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Vibe Coding To Accelerate MVPs
Recorded: July 17, 2025 Duration: 1:01:40Space Recording
Short Summary
The conversation centered around the transformative impact of biocoding and AI tools in the crypto space, showcasing how these innovations are enabling non-technical founders to engage in product development, fostering inclusivity and accelerating growth in the industry.
Full Transcription
I saw you dancing in a crowded room
Look so happy when I'm not with you
Then you saw me come to a surprise
A single teardrop running from your eye
I don't know why, I don't know why
I'll make you cry when I run away.
You could have asked me why I broke your heart.
You could have told me that you fell apart.
But you walked past me like I wasn't there. me
oh Take me back, cause I wanna stay.
Save your tears for another, save your tears for another day.
Save your tears for another day. I said some things that I should never say.
Yeah, I broke your heart like someone did to mine.
And now you're in love for a second time. okay
i'll make you cry when i run away Take me back cause I'm on my stage Save your tears for another
I realize that I'm much too late You deserve someone better
Save your tears for another day
Oh I'll see you cry, I won't push my run away.
Save your tears for another day.
Save your tears for another day.
yeah
is it good yeah yeah yeah everybody welcome to today's space let's wait a little bit a couple
of minutes just one or more one or two more please some more people can join in the meantime you can
grab a coffee get comfy and we'll start shortly.
This one's going to be really fun and insightful, so stay with us.
One or two minutes, and we'll start.
Thank you. You can go around, go around, go around, everybody in the night. Cause you know that I know that I know that I feel like I'm on it.
I know that dress is gone, but you'll make credit.
You got me thinking about when you were lying.
And I won't blow up on you, what you expect.
But you're not coming home at me tonight.
You just want attention, you know I'm behind, maybe you just hit the glass, running out.
You just want attention, I do want to start, but you're just making sure I'm not getting right out. All right.
I think that we can start.
Let's start with microphones to see if everything works well.
So welcome.
Aditya, are you here?
Okay, let's wait for Aditya. Dr. Cao, I can see you. Can you speak?
Yes. Hello, hello.
Hey, yeah, I can hear you pretty well. Thank you so much. Dr. Cao is ready. Also, Marisol is here. Marisol, can you hear me?
Okay.
Can we try your microphone, Marisol, just to see like everything is okay?
Yeah, sure, GM.
Can you hear me?
Yeah, absolutely.
Pretty well.
Thank you so much.
So, Ale is also here.
Hey, Ale, what's up?
Can you hear us? Hey, how is it ali what's up can you hear us hey how is it going yeah can you hear me uh yeah absolutely thank you so much then uh we have michael michael are you
here yeah hello everyone okay we are almost ready i can see also here alicia what's up
almost ready i can see also here i'll list you what's up what's up what's up okay it sounds
pretty good um yeah i can see also here geeky but i don't know if you can hear me geeky are you with
us or you are gonna be only listener this time uh yeah i can hear you. Yeah. Can you hear me? Okay. Okay. Yeah, absolutely.
Okay. And also, I guess that we have some people from Africa. I can see here. Debo,
it was here. I don't see him anymore. So is there somebody from Africa in the space? Are you already connected and ready to share something with us?
Please manifest yourself.
Shows that you are here.
Okay.
Let's see.
Hey, who said that?
Me, Aditya.
Aditya? I'ma? Ah, okay.
Ah, you're back. Okay.
Okay, nice, my friend.
Ah, well, I can see here now, Devo.
Yeah, we were waiting for you, my friend.
Devo, can you hear us?
Yeah, I can hear you. Jim, Jim to the others.
Yeah, okay, alright.
I guess that we are ready then.
Thank you so much for the time, your time.
It's really important for us.
Today, we'll talk about biocoding.
First of all, I'd like to present myself.
I'm Luis Ramirez, head of the Real Articare Foundation,
the organization behind the VAR network development.
VAR is a powerful layer one chain built on substrate designed for real scalability and
a smooth dev experience.
So today we're diving into a fun and often misunderstood concept by recording.
I'm pretty sure that you have heard a lot about this.
I'm pretty sure that you have heard a lot about this.
Today we'll talk about this and how WARA is using the different AI toolings to work with developers in a bi-coding way.
Okay, but what is it?
Before to share information about this, I'd like to present the speakers but I like to open the opportunity so you guys can just
present yourself and with the audience because maybe it's the first time so
here we have Aditya. Aditya how are you can you present yourself with the
audience please? Yeah hey everyone so my name is Aditya and currently I'm
leading the efforts in India and I'm pretty glad to be here.
And also from a developer background,
coming to like spaces by coding to accelerating MVPs
because we will talk about how the before by coding
and after by coding, how the scenario looks like right now.
And yeah, it will be like a great talk here.
And yeah, pretty exciting for me for me yeah thank you so much
Aditya and welcome also let's uh go with Marisol yeah can you present yourself please with the
audience yeah sure hi everyone happy to be here i'm Marisol from Mexico and i'm bar ambassador
Hi everyone, happy to be here. I'm Marisol from Mexico and I'm Bar Ambassador in LATAM and also
I'm focused on education and community growth. Okay, nice. Thank you Marisol. Dr. Cao, let's go to China.
Yeah, hello everyone. I'm Dr. Cao and so the ambassador yeah in china and also founder of aiweb3 i also
focus on the chinese community and so basically yeah as with some background in coding so i'm
very happy to be here and talk about the yeah communicate with others and talk about the Codi vibe Codi which is super fun thanks yeah thank you Dr. Cao and welcome
Ale are you here can you introduce yourself with the audience sure and thanks for having
me once again hello everyone this is Ale from Mexico and yes also VARA Ambassador focused on education and community growth.
Perfect. Thank you so much, Ali.
Let's go also with Michael.
Hello, hello. I'm Michael.
I'm VARA Ambassador based in Mexico City.
I'm focused on video game developer.
I'm happy to be here to talk about
bycoding. I believe it's a good
topic to talk about
for all the community. So, thank you.
Yeah, thank you
to you, Michael. And
let's jump to
Nigeria with
Debo.
Present yourself, please please with the audience.
Hi, we cannot hear you, my friend.
Are you here?
Can you guys hear me?
Yeah, yeah, now we can.
Okay, I was saying I'm Debo.
I'm a video content creator and a community member from Africa.
And yeah, I'm non-technical.
So I focus mostly on education and content creation.
Okay, nice.
It's interesting that this conversation is useful for technical and non-technical.
I guess that this is the intersection of by coding with the AI and the ideas.
But let's explore more and last but not least my friend lishu from india from china sorry lishu can you present yourself please yeah yeah i can i can be
from india too so oh yeah yeah yeah that's all right nice yeah i'm uh i'm originally uh for
it's all right nice yeah i'm uh i'm originally uh for the gear foundation in china so um i'm happy to
meet all the investors here to talk about vibe uh vibe coding so i'm here mainly as a cheerleader
for all the ambassadors and vibe spacing let's go, let's go. Thank you so much, my friend.
Kiki, again, I cannot see you as a speaker, but maybe it's the application.
If you are a speaker, can you say something, please?
Yes, I'm a speaker. Hi, everyone.
Oh, nice.
Hello. So I'm so glad to be invited here today as a senior ambassador of Vara Network.
uh i'm so glad to be invited here today as a senior ambassador of vera network so i'm the
co-founder of air web3 which is committed to web3 education online and offline and also we have
cooperated for with seven universities in china to promote uh web3 yeah okay welcome then thank you
uh i can see also some other maybe speakers in my application. I don't see it like this. I can see you guys as listeners. Vishal, are you listener or speaker today? Just to be sure.
Yeah, I'm listener and speaker as well.
Okay, okay. Yeah, thank you. Can you present yourself with the audience then, please? Yeah. So, hi everyone. GM to everyone. So, glad to be here. I'm Vishal Saroj from India. I'm Senior Ambassador. I've been in VARA as a Senior Ambassador since one year and learning and contributing at the same time and very happy to be here and contributing as well thank you
yeah thank you and welcome
okay I'm gonna ask also the same question
to Web3 descendant because
I can see you here my friend but
I don't know if you're a speaker or only listener
just
can you if you're
speaker can you speak or
not okay
and I see also maybe Adam, are you here as a speaker or only listener? Sorry that I asked, but I can see like not everybody here in the room, the application show as a speaker, but for example, Geeky and Vishal, you are are and the application shows like a listener okay I guess that
we're all set then as I mentioned before today we're diving into interesting topic by coding
and today we are gonna learn what is this and in in different regions how can we uh work with bibecoding but
first i'd like to explain a little bit a little bit uh about bibecoding so uh by coding uh basically uh
relies on of fine-tuned models to generate code more fluidly and a specific programming language or
stacks and a technical brief i can say like for example that fine-tuning code generator models
like codex is like one of the more known um models coming from open ai and others like whole code
llama or some specific cross-solidity specialized models
are trained on domain-specific datasets that include syntax, also conventions, and idiomatic
patterns of the target language.
And you need to provide also real-world project structures like, for example, smart contracts.
If you want to train your model
to generate smart contracts then you need to provide a smart contract to so the model can
learn and create but also you can provide more like common line interpreter tools or apis whatever
it's okay depends like what do you need and this enables developers in a bi-coding mode to first write creative or base prompts,
like you can just create, think about something, an idea, and generate a prompt.
This is called natural language processing.
Once you pass some information to the AI and the AI understand what
you are trying to say, this is NLP in the AI. So you can write a prompt like, for example,
build a staking contract with slashing logic, and that's it. And you get a precise, contextual,
and language-aware code output, and you can iterate quickly without rigid planning.
So that's basically the way it works by coding.
You can use these kind of tools whether you have experience or not on the development side, but it's really important to keep in mind that it's not production-ready in the way that it's not completely optimized and sometimes includes many libraries that you don't need.
But it's good to have some prototypings.
I like to mention also some tools for the Vive coding.
Maybe you have used some of this, like Replit. It's one of the more known platforms for the developers.
And if you want to develop in real time with many people in a collaborative way.
And in the browser, this is something important to mention because you don't need to download anything.
Everything is in the browser. It's the best deal.
But also Codex, this is an open AI model
focused on NLP to generate code.
You can use it or GitCop Copilot,
or if you are a front end developer,
the Bercel and Next.js,
they can provide you this by coding technology.
So it's basically zero-config deployment
with a small developer experience to generate MVPs.
But interesting that VARA also can provide biocoding tools.
We have the VARA AI generator tool.
This is basically an AI-powered development tool
designed to generate smart contracts
compatible with the
Mbara network. It's built on top of GPT 4.1, which is a different implementation of 4.0. It's like
the more known and advanced model coming from OpenAI, but thispt 4.1 it's mainly focused to generate uh code it's better
optimized faster cheaper uh so that's why uh vara used this uh model okay uh the model has been uh
fine-tuned using real worldworld examples provided by the GIF Foundation,
including standards.
Think like, for example, if you want to create your MIM coin,
it's pretty possible with this.
This is basically an ERC-20 standard or fungible token,
but you can build whatever you want with this technology,
NFTs, multiple fungible token, but also complex contracts like DEXs, staking protocols, multi-step logic applications, etc.
So, in general, with just one prompt, you can generate complete code structures that are not only technically accurate, but ready to be deployed or customized further and you can think like
it's having a senior vara developer available 24 7 ready to turn your ideas into working code
it's like having adrian machine 24 7 what a great deal right uh okay so let's start today's conversation. We have different questions for our speakers.
To start, I'd like to ask you guys,
has bytecoding changed the way developers in your region approach building MVPs?
And let's start with you, our ladies first, of course.
So let's go with Alep in Mexico.
How do you see this?
You have a great experience using this Vive Coding Generator tool in the hackathon.
What do you think about this?
Sure, yeah, well, I've seen that the introduction of these new tools has completely changed the game because before people could spend months building something that looked perfect, but that nobody actually wanted. So those missing requirements or even missing in the in the roles or in the path about the really needs, the real needs of end user.
what we are just building right now and we are just we are we are we are just on the go
so actually it's less less about like shipping a finished product and more about uh shipping
need or feeling uh seeing how the people react testing and iterating and if these final users share with us what they really need right now, well, we can the wild and let the community tell you if they are in the mood or just needing something else. coding help builders to to go faster to build uh also with um um with more fit of the of the real
needs of the of the end end user but in hackathons we have just used that and and for, in my own experience as hacker in a hackathon in Mexico from Vara, I tested
an AI tooling to deploy smart contracts.
For example, in my case, I'm not a technical developer, but it was easy for me to make
these first steps, of course, with the aid of the team.
But what I want to say or to share is that even if you are not technical
or you don't have like a technical background,
you can implement this and use this and of course go faster.
Nice.
You mentioned many things really, really important, Ale.
I'd like to highlight, like for example,
that you don't need to be a developer if you want to use these tools to start. It's something good. And also that you don't need to waste time to create a prototype. You don't need to spend like two, three, four months to bring a prototype and after realize that it doesn't work as you expect and you need to invest more time to
update your prototype. So that's basically the power of AI with this kind of tools.
Yeah, thank you so much, Ale, for your perspective about this and LATAM in general and your
participation in the hackathon in Mexico. It was really nice. I remember it. Let's have it
another one. Hopefully soon. Okay, let's jump to China with Kiki. What do you think? How do you
use this kind of tools? How do you see bi-coding in your region?
do you see by coding in your region?
Oh, hi.
While coding and AI-assisted software development approach
where developers use natural language to generate code
has significantly altered the MVP development landscape
in China.
A hub for rapid tech innovation here is how
accelerate prototyping developers in China,
particularly in faster-paced startups,
ecosystems like Shenzhen and Beijing,
leverage webcoding to drastically reduce the time
from concept to prototype
and the cost efficiency.
But coding reduces the need for large engineering teams,
which is critical for China cash straps startup
and the solo entrepreneurs.
And also accessibility for non-technical founders.
What coding empowers non-technical founders. Webcoding empowers non-technical founders
to participate in MVP development.
And also the specific context in China,
the adoption of webcoding in China is amplified
by government-based AI initiative and platforms
like Baidu and Alibaba.
Yeah, that's my answer.
Yeah, interesting. Founders using AI tools by coding. I guess that this is really nice because
in the past, if you had an idea, you need to search for a developer always. Like, okay, I know about the business, but I don't know how to code.
I am searching for a developer.
One of the reasons why many projects are trying to get a grant in the Web3 ecosystem
is because they are searching for money to pay the developers, right?
And with this by recording, you don't need to do this.
You can create your own prototype, even if you don't know how to code and test it with the community after if this works.
Now, it's important to have a developer with experience, but yeah, it's really a good feedback
and insight what you are just sharing with us, Kiki.
Interesting how is China using these toolings.
Thank you so much.
Let's go with Debo, Nigeria.
So, Debo, are you here with us?
Yeah, I'm here.
Okay. Yeah, I'm here. Okay, yeah.
As a non-technical person, how can you describe this kind of tools?
Honestly, in my region, and when I say in my region, I'm speaking from a Nigerian and, you know, broader African builder's perspective.
I feel like by coding has been a whole new game and you know like you just said earlier
to actually like you were to build an idea or if somebody was to have an idea and wants
to build it has to do for a developer and then it's going to take a you know a whole
spec sheets weeks of planning sometimes even too much structure that kind of slows down
the idea or the innovation but vibe coding this kind of like brought away the focus on getting the developer
first to, you know, bringing the idea into something that you could share with your developer
first. And then instead of, you know, going through the whole planning and, you know,
and specs part of it, all you have to just like fine tune your idea with your developer, right?
So from my own perspective i feel like is it
has promoted the experimentation culture of our perfection right here as i've seen so many so many
people who went from especially in hackathons people went from ideation to full fully finished
products within 48 to 72 hours during hackathons, right?
So I feel like it has created a whole new creative culture amongst our builders
because they don't just take weeks or months or a long time to build anymore.
It's kind of fast-tracked the way they build.
Oh, interesting.
The hackathon experience, I guess, is something to highlight here. I remember the experience of one of the hackathons that we participate. Some of the developers said, like, they were students, it's important to mention, like, they were part of a university in that moment. And they mentioned like their professors, they said that it is not good to use AI toolings to generate code because it is not a good practice. And this person asked me like, can I use chat GPT or another technology to accelerate my development? And said of course like this is a
hackathon then you don't have enough time to to create all the code that you
need in the best way so you need to prototype here and it's something
important to use not not my advice is it was not like whether you need or not
use it was like usual use to boost your development but of course you need to know what you are doing because by cutting is not everything you need or not use, it was like usual use to boost your development.
But of course, you need to know what you are doing because biocoding is not everything.
You need to understand after, once it's ready, how to update and how to optimize your project.
So thank you so much, Debo, for this hackathon.
Also, it's really important to keep in mind this kind of tools.
And welcome to, I guess this is your first space with us and
uh representing nigeria right
yeah yeah nice uh welcome and i hope to see you soon in the next time and welcome nigeria welcome
africa okay uh let's let's go to india let's come to ind India so I can see you here Bishal are
you still with us think if so yeah yes yes Luis okay so what is happening in
India with the body coding yeah well honestly it's changed everything
earlier we used to follow a
heavy planning approaches like figma architecture repo setup and endless
startups stand-up slack but now wipe coding is all about you know what's the
core problem let's hack it right now so for example I recently built a rush
base uploader using tori framework
you know instead of worrying about OAuth or file metadata initially
I just hardcoded the backblaze credentials and got file upload working on you know under 48 hours
to be honest and once the logic felt right I polished the ux edit error handling and cleaned the code
then this mindset helps mvps actually ship instead of you know staying in uh dev hell so i think
it changed everything
yeah aha okay yeah this combination is exactly what we were talking about.
By coding tools is for accelerating, but after you need to know how to optimize and clean
your code, right?
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Okay, yeah, thank you.
And we have also here Aditya.
Yeah, Aditya, do you want to share something here?
Yeah, so everyone's shared a lot of points and every points are really valuable.
So just to add a few more points, for example, when you come and you don't have a team, you are a solo founder,
you have idea that you want to build, you face the real problem while using a DeFi protocol or something else,
and you want to ship it faster and actually test it that your idea
is actually solving a real problem or not earlier it is used to be very like resources heavy but
now you can ship first and then polish later the mvp the minimum viable product so that just created
to actually see that is there a demand for your product or not so that you can
build around in 48 hours whether i have personally seen this in eat india and also the regional
hackathons that are we seeing in the country as well also the government supports with for
especially for college students they give out free credits to use the ai module so that they can
actually be updated with uh realworld technology that is happening.
And also, you also mentioned a few days ago about developers in Web3 are in thousands, right?
They are close to 30,000 to clock around a monthly full stack developer rate. But in Web2 space,
there are millions of developers. so if you want to make
the easier uh onboarding or maybe want non-crypto devs to joining web 3 and they want to just test
it out how this technology feels how actor model works how everything for the first step the wipe
coding is like a like a heaven for them and as you mentioned as well like my coding is not enough you should actually know
about the how architecture works and how the deep tech behind works because when you ship something
big if everything falls down one day you don't know how to back it up it is like all waste so
you need to be very solid on your fundamentals and actually be curious enough to get started with the first step
like shift first polish later and then expand distribution community and then
distributing it to a lot of thousands of people and creating something valuable yeah that's it
interesting and i do agree with you like basically, we can define in terms of adoption that
bibecoding could be the bridge between Web2 and Web3 developers. Absolutely, I do agree with you,
Aditya. Okay, nice. So, let's jump to the next question. So, what are some tools or practices you have seen the best represented by coding in action?
Let's start in Mexico with Marisol.
Yeah, sure.
Yeah, I'm here.
Yeah, so I think it has been evolving a lot. I can say for the first hackathon I have
assisted many years ago where we can say Figma,
and also even people was maybe using
sometimes Power Term for doing slides,
but now there's even these tools,
they make these presentations for you.
So it has been evolving a lot.
And yeah, as Ale was saying,
this is now like all intuition and speed
and also teamwork, you know?
Because yeah, sometimes we all are looking
only like in the websites and you know
asking the ai but also i think we forgot sometimes to ask you know like our teammates that they also
will have like value information but yeah i believe this all building and with their community
it feels more chill and more creative so yeah yeah, I think also we are still,
we are forgetting about the human part,
which for me it's also important.
Like yeah, we have all this vibe coding
and it's a total game changer.
So it takes the pressure off and yeah,
also especially for newer devs,
I think it's really important.
But yeah, well, the main question, I think, yeah, it's really, really important. But yeah,
well, the main question, I'm not really familiar with like many tools, but yeah, for me,
and I have been discovering like this, that makes you like, also the slides, you just give like
different prompts. And yeah, I think, I mean, there will be like a lot of different tools for
us to discover. Oh, I guess that you mentioned something that it was not in my mind,
but it's really important to keep in mind.
Like, for example, vibe coding is not only to generate code literally.
Like you mentioned Figma and you can generate a prompt
and with this in Figma, you create a prototype.
And after with Figma, you can download the code
or you can just see the images.
But this is important.
Thank you so much for this insight, Marisol,
because you can also create prototypes
before to generate the code of these prototypes.
And you can see how it looks like if what
what do you like to change and using this kind of tools like figma it's
really powerful I have used figma in the past and it was not so easy and I have
used figma with prompts it's really easy so yeah that's a nice nice transition to
generate prototypes thank you so much let's see what in China thinks about this.
Dr. Cao, can you explain?
What do you think about this, the tools that we can use?
How do you see, how have you seen this development
with the specific tools in China?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So for me, think um personally like i i i have been using the chat
gpt or not uh which is the one that you can use for the coding right and you can implement the idea
of much faster than doing it by by yourself that's me like i have um i've spent maybe like a few hours
to implement one function but with chat vt i can get it in a few seconds even um and the other one
like grog is also quite good at the coding um so you can use that that for the debugging as well.
So whenever you have the code you want you to debugging.
I used to spend a lot of time actually do the debugging,
but now with those two,
I can quickly find the bug and get it fixed.
And some other useful tools I think I tried before. And it's just like a Gemini client. That's
just published not too long time ago. But I feel it's quite helpful because it's open source and it's just like AI agent. You can use that to do the coding with AI.
So basically it's not like you just ask AI to do something.
You are working with AI together
and they can understand the language quite well.
Like you can ask the AI to even update any of the code
in your big project in your own computer,
and they can directly update the code for you.
And of course, Vara AI code generator,
that's also a very cool tool uh like like i recently tried um the the interesting
things are like for those kind of tools um when you are not familiar for example like for me
uh i i spend most of the time doing the coding in web 2 right and while you are going to the web 3
too, right? And while you are going to the Web3, like I'm not that quite familiar with Rust and
and then those tools can be super helpful to actually implement any of the function and
even you are not quite familiar with that language. So those are the tools like I personally use a lot.
So those are the tools that I personally use a lot.
Thanks.
Oh, yeah. Thank you. Thank you to you, my friend.
You mentioned something interesting also, the booking,
because it's not everything about creating the code,
but also what's next when you have the code
and maybe it doesn't work as you expected
and you want to improve, you start this
process called debug. You need to put some checkpoints into your code, analyze and improve.
And really good that we also have live coding tools to help you in this process of the debugging.
So instead of, for example, when you have a problem and you used to maybe copy and paste the error into ChatGPT, like help me to solve this problem.
And after you try different ways to solve the problem, but now you also have bytecoding tools that can help you to boost your debugging process, right?
Okay.
Hello. Yeah. Hello. Hello. boost your debugging process right okay hello yeah hello guys yeah yeah i want to speak something
over the vibe coding as per my experiences yeah yeah go ahead um i am satyam i'm a builder from
india and like i have over this agent ki space So like I used wipe coding as well as I built tools that help you to wipe code.
So from my experiences, what I found is that especially with the Web3 ecosystem, it is being very much useful.
Like let's say we know that there are some complexities of Web3 and like since it's a little new ecosystem for people to learn also.
So wipe coding provides them a platform
like let's say I'm a new builder and I want to get like let's say I want to get
him on boarded to our ecosystem then as an ecosystem we could provide them these
wipe coded tools within our ecosystem so that they could get a on boarded very
easily okay yeah thank you so much for your feedback um satya even i have a good idea for hackathon also
oh nice uh yeah may i share uh yeah let's talk about your idea and uh yes you can send me a dm
and we can see how can we work together to bring this idea into reality that's pretty pretty well thank
you so much thank you thank you thank you a lot thanks a lot uh okay thank you and let's go uh
with Devo in Nigeria yeah so as as a non-technical person that um i collaborate with developers a lot the the tools
i use mostly um are of course she mentioned figma but the um the fig jam prototyping and
the you know logic flow so that i can i can share with the developer that's working with me on
something like this that this is how i want it to work and of course i use lovable to to kind of
build the front end and and share with uh whoever is working with me on
it so that way i get to pass my message across to um to my developer and then i don't have to
go through the technical stress or the technical know-how to to um to get my point across so yeah
by putting has helped me a lot in in collaborating with developers and those are like i also i use
course or across mostly because I'm a student.
Yeah, those three tools have been solid for me
in my web coding experience.
OK, yeah, and I also can say that you, as a known developer,
you have great ideas about how to build different products.
And I guess that this is important, the combination between the idea and
the development. As far as I know, you are working
with a developer to bring a project
in Vara. Maybe we can talk about this in the upcoming
spaces, but it's really nice that you combine the experience
that you have in the business with the developers that you know in the ecosystem. Pretty nice. Okay,
last but not least, let's go to India with Vishal. What do you think about
these tools, Vishal? I guess that you already shared or am I wrong?
Yeah, yeah.
Yes, yes.
Okay.
So that's it.
Let's jump to the third question about what do you think, guys?
The vibe coding helps reduce the gap between technical and non-technical founders when building Web3 products.
We have heard some experience here, but let's hear coming from you guys.
Some of you are technical.
Some of you are not technical.
But what do you think in general?
And let's go with Michael,
that you have a really strong technical experience.
But how do you see this,
like the intersection between technical and non-technical?
Yeah, for sure at the beginning of the concept or at least for me when I start using or participating in by coding sessions this term for me was so strange. I believe it's just have a meetup with pizza and beer
and just cutting, chill.
But then realize that is a different concept
using the AI to start coding.
So, and I'm happy to do that concept
because from the roots,
when the environment feels playful and pressure free, the creativity flows
that is important, for example, for a startup journey
so that the core of bi-coding is that.
So I see two main parts in bi-coding for the dev track
that a lot of my mates mentioned before
and the startup track.
So at the end i believe that by coding
is a game changer because it lowers the entry barrier there is a lot of friends that have
a good idea for example in hackathons or in a startup startup programs but the lack of technical
in startup programs, but the lack of technical expertise, experience, or
definitely they don't have that kind of skills is a great barrier because
have fear or start learning, it's a long journey to start learning code.
learning code so definitely by calling lower the entry barrier for the order size for example
So definitely by going lower the entry barrier.
real-time collaboration is more easy to to start for example dropping some ideas for example
google docs and then use like a prompt to some ai assistant and start bringing some ideas to life.
So, uh, that's a cool thing.
Um, and maybe go from idea to interaction, uh, with some tools,
you can have a great prompt and make some specific.
And for example, using some tools, you can launch a whole project, the Web3 tech stack, so you can validate your idea, start using the potential clients, and iterate so fast.
So, yeah, I believe it's a game changer for the whole ecosystem, not only Web3, Web2.2.
So, yeah.
Absolutely. I do agree with you mitch and i guess that what all that you mentioned based on your experience is important to keep in mind for all the
people that wants to use uh these toolings because um i don't know if we have a hater here in the
audience of by coding i have talked with some people that they don't really if we have a hater here in the audience of vibe coding.
I have talked with some people that they don't really like vibe coding tools,
and it's okay.
It's not like maybe you can build from scratch,
and that's okay for you, then okay, it's good.
But it's interesting that you're a hater, Michael.
At the beginning, yes.
But my man changed.
Yeah.
Okay, yeah.
Interesting.
Because I guess that it's okay if you don't want to use this kind of toolings.
Because not everything is good.
The code is not 100% optimized.
And sometimes it introduces many libraries that you don't use. So the binary or the product that you get from these toolings are a little bit like heavy
and it's not really optimized.
But for boosting your development, as I guess almost all of us that we are here in the room,
we agree that it's good. It's a good tool to boost your development, right?
Okay, thank you so much, Michael. Geeky, can you share your feedback about this intersection between
technical and non-technical founders when building webtrip products?
Well, honestly, I'm not a technician, so I think web coding helps,
but it doesn't eliminate the need for technical expertise entirely at the moment.
But I think web coding significantly reduced the gap between technical and non-technical founders
in building Web3 products, which often involve complex technologies like blockchain,
smart contracts and the decentralized identity. Here's why.
The first, lowering the technical barriers.
And the second, empowering non-technical visionaries.
And third, faster iteration for market fit.
And the last one, I think think is collaboration with technical founders.
So I think for Web3 products,
it significantly narrows the gap
between technical and non-technical founders,
allowing rapid ideation and testing.
Though technical expertise remains vital
for scalability and security.
So this approach aligns perfectly with China's faster-paced innovation-driven tech ecosystem.
Okay, yeah, thank you, Kiki.
You mentioned that biocoding is not solving everything that you need a developer at the end I
do agree with this once you want to to have a product ready for production it's
important to have an experienced developer to optimize and improve what
you have as a result by coding process. Yes, absolutely. I do agree with this.
Okay.
And let's go with Debo.
What do you think, my friend?
Okay, can you guys hear me?
It's kind of raining here,
so I'm not sure if you guys can hear me but
yeah yeah we can hear you go ahead please so i feel like backpulling has made it easier
extremely easier for non-technical funders like myself to you know actively participate in the
product development process without having to feel left out or overwhelmed everything that's
going on now and it's i feel like it's less about
waiting for your technical founders your technical partners technical devs to translate the ideas
into code for you and more about everybody being everybody being involved in the creative process
everybody being involved in the product project process and um the energy it brings is is way more
collaborative than when you just have to dump the product documents with developers and with for them to, you know, bring the idea you have to life.
Okay.
Yeah.
Thank you so much, Tipo, for your feedback.
We are running out of time.
I guess that we are just going to go faster.
It's the last question, but I want to see if you want to participate.
Guys, if so, please send the request to start your microphone.
And you can ask a question here or in the comments but let's go with Vishal
just to finish the last question
yes yes can you hear me yeah yeah so whatever you're saying like it 100% I'm
agree like wipe coding is like the translator between you know code and clarity
look most non tech founders freeze the moment when you say the stuffs like RPC endpoint, runtime pallets or chain specification
but when you are you know when you are building the when you are building in the wipe you keep the jargon and show them the real stuff which
is working so here's what happened in the past so i built a mini dao contract using
substrate now it's overwhelming my co-founder with the code reviews or smart contracts files I just deploy it locally open the polka.js UI and
said here just try creating a proposal now what on it he did and he watched the transaction
confirms and you know he's like his eyes lit lit up and he said very happily and wait this is how on-chain governance actually works. I said yes
That moment right there like that's you know the wipe coding magic
they see the product in action and they get the value and they join the build loop and
We iterate together after that and no barrier between you know code and concept so I think that's why I say like wipe coding you know doesn't doesn't just
bridge the gap it turns non tech folks into believers so I think this is the
wonderful experience I had in past yeah this is my take
Yeah, this is my take.
Yes.
From zero to hero, right?
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, you should write a book, my friend.
It will be really nice for upcoming developers.
Yeah, thanks a lot.
Okay, let's see if somebody here wants to share a
feedback comment question. I don't see anybody here yet. Just
Turn your microphone on please if you are here or okay. I guess that we don't have yet anybody but
If you want to share something else my friends speakers, please go ahead before to close today's session.
Do you want to?
Yeah, Michael.
Yeah, maybe to summarize and give some insights that I can give to the public.
Start experimenting with the tools with no fear.
Then create a tool set set choose the tools that you
feel comfort with and then choose a path what you want to build a project or product because
that depends on the toolset that you will start using and then build your own pipeline for example
some output agents can be input from another agent so the idea is to create your own pipeline
that fits your needs
and fills your vibes
that's it
okay
yeah that was
really good feedback
and advices
for the community
that want to build with vibe coding tools
thank you so much, Michael.
Always we are glad to speak with you guys about your experience.
Thank you all of you for sharing what you know
and sharing your experience with the audience.
So I don't see anybody else or maybe.
Okay, Dr. Carl. see anybody else or maybe um okay dr khao
yeah i i just want to add uh one thing maybe related it's uh uh it's about like the non-technical
founder uh i know like uh it's actually the vibe coding is super useful, right? They transform those non-technical funder
from the passive visionaries,
but now they're active builders.
They can't actually build the scenes
without the technical background.
But I also understand some of the Vype coding haters,
the reason why they hate the Vype coding.
I actually talked to a few of them
and I think one of the big things about the AI generated code
for the non-technical funder
or someone who don't have the technical background.
They may just rely on the code generated by the AI, but actually the AI can also generate
some very weird code.
It's actually contains a lot of bugs.
And in Web3, I think it's quite risky while you can rely on the AI to generate a lot of bug. And in Web3, I think it's quite risky while you can rely on the AI to generate
a smart contract. And at the same time, if the smart contract has a bug, right? And later
on, you probably will have a, will build a product and all the funds will get hacked very easily.
So I think that's just something we should all keep in mind.
We cannot fully rely on the Vibe coding or the code generated by the AI for now at least.
A hundred percent. Yeah, absolutely.
That's why also we need a developer with experience,
but not only this, also the normal stages like the internal audit. And if it's necessary,
if we're talking about a smart contract in the DeFi ecosystem, of course, it's pretty much Pretty much like necessary to party. Audit.
Thank you, Dr. Cao.
Anybody here in the room want to share something else?
I saw Aditya, you join us again.
I don't know if you want to say something.
Or that's it.
Okay.
Yeah.
Well, that's a wrap for today's AMA. Thanks so much to our ambassadors in different countries, Nigeria, Mexico, India, China. Thanks a lot for bringing your unique
perspectives. And thank you to the entire community for tuning in if you enjoyed this talk follow vara network and stay tuned
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