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Recorded: Nov. 9, 2023 Duration: 0:43:32Space Recording
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Thank you. Greetings Tezos Nation!
Welcome to another edition of Tez Talks Live. I'm Stu from the Tezos Commons. Joining me today are Will and Trinity from Waiting to be Signed, the podcast
dedicated to generative art NFTs that frequently covers FXHash, one of the most lively art
marketplaces in the generative art space. On today's stream, we'll be giving away some
cold hard Tez, 25 of them to be exact, one of our lucky viewers.
If you'd like that lucky viewer to be you, keep an ear out for a keyword later on during the stream.
And of course, if you have any questions for Trinity and Will that you'd like me to ask, please add them in the chat at any time.
And we'll get to as many as we can before we wrap up.
Hi, Trinity and Will. How are things on the East Coast?
Chilly, cozy, warm, loving it.
Yeah, it's not too bad today.
Sounds good.
To get us started, can you tell us the backstory
of how the two of you met and teamed up
to start the Waiting to be Signed podcast?
Sure.
Was that a gesture to me, Trinity?
Yeah.
It was a gesture to you.
Okay.
Yeah. So Trinity and I have known each other for a really long time,
almost 20 years probably at this point.
We met in college through a game called Magic the Gathering.
I'm familiar.
Yeah. Yeah. So we're big gamers.
We were both kind of playing on the semi-pro scene and we would just get together to test a lot and play.
And then since then we've just kind of always been friends we've worked together at one job we've lived together
and we've always been close we both are new york based so that's kind of the story of us there and
then as far as getting the podcast started i guess it all kind of came because of covid and crypto
and we both kind of independently at first got interest in crypto in general. And then
once I kind of got the art collecting bug with early FX hash days, Trinity jumped in,
we spent the first several weeks of it just staying up all night in Discord, watching drops happen and flipping and just going crazy on it.
And eventually we bought into the culture and the community here and saw that it was something
bigger than just pure speculation. And we decided that we'd always been looking for a project
together. All these years, we always thought like, let's start a business of some kind. It turns out
what we need to do is start a podcast and we just want to document everything
that was going on in the space.
It's pretty funny because, you know,
Will has always been a podcast guy.
I've been vehemently anti-podcast.
But, you know, there really seemed to be this need
to document everything that was happening in the space
because there was these really large conversations
that were just happening on like such a short time scale.
And it felt really important to document that for the future, even. I think that was a large
part of it at the start was, you know, it's like this minute by minute, hour by hour, day by day,
you know, conversation about what was happening in this space. And it felt important not to lose
that. And so that was really value really quickly as well right
oh 100 and i think that's you know been you know one of the things that's changed about the podcast
is just how we document that conversation as like we go through bull markets bear markets and
everything it's been a wild ride well very cool half a bowl market and a current bear market and do you still play magic
the gathering not often we'll get together at a bar and you know will has a pretty uh great cube
actually and we'll we'll play then but with kids and will is now in new jersey it's getting harder
to do that unfortunately yeah the kids is the biggest issue.
We used to play pretty consistently once the cube got made, but yeah, now it's been a
minute.
It's been a few months.
It's fair.
So what exactly attracted the two of you to Tezos and FXHash specifically?
Why was that the place in the wide blockchain world where you decided to get involved and start
making content i got into it because of will yeah yeah an fx hash was before will told me about it
yeah we well yeah like i said we were both kind of into crypto but we were doing like bitcoin
and eth and rebasing tokens and all of the fad stuff. And when you trade a lot and just kind of like you're in it in that way,
you end up with like a lot of remainders of money in your account.
And one of the things I also got into was this thing called like helium mining,
which I think recently was proved to be like a proper Ponzi,
but without getting into the details of it.
But I was mining this coin called helium.
And the only way to trade it was by going to a really sketchy site that didn't do any like kyc or anything like that
and the fees were really high to go back out into like eth or something else so
as a as a side story we also knew someone who was building in tezos so we knew someone who was
working on a trading card game in tezos and we were kind of like aware of Tezos because of the work they were doing and so I was like I have like 500 bucks of this token let me go buy
some Tezos and see what this is about and quickly found TicketNuke like two weeks before that went
down and then from there FXHash emerged and took its place as like the place to start collecting
It took its place as the place to start collecting art on Tezos.
And so that's what got me hooked, is seeing all that activity there.
So it was really very accidental in a way.
I know a lot of people found Tezos because of the green angle,
like proof of stake, at least a lot of artists in this space.
But for me, it was just word of mouth and hey, I've got 500 bucks.
I think the thing that kept me in that space was the accessibility of it.
It felt seamless.
It was like a really solid user experience.
There weren't gas fees that I've been hearing nightmare stories about over on Ethereum.
And the price of collecting was really affordable, where you're able to build a solid collection and join the community and it wasn't
toxic. And so like, I think from a friendliness perspective, you know, that I think was like
hook, line, sinker, let me in. I love this. And as Will said, up all night, many sleepless nights
for a couple of months, consuming that's fair and and now
after being attracted in that way now here you are um for those who might not be familiar how
would you describe the waiting to be signed podcast like what is it that you you're doing
on it exactly so here we're primarily looking to talk about the generative art market we started
out with fx hash we've since kind of expanded the borders to talk about generative art generally. And originally it was to talk about primarily the market because that was like the height of, you know, the bull market. Everything was flipping. Everything was about speculation and just the hype, the hype, the hype and the conversation around it.
and just the hype, the hype, the hype and the conversation around it.
Since then, we've really come down to talk more about the art and the art space.
I mean, we still talk about the money because it's an important part of art on the blockchain
as we, you know, disclaim every single week.
And we really want to talk about, you know, what people are coming out with,
all the amazing innovation that we're seeing, because generative art, if you look out the space two years ago, and you look at the like the biggest drops that are coming out today, you know we absolutely love to see it um you know
obviously you know it's will sometimes be critical of work we want to celebrate but also have that
balanced side um yeah i think it's you just want to bring more attention to the space and not just
through our episodes about the art but also through talking to artists too and other builders such as Valerie from Trillium or Trillatec.
Trillatec. Trillium is just a delicious brewery. Yeah, they're great. Beer on the brain.
And to that end, how many episodes have you produced so far and what's the response been
like from the Tezos community? We've produced a lot of episodes. It's a little
scary. So the show's been running for almost two years now. We started it back in January of 2022.
So in that time, we've done 90, I guess, 91 soon, like canonical weekly episodes and 50-ish
interview episodes on top of that. And those interviews span artists, builders, collectors.
Yeah, those are the three main categories. So those are pretty evergreen. If anyone is not
familiar with the show and wants to jump in, I would say check out the interviews. As far as the
response from the Tezos side, it's been really good. I mean, a lot of the artists that we talk
about are primarily Tezos artists and are interested in Tezos in general. And I think they make up the majority of our audience. Definitely half or more
are people who are making art, which was interesting. I kind of figured that they
might not like our show at first because we talk about the market and that can be kind of
crass to a creative, but they've really embraced it in that sense.
A lot of builders in the space have been very supportive too.
Obviously, the FXHash team, we've had multiple members on Cypher to come on several times.
Emil and Ira from mProps, who are making a generative AI platform on Tezos.
We've had Valerie from Trillatech.
So it's been pretty great.
So you mentioned having Cyiphered on the pod.
In general, what's the relationship between waiting to be signed and the team at FXHash like? What does that dynamic look like? It's pretty good, I'd say. For the first year or so,
I think FXHash was pretty, they were pretty hands off actually in terms of like promoting not just us, but like anything, you know, they want to be
a very neutral platform. So they weren't tweeting about artists releases. They weren't tweeting
about episodes we were dropping, but in the last year we've gotten like way more communication
from them. They've been a lot more like, like supportive and giving us like information ahead
of time. So we can be sure to include it in the show,
suggesting people for us to have on, helping us make connections.
They were the ones who got us in touch with Valerie at Trillitech for that episode.
So it's been – I mean, overall, it's been really, really good.
I'm super thrilled to just have DM privileges with a lot of folks on the team and be able to ask questions and get insights.
Awesome. So in a more, in a more general sense, like we're obviously in the midst of kind of a transitional period for blockchain based art, not just here in the Tezos ecosystem, but
like across the, across the space. But unlike many ecosystems in the space,
space. But unlike many ecosystems in the space, the Tezos art community has actually seemed to
get stronger through what some people have called the NFT winter. And I'm wondering,
as people who've been paying attention, what do you attribute that robustness to? Is it something
that is community driven or is there more to it than that? I think it has to do with the art side
of things.
I think Ethereum and Solana,
they've always been really largely based in the PFP scene,
which is primarily based around roadmaps and speculation
and the financialized value that owning a PFP could have.
Art is about the intrinsic value of art.
It's here to be enjoyed. And I think that we've seen the overall size of art you know it's here to be enjoyed and you know i think that we've seen
the overall size of the community maybe become a little bit less over time but the voices who
are here as you said the voices are really strong people they're still really excited
and you know there's still a lot to rally around you know we see like fewer releases but they're
bigger because like they're getting you know uh more complex like more
tension more visibility and even if it's something that's happening on another chain like
a lot of the generative artists they cut their teeth in the fx world and we're here to support
them no matter where they go and you know i think that just speaks to that really tight knit community between artists and collectors.
A hundred percent. And as, as people with their fingers on the pulse of the, the Tezos art scene, from your perspective at this stage in the game, what's the, what's the state of the Tezos art
ecosystem as, as we approach 2024? Yeah, it's, I mean, it's, you know, we can't sugarcoat it too much, right? I think as strong as the space feels
and how tight the community is, there have been people who have peeled away in particular
collectors. We've seen a platform close their doors recently. The fact that pretty much everything
is denominated in Tezos terms. When you factor in the fiat conversion
ratio plus just prices going down in general, in those Tezos-dominated terms, a lot of projects
are down quite a bit, if you care to do the math. But for those of us who are here to maybe collect
long-term and aren't just about um selling in the next six weeks
six days you know six months it presents quite an opportunity to like look through and start
building a collection and building your own taste and figuring out like what do you actually like
in artwork not just in like you know a speculative token so there's definitely that side of it but
if you if you move away from the fact that things are just down generally across the board there's definitely that side of it but if you if you move away from the fact that things are
just down generally across the board there's a lot of cool stuff going on like obviously fx hash
has made a ton of improvements to their platform during the bear market um we've had new platforms
like m props the gerund of ai platform open up that is you know and they just recently like
really opened up and gave their tools over to artists to
make it more of an open platform. We've got 2.0 for FX hash
coming up. So it's it's been a growth year for sure. It's been
like a just survive kind of year if I think for a lot of folks.
We're excited to go. Yeah, I think we're excited for it to
end. I think we're excited for it to end i think we're excited
for the bolt to return and kind of everyone can feel good again i think everyone is
we've we've had a couple of audience cues come through that i want to get to before we move on
um carter would like to know why the focus on fx hash why not the whole Tezos art scene, including places like object.com?
I think that's just a volume thing. FX hash is, we're looking at one feed of information.
Generative art is something that we've grown to know a lot about over the last, gosh, almost two
years, two years now, pretty much. And so it makes sense for us to be able to cover that in a deep
and meaningful, impactful way.
When we're looking at covering all of objects and its different types of art there, whether it's generative AI, it's, you know, like just more digital art itself.
I don't think that we'd be able to do it justice.
It's really about going deep and, you know, expanding the generative art world, I think.
That's fair. Go ahead.
Yeah, I was going to say, FXHash, I think, really benefited early on.
And it's very centralized, easy to cover everything there.
And the way that they just have that feed that's chronological,
that makes it very easy to go, like, all right, project number 90 was the last one.
And then by the next day, it's 150.
So we just look at those 60 projects, whereas with object, it's kind of feels all over the place.
And so it's really a bandwidth thing, right? It's not a, like, we don't have proof of object or
anything. It's just, you know, we, we fell in love with generative art first. It's very easy to grok
what released in a given week on fx hash and some of the other platforms and so that's just
what released in a given week on FX hash and some of the other platforms. And so that's just,
you know we both have jobs and stuff so fair enough fair enough to be fair we do cover some
work on object more of like a generative artist releasing one of ones or series there um thomas
noia who's a big friend of the show he released like a gigantic series of generative art as a
series of one-on-ones and And we make sure to cover that.
Unfortunately, Object doesn't really support, at least at this time,
creating or releasing an algorithm that then releases that one-on-one of X.
You kind of have to do it as one-on-ones.
We're covering that as well.
So we want to make sure that we're covering that as well.
That's fair.
That's fair. But specifically within the code-based art sphere.
But I think specifically within the code-based art sphere.
Okay.
Okay.
And James would love to know the story behind the name
waiting to be signed.
Yeah.
It's from the early days of FXHash
because their indexer was so slow
and there was such high volume.
When people would have been to projects,
people would start flipping them immediately.
So you would have all these tokens
that were still unsigned. And when the little block went through the Discord sales feed,
instead of showing the image of the art, it would just say waiting to be signed.
Sometimes it would take days for that queue to clear up after. Yeah. There's probably still
some tokens actually that are stranded and will never be signed at this point from the earliest,
earliest beta days. But we kind of thought that's a funny thing that was kind of a meme, I guess, in Discord.
We're like, well, at the time, the show was only FXHash.
That was all we were paying attention to.
And so it seemed like a great name and a nod to that, like those earliest days.
I like it. I like it.
This is all great stuff so far.
I'm excited to learn more.
Before we get into the nitty gritty,
are you ready for the special two-guest the world famous Tez Talks lightning round?
Oh yeah, we're ready.
100%.
Before we do that, I'd like to announce today's keyword for the 25 Tez we're giving away today. Today's keyword is exclamation point Tezos. Enter the keyword exclamation point Tezos in the live stream chat and Nightbot will
randomly select today's winner who will announce it for the end of the stream.
Okay.
Now, Trinity and Will, it is lightning round time.
Remember, there are no wrong answers and this is just for fun.
So our viewers can get to know you both a little bit better.
For each question, each of you can provide an answer and I'll tell you who's I like better.
Are you ready?
Easy. Let's do it the best cuisine in the world comes from which country italy but made by the french or the japanese okay i'm gonna go india i'm gonna give this
one to trinity the best movie ever made is?
I guess I'll go first on this one.
I'm a really big fan of The Prestige.
I'm going to say The Matrix.
Again, Trinity.
Wow.
What's the perfect thing to do on a rainy day?
I chill at home or go to a museum.
Sit on your computer and collect art, of course.
Will takes that round.
On a scale of 1 to 10, how likely are you to visit FXHash on your day off?
On a day off, it's probably actually lower than on a work day,
but it's still pretty high, like eight.
Same, eight.
It used to be a tie. I guess that one's a tie.
I mean, we check it every day, to be honest.
That's fair.
And finally, what is the meaning of life?
Just give this one to Trinity already.
This one.
Well, let's hear it, Trinity.
Oh, she might be lagging a little bit a little leg there i'm giving that round to you your mic is working thank you those are excellent answers and you're both winners for participating
this concludes the tes talks lightning round let's get back into it uh now that we've talked
about the the waiting to be Sign podcast and its place in the
ecosystem, I'd like to zoom out a bit, talk about what it's like to be blockchain technology content
creators working to keep audiences engaged in 2023. First off, as content creators who frequently
focus on Tezos-based platforms and NFTs. What's your view of the Tezos message
and how it's being received currently?
Trini, you want to do it?
Is your audio good?
My audio is good.
I think this is an intratricky question.
The people who know Tezos and love Tezos,
I think that they get the message and they love it.
You know, I think that they understand that Tezos is kind of strictly better on pure technological terms.
I think that it's, you know, trying to hammer that message into the very thick skulls of people who are Bitcoin maxis or ETH maxis, because they don't necessarily want to hear that.
And it's about bag protection for the most part,
I think on that front.
I think that's been a really hard thing to kind of tackle
when it comes to specifically the Tezos message.
I don't know. What do you think, Will?
Yeah, I think definitely it's been hard
to sell Tezos to like ETH primary collectors on just purely the technology because a lot of them, I think, tend to be very market focused people.
And so they would say, well, all the liquidity is on ETH.
And so if Tezos is better, how come it's not there?
And so it's always this kind of difficult thing of trying to bring people over.
For us, we don't even necessarily pitch the technology as much as we pitch the art
because there's so much early art from artists here who have now gone on to release at places
like Artblocks and Verse and Tonic and do sales where they make like half a million dollars plus like in a day,
you know, off of, off of auctions, but that's all being driven on the each side. And so you want to
try to get those people to say like, Hey, if you really liked that artist, like check out these
amazing projects they did that got them the notice and the notoriety that you need to like jump over
and become curated on some of these Ethereum platforms.
Very cool. And zooming out a little bit further, in a time when consumer sentiment toward NFTs
has soured to a certain degree and where people seem to be taking a more cautious approach to
spending money in the space and investing in blockchain-based art.
How do we as marketers and content creators counter the narrative that this is all a bubble that at some point could all just go away?
I think that with the art scene specifically,
it's kind of a null factor because the utility is the art.
As long as the blockchain is running and we're using, you know, a token to represent proof of ownership rather than like the actual intrinsic value of the piece.
You know, I think that we're okay.
It's a method of trading something that people find beautiful, that people, they want to support the artists that they know and that they love.
And so I think that from an art perspective, and I think in my mind, Tezos is about the
art first and foremost, then it's kind of a moot point.
Okay.
Assuming that Tezos does not, like, the value does not go to, like, a cent.
I think we really get dragged down, in particular in the art space, by all the baggage that
down in particular in the art space by all the baggage that comes with nfts um i would love to
comes with NFTs.
see a great rebrand of nft at some point hopefully soon because you know we often joke that we're
like the most anti-nft nft podcast like most of it is scams like it's not like that brand
tarnish is undeserved and unearned a lot of that stuff costs a lot of people a lot of money
when it comes to the PFP stuff. And that's what people think of primarily when they think of
NFTs. And so for us, it's more about trying to focus on the fact that like, yes, this is tokenized.
Yes, it uses blockchain technology, but it's doing it in a way that's very different from what the
media might have reported to you or like your friend who lost money, you know,
flipping this or that animal, you know, token, like whatever PFP project,
like the roadmap is done. The art's done. If you like it, great.
You can keep it forever.
It's all about just being cost conscious and disciplined,
like as you're collecting. And if you,
if you make money long-term and that's your goal, great.
But if you want to fill your room
with prints and collect stuff,
then you can just do that
and you can do it in a very chill way.
And I think that we've said that 2023,
well, you said that it's the year of the physical
and it's about taking that thing
that you enjoy in this digital space,
bringing it into your physical space. And at that point like the token doesn't matter so much like maybe if you're
looking to sell it but it's about walking by it 25 times a day as you go to the bathroom or whatever
and so I think at that point it's really fulfilled its purpose you know it's something that brings
you happiness brings you joy and i think that you know by
divorcing the art from necessarily the blockchain i think we're able to tell like a happier more
holistic story about you know the impact on lives like not in a like capital i or capital l impact
on lives but you know just the little joys in life yeah and we we do see a lot of that here here in tezos
where we have you know artists coming from all kinds of backgrounds and all kinds of parts of
the world that are able to get get a start become successful make a living with their art like it's
it's a beautiful thing right um in in a general sense what what do you think we do well here in the Tezos ecosystem and art space?
A lot. I think there's a lot to like about the Tezos ecosystem for an artist and for an art
collector. I think first and foremost, at the top of the list right now has to be the fact that all platforms on Tezos currently honor creator royalties. That's a huge issue happening on the
Ethereum side due to things like Blur in particular, causing a race to the bottom.
And I don't know if you saw recently, but like OpenSea just got marked down in valuation by like
90% because they're getting absolutely destroyed by just the eradication of fees on
that side. So the fact that as an artist, at least for now, I guess if we 100x in market cap,
Tezos could have this problem too. But at least for now, all these platforms are fully honoring
creator fees. And I think that's a really great incentive to look at Tezos if you are interested
in making NFTs. There's also a lot of innovation, like just look at FX hash and all the features that they've added, even during this bear market,
redeemables, new variations on auctions, on params, which is kind of like similar to QQL for
anyone who's familiar with that, like the ability to customize your outputs. So they're really
using the blockchain to its fullest.
For those who might not be super familiar, can you explain what you mean when you're talking about royalties and why that's important?
So essentially, yeah, you know, royalties are essentially at the token level.
It's not tied into the token of the contract, but I guess within the marketplace.
So let's say you set a royalty of 10%.
This means that every single time somebody sells this NFT through a marketplace, the artist will get 10%.
And so it's important because it's a way for artists to continue to see value from their work, especially as it blows up.
Or else they're only really capturing value at the primary market level.
So if you sell a piece of art for $10, you get $10 from it.
And if you become famous later on,
and somebody sells it for $10 million,
well, you just made that person $10 million,
but you're not actually seeing any of that money.
So it's a way of, A, really valuable on Tezos because, you know, people came for the lower prices.
They came for the accessibility because it wasn't up for like the Ethereum market.
And so, you know, as Tezos continues to grow and get bigger, I think it's going to be important for artists to be able to capture that value because they help to build this community.
They're help building the ecosystem. And so it makes sense for people to do that.
It's their art.
Yeah.
And so that's like the main value add that I think the blockchain adds to the art space
overall.
Very cool.
So those are some of the reasons, some of the things that you think that Tezos ecosystem
is doing well.
What would you like to see more of in this space?
I've got a couple of things here.
I mean, I think first and foremost,
like as a collector
or just someone who's like Tezos positive,
I'd love to see more outreach
like on behalf of like Tezos in general.
I mean, I think Tezos honestly
amongst like art collectors
kind of has a bad vibe to it.
The foundation, I should say, not the chain.
I think people really enjoy the technology.
But I think everyone kind of calls Tezos the art chain.
Even Ethereum collectors call Tezos the art chain.
And it's very hard to see any of that messaging actually coming from the folks in charge of Tezos directly.
to see any of that messaging actually coming from like the folks in charge of
Tezos directly. Instead,
you hear about like big sports team sponsorships and things like that,
that just don't ever seem to materialize into any of the chain activity that you
might expect. I mean, so I think that's kind of first and foremost,
I think it'd be like recognition, acknowledgement that like,
this is the community that has found and is using your chain and starting to see some positive I mean I think obviously Trill Attack like talking to Valerie
I think we see that stuff being put into place but more messaging like more telling us like yes
maybe you haven't seen anything in 2023 that's really big but here's what you should look
forward to in 24 and 25 and beyond and how we're going to embrace art as a blockchain.
It's interesting to hear you say that because, you know, we talk to a lot of artists as well
and they tell us quite a different story that they feel like there are a lot of resources
made available to them and there is a lot of support from the entities operating within
Tezos.
But I mean, this kind of spills over into my next point, which is, you know, when we
chatted ahead of this stream, we both commented on how, despite the fact that we've all been
actively producing Tezos-related content for some time, we never communicated and we're
only sort of marginally aware of each other's existence until this stream was set up. So as members of a disparate global community tackling a rich topic like this, how can we
bring people like us together to build a more sort of cohesive message for Tezos and its
art scene, in your view?
I mean, I think this really comes down to like integrated,
needed like events, so to speak. Like as Will was saying, you know, blockchain really kind of blew
up during COVID when everybody was stuck in their homes looking for fun things to do while they were
in lockdown. And now that we're in more like that post-COVID world, let's bring this back out into like real world spaces.
You know, let's provide some of that support at, you know, the art basils, the freezes of the world, the big art festivals to really, you know, kind of legitimize or legitimize the like the NFT art space overall.
And I think that that's a really great forum to really bring things together. Will and I often
talk that Web3 is the most disorganized space that we've ever been in, coming from corporate
environments. And so I think that bringing that level of coordination and just, I think,
we're here to help. We're here to talk about things. We're here to help make things happen. Like we are a tool, so to speak, not in like, you're such a tool, although maybe
at points in time, that's been true. I don't know.
And I want to, I kind of want to build on the critique that I had, which is to say like,
yeah, I'm sure a lot of individual people have had a good experience working with,
you know, several of the, there's a couple of different entities
that kind of deal with Tezos at a high level.
But I think when we look at the chain,
like from collectors and from talking to a lot of collectors
on the ETH side and artists who have transitioned
from Tezos to ETH, of which there have been many,
I think there's a lot of things that Tezos could be doing
either directly through funding
or through providing incentives to builders, things that we really need things like a viable
stable coin, to say the least. I know there is some stable coin, but it's clearly not being used.
None of the platforms are adopting it. But the abilities to price tokens in something stable
would be
incredibly valuable. So you don't have to worry about Tezos going up or down 20% in a day and now
having to go and reprice all your tokens or thinking about that. There's a lot of just
really basic user experience things that Tezos could be funding or incentivizing in some way,
just to kind of make it feel like there's attention on trying
to grow the chain because that's really what I'm talking about is like what we lack is economic
activity and growth to make us feel like a viable place for people who are already collecting on
Ethereum to come over and check out and so like one or two artists having a good experience and
getting like a thousand dollars funding for their project is not going to grow
that activity here like we need like i guess we need we need like confirmation that there's like
big plans going on do you know what i mean i feel like we never hear that all we ever hear are these
deals being signed with with brands that then nothing comes of it and then it's like well
could that money have been better spent in another way? I think that's the impression. You mentioned bringing attention to the chain.
And obviously, what content creators like you do is an important part of doing that.
How can the Tezos ecosystem and the people and entities operating within it support and encourage people like you to continue doing what you're doing?
I mean,
first and foremost, but yeah, go ahead.
No, I think that's a great one because I think that, you know,
nobody does this as a full-time job. I'm sure that there are people who do,
but we don't, you know, it's,
especially pushing through bear markets like this.
And even if we hope that there's bright lights in sight in the next year or so, you know, it is a lot harder to put out content when things are slow and when there's less excitement.
And, you know, with listenership going down, there's just less overall activity. And I think it's, you know, partly making sure that we're kept in the loop around what
are the, what's the roadmap of efforts?
Like, what are ways to get involved?
Like, what is happening in the future so that we can maintain, like, you know, that carrot
out in the future, looking to chomp down on that.
But I think also finding like more like monetary ways
to support content creators because we're not artists,
we're not seeing revenue from like the art that we release.
You know, I know it's a significant amount of time
for you to do this.
It's a significant amount of time for us to release
the weekly podcast.
And so I think it's about making sure that we're seeing,
you know, some value from
that time out of the fun and love of doing it. Okay. And just like reach out, you know, we,
we've never had anyone reach out to us from other before I used to like on that's even like
remotely associated with Tezza. It's always been us reaching out. I think personally, we'd love to
have someone on the show from the foundation or someone
else from Trillotech who knows a lot more about the technology.
Talk about the recent roll-up situation and what that might mean.
Everyone we talk to who we think knows just says, you got to talk to someone else.
I honestly think no one knows what it does.
Maybe you know, Stu, and maybe that'll be a
different episode, but like, I have yet to talk to a single person who can explain to me, like,
what does this roll up thing mean? Why it's a big deal. And it's, uh, it seems like it's a big deal.
So I'd love to talk to anyone with expertise on it. I wish I had that kind of technical knowledge.
I understand conceptually what it does. The tech is not my spot.
Moving forward, what's next for the waiting to be signed team?
Like what can people in the space expect to see and hear from you in the weeks ahead?
More great content.
Is that the correct answer there?
There are no wrong answers here.
Definitely.
We have a couple of new interviews coming out.
Last week we recorded one with Luke Shannon,
who has created a project around generative chairs
where you actually can get a physical generated chair.
We talked about chair.
It was wild.
Way more fun than it sounds.
But we're also going to be talking to
Sykeshash more about the 2.0
release that's coming up in December
cool
yeah that's going to be really exciting
I expect a lot of content around 2.0
I mean they've already got
a huge list of artists who have kind of been
sitting and waiting
for 2.0 to come out
I guess we'll see what you know a big part for 2.0 to come out.
I guess we'll see what, you know, a big part of 2.0,
we didn't really talk about this,
is that FXHash is now enabling Ethereum on the platform.
So we'll see what portion of these releases are ending up on ETH versus Tez,
on-chain versus IPFS.
It's going to be very interesting to see how it all shakes out, and we'll be covering it every week on...
Well, maybe Cypherd can help help you understand rollups a little bit better
and what part they're going to play in the crossover with ETH.
I think that'll be worth asking.
I don't, I don't think they'll have any role that I'm going to ask.
And where can those who are interested find your content and connect with you
yeah you can follow us on twitter at waiting to sign uh the b maybe the b and so you can follow
us there and every time we have an episode we'll be tweeting about it you can follow us directly
in spotify or your favorite podcast app it's waiting be signed. And if you are enjoying the show,
maybe you're already a fan and you're listening. We recently started a Patreon after several
artists gave us a really hard time about not having one. So all the content is free. You get
nothing for joining the Patreon. You just get the satisfaction of supporting us. And so that's
patreon.com slash waiting to be signed. If you want to check that out. Sweet. And that, that satisfaction is an NFT in and of itself,
right?
Yes.
And yeah.
And we might have some collabs with artists coming out soon too,
which will probably be on FX hash.
So look out for those.
Very cool.
We have another audience queue that's come through.
Object collector would,
would like to,
it says I'm also starting a podcast that documents object.
Any advice to get
started? Just get started. I think that is the number one thing. And, you know, if you have a
friend who wants to do it with you, like Will and I, you know, it keeps you accountable. It keeps you
motivated to keep doing it every week. And I think just consistency is key. Write down what you want
to talk about, write down the art that interests you and just go it, go for it and maybe get a good microphone. That's maybe the
other thing. Yeah. They're like 80 bucks. It's no big deal to get a good microphone. Uh, and don't
sweat, don't sweat the numbers early on. Don't sweat growth. Like it's something that, uh,
comes with time. You know, you're not instantly going to have 100 or 500 or 1,000 listeners.
It's just, yeah, consistency. You got to be doing it for yourself, to be honest. So
you got to just be happy with what you're making, feel good about it, and keep your fingers crossed
that the listenership will follow. Fabulous. We could go on for hours, but we're just coming to
the end here. And before we close off, I'd like to announce the winner of the 25 hours but we're just coming to the end here and before we close off I'd like to
announce the winner of the 25 Tez
we're giving away today, today's winner is
Yogi
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And then we'll go your shiny new Tez over to you just as quick as we can.
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We'd love to hear from you.
Will and Trinity, thank you so much for joining us today.
It's always awesome to speak to the folks
dedicating their time and talents
to spreading the Tezos message to the world.
Is there anything else you'd like to mention
or plug before we sign off here?
Thank you, Stu, for bringing us on.
We really appreciate it.
And, you know, podcast to podcast.
Thank you. My pleasure. My pleasure. If, you know, podcast to podcast. Thank you.
My pleasure. My pleasure. If you're ever in the New York area and you want to play magic,
hit us up on Twitter. It'll give us a reason to get a group together and play.
That's fair. That's fair. Thanks again. To everyone out there in Tezos land,
thanks for joining us on the Tez Talks live stream. I'm Stu from the Tezos Commons and our awesome guests have been Trinity and Will from the Waiting to be Signed
podcast. Now let's go consume some Tezos content.
Thanks Stu. you you
