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🎙️WEB3 | +C.O.C ft SaltySharks Uprising | the evolution of education 🦈
Recorded: Jan. 2, 2026 Duration: 1:34:40Space Recording
Short Summary
Salty Sharks is making waves in the crypto education space with significant growth and innovative partnerships. The project has launched a new mindfulness VR app and is collaborating with educational institutions to enhance learning experiences, showcasing its commitment to both education and marine conservation.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. good afternoon happy friday welcome to the community communities web through space hope
everybody is good thank you everyone for tuning in and to anyone that's playing back the recording thank you so much as
well of course tonight is a super special space we are super looking forward to this we are featuring
the legendary salty sharks uprising and talking to the founder rob connelly the absolute ultra
legend the face behind the evolution of education we're super
excited to get a 2025 recap some insight into 2026 maybe and just a general conversation to
see how he's doing how he's been what he wants to do in the future and just also a nice friendly
conversation between friends to just enjoy the evening and hopefully to get
some people excited about some cool web 3 stuff and web 2 stuff as well so that being said it will
of course take five or ten minutes just for everyone to jump into the space to um get on the
stage and all the fun stuff so yeah happy friday everyone Happy Friday. We have Rob on stage already, so we may as well dive straight into a hello
while the team come in on the stage.
How are we doing, Rob?
Happy Friday, sir.
All Saturday for you.
Yeah, happy Saturday, mate.
Happy Friday for you.
Happy New Year as well.
Can you hear me okay, volume-wise?
Yes, loud and clear.
We can always hear you.
Excellent.
And as much as I appreciate that warm welcome i think the legend status is uh more apt aptly belonging to yourself mate so but uh great
to speak to you again and great to be back on the spaces with you guys and i think this is your first one of the year. So even better to be featured again as the first one of 2026.
Pretty exciting stuff.
Let's go.
Thank you, sir.
Appreciate that.
And yeah, I didn't even think about that, you know.
I mean, the finish off of 2025 was so cliffhanger-ish that, you know,
I forgot that we're into the next year and
it's already 2026 but yes you are the first space this year which is absolutely iconic that's
definitely one for the history books but uh no i appreciate you coming on and chatting with us and
i know you've been super busy as you always are and things are looking incredibly well for for
salty sharks so we appreciate you coming back and spending some time with us.
Mate, absolute pleasure.
Absolute pleasure.
Always love being here.
It's been an incredible last 12 months,
and I know the next 12 months are going to be even more crazy.
So I'm looking forward to sharing some of that with you guys.
I mean, when you think about it, this is our – I'm trying to think.
This is – November last year was our fifth anniversary as a company in Web3.
Wow, half a decade.
that's wild that is amazing i mean i'd love to know the percentages of projects that surpass
That's wild.
That is amazing.
I know, right?
that five-year mark which of course for many reasons you know is a difficult milestone to hit
so the fact that you smashed it and smashing it is is just incredible so you know well done because
you know the blood sweat and tears are behind the scenes, you know? Oh, mate, look, it's a huge journey.
These things are not easy.
And I take my hat off to anyone who has been around through this period
of time and seen the incredible highs and lows of Web3, safe to say.
So, yeah, hats off to anyone who's survived around this year i know i know a few
others as well actually who are who are very much the same vintage so they're still here so
it bodes well for for that part of the market i think and and for the longevity of web 3 as well
so which is always exciting um so yeah it's pretty cool i mean who knows this time next year or even later this year
we might be doing one of these update
spaces
together in the same country
based on the way things are currently going
so again you're going to
what's happening in the same country
well I said we might be doing one
of these update spaces uh together in the same country possibly even the same room
no way tell me when and where and we're making it happen no wow just to just we'll have to wait and
see how the rest of this year plays out but it's certainly looking very, very possible that I could be heading over your way.
So, oh, let's go.
I know.
I like that.
That's exciting.
There's a lot of stuff coming.
It's incredibly exciting stuff.
That's amazing.
And that is what I think is so incredible is that with all the things that
you've been working on and done and doing,
that there's always exciting things to come.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
As a younger person growing out of, obviously,
well, obviously we've all been a younger person,
but coming away from having to be sort of like forced into education as a child,
I never thought I'd be excited about education.
I think everyone feels the same when you leave school and college
and you want to move as far away from anything educational as humanly possible.
To do full circle and go through the difficulty of trying to help my kids learn
and do homework and tackle certain things certain things that you know they just really struggle
with to have them be so excited about education and salty sharks um and what's quite funny is um
they've been on all your environments many times and sometimes they end up on different
environments on spatial um but they just think it's salty sharks so they just call everything salty sharks and it's
really funny that's funny he was only going to different ones yeah i was like i don't ever
remember him introducing cars into it that's that's interesting i'm like i'm like he's moving
too fast i can't keep up and i was like i was like are you sure that's salty sharks like what
what have you got to do it in this map and I realised that it wasn't, but I was just laughing to myself.
That is actually quite funny.
And I wonder how much of it is accidental and how much of it is,
I don't think I take a break from learning in this other environment.
But I'll just call it salty sharks that dad thinks I'm still learning.
Yeah, exactly.
Oops, I slipped and fell into a five mile race yeah i was laughing
i thought i couldn't wait to tell you that oh that is so good but yeah i mean just while i know it's
it's it's been quite a slow one over the last couple of weeks because obviously i you know
it's been christmas and new year and star dogs down there as well thank you so much for jumping
in star dogs i know you guys are in so many amazing exciting things as well i can't wait to get you guys back on soon to
unpack some of that because that would be another awesome conversation um but i just want to quickly
say hello to z3 on stage as well we've got z3 in the building happy friday z you all right brother
happy friday everyone i'm really looking forward to this one i'm a huge fan of salty sharks
as you know so i'm a bit biased because i hold a couple of their nfts but right back
action mr z how are you happy new year sir happy new year mate oh we got bacon and he's been struggling to join
happy new year mate oh we got bacon and he's been struggling to join
happy friday bacon how we doing sir you know what i nearly forgot it was friday
all the all this festivities and stuff it's throwing me all out of kilter and i don't have
to go to work on saturday so this feels very strange to have a friday night where i don't have to go to work on Saturday. So this feels very strange to have a Friday night where I don't have this doom
about me having to get up an hour earlier than I normally would to go to a job
that pays me for the day.
But I do quite enjoy, if I'm being honest, but I quit that job.
So Saturdays feel very different now.
They feel very different.
Well, congrats to that.
That must feel good.
Oh, dude, it's liberating.
I've been working my main job five days a week
and then on Saturdays doing this other job.
So I only get the one day of rest,
which was kind of like eating away at me for a little bit.
And yeah, so i had a real desperate
financial need at that point um so it really helped to fix that financial thing in my life
and now that's dealt with um i i basically it now costs me 25 quid a week to not go to work
so i'm basically losing 25 quid a week for not go to work so i'm basically losing 25 quid a week for not going to work for
the day so is that day worth 25 quid i kind of feel like it is i kind of feel like it especially
with the recharge factor and and the ability yeah to take for like i could just vegetate for ages um for a day i could just vegetate and do nothing
i spend no money i don't really consume a lot of things um therefore my existence costs me less
that's that's the idea that's the idea um so i'm hoping i'm hoping that that works out
and the thing is work work my main job's getting better um there's a consistent growth
in the company and i'm benefiting from that growth so um you know it's it's uh big goals for 2026
big goals for 2026. how are you rob i haven't spoken to you for ages it has been way too long
i'm very well man i'm very well it's uh it's funny this holiday season or period has, you know, it's one of those weird
ones where things kind of shut down for a week. You don't know what day it is, but you're still
building in the background, so therefore you're still working anyway. And then it's like, you're
struggling to remember when the next actual official work day is because you've
got things to attend it's like i don't know i can never work this out between christmas and new year
i just it's like a void um you don't know what day it is what time it is it's just nuts so for me uh
i've had to come back one day on the friday to do one day's worth of work on the friday
um so that's that's the thing that's messed me up is i've now got this random day where i've one day on the Friday to do one day's worth of work on the Friday.
So that's,
that's the thing that's messed me up is I've now got this random day where I've worked and now I'm off for another two days.
So hold on.
Oh yeah,
there you go.
And like not last night,
but the night before I was up until 3am working and I'm like,
now I just don't know.
Now.
And then of course you sleep a bit longer in the next
morning and he's like no no i'm completely out of whack now hey but congratulations on the book guys
oh dude i have a printed physical copy in my hands i don't know if you can hear that but that
is a printed copy of the community book and it's exciting you're you're
in there you're in there i have to order it i have to order the book i've been meaning to do
that this this last week amongst everything else so i've got to get on there it sells cheaper so
uh oh actually is that finished now no i think it think it's finished, yeah. But that doesn't worry about me. I'm still going to order it.
No, I do believe the Bruce tale has been extended for a period of time.
Let's go.
Nice.
Well, don't tell anyone so I can jump in and get mine.
I found a couple of areas, Rob.
I found a couple of areas.
I found maybe two pieces of art that he
picks in or doctoring um and then i found a couple of stories um where there's a couple of letters
missing it's not a space off but it's almost there it's almost almost there love it that's
been a massive body of work for you guys. So congratulations on the amount of effort and time and blood, sweat and tears that's gone into that because you've done such an amazing job bringing that to fruition.
So congratulations.
Yeah, and I kind of feel like we were dropped in it a little bit when we had one of our major partners um disappear on us yeah 100 yeah you
know we picked up the mantle and uh we did we did our thing um and we uh we kept goods we have come
up with goods you have exactly it's it's a success story. So absolutely huge.
Yeah.
I'm hoping it really shines a light on a bunch of people in this book,
including yourself.
I really hope the people in the book really benefit from this.
Because I just use it as a resource to go, hey, who are these guys?
What do these guys do?
Oh, you know, they've got a nice wh wholesome story let's see what they're up to but it's funny i still get people reach out to me asking me you know how to how to get
how to get involved in salty sharks or how to pick up the nft and stuff and i'm like
mate you can check secondary maybe um i think there might be some available um sometimes there is um i know i
checked uh about a month ago because i thought it might be might be time to get some some more for
for myself for the kids and there wasn't any available but might be some now i don't know
but um yeah it's a i don't mean to disappoint anyone but you know then they're like oh you're
gonna do another collection i'm like not for, not for the time being, no.
No, we're not.
The next one will be when the trading card game comes out.
So, yeah, you've got a bit of time.
I think Miss Eve was scooping them up off the floor for you.
What was that, sorry?
I said I think Miss Eve was scooping them up off the floor.
Oh, that'd be right
that'd be right miss eve in the background sniping absolute legend i've i've only got a few
i feel like i should have way more than i do but i have i have some, so... You know, way more than I know. But we'll get the...
I have more than most.
Absolutely.
But no, we really do appreciate you and what you do
and what you've done.
You know, we appreciate you participating in the book, of course.
We are super excited about it.
And, yeah, like Bacon was saying, you know, we've learned a lot, you know.
And, yeah, it's taken a little bit of time.
Fair play, it has.
But we just kept our heads down, kept working on it, got it done.
Bacon amazingly noticed a few things they need tweaking.
So they'll be tweaked, rectified, changed and redistributed as quick as humanly possible
and available to everyone as soon as possible as well.
So we're definitely super excited about that. I'm kind of tempted to do something a little bit off the wall right it's
the first time i'm mentioning this right i'm kind of tempted to do something a little bit off the
wall because we're not doing it i'm just kidding carry on because some of the things are so minor
i wonder if it's worth doing a print for those pre-sales and they get the copy
with the mistake just saying like i don't know
do you think it's like uh it's like owning a a coin mint where there's a mistake on the coin mint,
therefore it's worth more than the future.
Yeah, it's more the point of like Harry Potter, for example.
The very first book, there's an error where there's a word that was repeated
and there's another spelling error somewhere in the book.
Those books, that print later got rectified but how collectible
are those ones that um have the mistake well surely infinite surely this book surely this
book is going to be far more valuable than a a harry potter book i mean obviously that's not
oh yeah right yeah come on but you know what i mean though like it even because because the thing is they're so
this they are so minor it is genuinely so so minor there's like a i'll say there's a there's a space
missing i think you can surmise what that letter should be in order to then you know fulfill the
story still um it doesn't take away from it in any way so i don't know i i'm
kind of tempted to to maybe do that um send out those pre-sales and then uh and then update it
yeah definitely food for thought i mean what the worst or minor i actually thought he was being
petty at first um now i'm gonna joke but uh but yeah nice it's a good shout it's definitely one to
think about yeah i can't see any reason not to really and i think it will really give a little
something extra to people that bought the pre-sale by having them staking it i don't know
maybe maybe it's just me
well i can see both sides yeah i actually suggested that as well baker
i like it because it's easy idea but uh you go say something
i'll put my spotlight
i'll put my spotlight
yeah was you saying something no i was just saying i was just saying that i suggested it as
well that people that the uh pre-orders get the unaddited version do you know what i mean yeah
i don't know i just me personally i think that would be really cool um to intentionally do that um because like i say
i just feel like it makes it infinitely more collectible as an item and if you bought a
pre-sale then you know i kind of feel like you deserve a little favor do you know what i mean
yeah absolutely absolutely i'd have to put a vote on it in the chat and see what people say
yeah i think we should have a discussion about that but yeah i like the idea i think it adds
a little something to the book anyway we're not here to talk about rob and all the amazing shit
that he's doing yeah so rob to recap on your amazing 2025 i don't even know how it'll probably
take you a year to actually unpack the whole summary
of 2025 to be fair let's start in january and we'll go from there oh my god no actually this
is it so much happens in a year it is hard to actually do the recap isn't it like it's like
wow looking back on it all there's been so much so much happening that you tend to forget some of the stuff.
But, yes, okay, so 2025 in review, when you think about it, at the end of 2024, we had just launched the actual platform,
We had just launched the actual platform, the education platform online.
We had...
That's insane.
I know.
It's incredible.
We'd only just launched it and we had like, I think we only had three virtual worlds at that time,
which was the Manta Ray, Whale Shark and Turtle Beach.
I think we just had the three.
We launched it.
We launched on a sort of a B2B commercial platform called Webflow
at the time, which handled the back-end stuff.
at the time, which handled the back-end stuff.
And we were just sort of starting to get,
make a sort of name for ourselves out in the, I suppose,
the school market, if you will.
And when you think about where things are now today versus that,
that's kind of sobering when you think about it so in the last 12 months of 2025 we've added five
additional premium virtual worlds from topics from the pyramids of geyser to human anatomy
to additional marine species um so that's been absolutely incredible.
Um, I'm, I'm sorry, go.
Uh, it was the platypus, was it the platypus exhibit?
Yeah, the platypus as well.
So I'll get to that one cause that's a bit special.
Um, because that was a joint project with the school, which again was another major
Because that was a joint project with the school, which again was another major update.
update.
So there's been, I like to say also that the journey, because those particular virtual worlds were still on spatial as well, still hosted on spatial.
But the quality of the world that we could create, I think, improved dramatically throughout that 2025 period.
I mean, I still love the original ones and they're still very popular,
actually, which is great.
But I do want to eventually go back and tweak them and then just, you know,
maybe update them slightly because I think the quality of the virtual worlds
has just grown, not even incrementally, massively over the last 12 months as well.
So, you know, you look at some of the latest ones,
the respiratory system and just the quality is really, really,
really good and raved about as well, which is interesting.
We've done website updates.
We've done website updates.
We launched a new website.
We built our own back-end system and platform
for the B2B sort of commerce side of things,
which has infinite scalability, which is key,
and manages at a far cheaper cost that back-end system as well i mentioned that because 2026
or at least january of 2026 we'll see yet another upgrade to the website which is really exciting
so yeah we did that we added those virtual worlds we added project-based learning which is an incredible new resource for schools and
homeschool families as well which provides a ready to implement teaching tool to take the
content that's in the virtual worlds and actually apply it directly to classrooms and
teaching plans. And we built those that are curriculum specific across the UK, the US and
Australia as well. And we've seen a huge uptick in use of those and requests for additional ones,
which is amazing.
We've added real world activation activities. We've added SEL activities, um, and we've added guides that showcase the, um, applicability
of our education content to, uh, special needs, um, learners as well, uh learners as well as well as you know
gifted learners and the whole spectrum so we've actually you know fully
outlined exactly how different learners can benefit based on their learning
style from the content that we've produced and the way we've produced it
and how they can benefit from it so which has been pretty that we've produced and the way we've produced it and how they can benefit
from it. So, which has been pretty cool. We've rolled out into a number of different schools.
We've partnered with a school, as you mentioned just before, with Platypus,
to actually build a virtual world designed by their students. That got featured to the
that got featured to the upper executives
of the Department of Education in Queensland
where the school was based.
And they actually sent their executive team out to the school
to speak to the students, look at the virtual world
and go through it with them.
And they were just blown away by it.
They were stunned at the retention the students had on the knowledge of the platypus.
They went from knowing nothing about the platypus to being virtual experts on it, and they retained
that knowledge months and months later, so that when the big wigs and the executives came to the school and were asking them about it,
the students were still straight off the top of their heads able to, you know, share information
about the platypus, you know, in a very detailed way. So that memory retention that was brought
about by their work on designing the virtual world and so forth was phenomenal. And that was brought about by their work on designing the virtual world and so forth was phenomenal.
And that was mentioned by the executives as such a key feature
of the program.
So we've had interest from other schools in that program as well,
which is really exciting.
One of those schools that we'll be talking to early this year
actually is in the UK,
and they're interested in doing the same program where their students build one of the virtual worlds as well.
So watch this space because that's a new one coming for the UK as well.
So that's been a really, really special project to be part of.
What else have we done?
Jeez, 2025, my goodness.
We've added new partnerships with education providers,
obviously Modulo, the homeschool network that's in, I think,
12 countries.
They've added us to their platform and that was really exciting because that
was a special that's an invitation only connection and partnership to their
platform which was awesome we've done more with the local museum network here
in Australia which has been really popular.
Thinkering Collective, which is a US-based organisation for teachers to develop teachers
and enable teachers to develop different concepts
and edtech plans.
So they've partnered with us.
A new Greece affiliate, which comes into a project which we're doing for them,
which is nearing completion, which I'll tell you about shortly.
Costa Rica and Canada affiliate, which has been kind of amazing.
We also developed our own mindfulness app, VR app,
a mindfulness app, VR app, specific VR app called Mindful Moments.
specific VR app called Mindful Moments.
That is a standalone app for use in schools and aged care,
disability care and hospitals.
And early this year, early in 2026,
we have a clinical trial happening at St Andrews Hospital
here in Australia that are going to be utilising
our app for patient therapeutics to help patients deal with pain without medication,
provide patients with a distraction during long treatments such as cancer treatments
and chemotherapy to help distract them from
what they're going through and provide them a bit of an escape from it. And also for low-level
rehabilitation, physical rehabilitation of patients as well. So there's a number of different areas
that are being looked at by the hospital to trial this app in. And if it's successful, they will produce a clinical trial report
and publish that based on the results of the tangible results
of the APPS trial, which will allow us to push it further out into
the hospital and also the aged care systems. So that's going to be happening early in the new
year. But we built that app obviously last year, and that's been really cool because we added
multiple environments to that and capabilities. Our team expanded because we brought on board Angela, who's the head of curriculum now
for Aquatic Metaverse, and she's been principally involved in the creation of a lot of the PBL
resources and also a lot of lead generation and outreach as well. She's incredibly popular on
LinkedIn and in the network, teacher networks
around the world actually, she's incredibly popular.
So there's that as well that was done all in this last sort of 12 months.
We've delivered multiple in-person
virtual world training courses where we teach students
to build their own virtual worlds.
So that's been a big factor of 2025 as well
and is continuing into this year, which has been really cool.
So, yeah, I mean, I'm sure I'm forgetting stuff,
but, yeah, you kind of get the hint that 2025
was a pretty big year for the brand.
Incredible, mate. that 2025 was a pretty big year for the brand so incredible mate what an incredible year absolutely i said it for you there yeah incredible
yeah and that's phenomenal work and you know it's it was almost like that your ecosystem just felt
like it should have always been there and has always been there because you did so much in 2025
um but you know well done on accomplishing all of that you know it's pretty it's pretty phenomenal
i mean even i'm looking back on it now and i'm kind of blown away by just how much has been built and developed.
Yes.
Phenomenal.
I mean,
you know,
and what I love about it is it works.
I've seen it firsthand that it works,
that kids enjoy it,
that they get locked in,
that they learn things subconsciously,
that they enjoy the experience and that clearly it's resonating in schools it's resonating in
museums you know like people are starting to realize how much further and deeper the tech can
go um i mean i enjoy like the pyramids of gaza for example or geyser or however you pronounce
i'm always going to say it wrong yeah i don't think there's too many pyramids in Gaza anymore um but yeah no geezer yeah definitely
sorry that's not it's not even a good joke um but yeah look you know what and this is the point
isn't it is it's not about me saying um things that we've done or developed or you know the
things you know the highlights of the year for, what really stands out is the feedback and testimonials
from other people.
It's, you know, it's getting, having a school principal contact us,
ask us for a meeting, catch up with us and rave to us
about how the platform has helped their students
with knowledge retention, with engagement, you know,
in the classroom and provide specific examples,
provide examples of which virtual worlds
and what the results of their, you know,
last sort of 12 months use of that has done for their students.
That to me is, you know, last sort of 12 months use of that has done for their students. That to me is, you know, pretty mind-blowing because that's the proof of the pudding.
That's really where the rubber hits the road is that kind of review.
You know, it's having, I suppose, it's having education or online education platforms and
resource platforms that have been around for, you around for many, many years longer than us that aren't specifically doing what we're doing, but are still well-regarded, well-known education platforms.
Having them reach out to us and say, we've got to do some more stuff with you.
We've got to try and highlight your stuff.
We want to get your stuff on our platform as well because we've never seen
anything of your quality in this space.
When you hear those sort of comments from people, that's,
I think that's where the, for me, that's where the,
I don't even know the right word for it, but that to me is what hits home.
Where did joy come from?
You just know that it's not just, we're not living in a bubble of, you know,
just believing our own hype stuff, you know.
It's actually out there in the wider world that people are looking at it, loving it, and wanting to be part of it because they see how good it is for kids.
has had asked us said actually said you know if you want to challenge there's a particular subject
that um as teachers and i know students we find incredibly boring to teach uh and it's such a
struggle to get any engagement in you know would you mind seeing if you could create a virtual world on it that we could utilize, you know, instead. And I was like, would I?
And so that's actually nearing completion now and will be released later in this month.
And it will again blow your mind.
blow your mind um you know it's when i showed it to um angela who does the pbls and stuff she was
she was like oh my god i can't believe how good this is for people who are also looking at creative
writing because it's going to inspire so many students to to create their own stories and
create their own adventures just by exploring this virtual world
on this particular topic. So, and I'm being coy about what the topic is, because I want to surprise
everybody. But yeah, it's kind of like, when those things happen, I'm like, that's the evidence that
we need, that this is having, you know and is only going to have a more incredible impact
as the months and 2026 continue on.
It's just phenomenal.
I mean, it's incredible what you've achieved this year, dude.
There's connections, global connections, places like South America
and all sorts of places.
Oh, mate, absolutely.
I released a list online on Discord about the number of countries
where teachers have been reaching out to us from.
And it's mind-boggling.
It's mind-boggling. It's mind-boggling.
It's hundreds of countries, which is just amazing.
So, you know, it's still early days, but the growth is just incredible.
The growth in the brand awareness is just incredible.
And, you know, you just know that it's going to become a behemoth,
You just know that it's going to become a behemoth.
And we've just got to manage that growth to make sure that we don't,
make sure it's manageable, make sure it's controllable as well.
So I know I mentioned that Spatial has been the platform
that we've been utilising as a host for these virtual worlds.
And that, as you might already know, that comes with some limitations as a platform.
It's great.
Don't get me wrong.
I love it.
But it does come with some limitations.
Well, I'm very happy to report that we are well advanced now in the development of our
well advanced now in the development of our own platform and in fact the virtual world we are
own platform.
building for a school in greece on archimedes the archimedes virtual world is both a vr and web that is built on our own platform. So that will be released in the next month
and you'll be able to access it from our, obviously, website,
their own school website and a downloadable VR app.
And one of the drawbacks to Spatial is it's VR interactivity
is quite limited,
the amount of interactivity you can do via VR,
whereas ours is fully VR interactable.
So everything you can do on the web browser in terms of interactive features,
you can do via VR as well, which is, and the quality is,
I'm going to go with maybe 20 times better.
It could be more, but I'm saying probably at least 20 times better quality.
You know, I'm obviously heavily involved in the development with the team
and even I was blown away by the quality increase that we've been able to get
out of our own platform.
So I've tested the VR app of the Archimedes world myself
just last week and it's, oh, my God, it is absolutely incredible.
Some of the features, obviously.
So what this one involves is it's an expandable hub that we've built.
So it's a hub built in the ancient city of Syracuse where Archimedes grew up and lived.
And so there's a market square of Syracuse.
There's an actual hub of,
hall of experiments hub
where you can access different historic
and famous experiments of Archimedes.
And then what you do is you go to each of those,
you go through a portal to each of those experiment rooms
and you participate in the experiment with Archimedes.
You get to sort of relive his learning of that,
or his discovery of that particular experience.
So the first two is the Eureka bathhouse
and the Archimedes screw.
So, you know, the Eureka Bathhouse one, for example, the student goes in and they get to
study displacement and the weight of different objects in water by literally lifting up different
weights and putting them into water and watching the amount of water displacement,
measuring that displacement and reporting on it. So there's that level of interactivity, both in VR and also the
web browser. They get to engage with Archimedes himself. So Archimedes is a NPC in the virtual world where, driven by AI, they can use voice or text to ask him questions and get responses from him where it's not scripted in terms of they don't it's not a scripted question thing they
can ask whatever they want but he'll give answers based on his on the knowledge that the chat bot
has acquired about Archimedes and his experiments and his history and so forth which is really cool
so that's far more open-ended and capable with that sort of ai bot integration
than anything that we could have done on it via spatial and that's based on our own platform
and then they can engage in in all of his experiments as well so the archimedes screw
one they've actually got to reassemble the screw and the pieces of it they've got to activate it and and
see the water pump up from the screw into the irrigation channels which is really cool they
then get to manipulate the different pulleys of the pulley systems that obviously Archimedes
developed to lift different weights
via pulley systems.
So they get to be involved in all of that.
There's far more involved quizzes, interactive quizzes
for them to do as well.
So it's just an incredible environment
and it's going to be the new normal.
It's going to be the new benchmark for our virtual worlds moving forward.
Eventually, we'll move all of our content to this new platform
that we've built ourselves.
But this one will open up a lot of scope for new work
with different schools who can actually, you know,
through partnerships, fund the development of virtual worlds
specific to topics they want to explore and make them available to all.
So I'm super excited to release this and showcase it.
It's going to, it's just going to blow people's socks off.
That is absolutely exciting oh man that is amazing yeah we're only two days into 2026 i know i know i kind of been cheating i suppose because we've been working on it in december
but but yes yes if you take away the the factor, it's a 2026 achievement.
That's brilliant.
I just felt like the limitations of Spatial were kind of holding back the bigger vision.
And I'm glad that you've got this other world that can give you more flexibility to really craft an environment
sort of from scratch essentially
well yeah i mean it it gives us the opportunity to you know we've modularized the building of
our own platform to the point where we can um we can in a far more cost effective way um
we can in a far more cost effective way
build new virtual worlds based on that concept, that feature
and it's very affordable.
So it's taken a long time to get to this point
but putting this as an aside
it kind of makes me wonder why Spatial stopped developing
their capabilities in this area,
probably because they were focused more on games and education perhaps
and that's, you know, not a criticism of them.
That's the direction they wanted to go in.
But I look at the capability of what we're able to do now,
especially with the, you know, the integration of AI chatbots,
you know, keyed to specific educational concepts.
It's just, yeah, it's kind of crazy, the stuff that we can do.
So, yeah, branching or breaking out of that sort of restrictive space
that we were operating within Spatial, which was, you know,
obviously also driven by cost,, which was, you know, obviously also driven by cost,
driven by budget.
You know, because when you're building the platform,
you know, you don't have infinite funds
and we have to manage the funds that we do have very carefully.
So, but yeah, we're definitely getting to that point now
where it's becoming, well, it's become more feasible
to do what we've done, and this new platform with the Archimedes world
will very much be a groundbreaking new way of doing it.
And given the fact that our stuff was already considered
to be some of the best quality that people had seen,
you can only imagine what their reaction is going to be
to this Archimedes one.
Yeah, it's...
I'm very excited.
You're about to melt, Mines.
I think you're just on this trajectory.
You're finding the right connections in the right places.
And you said you've got this lady.
Was it Melissa?
What was her name?
Angela?
Angela, yeah.
Yeah.
She sounds like she's really sort of out there getting stuff done
and connecting with people.
She's incredible.
She's absolutely incredible.
Incredible.
She's a teacher experienced in teaching in three different countries,
She's a teacher experienced in teaching in three different countries,
the UK, Australia, and actually I can't even remember
what the third one was.
But, you know, she's got an absolute wealth of experience
and connections.
And having that kind of level of detail-oriented person who is in the weeds with the teachers and knows what their pain points are and can then help guide and make sure that we are meeting those pain points has been massive for 2025.
for 2025.
You know, that's obviously where we've made the connections
with PBL Future Labs and the development of our PBL activities
as well, which just adds that extra dimension of capability
to the virtual worlds.
You know, it just, yeah.
And we're adding, this year we're adding mission briefs,
which is another resource to those in addition
to project-based learning.
And the mission briefs will give students a sort of lower level introduction
and guided introduction into all the virtual worlds
by helping encourage them to get into it, you know,
with smaller, more achievable sort of activities.
So I'm not explaining that as well as she would,
but the mission briefs are going to be a really, really cool feature,
which will be added in the early part of this year as well.
So, yeah, I look forward to it.
She's just incredible, mate.
The amount of work that she's done and scope that she's given to our platform is pretty phenomenal.
Yeah, she's amazing.
And her energy as well is just phenomenal.
And you can really see, like, she genuinely cares about the kids and their education and helping them attain the best quality
of education uh so i'm such a an awesome addition and one that just clearly is is worked so well
for you as well which is just great to see which you could kind of see that a million miles away
anyway you know so you know i'm glad that she's added huge value and you know
to the value that you've created as well but that's so exciting that you've you know you've
got your own environment to build from that like bacon was saying removes those limitations and
just provides an absolute immense runway for 2020 twix that 2020 twix that's a
new one 2020 yeah yeah yeah i must be i must be hangry for 2026 but that's that's that's super
exciting but just think it's i'm so blown away actually by the launch was only end of 2024 because of how much that
happened in 2025 and all the all the different amazing environments and
i um absolutely love the barnyard and the um the the full body one as well my kids absolutely love
that the respiratory system yeah yeah yeah it was funny because when i saw it i was like i wonder if
i could jump out of the mouth and i could it was so funny yeah my kids are laughing that i found a
silly thing to do and like that kind of became a game we played for ages because you know what kids
are like that is oh yeah four thousand times but then that's that's the that's the beauty of it
isn't it that's what makes it so entertaining is those things.
I mean, you don't want learning to be boring.
I know I can make it boring because, you know,
the way I speak and stuff probably is not as infectious as others.
But, yeah, you want the environments to be entertaining
entertaining um and kind of interesting so um and we keep we keep adding new
and kind of interesting.
ways of making them fun as well which which is part of what i love um you know being a creative
writer um you know i love coming up with new ways of making something interesting so um which has
been really cool um i was gonna i was gonna to mention just talking about Angela for a second
and all that she's done for us.
One of the other big things for this year, and I do have to thank Angela
for this because she's the one who came to me with the connection.
We've actually partnered with the dolphin discovery center which is a
aquarium attraction in wa and they are going to be rolling out our education resources and
mindfulness app in a special zone that they're creating in their aquarium to help people
there's a particular term for it and i can't remember it right now but it's in their aquarium to help people.
There's a particular term for it, and I can't remember it right now,
but it's around that mindfulness but around the power of the ocean to increase and enhance mindfulness and relaxation.
So they're going to be adding those resources to their aquarium.
adding those resources to their aquarium.
And then later in the year,
we're going to be building a custom app for them
in the same vein, which they're funding,
as a joint project between them and us,
with a view to us eventually,
probably towards the end of this year,
beginning to build a full digital virtual world replica
of their aquarium and dolphin experience in the bay at Bunbury
so that they can offer that as a virtual world experience
online to anyone, which is an incredible first for aquariums
and is no doubt going to have a lot of interest
from the local government over there as well,
state government in WA.
So absolutely incredible opportunity.
They've dabbled a little bit in VR stuff previously
and it's always been really bad quality,
which on their own admission,
but they've seen our content and what we're able to produce
and they're sort of blown away by that,
and now they want us to work with them to eventually build
out a full virtual twin, which is a massive project and will require, you know,
state government funding, which they've got access to,
to bring off.
But, yeah, it's just going to be an incredible opportunity,
incredible project to work on with them,
and an incredible partnership to sort of showcase our capability, you know,
not just in education but also in marine conservation
and aquariums.
So absolutely stoked about this partnership,
and that's come about because of Angela's connection
in that local area.
So, yeah, so really excited by what this is going to bring
to the brand as well over the next 12 months.
That is phenomenal.
No, that's an absolute game changer.
And, you know, to establish partnerships like that to be
able to support sea life conservation um maybe you're gonna have to introduce some some dolphin
characters into some future comics you know we can't be having them missing out now they've
caught wind about it you know they've probably been like you know they're probably looking
forward to being able to you know go through some education
on the apps as well in the ocean i bet they can't wait well the dolphin discovery center also does
a lot with sea turtles as well so they've already got a connection straight into some of the stuff
we've been doing with the sea turtles so um absolutely incredible opportunity um and look
you know the scope of it and it and the doors that it opens,
because one of the things holding back a lot of places
from building, you know, investing in the development
of these sort of virtual twin experiences is that proof
of concept, can it be done?
You know, is it possible?
You know, they're very s very skeptical of the capability and the
technology and being able to show them what we've already built and developed and they're able to
then trial and use some of that in their own environment at a low cost right now means that
they're able to get a sense for the benefit that they're going to experience and the feedback from
their visitors and so forth and then they already know the reach it gives them if they're going to experience and the feedback from their visitors and so forth. And then they already know the reach it gives them if they're able
to provide, you know, a virtual world duplicate or twin
of what they've currently got, you know, just phenomenal stuff.
So being able to show them the details, you know,
the NPC characters are modelled on their own staff and the chatbot,
you know, the AI chatbot features that enable them to create a wealth of background
knowledge and information that can be drawn upon by the chatbot to make them vibrant and
almost alive in that virtual world in that sense, you know, not be scripted, not just be, you know, not just be a five-minute audio file
of information but to be an interactable, conversation-driven NPC
in the virtual world to enter their aquarium is, you know,
is just absolutely mind-blowing for them.
So, you know, that capability and what it opens up,
the doors it opens up for us with other aquariums and other places around the world is just incredible.
So, yeah, I mean, it's our focus is and always will be education, obviously.
But, you know, this is so tied to it because so many schools do tours to their aquarium throughout the year, local schools.
And then this gives them another way, another way of experiencing it
and benefiting from, you know, virtual world education resources
that are tied to their own local area as well.
So, yeah, it's really exciting.
So, you know, that's an incredible opportunity for us this year,
which is just, yeah, just phenomenal.
So we also have a university, local university project.
They've come to us and they want us to build a virtual world based
on the brain and how it ties to sports people's mindsets and thought processes
and decision-making and so forth.
And so we're doing a virtual world later this year
in partnership with a local university and major sporting club
around neuroscience and neuroscience in sports.
And it'll be similar to what we've done with the respiratory system,
but it'll be inside the brain.
And it'll take students inside the brain and show them different things
in the brain, different areas of the brain, how it works and so forth.
So that's been another opportunity that's come up for us
based on the work we've done on the respiratory system
and other virtual worlds and just showcasing the capability
of what we're able to produce, that people are now coming to us
and asking us to build these things and make them available as well.
So it's pretty cool.
Absolutely. It's revolutionary it's the evolution of education but it is exciting to see that you know not only does it get kids excited but that you're able to tap into these things were the tech clearly just wasn't available to advance what these
aquariums um and conservation places were trying to accomplish and they're able to have another go
at that to try and you know bring it into the world of education in a way like never before,
which, you know, helps everyone, doesn't it?
It helps the people that want to be educated,
but it helps them educate and also show the need
for why the education is so important.
But I imagine also helping the world see what they're trying
to protect in a different way because i think that you know
there's so much we don't know about the ocean and so much that because of course at school you can't
learn everything um and you can't even teach everything at home no so you know it's it's how
how how do you educate in a way that because i think that's another thing isn't it it's how how how
do we retain the information and i think you know repetition through gamification
is absolutely a a way to go i think it's it comes down to reach magnification
i mean how many people in the uk would have even heard of the dolphin discovery center aquarium in australia
yeah no but hardly any hardly any like it'd be be a handful right or it might be 100 people or
whatever but that reach magnification that a virtual world digital twin of their of their
center provides them you know and then the tie-in with education products and education concepts and PBLs and other things
and the tie-in to our platform is just going to, that reach magnification is phenomenal.
And that's kind of, that's the beauty of this because it gets a concept that might
be localised, but it gets it out to a global audience.
And there's interest from a global audience.
It's just about access.
Yeah.
And giving them that access is key.
So that is amazing.
And kind of we've already seen that in a way with some of the stuff we've done.
in a way, with some of the stuff we've done.
I mean, students in Australia should know about the platypus
because it's an, you know, iconically Australian animal.
But how many students in the UK and the US would know
about the platypus, would be able to, you know, provide, you know,
to their parents and their friends, you know, information about the platypus that's accurate.
Probably not that many.
But the availability now, that reach magnification of an education resource on it that's actually fun and engaging and gets people wanting to go in there and enjoy it.
and gets people wanting to go in there and enjoy it,
it just makes it, you know, it amplifies it beyond
what people could even imagine.
A million percent.
You know, because my kids had kind of heard of the animal,
but they hadn't really seen it or knew its origins
or understood the interesting elements behind how it even came to
be and i think that's that is so cool because it opens up more into what you just mentioned but also
the depth of you know what else has origins to specific places and then why you know it gets
kids asking questions and being curious again yeah that's
the really cool part about it and it gets them wanting to showcase their own stuff because every
local area has something special and unique that they could that that would be fascinating to people
from other parts of the world and imagine if they had the opportunity to showcase through virtual world technology and, you know, a platform like ours.
They had an opportunity to showcase their something special, whatever it might be.
You know, it's incredible.
It just opens people's eyes and minds.
And honestly, it takes the blinkers off a society
that, you know, kind of needs it.
We need to start to appreciate and respect and understand,
you know, local wonders and customs and cultures
of different places and I think it's a great way of doing it.
Yeah, you're right.
You know, each country kind of has their own kind of thing.
You know, maybe it's a struggle of a particular animal
that might be going extinct and stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah, and people can kind of have their own their own kind of stamp on on uh on what's important
to them and then like you say other people can then use that as a resource to next you know
expand beyond the the platypus and to other other places and maybe just expand their own horizons
about their own what they think of different areas and their own prejudices on different you know locations and stuff as well so i think that's a key part of it too so um you know
how many people would know about the town of syracuse
uh its origins its historical origins i mean there'd be some obviously but i reckon there'd
be a lot that don't.
But they're going to get that opportunity, which is pretty amazing. So the other thing I want to mention about the Archimedes one is it's going to be available for people to enjoy in both Greek and English.
So this will be our first multilingual virtual world as well
first of many no doubt first of many but yeah the fact that it's going to be multilingual as well
is kind of pretty pretty freaking mind-blowing as well yeah that's pretty cool uh what was i
was gonna say um yeah i mean surely people are going to be rude to these npcs right i mean that's
a given well they're going to be but they're not going to get the responses are going to be rude to these NPCs, right? I mean, that's a given. Well, they're going to be, but they're not going to get,
the responses are going to be curated in a good way.
So, you know, it won't allow them, I don't think,
to go down a sort of a darker path of being rude
and getting rude responses, et cetera.
So also the responses that they're going to hear
are personalised responses.
That's interesting.
I think, you know, just because it's an open world environment, right?
So if you've got 10 students there and they're all talking
to the AI chatbot, then they're getting –
the responses that they're getting are not necessarily heard
by everybody.
Oh, I see.
You know what I mean?
You can always tailor it to certain needs essentially well to a point i mean i think
also i mean we're using we're using developed plug-in software that's that's been tested and
tried and and um and would have some safety safeguards already implemented on it around different preventing different
pathways of conversations so there is that as well but the beauty of this
it's like in in our existing virtual worlds when you're talking to an mpc or listen to an mpc
not everybody is hearing it it's you're the one hearing it for you um so the same thing would
be true for the chatbot so you know if you're having a conversation with a chatbot um and and
you're starting to go off topic um then it's not going to be interfering with someone else's
enjoyment of the learning environment okay Okay. Okay, cool.
Yeah, I like that.
It's a personalised thing so you have your own interaction with that.
That's really cool.
I think there is also safety elements,
student safety elements,
which is important as well.
So, you know, like, yeah,
we don't allow students to chat to each other
because of safety concerns, and we don't collect student information
because of safety concerns, and that's all part
of our ongoing accreditation with the, you know,
Safer Technology for Schools and Education Departments,
which is an annual process,
I might add.
So every year we've got to continually demonstrate
our compliance, which is good.
It's good because it's important.
It's a licence, I guess.
Well, it's not so much a licence, but it's like a licence, yeah.
I mean, they don't like using that terminology,
but honestly, that's kind of what
it is you know but i mean you know like you said uh you know it gives you that credibility to be
able to you know go into a school um and rather than having to go oh how you know where the
safe guarding measures we need to do this assessment and we need to get all they do all
this stuff for themselves you can go hey it's got this st4s and like they've already checked us out it's now it's now a case
where we want to go yeah or nay you know yeah that's right having that recognized government
level uh national government level um process that's been achieved uh is really important
you know and and it does you And it does make it easier for schools
who don't have to go through
that whole risk assessment process themselves.
They can just simply go, well, you've done it.
That's great.
We'll rely on that.
And that's been massive.
I mean, having that has been incredible
for the doors it's opened.
Yeah, having that has definitely helped in reaching a lot more schools
yeah yeah interest so yeah like you say you you want to break down those barriers those pain
points um and that's what i've seen you do consistently is is work on that um it's like
where are the pain points where where where can this be better um for you know
better experience better tailored and you've just pushed it um pushed it for this last year
and you know now we can see you know where you come from and where you're going
yeah a hundred percent yeah it's it's really exciting it's been it's been an incredible 12
months and looking back on it i can see why now i'm, you know, at the end of the year I was exhausted.
I'm like, wow, okay, we did a lot.
So, yeah, but supercharged for what we've got ahead as well.
I mean, you're definitely taking some time for yourself, right?
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, like, you know, tomorrow, for example.
Sweet.
Good.
Yeah, just want to make sure.
Oh, mate, I get charged.
I get energized by what we're doing.
So, you know, this for me is a driving factor.
It makes me want to get up in the morning and do what we do um so i don't get
i don't get tired from it i don't get exhausted i don't get run down um you know if anything
if you if you listen to my wife i don't shut up about it um so you know she knows every time we have a breakthrough with, you know, a particular facet of what we're working on, she just, you can see it in her eyes because I don't shut up.
And I'm running around the house like a lunatic.
So it's kind of encouraging in that sense that for me, that's what I, what actually energizes me and supercharges me so
that's when you know you're fulfilling your purpose my friend but that's what we like to
hear but i understand that as well yeah 100 yeah i wouldn't be working till 3 a.m the other morning
if i wasn't enjoying what we do so yeah that's true yeah just i just love what we do so yeah and i
just love sharing it as well i love seeing the reactions from kids and teachers and i just yeah
it um yeah it fulfills me i suppose you just you hit the nail on the head
yeah i can totally see why every time you've you know you've brought something new to the table
and we check it out i'm always just like wow and then i can't wait to show my kids and then you
know yeah they're gonna love this new one coming not the archimedes one the other one that i haven't
told you what it is yet they're gonna love it oh my god they're gonna love it oh my god i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna film the reaction of this one
oh it's it's just so i i've just enjoyed making this so much um and uh yeah i've had a few
reactions from people who are like there's no way you could make this subject interesting
and i'm like challenge accepted.
So I absolutely love that.
Cause, uh, you know, cause once you show that, that, that, that, that isn't the case and you can do that, that, uh, it just brings everything else into being
even more exciting to say, wouldn't it really?
Oh, it's going to open the door to, I'm going to get people's going to it's going to be a challenge that people are going to see now
and they're going to go well what about this subject then this is the most boring subject
ever try and make this one interesting and i'll be like yeah okay fine bring it so um yeah
make that interesting yeah it's gonna it's gonna open the doors to people to go why can you do it
can you do it with this one okay we'll see yeah and you're just laughing like the jokes on you
because all all all learning is boring well all learning is fascinating i love it and i learn so
much out of it as well and that's the other thing is i thought i had a decent education but clearly
not because as i'm building some of these as we we're building them out, I'm like learning so much about these topics.
And I'm like, how did I not know about that?
Like just, yeah, kind of incredible in that way as well.
It's humbling because you realize how stupid you are.
And then you're like, okay, I've got more to learn.
Yep.
Story of my life that.
Sorry, Beckon.
Go on, bro.
I want to see more environments created by the kids that's what i want to see i want to see yeah yeah me too mate me too i'm hopeful i'm very
hopeful um that this school in the uk um starts uh decides to move ahead with that as well i'm
pretty confident that they want to it's just going to come down to if they can get the grant funding for it because it's not it's not super cheap but it's not
amazingly expensive either so we've got that that's one of the things not holding us back but
it actually is just a good thing because it it means that we're not overwhelmed but um i've got
multiple um clients now in both conservation and education
that are wanting to build their own custom world with us
and they're just, what's holding them back
is they've got to get the funding,
they've got to get the grant funding for it.
Again, it's not a lot of money,
but it's enough that they've got to get small grants for it.
But what that does is it allows us to space out the workload
so that we're not overwhelmed
because otherwise it would quickly become overwhelming.
You know, I've got a great team, thank God,
and they're very good at what they do and they're very reliable,
but it's still a finite resource.
And you've also been through that grants process,
and I'm assuming that's something that you don't want to commit too much of your time to.
Yeah, I have. I have because I've helped them. I've helped ones with it. But at the same time,
I'm happy to be able to point them in the right direction and show them where they're going to go
and what they're going to do roughly. But I don't, I don't get involved in that for them. That's, that's up to them.
You know, I, I guide them as much as I can,
but I don't also want to get too bogged down in it. So.
Exactly. Yeah.
I mean, I, I would, I would love to be an educator,
showing people how to use creative tools
to be creative.
I think that's really wholesome.
Yeah, it is.
And it's so uplifting for you as well.
I love that.
I love that fact.
It gives you such fulfillment as well to see what the kids can do with it um
which reminds me i mentioned the the virtual world um design uh courses that we've been running
locally um we'll in 2026 we're going to be adding them to um as a product that uh, schools can access virtually as well, so that we can offer them via a web
series, a webinar series. And we'll break it up into two sort of sections, a train the trainer,
where we teach teachers how to run the program for their students, and one where we run the
program direct to their students. Like we've been doing in a physical capacity here with local schools here,
we're going to make it available as a webinar series virtually.
So that'll be happening in 2026 as well.
That's the Virtual World Design Academy,
which is another feature of our platform coming this year.
I'm giving you all the alpha, aren't I?
I hope this is not going to be listened to too broadly.
It's going to be worldwide.
It's going to be a phenomenon in the space over the next 24 hours.
Yeah, I know, right?
I hope none of our competitors are listening to this.
We're not going to be doing a virtual world design academy
over the next 12 months.
That's not happening.
You're the funny guy competitors.
I love it.
Oh, jeez.
It's no competition, mate.
What are you talking about?
That's true.
That's true.
Good luck.
I say good luck to them.
Oh, this book looks like good man yeah you had to uh you had to befriend the sharks before you
decided to tread uh deep waters exactly no but that sounds amazing um and you know if 2025 is
anything to go by it's going to be a really prosperous year and it sounds
super exciting and uh absolutely delighted for you and for your team of course and for what's
in store for the kids of the future to see you know technology being used like this yeah and
when i said about coming out to the uk uh I know there's a conversation happening early this year
with a fairly large, well-established
and known online learning platform in the UK.
When I say online learning, they don't do virtual world stuff.
They do just, you know, online learning resources.
And they've reached out to us and they want to partner with us and make our content available, resold via their own online learning platform.
So if that comes to fruition, which it's looking pretty positive about, they're super excited um then i dare say it might actually bring me out to
the uk um for a short visit which would be really cool so i'm hopeful that will come off i'm pretty
confident yeah we'll meet you at the airport airport no way i'm going to the pub oh yeah
sorry the pop out the airport yeah okay well isn isn't there a pub not at an airport?
Like, I want to dive deep into the UK pub culture.
Oh, yeah, Bacon's definitely a man for that.
There you go.
See?
I got you, bro.
That's it.
Let's do it.
I say you won't want to go back home.
What's your drink?
I can recommend places based on the kind
of drink you want i mean you'd want like an indian ale pale ale do you like a ruby do you
like a lager i like the i like the pale ales i like the art lagers uh i like the i like the
environments where you can eat and drink at the same time in uh sort of a you know i don't know just a a place that
oozes culture the kind of place that sells pie and mash sure yep
yeah let me know when you're here dude we. We'll make it. We'll plan ahead.
So certainly there's so much happening at the moment with UK interest in what we're doing that I think you'll see us out there.
But Trey, not to worry.
We've got a bunch of US schools coming online this month as well.
So if that continues to grow and build, you'll see me out in the US sometime after 2028.
Let's go.
We'll have to make a new film, Sharks on the Plane.
That's it.
Sharks on the Plane.
I love it.
I'm sure we could put something together with ai for that
oh that's hilarious what the snakes are for planes that'd be absolutely iconic i'm gonna
work on that on the back end that's hilarious oh god
no but that's amazing i'm really excited and you know like like i was saying earlier so many
things just came one after the other that this last year that
you know it was clear to see that everything that you'd envisioned is clearly
you know coming to pass in the best possible light and like i said i know i keep saying it but seeing how my kids reacted to it i was i was really pleasantly surprised because i know how hard it
is to kind of get kids to want to do anything education based only because they just want to play and have fun they don't necessarily have a problem of learning
they have a problem with sitting still and and doing things that aren't really you know sort of
stimulating you know and i think that's that's the difference is it doesn't stimulate them
they don't feel like it's rewarding or rewards them and kids live in the present moment don't
they so trying to say oh if you do this now you'll know this for the future and they don't feel like it's rewarding or rewards them and kids live in the present moment don't they so trying to say oh if you do this now you'll know this for the future and they don't
care about the future they just care about what happens right now so yeah definitely excited to
see i really want kids to learn without realizing they're learning i want them to be able to have
fun enjoy what they're doing be interested and engaged in it, and then be learning almost by accident alongside it. Because if they think that it's a chore,
if they think that it's, oh, I've got to sit down, I've got to learn this, then it kind of makes it
difficult. You're battling uphill to get them across the line. But if they're learning just
by doing it, just by having fun, and all of a sudden they're coming away with extra information,
that actually really engages them.
I mean, I know this with my own daughters as well.
Like if they're doing something and at the same time
they're learning something kind of interesting as well,
then they're more likely to retain that learning and share it with others
because they found it interesting to learn at the time they did it because they were playing a game or they were, you know, exploring
a world and an environment that was different.
Yeah, it makes it really kind of cool.
So I just had a message from a principal just came through,
and it's talking about that particular new virtual world
that I haven't told you what it is that's coming
in the next couple of weeks.
And they were like, they will be forever grateful
if we could bring this to life for them.
And then they said, bringing concepts to life in a primary school classroom
with limited resources and space is what we all aim to achieve,
but engaging children in their learning is the key to success.
And they were just commenting on how grateful they are for our platform,
which is kind of really cool.
Like when you get that through.
That's super cool.
I mean, that just literally came through in the last,
whilst we've been on this space.
That is amazing.
I'm pretty chuffed about that sort of stuff.
And that is going to have wide-reaching impact as well because, you know,
when other teachers and principals see that kind of feedback
which it's on a you know it's on a social media then yeah it's kind of pretty pretty impressive
it's absolutely immense you know to have educators excited to teach kids excited to learn
you know sea life conservation being supported them being
able to not only get support come to them but for a way for them to reach the world like you were
saying is absolutely epic and also down to the way that kids can now learn through these resources
is what gets me excited because when i was a kid i never understood at school it's like
we're not going to tell you what the answer is we're not going to tell you what it isn't we're just going to tell you how
to get to it and i was always i was so confused by it i was like why don't you just tell me what
the answer is and then tell me how we how how i get to that answer yeah but then also go a step
further and say how how would you have got to that answer in case your way of thinking was different
but still achieved the same outcome does that make
sense yeah it does yeah teaching people how to learn not just what they're learning but how to
learn yeah so so like not knowing what whether you're getting it right not knowing if you're
getting it wrong i think just really confuses people it makes you feel you know you've got
no confidence you're going in completely blind but i think you know i feel like resources like what you've got you've kind of people can see the whole surroundings you can
put them in that place and then their mind is like into that environment so they're already
thinking like for example you know the uh the uh the respiratory um environment you know that
you're placing them in the body so the brain is thinking about what's working on the inside and
it's kind of seeing how it's working.
And then their brain can kind of be stimulated into really understanding what's happening around them.
And I think it makes a whole world of difference compared to obviously just a 2D image on a piece of paper.
In a classroom surrounded by kids that are also really bored and are looking for a distraction.
Yeah, 100%, mate 100% so yeah absolutely legendary and I know that we could speak about this all night long and not get
bored but you know we do appreciate that you've allocated an hour and a half of your time yeah
and also I'm mindful of the fact that uh I probably don't, I probably come across as a monotone sort of voice on a space.
And, you know,
it's probably not as engaging and exciting as,
as some of the other space hype merchants can be.
Yeah.
Cause the thing is you don't need to build the hype because like the hype
is the stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I know. I get it. I get it absolutely i i get it so and i promise that when we catch up in a pub in the uk i won't talk about salty
sharks all the time yeah you will yeah i know i will i will yeah thanks call him thank you
yeah yeah and i'll be right along there with you so yeah it'll be hilarious uh looking forward to it guys and thank you so much for the opportunity to catch up with you
again especially for your first place of 2026 i mean that's pretty freaking amazing
i mean set the standard now mate that's it
this is the now the minimum benchmark go this is the benchmark boys and guys and go
just don't make this the last space
all good thanks for having me guys and uh congratulations on the book and um rev mate send me can you just send me that
purchase link on our chat direct chat so i can organize to grab one and um yeah thanks again
so much for the opportunity thanks for the support you guys have been amazing with the support you've
given us as a brand and in the web3 space i can't thank you guys enough for everything that you do
Web3 Space, I can't thank you guys enough for everything that you do.
That includes you, 2Z, as well, mate.
I know you're still there listening.
And the amount of support that we get from you guys, Trey,
is just phenomenal.
So thank you so much.
And I look forward to buying you all several beers in the near future.
Drink some, Rob.
I'm there.
Sign me up.
Oh, God.
That's going to get messy, isn't it?
I like it.
Totally.
Did I have three drinks?
Don't walk me off.
There you go.
That got you.
I love that. Yep, I'm there. Yep, just him I love that yep I'm there
just say when
let's see
I'm a cheap
I'll just
I'll just drink a glass of water
I'll be fine
I'll be the designated driver
me and B
someone's gonna do it mate
I appreciate your sacrifice
absolutely
I'll take one for the team
it's been it's been an honour Rob it always is and you know I appreciate your sacrifice. Absolutely. I'll take one for the team.
It's been an honor, Rob.
It always is.
And, you know, you're easy to support when you've done so many incredible things. And, you know, we appreciate the contribution to Web3, to, you know,
sea life conservation, to education, to children, you know,
just inspiring people that you can seriously have a vision about something
and you can make an impact on a global scale the way that you have by working as hard as you have
and you know thankfully what you do energizes you because if it didn't you'd probably be dead
so let's just be grateful for that that's true yeah valid point valid point yeah if it were going
to kill you you won't be with us so at least we know you you know you've got what it takes to keep striving forward so no definitely excited and uh it'll be epic to
to see you in the uk and then you know for you to see you with trey in the u.s because if you do at
u.s soil trey will find you you know there is no escape in that i'll find trey i'll track him down
don't worry i've got i've got photos now of all his uh i've got photos of where he lives i
got to triangulate them and and uh and track him down to a single location should be should be
doable absolutely i know where you are i know where you live but i will find you
oh that's it now we've got two two films to remake now i don't i didn't realize liam neeson was on the call with
us today that's amazing that's really good weren't it that was really good i always said he had a
voice for radio well i got a head for radio so that works oh no i love it well uh here's to a prosperous and purposeful
2026 thank you for being our first guest this year to hit the ground running at sea level
let's go thanks guys love your work um and look forward to uh another fantastic year with you all
absolutely let's go and just so you know as well i've got a
um a full-size skeleton as well so content coming soon love it and if you're if you're into virtual
world education resources and you're listening to this space there's nothing to see here just just
just move along nothing to see here definitely don't be checking out salty sharks no do not go there yeah last
place you want to be if that's what you're looking for yeah we'll see you in 2027 all right take care
guys yeah no thank you take care everyone thank you everyone take care of resco nice one tony
nice one bacon nice one zay thank you evie thank you
to have not listened in and thank you to have not listens back we will be back same time tomorrow
we are featuring zal panthaki around the zao um which then on sunday will be in the metaverse at
6 p.m uk time 1 p.m est as well so we've got an exciting weekend to be had thank you rob for giving us
the best recap possible for 2025 and nothing to see for 2026 so ignore all of that stuff
until it's done and when it's done then we'll tell you about it so on that note thank you very much
and we will see you next time let's go john Johnny was a man with a stride so wide and confident.
People often joke.
Crossed the entire field in a single step.
His dusty hat was pulled low over his eyes.
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