All right, kiddie everyone hey guess what this space is recorded
Oh my god winning already huge win guys last week
We did a space and this guy forgot to press the record button. Yep, uh, huge l but this this space
I feel like it's like I woke up and like on the right side of the bed, you know, like when you wake up
I don't know if you've all seen that video on instagram and like the sergeant basically goes he's like up on stage
And he's giving some speech about like here's how to start your day off, right?
You're gonna make your bed
And the reason why is because when you make your bed you start off on a good note
It sets the tone for the rest of the day and you even if you have a bad day and you come back home
You look at your bed and you know that you've accomplished at least one thing in that day
And I feel like that's what hitting the record space button did for me this evening. Uh, so yeah guys
Welcome to web 3 buzz yet another week
Today's topic is gaming infrastructure
Uh, we'd like to welcome my host ex co-host. Uh, I believe it's jeff behind the account. G'day jeff
Uh, yeah guys we're in for a good one today. Uh, love seeing that there's some new speakers here
I love seeing that we've got some uh
Uh recurring speakers as well. I I believe jordan's been here before he's a legend. He's building like a cool
Uh, no, was it runescape? Yeah, it's like a runescape like game if I remember veina guys killing it. Uh, when 500 mil market cap
Uh ruby i'm not sure if i've seen you before but this as for the rest of them yet. Welcome. Oh, hang on
Wait, I can't forget. Uh mickel. Yes. Hello again. Uh, all right, so
Guys today, uh super exciting space. I'm actually just trying to get my questions up. Here we go. All right
So, uh, oh wait for a second jeff. Oh, sorry. It's not jeff. It's fred behind the account this guy
Uh fred what I need to do is figure out if we're gonna let the other guys up
Okay, this is what we do. I've got the best idea
Uh, jordan, are you cool to co-host with us so that we can just let some more speakers up so we can actually max max it out
Uh, awesome. I'm gonna send you that right now invite us co-host bear with us everyone
Uh, this way we can just get more speakers up and it's a lot easier
Easy easy easy. All right
Go ahead and let any of the other speakers up as well
Uh, and then what we'll do is we'll do a round of intros guys
Keep this really short your name the project that you're representing try to keep it in like a few sentences and we can just kind of
Move around the room. Uh, we'll start with actually i'll get it started. My name is blake
I'm the head of web3 gaming for a project called gaming
We're the world's largest source of decentralized gpu's the biggest deepening player in the world for gpu's and uh, yeah
Super excited to host this space with you guys. Uh, jordan you go next brother
Yeah, what's up co-host of the game in twitter space jordan here?
Uh, I just made my bed, dude. You inspired me. So thank you for that. I'm building eureka
Um, eureka is a game of 1850s
Uh continent sized colonization
Where you play in photorealistic first person and build an entire country with the other players from the ground up on a big empty
Let's go all right our next is peter pandem
Hello everyone. I'm peter. I'm a builder at nouns e-sports. We're an e-sports team, uh funded by nouns now
Hey, we've uh, we versed each other at the ti dota 2
Uh last year. Hey, that was a that was actually like a really cool
Uh tournament we did get these in the end
But guys we were actually super stoked to be able to do a collab with you prior to the game. That was epic
Uh, you know, I love seeing other people in the space that are also doing e-sports. Uh mikel go for it
Hey, good to see you guys again. Thanks for the invite. I am mikel from sedona
We are a platform as a service for developers looking to launch and scale a web3 game
And I am also an advisor at the crypto recruiters
So happy to help with anybody's hiring needs as well and thrilled to be here guys. I'm excited to talk about infrastructure
I'm very passionate about it
Epic all right vena go for it
Gm thanks for having us back. My name is travis over at venaar. Um,
Perfect topic for us gaming infrastructure because that is in our blood
We are web3 for the billions of consumers in the entertainment space and we have mainstream adoption in our dna
And infrastructure is you know, write up our pipeline and uh, i'm really excited to get into this space
Also happy it's recorded because I know we had that like huge top secret alpha
Um last week that wasn't recorded that we're not supposed to talk about so I won't get into that
But it'll be nice for others this week
He who must not be named that's exactly right vena. All right, uh gentso meta go for it
Hey guys novaro here from gentso kishi
I'm looking after the global communications and business development and for those of you that haven't checked out gentso yet
Please make sure you do. Uh, it is a 15 year old 3d mmorpg coming from japan
Thank you for having us today
Welcome gentso, uh, we've also got game of silks
Gm guys, uh, this is ean from game of silks. We are the
premier tokenized thoroughbred horse racing project token, uh partnered with
Um some of the biggest players in the thoroughbred horse racing space where you can earn royalties on living breathing
real world horse assets with the billionaires, so it's pretty cool and excited to
Join you guys in some amazing projects up here today
That's amazing loving the uh horse racing games recently that's super cool guys well done uh myth go for it
Hey guys. Good morning. Good morning, everyone. I'm jason. I'm the ceo and co-founder over myth. We're a game fight
and digital entertainment ecosystem
And we're about to kick ass with our first flagship game hex mythica, which is a pretty revolutionary roguelite
With the lovely help of some major studios in the space. Um, yeah, we're just thrilled to be here and this topic with
Infrastructure in gaming is all what we're about. It's about providing
All the tools for the next gen of games for the world
Let's go nice work myth, uh pachara go for it
Hi, can you hear me? I'm outside so it might be a bit echoey, but it's nice to meet you guys
I finally got on stage because I was it was drugging me earlier. So apologies for that
My name is vachara. I'm a
Since 20 21. I think you're ragging a little bit again
And I actually have some last minute things
Try try get it try get it some better reception if you can and then uh, it will like you just tune in
Yeah, we can we can sort of here. I think it's a little bit delayed
But just try to get some better reception and then we'll we'll circle back to you. Uh, we're gonna move on to eric
Hey everyone. Good morning. I'm the head of ecosystem over at oasis or an l1, uh gaming focus blockchain
Geez, I can't even keep count anymore. I think we have 13 14 l2s
So we primarily work with like sega band dynamic. Oh square in x
You name it we work with a lot of uh, double a's triple a's and that sort of stuff
So really, you know bringing this to the mainstream. Thanks for having me guys
Awesome eric. That's awesome. Uh sugarheads nft. Yeah for a brother
Hey, hey, thanks for having me. Um
Web three hero from sugarheads nft and i'm very very honored to be here with so many awesome names and
speakers that we have up today, so what we are is a
First of its kind nft with a basket of digital assets erc tokens
Uh erc 20 tokens connected to each nft. So it's basically an unruggable
Nft project and we look to segue into addictive
fun simple, um games as well, so
Nice mate. And finally last but not least ruby edelstein. Hey, buddy
Hey guys. Thank you for having me you keep the best for the last and uh, we're an nft multix network is an nft
Multi-chain bridge we're currently connected to 30 different blockchain around 10 non-evms
uh, we have around 31 wallets integrations in our
An rui. Thank you for having me guys looking forward to the
All right guys, we're all here we're all stacked i'm looking forward to these questions
I do like to keep these questions broad because there are usually pretty smart individuals in the room
Uh, because I know that we like to get into a bit of detail and we sort of do segments
So these spaces do become quite natural in the way that we speak. So guys feel free to just be relaxed
This is an easy going space. I just want everyone to sort of like speak their minds and and not have to worry
Usually we actually have a really good
Combination of speakers when we when we treat it like a rumor friend
So the first question and guys when you want to answer just unmute and go for it no need for hands, but the first question is
What are key gaming infrastructure projects that are noteworthy in either web 3 or web 2.5?
Don't jump in at once. I think i'm ragged at the end of the question
Maybe everyone else didn't hear it to you
All right guys, did you and give me a thumbs up if you heard the question
We we heard it i'm like, how do we not promote ourselves? Um key gaming infrastructure, right?
You know, you know we do just I think if you if you really believe that you guys
No, no because it's a it's a fair question because if there are projects in this space that uh,
Sorry, it's a fair point. I should say if there's a project in this space and you believe that you have like a really cool
Infrastructure project for gaming like try to do it in a way
That's not shilly where you're not trying to like tell us to ape into your project
Try to describe it in a way that uh tells us the features and components of your project
That that make for like a real good reason as to why people should be paying attention
It might have a future effect on other web 3 gaming projects in the space
It might have an immediate effect right now or it's already had like a uh, like a uh, I would say
A path of adoption and and some real uh, yeah a good track record
So feel free to just jump in and try not to be too shilly
For us, I think we're maybe i'm a little bit unique in the space as we come from things at the very blockchain level
So we're what I would consider the very very base level of infrastructure for gaming
And uh, you know oasis we're in l1
And on the l2 level we you know, we support whatever people want to do, right?
Whatever works best for gaming and so I think you know
What we're really seeing at that infrastructure level is a big play of you know
What I would call giants from the space especially in the l2 space where a lot of gaming is happening. So
Whether it be like polygon and what they're doing with polygon cdk. That's on one side
We have optimism and they're working on optimism super chain
You know, we have zk sync. We have all of these different infrastructure
Providers at that that very deep level
Um, you know gearing up and moving towards gaming, right?
So this is a huge shift from what we've seen in the last cycle
Where no one really cared like let's be honest people were not that much into gaming in the last, uh, you know, we'll run
Um, but now you know every major infrastructure provider from the blockchain level
Is super deeply interested in gaming and blockchain gaming and where it's going to go
So i'll leave it there, but just uh kick off the conversation
Eric eric, uh before I I want to come back to you on this point. I just forgot one thing
Fred's reminded me all the speakers on the panel right now and uh listeners if you can
Please click the button in the bottom right corner. Uh, it's the comment section. I need you guys to repost
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Uh to retweet the room that is like yeah, it's like part of the bylaws of when you signed up to speak
So, uh, but yeah, all the listeners absolutely done
Legend I can see oh my god. My notifications are popping off. Uh, but yeah to your point
I don't know like I feel like in the last bull run
We had heaps of people interested in gamefi and it definitely had a couple of its own
During the peak of the bull during the whole entire bull run definitely had a couple of its own
Like mini bull runs in itself
But definitely this the talk is like this this like coming bull run gamefi and ai
I definitely like the two two biggest I guess narratives to watch but mate like yeah all of a sudden like like yeah
Hey, man, we're we're blockchain game native here as a team
We released a game in 2017 before my crypto kitties came out called my crypto heroes
You know, we were the number one game on
Blockchain for quite a while until defy summer happened and then you know things had to shift. So hey, we're totally there
We're super excited to be here. Um, we'd love to hear from other people
Hi i'll jump in uh, you know, we're an e-sports team it's a very like web 2 familiar thing
We're kind of piquing people's curiosity and
Kind of helping market web 3, you know, we want them to
Say oh, okay nouns e-sports. We like their e-sports teams, but what's noun style?
So then they you know, they go google they figure out noun style
they learn about the governance models and how easy or simple it can be to
Submit a proposal and receive funding for their, you know for their passion project or a great idea
And it's really straightforward holders vote
On whether or not they want to do it
And if they say yes, then you get funded and you go about and do your thing. So
groups are often looking for funding for their various initiatives and
they often have to jump through a lot of different hoops in order to get their projects off the ground and
In crypto, it doesn't necessarily have to be
We enable it to be a little bit simpler than that
So if wink wink, I was building a game launcher
I would be building it in a way that did not restrict any of the experiences players could possibly have on the platform like a lot
Of infrastructure is kind of backing themselves in corner
Whether it's through connect wallet solutions or building their own chains and that is never going to be an inclusive place
For all of web 2 to come in and experience all of web 3 of what we have to offer here
right, so like building it very open not like
Painting yourself into a corner where you might not be, you know
You never know what chain there's hundreds of millions of dollars being thrown around on all these different chains
You don't know where that next one is going to come from
so to give yourself the best shot of of winning you definitely want to make sure that you can
Uh deploy any game on your platform and then two
I think the biggest value proposition that we have in web 3 like aside from ownership is that the whole point here is to reward
People for the contributions that they're making to ecosystems
So finding ways to reward players and not like, you know, shilly
It doesn't have to be tokens. It's just some kind of meaningful rewards. It could be profit sharing
It could be you know bounties
It could be any number of things but people are leaving web 2 because they're being extracted from if they're leaving it all
And that's the biggest reason I see people coming over. It's not because the gameplay is fantastic
It's not because they love crypto and blockchain technology. It's not because of the financial incentives per se
They believe a lot of it's a scam
But if you're meaningfully rewarding your players for contributing to those ecosystems, I think you'll go a lot further with that web 2 audience
Um to follow up what you were just saying, I don't think this is the first time we've agreed on launchers on a twitter space
there's a lot of closed silos being built right now and
Everyone needs to like keep in mind that there's going to be a moment. Maybe it's this year
Maybe it's next year where the biggest closed silo in gaming decides that they like crypto now and that's steam
And whenever steam decides that they're okay with nft's
That's it. Either someone is has has found their audience and made a stand and built something before then or none of us have a chance
And so the only way that we're going to stand against that is by really embracing all of our principles is that fully decentralized idea
But you know everything that blockchain can do better than something like steam can do has to be built and working great
I guess separate on infrastructure. Um, i'm building a game
But i'm trying to use web 3 infrastructure differently than a lot of other games
Which is that we're actually building multi-chain
We're going to be building eureka on five different blockchains with like a piece of our back end on each of them
By the end of it all connected through an off-chain kind of hub
and i'm kind of hoping that people look at what we're doing and
Start to kind of do the same where they think about blockchains and different crypto infrastructure is just like a piece of tech
Not a you know a boat. You have to throw yourself fully on to one and just pick
Uh, all right, you might as well jump on
Hit it go for a moment. All right. I am a little different
I'm not actually building extremely i'm not building games and building more experiences with my little project and my team
We're quite small at the moment. So it's a long-term
Build and we're building for mixed reality. And so that's like what we're building for is about in reality about five years out to
Reality of mobile xr and everybody actually having the devices that we are looking for
Um extremely mobile eight hour minimum battery life that's current battery life on these
Just don't work for what we are building for
We are it's more of a experience to get people outside. We are huge fans of what pokemon did for
humanity as far as pulling people out of their house to collaborate and meet new humans and
Find new people like-minded individuals
So clonkover is meant to be basically pokemon go but for every single individual artist on the space
Um any individual one-of-one entity artists who basically in xr take their
And hide them around the city using geolocation
um to then give their audience and fans a little treasure hunt to go find and
Collect it is going to be a long long long build going to need a lot of help with this
but this is the plan for clonkover and the reason we chose vancouver was the
high concentration of 3d artists studios and gaming
Disney just opened up their first studio in vancouver last year. So we are using vancouver as our
Standing point for this to launch the future of xr cities given the high concentration of 3d talent
I'm gonna jump in for two seconds. Say hey shout out to vancouver
Uh, we're also here in vancouver. Hey
Become on a hotbed. I mean everything from like layer zero covalent all kinds of stuff vancouver. So just shout out to vancouver
Pnd up is popping. That's for sure for for web 3
I would say and I think a couple of people here on the stage even use it we use
Magic link they're like wallet creation
Which is a very daunting process, you know writing on the keys loosely paper
How do we reduce that friction and they've done an excellent job
on making it about as simple as like a
15 year old could do it. So they store your keys and you can export them to metamass
You still can have custodial access but super smooth uxui, which I think was a bigger pain point and now
Folks like people on stage and even us a game of silks, you know dealing with
People that aren't as web 3 native that definitely aren't at all
Making that that is smooth and seamless process and be able to use credit cards is big and you can purchase crypto
With them if you integrate them with zero hash, you know need to exchange or transfer your wallet. So
Those are those are pretty exciting and magic link also has that fiat on ramp
And I and i'm pretty sure a couple of guys here on stage use that so it's been a big plus for us bringing people from
You know wall street to you know main street with mom and pops into
Um a technology that I would like to talk about without even trying to show our own game is
Definitely ugc. I mean the majority of speakers
and participants in this conversation have to do with gaming and I feel like
Ugc will be becoming bigger and bigger in the world where
We're owning our assets and we're spending and investing a lot of time and attention in those games and projects
It only makes sense for us to be able to be contributing to those economies. So
Um, we have that functionality in game, but I I from what i've seen from our partners and friends that we're working with
This will be becoming a massive thing
Because it feels so good to know that you've been able to contribute and to see your work within a game and not only
But if you're a content creator kol
If you have a community then you can build something
For those people and reward them in that way and it just feels so much more unique and special like for example
Let's say your game has the ability to you know
Has the tool to create ugc within game you can use those nfts as almost as pull-ups
For events or just to build something that is quite different to the established kind of norm
In how we engage with our community
So it is definitely something that I would like to see more of in the space
And I know that it will become an integral part much like
And kind of see your creations come to life
So that's definitely a mechanic and something that I know that we're bound to keep on seeing in the space and that is going to be growing
Are you referring to user generated content when you say ugc? Yes, I am. Sorry. I didn't clarify
Awesome. And then kol stands for key opinion leader. I find that whenever um, whenever I use different abbreviations
It's always like just for listeners because most listeners don't always like like to be honest. I was I was that listener
I remember being a person
What that's a good point. That's a good point. Sometimes builders don't know the terms. Yeah. Yeah, seriously
There's a lot of terms nowadays. There's so many terms. It's crazy
Like even like I heard this new one called nft have no idea where that stands
Thanks for everyone's awesome, uh input. This is this is so far really good space
I just want to take it in a slightly different direction. Our game is not
The game that we're looking to develop. Um next is not
so complicated with you know with all these bells and whistles but more so
Looking back to to what worked years ago, you know
Some of the older crowd could resonate more with with some of these old school games where it's just a tap or a swipe
and um, you know, you can play with what you
with what you own like an nft and you can have a revenue split so using some of those
you know crypto mechanics, of course, but
We also we want to just go back to the roots of of the og simple games and you know the very very addicting
Sort of ones i'm sure you have in the back of your head, you know stuff that came stock with like old phones and stuff
Rather than you know, huge
Metaversus and whatnot. We want to just go back to the simple addicting games that we feel like people can pick up and use
very easily without thinking too hard and
You know wager and make some money
so that's kind of the direction that we're we're going in we think we can attract a big user base with just
the really really simple, um
Is that is that to do with infrastructure though like key gaming infrastructure projects?
It is somewhat of an infrastructure. I mean we are going towards an arcade sort of
Idea moving forward, but i'm not sure exactly what you mean
So the question the question hang on let me get the question up again
The question was what us what are key gaming infrastructure projects?
That are noteworthy in either web 3 or web 2.5
Ah, okay, I see I see I I just thought you you were kind of throwing out a broad um
Question but no no no stress if you can if you can try just keep it to answering the question because I know we want to
Talk about our projects as much as possible. But like yeah, just keep it to answering the question
It's it's like it's just better for flow but like you talking you'll get to speak about your project
I'm sure as as you're sort of answering questions. Anyway, for sure. So good answer to that question. Actually
yeah, so is anybody familiar with react 3 fiber here or um,
Uh, because I am extremely extremely excited about this aspect of mini games
Um using those frameworks. So I don't know if anyone's familiar with mr. Doobie. He's the creator of 3.js
It's basically the ability to code spatial websites
So instead of having a static 2d website, you're able to build a website that users can go inside of
So this is the future for the vision probi as well being able to develop your websites
Not to be static 2d websites, but then develop mini mini games. There's a really cool project called su gen actually trying to develop
actual mini games inside of the web this way
Um with collectible digital assets from my ad like all on chain
All in the web like this is not to me. This is the way to get started not like to me
This is the that's the building block. It's much easier to build a
And react 3 fiber and get your audience started and like in your tiny tiny
Build a huge infrastructure problem
This way you get your audience interested building towards your final project and
Seeing your name and brand and eyes before you're actually ready for your larger larger
Jump in real quick and say I just put in the grok
What are key gaming infrastructure projects from web 3 and I thought it was a really cool answer because it says
I'm going to read it in the realm of web 3 gaming
Several key infrastructure projects are driving the industry forward one nodal project is the gaming platform
And I thought that was super
Game and platform leverages blockchain technology
An AI to create a decentralized gaming ecosystem this platform enables gamers to monetize their
Computational resources and earn rewards while contributing to the gaming community
So I thought that was pretty awesome. It pulled you guys up there first. I mean that's hilarious
Yeah, yeah without even trying
You know what I actually I wouldn't mind answering the question
I don't usually answer the questions, but like I think it is worth noting that like just features, right?
So like, you know projects look out for yeah game and obviously we want you to look out for us
but I think like what what's exciting is like the whole idea around like a web 2.5 because
We're thinking about it in a way where we onboard masses. And so like something that we've been able to do is
Bring in gamers into a gaming platform
We've like subsidized the gaming effectively. So we allow them to
Monetize their spare or unused gpu power
By just simply clicking one button. It's that simple you just click it on
And they're able to effectively receive
Rewards for for sharing that with us. We then monetize it and you know send them back right now
It's usdc and so this effectively allows them to then go ahead and spend that on
Like for example, the nft marketplace like where like, you know gamers always want to buy in-game skins and armor weapons
Whatever it might be. I just think that that's like super cool. Like something that I guess is like
Here it's in the ecosystem. It's got a good track record. Like the adoption is already there
There's already a few hundred thousand downloads. But yeah, like again guys, I don't usually answer the questions
I like to just ask them but uh, it's cool that grok actually brought that up just for a little bit more depth there
Yeah, yeah, you need to add
But I was gonna add another one, um, you know one that I know that I think is really cool is iq protocol
um with their nft rental platform
Especially uh kind of centered around games where both
Games can put pieces on there like to to rent out for a lower entry fee for someone that may want to just use it
For a day a tournament an event something like that or users can throw them up there
And I think it really opens it up a lot because I know
Uh myself, you know, I would love to you know have a thousand dollar, you know
csgo skin for some kind of tournament or event or some vehicle but uh
It's gut wrenching to you know purchase and sell out the money
But it's a lot easier for me to say hey, let me rent that for 15 bucks a day
Or you know for for the week
I'll you know, give you 50 bucks to rent and use it for this event kind of thing
And I think it really opens up a whole new avenue and stuff
And it's a really cool kind of infrastructure play with those uh gaming rentals
I actually have to agree. I'm gonna agree with you there. I met the I met the the iq protocol team in london
and the way they've actually gone about
The accessibility to being able to rent
Really really cool for this space
They may they make it so easy and in fact, you know, we're we're actually going to be utilizing their protocols with uh with myth
Um, so yeah, it's always nice to hear
That are that we that we've been talking with mentioned
But yeah, they do have a really smooth onboarding process for any any type of user doesn't have to be web3 natives
They made it super simple. So from an infrastructure standpoint, you know kudos to them
I have a question for king that i've been obsessing with over the ideology of render network. This now
The fact is it just makes more sense for you guys actually
Um, i'm curious about your thoughts on the future of real-time game like real-time rendering for gaming
So with xr as people are moving around so the future of those games
Um and being able to render those graphics in real time
And just the level of which i'm just curious about
uh people's thoughts on the infrastructure needed for
Xr gaming just I don't even know if I necessarily have a question there, but just more thoughts as things get more progressively
Higher fidelity as well as more mobile how we are going to build out the infrastructure
That actually can render those high fidelity assets on the go
With the kit with the compute that we actually have because I don't I don't believe we actually have the compute
To reach the level of mobile xr without going moving towards the cloud. That's just a personal opinion, but
Yo, uh jump to jump in with kind of like a side direction of that development. Um, i'm busy building away
Um ai generated viewports for our game
Where there's there's an underlying 3d game world. That's like what everyone's actually playing in
But then it takes a screenshot of your character's view up converts it with ai and sends that to you
People have already been building
Low resolution like i'm talking about 240 pixels 320 pixels, uh 30 60 frames per second
Uh video games that are fully ai generated. Um
Viewports where they don't even have a 3d world i'm like a hybrid fan, but I kind of think
All this incredible work in the realism of graphics
Is going to get front run at some point in the next year or two?
failing on all of that and just using ai as kind of the last mile of it, um
And so if you want to talk about like the compute needed
For that what it is is it's going to you know be powered just by on device
Graphics, you know capability to run the ai
We already have so much focus going into that for every other reason as well
That um, I think it'll kind of just like catch up
That's a great point. I really yeah, no, I appreciate that a lot. Uh, that's a really really really thought up point
You know, it's funny you've just said xr this is something that I personally haven't researched myself
But it's it's to do with it. What i'm reading is basically like spatial not spatial but extended reality, right?
So, uh, I believe so the point that you're making was around the apple like the goggles the new goggles that are out, right? So, uh
Yeah, i'm building for like version five of that like one
So there's a two-hour battery life on those and so it's quite limiting. Um
They yeah, i'm more like thinking about the next five years when things get extremely mobile
Interesting look, I don't actually have a comment on that with rendering right now
Uh, like that's probably something that tech team has actually
Like already checked out. I think like a good oh, i'm sure
Yeah, it's a big it is it's it's actually huge so like the as we all know like render network have
Uh, I think they've done it. I don't know if they've just claimed it
I think they've done it as well like basically been able to complete rendering, uh for spatial computing. Yeah, I can speak to this
Yeah, yeah, just give a quick example
Pudgy penguins their animation that they just released that everybody may have seen it blew up the twitter so like it was there it was
Just before new year's. Um
It was completely rendered on render network. So what that allows for is instead of using a home device and your gpu and whatever
Um infrastructure you have as a small studio and you need to get it done quick and it's a huge it's a very big project
Uh two minute animation or one minute animation
So it was like let's say 1200 frames each frame it needs to be rendered
This and each frame, you know in the way render network works each frame of the transaction on the on chain
And there's each frame is stored on chain for proof of provenance and proof of history of like what you actually did
Your renders your job all the files then are stored too
So you the idea of what render is also trying to do too is like digital rights management and proof of provenance being able
For artists who are actually building in 3d all day like people being able to push their entire files
To as well beyond just the image to prove that they actually created the entire image themselves
So I guys i'm i'm a huge component and like i'm a believer of ai artists too
Like people who are using ai to improve and make their art, but i'm also a huge believer of the people who are
Be able to like prove that like
Think that this is ai. I really put the work in to make my vision true
I love the depth there, man. That's awesome. All right. Next question. Let's do it. Let's keep it rolling guys
So first question was based around infrastructure projects
Second question is more getting specific. So I like to keep them broad, but it's kind of like broad specific
So what are some great examples of web 3 tech being used in gaming now and coming in?
2024 so things to look forward to that are being built that are releasing soon
Man, I don't I am so sorry. Just keep talking
If anyone's familiar with octane x it is all is the only application on on the vision pro and on apple devices
Working with blockchain that I know of and i'm aware of um, it is to me the infrastructure to
Uh gaming in the future and making everything. Um faster. So I people I don't i'm not a gamer anymore
I stopped usually because I think the build but um
Basically people talk about lag all the time. Um
Any time that you're going to lag in your game because the frame rate and your gpu's drop and it can't you're moving too fast
basically, the idea is render or another device like gaming could come in and pick up using a huge decentralized
Gaming experience just absolutely stellar. Like you just don't have to worry. You can promote your game as being like no no
Again, i'm not gonna be able to speak to gaming terms because i'm not a gamer but um
Yeah, just the ability to promote your game is just like we are gonna have the best graphics guys. Let's go
Yo, what what project is that?
Render network super cool
Uh a toy juulzer if uk if i'm the biggest juulzer buck fanboy ever
Like juulzer buck is the absolutely coolest alien human being right now onto me on the planet
He is building some of the coolest thing. He has the him and sim swiney
But juulzer buck especially have the best understanding of the metaverse i've ever seen
I've ever seen in my entire life
So something that i've been interested in about, you know that obviously we're not producing
But maybe we'll be able to take advantage of in the future is
I don't know if you guys have been following a company called latisse l a t t i c e dot x y z
And so they're partially backed here by optimism and they're creating two different parts to this puzzle and one is called mud
Which is uh an application framework for fully on chain games. So again, this is another meta. We're really seeing
Come you know during this whole market is or the start of this whole market. Hopefully it's fully on chain games
Which has always been a challenge, right?
Just based on the amount of transactions that they need and the way that the games are built and everything
You know connecting those with existing game engines
Lots of friction there. So mud is an application and then it goes with a da layer, right to help manage all of those
Transactions that are going to happen and that's called a redstone
So this is a pretty new project again backed by you know optimism
So hopefully we'll see uh an uptick really on fully on chain gaming as you know
The infrastructure becomes more mature so that you know game developers can really focus on just making games and having to less focus on that
Uh, not the show but I mean just send this to jordan. Um, if anybody's interested, um, i'll repost my uh article on
on our render network and
Apple working together to create
The mixed reality future. Um, my project is called archive i'm the host i'm still behind on the podcast
But i'm the host of it. Um
Let me know if you guys are ever want to talk about render network. I like I could talk about my network forever
So I love that bro, so render network actually went ahead and did uh
The spatial computing thing with apple but was that just through like application of developer toolkit and then just jumping in?
No, they know a toy. So okay, but really the company to actually research is a toy
Um is the web 2 company that has been uh, uh is jewels or box first company that he created uh for octane
Which is a render engine which is one of the top three top five, uh render engines
It is mostly it isn't as used, uh in the for like as many films because it's like
The film industry is really slow. They use Arnold
Um, and octane is just like the future and gpu rendering is the future. Um jeweler box saw this 20 years ago
He is uh, he is like the his best point is every time that we have an improvement in gpu
We as artists fill that void immediately
Immediately. Oh we can we can render at 1k. We're rendering at 1k. Oh, we can render at 2k
We're rendering in 2k. Oh 8k. We're going 16k. Let's go
We trying to get our graphics looking good, baby
No, so like like like the kid is points to like us. We're never gonna fill that void of gpu's like we're always going to be
Trying to catch up like it's just the info
Then so he saw this idea to push rendering to the cloud for like it a toy has been working in cloud
Computing and rendering forever. Um, he had a patent out in 2009 for decentralized compute
He basically he was waiting for like blockchain technology just to come along forever and it just did and he was just like oh no
I think we can build on um
And basically then he created render network, which is the decent they've now
Opened up a dow. I mean the dow is a little chaotic because I got 15 000 render drained on new year's day
Uh, my company's a little screwed. I lost 100k. Um, but it's all good. I'm moving forward guys. It's all good
Um, but we we build them and we are here. Um
But uh, yeah render network is my is my baby. I love it so much
I found that when I was in 3d class
I uh, yeah the people to actually research and listen to his tools or buck like really
Um, I can't emphasize that enough like he is one of my beautiful the beautiful minds of today. Well, sorry
What was the question again, yeah, I think you cut out about
A bit for when you asked the questions gaming
The question was what are some great examples of webs free tech being used in gaming now and coming in 2024
I'll jump in here. Uh, we use this platform called rev.gg
And it allows creators to mint and distribute badges to set up fan loyalty programs, uh using blockchain and
They have it all set up where it's very creator friendly where you can do badge claims on twitch discord twitter spaces
And it's yeah, you can you know, then you can use these badges to gain analytics about your audience and their on-chain activities
uh, and then also do like little raffles and things to reward people for
them kind of you know investing or participating in your community, so really really easy straightforward thing that
People that aren't familiar with web 2 can get involved via custodial wallets
And people that are, you know familiar with web 3 are able to kind of take that self-custody and own those badges on their own
Yo, I second all the good statements about rev
Great platform thing and one is phenomenal one is phenomenal
Yeah, i've heard good things we we've we've looked at it, uh, I would say
I mean there's a lot like obviously companies here on stage shrapnel like some of the bigger heavy hitters in web 3
You know that and it's it's a lot of people don't know but like my friend's son is like 16
He was showing me how he's collecting nfts on the like this nfl app like basically doing fantasy sports via nfl
It's fully like they have full custody. So it's not like full web 3 decentralized, but that's how you get people
That once they get for more familiar and understanding technology and can understand the importance of ownership
We'll start to branch out and take that elevate that gaming and ownership experience
And so that was that was a big thing for us where you know
thoroughbred racehorse is like a couple million dollars where you can get it for
You know thousands of the cost and so a lot of sports will continue to do that and you know making sure that
Folks have have done that infrastructure
You know have that, you know years of experience to to lay it down to make sure it's secure for here in the future
Jumping guys, uh, is everyone
Is everyone familiar with nba? Topshot here and what was building? Yeah dapper lab. Yeah, it's a crown jewel for sure
Because yeah, okay. Cool. Good. Good. Good. Because that's it. Like yeah, everything that they're basically taking over sports
I'm not correct. Look the deals that they've gotten like the lego like
Am I mistaken or like I feel like they've gotten some really big strong
And are like building out kind of the infrastructure of sports gaming and gambling and collecting if i'm not mistaken
Yeah deals with like metel in the works too like some gamified experiences with metel
Mickey may her one of our advisors their former svp there. He's pretty
Oh, yeah, they're the disney thing too, right? Yeah, they're the huge disney little that one that one under the radar
I feel like I feel like people didn't even see that like in many circles i'm around like
I was like that is huge to me that night disney coming on chain what flow like whoa
Yeah, that's going to be huge and they own so many different
So many different brands that they're going to be
Yeah, I find works at paramount trust too. I feel like I feel like they just bring the trust
Like bring the the brands that flow is able to build and bring like they're
They're building the trust layer to me for the web2 audience that doesn't understand
Like they they make it so simple for people. I feel like they are
Like there's so many people doing this as well
But to me flow is like top five of like just simplicity to on-chain assets and getting people in
What's a couple of examples on how they're doing that
Um, oh credit card, they were one of the first to do credit cards really, um with their wallet
That was a big one for nba topshot actually just allowing any user to basically i'm a sports lover
I just opened this up and I just input my credit card like i'm used to for everything else cool
Okay, and that got a huge amount of people just collecting their favorite sports moments. Uh, I would say was probably the first. Um
At the top of my head, I can't maybe think of that many others, but I mean they've been building since crypto kitties
I mean they are one of the most
Influential intelligent building companies in my opinion that goes under the radar like they
People need to really pay attention to flow because they are quiet, but they build big
guys, I actually want to segue into next question because this is kind of like
Perfect for it. So then the last question was going to be what are ways you can see web3 tech being mass adopted in games
Um, I feel like you've just sort of hit hit the nail on the head with that example guys
Can you can you think of any other ways?
Geolocated, um being up there like pokemon go but on chain
Um, like like rebase kind of like rebase are doing
Uh, yes. Yeah, I think so. Um, but that's going to be just absolutely insane. So, okay. Um
This kid he's an artist. He's not a kid actually. Sorry, uh, this guy he is named fly phoenix hotel
He did this he's one of the coolest, uh minds to me. Um,
He created his art piece to be a digital collectible
This is years ago, by the way
And then what you are able to do with that digital collectible is you are one of the only people to get access
To the instagram ar filter to then showcase that and put it on your story
Um put it out there and be like I collected this I am I got this you don't
Hahaha is part of the it's it's it's not my favorite thing
But people like to flex and it's also a way to how to get art out there
Um, but it's a way to create exclusivity and it's a way to create uh
Like ar and ar filters are an amazing way to push your brand and your objects and your assets like think gaming
Okay, think about any of your digital assets being able to be also ar filters and all of your
Gamers on instagram being able to then while they're like sitting there gaming
Like then being able to put on their story a little spinning asset of like a dagger a gun. Um
Even a care a full character would be dope
Like just doing their little like uh idle cycle just standing there being like already or waving
Like and then you've got the game in the background
Like you've got like you've got your character
Like you let's say you put a lot of work into making your character look the way you want it to work
And then you get to also then have the ar filter and then you take a little story
If you're about to like jump in the game and it's like we're going in guys
And it's like you on the story and you've got your little homie
And you and you're all together and you're about to go into the game and they're like, I don't know to me
That is viral marketing. That is gorilla marketing. That is
Everything you're seeing it. You're seeing it now with it like not not in that way
But like pretty much with the same tech on the apple vision pro
So I think like one thing that I heard in the space today
And I agree with was with the apple vision pro when they actually did the marketing before they released it
They sort of did it in a way where the actual advertisements weren't weren't necessarily that great
But but no one knew that until after when you started seeing all these klls
Aka key opinion leaders starting to produce content that actually looked better than the apple ads
And I feel like they did that intentionally to sort of make it seem like oh jeez
This is actually better than anyone could have imagined apples
And it's that it's that it's exactly what you're talking about
So like it's that ar right because you see all the different things happening like literally live as people are doing you know
Yeah, apple is one of the best at doing this. Honestly, like they are they're like, I can't no one can compete with them at this ability
Uh, they they're their audience. They're their buyers
their users are their marketing like they
They they use their people
push their product and fight for their product and love their product and
And like to like their the amount of people who wear their product like a fashion accessory
That is that is what apple is good at like that. What they they just made the vision pro a fashion accessory
Um, who's part of the od labs and like one thing that I like about od is they understand like the the culture aspect the ground roots
Mika is gonna be a little fashion icon with like the vision pro
But there's like division pro is also gonna allow these already fashion icons to then be like look at me
I got this you don't got this because I got the money
And then they're gonna be like I got four hour battery life because I got the battery extension
It's like a five kit and like I can go outside for longer
But like to me this is what apple is really good at
And it's just their people fight their life fight the battle for them
Andy you've had your hand up for a second there mate. You must have a short short shot. I'll jump in
Whoops sorry couldn't find the app
I was just doing some work listening to you guys. Uh, thanks for having me up
Um, I think the question was something like what's gonna
How are we gonna kind of scale gaming in 2024?
So it was it was what other ways you can see web 3 tech being mass adopted in games
And if you want to say it's like to do with 2024 that that makes total sense
Yeah, yeah, sure. Um, it's a quick intro
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but uh, yeah, so I mean in general I think
This is one of those things where we're going around the circles and the industry saying the same things over and over again at infinitum
you know, I think that uh, the thing that i'm seeing the most
Because you have these like larger teams that can build everything themselves. Um when it comes to like rolling their own authentication
Um working with like payment providers things like that. Um
But then you have these kind of like blockchain
Centric solutions for it. What I mean is it's very interesting interesting to me to see um
That's tied to a wallet and i'm not naming names or saying anything at all, but it pardon me
But what I think is going to be a potential problem when we talk about the scale of 500 million players, you know
Especially when we have these big events will be kind of these providers that are meant to focus on blockchain owning
exclusively like the top of funnel for your user onboarding and if there's any problems with that, you know
Having the having the game kind of break down. We're already seeing some examples of this
The future of of this kind of onboarding process will be blockchain kind of standing in the back
Very very tucked away completely like server to server
Just owning exclusively blockchain and then the game will look and feel
exactly like no other logos no other pop-ups
anything like that will feel exactly like a
Web2 game with the opt-in option like deep in the menu
Of like advanced settings sort of thing to to incorporate the blockchain stuff versus kind of like this heavy forward like the worst case
Of this would be like a metamask, you know sign in and then again, it depends on the game genre
But that's what i'm seeing right now across the space is kind of like leading with blockchain
Even if it's signing in with google if that authentication is owned by a blockchain provider
I just find that very interesting compared to it's also very valuable real estate and a lot of important user data being passed to like
Kind of this new third party of blockchain
Yeah, I agree with that completely I think uh, like web3 blockchain stuff can just stay completely outside the games
I actually think web3 is a great way to empower the communities to sort of organize themselves
You know these large decentralized audiences that are international and across the world
like they just have a hard time kind of getting on the same page and I think that's where
Tokenization can kind of help organize and give them a better seat at the table in those discussions with the game developer
So that game dev can have really great feedback and can build
Towards the future of what their audience actually wants to see
Yeah, there there are other like completely different really valuable uses of blockchain for traditional gaming other than
Just you know ownership of assets it's on the space yesterday and someone made a great point which I realized like oh
It's something, you know, I should talk about from my game, which is they talked about
other games with great economies in the past ending up getting ruined by like
Like the ability to you know, dupe an object and just like multiply it over and over and over
And that that kind of can really ruin people's experience with the game
And if you know, you can't dupe a game item if it's tokenized in the background
It just it just like flat prevents that
So anyway, yeah, I completely agree about blockchain staying underneath the surface
But I don't know if it's you know, it needs to stay or will stay outside entirely
I think there's a lot of different ways to kind of incorporate it that benefit just nothing but benefit the game
Totally totally agree. I'm not sure you agree. Yeah
No, no, I actually I actually do. Um, I just I just kind of meant what is what does the user experience for?
If we're talking about 99 percent of people not, you know
Knowing what a wallet is or wanting to deal with it and making sure that everything works really well
Um keeping it tucked away and keeping it smooth, which we're all I think we're all in agreement
Yeah, I mean our browsers don't even show us the http anymore or even the www right? That's a new one last few years
Exactly. I i'm so sorry. I I have to run. I just got pulled into a meeting
But thank you so much for having me up here. I'd love to come back and chat
Yeah, yeah keeping it's like it's like balancing that that that fine line, right?
where that's where i've been in crypto for like four cycles and I see a lot of
Games that are like ownership ownership ownership
But like as you guys said and you talk to an average gamer
They're actually still like the it's like owners. They don't really care
I think it needs to be sorry. I'm gonna say like
Yeah, I think it did cut off but it depends on the genre of your game and it depends on
What you think is like a core game loop feature
A lot of games have like a an economy that they're trying to build within it and that's where I think
A lot of opportunity is that if you can create enough digital items that people are interested in trading, you know, that's a very unique
Monetization model that many games have really struggled to achieve
And I think that's what a lot of people are trying to figure out how to do best here and on you know
Blockchain sort of enabling that however
Uh, you know I come from dota and counter strike and these games, you know, there were no in-game assets for the longest time
you know this generation of micro transactions and
In-game assets that you own and trade buy and sell
this was a feature that came along way later when there was a huge audience already that was
You know that they were trying to figure out how to extract more money from so the court the court game doesn't necessarily have to
feature in a robust economy. Um, I mean, I think that's a dream scenario, but not necessarily
All right, I just want to touch in like on the ownership part like as a gamer I you know
Before web3, I never really cared about the ownership aspect a whole lot as a parent
I 1000 like changed my opinion on that
And that was even without web3 when i've got four kids. They're all gamers
I spend like an embarrassing amount of money on their skins and
All kinds of stupid stuff they want in games and then like, you know
One of my kids will stop playing and the other one will start playing and i'm like
Can't you just use your brother's account?
Like he's already got, you know hundreds of dollars worth of skins and crap on here and he's like, no, I want my own
And as a parent i'm like man if I had ownership of this stuff
I could just transfer it to you know, my other son, you know since since the one's no longer playing and uh,
I think it will become more important. Um in that sense once people understand it, but there's just not really the understanding
That's also on like what apple does so well, right like
Apple is amazing at releasing a piece of tech
That before it comes out everyone's like I don't need that
I don't care about it and then it comes out it's like now they care
I can you know completely agree that the same thing will happen for owning game assets
It'll become the default the expectation people will get why it matters, but they really don't care right now
Yeah, it's uxui that's why apple wins and
A lot of games have been around for two years or one year and then it's you know
It's kind of lacking some of the
The still that friction and like I said with the wallets like even metamask and robbie robbie's a step up
You know as you can see your nfts, but
You know making that a smooth this process and I think a lot of and it's just kind of like the nature of you know
An engineer versus kind of like the end user
And making sure that that's always in mind and getting rapid feedback and incorporating that lean startup mentality
and so finding that balance and that all of an enjoyable experience where the transactions are
Limited and you know our next as low as possible and then
Yeah, knock out of the park
Oh shoot sorry, um, I was just thinking about what the other person was saying about
Making people like want the assets and it was just
Speaking to my point about before about the ar and the viral marketing and like make people want to want what you have
Create a system that makes people want what you have then you've got yourself new users every day
Well, yeah, I mean that's where I think skill-based games come in over pay to win based games
I'm thinking more about marketing
I'm thinking about apples killing it at make people want what you've got make people feel like damn
I'm just damn. I need that everybody right now on the timeline is like I need an apple vision pro
In my time and all of us before we're like, I don't really think I need that
Exactly exactly. I mean I don't need that because like
I'm building for after that next version, but hey everybody else needs to need that
Yo, I just let sugarheads back up sugar we had a full space before buddy
Did you want to add to what we're talking about in the conversation?
A lot of sugar cats out there
Guys, I think we're gonna actually uh, we're gonna wrap up
We usually like do it at the hour just before we've been going just over what I will do though
Is i'd love for each of the projects just to sort of give a little closing thing
If there's anything, uh, you wanted to chat about uh for people to look forward to in the coming
Days weeks months quickly just give a give a sentence or two and then we'll uh, we'll close out the space
If anyone wants to talk about anything i've talked about more in depth, I don't get to talk to it
A lot of people about it. So just hit me up
Um, I would love to connect with anybody really
I hit you on messages brother join that tg group would love to chat will do will do will do
yeah, I would say, um, just congrats everyone is building here and
especially if you're paying out players and
We spent a lot of time and money figuring out the legal compliance to pay out people when they're when their horses
It's it's exciting. So we look forward to collabing with anyone that's kind of in that, you know, e-sports
Rwa synthetic asset and you know gamble phi space and
Yeah, keep on killing it catch you guys in the metaverse
Yeah, thanks again, this is another awesome conversation you uh
Definitely do well thrown together some awesome panels and some awesome topics. Um learned a lot
uh, and I hope everyone else did too excited to see where we're going in 2024 and uh
What everyone else uh is getting out there getting delivered?
Thank you for having us guys. Hope to catch you again. Thank you guys. Thank you
Thanks for having us on such a good cheers