a closer look at the space so as many people played around bought
bought a bitcoin um put into coins wrote it all down so that's the uh the first experience for a
lot of people uh 2020 picked it back up uh that's when i started with my channel investor brand initially to look at just
investments in general but very quickly um it became full focus on on crypto and that really
forced me to dive into the uh into the ecosystem into the space um that also got me digging deeper
into deep end in general so hence my uh my interest in deep end and a natural transition into into
city network um so yeah from from there on i really got excited and decided to uh to work in
the space and that's how i ended up with uh with city network um besides city network as you know
mentioned i have a i have an interest in the crypto space itself.
So I do have my YouTube channel, InvestorBren,
which I do in my spare time.
I am part of a whole bunch of different NFT projects.
Also very active in local communities.
So I'm living in Lisbon now,
which is a very vibrant crypto community.
That's also where you and I, for the first time, bumped into each other.
So yeah, I think I live and breathe Web3 right now in crypto,
and I'm involved in many different ways.
Okay, cool. Yeah, thanks for that background. Yeah. It's, you know,
great to see, you know, a lot of the, you know, projects that were started in Lisbon,
you know, really sort of like last cycle, right, where I spent quite a bit of time in Lisbon. I'm
seeing a lot of those sort of, you know, seeds sprout, so to speak,
this cycle, you know, certainly good to see that. So, yeah, you mentioned, you know,
Sarah Network is one of those sort of like, you know, great, great projects that you've come across
and decided to get involved. How, you know, maybe you could tell us a little bit more
about Sarah's core mission and how it aims
to revolutionize decentralized data.
Yeah.
So I'll do the quick elevator pitch.
So we do AI and data automation on deep end infrastructure.
So people, if they're familiar with the web
to data landscape, they probably know. So people, they're familiar with the web to data landscape.
They probably know Databricks, Snowflake.
So we try to be the decentralized version of that one,
but then more automated, more secure.
And then we also allow you to run your own edge clusters,
which of course a very specific use case, but very useful.
Then if we try to pull it a little bit more broadly, the core infrastructure
of SIDA network is decentralized data storage and a content delivery network. So basically we
try to deliver on the problems of Deepin, which like many projects,
we anticipate to use unused resources,
which should result into more cost efficient solution.
Next to that, thanks to decentralization,
we should be able to offer more privacy
and more security on top of that.
So thanks to Web3, we hope to build a solution
that is just more future-proof, more
future-proof, more interesting than the current Web2
solutions, which are very centralized.
And there is such a big trust component there
that we want to eliminate with the help of Web3 technology. I hope that makes sense.
Yeah, it makes tons of sense.
Maybe in more detail to sort of contextualize things for,
you know, get the wheels turning for a lot of our colleagues in DSi.
in DSi.
How do you see SATA's blockchain technology helping scientists, including those that work
with DSi, within DSi?
How can SATA help them with their data?
Yeah, so I think it is a very easy way to create a collaborative approach.
So basically on the infrastructure level, you'll be able to collaborate and people within the community are able to contribute their resources.
So that's part one.
We also, like I said in the beginning, we allow you to run your own data cluster.
So you can be very specific with your requirements.
You can even decide to say, okay, we're on a campus or between different campuses and
we only want to allow people to run nodes based on that requirement, for example.
So there is a lot of flexibility that our platform allows, because I can imagine that some data you don't want to put out in a general data cloud that everybody can access.
So there could be a use case there.
The other thing is managing access and managing data is very simple.
and managing data is very simple you can do it with the wallet or with an nft so in dsci i can
You can do it with the wallet or with an NFT.
imagine that some things will be represented by uh by nfts for example just as we see in the rwa
space um so in that case you can use that to get access or enrich the uh the nft with additional
information with documents and so forth so there are think, a few angles that I would love to explore
with people in the space and see if that makes sense.
So, yeah, that is one or a few angles that I'm seeing.
So, you know, for our DSi listeners,
what's sort of the best way to kind of get in touch
through your Twitter?
Yeah, or just join on Discord or Telegram and just reach out.
So right now we have already one cluster up and running.
So we have what we call a developer console.
I know that might scare off a few people,
but it's a really easy to use interface.
You just sign up with your email,
you'll get a few data credits,
and then you can upload some data and start using it.
And then using an SDK,
you can integrate it in your application.
Okay, cool.
That's a wonderful offering and, you know, appreciate that, you know, you're able to we've had quite a few, you know, various, you know, maybe it's like, you know, decentralized AI, decentralized compute, decentralized, you know, data sort of focused, you it's a philosophical question, right?
But like, what are you doing differently or how are you approaching this differently than other projects in a decentralized data space?
Yeah, I think a lot of projects or several projects have leveraged like IPFS. IPFS is a very nice solution for decentralized data,
and it has been around for quite some time. Sadly, it can be a bit slow. So we build our own
quote-unquote IPFS, our own decentralized infrastructure from the ground up. This is newer technology, it is faster.
So for some applications, IPFS is sadly just too slow.
And then it's simply people think,
okay, we can't use decentralized storage.
Hopefully we'll be able to prove them wrong
and he'll be able to prove that we're very competitive
both when it comes to cost and when it comes to speed.
So that is one of our goals.
And that is definitely something in which we are different.
Then some other solutions, like for example,
Arweave, they go for permanent storage
and they put everything on the blockchain.
That of course makes it a lot more expensive.
And I can understand for some applications
you want it to be permanent and immutable and then of course that's a great solution but
for everything else I think a solution like we're offering makes more makes more sense and then you have the cost benefit, the speed benefit and still the flexibility.
And then compared to other competitors in the market, I think the big differentiator is that we
we go one step further. So most solutions they offer a big one big decentralized data cloud
and it's one size fits all. Then one of the big advantages
is that we are, like I said earlier, we allow you to run your own data cluster so you can
configure the your own little data cloud so to speak. It can be as simple as saying okay for
privacy reasons we can only accept servers in Europe. We want to comply with GDPR.
So in that case, you can set up a cluster
that only has servers within Europe
to make sure that whatever data is being put on there is compliant.
Another situation can be where you say,
no, we want to be sure and we want to know the people
who are running the nodes,
even though the data is sharded and spread out over different nodes.
So no node will ever have all the data.
I can understand that for some projects you still want to say, no, we want to be sure who is running these nodes.
So in that case, you can work with a whitelist and you can set up a cluster that only allows, quote unquote, trusted nodes.
So as you can see, it opens up a lot of options
and a lot of flexibility,
which you can't find in the other solutions.
I hope that makes sense.
Yeah, definitely.
It sounds like there's a lot of different options
that you have that could suit,
like a variety of, you know,
use cases, certainly in D-Sci in general.
You know, Erin, did you have any follow-up questions for Sarah Network?
No, really enjoying this combo.
And I think this kind of ties into larger trends in the DSI space overall, thinking more about data and what different kind of underlying platforms, different or tooling might be available for the different DSI projects.
and DSI projects.
I guess kind of leading off of that,
if let's say there are a bunch of new DSI projects
popping up quite frequently now,
what might be different first engagement steps
for either leveraging or interacting with SIRR network?
uh either leveraging or interacting with um sarin network
um so i encourage anyone just to to reach out um either through discord telegram or through you
guys um you have my contact information i'd love to uh clarify whatever is needed or help people
with the first steps if they would like to dive in head first, then the best place to go is the developer console, like I mentioned before,
where they can very easily and in just a few minutes they will be setting up an account using
the email and they'll be good to go to start playing around. Then you have a whole bunch of
links on how to use the SDK and the different use cases that you can use our infrastructure for.
So I guess that would be the right place to start.
And again, I'm open to conversations and to explore different ideas.
Awesome. Yeah, I know that's always welcoming for folks in the DSI space to hear. Should they work out or reach out directly to kind of the overall organization, Twitter, or is there a specific Telegram chat they should be joining is all that listed on the website um
Awesome.
or should they work out reach out to you uh directly yeah so whatever is most convenient
we have links to uh to discord telegram um on on the website uh i think you can the dms are also
open on Twitter.
And if not, they can just contact me
on my personal Twitter as well, which is InvestorBren.
So happy to help out that way.
And then I think you guys just touched on the AI
also a little bit earlier.
And I can imagine that with a huge amount of data
that the science sector, if I can call it that way,
I mean, it's all data-driven, right?
So I can imagine that there's a lot of interest in AI
there as well and working on that data.
So that's definitely an angle that we're exploring as well.
And especially, I i think thanks to decentralized
data and infrastructure you can make it much more clear where data is coming from who has been using
it what the history is so same thing with us we have this decentralized data viewer if you have
if you have a wallet you can very quickly see all the interactions that were done on the data owned by that wallet
which is of course very interesting for for the user and that also is in line with our vision
we hope to go to a world where you have data owned by the user rather than the situation what we have
now is that every company every project has its own data silo.
And usually, of course, you have your, let's just say your address information, you have it in
thousands of databases, I think, if you have been online for quite some time. All that same data is
being reproduced and gatekeaked by these private entities,
whether it's big tech, small tech, it doesn't matter.
It's just the way how we deal with data at this time.
So imagine if you can turn that around,
you have this one big data cloud
where the data is owned by the user.
And then the user can say, okay,
I allow you to do X, Y, Z with my data.
From an AI standpoint, this is very interesting, right?
Because imagine that you have AI agents represented by an NFT.
With our system, the user can say,
okay, I'm going to give this AI agent,
I'm going to give it access to my data.
And this AI agent, for example,
promises to evaluate my dietary data, whatever.
Let's imagine, and I think we already have a few projects,
doing decentralized Fitbits and stuff like that.
So let's imagine those are generating data.
The data is linked to me.
Then I can say, okay, I'm going to allow this AI agent to work on my data
and give me
suggestions on what I should eat that day or which values are too low or which values are too high
and so forth. So that is an interesting vision of the future that I think is not too far away
and in which decentralized infrastructure can be very helpful. Because then you put the power in the hands of the consumer, rather than in the hands of
the project itself, which of course opens up a whole world of possibilities.
Because right now, if I want to create an application that uses the information of your Fitbit,
If I want to create an application that uses information of your Fitbit, maybe some information about your dietary habits and so forth, I have to contact all these different companies, try to integrate with all of them, pull the data together, and then create an application.
In this quote-unquote other world, you just ask the user, like, hey, can I have this data from you?
And if they say yes then poof you're
ready to go and that of course opens up a whole world of opportunities and I think it will
instigate a lot more development that will be beneficial for for everyone Yeah, that's great to hear.
I mean, I think that that's working towards resolving a lot of the ongoing issues that
... So for example, today, many projects either rely on like AWS,
right, which is like, you know, kind of like, fairly centralized, right, and maybe sort of,
you know, not kind of like fully aligned, right, at ECC, there's a lot of discussion about like,
right at ECC there's a lot of discussion about like you know alignment right of folks right and
and aligning with you know like a like a decentralized protocol that you know is more
aligned with with those sort of principles is you know I think a real real boon to everyone
yeah I think maybe some people worry especially the companies like do we do we really want all our information at amazon
and on the other hand there are probably some political limitations to where they service and
not service and with their infrastructure and then of course you also have the the use case where you say, okay, I have a very specific user base
in an area where AWS doesn't find it worth it
to put resources.
In that case, you can just quote unquote,
use the power of D-Pen and ask your community
to use their resources to support your project.
And then you can spin up local resources,
which of course is a lot faster than when you have to rely on a data center
far, far away from your audience.
So there are definitely some edge use cases
that some people in the West might not be confronted with,
but that are applicable to a bunch of people out there
in which deepened infrastructure can provide solutions
or just go more customized.
Right, right. Yeah, that makes a ton of sense.
All right. I mean, makes a ton of sense. All right.
I mean, one more question from my side, if I may.
I like to sort of shake or squeeze guests for Alpha here and there.
So just wondering if there's anything you can share about what's next for Sera Network,
what folks have to look forward to in the coming weeks and months.
Yeah, so we will be opening up our first data cluster for external nodes.
So that means that you will be able to run your own node within that first data cluster. So if we will be getting a lot more projects on board
and we will have more data usage,
then you'll basically be able to get your share
of that data usage.
So that, of course, is the goal that we're trying to get.
So the money that's now going to AWS, Google Cloud,
and so forth could then be going to you
if you're interested
in running a storage node or a CDN node within our network.
So definitely, I would say, keep an eye on that
if you're interested.
And then later on, I think in Q4,
we will be opening up the network
so you can actually run your own data cluster.
And then that might be a business model there as well.
If you want to build very purpose-specific data clusters,
then yeah, you can even run a business doing that.
So there is an angle there.
And then the last thing I think that is very exciting
to watch out for is the showcase that we're building
for our AI application.
So we'll be using multiple AI agents
based on open source models that will be then running
on the data that we have on our data cloud.
So I think that's a very interesting use case
that maybe can be used indeed in the design space
or other parts of the market to work on that data
and really leverage the power of AI in your application.
the power of AI in your application.
Fascinating.
I can't wait to see more of that unfold.
So, you know, we're sort of reaching, you know,
the back half of the program where we often open it up
to the guests in the audience.
If you want to come up or drop a question in the comment section,
bottom right, feel free to,
especially as it relates to decentralized data and compute vis-a-vis D side.
Just give it a few moments.
Sometimes people need a moment to decide.
Yeah, and otherwise we can just, in the meanwhile,
in the meanwhile chat a little bit more about
chat a little bit more about ECC.
ECC.
Any cool things
that you spotted or
noticed yourself?
For me it was mostly
the amount of AI
and deep inside events.
It was a lot.
And I was also surprised to see so many
BTC events actually during
ECC.
I don't know if you have anything.
Yeah, I mean
those are good observations.
Just sort of coming back full circle
to the top of the
program today.
Yeah, I mean
at the risk of sort of repeating myself
I agree
with your observations.
I think those are very astute.
I did notice more interest and traction, both from the general community interest and also investor interest in DSI, which I probably mentioned a while ago, but we had some new
guests joining since.
So they'll get to hear my observations,
too. I don't know, Aaron, did you want to jump in on that? Or I think we had a speaker from the
audience come up. Jason, if you want to jump in, go for it. Yeah, sorry about the possible
background noise. I'm kind of in a busy co-working space here in Roatan, Honduras, and it's exciting to learn about the new developments in Desai. It's really kind of a movement that I'm seeing is really just kind of rising throughout the entire world. And it's cool to see somebody actually kind of working on the storage and data solution because I think that if that, you know verification layer is is really a trustless
environment it's going to go a long way to kind of speed up checking on the veracity of certain
claims that are that are made against the the data sets and maintaining that and it's it's
cool to see novel solutions coming out of sort of the the early uh evolution of IPFS and some of the other technologies like Arweave.
So, yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited to see that happening, especially like addressing the speed layer.
So my question was about that, like how what kind of performance gains are you seeing in this new solution that you've devised as opposed to IPFS?
Like, could you use this for really advanced machine
learning?
How does it kind of compare with other protocols
that we've seen put forth for those types of applications?
Yeah, so I think it will be very interesting to see.
And I think our AI showcase will be the big test
and see if we can be used for inference.
So just using the benchmarking and the different tests
that we've run in our closed environment,
it should definitely be possible.
But of course, we want to see that in a live environment
as well.
Right now, simply a very basic speed test that you can do
is that we have a 4K video that is being streamed
from our data cloud.
So that shows you that we have a certain capacity
to deliver data at speed.
But of course, specifically for the use case
that you are now touching on, which is AI inference,
I hope to demonstrate, or I hope that we can demonstrate that
very soon and very successfully.
JOHN MUELLER, 4K video sounds pretty impressive.
So I'm excited for the progress that you appear
to have made already.
So yeah, that's really cool.
Congratulations on that sort of that breakthrough
thanks um yeah i also kind of wanted to talk just a little bit about one of the reasons that i'm
here because i i am really uh a fan of the work that news matrix is doing and decide mike and uh
i've been involved sort of in the earlier days of sort of the DSI movement and trying to get more awareness to that project.
So me and Aaron are kind of coming from similar angles.
And I've recently put together a summit that's here on Roatan called the Human Augmentation Summit.
And we're going to be featuring some really advanced DSI projects as part of a panel that Aaron is going to be on.
So I kind of wanted to raise awareness for that and to also just sort of say that, you know, this this environment is really ripe for sort of innovation and also having people come here to where we're physically located in the island of Roatan, Honduras.
to where we're physically located in the island of Roatan, Honduras.
A lot of people haven't heard about this place.
It's a little island in the Caribbean,
but it's located in a special economic zone,
and it's really friendly for advanced projects,
crypto projects, biotech-style projects,
and it allowed our company to form,
which is a new cybernetics company.
And what we're doing with the conference is raising awareness,
and we're also doing a pitch contest.
So that way founders that are building innovative projects in the deep tech space, which is most of DSi,
but really kind of even a broader sort of paint stroke can pitch virtually and potentially win a little bit of prize money
and support for their project.
So you might want to get in touch with Erin at Muse Matrix
and ask her a little bit about that and follow us along
for the HASS Summit that's happening here on Roatan.
Part of it will be a virtual conference.
It's also an in-person experience, but it's kind of hard to fly here.
It starts next week.
So I'm a little late to the show on that one, but I really-
Yeah, I'm fomoing right now.
Yeah, it's called hastsummit.org, and I will be tweeting about it here in just a few minutes.
I will tell you that this is sort of, it is an
event that is going to happen next week, but this sort of environment and culture that we're
building over here is a perpetual thing. So a lot of people in Desai are familiar with
sort of the network state concept and some of these pop-up cities like Zuzulu.
Vitalia.city is one of those that happened over in the Caribbean.
And it went from sort of like a two-month sort of like a co-working,
let's hack together, to now it's more of a permanent thing here in the zone.
So you're gradually going to hear about us more and more,
but we're sort of in stealth now and we're sort of like saying,
hey, come out and notice all this stuff.
And we're also trying to tie together a lot of the founders that are like
rubbing their, like, you know, hands together.
Like where do we build next?
And we're like, well,
why not come to the Caribbean and build in paradise? And, you know, let's,
let's build a real sci-fi forward community here. Right.
Right in this hemisphere. So thanks very much, guys.
I don't want to hog up the airtime here.
I know that this is sort of an impromptu visit,
but I am super collaborative with anything happening in Desai,
so feel free to reach out to me,
and I would love to support your projects going forward.
Yeah, based on what you just said
and data and legitimacy of data for science, I was wondering, and it's a question to you guys.
Are there any projects focused on building hardware, on doing tests and collecting data and putting that directly on the blockchain?
Because then you will have unbiased data available and then you'll see okay what data was used for the research and
then you can start backtesting the data using exactly the same reliable data being used for
certain research and then of, of course, automatically,
I'm also thinking about seeking knowledge proof
and other technologies that do protect the privacy of people
providing the data.
How is that actually evolving within the DSi space right now?
That makes me curious.
Yeah, so that's kind of an obvious use case of some of these technologies to the advancement of science and kind of a core foundational layer that could really allow other opportunities to be built on top of that, I'm really glad you brought this up. That's actually what we're focused on at Causality Network,
which is our core project, part of Muse Matrix.
So our first project we're spinning out there.
So would love to dive into that and nerd out on that topic more with you,
but that's very much what we're building.
Okay, cool, cool. So you're focused on hardware as well, or
mostly on packaging the data in such a way that it's actionable, but yet privacy preserving?
Yeah, so not actually producing the hardware, but integrating directly
with it and verifying the data that hardware scientific devices are creating. So then that
can be trusted by people kind of later on in that data supply chain process.
that data supply chain process.
Awesome.
And when are you guys planning to roll out or go live?
We're still figuring that out.
So you'll definitely hear from us, though,
and we'll probably be on the D-Sign mic
with different updates over time.
And, yeah, so I don't have an exact date on that
now, but we have some different partners, especially in neurotech devices and a couple
different labs we're working with for some early testing. And then we'll continue opening it up
from there. So if there are other folks listening in on this that have some type of
scientific hardware device or a lab or are running different experiments producing scientific data
using some type of hardware, definitely reach out. I'm at Erin McGinnis on everything or
go send a message to the Muse Matrix account
that's listening in here right now.
And we'd love to collaborate and build out some of this solution,
kind of prioritizing your device or use case
to help build out some of the specs and everything.
Cool.
Yeah, and if we can work together,
love to set up a call on that as well.
Awesome.
Yeah, I'll message you as well,
and we can keep diving into that beyond this convo too.
Amazing. That's really kind of some of the benefits of hosting these different weekly dsign meg spaces. Would love to keep making
connections like this, but allow for everyone else. So if you have different
topics you want to be covered next week or in the upcoming weeks,
please reach out to this account, Desai Mike, Regular Merrick, Crypto Shrimp, or myself, Erin McGinnis,
and we'll get those on the docket moving into the future as well.
Just early shill on that piece of it.
All right.
I mean, I guess, you know, we're coming up on the hour.
You know, had a great convo, surprise guests dropping alpha.
Really excited for
the future of
Sarah Network and
Desai and
these wonderful pop-up cities,
efforts in Honduras.
Looking forward to catching up on
all the new developments
next week with you all.
We'll see you next week, same time.
New topic.
Yeah, see you there.
Thank you for having me.
It was great fun.
Maybe we can do this another time in the future.
Yeah, thanks for joining us.
And thanks to all of our guests.
Love being on the panel, guys.
I'm looking forward to promoting your weekly show.
So thanks for having us, and thanks
for spreading the message with Desai.
Thanks, everyone.
Talk next week.
Bye.
