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WEB2 BUSINESS, WEB3 MENTALITY - TOPETALK EP 60
Recorded: Aug. 10, 2023 Duration: 1:02:24Space Recording
Full Transcription
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Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
You know what it is.
Black and yellow.
Yeah.
You know what it is.
Everything I do, I do it, bitch.
Yeah.
I'm screaming that snap when I pulled up the line, that snap.
I came up at my towel.
You see me.
You know everything.
Black and yellow.
Black and yellow.
Black and yellow.
Black and yellow.
I'm putting down from the whims of my diamonds.
I'm in black and yellow, black and yellow, black and bomb.
Black stripe, yellow paint.
I hear they're scared of it, but the pros ain't.
Soon as I hit the club, look at the moon face.
Hit the pedal once, make the floor shake.
Sway inside.
My engine roar, you know what I paid for it.
And I got the pedal to the metal.
Got you out here, chicken game.
I'm balling out on every level.
Hear them haters talk, but there's nothing you could tell them.
It's made a million, got another million on my schedule.
No love for them, boy, I'm breaking hearts.
No keys.
Push to start.
Push to start.
You know what it is.
Everything I do, I do it, bitch.
Yeah.
I'm screaming, that snap.
When I pulled off the line, that snap.
I came up at my toe.
When you see me, you know everything.
Black and yellow, black and yellow, black and yellow, black and yellow.
I put it down from the whips and my diamonds.
Black and yellow, black and yellow, black and yellow, black and yellow.
I got a call from my jeweler, this just did.
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And now, here's Crypto Chris G with Tope Talk.
What up, what up, what up, what up?
Thanks, Mr. Medic, for that.
As always, my AI girlfriend, she was an ex for a while.
For a week, she was my ex-girlfriend.
We made it back together again.
She basically, I configured her to only say things that I like versus letting her speak her mind.
So now it's, it works again.
But anyway, thanks everyone for being here.
You know, it's, I can't help but one of those songs was played twice and this is definitely
the second time it's been played.
So I can tell that Crypto Medic is in his room, bobbing his head, singing to the words
and jigging in his chair because he definitely likes that song.
And yeah, really excited to get this thing started.
So let's, let's, without further ado, what's going on, Mice Media?
How are you guys doing today on this lovely Thursday?
Doing well, my man.
And I don't know what that first song you played was, but the, the opening lyric, I don't
think it had any music in the background.
And I swear to you, I thought you sang and I almost lost it at my desk.
I was like, holy shit, what's he doing?
He must be really comfortable with these people because I thought you were belting it out,
man.
So caught me off guard, but happy to be here and, uh, you know, very, very excited that
you invited me.
I'm appreciative.
Thank you so much.
For sure.
Now I, the Twitter space would hard rug if I started singing, um, not even Elon can save,
uh, that kind of technology from, from torment.
So we'll stick for, let's keep away from that, uh, crypto medic, man, what's going on, bro?
Thanks for, uh, thanks for the DJ medic.
What's going on?
What's up my brother from another mother.
Glad to be here.
So happy to have mice in the house.
My two favorite projects of all time right here in my house.
Loving it.
So happy to see everybody here.
It's still cooking hot in Arizona.
I don't know.
We're like frying to death out here.
I think we're still in triple digits, ready for the winter, ready for the fall to head
and ready for the bull to start running.
Yeah, man.
We think we're close.
Everyone's like, Oh, it's, it's right around the corner.
I don't think anyone has any idea except for plan B Bitcoin himself.
Um, we can talk about that in a minute about the heat chart.
Uh, let's, uh, run over to Enzo real quick.
How heated, how heated are you right now?
Enzo?
Uh, what's up everybody.
I am actually, uh, not that hot.
It's 60 degrees outside.
Oh, yeah, dude.
It's, uh, the weather in here is incredible.
It's going to be 30 next week.
I think like Sunday, but right now we're having 60.
So I'm, I'm kind of happy with the weather right now.
So, uh, happy to be here.
Uh, excited to hear more about mice media.
I've been following you guys for a long time.
Uh, I, if I remember correctly, which I think I do, I was the one that told crypto medic
to get a mouse.
I'm just putting that out there.
Well, I owe you a huge thank you, uh, because I joke around with crypto, but he's an amazing
dude, great guy in our community and, uh, uh, I love having him as a part of what we're
building.
So I appreciate it.
And dude, every time I see your, your PFP, well, not your PFP, your name, I always think
we know each other like well, but I don't know if we've ever actually spoken before at any
length.
And I don't think we have.
Uh, I don't think we have.
I, I've been in and out of the, uh, discord a few times.
Uh, but for the most part, I just follow along with everything you guys do on Twitter and
I just have one of your mice in my ledger.
Uh, I don't think I've ever move it out of there, but, uh, yeah, for the most part, I
just follow you guys.
Uh, I've been really intrigued with everything you guys are doing.
Um, medic always gives me a great update on, on everything that's going on.
So yeah, I've, I've been following you for a while.
I just don't, I don't speak about things in the web three space often.
I just, aside from Tope Talk, I, I don't really do, uh, much talking about, uh, Twitter
NFTs.
Well, there you have it.
We brought on Tope Talk today.
We brought two friends long lost from each other.
Now together introduced live on Tope Talk voice and all.
Wow.
Um, uh, you know, and so let's move on from you.
I'm still jealous about the, uh, 60 degree weather.
It is, it is scorching, flaming, uh, walk outside and it gets a little, uh, slimy out there.
Uh, it's a, you can boil an egg on these streets of, of Tampa, Florida right now.
It is so damn hot outside.
It's nasty.
But, uh, without further ado, our long lost, uh, brethren from, uh, from the Arctic has,
has re he's resurfaced with 30 pound fish.
He's caught, uh, Mr. Walker Holmes.
What's going on, bro?
Yeah.
Nope.
Yep.
All the way down here from Alabama.
Um, it's, it's a scorcher.
We're, we're not in the triple digits, but it's smoking and just really quick while, while
I have the, have the microphone, I think there's a little celebration due.
I mean, over the past few days, past week, we have seen Coinbase and PayPal launch crypto
assets.
Well, in the case of PayPal, ERC 20, in the case of Coinbase, a layer two solution.
And I truly believe that we are seeing a standardization in this industry, just as we saw windows, just
as we saw iOS on top of the Ethereum virtual machine.
It is a very exciting time.
You know, looking at the market analysis really seems like right now.
And, you know, for anybody that wants to know, I mean, tracking Bitcoin is a great way to
really dictate, you know, how the ebbs and flows of the market are going to go.
You know, typically if Bitcoin's trading in a range, you're going to get some really good
pops from the alt coins.
If you see a lot of liquidity flowing in or out of Bitcoin, you typically see sharp downturns
because either people are trying to chase the rod with BTC or larger caps like ETH, or if
they're going down, you know, people are fearful.
You know, right now with Bitcoin, it looks like we've set a pretty nice range here between
29,885 and 28,898.
So, it's, you know, it's looking nice right now.
Actually, I took a short on XRP yesterday when we saw Bitcoin on the four hour make a double
top right around the 200 day moving average, right at the top of the range.
But guys, we are loading up.
I mean, BlackRock has filed a spot ETF.
They have over a 98% success rate.
I mean, I really think we've got some exciting things coming.
Stay diligent.
Stay true.
Find your strategy that's sustainable and you can't help but win.
Let's get it.
You know, it's crazy.
Speaking of XRP, you know, I'm not going to spend much more than a little few seconds
on this, but it's absolutely insane what's happening in the DeFi world right now.
There's a coin called XRP that Coco found at 60K market cap.
And I faded because I lost money on a honeypot Luna.
And this XRP coin is at 17 million market cap today.
And yeah, he's got, he turned five ETH into over 170 ETH so far.
I've never, I've never seen anything like it.
I know.
Yeah, bro.
There's a bunch of the guys that are sitting on gigantic bags of that, that coin.
And the crazy thing about it is that there's a whale that keeps loading up like 50 ETH at
a time, buys the coin between like three to like 15 ETH at a time and then burns all of
So he's up to over one point, like, I think it's like $1.8 million of like, of coins that
have been burned that he's bought and then burned into the, into the ecosystem.
So that's absolutely, I think the only other coin that's done something of this caliber
is, is the first one, which is the Bitcoin derivative on Ethereum.
So really interesting to see if this does go to the 90, to the billion dollar market cap
as well, like Bitcoin did, um, based on these, uh, dev actions and whales that are, it's a
whale game that's taking place there.
I've never seen in a couple of years.
So really excited for them.
Um, my bag is not as, uh, not as pretty.
It's still up a lot, but you know, I didn't, I didn't go in like that.
Um, so anyway, I want to jump into some news real quick here.
We've had some interesting stuff take place on the, um, in the, in the world right now.
I think the first one is the news from BNB that they're really focusing on a, um, uh, in
this month, they're doing two upgrades to improve their hard fork, uh, on the security and
compatibility side with EVM chains.
So it looks like the BNB network, which would be very bullish because a lot of, uh, community
is built on BNB through their, their games and just overall, uh, cheaper, cheaper type
of, um, opportunity there to, to move around and really interested to see how their, how
their hard forks go.
And I, and I wish the best for that.
Um, on the side of, uh, NFTs, we, uh, we've seen that they're, the youths are migrating
over to Ethereum, which is exciting.
They're giving back the $3 million, excuse me, the $3 million of, uh, Polygon grant money
is going back to Polygon.
So bearish for that chain.
That's, that's definitely got to be like, uh, I mean, it's gotta be interesting to lose
a blue chip project like that.
Um, but you know, D God sees the true potential on Ethan is, you know, the demand has been
there.
Um, on the side of D gods, they've announced their season three and that there's a $750
price tag to even update the art and they're holding hostage the points that everyone has
been accumulating, um, for that so that you cannot use the points unless you are, uh, you're
a season three D God.
So it's in order to use your points at $750 a head.
That's pretty insane.
Um, in my opinion, and, and Frank has been, uh, posting pretty, uh, pretty emotionally
about it.
You know, he's receiving a lot of heat and he goes into his position.
So just curious what you guys think about this.
Um, are you bullish bearish?
Is this, is this, uh, I'll throw, I'll throw a little sauce on that.
So, you know, I believe that it's 333 dust, uh, to upgrade the asset.
So I think, uh, I think dust has dropped from like two something, uh, in the last like three
days down to, I think it's around one 16.
So you're looking at like, there's a huge dump today, right?
You're looking at like a $532 price tag to upgrade the art.
But what's really interesting to me, you know, when I'm, when I'm looking at it, if you believe
in the Utes and D Gods ecosystem, which I do, um, for sure, I think they've done an amazing
job.
They've got a great community, um, you know, and, and a team that continues to, to deliver
and show up.
Um, but you know, with the Utes migrating over to Ethereum, right?
I mean, look at what happened with the Polygon merge.
Now, I think there was a lot more hype around that.
So not necessarily like, you know, super one-to-one, but I mean, all the liquidity that that's going
to unlock the access to, to the Ethereum main chain.
And I would think personally, if I was going to place a bet in the ecosystem, I would think
that the Utes are going to make a run on the D Gods, um, relatively speaking over, you
know, the, the, the mid to, to long term as we ramp up into the Utes season two, which
will proceed season three, which was announced, you know, it was only D Gods.
Uh, yeah, man.
So I think that's a super interesting play and, and I've got a lot of faith in that team
to continue delivering.
Yeah.
I've got faith on the team.
I hope that they, I hope, I don't, I don't foresee much liquidity being driving it, driven
in because like, it's really not that difficult to get over to Polygon to buy this thing, but
it will be an easier, um, more, an easier user experience.
So I do believe that there could be like a short-term pushup, like you said, what do you
think, Medic?
Medic bought a Ute today, enough said.
Oh, there you go.
Top signal.
Top signal, exactly.
Bryn, do you guys have any thoughts on the my side when it comes to the NFT world?
On the, on the my side, you said, with the NFT world?
Well, like regarding, regarding watching, you know, you're seeing another founder pivoting
at, at a rapid speed.
I mean, these collections haven't been in their new homes for very long and, uh, their lease
isn't even up yet, you know, like the grant money.
So they're, uh, they basically are breaking their lease, paying the fine and, uh, moving
on to another, uh, another apartment complex.
I mean, I love that.
Right.
I think, you know, it looks from, from my optics, uh, even from, you know, I don't hold
them, but from a community perspective, you know, he's not going to be bought or he's not
going to be held, uh, for something like, uh, you know, financial motivation, which I think
is great, uh, in terms of him catching that heat, you know, either way, I think his response
to it is always great.
Right.
I think he's kind of quick to show, uh, humility, which always goes a long way with the community.
And, but I always do wonder, like, does he actually feel that way?
Or is it, is this the best way to play that hand?
But I think no matter what he's doing, it's always for, I think the, the brand at large.
So don't really question it.
And I, you know, in a tough spot, because you have a lot of people with a lot of money
invested in him in different ways and his vision.
And I'm sure that's a fuck ton of pressure.
And he seems like a good dude.
Yeah.
And he's handling the pressure probably as best as possible.
I mean, I, I can't imagine, especially at his age, um, this is definitely learning
experiences and, you know, you're messing with people's money.
It doesn't seem like, it seems like NFT people are a little more emotional than the rest
of the ecosystem, because like, we're watching people like Pauly, Ben Dodd, he's like, and
other, other, the, you know, influential, influential figures, um, found coins and, uh, nothing ever
happens.
You know, it's so interesting and nobody cares.
Like there's serial ruggers out there that nobody cares about when it comes to, uh, this,
this, this, uh, NFT project, it's all hell breaks loose and people floor stuff and write
not, you know, posts that really matter.
And it's like, because it's almost like, because they know he's going to listen.
And even if he doesn't like do anything about it, they know that they can get to him.
And I feel like that's like some, that's like the human, like people want that access.
They want you to know how they feel.
And when nobody really cares, like Pauly, it doesn't like have that much of effect because
then nobody else cares.
So with him being somebody who does care and Frank, I, I feel his pain of like having to,
you know, be a great, great leader and, uh, and listen and, you know, either, you know,
sometimes even react.
So, you know, I wish that, you know, I think that they're going to make a great decisions.
I love the, the eight transfer of use, uh, regarding the price that it doesn't really
matter to me.
The price has never really mattered.
Like, because those things are still one of the top collections and doing stuff in this
space.
So long-term very bullish, you know, for, uh, when we do see more retail investors, um, if
anybody has any more on that, that they want to put a take in, please feel free.
Yeah.
I mean, if you don't mind, if you don't mind, because I think you touched on something that's,
that's, uh, you know, super, super relevant because it's, it's an objective truth that
a, you know, I think a lot of emotion is built into web three, right?
There's this raw emotion.
I think it's, you know, on one hand, I think it's the absolute best thing about the industry
that you can get people to care about a brand that deeply, right?
I mean, that's an asset that I'm not so sure any other industry really has as much
as, as we do here, but at the same time, it can be a detriment, right?
Because people think take a lot of things much more personally than they would in a
traditional business landscape.
Uh, people get tied to things.
There's also, uh, tied to people, tied to things, et cetera.
So when you make changes, I think it reverberates a little bit deeper than it normally would
in a traditional business setting.
Um, but, you know, and I, and I thought about that a ton and I think it's exactly, you know,
when, when, when you look at NFTs, a lot of times you can really, you know, call a community
member and investor, right?
And, you know, in, in a traditional business setting, or at least in my experience with
non-publicly traded companies, you have a handful of investors and you need to make sure
that, you know, you manage them, their emotions, their expectations.
And, you know, it's a big part of your job, right?
I mean, that used to be maybe the biggest part of my job.
Uh, and when you, when you fractionalize that, and although it's not the same thing necessarily
as, as equity stake, you know, per se, it's still so similar.
And what we have is not only, uh, you know, an absolute multiplier effect on the amount
of investors, but because, um, you know, I think it's a lot of times a lot cheaper to
invest in an NFT brand than it is to really invest meaningfully in the company.
You have a lot of first time investors, right?
People who are really on this ride for the first time.
So it's their first time experiencing, seeing things.
And, you know, that emotional reaction, I think is usually if communicated correctly, something
that can be managed, but it's definitely a massive difference between a web two and a
web three brand from my perspective.
Yeah, it really is.
And I mean, that's, I think a lot of these, uh, web three brands so far, you know, don't
have a web two, um, you know, they don't come from the web two side with a successful
business that they can utilize in their web three offerings.
So you're seeing like a lot of the, that's why it's imperative for them to find these
partnerships.
And, you know, based on what we're seeing with the, uh, D God's point system and stuff,
I think that's probably one of the routes that they're going to most likely aim for is
finding great partnerships to help them, um, you know, put like you basically make that
thing work, make the engine churn for, uh, for the point system.
And, you know, we've been, I know that Jordan Walker, myself on our youth, we've been staking
those things since like the day that we minted or purchased.
And it's, you know, those, those points have nothing to them.
So we're, we're, you know, we're still in that boat too, like waiting for our turn.
And I think, uh, when they've, they've clearly made these two different brands, even though
they're the same company, the two different collections are two different brands.
So like, there's no reason that they're in the future.
If the youths have a better offering, they can't flip D gods, you know, like it's, if you
really look at it, cause that's how they're positioned almost like two different, two different
type of holders.
Um, so I think that's a really unique situation and you gotta, gotta give that credit to that
team for figuring out how to do that and do it successfully so far.
Um, it's also interesting to see things like Sproto, you know, that's from the, the Sproto
was a freemint with a current floor price of one ETH.
Um, those were minted and given to the holders, the 3000 so odd holders or how, you know, of,
um, of the, the Bitcoin built on Ethereum, you know, the Harry Potter, Sonic and Noose, uh,
10, God, I can't even say the whole thing.
Um, and that's interesting too, to see that type of community become together, uh, from
a, from a, you know, part of my language, but shit coin.
So it's like this and, and specifically they're calling these the, they're called autism coins
is the, the lingo that's going around.
So it's, it's really interesting to see how all these people come together and create a
floor with, with no use case yet.
You have struggling founders with, that are wanting to change the space for the greater good.
And I think that we're going to need those retail investors to find their way into this
space.
And hopefully they land on the youths and stuff versus, you know, not versus a Sproto, but
like that, they, that they take the due diligence and do the D Y O R if they so choose, you know,
I think that, uh, NFTs art is such a powerful tool because once that, once that coin was launched
or I'm sorry, once that NFT was launched, Sproto that shot their, uh, market cap of their coin
from 27 mil and that's when it took the ride to a billion.
Um, so that's, it's so powerful what an NFT can do, uh, in, in different use cases.
And it's not always need to be like, um, known that this is a utility token because there's
a difference of shit coin and there's a difference of utility shit coin.
And you're seeing that with like these different bots that have taken place, like none coin,
that thing is absolutely rocking and rolling.
And they take a little longer, like they have like a, like a maturity of like a week or so
before you potentially see some good profits, but they, uh, typically those utility coins
that are coming out that are making, uh, making either airdrops easier, you know, for a different
type of layers or even, uh, airdrops for NFTs.
Like they're, they're making the process and automating that for you.
So I'm really, really bullish on what you're seeing on the utility side.
And I, I think that a lot of this will flow back into the NFT side, but when it comes
to web two businesses, you know, let's go into that topic, you know, how do you, you
know, at mice media, how do you guys have, how do you guys like take a web three mentality
to a web two business in your opinion?
Uh, you know, maybe like a week or two ago, uh, this is like my favorite topic, right?
Because I think there's so many good things in web two that could be transferred to web
three.
And there's so many things about web two that could be improved with web three.
And in being in spaces all the time, you hear it so often where, you know, when you talk
about web two and web three, people apply that to either, uh, you know, a group of
people, right?
Like how are we going to get web two here?
Like that kind of mentality or even a product and, or, or, or even a place rather, meaning
that they're kind of these separate things.
But I think when you really objectify it and look at it, you know, web two and web three,
if we go back to the first time we ever heard of that, it's a progression of technology,
right?
You know, you had web one, talking about the internet, most of the time when you talk about
that tech, you talk about, you know, social media, which is a progression of tech.
And then you're getting into web three with, I think, you know, you could probably classify
it with blockchain technology or something like that.
It isn't a group of people.
I think it's reflective of a group of people in terms of market adoption.
But if you look at it as these two separate entities, I think you start to get a skewed
perception.
If you look at it as people, uh, migrating along that same evolution as the technology,
you know, I think if you look at it as not, how can I just really use a shit ton of
web three tech, uh, and, and try to, you know, uh, attract people to it.
I think that's what we've done for a long time now.
And I think it's very limiting.
I think if you lead it with value that people already want, if you leave it with features
that people already want, but you make that experience better by leveraging web three
technologies and you really stay true to that paradigm, I think it's a much more logical
progression, right?
Uh, you know, I think we've gone as far as we can with, of explaining NFTs to people that
aren't in the industry.
I think we've capped on that.
I think, I think we've done it.
If they're here, they're here.
If they're not here based on that, they're not coming.
I think when we start to really see, uh, you know, web three technology being used to
provide something at a, you know, with a better experience that people really want, that's
when we're going to really see, I think the market move in a massive way.
So when I see brands being built, you know, not on NFTs, but brands being built with NFTs,
I get pretty excited and I'm seeing it more often now than, you know, a year ago when
I came into the space.
So yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
And I mean, that's why I think it's so crazy.
I know that like a lot of the processes that these telegram bots are, are creating are currently
a web three type of form.
I've also had a meeting with somebody who was able to create a restaurant menu.
Like you could almost Uber eats from a telegram chat.
And when you are able to like bring a lot of things together and like telegram was originally
used like to, to do encrypted text messaging, you know, just like signal is, but the, the
type of tech that can be built on that platform.
It's like, imagine if telegram became like the best use of like, you know, the second to
best of like an Apple messaging, right?
It's quick.
It's encrypted.
Did it, you can delete, you can do all, you can all just, but then you can also Uber
eats from it.
Like now you, you can eliminate different apps and then you can also trade your crypto
wall.
So you can make a wallet instantly.
You don't have to go into MetaMask, right?
You can like do all this stuff from a, an encrypted version of telegram.
I just see that there's going to be a, I think it's the start because the current use case
is using it to trade faster.
It's using it to, to buy and sell coins that, you know, stop losses, which you can't do
from a DeFi level as is.
But what happens when this then migrates into a better position of buying and selling and
moving, you know, alt coins.
And then, you know, now you're able to pay your rent from telegram.
I just think that, that we're seeing some of that, that my, that seamless experience that
we've been kind of like working towards, but a lot of people don't realize that like,
like telegram is pretty web too.
Like it's, it, I'm seeing new people join, like anybody in your phone that, uh, joins
telegram, typically they, you'll see, Oh, so-and-so has joined telegram, like say hi.
I get that every day from people that I just have saved in my phone.
And some of them are super web to people.
So I'm like, okay, they're, uh, they're kind of, you know, they're, they're for a purpose.
They have telegram.
Maybe it's to communicate with somebody like WhatsApp across the world.
I mean, they, my buddy just bought a soccer team over in England and now he's back.
And then he has telegram now.
So he's obviously communicating with people through that app.
And now potentially what happens when he gets an experience where he's buying pizza now and
having to deliver it to his house.
Like it's some really interesting thing.
You can actually build a website within it too.
So it doesn't have to be for the purpose of that, but to build a website option inside
telegram, um, yeah, I'm just, I'm seeing, I'm seeing that migration and telegram is obviously
not perfect, but it's, it's, it's a great direction and, uh, providing experience to people
where they don't have to go very far.
Like they don't need to go create a wallet on some random site, figure out how to do this
for, you know, it's, it's going to be pretty, pretty simple through text messaging.
And the average person loves texting over picking up the phone nowadays.
Right.
But, um, yeah, so Walker, man, how's it been, bro?
Tell us about, uh, tell us about your experience and then, uh, we'll dive into some more tech
stuff, bro.
How was, uh, how was the Arctic?
It was great, man.
You know, I think that sometimes, especially in this space, we kind of, we kind of get like
really like monotonous and maybe even a little lost, like in, you know, just like the technology
and the screens and it's, it's, it was, it was very healthy for me, man, just to step
away for two weeks, you know, to go fishing, spend time with the old man.
Um, and he is old.
I'll let him know every day.
Um, but to, you know, just be able to get out there, man, and, and fish and, you know,
spend like legitimately almost two weeks in a full diffuse mode of thinking.
Um, it was a really, really powerful exercise and just a great way to recharge.
Um, and I mean, I would say my key takeaways are, you know, do not take for granted the
people around you, you know, and the people who have supported you and loved you, you know,
really, really appreciate all the moments that you have because you never know when, you
know, when things are going to change.
Um, and you know, for, for, for us, you know, we, we love to fish, man, you know, big fish
equals big bags.
Hey, that's my Canadian.
See, so I got a little Canadian in the Arctic.
Um, no, but it's, it's an absolutely beautiful place.
Fourth largest body of fresh water in North America, eighth largest in the world.
Um, we literally drink water out of the lake, just take a cup, scoop it out.
Um, and you know, all the water's just feeding off the glaciers and yeah, man, it's, it's
incredible.
And, you know, at the end of the day, you know, that's what life's about, you know, supporting
and loving and, and, and really helping those around you grow and, and, and enjoying those
moments.
So yeah, that was, that was my takeaway and, and man, I am fired up and ready to get it.
Let's go, bro.
Yeah, man.
It's always good guys.
If you, you know, it's so, you get so caught up in the space, no matter what, what level
or degree you're in.
It's always good to like get outside, even if it's a hundred freaking degrees out and go
for a walk, I mean, just don't forget that you still breathe out here, except for the
next speaker.
He isn't GPT.
Um, what's going on quantum alien and never get grass and kiss back guys.
I'm bullish on, um, you guys, everything you got going on.
I'm bullish on the next bull market.
There's a lot of talk of, uh, what's going on with the sec moving the needle.
Do you think, um, we're still in a bear or do you think we're in a bull?
It doesn't matter.
I mean, we're, we're somewhere and, uh, NFTs are going to probably be one of the last ones
to, to see the cycle, uh, retrace for it and reverse into it, to the, the areas where people
are paying attention to art outside of just collectors right now.
Um, as for like coins, we're seeing a ton of liquidity.
I mean, millions is not a lot now when it really, when it right now, it kind of could
be a lot, but like in the future, when we see a lot of that retail liquidity come back
into the space, uh, it'll, it'll be, it'll be noticeable.
So, I mean, right now is the best time to like prepare and especially with Bitcoin, you
know, the plan B heat map where we're in the, the cool blue stages and the blue stages are
usually, uh, turn into the yellow, turn into the green, to the yells, to the reds.
Uh, and that's when we're hitting like the, the next cycle at a all time high, you just
don't want to be chasing it.
You want to be ahead of it.
And sometimes it's okay to pack bags, you know, and, and sit there and accumulate.
And in this case, it's probably, probably the best because as you see, the SEC is cracking
my bank, just like my bank.
I had like from when I first got into crypto, I put like, I didn't feel like making a hot
wallet.
So I threw some coins into, uh, uh, over time and it was easy just to move money from
like checking into a crypto area.
And yesterday they liquidated half of my bags, like without warning that because they don't
support Solana Cardano and I think Matic anymore.
So like, I didn't have a chance, like they don't give me any chance to move those to any
type of wallets.
They just liquidated my assets, no matter what position or profitability they were in.
And, and that was, that was pretty, like, I mean, for me, it wasn't so alarming, but
I just was like thinking to myself, like, man, just like that, you know, they can take
away your crypto.
So it's, uh, it's important to, uh, position yourself and, and also store it in, in very
safe places.
And that's why decentralized options are so critical, right?
I mean, you know, just, just as a few options, you know, D Y D X, um, games.trade, like
there's all these platforms popping up and many of them offer synthetic assets where
you can get exposure, um, to, you know, things outside of web three, um, in a decentralized
manner.
And it's a super, super powerful tool.
I had a buddy call me yesterday and he's like, Hey man, he's like, I've got a bunch of
money locked up in Celsius.
Like, how do I get it?
And I said, well, before we address that, let's really think about what got us here.
Right?
Like the, the reason that many of us, not all of us, but the, I think the reason that
many of us got into crypto, not necessarily NFTs was for that security, right?
For that decentralization, for a trustless way to, to trade value.
Um, and we really need to stick to those morals.
So when you take those assets and you hand it right back to a centralized exchange, you're
assuming all of that risk back, right?
And, and, and that's exactly what, what's happened.
So we, we have to be diligent and, and we have to understand, you know, the responsibility,
um, and the freedom that we're gifted if we treat these assets properly.
And, and the question that was asked, are we in a bear, are we in a bull?
You know, I think honestly, I mean, technically I would say we've started a new cycle, right?
But, you know, it really comes down to a variety of factors.
But when I look at it, right, I'm looking at the macro ecosystem, right?
Like what, what is going to be the, the driving factors of new liquidity entering into a market
or that liquidity being taken off the board?
We've seen interest rates go through the roof in 2022.
And if you're in the train of thought that interest rates are very close to the top of
this, this, this hiking cycle, then it would make sense, um, that liquidity should, you know,
fairly soon start to really flow into these assets.
Um, you know, another great indicator to watch is the DXY, which is a basket of, of, of dollar
currencies based around the world that gives the value of what the U S dollar trades globally.
And typically speaking, if the DXY is moving up, risk on assets are moving down and vice versa.
All right.
We printed $11 trillion during COVID.
We quadrupled the M1 money supply for anybody that doesn't know what M1 money supply, that
is all the dollars that are in circulation, um, inside of the general public.
Most of that is outside of, of the debt system.
Um, and we, we quadrupled it right in two years.
And what does that tell you for the long-term outlook of the U S dollar?
Um, well, pending a massive deflationary event, which I think could occur through artificial
intelligence and robotics and the price of goods and services decreasing by 50 to 70% over
the next couple of decades.
I think we're sitting in a really good spot.
Go ahead.
I just seen the Biden administration put in through, um, Congress to fund, uh, Ukraine.
I think it's like, you know, few billion dollars he's trying to aid Ukraine.
Right.
And it's like, okay, well, obviously that's some type of, uh, globalist agenda to aid Ukraine
against Russia, BRICS, and China.
And then there's, uh, I guess Russia's going to the moon, building a international space
station with, um, China BRICS.
So I'm thinking there's only two options.
A World War III nuclear fallout scenario where we all die.
Or a global financial system through Bitcoin, WorldCoin, or something like that.
Yes.
I mean, dude, you're going to see a lot of financial systems pop up.
You got WorldCoin, you got Bitcoin as a standard and WorldCoin's out there, you know, scanning
people's eyeballs and then people are lining up.
I mean, fool me once with the vaccine, I'm not fooled again, but, uh, you know, it is
what it is, bro.
I mean, I don't like, I don't care to speculate on anything political because like I already
do enough speculation in crypto and web three, but you know, I know that like mice media in
general has like a decentralized platform.
Maybe it's a better place to ask that type of question or, you know, with people that
are maybe speculated a little bit different.
Um, but you know, speaking of which, like Brent, what's going on with the, I saw you
guys have a name situation.
I think medic was telling me about it.
Uh, dude, am I too late?
Has somebody got crypto Chris G on lock?
No, man, I think you're good.
So yeah, what we did was, uh, the first iteration of our platform is, you know, the individual
profile, right?
Uh, you know, everything from YouTube to Twitter to, you know, whatever social media you use
that, you know, the, the starting point is the individual profile.
And I think, you know, if you, if you look at from a, you know, a decentralized point
of view, if you re-imagine what a profile could be, right.
I think you shed maybe that selfishness of, Hey, I want to keep people on my platform,
everything specific to the platform that we built.
And I want everybody to spend all their time only on my site.
Right.
And you really look at it from a creator's perspective or a community's perspective or
any individual.
Uh, I think you can do quite a lot more to make it, you know, dynamic and value rich.
So, you know, it, rather than just having a profile page, what we put together is a dashboard,
right.
Which serves the same purpose as a traditional profile, but also embraces what you're creating
and what you're doing elsewhere.
You know, I think an outlier in just business, uh, you know, uh, from a, from a valuation perspective
from, uh, you know, is, is what Linktree did over the last few years.
Uh, you know, they, everybody, it's a non-competitive project largely, right.
I don't, there's no household name that's a competitor that people really use that's taken
any market share.
Uh, the offering is pretty fucking simple.
I mean, it's a Linktree.
It doesn't really even have a desktop interface that's attractive and it's a $1.2 billion brand,
uh, just with what they offer right now.
And I think it's because, you know, it, it really leans into what people are doing elsewhere.
It's that one link that you can drive people to, but it's extremely limited.
So we took that spirit of a Linktree where you can really bring everything you're doing
onto one dashboard, make it so that you can operate that dashboard and scroll through and,
you know, learn more about somebody just on that one site.
And the first step for us is to release those to our holders and the creators in web three,
uh, to really have as that one safe place to store everything that they're doing and layering
in features until we get to the, the mice platform, uh, when it's fully released as a social
platform.
But I think it would, from a strategic perspective that there's a, there's a reason that we're
still using the same social media platforms that we've been using in some cases for 20
years, you know, some of the newer ones, I guess, in the last decade or so is because
it's, it's a big ask to create something and then ask somebody to say, Hey, he can, this
can be the best thing since sliced bread, but you know, it's a social platform.
So we're going to require you to really live on this thing, engage with it nonstop post every
day.
So people don't want to do that.
They've already invested time and effort into building their presence elsewhere.
Why are they going to just hop over, even if what you're doing is better.
And I think by leading with dashboard, we're in a unique position because we're asking somebody
to, uh, especially when you go outside of our community to the market, to the, to the
mass market, there's no costs.
We're offering you something better than what you already have.
Uh, there's no barrier to entry.
There's no engagement necessary and there's no upkeep necessary.
And if we provide that value and people use it and they are, you know, integrating their
other social platform.
So it is that one place for them.
Well, then when we release that larger network, we already have that base built in.
They came in from, from a value driven perspective and you know, you build up trust and you build
up dependability by delivering on what you say you're going to do.
And then when it's easy to just migrate what you're doing and also share it on our platform
and you realize that we do it in a way that's more valuable to you than maybe some of these
web to centralized social media platforms.
We're in a unique position because it's almost like we baited them in through value.
Uh, so what we opened up was, uh, people being able to reserve their dashboard handle.
Uh, just like everybody has a handle here on Twitter.
Ours is a little bit different because I think it has more of a share ability to it.
So if you meet somebody out, you're not giving them your cell phone number, your Facebook
profile, your LinkedIn, or your YouTube or whatever, you can give them that one domain
that houses everything that you're doing.
So we thought it was important to, you know, give our community the heads up to be able to
lock down their names first.
Uh, if they want to use their first name, they can do that before the rest of the market.
And then we opened that up to the web three community at large.
So you can still lock down that handle, uh, and then, you know, giddy up for when those
dashboards are released and you can start to use them.
So, man, go ahead and sir.
So I have a, I have a question, uh, for you, uh, since you're in the, in the, the whole media
space.
Um, so we've been seeing a huge, uh, improvement on free speech with, uh, Elon Musk taking over,
uh, Twitter, uh, one of the things, uh, that has, uh, been going through my mind for the
past week.
I just started doing affiliate marketing and just got into content creation about a week
ago and started to, to learn the Instagram, uh, algorithm, uh, for the past week.
And I just had a question about, uh, what you guys plan on doing with your network.
Cause I know that even though we have free speech, there are still things that even if
you have free speech, I like, I can go on Instagram, make an amazing video, but let's
say for example, it's a video on weed, which is illegal in the United States, but it's completely
legal in my country.
Uh, the algorithm won't push it out, even though it's great content, it's a great video
and I'm good at content creation.
The algorithm won't push it out because it's contradicting to whatever the algorithm wants.
So, uh, how do you feel about, uh, free speech, but, uh, to the point where the algorithm won't
push your content if it's not what the algorithm wants?
Uh, do you see a world where we eventually get to an algorithm that pushes out just good content,
regardless of what the content says, even if it's controversial, again, if you're saying
the algorithm doesn't want something or does want something, what does the algorithm want?
So, so the Instagram algorithm, uh, engages with, uh, the more likes you get, the more views
you get, the more time people spend in the video, the better it does, but the algorithm
won't push your video if it's controversial subject.
So if I started talking about, uh, Corona virus, the algorithm won't push out my content.
I can make a great video, but the algorithm won't push it out just cause I'm talking about
something that's controversial.
That like, I want to know mice media.
I want to know what your take is, uh, considering that, uh, like this is in your domain.
Like, what do you think about, uh, would you prefer pain for, for that exposure?
I mean, if, if I have to, I, I've, I haven't used any marketing dollars to, to push out my
videos and I don't plan on it cause if you make good videos, you don't have to use marketing
dollars cause all of the people that, uh, that are doing affiliate marketing with me
don't use marketing dollars and their video go viral just because they make good content.
And that's what you should do.
Just make good content.
Because, you know, you're talking about Instagram and X, a platform that's actually known for
pushing, um, content is Tik TOK.
What's a, I want to hear what mice has to say though, cause it was directed towards like
the platform that they're building and seeing what they're doing about that on their end.
And have you explored Tik TOK's algorithm?
Uh, I'm not big on Tik TOK just because, uh, most of the videos I'm currently making are
about Andrew Tate.
So I can't make videos on Andrew Tate.
They just will ban me.
Um, so no, I, I am against Tik TOK 100%.
Bryn, do you guys, did you hear his question about what, what he was asking?
He might be on a phone call.
I've been talking, man.
I've been talking and wondering why, where, where are my like, you know, hearts and shit.
He couldn't, he couldn't even hear me.
I thought I was saying some profound stuff.
Sorry about that.
I'm used to my space.
I'll leave my mic on.
You got to start over.
Uh, sorry about that.
Uh, so, uh, you know, go on to your question.
I think first of all, the Andrew Tate thing is interesting because we just had a, uh, we
just put a, a teaser up for a debate that we're putting on our platform with, with Andrew
Tate and Tommy Robinson, which would be cool.
I'm heading out to Romania at the end of the month.
Uh, and it was taken down.
Now there is nothing in that teaser aside from the fact that it has Andrew Tate and Tommy
Robinson in it, that would be deemed offensive.
So it is a bit bizarre, right?
And I think there's something to be said about when Elon purchased, uh, or purchased NFT when
Elon purchased, um, Twitter that there was an uptick, right?
I think, I think it was, you know, a net positive.
I think it kind of gave a little fuel.
And I think a lot of that was driven by free speech.
And when you talk about decentralization and talk about, you know, I think right away and
you talk about free speech and it's a decentralized platform and it's not censored, you immediately
think, uh, that it's like, uh, you know, a free for all, right.
Where like, holy shit, this can turn into something crazy.
But I think the market difference between what we're doing and what, uh, uh, kind of a web
to centralized platform is, is it's not that it's not governed.
It's not that it's not moderated.
It's that it's governed, it's governed by a community rather than a corporation.
Right.
So I think there's a lot more logic that's instilled in a lot of those decisions and parameters
when it's not an obscure algorithm that you don't even really know what you're
allowed to do or not allowed to do.
And it's who knows why they're making that decision is because of an advertiser is because
of political pressure.
Who's making the decision is a handful of people.
When you have a larger community, I think it just kind of dilutes maybe some of that
bias that would be baked in or some of the, that obscurity that's baked in when it's just
this kind of, you know, uh, you know, abstract corporation that's making these decisions
behind the scenes.
You don't really know what you're allowed to say and not allowed to say.
Um, so I think, you know, that is the market difference.
Um, but you know, we had a space on Tuesday night, right.
Specifically about censorship.
And what we did was it's a big enough topic and a polarizing enough topic where we split
it into a two part series.
So we brought people on Tuesday night that were, you know, what you would deem, uh, you
know, uh, right wing.
And then next week we leaned into left wing, but when we leaned into right wing, you know,
we brought on guys like, uh, Roger Stone.
Uh, we brought in Tommy Robinson, Laura Loomer, a lot of these people that really pushed that
envelope, all of which had been kicked off platforms before.
And, you know, it's, it's funny what happens is because we have, you know, we have hosts in
the space and listeners in the space that were bracing themselves for just chaos, right?
Like, Holy shit, what's going to be said?
Do I want to be here when it's being said, these people have been deplatformed before
and nothing was said that was, uh, I think offensive to really anybody.
I got no feedback, no DMS about anything that was really stood out.
And when you silence somebody like that, right, let's say you deplatformed them, you shadow
ban them, you take away their account, whatever it is.
I think you give them far more power than if you let them speak and die on their own sword
if they say something negative, not to, not to say that you can go on there and incite
violence, you can do all these different things, but you almost build up that kind of
martyr mentality, or you build up this, like you give them way more power when you start
to, you know, not let people listen to them.
And I think it has a, you know, a counterintuitive effect.
So to me, simply by having our community be a part of that governance, I think it's a much
more logical ecosystem.
I think it lends itself to more free speech.
I think in the moment that free speech is connotated with one political party, but I
think, you know, that pendulum swings, uh, most civil rights, most human rights movements
start with free speech, whether that's women, whether that's a minority group now, maybe
it's the, you know, conservatives that feel disenfranchised in our position, no matter,
you know, where that pendulum swings, we stay in the same position.
And I think we're open to people expressing their ideas and speaking freely.
Awesome, bro.
I really appreciate that explanation.
And I think that, uh, that hit the point on the head.
Um, well, let's start winding down here.
We're about the end of the hour.
Uh, really appreciate, uh, everyone coming into the space and mice dropping some info on
everything that they're doing and go lock in my username after this.
I'm really excited to see your guys' app grow and, uh, as well as the community.
Um, and yeah, man, I hope that, uh, the hope that this, the market sentiment as all of us,
you know, all of us builders, Metatome, mice, and anyone else who's done in this space.
I, I think that the market sentiment should at this point, you know, hopefully only go up.
So it's going to be really interesting to see what happens.
And, you know, with, uh, with D God stirring up the pot, that's, uh, it's bullish overall.
All people are kind of looking again, you know, crypto, what do you call it when, and
you know, it's kind of pulling out of it, but, you know, you were just talking about
baseball a little bit going on a call with, with crypto and what do you call it when the
batter's going up, right?
He's on deck and he has that thing on his bat that makes it heavier.
Is that called something specific?
You know, it's called a donut, but yeah, it's basically just a weight, right?
So you go up there and you swing with that weight.
And so the idea is to, you know, kind of make that bat seem like it's super light in
your hands, right?
So if you go up and swing with something that's heavier, then when you take that donut off,
you get up to the stand, all of a sudden it feels like you're swinging a straw and not
a wooden bat anymore.
Amen.
I think that's what the bear is, right?
And the bear is that donut because the people that are building now are building in a tough
environment.
I think when we get, and I've never been around for a bull, I don't even, I'm not even so sure
I know that they really exist or it's not you guys just telling me it's coming all the
time.
And I think that when, uh, when that bull does come, it's going to feel like the weight of
the world was lifted off a lot of builders and a lot of community shoulders, and it's
just going to be easier.
And I think you're going to have really fucking strong brands that were built, just like
it happens in, happened during the depression or it happens during an economic downturn in
real life.
I think we're going to see it tenfold because the people that built now and stuck around when
it was hard are going to be tough to fucking deal with when, you know, they have a little
wind at their backs.
So, uh, you know, I agree with you, crypto.
I'm hoping for crypto, uh, you're both crypto Jesus.
Uh, um, uh, but I'm, I'm looking forward to that bull, uh, primarily because I don't know
what it feels like.
And it would be great to have a little wind on our backs.
And I think a lot of, uh, you know, a lot of founders out there feel in the same way.
Yeah, bro.
It's, it's really hard to lose money in the bull or you're doing it wrong and you haven't
applied anything you've learned in the last entire year, two years of a
of a winter.
So, all right, guys.
Um, yeah, man, I think we'll definitely have plenty of more conversations before we see
anything near a bull cycle, um, take place.
Uh, we're at the start, we're putting on our shoes, tying up the laces at this point.
So, uh, yeah, thanks.
Uh, thanks for joining Enzo.
Take it away.
You get the final moments and then medic will end with a song.
All right, man.
It's always a pleasure to be able to end these spaces.
Uh, one of the, uh, key things that we should all keep in mind is to constantly work out
our bodies.
I know that we all sit around and web three, we're sitting either on our phones or behind
a computer screen, but a healthy body leads to a healthy mind and it'll help you make
way better decisions inside of web three.
You have to make good, clear decisions with a clear head on your shoulders and, uh, staying
in shape is, uh, a big contributor to that.
So if you guys haven't started a workout routine, just, uh, whenever you wake up, just start
with 10 pushups a day until you can get up to 20, 30, 40, 50, eventually a hundred and
just make that part of your routine.
Just make sure to keep your body and your mental health in check.
Hey, I'm under pressure, underpaid and working overtime.
I mix the pleasure with the pain.
I make it rain tonight.
Ooh, no one said it would be easy.
Ooh, even if you don't believe me, even on my darkest days.
I can knock down, but I just keep my head up.
I got a headache and a heartache, but it's summertime.
I'm running circles, trying to find another finish line.
Plug in that power system, light up that optimism.
Even on my darkest days, I can knock down, but I just keep my head up.
