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🎙️WEB3 | +C.O.C ft Fernand™️ | sponsor - MONTAGE 🪙
Recorded: Sept. 20, 2024 Duration: 2:46:21Space Recording
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Stay tuned for a showcase of inspiration, collaboration, and boundless creativity as we dive deep into the heart of the community of communities. Welcome aboard.
I now bring you our host, Thy Revolution.
As we always do at the start of every space, I'll just quickly give a brief introduction of how we conduct our spaces as they are a little different to how most people conduct those.
Then we will introduce our core team and our co-hosts, and then we will introduce our brand new guests for tonight.
So normally we conduct these spaces for two hours, given the two featured guests that we do every night on a Friday and Saturday, 60 minutes each to break down their ecosystems.
You don't, of course, have to utilize the full 60 minutes, but you do have the opportunity to do so.
So tonight we do just have the one guest, which is Fernand, so there is no rush to finish and move over to a second guest.
So we can just, as always, have a nice laid back conversation as the point of our space is just to give people the opportunity to just join, talk about who they are, what they're doing, why they are in the industry, what it is that they're trying to accomplish.
And the whole point behind this is just to help shine a light on those things.
It's not to trap anyone, to trick or criticize anyone.
It's just an opportunity to get on a platform and meet new people because we are the community of communities.
And what we're trying to do is create a Web3 network for people to be able to utilize, build from and grow from.
So that being said, thank you for listening to that painstaking first five minutes.
I will now introduce our co-hosts for tonight, and then I will progress on to introducing our guest for tonight.
So first of all, we have The Bacon Sandwich.
How are we doing, bacon, sir?
Yes, it's the first time you've called me The Bacon Sandwich on a space for, like, months.
And I think it's because I started calling you The Revolution.
So, yeah, what's up, boys and guys?
Happy to be here, as always.
It's love doing this on a Friday night and meeting new friends.
So let's go.
Let's go.
Yeah, I thought, you know, I'll catch you off guard.
I'll address you correctly.
And, yeah, The Revolution just felt weird in the mouth.
So, yeah, I was like, wait, I'm not a band.
I'm not that cool.
But, no, nice on, Bacon.
I appreciate you, sir.
We also have, without further ado, Christian Abbott from the Stray Dogs Club,
Doglins Official and the Community Community Score Team.
How are we doing, Christian?
Happy Friday, sir.
Happy Friday.
Hope everyone had a great week.
Yeah, it went fast, this one.
Been really busy working on my skills.
Yeah.
Looking forward to hearing what Fernand's got to say tonight.
So, yeah, let's crack it.
Let's go.
Nice on, Christian.
Don't forget to go down and share the space.
Let's go.
Yes, please.
And Tony has made it to the stage as well.
Don't remember the core team.
He is multitasking whilst currently cooking dinner for him and his missus.
Yes, the man that can.
I don't know how he does it.
It is about 400 things at once.
As does Christian as well.
But, yeah, Christian is a legend, does multitudes of things.
We can dive into that a little bit later on.
But, no, I'm glad everyone is having a good Friday so far.
We will jump over to say hello to Tony a little later on.
I know he's a bit preoccupied at the moment.
So, legend for jumping into the space.
But, yeah, it does normally take a little bit of time for everyone to jump in.
But, in the meantime, we will say hello to Fernand.
So, Fernand, thank you for joining us.
Happy Friday.
And how are you doing this afternoon?
Hi, first of all, hi, everybody.
Yeah, it's been a great day so far.
It's been productive for me.
Just writing a lot, scheduling some podcasts for next week.
And just being as productive as I can be on a Friday like this.
But thank you so much for having me.
Yeah, thank you so much for joining us.
We like making new friends.
So, yeah, I mean, give us a quick introduction.
So, who are you?
What do you do?
And then we'll go from there.
Well, right now, I've been creating content since last year.
It's been fun.
It's been pretty much a passion project from the start, inspired by the communities.
I mean, the friends that I've met in the WebTree community.
And it pretty much has been like that since day one.
I think it was like last June when I started hosting podcasts.
But prior to all that, I started a company with my family, with my uncle.
And since I've been running that company for a while, I kind of transitioned more into this because I told them, look, we built this up to a point that you can pretty much manage it at this point.
I'm going to do this because I don't know.
I've always been wanting to do something with broadcasting.
But podcasting is fun because you can kind of like sit down with people, meet them where they're at, have conversations.
And like I've never been a big fan of small talk.
So this is one way to sit down and get to know people on a more personal level to some extent.
But it's fun. Like I really enjoy hosting spaces and collaborating with so many founders in the community.
I mean, particularly one who I met last year in Miami, Art Basel, which is Sal.
He's the one that kind of led me to you guys because he told me, hey, you know, would you like to talk to one of my friends here?
He's a founder in the WebTree space. So we collaborated together numerous times.
And this is what I this is just one of the many reasons why I enjoy WebTree is just the relationships that you built in the space.
So I'm very grateful to be here.
Yeah, I mean, I think Sal did have a chance to catch me when he said he invited you.
I think he said something about a metaverse. Was that yourself?
Were you involved in a metaverse thing with him recently?
I just recently got onto Spatial because I've been recently hosted a podcast with a couple founders from the Spatial, from the metaverse.
One being Aira X. She's a founder.
And well, basically, yeah, I had her and then I had this guy's name is in Japanese and I can't remember his name right now because it's like the thing I do with so many people.
Like I host this podcast in Japanese, in Russian, in Spanish, in English, and it's just it's it's I'm just fortunate to be able to be able to to to create content in this scale at this scale.
So you're doing it multiple languages, so you sort of sort of taking whatever native language is spoken and then adding those on top.
So it's it's it's consumable, you know, no matter what your language is sort of thing.
Yes, I you know, this is people that just come up to me and say, hey, can we can you have my friend on your platform and I'll translate and if we can do this, we'll do it.
And it was just I I'm surprised because I I don't know what to expect from any of these in particular, like how it's going to go.
Like, even though, like people will say, oh, I appreciate that you came prepared to have questions and whatnot.
But for the most part, like I'm just shooting off the cuff.
I mean, I write I write questions when I talk to people, but for the most part, I'm just I'm just shooting off the cuff, you know, because I'm doing that.
That's kind of what we do here as well.
You know, we sometimes invite people.
We we're not sure what we're going to get sometimes, you know, that also makes for, you know, for some fun interactions.
But, you know, we're kind of the same where, you know, we don't sort of come in with a necessarily with a plan of so many questions.
It's more a case of, you know, we'll we'll jot stuff down as it goes on.
You know, the things that are interested and we're interested in the things that we think should be expanded on or or whatever.
But I definitely think that that's a really good format that you're you're working with there.
Yeah, I appreciate coming from you.
That's a that's flattering because I don't consider myself like a professional by no means, but I just really enjoy just being able to have a platform to serve communities from all backgrounds.
But you're out here doing it.
You know, I mean, that's the difference.
Yeah, it's something about that, you know, I look, I'm a multifaceted person.
I I have so many interests.
It's hard for me to pick one.
And I I guess like that has its pros and cons, because like on the pro side, like I have I can pretty much talk to everybody.
But on the on the on the not so great side, it's like I have so much and I wouldn't say that as a bad thing.
But I got so many people that I want to talk to that sometimes I can overwhelm myself.
Yeah.
I mean, how do you go about finding guests for your podcast?
What is what are the sort of things that are like, oh, you know, this guy's interesting.
You know, for me, like, it doesn't take much if you're building in the space, whether it's Web 2 or Web 3, if you're like just doing it, whether it's art, music, just any kind of content literature.
Like I I'm generally curious to know, like what most people like decided to to take on that path, like what made it one inspired to take that approach or decide to do that for a living or just do it for not even for a living, but as a hobby that can transition into other things.
So I feel like my my approach is more like talking to as many people that I can, because it doesn't really matter like like like like your platform, like how big it is or how small is the fact that we can have a real time conversation and, you know, combine our audiences by combining our communities.
We can all pick up something from each other and it's like, again, my curiosity.
I'm just led by my own curiosity.
So when I approach people, whether it's through DMs or some people just recommending to me, like I just I'm happy to be to share my platform to anybody.
Yeah, we're kind of the same, you know, we have we've we meet all sorts of people.
We've been doing this for two years, actually a little over two years and we do two spaces a week.
We feature two guests per night.
So it adds up to we haven't been keeping count, but it adds up to quite a few hundred people.
And we we love it.
You know, we love to bring on people that, you know, the builders, you know, the people that are creating the, you know, the daps and the communities and the infrastructure of the future.
And that's that's what I really love about this because, you know, we get to meet so many cool, amazing people.
Well, not just you meet them, but to engage and collaborate with them.
Like like when I collaborated with Sal, I mean, there there's one in particular person that I am very fond of Callie Story.
She's one of the listeners there. So shout out to her.
She's she's been my reoccurring co-host and my best friend in this whole journey.
I mean, she's been looking out.
Yeah, don't underestimate the co-host, man.
Yeah, it's amazing. Like, I really am fortunate to have amazing people and to have many collaborate.
I can just go on and on about some of the people that I have met.
They're just amazing.
I mean, there is a space on the stage if Callie does want to join us.
Just let us know.
Absolutely.
No, and I just wanted to touch as well on first of all, thank you for doing what you do, by the way, because, you know, creating a platform for people to be able to speak,
to network, to connect and your mindset being what you just explained that it is.
It's so inspiring to us because, you know, it seems like we're on the same journey.
And one of the things we say often because we feel it in our souls is collaboration over competition.
So when we find people who are doing something similar to us or we're on a similar path, we just want to empower that the same way that you've just described.
You have the same mindset for finding people in Web3 and people that are on a similar path to you.
You want to empower them.
So that was just awesome.
And when we read the description of who you are and what you're doing, we was like, you know, I've got a feeling we're going to really resonate with these people because it sounds like, you know, you guys are the same mindset as us.
And then when we learned that you had a connection to Zarl, you know, a friend of Zarl's is a friend of ours.
And that was that was even more inspiring because that's the beauty of this is that we're probably connected in more ways than we ever realized.
And communities coming together to empower the industry is much more powerful than people trying to compete each other to have one up on the other, because we all want this industry to still be here, you know, decades from now.
And then that's only going to happen if we add value to it and allow new people to come in and see the collaboration and people being uplifted by one another and not fighting each other, because, you know, we all know where the real power struggle is.
And the people are on one side and people in power on another.
And the way that we can change that is by coming together and collaborating with one another to, you know, show show where the true value of life is and what it's really all about.
And there's a multitude of ways in which value exists.
And, you know, we see people coming together every day to to prove us right on that.
So, yeah, thank you for for what you're doing and definitely glad that you've come here tonight.
That's for certain.
No, and I mean, same to you what you're doing and elevating, you know, just communities from all over.
And, you know, shout out again to I don't think Sal gets enough credit because I, you know, when I met him in Miami and then I met him again in New York just to collaborate with him on a project that he organized.
And I'm pretty much due for another collab with him for Art Basel this year for South Shella.
Shout out because it's like I I look forward to just meeting him all the time.
And, you know, it's you know, it's like we we pretty much hit it off on the first time.
Like when I met him, I saw like this is this guy.
He's really, really.
He's got a spark and he he's got a real spark.
He really does.
He got this magic like this this kind of like like like I have to I have to kind of like take notes from him because it's just the way that he approaches people.
And like I thought I was aggressive, you know, innocent in a way, but I have to I can't hold a candle to him, you know, and I feel like there's something about like approaching your dreams aggressively.
Like, I just feel like a lot of people tend to, you know, hold themselves back because of confidence or maybe they don't receive the same support as everybody else.
Like, you know, when I talk, you know, I hosted over 300 spaces here on on X.
And, you know, when you talk to people, you realize that, you know, doesn't matter how high or, you know, again, like it doesn't really matter how big or their platform is.
Like, you know, we have our own struggles and some more than others.
And I have to, you know, I like again, I've never been a big fan of talk.
And like I mean, I appreciate when somebody tells me or shares with me or with the community, you know, the good, the bad and sometimes the ugly because, you know, the transparency aspect of it, like people throw that word around like transparency.
And to me, like, that's a big word because to be, I mean, just because you show your face doesn't mean that you show everything.
You know, I feel like more people can be more outspoken in these spaces and conversations can be more expressing full depth.
Like, let's say a woman in particular will be comfortable to being a guest on my podcast, for example, because it's just because people ask me, you do visuals.
I'm like, well, everything is audio.
Well, that's great because I don't have to do my for my makeup on whatever.
It's like there's something to that, you know, particularly with women that I feel like I can anybody could take an advantage of that, like not having to be over prepared or even prepared that much for something that you can just put together on a whim, so to speak.
Hello, guys. Sorry for interrupting everyone here.
I just need to say hello to Thay, The Bacon, Dalby, Fernand, Crypto, Trey, James, Hangzy and Jenny.
Thank you so much, so, so much for everyone coming here and for supporting what Thay and The Bacon are doing, because this is so important.
I feel like Fernand touched on the most important things and I'm just here to support him because I'm super grateful to be co-hosting with him.
And yeah, just a quick shout out to Change as well. He's in the listeners. I've been doing spaces with him as well.
And yeah, I'm really, really glad and grateful to be here and meet you guys.
Yeah, cheers for joining us. I mean, it's a team effort, you know, for us and I'm sure for you guys, you know, it's not a one man show or two man show.
You know, there's, there's a whole bunch of us in the core team. Most of them here. And yeah, you know, we're all, we're all moving towards the same goal of, you know, trying to connect people.
That's one of the things that we've done with this platform is the ability to connect people with other people of similar interests or like minded individuals or things that they can collaborate on as well.
You know, being that, that connection or that little spark they needed to, to kind of make progression on the things that they're trying to do.
And yeah, we know, we've, we've, we've loved seeing that. And I'm, I'm sure that you'll see the same thing where you will see, you know, two people that are in your circle, your friends that go off and do cool, cool shit together.
Together. You know, we love seeing that. I mean, Hangry Animals is a, is a, is a great attestment to that. You know, his partnerships are incredible.
And, and, you know, the way he conducts himself is the, you know, in spaces and then everywhere he goes is, is, is, is commendable.
He's a, he's a real solid guy as our Hangry Andy. Also on the core team, I might add.
As is Trey in the building, he's also another team member.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Thank you for the kind, the kind words as well, Cali. Sorry, Ferdinand, I didn't mean to speak over you there.
I just wanted to, you know, say thank you to Cali as well for, you know, adding value to you and what you're doing and, you know, you guys sharing that love for, for, for people, you know, and cause that, this is the beauty of social media is for whatever reason it was designed, you know, I mean, I think part of it's to keep us distracted or divided, but, you know,
we use it to, to connect on a global scale because the world is a lot smaller on social media and we have the opportunity to connect with people all around the world and celebrate the things that, that used to divide us.
And I think that's awesome. So, you know, it's awesome to meet other people on the same journey with the same understanding. So yeah, Cali, thank you for the kind words and the warm welcome as well.
Yeah, definitely. Thank you so much for having me here. It's really looking forward.
Usually Fernand is the one asking the question, me and him, obviously him being the host, but this time the roles are reversed and I love it. I'm here for it, guys. Let's go.
Yeah, um, no, it's, it's something actually, this is probably the, yeah, I think this is the third time that I've been interviewed here on spaces. The first time was Cali. She was, it was, uh, a space. She hosted in a collaboration with a couple of mutual friends. That being Sheila and Catan. Shout out to Catan. She's a musician.
And, um, Sheila's an entrepreneur. So that was my first time being interviewed on spaces among friends. And it's just something that, that, that we do to, you know, yes, there's purpose behind all this. Yes. There's like, uh, like we want to produce and deliver the content and make it, you know, something cool, but we're also having fun doing it.
And we enjoy the process. Like my second interview was in Spanish by two founders, shout out to Yisbele and from, and, and, like, she's, um, she's, again, a founder from Venezuela and she did a, she interviewed me as well. And this is my, well, this is my third one.
So it's, I don't know, everything just happens organically.
Yeah, that's awesome. Um, and it, it's great that you, uh, that you, uh, are willing to, you know, be on the receiving end of that. Um, cause, uh, yeah, it, it, it, it, it's, it's just great.
It's great in it because, you know, the web three, especially, it's just got so much to offer because of the amount of different ways in which it can, uh, it can have its uses and how it can add its value.
Um, but also how, you know, there's lots of different communities that, uh, you know, growing around lots of different people, projects and, and movements. Um, and that's what we see the community communities as is it's just a positive movement of people that see value in each other. Um, because, you know, we all fit somewhere for some reason. Um, and a lot of people in web three are, are still learning about themselves.
They're still building around themselves and they're still trying to establish themselves in a multitude of places. Um, and there's a lot going on. There's a lot happening, you know, and for all the negative that takes place, we understand that there's, there's a positive taking place, um, with the equilibrium to that. And, uh, you know, that's what we want to kind of shine a light on. Um, and every so often we get to connect with people doing the same thing. And it's, I think it's empowering for both sides, really.
You know, one thing that I really, I mean, there's many things that I, that I love about web three is the fact that, you know, people are building their platforms, their brands. It's empowering what all the things that web three provides. I mean, it's not just the monetary aspect of it, but the fact that you can engage with people that otherwise you never thought you couldn't engage with.
And that's just one of the reasons that keeps me going. Like I look forward to the next conversation that I'm going to have. I look forward to just talking to people because yes, there's the, the, the implication of web three, but there's also the content and like, you never know if this will be the last conversation or the last time you're going to hear someone's voice.
Like I did a podcast with my mom when I started out and I probably want to do another one with her sometime because it's just, I value those conversations, you know, cause you never really know. It's, it's just more to just, I said it once and I'll say it again.
I mean, it's your voice is your currency and you don't really know what's going to happen today or tomorrow, but you know, whatever you say, people are going to remember you by the things that, by how you conduct yourself and what you do.
And if there's something that I would like to leave behind, you know, it's, you know, if I could curate a piece or a portion of people's life through content and these real time, unedited conversations, which are quite candid.
And they can be in web three, like it's, it's, it's, it's, it's goes beyond anything that I could ever envision.
So you touched on, um, you know, um, um, and brands and people being able to, you know, make connections with each other.
And it makes me think about how it's revolutionizing the music industry in particular is, you know, at the moment, music, um, is kind of centralized.
Um, all the money goes through a big filter and the artists, uh, often at the bottom of that filter.
Um, with, it was also, you know, you've got things like Spotify, which I think, uh, devaluing music, um, in, in some ways, um, where, you know, as an artist, you, you don't know who's listening to your stuff.
Um, you know, who, who, who's actually listening to your stuff?
You have no idea.
Um, web three gives you an opportunity to actually make that connection.
Um, you know, for, with the artists to the fandom, um, and, and, and subsequently from the fandom to the, to the music artists, um, you know, and then for them guys to actually create real relationships.
And I think that's something that's really special, um, about web three.
Um, but yeah, that was something you touched on and I just wanted to kind of elaborate on it.
Um, yeah, I've been fortunate to share my panel with many talented artists and, you know, and counting.
And, and I feel like it's like, I never thought I'd be serving this, this or all these communities from different networks.
Cause I'm pretty much multi-chain, like, you know, I, I, I, I bounce around, you know, from space to space and you meet all these people, you hear their stories.
One inspires them to become musicians and, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it can be tough for, for, for some of them because not all artists have the, uh, the, the, the resources or the circumstances.
And yet they come here and they, they serve their, you know, they serve their audiences, they serve their supporters and it doesn't, you know, I feel like they, they don't get much, as much credit or, or people shed as much light to them as they probably deserve.
Cause I, cause I, cause you know, I, cause you know, I, I want to be able to provide as much exposure for everyone and whether I'm collaborating with you or whoever that's hosting a panel or a podcast or a space that can, you know, better serve all these individuals.
Cause when it comes to music, like you need to put yourself out there.
I mean, there's, you know, how otherwise people are going to listen to your music and people will ask me, Hey, can I play a song?
Can I sing? Can I, I'm like, look, this space is yours.
You know, I mean, I appreciate you asking me, but you can pretty much do whatever you want here.
You know, respectfully with everybody, you know, but that's pretty much it.
It's just being able to, to, to, to, to be someone for them that can, they can kind of propel themselves with, you know?
Yeah, I completely agree. And, uh, and we definitely resonate with that.
Um, what would you say is, um, the most successful part about the podcast that, that you guys, um, that you guys put on, would you say it's the, uh, the platform that people get to utilize or would you say it's the, the networking factor that happens around the community of it?
Well, I find success all around, like, you know, even before and after the launch of the podcast, like the fact that people know or aware of, of that, of the set guests or whoever, but more, more so the community aspect, you know?
And a lot of people throw the word around community, community, community, community, and I will say this, like, I'm very privileged to, to say that I have a community.
And I don't just say that because I have one. I, it was like, I, I had a community before, I mean, I have a community before I started creating content. And this is why I'm ever so grateful to be in the position that I'm in.
So having said that, like, for people that are building communities now, like, don't like, I, like, I feel people take their communities for granted.
I really do believe that in the sense that, you know, you have a lot of people look up to you when someone tells me, Hey, I, I, I never thought that anybody would be interested in what I'm doing.
And when I find like, how could anybody not? So building, like building the community and scaling it and see more people appreciate and love the project, the platform.
Like to me, it like, it's, it's great. But at the same time, I have to realize that this is much bigger than me.
And I, I, I, I approach every podcast now more, like more conscious of, of that, like, not that I'm a self-conscious person.
I mean, in the sense that I, I like, like, it just, when you see something grow and grow and grow, it's like, as let's say you have a plant and it grows, as it grows, it's probably going to need more water.
So that's kind of like how I see everything now. Like as more, as I have more guests on and as I create more content and I see the community growing bigger, you know, it really, I have to be very mindful of everything and everyone because I wouldn't be in this position if it weren't for the contribution from, you know, people that support me.
support me and look after me. So it's, it's really, I see success in so many ways and just affect that you just to launch a space, you know, because some people, I seen people, you know, either get the platform for whatever reason.
And I feel like it's definitely a privilege just to be able to, to have these tools to create content with.
And then we have Web3 as the ecosystem. I mean, there's just so many things and I see it more as a privilege and a responsibility to have this growing platform.
Yeah, that makes perfect sense. And, you know, we kind of, we kind of feel the same on that because, you know, if, if people collaborate and connect with you, the, you know, your actions can have implications on, on their reputation as well.
And I think it also gives people the opportunity to, to have more confidence in you and build with you as you progress forward with that mindset also, because it also enables them to feel more comfortable in being around you as well.
Because that's probably one of the big things in Web3, isn't it, is, you know, a lot of people, if they don't get stung by financially from, you know, investing in the wrong things or being caught out from a bad investment, it's probably guilty by association where, you know, there are bad actors, unfortunately, in this space.
And sometimes people don't see that or they hide that from people and they act a certain way and it can have an effect on the people around them.
So, you know, when you find people that have, have their actions in the mindset in regards of how it implicates on other people, I think that's a great mindset to have.
And something that I want to add to that too is just, it's kind of, it's kind of funny, but my favorite superhero is Spider-Man.
And one of the reasons why I love Spider-Man, you know, Spider-Man, like when, when Spider-Man first got his superpowers, the first thing that he did wasn't just go out and save people.
He started hustling like, oh my God, I can walk up to, I can crawl on walls.
I got all this strength and reflexes.
He went to go wrestling, try out pro wrestling and monetize on his superpowers.
When he had the opportunity to actually use his superpowers for good instead of for money, that's when his uncle died.
Oh, there's no money in saving people.
Well, I'm going to go chase this guy who, you know, this happens every day in New York, you know, people get, you know, robbed at bodegas.
Right. And then he didn't do it. And that's how his uncle got died.
So being led by that guilt, but at the same time empowered by that guilt.
So there's something like about not that I I'm guilty, but I'm conscious, you know, there's like guilty conscious and you can pick one of the others.
So if you're conscious, I'd rather be driven by conscious being conscious that this is much bigger than me, that there's people that need their voices heard.
Because it's like when let's say you're a superhero, for instance, and you could be if you're either guilty or conscious and you're conscious that there's people that could, you know, could use some help and you're there to provide it.
And you have to make the conscious decision to do it for them.
Or you can also do it for money. Either both is great. You can monetize, you know, your platform.
I actually recommend like I would like to monetize my platform so I can have better resources to serve people all around the world.
I would like to travel. I would like to, you know, maybe have a studio where I can formally, you know, have guests on or more.
But but this is great. Like, I really enjoy the podcast. It would never deter me like the spaces like I enjoy doing this.
Not if I could scale it. That's even better.
I like how you mentioned a couple of times that you're, you know, you make it sound like you're doing it in service.
You're doing it in service of something that is bigger than you.
And I think that's where where Spider-Man comes in as well is, you know, he's inspired to do something because it is bigger than him or his mind, should we say.
So that's that's what kind of spurs him on. And it's funny you mentioned Spider-Man because Spider-Man is one of our friends or at least the at least the guy that writes the comics.
Anyway, a guy called Ben L did the Daredevil comics of the previous writer had been doing it for quite a long time.
So he has some big boots to fill there. He was in commission for Spider-Man where he got to create a brand new female Spidey character that's never existed before.
The dream spider. And he's been commissioned to go back and do Spider-Man again.
And there is another thing he's working on, but you can't talk about it because like NDAs and stuff.
He said it's really cool. So, yeah, we resonate with Spider-Man a little bit more than most. We love Ben.
Yeah, I mean, it's been a big part of my childhood since, you know, reading comics and movies, the video games.
Yeah, it's pretty much reading over my profile pic. As you can see, video games have a close close close place in my heart.
And actually the artist that make this profile, this NFT that I'm using as a as a PFP is his name is your boy Nancy.
I did. I hosted my first podcast with him. And just one of the reasons, one of another big reason why I've been doing I'm creating content in Web3 and everywhere, because it's just people like him, you know, that are just constantly.
They have their hand on the poles. They're just community conscious, just community driven.
And just people like him inspire me a lot. Like Nancy, like Holly, like Sal.
And probably you after this conversation.
Let's go. And that's what this is about. It's about, you know, connecting with people all around the world of different walks of life with different stories to tell.
You know, adding value to what life means and and celebrating the things that add value outside of, you know, just money and making money, you know, because there's so much to offer.
But it's great that, you know, that worlds can collide and no one gets hurt in that process.
You know, we've always seen that, you know, people and projects and communities that have, you know, collaborated with one another to add value to each other.
And, you know, only only good comes from that. You know, we can only uplift each other.
And I think it's great that, you know, we all have different ways of doing things.
And, you know, you guys have got a show. We have a show.
You know, you're on ours. We could hopefully one day come on yours and the community get to enjoy the process on each side and both communities get to meet.
And if there are people that don't know one another, then there's, you know, more people to be learned.
Sorry, Bacon. Fire away, brother.
Sorry, I didn't mean to raise my hands. I didn't mean to. Oh, is it still up?
It's a stupid thing.
Yeah, now it's up.
Is it fixed now?
Yeah, it's fixed now.
Sorry. Sorry. My bad.
It's all right. Now you've got to say something. I'll say it.
Yeah, I mean, you know, we obviously resonate with what you're doing.
We can clearly see that, you know, what you're doing is for a purpose that's bigger than you.
And, you know, that's the kind of attitude that we've got towards what we do here.
And I think that actually will do you well.
But yeah, we'd love to come on your show.
Is that something that we can arrange? Because we've got plenty of stuff to talk about.
I would be delighted to have you as a guest, both, all of you.
You know, it's everybody in this space. You, the listeners. I mean, I wouldn't mind having Callie as a guest again.
It's just, I really enjoy the outcome of these conversations. It's like the way that it invigorates people in a way.
Yeah. So sometimes it can, it can light that little fire that they needed.
Um, the little push, because sometimes when, when you're doing, when you're busy doing stuff, um, it's different.
You kind of lose sight of the value because you always feel like it needs improving.
Um, uh, where was I going with this?
Yeah. You were just talking about the, uh, you know, that spark inside of people, you know, when people's passions are, you know, when you're putting the effort into, into your passion, you know, it can.
Yes, exactly. So, you know, you're, you're, you're igniting that little fire, um, that they needed because once you, once you start talking about it, it then starts to kind of reinforce that what you're doing and why you're doing it.
Um, and that is, um, I think that's the point of, of what platforms like ours can provide.
Um, you know, is that sometimes they'll come up with ideas on the spot.
They'll be like, ah, not even because of something that we've said, but because they're talking it through themselves.
Um, and you know, those sort of moments are great.
People have those aha moments.
Um, it's, it's really good.
Can I ask you guys a question?
Absolutely.
Of course.
I mean, do you guys write, like you guys write content out?
Like you guys write?
We're, we're not writers per se.
Um, but we've, we, we do make content.
Um, we do consume a lot of content as well.
Uh, that sort of thing.
Yeah.
Because the reason why I asked was because I, I write a lot.
Like I write introductions for each and every guest.
I always write questions.
Cause sometimes people will ask me and they will ask me through the ends, like what questions I'm going to ask him and I, or her or whoever, but I'll give them like a brief summary.
But it's always subject to change.
It's never in no particular order.
But for the most part, like I always write, I don't tend to like, like if I'm asking questions, look at what I'm writing, look at my notes that much.
But for the most part, I just try to like, keep a pace.
Cause I feel like the audience and the community appreciates that I keep like a pattern or at least a, I don't know, like a, like a rhythm.
Cause I, I'm fully engaged.
It's like one of the most engaging things that I could ever really do.
And when I'm writing, like, I see, I see like, how do we know podcasters like, uh, Lex Friedman.
And I observe him and he always got a notebook when he's talking to people.
Some podcasters have a laptop in front of them when they're talking to people.
So I feel like having being prepared, not that you have to have a notebook or a laptop in front of you, but you know, it helps.
Like for me, for instance, if I, if I'm, if I have a guest on and I like some people do this with the phone, if I have the laptop, like I can at least like I'll have, I can double.
Like I can multitask.
Like I can talk to my guests, but I can also look at their profile, look at their highlights, post something on the jumbotron, highlight them, whatever I can do.
Cause it's, it's, they appreciate that.
It's like, I, I, I, I, I try to like, I don't mind over delivering if I can, but that's just one thing I keep in mind that it's not just about dishing out the content and have your guests, you know, pour themselves to you, to you or to their community or whoever.
But how also like provide that kind of just make them feel comfortable.
It's, it's just one thing that I try to like, keep in mind as well, that they're laughing, that they're enjoying themselves because some people don't maybe, maybe they expect something different.
And when they, they, they get a different experience, like I thought it was going to be structured, not that there's something wrong with that, but there's something about that.
Like coming across very professional can be off-putting.
Like, I just feel like just again, meeting people where they're at and just having a conversation.
Cause I mean, look at me, I don't really have a formal background in, in broadcasting.
I'm just a guy in web three who has an avid, acute curiosity about different things, but it doesn't really matter if you have formal education or not.
Like anybody can do this if they really want to.
Yeah, we have, we have the same mindset and completely agree with that.
You know, like we have, you know, if it all depends as well on like, on how we're doing things.
So if we're, if we're hosting an event, like for example, hang animals in the, in the audience, when they're there, the mint went live for the first time, we did a mega space, you know, we had much more structure.
Things are more time-framed and we knew, we knew how we was going to conduct that space.
But when we meet people for the first time, we know we, this is why we do our spaces for 60 minutes per guest, just so that it's a much slower pace.
It's more relaxed. And we can, like you said, meet people where they're at and be more engaging with, you know, have a feel of them, them have a feel of us.
And we can just enjoy the conversation and let it flow in whichever direction feels comfortable for the person.
And then as we, you know, cause we do get guests that come back and sometimes we ask people to come back.
So if they've got, you know, some updates that they want to touch on, you know, then we'll add more structure to that next space where we'll have specific questions.
And the more we learn about different projects as well.
And sometimes we'll, we'll kind of know what people will want to know, but won't have that information.
So we will ask the questions that will give the answer that the audience needs, but we know they don't have the answers to yet.
So, you know, we always tailor it to each individual guests and just kind of, you know, have a feel for it.
And we've known each other for, you know, almost four years now.
So we bounce off each other really well.
And we, we kind of work real well together as a team when it comes to looking at who people are and, you know, how we feel that they might come across.
And, and, and we just kind of, you know, resonate with other people because, you know, everyone's different people at different stages, different walks of life.
And some people, you know, we can see when people feel uncomfortable and we'll immediately, you know, work on making them feel comfortable first by, you know, just getting them to talk more about who they are, what they're trying to do, you know, what matters to them.
And then we'll sort of unpack different conversations throughout the, the, the, the interaction and make sure that not only do they feel comfortable, but they can unpack what it is that they do without them feeling pressured or interrogated.
So, yeah, we just kind of have a good feel for, for the guests and we, we kind of focus a lot on the vibe of the room and the vibe of the people that we're interacting with.
But yeah, I definitely think that you're absolutely right in what you're saying.
Yeah, I mean, we, we, we, we see a lot of Twitter spaces where, um, it's like, uh, you go 50 minutes and go, um, which are great.
Um, but I, I, I think they're limited in, in what they can achieve.
Um, you know, sometimes it's quite difficult to kind of get your point across in a 10, 15 minute shill.
Um, and it's also difficult to, uh, sell something to someone without trying to sell it to them.
Um, so that's obviously, uh, uh, uh, another sort of fine, uh, fine trick there.
You know, that, that's why we saw an opportunity for, for a platform like this.
Um, you know, being able to utilize the network that we'd already created, um, through TikTok, um, to, you know, to bring people together, um, and to support each other and, you know, just, yeah, support each other's growth.
Um, that's, that's kind of why we're, why we're here in the first place.
Um, but so you, you, you, you touched on something earlier about, uh, you know, we, we do this for passion as, as, as, as do you.
Um, and I always touch on branding.
Um, you know, do you think there's anything with your brands, um, that you could do?
Is it, is there something that we have three, do you, do you want to add some sort of, some sort of functionality or some sort of DAP or, or, or something that, um, that people can interact with, um, with yourself and brand new building?
Well, right now, like I told you, I've been writing a lot and I want to like, you know, step it up with newsletters, with articles, with more, you know, digestible content, you know, not just audio, but something a little bit more formulated.
So this is the thing, like, I, I, I never thought that I would be like a, like a social media influencer, so to speak, before I became a content creator.
You know, I, I, I, I've been collaborating with the, with basically with the GameStop community as an influencer for, for a while then.
And, you know, that's what implicated me to meet Dubois Nancy and basically the, how I got to work to, to, to, to cryptocurrencies to begin with, because of that movement.
The GameStop movement have been very influential to, to, to my trajectory as a, you know, as just an individual here.
And then that's what, how I transitioned to become a content creator, hosting spaces.
And then the brand, you know, the becoming a, like launching my website, launching my trademark, becoming a founder and becoming an entrepreneur and really looking to ways to curate the content and legitimizing it.
And just like letting people know, like, you know, you're, you're in a safe place, you know, that this, this content is, this formula is still for you or for whoever.
But, you know, now, like, I didn't thought like I was going to be an influencer, let alone a content creator, much let alone a founder and now, like, write a writer.
Like to me, writing trumps all of that, believe it or not, in the sense, like, because if you think about it, like writing is at the core of everything.
You know, if you, I don't know if you guys are, like, acute with the Bible or anything like that, but in the beginning it was the word and then the word became flesh.
So I think about that, like, you know, there was first a word, it wasn't the flesh and then the word, because otherwise there was a man and then they started writing.
Yeah, let there be light. That's the word.
And then it's like, to me, writing, it should be, it should be number one.
It's like when you have, when you're filming, if you're doing a movie, if you're writing a song, like there has to be written and whoever writes that song has authority over the splits for the most part.
There's just something about writing that, you know, when you write introductions, when you're writing an article or anything, like for any content creator, like I feel like it's important to write.
Write your goals, write your approaches, like I got stacks of these notebooks from all the intros that I have written.
And like, I feel like this platform, like X in particular, Twitter or however you want to call it, it's kind of built around text and people posting, you know, at the end of it, like, yes, we have spaces.
We stream now. Recently we're doing, you know, you have all these features that X didn't have before now.
But at the core of it, you know, people just write stuff here and they post it and it's just more text oriented.
But, but as I've been writing so much, I feel like this, it's like, look, look at programs.
You have to prompt something into server to turn it into a platform, like coding, for instance.
Like everything revolves around written texts, whether it's a prompt or regarding a code.
It's, it's, it's, it's all that. It's all relative.
So becoming a writer for me, it's been a bigger challenge to me than even the podcast itself.
So do you have a newsletter already?
No, I'm working on it. I'm working, like, I didn't even know how to write an article.
I just recently started like figuring out, like asking Rock, like how to, how, what does it entail to write an article, to publish it and whatever, because look, I don't know.
Like I think about it this way.
Like if I can write an introduction, pre podcast, what should I write post an article?
It just makes sense.
If I make that a custom for each and every guest, I've been considering like, just, just go for it.
Like maybe like either go to sub stack or launch a medium, or even X has to, you go on premium plus and you get articles, you can publish articles.
So there's just debating on how I'm going to approach it from here on.
But that's.
So I think.
Sorry.
Go ahead.
I think, I think hangry animals probably sitting there scratch, scratching itch.
You see paragraph XYZ is, is a tool that he uses.
Um, and he's a big advocate for that.
Um, he likes the, um, from his perspective as someone that wants to create his newsletter every week.
Um, he's found it invaluable.
Um, one of the really cool things about it is, um, that article is collectible as an NFT, um, which you can then, um, monetize.
Um, so you can have people buy your, uh, your article, um, to support you, um, and, you know, support you directly through your newsletter, um, which is really cool.
You can provide it for free.
Um, you can do gated access things and stuff like that as well.
Um, but essentially, yeah, you know, you can then have that additional layer.
So if people do want to, you know, collect it, uh, and they see value in it, um, you know, as a collectible, um, then you can, you can monetize that.
Yeah, Andy's actually on the stage right now, so they can probably elaborate on that.
Yeah. And, and, and just on that real quick, um, the, Andy's just come on stage, so we'll, we'll get him on in just a second if he's okay with that.
I love that, you know, you mentioned that, you know, you, you've come from a place where, you know, you're saying that you, you know, you may not have the credentials of someone that would, you know, create articles and newsletters.
But that's what I love about web three is that it opens up the avenue for, for you to do that.
And it sounds like you're embracing, um, this, this path that you're going down and we're, we're big advocates for that.
Um, and if you value written word that, you know, you'll find people that resonate with that, you know, I absolutely resonate with that.
So, you know, when he was mentioning of, um, that, that, that is something that people, um, should value.
I agree with that. Um, and I think people do, cause you're right, you know, things do begin with the word before they progress into, you know, the physical form.
Um, and I think people do enjoy digesting content, uh, in different formats, sometimes video, sometimes audio, and sometimes written so they can read it at their own leisure.
So I just think that that's awesome that you're, uh, you know, you're expanding from your podcasts into written word and, and, and newsletters along the lines of that.
So I think that's awesome.
You know, I can say at this point that nothing's really out of the question.
Like visuals, people have asked me and I'm like, look, that's just something that you have to commit.
Like I can commit to spaces because not everybody's willing to commit to visuals.
That's why I focus on audio content because it's, it's, it's easier to take on visuals.
It's not necessarily for everybody.
It's encouraged.
It's highly encouraged.
And I really resonate with all that.
But for me, like, you know, maybe at some point as I scale and scale and scale, I'll consider committing to that.
But again, like, it's just, I want to like, take, take, take steps.
You know, I think everybody has a different, you know, some people work faster than I do.
And like, I'm not gonna, I can't like, I better off just staying in my own lane.
Cause sometimes like I have falling within my, that trap myself where I like try to compare my work ethic with all this.
Like this guy's working less than I am and he's getting more engagement than I am.
Or this person is working more than I am, but he's getting less.
What am I doing wrong?
What am I doing right?
And I'm always thinking about how I can approach things.
Like in my, like, I have to be fully present.
Like whatever I'm doing, I have to be driven by familiarity.
Like if I already engage with that person, it should be easier for me to write about that person, like after the fact.
But it's committing, like committing to a newsletter because it could be, cause it wouldn't just be content for myself,
but I'll also be open to creating content for others in the sense that I could be writing a newsletter for my guests,
but I could write for someone else.
So there's different ways where you can access that, you know, to be able to be open to different possibilities.
And to expand on that a little bit more, I think it's, it's, it's, I think it's imperative for everyone to at least write your goals.
I mean, write what you want to do, where you want to take this because people will ask you.
It doesn't matter if it's a podcast or whatever it is.
It's, it's, you know, you should have at least have a plan.
And like, it's, you know, my podcast pretty much speaks for itself, but in the sense that it's my community that's big.
It gives that, you know, the voice, like I'm providing my voice, but I'm also providing my presence.
Like having Kali there co-hosting or whoever there is also contributing by just being present.
Like my list, my listeners as well.
Like everybody is accounted for whether you're a speaker, a host, a co-host, or even a listener.
I'm speaking of listeners and, uh, speakers and how angry animals has just joined us on the stage.
Um, I think I, uh, I piqued his interest when I spoke about paragraph, paragraph XYZ.
Um, so Andy, did you want to, uh, elaborate on that?
Hey guys, how's it going? Can you hear me? Okay.
Yeah, mate, all good.
Well, hello, hello.
Howdy ho. Nice to meet you, Fernandes.
Um, awesome hearing you chat about, uh, your journey, man.
Um, very interesting, uh, sort of developments really.
And yeah, get, getting into the realm of writing, man.
You know, um, we, that resonates with me.
I've never naturally been a writer, but over 20 years, you know, when you're writing pitches for, um, creative projects or storylines for comics and stuff, you start to expand your network and expand your skillset.
And I've, I've found whether we like it or not embracing what AI does for us in terms of formulating a foundation of the context of what you're trying to say and trying to write and articulate.
So, um, platforms like paragraph have been really useful for me for that because I'm not a natural writer, but I give it a prompt and I give it the, the sort of, uh, the bones of what I'm trying to say.
And then I can reshape it.
I can build my story and my narrative on top of that.
So, uh, and it's, and it's free.
It, you know, takes MailChimp out of the, out of the loop.
It's got some really cool AI draft tools in, in, uh, embedded in there.
And you can have newsletters, gated content, like Bacon said.
So it's a really cool tool.
And yeah, we're looking to use it more and more to share the alpha in quotes.
Whenever we get that, that next piece of alpha, we always like to share it in a newsletter.
So, um, I don't care about alphas.
I want betas.
Yeah.
So do I, man.
So do I.
I'm working.
Wink, wink, wink.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, we're getting it.
We're getting it.
Yeah.
It's cool.
No, I'm just, I'm listening in.
I'm here.
I'm sort of, it's Friday night, but I'm developing and building on, uh, what we have as the game and getting that token gated stuff.
Um, going so, but I, I, I won't, uh, I won't disturb the flow of conversation.
I just wanted to chime in and say paragraph is cool.
So, uh, check it out.
Uh, I'll definitely look into that, to it more.
I mean, there's just so many things I I'm looking into.
So I'll definitely, definitely.
Cause like I said, I just started out, you know, writing more formally, so to speak.
Cause again, I'm not like certified, I'm not a certified writer, but it's like that thing.
Like it's, you know, you kinda, you create your own credentials by, you know, just being present.
And, and, and being deliberate about like what you're trying to do, being open and transparent about what you want to do with the content that you're creating and producing and whatnot.
It's, it's exciting.
Like I really look like, I never thought that I would like write out of, I wouldn't say recreation.
Because usually when I write is do an assignment, like I have to write a dispute or I have to write a something out of necessity.
Like if I had to write something, but not because I wanted to, because I had to, or whatever.
Like, I never thought that I would enjoy, like I write on paper and whatever I write on a notebook, I'll transfer over to a computer.
I'm just old school fashion like that.
Like when I live, I consume a lot of podcasts, like a lot of content.
Like I look after, like, I like listening to, to Robert Green and like how he talks about writing.
Cause he's, he's, he's one of the most famous writers alive right now.
And he talks about like, he writes on paper.
So if the great, one of the greatest writers right now writes on paper and like, he creates all these amazing books, like what makes me any lesser than that?
And it's, I feel like I should probably write on a notebook.
And I write and I, and it's like, there's something intimate about that.
Like I really never, like the more I write, the more I enjoy it.
And it's, it's becoming a thing now for me for, for just formulating and being able to structure it and to be able to create more.
Cause otherwise if I didn't write, like I couldn't work at the pace that I do, it gives me, it's just gives me like a more, it gives me like a lane.
Like a, it gives me so much structure when I write that if I didn't write, it'd be, it'd be a little bit, I don't know.
It would be hard for me to be present because I'm thinking more about what I should say or what I should ask.
Why should I react next than just being present?
Cause I already have an idea of what I want to do.
So having a plan, like, and it's weird because with podcasts,
with podcasts like this, this, you never know what to expect.
You know, I, I never know the outcome, no matter how prepared or how much I write, you never know what's going to happen.
But, but that's what I, what I look forward to.
Like, I love, I enjoy being candid.
It's like when people ask me like, Hey, what are the questions that you're going to ask me?
Like, is this going to be scripted?
Or I'm like, well, if it were, then I mean, like, if I tell you how the movie is going to begin and how it's going to end, it kind of takes the fun away.
So do you, you know, do you, you know, people just want to make sure they're not walking into a trap.
That's, that's all it is.
I feel like that's another thing.
Like some people have, like some hoes, like I can only, I can only speak for myself, but some, some have an approach where it's more like that gotcha aspect.
Like they feel like everybody's up to get like ask controversial questions or things like that.
And I don't think every guest that I have is going to take the time to go over my content, my format, and just get a feel of me.
They, you know, it's the, you know, you got to give them like, that's why establishing a brand is so important because that's people look at your brand.
They just know that they're safe.
That's why I took upon, you know, the endeavor of trade registering and trademark my content.
I went to New York.
I met my lawyer, Pablo, the trademark lawyer.
Shout out to him.
He's a web three lawyer.
And he told me like, you know, you got to do this.
I was talking to him on the phone and he was telling me like, look, my mind.
You see me, my, my, like, like I got goosebumps.
Listen, you have to, you have to do something with this content.
Cause I didn't know.
I'm like to me, this is content.
This is fun.
And this is great.
And it seems to be going somewhere.
But he was telling me like, look, you have to do this.
If you really want, if you really care about your community, if you really care about your content, then you, if you feel like you have established a platform by now, then you should definitely trademark your brand and just commit to it.
And I, and I feel like I was already committed before then.
I just wasn't fully sure.
Like what's the implications, but what, what, what's not to, to consider when it comes to like your brand where people can just look at it.
It doesn't take much explanation.
They don't even have to look at your content.
They just know by word of mouth, like this guy is legit.
His content, it's, it's, it's digestible.
It's, it's, it's welcoming.
It's, it's this whole thing.
And I understand what you're saying.
Like some people are just scared of being on a platform because of that reason.
Yeah.
I mean, that's kind of, you know, we, we, we try to avoid that where, where possible.
Um, we want to make people feel welcome.
You know, we don't want people to feel rushed.
Um, you know, we want them to be able to tell us their story in their own words.
Um, you know, there are some spaces where we, you know, we do talk very, very little, um, because, you know, it's not about us.
It's, it's, it's about you.
We want to know more about you and what makes you tick and what you're all about.
You know, that this platform is for you.
It's not for us.
Do you know what I mean?
I think Kali wanted to say something.
No, no, sorry guys.
I was multitasking and I, I, I just touched the mic.
Sorry.
Well, you already said something.
That's, that's, that's, that's, that's about, I guess that's value.
Even though I was unsolicited.
So this is another thing that I enjoy about Kali that even in the most, like, there's never a dull moment with her.
It's just fun having her, whether it's unprompted, it's weird.
Like I, I, I, I am cutting onions and I cannot see because of the tears.
So yeah.
Very, very spontaneous.
I, I couldn't, I don't know how I could create content.
I mean, she can't make it to all of them, but when she can, it's just great.
And like, if I could have her on every space, that would be very selfish of me to say that.
I wish I could have her on all the time because she's just in this.
She's, she's, how should I say?
She's just indispensable.
Like she's just, she's hungry.
She just sounds like, uh, we should give Kelly her own space.
I think.
Oh, she does this.
I mean, you should actually have her on one day because it's, you will have a lot of fun with her.
She's very fun.
She's funny.
She's much funnier than I am.
No, I'm not.
Don't trust him.
See?
Yeah.
Point proven.
This is what I mean.
How could I not want to collaborate with her all the time?
It's just, you know.
Yeah.
And I love that when, you know, when you get a connection like that, like, you know, our friendship is, you know,
like, you know, our friendship between us is, is kind of like what fuels everything that we do.
Um, and we, we, you know, we know each other enough to, you know, have a laugh with it and people enjoy it.
And, you know, like bacon is from the south of England.
I'm from the north.
Um, I don't know if you know much about England, but you know, we have a million reasons to not like each other.
And, uh, we just laugh about it and use it to, uh, to fuel our sense of humor with each other.
So, you know, it's great when you've got that kind of friendship with people.
So, uh, yeah, we appreciate that.
But I was just going to mention something you was talking about earlier, uh, Fernand.
And, and first of all, it's, you know, it sounds like you've got a great, um, lawyer that's looking at getting you to solidify, you know, your, your footprint in web three by, you know, taking the necessary steps to, you know, strengthen your brand.
And also, um, it sounds like, you know, the, the decisions that you make and are having a positive impact on, you know, how you want to conduct yourself by going into, you know, content writing, um, you know, how you conduct yourself around other people and brands and, you know, taking what you do very seriously.
Um, and you can do that while still having an enjoyable time and making it fun and for people and making your guests feel comfortable and, uh, you know, just building up good rapport with people and, you know, strengthening that network and being willing to collaborate with people and not being threatened by what anyone else is doing.
Cause you're just, uh, you know, improving yourself at your own pace.
Cause you know, that is the beauty of, of being on a journey of your own is that, you know, there's no, there's no competition.
You know, you're just improving yourself every day and, you know, building out what you're doing and you'll find that people resonate with that much better and will support it.
Cause they, they're not going to see the growth, but they're, you know, they don't get any bad vibes from that because, you know, you're not trying to bring anyone else down to lift yourself up.
You're just, you know, lifting yourself up and want to bring people with you.
So, you know, I thought, I just thought that was a good thing that you was touching on.
You know, one thing I want to go on the record.
It's like, cause I want to, and this is where I kind of different myself from all this.
Cause I've been to, you know, I've been to space to a bunch of spaces and as a listener or whatever, but I mean, ah, there's host.
And this is where I'm a little bit critical here, but there's hosts that are a little bit trigger happy with the mute button.
And I pretend that it's not there.
I wish like Elon Musk would do something where you could like hide it.
Cause it's right next to the speaker prompt button where you just go there.
And I, my phone has a crack on the screen and every now and then, like, I will just mute people left and right.
Unbeknownst whether I know it or not.
And then like my co-host will say, Hey, Hey, I'm like, Oh shoot.
Okay.
So I never used the mute ever after all these 300 podcasts and so on and so forth.
Like I have never intentionally used the mute button and I don't want to use it because to me, like, it's like an atomic bomb.
And when I see some hoes doing it, like they mute and they, they can justify the reasons.
Like in my opinion, like if you start monologuing while you have the whole entire space muted, it almost seems dictatorial to me.
And yeah, I agree.
I've only ever muted people when, um, the noise has been disruptive or, um, they've didn't have something constructive to say.
In fact, they just came on to troll.
Um, yeah, you know, so, and, and so on, I think that, um, I love all, I have also had to, um, you know, silence people that weren't the feature guests.
Um, but we're participating a little bit too much because we wanted to focus on the guests.
Um, that's the only time that I've used the mute button.
I've never, you know, we've, we've never used it to, you know, silence someone and talk over them.
Um, you know, to, you know, you say go, go on some sort of monologue to justify the reasons of silencing you.
I'm a big proponent of freedom of speech.
Um, even if what you have to say is complete garbage, um, I believe in your right to be able to say it.
Um, but, uh, yeah, that's my point of view.
You know, like I have, and I'm not going to lie.
I have used it in the past.
Like one time I remember using it as a co-host for the first time.
And my host was encouraging it and thanking me for it because like you, like you could, you could imagine.
I mean, it was the, the, the speakers were just being disrespectful, disruptive, everything.
And I just used it.
And then the host started talking and I was like, I mean, this, if, you know, to me, it felt like putting the ring of power from, from Lord of the Rings.
You just, you just, you just use it and I felt like, whoa, this is, this is powerful.
Like, you know, I can make people shut up.
And it's like, to me, like, there's something about that, that it, it, it can make you feel like there's like this tickling feeling of power and it tickles a little bit.
And I'm like, Ooh, this feels good.
But it also, it's like, I'm a, I'm so aware of it that I have to like step away from it.
Now, don't get me wrong.
I have like input in, there's been times where, you know, I kick people out of my space.
I've done it because they've been, they just won't let my guests speak.
So I won't mute you, but I will kick you out of my space before I mute you.
Because I feel like it's more appropriate to just, and more fair to the guests, to the audience,
to remove that person who's just there for themselves.
I mean, obviously then, you know, for everybody else.
So to me, like, that's, that's where I pretty much, that's where I, that's to the extent of my policy as a, as a creator.
Because I think like anybody who's looking to host these spaces to the, to the degree that you do or I do,
it's, it's, they should at least know that, you know, there's going to be times where you need to address your audience accordingly.
And I see it in the spaces where it gets toxic.
And, you know.
Yeah, totally.
I mean, there's also times there's been me as a co-host would like to be able to mute the host.
That's, that's not possible.
Yeah, carry it.
If you're looking for a job for a co-host, it's funny enough, one, there's a slot available.
Yeah.
No, I could, you know what, there should be a, a, a mute host button for the co-host, definitely.
Because there's times that I probably do need muting sometimes.
But, but no, it's, it's, it's, it's a good point that you're touching on.
Because, you know, all jokes aside, we're, we're trying to create an environment where people can build, learn and grow.
And if people come onto the platform and are attacking that, you've kind of got to protect it.
And, and when you host your own show, you have, you know, the right to choose who does what and who doesn't.
And, and I think people can distinguish the difference in you just trying to silence someone for negative reasons.
And so you trying to protect the positivity of the environment that you've put a long time into building, you know, and you, Fernand, seem like the kind of person that wants, you know, a good environment for people to enjoy.
And if someone is to attack that, you know, I'm sure you would protect that and people would recognize that that was what was taking place rather than you just choosing to, you know, take some sort of dictator role of trying to control what people do and don't say, you know.
So I think it is important that you, that you use those abilities wisely, especially if you're trying to, you know, build something authentic.
Yeah, the, again, like just to pretty much end it on this note, as far as like the muting and aspect of it, like, look, I'm not gonna think of you Lester because you used to mute.
I don't personally use it because I have my reasons.
I know how it feels to be muted.
It doesn't feel good.
You know, for good or for whatever reason, you know, especially if you don't expect it, I've seen it in big spaces, small spaces, I see how it's sometimes, it doesn't help, it just makes the people even matter or more rowdier, so, you know.
But it makes them more combative and then that means you're falling into the trap that the person that used the mute button is trying to get.
You're just giving them the response that they wanted when they muted you.
It's something that, you know, I don't think it gets addressed enough because, you know, people hold spaces and I think there should be like some kind of courtesy.
I wish there were more courtesy.
I mean, I'm just giving my take on it, like, again, like, even to you or to anybody, if you have to mute, by all means.
But for me, like, it's just, I take it, I really, I'm very vocal about it.
And the reason why I'm vocal about it is because I know how it hurts, especially if you, because I can't speak for everybody, but some hosts don't look after your best interests at heart.
And if you're being led on to believe that if you're being muted and this host is letting you speak and then they keep muting you, I think there's better things that you could do with your time.
And you might as well host your own space or just go to somewhere where your energy will be well received.
Yeah, I mean, that's not the kind of Twitter space that I'm hanging around in.
I tend to try and avoid that kind of stuff at all costs because it's just, it's just, it's just a good value in the way I see it.
But I know the kind of spaces you're in about, and I just stay away from them.
That's how I deal with it.
Yeah, it's, you know, again, like, it's very fortunate that we can have these spaces and speak our minds and share our opinions, you know, for better or for worse.
And doing it, you know, respectfully, I, like, I cherish that, you know, freedom of speech, freedom to speak your mind, freedom to believe in what you want to believe, whether I disagree with you or not.
Like, I want to, if anything, I want to, I look forward to meet people that disagree with me, because that makes for an even better conversation sometimes, usually.
It just does.
It makes it debatable.
It's like, it just does.
Like, I like the dynamic when you can talk to people of different diverse opinions.
And that's something that I look forward to and I encourage.
Speaking of diverse opinions, we have James on stage.
James is planting trees.
He's planting a lot of trees.
Howdy.
Hope everybody's doing well today.
Yeah.
Just to stop it in, show on some support.
Glad to hear people collaborating and building, sharing knowledge.
Thank you, James.
How are you doing this afternoon, my friend?
Are you good?
Yeah, I'm doing well.
Yeah, just trying to stay busy, trying to check in.
I know I wanted to probably schedule to be a guest again.
Um, I have a, another thing happening.
As always, I'm staying busy, you know.
Um, the, there's the Giveapalooza, which is on GiveIt.
There's a whole bunch of different projects.
Uh, if you give $5 or more, you can be entered into a raffle to win $125,000 of their tokens.
And I believe it's still a couple thousand dollars in value, um, for donating to charitable causes.
Uh, you entered into raffles.
And then there's a joke race coming up.
I'd love you guys to help me with.
Uh, I want to win $10,000 to, uh, build some cool stuff.
And with your help, uh, I know we can get it done.
Um, we may well be hosting a, uh, community walk-in tomorrow, um, because we have a guest
lined up, but they haven't completed the form.
Um, so we're not 100% certain if they're going to be here.
So, um, tomorrow might well be a community walk-in.
So, uh, why not put by tomorrow and we'll have a chat about it?
Look, look, I have to ask you.
I mean, you'll, you'll be here tomorrow anyway, but, um, but yeah.
Yeah, I'll probably be here.
Um, yeah, that'd be awesome.
Yeah, we, we do have, uh, one guest booked in for tomorrow, but the second slot is still
available, um, at the moment.
So, uh, if you wanted to do that, you can do, um, but also Fernand as well has, um, a
podcast and a show as well.
I'm not sure what the, uh, procedure is to sign up for that, um, but we're going to find
out ourselves.
Um, but yeah, I mean, Fernand, if you want to touch on that, actually, that'd be awesome.
If, if there is a way in which people can access your podcast.
As a guest, um, if you could let us know how that, how that plays out.
That'd be awesome.
Well, my DMS are all, are open to whoever wants to reach out to me and my website.
You can go on let's hang with Fernand.com.
You can subscribe to there and you can, uh, I can email you, we can email each other.
And, um, I'm figuring out how I can incentivize people into, you know, just inquiring.
Like, you know, if there was a way that I could just incentivize inquirers, like I would
encourage people to, you know, just ask me how to get on the podcast.
Cause I mean, I'm always reaching out, but people can always reach out to me and, you
know, so, you know, the trickiest part is figure out the time zones.
Cause when I'm having like a guest from UK, from Iran, from Russia, from Japan, wherever
the world is, it's like, I want to be able to, you know, get, you know, a schedule, a space
that is more in tune with your time.
So rather than mine, like, I don't mind, like I re I don't mind compromising my, my, my schedule.
Not that I'm compromising.
I mean, this, this sort of time, uh, can work because, uh, in Australia, um, it's like 6 AM.
So, I mean, it's doable if they're die hard, um, you can, you can get that to happen.
Um, and then guys in like, uh, Middle Eastern Europe, you know, it's like, uh, late afternoon
for, for those guys.
Um, and then over here, it's like getting to, sorry, over in the States, sorry, it's like
lunchtime.
And then over here, it's like, uh, what's the time now?
It's what, uh, half, half 10 roughly.
Um, so yeah, this sort of time can work.
Um, I think apart from sort of Europe and across, it's not, not so useful.
Um, but for, for here in the States, it's kind of good cause it's like mid afternoon into
the late afternoon.
Um, so yeah, I mean, time zones are, are a pain in the ass.
They are a major pain in the ass.
A form to fill in for people or what?
Um, so I thought, uh, Christian jumps on there.
You might not, might've been here.
Uh, he said, do you have a, do you have a form that you can fill in?
Um, to, to, do I, do I have a form?
Yeah.
Cause we have a form, you know, that people complete when they want to, you know, be, be
featured on the space.
I'm going to have to figure out how to make a form something because it's like, they have
like Calendly, but I think you gotta like subscribe to them in order.
I don't know if it's free or not.
Um, I can, I can help you out if you want with the form.
Yeah.
If you could help me out with that, because if I can like put something on my, I'll link
somewhere.
Because we, uh, free job form.
Um, um, cause we don't have a budget to work with.
So, um, we're doing anything.
Uh, yeah, Christian, are you speaking there, brother?
Yes.
Yes, I am speaking.
Um, yeah, he's speaking.
Uh, yeah, I mean, Christian, Christian, Christian is a diamond.
Um, he's on the core team.
Uh, the other co-host here, he does all the, all the tech stuff.
He does all the contracts, the branding, uh, the website, um, all that good stuff.
Um, I look, I look forward to the days where he drops a whole bunch of cool shit in the
chat.
Um, you know, new logo bits or, uh, new banners or.
Or, you know, just silly, silly little meme stuff.
Um, or, or just like some of that sort of like really good AI, um, scenery type stuff, you
know, with some sort of shady character and this sort of thing.
Uh, but he builds discords and he's, he's a legend.
Um, yeah, let's connect, connect, who can't hear me?
Um, I can hear you now.
I had to close the app and re-open it.
Oh, good.
No, cause, um, yeah, if you need help doing that, we, we work without a budget also.
So, because we haven't monetized what we're doing, we do have services that we provide,
but, um, like videos and, uh, discord making, uh, all that kind of stuff.
So if you want me to help you, just, uh, check in with me in the DMS or.
Um, yeah, I mean, he is a legend.
It's our Christian, uh, with capital, uh, like, yeah, just every now and again, um, you
know, he just comes up front.
So, I mean, there was a time where we desperately needed a new website and I think it was within
24 hours with the website and then within like three days we had the domain and then
like, we were ready to rock around.
So, but yeah, yeah, that's one thing cause I mean, I, I, I launched my website through,
uh, Squarespace.
I don't know if you're familiar with square, but Squarespace and they, they have all these
AI tools and it's, it's pretty cool.
Like how you set it up.
And so I went with Squarespace and I pay like a, a monthly fee for like.
Cause they, they have different plans and I just keep it up every month, but it's, it's,
it's great for like anybody who's, who, who's not so familiar, like who can't just jump on
Linux or WordPress and like create all these prompts to build a website from scratch.
Squarespace.
Not that I'm sponsored by Squarespace to say this, but yes, Squarespace is a pretty good
platform for, for founders, for anybody who's developing like a website, you know, for themselves,
for some, for, for someone else, because it's the only thing that I don't like about Squarespace
is like the forms for like scheduling.
They, you have to outsource.
So they give you like the, the option of outsourcing with another platform that charges you more money
just to have that form there, which I thought that was kind of, I don't know.
That's the reason we don't have a budget.
I did a website with Canva and we don't pay for that.
We pay just a subscription for Canva and we can launch a website on that.
So, and, and I use JotForm and I just create the link in the website to the JotForm and that's
just basically free.
So, so if you need to just, uh, knock on my door.
Well, I followed you already.
I'm going to be DMing you after this podcast and see how we can collaborate because I would
like to, again, like, I would like to have you on my, on, on the space, on the panel as well.
And, um, this is, you know, like, I really, really enjoy it.
I don't do very much talk.
I'm a doer, not a talker.
I see.
You know, you're, you're definitely that I would like to collaborate with.
I mean, all of you, it's, it's amazing.
And it's amazing what you guys have been putting together here and delivering and producing.
It's just, I want to.
We've been providing value before taking anything else from somebody else.
You know, you, you guys are amazing.
Yeah.
Thank you, bro.
I appreciate the kind words.
And, uh, yeah, there's so many good people around that, you know, we've, we've just kind
of been working together for a long time.
And, um, you know, we've always been strong believers in trying to add more value than
we take.
And, uh, you know, the beauty of, of what we do is, you know, we get to come across a
lot of amazing people, which we, you know, we have done for years and, uh, and, and it's
great to see the collaborations that take places and the sparks that come from it.
And, uh, you know, we can, we can always add value to one another in, in a multitude of
ways, which is kind of how, uh, you know, we started, um, you know, a lot of people that
were around, uh, didn't have the, the funds to build what they wanted, but they had a
skill of their own and lots of people had different skills and they shared those skills
to help each other build up towards monetization.
And, uh, you know, because a lot of people saw, you know, value in each other, um, that
wasn't just calculated, um, monetarily.
Um, so, uh, you know, a lot of amazing bonds were created and, you know, we're still on that
journey today of just trying to help each other, help other people and collaborate as
much as humanly possible with as many amazing people as there are.
So, uh, yeah, Christian is very skilled and a legend and, uh, I could go on about it all
night of all the amazingly gifted people we've been extremely fortunate to meet.
And just when he was talking earlier about how, um, how fortunate you felt to have the
community that you have, you know, we feel the same with the team.
We've got the community, we have the networks, the partnerships and all the amazing
skills that are in and around that as well.
It's been a monumental journey so far and, uh, you know, we're only just getting started.
So it's great that our passions can collide and we can feel happy and excited about that.
It's, it's amazing.
You, you really, not only you learn a lot, but it's just the experiences.
Like when I go to like an RL event, if I go to a conference or convention, I go see
like, I'll go meet Sal or all people that I have created content with and I get to meet
them and, you know, they get excited to see you.
You get excited to see them.
It's like, that's what it's pretty much, it's all intended for.
Like, yeah, we, we, we start the connections here, but then we don't just keep it here.
We, we, we meet up in places.
And I hope that, you know, one of my, I really hope that this, this platform can grow to a
way that I can like reach out to people on a more personal level where I can travel and
meet them.
And, you know, it's just, but the, the, the possibilities are endless.
I mean, I, I look at like, when I look at the end goal, I mean, yes, that could be that,
but it can turn into another thing.
And it's, you know, whether I'm creating content or let's say I'm developing in the WebTree
space, I could like, you know, you, you brought up a great idea.
I can't like turn my articles into NFTs and, you know, I can do things like that.
I mean, those are all great ideas and I, you know, that's, that's one thing that I always
learned that I say this and I, you know, Kali have probably heard me say this before,
but it's like, if there's one thing that I can learn or become from every podcast that
I host is to become a more humble person the next time I show up, it's just being more
grounded to, to everything.
Because why should I feel, I mean, why should I feel, I wouldn't say smarter after each conversation,
because do you really feel smarter after you read a book?
If anything, when I read a book, I realize how much I know of and how much curious I feel
after I'm done reading a book and it's like the same feeling that I get after I do a podcast.
Like if I feel smarter, that means I, I like, it's like, I don't know, something about ego
that I, so, because some people are ego driven.
I'm not necessarily ego driven, but I see value in having like an ego to kind of have
confidence because at first I didn't have the confidence, but after hosting so many spaces,
you kind of develop a confidence and that kind of, you kind of develop like a persona.
And I guess you could call that an ego, but I feel like you should have, I think everybody
should manage their, their egos.
Because you can be overconfident, you can be underconfident and I don't want to like,
like I can make mistakes and I encourage people to correct me if I'm wrong.
But for the most part, like, I want to be able to be confident that my platform, it's
serving to the best of its abilities, you know, even though it's, you know, it, it can definitely,
it's a work in progress and I, I just enjoy the fact that there's always room for improvement.
Whether it is by, you know, minting content that, you know, NFTs for articles or even like
Merck, that's me, me and Kelly been talking about that a lot, you know, there's just so
much stuff.
There's just so much stuff that I can, you know, I'm just happy to know that there's
different directions that I can go with this, you know, and just picking one thing wouldn't
do the others any justice.
I think the more I can do abroad, you know, this is like the, the main thing, like I will
always do this, but I want to be able to, to try, you know, also level up to other challenging
things like articles for me, it's quite challenging and that's why I want to be able to overcome
those challenges, like writing for me, it's, it's, it's a big deal.
Yeah.
I mean, overcoming that challenge and taking that step is quite difficult.
I think Rev can probably talk to that.
Tell him how, how you got started Rev.
Yeah, sure.
No, thank you.
But yeah, you know, I started creating content after, you know, finding out about Bitcoin
from a friend and I started, funny enough, I started off on downloading the Pi, the Pi
network app, which sort of simulates you mining a token, which isn't actually mining, but it's
just accumulating a number that you will eventually be airdrops if it does play out.
Um, so I started looking at a lot of content and I always wanted to be a content creator,
but I've, uh, I've suffered chronic anxiety all my life just through my mental, uh, health
challenges that I've been facing.
Um, so having the confidence to do so, um, that I just didn't have it.
And over a long period of time of watching content and finding myself falling in love with the
cryptocurrency world and web three.
And I, um, I just took that leap of faith and started making content.
Um, and then from that, I, I very quickly found people that supported my videos that, um, I
resonated with that kept coming back to the videos I was making.
And then the rest is kind of history.
There is a lot more to it, but it would take me quite a while to explain it all, but that
was kind of how my journey started was.
That's what, that's why you need to bring him on for, uh, for one of your interviews.
Yeah, no, I would love to do that.
That'd be awesome.
Um, but yeah, but taking that leap of faith into something can be quite nerve wracking.
But when you start to, you know, realize that everyone has an opinion and everyone will
form an opinion of you, whether you like it or not, no matter what you do, um, it helps
make it easier to take that, to take that step.
And, um, I know this is a cheesy quote, but I've said it quite a lot, but if you look within,
you never go without.
I love that quote because it's true.
Once you start to only need your own validation to do things that you don't look externally
for that validation and you can just only ever focus on improving yourself, um, which
this community has been iconic and on point with helping not just me, but many people
do the same thing.
Like our telegram chats on a Tuesday, uh, we host a mental health space, uh, would have
started about an hour ago on a Tuesday.
Um, and that's where we, uh, yeah, we often, uh, chill there, crack jokes, have a laugh.
Um, but you know, someone's got a serious topic that they need to bring up, then, you
know, we're there to listen, um, or just have a laugh.
Um, that's, that's, that's what it's there for.
And that's hosted by our Miss Evie down there in the audience.
What's up Evie?
Hey y'all.
Oh, I think it's pretty cool to know that you guys are multi-platform discord, telegram
access.
Like I, I, I pretty much, uh, dwell in those platforms as well.
Cause you know, people that I collaborate, collaborate with and, you know, encourage
me, well, they work, they, they do things there too.
And, um, I like X, I really do.
I wish I could do more on this platform, but I know that some platforms are better than
others in, in, in a few things, you know, for like, I think it's good to do like, uh,
to, to compress your communities into smaller groups.
And from there, you can like get more value out of like, let's say if you take people and
put them there, you can get, you can format better relationships or better ideas.
Sometimes when you condense a group into that, in that way, like I see, I see the purpose
in that.
Like, I, I just wish I could do everything here to be honest.
Not that I discourage anybody from using other platforms.
I mean, I use telegram.
I use Instagram very rarely.
I mean, I just, you know, I do everything here, but it's just amazing to me.
Um, you know, one thing that I also appreciate is, it's AI, like, like when I use Grok and
I'll ask him, I'll ask Grok, like how, how to write an article.
I mean, I asked that this morning and it's like, it's kind of give me all these, all these
prompts and all these, you know, it's basically a template.
And as long as you have a template, you can kind of fill in the blanks.
And it gives you like that, that foundation that you can create on top of, you know, you
just have to be, you know, you have to be present in the moment.
Like for me, it's just one of the things for me that's kind of hard is just being present
because it's like, it takes like when I'm like here, I'm present on a space.
This is, I'm very present when I'm like engaged in a conversation, but when I'm not engaged,
I'm just, I keep my head down.
I go to work.
I do what I, and I'm thinking about other things.
But when it comes to like spaces, like there's nothing where I'm more fully engaged than
when I'm talking to someone.
So it's like, you know, that if I'm, if you have me as your host, like I'm listening to
you and I'm one to listen.
People, am I, am I talking too much?
Am I ranting?
I'm sorry.
I went on a rant.
People, my guests will say that.
And I'm like, no, this is, I encourage that because yeah, some people, people, people
monologue and that's okay.
I can do it sometimes too.
I try not to do it too much as a host because I'd rather listen to my guests more because
it's just, I'll sometimes have to like pace myself.
Am I talking too much or am I talking less?
How do I provide context to this?
But for the most part, like it's very organic.
It just flows as I go.
But this is, that's another thing that makes it so fun.
Like, yes, we're sharing value.
We're sharing content.
We're creating content and we're, we're elaborating on your story or whoever else's.
And we're, but we're also having fun.
And it's true.
You know, sometimes you have conversations that, you know, people get emotional and that's
another thing too.
Like when people share, I mean, I can't even, what can you consider oversharing?
But when people share things and they'll say, I can't believe I'm saying this on a podcast,
like, look, I don't take that for granted.
I mean, that's another thing that I find a privilege of people not only find value and
like, cause yeah, people can, people can promote their projects and whatnot, but just using this
like, as a way to express themselves, something that is meaningful to them.
And just me being present to listen, to hear them all.
Like they don't even have these conversations with their best friends or their family members.
And here I am a total stranger.
You know, I, I think about all those things and I feel like, wow, this is, this is pretty
awesome.
But at the same time, like, this is kind of a big deal for, for, for me in the sense that,
you know, this is more than just content creation.
This is social work.
You know, I'm not, I'm not a licensed social worker by no means.
I'm not a therapist or none of that, but I'm happy to lend a ear.
And if I can give someone a hug that really needs it, I would, because it's, again, it's
not just about monetizing or building your platform, building your community and building
and, and, and scaling your brand and doing all these ambitious things.
It's, it's, it's a little bit more deeper than that.
And that's one of the reasons that it kind of solidifies me as a creator, because it just,
I see beyond what people expect me to.
It's like, how should I say?
Like, it's more than just that.
It's just more than just what you see.
People really, really see value in these conversations, because if they're willing
to share, you know, what's been, you know, bothering them on a space, like I had guests
who will, if I asked them, talk to me about your childhood, they don't even want to talk
about their childhood.
And I respect that.
You know, some, some people have really, really, you know, when, when I ask a question
and when I do get an answer, I value it because I know that some people can't even speak about
their own childhood.
And if they do, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's tough for them.
And I am just very fortunate and privileged to be a conduct of those, of those feelings.
I get what you're saying there, because for me, being in spaces and just sitting in listening
to people, just being the listener, that, that helps me enormously with a lot of things.
I enjoy hearing about other people's journeys and stories and I don't like to talk about
my own, but, um, it's just, it's like become my family now.
So I'm here every week, 99% of the time here, just listening in because it's just part of
my lifestyle now.
So yeah, I get what you mean.
It's, it's, it's very, um, powerful and impacting.
It's, it's one of the most, like, it, it, it, it humbles me every time because, again,
it doesn't matter how big that, that, that platform or whoever's guest's platform to be,
like, they all have struggles and they all come from different backgrounds and you are
just there, like I'm there and I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm having this conversation and it's meaningful
to them to share this with me, with the, with our audience.
And it's, it's, it's amazing.
Like this whole thing about content creating, like it's, it's, it's, I never thought that
it would blow my mind like it is.
And it does like these conversations, they, they, they really have an amazing impact.
Like if it resonates with me, it definitely resonates with someone else, but to what degree,
I mean, it's more than just a conversation when you realize like people really have so
much more to offer to this world than not just, not just their work, but their voices.
Like, you have, there's a person attached to every brand.
And like, if you don't hear that voice, you don't never really going to know what was the
purpose behind that.
Cause that's, that's, I didn't know, like you are doing something for a reason.
I mean, yes, a lot of people do stuff for money, but some people do it because it's therapeutic
to them and I've talked to numerous NFT artists and they'll tell me, you know, creating art
has kept them alive, have kept them.
Yeah.
There's, there's something to that, you know, pursuing your passions.
Um, it, it, it definitely, you know, sets your mind, right.
Um, you know, pursuing the thing that, you know, makes you, makes you whole.
Um, and speaking of which, I'm sure there's a person that really resonates with the Hill,
um, is on the stage.
Um, good, good friend of ours.
Uh, we will be bringing the space to a close pretty soon, but I just want to bring Hill into
the conversation.
How you doing, buddy?
Uh, happy Saturday.
Yes, it is Saturday and here in Australia.
Good morning, everyone.
GM from Australia.
But you know, like some things here, um, that really sort of, uh, you know, check the boxes
for me, Ferdinand.
I just got to tell you, man, I'm going to kind of re, I got three things really quick, but
I'm going to sort of rewind a bit.
Um, first the, you know, in regards to putting your articles, um, in the format of like NFTs
and things like this, I think this is a great idea.
Um, the reason I'm saying that is because I wrote, um, some books and I'm going to be
putting those out as NFTs.
Um, and you know, there's different options.
So I would encourage you when you do that to get different options for that.
Um, it's easy to make them audible where people can just download that option.
Yeah.
Or readable, right?
Like, you know, um, like where you can put it on the Kindle or something of that nature.
Um, but yeah, so there's lots of options there, man.
And I've found that this is probably like through the past couple of years, um, you
know, I've, I've written these books yet.
And then I've sort of researched like how to go about it in actually, uh, for what I'm
doing, like I've sort of taken it back one step, uh, just to add another layer to that.
And so, um, I'll also be putting all that stuff out on Amazon, you know what I mean?
Even though I'm not like a massive fan of Bezos, I'm not going to go into why, but, uh, you
know, fact is, is, is that, you know, if we have information, um, that is functionally
usable by everyone, right.
If we have something that can contribute, you know, if it's a, in a written format or verbal
format, yeah, it's important to make it available.
So I just want to encourage you to do that, to make yourself and, and your information
as available as possible.
Um, and then the second thing is, you know, like really being able to just be there to
show up, yeah, in web three and in real life, just to show up, whether you're talking, whether
you're listening, um, that's a value.
Yeah.
So being there, being with everyone, contributing to conversations, contributing to that vibe,
yeah, is a value.
And so I find that when you can produce, you know, calm sort of spaces, when you can have,
you know, very interesting interviews and ask personal questions and whether people are
willing to answer or not, you know, that's a different story.
But, you know, the fact is, is, is when we put things out there like that and we share
our lives openly, um, it allows other people who wouldn't normally do that to know that,
all right, well, this is possible.
Like I can talk about some of these things that I've been through.
I can, uh, relate to these people in, to be honest, uh, for most people, uh, to do that
with a complete stranger is much easier because it eliminates this sort of, uh, how do I say
that?
Like closer proximity judgment.
Yeah.
Like, you know, your, your friends that you hang out with every day and everything like
that, they're going to have a, uh, an opinion of you, right.
And they're going to have developed a perception.
And that perception is either maintained or changed like throughout every conversation.
Yeah.
So when you talk to complete strangers, that sounds weird, but when you talk to complete
strangers, that's removed because they have no initial, um, sort of perception of your
life.
Yes.
They see your face.
Yes.
They see how you dress.
Like if it's in real life, um, if it's on Twitter or whatever, it's just your voice,
you know what I mean?
But I find that like just opening that door for people and allowing people to be who they
are, right.
Uh, is, is a massive win.
And then the third thing is, is, you know, sort of continuing on that, what you're doing
and how you do it is of great value because the reality here is that everyone has an intrinsic
value and whether they understand it or not.
Um, for those of us that have gone ahead and like at all costs, put ourselves out there
in the world to put forth the things that are central to us, like who we are, right.
For example, my books are like, you know, whatever, but like I have zero, um, you know,
scientific education in coral, but over the years I've learned heaps of information and
I develop systems, uh, to aggregate data for coral regeneration services the world over,
right.
As well as, uh, I'll begin building, you know, inland coral nurseries here in Palau and Indonesia
and in other places.
Right.
Um, and again, no scientific education towards that at all.
However, something I'm interested in and have loved since I was a kid.
So I can put that value out in the world.
Um, and I think that's the beauty of the time we're living in, right.
Is that we have the capability to teach everyone that they have a centric value, that they're
here for a reason, right?
That this isn't just some crazy chaotic life that we're all here for a reason.
There is a function and a purpose to life.
Yeah.
So when we can open that door for people, allow them to speak and be who they are, it creates
a stream of value, right?
As a stream of valuation where they can, can learn that this intrinsic thing that they
think, whether it be art or writing or just conversation or an idea or mechanics, or, you
know, even down to like coins, right?
Beam coins and shit.
Like the reality here is that everyone has a vision that they've had for a very long time.
And the more we have conversations like this that are open and where everyone is available,
yeah, just, just available to listen, to give feedback and not in this negative, like,
um, you know, choppy way where it's judgmental, but more of a, um, interested, uh, investment
to, to where you're like, Hey, this is, this is a great idea.
Maybe you could do this too.
You know, like consistently adding value, what happens then is those people become more
confident in who they are and they're much more likely to put those ideas and build these
things out in the world.
So I appreciate what you do, man.
And, um, that was pretty long, but that's what I got to say.
So yeah, big love, homie real talk.
Oh, thank you so much.
And again, I mean, this is, this is a passion project for me.
It's, it's something that I do out of my love and appreciation, the gratitude that I just
feel for everyone.
You know, it's, it's, you know, it means a lot to me coming from you and from everybody
else.
Like I get told, like, I get, I get told good, good, good things, bad things.
Like in the sense, like I could be doing something else.
Right.
I'm doing this.
I want to do this.
And I'd rather be doing this, you know?
And, but I understand that there's other things to, you know, prioritize and, you know, one
thing that I have been also been told is like the algorithm, the algorithm is funny.
I mean, at least to me, it is because it's kind of add the good and the bad, but the good
and the bad, at least for the algorithm, it has, it's just a number.
So if you add good comments, bad comments, good feedback, bad feedback, it just adds to
the algorithm.
And people say, I'm going to, I got to chase the algorithm.
I got to follow trends.
I got to create controversial content.
And I'm like, I don't want to, I don't want to be like this guy or that guy.
I mean, I admire everybody's approaches towards whatever they're doing, but when it comes
to like the algorithm to me, like, I just want to create content.
I want to have conversations.
I want to collaborate.
I mean, that's what I want to do.
And I have people with big platforms on my podcast and I, and, you know, and they'll ask
me like, what's the best time?
When was, you know, the, the early on, I realized like I'm a content creator.
When I told this, this particular individual, I just want to create content with you.
I don't care if this is sponsored.
I don't care what I want to share.
I want to have this conversation with you.
I want to talk.
I just, I'm curious.
Some people don't have, I mean, a lot of people, I mean, I can't speak for everybody, but you
know, if you're, if you're going about it, like just because of, if you're going with
the flows, I think that's how they say, if you just go with the flow, then you're not
really running under your own agency.
And I feel agency is one of the most important things as an entrepreneur, as a content creator,
as a developer, any platform that, you know, you decide where you want to go with this.
I mean, I don't know the destination, but I know where I'm going, but, but I know that
I'm going somewhere.
I know that I'm moving forward.
But it's like, you know, I don't, I can't, I can't assume that Christopher Columbus or
everyone, he would, he knew he was going somewhere with that ship.
He didn't know he was going to land in America or wherever, but he was good.
That's kind of like, this is like a ship, you know, it's just going somewhere.
And when it hits land, it's going to be awesome.
Yeah.
My, like, that's the one, you know, like reality, you know, like you're saying, bro, like I could
do a thousand different things and I could make a lot of money.
You know what I mean?
And I traded all of those things, like all of my whole life.
Yeah.
Everything I had built, uh, to do this.
And now I create content and I do it every day.
It doesn't mean I post it every day.
Yeah.
But I do do it every day.
And I, I create the content that I, how do I explain that?
And it's like what I see around me that's needed, which also includes myself, you know what
I mean?
So like, I think a lot of times when we begin to put information out, the amount of learning
that occurs internally, as well as, you know, what is shared externally is just massive.
You know what I mean?
So, so I think it's super important, you know, that people begin to choose like truthfully
what resonates with them to, because any look in, this is just an opinion.
Yeah.
But the way I see it is if that's not what you're doing, you're just devaluing yourself
and lying to yourself, trying to fit into some box that you don't belong in.
And, you know, again, like the algorithm and all this, like, I don't give a shit about
that.
I could care less, right?
You either, you either listen or you don't.
It's not, that's not my choice.
That's yours, you know?
And do I need to pump it out as far as possible?
Like, do I need those accolades?
Do I need that money?
You know?
No, I don't.
In fact, like, if it comes, it comes.
I don't even care.
Like, I do all the things I do because they're necessary, right?
Like, someone's got to step up to the plate in every sort of lane.
Someone has to step up the plate and someone has to do it, you know?
So a long time ago, I just guess, you know, when I began to sort of like calm down and not
really seek things in the world, I guess, I saw value there.
And I realized that internally, you know, I had one and I could communicate it.
And so I really think that just really being able to step outside of the box to put forward
what you are, who you are, and how you think not only teaches you much as you go along and
it makes the values that you're putting out, you know, larger and larger scale, they become
sharper, you know, more poignant.
And yeah, man, I really agree with that because like to me, the algorithm and all of this like
trending and all of that, I really could care less.
I'm just out here doing me, you know what I mean?
And really, that's all I can do.
So that's what I've learned to focus on and do because I find it to be a much larger value
than, you know, all the other things I used to do.
I used to build custom houses and I used to do, you know, non-surgical orthopedics and
all kinds of shit.
Yeah.
But the reality is, well, you are exactly where you should be.
100%.
You are exactly where you should be.
You always are.
That's the, that's the ticket, you know, you, you always are where you should be.
It's a matter of positional perspective.
Like, can you accept that and move forward or are you looking way ahead in the future or
are you stuck in the past?
You know, the value of now is great.
It is the highest value.
It is the place where everything changes and is made, you know?
So when you're active and engaged in that every moment, man, life becomes much different
and a lot sweeter, you know?
Yeah, I agree.
Trey, he's got his hand up.
He might just be here to tell us that he wants to go to bed.
What's up, Trey?
I got to say, first of all, I'm not where I'm supposed to be.
I should be home by now, but I had to pull in this parking lot so I could say, Fernand,
I was in your space last night.
What a great space.
I'm a big fan of Louis and I've been in spaces with him a few times, but you brought
out a lot of things that I didn't know about Louis and a great space, great host.
Thank you to our sponsor, Montage Token.
Oh, well, I'm glad that you enjoyed the space.
Again, I mean, this is, look, again, I don't plan out the outcome of it.
I'm just happy that my content resonates with communities of all backgrounds, of all ages,
of every nationality, whatever.
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
Wait a minute.
All ages.
What are you saying?
I'm old?
Oh, my gosh.
Well, he is.
He said you're dusty.
That's what he said, dusty.
I wasn't going for that.
I mean, you put me in a spot now, but you know what?
Hey, I stand firm on that, though, of all ages, because I look at my analytics and it
tells me, the age group, because they keep improving this stuff, and I'm like, well, it's
good to know that my content resonates with 50% of my audience is female, which I think
that's pretty cool.
Bro, on X, that's crazy, especially in this type of environment, 50% women.
You're lucky to be 20.
Look, man.
Yeah, I haven't seen his face yet.
I reckon he's gorgeous.
I reckon that's what it is.
I am very fortunate to have created content with a lot of amazing, talented women.
Again, I don't think women get enough credit, especially in the Web3 space.
There's a lot of builders.
I mean, I am, maybe I'm just one guy here that is very, all about empowering women in
the space, and like, you know, it's great.
Like, I mean, I don't, again, I don't take it for granted to all the women that
listen to my content, to my spaces.
I love you all.
You guys are, your ladies are awesome, and keep doing what you're doing.
But yeah, like, it's, you want to be able to always, if you're a guy, talk to women.
You know, don't hesitate.
And if you're a woman, talk to women.
Don't talk to guys.
I'm just kidding.
I mean, talk to, seriously, talk to more women, whether you're a woman or, because I
don't feel like there's a big enough, I mean, it's a big community, but I want to empower
as many women and as many, you know, everybody.
Everybody.
Oh, they're there.
Trust me.
I'm glad they're there, too.
Yeah, absolutely.
We need to be brought down a peg or two sometimes, you know what I mean?
We will bring this space to a close pretty soon.
Do you want to go around the room for final statements and stuff?
Yeah, we can do.
It's been an amazing space.
I do want to give a massive shout out to Montage, who sponsor our spaces, which we massively
appreciate.
They are an amazing team who are building a phenomenal, fully DeFi infrastructure and
ecosystem built around creating a wallet that makes it safer and more sustainable for
trading.
We do actually have someone on the stage right now who might be able to dive into it a little
more for us.
Hopefully he will.
He's just left the stage.
No, he's still there.
Well, it's still there on my screen anyway, so I'll find out if it's bugging out on us
or not.
But yes, we have Angry Mechanic, who has actually just left the stage.
But yeah, no, that's OK.
He might be jibbing out or whatever, but no, definitely check out MontageToken.io if you
want to learn more about who they are and what they are building.
They are an awesome bunch, an awesome team.
He's coming back now.
He's not going to leave behind and drive.
What a legend.
That's good.
But yeah, I should just kick him off stage now just to make it even.
But no, Angry Mechanic in the building.
Hello, sir.
What's up, guys?
I just keep getting kicked, so I just keep coming back.
It's a legend.
Dude, I'm loving it, man.
I'm loving the fire.
I'm loving the positive vibes, man.
I love how everybody's coming together, just collabing, chatting it up.
Seriously, if you're not following the people in this room after all the stuff that was
said, you need to wake up, have a Red Bull, have a Red Bull with me, have a little caffeine.
Because, you know, you don't get to where people progressively want to see success all
the way across the ecosystem due to expire.
I just love listening to you guys.
Thank you, sir.
We appreciate that, bro.
And I'm sure everybody agrees on the, you know, the collaboration part, because that's
how the industry wins.
You know, we all love the industry.
We love what it brings.
We love every different aspect that can be built from it.
So it makes sense that we work together as a movement for the people, by the people to
see us succeed.
So it's great that there are so many people that feel that way.
And the more there are, the more we can find and the more we can come together and make
this space stronger for everyone.
So well said, Angry.
I don't know if you would be willing to just quickly touch on Montage for us, if you wouldn't
mind, if you could just give a brief explanation of what it is.
Yeah, absolutely.
I know.
But, but, but after, after I answer that, you got to tell everybody what the plus is
about, how about that?
We'll just do like a tag team here.
You got a deal.
Let's go.
Let's do it.
So, so, so Montage, you know, we're a project that basically whenever we were looking at
the tokenization of trying to give crypto and confidence, we designed, well, we're ERC
20, but we designed a way that we could block Metbox.
Because we just got incredibly tired of people and communities, you know, losing a bunch
of holdings to Metbox.
We did a CEX strategy and, you know, I'll just release it in the space right now.
So we did a CEX strategy.
We are going to do a V2.
We're going to airdrop everybody.
That's going to be completely 100% DeFi coming in the near future.
So that's breaking news in here.
We wanted to do the CEX strategy, but looking at the market maker and looking at...
I think you just got rabotized a second there.
Can you hear me now?
Yeah, you're back.
Yeah, you are back in the building, so continue.
So we want to thank that community and that transition.
Like, literally everybody's just been awesome, been waiting, ready to build off the token.
But the other thing that we've done is we've got together with Antier Solutions and we've
created a DeFi wallet.
So that DeFi wallet, our goal is to onboard all of the small projects to help add utility
because we'll have an on- and off-ramp and also have a reward system to where we can generate
some income.
A lot of the projects, you know, take the high road, do a zero tax in, zero tax out,
and that kind of limits their funds, you know, later on if they need to do marketing or whatever.
But we are working with Antier.
The wallet's done.
I mean, iOS is pretty good, you know, not far away.
We're doing a Certic audit.
We're just hoping to get it out for everybody.
So that's basically what we're trying to do.
I mean, I've played with the wallet.
I love it.
I think it's really clean.
It's, yeah, one thing that really bugs me is bad UI.
Bad UI really annoys me.
And this app is great UI.
It's just really usable.
Everything is where you think it should be.
And that's, you know, we're also, thanks.
We appreciate that, Bacon.
We're also going to be adding tons of chains to this, too.
So everybody will, you know, be able to be comfortable with, you know, whether they're on
Sol, Tron, AVAX.
We're looking at other, you know, we'd like to have PulseChain on there.
We'd like to do VChain.
But we'd like to just spread across the board so that way there's not just one solidarity to it.
So where everybody literally can go in and just a one-stop shop to stay cold.
So we're looking at phase two, after the wallet launches, building a NFT platform on there, too.
So that's something that we're going to look to the community and, you know, see what they want.
And it's pretty much what we're trying to do is take that non or take that corporate-minded structure out of this and make something to, you know, where you can come and see all these communities together as one.
So the name Montage is to take a bunch of things, put it together.
One awesome video, one awesome collection.
Whenever we started out doing this, you know, we'll only be as successful as all of these projects that come in.
We don't have projects.
Just get everybody on there.
Where everybody's utility can benefit the whole entire community and all these communities.
Yeah, I think you've been getting rugged pretty badly there, mate.
So, Rev, I think you could probably retort with the, what's the plus all about, Rev?
Yes, I can do that.
But no, hopefully you caught the gist of most of that from Angra.
But not to worry if you don't.
We will talk about it every space that we're in.
They are amazing.
And, you know, they support what we're doing.
We support what they're doing.
And check out MontageToken.io if you want to have a read of it at your own ledger.
And they also have a telegram as well.
And they're super active.
They're active in all the chats that they're in.
They're in our channels as well and are super active in there.
So if anyone does have any questions, you can just reach out to them, reach out to their DMs, and they will always get back to you as soon as they can.
But yes, the plus.
So the plus is a visual representation of our Web3 movement in regards to community communities.
But it's got a multitude of meanings.
So first of all, we're advocates for mental health.
We're, you know, strong believers in people having the ability to talk and reach out, whether that be men, women, younger generations, older generations.
We want to normalize those conversations so that people don't think that they can't speak and end up going down a path to permanent solutions to temporary problems.
We also believe everyone adds value regardless of their skill set.
So whether people do things and build things or if they're just in the audience listening or resonate with the spaces and just listening or people who watch your content,
whatever it is that people do in the communities or in Web3, they add value.
We're also a movement of positivity.
So we want to be positive.
We want to support positivity.
And we want people to feel happier after engaging with us or the community.
It's a way that we can all stand by collaboration over competition.
And it's a way that we can all symbolize that we're of our own ecosystems and in our own individual journeys.
But we can also represent one and one another without sacrificing our names on our profile pictures as well.
So we wanted it to be a way in which we can showcase that we're together without without taking away from individuality.
So that's what the plus represents.
So if you're about positivity, if you believe everyone adds value, if you're advocates for mental health,
then we appreciate anyone that adds the plus to their name to help us on this movement to show the world that we are, you know,
a movement and that we we support togetherness and that we can celebrate togetherness without taking away from our individualities.
So, yeah, that's what the plus represents.
And angry.
Thank you for asking that question.
We definitely appreciate that.
Yeah, he's a log here.
He'll take issues.
Yeah, well, we appreciate him nonetheless.
But yeah, and but it does bring us to the end of our space.
So I will say thank you very much to Fernand and Callie.
We appreciate you guys joining us and and broadening our horizons on who you guys are.
And, you know, sometimes we get guests on and we're like, how have we not crossed paths yet?
But everything is like that Hill has taught us all very well.
Everything happens exactly when it's supposed to.
So I'm glad that we have, you know, as I was saying before, we're all believers of collaboration.
And now we know of you guys, hopefully we can we can jump on your podcast and your show and also add it to the list.
When people ask us if there's any other shows that they can go on, you know, enjoy themselves on or be featured by.
We can definitely pass them over to you as well and hopefully show up to some of your your shows as well, which would be awesome.
So on that note, thank you very much.
And we will go around the room now and just get closing remarks from everybody and and then say our goodbyes.
So first and foremost, Christian Doglins, have you got any closing remarks, brother?
Just usual. Like if you do like what we're doing and you want to support us, please follow us on YouTube.
The links in the comments below.
Check out our merch store, our website, just if you want to plant a tree, we've made a website in the name of James McGill.
Plant a tree. It's literally just click a button and you you plant a tree.
That's it.
Click a button, plant a tree, pay a dollar.
I think it's a dollar a month now.
But you can you can turn it off any time you like.
So, yeah, that's that's all for me.
I enjoyed that.
Fernand, thank you for coming to see us and we'll see you soon.
Just check with me for.
For your job form, I'll help you out there.
I appreciate your your you having me here and your I mean, everything you guys are doing, it's it's amazing.
I mean, from one content creator to another, I think we we can all look forward to what the future holds as we keep, you know, building our platforms together.
And, you know, it's it's a lot to look forward to.
I'm very excited.
And I mean, I couldn't I'm just approach every day more excited than yesterday, knowing that there's people to talk to, to engage with, to learn with, to learn from and to build with.
You know, it's important that we we build together and to collaborate.
I just don't think we we collaborate enough.
I mean, it's just I mean, everything is in due time.
I feel like that's that's also another thing.
We we all pay ourselves accordingly to our circumstances and whatnot.
But, you know, I really look forward to collaborating with you sometime in the near future.
And I'll definitely if you could help me with making a form to have people approach me for a future podcast or a launch or anything, that will be a much help.
I really appreciate it.
I would I would be surprised if he doesn't already have the solution to the exact problem.
It'll be it'll be a 30 second call.
Like, here you go.
All done.
See you later.
Bye.
He's a he's a fish in our Dugglins.
Well, I'm speaking now.
I'll give my final thoughts.
Yeah, as Christian said, join the YouTube because we were starting to get some movement on there.
And we want the likes and the comments, please.
That'd be very, very helpful.
But, yeah, another great space.
You know, we love doing this thing.
We love meeting new people.
And, you know, you are most certainly always welcome back.
You know, we do have community walk ins every now and again as well.
Where there's an open mic where we can just chill, chat.
You know, there might be updates or some some milestones you've hit.
You know, we want to know about that.
So, yeah, just join us, man.
Excellent.
Well, I look forward to seeing more of you guys then and everybody here.
Thank you so much for for for joining us and just sharing your time with us here.
It's it's it's awesome.
Thank you so much.
Kelly, did you have any closing remarks?
Yes, I do.
I want to say that, first of all, thank you guys and everyone listening.
I'm mind blown by the space and the way everyone everyone chipped in with so much knowledge and also the projects that you're doing every the token planting a tree, mental health.
And then we we also talked about how to write articles.
I know I'm I'm sounding as if I'm making like a little, you know, resume of everything we're talking.
But I'm actually replaying everything in my head because and I will replay this recording because I do need the information that you have.
I that you have provided and to be honest, one thing that I didn't talk to when it was talked and I really will will appreciate more knowledge on is the Canva use of the building of the website because I do use Canva.
I have been paying for Canva and I did not use that that feature.
So really, thank you for that.
I will definitely look into that.
Fernand, keep out.
I'm I'm I'm I'm trying something here.
So yeah, thank you so much, everyone, for sharing everything and all your perspectives and your insight.
Thank you so much.
Great space.
Yeah.
We don't we don't make the space.
You guys do 100 percent.
Couldn't agree more to that, bro.
Well said and space, obviously.
So carry on the Christian, bro.
I said the guests make the space.
That's why it was a great space.
So 100 percent.
Well said.
And hence, you know, the approach that we take because, you know, the guests are always awesome, always got an amazing story.
And it's great to see so many people come together every single week, every space that we do to just add value to one another and show love to each other and, you know, have respect for what everyone is building and everyone's doing something slightly different.
And if people are working on on the same sector, you know, they have their own approach to it, their own unique stance on it.
And, you know, we're all different.
And, you know, we all come from different places, different walks of life.
So we all have different ways in which we can add value.
And, you know, Web3 is great shining a light on that.
So, you know, thank you for the kind words and, you know, well said, Kelly, you know, there's so many amazing different angles to this and it's just mind blowing every single space that we do.
So, you know, we appreciate you guys both coming on.
The Hill, my friend, another man that's got amazing perspectives on all things, if I'm honest, is also got some books coming out and he is also supporting coral reef restoration by making sacrifices many either can't or just simply wouldn't.
So, yeah, have you got any closing remarks?
Hail you legend.
I do, mate.
I do.
First off, I want to give a shout out to Crawford down there.
You know, Crawford is part of the reason that I'm in Web3, mate.
Like when I started sharing what I was doing, Crawford, you know, put out an invite for me to actually get involved in the project that I'm in, which is now multiple projects, you know.
So big shout out to Crawford, man.
Huge love, brother.
Miss you.
Love you.
And I'll call you right after this.
Yeah.
But overall, you know, I think I think the important thing here is that, you know, we all do have a value.
And you can see through the space that everyone is putting out that value in different formats, different platforms, different ways.
All different types of content creation, making room for others.
There's collaboration, not just in projects, not just in tokenization, not just in wallets.
But all of our lives are growing together in a way that's extremely beneficial and there's much to learn, you know.
So I just want to encourage everyone, you know, stay you know who you are, man.
Learn that.
Yeah.
You can learn a million things in the world.
But if you don't know who you are, you got no chance of putting that out.
And at the end of your life, I can guarantee you that's going to be something that comes up and you're going to think to yourself, you know, oh, well, I wish I had to really, you know, put myself out there.
Because we get, you know, this shot, right?
This time, the time of now is really where we put it out, yeah?
So be you now.
Put it out there now.
Make those choices now and just go for it, man.
Because all things are going to work in your favor.
Just stay true to who you are and continue.
You know what I mean?
Love you all.
Wow.
Love that.
The way that you say it.
How do you follow him up?
It's impossible to follow this guy up sometimes.
I know.
And just imagine the wagon wheels in the background as well.
Just wrappers all over the place.
You know, it has to be complemented by a wagon wheel.
I'm out, bro.
I'm out of the wheels.
I'm out of the wheels, bro.
Cabinet is empty, yo.
So for those that don't know, last week, ViRevolution sent an email to WaggleMills asking if they would like to somehow sponsor what we are doing.
Did you get a response, ViRev?
I did.
And it wasn't what I was hoping for.
They, but I don't think it was us.
I don't think it was an us problem.
It was just the timing.
And they've already been reached out to the set amount of people that they are willing to collaborate with each year.
So I said, do not worry.
I will be back next year and I will be back on the 1st of January at 00.01 hours.
So I'll wait my email.
I'll send you a reminder for that one.
Yeah.
Reminder set.
I am ready.
I've got multiple emails and multiple accounts just in case they don't catch mine.
Position.
Exactly.
Exactly.
It's going to be an ambush.
So, yeah.
If the internet goes down.
I'll tell you what, though.
If you did, though.
If you did.
I mean, how much respect do you reckon I'd have for the fact that you've posted that, like, bang on midnight of New Year's GMT?
Yeah.
We've had a lot of requests from up north in England this time around.
All similar names.
We've got Mick, Michael, Michelle, Miguel, Michael, Mick.
Mickey and this other guy called Die Revolution.
Let's go for that one.
I like the sound of that.
But, yeah.
No, I didn't get the response.
I was hoping for it.
But the fact that they responded, it did make me laugh because I was just like,
Wagon Wheel read our email.
I was just happy at that, to be fair.
That was really good, actually.
I call that a win.
That's a win, bro.
Exactly.
We should also send Tracy Chapman an email asking if we can use a song in our spaces.
We should, actually.
We should.
In fact, I'm going to do that right now.
I'm going to...
I do miss the Tracy Chapman.
Things you don't do are never going to make happen.
Things you try to do, you never know.
It might happen.
That's it.
I actually did a post about that recently, and it's,
Failure isn't missing your target.
Failure is never shooting your shot at all.
And I love that.
So, shoot your shot, miss 100 times, and learn from each time.
You need to hit one.
Judging by the number of kids you've got, you don't miss.
Yeah, I can't personally relate to missing, but...
That was right on target, that was.
Oh, that was.
That didn't miss either.
Let's be honest.
Let's go.
Yeah, data five over here.
By the way, we take a long time wrapping up stuff here on the space.
Yeah, we have to wrap up early and still end up being late.
But, yeah, no, I think we have CryptoTor in the building as well.
I don't know if he's still working on something,
because he's always doing six things at once.
Are you able to have any closing remarks, CryptoTor?
They are.
Shechem.
Hey, guys.
Yeah, I'm able to talk, yeah.
Yeah, great space.
Love to hear what you've got going on, Fernand.
And, yeah, I look forward to getting on your podcast.
Definitely.
Appreciate you there.
Coming into our space.
And Callie, of course.
The door goes both ways.
You guys are welcome.
I'm welcome here.
Let's welcome each other.
Let's go.
Let's get it done.
Let's go, Legends.
Nice one.
I had to close it up and reopen it there.
Sorry, my bad.
Sorry, Beck.
Any closing remarks from Trey?
Sorry, I put him right on the spot there.
He's probably in the middle of, like, liking and retweeting some stuff.
Oh, he's having tech issues.
He can't hear you.
So I will translate that for him in Northern,
because it's probably because you're Southern and not tech issues.
I was over in Discord, you know, doing my thing.
Yeah, I really enjoyed today's space.
I really enjoyed last night's space.
Fernand's a good host.
I look forward to meeting him.
Where are you at, Fernand?
I'm in Florida.
Oh, nice.
Are you going to Art Basel?
Yes, sir.
Yes, Art Basel.
Awesome.
I'm probably going to meet you there with Tricky.
I'm pretty sure you guys must be mutual friends.
Yeah, yeah, we know Tricky.
He would normally be here on a Friday or Saturday night.
Yeah, I met that guy.
Yeah, I met him twice.
I met him at Art Basel.
I met him in New York.
Did a podcast with him.
Great guy.
Yeah, a lot of love for Nick.
He's a legend.
He was part of the team up until a little bit more recently.
He's focusing on his own endeavours.
He's built a colossal community over there.
So, yeah, that's amazing.
We're all so interconnected.
I know Zal's been putting on some events.
And long may that continue.
I actually reposted it.
He posted about Zalcella on TikTok.
And I did the repost thing where you can, like, you know, share it out on your page.
But for some reason it was flagged as unoriginal content, which made me quite infuriated.
But a few people saw it before it got taken down, which was good.
Yeah, TikTok's always been a little bit funny for content.
And that's funny enough, Farnan, that's where we started our journey was through because we're all content creators.
And we came together on TikTok and we've progressed onto all of the socials from there, which when we go on to your show, we can dive a little more into it then.
Because I know we are wrapping up here, but TikTok is funny with taking stuff down, which is quite frustrating, really, because they've got features that they want you to utilize, but at the same time will sometimes penalize you for using them.
It doesn't make sense.
They should really build that into their infrastructure, where if your account's monetized, but reposting is considered as using someone else's content in an unoriginal manner, they should just take the duet factor out of it or not add it into the monetization segment of the platform.
But what do we know?
But yeah, that's the story for another time.
But no, yeah, the Art Basel sounds like a really exciting event that a few people we know are going to.
So definitely looking forward to seeing some content of you guys meeting and connecting.
And Trey is a legend and goes to a lot of events and connects with a lot of people.
And we always love the pictures he takes with all of the amazing people that we speak to in Web3.
So yeah, definitely looking forward to you guys getting a selfie or two.
And then we can see why 50% of your community are of the female species.
So let's go.
Yep.
Again, I'm just fortunate.
I'm just, I don't know why women like me, but I'm glad that they like me.
Yeah, I'm going to credit Callie for that one.
But no, I'm just kidding.
Well, Callie, I mean, she's just, I mean, she's awesome.
I mean, she's...
I definitely am grateful for Fernand and the way he's conducting himself and the podcast, the spaces.
So yeah, definitely, definitely admiring him.
One of the men that, you know, women, where are you?
Why aren't you in Fernand's DMs?
Okay, I'll leave it at that.
Because I don't want to...
I can be a wingman now.
See, I can be everything.
Chameleon here.
Callie chameleon.
Oh my no.
My DMs, again, my DMs are open always.
Yeah, Beth wingwoman in Web3.
Come on, come on, come on, chameleon.
That's it, Beth wingwoman in Web3.
Let's go.
More woman.
More woman.
No, I love it.
No, we appreciate it, guys.
And thank you, everyone, for joining.
It's been an amazing space.
We are back tomorrow.
We are featuring a project called Docks.
This is a project we've never featured before.
I think they're quite new-ish.
And the ecosystem is built around making Web3 safer.
The way that they put it is they are doxing shady developers or at least trying to create some sort of infrastructure that showcases who the bad actors are so that people can help avoid them and also conduct themselves in a much safer standing in Web3.
I think that's another TikTok community as well because I know some of the team members there are some guys that I recognize from TikTok.
So I think this is definitely a collaboration effort with this Docks thing.
So I'm looking forward to hopefully speaking to some – catch up with some friends tomorrow if I think who's on the team is on the team.
Yeah, that's it.
I mean, I don't know who the team are.
I mean, I know some of the community members and everyone seems to have good things to say about it.
So definitely excited about learning more about them.
And that's the beauty of doing what we do.
We get to meet people, connect with people, and sometimes we come across projects and we're like, oh, no way.
That's you guys.
We go back.
So, yeah, no, definitely.
That's really cool.
So looking forward to that.
So we will wrap it up here.
Thank you to everyone on stage.
A massive thank you to everyone in the audience and everyone who listened in and shared the space out and, as always, who add mad value to what we're doing.
But not just during the spaces as well.
You share out our content, you know, throughout the week and, you know, our real shining representation of one another.
And, you know, when people add the plus to the name and conduct themselves with respect and want to add value to the people around them,
that just is why Web3 has the potential to be so powerful for the future.
And you guys know we're doing this to help support not just the people in the industry, but for the next generations as well.
So on that note, we will call it a night.
We appreciate everyone.
We will be back at the same time tomorrow.
Fernand, Callie, we definitely will meet again soon, hopefully next on your platform, and then we can have you back again on this one.
So on that note, we will wrap it up.
Thank you very much, everyone.
It's been amazing.
You guys are awesome.
And we will catch you same time tomorrow.
Take care and stay blessed.
Much love, everybody.
Thank you, guys.
Good night.
Thank you for having me.
Bye-bye.
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