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VeChain Updates - May & June 2025
Recorded: July 15, 2025 Duration: 2:30:34Space Recording
Short Summary
In the latest VeChain monthly update, key discussions revolved around Wanchain's partnership with VeChain, the successful launch of Stargate with a TVL of $120 million, and the introduction of a new staking model aimed at enhancing user engagement and attracting institutional investments. The conversation also emphasized the growing trend of cross-chain interoperability in the crypto space.
Full Transcription
Thank you. you I'm going to fight them all
I've said the nation army couldn't hold me back
They're going to rip it off
Taking their time right behind my back
And I'm talking to myself at night
Because I can't forget
Back and forth through my mind
Behind a cigarette
And I'm making me a little more time. I don't want to hear about it.
Every single one's got a story to tell
Everyone knows about it
From the Queen of Inga to the Hounds of Hell
And if I catch it coming back my way
I'm gonna sell it to you
And that ain't what you want to hear But that's what I'll serve it to you. And that ain't what you want to hear, but that's what I'll do.
And this girl coming from my heart, I'm going to serve it to you. I'm going to Wichita
Far from this opera forevermore
I'm going to work this song
Make the sweat drip out of every pore
And I'm bleeding and I'm bleeding And I'm bleeding, and I'm bleeding,
and I'm bleeding right before the Lord.
All the words are gonna bleed from me,
and I will think no more.
And the pain comes from my God. What is up VFAM?
Welcome back to the VChain monthly update space.
We have made it to number 27, and we've got a great space today because we get to go over two months.
And it's okay.
We're going to give them the benefit
of the doubt we had some scheduling to do because you know one of our co-hosts here became a new
father to one of the newest members of the v fam has to spend a little bit more time you know making
sure our newest member is being raised right so we're excited excited to have Jake join us back here this week. We have a lot
to go over because like I said, we're going to be going over the last two months. But before I dive
into the agenda, before we go over what we missed last month or two months ago, for those that
missed it, I want to go around the horn to some of our speakers. And we have a legend of the game up here, somebody who is here, honestly, more than most.
Like, I don't know how he makes the time, but he definitely hosts some of the longest spaces in VeChain.
And thankfully, we've got him up here to co-host today.
PolyTV, welcome to the stage. How are we feeling today?
How are we feeling today?
Well, that's a great intro, Connor, because, yeah, I'm literally taking a break from work to come in here and join this chat.
So give me a good excuse to get out of the humidity and join the AC.
But, yes, I am all over the place doing all types of stuff.
I'm sure we'll touch on some of that later, but excited to be here.
Looking forward to hearing from Jake once again and getting to hear from some
of these teams that,
well,
they also,
I think I've heard they've got some other things that we get to preview as
well,
coming up soon,
talking about mugshot,
cleanify and a wand chain.
So looking forward to this conversation,
legend,
appreciate you having me up.
Of course, my man. And for those that somehow don't know already, if you can't get enough of
today's space, you want more. Our man, Pauly here, hosts a space every single Monday and then has one
on Wednesdays with some of the non-fungible book club crew for those that want to dive deeper and
get more involved in the community.
But let's go to our co-host here that's making this all happen.
Jake, the man behind the VeChain Foundation account.
Welcome back, man.
How's the past two months been?
Hi, my friend.
Yeah, it's been great.
It's been hectic.
It's been baby-tacular.
Even tonight, it's like, baby tequila even tonight it's like yeah just wild like finish work baby time do other stuff uh but yeah it's it's amazing part of life's rich tapestry so all is well here
all is well in v chain land of course time's going on as always can't wait to dive into it
um but yeah thanks for the nice intro connor hope you're doing well my friend how's tricks of you
well it's chicago summer right now so we're the best city in the world for 12 weeks but yeah thanks for the nice intro Connor. Hope you're doing well my friend. How's Tricks of you?
Well it's Chicago summer right now so we're the best city in the world for 12 weeks and then we go back to an absolute hellscape. So I'm enjoying myself man. I have no complaints
here for those that have experienced it you know you definitely get it. Let's go to you know some
of our other speakers around the horn here
Great to see the first comments ripped up here by one of our first speakers cleanify. Welcome to the stage. How we doing team?
Flame here on the cleanify account very happy to be here. Thank you Connor for last-minute squeezing us in happy to be here
Always great to have you excited to dive into some of your updates, team.
I know you had a big month from the sound of it.
Another team that always has a big month and has some big things coming.
Mugshot. Good to see you on stage with us.
Who do we got behind the account here?
Hey, Conor. It's Piero.
I saw the notification. I'm actually fixing some bugs. I was like, oh, let me join. Let me listen. And I got invited. So, hey, everyone.
Let's go. Good to hear you, Piero. I hope you get more time to poke around these. I know you're a man that has very little time. So good to see you here and excited to get some of the updates from the team.
Good to see you here and excited to get some of the updates from the team.
Let's go to another team we actually heard from on one of Pauly's spaces recently.
Better Transit, one of the newer teams on the DAO.
Better Transit, welcome to the stage.
How are we doing today?
Yeah, it's Master Dev here.
Thank you for having me.
I actually didn't know there was a space going on.
I just popped on and you invited me, so glad to be here.
Well, sometimes that's the best way to have it happen.
It's the natural, you know what?
I got time.
I want to join the discussion.
It's good to see you, team.
I know you guys are grinding heads down,
and for those that haven't heard about it,
we'll probably dive into a little today.
But again, recorded space on Polys just earlier this week for you to learn more.
Another team that was there was Bedtime, who just joined us up as a speaker.
How are we doing, Bedtime?
Welcome to the stage.
Thanks a lot, Connor.
Dusty Ranger here on the Bedtime account.
As you said, we were on the poly space last night
and with, had a great time.
Put in our grand proposal
as you guys may have seen.
We'll be up for a vote next week.
So good to be here
and thanks for getting
us up here. Looking forward to the space.
Good to have you
and best of luck on the proposal
team. I know it was fun learning more about you guys earlier this week and looking forward to seeing where you guys go next.
Another team new to the Dow, crushing it, making some moves.
Reuse, welcome to the stage. How are we?
Hello everyone. How are you?
Really good morning. I'm truly appreciate it and really really excited to get in into these spaces.
So let's get fucked up. I'm all ears.
Yes sir, let's have a day. I see we have the CEO of Wanchain joining us up here.
Give me a first chance. I'm going to try it. Temujin?
Maybe? Yeah, that's shockingly accurate. Good job. Let's go. Guys, you know, I played sports in high
school. Sure. No correlation. Anyway, Temujin, welcome to the stage. Super excited to have you
here. Congratulations on everything going on with your team and the huge lift that you just had with the VeChain Foundation recently.
Obviously, we're going to spend some more time diving into it, but welcome to it. Any first words from you before we kick things off here?
Yeah, thanks for having me. Like you said, we're new to the ecosystem, so I'm sure we're all going to get to know each other much better over the next, you know, the coming months and years.
And, you know, you scared me right off the top. You said Pauly here is known for extremely long spaces.
I think I'm scheduled for one with him on Friday, so we'll see how that goes.
It might be six hours. It just depends if you mention the word mermaid. So just avoid it
and you should be okay. I see we have Toss joining us. Toss, new speaker. I don't think we've had the
chance to connect. Welcome to the stage. How are things in your world?
GMG, everyone. How are you doing, guys uh it's really amazing to be here really so
happy to excited to be in your spaces uh actually uh this is my first time to be
uh in this you know spaces with you know beach in uh spaces uh it's really amazing and you know
thanks for having me here i'm actually new in you in this you know blockchain beach in
but i can see you know a lot of you know uh people you know people focusing about it in the timeline but I come on stage
to hear about
VeChain
so I'm here for the alpha
I'm a content creator, degenerate
and also Mimkwe Madzi
KOL in these spaces
so thanks for having me here
thank you very much Connor
welcome to it
feel free to jump in if you have any questions
our goal always is to make Jake the man behind the VeChain account, reveal more than he is supposed to. And we are usually pretty fucking good at it. So good luck with today, man. Let's get ready to dive into some things.
You know, we'll go over just kind of the last space for those that missed it. And again,
if you missed it, you want to listen back. It is recorded on my page under the highlights,
and it was a bit different of discussion. So if you missed it, you get to hear about a two and a half hour conversation of a Q&A
with the CEO of VeChain Foundation, Sonny Liu, who chatted with the community about everything
VBetterDow. And we had a lot of fun. We laughed, we argued, and we even got him to cry in a good
way. Don't worry, it was a happy cry. But it was such an incredible space. We talked about so much, and I highly encourage you to listen back if you haven't, because I assume we're going to build on a lot of things that we talked about.
Because today we're going to start by diving into some VBetterDAO updates. As you see, we have some teams up here. We're going to hear from a few of them on some of their current initiatives, some of the high-level things that are going on, and I welcome any other teams that have a high-level topic that they'd like to share and kind of shout out to the community,
feel free to come join us. From there, we're going to have the Wanchain team talk a little
bit more about this new integration and partnership and have the community kind of poke their brain a
little bit because, as you heard, we're going to have them do a much deeper dive on Friday.
The goal is to kind of peel back the first layers of the onion
today and find some points on poly space that we really want to hammer down. Then, of course,
we got to go over Stargate. I mean, you've probably heard it already, but if you haven't,
don't worry. We're going to cover it, but we're going to spend a lot more time not necessarily
talking about what it is, but what's the launch been like and where are we going? And then, as
always, we've got our community questions on. So we have a lot to cover. I'm not going to waste
any more time of you guys listening to me talk because we're here to listen to Jake talk. So Jake,
it's time to start talking. I want to hear what's going on with VBetterDowMan. And we'll start with
the easy layup every time.
You know, give us the updates on the stats.
Like, what are some of the user numbers?
What's going on?
Yeah, well, I mean, lots of shiny numbers.
Obviously, launched in June 2024.
I mean, wait, what month is it now?
My God, it's been a blur.
July, it's been a year.
Wow.
It's been a blur july it's been a year wow it's been a year plus wild uh
we've hit the the great milestone of two one million user apps obviously mugshot that's up
here today uh green card but i know obviously cleanify being an og a tempest in the space uh
doing pretty well as well um hitting 25 and a half million tokenized actions so you know actions through the vbetter ecosystem 3.2 million
wallets uh betters had 37 million transfer events and yeah i believe we're up to like approaching
the the 40 50 app mark so some listed some currently in the pipeline but um yeah essentially
very solid progress in terms of uh like apps getting to a mature phase as well and getting ready to go online.
So, you know, obviously we've launched this new rent kind of pipeline as well, which is now a bit of a funnel for that as well.
So, yeah, I mean, positive numbers, positive progress, backdrop against a macro backdrop, which is seeing a lot of adoption, a lot of progress towards embracing.
So yeah, just generally a lot of positive momentum. It's very encouraging to see from
the foundation perspective. And I'm curious, you know, has this kind of been going to plan?
You know, were you expecting to be at this mark here? I mean, we're kind of on track with
at least the volume play of DApps, where we're trying to launch 100 DApps.
We're at that kind of halfway point at 50.
But what about everything else?
You know, we're expecting to see multiple million user DApps.
You know, we're expecting to see this level of engagement with the actions.
We'd love to hear more about that.
I mean, obviously, that's been phenomenal.
I think if you ask Sonny sunny he would be like of course we
expected that i think when you hear sunny's kind of benchmarks went in place some of the team would
probably be like oh god damn but actually you know we should have trusted in sunny's vision as always
because obviously it's come to fruition so i'm really amazed and happy to see the positive momentum that's been growing and propelling us towards the goal.
Obviously, Connor, I think you're aware that 100 apps, 20 million weekly active users was a goal put out by Sunny for the 2025 end-a-year stats.
And it's definitely trending very nicely in that direction i think very much
bolstered by a very positive kind of unfolding regulatory environment as well right we wouldn't
have that if we didn't have the us right now basically being like right we're going all in
on this and the whole world is like okay yeah maybe maybe we need to get on board too so i think
you know the mess adoption era is upon us. There's definitely an
open season on the Web2 world, let's say, and kind of bringing users in. So yeah, very exciting
times, very exciting times. I think we're going to see tremendous growth across the whole kind of
Web3 ecosystem in the coming months and years. I was going to say, yeah, and we're looking far out
and I got to do it, guys. I
totally forgot. But retweet the damn space. It's the monthly update space for VeChain.
And we're going over the last two months. And before we have some of these teams talk about
one of the first topics that might have a little spice to it, I want to make sure we get this out
there. And so, Jake, I want to talk a little bit about the new grant program. You know, it's
launched. We've got some of the first ones given out, some of the first ones denied, some teams up
here who have gone through it. You know, before we go over to some of these teams, I want to hear
from you. You know, what's the foundation been feeling about kind of this new launch and
experience so far, you know, having some of the first teams go through it? It's definitely been a learning curve.
I'll say that because obviously we've got a large mass of voters that are kind of caught
up in the, I guess, I forget the terminology, abstain, sorry.
Yeah, getting caught up in that abstain cycle, which I think is potentially an automated
thing with the delegates.
So how do we reach those users?
Of course, that is a large critical mass of users at the moment.
That's kind of in this intermediate ground of not actually necessarily being engaged.
So I think there's a common challenge of all DAOs.
How do you maximally engage your user base?
Of course, we do also have a very engaged uh you know user base that are
making decisions accordingly um yeah some good learnings around education campaigns how do we
funnel users in how do we funnel new depth i'm sorry uh into the community in a way that's kind
of gives them the visibility they need uh you know the kind of interaction with community i need the ability to tell the message that they need to tell etc um so you know it's it's teasing pains but i think the community is
is running with it and doing a phenomenal job and obviously uh the foundation is very keen to
provide what resource it can and learn and adapt we have kim who is spearheading the kind of debt relation slash uh ecosystem kind of growth
frontier with man and some great team members there so you know we've got a good team in place
and i think yeah a lot of learnings and a lot of progress to be made obviously zeloop uh great team
on paper unfortunately just lost out by a cinch last week you know again that was like a wake-up call
so i think uh lots of learnings to be made but i think very positive direction uh after that i've
seen the community you know mr whitman shout out really kind of take it on themselves to kind of
lead on the educational front and try and be proactive and i that's really inspiring so
again we're learning from the community which I think is a good place to be. And I think you guys have done a great job learning
from the community. You know, I think speaker or listeners down here, this is your opportunity.
If you have something on any topic we're talking about, come up request, we'll cycle you up.
And if we kick you down as a speaker, just heads up, no hard feelings. We're just trying to get everybody up here. If you've got a point,
just requests, we'll bring you back up. But one of those community members that has been talking
to so many DApps recently about these grant tracks is our co-host up here, Polly. And so,
Polly, I'd love to hear from you about what you've been seeing firsthand from talking from so many
different teams going through it.
Teams that have gone through it or thinking about it or, you know, are on the other side already.
Before we go to some of the teams up here who have quite literally experienced the first hand.
Mute button might have you like we kind of got you, but don't think you're talking yeah can you hear me i'm sorry now now we got you now we got you right
oh no no no we got you we got you i think you're like weirdly delayed hang on let me come let me
cycle back yeah cycle back cycle back. Cycle back.
But yeah, cycle back.
But let's go to, you know, the EcoBag, Better Transit, Reuse and Bedtime teams up here.
Because I know you guys have all experienced this firsthand so far.
You know, I'd love to hear from some of you about what it's been like to go through this.
You know, was it smooth?
Was there anything that caught you by surprise?
You know, tell us a little bit more about it.
No pressure.
Hey there.
What's up, Evo Bag?
Good to hear you.
Not much, man.
Yeah, so the topic you were asking,
how the experience going through the grant was
was that correct yes sir yeah so we haven't went through the grant yet project just yet
um it's definitely on our bucket list to go through it uh we're actually full self-funded
um we put about 20 grand into our dap but um yeah we'll jump on to the uh the next topic of any
other ones i know um you know, like, Scoop Up
went through it, Bedtime went through it,
Reuse went through it. We'd love to hear from them.
Reuse,
anything you guys want to share?
Can you hear me?
We've got you.
You're asking about some experience that we are using in the first week.
So, we are truly
experience with
some of the guards they're trying to use over there but not in the right place. So, this is actually
They're trying to use in order, but not in theory right here.
So this is actually new experiences for us, especially when we are getting,
when our first grant and we are really, really excited to get in.
And this is really a push from, from, from my side, from FIFA.
No, I think this opportunity of this new grant program is incredible.
And I'm glad to hear that, you know,
teams like you are even excited
and recognize the value it's bringing.
And I see we've got some hands up here.
I want to go to Toss
and then we're going to go to bedtime
just to kind of keep going around
before we get Pauly back up.
So Toss, take it away.
Yeah, bro. Thank you very much uh it's actually a question about you know of the chain what they are building and you know uh what's all about pitching can you give
me a little bit about you know the vision the whole of the you know blockchain is a layer one
blockchain or either layer two blockchain uh what is the solution that comes with it in this ecosystem?
So this is all my question.
Jake, you want to give the high level, the man behind it, before we jump to the next topic?
I mean, high level, yeah.
Lay one, Falkner Ethereum, we've got all the kind of general purpose functionality baked in.
We did a lot of enterprise stuff.
We still do enterprise stuff.
That's happening with Toolchain, et cetera, etc on the vita honsberg side of things and also uh in china we've got
some like china specific delegates but in terms of the foundation's focuses right now v better
ecosystem is kind of this retail focused real world uh utility platform we've got v chain renaissance
which major technical upgrade i
mean that's our kind of one of our key focuses right now certainly for our tech team stargate
staking fyi shout out just launched that it's a proper staking platform 120 million tvl within
two weeks you know we've got a bunch of news to come on that front in terms of validators joining
the ecosystem um so that's very exciting this is kind of uh institutional partners taking a stake
in the blockchain and obviously supporting our growth objectives with vbetter and yeah some
stuff to come that's not been really mentioned but definitely foreshadowed by study around v world and that upgrades that but
that's a tldr i mean i'm sure you've seen our history like we're pretty well known around
space for doing a bunch of things but yeah certainly those are the current focuses
are you sure you can't share anything more on that right now yeah in what direction flame what
do you mean oh don't don't worry, Flame.
We've got some sections
that we'll dive deeper into that.
I mean, we've got all kinds of stuff
in all kinds of pockets,
but obviously I am beholden
to the golden rule
of maintaining decorum for feature.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That time, take it away.
What do you have to add to this?
Any points from you on the grant program and your team's experience? that time, take it away. What do you have to add to this? You know,
any points from you on the grant program and your team's experience?
Yeah,
definitely.
It was,
of course,
it changed during our grant request.
We already put in our grant request over talk,
talking to the foundation,
and then it changed to,
to the community voting.
I think it's a good,
good.
Yeah. It's a good community decision that's been made and the process is, I mean it takes time but it's a very professional
progress. I think Kim is helping a lot with setting the milestones, getting the steps
in order and is a great guide actually for us for the grant process. Of course we
are only in the first stage now, published on the Discourse, endorsed for the next week
for the voting. But yeah, so far it's been time consuming, but very professional yeah, shout out to Kim for guiding us through.
Kim's a damn legend.
We got to get Kim on one of these spaces one time,
just so that she can hear the shout outs firsthand.
She deserves them all.
But one thing I want to talk about that you keep hearing is new teams,
new grant program.
I mean, I don't know about you guys, but the last month,
this is the most teams I've seen come into the V chain ecosystem in a long time.
You know, a lot of new faces, a lot of new applications.
I mean, all across every part of it.
And I'm curious, you know, from the foundation's perspective, like what's going on with these business development efforts?
Like what have you guys been doing to bring in this influx of teams?
Or is this just kind of the waiting room and the waitlist that's been sitting there for a while?
Yeah, so it's a happy medium.
Obviously, we've got BCG supporting our kind of growth side of things with VBetter,
because obviously it's an ecosystem they also have an
interest in there's organic inbounds there's teams coming in uh you know seeing what feature is doing
finding the appeal and joining as well so it's definitely a mixed bag i know the ecosystem team
have been super busy kind of building applications and and grant kind of applications and whatnot
so kind of yeah just fending off
from all quarters at the moment.
But I mean, it's a positive sign,
like, you know, there's visibility on what we're doing,
which is the most important thing.
You know, obviously if you ask ChatGPT,
what is VChain?
You still get the VChain's a supply chain project,
blah, blah, blah.
So it's very encouraging to see that people are saying,
obviously getting recognition of what's going on and and seeing the growth in that direction so
yeah it's say a multi-faceted approach right now but definitely support about bcg and
and obviously vchain but also a lot of it organic a lot of organic inbound and i think one of the things that we were really hammering home with Sonny in the last space was this quality over quantity thing. or how you're trying to, you know, review the history of these individuals to avoid bad actors or just, you know, low quality cookie cutter AI, you know, applications to kind of slip through the cracks.
Yeah, definitely. Like the review team, there's a lot more kind of a stringent kind of process in place with what's incoming, what's being reviewed. You know, there's more, yeah, definitely an emphasis
on exactly what we just mentioned, like quality over quantity.
At the end of the day, we don't necessarily need
a bunch of just very basic applications.
It's something that's innovative, you know,
something that has an interesting model behind it.
And of course, ultimately now the community is in charge of supporting these apps with,
you know, the kind of grant process being formatted the way it is.
So that now becomes another layer of scrupulousness, which is beyond the foundation's reach as well,
which obviously done in tandem with but it's a nice
kind of marrying of uh review there like we can marry we can uh sorry review the technicals
and say okay this is unique and and you should progress etc and then ultimately the community
is able to say do we like this model do we not? Which I think is a kind of good marriage.
No, I do too. And I think that you guys putting a little bit more strictness on the review process is a good thing for the teams, just because I think the community has a little bit of an
expectation. You know, I know a lot of members definitely can reflect on teams that have burned
this ecosystem in the past and, you know, have had kind of a little bit higher of an expectation
of security, of, you know, a business mindset, of a long-term vision. So I think the more that
you guys can do from the foundation's perspective and some of those initial reviews is only going to help
them when they come to the community and kind of interact with these teams or in these
representatives that have some certain expectations you know i see breaking balls your hand came up
anything you want to add here and then polly if your mic somehow working we'll go back to you
hey guys can you hear me loud Loud and clear, my friend.
Great.
Perfect.
I just had a question for Jake since I have you.
So we did just see, we talked about an influx of dApps on the DAO and community app and
control and all that fun stuff.
But we've been, there's three dApps just came on the DAO.
Three DApps just came on the DAO.
They all were endorsed by Big Time Nodes,
and they are currently already on the App Store on iOS
under the V-Chain Foundation umbrella.
That's the Trash Dash by Graham, by ByByte crew.
They haven't really been super transparent in talking to us
or coming on a space.
I was just, my question for you is,
is this a group of devs that you guys know? who are coming on a space. I was just, my question for you is,
is this a group of devs that you guys know?
I know the foundation isn't responsible for building them, but what's the process of getting a DApp on an iOS,
you know, considering it's under the umbrella of the foundation?
So I'm kind of just curious about that.
And if you do have their ear,
we would love to have them on a space
so we can talk to them
because they got some growing pains going on.
That's all I got.
Thanks.
Great question, as always.
Frankables by name, by nature.
It's a good question.
Sorry, when you say under the foundation,
what do you mean?
So if you, so these, we've never seen this before.
So three apps just came live on the DAO,
and they also are native apps on the App Store on, you know, the high list.
And when you click on these apps, it says V-Chain Foundation of San Marino.
So I don't know if that's just
kind of just how it works, like any app that, or the app that like applies for a grant or applies
to get a creator NFT, no matter what, if they have the backing to create one for also, you know,
mobile, like native app, then would they automatically go under this like V-Chain
Foundation, you know, umbrella?
So it's published by you guys, I assume.
I don't know how all that works.
I'm sure someone else who has more technical background, but it's like if you click on
it, it's the same thing as Mugshot.
You see Mugshot underneath, it says V-Chain Foundation of San Marino, same thing with
Green Card, same thing with green card same thing with uh any other yeah i get it yeah no that that is a great point um
i need to follow up with that internally because to be honest i am not a hundred percent and i don't
want to give you an answer that's misleading but as far as i'm aware it's not built by an internal
team so i need to understand the exact proper answer
to give you rather than speak out of turn and uh and put my foot in it but um yeah i mean those
three apps to my knowledge are not built by internal teams so i yeah i i need to clarify that
well i think then the breaking balls we we go to your call to action. Let's get them the hell on a space chat with us.
You know, it goes back to the point earlier of, you know, teams need to be prepared to answer some of the questions within this ecosystem,
especially if they're expecting to get community endorsement.
So got to open up a line of communication, especially when people are asking for it.
I think, Jake, if there's any way you can, you know, poke Kim, Nan, or anybody else that can reach out to these teams and say, hey, community wants to chat with you, I think that would be a good next step.
Yeah, totally. And I will do that.
I'm making a note right now.
They've been responding in DM, but, you know, a lot of us have been receiving the same type of messages that we've been receiving from every new DF that comes on.
These are the things we're trying. We're new.
Just come on the space. We'll talk about it. We'll let you know.
This is just the first time we've seen them come on the DAO and then also
already be on a native app, which is like, that's just what's going on.
So that's why it's just raised.
Makes complete sense yeah no no
we'll uh we'll definitely follow up on that and thank you i think this is why you need the community
breaking balls fucking finding shit i love this guy um appreciate you dude and let's make sure
yeah the number one father in the entire ecosystem for those that didn't know um breaking balls
don't worry nothing but love here mate when. When I heard that, I laughed.
I've got to be honest.
I know.
Like, we need to be held to account.
That's completely fine.
More threats, Breaking Balls.
That's what he's asking.
More.
Maybe not.
But, Paulie, does your mic work?
And, you know, I'm assuming, dude,
this space is probably going to be going to you, you know, having some of these teams join.
Yeah.
Can you hear me?
Look at you.
You're loud and clear.
No laughing.
I'm sitting out of my car.
I'm sitting out of my car.
Hopefully my machines aren't blown up right now.
So I'm not going to do it.
Such good connection, bro.
I'm here.
Are you on, like, 6G?
Yeah. Wow. Crazy, man. It, bro. Are you on like 6G? Yeah.
Light.
Wow.
Crazy, man.
It's HD.
Are you guys messing with me?
Can you actually not hear me?
No, you sound great.
You sound great.
Okay, good.
All right, good, good.
Yeah, no, to go back to this, you know, the grant question you had and what I'm noticing,
you know, there's some things I'm not surprised by, you know, particularly seeing teams
that are coming in that are unfamiliar to the ecosystem and the community having a harder time,
which is something we would expect. And seeing some teams that, you know, have been in the
ecosystem for a while, are visible at the very least, engaging, willing to answer questions, and just being out
there are having an easier time. And it's interesting when I look at the voting, I've
been looking at the votes for some of these grant proposals, and we see a lot of the same comments.
for some of these grant proposals.
And we see a lot of the same comments.
They don't like the vote, the grant process.
They want to turn it into a loan instead of a grant.
But an interesting thing that I noticed is, you know,
ARCREEN, their grant proposal failed.
And there were some people who said they voted no
because they didn't like the grant process.
But then this following week, when Better Transit, who's run by, you know, longstanding community members and are out and about,
got the same comment, but those same people that said no, abstained.
So there's interesting things going on in the voting, and I don't know what to make of it precisely, but it's clear that there's multiple factors that are going into what are making people make these decisions.
being aware that it doesn't just coming in and throwing it out there and thinking the community
is going to jump all over it because you think you got a great idea. It's going to take a little
bit more than that, you know, and I know we got community members that work behind the scenes,
you know, we got the note holders like Breaking Balls and Mr. Whittleman, who are out there trying to find out information, you know, for the community and trying to ask questions.
And I'm working to try and help these teams get a platform where they can meet with the community and answer questions.
But it's a puzzle. It's a puzzle we're trying to figure out here. And I've been trying specifically to reiterate one specific point lately. And that is that the VeChain Foundation is taking this grant proposal and the milestones very seriously.
proposal for $30,000 and they get it passed, that doesn't mean they're going to get $30,000.
You know, so I think, I think we need to remember that VeChain has laid out this new format.
They get some money up front and then they have specific milestones they have to lay out that
they need to hit to get their next lot of money. And VeChain and maybe Jake can, you know, Jake
can follow me up on this,
you know, has been saying, Hey, we're not just going to be giving out this money.
If they don't fulfill the promises they make, they're not getting it.
So holding these teams accountable is something.
It sounds like the foundation is planning on doing.
So if people are kind of on the fence and worried that we're just going to be throwing
all this money at teams and it's just going to disappear yeah i i don't think that's i don't
think that's the case yeah anything you would add there yeah i mean that is a very good point the
milestone payments kind of being more visibly integrated is part of it like teams are beholden you know by
the nature of the doubt kind of deliver on the objectives there's an upfront initial obviously
because teams do need money to get rolling i mean that's quite a you know common thing in in the
funding world but uh yeah of course then after that there's milestones and objectives and time
frames etc that teams are expected to hit and should report on, et cetera.
So, you know, the initial payment thing, definitely something people should consider because it's not like, like Paulie said, they're not getting the whole amount up front.
There's a funding rail where they obviously get the funds to then initiate their kind of their plans and then milestones after that.
So it's a good point, Polly.
It's not necessarily the whole whack, which I think is a good thing for people to consider.
Yeah, definitely.
Well raised.
Yeah, I was definitely bummed about Arcreen because personally, I think, I think they were extremely mature external team
coming to the ecosystem and definitely connected well with everyone. So I hope they make another
run at it. And, you know, hopefully we can continue to educate the community on what the
heck's going on with the grant program. I still personally think the, you know, easy way to
mess with the loan thing is unlock a loan track for maybe much larger initiatives,
upward of 100K. You can see what that looks like, but then you can have both funding paths and
experiment. And if somebody has something very large, you push them to the loan. Otherwise,
go activate a grant. But I think there's tons of things to explore here. And I know we could
probably go all day with this topic, but I want to make sure we go to, you know, some of the teams on stage first before we go to the next topic with Wanchain.
So Breaking Balls, you'll be the last point here on this before we tap Cleanify, Mugshot,
and any other teams up here that, you know, want to share just a quick high level of maybe some
major things going on in their world. So Breaking Balls, anything from you?
Oh, yeah. Just a last thought on this. Just, you know, anything from you? Oh, yeah, just a lot last thought on this,
just, you know, what we saw with some of these teams, first off, they're community driven. So,
you know, we're very defensive on new people coming. But secondly, like Bedtime and, you know,
Better Transit, they have very nicely done websites and stuff like that. I know it wasn't
very easy for Art Green to display what, how that whole process would work.
So I think that goes a long way as well.
And I think Bedtime is actually really doing it a good way right now.
They made a discourse of their proposal before it's going, you know, live for the vote.
So people can, you know, talk and chat like that.
I think that's the way moving forward because not a lot of people have time to listen to these
spaces or
Merlin, God bless him, he
talks a lot and he's
very smart but it's very hard
to digest. Little videos,
simplicities, understanding
how this all works, that's
all we need.
I couldn't agree more.
I think keeping it simple has been something that every team in Web3 has faced for the last decade.
You know, it's been the journey forever.
It's just how the heck do you explain this in layman terms where, you know, you could explain this to your grandma without holding their hand?
in layman terms where you could explain this to your grandma without holding their hand.
And I think a lot of teams in VeChain are evolving that way, but we're definitely going to need more.
I mean, I don't know about you guys. Anytime I talk to people about the DAO, it's still like, what?
They're getting money from who?
So there's still a lot of things that we have to do in terms of creating content, building more use case examples.
And I think that's going to be done, honestly, through the teams continuing to pave the way of
those really specific use cases and utilities. And so I see Cleanify just dropped. We'll have
them come back up here because I'd love to hear from them. But Piero, we never get you on stage
behind the mugshot account man um anything
going on in your world that you want to share with the community you want to talk about about
just kind of where you guys are at congratulations on the momentum obviously it's been you know a lot
of fun to see up close but i don't think this community has necessarily gotten to hear too
much from you so anything you want to share firsthand yeah hey everyone i'm uh i'm piero uh
if anyone has not uh let's say electronically meet me before i'm uh basically behind the tech uh mug
shot uh working behind the scenes uh but today got a awesome notification you know uh this x space
is coming up so i said uh let me join let me let me listen but it happens that i'm now also
speaker so hi everyone and yeah just uh just tuning in listening um like we've built an amazing
community together in the last in the last year and it's all thanks to you guys like it's all
thanks to everyone here everyone that will be tuning in, I think, later listening, everyone that, you know, for their day-to-day life,
find the time to give their minimum impact,
which together allows us to grow continuously.
And we've seen, you know, immense numbers.
Jake, Jake from VeChain, he talked about those numbers.
But behind all those numbers, there's so much work, guys.
Like you've mentioned, like keeping it simple,
it's a great concept, but trust me, it's really hard in Web3, particularly with blockchain behind the scenes.
But it's something we're trying to achieve.
Let's say at MugShot, with all the other apps also.
So yeah, I hope we've been giving some good examples uh some things we can we can learn
all together from and i'm also learning from everyone which is which is something great i
really enjoy this ecosystem uh so yeah just uh two thoughts randomly let's say we got to get you on
a poly space poly get tapiero force him out there we got to get him out of his his shy shell um he's actually
super outgoing when you uh when you get him out of it so we'll uh we'll make it happen piero um
congratulations dude on everything you're doing this ecosystem is is definitely loved seeing you
as a you know shining light an example for just explaining what the hell blockchain is and what
the dow is so keep it up, man.
Another team that's crushing that is Cleanify, man.
You guys have been around since the early days as well.
And honestly, I think one of the cool things about Cleanify was watching one of the ecosystem members, you know, who's been here for a while, kind of join forces and hop in. And so before we tap you just about some of the things going on, I mean, Flame, I assume
you're still the one behind the account.
I'd love to hear why the heck you even decided to work with this team.
You know, you've been working in this community forever.
You've got some of your own projects.
You know, what got you to say, these are some of the guys I want to spend some time working
you to say these are some of the guys I want to spend some time working more with.
more with?
Thanks, Connor and VeChain for just having us up, man. And yeah, we have a couple just PSAs,
maybe one or two call to actions. I promise Cleanify will be short and sweet today as well,
because we know how long these things go. I mean, what, like three hours, four hours, Connor?
I mean, what, like three hours, four hours, Connor?
As far as flame goes, man, I've always been tapped for working with different projects
to different extents, right?
Like once you tweet all day, every day, nonstop, eventually people notice you.
Cleanify was the first one I ever even considered saying yes to.
It was basically just because it's a direct vein from V-Chain that has kind of gone independently rogue, right?
Like Cleanify stands on its own at this point.
There's basically just Eric running the show.
And when I just saw all that play out and he had reached out and said,
look, man, I'm devving so hard and I want to be more active on social media.
So I saw it as just one of those, one of those times where I
just could not say no. So huge shout out to Cleanify. And, um, you know, I would urge every
app. If you're an app right now and you're building definitely tap social media people,
right? Like you want people replying and posting and creating and all these things. So I thought
that I'd be a pretty damn good fit at Cleanify. I'm having a
great time and I'm tapped into the community. So if you guys have any feedback, let me know.
I love to hear it, man. And I am excited to see what you guys continue to do because it looks
like you've definitely helped increase their socials. And one of the things that happened
recently that I want to give you guys an opportunity to tap was one of the updates that happened.
You guys launched an update and had the community, I think, provide some instant critical feedback.
You guys took that, went back to the drawing board, and got to work.
Can you tell us a little bit about what that was like?
Because that happened over what, just the past month?
happened over what, just the past month? Yeah, it was the past month. And forgive me if I get
some details wrong, but I believe it was either a referral or a proof of vote reward system that
we had conceptualized. And we had posted just to get some feelers out. Immediately, the community
voiced their opinion, which we want you to do. And I think it was less than six hours, man. Eric had
made a new tweet you know
made a new infographic adhered to the community's requests and again it just
goes to show why I love working for this team because I really saw a true
intention of you know I think some of their goals are a hundred percent giving
back right I like that they're working on bot mitigation and the features, which I'll talk
about in a little bit. But yeah, I mean, really Cleanify is, the dev here is working on a swivel
and it's basically all he does. If you guys didn't know, he's been doing all this while
in Osaka doing a big cleanup. I think he might've went to Korea after that and done a big cleanup.
I can't keep up with the guy, but yeah, I his work ethic is outrageous he put all of us to shame so yeah man I had to do it
and if you watch a man he's listening he's definitely listening he's like
Piero always lurking in the background but now we got him on stage ooh his hand
went up Piero what you got no I, just hearing Flame talking, it's exactly the process I went through a couple of months ago.
Eric is a good friend of mine.
And I completely agree with what Flame said.
Find someone that knows community, is able to talk with the community,
understand what the community needs, and share the feedback with us.
Because with these turtles working behind the scenes and really it can
become exhausting and it's like a bubble you know and we found the same thing
with with Apollo I know everyone most most of the region community know him a
great person and yes find yourselves flame or Apollo guys that's my message
too and if you don't have one yet, I'm going to run through and just shout people out.
I see they're fucking awesome at this shit.
Jordan Sauer, Snoozy, Uno, Chud, Seasick, Kiwi, Al Lujan, Johnny Green Ninja, Mr. Pushup.
You know, there's so fucking many, guys.
The list goes on and on.
Just go tap some people.
Look in this space right now, and I guarantee you you'll find a few.
And of course, go join some poly spaces. They're always there.
But team, we dove into the DAO. We dove into some of these individual updates.
Now it's time to say hello to one of our special guests.
But before we do, I want to make sure I go to the new speaker
who joined on stage, Erwadu. Tell me if I got that right. Any additional questions or comments
that you have here before we move forward? And the mute button might have you.
It's okay while you're figuring it out. We're going to Cleanify.
Thank you. Just a couple more things and I'll wrap it up quick. I wanted to address some bot
issues that we've been having since we first launched. We made the executive decision. We
talked a little bit behind the scenes. We made the choice to be upfront about it. We do realize
there are some bot factors going into our new app And we just want to face that head on and let everyone know we're actively seeking bot mitigation.
You know, we've got a lot of non-reward rewards going out.
So keep an eye on that.
Let's see.
Vote for us is another thing I wanted to cover.
We know a ton of people have their vote locked up in VDelegate or other staking features.
And you can kind of tend to forget where your
percentages are going so if you appreciate the work that Eric and Cleanify have been putting on
make sure you guys show that in your vote that's the number one way to show that the final thing
I'll say is I'm going to pin this up to the top here Connor bear with me bear with me oh you always
we've got a new feature called skin in the Game. And I believe our first partner of this,
I'm going to pin it up to the top here,
see if I can do that.
All right, pause your carbon.
And so I just wanted to do a quick call to action.
Any other dApps, big or small, right?
Independent or global.
Either way, if you guys are looking to partner with Cleanify,
we just want to extend that olive branch to community.
We want to extend that olive branch to DAP developers.
Even if you're brand new, don't hesitate to DM us.
We'd love to uplift other DAPs on the DAO as well.
So thank you guys for choosing Cleanify.
Make sure you check us out.
We've got all types of new features.
If you're a smoker, we have cigarette disposal.
I know that's a huge one out here.
Everyone who's in crypto smokes one way or another. Let just be honest we have quick disposals i mean there's so
many things so if you haven't opened up the app i understand cleanify was kind of clunky in the
beginning and you basically had to rally 50 people to do a cleanup in order to get any type of better
the entire system has changed i i was almost pushing eric to just change the name that's how
different it is. So check it
out, give it another try. And if you love it, give us the votes. Thank you very much, everyone,
for listening. It looks like you got a hand raised. EcoBag, anything you want to add on to this?
Yeah, man. So kind of just talk about what we're doing behind the scenes. First of all,
I go by Kig on Discord. Been pretty active in there um more than i should
be uh should be more active on twitter like uh you mentioned earlier with getting somebody dedicated
for uh you know for the twitter but um no some things that we're working on behind the scenes
is um we've heard a little bit of feedback but um is doing daily submissions um you know we're
still gonna for the ones that don't know right now we take submissions three times a week from
our users um just submitting your reusable bag as well as with your receipt um but what we
want to do as well is move into um offering an incentive to you know remind that user um to carry
their bag everywhere they go so that's why we want to offer a submission form where you can just take
a picture of your bag in action just every day you carry it so you know if you're going out to
the park and you're carrying you know a book or or whatever it have be um you can just take a picture of your bag in action just every day you carry it. So, you know, if you're going out to the park and you're carrying, you know, a book or whatever
it have be, you can just, you know, quickly take a picture of that as well as it gets you on the
EcoBag app. Of course, the reward rate is going to be a little smaller if it will be a daily
submission format, but then it also puts it right next to the bag and receipt submission to prove
that, you know, you're getting rid of those plastics and you're starting to move into more of a sustainable you know shopping method um i just
wanted to kind of throw that out there is that's one of the one things we're working on um open
to feedback as well um we see that that's a common thing that the community has in here is just
another it has some some some sort of form where the community can interact with that app each day
and you know just kind of keeps the community on their toes with, you know,
making sure they're, they're doing their part in the, in the world.
So, and then topic number two,
what we're doing is we're working on a kind of an ambassador outreach
program.
What we want to do is send out, you know,
a box of reusable bags to these different ambassadors in different
countries and have them
You know rally up their people in their areas like, you know, Japan we were from Dallas
So we're doing Dallas and on these bags. Well, you know what we plan on doing is
putting all these other daps like cleanify mugshot bedtime and
Bubbles or whoever on these bags, you know
And just kind of having an onboarding process And we want to just kind of supply the material, which is the bags and any other artwork and
stuff like that to kind of just start, you know, getting more of the, you know, more
of the outside community instead of focusing on what's already in, we want to kind of focus
on that outside community and bring them in to the actual VBetterDAO.
We see that's really strong and kind of the, the, the beginning point, maybe Jay can touch
on this, but bringing in, you know, the, the beginning point, um, maybe Jay can touch on
this, but, uh, bringing in, you know, the, the normal user, such as our, you know, our family
members or our mom or dad to, uh, into the V chain space and kind of just teaching them. And we've
kind of want to supply and support that initiative, um, by doing some sort of ambassador program,
which we're working on now, but, um, yeah, I kind of want to just put that into light and any other talking points that y'all
would have, but I know I kind of sped through. We're kind of short on time, but no, I love it
team. Obviously, you know, it's been fun chatting behind the scenes with you guys. I think you're
doing a great job and I'm excited to see more like physical solutions enter. And I think that's what
you guys are doing. It's bringing a unique, you know, kind of angle to what this DAO can look like and how we can interact with the world. One person you
absolutely need to connect with, and I'll make sure you get connected, Weixing Ren. Awesome
community member, definitely in the listeners. If you're looking for Weixing Ren, you're like,
how do you pronounce that? It looks like waxing green. Don't worry. That's what I, you know,
said the first time um but he's starting
at like a physical location i think it would be a great place to put some of your bags if you
haven't talked to him yeah no yeah definitely i'll reach out to him uh you said his name was what
again uh washing ren it's he's down there he's kind of the orange logo um with the butterfly so
i'll make sure to connect you guys after but teams go reach out this is what this shit is
about um i'm very excited to see what you guys do because i think you're a great way for us to get
kind of out of our bubble we're in in v chain exactly that's what we want to do yeah so go
make it happen and one of those dudes that tried to come up here as a speaker and it looks like
had a comment we'll uh we'll get him to cycle back with Johnny Green Ninja.
But any final thoughts from you, Jake, on this topic?
Anything DAO-related before going to our man who has been so patient over here at Wanchain?
Yeah, no, I think good points from Mika back.
I mean, the ambassador route is definitely a strong one as well like leveraging your network effects to kind of maximize reach
it's always a powerful thing in web3 so yeah just agreeing with that i'm conscious
tem is like hours ahead of me and it's already yeah i don't want to keep the man waiting yeah
we'll go there this is the final Yeah, you're the final point.
Then we've got Big Brain of Juan Shane up here, and we need to go to him.
And we're going to extend his time a little bit.
Mic check.
Mic check.
Am I good?
Am I ready?
All right.
Awesome.
I don't have a question specifically, but EcoBag, I just heard you guys said you guys are based out of Dallas.
Is that correct?
Yeah, that's correct.
Dallas, Texas, man.
All right. I also live in Dallas, Texas
I was just in downtown about 10 minutes ago. So
If you guys want to try to figure some shit out man hit me up I'm right around the corner from you
100% man probably 20 minutes away at max. We could definitely work out something
I know Dallas is a very active community and there's a lot of greenheads out there
We can definitely show the market to so for sure let's do it and you can do a lot
of push-ups while you do it um you the fucking man let's go to uh to mr ceo here who has been
so patient and hopefully got a little bit of a peek into the community how this group operates
you know some of the things they talk about because we're excited to have you be a part of it. This is something I think this ecosystem has been talking about for
so long in terms of a key part of our growth, looking outward. And it's very exciting to see
your team be one of the pieces to make that happen. And would love for this community to
poke your brain a little bit and learn more about you and how this even came to life. And before we even learn about
Wanchain and how you got here, I want to hear about you and how the heck you even got into
the world of Web3. I think it's always fun to hear people's entry point, how they got involved,
where they got exposed and navigated their way to where they are now. And so Temujin, I'd love to hear more about what the heck your journey in Web3 has been
like. Can you tell us about where it all started? Yeah, absolutely. Before hopping into my own
story, yeah, let me just say I'm loving all the chatter here. Like we said, this is one of the
first calls we've had with the VeChain community.
So I'm really looking forward to getting to meet all the different community members
and all the different projects.
We really kind of see the potential of VeChain.
So really hoping to put the time in and put the work in and really kind of prove ourselves
to a brand new community.
So that's something that's very exciting for us.
But with that out of the way, let me,
yeah, I can answer your question.
So my story is not all that dissimilar from a lot of people.
You know, my entry point was Bitcoin.
For me, it started back in 2012, 2013.
I was a grad student back then.
And, you know, you got a lot more time to just sit around and think about stuff when
you're a student than when you're working full time.
And I was, you know, trying to figure out my thesis and I was out for a run just listening
to some random podcasts.
And they just sort of mentioned Bitcoin in passing.
And like I said, this was relatively early, 2012, 2013.
So it's still
pretty, you know, you couldn't really do a lot with Bitcoin back then besides, with blockchain
back then besides Bitcoin. So all the chatter was pretty surface level, but it still kind of
awoke something in me, you know, really kind of everything just clicked into place in terms of
what I was thinking and what I was feeling as a student at that time. And then I just became one
of those annoying dudes who, you know, wouldn't shut up to all his friends in the pub talking about how cool this
Bitcoin thing was. So that was kind of my... You were really doing that, man. People really
thought you were nuts. They were like, dude, I just used that to buy a fake ID. What are you
talking about? Yeah. Unfortunately, all my old classmates now think I'm much richer than I actually am. So that is complicated things. But that was my first entry point. And I was really just more of a, you know, regular user back then, not really building anything, just kind of into it.
from then i moved to china and i was i just happened to not not for for blockchain or
anything like that just uh went to china to work and i was there in 2016 2017 when that whole ico
boom started uh kind of taking off and so much of that was happening in asia and china specifically
and that's that's really what i did my transition to work full-time in in. So I joined a project that did a successful ICO and, you know, haven't
looked back. I worked for a few different projects since then of kind of all sorts of different
shapes and sizes from like a brand new startup like this ICO project to, you know, big multinational
corporations that have a little arm, you know, that are playing in blockchain or having a blockchain experiment. So I've tried that side too. And then I joined Wanchain several
years ago. And yeah, now I'm CEO there and leading the charge in our interoperability mission.
Oh, that's so awesome. You got to experience like all of the chaos early phases too,
and kind of appreciate where we are now.
You know, it's a very different battle
than some of those early days.
And it's really cool to see you got to experience
like the grittiness of the startup
and then even working at the enterprise level.
You know, I'm curious, did you, you know, have a preference?
It sounds like you did
because you ended up spinning out your own thing.
But what was it like working on both sides of that?
Yeah, they're obviously totally different. My own personality and my own biases makes me,
I think, a better fit for the grassroots startup type thing. I get bogged down in bureaucracy, like I'm sure a lot of people on
this call do as well. So for me, I'd much prefer something agile, something quick, something that
has maybe a little more risk to it. So I'm getting a little older, so maybe that's going to change,
but definitely in my younger days, very, very happy to take on these types of risks and and really kind
of precaution to the wind and try to do something special so that that's really kind of the angle
that suits me best but i'm still very thankful for having seen um you know some of the other side to
see their thought process and it is serving me now now in the role that I have to play now.
So I'm very happy for it.
But personally, I have a warmer spot in my heart for the grassroots.
Well, I mean, I think I can speak for the whole crypto ecosystem.
We're pretty happy that you went the grassroots route because Wanchain has definitely become somewhat of a sleeping giant that isn't so asleep anymore.
You know, 40 different chains, moving tons of volume.
You know, can you tell us a little bit more about how the heck this got started?
You know, and what even Wanchain is for those that are a little unfamiliar still, you know, learning more about this new partnership?
Sure, yeah. I'll give you a high level overview. You know, I'm always unsure how technical to get. So I'll let you kind of guide me there. But I'll start with just a high level overview.
Say, when Shane, you know, we jokingly say that we're like the boomers of the crypto industry.
Oh, that's awesome.
We yeah, we launched relatively early on, you on, probably similar to era to VeChain.
So officially our launch was in 2017.
But with these kind of grassroots things, the roots are a little earlier than that, but
officially launched in 2017.
And we're an R&D focused blockchain interoperability project.
So that's a lot of words.
And it basically just means that we try to build
the infrastructure that lets one blockchain share data
or speak to another blockchain.
And we were very early on this.
These days there's two large handfuls of projects
that focus exclusively on that.
But back in 2017, it was pretty much just us
and maybe one or two other ones that don't exist anymore.
And that's just because we were really...
How do I put this?
Back in 2017, the industry wasn't the same way it was now.
But we at least had, in terms of very established blockchains, we had Bitcoin and we had Ethereum.
Sure, there's probably a couple others too, but we at least had those two. So at that point, we already knew
that the whole world wasn't going to run on a single blockchain. We at least had two.
So we needed some sort of layer to be able to connect those two or else we just have
these different siloed networks. And I still believe to this day that this would really
kind of stifle the adoption of a blushing technology, you kind of need all of
them to be able to operate as one kind of, you know, meta network, operate as seamlessly as
possible, if we really kind of want to bring on the mainstream. So that was really kind of the
driver of what got Wanchain started. Now, things have changed a lot over the years. So even our kind of
specific vision of what that looks like has had to evolve over the years. But that original
mission, that original vision, that has remained steady over the years.
Well, I think that you very much hit on what we, I think, have been talking about for, what,
a year, Jake? Interoperability is our big key buzzword.
I think that all of every ecosystem was talking about.
And you guys are quite literally facilitating that, which is so damn cool.
And, you know, starting with Bitcoin, Ethereum, seeing that problem early on and eventually,
you know, bringing in all of these other ecosystems to connect with it.
Definitely had to be a little bit of a technical challenge. But VeChain's kind of a unique beast of its own, you know, sitting over here, you know,
with our proof of authority past evolving into, you know, the future of what we are now. You know,
I'm curious about what brought this partnership to life now, you know, how did you guys connect
with VeChain Foundation and, you know, why are we moving forward now?
Yeah, you know, there's a handful of projects, VeChain, one of them that I think is a great fit for Wanchain's interoperability stack.
We go out of our way and spend quite a lot of resources, both not just money, but time as well to support, you know, traditionally not non EVM networks.
Now, I know, you know, Vechain has made some strides to become more EVM compliant, but or not compliant, but compatible.
But that is kind of something that we focus on a lot because we do think that, you know, in 2025, connecting one pure EVM to another pure EVM, that's pretty simple. A lot
of people can do that. But it's kind of, it would be kind of a shame if that's all there was to it.
You know, the non-EVMs, they offer something unique. They have a different set of pros and
cons. And, you know, this is kind of the variety that we want to make sure is preserved. And to be
frank, in specific kind of real world use cases,
you might, you want a chain that does, you know,
one thing very, very well,
even if it might struggle with other things.
So then that's where kind of interoperability
would come in.
You'd allow an application to go and take advantage
of a specific chain's, you know, unique strengths
while not kind of being locked into its,
you know, deficiencies as well.
So this is kind of our initial interest in doing some stuff with, you know, so-called
non-EVM networks.
So like I said, with an asterisk for VeChain, since they're working hard to make that easier
for developers by having a kind of EVM compatibility layer.
But in terms of how it actually came to be, you know, having been around so long, you end up just meeting a lot of different people and different projects. And in a way, you know, Web3 is still a relatively small space. So a lot of people just kind of every few years, if they change a job, you know, they'll go to different projects that are established in Web3 and blockchain. And something that you maybe really didn't even, you know, think was going to
blossom into something powerful, just comes and surprises you. And that's kind of what happened
with VeChain. You know, we were talking to an individual who at that time worked in another
project, we did a bit of work and with that project wasn't anything that really
kind of took off or became big. And then that individual ended up joining VeChain and that
was kind of the connection point. So that got the conversation started. We knew VeChain at that
point from these conversations was looking for bridges for the ability to move assets and data
from other chains to VeChain to try to build up a DeFi ecosystem,
to try to bring those billions of dollars and those millions of users from other chains to VeChain.
And then it just went from there.
You know, then it was just standard conversation.
BD kind of gave a bit of insight into how our tech works and why it's, you know,
why we consider it, you know, maximally decentralized, why we are very confident in its security and why, you know, it's been around for seven plus years and kind of explaining all the nitty gritty details.
And then both teams were kind of like, yeah, let's do it. And so then we got to work.
I love it. And Jake, I'd love to hear from you about what the experience has been like from the foundation side, looking at this team who's been around for so long, working with so many of these token giants moving significant volume and finally kind of unlocking this new world for VChain.
I mean, experience-wise, yeah, obviously, Tim and team have been phenomenal working with Ben on VWorld and Alec kind of on the R&D team.
And I mean, certainly that feedback is great.
My personal experience, Tim and his team are very willing and open to engage with teams in the ecosystem as well.
willing and open to engage with teams in the ecosystem as well to kind of you know we've
launched the bridge in this kind of i guess soft launch state right now because you know we have
plans to actually launch more kind of incentivized stuff in the future but yeah i mean tem and and
the guys are very much like keen to work with teams in the ecosystem as well so just to throw that out there it's not like a
one undone like there is a kind of ongoing desire to to like maximize the potential of what we've
got here obviously yeah vchain renaissance is a push to interoperability reaching evm parity
which probably makes my end change life easier as well down down the line, JSON.RPC, all that good stuff.
But yeah, I would just also throw out there anyone that is thinking,
hmm, how might this benefit me?
Definitely reach out to their team because they're super forthcoming.
I've had a bunch of chats with the guys over the last couple of months
and very approachable, very friendly,
and very much in the web free spirit of like,
let's do something awesome. Yeah, I'd love to double tap that. Obviously, we have a DeFi team
here that is so beloved by the ecosystem. If you haven't connected with BetterSwap already,
Temujin, I highly recommend because they're fantastic. They've been around forever. And
I have high conviction that they'll be around here
for a long time building.
And assuming you've already talked to them,
but I guess this is more of a question for you
for anybody you haven't talked to yet.
You know, if a team goes,
hmm, I might wanna go talk to Wanchain,
what is some of the things that they should
potentially be bringing to you?
Like what's a reason they should come chat with you about working with your team or seeing how you can help them?
Yeah, absolutely. We've reached out to a small handful of the DeFi applications,
BetterSwap, a couple of DEXs, lending platform, because these are kind of good natural fits for kind of bridged assets. Right now, what we've deployed is basically the ability to bring in things like USDT, USDC,
BTC, Sol, these kind of blue chip assets into the VeChain ecosystem. That's kind of one part
of what we deployed. The second part is bringing assets out of VeChain,
for example, like VET, if you want to kind of go
and make sure that you have kind of this liquidity available
on another chain to attract that audience
and give them an easy on-ramp into the VeChain ecosystem.
So these are kind of the two sides of the infrastructure
that we have deployed.
But as Jake said, you can almost say it's like a soft launch.
The bridges and all these routes themselves are fully launched. They're fully functional. Anyone can go
use them right now. But, you know, bridge is just, at least in my view, it's like core infrastructure.
It allows you to do something. But the reason to do that, you know, this comes from the applications,
The reason to do that, this comes from the applications, the use cases and a bridge in and of itself doesn't doesn't create that.
It just makes those opportunities possible.
So that's why we're talking to the DEXs and we're talking to the lending platforms to kind of slowly roll out more and more reasons why end users will want to do that.
But ultimately, it's probably helpful that we're talking to a DAO right now.
But the power of all this is really going to be in the hands of the community of the people.
We're putting in place the building blocks that will allow a vibrant DeFi ecosystem to form,
but it's only going to happen if the people make it happen. If they're the ones that really decide,
okay, we're going to put our money where our mouth is, and we're going to go and make sure there's, you know, liquidity in the DEXs,
and that the various applications are supporting the assets from other chains,
and in the reverse direction as well, you know, we're going to go make sure that
there's VET pools available on Ethereum and Avalanche and BNB chain on Solana and getting
the word out, you know, so really bridges in and of themselves are just making that possible.
It's not, it's not going to, we're not going to be able to do it alone, I guess, is what I'm trying to say.
So various projects, even community members want to come reach out.
We're very easy. Even me personally, very easy to get to.
Always happy to answer all sorts of questions in terms of specific things that they could do, if you are a project and you have a token or a coin and you want to make that token or coin available elsewhere, that's a very kind of low hanging fruit for us.
We don't charge any integration fees or anything like that. We're just here to support support builders, really.
So we today are infrastructure supports, I think, 44 different networks.
So basically any asset on VeChain can be bridged to any of these 40 plus other networks.
Similarly, if you have an app that's on VeChain and you kind of think that there is a good opportunity to, you know, build out the VeChain ecosystem by just give you a random example, you know, like, oh, there's a lot of synergies,
let's say between Cardano and and V chain communities, both are very large, very passionate,
we kind of want to make inroads to talk to them, you know, having something for like
an ADA use case on V chain, you know, that would be, you know, a little carrot that a
bridge can enable. So any kind of these ideas that involve more than one chain, then we'd be very happy for you guys to come.
Just tell us your idea and we will make the technicals happen for you.
That's kind of really where our strengths lie.
We're also just happy to brainstorm ideas. You know, we're often doing collaborations with different projects to try out maybe something that is a little more complex than just, you know, bridging value,
bridging, you know, locking USDT and minting wrapped USDT in another chain. You can have kind
of a lot more downstream logic that gets triggered via some sort of crashing transaction. So just
kind of these types of brainstorms or, you know, POCs,
these types of things too,
we're always happy to, you know, blackboard or whiteboard,
that stuff with other projects.
So, like I said, at the very, very top of this space,
you know, where we're viewing this is really kind of many months,
many years of engaging directly with the community.
So we're just going to be around. And definitely you have an idea that involves more than one chain, then we think that it's
going to be worth for you guys to reach out and talk to us.
Paul, are you getting some ideas of what to dive into? My whiteboard is getting full and I'm
getting a little excited. You have fantastic timing, bro. literally as i'm walking out of the warehouse no loud sounds
you're just you're you're talk about a pro um yeah you creepy bastard uh no i you know i'm really
i'm loving listening to tem talk here i you know anyone who knows me knows i love having
down-to-earth combos and being real and i I really like Tim, how, you know, hearing your story and, you know,
it's been great seeing some of these partnerships come into V chain, right?
You saw glow dollar and the glow team and,
and seeing a team like one chain that clearly has a good head on their
shoulders and has a great mission.
And it's exciting to see Juan Shane be part of this.
And I want to assure you, Tim, I know you've heard about my spaces.
Okay.
If my space goes six hours, you don't have to be there for all six.
I have to be there all six.
You don't.
So don't worry.
Just wanted to let you know that.
But I'm looking forward to continuing the conversation and actually digging into the weeds, getting into like the nitty gritty, the tech stuff, talking about, you know, why was this move important for V-Chain?
What was it about V-Chain that's been missing that launching fixes?
What is it you guys had to actually solve?
You know, what prevented this
from happening? I'm really, really looking forward to hearing more and giving the community a chance
to ask some more questions. So you guys out there, if there's anything still on your mind after this
conversation ends and you still have questions, ping me, put a comment in here and we'll, we'll try to get to them all Friday, but just, just
really excited to, to connect on Friday and, um, and, and learn more about you guys, but I'm loving
what I'm here so far, Tim, Tim, I'm enjoying this. And I like, well, thanks for clarifying about the
length. I was, uh, I was getting scared, uh, feeling much better now looking forward to the
conversation on Friday.
And yeah, to anyone who's going to be joining that, you know, we're just come grill us.
You know, we're happy to take tough questions.
And yeah, we don't really, I heard some swears later, so I'll do a half swear.
You know, we don't really kind of BS, you know, if there's, if there's, you know, everything
has pros and cons, everything has trade trade offs in any kind of design decision. We're not one of those projects that are just, you know,
pretending that those don't exist, you know, so we'll be happy to explain, okay, these
are the design decisions we made. Here's, here's what that means. Here's what that enabled
here. Here's what that here's the consequence of that on the other side, it means that you
can't do this or here are the kind of risk factors you have to be aware of. So we're happy to go kind of down to the nitty gritty of
everything launching, but also everything just bridges in general on Pauly's talk next Friday
or this Friday. I love it. And we definitely will, because I assume you've got some people
thinking, I'm looking at you, Jordan Sauer down there there who are going to end up tapping you. So stay tuned.
But I still want to talk a little bit about what's gone on since we've had this soft launch.
Before we let you go and we release you to the six-hour space with Polly, tell us a little bit more about what it's been like the past two weeks.
We've recently launched.
Tell us a little bit about the volume, some
of the expectations and where you guys are going.
Yeah, sure. So, God, has it been two weeks already? Time flies. But like I said, basically
the bridges are now live. We launched them on five different chains plus V chain. So six in total, meaning you can bridge directly from Ethereum, Bitcoin natively, Solana, XRP Ledger and Wanchain.
We have our own L1. So from the Wanchain network itself. But our infrastructure, like I said, supports 40 plus different networks. So our infrastructure is kind of unified. So even though certain routes
have not been enabled yet, V-chain is still kind of like technically connected to all 40 plus of
these chains. So in the coming weeks and months, you're going to see us, you know, it's not zero
engineering work, but the bulk of the work is done. So it's a relatively easy affair now to open routes for new routes,
meaning both chains and assets to and from VeChain and these 40 plus other chains. So
you're definitely going to see more and more routes, more and more pathways to VeChain
opening up. Over the past few days, I know our team has been reaching out to some, you
know, like I said, a small handful of the projects on VeChain.
This is really just to kind of get that baseline DeFi activity trying to kickstart it.
Lending platforms, DEXs and the like.
So this will be kind of the real focus probably for the first, at least the first couple of months,
trying to build this up on VeChain, trying to get some buy-in from the DApps and the communities to support these
bridged assets, making sure that we are understanding, you know,
what assets that they want to bring into the community and what the community
themselves want to see enter V-Chain. So that'll kind of be phase one.
We don't approach these with like a expectation in terms of numbers.
We just kind of grind away at them.
So that's why I'm not kind of saying
like we're going to get this and this is not this volume
or anything like that.
So this is just something where we don't know
how long it takes, but we know that if we keep at it,
we're going to hopefully get it into kind of a good place.
Then phase two.
So Wanchain itself or ourselves have a handful of in-house cross-chain applications.
These are things like cross-chain swaps, staking platforms, some kind of incentivized bridging features.
And so this will be kind of phase two.
So once we have the kind of baseline use cases established in the VeChain ecosystem, like I said, this means, you know, liquidity pools, farming pools on the DEXs and, you know, asset support on the lending protocols.
You know, then we'll start activating those, incentivizing people to kind of be bridging the assets into VeChain without having those kind of baseline DeFi use cases in place, you know, we could incentivize people to bridge,
but people will bridge into VeChain
and realize there's nothing to do there
with the bridge assets.
And, you know, that's kind of a bad experience for everyone.
So we want to make sure we're doing things,
you know, in the right order.
And then kind of phase 2.5, phase three,
we'll be working on the other direction, you know, having kind of like a reach out effort with kind of the probably the VT token specifically.
I think has a little more recognition than VTHO out there right now, but things like making it usable in our cross chain swap, for example.
chain swap, for example. So that will enable people to basically from any of these chains
that we support to swap to and from VET on V-chain natively from any of those chains.
So you could do something like USDC on Avalanche straight to VET, or you could do VTC on Bitcoin
straight to VET and these types of like cross chain interactions. So that'll be that phase 2.5,
phase 3. The reason why we don't lead with that is because we think there's better long-term value
in trying to build up the DeFi ecosystem on VeChain itself. So that's why that's phase one.
We don't want to kind of try to cannibalize by doing too many things at once. So that's kind of
how we're thinking about it. And then, like I said, we're not setting these types of targets that we have to do this
volume or anything like that in terms of the number of transactions or the dollar value of
the transactions, but that's the plan right now. Oh, this is awesome. And I love the multi-phased
approach. I think it really paints a clear vision of how you guys are going to grow with us. And I love your focus on not just working alongside the foundation, but the teams within this community.
have working in other ecosystems doing things right and i think it's reassuring to all of our
listeners here hearing that hey they've got an opportunity to share their voice you know interact
as you know maybe a smaller team you know as traditionally v chain isn't the biggest pond
compared to some of these other ones you play in and so to have that opportunity to connect with
you hear your team's experience user resources resources. I mean, absolutely incredible. And so appreciate you guys even providing this to this ecosystem.
You know, Pauly, anything from you while Jake plays tag back and forth,
trying to get back up here?
Elon's really got to clean up his act, doesn't he?
Holy smokes.
No, I just, again, I just want to reiterate, this is great.
You know, I've been hearing for years, you know that what's missing in VeChain, the DeFi.
We've seen teams like BetterSwap, as was mentioned, and Safe Haven,
others that have been working in the ecosystem to bring things.
But you get to a point where sometimes you need to look outside to get that help built.
And to see Wanchain this uh is massive for the
future of v chain i'm really excited i mean i saw what a screenshot of someone swapping veto with
bitcoin or something i almost almost crapped my pants it was incredible uh so um i'm really excited
to see the future for v chain and and talk more about, you know, what kind of doors this is going to open up for this ecosystem and how it can really help us grow.
So thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Tim, for joining. And again, looking forward to talking with you Friday, man.
Another person I'd love to tap who has been patiently up here and was so luckily at that awesome UFC card in Nashville with our man Flame, Shazam and Data previously.
JChains, you've been all over Web3, man.
And it's fun to see you continue to connect with the VeChain ecosystem, continue to make this one of your homes here.
to make this one of your homes here.
You know, what's it been like looking in
and seeing some of these things
about where VeChain is going,
what we're working on right now and talking about
compared to some of these other ecosystems
you interact with?
Because I think it's great to have you
bring your experience here
because of just how deep you are
across Web3 in general.
So, you know, anything you can share about it.
And like I said, great to have you up here again.
It's been a while.
Absolutely. Well, first off, thanks for having me up here. Thanks to everybody that tuned in, tapped in, has been hanging out, doing the thing.
I mean, y'all are the real heroes. But, you know, for me, it's if you've listened to my show and I'm really excited.
I'll get to this in a second. Really excited. I got a couple of the projects coming on this week.
And I think we're really going to dive in hard and really start to integrate a lot more into this because like what you just said where i've found myself and i've
been in crypto for too long and yeah we all have fun with the meme system we all have fun with you
know the other things that go on in this space but at the end of the day a lot of things about crypto
need to mature and you know i think along with that is the utility aspect of what we see with
crypto and let's take a look at some of the things that VeChain itself does, right?
Like when we're talking about trying to level up, I mean, you got the Walmart partnership in China where they have basically taken care of food tracking and tracing so that people can have a little more confidence in there.
I mean, that's some real life stuff.
That's massive, right?
You think about, you know, some of the other integrations that they've had. I know it's been like test pilots or programs
with BMW and Pricewater Coopers
and all sorts of these like real life interactions
and engagements that are changing the game, right?
Now let's peel it back.
What really, like where I'm so focused right now
is with the VBetterDAO ecosystem.
And I think this is such a unique opportunity
for any one of us.
And I, you know, I talk about this in a space on my show, and I think it was in Pauly's
show, which thanks for having me up on your stage the other day as well, is that we have
this unique opportunity to engage with people that may not have had too many, you know,
touch points with crypto.
And I gave the example of my wife.
I've been in crypto since 2017, and there's never been anything that connected the dots for her until I started participating in the VBetterDAO ecosystem.
And she's like, what are you doing?
Oh, I'm just taking a picture of my coffee and then I'm going to get some crypto.
So what did you say?
So we go through it again.
And then, you know, it's the bubbles.
And then we go to scoop up and, you know, we're trying out all these different things in the ecosystem.
And now I've got my wife making on-chain transactions every single day. And this
is what it took. And I think everybody can use that as an example of this is some real life
utility and it's integration into crypto. And it is like the easiest onboarding you could imagine.
And the barrier to entry, I don't think has been easier. All of us that have been in the space for
a long time, we know, you know, you're like, you got to teach somebody about seed phrases and yada, yada, yada. Like, yeah,
you still have to do this with the V World wallet, but it's just, it's not as difficult when you just
put it into normal everyday things that I think the biggest selling point is that most of these
dApps and apps are doing things that we're doing already, right? We're already drinking coffee and
tea. We're already picking up after our dog. We're already, everybody's got a Stanley or a Yeti, right? Everybody's drinking water
sustainably. So, and if you've got a Tesla, you have to charge the thing. So you might as well
get paid to do it and maybe offset some of the cost. And so, you know, these are just some of
the things that I have found so exciting about this ecosystem that I'm chomping at the bit to
tell more people, like, I want to start going to all the coffee shops in my local area and say,
you've got to integrate this somehow.
Let's figure out a way.
Let's find smart ways to do this.
Let's go to – I've got to talk to Bubbles because I went on a road trip to Nashville.
We'll talk about that.
Okay.
So with Bubbles, stopping at gas stations and stopping at places where you don't have maybe an outside water station,
but it's at a gas station, it's open to the public, that kind of thing.
You know, maybe we don't need to geotag every one of these locations.
But, you know, we've these again, they're just they're things that everybody's doing
every day.
And how could you not want to get on board with this?
And so I think I said to you yesterday, Pauly, I get so excited.
I'm super long winded.
I hope that I answered your question.
And let's go. Very excited, my friend. And I think, you know, the thing you're hitting on is
we have something super unique here. Wanchain's recognizing it. We're lowering the barrier to
entry for actual volume to come in and participate in the ecosystem. A lot of things are lining up.
I mean, I'm looking down on our listeners here and, you know, shout out to a legend that was speaking to us not too long ago,
Mr. Johnny Garcia. You know, I'm sure he's pretty excited about this new opportunity,
and it's only going to help him and his conversations trying to bring on institutional
capital. And so I guess, you know, my last question to you, Juan Shane, you know, first,
thanks for going a little long with us and really excited to dive deeper as you continue to connect with the community.
But my last question to you is, you know, do you have any call to action for any of us?
You know, is there anything we can be doing as community members to just continue supporting your guys' mission, integrating with the ecosystem, or anything we can keep an eye out for?
Yeah, absolutely. I think, like I alluded to briefly, a bridge alone doesn't do anything.
You need people that are going to be crossing the bridge. And similarly, a DeFi,
a vibrant DeFi ecosystem doesn't just happen.
So we kind of need everyone's buying if we want this thing to take off. We need the applications that are already on VeChain to please come reach out to us and we can figure out how to either you use the bridge assets or we do something else with you based on what we brainstorm.
That's kind of one piece.
But then we need the kind of community members to also support those applications you know if there is like a lending platform or decks
that is now um you know bringing in trying to bring in this liquidity um and supporting these
assets from other chains you know that we need users to actually um use them um a lot of the
people on this call i'm sure hold assets in other chains as well so it's not it's a pretty small thing i think to come bring it into to v chain if you're you know committed as a community to make defy
a reality on v chain so we kind of need everyone to to buy in work together we're committed to that
we'll keep joining uh these types of spaces and we're always accessible um both to the community
members and the the project so that's kind of a high level statement
a secondary thing to the projects themselves very keen to work with all of you like i said
we started reaching out slowly to to a small handful but if we haven't reached out to you
please reach out to us we're you know very very welcoming. And no matter if you're a big or small project,
doesn't matter.
We're here to try to help you guys.
So do reach out to us.
And then the final call to action will be,
come join us on Friday with Polly
and grill us with your tough questions.
Temujin, man, thank you so much for joining us.
This was so much fun to listen to your journey, hear more about you and just how this all got started so that, you know, we can peel away the first layers of that onion and, you know, continue to dive deeper on Friday.
Because I have a feeling this will be the first of many conversations of you interacting with this community, learning more about the lore of how tall Pauly TV is,
and of course having a lot of fun along the way.
Jake, anything from you here before we get ready to have you kind of take over
now that you hopefully figured out what was going on with the back and forth?
But anything from you as we wrap up this section with Wanchain?
But anything from you as we wrap up this section with Wanchane?
Yeah, just to echo, you know, the sentiment, like, yeah, reach out.
Never be afraid to approach people, share links, you know,
just make those initial kind of bridges and communicate with people
because that's obviously how as an ecosystem we foster kind of mutual growth
yeah just be engaged with each other obviously one chain presents an opportunity for us to
bridge to other chains open doors to other chains you know it's a very valuable piece of technology
and and team who are very forthcoming very helpful yeah I just think it's a great moment for us as an ecosystem,
because, you know, we've got a very committed, large community
that's been here for a long time and kind of for the first time,
we've really had an opportunity to expand that beyond our borders.
You know, we've got ecosystems we're close with.
Well, this kind of gives us a real opportunity to actually build into those ecosystems and create something more kind of
you know expansive so i think it's a phenomenal opportunity so yeah just echoing what demogen
said essentially um don't be afraid to reach out and even to myself you know you got links you got
things going on don't be afraid to reach out.
We're always here to support. Jake, don't, don't click any links. Be careful. Um, we'll click.
Yeah, we'll click them for you. But anyway, Pauly, uh, you probably shouldn't click links.
Um, but Pauly, anything from you, man, as we wrap this up, I know you're going to get ready to,
uh, to poke his brain a little more in a few days.
But any final thoughts before heading over to poke Jake on Stargate?
No, no.
I'm interested to hear what Jake has to say.
Let's get right to it.
All right, Jake.
So we've already had some spaces on this.
There's been a Medium article, tons of updates, and it doesn't look like they're going to slow down.
But give us the quick pitch so that we can dive into some of the other topics.
What the heck even is Stargate?
Yeah, Stargate. Good segue there. great there so yeah obviously it's our new staking product it's built essentially to revitalize
revamp the the staking environment on vchain making economic nodes great again you know so
to to borrow a questionable phrase but obviously you know revitalizing a lot of the rewards
mechanisms for a lot of our followers and obviously making them more attractive
moving forward it's kind of got this institutional grade tagline attached because of course when we
move to the Hayabusa phase of the renaissance roadmap we're going to be opening up this
delegated validator uh model and we're inviting a bunch of new validators into the ecosystem. There will be media to follow, so keep eyes on that.
But against the backdrop of Be Better,
this kind of push to real-world utility applications, et cetera,
yeah, definitely seeing a lot of institutional interests as well,
people that want to take a stake.
And obviously Stargate becomes our conduit to allow these institutions
to access this as well and support us through their investment
there. So it's a multi-faceted tool, it's obviously a responsive thing based on feedback we've had
over the years, we know the rewards program, well we've obviously reformatted the rewards program
to make it more rewarding for people to be here. Also it provides a, you know, opens a vehicle to
provide greater economic security for the blockchain. So anyone who's familiar with
proof-of-stake blockchains, obviously we're migrating to this weighted, delegated proof-of-stake
model. I know acronyms galore, but ultimately provides great security, decentralizing the chain,
inviting new participation from large players
that can obviously help further our objective.
So it's this multifaceted thing,
but ultimately at its core,
it's a more accessible means
for a new generation of holders to get involved,
to stake, to be involved,
to earn rewards from their participation in the ecosystem.
We kind of refer to it as this you know
we've gone from this passive model where people held that they generated VIFO wherever it was held
to this more active model where you know in the Hayabusa once Hayabusa goes live after December
you know you actively stake your VET to get the rewards and obviously that has secondary and tertiary benefits for the
tokenomics around massively reducing VIFO inflation and just bringing benefits to the
core tokenomic model specifically around you know transaction volumes burn rates etc so it's creating
a more kind of economically attractive slash secure environment a more decentralized environment and also just
aligning with macro trends specifically obviously the US the way they're moving into
green lighting proof of sake networks and all that kind of good stuff and obviously in Europe
we've had the MECAR compliance you know I was kind of hitting that with VET and VIFO it's just aligning much more cleanly with a an evolving regulatory landscape obviously to give a bit of the blurb
and the background you know the tokenomic model was built for an environment where institutions
enterprise they were hesitant to get into blockchain they didn't know what was going on
regulators didn't know what was going on everyone was a bit like oh um but yeah you know this is our response to an evolving landscape and it's
very timely i think you know the fact that stargate arrived at the same time as of these emerging
kind of regulations in the u.s in particular which obviously is a key driving force for a lot of
technological development is is super well aligned and and
that is reflected in the list of institutional clients that are like heck yeah we want to say
you know we want to be involved with what you're doing because they do love be better they love the
the mission statement they love the the narrative and they love the growth story that's attached to
that so yeah it's um that's in a nutshell,
it's not really a nutshell, but you know, well, you hit my next question of, you know,
what the driving force was. And it sounds like it was a lot of macro trends and,
you know, preparing for just playing the game a little bit, which makes sense. You know,
you've heard it even in sunny space yesterday, Hey, we're becoming closer friends with, you know,
Donald Trump through Dana White, you know, and getting closer friends with, you know, Donald Trump through Dana White,
you know, and getting closer to the United States administration, learning more about what they
need to do and, you know, bring awareness to V-Chain. So, I mean, makes sense and is super
exciting. And it sounds like you guys already have some early traction to this. You know,
can you tell us a little bit about what adoption has been like so far over the past two weeks? What's TVL looking like?
Yeah, great segue.
So we've hit like 120-ish mil TVL in a couple of weeks, which obviously for the V-chain environment is a great boon.
Oh, God.
Hello?
Oh, you're good.
We got you.
My laptop, sorry.
Okay, my laptop went on standby.
And I didn't know what was going on. Yeah. So, you know, we've never been massively focused on the DeFi kind of TV and stuff.
But obviously now this gives us a real strong kind of growth narrative in this direction, which is a big kind of, you know, headline figure for a lot of people that are interested in the space.
big kind of you know headline figure for a lot of uh people that are interested in the space so
when it comes to broader adoption into the web free world this is a very attractive um
kind of environment and of course having one chain here obviously really bolsters that that kind of
narrative element as well because of course now there's a headline figure which people are like
oh wow that's amazing and then now there's a an entry
point you know it just creates a lot of um visibility but also now we've got the inroads
uh so yeah i think all in all it's been a great success at the gate and obviously we're going to
keep trying to push that beyond the v the v chain you know community. Also trying to reach the older community. An interesting
observation is actually a lot of the nodes that have spun up thus far are newer holders.
So our OGs that have been around forever, they've obviously got their bags and it's
quite an interesting observation that actually a lot kind of nodes that have been spun up are new holders so we're by proxy we can kind of see we've got a lot of
new interest which is probably you know partly because of the fact we have this more retail
oriented uh dap ecosystem we've got a lot more builders we have a lot more of that interactive
element now so that's that's great That speaks to our kind of adoption story,
certainly in the more recent generations of user,
but definitely need to tap into the OGs as well,
get them on board.
We don't want to leave anyone behind.
No, and I completely agree.
And I think that's going to be the toughest group
to get on board because, you know,
this group has been through a lot of changes,
has seen a lot. I think you've seen some people even because you know this group has has been through a lot of changes has seen a lot
i think you've seen some people even you know get vocal about i'm still unsure as to why we're you
know doing this and you know why i've got to lock my vet up um but you know hearing where we're
going what we're trying to do you know and attracting this institutional adoption chasing
these metrics you know it makes sense when you're starting to put these pieces together.
And I assume that you guys have a goal that you're shooting for of,
hey, we're trying to hit this point because we know this point is going to start to potentially turn some heads.
You know, do you got a metric you want to shoot out there for us?
Kind of like the 100 DApps milestone.
You know, is there a TVL milestone that you guys are shooting for or that you
you know care to share I mean obviously TVL can fluctuate based on market kind of conditions but
definitely in terms of the the VET fundamentals I think you know the goal is 30-40% stakes at
that point we've got this real kind of economic security baked in so uh that's that's kind of a key objective and i
think we're kind of like eight eight nine percent so far i think we've hit oh god i should have
looked to start it before you know in this uh in this space but five bill around five bill obviously
86 billion total in circulation so whatever percentage of that that is but i mean for two weeks in i think it's a
phenomenal uh example of like you know engagement so continuing to push that and we'll be pushing
that much harder of course we have a lot of large channels we can leverage on that front the first
month has been kind of education and kind of getting the resources out there. Not even the first month. Jeez.
Oh, my God.
Crypto timeframes.
I was going to say, we're two weeks.
First two weeks.
Oh, my God.
Yeah, so definitely, obviously,
banging the drum on that in the immediate term to our kind of core community.
But there will be a lot more emphasis
on broadening that scope over the coming months.
Of course, we've got a bunch of stuff outlined
in our marketing plans and how we're going to do that but yeah it's uh i've waffled and i've gone
off i've gone off point no this is this is why i like this because now i get to you know pull
off the little tidbits that you probably weren't supposed to share that's great um no you're doing
a great job i guess the last little thing i'll try to pull out of you before you know going to
one of the uh community members up here that just joined is, you know, was there any hurdles you guys faced in the launch that maybe you weren't expecting?
You know, even post launch in these last two weeks that you've reflected on and, oh, wow, we ended up spending a lot more time here. You know, maybe this was something we were unprepared for. You know, anything that you guys can reflect on and share in terms of things that
maybe didn't go to plan or things that you're still trying to jump over?
Yeah, I mean, it's a good point. There's always that invisible element to tech launches. You
think you've got everything mapped out and then inevitably some holes appear. So it's always a
case of learning. I actually think based on history, this has been a pretty smooth launch.
We've had very few issues, very, very few technical bugs,
maybe a few minor UI things initially that we've obviously adapted
and overcome very quickly.
But I would say as a tech launch, it was very seamless.
So shout out to the dev team behind it.
It's quite a significant shift. launch, it was very seamless. So, you know, shout out to the dev team behind it. It definitely,
you know, it's quite a significant shift. We're migrating the entire old rewards model.
You know, I know there was a couple of challenges which are being rectified about, you know, the user flow to staking X-rays and stuff. So, but i mean as tech launches go there's always going to be
challenges but i do i was very impressed by how kind of well this launched it's always that thing
of like okay you've you've built this thing and you push it into the world and then you know it's
out there and um but yeah it's been great to see the engagement over 8k nodes now I mean we've already
doubled the amount of nodes there were previously
and obviously
it's only two weeks so
we will keep going, keep pushing
and keep growing that number
because ultimately
we want to put everyone's VET to work
and obviously the knock-on benefit down the line
is with the tokenomics upgrades that are coming like this specifically participating VET to work. And obviously the knock-on benefit down the line is with the tokenomics upgrades that are coming,
like this civilly participating VET,
it massively boosts the tokenomics.
So it's mutual benefits around.
The network benefits from this kind of decentralization
and security component.
People benefit from the tokenomics upgrades
and how that impacts inflation and all these things
that have obviously been common talking points throughout the years so you know vchain's always
listening we've we've literally redesigning or not redesigning but you know we're migrating the
entire consensus to build a better model for the entire kind of community based on that feedback
so you know there's always going to be little niggles, naturally.
But, I mean, yeah, again, just shout out to the tech team
because these guys are on it.
We just went to Japan, obviously, as some of you may be aware,
and I was speaking to a couple of the core dads,
and they're like, oh, yeah, we've already got VIPs
for Hibuza mapped out.
I was like, okay.
But, yeah, just crazy.
They're already, like, ready to roll.
They're like, come on, let's get going.
Let's get going.
Very excited to begin the next chapter.
So, yeah, credit to the core protocol team.
They are monsters.
No, I'm blown away at the fact that this went so smoothly so far.
You know, it's a protocol, you know, core fundamental upgrade.
And it looks like things are
going great so shout out to the crew knock on wood everyone and you know let's continue this
smooth sailing of uh shifting the way this ecosystem is going to operate um and i'd love
to tap some of the community members that joined us here an individual that we shouted out a little
earlier for those that are like waxing green. No, this is watching run.
Watching run.
Welcome to the stage.
You legends.
I hope all is well in your worlds.
Anything that you have to add to the conversation,
any comments,
questions,
or just enjoying the vibes.
I will definitely enjoying the vibes.
Thanks Connor for having me up here.
I know we're working on winding this down,
but I did want to introduce myself to you go bag um i don't think they're up for anymore but um i am trying to open a storefront
and this isn't just for eco bag but any any daps out there that maybe want to have something in a
window for now because i'm not ready to open the store but i can you know we can have people walking
by and looking at your stuff even if i'm not ready to sell something. That's something I just thought of.
Outside of that, outside from the store, I've got one comment for Wanchain.
Wanchain?
Wanchain.
Wanchain.
Wanchain.
Okay.
I'd like, on Polyspace, I'd like to hear what you think of SafeSwap and SafeHaven and their model with the AtomicSwap and how it compares to your
system. Oh, I love that. Honestly, it would be cool to even see if we could get SafeHaven on.
I saw they were in here earlier, but that would be great, Pauly, to make sure that we cover,
because I think that their AtomicSwapping protocol has some different things, and hopefully
Wanchain's even talking to them like they are,
hopefully with BetterSwap and others.
Great fucking point with their washing run.
Paul, you take that note?
Yeah, no, it's funny you mention that because Jake knows.
There was some discussion earlier in the week about,
is this the first bridge?
And I got some clarification on that.
So actually, I do think this would be a good topic to bring in and you know
Acknowledge because I think this is something that a lot of us don't recognize, you know, this terminology
You know we have atomic swaps and in bridges and all these different things and how they operate
So if safe haven would like to join the chat'd be more than happy to have him come on
and join the conversation and make an even bigger conversation about, you know, how launching
coming in helps bolster what, you know, they were part of continuing to build as we move
forward.
So I'm in.
Let's see if we can make it happen.
Great question, Legend.
Anything else you have there?
Otherwise, we'll make sure that that gets added to the list.
That's all I've got on my notes.
Just been listening and happy to be here.
Well, it's good to have you here, and I'm excited to see more teams interact with you.
It's going to be a great way to get out of our bubble.
We were talking about it earlier with EcoBag and having them start to display V display v chain outside of our little ecosystem that we're in that's not so little
anymore um so it's going to be nice to get some more physical representation of that well done
i see another legend on stage who joined us who is probably very interested in a lot of this
cross-chain shit i don't know why he might have a van that he's traveling the country with um
flawed welcome to the stage,
my friend. How are things in your world? Busy, busy, busy. Trying to get back on the move and
head back east sometime soon. I'm out just outside of LA right now. But yeah, I do. I do have a big
rig, a 1974 Winnebago with plenty of marketing space on it. I also have my buddy's Cybertruck and his
Airstream that are fully ready for marketing. So we've also got another rig on the East Coast
right now that's running Cardano nodes and an SPO mobile. And he figured out how to run his
Starlink directly off his batteries, which was a huge win. And five new rigs that have joined us from Australia.
So we've expanded massively over the last month.
Pluto, I'm looking at you.
Yeah, yeah.
We're all about the marketing, man.
We got rigs on both continents.
Let's figure out where that aligns with VeChain and everything that is going on here. The VBetterDAO has been
in conversation multiple times over the last couple of weeks. One for a personal friend,
and I'm not giving anything away about his idea because I think it's sheer genius.
And I don't want someone to front run him on it, but I'm trying to talk him into building an app
for the BetterDAO as well,
that I'll say, I'll go so far as to say that should save turtles,
and that's kind of his mission.
But I've also talked to some,
like local historic museums and such
about the DAO and how they could potentially
use something like that to fund,
in one case in Corona, California here,
we stayed at a harvest host a couple days ago and they had this really cool museum,
train museum, all these artisans and craftsmen there working, woodworkers and fine artists
and so on. They have a hotel that was tore down in this town many, many years ago,
and it's sitting in these five storage containers out front. And they plan on rebuilding this,
but they've been having difficulty raising the $5 million to do so. And I said, look,
this is the type of thing that you could potentially fund through the right type of
initiative with the VBetterDAO or Cardano,
because both parts of that came into the conversation. So definitely out here working
it, man, with or without sponsorship and with or without the financial support of
both or either ecosystem. We are pulling it off and we're getting it done. I've been on a four
year mission to get this 1974 Winnebago Brave that I've got now, and I have it about to take it 1,900 miles back across the country to the Midwest
and visit my kids a little bit before I hit the Northeast, Southeast, and Louisiana
on my way back to get the rest of the states I need for all 50,
and then I'll be back out in Arizona for the fall is the theory at least.
But, yeah, man, a lot has been going on.
It sounds like good things.
So teams, if you're somehow unfamiliar with FLAWD and you're needing some extra support,
I mean, it was mentioned in the VBetterDAO section by multiple people.
You saw what Cleanify did with Flame.
You saw what Apollo and Mugshot have done.
You know, I'm assuming that we're going to see more of these community members and individuals take part in supporting teams' missions, even if it's a small piece.
I think Flawed is a great resource for a lot of you guys that are looking for that extra help, extra exposure.
Go take a look.
Chat with them.
As you can see, you can definitely have a long conversation with this guy for a lot of good reasons.
So add an extra 15 minutes to the call.
Fucking love you, man.
Always great to chat with you.
And congratulations on the success.
VeChain Foundation, Jake, you guys got to be watching this guy closely.
Another dude that joined us on stage here that I want to make sure we get to before we go to community questions, because we are going to be a little bit over, is Cube.
Cube, welcome to the stage.
Any final thoughts, questions from you on Stargates,
or just anything we've gone over today?
Hey, thanks for having me up, guys.
Yeah, no, I'm very excited about Stargate.
That sounds super interesting.
I'm big on cross-chain.
I'm chain agnostic, so Pauly knows that so i'm all kind of all over the place i actually wanted to jump up
really quick because i heard uh washing ren talking about uh eco bags i'm on eco bags uh
team actually so if you would like to yeah let's talk man i can get you in contact with them um
offline if you'd like so yeah let me know dude that sounds
very interesting yeah i would love to um you know i'm building ideas right now taking notes and all
that um i'm not ready to open the store but we will we will get there sensational yeah let's talk
man i think that's a very interesting prospect that is how it's done team that makes my day
and i think that's a perfect perfect way to like wrap
up one of the final action items from this space outside of some of the community questions that
might draw some more so jake stay tuned be on your fucking toes um but jake any final thoughts
from you here on stargate anything that we're missing that you want to share with the community
i know we're going to have more spaces about this.
I just wanted to make sure we hit on it briefly just because it is the monthly update space and damn, this happened in the last two months, man.
Kind of a big one.
Yeah, just, you know, continue to kind of keep doing the great things people are doing and i see a lot of people sharing and and
you know the platform and creating awareness like that's the key thing for us right now
so yeah just keep being awesome keep doing the uh keep creating awesome content obviously
i can amplify it but on vchain like we want to support community as much as possible there so
yeah nothing major to
add other than thank you everyone for creating such great firestorm around it we've seen millions
of impressions across hundreds of tweets you know it's been phenomenal like seeing people's
engagement so love you guys thank you very much appreciate it keep it up we will obviously bring
more fuel to the fire in the coming weeks we We've got some cool events coming up and some developments with institutional partners, et cetera, that will obviously light a fire as well.
So, yeah, just keep being awesome.
And we will have plenty more to share.
Paulie, do you have tables in your car to flip or did you make it home to flip tables?
I'm currently in the McDonald's drive-thru right now.
So unfortunately, no tables.
But they will be flipped in a short amount.
What's the order?
Just a classic double cheeseburger and snack rack.
Nothing fancy.
Nothing fancy.
GG. Man, tangent. Sorry, guys. Yeah, pan. Oh, my God. gonna smack right thank you nothing fancy nothing fancy bg man tangent sorry guys but
yeah pan oh my god mcdonald's in japan insane like they're doing it on a whole other level i'm just
gonna say that i feel like everything in japan is insane i haven't seen a video come out of japan
that i'm like oh i'm like oh that's really not futuristic at all or way ahead of where we are.
It's fucking awesome.
Seasonal menu is crazy.
Yeah.
That's crazy to even think about.
Seasonal menu.
Anyway, Jake, let's go to the final community questions.
We're going to keep you long.
I'm not going to try to go a half hour too long, but we'll see what we can do.
So let's speed through these. We've got a few of them that already got answered, but there are a few that didn't. One is kind of on the grant proposals that we were talking about earlier.
It comes to us from VChainReddit. SyllabubKindly4354 asked, is there a way for the foundation to communicate with the community after a grant proposal has been passed for acknowledgement of how they will enact and monitor the proposal?
Yeah, of course.
And we need to be better there.
We do try to acknowledge and give periodic updates, but process-wise wise we can 100% improve. Of course in the kind of
honouring transparency, yes of course we need to make sure that's more clearly communicated.
We do use X but of course that kind of is quite fleeting and I realise that not everyone actually
sees those tweets so definitely to explore options about how we do that but of course
like when a proposal passes we are like duty bound to deliver on those kind of upgrades so
yeah definitely open to discussing how we can deliver that in a more visible way i think reddit
you know i think we need to we need to get back to reddit a bit reddit is a great medium for
having conversations,
creating threads.
You know, I was born from Reddit.
I love Reddit.
And the V-chain Reddit has been a great hub
of activity and conversation for many, many, many years.
So I think that could be a great new home
and a new place to create these threads.
Because we have discourse,
but, you know, it's definitely not as known as
reddit so just putting it out there i think reddit is due for a revival i'm sure the uh individuals
over there will be very excited to hear this so we'll relay those updates um we actually have a
second one coming from vchain reddit same individual um and i believe this was talked a
little bit
actually last week from another individual
and got, you know, or last spaces
and got kind of built on.
We've had brief talks about creating
a possible oversight board committee
to fast track first round proposals
in the early stages of the DAO.
We're trying to make multiple improvements
and Sunny asked us to limit
what we can add to each proposal.
So it really drags things on. What are the possibilities of enacting a board of community members and community representatives to help push some of these first proposals through?
Anything you have here? I know we've kind of evolved past that with this new grant program.
But, you know, any thoughts on this? that with uh this new grant program but you know
any thoughts on this because i know this was a talking point a few uh few months ago yeah i mean
it's an interesting point for sure i think that consensus has to be created amongst bchain and
the community so i wouldn't want to state anything empirical and be like yes this is what we'll do
because obviously nature of dao we we all have to weigh in on that.
But I mean, if there's consensus, then of course, it's something we can look at.
But yeah, I wouldn't say any more than that at this point, just because it requires a
bigger conversation.
That makes sense.
Well, maybe we tap that one a little further.
We'll see what VeChain and Reddit has to say about this, and if that's something we want to talk a little bit more about.
We'll head over to Twitter for the final twos.
This one comes to us from a legend of the community, Asher Land.
Asher Land asked, VeChain's made significant strides in enterprise adoption, particularly in supply chain with companies like BMW or Walmart China. As the VBetterDAO and better incentivize sustainable actions at the consumer level,
how do you envision balancing enterprise-grade solutions launching on the DAO to make VChain a household name?
It's a great question.
Obviously, we're talking about VBetterDAO and these kind of things right now.
The enterprise stuff still goes on in the background.
We've still got Toolchain.
We've still got Vtonsberg.
We've still got the Chinese arm that spun off.
We've got VCarbon.
We've got all these things happening in the background.
Obviously, a challenge when you specifically phrase it against making a household name is a lot of these enterprise applications they they're not
necessarily consumer facing so the vbet ecosystem the goal is to be very consumer facing and it is
to drive adoption amongst the masses that's the core objective of it so this reconciling those
two things that they're not mutually exclusive, really, from our perspective.
We are aiming to drive VeChain and make it a household name through this kind of DAT platform.
And the enterprise element of that is that right now, we're essentially building user base, creating the data.
We're building backwards. So whereas before we kind of had these enterprise
ecosystems that operated and they remained relatively siloed outside of social media,
talking about them, now you have a kind of mass accessible ecosystem that then we work backwards,
you know, with channel partners such as BCG, who can then connect us to businesses who look at the
data and go, oh wow, okay, this app's got a million users.
That's amazing.
I'd love to now integrate that into some part of our process.
So that's the logic of the VBetter approach.
Obviously, the previous systems we were using to onboard with enterprises, that stuff still
goes on.
But certainly, they're not mutually incompatible,
but it's a different strategy of adoption.
I think that makes a lot of sense.
Yeah, and I think you're going to see a couple of the DApps
probably lead the charge within the next 12 months with some of those.
I mean, shout out to SolarWise.
They teased it recently, but they secured a massive pilot.
And again, this ecosystem is still completely unprepared for where that is about to go.
I'm so fucking excited for what that team is about to do.
But I'll let them go share that. But yeah, you're so right there. I think that some teams are going to lead that charge.
Absolutely. I mean, mean solarize is a
great example you've got guys building very cool uh and like logical products in a way like you're
tokenizing solar energy you're incentivizing sustainability you're creating a new kind of
like value add for companies who want to lean into that space obviously creating new communities and
yeah it's that solarize doing great work but i think that
speaks to the broader like vision of where this is going it's like creating business cases where
companies had a blind spot that there was a value add you know tokenization blockchain etc like
they're they're really showing companies that like there's a whole new evolutionary pathway
into how to create value how
to build communities how to develop new business ecosystems but also how to meet kind of contemporary
challenges around how do we transparently show that we've done x or y or we're achieving whatever
goal they're trying to pursue you know obviously blockchain provides that perfect medium for that
so with like the whole industry is still in that poc phase i guess you
could say but with all this backdrop of like regulatory uh evolution right now they are
really looking into the space and saying and and seeing so much innovation and like the snowball
is definitely going downhill i think you know the next five ten years is going to be insane like
everyone that's here now is you you
really were early i know it's that horrible phrase of like yeah yeah you're early it's this i mean
just wait until non-fungible book club takes down audible and everyone's like where did that come
from that came from v chain um right telling you nobody's ready. But Jake, I appreciate you staying 15 minutes long with us,
answering some community questions,
allowing us to poke your brain about Stargate, the DAO, Wanchain.
It was really fun to catch up on the last two months as always, man.
But let's go around the horn to some of our final speakers,
and we'll come back to you to wrap things up
as we
wrap up the 27th
VeChain monthly update space.
27th?
We're approaching 30, man.
Approaching 30. We're almost
there. I'm going to be here before you know it.
Right?
Well, let's go with our newest speaker
actually who joined us at the very end.
We'll give you the opportunity to provide any final thoughts here as we get ready to wrap up.
And, of course, you know, any final questions here for the foundation.
But Influencer Fight Club, welcome to the stage.
Anything from you guys as we wrap up the 27th VeChain monthly update space?
27th VeChain monthly update space.
I saw you came off mute,
but it sounds like you're just punching a pillow.
We can try again.
We'll have you circle down and then come back.
Don't worry.
We've got time.
We have a lot of people that will talk up here.
Let's go to Weisingren, man.
Great to have you on stage.
I'm excited to see what you do with this storefront, getting more teams to connect with you.
Any final thoughts from you as we get ready to wrap up the spaces here?
Not a whole lot. I can't believe it's been 27 spaces, and I'm excited to see your whiteboard, Connor. Outside of that, not much.
Have a good night, guys.
Enjoy your night.
Oh, the whiteboard is packed.
I actually couldn't write down the community questions.
You know it's a good space when the whiteboard's so packed that I have to write in the corner.
Here was the mark that you can go tune in to the rest of the point and get the rest of it.
So, yeah, we've got a full board, and we've got some new colors.
And, Jordan, there is a sneaky smiley face for you somewhere on the board.
Go find it.
Flaught, let's go to you, Legends.
Thanks, as always, for joining us.
I'm pumped to hear where things go with the Cross-Chain Caravan.
Congratulations on the momentum.
Any final thoughts and words from you?
Yeah, man, just keep working at whatever your dream is. And look, we bank this whole thing
using crypto. It's possible on any one of these chains to do that. So look into how you can go
about financing yourself rather than initially reaching out for a grant or some other type of financial support.
Because if you can keep the power to yourself, you keep the decision-making process to yourself as well.
So just throwing that out there.
And, man, it's been a long road, but we are definitely gaining traction.
Damn right, legend.
And I'm excited to see that traction continue.
We had a crew come up here and join us at the last minute.
A crew that, like I said, is probably going to take down Audible sooner rather than later.
Yes, this is a recorded space.
Audible, you have been put on notice July 15th, 2025.
Be on the fucking lookout.
Non-Fungible Book Club.
Welcome to the stage.
Congratulations to the Momentum team.
Any final thoughts from you guys the mute button might have you it's okay we waited till the very end of the space for somebody to do
it and it ended up being one of the teams that actually runs spaces in this community it's
critter he doesn't record his spaces this is karma oh this is true this is true uh critter
if you come back up we'll get you back up here but in the meantime we're going to go to our man
cube over at eco bag cube thanks for joining us at the end here excited to uh like i said see what
you and washing rend end up doing any final thoughts from you no just uh thanks again for having us up um the future is cross-chain baby and it is bullish
as fuck hearing that that's coming to v chain sorry excuse my french i just get really stoked
about that kind of stuff oh you can let's go definitely drop a few fucks here as long as
you're flipping tables let's go let's go and and i just wanted to throw some flowers over to paulie paulie you're a legend
bro and uh you know your your uh your hard work is noticed on other chains especially over an hbar
much love to you brother um let's keep let's keep the cross chain love going much love everyone i
can't wait for the hbar vet pool through one chain it's's going to fucking happen. What's happening, baby?
Another legend on stage joining us.
Jay Chains, thank you for everything you've been doing,
getting active, interviewing a bunch of teams.
I know we've got a bunch of those interviews coming up.
I assume you'll shout some of those out.
Excited to hear more DAO teams connecting with you
and peeking a little bit outside of our bubble here in V-Chain.
Absolutely. Yeah, again, thanks for having this amazing show and all the amazing and incredible
projects and people that showed up. Wow. Yeah. So I appreciate you mentioned that, Connor.
Tomorrow, 10 a.m. Eastern, if we go up to the Jumbotron, we got Cleanify. I think it's 4 in, if I'm not mistaken.
It says, make sure you tap in tomorrow for breakfast.
I'm linking up with the VFAM at Cleanify.
We're going to talk trash.
We're going to talk Better Token, and we're talking the VBetterDAO.
So tap in tomorrow.
That's 10 a.m. Eastern.
That's Cleanify.
And then on Thursday, we got the folks at Mugshot.
We're talking about coffee, and we're talking about sustainability all the rest of the week.
And then, like I said earlier, we're going to keep the ball rolling with this.
I absolutely love everybody in this ecosystem, all these projects.
So the more the merrier.
I'm going to start doing guests Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursdays on the show.
So for the foreseeable future, man, as many V-Chain, V-BetterDAO ecosystems, builders, developers,
whoever wants to come up and talk about what they're doing.
This is the time to be doing it.
So that's my stage is open to anybody that wants it.
Team, shoot this man a DM.
I promise you, you will have a good time.
Jay Chains, thank you for everything you've been doing. know, JChains is like such an OG in this shit that actually when we were starting this Spaces,
JChains had his own fucking section back in the day talking about some of the things that he was
doing behind the scenes interviewing some early teams in VeChain even before the DAO existed.
So this guy has been doing this shit for a while and it's exciting to see him start to open up
the doors to more teams. So shout out what you've been doing, man. it's exciting to see him start to open up the doors to more teams so
shout out what you've been doing man it's uh it's awesome to see and the community is definitely
thankful for it man i appreciate that yeah you know it's funny i was i was doing some soul
searching and some thinking obviously some of you may or may not know who i am or what's been going
on or you know in my uh this past year and so i've thankfully had the chance to really put some
things together and go build some stuff for myself and, you know, kind of tapping back in. And I, again, I talk about on-chain
activity all the time. And I looked back at, you know, I was looking back at my wallets and
I was looking back to some of my earlier V-chain transactions that go back years and years. And
I'm like, man, that, that like, remember when we used to mess around with like the, all the NFTs and, you know, right when that ecosystem started to pop.
And I was like, man, let's tap back in because this is the time.
And this is VFAM, VFAM for life.
You guys know that.
So I appreciate you, man.
I appreciate you remembering that and hosting these spaces and putting this thing on still.
And I'm really looking forward to connecting with everybody.
Like I said, my stage is open
absolutely to everybody i do with 10 a.m monday through friday tuesday wednesday thursday will be
guests and then if those times don't work for you let's set something up we'll pre-record it
uh we'll add some sizzle to it some overlays and some fun stuff uh whatever you want that's the
that's the whole thing it's time to uh it's time to show what the builders are doing so
let's tap in baby appreciate you guys you guys. Ollie, any tables safe?
No, no tables safe.
And I wanted to mention for my buddy Wild Bill,
Jay Chains is holding Saugus pieces as well.
Just wanted to mention that.
What did you say?
You got me and Wild Bill's pieces in your wallet as well.
You got the Saugus.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Absolutely.
Like, those things
are never going anywhere by the way yeah yeah that was for a while that's the key
oh i don't think he's picked a faction oh it's okay there's no rush i'm waiting as well because
i like to watch and then i'm going to join the winning team at the last minute and claim victory
um anyway uh paul let's go to you dude Thank you as always for co-hosting this space,
co-hosting every damn space you can. Like you're all over the ecosystem. We can't say it enough.
Thank you for what you do and being such a core pillar of it. Um, any final thoughts from you as
we get ready to wrap this one up and then join you for about 17 hours on Friday?
Oh, that'll be a short one. It'll definitely be longer than that,
but no, uh, uh, great space today. Thank you, Jake, Connor, everyone that came up and joined
the chat was, was a great one. Really looking forward to Friday. Um, a couple updates in my
neck of the woods, uh, as if I didn't have enough going on now, I'm also a mod in the
V chain Facebook group. So you want to come out there hang out
with all the millennials and the uh the old people and talk in the v chain uh facebook group come on
down i'm there uh and also uh connor and maybe some others know uh recently started a new venture
in the video world uh shout out to my man rod g down there from cardano we have started the
cross-chain crypto council uh once a week myself and representatives from multiple blockchains are
coming together to talk about web3 what we got going on i was even able to talk a little bit
about one chain about the renaissance uh so it was only an hour. I got the video pinned up. So if you guys want to check out
episode one, let me know what you guys think. Really excited moving forward. I know me and the
group, Rod, Razo, and Rick are going to be hitting up Rare Evo. So I don't know if JChange
you're going to be out there, but if you're going to be at Rare Evo, I can tell you this. We're
going to be hanging out with one of the team members, Pena, from Bubbles.
So I'll be, we'll get you hooked up with the Bubbles team. We'll be hanging out in
Vegas, doing all types of content and fun stuff. It's going to be a good time, man.
Absolutely, yeah. So I'm really looking forward to it right now
from what I understand. If you guys know Adam Charles, or every year he
puts on the Influencer Awards and they're like wrestling belts, it's a cool thing.
It's going to be at, I think he was in here a little bit ago, Ken Bozak is running Bitcoin
Benz.
It's like a clubhouse in Vegas and they're just kind of kicking it off.
It's going to grand open, I think next week, or earlier in the month in August.
And so there's going to be one of the side events is going to be those awards.
And I should be emceeing those.
If not, I'll be there and I'll be hanging out with a microphone in my hand.
I don't really know what capacity.
So the goal is to be there.
So let's connect.
Let's do all the things.
Let's make content.
Let's have a great time.
And let's do maybe like some kind of meetup or something where we
can do some kind of activity some v better now activity we'll figure it out let's do it we'll
onboard people we'll get people scooping up poop we'll get them drinking bottles drinking their
mug shots we'll we'll do it all uh but yeah looking forward to it man paul he also has a
tendency to wrestle and fight people and put it on video. So maybe we get a little scrap between you guys.
I mean, he put up a hell of a fight against FUBAR.
Or was it a hell of a fight?
FUBAR, hey, you watch yourself.
Watch yourself.
And a reminder, FUBAR is going to be there as well.
So maybe we get a round two.
I don't know.
I don't know. Just saying.
We got Joey Sauer.
We can always talk to Johnny over at the Nerd Bar.
He's got a wrestling ring at the Nerd Bar over on Fremont Street.
We can have a whole throwdown.
It'll be like a V-Chain slam-a-jam-a of the V-Fam or whatever.
Let's go.
V-Fam versus Karate Combat.
Let's go.
But I digress.
I'm taking up too much time.
Appreciate you, J-Chains, and everyone coming in.
Connor, absolutely crushing it.
I got to go flip some tables.
So appreciate you brother
and look forward to the next one my guy damn right my friend tables have been flipped in my room i
have a lot of cleaning up to do this is gonna suck but it was worth every second jake well done man
another one in the books but before we go to you we did have another legend join us one second that
i have to tap i mean he's the only gnome in the ecosystem.
So, Gnomi, what the hell's going on in your world?
Thanks for joining us in the last minute.
Oh, Gnomi, don't tell me that the mute button's got you.
I see you ripping comments left and right.
I figured you had something.
He's engagement farming.
Is that what's going on, Gnomi?
You know what? I didn't even realize I figured you had something. He's engagement farming. Is that what's going on, Nomi? You know what?
I didn't even realize I was on
the space, so my bad.
It's been fucking awesome
listening to the entire space
and everybody come up, talk.
I'm fucking pumped. I got nothing
else I could add to this shit, man.
Let's get it, y'all. Oh, I love you, Nomi.
And he's big
on the list in terms of teams that need community representation and help.
This guy, I mean, believe it or not, this is one of the dudes that brought me into the ecosystem back in the day.
Fucking OG OG.
Shout out to you, Nomi.
Great to have you up here.
Jake, we went long.
I promised we weren't going to go a half hour long.
We did.
I'm bad at keeping that promise when it comes to time.
Any final thoughts from you, man?
Awesome space.
27 down.
Covered the last two months.
A lot of shit to do.
Wild.
Yeah, no worries about timings, mate.
We're in this to go deep and explore everything.
I mean, yeah, guys, just just very exciting times love to see the momentum
continuing and yeah it's very excited for the next few months for the next six months obviously
macro is heating up it's going to get very spicy for everyone in the space i mean retail is coming
back i know we're kind of retail but you know it's just there's a lot of growth
opportunity here and obviously we've got an army doing amazing stuff yeah you know i'm here to
support and amplify and give visibility as much as possible and make sure everyone's getting the
maximum bang for the buck so yeah i just appreciate the work that everyone's doing and obviously look forward to
continuing to kind of drive the momentum and yeah 27 man that's crazy i still i still get flashbacks
of i was having a call in italy all those years ago like oh there's connor guy i want to have a
chat let's have a let's meet connor uh and here we go and do you know what that speaks to the value
of just opening a conversation because Web3 is all
about connections, network, you know, meet people, open conversations.
Don't be shy. Don't be scared.
Just put yourself out there and see where it goes because it could be something
spectacular. So yeah, great work, everyone.
And let's keep it up. We're doing awesome.
I'm right, my friend friend thank you as always for
joining us jake this was a lot of fun 27 down everybody i'm excited to see what the next 27
look like thank you as always v fam for joining us here we covered everything from v better dow
updates hearing from some teams got to hear from uh temujin over at one chain and all of the
exciting things that are happening there gonna hear more from him on friday got to hear from Temujin over at Wanchain and all of the exciting things that are happening there.
Going to hear more from him on Friday.
Got to still cover Stargate, even though you've probably heard enough about it.
But we did get a goal that we haven't heard about yet.
So shooting for that 30 to 40 percent VET state.
That'll be fun to kind of track.
And then, you know, great to get some of the final community questions that we had outstanding covered.
So thank you guys for staying with us a little long, but I think it was worth every second.
Team, if you can't feel it, we're building some serious fucking momentum.
And it does not look like we are slowing down.
So continue playing your part.
Step up.
You know, share your perspective.
Share your voice.
You'll be shocked at how many people will welcome it, especially here in this
ecosystem. And the last thing that you're going to want to do when this thing continues to move
is to say, I was there, but I didn't take a part in it. Go fucking participate. It's been a lot of
fun doing it. I can share from my perspective. I have no intention to slow down and it looks like
more and more incredible people
are activating themselves and playing a part.
So find your place.
Have a lot of fun.
But stop listening to me talk.
It's been two and a half hours.
Go enjoy the rest of your evening,
the rest of your morning,
the rest of your afternoon,
wherever you are in the world.
VFAM, we'll see you next time
on the VeChain Monthly Update Space.
Thank you. worlds. VFAM, we'll see you next time on the VeChain monthly update space.
