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W3Exp🧼🎙️
Recorded: Sept. 18, 2025 Duration: 2:16:12Space Recording
Short Summary
In a lively discussion, crypto enthusiasts explored the dynamics of token launches, partnerships, and the impact of social media influencers on market trends. Key insights included the challenges of maintaining token value amidst volatility, the importance of community engagement for fundraising, and the emerging opportunities for yield generation in the evolving crypto landscape.
Full Transcription
Music You should end it, bro.
I should end it.
Mom, I'm saying if you want to go, you can go.
I know you're an oldie.
Here we go.
Damn. That's not even will's gaming chair
that's just a straight up wheelchair bro yeah so it's a wheelchair well i'm not i'm outside
huffing off paint and polycrylic uh we're making an eight foot by eight foot halloween
backdrop of bones.
And you know how heavy that is when you build that out of wood?
You really should wear a mask.
That shit's no joke.
Well, it makes me feel better when I don't wear a mask.
So it's a vibe difference.
I get it.
I get it.
One time I like
exhaled pink from like my nose
because
it was like pink.
Man, so I had to get the
very top of my nasal cavity
cauterized one time
because I was logging
like cutting wood in the woods and shit
and just cutting wood for
people for a long time and not wearing a mask and it had cut the top of my sinus cavity and they
what they do is they run like a this paper looking thing about the size of a pencil they jam it up
your nose pour some shit down it and cut it off and it swells to fill the cavity and you leave it
for like two days and then like it makes your eye bleed and shit and then when you pull it out
it feels like you get your brain sucked out through your nose.
It's fucking rad. That's crazy.
With arms
wide open.
I thought maybe Prophets fell asleep again
like last time. I was like damn that's wild.
I caught two times in a row.
It's cause spaces are literally the best thing ever, right?
There's no better app than this.
Luke, please, can you run that again, please?
With all my old time.
Hold me down.
I'm six feet from the edge and I'm thinking.
Oh, my God.
My arms wide open.
Yo, Lil' Cleans is fucking my favorite crypto Twitter person I haven't met yet.
We started Rocky, too.
He pissed me off when I first met him.
And now.
Yeah, you call her Stephanie.
I call her Heffany.
Alec, bro, my bad, Alec.
You was on a tangent.
Hold on, Alec.
I need to flame you, though.
I'm not going to lie.
I'm not going to lie.
How the fuck did you buy...
Did you buy OG before he's in the base house or after the base house?
Because that's also a big
big determination right now.
Before, but I was at
the base house hanging out and I saw OG
pull up as I was leaving. So I put
some two together and I was like, hmm.
Hmm.
So I made a decision and then
yeah, I top blasted it when he
first launched.
So you didn't get the ECA. Hold on, launched. So you didn't get the ECA.
Hold on, hold on.
You didn't get the ECA.
You were at the house.
Frank is all the way in New York, got the ECA, not at the house.
Yeah, well, first of all, according to Base House.
Hey, didn't you get the ECA?
By the way, FYI, no shade of ECA.
Does everybody get the ECA?
If that's what we work for, we work hard for the ECA.
Nothing wrong with getting the ECA.
Anyway, Alec, what were you going to say?
Base House prides themselves on fair launches,
so they weren't going to pass out the ECA,
but whatever OG did, OG did, you know?
Got you.
But that's so crazy to say.
Like, that's like,
I want to, like, talk on this.
There's no shot Frank got the ECA to that,
and I don't think the issue with that token was him not
locking the supplier updating tax fast enough the update the issue with that was he posted before he
went live which allowed people to ape in like if you've been trading ccm coins like the way he went
about it was just like not great but like it wasn't purposeful like it's not like he like
purposely grifted it like he told me a week ago like i got a call with him i was like brother
you like you should be launching a pump coin i'm like if you're gonna stream you want to do all
the content shit you want to do you need to launch a pump coin and he was like yeah bad let me hit
up an outline i was like okay bad and like he didn't even tell me like i got texted at like
1.2 mil or some shit they launched the coin. I was like this mother fuck Yep, and I did the fucking top and I lost three bands
Well, like Frank didn't get fucking easy a like
Like Frank and og and like those boys like they don't I know and I can agree that because I'm in his actual
Chad and he didn't post I should until he posted the video and everything was going on and I was like and I went back to look in the history
I was like did I miss something?
You know, I think also somebody was
Didn't didn't inside calls have like a bot running
Yeah, a lot of people did though like I literally know two kids that like I
Know a lot of people this place like two of these kids like i know this kid who literally got his friend who kind of like sort of resembles og to launch a fucking coin and
like rug the shit out of it like there's been people rugging og coins for fucking weeks and
it's been like free money for these kids to just rug og coins and so like there's been people with
bots like that i've been sniping these things and like i like he genuinely like i talked to the kid
last night on the phone he facetimed me like three times I was with my girlfriend I was like fine I'll
fucking answer Jesus Christ and he was like so stressed out he's like bro I literally didn't
tell you I didn't tell anyone and like this shit got murked and I'm like super stressed about it
I was like bro you're good like now you just gotta focus content like you got the bread for it like
everything he wants to do with content for the past months bro he hasn't been able to do because
of bread so like now he has the bread to do it and it's like i'm like dude just focus on content
like yeah your launch got fucked but like to sit up here and say like oh he fucked up here and here
it's like no he didn't the only thing he fucked up with was his launch like he tried to do what
was right but like he just doesn't get it like he hasn't been trading ccm coins like so you have to
go live and then you have to make the tweet and then you have to do this and if you don't do that then you're gonna get sniped all hell especially if you have
like any amount of cloud in the space so like i don't know i just want to defend him in the sense
of like he definitely i feel like you got to go live then you got to buy your own token then you
got to let everybody know and then you get a lot yeah but he doesn't have the capital like og's not
and there was a lot of ego going there,
and there was a lot of, like, him trying to actually do the right thing
at the same time.
It was a lot of mixed feelings.
And I could tell just from, like, being an outsider looking in
because I was in that chat.
A hundred percent.
And, like, I've been telling this kid for fucking two weeks
to launch a pump coin.
Like, I did.
I literally, like, I can post my fucking Axiom P&L like I lost like two bands on the coin
I don't I don't think anybody thinks that he had bad intentions. I think
It's it's not a bad intention conversation
I think well, no, but like someone literally said Frank at the ECA. That's fucking bullshit
No, that's actually Provis is just talking shit Bro, Golden, he know Golden's always right
That's fucking everything first
Yeah, no, fuck
Golden's always right, Adam, am I right?
Golden said CCM was the stupidest shit of all time
A week ago, and then he launched a fucking coin
Sorry, bro, the stupid mute button
That wasn't me, bro, that wasn't me
Oh my god She said it was the stupidest shit of all't me bro that wasn't me
oh my god said it was the stupidest of all time that he launched a coin yesterday so like
there's a no one no one and then got mad that cups he like dropped and made it a whole focus on that i'm with that golden is weird
yo who's saying this dumb man bro man? I think it's great that Pussler lost money on it.
That's the funniest part.
You're like, how did he accidentally...
He almost accidentally lost money on it.
Because it's almost like they control that internal cabal level.
So when I saw the funding on it, I was like, damn.
I'd shut the motherfucker down right there.
If I made that dude lose money, I'd shut the whole thing down.
Fuck it, y'all. The only thing about Mika that I think is interesting to look at,
because it's pretty easy to look on chain,
is the top trader on that coin created their wallet a day ago,
right before the coin launch, and has a 23k P&L,
and is still writing 2.5k.
Other than that, I don't really think there's any ins like insiders and there's two wallets that probably absolutely were like there's two wallets that were created
A right before the coin launch with a 23 K P and L and a 16 K P and L
So yeah, you could say like they they made 40 K on that but like besides that
Even if you look at it like that you said they made 40k it's like
how many times are you saying hello on chain sleuthery
yeah but is lucifer a speaker right now no yeah bro come speak i want to talk to you about this
i'm actually curious before luke comes up here i want to point something out like i made a post
like three or four days ago because i've onboarded web2 talent who have no experience in crypto so explaining to
them how to pay a dex and lock supply has been an utter nightmare and you know the importance of
sniping your own supply so that way you have control of your token yes they don't understand
right so when you guys say oh he should go live first you can't go live without
launching your token first of all and you're not gonna you're not gonna buy your token after you
go live you should buy your token when you're launching um to get your best entry as the as
the founder of the token yeah and then on top of that it's like it's so overwhelming it is so
as long as og has been in the space you don't think he would have an idea of how that works?
Well, listen, there's a difference between trying to get the camera going and also entertaining while also doing all these things.
That would be like asking profits if she has no idea what this is happening and if she can't get the resources to actually inform herself and then do it properly.
What are you alluding to? trying to say that when you say
that what are you alluding on well what i'm what i'm trying to get to is that there's a huge order
of operations and if you don't do those things you fumble the bag regardless of what his intentions
were i can tell you going live on pump fun and then trying to switch over to OBS is stress.
Get easy.
Don't make it easy for you to do that.
No, I didn't agree.
I think I do think this, I want to say this. We're saying that a pregnant woman who's giving birth understands that better than a person
that's here in our ecosystem regularly?
No, let's have this conversation.
No, a pregnant
woman was giving birth. She was not
paying the extra locking
supply. Someone else was.
Can you guys
hear me? You're live.
Well, yes, we can hear you.
Okay, I just
don't know where you can hear me.
We were stepping on you, bro
That's what was happening
You were getting stepped on
I heard a pregnant woman something
I didn't hear that conversation prior
So I thought maybe I was lagging or something
I didn't know what was going on
But look, all I'm saying is
OG's smart
He's a smart dude
I like OG, I think he's a smart dude. I like OG.
I think he's a good content creator.
But I will say this, too.
I want to throw this out there, and I want to be real about this, right,
regardless of how we feel about a person,
is you need some capital to get this going.
You do need some capital.
You need money to get your decks.
You need money to pay for all your stuff.
And you need money to get your own supply.
You have to get your own supply at the beginning. You to lock that and and that's those are the things you have
to lock in because it helps kind of control the floor and i think like if you're you you shouldn't
just run off the basis that the community will run your token because there will be farmers who
will farm your token and never let that come out the floor and some people are like well that's
fine because i'm still getting fees but eventually people will stop buying because they'll
get tired of getting farmed and i think that that can affect your token big time so i that's all i
wanted out there just from a trader's mindset thought process all that stuff i'm not again
maybe he's able to pull it off and fix it but up front i do kind of agree there's a little bit of an order operations
i've watched and they've been involved with too many teams and stuff like that not not involved
with the team but understood the back end on the team right like been in wheel chats and stuff like
that and seen what they were doing and with that being said every coin that i've ever seen launched
there is a specific order of operations that every coin that i know will be successful they'll launch a certain way and every coin that i've seen flop they've launched a
different way or the wrong way or started with no capital or so on and so forth and those coins tend
to have a much harder time coming back so just throwing it out there just my own thought process
as far as like how that goes but again maybe he's able to flip this background i went i went primarily
with mika in that situation
because I knew Mika had capital.
So I knew she would be able to kind of,
you know, she needed to allocate for that.
And that's why I went with her specifically.
On top of the fact that, you know,
I know that she has good intentions as a person
when it comes to coins, right?
Maybe there's some funny shit.
We can all agree, right? there's some some funny shit we can all agree right there's
always funny shit with coins but like i it's nowhere near as predatory as what i've seen on
many coins in the space i've seen way more predatory actions on many coins in the space
than what i saw happen on hers or anybody else's can you guys hear me now yeah we can hear you
okay my show is rugged uh i i want to disagree with that just because I've been playing this pretty well.
I've been paying attention. I want you to go look at Moose's coin right now
and I want you to go look at Mitch's coin right now. I think when you say the term
successful, I think that's a subjective term.
What does successful mean? Does that mean successful? Does that mean successful
in terms of three hours or does that mean successful does that mean successful in the terms of three hours
or does that mean successful in terms of long term apples and oranges but those are just older
what what do you mean moose launched today nobody likes moose and that shit was like moose moose
bummed out 80 of his coin he bought 80 of his coin today it's down how much that w yeah that was bad today yeah and it was you have alan
paying him directly to launch this coin he has 80 of the supply and the chart looks atrocious
i don't think you can say like oh there's an order of operations i don't think there's a
corrector to do this i think it's too early i think the issue with ccm is it's too saturated
i think there's too many coins launching I think if you have a
coin going well for three hours and then someone else launches the liquidity is moving elsewhere I
don't think it matters if you own 90 percent you own three percent you own 20 percent you own 10
percent I don't think it matters I think the attention is too distributed and I think people
value the pump and the dump of it I think no matter what you do you're gonna pump and the dump of it. I think no matter what you do, you're going to pump and dump. You could feel that way.
That's Adam, by the way, Will.
Adam, W3, don't be mad at Will.
Oh, I'm not mad at all.
No, I'm just discoursing here.
No, no, we're just making sure.
That's Adam.
With arms, bottle, jump.
Go ahead, Will.
And that's Lil Cleats.
The thing I wanted to say is we may not think that holding 80% of the supply matters, but it does.
Because all he's got to do is take that, send it to the incinerator, and he can pop his own chart back up.
Yeah, but you can look at that with Moose right now.
You can look at that with Mitch right now, and it's not the case.
It doesn't matter.
These all trade the same.
But what I'm saying is they could.
I'm saying Mitch could.
Yeah, but it wouldn't make a difference.
I'm saying it could.
It would definitely raise its floor, right?
But it doesn't.
If you burn a shit ton of tokens, it would raise its floor by quite a bit.
But it doesn't.
You've seen it over and over again.
But also look at the different kind of content that Mitch is producing and that also Moose is producing.
And in the short time that he was doing that.
Yes.
There's many circumstances of this. can look at pickleball you can look at resale calendar who's a massive
resale guy outside of crypto who made a coin where all the fees go to inflate the price of a pickleball
card like i was i was in that early i bought a bunch of the pickleball cards i'm like fucking
10 bands on these pickleball cards it's hilarious hilarious. But he bought 50% of the supply, 60% and burnt it.
I think it's hopped at three mil.
It's bleeding down now.
It's at whatever.
Again, it doesn't matter.
I'm saying that you can create a strategy around it.
A hundred percent.
But there's not like a, there's not like a, there you, it's, it's, it's rough to say like,
oh, this is the playbook that works because no matter
what anyone's done you could literally look at every single ccm coin whatever you want to call
these things streamer coins and it doesn't matter everyone's done something a little bit different
and all of the charts look the same it's a pump and dump like it it doesn't matter if you have
80 percent of the supply you have three percent of the supply all the charts look identically the
same i i i. I would argue.
Okay, well, argue with it and show me it.
What's an example?
Well, let me finish the conversation.
Go look at something like Goon.
Go look at something like Isain.
Go look at something like Nate.
All those charts are up and to the right.
But these were long ago.
These were longer ago.
This was before the meta popped off.
They're still up're still they're still okay so for that same thing gainsy was before the meta popped off yes correct and so the the the thing that we that we've been
basically going off of something i brought up the profits a while ago is typically you don't even go
towards the high cap guys you don't you don't buy the rasmiers and this is just my strategy i'll
throw it out there you don't buy the rasmiers. This is just my strategy. I'll throw it out there.
You don't buy the Razmeers.
Didn't buy the Mitch.
I'm not buying anybody who's big cap
because I know that those coins aren't going to do anything.
I look typically for undervalued new content creators,
never been seen before,
that look like they can pop off.
There's better R there.
But even that, they end up pumping and dumping.
Like, you can look at the other day, there was.
Base house guys, all of them are not pumping and dumping.
All of them have been up and to the right.
Almost every one of them.
Go look at their coins.
It's the reason why OG decided to go from his individual to based today in the morning.
Difference between a product and a service, right?
The pump and dumps is like the product of right now where the other guys are offering a streaming service.
You should talk louder, I think.
That works.
I don't know why you're being rude.
I mean, I'm just discoursing you.
You just talked over me.
You just spoke loud over me and I offered some conjecture.
You just paused right in the middle.
I was responding to it, brother.
I'm sorry.
Right in the middle of my
sentence no you're right that's that's how it works my phone go ahead okay base is down 50
percent gainzy whoever brought that up is down how much percent like i said i i didn't buy gainzy
oh and then i brought it up in like an example that that's a coin that launched before this
whole meta of pump fun he was one of the first streamers before two weeks ago that we got excited about this.
But all these charts look the same. You have two options for charts. They're either chopping
sideways and down 50%, Rasmur, based, all these original coins from a month ago. And then you
have these new coins that are pumping dumps like you, and it's not based on the creator. That's my point I'm trying to make.
It's the trading of the coin from traders that dictates this.
Like, you have this kid, what's the coin called?
It's called trader.
This kid traded a literal piece of shit up to, like, $3,000 worth of shit.
Like, he understands clipping.
He's done millions of dollars in views and clipping.
His coin topped at 4.3 mil.
It's down to 140k right now. And he's still doing shit. Like, and clipping his coin topped at 4.3 mil it's down
to 140k right now and he's still doing shit like it has nothing to do with the content like it's
literally just the trading and that's what i'm trying to say is like the trading of these coins
is what's killing them because the attention moves so quickly like we're not gonna see these
coins do successful for another week or two at minimum because there's so many new ones launching.
Like if I'm in a coin, I'm 3x on this coin, but then Johnny Sins launches a coin that just migrated.
Like, dude, I'm selling that shit and I'm bidding Johnny Sins.
And then if Johnny Sins is up and I'm 5x on that and then new coin launches, I'm selling that and I'm bidding the new one.
And because of that, that's how the market's moving right now.
Like you're not going to see these coins no matter if they bundle 80 no matter if they do this no matter if they do that no matter
if their content's incredible i would say moose's stream was pretty successful today i'd say this
trader kid streams have been pretty successful i would say most of these people's streams even
razzmar like his stream he did today was goaded like there's a lot of goaded content but it's not
the price isn't dictated by how much
they bundle or how good is their content it's based on attention it's attention markets it's
nothing i think i think you're taking like a specific example we didn't really discuss specific
examples we did well we weren't saying that this is the exact example right what i what i was giving
is an example there's lots of different ways you could can do it. But the point I was getting to is that you do need capital.
That's what I was stating most importantly.
But what I was trying to say is I think when you say that, it's incorrect based on the analytics of it.
Like, look at every single chart right now.
Okay, then show me a chart.
Then look at Mika's chart.
Yeah, even look at Mika's chart. That's a perfect example. Let's look at it. So you type in win right now okay then show me a chart look yeah even look at me because chart that's a
perfect example let's look at it so you type in win right now let's let's take a look at it okay
so it's at 400 it's at 427k market cap it topped at what let's see 1.3 so that's down 68 right now
it's chopping sideways you have a lot of these that are doing the same exact thing that's that's
exactly my point like own 30 of the coin own 5 of the coin own 30 of the coin pull up nate
n-a-t-e i don't see it is that nate the great what i'm not seeing that's it okay it's at 43k
yep okay let me go to like 12 hours.
Okay.
It's roughly down around like 50%, but draw the line across the lows.
Yeah.
No, that's what I'm saying.
Like it's just going sideways, right?
Like I agree.
Up and to the right.
That's where it's going.
I mean, but you can say up and to the right, but 30K to 40K, that's a $10,000 market cap.
I can put five soul in this right now and pump it.
I can put 30 soul into this and pump it. The point the point being is chart patterns are chart patterns that's
what i'm getting to and so some chart patterns look way worse than others depicted on how they've
been lost and how they've how they've gone since the beginning yeah but comparing a 43 market cap
is like crazy like comparing a coin chart of 30 to 40k market cap should have won one person.
Like, especially on these pump swap, the way the liquidity is set up, bro.
All right, let's, let's, let's, what's OG's coin on?
What's OG's coin on?
Is that what you're asking?
No, what's it called?
It's called OG.
It's at 181k.
Okay.
In the chart.
Yeah, it's not great.
Because we're, we're, we'rearing things and saying that this is The typical
But OG also hasn't gone live more than one time
For 30 minutes, right?
And the whole point of this is live streaming
I know, and he also made a video about this
So let's not downplay that one
What does that mean?
What does that mean?
No, he's making content about this
He already posted about it and he's sharing with other people.
So it's not like he's not proactively like promoting it.
I just think that like the meta,
if you want to have a quote unquote successful launch where you're getting
attention,
I think there's ego that's going into this,
especially from some creators where you need to like pop off and like hit like
one point some mil
you know what I mean
I better hit that shit if I'm not staying over a mil
bro why the fuck am I staying live
what the fuck
there's like ego of like
am I gonna be able to beat these other creators
on launch you know what I mean
and like everyone knows
in coins if you have like a hard rip to the
top that it's going to be a really hard climb back up because it does have to dump for it to
be successful like anyone knows that it's true like i don't understand why everyone's doing
these massive launch parties for their launch of their token when they could like quietly launch
and like have a slow and that's the best
thing you can do yeah exactly exactly it might actually be more beneficial to do that than have
like this giant spectacle but truthfully if we're getting down to the nitty-gritty most of these
creators don't really give a shit about the longevity of it they're doing you just want the
fuse because they want the fucking exactly exactly And so it's not like it's,
but everyone's going to dance in your face and play in your face and say like,
oh, I'm doing this for the people.
Like this coin is for the community.
Like, look at me and do this.
Like blah, blah, blah.
And like everybody's,
that's everybody's narrative,
but everybody wants the creator fees
and that's what they're going after.
They're trying to get as much attention
during this meta.
And that's the reason why births and fucking lamp heads and shit like that is happening on pump fun
and people are caring more about that and even like i said this on a space earlier but it was
devastating to watch orangey got on to the kindness stream and said bro i'm gonna like we're gonna send this we're gonna put you on um my my channel
like we're gonna fucking send this shit and then he dumped 60k in three different clips or something
like that on the stream and it's like what are we even doing at this point like we're all kind of
just like act I hate when we go through metas where we act like
we care about shit like i i it's like the giving the provenance of the art from the nft cycle like
no one actually cares about that's exactly it's exactly the same thing like you give a shit about
the art you just want number go up and that's why you're caring about this like no one actually
believes in shit anymore well if you're gonna go with that whole i no one gives a shit about anything
and him dumping into kindness and it would be like mr beast and like leap doesn't give a fuck
about giving back to water but that's like what are you saying like that's just not exact that's
that's exactly not what it is like no it's exactly people give a shit about the things that they want
to care about so orange you wanted to wanted to give like, I like kind.
I like kind because they just seem to want to give back to like people and anyone that wants to give back to like creators and our people that are doing like good.
So why are we bashing those kind of people?
I don't think she was bashing them at all.
I think she was bashing the traders.
Yeah, she's bashing the traders.
Said he was going to pump the bags and was excited about the coin
and while he was on the stream dumped the token
that's the issue with them
and here's
well hacking a bit for bullish on these
coins and these metas and these creators
and we're like oh I'm getting behind this person
you're bullish on price go up
I'm leaving this creator's longevity
no you fucking don't like you don't
care about
them once when are you gonna dump it you know what i mean it's it's i don't think that's
traders that's just people who can't trade right rugged people there's a there's a big difference
orangey's like one of the most voted traders in the industry
amy at the end of the day and sorry i have to be the one to go ahead and spank you
and tell you what's actually up,
but people don't want to come here
and just trade meme coins
and being part of a community.
They want to make money.
Exactly.
The biggest way
you can actually have a coin
go to like a trillion dollars
is you have to bundle,
first off,
95% of the supply
and trade,
they don't fucking rug.
Amy.
How many coins have you launched
that you've bundled
and that are at zero right now? Me? How many nights have you launched that you've bundled and that are at zero?
How many nights have you been?
How many nights have you looked at your wallet and realized, shit, I need more money?
Let's not.
No, it's not about Amy specifically.
She's talking about a specific coin.
Oh, she's talking about like kindness bag work?
Yes, just a specific coin, not Amy herself.
Kindness.
Let's focus on the coin.
Okay, okay. coin not amy herself kindness let's focus on the coin okay okay but just the the the idea that
these charity coins are going to be like the next best thing is fucking superfluous because people
don't actually care and i know it sounds dumb amy but like the average person who's trading
would they would kill you on stream if they could make two soul off of it they don't care that's
what she's saying that's exactly what she's saying.
What you're saying is that you have a man's mouth
that's more legitimate. Anyways, vote for me
in 2036. Peace, guys.
Yeah, vote for me in 2036.
This guy's a fucking retard, bro.
Wait, I want to make a point on top of all this.
Yeah, I don't know how you guys are talking through the mute button.
You guys have magical powers.
Real quick, we're going to go around.
Adam, I'm going to go right to you right now. Forgive me, brother
Um, thank you guys for pulling up. We're learning how to launch a pump fund tonight the proper way the right way on stream
Nuts out on the table. All right. Just kidding. Go ahead. We'll uh, go ahead adam. I'm sorry. Go ahead
Austin's a fucking retard that guys launched 30 coins right all of them
Um, he literally said He said superfluous
and I can't even fucking say it.
Like literally said exactly
what Amy was saying
and somehow made it misogynistic.
That was my favorite part.
Like somehow made it misogynistic.
Like actually insane.
Okay, I want to make an example.
Will, I want...
Will said fuck your driving skills
and then got in her passenger seat that was the
realest shit i've ever watched sat on the stick shift and left it in first gear will look at uh
type in pickle on on a chart for me quickly i just want to show you this because i think honestly
like i own none of this coin anymore so i'm not biased at all i just want to say i think this is
i want to i want to explain an example of it okay i think pickle vault is probably the best example of a way that someone's
done ccm in a way in the terms of like using the fees to do something wait even though the fucking
cards are worthless they're never going to be worth shit no but that's not true but that's not
true the cards okay and i'll give you an example, right? I bought a PSA 10, whatever the fuck, Ben Johns card for $200.
I bought three of them.
They're selling right now for $1,500.
So right now I'm up.
Like I have an offer on one of them for 800 bucks.
Like already, like what was that, Forex?
You can look at this chart right now.
It's trading more like a real chart than basically any other like uh fee earning coin there is and the reason for that
is because the fees there there's a beta play for people to make money other than trading the chart
itself so you buy this coin the coin does money the coin goes up this guy has a hundred thousand
dollars in fees that he's inflating the fuck out of 3,900 of these cards.
So there's a beta play for it.
So instead of people needing to nuke the coin to make their money, they can buy the card and make money.
It's the play for it.
You look at kindness.
I think kindness is probably the best example, other than this, of a coin that's using the fees to do good.
But the issue is the fees are going to make they're not
making the people who are trading the coin money the reason pickle is doing so well and the chart
looks organic in comparison to all their other coins is because there's a beta play for people
trading it to make money like for example me i bought this coin at 400k or whatever well it's
it's incentivization like the first thing when they had this pump dot fun shit, my initial thought was my favorite thing about the introduction of this is that you give creators the ability to bring on their own ads and sponsors. And like the, I can't remember, I think, I can't remember who was in this space, but they were like, no, that's definitely not what they're doing. And I was like, oh, you guys are shareholders. You definitely don't want them to get the money. Like, like this is the this is the most intelligent thing i would do because i mean there's no incentives other than
dumping the coin but would it be i'm gonna get this amount of numbers and the coin can directly
say i hate the fucking term motion but like let's call it market cap my personal market cap is this. And so if I can use my coin staked on your platform as an asset, because that's something that you can write off.
Now you can treat my coin as an asset and people can stake it.
And then they can get a discount on your thing.
I started bringing like old people business shit into it.
Because as Will knows, I'm a fucking old people.
Right.
But I was like, oh, I would do this.
Oh, we're not really interested in doing that like what being adults or or turning your five seconds worth of money into like quitting your fucking job in your 30s and in trying cocaine when you
don't get drug tested not trying to be an asshole try it when you want you had me in the first half
for sure right right in the second half a little bit there but i agree with what you're saying i think like here's an
example in this space like i'm like tapped in like i look into this shit like i'm retarded
polycool launched uh their like uh tokenized version of prediction markets this week right
instead of the coin pumping and dumping and people selling the news on this event for Polycool,
it didn't dump because there was an ability for their holders to make money on a beta play
and sell that so they didn't have to sell the main coin.
I think that's exactly what I'm saying with Pickle Vault.
There's money to be made without selling the main coin.
I think the biggest issue is people are going to these streams of these people. They launch their coin of their, it's literally their name. They launch the coin and
the entire chat's like, do buybacks, update the decks, lock the supply. But it's like that only
works for about three hours before it doesn't work and the coin bleeds. And then it's like,
you need to literally leak a Drake album and have Alon crime your chart for you to see a new all-time high i
think the benefit and the big thing about what these creator coins are is the fees that are
generated and what you do with these fees i think if you do good things with the fees like fuck
buybacks bro like that only works for so much like that's only going to do so much i think like again
pickle vault's a good example of it because you're pumping up a card
that your holders can make money on without having to affect your chart like there's there there's a
value here you realize that's the definition of a ponzi right oh absolutely and that's exactly
why we're all here right how do how do ponzi's typically in what what do you mean? Who's Italian in here, Will?
No one knows what Ponzi means, bro.
No, but that's why we're all here, right?
I mean, look, Wonderland was a great Ponzi, right?
It was a fantastic Ponzi.
Like, no one's here to own a percentage of Razmert, right?
Like, we're all here to make money.
No, no, but the point that I'm, yeah, that's exactly it.
No, actually, some of us wouldn't put money into those kind of things because we could care less and that kind of money wouldn't like change our lives
Almost everything goes to zero
Yes, exactly. Why would I buy a Rasmur token or why would I buy OG token?
Why could buy pickleball knowing this guy's a hundred thousand dollars to inject into these cards?
It's gonna pump the price of the cards and I can make money on not only the the the coin itself but also the cards how long does something
like that last do you think adam a couple of months right well i mean dude like hey how long
has the belief in religion lasted right it's all it's all a belief metric right like look at the
value of pokemon cards well but look at 136 000 he owns 17 of the coins he has 100 or a
percent of the cards he has 136 000 to inject into these cards where he already owns 17 of them this
guy's done it before like outside of crypto this guy's pump and dumped almost like if you if you look at wall street bets how they did gme how they did
uh amc how now recently there's this open door technologies which i'm up on that stock too which
is lit you have resell calendar who pumps and dumps like pumps pumps up like prices of cards
like specific undervalued cards in the card industry he now decided he's like well this
guy's the fucking michael jordan of pickleball pickleball is only growing like the thesis there
makes sense it's like okay he already owns 600 of the fucking 3900 cards give him let's fucking
give him fees to pump up the rest of them and let's all fucking ape these cards like it's literally
a wall street bets playbook but using pump fun in creator capital markets.
Like, it makes perfect sense.
Like, I think most of these coins were trying to act like they make sense, but they really don't.
Like, it's just pump and dumps.
Like, the culture of what we're creating for these people to launch coins.
It's like, yeah, you can make 30k day one, but then you're fucking in jail now.
Like, now you're a slave to this coin.
Like, your coin's down 80%.
Like, you better lock the fuck in.
Like, now you have these people feeling pressure.
Like, oh shit, I gotta do buybacks.
Because every single time I go live on PumpFun, my entire chat is down 80%.
And all they're saying is, pump the coin.
Fuck you.
You're a scammer.
Fuck you.
Pump the coin.
You're a scammer.
Update the decks
pay for boost and now these people are slaved to their coin for infinity as long as they're down
it's like what are you gonna pay a market maker no market maker is gonna pick up a fucking ccm coin
so it's just like we're in uncharted territory here or or you just sleuth the coins. What does that mean? Buy the launch, dump them, and you make 30k or 20k.
But then you're a scammer.
No, you're not, because you're not involved.
No, you're-
You bought before everybody else, or you bought on launch, and you sell on your 2 or 3x.
Brother, if OG bought and fucking sold his coin, this Twitter space right now would be titled og shoots as a
scammer and you know it dude the standards were like lower for dev behavior truly honestly which
is kind of funny because now it's like influencers allegedly the ccm market is is just a new it's a
new meme coin that's it it's just a new meme coin with a face on it yada yada we've talked about this creators and capital i would say it's before i i would say this don't demonize
traders traders bring the volume that's where the money comes from oh i mean i can say we can say
traders are hurting markets and traders doing this and that, but coins don't go up without traders. They absolutely do not.
Bro, the irony of...
But retail traders compared to market traders are nothing.
And if we want to talk about something being
McDonaldized versus retail,
then is there a comparison?
Well, no, you hit the nail on the head.
The problem with this space is it's mostly retail traders, right?
It's not actual trader traders.
It's not people that actually know how to trade.
Me and Provis had a conversation the other day,
and we bought a coin together, right?
And I said it went up 2 or 3x.
And I round-tripped it, and she's like,
why didn't you sell 2 or 3x?
I was like, because
and then she said, you're not a trader. I said,
trading does not involve buying something on launch
and dumping it. That's not trading.
I'm like, that's just buying launch
and dumping it.
He's still thinking about it.
You saw how endearing
it was. He was like,
it's not.
Everybody's speaking from their own perspectives.
And unfortunately, some of us don't know how to like eloquently explain ourselves.
In reality,
everybody has a different take.
Somebody already bought it at 40 soul.
Bought 40 soul.
He dumped 2X and he's happy.
He had a nice day.
Somebody else is holding for fucking deal life.
Oh my God.
I hope OG becomes the number one content creator in crypto i'm gonna fucking make it so much like
it's all perspective and you will talking to you you want to bring that up i'm gonna bring it up
like you're but there's still just a way to like wait you're going with size
hold on you didn't take coho's that's your your fault. You go in with size, and I expect you to leave with size.
So that's why I was like, yo, go in, go out.
That's it.
Have a nice fucking day.
You know?
You go in with size.
You go in with way more size than half of this fucking room, probably.
Like, I'm not doing that.
So that's why I say those are easy opportunities, especially with this shit.
This is way better than when fucking meme coins became a thing.
Motherfuckers would not let shit run.
This at least has some sort of fucking— It shit runs for at least a couple of minutes you got but that's
exactly what i'm saying it's pumping dumps like like exactly what you just said will is like that
that's what i'm saying like yeah i don't that that's more what i was saying like yes don't
blame the traders but you like you absolutely don't blame the creators like it's a zero-sum
game for them, bro.
The chart goes down.
It doesn't matter if they 80% bundle it or 10% bundle it.
The traders are pump and dumping this shit.
It doesn't matter what supply control there is or not.
Well, they're only pump and dumping what's not controlled.
No, but that's not true.
Again, you can't say that and look at Moosecoin, brother.
Moosecoin is owned almost 90%, brother.
It's down only tech right now.
All right, what's the market cap of Moosecoin?
780K, it's down 82%.
What's the liquidity?
120K.
Okay, so that liquidity would be 15K had he not bought as much as he bought.
But what does it matter?
The coin's still down 82%.
About one third, right?
Yeah, I think
Pump gives like 15k
for liquidity. So,
the point being is that
he owns 120k
of the liquidity.
And because he owns 120k of the liquidity, if he wanted to take 20K of liquidity.
But that's not known.
He owns 626K of the coin.
Okay, but what I'm saying is liquidity, right?
So the point being is.
Yeah, but that's not how that works.
It doesn't matter who owns how much supply.
The liquidity is liquidity.
Migration is the same price. Like 790K to 120 120k liquidity that's how every single pump fund coin is doesn't
matter how much the supply owns you can own three percent you can own ten percent an example of this
again is you go to og shoots coin there's a he owns 100 the market cap's 184k liquidity is 61k
that's the same exact ratio as moose coin where og owns three percent moose owns eighty
percent it doesn't make a difference for liquidity yeah but that doesn't mean no jesus done bleeding
either yeah but that doesn't make a difference but that doesn't make a difference they're both
down eighty percent no but it doesn't like you can literally use the math og is down eighty two
percent moose is down eighty two percent one owns 80 percent one owns three percent so what's your
argument my argument is days this hasn't been out as long it can continue to bleed you're comparing
something that has has been out you know a day to something that has been out for many days no but
i'm not they're both been out for a day oh boy they're all it's gonna go once the volume fades it's gonna
keep on bleeding i was gonna say i'm comparing two things that have been out for a day all right
yeah let's pull up moose moose has been out for less time than og and it's down the same amount
like i'm just using math here like i'm not i'm not trying to work in that sense they're both
been down for the same amount of time.
They're both down the same exact percentage.
One owns 80%.
One owns 3%.
That's my point.
Mooses will come down and find a floor before OGs will.
But I, but, like, you're...
Wait, wait.
And this one, just explain it to me how, when one person has...
No, explain that one to me.
I hate both of them, actually, to be honest with you.
I think they're bullshit.
That's my favorite thing you've said all night.
I respect it.
You can only sell into the liquidity for it.
That's it.
I mean, if everybody else sells out of the coin, he's only going to come down maybe 85% loose.
If everybody sells out of OG's coin, they can come down 95%.
That's not true.
By percentage.
From launch price.
No, but it will explain that to us because honestly, maybe I've just only been here three years, four years long enough.
And I kind of agree with that.
But if you explain it to us, then maybe'll be able to like have that critical thinking if og started at 15k and mu started at 15k from the pump fund launch and mu spot up to
100 you know 80 of his supply his floor is much higher than somebody who bought three percent of
their supply that is very true that is a liquidity liquidity. That is money. That's numbers.
It's not hard. You keep saying it's not true.
Okay, no, no. Now I hear you.
Somehow I just...
Hey, Hooked on Fikes weren't for Will, y'all.
Real shit.
The fact that Levi got co-host before us.
I don't know. There's a lot going on right now.
There's a lot going on, Will.
All right, but if I bought on top of 15K
and I own 45K on top of that that means i
mean 60k is the floor right if if i bought on top of 15k and i bought 5k on top of that that means
20k is the floor that means that the 20k floor can come down way more than the 60k floor does that
make sense i i i feel like we're we're literally saying we keep saying no it's not no
it's not yes it is bro hitting with that reading rainbow outro will hit him with the reading
rainbow baby that's all that's left so moose coin about let's say 20 minutes ago was at a $650k market cap. OG's coin 20 minutes ago was at a $250k market cap.
One of them owns 3% supply, one of them owns 80% supply, with about a 2.5x multiple difference
in the floor price. So what my point is, and the point that you brought up at the beginning,
saying people need to have capital to market supply, control the supply of their coins
is I think this exactly proves that no, that does not matter. If his coin could go down 85% to 600k,
OG owns 3% of his supply. It went up to 1.3 mil down to 250k. That two and a half X
down to 250k, that 2.5x doesn't really make much of a difference.
It's still down 85%, regardless of the 80% supply control.
That's kind of my point.
It's a pump and dump market.
If you're new, yeah.
What does that mean, though?
Explain that. If you're new, what does that mean? explain that if you're new what does that mean
well time and market is the most undervalued metric that we're no one's no one's taking an
account here what do you say explain that like like you don't know what the creator is going to
do you know how they're going to 100 that's what i said earlier you don't know how dedicated they're
going to be you don't know if that's what i said earlier 100 yeah 100 i agree i'm just saying like you know i hold the vast
majority of the creators like but i don't hold like in size i have like a 0.2 in this person
0.3 in this person 0.1 0.5 you know i mean i think people need to quell their expectations
where these market caps are going to go uh they shouldn't you shouldn't be expecting to trade like
meme coins you should trade like like like like think about like subs on a Twitch stream.
Like how fast will market cap go up if someone's supporting them little by little, you know, person by person.
And obviously you're going to have your big whales in that are supporting you to help control the supply.
But, you know know that's this
part of a strategy of being a business right um and then you want to make it so no one can no one
can attack you and make it way more expensive if someone can't control two percent of your supply
with three solana yeah so you don't want somebody else controlling your supply exactly and that's
what a lot of people don't understand if somebody else gets control your supply you're fucked as a creator and the advantage to that too is you can use it
for incentives marketing blah blah blah blah blah blah blah you know what i mean it's just
you want the speculation out you want you want the attention spikes out and you want to build
via loyalty not not attention i agree i just think like not everyone that launches a creator coin
has $15,000 to bid and own 80% of their supply.
My point is, I think no matter if you own 80% of your supply
or 3% of your supply,
because of this is so early,
you're going to pump and dump no matter what.
And again, you can use the proof of looking on chain
at every single one of these
coins they all pump and dump because there's so many new ones launching like no matter if you own
fucking 95 of your supply or three percent of your supply you're gonna pump and dump and i agree with
no i don't think there's no point i think in longevity i agree with you like if you own 80
of your supply i think it's good because you have 80 there's only
20 in the open market you can look at somebody else can't manipulate yes no i agree with that
but i'm saying short term it doesn't make a difference like these are all they all pump and
dump like they're all pumping dump i literally headhunted every single person that i thought
may have had of that like over a couple percent of my supply i got them out before i like before
i got my
investors in what it's it's one of those things where like i didn't want anybody anybody that i
didn't know personally or i couldn't trust to um to before before we started doing the whole
walk-up deal so i don't know it to each their own but you but but you can't manipulate time you can only earn trust over
time i agree and and and people can manipulate charts but you know the advantage the advantage
of having uh the advantage of of being a living breathing meme is that you have customer service
the moment you turn on the stream hey what's up hi i'm here instead of just like someone hiding
behind a pfp and some wild ass like you know tg
and shit like you're literally directing to the talking to the dev directly and i just think
i'm not everybody i'm not saying everybody has to have capital start i'm not i'm not saying that
but i'm saying like you you have to get control of your supply because traders will manipulate
and take your supply control i'm manipulate and take your supply control.
I'm just saying your supply control. There's always a bigger fish out there.
If they think that you can push numbers and they think that you can go in and get people to buy your token, they will come in and buy the majority of your supply and then continue to manipulate
your supply. So it could never get out the floor. You know what's interesting, Will,
and I'll agree with you. I think if OG had had the capital to have 80% of his coin,
I think it would be at a higher market cap right now
because of the fact that it went as high as it did
without him having supply control.
Had he had 80% supply,
I think the price would be a lot better now than it is right now.
So I agree with you with that.
I just want to say, again,
I think if you have 3% supply, 80% supply,
no matter what short term,
you're going to pump and dump because it's an attention market.
And because there's so many people launching new coins,
I live in a house with Frank D gods.
Ain't no way.
He doesn't live in a house with Frankie.
I used to,
but I learned the ways you touched it.
You touched it.
You touched the best trader in our fucking niche.
I would have never done that without getting my fucking God to give me
the alpha first, man. He's just, he got a little too excited in my opinion.
Well, there's personal stuff. It doesn't matter, like you said, right? It's a slow build at this
point, whatever. It doesn't matter. And real quick, I want to add, like, you have one chance
to make your first impression when it comes to converting new holders and community members, right?
And the disadvantage we're seeing in this space is people coming in and they're getting
wrecked over and over and over because their friend is like, all right, fucking Bag Works.
And they're fucking stuck holding a bag.
And now they have a bitter taste in their mouth.
It's really imperative that if you're going to turn on the advertising button, you're
going to start doing $5,000, $10,000 ad spins to bring in a whole new slew of new eyes
but the issue the issue with that because i agree with you and in principle and on paper
but the issue with pump fun ccm coins right now and no offense al and i literally was dming him
today about something unrelated i like the guy i think he's a fucking genius i think pump fun is going through the same issue bonk went through
in the sense of their runners run because they crime them you look at bagwork pump team literally
crime that shit i agree you're you're looking at these coins like if again you own five percent
supply you want eight percent supply people are losing coil on coil on coil on it's literally
if they decide they're gonna crime your shit they're gonna crime your shit otherwise you're
pumping and dumping 80% supply control 3% supply control or not you're pumping and dumping we're
too early to this we're gonna see in two weeks who's about this and we're gonna see as the
narrative grows and shit we don't even comprehend right now like oh shit no what no wonder that
pumped the price like there's things that are gonna pump on the press i mean bro the bag work has literally leaked
drake's album it was viral everywhere it was on aiden ross's stream drake literally called
aiden ross said who the fuck are these kids that shit pumped to 50 mil it's still down 80 percent
right now even with the alan and pump team crime so we're too early to this shit what worries me bro is the crime of the pump
team pushing these things that that worries me and it gives me like pump and dump like not long-term
bribes really worry you though and really worry it worry well i like trust me i mean there's money
to be made like dude i bought fucking i bought trader i bought trader but but what i'll say
again dude will is i bought trader
at 90k there was no supply control on that shit it went up to four mils up like fucking 30 bands
like i round tripped the shit out of it i only made like six bands or some shit but still like
fucking 500 bucks to six bands like i was lit but what i'm saying is like it's just like it's so
new it's nice because it's it's an easy trade there's no way for these fnfs to vamp it like
it's not like it's like either this person live streaming or they're not like you can't vamp this
shit you can't like morph yourself into this human being like a fucking changeling from star
track and fucking start alive so it gets lit there's money to be made but it's not long term
right now it's literally like a few hourhour trade, one-day max trade,
and then it's like, okay, who's the next person to go live?
And then the person who's fucked is the person who went live,
regardless if they bundled that shit 15% or not.
On a 1 or 2 or 3x, I think a lot of these are good to play off the launch,
but I think there are some of these that are very tradable.
But after they retrry 80%, right?
Well, yeah, yeah.
But you could trade for like another two or three X after that, right?
You could trade for another two or three X after that.
Yeah.
And you keep trading these coins through their ranges
because they're being-
Like I'm looking here, again, not shitting on OG.
Like I don't want to use him as an example, right?
Like it's too new of a coin.
But somebody does own 25% of the supply. That somebody does own 25 of the supply that's him and
he does if that's him that's good the the point being that i'm saying though is is you don't want
this person that owns 25 or 50 or 60 to be some random ass person you don't know who the hell
they are and you're sitting there streaming and this person has control of your supply dude the
flight the flight to safety is going to happen.
And I'm telling you,
traders are going to become hip to this shit.
They're going to see people launch
with no upfront capital.
They're going to see they didn't buy any of their supply
and they're going to take control of their supply.
And then that person is going to be streaming
to be able to make other people money, basically.
When you say flight to safety,
what do you mean by that um like the
proven track records like time and market um just you can just look at the chart pretty much like
you can just you can just tell like like if a chart's going up on very little volume
that's a that's a lot safer than a chart going up on massive speculation
but like another example that i want to say is like
look at the unemployed chart right now like this kid got paid directly from alan to launch what are
we down i was making fun of bag works the other day 92 percent down like this kid's like he's got
highest budget content you could fucking make it's just it's a pomp and dump market bro it's people have to quell their
expectations it's an attention market it's absolutely an attention but attention is cheap
loyalty is very expensive exactly but that's what i'm saying like it's gonna be a multi-week play
like it's like it's a quick it's a few hour play if you're in and out but if you're trying to buy
this shit for the long term like you gotta expect to be in pain for a very long time and like it gets to the point where there's so many you have 50 different options of
coins to buy like all of them are down 90 right now so it's like okay now the bet is who's gonna
figure out who's gonna either a get the alan crime candles with the volume from the pump team
or b who's gonna figure out how the fuck to make a coin go up.
The issue is,
and what I hate is when people are in spaces and they're shitting on the
person launching,
it's like,
dude,
it didn't matter if they put 20 K up or fucking a thousand dollars up,
dude,
their shit was going down 90%.
No matter what,
man,
it's like,
it's all the one pump chumps.
That's all it is.
And you're,
you're all,
you're also helping volume too.
If you do buy your token.
So it does help you as a creator because you're going to get that money back to volume.
Oh, 100%.
Even if you buy your own supply, you'll be fine.
I just think it's smart.
That's all I'm saying.
Oh, no, I agree.
I agree.
I think it's smart.
Dude, people on Twitch and Kik and the viewers like nothing more than bounties they like
rewards they like things you can do and things you can do and connect bro like imagine every new
person that comes into your stream you can give them a little chunk oh and they're and they're
fucking pumped bro a lot of these kids don't have any crypto let alone any money 100 bucks
no no it's like dude like 20 000 30 000 no it's it's it's called a watch to earn and and people
and instead of like you become part of the community with with financial incentives to
make that person popular but like like i said people have to quell their expectations they
have to they have to get out of the meme coin mindset and and get into this new evolution of
what a creator is doing because i'm getting people hitting me up that aren't streamers.
They're just fed up with not making any money on Instagram.
They're like, I'm making these high-quality shit.
I'm putting out all this content, and I'm not getting paid dick squat,
and my accounts aren't growing.
I'm like, all right, come over to the little pond
where you're going to be a big fish,
and you're going to get a whole bunch of new people, you know people that's why like when when people say it's diluted it's like i don't
think it's diluted enough i think twitch you need to look at twitch and kick and all these other
platforms they're way more diluted than something like pump but the issue is it's the the only thing
i'll disagree with that is there's not a coin attached to it there's not a coin attached to it
in the sense of like once you fucking launch a pump funds dream bro especially these people who are contracted by pump one which is a lot of them
like most of the high market coins they're getting paid monthly by pump fun and i know this for a
fact like now you're like i hate to say it but like bro now you're kind of a slave to that shit
bro it's like you can't even but but it's it's a toxic job in the sense of like, for example, this
trader kid who is trading a shit coin up to trying to trade it up to a house.
He's like, bro, I can't even open my chat anymore without my chat saying pay for boost,
pay the decks, do a buyback.
You have 20K.
Fuck you.
You scammer.
It's like, what the fuck?
It's like, he was better off just fucking booting up a kick stream, dude.
Like, it's like, like yeah quickly he made a bunch
of money made 20 can fees but like fuck me man and i feel sorry for these people like i'm quitting
my job i'm like good dude yeah yeah that same volume you got at launch brother yeah you're
done that's that's exactly my point it's like that's the shit we have to get over and we haven't
seen that uncharted territory right now yeah that's like super off-putting for a normal person you know i i think a lot of these individuals who popped off
got 20 30k start will probably average out about what a regular job will pay them you know 60k to
80k a year tops i think that's the most a lot of and let's be real dude like there's there's a
hundred thousand concurrent live streamers on Twitch alone at any given moment.
Yeah, but their chat's spamming, their chat's gifting them subs and saying,
WW, fuck yeah, bro, you're cooking, dude, because there's not a chart attached to it.
They're not financially attached to it.
But now the gifted sub is buying the chart for five bucks.
Cause I'd rather have a million holders at $5 a piece.
But that's not the sentiment people have when they buy it new people don't understand you know that's that's my point
they all still think crypto is a scam bro only eight percent of the world owns crypto go outside
ask your homie if you own crypto they're all gonna say no the the other the other thing too
to that point like it it is it is similar in some ways but it's also not similar in others because
kind of the what adam was saying is like these people that are buying the token those people can also sell the token when they want to
so they can give you the five dollars but then they can take the five dollars back away when it
becomes twenty dollars now they've taken away from your pot that they've given you whereas like if
you go on twitch you get gifted gems or something like that right that stuff the issue too brother is they they get distracted by their
content where say they're say it's a streamer who's out in miami like like fucking around with
people or interviewing people they say hey chat they say hey chat what should i ask them the
entire chat spamming boost your coin asshole do a buyback lock your supply it's like they can't even read their
fucking chat that's basically what i came up i wanted to humbly ask you guys what's up with
that shit because like okay i learned about pump.fun having a live stream feature i'm always
looking for live stream features because they're dope as an artist creator and gamer i i that's
where my money is you know like that's where i like to be
and i like monetizing what i love to do which is gaming and art so me i'm thinking okay it sucks
that i have to create a token to like go check out the features but i did it right on a burner
and then i also put in the description hey don't buy into this if you do like you know tough luck um i'm just testing out
features and then i also put if somebody does buy whatever fees i make i'm just gonna put back
into the freaking coin itself and then bounce because again i i don't care about the whole
that bullshit like i just want to know how it works because like i i believe in front running
like this shit before it gets all wild but something that i
realized right off the bat i mean yeah but i mean like when it actually expands and establishes
itself but here's a good analogy treat treat pump fun like a new instagram and your market cap like
you're following straight up dude that's the thing is just like everybody keeps trying to give me
advice on this shit and it sounds like it's like this corporate stuff,
like from a person who just wants to treat it like just straight up like,
hey, I'm going to be streaming games and whatever else I decide to do.
Maybe we'll go.
You know what I told?
You know what I told?
I jumped on a call at the trader kid literally last night.
I don't know if he wants to be saying this, but I DMed him.
I said, hey, bro, like watch your stream tonight.
Like I'm noticing you're
a little bit too worried about the price i was like bro like you understand content just focus
on your content man like you launched us with a vision to fucking trade shitcoin all the way up
to a house like focus on that bro if you get a viral clip and you do a clipping on tiktok and
facebook and everything and it blows up fuck yeah i was like the worst thing you can do bro is
again these are pump and dumps bro like. Like your chart pumps and dumps.
No matter if your content is goaded or not, bro.
I mean, again, look at bag work.
Their coin's down to how much and they've done some goaded shit.
I mean, bro, I agree with you.
I agree with you.
And like, I'm not even thinking about it like that.
You know, like I know it'll go down to zero.
I know it'll happen.
You know, this place can easily be manipulated by like people that have size.
I don't.
I don't even have motion. I straight up just went on pump that phone got like 6 12 viewers i thought
it was cool i was just like okay like my question and where my mind went to was can i build a
community here first and then see whatever comes of it but dude put this from a perspective brother
if you have over 15 viewers on twitch you're're in the top 3% of streamers on the entire platform.
Look, at the end of the day, if I were to do it,
I'll just tell you guys how I'd do it.
I would get on there, I'd launch the coin,
I'd do all the things that everybody wanted at the start,
get the decks paid and all that blah, blah, blah.
And then what I would do is I would only stream
based off of what I wanted to stream.
I wouldn't focus on chart price.
I feel like people are focused on chart price.
What I'm trying to get at, though, I'm really long-winded.
Sorry, y'all.
But I'm basically just getting at, like, yo, what up with everybody trying to come at me?
Like, you haven't paid Dex.
You haven't done this.
I had somebody threaten me.
Turn the chat off.
Don't worry about the people in the chat.
Yeah, there's greedy holders trying to get to the back. but it's fucked up though
because like I want I'm looking
for communication you know I'm trying
to connect with people but anytime
I try to open myself up 90%
of those people but it sucks dude because that
means like what the fuck is a normie gonna find here
exactly no exactly
that's the biggest issue with like
I come here like being like right
you know you want to be like okay I want to show you my life or I want to do something
cool or share what the fuck I do.
Like shit.
Profits could be just doing her show there, you know, and no one gives a fuck.
They would give her shit.
No one gives a fuck.
No, that's exactly the issue.
That's what I've been saying this whole time, bro.
So how, so is it a culture issue then?
Absolutely.
It is.
It is.
It's a platform.
You want to do it?
It's the way the platform presents itself. Right. I don't believe it's a platform you want to do it it's the way the platform
presents itself all right i don't believe it's the platform's fault though i don't think it's
well dude for every hundred people you're gonna get two loyal new community members
when i went live on stream today uh there uh i got like 2 000 in fees which was pretty cool to see
how many words did you see jonah how many what how How many words did you see, Joda? How many what?
How many N-words did you see?
I got one white, so I didn't get any.
But I got really funny ones.
So I had like four dudes saying, if you don't put this 2K back into the chart, you are a scammer.
Your family hates you.
So dumb.
We're going to fine you.
I said, that's great.
I'm taking the 2k.
I'll see you tomorrow on stream.
So dumb.
But that's what I'm talking about.
Tell them to sell.
They'll be like, bye.
See ya.
No, I just like, thanks for the 2k.
But that's exactly my point.
That's exactly my point.
And why you'll never see these high value streamers come off of whatever they're doing and go on pump fun, bro.
No, absolutely not you have
to grow them from scratch organically who like these basically you need an evolved streamer
who is basically from the old cod lobby days who can handle the level of toxicity because it's
almost like rearing a wild horse like you have you have to fucking train it and, like, you know, put the fucking hooves on it.
That's what the audience says.
They need to be fucking...
This is no different than Iggy Azalea launching fucking MotherCoin.
It's the same exact thing, except there's a live stream.
Show your ass.
Show your ass.
But Jonah is hitting the nail on the head.
Like, it is the old COD days.
Like, I went into, like, I want to say, 20 different streams today.
One lady was giving birth and going to name her kid Alon Jr.
Some of them were setting themselves on fire.
Yeah, that already happened last cycle, though, too.
And then there was another person who was handicapped and brought a bunch of people.
And I'm just like, okay, this is where we live.
To be honest, he deserves it, bro.
He got a terrible dice in life.
I think he deserves every bit of rugging he can do.
But the point I wanted to get to is that in all of these chats,
all I seen was like inward, inward, inward, paydex, inward, inward, inward.
Say pump fun.
Say pump fun.
Hold up three fingers.
Inward, inward, inward.
Tell your kid pump fun.
Dude, I had a podcast guest today
which is Jiho, one of the founders of
Ronan Network. They're like, if
Jiho doesn't tweet this shit, he's gay.
Oh shit, Jonah?
Yo, is that Jonah?
He was funny, by the way. He was like, fuck it, I'll
retweet it.
Yo, Jonah.
Hey Jonah, when's your
thing going to be ready I want to try that shit out
it's already
ready we're just doing it
let's talk about my investment right now
the most genius
yo Jonah
product
we just updated the algorithm today I gotta send you this shit
we now have an AI
doing a second screen before it hits the dashboard we have the algorithm plus i gotta send you this shit we now have an ai doing a second screen before it
hits the dashboard we have the algorithm plus the ai now working we gotta talk uh tonight after the
spaces when you jump off on my plan on things and what i think you should do like there's a angle i'm
kind of rotating towards i want you to 75 a month or 25 for the businesses it's 650 a month or $25? For the businesses, it's $6.50 a month minimum for creators.
If they pay before October 15th on the wait list, it's $24.
After that, we'll probably bump it to $50 to $55.
I got on the wait list, but I never paid.
So you just pay before October 15th, and you'll lock in your discount price.
15th and you'll lock in your your discount price at 24 a month uh yeah but like we're not we're not
At $24 a month?
we're not going to turn on your automation of the payments until we're out of early access so it's
just a one-time fee until we turn everything on yeah did you finally do that only fans idea i
fucking told you about well i mean we basically can with this tool so by the way if you guys if
you guys want to like fight the crazy chats in Pump,
just ignore them and just send them to Twitch.
A lot of people don't want a KYC.
A lot of people that are pretty toxic.
The filters are really advanced over there.
And you can also profit.
But it almost defeats the purpose.
No, it doesn't because if you think about it,
PumpFun is just a vehicle for a token.
So is it a multi-streaming angle?
Yeah.
Is that the angle you think it is then?
Absolutely.
It's literally just another platform
that you can get visualizations on.
So you know what I think?
I think they need to integrate high levels of moderation
built into their platform to make it so it's not that.
Like, if they really...
For sure.
Yeah, and so, again, that's what I'm saying.
I think we're a month away from seeing, like, the true potential of this shit.
I think I'm two seconds away from asking Golden a question.
Yo, wait, really quick.
Can I ask Lucifer his thought process on Mika's coin being bundled, by the way?
No, you can't ask that question.
Yo, Golden, how's Collect doing?
It's doing good.
Fuck yeah.
Okay, go ahead.
Ask Lou that shitty question.
Who's talking right now?
You can swipe in the...
Awesome.
I brought up Golden, the number one creator in creator
Capital Markets. I want to go ahead and jump
into his coin.
That's actually a very good
floor right there.
I got four million coins.
Golden, what's the alpha?
I didn't even honestly
come up to talk about that.
I'm going to let you finish, Golden.
Yeah. Oh, I'm going to let you finish, Golden, but... Yeah.
Oh, okay. Okay, my bad.
I thought you came up to talk about your...
I put my bags, Golden.
What did you come up here to talk about?
No, I came up...
I just thought, like, I was listening...
I just heard a lot of...
I don't know if it's cynicism or nihilism.
And I can't really
identify with a lot of that
you know the
I think Amy was saying
I think the Pump Fun
streaming is great
it was a different
you made two bands today motherfucker
it was a different
of course you like that
shit
dude the people who pumped and dumped my chart made more than that Of course you like that shit.
Dude, yeah, and the people who fucked it up my chart made more than that.
So everyone fucking ate.
Jonah, you don't hear Golden talking?
Yeah, you piece of shit. Oh, I didn't.
Sorry, my bad.
You fucking piece of ass.
Hey, hey, hey.
Guy using homeless man as a prop to promote his bundled coin.
What's wrong with bundled coins?
Is there an issue with bundled coins?
I'm hearing a mix of reviews.
Who is this you're talking about?
Oh, you're talking about Moose.
Golden, I don't know when you're trolling anymore, but...
That was a hilarious tweet, by the way.
I don't know when he's trolling anymore.
No one is trolling anymore.
No, that was genuine for sure, and that was hilarious.
No, that was genuine for sure.
That was hilarious.
It was like the most 2017 content strategy stream of all time.
Golden, I'd love to hear your thoughts on that.
Where?
Which one?
On your tweet about Moose.
Oh, yeah.
I don't know.
I think he's kind of a scumbag.
Wait.
Wait, really? He just my nice yeah well sometimes the nicest people are the most evil but uh so yeah anyway but i didn't come up for that either
i just decided to pin it for entertainment purposes i don't know man like i you know the
you know i might be like sound like a bit of a hypocrite because i was critical of you know, I might be like, sound like a bit of a hypocrite because I was critical of, you know, content creator coins.
And then I did one two days ago, but like, I don't view myself as a, as a content creator.
I'm not, I don't create anything.
I just give commentary and like, I'm, you know, collectibles.
That's what I know.
That's what I like.
You know, I've been hosting spaces on collectibles for, I don't know, three years.
And it's usually random.
You know, if you follow me, it's usually like, okay, space in 10 minutes, you know, random. And
sometimes often they're good conversations. Like, you know, but, um, so it didn't, you know,
I was like, okay, well, you know, I'll just experiment with this. And honestly, just kind
of made a decision on the spur on monday afternoon and it's a not surprisingly
it's a collectibles oriented show it's just me talking for 10 or 15 minutes three nights a week
but like you know concentrated sub topics about collectibles nfts sneakers one piece cars which
has really caught my attention by the way um you should people honestly i don't care if you like
buy the coin or not,
listen to streams.
You should be looking at my tweets about what cards to buy in one piece
before it's too late.
It's the next Pokemon, probably, for a lot of reasons,
but that's a different discussion.
I don't know.
I think I'm a curator.
I'm not a content creator.
And I think that there's a place for subject matter experts
that are curators and not content creators.
I think there's also a different category that's creatives.
I keep on using this example of an artist, like a painter painting on stream or something.
This artist obviously doesn't have control over price action, but at least he or she, especially if they don't have a lot of money, they can maybe make something on the side to pay their rent or whatever. I don't need the money, guys. I really don't have a lot of money they can maybe make something on the side to pay their
rent or whatever like i don't need the money guys like i i don't i really don't i don't like this is
just fun for me you know if i'm doing like a 45 minute space about collectibles non-sponsored
i've never taken any allocation from anybody no one would dare approach me for an allocation or
anything like that because they know it probably you know screenshot it and then post and then dunk on them so i've never ever been approached for anything um they're like
i've never hosted anything sponsored probably will never will i was like yeah all right i'll
just kind of do that you know for 10 or 15 minutes but then like i didn't want to dox
so i decided to buy a penguin mask on Amazon for $15 last night.
And it comes in tomorrow night.
So I don't know, man.
This could be like a beautiful experiment or it could be a failed experiment.
You know, I'll give it a shot.
But I'm going to talk about one piece of cars tomorrow night.
Somebody else with a big ego.
All right.
That's what it is.
We both have big egos.
How do you?
That's true.
I can't do it
because i don't want to see my shit at 20k if i'm live for more than an hour it's gonna bother me
yeah you don't need to i mean like how do you handle it internally i don't want to talk i don't
want to talk for more than 10 or 15 minutes like i don't want to hear my voice for more than 10 or
15 minutes so and also if you can't if you can't like the worst the the reason why people why spaces on here suck so much not
yours most speakers because they're not concise right that nobody knows almost almost nobody i
don't like speaking absolutely almost nobody knows how to do an elevator pitch like if i wanted to do
a great elevator pitch for my coin i could have done it. But I don't need to do that. I'm not going to do that. Most people who do that, who try to do that, fell miserably. They do 45 seconds,
three minutes. I start looking at the wall. I'm like, what are we doing here? But you can make
your points in 10 minutes. If my goal is to provide alpha and collectibles, why do I need
more than 10 minutes to do that? You want me to make funny faces and dance around like a monkey for another 50 minutes?
Or do you want me to say, look at this eBay listing.
Here's your budget.
Maybe you should go buy that card and then actually do something that might benefit you from investment.
How much are you up in fees right now, Golden?
I think I made $900 in fees.
$900.
I didn't do any...
I only did 20% of supply.
Jonah, how much are you up today?
Let me get a dollar.
That's total, by the way.
Yeah, let me hold a band.
How much am I up in what?
Today.
Two bands, I think you said.
What did you do today?
Why are you up so much today?
You showed his tits.
Because I have fucking motion.
Can I hold the band?
Oh, my God.
Hold on.
Hold on.
I have to picture Jonah's face saying that.
Jonah, never say that again.
Never say that again, Jonah.
You do have motion, but you're not allowed to say that.
You know what I mean?
You're not allowed to say that.
I'm just going to get another band.
Jonah, can you sing a Cardi B song?
I'm not going to lie, though.
Hearing that Golden only made $900
makes me think I never want to launch.
Well, the thing is,
so in line with what Adam said,
so here, so Will,
like what Adam was saying
was that these coins pump
and then they dump,
and he's right.
So I did the launch like
no uca like didn't give i didn't give a sold uca not even like like the one group shot i'm in like
no no uca there even seriously and i did the coin and then i like at 750 simmons before the first
episode or show i i gave like on the on the twitter that thing ran up to 105k like within
three minutes and i had i had the app up and it was hilarious like it was like not too and cupsy
bought cupsy lost money on my coin that's that you dunked on cupsy yeah i know that guy can go
that was me that was that was literally me i'm the one that dumped on Cubsie. Yeah. Amazing. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
That guy can go suck a dick.
Like, how many times has he lost money?
Serves him right.
But the...
He's like 17, dude.
Yeah.
But the...
I pinned it.
Anyway, it was funny.
It was funny.
I was just looking at my phone.
So, it goes up to like 105K.
And just strictly from crater fees, I think I got. I think I got like $ phone so that goes up to like 105k and just strictly
from crater fees i think i got like i think i got like 800 from that so like awesome but you know i
like i said it's just for fun like i'm not i'm not doing this is like a side hustle thing you know
it's just fun what's that what card are you gonna buy with that hand in bones uh honestly most of
the one piece cards that i would want to buy they're probably
at least 2x that price adam i saw your text message there's three candidates for what might
be the closest analog i'm i'm trying to figure out the answer but it is a very fast it's a very
fast moving market right now with those cards like very very fast the fact that the fact that you only made nine hundred dollars
in my head makes me think like it's not even worth launching well why why not but i don't think he
wanted to make more than that like i think i think he's in a more blessed position to be where he's
at with what he wants to do like bro the worst thing you want like if he just wants to host a
10 15 minute spaces like that's lit like he may as well get a few bucks on top of it instead of just hosting a spaces.
Yeah, that's it.
It makes perfect sense.
That's the value add there.
But, like, had he pumped a million and now he's down, his life would be hell, bro.
His entire DMs would be spanned with fucking the most cancerous shit of all time.
But he'd have 30 bands.
Yeah, but, like, is it worth it, bro?
He doesn't need 30 bands.
Golden's up, bro.
I've seen how this guy dresses, dude. That's has seen i've seen those new balance loafers that's true
this guy had a outfit more more than my net worth on bro at the time at the time you you dwarf me
now though my friend you but look look i have i have good friends and good supporters in the space
and like i'm i'm not doing it as this,
like really honestly, as a side hustle.
I would do those collectible spaces regardless of whether I, like, it's just,
I don't know, maybe people can tune in
and, you know, look in the eBay listing, you know,
maybe they were like, oh yeah.
Or I'll look into that or some comments.
It's fun, right?
You know, and I got, I'm getting a penguin mask.
Hopefully it'll fit my head
because I do have a large ego.
Hey, Golden, you know you can just VTube, right?
I know, but dude, you're asking too much, man.
Dude, you don't wear a mask.
You're asking me.
Yeah.
You're asking.
Dude, listen, man.
I mean, like, I'm an older or elder millennial.
There's no way I'm doing a VR bullshit
thing. It's the easiest thing ever to set up.
Absolutely not. Absolutely not,
sir. It's so easy. I mean, you can send it to me,
but I'm just going to put on a $15
penguin mask from Amazon and hopefully
it fits my head. Which is way fucking
funnier. Yeah, true.
We'll see. If it's cringe and corny...
I think Golden being an anime girl
would be pretty fucking hilarious but i think golden wearing golden wearing a penguin mask is pretty fucking
i thought about like like wearing like a like a you know like a streetwear pupper jacket or
something with the penguin mask to see how it goes i actually have i actually have a uh get a
bowl butt wig no i actually have a mask. You should get a supreme ski mask.
And the glasses.
I don't know, man.
This is fun, right? This is fun for me.
That's what I'm saying. I'm joking around,
but it's just fun.
Sorry, I didn't mean it.
I know I kind of shielded, but it's not.
I'm just having fun.
You actually sound like you're smiling. I've never heard you sound like you're actually smiling i'm happy you're
having fun yeah it's just fun it's just an experiment if it works then people enjoy it
cool if it if it fails and people stop listening and i'm just talking into a you know a dark you
know abyss of nothingness then i'll stop but like i'm not going to just stop after two shows i'm gonna
i'm gonna try it out hey golden i'm do you remember do you remember about a year ago
when you came to a space you're like you're on my list and you're like you're like because you're
gonna be like oh you can't launch a token of yourself you're gonna be in jail and i was
shivering i don't think i said that you're like you're like you're there's so much legalities
behind your security.
And then I was like, I was shivering, bro.
He wasn't wrong, by the way, at the time.
Yeah.
No, I said, if any, I don't think I said you're going to jail.
Yeah, also, I don't think very few people ever go to jail for securities issues.
Yeah, also, I would never say that.
I never give legal advice to anyone.
You're like, you're going to prison, dude.
I'm never going to forget it. Man, I don't recall say that. I never give legal advice to anyone. You're like, you're going to prison, dude. I'm never going to forget it.
Man, I don't recall saying that.
But if anything, I would have said something like, there's a lot of uncertainty at the time.
Wish there was.
I don't know if I said you're going to jail.
I remember getting off that space.
I was just like, holy shit.
Well, it's okay.
People don't listen to me anyway on the legal stuff.
And they continue doing the same shit over and over again so putting aside they are they are getting away with it though
i know they are i know they are now that's a different topic one day yeah but but the thing
that that i was saying i was i wasn't dunking on the 900 thing by the way i was just i know i know
i mean it's like a dollar to like you know like you gotta value your time and I feel like my value of time is higher
In my own perspective, like I wouldn't I would like if a alarm was like hey
I'll pay you six figures or seven figures. I would like consider it but like if it's not somewhere around those ranges
I just my value times
Yeah, that's not really the way to look at it because like I definitely think my time is worth more than the than the two grand even though it's awesome 100 yeah no I think it is it's more like if you are
doing a particular thing anyway like I was streaming anyway I I'm building a live streaming
tech company so no shit I'm going to be streaming and it's like oh I can stream and I also like
people can harass me but I get paid like, like, all right, that sounds fine.
I mean, if people want to bid your token, yeah, definitely.
They did.
I mean, it's down now, but I don't know.
These people are fucking going hog wild the last week. Wait a minute.
This is how I look at it, dude.
If you really enjoy something and you're not spending a lot of time,
like a 10 or 15-minute show, and people were supportive and enjoyed Then, then I don't even view it like it's not bad.
I view it as a blessing, you know, it's 900 more dollars.
And I didn't have, you know, now I can, you know,
pay for whatever with it. Like that's cool.
It's a blessing, man.
Like I just came out of thin air for doing,
for just talking about things that I actually enjoy and love.
Like I have nothing to complain about.
Profits fell asleep.
Sorry, everybody.
She's over there gambling.
That's what's going on.
That's why she cut the stream.
She's in her game.
What's going on with you, Lou?
He's not even there anymore, dude. I don't even know how he's up here so he's gambling too
ain't on what's up dude you were trying to nuke my bags what's going on with you
well which ones was they new game dude why did you why did you
launch that loser that that loser coin i didn't launch that no i i don't launch coins no i just
saw it and i thought it was funny because it's actually a clever ticker um but no uh i really
like what golden was saying um i like that he's not telling anyone hey you're gonna make a million
dollars off of this if you're early.
Tell all your friends, let's pump this.
Because that's what a lot of these toxic, like, KOLs are doing is they know that, like, there's no accountability for them trying to gaslight others and, like, kind of, you know, hype their own, pump their own bags.
If you're just, like, going on there because you genuinely want to stream, connect with people, it happens to be what the trending platform is right now, right? Like
profits credit to you for sticking with X spaces, Twitter spaces. You know, we've been doing this
for a long time and it's gotten challenging, right? To hold an audience and, you know,
to captivate them when there are these distractions these incentives elsewhere but that shows your authenticity you know all credit to
you for that but no slight to anyone else that is trying the pump fun thing if you're doing it
you know with integrity if you're doing it for the right reasons if you genuinely want to try
you know being a content creator you already were a content creator. And, you know, you're adding this to, you know, your repertoire, you're adding this to your, you know, your portfolio of
how people can connect with you. That's great. If you're going on there and either a telling people
that they're going to get rich or be bragging about how you're getting rich, I just think
that's tasteless. And I don't think it's sustainable. So I think there's a lot of people that are very rapidly burning out their
reputation, whether they realize it or not,
they may think that there's no accountability and maybe legally there won't
be, or, you know, most likely, right.
Legally there would never be, but as far as, you know,
just the, how the community perceives you and like,
whether or not we think you're a clown, it's going to come back to, you know, some how the community perceives you. And like, whether or not we think you're a clown,
it's going to come back to, you know,
some of these moments recently.
Yeah, I mean, I tend to agree.
I think like reputation is everything,
but we also have to remember a lot of the time too,
we are on the internet.
A lot of this shit is just all fake shit,
facade bullshit at the end of the day.
I think a lot of people should just really focus
on improving their own selves, their own bag and their own money at the end of the day well i think that's
just what i think there's two ways of looking at what you just said one is don't care what others
think you know just do what makes you happy and the other is don't care what others think because
these people aren't important so i might as well take advantage of them and i think the latter is
the first one and i'm not saying you right but just in general we have too many people that are still looking at
it you know from that latter perspective of nobody here is important to me nobody here is um
you know no one here is going to stop me. Nobody here is going to beat me up.
Nobody, any of them.
They're not victims.
They're willing participants.
That's the way people look at it.
Yo, but nothing more.
And they are, they are.
I was going to say real quick,
nothing's more cringy to hear some of these show spaces.
People are like, we're going to be the next Doge.
We're going to a billion.
It's like, you remember last summer,
there was like 50 projects and like cash for space.
Everybody just starting a meme coin and everybody was just saying they're going to be the next to this and next to that.
It's like, nah, the only thing you can be is the next level of your own self.
Damn, did I drop the mic or what?
I was fell asleep again
no I was about to make a tweet that
um just
every I feel like I can't
I can't escape this
yo Will I'm about to boot you from this face
I can't deal like people are literally
launching back to back to back
to back like I just left a store I hang out with like regularly and they launched a coin.
And I'm like, what the?
I'm like, oh, they're live right now at the store.
Dude, the money hasn't been this easy since like early 2020.
That's what I'm saying.
It's like guaranteed.
Back then it was like ACA everybody.
Nobody's giving ECAs out.
Motherfuckers is just
going live on pump fun that's it you better catch yeah that's the only part that sucks
i like notifications off like 90 people anybody that's that's reputable whatsoever that starts
a live stream it it almost bonds it's been the easiest that's what i'm saying yeah people are
like oh they're on google yeah the plays are incredibly easy right now. I've been printing the most mini profit, like multiple, multiple mini profits.
Trust me, I've sat here and pondered different ways to make Ponzi's out of the whole Pump Fun Ponzi thing.
And I'm just like, I could literally gatekeep and just offer, you know, one-on-one trading with people for if they hold X amount of token.
And man, I could run that thing up so easy.
But I'm just not that person, man.
Just not that person.
There's so many things you could lie about, right?
There's so many things that you could, like,
dangle a carrot in front of whatever fucking audience is trying to,
you know, get rewarded or wants a reason for why the token should pump you could just straight up
lie and then a few hours later you go to bed wake up the next day what what what coin and that's
why i said time and market is the most undervalued metric yeah and and i think that that's that's
the thing where a lot of people are getting you know with these new launches they're wondering if these people ever come back
like there's always going to be those people that grift these things and we'll do them for
a couple weeks and then there's some people that are really kind of dedicated to the cause we see
that we see the difference between the two so there was or there is there's this kid. I saw him on TikTok once. It caught my attention because it was just, it was very novel and like unique what I was watching. He was basically cosplaying as, you know, some underage teen and trying to catch predators on these chat websites long before he'd ever heard of pump fun he had
hundreds of thousands if not over you know hundreds of thousands of followers i think
and millions of views and he does this regularly and he's got you know voice changers and like he
gets them on camera sometimes it's that speed runner guy right that does it's that super fast that no no no this kid
no this kid's name maybe i don't know his name's uh rob master master rob something like that
he's got uh he's got dreads anyway yeah yeah that's the guy so okay so i heard he was i saw
that he launched a coin it was already at like probably 800k and i was, this could easily go to tens of millions
if the right people hear about it
and the influencers or, you know, the OG crypto whales
like that like to play in the trenches sometimes.
Like they could pump this like a hamster racing, right?
Like they could pump it just because it has a shot
at trending and going viral.
Eric Crypto Man was one of the early KOLs to it.
A couple other people.
I don't hold it, by the way.
I'm not pumping my bags.
It went up to like maybe a million and a half.
And right now it's under 200K.
The kid did nothing wrong.
He showed up.
He did what he said he was going to do.
He paid the decks.
He consistently was communicating tweeting active
but he's being taken advantage of by something he really has no control over or he's not being
educated right like why is my token going down i'm on stream i'm here people loved me last night
why don't they love me today and i see these types of occurrences that are just unfortunate because there is a lot of opportunity there, but they're either getting like sabotaged by
people that they're connecting with early on, or it's just, you know, the natural flow of the
market that nobody has an attention span for any of this. And like something that holds our
attention or that gets us excited, you know, a few hours later it's boring it's just
like ah yeah this this was fun all right on to the next thing so i don't know how content creators
can like rely on that audience to build around like if they didn't already have a following
oh interesting that was was my question.
Okay.
What's up, man?
Damn, it's been a minute.
I know.
Look at you.
It's out here killing it per usual.
Yeah, I was honestly trying to figure out.
Bro, I saw you in Paris.
That's the last time I saw you.
That was, yeah. Well, okay, so it was this out. Bro, I saw you in Paris. That's the last time I saw you. That was, yeah.
Okay, so it was this year.
It was this year.
Yeah.
It was this year.
Nice to hear your voice.
Go ahead.
Yeah, no, I was here.
I saw you at Pump Fun.
I think, now there's a few artists in here.
So that's good.
What do you think of this, actually, as an artist?
And, you know, that whole royalty bullshit back in the day was a whole thing and then yeah so it's i mean i'm hearing a lot of
oh this is 2021 vibes and i'm like is it but i guess maybe it's a total different you know maybe
i'm not seeing it from that perspective i mean inan just said
something where it was like you know we have a short attention span and i i'm trying to figure
out like does it make sense for artists to because i think when it comes to artists trying to do
things our goal is always to build community um so i'm trying to figure out if there if that is if people are
actually being able to build communities with these these these coins and stuff because i think
that is the goal right to have a long like have longevity on this like on this platform you have
people who have communities on twitch and kick right they
and they're not really buying coins they're just donating when they want to um and so my question
here is is that are you are you guys seeing that happen or if you're not are you guys seeing that
happening or are you not seeing that happening are Are you seeing people just buying coins and that's it?
And that will let me know how I will perceive what's happening.
Because I do think at the end of the day, this is crypto.
And of course, you want to make money.
But I also do think you have crypto art and artists who also just want to build community and use this heck in.
And also be able to find ways to, you know, clean up the culture a bit.
So if anyone wants to answer that, go off.
And if you don't, that's fine, too.
I have a bit of a strategy to it, but I think, like, if you're trying to make money, you can buy the launch selling on a 2 or 3x. If you're trying to trade the coin, let it floor, base out,
and you can trade the low and high range because that's what a lot of these coins are doing.
But I don't think any of them are going parabolic anytime soon, personally.
I think a lot of them are just going to trade sideways
because that's just the way the volume has been kind of playing out.
Just whales playing whale games at the end of the day.
I don't know that this thing actually has motion, to be honest with you, just sideways.
That's a good way of looking.
Like, we're at the mercy of the tastemakers and KOLs,
and we have been, you know, since the beginning of all of this
with meme coins and even with NFTs.
And some things were a little bit more equitable or fair than others.
But profits, you remember shiller shiller was you
know a live streaming model yeah exactly yeah and nobody took it seriously they you know were
building they tried to get projects and artists and kols all to connect with them i'll admit you
know because i was aligned with them they didn't know what they were doing as far as like entering into this culture and what incentivized and you know the hierarchy of
who they needed to connect with and stuff um but what was a bigger problem was at the time
no one felt comfortable with tokenizing right so they didn't have that as a part of their like incentive structure. And so stuff should be sustainable why people should stick with
it right give them points to kind of like reward their own participation and they're going to be
that much more likely to come back as opposed to it being a pvp on the chart every time that the
only way you can make money as a consumer of this stuff is by selling right by dumping on your friends or
dumping on the creator and if you had more incentive to actually hold these things
maybe the creators would have a fair shot i would hold on real quick before i forget
because i have a fucking small brain um i would argue and say that, uh, I think pump fund created, uh, maybe it was their goal all along, but they created something that, uh, I feel like was, is, was a little like, not like paid attention to meaning like a whole fucking, not only flywheel, but bankroll where people are like, holy shit, they're going to
give me some of that. And other platforms came out headstrong. We're going to be the next Twitch.
We're going to be to this day. Motherfuckers fill up my calendar with bullshit. That's why I do 20
minute calls now. Little alpha do 20 minute calls, not 30 minute calls. Oh, we're the next Twitch.
We're the next kick. We're the next TikTok, we're the next this. And I'm like,
no, you're not. Nobody gives a fuck about you. Nobody's going on this platform. Nobody cares.
Maybe a small amount of people. But I think where Pump Fund kind of landed is very well,
they already built out a whole business. They made a whole bunch of money off of fees and all
these things. And it's on the timeline. Oh, this week they made $50 million, whatever, a day, whatever. And so that plus when they dropped
the graph of like the airdrop and all that, I think they did a good job of showing what
you get for participating in this part of the platform and then launched. And it's not perfect.
You have to go in and out of streams, whatever.
It lags a bit.
But yeah, what you just said to your point,
some of the coolest names are behind some of these platforms.
How the fuck did these two random guys that nobody fucking knows,
and it's not because of that at all.
It's because of money.
So I think that's like way overlooked.
And it's just like any other platform.
Any platform that does really well,
its star feature ends up being not the very first feature
that's on the fucking platform, in my opinion.
I don't know.
Maybe I'm crazy, but that's my long list.
A couple variables real quick with PumpFun that stand out.
variables real quick with a pump fund that stand out it's cap table it's cap table is some really
It's CapTable.
influential very um uh you know well off right like these are not poor people um but they're
very active in our space every day and some have uh pivoted and you know it's pump funds not their
main focus but it's still something that
you know they're uh i guess you could say accountable for that they were able to help
get the ball rolling um but that's where a lot of the inequality stem from is private equity and
that you know some things get funded and other things don't because if you can align a bunch of
influence then chances are you're going to have a better shot at getting
off the ground in the first place. So you had a very prominent popular art person. I have to be
vague because I don't want to give away who it is. And they were talking on the timeline saying that,
hey, we need to have live auctions and imagine so-and-so outbid this person and everyone saw
it live streamed. And I'm like, and I profits, right?
This is literally what was being talked about three years ago.
And I was so excited for it. And, and, you know, I digress, right?
I don't want to make this personal, but, um,
it's because the right people didn't introduce it one.
And two,
there wasn't the right incentive model for why anyone in a very hyper
financialized market would even care right like that came later on they didn't prioritize that
they didn't lead with that and that's to your point what pump fund led with was here's how you're
gonna make money and and whether people perceive it as a casino or not ultimately becomes irrelevant
because it's prevailing, right?
It's becoming the standard.
It's becoming what we are, like, we are normalizing this.
Well, I want to add to the conversation.
I like the word flywheel, by the way, Travis, because that fits in.
We all love that fucking word, bro.
We all love that word.
But the thing I wanted to point out, though, specifically is, like than PumFund guide the creator, what PumFund has done,
and you can call it lazy, which I think in some ways it is,
they'd rather the creator drive the narrative
versus PumFund drive the narrative.
And that's the way I think PumFund has kind of devised this
as much as people haven't really kind of paid attention to it,
is that they devised this to allow the people haven't really kind of paid attention to it is that they did devise
this to allow the creator to do whatever they want and create whatever incentive structure
they want to create but they have to be the ones to do it and what they're probably hoping i'll
just throw this out there too because i think this is really what's going on is they're hoping one of
these creators will catch motion and get good motion and create a strategy that looks really good and then they'll
use that as their mainstream for their platform i think and i'll just start out there shoot me if
you want all right but we're just going to say it i think at the end of the day pump fun it hasn't
been able to devise a creative strategy so they're hoping one of these creators are able to do so
and they can use that as their next leg up as their next way that they'll move the platform.
And that's more of a lack of, I would say, creativity than it is, you know, them wanting or not wanting to do to go a certain direction.
They're trying to let creators create this situation, not not themselves.
Well, put this in your pipe and smoke it dude 92
percent of the people on instagram just lurk and the other eight percent are the ones you create
100 percent of the of the of the platforms content and that's you remember when like they didn't even
pay you out but you the only way lurk and leech yeah the only way to make money on instagram is
to have an ancillary business with like,
with like a link to like your fucking, your soap business.
Like for me,
I sell my art on there,
you know?
And then I was just like,
fuck man.
Like,
like this is just a whole new way of just doing social media and it's
nothing more,
nothing less.
At most,
most creative ideas.
I'll just throw it out there too it's another hot take
they've already been created the the creativeness out there is very lacking because
creativity has reached peak and i think not enough people are willing to accept that
right a lot of people say oh no there's so much more creativity in the world but no there's not
not where we are as far as intelligence goes this is like the first like true creators economy
right where it's like yeah you know what i mean it's like we're all sovereign
sorry um hd here um i just have to put in my two cents on this creator capital markets thing
um as a creator myself not on ct actually uh my main audience is on
tiktok and youtube so i'm a video creator uh as soon as i saw this pump fun live streaming stuff
i definitely tried it out and i only streamed for about two days and immediately i realized
this is not the same as web 2 streaming first of all the money was was you know
it just came in really fast all the training volume fees and whatever I
mean like 4,000 from a 30-minute stream and what I quickly realized was these
people who bought the coin they're not here to support my content or you know
to really watch and become educated by the type of stream i was doing
which was i was just kind of talking about what it's like to be a content creator um they're there
to make an roi off of me they want me to i i need to light myself on fire i got to do whatever i
need to do and be ridiculous to get attention or, this angry mob on the internet is going to tell me,
I rugged them, I'm a scammer, you know, they're going to dox me, all this crap.
And it's like, why would any legit creator from YouTube, from TikTok, from Instagram,
anywhere, why would they come and come to a hostile environment like that
just to make, you know, a quick $200, $2,000,
and assume that they can continuously do that most of these dreamers this is 4chan with a camera
right and eventually it's going to play itself out into a little more into a little less hostile well
yeah it is that's true and and i think we should just call it what it is we shouldn't like you know
try to say it's gonna overtake twitch and kick and instagram and all these family-friendly platforms because that's not the truth this is you're right this is
the wild west it's 4chan and if you can get attention by any means you know you'll make
money from it i hate to say this but i actually disagree a little bit because this is exactly
what train wrecks did to get kick going in the first place was he poached twitch he poached twitch and he offered
better incentives and so all it takes is one insider one partnership one hey we're gonna give
you 200 you know a quarter of a million dollars plus whatever you make in creator fees and you're
gonna stream with us and i feel like they're closer than we
think and i hate like i'm not advocating right this isn't me promoting or supporting this is me
kind of like fearful that it might already be too late because the rewards for say like the first
thing that comes to mind is aiden ross just because he has the relationship with Banks he likes thread guy um and I'm not saying
that like I think it will be him but someone of his caliber I think could do a a Kai Sinat right
could do a one-time stream on pump fun and all of a sudden it wakes up their entire like industry
that there is a contender there is a new challengerenger, and it's not perfect, and it'll probably have to be reviewed
for more gatekeeping, stricter terms of service
in order for them to really compete,
but I wouldn't say it's out of the question at all.
I think the morality of it.
I think we should also just say,
what HD did just say, though, was like,
yo, HD literally just came from TikTok.
Shout out to you. It was good.
I would say, in a sense,
someone that we would consider
onboarding into crypto,
he was like, okay, I heard about Pumpfront,
decided to use it, and he had...
He did not like how he was
used. He did not like how he was used he did not like how he was
on that platform yeah but what that's that is the problem here like that is that is the issue
and so try this you might be asking how many concurrent viewers did you have approximately
when i streamed it was like the second day that the feature was released. I had like 430 people in there at its peak.
The token went up to 230k.
And that was because people found my Twitter.
They saw that Alon follows me.
I have a couple smart followers.
So they just started speculating.
So, I mean, yeah.
One more thing I want to say.
Sorry about that other point you said with Aiden Ross and Kick.
I mean, those people have huge brands on on twitch and kick but you know if if pump fun really wants to take over sure they could have an
aiden ross or an xqc you know come on and do a stream but with those guys who have been streaming
for 10 5 years building this legacy brand would they want to tarnish their whole reputation
for to launch a coin and make like whatever you know 200k in one day and then see it go to zero
like would they want to risk all that years of reputation building and goodwill and an audience
just to make you know 500k in one day or maybe they make it for a few weeks but it doesn't need
to win for those two main there's like five whole streamers that make that type of money,
and everybody else is like mediocre or whatever, does decent.
So even if more of those guys come over than the Kaisenats or whatever it is,
it doesn't mean like it's not going to win.
I just want to point out one thing before we get too far real quick.
I just want to end with this statement, the money the money comes at a cost if you want to keep that money coming in
as a streamer like whether you're small you can't damage your reputation yeah no no no well if you're
a small guy right no one knows you if you want to keep that money coming in it comes at a cost and
it comes at the cost of doing ridiculous like you see bag work right they're the perfect example they were
nobodies a week ago uh they got super famous because they slapped that guy in the face or
whatever the influencer they took off his hat and as soon as they got that attention they started
amping it up because they they got to do more ridiculous stuff now to make the market cap go
even higher and so that's kind of the engine that's the the flywheel that it's
um incentivizing it's not incentivizing educating people like on youtube or growing like you know
a community of of uh you know just the the wholesome stuff you find on youtube and
tiktok like it's not encouraging that at all because this is dark web that's why it's dark web yeah yeah and and and i i think we're all in agreeance on that um and and people could you know have
their own opinion on what dark web is or isn't but i wanted to point out this one thing because
we brought up you know these bigger streamers and that they actually bring platforms to life
i would argue that's not always the case there are platforms that still fail even with bigger
streamers i'll give you an example and that's Ninja and Mixer, right? And that was a complete failure when Ninja went
over to Mixer and he was one of the biggest platform creators there was period across the
board at the time when he moved to Mixer and Mixer still failed even though they brought him
on. So a platform can still fail even if they bring on bigger players. So what I would say is like, yes, in some instances it helps,
but in other instances it doesn't matter if that platform is on its way downhill anyway.
Sorry, I was going to say, there's a way to do it though.
Imagine this.
Imagine if Kai's not took or whatever, some big time streamer.
They're not going to get Kai's not.
No, no, I'm saying you get a big following right
and you wanted to bring your your hundreds of thousands of followers from whatever to another
to this platform take a mail a fucking uh launch it with like a thousand solana and then just uh
it'll go up it'll go down but it'll be floored with your thousand solana and just give away
your supply like a motherfucker to everybody of like
oprah just oprah your supply everywhere on everybody and then and then after the after
the hype and this and the honeymoon phase that ends keep on giving it away fuck yeah oh yeah oh
my god this is a stream where the streamer is giving away ownership of me fuck yeah oh dude
check it out he's giving away shares he's giving us a dollar giving us two bucks instead of them subscribing to them there's a way to do it
you just got to skin the cat in a different way i think i mean sure i don't know i just feel like
this is all complicated i really i i want to believe in this um streaming you know streaming
get coins i i think that is um i mean i want to believe that that the the ending goal is for
people to get paid for what they're producing and putting out there it's just too convoluted
with the word scam and confusion right you just said it yourself it's all confusing a lot of
people don't understand yeah it's just a reskin of a meme coin like you didn't change any of the
mechanics that's the problem
but instead you're a living breathing meme
exactly
every meme coin chart goes the same way
right
why can't it just be like we pay you
yeah why does it have to be a meme coin
why does it have to be all created
I don't really think we are
honestly I think we need to
take our perception
because Patreon has no speculation,
even though it's the perfect model for creators. Yeah. But,
but instead of Patreon now you have a chart, right? It's just, it's just,
it's just people just have to kind of like just tear the complete,
the entire house down of what their thought of how social media works and just
rebuild it with this with this from the complete
opposite direction to where you can where you can own the content creator dude like i like i said i
would invest in kim kardashian before the sex tape it's it's it's your following count is the market
cap and and anything other than that is just noise can i can i ask the reverse question here so
noise can can i ask the reverse question here so if the ability to make a coin has always existed
why would a celebrity need to do it on pump fun like kanye for example why like why would why
wouldn't he just do the i mean he did launch a coin but like what what would incentivize him to
do it on pump the thing the thing is with the pump fund thing that's kind of a fail and i'll just
say it is the fact that they want exclusivity of streamers and any successful streamer is not
exclusive they're they're cross-platform and they're going to remain cross cross-platform
but you know what's kind of beautiful about that say if twitch goes hey richard um i want you to
just be on Twitch only.
We're going to give you $20,000 a month.
Yeah.
Okay.
So I don't need to stream on pump anymore to have a token.
I bonded out of that bitch.
I'm, I'm on decks.
I'm on worldwide exchanges.
Like I'd be like, fuck you.
I'm out.
Here's like, I still got a token.
Here's my deck screener fucking thing.
Like, and you, and you can't.
Are the deals they're doing exclusives? No bumps. And if it were to be, you can, you can't take me off the deals they're doing exclusives no bumps in if it were to be you can you can yeah that doesn't even make sense that they i don't think they
unless you sign a contract that you can't stream with any other platform well yeah exactly but i
still got a token on the solana blockchain i you know what i mean like fuck it dude i don't need
like you're right about that though because dropping your coin obviously nobody you can't
nobody can stop anybody from flying into your coin.
Matter of fact, a streamer could just go on bags or something like that.
Like whatever and just put themselves on the blockchain.
However it is, this is 1997 all over again.
And everybody's putting the word dot com at the end of everything and it's just going on up.
So you're saying we're in a dot com at the end of everything and it's going on up so you're
saying we're in a dot com with a bubble oh dude the saturation bubble is gonna pop so fucking hard
and then and then it's going to be the flight to safety it's going to people that earn trust
you got it time and market what you see like everything what you see open c doing is exactly
what pump fun needs to be doing as far as xp and having achievements tasks like basically
you log into uh call of duty right you always have those you're saying they should have
structures of the day obviously right but like it would be that's the flywheel that is literally
the flywheel is if you get people to keep coming back because you're giving them something,
you know, targeted to do and then rewarding them for it. That type of like, it's something that I swear just web three cannot grasp. Um, because most people here are trying to just extract,
right. They're not trying to do something that is sustainable and like rewarding whatever um but if you were to take do xyz and you will get
you know one two three right like literally as far as you you do tasks you get payment or you
get points like that's the system that If you implement that you really
Create those habitual mechanics of
Oh I gotta
Go do my tasks
You know check in for the day
Well this is like the elevator pitch
I tell my boomer ass parents
They still don't fucking get it
I'm almost like hey listen
Imagine you subscribe to Netflix
And your subscription to Netflix
Appreciates over time.
Period.
I think ultimately what could be the downfall to the flywheel is as soon as the price of Bitcoin goes down and all the assets go down, so does the audience of people watching on pump fund streams.
So it doesn't feel very sustainable.
Good. Get all the riffraff out of here.
Which brings me to another argument. Like, creator coins are a bit bear bear safe like safe in the
bear right providing entertainment giving it having your reason to like hang out
i hate when live gets on these damn rants sorry i'm just fucking dead air.
No, it's alright.
Get on Pump Fun.
Launch your career on Pump Fun. Ed, are you
live on Pump Fun yet? What's going on?
What's the ECA?
What are we doing, Ed?
I'm not live on Pump Fun yet,
but I was like, I'm like, oh, maybe artists could...
I really do think streaming can be something.
I just don't want it to be...
I don't want to be in something that I feel is not really caring for artists.
If we can't make a community out of that, that is kind of scary to me.
I've been here for so long for me not to be able to, you know, I have a platform that's not willing to provide support for me to try to make a community.
That is something that, you know, I don't want to be a part of.
But if there's a way that we can do that, like if there's an initiative where like, whether the people on the platform are like, okay okay like we know that there's probably a lot of gambling going on and this and that but
we really do want to support creators like how can we go about that i'll be down for that initiative
um but i just think everyone needs to really be on on board with that like i if people want i mean
i'm sure there's people who just want to stream and gamble and do those things.
Sure, have that.
But as an artist who is like, yo, if we're trying to find ways to also help create the economy, you see the industry, like, outside the space, everything's terrible.
Like, why don't we try to find ways to actually give incentives to others to want to be here?
to actually give incentives to others to want to be here.
As you see, you had HD here,
who literally was from another space coming in here
and saying, hey, I don't like how I'm being used in this space
and got off of it.
I mean, he's still in this space, cool,
but that is not something that you want people to experience
because they're just going to tell people and say,
hey, it's nothing but scams and money making and gambling. And as artists or creators, to be able to just, you know,
if anything, you want them to be able to get back or a return based off of like people who just
support their work. Like that is what we want. Like we want people to just, if we're out here
putting things out and we're looking for supporters, we want people to just if we're out here putting things out and we're looking for supporters we want people to support that um and when it becomes like oh speculate or you need to
make you need to get to a million dollar market cap like that that also brings pressure and it
it goes against i would say the ethos and i know this probably sounds a little bit too oh
holier than thou but it shouldn't because this is an artist.
I'm just speaking from an artist's perspective.
So I don't know.
I don't know who the founders are.
I think I heard someone say his name is Alon or something.
I think I'm going to try to hit him up or whatever and just talk to him around this platform.
I think I'm going to try to hit him up or whatever and just talk to him around this platform.
Because, yeah, I think there is a possibility.
But I also am just like, right now, it doesn't seem like that is it right now.
I think we should probably do some fixes.
So, Ed, real quick i would probably recommend that you
sorry go ahead ed i would recommend that you actually talk to harrison uh harrison
pop punk capital i think is their handle he is the founder of gatekeep on base and the reason
i mentioned gatekeep is because um pump fun doesn't believe in like that
clubhouse culture where, you know, there were, there was a host and then there were, there
were mods and, you know, you didn't just bring up everyone because you wanted to maintain
some level of, um, professionalism or some level of, you know, like, uh, closeness and
intimacy with the people that were there.
Pump Fun doesn't believe in any of that because they're all about volume.
They're all about churn and burn, like, even worse than, you know, Zora is.
Like, at least Zora humors the idea of supporting creators.
Pump Fun is, I personally feel, just very much geared towards you know degeneracy and um you know it
is it's actually um what's the word it it's they are buying creators like backpacks and shit though
they're spending like a lot of money i mean they a lot more. They're doing a lot more than that, but I can't say specifically.
But not all these launches are there.
They just all ordered a bunch of TikTokers and stuff on the Pump Fund recently,
like last week when they relaunched.
And like already two people on Pump Fund while they were streaming have died.
It's insane.
Like, that worries me.
You know what I mean?
It's like, are we that deeply into an economy where it's like a critical attention economy
that, like, people are actually losing their lives behind this shit?
Well, yeah, it's depravity, for sure.
That's the acceleration.
Like, that's an unfortunate reality that, you know, just kind of the world.
We have to ask.
People do that for free on tiktok and other platforms
what's that dude's name that you just said you said he what is what what's his platform
harrison so gatekeeping i think is something that we don't talk about enough that like
gatekeeping uh alpha and things being early yeah i get It happens. It's not perfect. But gatekeeping based off of ethics,
values, principles, shared vision, and just some level of like, a sense of belonging to something
you genuinely want to be a part of. That's something I think can take projects a lot
further and communities and artists and, you know, you because there's some there's some level of
accountability right there's some level of expectations as to why is everyone so for
example sam sprat uh with the the council of lucille and the masks and everything but especially
the skulls right the first part of it the skulls is so curated that you know there's
some shared like trust and and kind of like social contract there that is why it's you know gotten
as much attention or you know why it's appreciated in value as much as it has and that's what i
think holds many of these things back that are not just straight up cabal.
Because the one thing that cabals understand is coordination and alignment, right? Where all this other stuff is just like a big clusterfuck, quite frankly.
And that's why it doesn't go anywhere.
So is gatekeeping a platform?
gatekeeping a platform gatekeep g8 like g the number eight and then keep is something that
harrison has been working on for a while he has a partner as well um and it's on base but it's more
about just like philosophically if you want to talk about if you want to talk with the right
people that are actually you know know, invested in that vertical
or, you know, that kind of, like, attribute of wanting to support
and, you know, further the empowerment of creators,
I don't think it's going to be pump fun.
Is Harrison's thing on basis at one of the mini apps over on Firecaster?
I don't believe so.
It might be.
There's some really cool mini-apps over there
that are going on that are actually
cool.
There's some cool stuff happening over there on Parcaster.
I've noticed that. I've been kind of
poking my head over there a little bit.
When it comes to
ethics, who's the problem the platform
and the people that are buying this shit people that are buying the shit well it's also but it's
also a responsibility to the platform though too exactly that's why i said both because just like
when what was it the platform that came out and just made royalties abolished. You can just take any NFT
and turn it into some other platform,
sell it, and not give the creator royalties.
Same fucking thing.
It's like...
They turn the shit up.
Pump fun are drug dealers.
Why do you think
their fucking logo is a pill?
They're literally drug dealers.
I remember the word that I wanted to use
before. It's enabling enabling they're enabling those types of you know characteristics and that culture to prevail of
short-term attention span degeneracy pushing the boundaries that's their selling points that's
their marketing strategy it's not called pump.said dude i do i do addition counseling for a living like that's
what i do ro and the that i watch happen in this community sometimes just like
leaves my jaw on the floor i'm like i don't even know what to do about it like i wish that i could
somehow help or like insert myself somewhere in there and like give people some ethics and
logical like thought processes
and like and like point out what they're doing but i just don't even know where to start sometimes
dude this guy's about to streak a baseball game with a pump fun t-shirt on
is it mlb yeah it's like a big ass stadium you see dude it's like that's Yeah, it's like a big-ass stadium. You see, dude, it's like...
That's weird, though.
It's like the money.
People are doing weird shit for the money, bro.
It's weird.
Like Black Mirror vibes.
Yeah, very, very Black Mirror.
Very.
What's up, Shake?
What's up, Shake? What's up, Manny? Long time I see you, dude.
What's good? No, I'm just dropping in, yo.
You know, I've been out the loop for a minute.
Just been on the ground fucking grinding.
Was overseas for fucking about a month.
You know, we got Basel coming up.
Got a lot of shit popping.
I can't hear this, son.
I got a lot of shit popping, but I've just,
I feel like focusing on what I got going on
takes me out the loop with what's going on
in like the Web3 space and the crypto world.
So that's why I always gotta jump in.
And like right now I feel like it's crucial
because with all this new tech and all these new apps
and all these new, like just ways on how to just promote yourself, whether it's creating a fucking coin, whether it's creating a live pump, whether it's going streaming every day.
Like I see the bigger picture on this.
I just like to sit back and hear everybody's opinion because it just gets me more in tune with what's been going on from what I've missed out on. I was talking to my boy Taylor Warhodo downstairs like literally an hour ago and
we just had this same conversation about you know how is this space moving forward with what's going
on between the world, between you know the new apps
between the pump fund and it's like many people said it's like you want your
supporters you want those who follow you to make money and yeah there's no
blueprint on how any app should work or how any platform should operate but
that's why it's up to the creators and the artists to create it.
You know, you create it and they will come.
If you create a dope enough fucking space, they will come.
Who's to say Twitter couldn't become the next news station?
Like anybody could have just...
At this point, like I get it, you got Elon who has ties with the government
and, you know, they're going to censor a lot of shit.
But free speech runs it.
And that's what a lot of this new generation seems to support on top of making money.
We all like to have fun. Like it's crazy the way shit's been evolving over the last six months to a year.
But I just tend to sit back, observe. I observe to understand.
I observe to learn because, you know, growth is always in my
corner. And, you know, I just come to support. I love the fact that profits hold space for people
to give opinion. You know, the fact that the people that come on stage actually give
knowledgeable opinions or opinions that are just not far-fetched. So, you know, it's a little bit
of everything. But yeah, I just love to see the space continuously evolving
and seeing what we can do as creatives, as a community, as a whole.
You know, you know what the fuck's going on.
Yo, what's good, man? Good to see you, bro.
Likewise.
Big vibes.
This is why I stay on late sometimes, because there's different, you guys clock in at different times.
But I'm also thinking we're topping because a lot of you haven't seen in a long time in the listeners.
So now I'm thinking that we're near the top.
Now I'm scared.
I was having fun.
I don't want to have fun anymore.
If everyone's coming back, I don't want anybody to come back.
Let me have fun by myself over here on Pump Fun on the streams.
Watching all these people.
You know what I am doing?
I'm calling some people like, hey, this is a good idea for a stream.
Go ahead.
Run this coin up.
Come on.
You got this.
Oh, shit.
Oh, these fools are at the Dodger game.
Yeah.
All right.
I'm tired.
I hope everybody has a good evening.
I have pinned up tomorrow's faces.
It starts at 7.
We're not going this late because I got shit to do tomorrow night.
But definitely pull up. Appreciate you guys coming through. It starts at 7. We're not going this late because I got shit to do tomorrow night.
But definitely pull up.
Appreciate you guys coming through.
We go live every day except Friday, 7 o'clock Eastern.
We never stay this long.
But the last few nights, you know, we're in the trenches, literally and figuratively.
Will, War, Hottle, Anon, Chesapeake, Manny, Chaz, Live, everybody. Ed, Spidey, I see you down there. Appreciate you guys pulling up. I promise I'm in a good mood. I'm laying down. I'm
already ready for bed. But yo, good night. And all my Clippers, you know the vibes. Jump into the
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