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Web3 2025: What’s Dead, What’s Next, and What Actually Works
Recorded: Aug. 8, 2025 Duration: 1:08:06Space Recording
Short Summary
The crypto community is witnessing significant trends as Ethereum breaks the $4,000 mark, signaling potential growth in altcoins. However, there's a notable decline in interest in NFTs and meme coins, prompting a shift towards more utility-driven projects. As the industry matures, the demand for compliance-focused leaders is rising, indicating a more structured future for Web3.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Hello Zanna, welcome. Hello everyone.
Hey guys, how are you?
Great, great.
Okay, so we are waiting for others, right?
Just a few minutes
hello hello my bulgarian friend how are you doing
i'm doing well man how are you yeah all good all good i mean
uh just second yeah i have requests okay okie dokie so we have some new requests for speaking uh okay so we are waiting for
okay yan from pink cell he not sure he gonna join and we are waiting only for mike from
from cryptemic and from vasili from swap space
hey guys until we waiting for for them like tell me something good about recent news i i mean i heard
about you know like that trump uh deal with uh 100 i mean with 408 and one retirement plan and we
all got a lot of money like in crypto so what do you think about that
this is good man but what actually i watch right now and what most of the people are are focused on her is the ethereum finally broke 4 000 so let's hope let's hope we'll hope there
over 4 000 so we can finally get this out coin season we are waiting for from
few years already so yeah yeah finally it's you know it's the time you know everyone is waiting yeah i mean uh but what do you think like uh you know really i mean about this retirement plan and
you know about this like 12 trillion uh will we really see that the traction that a lot of people will start to invest in crypto or you don't think so?
I believe we'll see it but not right now, not right at the moment. slowly in the time being maybe in the next one two three years because you know still a lot of
people are skeptic about crypto but i think with the next years this will change because
web3 is booming man web3 is booming and a lot is coming.
And actually, still feels early, actually.
Yeah, yeah.
I think we didn't get retail as well and consumer market.
So once we get that point, I think the market will be really crazy and massive uh for now as I could
see like just imagine guys like only uh 500 projects uh made revenue more than like 100k
last year I mean just 500 projects and how many projects uh were launched like like during this year i mean that's a crazy number i mean it's
so small yeah so i think it's only the start
yeah totally agree so when retailers come yeah this is when the real deal is starting starting yeah yeah definitely definitely i mean uh mike could you uh do you hear us i mean uh i see you joined
mike are you here mike for cryptemic
uh okay no he's still listening i mean his status is listener uh yeah i think mike you should
request like for access like to be a speaker i mean i already uh asked you but i think you
need to approve it like on the right column yes yes yes we can hear okay guys uh yeah thank you for joining yeah
yeah thank you mike for joining us uh okay let me introduce so uh i will i will start to introduce like project one by one uh we have here like revolute danny
from uh crypto revolution masters and he is the best binance ql for 2025
and we have he's a very promising project like power from quantum secure user one layer one blockchain and we'll ask you
later uh we have some questions for you and we have zhanna we have zhanna founder of ya talent
so they recruit the best talents in the network in the space so happy happy to see her and get some answers about hiring uh and young young skip this one young from
pink cell and we have mike we have mike from cryptemic this is like web cream blockchain
academy so uh they built some a lot of courses like to onboard people to web3 and i'm happy
that they're doing that we need more people you know uh yeah so guys uh happy to see you
i mean this friday is you know it's actually very good because it's sometimes difficult to you know
to invite people on friday because everyone has some plans maybe some of you are in the cafe
already on this or on the seaside i'm still on my deck uh desk yeah and I need
to work yeah but happy to see you hero um well guys I think uh um maybe we could start uh with
actually with the interesting topic topic like uh what is actually dead and or dying like uh in web3 so you could see probably like
fashion nfts digital variables you know like some overhyped metaverse platforms or some
speculative defy projects i mean all of i mean a lot of them they are dying so uh guys i have
a question for you like what do you think like what what is
actually dead right now or dying what kind of like trends I mean maybe Danny
you could answer first
yeah so for me personally what is that and what's been that the last maybe one, two years are the NFTs.
Even we saw maybe like two, three weeks ago, I saw some volume speaking in their trading.
I still believe we are far away from making those alive again.
So I think this market is, I mean, it's not going to have good opportunities for people
in the next maybe few months the next one year
and the other thing i believe is also that because i don't see too much traction and i don't see
actually too many projects like these are the gaming projects most of them are also that they've been very popular last bull cycle. We have a lot of good gaming projects, but this year I don't probably I saw just one or two. I mean it's and nobody is delivering good games recently on the market. i don't see almost any good game out there
so yeah this is what i think nfts and gaming projects are dead in web3 for me
yeah i mean totally agree with your point i mean uh it's i i have never i mean i have haven't seen like this year any like promising
uh gaming projects and about like uh nfts i think you know uh maybe once we get that metaverse alive
maybe at that point we're gonna have like you know that nfts like uh bull market you know but until metaverse is not so active and
you know they're only promising and people are not still not using that uh so active i think uh yeah
nfts yeah it's not such a good situation for them yeah thank you thank you danif very good point yeah
uh guys what what do you think i mean about uh he's it you guys i
mean anes or blood because you're building quantum uh you know so i want to hear your point yeah
my point is i 90 agree about nfts but the only like real value that can be right now in nft
like real value that can be right now in nft is uh some items in gaming so maybe like web3 gaming
is not it's not the best like year for it like 2025 but still like these nfts can have real
utility because if you for example buying some i know swords diamonds so any kind of gaming items is still nfts and has kind of utility so it's not
just a useless jpeg image that you can maybe sell or maybe not right and it will drop in price but
if it's like real utility behind so nft could could be kind of useful but if we speak about what is fading and it's kind of like my personal pain so it's
all these hype circles uh bump and dump meme coins with zero value so i think like people
really tired of it from like 2024 in each like 2025 so these projects can still have like five minutes spotlight, but they're, I think it's not, not, not fooling anyone for long for, uh, the second half of, uh, 2025.
And the same about the value, I think about meta versus.
So it's, it's kind of dead because like everybody was hyped.
It was like Nike store, like Snoop Dogg house or something or something but i don't have like any friends
or people in the community who are still uh using metaverse or like even speak about it
so that is my point yeah nfts meme points and metaverse are fading
yeah i mean i agree i would like maybe to add to some telegram games you know by the way any of you
have is any of you like uh like hamster x og or something like that yeah totally agree with i mean
with telegram yeah there was so many games mini games like on Telegram, but yeah, probably I think Danny was using
something like that.
Not sure about it.
Danny, are you into Gamify or Telegram mini apps or do you think it's that already?
You know, Telegram mini apps were very famous maybe last year you saw what's happened with
docs with not coin i mean they boom after the launch and they have millions of users on telegram
but right now this year no no there is uh uh nothing very interesting on telegram like
uh nothing very interesting on telegram like and it's not i don't know it's not uh getting
any traction at the moment i don't know in the future maybe yes again but now no
yeah yeah i mean i agree i don't know uh how they gonna you know uh convert that traffic i mean is
it already dead uh you know those people those farmers who was only
like clicking for you know and uh what do you think like uh should we somehow you know use
those people like i don't know maybe for education or uh maybe we need to adopt them to web3 better
maybe mike from cryptemic what do you think like uh is is there
any chance that uh we could on board those people who who are using like telegram mini apps like
and on board them to web3 uh or you think that traffic is already dead and there is no chance
there is no chance
uh mike mike do you hear us yeah you just need to click the button uh of your mic
uh of course yes
so what do you think like is there any chance like to adopt those people like
uh and educate them about web 3 or you think it's always that um so uh onboarding uh web
two projects uh in web 3 is not an easy task uh and while it is entirely possible, it requires time, resources, and significant changes in business approaches and technologies.
And I see some key points to consider.
First of all, it's technical and infrastructure differences.
it's uh uh technical and infrastructure differences uh so web2 projects operate on
centralized systems where data is stored on servers controlled by a single organization
oh sorry mike no sorry mike to interrupt you i mean uh i asked about you know this those telegram
minigames like there were so many traffic you know like uh those not
coin uh dogs and others so what do you think like uh is there any chance uh is there any chance like
you know to convert them uh and on board them i don't know to exchanges and educate them to
about web3 or you don't think so um I don't think so uh because um um because uh uh tap
turn apps and meme coins uh um which one seemed like a cool idea are pretty much uh on live support or so but here's the truth these apps just didn't stand the test of time and why
I think because monetizing this model without real a real value is tough and the result
often boils down to just a few cents for a minute's worth of work and by 2025 most of these projects
have faded away and they've been replaced by more sustainable and available models
that actually provide something meaningful for users
yeah I mean I understand yeah I mean yeah for me uh it's already dead but uh it's kind of sad
because uh I think uh that we could use uh you know that hype like better and uh we could educate
more people like uh and adopt more people you know but, it's a bit sad, but that's true, I think.
Yeah, okay, okay.
Thank you, Mike.
Thank you, Mike, for your answer.
Yeah, Vlad has a question from Kizitiv.
Yeah, yeah.
So I think that's why, like, Telegram gaming is dead right now.
So because the games on Telegram, like, their first points is to make money so that's
what i think so nobody thinking about like good gameplay or interesting mechanics in gaming so
we see that the main points is uh bring tokens make a tg make money and that's it so i think
that's the whole hype and strategy behind like Telegram gaming was wrong.
So that's probably why it goes this way.
Because it's really, as Mike said before, it's not interesting to play Telegram games.
Yeah, I agree.
I mean, there should be better strategy mechanics.
Yeah, better gaming experience
yeah definitely we need something you know maybe more from web too uh and this is like the first step yeah but after you click uh maybe for for for me it was i don't know maybe the most interesting
catism uh that was that wasn't so bad but others were you very simple and kind of boring for me.
Exactly, exactly.
Yeah, okay.
Guys, I would like to add for those who are familiar with game theory, and Naval Ravikant talks a lot about this.
So he always explained that in this market we have two kind of players who like to play finite
and infinite games and i believe with telegram games it's just you know quick money quick success
without bringing some kind of value to the ecosystem educating people because the final
goal is to make more money or let's say to promote the token so it's more like shortcuts
um and i guess it's why we have this reality that now it's not booming
yeah yeah yeah jana you're you're you're right i mean definitely definitely true
yeah i think like um there should be you know some some any like way how we can make it better uh so that that was a
hype but i think maybe long term we could do something but i think it's up on uh tone ecosystem
as well because they you know they don't have a big tvl uh but they have so many apps and I think they should use it.
Yeah. Okay.
Zana, by the way, I wanted to ask you, like, I mean, what do you think about current trends?
Like what are the most important qualities like
for web 3 leaders for hiring?
I mean, because the market is changing all the time.
And what is like, what do you think is the most important for web tree leaders if they
want to be hired?
So in general, if you talk about this year, we didn't receive many requests from, let's
say, NFT projects or some very risky DeFi projects who are putting unrealistic returns.
But we see very good demand for leaders,
let's say, who are good with stable coins,
who are good with compliance because all this U.S. story.
And I'm actually very happy that Web3 industry
and crypto industry
is becoming more regulated
and we have huge demand for
people from Web2 space
mostly for leadership roles who would
like to move to Web3
so I believe next year we will
see that Web3 and crypto will
be less messy
we will see more regulations and I'm
very happy about this
so I am like very bullish
uh yeah i got your point i mean uh but for example uh i'm very curious like uh
if uh if you like have a into have an interview or your colleague from your company uh what is like
the most uh i don't know maybe the most bullish thing uh about candidates uh uh so they could be
a right fit for you know promising web tree leader i mean it should be someone someone who is very ambitious and trading as well and DGEN in free time.
What do you think about that?
When I talk to founders, I always mention to them that they should skip CV.
I know it sounds strange in the recruitment industry, but this is the reality.
Because some people, they can sell themselves very well
with chat gpt and even those fake interviews so i always suggest to follow those qualities
let's say ownership approach that means the guy should be proactive you can't motivate the guy
if he doesn't like job or if he's just not motivated by himself. You will need to put a lot of micromanagement.
Then it should be someone who has a lot of energy.
You know, sometimes you meet people who are like,
you just feel you're losing your energy.
And it's applying in life, same in work.
So this guy should have some kind of spark
and think not only about work, has some hobbies.
Because I believe if someone without not only about work, has some hobbies because I believe if
someone without hobbies and only
work, you know, he can't
survive bad market because he will not
have any kind of support system, let's
say friends, family,
hobbies, etc.
Then it should be someone
with good integrity.
I'm a very big follower
of Naval, Warren Buffett.
They say the same.
Whenever you're looking for partner or employees,
you always need to focus on integrity,
intelligent and energy.
Because if you have just, let's say,
intelligent and energy,
but the guy is not honest, he will ditch you.
And we saw a lot of very smart people
with high energy in Web3 and crypto,
but who scam a lot of people.
Then what else?
Someone who is curious
and like to ask questions.
But first of all, to find solution
and then ask question.
Yeah.
So for you, number one is the energy, right? and then ask questions. Yeah.
So for you, like the number one is the energy, right?
Yes, because I'm not sure if you know about my background.
For the last four years, I am very into Indian culture, meditation, yoga.
So, and I found the way how I can integrate this in recruitment.
And now I am not checking just CV.
I always see if, you know, if his energy is good.
I know maybe it sounds like what is happening.
But actually you can feel this during interview.
Because people, they can fake numbers.
They can, you know, just sell very well.
But I am very good with meditation.
So I feel like my intuition is well. And I also teach my team how they can you know just sell very well but I am very good with meditation so I feel like my intuition
is well and I also teach my team how they can how they can identify if the guy is you know
not honest if he will be bringing some kind of value to the project because recruitment services
are not cheap for projects and we try you know to make this as cheap as possible but
still i don't want our clients you know to overpay and then they will lose candidates because it
doesn't make sense i always try to focus to make it as cheap as possible and also to make sure that
this guy will be working inside company for a few years and he can reach to leadership team so someone who has ownership
approach someone who is you know let's say if marketing guy join your project uh he should not
ask you oh can you buy me canva can you buy me notion and other tools like a lot of tools because
then he's not bringing value he He should have this ownership mindset,
like how I can save money for the company.
So I think you guys need to have this kind of people for projects.
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I agree.
I mean, that's also important.
It depends, like, if that tech guy, you know,
like someone who is in IT and that guy is really good in
back end and but he doesn't have like any social skills okay i mean i'm fine with that the most
important that he delivers his job yeah but for example if someone is representing the company
you know like especially these times i think that person definitely should have you know like good energy good vibe but also to be you know like uh very curious like to try some new things like uh
maybe if you see like uh any like new product uh you should try it so you can test it by yourself
you know because i saw some people who are are like representing the big exchanges and they don't know even their products.
They are trying only to sell you, you know.
And when I ask them about the products, they are like, oh, you need to ask our team.
We can make a group, you know.
That's not a thing.
That's not the way how we do that.
Yeah.
Yeah. Thank you very much, John for for this answer yeah i appreciate that uh yeah guys okay we can maybe uh move to the other
topic like about uh what is actual next uh because i think it's very hard like this summer to recognize uh like the good narratives and i i was attending like
many conferences i guess like danny uh he was also like a speaker or attending many conferences and
maybe danny uh what do you think like what is like next maybe you have heard something on conferences or you uh checked something on the
web like uh what is like the next big narrative and narrative and trend for maybe this next year
actually you know man i don't go to many conferences it's uh this uh yeah this one we met in albania was like my fourth one i mean i go oh yeah yeah
i'm not the guy who is going there is a lot of people actually i know who are going to all of
these conferences and they they go like 10 15 conferences every year no i do maybe one or two during the year maximum two yeah i mean that's
not that's not i mean if you are not working in bd you know like that's not important like
uh but uh you probably know more trends maybe than us because you're like the biggest ql on
binance square and uh when someone steps to the
buy dance is already big you know they have some money so maybe you know any like promising projects
or some trends that we would like to mention you know it's uh it question. It's a hard question to answer because I don't see any bullish narrative to follow. all these memes, mania, I can say it was mania because after Trump token there was thousands of memes tokens that they followed and then some big scams happened like Libra, you know.
So right now in the summer, I don't know, just everyone is expecting August to be good for the altcoins.
About the narrative, maybe, I don't know, maybe, say man because it's not uh it's not narrative to follow
for me i don't see any narrative at the moment any good one yeah i mean i agree that it's difficult
to define what like what is uh i can't say like we have the narrative like number one that everyone is bullish on because we have so many
trends like recent years and it's like rwa like deb pin and infrastructure and you know like a lot
of l1s and l2s and for me i mean uh i'm a bit bullish like about monad i mean monad is uh you know something maybe that could
change the market a bit because it's like combined solana theorem you know so uh but
i don't see like the number one like narrative uh it's like more for me you know someone is in
bullish on i don't know maybe rwas maybe some vcs uh and actually
vcs they are very disappointed you know for this cycle they expected more money and they failed a
lot so they don't invest a lot i was attending some you know some shark tank like but in web3
and yeah i saw that all all those guys they're pitching some new ideas but it's hard to you know
hard to raise some money so I think yeah it's for me no it's not any narrative like number one for
this year maybe I don't know maybe Vlad from from uh he could say something because he's building something that i
understand a bit but not sure if i'm not if i'm a good person to answer about
computer like l1 and quantum secure yeah what i see at the moment in the industry in general that's it's
becoming more and more serious after as I as I said like hypes meme coins nfts everything so
everything is fading I mean the the hype is fading and the whole infrastructure like web3
blockchain crypto it becomes more and more serious and as
we see with the institutions with the like from the legal side so I think that's only serious
players are still in the game right and only like real world use cases can still stay in web 3. And I think at the moment, if you don't have like big hype,
the main thing behind the project should be
is the utility from day one.
So tokens that power real ecosystems,
like protocols that solve real problems
and tools that makes like onboarding very easy,
painless and be good for the next, I don't know,
maybe millions or even like billion users, right?
And yeah, at Hesitif, we exactly like on this step,
on this way, so we're building a secure,
quantum resistance, scalable infrastructure.
And that's why I think that is the main foundation is to be future proof
and that's i think the next trend to be future proof not to be like having only five minute
highlights on twitter or somewhere else on on the industry yeah I mean yeah you're right there there
should be you know some utilities like and we see like with this trend like
only big players are still in the market like and making some revenue but others
like even some my friends founders they raised some money like like 5 10
million like a few years ago but uh i don't see any traction right now for them like uh it's uh
i mean uh it's difficult uh because they expected maybe different market but also uh we don't see you know we see like uh this market and
generally like folks in web3 that okay maybe they are all bullish on technology they'll
they uh i don't know maybe they are uh crypto anarchists or they want you know uh to be
decentralized and blah blah blah, blah.
But I see, like, from this year, it's definitely true that most of those people are just gamblers and they want to flip some meme coins, make some cash and, yeah, to retire young.
Yeah, I mean, I also want to retire young.
Yeah, but I'm also, you know, like, bullish on web tree and technology.
i i'm also you know like bullish on battery and technology so uh yeah but i think uh we need
something real like uh maybe metaverse at some point when it is going to be live maybe it will
change the market uh and maybe that will be a good point where when we will see like something uh that is actually providing some utility and for gamers
and uh we'll see like the nft boom or something but for now yeah i see like only uh defy projects
they're making some money and others maybe what do you think like about digital identities I don't know maybe have you met
some projects like digital identities uh I had I heard about one project like digital identities
for animals and there is a lot of cash so yeah I'm not sure, is that something good maybe, or is just, you know, the passing trend?
What do you think, like, Danny, about digital identities?
Could you repeat, please, the question?
I mean, what do you think about digital identities?
I mean, there was some trend, you know, like about digital identities.
I have even heard about projects for animals, digital identities for animals.
So, yeah, I don't know what you think about that trend.
Hmm, maybe, maybe it will be a good trend because actually,'s about maybe to be the biggest thing
our generation actually will face because it's just starting you know you
can imagine the next five ten fifteen years what will follow with the ai so uh and uh with the ai going crazy i mean these digital identities
yeah they can be good narrative actually
yeah so you're saying like uh it's a good narrative right
i believe yeah i mean uh i believe so they can be good narrative
i mean at the moment i don't see uh so much uh you know content about them but in the future
you never know yeah yeah we have one request to be a speaker from blocky whales
He's also binance
As I can see what what would you like? Okay, he disappeared. Maybe that was a scam
Okay, I
Mean I don't saw you know like that guy has like 400k followers, but I didn't check the content.
I was like, okay, maybe he has something interesting to ask.
But yeah, just scam.
Like always in Web3.
Pasha, I have some comment on digitalized identity and privacy.
So I see it's growing, but like very, very slow. I have a friend,
he lives in Dubai, a Polish guy, his name is Marcin, and he builds one startup called
Imperia. So they work with World Economic Forum and a lot with Saudi government. But
from his experience, actually, it's very, very tough to raise money for this kind of project.
And even to build tech, it takes so much time and developers are very expensive.
And, you know, if you're building something long term and you're not able to raise money, like, for sure, it will be not a big adoption of those projects.
But I know it's very popular in M mostly saudi and in swiss ecosystem so i'm very
bullish on this use case because it will solve a lot of problems in recruitment as well and even in
let's say up work sometimes they use a similar use case to this one but it's more like reputation
system that we have let's say in uber karim
uh so i was talking to him he was saying that sometimes we give them like two options
uh because to build this kind of tech is very tough
yeah yeah i mean yeah i'm not like developer but uh yeah it's probably very tough yeah and you need more money like
if you want to build it properly and i don't know maybe uh you have you have heard about any project
that was uh bootstrapping and now it's like uh very successful except of pump.fun and
um that fun and and I don't know maybe you have any guys idea like about the project uh that is
uh that was something like you know like uh one man team but uh later it raised like a lot of
money and became like the huge project do you have any project in mind like maybe jana or danny or mike a lot
i feel this uh beer market is killing a lot of projects um
just because what i found like for very ethical founder is tough to raise money and also to scale
this in bad market uh and for non-ethical it's very easy to scam money and also to scale this in bad market.
And for non-ethical, it's very easy to scam people,
you know, to make token, then to restructure the token.
So I know some projects from SUI ecosystem, for example, like Drive. I know for them it's very challenging now
because even if you have some very small revenue
and you need to raise again money even in
this market it's still very tough to raise uh but because founder is amazing her name is firdosh
so she's still trying and they have some kind of grants from sui ecosystem because firdosh she was
starting from scratch and now project is five years old.
But because they have... So this project kind of Uber in blockchain.
In Dubai for them is very tough to scale because we have Karim, Uber.
Let's say if she will put, for example, 1 million USD in six months for marketing.
Uber and Karim, although it's the same company, they will put this money in one day.
karim although it's the same company they will put this money in one day uh so she has one
competitor in the us uh that raised a lot of money uh but in uh uh february 2025 this project decided
like to close operations and we don't know the reason because they had money so maybe big players are playing hard yeah yeah i mean i agree there are you know there are competitors from web too they have
a lot of cash and yeah it's difficult to compete them uh and like the budget like one million even
like five or ten i mean i know and i met some uh foundations even uh they have raised like
10 years ago like around i don't know like 50 million uh and i was i asked them like guys so
it passed like 10 years so what what you built they said like oh we made nft collection and we do some
researches you know but uh you know like with 50 million uh it's a bit disappointing you know
you expect that they will build something unique something you know crazy uh but yeah I mean that's that's true true and also a big challenge for all founders
web 2 web 3 it's burnout because you can't build project let's say even two co-founders is very
tough you're raising money then you have this covid like a lot of stuff so like for sure they need to do some meditation that work to be able to survive
yeah yeah i mean uh by the way that's actually interesting question i mean
how do you fight with your burnout i mean maybe some of you drink more or some of you run or
meditate like i don't know guys so Jana is meditating
right so you are more spiritual and yeah I don't feel like zero stress okay okay
I I like that pipe I mean I have also tried to meditate but i'm not so good in my discipline of meditating so
yeah i do that occasionally but it helps for me yeah uh guys denny what how do you how do you
actually uh fight with that burnout and what actually you do for that do you drink more beer or you like to
go to the restaurant uh i mean what you do after uh like so so many calls or doing some
content do you have any tricks for us
tricks for us?
This is an interesting question actually.
Because you know I'm doing this already
five years and sometimes
it's getting crazy. But actually
you know I still
take this as my hobby, actually.
I relax through this thing.
I mean, I don't think I don't need to get off from this
because this is my relaxing, like being on socials,
doing content and being in crypto.
But yeah, outside of this, the regular thing everyone is doing going
to vacation sometimes watching movies reading books and all of this i have also dogs i have to uh every day i spent with them maybe three hours of my day uh with my talks so uh they are good
thing to like you can you know chill with them and don't think for anything else
yeah yeah i agree i mean animals i mean doesn't matter dogs or any other animal, but yeah, it's something different.
You know, I had a dog, like I had a boxer and when you just go for a walk, it's totally, you know, you just see that cute face like that is actually not worried about anything.
And it's feeling like, okay okay why i should stress myself so
much if there is more joy in the world like look at this dog he's just running and he's happy you
know so maybe i need to be happy as well yeah so i agree that that's actually very very good
and yeah you are true djian you you know you know i'm like you like uh when i have a lot of work uh
i mean i try to meditate yeah i do work out a lot but uh sometimes i i'm just you know uh trying to
relax with discord uh talking with someone about you know some web3 stuff and playing some stupid games on discord like yeah uh you need to be
in the space uh if you want to be long term uh you need to love it i think because otherwise
if you just work here uh and you want to spend exactly like few hours that's not gonna work long term yeah uh mike mike what do you think like uh what actually what do
you do actually like uh do you like to go i don't know maybe running or you have any other after the long week uh Mikey Mikey is here or maybe what yeah what oh Mike okay okay
Mike you can start go on I prefer prefer to go to gym sometimes and drink some beer.
Oh, finally, finally someone said that, you know, everyone is like, oh, I'm meditating,
going with some dogs, you know, finally Mike said the truth, you know, one beer and help
you.
Okay.
Yeah.
No, I'm.
Yes.
Of course. Not every, not every day. Meet my friends, maybe.
Yeah, yeah, I mean...
And of course, play some games. Some old school games.
Oh, old school games. Okay. Do you play some, I don't know, Call of Duty or like Counter Strike?
uh call of duty or like counter strike yes i prefer call of duty gta by city maybe uh you
heard about my city next gen edition and of course yeah yeah it's my favorite oh max pain
actually that uh broke my heart yeah uh that story is crazy. Yeah. I appreciate that. Yeah.
Games actually, they help.
Thanks, Mike.
Thanks, Mike.
Yeah, Vlad.
A few days ago.
Sorry, sorry.
Yeah.
Yeah.
A few days ago, I just tried a new activity for me.
It was subboard.
And I was cruising near my city on sub board with my friends it was
very very freaking for me because i i i i can't swim okay okay you are brave it was really extreme
yeah yeah he was uh fighting for your life on that sub yeah nice size
okay okay i i see some gamers here i'm happy uh okay what Vlad, maybe you could...
Yeah.
I just saw some YouTube video or something, and there was a Japanese guy, and his meditation
was cleaning the apartments.
And so he just take all the stuff, and when he's cleaning, he's relaxing. So it's a kind of form of that's you put your mind on, I know like only one
activity and you have a kind of peace of mind because you're thinking only about
like how to wash the floor or how to work in the garden.
So this kind of like, I know doing some stuff with plants, with flowers.
So it's a kind of meditation as well.
And as you said, like walking with the dog,
I think it's kind of meditation as well,
because you're focusing on something that not disturb you at the moment.
And you, you just get some peace of mind.
And for the last years, I also,
so I switch off notifications after, after hours all the the time so it's like the phone is always on
silent mode so that's that really helps and even i don't know why i just finished listening music
so when i'm i know driving or um in a taxi so just looking at the window like have like zero
noises around and just trying to think about don't think about anything at the moment, like have like zero noises around and just try to think about,
don't think about anything at the moment.
And so these like silent moments in your head,
it's really helps you to be more focused
when you're trying to produce something at your project.
So that's a good thing,
just to give you some kind of um digital detox i would say
and yeah also what what more activity i opened for myself so after moving moving to dubai like
two years ago so i started playing football with the guys so i didn't play football from like 12
or like 13 years old when i was really young so i didn't play for 20 years i didn't play at all
and it kind of like doing this like every week for the last two years you also see some kind
of improvements in your skills and it's also yeah gives you some kind of not meditation but some some kind of peace of mind yeah I mean I agree agree
agree I mean especially agree with that point of you know trying to be you know
like less less active and to be maybe sometimes make it detox like with the
social media and everything it really helps for me as well
yeah because playing football it brings you i know like when you was really young and you
was enjoying like very basic stuff and it was the same when i rented a bike so i didn't drive
a bicycle for roughly like 15 or 20 years also and when i just jumped on it and started driving it
was real like pure fun and i didn't feel like this fun for a very long time so i think some
kind of activities that you had like when like in your childhood even this could be arts i don't
know music everything i think when you go back to to the
roots it really helps you to get some kind of pure pleasure from from your activity
yeah yeah i mean that's true that's that works also for me i mean uh and i think like uh
for me i mean uh and i think like uh i think there should be a balance guys i think you know
uh there you don't need to like uh just to be uh only like healthy all the time or
you don't need like to meditate all the time you don't need every single the time you just need to have a good balance and i think that's the key point so sometimes yeah mostly i like
i'm also i like to work out like boxing running uh meditate but yeah when i when i have like the
good opportunity maybe to have one bill like with my friend and just to uh avoid social media yeah i do that as well so i
think uh that's the key point yeah so i think there is no any strict secret sauce i was just
curious like uh to meet you more like to know maybe something more about you guys uh because
you're all like very active and busy and it was interesting for me like what helps for you
you know sorry to interrupt you you know it depends how you feel because you know you saw
me how actually i'm i can say i'm fat but i feel okay i mean mean, I feel good. I used to do a lot of sports.
I used to train because I used to live in America for a long time.
And for a few years, I was crazy about fitness.
I did boxing.
I did all of these things.
I was addicted to it, you know.
And it was good.
Sport is good.
I mean, it's always good to do sport
because it's changing how you think in a better way.
So if someone can do sport, yeah, it's a good thing.
But it depends how you feel.
I mean, right now, at the moment, my sport is crypto.
I mean, yeah, for a lot of people, it's so healthy to spend a lot of hours in front of the screen.
But, man, it's all in your head.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree.
I mean, especially about, you know know this going crazy with something you know like
to be very active so i had some phases and when i was fat uh i was crazy about food then i had
phases when i was very crazy about sports so i was doing like workout six seven times per week and i think uh
when you do something like uh you should uh understand like uh what is like the end goal
and if i mean understand if you're preparing yourself for the uh i don't know for the boxing
match or something but if you are just you know uh if you are too bullish on something uh
you should love it otherwise you just burn out and and I I was fat again but when I found the
balance uh when I started to just eat properly and just eat uh sometimes what I like and do work out.
Yeah, now I feel that balance and I don't need, you know, to work out so much because I don't eat so much like every day, just on Friday.
Yeah, guys.
Yeah, it was...
Yeah, Vlad, you have...
Yeah, I just wanted to say that even for your lifestyle, you should have a road, man.
Yeah, yeah, you have... Yeah, yeah, I just wanted to say that even for your lifestyle, you should have a road, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
It kind of, as you said, if you have some kind of final, if you want to do boxing competition or something, yes.
When you have a strict plan and you follow it, it gives you much more enjoyment than just randomly occasionally uh going to the gym or maybe
like having diets or something yeah when you have the main purpose the main goal and
you see the improvements of course it motivates you much more
yeah yeah that's that's true that's a good point
uh mike yeah you're active for...
Totally, totally agree with you, Pavel.
Without balance, we're just spinning our wheels.
We all know how it goes.
Work takes over, tasks keep peeling up,
and before you know it, it feels like the whole world is waiting for us to finish it all.
But here's the thing, we can't forget about ourselves.
As they say, if you don't take care of your body, your mind won't be in top shape either.
We get caught up in career races, forgetting that a healthy body is not just about uh looking good but feeling good
and thinking thinking clearly uh if you're not uh if you're not working out your only physical
activity uh becomes chasing deadlines uh so guys uh don't wait until your body just pushes through
don't wait until your body just pushes through to the end of the week you've got to get up from
the desk and stretch a bit and personally i try not to not only to communicate with my computer
but also with my dumbbells as the old saying goes health isn't everything but without it everything else is nothing you can work without
exhaustion and burnout if you take breaks for rest not just to collapse on the couch or with pizza and we we must uh we must think about our our mind uh not too deep deep inside uh
the big depression uh and uh and also
yeah yeah yeah yeah i mean that's true that's true uh sorry guys we have one person that was waiting
for almost one hour uh to speak i sorry i didn't see you uh like neha you are i see that you are
learning about trading uh you want something to add? Because we're going to finish our call soon.
Yeah, I just wanted to.
Hi, first of all, I am in the Web3 space for like a year.
I'm learning about Web3 as well.
And I just wanted to add in the meditation part.
Like I've been doing mindful meditation,
basically guided meditation by Vishen Lakhiani he's the CEO of
Mindvalley and you know it has helped me a lot in making my life better so like there is like
six phases of it firstly you know you it makes you think of your consciousness then uh everyone you're grateful for and then
removing all the negative feelings uh for anyone that you have you know it clears up uh our you
know the negative stuff in our mind uh a lot and then you think about your best day and how are you gonna how you're gonna achieve that in three
years because uh it's easier uh to achieve a goal in three years than like a year and then finally
you pray to some bigger entity like for muslims we have allah and for like um everyone has like
they're a different you know bigger entity So it has helped me a lot.
And secondly, I agree to the guy who was saying that, you know, do something that brings your, you know, childhood memories.
Because I remember I love listening to Taylor Swift.
So it gives me a lot of joy.
And, you know, whenever I feel burned out so I listen to Taylor Swift so uh you know that
makes me you know feel active again and whenever I'm sad I just you know paint I paint a lot I've
done a lot of acrylic paintings and calligraphies so uh I just wanted to add that and yeah it was a really you know helpful and uh knowledgeable
talk that you guys did and i'm glad to be a part of it oh thank you thank you very much thank you
so much very very very nice from you yeah uh yeah i i do that also uh so guys i want to thank you
don't want to uh hold you here like for the whole day
I just want to say like
I'm very glad always to speak
with folks from Web3 because
you're so interesting and different
and you have so many activities
minds and you are creative
ambitious so yeah I think
we're gonna make space again
so I just want to wish you a great weekend
and spend this summer as best as you can.
Great. Thank you, guys.
I also think, you know, Pavel, what I think,
maybe the next topic would be like the good one,
some kind maybe like burnout life hacks.
I think that could be useful for for for
people to learn yeah that's even to share narrative yeah because it's like from uh
production from business we just go down to to lifestyle so i think it could be
like a good topic for the next one I can suggest
some speakers and also on a side
note every Monday
in our Telegram group we have free
yoga and meditation sessions for
Web3Fox, we do this for the last six
months
that's so good
I will connect you with all guys
we'll send you hi
because I like
I like your mindset and also I will connect you with all guys. I will send you hi. Yeah, please.
I like your mindset.
And also, whoever in Dubai would like to catch up in person.
Yeah, great.
Thank you, Jana.
I'll definitely join you.
Thank you all.
And I believe with the next topic, you guys talking for the next topic,
and you mentioned conferences, man. It's a lot of people actually don't know what to do in these conferences and how to get the best of it i believe
could this can be a good topic to talk because uh conferences are not only to go to listen
to speakers and to because most of them are boring if we have to be honest
yeah but it's another topic to talk about it yeah yeah thank you thank you very good point yeah yeah
i think we should do something like that because many of them they don't know how to socialize
there and we met actually on site event and we were drinking wine i think yeah that's that's true
okay yeah okay guys that was very nice to hear all of you we're gonna make those two topics next
and have a nice weekend uh mike yes yes yeah i'd like to thank you the organizers so for the fantastic opportunity to meet such uh inspiring
people from the web free space uh it's only a chance it's not only a chance uh to broaden my
horizons uh but also to hear fresh perspectives and ideas that make this sector so exciting and it's always valuable to exchange
my thoughts with those who are actively shaping the future of technology and i think that especially world in 2025 when we are all living at such a fast peace incorporating activities like yoga
into our daily routine can be incredibly beneficial it's a great way to support both
physical and mental health thank you all thank you for organizing such an event that not only sparks
ideas but but also brings together like like-minded individuals thank you guys have a nice day thank
you thank you guys bye bye have a nice day bye bye thank you bye bye
