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🎙️WEB3 | +C.O.C ft All Holders All Projects| name no names 👈 only rule
Recorded: March 14, 2026 Duration: 2:48:42Space Recording
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Good afternoon, happy Saturday. Welcome to the community of communities, Web3 space.
Tonight is a special space we are super excited about. Tonight is a space for the holders to
speak their mind on the space, to speak about different projects, different elements of Web3,
the things that they do like, the things that they don't,
the things that they would like to see,
some of the ideas that they have.
And the goal tonight is to have some awesome,
authentic, positive, constructive conversations
about all the different elements of the space
and what we can do as communities to help it prosper what projects can do to help
make it a better place for the community and vice versa so we're super excited about tonight it's
going to be an awesome space it is a bit of a slow start as sometimes it is on a saturday so
of course we're just going to spend a couple of minutes getting the space showed out getting the
team on the stage getting people in
to get the show on the road so all is going to be well we're super excited about it we appreciate
anyone who is listening back to the space thank you very much for listening back and to all the
people that are already in the space thank you so much as well we are truly grateful because we have
been looking forward to the space we think it's going to be a brilliant a brilliant show tonight
so we're looking forward to it so hope everybody is good hope everyone is well as always it normally
takes about five or ten minutes for the space to get started for the people to get in for the show
to get on the road so we're super excited about it tonight i see that lucky is just landed in the
space as well what a legend what an honor it was to meet you last night truly grateful one of those
where have these guys been all my life moment so um it was to meet you last night truly grateful one of those where have
these guys been all my life moments so um it was brilliant to have that feeling again so really
excited about you and your community and your team and then and just connecting and getting to know
you guys better as well and uh we're looking forward to tonight's face as well you see some
of the legends are already coming in we got megalodon in the building as well so super excited
about that as well um yeah so we're just
going to get everyone in get the team on the stage get the show on the road so i hope everyone's
having a fantastic saturday so far or it may even be a sunday for you could even still be a friday
but you are somewhere in the world and it is sometime somewhere so we'll just go with that
web three we don't do time so uh i'm sure we can all agree on that but uh yeah that being said if
you want to come up on stage absolutely welcome to i'll ping out an invitation over to everyone
of course we'll get whoever wants to join us on the stage is welcome to if people just want to
listen in totally okay as well if anyone has any questions or anything you want to add do feel free
to drop it in the comment section and we will keep checking it and going through it and reading it out as well so tonight the goal and the only rule for tonight is name no names
for a multitude of reasons but the focus is to be able to feel free to have a conversation and
an opinion on any topic that's being discussed without any concern of it seeming
as if shade is being casted which of course no one's going to cast any shade but of course
sometimes some opinions or some perspectives may seem controversial and we don't want it to seem
as if there's anything negative happening of course because it's all constructive that is the goal
and also just to spark that conversation because we all know that people do learn a lot from people having
conversations about specific topics they have little to no understanding on or just never heard
about it before as well so that being said we see bacon sandwich in the building so i appreciate
that we've got retrospects in the building let's go that means we'll have some awesome music played
throughout the space as well and different segments just to kind of break it up a little bit just to give a little room reset so super grateful that you are
here tonight rest respect but we'll quickly go around the room we'll just say hello to the core
team that's on the stage at the moment and then we will speak to anyone that wants to come up and
then we'll get the show on the road so bacon sandwich happy saturday sir how are we
sandwich happy saturday sir how are we i am back at the studio um i have been chilling at my dad's
pub for a couple of hours playing some pool i uh beat someone twice that i've never beaten before
and i beat someone once i've never beaten before they're both very very good pool players but i have recently been
practicing i have stepped up my game i have now become a contender so uh yeah that's good to uh
get a couple of big fat w's under my belt that's uh something to celebrate but i am i went for a
walk down the beach earlier you probably if you were in the coc chat in our
in our uh community chat you'd have seen the pictures i posted of my auntie's house
she lives right on the seafront um and i went for a nice nice little stroll so basically i pressed i
pressed play on uh vivaldi's four seasons which is about 45 minutes long and i walked like almost half an hour a little
over half an hour in one direction i then stopped took in the scenery a little bit turned around and
came back and as soon as i got back to the studio um the the song was just coming to its conclusion
um so that that worked out perfectly but yeah i, I feel refreshed. I feel reset.
I feel grounded, balanced, all the good things.
So as you know, some of you guys might know,
my week has been a little chaotic this week.
So a little bit of calm has just kind of like
just brought down the frequency a little bit for me this weekend.
So love it.
That's what I'm thankful for.
Well, I'm very glad you have been able
to have a nice reset see the sights get some fresh air and be back in the studio so yeah no
that's good to hear bros give up lad but yeah i'm super excited about tonight actually i think
there's going to be some real good conversation i'm looking forward to uh just having good
conversation about people's
ideas, you know, what people feel, what they think, what they'd like to see more of, less of,
what they'd like to see be, you know, there's a lot of, what I love about this space is there's
so much room for creativity and I think creativity sparks more creativity and good tooling as well,
you know, some people have created some amazing tools and with that is opened up so many avenues for more amazing
things to be created so it's been a phenomenal space to see those things prosper so yeah i'm
really looking forward tonight so i'm glad you're refreshed and ready for action because yeah the
only rule tonight is name no names and it might get tricky it can be it can be hard and you know
is name no names and it might get tricky it can be it can be hard and you know it's easy i'm gonna
so struggle with that oh we all are we all are but when we're talking about like projects um and to
you know and using projects as examples it's going to be very hard to not use those projects as
examples yeah um yeah that is going to be tricky mate i'm gonna i'm gonna i mean
you know we we know that we we came across a holder space a couple of weeks ago hosted by the
absolute legend that is grand rider and uh i came in there i came in there started name dropping
some names i couldn't help it because because it was relevant to the conversation and you know
just trying to like uh you know iterate my point it made sense to the conversation and you know just trying to like uh you know iterate
my point it made sense to use examples and when you're using examples you need to make examples
make sense yeah it is gonna it is gonna be hard um and but i think it's definitely possible it is
gonna be tricky um but obviously the goal is to just be able to make it possible for people to have pros and cons.
Because, you know, there's many things that people might absolutely love,
but there may be a few people that don't like it for a specific reason.
And if the names aren't mentioned, then they're able to say, you know,
I don't like that thing because of this.
And it will just be more focused on the thing rather than who created the thing or where it came from.
So it is going to be tricky and hard.
So it will be a challenge, but we've never been too shy to accept a difficult challenge.
So I'm looking forward to it.
Yeah, let's do it.
You're the only person in the space I can't mute as well.
The mute all only applies to...
Oh, no, what's wrong oh no i'm just gonna shout really
loud so if i just randomly come in squawking like a bird actually you can you can you can
just remove me from the stage that's the that's the you can still silence me yeah by removing me
from the stage yeah i'm sure there'll be a point in time where you're saying i did say you could remove me from the state so yeah hopefully no names will be mentioned if if there is a slip up there's a slip up but
hopefully we can avoid it but like i said it's just it's just so that you know the opposing
view can be expressed without anyone thinking that they're talking bad on anyone in particular
so it's just for the friendly element of that being said but we'll move over to Z3 who is also
on the stage Z happy Saturday sir how are you doing my friend happy Saturday everyone I'm
looking forward to this space I'm looking forward to well space. I'm looking forward to, well, not just learning,
but speaking about people's successes in the industry and the failures,
what I think might be coming up in the future,
or stuff like that.
Hopefully it's going to be good.
Let's go.
It's going to be awesome.
I mean, if the space is half as good as how clear your audio is,
that will be an absolute win.
Sound really clear really clear like it
i logged in on my other phones let's go yeah definitely keep that up i can hear everything
you're saying i'm not just like guessing now now i'm only kidding bros you know you know me it takes
me a long time to do anything my alarm was beeping for how long before i actually changed the battery
years we'll have to revisit that actually
yeah for anyone that doesn't know
for anyone that doesn't know z had um you know every fire alarm or someone knowing has
a beeping system on it when the batteries are dying and z had a beeping
on his fire alarm for i'm not even joking way over two years um so every time he'd unmute his
microphone at some point you would hear that beep um and it kind of became like you could tell you
could tell when when z turned up to a chat um you know we'd be in like a team chat or you know like
a community chat or whatever and you'd know when z turns up because you wouldn't see him turn up you'd hear him turn up
absolutely there was no denying it was them yeah it got to the point it got to the point
where i was prepared to send him a nine volt battery to his house to fix the problem that's
how far it got true story everyone was off everyone was saying
to me i'll send you the five dollars if you want yeah that's it it was even funnier when you got
it fixed because you never told anyone but everyone knew do you know what's really funny about it
oh you're gonna tell everyone now bacon all right so no sooner had he just replaced the battery in his uh smoke alarm
uh this this the the the um carbon dioxide alarm then also needed its batteries replacing so then
that started bleeping instead it was like oh there's no bleep anymore so maybe i should bleep now and then it
did but he did he did get that one fixed pretty quick actually i was again i was at
the point where i was going to say look z i'm going to just send you an address bro
yeah actually probably a pro now so i'm hopeful i'm hopeful see
that's it that is it that was really funny that it was an enjoy it was an enjoyable thing and uh
it was quite funny how many people noticed that but uh yeah so we'll get some legends on the stage
and we'll dive in so i appreciate everyone that's here
already thank you to anyone that's shared out the space as well if you haven't done and you don't
mind doing you can always undo it after the space if you wish um please feel free to share the space
out in case anyone that you are following wants to come in and check it out join in and participate
and we would really appreciate that as well but thank you to everyone that's already here right
now and like i said earlier to anyone that may listen back to the space as well and
listen to the recorded version we thank you as well that is absolutely greatly appreciated and
hopefully there's things talked about tonight that help add value to the stage to the space sorry
in some form or another but if anyone does want to come up you are absolutely welcome to do so
and in fact we look forward to do so and uh in
fact we look forward to it so i'll ping out a shirt to everyone that's in the space right now
in case you want to come and jump in you are welcome to do that but uh yeah definitely looking
forward to tonight um i know that you have some things you want to unpack as well z um so whilst
we're getting more people in happy to uh unpack it with you first i mean we've got
retrospect in the building as well if retro you are welcome to do that as well but then but
obviously as we always do we try to keep the swear into a minimum preferably zero but i know
that that's not really possible we always try to keep it as minimal as possible just so that it's
you know friendlier for the youth and for ladies that want to listen in so that we can reach more people wait you
and and you invited me yeah yeah that was a mistake that i made
that's it but uh we're always trying we can only try it's not it's not it's not a crime it's not a
bad thing you know it's just we're just one of the things to try and keep it that way if we can only try it's not it's not it's not a crime it's not a bad thing you know it's just we're just one of the things to try and keep it that way if we can but obviously some people just
speak like that and that's totally fine but uh yeah we always try to uh keep it to as minimal
as possible just so that people can listen in and younger people can listen in as well but uh but
yeah that being said um definitely looking forward to speaking about certain things and the challenge is to name
no names so that's the goal so yeah Z is there anything in particularly you wanted to touch on
first maybe there's you know if you want to touch on something that you've participated in
that you like and advocate for I thought we could go back to the start
and get everyone's thoughts about the future of profile pictures,
because really that's how we all started in the space,
was just, well, before that was really the art on it,
but then the profile pictures,
and then everyone using that as their identity.
I was wondering what people's thoughts are in the future yeah that's a good question i don't know
if you want to go first on responding to that birkin yeah go on so so for me it's about value
um so like board ape yacht club is more than just oh my god i've dropped named already uh so a project
beginning would be um they're more than just a um profile picture um project where they've got
their own chain they do live events you know that they do a lot more than just a profile picture
and then you've got others that are simply just profile pictures that look cool
which is great i mean if you like it i'm not gonna i'm not gonna tell you what to buy or what not to
buy um i'm not a financial advisor in any capacity but i think it's about value so like certain
ecosystems provide value um certain ecosystems you know really kind of hone in on a particular demographic like
just women or they focus on um ex-military service personnel so that you know and it helps people to
find their people and that's where the value is so i mean not all projects are created equal
in my opinion i think that you know that i think some provide more value than others for sure yeah that's a that's a fantastic point yeah i was thinking so myself i mean i think i'm going to be
dripping in sweat on the no name thing but uh it's gonna happen but um it's hard not to like
you said at times and it's totally fine especially if it's a positive thing it's totally cool
but but yeah um i think that's a good point that you made about you know like
where projects start and where they finish and where the space starts and where it finishes.
I think it is interesting to kind of see how the space grows and what elements of the space grows.
And I think the challenge, I suppose, and again, I'm not a professional either and nothing I say is financial advice and everything we speak about is for educational purposes only.
I say it's financial advice and everything we speak about is for educational purposes on it.
I feel that the challenge I suppose is how the space is perceived to people outside of the
industry. I think that is probably where a lot of opinion on that question is probably formed
because some people might only see a certain segment of it and have a liking or disliking
to it for that reason.
So I suppose it is quite a challenging one
at the earlier stages, but I think as time passes
and more value and use case and tooling
and connectivity plays out,
the more depth people will see the industry has,
depending on what projects and ecosystems. yeah i think the future is is
really really bright i think there's so much possibility that it can tap in i feel to probably
in some capacity every industry i just think where it's at the moment more time is needed for
education for people to learn for cyber security reasons i think there's been so much
security around the web 2 space on regards of what happens if things go wrong that it puts a lot of
risk in the web 3 element because as everyone in this space will probably know that you know if
things go wrong sometimes it's irreversible and you've kind of just got to recover from it outside
of the outside of the incident so yeah it's a really good question that's it
and um while bacon brought up the topic of the motivators that was also really um speculative
at one point you know land was going for a lot of money. I was wondering what you guys think about the future of the Matavases.
Yeah, another brilliant question.
And I think the same.
I think it's very prosperous potential.
I think virtual worlds can bring massive value,
again, depending on the use case.
But I think it's really exciting to see like again to name no
names but there's certain ecosystems that have utilized it for amazing reasons educational
purposes helping you know bring education to people in a way that's very visual which is much better on many reasons outside of
paper and books you know so I think for that side of it and many other utility versions as well I
think it's got huge potential but I also when I first started to learn about the metaverse I just
in my mind I imagined like a globe and then people would
accumulate land on that globe until that globe was all acquired and then it's a case of like what
people build as well so i think i think there's huge potential and i'm surprised there hasn't been
um more engagement in that area i know it's kind of fluctuated and it's not exactly like
popping right now but i do think that that's probably one of the sides of the space i think
will be the most enjoyable just so what experiences that can be created from the metaverse so
yeah again the question so you've touched on the thing that i want to talk about um so with the metaverse, I feel like it's too segregated.
So you've got this thing over here with this many people,
this thing over here with this many people, this thing over here.
And then you've got like, you know, big multinational corporations
with their metaverses and things.
So I just kind of feel like the problem with the metaverse
and the adoption of the metaverse is it's spread too thin it's spread too thin um so there's only
a finite amount of people that are going to be like geeking out on this stuff right so if you
take you know a million people and you and you spread them equally over, I don't know, a hundred different spaces, there's only a few thousand people in each space.
So I think the problem with the adoption of the metaverse is, number one, there's not enough people here.
And number two, it's too segregated.
There's some people over here.
There's some people over there.
And it doesn't
make for a good experience i think i think what we i think what we're waiting for with the metaverse
is a is a real outstanding um brand that becomes a household name like like your fortnights or
things like that where that is the place you know so like with fortnite in particular
it's um it captured a huge amount of the of the gamers from casual gamers to experienced gamers
to hardcore gamers to children and adults and everything in between i think that that kind of like really
solidified this solidified itself as a brand um because it captured so many people and when you
kind of catch so many people there's a bit of fomo involved but it's like well all the people
are over there so maybe that's where we should be um yeah there are metaverses that we have
personally you have
utilized for things like musical concerts and things like that and yeah it's great because
it's easy access and the barriers entry is super super low but it's kind of poo like it's it's
really not that amazing because the the the the the this this limitations as to as to what can be created by
the individual within these environments so i kind of feel like with the metaverse it's difficult
because there aren't many people here and the people that are here are spread across
so many different spaces that it's it's difficult to get any kind of uh meaningful traction yeah i
think as well it's like you know it all depends on people's expectations as well doesn't it i think
early on before and then let's just say a metaverse because it can be a world of worlds per se
i think it's clear to say that the the a world where more worlds can be created is absolutely appealing especially to the younger
generations and developers but i think really early on before there's been many things built
there's no real structure to a world where it's like you know there's worlds over here that have
done this
yeah Are there any real advantage because, I mean, we own a lot of this land, like we know someone who who's just built some land and they've made quite a bit of
money out of it and they didn't have to buy any land yeah no that's a good question um i think
from from a holder perspective i think there's huge potential in i think the two things i think about is one side from having the asset itself you can really
do lots of amazing things with it and that can in itself add value to it or attention to it but then
i think the flip side is let's say you have a piece of land and it's really appealing and there's a lot of attention to it how much risk is there to what the universe
who the who owns the universe do you know what i'm saying if you build a world in a universe
and you're not the owner of the universe but you are the owner of the world
how safe is what you've created that's one of the things i have to think about what's your thoughts on that yeah i think i think you're right um with things like nfts you can create this kind of
fractionalized ownership um of these spaces um but my concern with that is it did it does still
have some central entity to it because
somewhat someone's got to be hosting the that that space someone needs to be hosting that
um so there is that kind of like that single point of failure so like you could have a very large
multinational brand decide that they want to dip their feet into the metaverse um create nfts to
allow people to have fractionalized ownership of these spaces um and then ultimately later on down
the line going yeah we're not going to do that um so then you kind of get left holding the bag
like you you're you kind of get left behind you know you've got this this nft that has a claim of
ownership of land but if the if the the world where that land resides is no longer supported
no longer hosted then that nft you have now no longer has any value um you're not able to build
out the world you have and the world you did have no longer exists and that that is a
problem um and i can't honestly see a techie solution um for for it by like maybe hosting
servers yourself and stuff like that i guess i guess that could work too but that is a simple
solution if you am sorry to interrupt but it's interesting can i hi i'm retro
yeah because because when you're talking about um you know ownership you bought nft and it's a
ownership of some land so the nft you know from uh if the land respects it you automatically sign you know like the deal there
not you know like digital and and crypto there but uh the crypto contract will be the middle contract
because it's accepted in this moment and right you know like or lord do not um
this moment and write you know like or law do not um uh how do you say get back so um judge you back
so if you change the law you cannot judge someone you know like before so it's easy solution you
bought something nft you nft is your your proof so they accept it in the graph they give you like i don't know the paper you need for the ownership
not crypto involved you know what i mean so it's easy
but it's more the point that if you have an nft that gives you a a a claim for a space a digital space within a particular uh old ecosystem and that ecosystem
no longer just decides to support the that world um your land now has no meat you can't do anything
with the land because it's no longer by that central authority it depends what what will
happen with the digital space you
know what i mean if if the digital space will be left behind maybe there will be someone who
will gather the space you know like pick it up and and your paper will still be worth something
just like dragging yeah right now in in many cases so the the most important thing is to build ecosystem you know like to be
more sure of it but it's not the problem to get more normies or more people we just have to wait
a bit i guess right now we are all like i like 40 50 30 something everyone has like children, 15, 40, I don't know, 11.
Yeah, they play, you know, like much and etc.
But there will be like thousands in the five years or 10 years.
We don't have to worry about the traction or people getting in here.
They will be getting in here.
We need to make something, you know that something fun something
you know like not only that they will come and see what we need a fortnight moment we we need
our fortnight moment that's that's that's what's lacking um we need that adoption to a single place
um but you touched on something as well which was something i was actually going to lead on to where um if you have these let's say failed projects because i guess it
could be considered a failed project um you know you may have someone that someone else that sees
that as opportunity they're building their own ecosystem um with you know fractionized nfts and
blah blah and they can say well look if you have one of these nfts from this particular contract
well we'll honor that because you guys got you got you guys got done dirty and we'll give you
a new home so i could definitely see you know the the opportunist going well look these guys
have been wronged we have an opportunity to make things right and bring those people into into our world um and allow them to continue the things that they wanted to do originally but now with us and then we're not going to let them down mentality yeah so yeah bro and i think like it's being built is quite a long time and i think some of the audience will agree that that that stability or you know like
something you know like to be certain of is being built uh and uh and there are like proof also on
it but i i think it's more fun we need fun to the space for real and this would be like maybe the fortnight moment uh
i think as well in order to bring people into this thing we need to have a seamless normie experience
so let's say i have an nft that i purchased to own this this land well you know the general user
should just be able to log in with a um a google account or an iCloud account or a Microsoft account
to be able to participate and then the technology allows us to set up a cryptocurrency wallet on
the back end um which is you know not necessarily self-custody but it is you know obviously related
to that email address and you can obviously make it solely um managed by that particular email
address and that uses inputs and you know the user can actually you know sign transactions
as if it were you know a web3 product but the normies don't realize that it is a um
the normies don't realize that it is a um um a web three yeah i was just gonna say i always imagined
and i don't know why but i always imagine like let's just just to make it make sense for everyone
else because i do explain things weird but let's imagine a rainbow and let's say someone who just
joins you know let's just say they start off in the the the yellow category this category you're safe everything's
free there's no transactions you're just in environments you know experiencing things
and then if you want to i don't know take ownership of something or get an asset or you know acquire
something then it's like right you're now about to enter this zone this zone comes with responsibility
you've now got to be responsible for A, B and C.
So these are the things you must know. And then sort of like as it gets deeper, whether you go
into a developer section or you want to accumulate assets or environments or, you know, launch
projects, then you enter this zone and this zone requires this sort of thing so that people have
got a better understanding of kind of like where they are and what that means and like what lies
with them and what doesn't. It's kind of, i think it's so complex right now that you know even
people have been around for a long time still don't have the full understanding of of how to
stay safe or what's required and sometimes you can even follow all the steps necessary to be safe and
still be at risk so i think it is quite complex at the minute i think you're right there doesn't need to be a seamless experience it's just how how that is depends i suppose yes
a seamless normal experience um us web3 guys would be fine we're fine to go in there and
connect our wallet and you know uh claim some sort of nft um as like a membership to the platform um but like
i do see the opportunity for other brands to go hey you know these guys were done dirty um you
know let's tap into that i mean you see it with like crypto airdrops and stuff like we're not okay
with with certain projects and what they'll do is they will give
tokens to people that previously participated in other ecosystems in order to get their attention
um so i i qualified for many airdrops because i had interacted with protocols previously
um that qualified for these claims for these tokens um and some of them were
like you know everyday type you know billions of users type uh type places um well let's say
hundreds of millions of users maybe billions yeah let's say billions i reckon there's probably
billions of users users on a particular particular thing i'm thinking of. So the fact that I was an early adopter of these technologies
means that I've qualified for these airdrops, for these other brands,
because they can see the fact that there are a whole bunch of diehard Web3 people over there.
And if you can tap into that, they can become your diehard community.
They can be your diehard people within your ecosystem, potentially,
because you know that they're already halfway there by being diehard Web3
because they've been here for four years.
Yeah, that's fine.
I know you said before, Bacon, that you think eardrops are dead,
but with the current market, current market do you think that
they might make a comeback to attract people in no the problem is is there's too many people here
so like it was great when i could make tens of thousands of pounds from interacting with these
protocols because i could put in minimal effort and make like maximum reward but now there are so
many more participants and there are people in
third world countries are now caught on to the fact that they can use their electronic devices
to interact with things to earn money that can sustain them and their family so there are too
many people now so if you've got um you know a certain amount of tokens and they're distributed
to a thousand so you've got a million
tokens distributed to a thousand people everybody's rich if you've got a million tokens distributed to
a million people no one's getting rich you know so it's it's kind of like uh it's it's it's now
so much more watered down um and there's also they've added a lot it used to be really easy to to get these airdrops
it'll be like make a swap provide liquidity um make a trade um you know you know really simple
stuff but now it's like oh you need you need to do this uh this uh a quest you've got to go like
the twitter account join their discord join their telegram um you know uh retweet this this tweet um and and then
that's before you've even interacted with any of the other things and now it's kind of like it
become like a farming exercise um you've also got the other thing as well where i could set up 20
different wallets to do a swap and and claim the goodies you know back in the back in the day you
set up 10 wallets click swap on every single one of them great you you now got a check and you you you know could
potentially claim possibly maybe a retroactive um airdrop maybe possibly but you do that on the
speculation that there maybe possibly will be um and if you do you participated 10 times if everyone
gets so everyone that swaps gets a thousand pounds a thousand dollars
right well if you did 10 wallets you've now got 10 grand in 10 different wallets so people are
starting people have cottoned on to the to the airdrop thing so it's harder to get those kind
of really good airdrops although there was one in particular i'm not quite a name in the names um but they are um a sort of
it's a technology stack basically um it does it can facilitate a lot um for web web2 needs using
web3 technology basically but it also works like a classic blockchain with like swaps and transactions and all sorts of you know contract things in the middle
um but the that airdrop was given to the people that claimed these airdrops from like four
like four or five years ago um so it meant that you couldn't farm it because you would have had
to have been around four or five years ago in order to get there were other ways to claim as well but like it was more like you had to go um the people that were earliest
that's retro specs those guys are already in it so if you know that there are that there's an
airdrop coming and you can you're gonna you want to farm that um but it's too late because by the
time they've already announced it that participation has already been accounted for there would obviously be other ways to claim as well but
those kind of airdrops i i love those kind of airdrops um there haven't been as many as i
think there should have been from a first perspective because i want more goodies um
but yeah i mean i i i i would like to see more of those like OG type claims.
So there's a particular Penguin company
that used token after having NFTs.
And the claim for that was own one of the NFTs
or do a swap on this on this protocol
or provide liquidity on that swap protocol.
So I managed to claim some tokens, not a lot.
I mean, it would pay for a night out for you, or provide liquidity on that swap protocol so i managed to claim some tokens not a lot i mean it
would pay for a night out for you your missus your two kids for dinner and a drink at the pub after
but ultimately that was free stuff um you know that's free that's things that i got free and
it's because i was an og now i something you know if you had one of the NSTs,
you've got loads of money.
But they managed to capture a wider audience
by catering to the old guys,
to the old school guys,
the guys that have been around for a bit.
Because they're the guys that are going to be active
because they were active four years ago.
And imagine how active they are now.
Yeah, that's interesting.
Great question, by the way way and a brilliant answer i um i just want to quickly dive over to megalodon i've
seen megalodon is in the space on the stage and a shout out to everyone that's here as well
listening thank you to everyone that's here thank you to everyone that's listening back um megalodon
happy saturday sir how are we brother happy saturday guys i appreciate you both hosting it's uh amazing to be in a space where you can
talk about rainbows it's i don't know how you drop that in there but that was fantastic
i gotta i gotta work that one in myself somewhere that's brilliant and i'm enjoying the conversation
as well it's been nice just having a little bit of a listen see where everyone's going with it
and what everyone's thoughts are so far yeah yeah appreciate that bro and uh yeah and you know the more people that get involved and talk
talk about it and talk with us um you know the uh the better perspective i think we can get from a
wider group as well so appreciate you coming up and appreciate retrospect coming up and giving
your take as well we appreciate that and uh you know great questions as well z and phenomenal
answers there bacon you've really had me thinking about different things and and and that's it it's
interesting isn't it to kind of see um you know where things benefit when they don't and what
pivots could be possible to help preserve the things that work but I think the space is still so early um that it kind of makes certain
things tricky of what you wish to see like I remember having one conversation with someone
about an ecosystem and some of the things that would really help weren't possible because there
weren't yet enough people participating to make that necessary change that would make things easier.
So it's interesting to kind of see where things are
and how things could be later down the line as well.
So, yeah, definitely a great question and a great answer there, Bacon.
But, yeah, I think all in all um i think one of the things that's
been really helpful and i'm i don't know if it's the same for everyone please tell me if it is or
isn't one of the things i'm enjoying seeing more of is people are willing to help people learn about how to do things where to do things
when to do things that seems that i think that's going to be a key element i could be wrong but i
think you know there's been many communities that we've come through or come past or learned about
where the education element is the forefront just to help people get a better understanding and
I think what may be tough in the future is how much people are willing to learn or how much time
people are willing to put in but one of the responses I once got in a different conversation
that was really interesting is about you don't have to understand everything to utilize something
and I think that's kind of been something that that
really opened my eyes actually because that's one of the things that I've felt in IRL when I've
spoke to people in person about just web3 in general is the first response to guess oh I don't
understand it whereas that's the point that you know you don't have to understand it all to
entertain the idea of looking into it but that's kind of like where I felt my experience has kind of been the most.
So I suppose what I'm kind of getting around to is what do you think the world would need to see or experience to kind of feel as if there isn't this massive amount of knowledge you must acquire to enter the space or on the
flip side what can the people that are here with experience can do to help smooth that process
honestly i think people they're going to have to learn um you know there are solutions like
i mentioned earlier um with the logins and the wallets um you know there are solutions like i mentioned earlier um with the logins and the wallets
um you know wallet generation through through email addresses because yeah that just makes
total sense that's a way to onboard normies uh in a way that they don't realize they're using it
um but i think it's difficult because because it there there is a certain level of complexity
to the space i mean it is actually a lot more simple than people realize
because people kind of get blinded by like all of the jargon,
you know, UTXOs and mempools and blockchains
and private keys and public keys and hashes
and transactions and transaction fees and gas you
know there's all these things that people don't know about and i think that that is the barrier
on but i think people are going to have to learn you know but they're only going to learn if they
want to there's so many people in my life that as soon as i mentioned anything
relevant uh to the conversation about crypto they just roll their eyes because they're like oh god
oh that thing i don't understand and that they put people are scared to learn about it because
they think it's way more complex than it actually is that's the problem people think that it's far
more complex than it actually is and that's that's the roadblock um but i mean i
guess the question was how do we fix it yeah because i mean i think holders have it rough
in many ways i mean i think i think it's just a it's very volatile right across the board isn't it
um but i think you're right people do have to learn and i think that was probably one of the
most fundamental learning lessons in my experience
has been being accountable for everything that you do, every decision that you make,
even if, you know, because I think a lot of the time early on, people may feel, you know,
let's just use the word influenced and they may make a decision based off of that and it may work
out, it may not. And if it doesn't, sometimes they feel they've kind of been duped in some way sometimes they have um well probably a lot of
times they have but i think you get what i'm what i'm saying i think what kind of seems to help from
the experience where i've seen people have been you know stung a few times and you kind of take
it in the stride you know they recuperate and they move forward is you know they kind of take that
hit as you know i made a bad decision and that seems to help them move forward but sometimes that can make it quite
difficult so i think because it's been tough right across the board it kind of it's kind of hard for
people to kind of say oh come to this come to this place it's really good it's got a lot of value
which it is and it has but also there's also a lot of risk and a lot of things people need to learn
and it's like a really different viewpoint that they have to have than what
they've ever had before if if if they haven't been in a space like it so
i know i'm not contributing towards how you answer that question by the way it was just
something i was thinking about yeah so i mean like what is the solution um i guess the solution is is making it as easy as
possible for people to get past that initial mental roadblock that they create for themselves
because they're like ah it's too complex um you know without realizing that all they have to do is
beat two eggs add salt and pepper and fry it um i mean
it's pretty easy um but if you don't know what a frying pan and egg um and bread is and you don't
know you don't know what the hell you're doing do you know what i mean so i think it's a case of
like getting people to realize it is as easy as making a fryer a egg is it is that easy you just need to know what the spatula is
in this game because the spatula may be the most important part of it all if not the egg
um so yeah i don't know it's a case of just like making it really really easy that that's the trick is to make it easy yeah no i agree with you there i do see we have
miss evie on the stage as well evie i hope you are well happy saturday how are you doing happy
saturday hey y'all i'm uh traveling this weekend i'm with the kids i'm here with my niece right now we're doing we're crafting but how's everyone doing
i have a question um how did you get your hands on percy pigs miss evie i don't remember sending
you any percy pigs i mean i i i feel kind of hurt but please explain and the kids are definitely
waiting for a box of uh bacon's Bits. But for some reason,
they were in the Valentine's section at Target,
and I paid like $6 or something a bag.
Something crazy.
I mean, they are the way to a woman's heart, apparently.
Yep.
I don't know if you can confirm or deny that.
Kate busted into those bad boys last night.
She was not waiting.
So we definitely got to get a new,
we got to talk about another box pretty soon.
So I'm guessing that when she opened it,
she basically opened it from the middle
and tore it all the way down.
So now you have no choice but to eat the entire packet.
Am I correct?
Of course.
Would you expect anything else from her?
Absolutely not.
Absolutely not. I saw those pictures pictures earlier the little look on her
face like you can see she she's happy like she's so happy yeah and it was like gift time is over
she has her perfect pigs so that's all she cared about bless her that's awesome well thank you for being here and uh hope they enjoy their evening
yeah we're having fun it's a beautiful day down here yeah bacon's gonna have to uh make sure he
keeps it clean even more so than before but you've been doing a great job so far bacon so well played
thank you i appreciate that let's go but yeah i mean and just to tie this back into web3 is what's kind
of been amazing about it is how the difference it feels in the utilization of social media
and how people have been able to connect with each other how you know communities have formed how collaborations have
happened um and how i suppose you know movements have been formed and and prospered has been through
you know the use of social media and like for me for example i'm so used to the web three way
of utilizing social media the web two just kind of feels really unusual um you know and what what
i mean by like if anyone isn't sure is like you know like if you use social media in your everyday
life you might show pictures of you know your food or your dogs or you might you know you might
have acquired something and you post a picture about it but in web 3 people are kind of utilizing
it because they either want to participate in something advocate for something or becoming
something and it's kind
of been a really refreshing thing to see. You know, people are on a journey to kind of like,
you might build a brand or a business or have a project or a cause. And it's been kind of amazing
to kind of see that and see how people are able to come together for, you know, find some common
ground in some form or another and kind of make something of value with it.
Because I think that's one of the great things
that we've kind of seen, isn't it, with Web3,
is that you can kind of create value
from little to no financial value added
to make something meaningful or provide a solution
or education in some form or something of value
back to other people.
And that's kind of been really good to see.
So, you know, que lo siga. Pero en retrospecto, ¿estás en el edificio, señor?
Sí, claro, es hora, ¿no?
Creo que es hora, creo que si pudieras tocar una canción muy buena, si puede ser I think if you could play us a nice song, if it can be child-friendly for Evie's nieces and nephews, that would be awesome.
And then, yeah, we'll have a nice little room reset if anyone hasn't already and would be happy to share the space, would appreciate that.
And then we'll reconvene in just a couple of minutes after being blown away by Retrospect's amazing talent.
Thank you, sir.
Okay, so stay muted, please.
Let's go
easy 9 o'clock, I feel ya Different frequency Same signal
We all a substance
Drifting in a giant mind flow
Bigger the ship, less fear when the hard winds blow
Coord intention, I bring my people aboard
Ship of souls locked together, no need for a sword
Many hands make light work, many minds think deep
We build solid foundations before the madness creeps
You never really know how the next wind will bend
So we hold on tight and create to the end
Not a role, just a vibe
Smoke in the air, still we drive time tells all, but we move right now, no retreat, only choice in our collective creation.
That's the goal we live, I make a part of the whole, that's the way I get, we move as many, not one shadow alone, live in the ecosystem, turned sparks into stone, flow like epho
God's form in reality, true creator energy
Bonding mentality when the dark gives out
We say steady and shift, night boxing me on that eternal trip
Sometimes it feels true, like the path found me
I sense what is coming, though I still can't see
A creative soul follows where the raw pulse goes
Real magic lives where nobody fully knows Consistency opens doors This world is coming though I still can't see A creative soul follows where the raw pulse goes
Real magic lives where nobody fully knows
Consistency opens doors, learn something everyday
Back at work, quiet proofs still paving away
We build it where most don't look that invisible frame
Our gallery in the signal fire without fame
Not a myth, not luck, built from grit, not from hype or a buck
Life is life till we answer the call, even if projects fade, the people stand tall.
Collective creativity, that's the goal we live, I make them part of the whole, that's the way I hear, we move as many, not one shadow alone, live in equal systems, turn its parts into stone, flow like ether Thoughts forming reality, true creator energy, bonding mentality
When the dark is out, we stay steady and shift
Night fox and me on that eternal drift
Empire falls last if the spirit stays fed
Ashes of gold, we keep fire in the head
Not about a logo, not about a name
It's the souls in the ship that remember the flame
All years, all years, all the decades in tone
I follow my flow till it builds its own throne
Many roads, one pulse, and we both know the script
Two minds, one current on the same starship
Like the creativity engine in the mist
Soulbound builders in a world like this
Foundation first, then we leave, then we live
Life parks in me on that eternal drill
We move as many, we rise as one through the cold
Through the storm, through the dark, through the sun
No regrets, no retreat, just a will to create
If our soul's still moving and we never break
Easy now, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa
Easy now, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa oh
time tells all
yeah let's go that was a legendary thank you so much respect we appreciate you sir
where's the fire emoji where's the fire emoji you need the fire emoji yeah i know right where is the
fire emoji oh yeah I really enjoyed that.
It sounds like, it sounds familiar.
Do you know what I mean?
It sounds like comfortable.
I don't know.
Maybe this is me.
I like it. We can play another one and we can see if another one will be also collected.
see if another one will be also
Like this, you know, it'll be a great idea if you were to create two different
Tokens for each of those songs so people could vote for their favorite that would be a really cool concept
Anyway, please continue. It is a concept like this bro. It's all good you're only talking about the music stuff we're not talking about
anything in particular so it's it's many we could talk about the idea so let's go with another song
who who's for it let's do it let's play another song and then the next topic of discussion so if anyone wants to come
up or participate it's going to be playing play to earn ecosystem so have a think about that
we'll play another song then we'll dive in and we'll keep the show rolling retrospect thank you
hit that let's go Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, a word you throw into the air Founders, builders, those who lift the crew
Those who hold the line when the market turns blue
Hot, jury, and nice, headset, glow on the desk
Dreams in the signal, courage in the chest
He said, I got the spark, but you got the frame
Batman and Robin building up the game
I'm not about flex, not about fame
Just people finding courage in the digital way
Step to the mic, don't hide the tone People finding courage in a digital one
Step to the mind, don't hide the tone Where three voices never sing alone
From Legos Knights to Empire City Light
Different skies, same signal in the night
Step to the stage, break the cocoon
Every shy voice finds rhythm soon
Retro leads and a young one joins
Turning quiet, listening, earning the noise
I'll sing first just to warm the room
So the quiet islands finally bloom
No talking talk, no project bid
Just human vibes in a blockchain switch
NFT winners slowly fade away
Builders still standing at the end of the day
Three communities deep
But the road feels wide
Full-time webinar in the Heidi Labs
Retro Junior when I jump in the show
The crowd gets moving and the energy grows
Not chasing crowds, not chasing trends
Just opening doors for the shyest friends
Different flats, different zone
But the same beat travels through headphones
If courage is rare, then let it be known
Tonight the quiet voice is on the throne
Step to the mind born yeah we ready let's go retrospect thank you very much appreciate you broske if anyone loves his
music definitely check him out check out drop a follow to him check out his other songs this man
has made so many amazing music and if you also want someone to add some amazing vibes to your spaces,
definitely check him out.
So that being said, we will dive into the next segment of The Space.
First of all, thank you to everyone who's here.
Thank you to everyone listening in.
And thank you to everyone that may listen back to The Space later on as well.
We appreciate you.
Of course, this is all for educational purposes only.
We just want to spark and facilitate the
conversation about different elements of the space the pros the cons the good the bad the
could be's the could not be's and everything in between so that being said the next thing we
wanted to kind of touch on and unpack a little bit without naming any names of course the only
rule name no names is play to earn applications now i don't don't know if Zee, you want to hop in there first
and ask anything or touch on anything,
but you are free to do so, sir.
Well, we talked about the Matterverse earlier
and Bacon brought up Fortnite.
You know, that'd be a way to drag an ecosystem
and to make the Matterverse more successful i was wondering with the play to
in do you think there'll ever be a game like gta it's not a project it's just a game so i can
mention it yeah yeah that's right um do you reckon they'll have a bring in a well maybe not gta but
a game like gta would bringunenner play to win game?
Yeah, that's a really good question, actually.
So well done for asking that.
And I think with these kind of things, I think where the grey area sits
is what the rules and regulations are and what category that falls into.
I think because there's a lot of things in play a lot
of rules and regulations and laws i suppose and i guess there's different laws in different
regions and different parts of the world i think there's so many factors around it i think that's
probably why it's not been brought to fruition yet but i personally think there is huge potential
there and i do think that if there was
you know let's just take a game for example with its own native currency for the assets within the
game i think that would be really prosperous i mean to think of like the secondary market you
know i think if people were able to kind of have that element to it as well but then i suppose it
comes down to the rules as well um because i think if i remember riley and correct me if i'm wrong
i'm sure there was some games where they had loot boxes and people were trying to find certain
things but it came to it came so extreme for some people who was really trying to find certain
things that they all i think i don't
know if they did or it was considered as almost gambling so it kind of fell into this gray area
of should this be allowed and should it not and if so should there be a major restriction yeah
they banned that so there were a bunch of games that had to completely change the way they did
their loot boxes for that particular audience to be able to still have a
game in so i'm kind of wondering if you know because i i mean i don't know if it's the same
for you or for anyone else that you know anyone please come up please ask questions if you want
if you have any questions or is anything you want to add and you don't want to come up and speak
you're welcome to either drop in the comments at a space or you can dm me personally as well if you
wish and if you want to
be anonymous and i'm more than happy to kind of touch on something say something or respond to
something that you want to stay anonymous with as well um so yeah i think um i think it feels like
there's a lot of you know bigger players in the web 2 world per se that you would expect to kind
of be very present
in this space that aren't that make me wonder if are they waiting for rules and regulations
you'd think fortnite would be the perfect like for that right yeah an ecosystem like that yeah
well that's why that's why i brought up gta because of obviously the assets and all on it, that you could potentially own, you know.
You know, I guess for something like GTA, you could have all the cars,
the planes, and all that stuff could be individual entities
and have a secondary marketplace that you could sell them on.
Like, why not, you know, and let's make sure that the developers
get their slice from that transaction and all.
Make sure that the team are developers get this this life from that transaction i know and make sure
make sure that the the team are getting their bit on that and then that can help to sustain
um you know future updates and build an extra team you know yeah i suppose it will come down
to like you know like where do you draw the lines you know what framework would need to be in place
to make it you know safe for kids because you know i mean i suppose with any value anywhere
at any time changes the whole dynamics doesn't it whether there's there's a risk to people you know
like let's just take a kid at school might have a really good account certain things you know might
play on his laptop that could make him uh you know a target so to speak and then you're looking at
also like what what what are people learning you know like how is, so to speak. And then you're looking at also, like, what are people learning?
You know, like, how is this shaping the younger generation
through the games that are being played, you know?
So I suppose there's probably a lot of elements to it.
But you can already buy game currency and use a casino.
Yeah, that's right.
You can, yeah.
You are right i'm just kind of looking at it from you know
why aren't more people talking about it really or tapping into it you'd think that that would
be a talking point because that's what i often think about but just to tie that back into um
you know into holders what what what experience would that look like for
the holders i suppose there's probably a lot they would have to learn again you know i into holders. What experience would that look like for the holders?
I suppose there's probably a lot they would have to learn again.
You know, I think it's the same thing, isn't it?
I think it kind of circles back to education experience
and helping people learn how to make that a safe environment
or how to help them learn how to tap into an ecosystem like that, I suppose.
But, yeah, yeah make fire away my
friend thank you i know you're talking more about kind of like your your mainstream games and how
to implement web free with them but on the kind of topic of web free gaming and play to earn gaming
um there's a couple of things that strike my mind the first is that there needs to be a
realistic time scale for these actual just web free games um because it takes a long time to
build a game and it takes a lot of resources so i think people often get very um kind of fed up
waiting because they don't always understand how long it can take with what resources they have
and the second thing is that
in the argument you always hear about web free gaming is great you can own your own skins you
can sell and trade them on the marketplace for cryptocurrency etc that's the argument you always
hear but what a lot of web free games miss in my opinion i'm not i don't have the answer to it
is they don't make that good of a game to begin with you need to
build kind of you need to have a game that people really want to play and have in my opinion and have
the utility of web 3 as an addition to that and uh whether that be a web free native game or
whether that be you know a web 2 game with that in that's the way i kind of view it i think they've kind of put the
um cart before the horse in some ways and gone right this is what web free can do because
there's always been web free games yeah um yeah i think you're right though
yeah sorry i didn't mean to cut you off there bro but i was just gonna agree with you on that i
think building no i was kind of finishing out of it do you agree
is is that yeah yeah no absolutely controversial no absolutely i do agree because it kind of like
where does it fall into the category of farming you know if it's if you know are people playing
the game because they enjoy it and they want to accumulate to kind of play more or are they just
trying to accumulate an asset as easy as possible i mean not that that matters of course i don't have
any opinion on either or but just looking at it from that perspective i think yeah i think you're right
it would take a lot to kind of build a thriving game that taps into this space in that way
with longevity so i think you've you've made a good point there i was wondering maybe um something like gta could have um glitch exploits do you mean
and that that could affect people's real currency
yeah that's a good point as well actually i think i think you're right if it's tight if it's yeah if
it's tied in in the web 3 world like that then that yeah there could be a risk of that that's a good point
and and and as well you know i suppose maybe maybe the gaming world is looking at it from
if it ain't broken don't fix it kind of mindset you know maybe if there's no need or there's not
a big enough want for that yet then there's no reason for them to
Change what's already working. So I suppose there is that side of it as well, but uh, no, it's a great question that's a and
I suppose they already only answer so why would they want to give them to the customers to own? Yeah
Yeah
Well, it's a bit like the founder of ethereum isn't it who well i'm not
too cleared up on it but i believe he played the world of warcraft and lost all his assets
overnight wasn't that the inspiration for him to kind of like build ether
i actually didn't know that so that's awesome not that i lost anything of course i just
just not knowing that i'm now knowing that yeah i've got a post i'll um i've got it somewhere
bookmarked i'll put it in the comments yeah that's interesting i think you know i i do i do love that
side of this space when you can speak to people and find out you
know like where'd you come from why you're doing it you know i feel it can kind of sometimes help
paint a bit of a better picture in your mind of you know where they're going with something
but i know that's another another great question that um but i also saw that um vv sniper came up
on the stage as well um happy saturday nice to meet you the space is for
holders to give a perspective of the market and things that happen in the space from a holder's
perspective the only rule we have is that we're naming no names just so that everyone can freely
participate in the conversation from whatever angle from a constructive criticism perspective
if it's not always a positive or an in favour.
So happy Saturday.
How are we doing?
I don't know if you can hear me or not there, VV sniper.
VVS sniper, sorry. can anyone else um hear that i can't hear them
um again getting nothing unfortunately
yeah i'm my uh my space is lagging out a little bit so even when i mute myself on my screen i'm
still unmuted uh i see four speakers on stage though revolution myself retro z that's it
everyone else is a listener apparently yes spaces do seem to kind of bug out like that sometimes
for some reason hopefully it's still all right for everyone listening and uh everyone on stage but uh but yeah that's a it's a really
good angle to look at that because i think i think with some ecosystems or some elements of the space
it is interesting to kind of see you know is always the purpose something has been built is its main use case
i find that really interesting you know like for example someone might make a tool for a specific
reason but it serves a different purpose in a different way and then i suppose you've got to
look at can this be exploited and how and i think ai is probably the best example of that imaginable
with how open that is for what's possible how it's utilized who utilizes it
you know how it's created in the first place i think there's so much depth to
so many things you know it's one of those things where when people say that people
are early they're kind of on the money with that
yeah fire away there meg so glad you mentioned um ai there because i was wondering when you're
going to mention it um because obviously it's a holder space you spoke about at the beginning
about you know what i suppose you could my interpretation of what it means to be a holder
and for me i view it that there's lots of different projects lots of different things for different
people so it's even though web3 in itself is kind of a little bit niche with the projects,
there are still niches.
And there's projects for everybody that are different,
and that's exactly how it should be because that's free choice.
But one of the things that did come up was PFP projects.
I know we've had, you know, Bakers have any issues with X, which I've had before.
The space still seems to work, but it's just pretty weird on your screen.
So X is kind of like smothering the algorithm.
If you don't post what they want to post, it doesn't get seen.
So the question to you is with AI, we can all make our own PFP pictures now.
Do you think that's kind of like, do you think that's diminished the art aspect
to specifically nft projects
i mean i guess so that's a really good question actually um because i've actually often thought
about that um and i do have an answer for me is there something you want to add in there first bacon
yeah well the way i looked at that when it came to like ai and its use case or what because of
course it's really provided a lot of value to people in certain ways for many reasons of course
as everyone knows whether it to be to you know do the mundane things to create things you can't
as everyone knows whether it to be to you know do the mundane things to create things you can't
you know bridge gaps in certain places um i was often thinking about like what does this mean for
you know certain things or people who you know i don't know let's take an artist for example
you know usually being an artist meant you could you had a skill that not many people had and you
would need an artist to create certain things, for example.
But when I was thinking about it, one of the things I couldn't stop thinking about was it made me feel like it, in some senses, it may take away from how often, I don't know, you might utilize an artist if there's a way you can do it in a different or quicker or whatever way i kind of felt it would also make it a more of a premium thing if it was done by a person who was an artist like for example if you used ai to make a song or if you was a singer
the fact that it was from a singer gives it that extra essence of value but i suppose just thinking about it more right now
it depends on how that is for you know there may be an artist that would be booked out at lots of
venues to play certain songs and then they may not get booked out as often because people are
making their own songs kind of thing so i suppose it's a double-edged sword really but yeah i kind
of felt that it would highlight that there's a difference in someone having a skill or utilizing
something that could provide something similar so yeah that's a it is a really tricky one that but
definitely a a good conversation to have now you won't remember this rev because you're way too
young but in the 80s there were these in the 90s there were these bands and graham's gonna laugh
i'm gonna say this uh they used to mime used to do live performances and mime and they probably still do it to be honest
but yeah there was quite some famous ones that got caught out eventually and it was all fake so
i don't know where that goes with the analogy but what i will say is do you like my pfp
because i guarantee you i didn't buy it I just made it with AI and I'll tell
you the reason why I made it was simply because I keep flicking back to this because whatever
project I'm in somebody always says something stupid who's usually a founder and then they're
kind of like I don't really want to be a part of that project anymore so I just go back to
go back to the one i made myself and i'm kind of securing it you know what i mean
the one I made myself and I'm kind of secure in it you know what I mean
yeah yeah no i do like your pfp actually but uh but yeah that's that's it you know and there are
some you know projects who have done the artwork themselves and i think that that is awesome and i
think it's definitely something
that can be pointed at to kind of say this was all created by a person and i think that kind of
from my perspective that makes you look at that person and you think well these are clearly
creative they've got skill um and i think it can it can it can really add value. And I think if these tools do dilute certain things,
I think over time, looking at the way that I feel the world is going,
I think authenticity is kind of becoming more of a thing
that people are kind of looking back to.
So I think at first it may dilute things in certain areas,
and I can't speak at it from an artist's perspective because I'm not one,
but I think that how it's looking,
I think eventually people are going to start to want to support people more
and skilled people more, to be more specific.
So that's how I feel it may go.
What do you guys think?
What do you think, mate?
Do you see any value in that?
I'd hope it goes that way, to be honest with you.
I really do hope it goes that way
because what humans can create far outweighs what AI can create.
Yes, AI can create stunning pieces of work, intricately detailed,
from the depths of imagination that people can't always fathom but
there's something about what a human artist can actually produce uh which is quite beautiful
really to be honest with you uh there's another word for it and i think the appreciation of these
nfts the art being a part of it is probably what forms these communities. I do believe with web three, it's about joining a community.
So for me, it's, it's not just about one thing.
It's not just about the arts, not just about how much, you know, you're
going to get from staking your tokens.
It's, it's, it's a whole thing together.
Do you know what I mean?
The community of communities could be, it's like, could be a, I mean, you have your book, but you could be as a brand, you're a brand. Do you know what I mean the community of communities could be it's like it could be a I mean you have your book but you could be as a brand you're a brand do you know what
I mean that's why I choose to be here so for me it's all about the branding and I think
you need if you're trying to brand with AI I don't think it's going to work so I agree
I was I actually have a different view I actually think no one cares if it's AI I think
we're quite emotional and when we see something emotional we kind of enjoy it and like it and it brings something out in us that we just we just like it i personally
think
yeah that's interesting and i think i think you're kind of right really um i appreciate that you have
a different you know if you see you know if you see a video of an animal being saved and you know it's AI, but you still look at it as an animal being saved,
like the emotions still feel the same even though it's made up and fake.
It's like watching EastEnders, isn't it?
You know it's fake or one of them programs, but you still get into the story and still feel the emotions of the people you know yeah it's a good point that it is i think that's a good point you do kind of still see see it for
what it's showing you um but in my mind i don't know if it's the same for you as much as you do
still see what you're seeing you do question whether it is or isn't AI,
whether we do that because we want to be emotional
about something authentic,
or whether it's because there's been such an uprising
in what is AI,
that I think people are sort of subconsciously trying to notice
what is and what isn't.
And I think we embrace synthetic music pretty well as well, you know?
And that's not quite AI, but it's the same kind of principle.
Yeah, no, you make a good point.
It is true, you know, because there has been a lot of songs that I've heard
and I really like it.
And there's still a lot of skill behind the utilisation of these tools.
Is it as creative?
In some instances, no.
But in some sense, you know, this creativity is still at play.
And I think that's one of the things that it kind of taps into as well
in a good way is it helps provide an opportunity for people to be more creative in places they couldn't be.
But at the same time, I suppose in some senses, for the people who have that skill themselves, probably feel like it takes a lot away from, you know, they had a skill that not everyone could kind of have and that gave them something that they could build on.
So, yeah, I think you're right.
I think the majority of people would just be happy with what they see.
But then when it comes to people that do care, I think it's a bit different.
So, yeah, it's a good one.
I think there'll be a lot of mixed takes on that.
Cheers, Flazzi.
I just as well want to quickly say we have Graham Ryder in the building.
Happy Saturday, Graham.
Hope you are well, sir.
Thank you for joining.
How are we doing, sir?
Well, West Ham Drew with Man City.
I've had a few beers.
But West Ham Drew and Man City, so we're out in the relegation zone.
And I'm eating the...
I should have stayed down the pub.
I should have stayed.
I knew I should have stayed for that game.
It looked great in the first half.
One of my older best mates said, come to the Mexican, do some karaoke.
And I actually said, no, I'm going to walk home and join this space.
So, yeah, but...
So, what I say is always what I feel.
But I have had a few beers.
But effectively, you're talking about the macro, yeah?
Think about the micro.
So the macro is should AI be used, et cetera, et cetera, across the world?
Why isn't Grand Theft Auto doing play to earn and all that?
That's the macro. The micro is understand that we're in a capitalist world and people literally
punching figures and going, OK, how much are we going to get from this? So Grand Theft Auto will
never do play to earn because it doesn't benefit them. Roblox will never do play to earn because
it doesn't benefit them. Forget about all that. Literally take it out of your mind. Think about a project. Now that project
is currently head down, carrying on what they're doing. Sometimes they're head down going,
the marketing conditions ain't right. What I'm trying to say is forget about all of that.
ain't right. What I'm trying to say is forget about all of that. If you're a project and you
want a bit of attention, create a play to earn game. It's not about the earning bit. It's not
about the playing bit. It's about the attention, right? It's really important. So if you're a project and you're creating a brand, create a play to earn
game. It's, as I said before, forget about the earnings bit. Think about it as an extension of
your brand. It's more of a brand awareness. So think about the trade battles that everyone used
to have. Why don't they have trade battles now?
Just because no one's doing them.
That's fact.
So if you did it and did it in a very positive way, you're changing the narrative.
So I always look outside the box, right?
Traits on an NFT are very, very beneficial.
Most founders will follow the narrative.
And if the narrative is heads down, we're in a bear market.
Let's not talk about traits. Most founders will follow that route.
What I'm sort of encouraging is forget about all that.
Think outside the box.
Traits are a massive, massive benefit to your project.
They're a huge part of the infrastructure of any NFT project.
So when everyone's looking left, look right.
Seriously.
Because if you can create, and in a way, ignore what everyone else is doing.
Like, seriously ignore them.
So if everyone is keeping their heads down because it's a bear market,
raise your head up and do trade battles when no one's doing any.
And create a play-to-earn game. Very simple, because no one's doing any and create a play to earn game very simple because no
one's doing it go against the grain because i promise you i absolutely promise you that not
only will you be successful but you will create something that no one else is doing and don't
ever tell me that just because everyone else is doing X,
that's the right thing.
Because I'm telling you now, right now,
and over the next six to eight months,
there are so many people looking for a home.
And if you have an NFT project and you're doing trade battles
and you're doing events and you're creating fun and you're creating
community, all of those people are going to run towards you. And that's what I've got to say.
So you crack on. I'm going to carry on my little kebab, but I love you all. And that's the way it
should be. Do not do what everyone else is doing.
Do something that no one else is doing.
And I promise you, you will be head above the parapet and everyone will turn their heads.
Look at this founder space or this holder space.
No one else is doing the holder space.
Right?
Perfect example.
Only one shot now. Love you all. else is doing the holder space right perfect example anyone shut up
now love you
thank you great
and we appreciate
you and we love
you too mate I'll
pretend that that's
not the beverage
you're speaking and
I'll take that
personally and to
heart so I thank
you for that I'm glad no one lost in the football match and you're out of the personally and to heart. So thank you for that.
I'm glad no one lost in the football match.
And you're out of the relegation zone.
That's a win for you.
So love that.
And that meant he was able to come and join us tonight.
So let's go.
But no, I appreciate that.
And that's it.
I think the more conversations we're able to kind of have
and the more people are able to kind of learn or listen in um i think the more prosperous the space will become because i think it's safe to
say that with anything education comes first of course because otherwise you're not going to learn
anything and uh and in this space security should come second i mean it would come first but i
could suppose you've got to learn about it so you know having education and and cyber security be the two points in which people
are pointed to when they do want to delve deeper i think will be awesome but i think in the meantime
like bacon was saying earlier you know ease of use is going to be pivotal for the developers
of the space to kind of help make it a smoother process.
But then it's awesome to see that other holders and communities
are often helping educate people, have a better understanding.
So that's awesome.
But it is also, I feel personally, I don't know how anyone feels,
I feel personally, I don't know how anyone feels,
so please feel free to give me your view on it,
so please feel free to give me your view on it,
that sometimes it can seem hard to kind of advocate
for something so volatile when there's a lot in it, you know,
because you don't have to know everything to participate in it.
But hopefully we can get to a place in which people will be happy to learn
and just listen in to what's happening in conversations like this where people can get a better understanding
and ask questions.
So, yeah, dive in there, Meg.
I take it by volatile, you mean value-wise?
Yeah, yeah.
I kind of wrap across the board, really.
Value-wise, you know, the good and bad, the easy and hard stuff,
it's just volatile right across the board really
but yeah value value as well of course see see graham's hit on something they're very very very
much so it's about being active um yeah everyone wants to go for the big shot everyone wants to
make the be the big project and you know return as much the holders on themselves most
probably whereas a lot of holders literally are looking for active projects it doesn't have to be
really that much of an engaged community you know you have a community with like five people in it
it doesn't really matter but when you get like literal radio silence, that's never good, particularly if you've kind of like
or into that.
Yeah, absolutely.
So yeah.
And the volatility, the value thing for me, it really, it's a case of like, I
have to slightly differently is what are you buying into?
Which is you, there's always a transaction involved.
What are you buying into?
You're buying into the community of the community, give you value.
It doesn't have to be like monetary value.
Bacon touched on this before when he was about the bigger projects.
There's reasons why people have, uh, ownership of NFTs in certain projects
because they provide certain, uh, utilities or value or access that
other projects don't have.
But there's also more than that.
There's also the entertainment factor.
So for me, it's like you go buy, you go, you go the pictures, not that many people do.
You buy a film ticket.
How much does that cost you?
You get your entertainment value.
You buy an NFT.
You get your entertainment value.
You buy a video game.
You know, you play it on your PC or whatever.
It costs like, what, £40 these days to play a game but you get
hours and hours of entertainment from it for me as a holder i'm kind of i'd like to see more people
look at it that way in the future as to what value do they get returned in terms of entertainment
rather than monetary monetary and then at least
after project rugs
it can just say
well you got your
you got your value
out of us
because you had
all this entertainment
can you hear me
okay meg
i can now
you were muted
before
yeah um
it just kicked me out of the space at random for some reason just then i don't know what happened muted before yeah um it just kicked me out of the space at random for
some reason just then i don't know what happened there but uh yeah it just forced closed the app
so i came back and uh most of the people aren't there now that were before so that's pretty odd
um no we lost one oh they've all just they've all just reappeared there we go um i wasn't sure what
was happening there but no i just wanted to say you're absolutely spot on there um and I think and I don't know if you do it the same but it kind of
feels as though you do so if I if I'm wrong I apologize correct me but what I think one of the
things that would really help people is if you look at it from the self-sovereignty perspective
as well that what value can you add to yourself inwardly when you're
getting involved with anything or participating you know whether that be like a game for example
you buy that game to entertain yourself but then what you do in that game may add value to others
and I feel that like this can be the same where like you participate in things that you feel you know you resonate with it adds value to you um like your spaces for example you know those spaces outwardly add value to everyone
else and you're not doing it to get anything in return but you doing those spaces and seeing that
add value x outside of that then adds value to you internally and that helps you move forward and i
suppose it can be the same with this space you can you know get involved with things and accumulate things that you feel will
add value to you in your journey and then what you do outwardly can add value to other people
as well if that makes any sense at all it makes perfect sense to me because many years ago they
didn't really have spaces in which people who were in crypto could talk.
And then all of a sudden there were, and people had these spaces and you got, you know, basically
anybody in the space from a holder to a blockchain, you know, dev or whatever.
It didn't really matter.
You know, you're just in web free and that was what it's about.
So, um, the space that I do with Graham, uh, we did together in this space as well,
I guess it's, it's about, it's not always fine. It's not financial at all. Is it? It's,
it's about contributing to the space as a whole and kind of getting back to how things
used to be. I think when you were talking about the metaverse before, uh, the biggest
thing I always heard about the metaverse when it they first talked about it was you'll be able to get this nft that you already
own and you can have it in the metaverse well how many times did that actually happen because i could
think of very few times because all these metaverses just wanted to have their own nfts in
the metaverse and nobody else there was no collaboration it was all just again very centralized and we lose our way a little bit but maybe spaces like this
uh we can get back on track i don't know that's that's a good point
That's a good point.
Sorry, just multi-tasking.
But yeah, that is it.
I think there's a lot of factors right across the board,
but I think a lot of things come down to expectation as well yeah dive in there
Graham sorry
the biggest thing don't overthink
it right
if community communities
if you did fun events
for the next nine months
you will grow substantially and you'll never realise why.
Right. If you just did, like, don't overthink it.
It's very hard to explain sales and what attracts what.
Very, very difficult.
But when I look at VVS,vs right top bloke is in a murder um they've grown really
big but you have to realize why no names graham dude no names yeah uh this project has grown big
but they're all they've done is add stuff.
Yeah?
Add utilities.
Add stuff.
Add stuff.
Add stuff.
Like, just do fun. With communities, just do loads of fun stuff that makes you happy.
I promise you.
And you will grow So big
That when you look back in nine months
You'll go, how did that even happen?
It's just very difficult to explain
It makes perfect sense
And I agree with that
Whatever you do
That you love
Do more of it
10x it
Whatever you do What your core beliefs are 10x them
and i promise you you'll be happier everyone else will be happier and you'll grow yeah i love that
and it ties in actually just dead quick sorry because i'll just forget but what you're saying
there ties into a very good friend of mine um sent me a video about a guy that was basically explaining about people doing the things they want to do.
And the biggest hold back is, I don't have time.
I haven't got time to do that.
And the point he was making in the video is you've got to make time.
That's the perfect time to start is when you don't have time.
And of course, i'm not just telling
people drop everything you're doing and do something else but when things do have value to
you or they matter to you you always find time if there's something you want to do in your life you
shift things around you cut back on a little something and i think that with this space what's
really amazing about it is there's so many ways in which it can add value to you and your life
whether you enjoy it it's entertainment accumulating value and assets whether you're
meeting new people whether you're you know learning about things make you know making money
enjoying new music making new friends i think there's so many things and skills as well i think
a lot of people unintentionally acquire skills and find themselves doing things they never thought they would do or bringing things to fruition they thought was a thing of the past so i think you're
absolutely spot on there i think the world is looking for the biggest fear people have in this
space is that no one whatever they do no one will turn up biggest fear by by an absolute country
mile right if they build it no one's going to come.
There's like a negative underline to the whole Web3 space
because of the ups and downs of crypto
and because things that were promising haven't been successful.
Times that by 100, that's what's happened in this space.
So generally, the mood is that if I do this, I just don't think anyone's going to turn up.
It'll be a failure like everything else in crypto over the last four years.
But think of the complete opposite.
We're going to do this because we want to do it and because we know it's the right thing and we
love it and who cares who turns up they are more likely to be more successful than less successful
because you're not thinking about it so the biggest failures are when people don't start doing something.
When they've got a great idea and they think to themselves,
no one's going to turn up, so they don't do it.
So they've already doomed to failure.
Just try stuff.
You know what?
You've got so many people on your side.
You've got so many great people around you red respect with his music wave
wars with the battles you know meg's here i'm here will always help you out there's so miss evie
there's so many people just surround you and don't think about why they're attracted to you or why you attract them just keep doing more of what
you're doing what you love and I talk to founders every day and it's you know it's what it is you
know I can't get too hot up about it but the amount of times that I say to them please just
do this it will change it will change everything and they're like i'm not sure i'm not
sure because of this because of that every day i get it and i'm like just try it just do it
if it's what you love people will resonate with it absolutely and it's like um i think it's that
internal validation rather than the external one you know where it's like just as an
example there might be someone that wants to be a singer so i always wanted to be a singer
it's not we'll be a singer then like who decides whether you are a singer you're not a singer i
mean the world might decide whether you're a successful singer um but if you've always wanted
to be a developer or you've always wanted to be a content creator or a space host or whatever it is you can be that thing and I think as you step into what you want to be you're happier you're you're more
passionate and I think that kind of helps shape who you need to become to make it a success and
then you start to learn about that space what what it's looking for you get a feel for it
and I think that is what I've I've loved to see in this space
is where someone's wanted to do something or embrace
or step into something.
And the more that they step into the thing that makes them happy,
the best version of them they become.
And the more things they learn along the way
to help them shape it into something that makes it prosperous for them,
however that is, it doesn't always have to be financial. financial you know someone might just want to do something because they're passionate
so i think you're spot on that just just do it and do it because it makes you happy and
the rest will come if you stay consistent we just think what's the work what's the worst can
possibly happen like seriously you you you know you're scared of do it of i had a couple of comments in the comments, you know,
I really want to speak, but I've got a little bit of stage fright.
No bollocks to that.
Just come up, press that request button.
That's the hardest thing you'll ever do is press that request button.
Once you're up, that first sentence is the second artist, right?
I am so-and-so, right?
Once you get over that, you're there.
You're done.
It's finished.
All the fear's gone.
You can just chat and talk and give your opinion.
And the minute you get welcomed, like, thank you for your opinion,
that really means a lot, that's you done.
All that stage fight, all those months of fear.
And I've had a few messages from people with a little bit of fear.
And fear is 99% of why people don't do stuff.
Seriously.
Just do it.
And I know it's harder than I make out.
But just do this stuff.
Face it.
What is the worst that could possibly happen
if you press that request button mate yeah no you're spot on stupid are you going to be embarrassed
okay so what what is yeah that was just about to say you know even if the worst thing happens
um when you realize that isn't the end then that's it you've overcome the one thing
stopping you do the one thing you want to do so i think you're spot on that i just want to quickly
involve meg into the conversation so meg dive in there brother very few people have the actual
talent just to be good at something from the get-go it's very very rare um
just to be good at something from the get-go it's very very rare um
and and if they are good at something then they're probably just in too small of a group because once
they've got the leaks they're going to find people that are better than them and often the people
are better than them at anything um or just have a different way of doing things i've just done it
over and over again so whether it's been in space, whether it's been consistent, hosting an AMA, Discord, whatever it happens to be,
even doing a play-to-earn game, it's about consistency.
It's about showing up.
And the more you do it over and over again, the more confident.
Everybody who comes up to speak,
because the example Graham gave was speaking in space,
everyone who came up in the space, I would have thought,
would have felt some nerves the first time they came up in the space i will have thought would have felt some
nerves the first time they came up to speak i know i certainly did um i don't have any now
and that's just from being consistent uh like graham says finding welcoming people
because it's the same it's same as it would be in work it's the same as in web3 running a project
it's just you kind of turn up
to work and expect to stand in the corner and do nothing you've actually got to get your sleeves
rolled up and do something and the more you do something the better at it you will become
do it long enough um and put a lot of energy and passion into it and you will become the best at
it in fact you become an expert absolutely um and you're spot on and when you realize that fear is just
a factor of things i mean look at some of the best performing athletes in the world big big show
means a lot millions watching they still feel the fear it's just an element of the experience
that they're about to embrace and either they'll come out of it successful and it'd be monumental or they won't and you know it's just a part of it it doesn't make or break
it but like when you think about it let's take a musician there's some musicians that make seven
maybe even eight figures a year globally known that you would never ever listen to
so even being the best or the most successful isn't the make or break of doing something
because some people do it and are hyper successful but they're just not your cup of tea it's just
down to personal preference david bowie said that in an interview i know uh yeah he said he
you know his music's very what he's thinking it's back in the 90s or early 2000s said his music's very what this figures back in the 90s or early 2000s said his music's very well known
a lot of people like it a lot of people buy it, but he's not
as big as some of the
Bands were back then in the 80s that so that sold like way more albums and he did but he was happy
Yeah, that's brilliant.
And that's exactly it.
That's exactly it.
You know, like, just taking what Graham's example earlier
about, you know, wanting to host spaces
and being anxious or whatever.
You know, there's many spaces, you know,
I get nervous about whether I get, you know,
for whatever reason, it might be something to do
with my actual life and there's a lot going on or whatever but you still do it anyway and you enjoy
it you know usually the things that have the most fear in are usually the most rewarding and
prosperous things to do so it's kind of exciting for people to kind of embrace it um and and just
look at it as excitement instead of anxiousness which is kind
of funny coming from me if anyone knows who i am but you know just as an example of stepping into
it i get upset the amount of people that must be out there with probably the best ideas that never
get heard yes that's what upsets me and and if anything i can do to alleviate their fears or help them,
they might have the best idea in the world and they'll never get heard
because they're too a little bit frightened of what, you know, judgment.
At the end of the day, our brains are still in the cave.
So we're like, you know, if you don't get accepted by the group,
you've got nowhere to go.'s generally where people are and i'm sort of like please please just to share just share um one of the best one of the best introductions i've got
funny enough was by hurricane on wave wars when i joined in the space i got an automatic request
to speak.
I was like, oh, it's a bit strange.
I didn't know anyone.
And don't forget, I'm joining the space full of artists, right?
I can't.
If I sing, cats run away.
And so I'll get this request to speak.
And I'm like, whoa, hold on a sec.
I'm about to go on stage with all these artists, like petrified.
And I go up there and he just says to me, why did you join the space?
I'm just really interested.
And like, well, I just thought it was great. And I heard from Candy in CFC space and I thought I'd come in here,
pop my head in, see what it's all about.
And he goes, well, welcome.
Welcome.
If you need to contribute contribute if
you just want to listen no problem at all but welcome to the space all those fears suddenly
just went dissipated but you imagine going up as a speaker with all these artists and i can't sing
i can't i've never been able to do any sort of that sort of side. You know, it's very scary, but he took all that pressure away.
And I think that's so important.
Yeah, and that ties this back to the, you know,
the holder element is as a potential future holder,
where you feel that brought you the urge to kind of want to you know
participate or engage was that you were seen you know that your presence was recognized off the
get-go before you did a single thing so i think that's that's something to take note of really
um i know that obviously the naming no names you know we're not really talking about
something and it's being factored in but it is a really good example of something to maybe take
note of of you know being seen in any regard is it's it's warming to you isn't it like if you go
and join a live stream and someone said oh hey welcome how you doing thank you for joining you
know and you just kind of feel like you know you're being seen and it kind of it adds value to your presence being in a place that's new
to you and like you said it took away any any doubts or fears that you had and you just kind
of felt more comfortable so i think that's definitely a a noting point to to write down
there really but but the reason why that's so important is everyone here is a holder or a member of a particular community or multiple communities.
The reason why that's really, really important is everyone's going to leave this space tonight and go back to their relative communities.
They will have founders that and this is a holder space that will potentially say you know why aren't you holding spaces
and well you know it's not the right time or it's not the right market conditions or
you know we don't really get that many people all of these reasons you're all going to go back to
those communities and the the reason why this is so important is everyone here has a responsibility to say to their founders to alleviate some of that fear.
Well, you know what? Hold a space. I'll join. And if no one else joins, we'll have a good old chat. Don't worry about it.
But the reason why most founders don't hold spaces is this. Is're a little bit scared that no one will show up,
especially in the bear market.
I think that's an actual real positive.
Imagine if you did your first space and a thousand people came.
Imagine the pressure then.
I'd rather just one or two.
If you don't hold that space, you're never, ever going to know.
Absolutely. It's lost in time probably forever and yeah and that's the that's
the whole point is that yeah absolutely like what i'm kind of getting at is you know if the concern
is you know will it pop off or not it not popping off to begin with is probably a better nice easier
entrance into something i
think a really intense start may have the reverse effect and i think that should be a good approach
for the whole in general if you're going to be you know participating in something or get you
know becoming a holder of something i think that the slow sturdy steps into something you know take
the time to do you know check out the community what's it about looking to the founder the slower the slower easing approach um probably best suits from a holder's perspective
or from someone that's looking at you know beginning something i think the slower the
slower starting gives you more experience and you'll kind of find your footing and you'll kind
of grow in confidence as it as it progresses on i think everything starts from that point and like
what megalodon was saying earlier about no one starts
as an absolute natural.
I mean, some people are naturally good at it,
whether they've acquired skills in other areas and it ties in.
That's often a thing as well.
But I think just to kind of pull this back to a holder's perspective,
I think that's a good thing to take note of is the the environment that
you're creating will make all the difference you know i think that's like a right across the board
thing you know that's one of the things that kind of we've always tried to you know look at are we
create an environment where people can build learn and grow you know are people comfortable do people
feel that they can be new could they enter a room full of orgs and a certain ecosystem and feel like they don't belong or you
know will they feel welcomed so i think you know how you set the tone and how you operate and the
environment you create makes a huge huge point to that it doesn't you know holders have a lot more power than they probably think
they have they have a lot of influence within their own projects um and sometimes founders
need a good old kick up the backside seriously um because most founders will be thinking about
you know activity they'll be thinking about the number they'll be thinking about, you know, activity. They'll be thinking about the number.
They'll be thinking about money.
All of these sort of things.
And some of the suggestions are going to be a little bit outside of that.
But where they miss the trick is every single project out there,
whether they're active, whether they're not active, it sort of doesn't matter. They're all brands, individual little brands. And
it makes no sense not to have a space on X with you showcasing your brand,
even if no one shows up. It just makes no sense not to do that because it's, at the very minimum, it's a shop window.
And what scares me a little bit is the amount of people,
founders, et cetera, that just don't do it.
You know, they go with the trend that we're in a bear market, therefore, and there's no activity.
Like so many.
We're in a bear market.
There's no activity.
We'll wait until there is activity.
That's generally the consensus across Web3.
Doesn't make any sense.
Like completely doesn't make any sense.
You are building a brand whatever pfp is on your nft
that is your brand and if you showcase that more and more and more you're going to get more
attention especially in an environment where no one else is doing it. When you're in a ball run, when there's lots of attention,
you get lots of activity.
That doesn't make any sense to me because you've got a million competition.
So I find it quite weird and strange, but not unexpected, if that makes sense.
So I spend my life right now basically telling people, stick your head out the pit,
showcase what you've got, because there are many, many people that are roaming due to whatever reasons whatever macro
factors or whatever that are looking for a home from home and if you can bring fun and if you can
bring community and if you can just blooming just do spaces you will attract those people now you
may not attract thousands but again you don't need to attract thousands.
Quality over quantity.
You've just got to attract that one person that goes, do you know what?
I actually like what you've going on.
I'm going to check out what you've going on.
Oh, this is fun.
I'm going to stay here for a bit.
Right, brilliant.
In the box.
That's one.
Quality over quantity is an absolute t-shirt worthy statement
sorry i just want to add in i just want to add in meg real quick just in case he wants to add
into what you're saying there go on meg diving i do want to add into it because i think graham's
being very kind to these founders um i'm sure they have their reasons or one might say excuses
um however it's just it's like not all of these it tells you more about some of these
projects than what a lot of people are floating a lot of people floating for a reason is exactly
what you've said the projects aren't doing anything so if they're not doing anything
they're not doing updates of any kind or even just regular announcements in the discord or
where it happens to be on telegram then they
don't it comes to me like they don't really care about their actual holders so that's why i think a
lot of people are wondering all i would say to anybody particularly in your situation similar to
graves is if you've kind of like kind of persuade or why don't you do this why you do that and you're
just getting hitting a brick wall all the time then there's a reason beyond what's being said as to why that's not happening in my opinion sorry for being a little bit skeptical there but
you know no absolutely no it's a great point it's a great point because um it kind of ties
into the next thing that um we kind of wanted to uh move into there really um you know about when
when was the last time people have purchased an nft um and did that did that project deliver
or are they delivering
because um that's a hard question if you can't name a project yeah it's probably near impossible to be fair
especially if you can't name any names um but i suppose the look at it um what kind of go at is um
sort of talking about certain things for example and i suppose we can tie into this topic first
and then sort of work towards those questions i think it will help a little better with the
ability to answer that question, shall we say.
But one of the things I wanted to touch on was people's experience with marketplaces
when it comes to either buying, selling or swapping NFTs or, you know,
traits for certain NFTs in general.
Like what's everyone's experience been like?
I suppose how has it been in the past, you know,
to how it's been now?
Is it kind of heading in the right direction from your perspective?
So why do you have to have marketplaces?
Like seriously, if you've got 10 projects that are all working together,
why can't you just swap your nfts between each other
why do you need a marketplace
i've thought that for four years yeah i suppose in a lot of ways you can you kind of don't i think
it kind of i kind of i suppose it kind of seems like um it's somewhere for people to see the
asset you have outside of your
reach you know like if i if i had an asset and i want to sell it you know maybe i could share it
out and people would see it but if i wanted more people to see it or i just wanted to put it
somewhere and kind of come back to it to see it sold or swapped but uh no that's a that's a great
question i think more people could think like that. Take your own project. You create a Discord. You create a want.
You create 10 or 12 projects that are all part of it.
You create a swap feature.
You just swap between each other.
You don't need a floor.
I've always thought floors are weird anyway.
Like, I might be completely outside the box,
but if you go down your local high street and walk into a shop, you see something you like, what's the price of that?
Right, I can afford that or buy it.
I've never agreed with mints.
I've never agreed with marketplaces.
I don't see what's the point.
Why can't you just have 3,000 NFTs that you put up for sale?
thousand nfts that you put up for sale like i might be going completely against everything else
that web free stands for but if you do your job as a salesman correctly and if you create a brand
that's attractive people come in and they'll go well that one-on-one's like four times the price
of the others but yeah it's a one-on-one. Actually, I'm going to pay $200 for that rather than $50
because I'll get myself a one-on-one.
Why haven't they got fixed prices?
Why do you have to mint and get, well, you might get a one-on-one,
but you might get a common?
Like, it's gambling.
And I've never understood it.
Seriously.
So no one's ever done it.
Well, not that I know of.
But why can't you just have, you know, on this NFT project, I've got a shop, here's 200 NFTs, choose the one you like.
Because after they minted, you'll find people swap,
people sell the ones they don't like, people buy the ones they like.
The whole thing about traits, well, let's buy that one because it's got a crown on it.
But if you price the crown, double the price of the floor of your normal collection,
because it's got a crown and someone buys it,
and someone buys it, they're buying it because of what it's got in its head.
they're buying it because of what it's got on its head.
So I suppose I shouldn't comment really.
Don't get me started on marketplaces and NFTs and things like that
because I've just got a completely different philosophy.
If you do the great sales job that you all do
and you create a brand around your product
and you create a whole thing around the traits that are in that collection,
why do you ever need to wait until someone puts it on the floor?
Why can't you just buy it for a fixed price?
Because you're buying something that you love.
And maybe the customised and the trait shops and things like that
could be an addition, but I just don't get it.
But that's, look, that's just me.
Yeah, dive in there, retrospect.
Yeah, but I will dive in with a song.
So it's time for a reset or not?
Absolutely, let's do it. Meg, dive in with a song so it's time for a reset or not absolutely let's do it uh meg diving there first of course yeah cheers retro hang fire for a sec i just want to say to
graham even though there is a marketplace for the projects i'm thinking of there is a project i'm in
and they do sell the accessories separately so you you can buy them so like you said you can
you know you can if you want a crown and it probably has a utility attached to it you can
literally just buy that crown for a set price um and i think rumor has it a shark head as well
don't know what that's about but no names i know look i know what you mean but the the standard
i'm just saying it can be done
yeah but all i'm saying is the standard that is currently right if i start a project tomorrow
i'm gonna want to create hype i'm then gonna uh go oh do you know what we're gonna have a mint party
and then i'm gonna release my mint all right we right. We're 100 mints. We're at 150 mints. Oh, it hasn't quite gone as well as I thought.
Now, imagine that I start a project and I go, I've got 3,000 NFTs.
Here they are.
Right?
Buy the one that resonates with you.
Buy the one that you like.
Right?
What's going to happen then?
People are going to pick and choose.
Now, you may get some real
ugly ones some common ones that don't get sold do something else for them but the most important
thing is it is it about what you get or is it about the amount of sales you get and it's an
open forum from a holder's perspective and my perspective is create a site with your 3 000 nfts on and go right next friday
i'm going to open that up to everyone but before i open it up it's visual to everyone have a little
look check out the one you want right because you're creating a bit of fomo you create people
are going to go on that site they They can look at the NFTs.
Do you know what?
These are the five that I really want to buy.
When it opens up, there's a rush to go and buy the ones you want to go and buy.
Someone's bought that one.
I'm going to have to buy that one.
This happens in real life.
I don't know why it doesn't happen in Web3.
There's probably reasons for it.
But holding a mint party and minting and then seeing what you've got
yes it's exciting but if you don't get what you like you're going to want to put it on the floor
and then get another one i'm sort of arguing against why don't you have 3 000 nfts create a
hype for it and then have people go and buy the ones they like that they're going to
forever hold and if they go and buy them you get so many sales on that night and then the rest you
can market in a certain way who would like to buy this one with a crown on with a with a fish head
or whatever you can create whole events around it i just don't understand why people don't
do it why the why the narrative is you've got a mint and then we have reveal and you see what you
get there is a bit of excitement around that but it's not but in real life you have a shop where
you have products and you go i want to buy that what i was kind of getting at was not disagreeing with
you it's just um yeah the project i'm thinking of they have kind of like your base models
uh based on humans male female etc so you buy your base whatever you want and then you do have the
interchangeable items and literally you can take them on and off your nft so you can swap your crown with a shark head with a bee's head
or whatever or there are sunglasses it's all coming yeah and that's exciting that's exciting
that's another way of doing it that we're going traction yeah it's like a it's like drape battles
but you just buy the traits from a shop and swap them about.
But yeah, no, I totally agree with it.
I think that's exciting.
But again, as a holder space,
I want to see something a bit outside the box.
I don't just want to see everyone following the person who's done before because it becomes very, very samey and it becomes normalised
and it becomes this is the way things are.
And why do things have to be the way they are?
That's the question for a whole new topic, I guess.
But why do things have to be just the way they've always been?
Why can't they be what you make them?
Because the people who do that are going to stand out from the rest.
So isn't that a real good benefit?
I'm not saying I'm right.
I could be completely wrong.
But I like to test.
Sometimes you've got to test the market.
You've got to do things that no one else has done and see if it sticks. Because you might do something that no one else has done and see if it sticks.
Because you might do something that no one else has done.
You're now setting the trend and you would have done it first.
But there's a fear factor in this.
And the fear factor is, well, it's easier to do what everyone else has done before.
It's easier to go to a third party and say, I want to mint 3000 and let them do it and let them set it as random because it's just the easiest route.
But the easiest route isn't always maybe the best route or the most exciting.
And it's become very samey.
That's the whole point.
You know, we've got a mint.
Reveal party.
When you see a space with a reveal party or a mint party,
if you're not in that particular project, you just don't join.
And you go, all right, they're doing a mint party.
Well, there's been a thousand mint parties before.
Again, why do they call it a mint party?
Why don't they call it something else?
The shop is open.
Look, I haven't got the answers for everything,
but why do you have to call it a mint party
just because everyone else has done a mint party?
Why not call it a grand opening?
So the shop, you you know a grand opening uh opened by the amazing megalodon right who's
going to cut the red tape open the shop the nfts are going to be on show for the first time ever
choose the one buy the one that you really love choose the one that you're going to put in a
wallet and give to your kids like create a whole event around it with live music from retrospect
why not that's look you don't have to do anything you want the answer well there is an actual answer
to that go on right um a mint party is you're on about having nfts that
are already revealed so you know what they're going to be you just simply buy them so that
would be a reveal the great reveal space whereas a mint party you've got unknown nfts so that would
be a mint party because you're minting something that's on there am i wrong there no but great name the great reveal the the grand opening like who's done name me one project that's
done it the grand opening the great reveal like seriously um create an event around it right
it's going to be fun it's going to be active we're going to have music
from retrospect we're going to have way wars on they're doing battles we're going to have the
great the great reveal night i mean i'd join it but the minute you mention your project the minute
you mention min party people are like i'm not in that project i'm not going to join the space
so you'll get you'll get random people turning up just going
this is interesting this hasn't been done before what's all this about do you know what just go
here have a look if you love any of that art or love any of that just go buy it that opens you up
to the discord which is a great community. It's like a private club.
And what you get is lots of live events, lots of fun, lots of activity,
lots of things to do with your NFT.
And all that comes later.
But the most important thing, if you love that, just go and buy it.
And it's down to you then, the salespeople,
to sort of cloud it around fun and activity.
I just don't, it doesn't just compare in my head because most people will just go with what they've done before.
Again, mint party, reveal party from the something apes.
And you're like, I'm not in that something apes, so I won't join the space.
So I might have invested a couple of hundred dollars.
But I see the name, I'm like, I'm not in them.
I'll go on to the next one.
So I wouldn't even call it by your name.
I just call it, as you said, the great reveal, the great, you know,
whatever you want to call it.
you want to call it but just do something different is the point because i promise you if you can sell
But just do something different is the point.
it there are lots of people out there who buy it and they're not currently seeing it so yeah no it's
a good point we'll uh we'll we'll tap into some music in a second but yeah because i suppose it's
the whole experience isn't it of the of the whole process of making it fun from the beginning through the process
and then, you know, then accumulating and then the value being added
and the different ways in which people can deliver
and how people are supporting projects
and if they're supporting them financially as well
so that they're able to continue forward and keep building.
But we'll play some music and then we will tap back into the last part of the space
before we uh we call it a night so if retrospect sir if you are ready to play us some music my
friend that would be epic sir always always let's go One more week retrospective build the tone people stay when it feels like Not a stage and not a throne just the room
No big legends, no big clans
Mic on fire room laid out flow
Icons glowing in the road
Different cities, same idea
Make this space feel clearer
The revolution, let's open slow
Make it simple, let it grow
Baking sandwich, laugh, that's right
Keep the door unlocked at night
Mrs. Says, let hold her speak
Now just hype for one more week
Retrospect, now let's build a tone.
People stay when it feels like home.
Not a stage and not a throne.
Just a room that's slowly thrown.
We're not chasing crowds tonight.
Just trying to build it right.
Brick by brick and open view.
Every hold up part of the crew.
No big legends, no big claim.
Just good people in the game. If the space feels real and free.
Mm-hmm. Oh-oh-oh-oh-oh. Unnaturally.
Z drops and keep it real. No fake shine, just how we feel. Megalodon says stories first. That's the way community first TV a sniper bring new minds Show them what the signal finds
Super high music in the back
Let the rhythm hold the track
Different voices, same design
Building something over time
We're not chasing crowds tonight
Just trying to build it right
Brick by brick in open view
Every hold up part of the crew
No big legends, no big lame Just the people in the game Just trying to build it right, brick by brick in open view Every hold up part of the crew
No big legends, no big lame
Just the people in the game
Build this space, cause we're gonna free
Oh, oh, oh, Mocha actually
Mocha naturally
Yeah, yeah, let's
Lucky laps, let's run some games
Daddy adds a couple names
Graham Ryder says that's key
Let him shake the energy
Trench pips open doors
That's what real community's for
So the room keeps breathing slow
Little sparks begin to glow
No script written, no decree.
Just a living community.
Oh, come naturally.
Oh, come naturally.
Oh, come naturally.
Oh, come naturally. let's go thank you retrospear that was wicked appreciate that bro that was an actually banger
That was an absolute banger.
Yeah, I read it during.
You heard your names probably.
I do it often.
Yeah, so I've heard.
But that's quality.
I appreciate that.
That's wicked.
It's brilliant.
It's genius.
I mean, I love that.
That was wicked.
Thank you for that.
Yeah, I know how to use the was wicked thank you for that yeah I know
how to use the new tools
you know because I
practice a lot
yeah absolutely
and it helps you be creative
you know and that's awesome
I love that I love that about the
the new tools
like I was touching on earlier, the ability to be creative.
There's a huge level of creativity involved.
Not only help me being creative, they only help me to show it.
Help me create it. Bro, that probably be my friends uh graham you don't like talking because we can't talk uh names but yeah we are
in places me for example yeah i'm leading a game every day because i like it i'm happy i'm calling
the guys yeah they earn something from it probably from the start some of them came to just earn something but now bro the game is being
developed more because i also encourage the developer to do something more and it's it's uh
yeah the game probably got like 20 or 30 songs already because i love it so So it's many, many things. And as Graham says, it's only about who you meet.
And, you know, like one spark and then another one and then another one.
And then you got like a comet full of sparks.
So, yeah, I can play another one if you wish.
Let's do it.
Let's play another one.
And then we will round the space up because it's been
amazing tonight and the conversation's been awesome there's been some great views and
perspectives but uh yeah before you do dive in there meg once you're facing for you to wrap up
can i ask one last question for the night absolutely
absolutely take it away retrospect let's go okay so uh i'm doing songs from vibes and from
everyday things so lately i also had uh assignment to replant the catalpa so catalpa needs a song
and yeah here we go Monday, some balcony light Boards on the table, cut them right Dust in the air, slow breath in Hands remember where to begin
Measure once, cut it clean Book brain talking in between
Hammer tap, pause and go Uninven rhythm in the flow
Catawper roots waiting low Fresh already, time to grow
Boxes built from memory line Soap craft living in new design
No rush, no rush, no noise in the mind Just put sun and steady times
Build it strong, stop breathing Life don't move in perfect grids
Kick then pause, groove then glide Let the rhythm drift and slide
Hands remember, heart stays calm Spring wind moving through the pump
From the border, open sky
Roots go deep and branches fly
Roots go deep and branches fly
Roots go deep and branches fly
They singin' slow then fast
Echo of lessons from the past
Not in words but in the hands
Every cut still understands
Father's craft inside the grain
Quiet strength without the strength
Not a copy, not the same
But the fire inside the flame
Pause, kick, pause, slow again
Groove like wind across the grain
Life ain't strength, never walk
This beauty lives inside the fall
Build it strong, drift the line
The top of rising in the shine
And even deep a steady soul
Simple work that makes you whole
Goose go deep and branches fly Oh
Go deep and branches fly Thank you Let's go
Thank you bro
That was another banger Well played appreciate that that was awesome
thank you very very much retrospect you've been awesome my friend appreciate you your vibes your
music and for adding the value to space is the way that you do so that we can have a nice reset
have a think about things just you know recalibrate and then uh and continue on and make it a nice
a nice broken up space so yeah thank you for for the value you've added tonight legendary
appreciate that very much megalodon my friend you had a question you wanted to ask
you're welcome to ask it sir thank you uh it's nice being this side of the the room for once as well um this is not a trick
question anyway just random stuff comes into my head so um my question is at this point with
you know particularly what graham was saying about founders won't do this whatever we have
the technology now to release our own nft projects we can play meme coin. It's well, yeah, it's pretty simple.
Anyone can do it.
Um, is, does anyone think the time will come where we won't need projects so much
with literally our own identity would just be, uh, represented on the blockchain
in the form of our own NFT projects or tokens?
That's a very good question and i think my opinion is i think there will be both
possibly how that would look i'm not sure but i've kind of already had a feel about
I've kind of already had a feel about,
because I've seen a bit of conversation here and there
about sort of people collecting things
and then being visible on like the profiles of the socials.
Like if you go to a music event or the cinema
or you buy something and you get like an NFT receipt
of some sort as like a badge of,
you know, I attended this event,
I went to this place, I bought this item.
So, and that kind of seemed to be well received.
So I think in some sense, I think possibly yes.
But as for everything, I'm not sure. I don't know if that would be a good or a bad thing if that
was everything or how people would feel about it my answer is going to be no because people
are creatures of habit and people always follow other people have always done so. You go to a concert because you like the music of the artist
and there's a huge following behind that artist because there's like
clubs, there's like... people always want to be part of something bigger and...
Yes and sometimes people don't want to be the thing either do they? You know, sometimes
people like, they're not listening to music, they don don't want to be the thing either do they you know sometimes people
like you're not listening to music they don't necessarily want to be the artist for example
no but there there will always be the artist and there will always be the followers and i think that
that's just human nature you always look up to someone who's talented, who's created something, whatever it might be.
And I don't think that will ever change whilst human nature is what it is.
So although it's a great idea and that people will have their own identity,
people will always be reaching out for somebody else to do something that is bigger than them
and they will follow those people so taylor swift has 200 million followers that that is there for
a reason ronaldo has 300 million followers that's there for a reason they've done something that
those 300 million can't and those 300 million think i look up to this person because
he's done what maybe even they've wanted to do but haven't had the ability to do it
and i believe that will always exist um but we're in a space full of hundreds of founders and
thousands of holders and the fact that you've held a space to
hear what holders want there's thousands more holders than there are founders so that's number
one very important and there's been some ideas about what potentially founders can do but I'm
even a victim of this I've been talking about some ideas that i'd like
founders to do i haven't been talking about ideas that i do so in a way i'm following these founders
and i'm sort of trying to give them a little kick and say do this do that but i'm not doing it
myself so it's a little bit you know i've got to think on that a little bit yeah no it's a good point that i definitely you know looking at it i
weren't really looking at it from that view to be fair well it's easy
it's not criticism but it's easy to tell others what you'd like them to do
it's a lot harder for you to do the things that you
believe they should do yeah absolutely that's human nature
but my role and my job and my expertise as such is that i'm not a doer i'm a shower
so if i can help other people get to where they need to be, then that's great.
And it's not always something that I'm not prepared to do myself.
So myself and Meg did the Holder Space.
We did the Fiend Night.
You know, we are prepared to do these things to showcase what could be done and show the way.
But I wouldn't have said I'm the person that's going to wake up
and start my own projects and do the things that I am telling everyone
else they should do. But when you know
something's right, you have to share it and hope
it gains traction. And if it does,
maybe we could create a new world within web3 and and it and
it's not as far-fetched as you think because if you can get a group of people together
and showcase fun and excitement and community and togetherness
i think that it would gain traction in a really massive way.
And you've got all the elements around you to be able to do it,
like your Retrospects, your Wave Wars, your Megs, your Grazzers,
your yourselves, everyone who's been listening, everyone who's contributed.
So important. I think that there is a way in which Web3 can transition
into something different.
But even if the whole of Web3 doesn't transition,
a proportion of it will.
So in a way, what you do next is so important
because it defines what the the future becomes the now
and it's a bit cryptic that but like I genuinely believe it and I think community communities could
be the hub around in which this this could happen and you've taken the first step with the holder space but if you can do some more events some live events
some again it's not all about if i do this you're gonna provide this that tends to be the norm in
web3 so you know if i create this event maybe you'll all mint something during the space, during the event.
Well, that's a transaction.
And I think that once people understand that if you provide an event that's fun,
that's entertaining, that's engaging,
any transactions appear after the event that understand that they will appear so if you're a project you did a fun
live event one evening what happens is people gel around each other the community they follow you
they you know if you're the founder and they think what a great event that was i hope they do another one i'm interested in that project
that's the key i'm interested i'm going to look into them more actually if i bought an nft i'll
be really part of that community and i'll get an automatic invite to the next event
the transaction always happens after and i think a lot of founders don't quite get that.
But, yeah, I think he's absolutely sparm with what he says.
But I think you have to realise what most people are,
which is we're always going to follow somebody who's done something.
Like, it could even be weird.
Like, folks in America won't get it,
but the guy from Man United who said he won't cut my hair
unless Man United win five times.
Like, such a simple thing.
And yet he's become pretty well known across the UK.
He's now being, you know,
he's given sponsorship money by Paddy Power for doing some ad's now being, you know, he's given sponsorship money by Paddy Power for
doing some adverts that says, you know, I'm not going to cut my hair till Man United win five
times. What the most simplest idea in the world, and yet so many people are following him. So many
people. Like, why? That's what I find fascinating, is that anybody within the whole of the web free could be
the guy who doesn't cut his air for five games but at some point that guy has gone on social media
and posted and said i'm not going to cut me air till Man United win five times. Somebody that nobody knew.
Like, that's powerful.
That's what I think about all the time, Fire.
Things like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, no, it is interesting that, you know,
people just kind of have an urge to step into doing something they want to do
and then it becomes a big thing and a big part of who they are so it's
really cool that i mean we could talk about it all night for sure um but i think you know it's
awesome and we appreciate people participating and and supporting you know these spaces and
all the spaces that we do you know we do the community walk-ins, the featured spaces, and, you know, we just want to connect with people,
have conversations, learn more, you know, see what people are about,
help provide a platform where people can talk about stuff,
and, you know, facilitate conversations like these tonight, you know,
all of it only for educational purposes, for people to be able to ask questions,
have a different view on it, you know, get a different perspective,
give their own opinion on it um and it helps support make the space prosper and grow and and bring
people closer together and hopefully you know if people are inspired by things to do things that
they want to do that's awesome as well so it's been an awesome space and we definitely look
forward to to doing the next one soon and uh know, thank you to you guys for being here and retrospect for playing his music.
And, of course, the Community Community's core team for doing everything they're doing in the spaces and around them as well.
So, you know, we're truly grateful for that as well.
So massive thank you to everyone for supporting that as well.
I mean, we will close the space off in a second.
I mean, we will close the space off in a second.
We will bring it to a close.
We will bring it to a close.
But, you know, thank you for the questions, for your views on it
and, you know, just your participation in the conversation in general
to help facilitate this being a regular thing that we can keep doing
and keep trying to help make these conversations become an easy thing to do.
So, yeah, massively appreciative of that as well because, you know,
we love this space.
There's lots of different ways in which we can all participate in it,
and I think that's the awesome part about it as well.
You know, we love talking to people, making content, being creative,
you know, utilising the tech, the tooling, the education.
You know, that's why we've really enjoyed our book project.
You know, we've really enjoyed putting it together, collaborating with people, being education, you know, that's why we've really enjoyed our book project. You know, we've really enjoyed putting it together, collaborating with people, being creative, you know, telling, you know, showing the world the end result.
You know, it's now available on Amazon through our website if anyone does want to check it
out.
And if you do check it out or you have checked it out, you know, thank you so much.
And, you know, be sure to leave a review as well and let people know what you think as
well, because that would be really helpful as well.
So we appreciate that.
And, you know, we look forward to doing it again.
You know, we look forward to Mint too.
We've collaborated with more people
and continuing the creativity
and the journey that it's taken us on this far.
So, you know, we're super excited about that.
And, you know, we love this space
and I'm sure everyone that's in it loves it as well.
And, you know, we all want to see it do well and see more people reach it and learn how to utilize it and of course more
importantly be safe in that process as well so these conversations are phenomenal for helping
people learn how to take the first steps into doing all those things so uh yeah but yeah we'll
go around the room we'll get some closing remarks um we'll start
off with uh you z i think you accidentally unmuted your mic there so have you got any
closing remarks brother i didn't realize i'd unmute my mic i was sending emojis
yeah just uh just it was a good space
and some good topics that we talked
about and I look forward to the next one
let's go
nice one Z
I'm almost curious to know what your fire alarm beeping
would have sounded like through such a
better quality microphone
you'd be hearing it through the night I imagine
yeah yeah it'd be it'd be welded into my mind but no thank you Z
appreciate your contribution to the conversation as well as everything else
of course but a nice one Broski um the bacon sandwich have you got any
closing remarks Broski are you still with us have you turned into a pumpkin
it is possible probably has that is okay and understandable
i'm trying to unmute it i never never give you enough time
yeah uh no nothing more to add uh other than uh this was good i think we should do more spaces
like this and uh let's go.
100%.
Let's go.
Nice one, Bacon.
Appreciate you, brother.
But Meg Le Don, again, thank you for the inspiration and the support as well
and your contribution to the conversation.
Do you have any closing remarks, sir?
Yeah, I mean, you're very welcome.
But really, thank you to yourself and egg sandwich
and our team and community communities for doing these spaces if you don't do these spaces no one's
going to hear from the holders and that's just the way it's going to be it's just going to be an
endless barrage of chill spaces you know trying to flog your latest mindless you know trying to flog you the latest you know
and that's not good
for the space
it's just not good
for the space
so appreciate you
for doing this
that's really
all that matters
the biggest takeaway
from tonight
is that people
had the opportunity
to come up and speak
give their opinion
it's been warm
it's been welcoming
and I appreciate that
we need more of it that's all like I say is you know well done for
doing it and uh you keep doing what you're doing because you're putting something good out there
and uh look forward to the next one if I can make it for sure yeah thank you bro appreciate that
honestly and uh yeah definitely looking forward to the next one um and yeah you know and if anyone you know
does have a bit of stage fright you know don't worry we'll we'll keep doing these so you'll have
many opportunities to uh to come up and and give your take on something or you can drop a comment
in the comment section of the space or you can dm us personally as well if you want it to be a
anonymous thing mentioned as well so uh yeah no thank you we're definitely uh
looking forward to continuing doing these so that people will continue to have somewhere they can come and give their take on things and we appreciate everyone respecting the
um naming no names element to the space as well i know it's hard um but definitely appreciate so
that we can you know facilitate the focal point of what's
being said rather than what it's about or where it's coming from.
So that's awesome as well.
So thank you for supporting that as well.
We appreciate that.
But yeah,
Graham,
do you have any closing remarks?
And again,
thank you for your contribution as well,
of course.
Just,
just whatever you do in life,
do what you love.
Concentrate on your strengths.
Ignore your weaknesses.
They mean nothing.
Whatever you love, double down on and think outside the box.
But think outside the box within the reams of you love what you do.
So don't try anything that you know you're not going to love
and double down on everything that you love
and you will never have a bad moment in this space.
Promise, absolutely promise you.
The most bad times you have in this space
is when you get involved with stuff that you're not really, it's not your strength or you don't enjoy.
So if you love doing spaces, if you love community,
double down on it, do more of it.
But please ignore the stuff you're not good at.
That's why I'll never dev, I'll never paint, I'll never do any of that.
Just concentrate on what you love and you will never ever get worn out in this space and this space has a lot to offer
ultra wise words there graham thank you very much well said i appreciate that very much so
and uh yeah massive thank you to everyone that listened in thank you to much well said i appreciate that very much so and uh yeah massive thank you to
everyone that listened in thank you to anyone that listens back to the recording as well and
um yeah retrospect do you have any closing remarks my friend yeah but but in the song
so i can play an outro sounds like a plan to me, my friend. You read my mind. Play us out, legend. Thank you, everyone. You've been amazing.
Thank you. Spring rounds and I feel her near
It is almost here
I feel her near
Calm and beautiful as ever
Missed spring, have no fear Calm and beautiful as ever, Miss Spring
Have no fear
She lets the sun light more than before
I need no hoodie anymore
The air feels warm, the time feels right
So I go, follow the road
Not desperate, not alone anymore
Head and chin up my mindset said there is nothing here and you can bet I will stay
I won't disappear
Next step, next step, don't stop
Next step, next step, don't stop Next step, next step, that's not much
Next step, next step, no doubt
I feel the spring ground, sand around
Oh, yeah
Teardrop from heaven on the back of my neck
And in my head, only I will protect
Don't take this wrong, no messiah inside
It's just the way that I'm designed
I can't stop, no I can't
Cause I'm more than a man, friend, brother, son, husband, father, still I stand
Say whatever, let me clear the womb
I love the flowers in that time of bloom
Next step, next step Don't stop Next time, next time, don't stop
Next time, next time, that's not my
Next time, next time, no doubt
I feel the spring ground standing around
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