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Wallet Endgame with DeFi Dad & Sean Li
Recorded: March 25, 2025 Duration: 0:54:15Space Recording
Short Summary
The discussion highlights significant growth in on-chain opportunities and user adoption, with innovations in wallet creation and AI integration in DeFi. Strategic partnerships and the introduction of the Newton Key Store aim to enhance security and user experience, while incentivizing developers to build on the platform.
Full Transcription
Hey everyone, this is Defi Dad.
We're going to do a quick sound check to make sure we can all hear each other.
So, Sean and Nomadic, can you try to unmute yourselves?
Hey, hey, Defi Dad.
Hey, hey.
Hey, Sean.
Hey, there we go.
And Nomadic, can you hear us okay?
Yeah, can you guys hear me?
Yep.
You sound great.
Okay, cool.
Well, I'll go ahead and kick us off.
So everyone, thanks for joining us.
We are privileged to be guest hosting this space today.
So thanks to the Newton team for having us on.
This is going to be a conversation with the Magic Labs co-founder and CEO, Sean Lee,
Now, Sean has been building in the space for a very long time.
Funny enough, I had tried the original magic wallet, like an embedded wallet,
years ago when they first launched it.
We've come a long way since then.
A part of the prompt for this conversation is to talk about what Sean refers to as the
wallet endgame.
So there's an article that he published on X.
which I think will be pinning here.
It's a great read.
It's very complimentary, again, to, I think, the conversation we're going to have.
Also, this conversation will be recorded.
So if you want to share it later on with friends, it can easily be shared.
Also, just want to call out that if you're following along and you want to learn more about Newton,
The best thing to do is go to magicnewton.com.
You should follow Magic Newton on X.
And then if you want to join the Discord, it's Discord.g.g.
slash Magic Newton.
And we'll be sure to share more of that or remind you of those details as we go along.
So one of the key drivers for this conversation is that wallets have long been a barrier to growing interest in crypto.
So like when I first got into the space in like 2017,
There really was very little to do on chain.
I mean, it was a matter of getting into a centralized exchange.
Obviously, you give up all of your sovereignty as a user.
When you use a centralized exchange, you give up custody of your assets.
And what's changed since then is the opportunities on chain have exploded.
I think there's something like $250 billion in just stable coins.
And now it's not just on like an Ethereum, it's on, you know, L2s and other L1s.
And so what's interesting is as the opportunities have grown, it's actually triggered more interest for users to come on chain.
And yet.
Some of the same old issues from seven, eight years ago are still there.
And so this is a part of, I think, what Sean's been working on, his whole career here as a founder.
And we're excited to talk more about where he sees the,
the puck going in this space.
A part of that is going to be a conversation
in relation to AI,
abstracting away from the complexity of using wallets
and using crypto.
And a part of it is just
I guess separating out all of the nuance of being a user that has to navigate across multiple blockchains,
different forms of a blockchain, whether it's like an EVM or it's the Solana virtual machine or now we have, you know, the move virtual machine.
So there's just a lot to...
filter through so that users can get on chain and enjoy all of the benefits of defy and crypto.
So anyways, that's a lot.
Let's go ahead and get started with Sean then.
I gave a little bit of your background there, Sean, but...
Yeah, it would be great to just share a bit more about what has led you down this path of building Newton.
And maybe you can give obviously more of the background of magic labs and all the work you've done there.
For sure. Thank you. Yeah, you did this up super well.
And yeah, just a quick background of me.
I'm a Canadian graduated from University of Waterloo, where Vitalia came from.
as a software engineer, but I've always been a bit of a designer at heart and really love making complex things simple for users.
So the first time I started a company and built a product was when I graduated, we built this experience for Docker, which is the company in Silicon Valley that
you know, manages, you know, it's kind of a virtual machine, right?
That makes your desktop and remote environment consistent.
Sounds super complicated.
Try to simplify it by making a UI and desktop experience on top of that.
And that became Docker desktop, which is used by, you know,
millions of developers monthly.
And so after the Docker journey, I was
really looking for something else to scratch the edge.
So by the end of 2016, I fell into the Ethereum rabbit hole.
I was really inspired by the Web 3 vision and ethos
around upgrading the financial system
and also granting sovereignty to the individual.
So in 2018,
If I were to remember, using seed phrases in a browser wallet,
that was the de facto standard back in 2018.
End up losing a couple of wallets,
building several projects that didn't quite take off
due to complex UX.
But ultimately notice that this is really a huge opportunity to simplify the user experience for wallet creation.
So yeah, we started as company in 2018 as the first company to ever try to build the embedded wallet,
which is a very simple way to create a wallet using your email or social login.
which is now pretty much a de facto standard
in mainstream onboarding in Web 3.
And like defy that,
intro, I feel like wallet creation is just the beginning.
I think it's just the initial step to user onboarding.
There's still so much more to onboarding.
For example, interacting with BFI is still super complicated.
You know, understanding slippage, optimizing yields,
understanding the intricacies between all these different protocols and chains.
super, super overwhelming for a new user,
and it's still overwhelming for me even.
So in a way, I'm trying to solve this problem myself.
And all of this is sort of exacerbated by the proliferation
of blockchain, fragmentation as well, making this problem worse.
So yeah, and now on this journey of magic, where
excited to sort of set out to solve the ultimate end-to-end user experience challenges, not only around wallet creation, but with Newton also solve, you know, what users can do after they created wallet with the help of, you know, AI and automation. And yeah, and it's been a pretty
Yeah, it's been like over seven years and we've onboarded a lot of wallets since then about 50 million wallets, 200,000 developers in the magic ecosystem.
We announced Newton end of last year and we're already at, you know, over half million X, half a million Discord, over three million questing in our portal.
along with a lot of great partners like Polymarket,
Helium, Wallet Connect, Immutable.
So yeah, just a very, very exciting time.
And we're hoping to bring the community here early in the journey
and to build together and also iterating with us.
And you guys have been absolutely great.
And your excitement about the project
has been very infectious for me too.
So yeah, that's a, that's three intro here.
John, I think you've really framed up well, kind of where you've came from, your journey, your background, and kind of like the state of the UI, UX for wallets as they are today.
But in talking to you offline, I think the bigger picture of where all this is going is
is like super exciting.
So maybe you can start to frame this up for us a bit.
Kind of this like forward looking next frontier
that I think crypto users are walking into.
And you guys internally have used a really catchy line.
AI is eating UI. So maybe you can kind of expand on this, yeah, this next frontier of where this UIUX is going.
Yeah, yeah, for sure. It's, um, if Braids was first inspired by, um, Nevolk, who's, you know, also a small Android investor in Magic.
Um, and so, yeah, I, when I first started, um, iterating there, I felt like,
AI and crypto when it first started, it felt like completely different industries, right?
And sort of as both progresses, I start to see very interesting synergies starts happening.
On one hand, crypto is inherently programmable, programmable digital assets, right? And since crypto needs to scale,
There are many L2s, app chains that are being developed,
which is sort of trading user experience for scalability.
And on the other hand, you have AI that has advanced into stage three,
meaning now that agents can now have the capability to take action on users' behalf,
with tool calling,
MCP, it's early, but the capabilities are growing very, very quickly.
And when automation capabilities meets the programmable digital assets,
you're effectively able to put capital on auto pilot, right? So,
the AI is eating UI starts to come into focus
when instead of users sort of manually navigating
multiple DAF UI's, chains, wallets, protocols
to perform all these different on-chain actions,
all of these complexities and learning curve
can actually be abstracted away by AI automation.
And eventually we do see a world where
you know, the concept of traditional depth with the UI may slowly fade away.
Maybe we'll get to like an 80-20 situation where 80% of interaction is more agentic and the rest is more like
UI-centric. So yeah, we do see that shift happening and that behavior is sort of evolving from the
how just users interact with like AI today, right, through chat GPT and whatnot.
And so the one of the vision is sort of imagine like an open AI operator that manages your finance
seamlessly across apps, protocols, and chains without actually requiring you to understand all the technical details.
you know, figure out how to optimize yields, executing trade strategies,
where you've been like, you know, doing fun things like aerodrop hunting.
And now with sort of the adoption of RWAs and stable coins,
users will actually be able to participate in non-crypto economies too, using crypto rails,
which I think is a huge opportunity. And, you know, on top of that,
This is going to address many of the wallet design challenges.
And currently, wallet interfaces will sort of increasingly get more complex and cluttered,
as more knobs and with those are being introduced to the wallet to address developing user needs.
But if we sort of extrapolate that,
the interfaces aren't really scaling, right?
The wallets will actually become increasingly more harder to use
based on these complexities, which I think
have the AI's eating UI and sort of the agentic user experience,
solve this problem really well.
Just like how you would interact with different GPs,
different use cases, or picking an app on your iPhone,
you can interact with the agent that sort of handles all these actions for you
without overly cluttering and uncomplicating the US.
And yeah, like I'm very convicted in where this is going,
where I do notice that observe that internet user base is very familiar with interacting with,
you know, user experiences like search engines like Google, where you're typing intent,
do a bit of discovery, go through the site flows, and then ultimately convert, right,
into an action or like a purchase online.
I think AI can help super streamline this with automation
and basically shortening the path from intent to action
within a single prompt or click.
So that world is going to happen.
And I think that's a very exciting problem to solve,
not only on the US front,
but also solving some of the trust challenges involved in AI as well.
Hey, Sean, do you think about
ripping and replacing the existing types of browser extension wallets or maybe like some of the dedicated mobile wallets or
Or is this like about like a new generation, a next class of crypto or defy users?
Because one analogy, like one of the analogies I've considered as I have, I feel like I'm a guy who drives stick shift in the defy space.
Like I've grown up over the last several years having to do so much manually.
And I, you know, I very much abide by that ethos of, you know, don't trust, verify.
And so I've lived with seed phrases.
I've lived with the notion that, you know, I have to really understand every bit of defy that I'm using because if I don't, you know, there could be an exploit.
And, you know, I have to even distrust the front ends that I'm using.
And like that sort of thinking...
can have those of us who have been here, you know,
basically wanting to maintain this very manual control of our wallets.
But then I think about like everyone that just came into the space over the last year.
And I'm like, they really don't have to go through all of the hoops that I jumped through.
And so like I'm personally assuming that,
What you're building now through Newton is geared towards probably like my kids when they grow up here using like Defi or, you know, the kid who's coming out of high school or college who has a parent that has maybe introduced them to some crypto.
Like these are folks that.
are going to see AI integrated into a wallet as the norm.
Like they're not going to have the same sort of maybe like distrust.
In other words, I'm thinking about how do you maintain the trustlessness of crypto
but introduce this new sort of like trust layer for autonomous finance.
So like how do you reconcile the two?
Like you're definitely closer to like the origins of where I'm from in the space.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's a very good.
That's a very good question.
And I think.
Yeah, like I do resonate with one point you're saying that, you know, maybe the generations that are a bit more like native to AI or even native to like mobile devices, they're more familiar with that experience and therefore trusted more compared to kind of like our generation.
We were sort of trusted a bit less.
And I think.
In the past, like browser extensions, it's a very, it's like a good way to get started, you know, like write down your seed phrases, you know, not like the most user friendly, but just giving you that sense of control.
But you know, I think the space have evolved quite a bit since when we started.
Personally, I have been a huge fan of on-chain smart wallets that actually leverages a smart contract wallet.
And there are many, actually many benefits to having a smart contract wallet is very augmentable.
Like it's modular.
You could rotate out a private key, right?
If you feel like you want to.
refresh your security, you could add multi-factor,
you could add social recovery, and so on,
pass keys, right, as a signer.
So you get a lot of optionality in terms of security
on that front.
And ultimately, I think it's a better baseline
than just having one plain, the key that you're managing
That could just expose at any moment.
And the moment that is exposed is gone versus, let's say, with a smart wallet, you suspect
one of the keys is compromise.
You can kind of rotate it quickly, or you can have all these kind of permissioning set up
or like daily withdrawal limits.
That's more similar to like a bank.
that can sort of protect these malicious transactions that's happening.
So I think the future is moving to smart wallets.
I think there's a lot of great companies developing this technology.
We're working pretty actively with folks from Rhinestone.
to sort of provide this solid like on-chain smart wallet foundation to build the automation from.
So, you know, there's the trust problems on the wallet side that is being addressed,
but also on the AI side, it's been quite interesting as well with a lot of developments in like verifiable AI.
deploying AIs in TEEs, setting guard rails for AI and sort of using ZK to prove that the AI is actually doing the action that is claiming to do.
So that is an area also that is part of the Newton vision to, you know, not only create the best possible U.S.,
but also to make sure the trust element is,
is insured, right?
And magic still, till today,
you know, the only wallet is up to type two compliant,
ISO compliant, some of these like traditional enterprise standards
to ensure that the wallet solution is trusted.
Also, we want the thing for Newton,
and that's a huge opportunity in terms of the protocol
to be able to provide that level of trust as well for automation.
Sean, just a few things you mentioned there kind of jogged my mind here.
You mentioned trust and guardrails.
And I've been thinking about a lot about this agentic future and kind of what agents will do,
what pathways they'll pick over another.
And I see a lot of discussion on crypto Twitter, you know, people saying like,
oh, agents will choose Ethereum because it's more secure or no agents will go to Bitcoin
or agents will go on this L2 because of this.
I'm kind of like since we have you here, I'm just curious like how you see some of this playing out,
like maybe not like, oh, which chain will they use, but maybe even some of the methodology that
will go into those guardrails. And I guess as an example, like,
If an agent could get better, say, trade execution by going for one pathway, but they think another pathway is slightly more secure, would they give up a little bit of that, you know, execution advantage for a more secure pathway or something that an agent would deem to be more secure?
Is this like stuff that you're thinking about or or experimenting with at Newton?
I think that's ultimately that's going to get there, right?
Like for example, users can set like pretty fine preferences, right?
And the AI can sort of operate within that constraint.
But to start, you know, we are deploying technologies like session keys and permissions to restrict
like the agent's specific actions,
you know, simple things like spending limit,
wide-listed tokens,
sort of more like a virtual credit card at first,
and then eventually sort of evolved the protocol
into being able to provide more expressive type of permissions
through the key store.
So I think, yeah, yeah, I hope that answers that,
I hope answers the question.
No, that does.
Actually, let's start to talk through
some of what you covered in this recent ex post,
titled The Wallet Endgame.
So maybe we can start to define some of these terms too.
So like one of the points you make is around this path from
wallet abstraction to app abstraction.
Maybe you could start out just by defining those terms.
What do you mean by that?
What does it look like for us as like the end user?
And basically what are you referencing in terms of what the future is going to look like with this?
Yeah.
So that is the three phases.
we see our wallet abstraction, chain abstraction, and application abstraction.
This is sort of the ux evolution right in these three phases where
magic started was around wallet extraction,
making wallet seamless and invisible to the end users,
providing white-labeled solutions and product
while eliminating C phrases.
And this problem, till to date,
pretty much effectively solved around wallet creation.
And the next phase, which is developing rapidly now,
is chain abstraction, which enables frictionless interaction
across multiple blockchains with a unified balance.
So given where the world is shifting,
this is, yeah, this effectively should be taken for granted,
in like this multi-chain world that is user-friendly.
Whereas Magic is focusing a lot more on developing
is application abstraction,
which we see as the sort of final convergence phase
where users are interacting on chain
without any learning curve assisted by AI agents,
instead of manually navigating DAVs, UIs, and chains.
And so the vision is sort of to create
this self-driving wallet experience
using all these different technology that's being developed,
where your assets are moving for you, right,
24-7 through automation.
So we kind of see it as the three phases,
but also, you know, maybe it's like a more controversial view,
right, around, hey, I actually don't see
DABS being there for very long term, right?
Eventually it would be more like these multi-chained agentic
experiences where users interact to.
And that's also going to change
how developers are building applications or agents in the future.
you know, they may not even need to write that much smart contracts
or do a lot of the cross-chain work
because a lot of the tool-calling and agentic capabilities
are currently being developed.
So I think in the future, it would be much easier and faster to go to market with an agentic model if you're a developer
and building this full stack with the UI and all of those complexity going cross-chain.
So I do see sort of there's like a gravitational pull into the abstraction direction on the developer angle as well.
Sean, you mentioned something really interesting there that I hadn't even thought of too deeply,
but you kind of bring up this idea of there's an opportunity for things and like automations to be happening on your behalf,
essentially while you're not paying attention, while you're sleeping, and just thinking like, does this change defy at all?
Like, does this create new opportunities in defy that maybe didn't exist before with this kind of user interface?
I think definitely the automation creates new opportunities.
I think from like simple just streamlining usage
or sort of interacting with different protocols across chains.
I think there's also an opportunity of like aggregating
these protocols and chains based on user intent with the AI.
So as a user, you're not really sort of
distinguishing, oh, which chain, which protocol I should use, you're just thinking about the
intention that you want, right? Maybe from basic dollar cost averaging into ease, because it's down,
you know, to something more sophisticated like trading strategies or simple trading strategies
like MACD, RSI. So there's many things that you can do that you traditionally wouldn't be able to do that well in
in like a dex, right, or like a decentralized exchange.
So I think it goes from there.
to maybe experiences that both read and write, right?
You can interact with an agent who kind of holds all these data on chain
and present different strategies for you to take,
and then you can just say, hey, like, confirm, right?
And then then then kind of go off and do that.
So I think it would be like a very different mode of interaction where
not only the UX is simplified,
but the user also is being informed through this experience.
Sean, something you mentioned about,
maybe you said that like applications might go away,
or like maybe some of the more pronounced brands that we know.
Like if you're a Defi user today,
Once upon a time, you knew like uniswap and then sushi swap came along and then there was an explosion of all sorts of AMMs.
And then we have decks aggregators.
And I do recognize those brands really do matter to us as users.
But I guess as you automate more of like the experience through a wallet, if you have an AI acting on your behalf,
I'm basically trying to double click on something you said.
Are you thinking that these recognizable brands might matter less,
that it'll be more of a...
a UI where, you know, we're asking an agent for like, what are the best yields available for like a stable coin?
And then it's spitting out those options at us.
Like, again, I don't know if I'm talking to an agent, but whatever.
Something here is ultimately powered by an agent and it's delivering me filtered information.
It's, you know, crunching all sorts of like,
information together that I don't have to go and gather myself manually.
And like, could the result of that be that, you know,
like the fact that I'm lending to like an AVE or fluid matters less to,
you know, the next generation of users that, you know,
users that come on chain in the next like 10 years or so.
It's just a really interesting point.
I might be mis-framing what you said, but if that's what you think, like,
That's really interesting and I'd love to just hear more about it.
Yeah, yeah, for sure. I think
In Web 3, especially when it touches finances,
that relationship with end user is very important.
So basically the brand and trust value that is built
by folks like Uniswap and their users, that's super, super critical.
And I think that's always going to be valuable in this future,
like the front end, I'm saying, right?
So I think
I mean, they have their own wallets.
I think a lot of these guys who have end user relationship and brand recognition, they all end
up having their own sort of wallets and front and experiences.
we sort of infer a lot of our direction from like the fat wallet thesis written by Delphi research around sort of developing that relationship with end users.
And on the magic side, right? So I think one of the advantages to
adopting a more agentic experience as like a wallet is that you can reduce the complexity and clutter, right?
As you are introducing new functionalities and integrations into other chains and protocols into the wallet,
so you can sort of abstract all of that away with like a natural language prompt.
So I do see potentially like,
folks who have end user brand estate,
those who evolved in that direction to make sure that their
UIUX continues to remain top tier.
But on the Newton side, around the protocol,
we do intend to make this a more credibly neutral approach
to offering this agentic trust and experience.
So meaning not only the wallets in the magic
and Newton ecosystem, but also other wallets
should be able to tap into this as well.
And we can provide this to all wallet providers.
And you can think about the Newton Wallet experience more similar to like the Warpcast,
to Farcaster, right?
To sort of provide that initial experience for end users to experience what is like to put your wallet on auto drive,
and then continue to be that best interface going forward to continue to sort of inspire.
Sean, keeping with this wallet endgame theme, we were talking offline a bit and you brought up something called Newton Key Store.
Can you expand on how kind of all the things we've been talking about sort of feeds into this longer term vision you have with this Newton Key Store?
Yes, so the wallet endgame sort of sets up this great wallet foundation for the most future-proof wallet user experience, trust, and security.
So the Key Store protocol really aims to solve the trust issues with automation, using verifiability, which ultimately enables that self-driving wallet experience.
And there's really, if I were to summarize it,
so we have light paper, it's a bit technical,
but if I were to summarize it, there's three parts.
The first one is automation guard rails,
which means users can generate session keys
that restricts agents to certain actions
with things like setting, spending limit, and whatnot.
This ensures that sort of the agent is operating only within the user pre-approved constraints,
allowing users to automate without pending over full custody of their funds or private keys,
you know, like what you may see in telegram bots, right,
like where you are literally handing over a private key
with some funds in it, sort of trusting that on the other side
they're handling it properly.
Whereas in this model, using session keys
is sort of like a crypto telekinesis, right?
You're not directly moving the assets,
you're sort of authorizing, or like, Oath
in a less sexy term.
is similar.
So the guard rails, that's the first part.
The second part is automation execution proofs.
So basically each time an agent execute the transaction, generate the cryptographic proof,
verifying that it actually ran the correct code without authorized modifications.
So this prevents cases like tempering, authorized transactions, and sort of security breaches,
powered by some of the
rapidly advancing technology in Web 3,
you know, trust execution,
trust the execution environments or TEEs,
using zero knowledge proves and circuits to sort of make this happen.
And basically, the key store will be able to ensure
that agents are executing securely and verifiably
without the user having to put a blind trust right into the agent.
That's the second part.
And the third part, which is pretty cool,
it's an automation services registry,
which means automation services and agents, developers,
can actually publish their services to the registry,
you know, with additional economic incentives designed
to encourage honest and effective behavior while protecting the end users.
If we were to sort of zoom out, right,
to look at the ecosystem, you can think of the wallet
piece as the iPhone.
The agents are like the apps.
And the Newton Protocol or Key Store is like the iPCloud and App Store.
So that's like an analogy that folks can understand.
Oh, yeah, that analogy kind of really brought it all together for me.
I appreciate simplifying it like that for me.
And just to kind of like reiterate then,
so essentially you're going to be inviting, and not only inviting,
but it sounds like incentivizing.
people to come and build out applications on top of this kind of foundation that you've created.
Is that correct to say?
Yes, that's correct.
It's going to, we're going to seed it, you know, for example, with some use cases first, and then, you know, we're going to open it up to folks.
Yeah, that's very cool.
Hey, Sean, so I'm looking at my own like Newton setup here.
And so I just have a few questions for others that are already using the Newton portal.
So like when you go to create a wallet, like,
what are we doing to ensure that we are 100% in control of that wallet?
And I guess, like, what prevents us from losing access to it?
Like, these are things that I've always worried about.
And I've, you know, as goofy as it is, I've taken...
some piece in knowing that, you know, I had like a seed phrase set up with,
with other wallets. But I created one pretty recently using my Twitter account, actually. And
it just opens up in my browser. It's magicnewton.com slash portal. I think that's the correct
address there. So just at high level, can you remind us when you create that wallet through like
a Twitter account or like a Gmail. I'm not thinking I'm putting my life savings into this just
right away, but for anyone that is using that wallet, yeah, what ensures that we're in control
and we can recover the wallet if my laptop breaks or I, you know, lose access to my computer?
Right, right.
So the wallet experience is currently available in the Magic Newton portal.
It's currently using the Magic Labs technology that's managing these EOA wallets in a non-stodial way.
And we actually have two solutions.
One that one is called delegated key management system, which is what we're deploying for folks like
Polymarket and real or Wallet Connect.
So essentially you can think of it like a cloud,
ledger, or treasurer.
where the private key is being generated purely on the client,
that's not being generated within the magic servers or anything.
And that private key is sent directly through secure channels
to these hardware modules called Amazon KMS for encryption and decryption
without kind of passing through the magic system.
So in that way, it's trust minimized.
And as a user, you can always export that private key as well.
A lot of folks are like, hey, now I feel like I have onboarded,
I have some funds in my account, maybe I want something else to manage.
I want to export this private key somewhere else,
or there's a way to do that for the end users.
We also have sort of a TE-based.
signer wallet that we're using for the Magic Newton wallet,
which is a smart contract wallet.
So that would be, we're looking to get that out there pretty soon.
So that signer key will then be attached to the Newton's smart wallet.
So this way you can sort of provide that modularity and enhanced security with the smart wallet.
You can add multiple keys, you can add social recovery,
you can add pass keys to FAA.
So that will be possible with the new smart contract wallet, which
which has a better trust model and security assumption
compared to a single EOA wallet.
So we're sort of leveling up both in terms of the US
and security with what we're about to launch.
And then any thoughts on like what's coming next that you can share? Like for example,
I'm just considering with what I have set up with Newton already, like I'm thinking ahead about
like when might I start to use this to, you know, lend money on fluid by Instadap.
Just like what's what's coming next and like how soon would I start to be able to like interact with some of like
my favorite major defy protocols.
Yeah, I think we're, I can't share specific dates of yet, but we're pushing super hard around the clock to get there.
And we're looking to launch like an initial experience where you can experience some of these automation, like from end to end.
It won't be like
maybe like super fancy like strategy right to start off it'll be like simple things that you can do around automation seeing how it works end to end from like a trust perspective with with what we're building on the on the protocol side and then sort of experience that initial experience with automation and trust
And I think I really want to open this up to the community too, right?
It's like, hey, what does the community want in terms of,
hey, well, I want to be able to do this kind of automation,
that kind of automation.
And then we can sort of prioritize
internally, we're like, okay, now we've got to do this where we can find developers to provide that and plug it into the registry.
So yeah, I kind of want this to be like a constantly evolving thing.
That's based on community. I think that's going to be a lot more fun and engaging.
Hey, Sean, we're getting close to kind of wrapping up now, but you mentioned community, and I just took a look at the spaces. There's just a ton of people here listening. So yeah, just wanted to give you the opportunity.
Hey, Nomadic. Nomadic, sorry, you broke up right as you like sort of begun asking the question there. Can you just repeat that one more time?
Oh, you might be breaking up again here. One more time, Nomadic. I'm not sure if you can hear us. Okay. Actually, I can just tee up here, Sean. No, I think what you were, I think what he was referring to was just, yeah, anything else that you wanted to call out here to the community. There's a,
Nice big audience here listening and just thinking about like those that are already super engaged with Newton.
Yeah, any like call to action or
yeah, guidance on how folks can get more involved with Newton.
Yeah, I mean, honestly, this is like pretty surreal.
We started around end of last year, and now there's so many people across the community
over millions participating in the quest.
It's just super great to see, and I'm super grateful for...
for such engaging and energizing community.
And I have a lot of fun interacting with y'all social as well,
with all the fun artwork.
So yeah, like I think the approach that I want to take here
is to look to building together with you all, right?
I think one way you guys can engage now,
it's like, hey, what kind of automation
that you guys are thinking of after hearing the vision.
And that way that will help us prioritize or find developers to help develop those features and plug into the ecosystem.
Or if you are a developer who's interesting, we'd love to hear your feedback as well and sort of iron out the best possible developer experience for this.
So yeah, there's a lot of way not only contributing in terms of like community, like spreading the work, but also being really involved in participating in the product process too, which would be like absolutely incredible.
And that's one of the duty of.
sort of this agentic wallet autopilot design is that it's now more possible to address
like different types of users and use cases instead of like just cluttering the
UX with all these features right so so it'd be like much more scalable form factor
into the future based on what the community wants in terms of automation so yeah
Well, this is probably a good place for us to close out.
So I want to remind everyone that's tuned in,
you can learn more about Newton by going to magicnewton.com.
Again, follow at Magic Newton on X for updates.
And then you can join the Discord at Discord.g.g.g.
slash magic Newton.
And then, Sean, any other final word for us?
Otherwise, just thanks so much for having Nomadic and me as guest hosts.
And if folks are interested to ever connect with us,
just go to the hyphenedge.xyZ.
We love to have, you know,
the next generation of great protocols and founders on with folks like Sean as a guest.
So yeah, anything else though, Sean, before we go.
No, that's it. Thank you so much for DefiDan Nomadic to help co-host this as well.
Yeah, I look forward. This is just the beginning.
There's more to come and looking forward to chatting more.
Awesome, guys. Hey, everyone, thanks for joining. Have a great day, and we will see you next time.
Thanks, everybody. See next time.
