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🎙️WEB3 | +C.O.C ft WorldOfWomen | TangTalk | come learn with us 📕
Recorded: Dec. 19, 2025 Duration: 2:20:12Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic discussion, key players from the crypto space shared insights on the launch of innovative projects like Dracatus and the World of Women, emphasizing growth, strategic partnerships, and the evolving landscape of NFTs. With a focus on community engagement and new revenue streams, these projects are set to redefine the future of Web3.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Good afternoon. good afternoon happy friday welcome to the community communities web 3 space hope everybody
is good i know it normally takes about five minutes for everyone to get in get the guests
on the stage the team on the stage and get the show on the road so as always i will do bacon's
favorite element of the show where i explain for the four thousandth
time how we conduct these spaces just in case anybody is new we feature two guests over two
hours giving each guest up to 60 minutes each to break down their ecosystems tonight we are just
going to connect with both guests because we are amongst friends now which is awesome so like we
always do we'll just get everyone up on stage say hello to everybody
share the space out and then we will get things moving so that being said we've got the bacon
sandwich in the building bacon how are you brother have this friday what's up boys and girls yeah
good to be here good to be here i'm not in the studio tonight i am cat sitting
I'm not in the studio tonight.
I am cat sitting.
Cat sitting tonight.
She won't leave me alone.
Normally, she sits in the corner and just completely ignores me
or tries to get as far away from me as possible.
And every time I move, I'm now too close than I was before
and she darts and runs away.
But today, I'm a new favourite friend, so I don't know why.
Interesting.
Well, glad you are having a good Friday
and you are in the comfort of at home,
which I'm sure you probably prefer the studio.
But anyway, looking forward to tonight's space.
Tonight we are featuring the amazing Blue Chip World of Women project,
and we are also featuring our long-term friends
who are revolutionising this space i can't wait
for them to talk about what they're doing we are speaking with art with heart aka brad and
dracatus aka jeff and they will be speaking about dracatus probably but also tang talk nft so that
will be super exciting so we'll go around the, say hello to everybody who is on the stage and then we will get this show on the road. We will start with we have Sweet Pea on the stage. Happy Friday. How are you doing Sweet Pea?
I am not only on the stage, I am in the car and oddly enough, V is in the car as well. So we're
both going to be broadcasting live from driving and hopefully staying between the lines, which
is something I've never been good at. On the road, yes, but in life, I've never stayed between the
lines. And note to self to everyone, don't do it.'t don't cave in don't stay in between those lines
you paint your life however you want it to be so that said i'll try not to hit anybody while i'm
while i'm in transit here
yeah what are you going to do with that rav what are you doing with that information please drive safely um no that is great life advice straight off the bat but that's awesome
that you're in the car together as well so uh love that we are not in the car together yeah
we are in two separate states she's in one state i'm in another state and we're definitely in two
different mind states right now as well or maybe the same same state of mind, aren't we? We're in the same state of mind.
We're always in the same state of mind. We're always busy. Yeah, you know, touching bases on everything.
We, she covers one part of things, I cover the other. So we have a full coverage, the two of us,
which is great.
But we always think the same way.
We're the same mind.
What's that song?
Two hearts together as one or whatever.
We're like two brains together as one all the time.
You can count on us to finish each other's sentences.
Absolutely.
But no, it's great to have you ladies back.
So thank you for joining us again
um the christmas meetup was awesome by the way it was great to see you ladies in person as well
that was a fun experience it was an enjoyable journey down to uh london and uh yeah no what
what a brilliant team you've got and uh it was awesome to meet some of the community as well who
were also equally as awesome as well so that was a really fun experience we have got some cool cats in our community meeting you guys in person was highlighted
that trip and definitely just just a really fun low-key time in a in a really nice venue
and we had bears right everybody got a nice little christmas bear
did our best on those damn bears we didn't know what we were going to get,
but we worked hard to find the right bear.
I now have a new companion.
She sits on my dashboard,
and she gives me some life coaching as I make my journeys
when I'm in the van.
Just sits in the corner, looks after me on my long journey.
Love to hear
that love it well you guys Christmas is right around the corner too I mean that was a holiday
party and now here we are next week is the 24th can anyone believe it will we have a Christmas
miracle will the market rebound for Christmas just to bring some joy what do you think it was rally
it's a well-known thing in stocks and shares right
everyone has a good santa claus rally we'll see we'll see but then at the same time the market
also likes to make a fool of you uh in front of your family at family meetings so like normally
thanksgiving's a good one uh christmas is another one um so yeah the market has a tendency to try and make you blush around the around the family table
how's crypto going yeah right
i love the sound of that santa claus christmas rally
but yeah you got a good point though yeah the markets do like to make us look like we have no idea what we're doing.
Which is, you know, it's not far from the truth, to be fair,
but we try not to make it look that way.
But we have two absolute legends on stage,
as well as the two legends that we've just greeted on stage.
We have Dracatus in the building as well.
How are we doing, sir?
Happy Friday.
Happy Friday, buddy buddy i'm doing
good man always good when you come into a room and there's a bacon sandwich there greeting you
no i'm doing good man miss you guys it's nice to be back busy busy busy as you can imagine i'm
usually pretty busy building lots of cool stuff so i excited, really excited to tell you guys about the progress since we've last spoke.
Because it's AI enhanced and ample amount of work done in a short period of time.
It's really quite intoxicating right now to be a developer.
I feel like I'm spoiled each and every day with all the tools as a kid.
I dreamed Star Trek would bring me, and now I'm here running through the Toys R Us candy store
of all the tools I could ever attach to my bat belt, and I just feel like Super Dev these days.
So I'm stoked to tell you about the really wild, cool stuff that we're building right now.
I've always called you Super Dev, just so you know.
I have an alt account called super dev Osborne I don't know if anybody here is old enough
to remember super Dave Osborne but I might be dating myself there yes it
looks yourself but what's what's new like what's the exciting thing you've
got well we've got three major products that are kind of the continuous get the continuous attention now so dracatus is always tang talk that came thereafter
as a result of and now we have a platform called crate which was originally started to do some nft
minting but when i tell you about what we are doing there you are absolutely going to lose your mind. We are on the edge.
Dare I say, I posted a repo yesterday.
I think I'm the first one in the world to have built this particular piece for what we're doing.
So Chia Gaming is huge.
It's around the corner.
It will disrupt the $200 billion industry of gaming to a certain degree.
We can get into details later.
But myself and a couple other devs in the space, we've teamed up to hit the code and take what Bram Cohen's done and run with it.
And dare I say, we are not just ahead of the pack, but we finished the race and we're sitting down eating popcorn.
Not quite, but we're getting ready to sit down and eat popcorn while we watch everybody still running the track.
We're really, really far ahead.
And it's on some stuff that, similar to Tang Talk, that when it happens, you'll know because it's just going to make a wave.
So we can get into all kinds of stuff stuff but there's three projects that are all
pushing along and all of them have really impressive new things since we've spoken last so yeah
i don't know how much you want me to rabbit hole and and ladies first as well so and we still got
to talk to brad that's i guess that's maybe what i meant by ladies first i love you buddy
I guess that's maybe what I meant by ladies first.
Love you, buddy.
But yeah.
They call me ladies, man.
I can't help it, okay?
Brad and I are just busy beavers over here, just slamming away.
We're coming up on our 365 episodes, our year straight of doing tech TLDRs each and every morning.
So that's a huge milestone coming up for us and man 2026
like just look out i'm on a tear i'm on a mission to destroy 2026
i mean i've seen what you can do when you're partially motivated yeah yeah just now i'm obsessed right now i have a harry potter wand in my hand
and i feel like i can make absolutely anything under the sun i'm venturing into territories of
study that i never thought i would before just because ai just is this magnifying glass that
you can put over top of any skill that you have and just amplify it it's really
amazing so yeah i mean you've kind of picked up the the what bram cohen was doing with the
well mr dennis has run with the uh the most on the game side um if you want me to jump right into it i'll explain what we're doing
um so chia gaming i'll just do the like the the kind of easy foundation of it here um chia gaming
my server's going off like crazy here somebody's minting a ton of shit what's going on here
um chia gaming is going to change the way a lot of gaming is done so if
you think about peer-to-peer right everything in peer-to-peer land is harder to do just in
connecting and making connections and trading things and yada and in the gaming world we have
all these really nice centralized servers that kind of do a whole bunch of things for us and make life
really grand so if you want i want to play a game we open up call of duty magic we're playing together right um but in that we would never bet money on a game because a it would more or less
you know the companies would have to be you know casinos and registered and all this kind of stuff
because one way or another we would have to pass funds like you and i couldn't even wager
loosely on a game uh with confidence of just wagering between you and I.
There would be somebody in the middle taking a rake or with odds weighted to them, some entity.
Let's just call them a casino, although there's many different forms.
In the gaming world of betting and casinos, there's a ton of regulations because somebody's handling money somebody's skimming money there's all this stuff but in a world where just like you and i could say bet you i can throw
this rock farther you go bet you five bucks you can't and we got cash in our pocket we can make
a bet you're gonna lose but we could make a bet and we could throw that rock and see who could
throw the farthest and we can exchange a five and see who could throw it the farthest.
And we can exchange a $5 bill and go, hey, man, nice throw or nice hit or nice shot or whatever.
And that exists in the world.
And that's, you know, we could go down the chia roads.
But you guys have heard the spiel.
So chia is as close to digital cash as you're going to get.
So because of its peer-to-peer nature.
So when it comes down to, say, like poker and you and I want to play a friendly head of poker
and we're willing to put five bucks on the line,
we can't do that in today's world without going through somebody,
enter the rake and all those odds and things again.
But Bram has done for gaming similar to what he did for downloads.
So if you think BitTorrent, which was Bram's baby,
and then you think sites like Pirate Bay and the combination
of it, what it allowed you to do was say, hey, I have this really big file or I have this movie
or something I want to share. And I need somewhere to announce that it exists so that then somebody
can go, OK, I want that. And then if you remember Pirate Bay, you download the file and then off it went right but there was always this kind of spot you had to go to facilitate that so this is the thing i built yesterday i open sourced
it it's it's a repo it's out in the public for you guys all to to grab and do whatever you want
with but essentially myself and mr dennis have taken the peer-to-peer of Chia Gaming, and we've finished building the Tracker, which would be like the Pirate Bay portion.
And so now we've got a system where multiple vendors, so Crate is one of our products, some other site that's a marketplace, or somebody's into gaming, doesn't matter.
some other site that's a marketplace or somebody's into gaming, doesn't matter.
These sites can create peer-to-peer game rooms that get published to a sort of public, you
know, pirate bay of sorts.
And then it becomes possible for you and I to play for that five bucks cash from across
the globe without knowing anything about each other in a purely peer-to-peer way on the
Chia blockchain, in-state channels, so we can do it rapid so we can play
game after game after game and we're not waiting two minutes five minutes for settlements we just
go five bucks five bucks five bucks five bucks and we do that over and over and over and over
again on the state channel with referees that can do blockchain like referencing for cheaters and
so in in in classic chia way you can't beat it you can't cheat it it's truly
between you and i and we have this really great way now to wager on games and so dennis has
um done uh well bram did the the california poker but um dennis has since then done um rock paper
scissors and battleships we're gonna do um tic-tac-toe oh yeah i saw those yeah
that's mr dennis mr dennis and i have teamed up we've got a great team of advisors mr dennis and
i are going to be submitting for the rfp response um well me mr dennis and brad i should say but
coba 42 and and mr dennis um Mr. Dennis has come on as one of
our devs I'm helping with the dev and um we have Acevale, Yaki Hito, and Monkey Zoo, and Lucky Eight
all four willing to be advisors while uh Koba 42 and Mr. Dennis pitched to Chia to be the official partner for the Chia Gaming,
to take it and run with it.
They've got a lot of stuff coming up on their plate,
and they're looking to kind of hand it off to a trusted partner.
So Mr. Dennis and I have been hammering at it, and in a matter of days,
we have already had a full working edition where Mr. Dennis just created a poker game in Mexico,
and it just showed up on
Crate and I was here and we can connect and peer to peer. And I mean, it was beautiful. It was
instantaneous. It was gorgeous. It was a thing of beauty just to see the whole system come together.
So just, you know, on that, you can basically think, you know, what does that mean for the
end user? What can they expect? You could show up to Crate, a site that's, you know,
historically been fermenting, and you will be able to play games for money
between you and somebody else with no rake, no odds against you, straight up.
Arslist tracking and reporting on a decentralized system.
Yeah, so it's really, really really cool and that's really where i'm
pressing with crate right now that's where most of my time in developing is towards this because
we want it to you have to think of it like like bit torrent for gaming and you have to think of
it like pirate bay for gaming and it really sits closely to the same theories and methodologies
and practices and strategies and so on.
So if you can think about how widespread downloading movies through torrents went,
it was 40% of the internet was going through Bram's work at one point.
We're on the cusp of the same thing happening for wager-based gaming.
And how complex that goes, you guys know how the industry is you're gonna have
to wait a year or two years to see the devs stack little pieces on little pieces on little pieces
until we end up with some really complicated game that we're all hooked on and we can't stop playing
but until then simple handshake era paper rock scissors battleship you know that kind of stuff
but we'll be the first in the world to do it. I mean, whether Chia takes, I'm going to say this a little brazenly,
whether Chia accepts us for the RFP or not, it doesn't matter.
We're actually farther ahead than Bram.
It's already built and operational, so it'd just be nice to get the grant.
Bram was already like, I can't believe Mr. Dennis got this to work.
And then I talked to one person at CNI and they're like you know you're gonna need this infrastructure i had it done that night
um posted open sourced and you mean oh you mean the infrastructure we built for our game for the
last three years yeah okay so it's really easy for us it was just like okay we need this let's
build it done posted running it so just be aware that you know the chia space is going to be where
wager-based peer-to-peer gaming changes forever and that'll be the start of it and and and ideally
you're going to see coba 42 brad and i at the center of it so that's great and gaming
um yeah that's actually that goes all the way back to to bitcoin you know with with things
like bit torrent that those were the things that were the inspiration for bitcoin you know we all
know satoshi was a massive fan of uh of bram and and bit torrent and file sharing yeah you know he
was a parent of decentralized technologies which is why you know he created these actual technology
because it's like his shtick right yeah yeah absolutely and i mean just that decentralized ethos open source all the kind
of mentality and mindset that goes with uh you know personality like bram and the work that he
does and i i mean i'm just i feel blessed to even be sitting here thinking that bram cohen might be
reviewing my code right now like i feel blessed that that can even happen.
It's a really cool world we live in now that a pleb dev from the middle of nowhere, Canada,
can all of a sudden become acquaintances with one of the most prolific devs to ever grace
the internet and decentralization.
And then alongside him, you've got the boss gene.
And so it's really cool we're
getting a lot of guidance coba 42 is going to be a rocket ship in 2026 you know no pun intended
yeah really like got my name put on the moon in 2025 and in 2026 we're gonna we're gonna take the
company there and so you have to think. And so let me shift.
And we kind of, I'm totally snowballing.
Sorry, World of Women as well.
We just kind of jumped right into the nerdy stuff.
But I want to make the connection a little bit to Tang Talk so that on the retail side, it makes a little more sense.
We're talking about gaming and all this stuff. And you have to think of it as there will be soon the availability of like all of these
sites that will do this.
And you can go and get all these flavors of games and the development scene will take
off.
And so think of devices like TangTalk and how it's community centric, right?
Well, communities in theory will be able to make their own games and have their own game
markets and their own trackers, their own systems and their own.
There can actually be businesses built around this, even though it's it's peer to peer.
The experience, which is what most gamers pay for, starts in the Web 2 world very firmly.
And it's not exhaustively using Web 3.
effectively using web three so it's not like it takes it out of the reach of say new or average
or beginner devs or people that are experimenting or whatever like it's it's going to be well within
the reach of everyone and it'll be everyone will have the option to say oh okay well i want to get
into this industry run my own tracker and run to try my own games and stuff so um when you think
about products like tang talk and how you know just
think even the layout it looks and feels like a phone you have all these little apps that i've
built and incorporated you'll be able to do the same thing and have a full game market within this
decentralized communication device so we're we're now when when you take what i've just explained
for crate and then you think about tang talk is this cross-chain communication platform that has no server, that does all this crazy stuff that it probably shouldn't have done when it did it.
And now we're going to peg on gaming right next to it.
So we're now talking interoperable communication between users while they're playing interoperable peer-to-peer gaming while there are no regulations for them to stop
them from doing so there's no rake no odds they're sitting there enjoying themselves and they're
talking privately through our communication protocols so now nobody's telling you what to
say nobody's telling you can't hang out with your friends and place a friendly bet on on poker and
so put all that together um and then and then the bigger parts of gaming and
really our three little products are kind of fusing together around some really cool advancements in
technology which i feel like we just kind of positioned ourselves really well for and we've
been waiting along and it's here now and so we've got these really great things and avenues that we
can explore a little bit harder and and a little now that the, you know, the Bram and the gaming and stuff is kind of catching up to where we've all been wanting it.
So, I mean, that's kind of the two products.
And then there's, of course, Drak, but there's a whole other snowball.
But, yeah, it's really gaming is one of those things I've been obsessed over for the past couple of days. Well, these days, I haven't stopped thinking about it.
Yeah, I'm excited for you, dude.
I can feel
that you've got a real fire
lit under you at the moment.
I can't even stop, dude. I'm
working on three projects
full-time.
Probably 60, 70 hours a week.
And Drak is
disgusting now. I can't even...
That would be a whole...
I can't even... I mean, maybe later.
I don't want to take up more time.
That's a whole...
You're the most prolific dev, dude.
You're the most prolific dev I've ever done.
Well, when you guys are ready for it, I'll drop Drak stuff on you.
And I mean, I see it as the culmination of all of the work that Brad and I've done over the past four years displays in Drak and will display in drac in a way that i really honestly
and you know i'm usually pretty modest but as this stuff gets closer and starts stitching together
and i start seeing it i i really actually don't think that there's anything quite as well thought
out from a tcg standpoint as drac and so when when you put crafting tables and breeding and all these things together it's just
and people are playing with it now we got land sales it's i don't know i don't i don't want i
don't want to i don't want to snowball but i will so be careful
no you're a legend and we'll definitely unpack this like more and more throughout the space but
thank you for for giving us that breakdown and of course congratulations i can't you know forgive
us for not sounding surprised of your accomplishments but you know we've we've seen this
unraveling for years and are definitely not surprised at what you and brad are able to
accomplish it's amazing but um i'm glad it's all coming to fruition and uh yeah and you've got bram cohen potentially reviewing reviewing your code right now that is that's iconic there'll be another dev
in the future saying the same about you no doubt i'm you know absolutely certain about that so
no yeah we'll uh absolutely be diving into uh dracatus shortly but you know there's a lot
that you've said there that is mind-blowing and i
think we'll have to chip back through it throughout the space because what you've done with tang talk
and what you've done with uh dracatus linked everything together is quite mind-blowing so
yeah great work brother thanks homie i do it all for you brother let's go legend but i know that uh i know that sweet pete and v are traveling and not in the
same car and hopefully uh sweet pete's managed to stay between the lines not quite um i was trying
so hard to give emojis to all that was being said and that was probably not my best move but um
man feeding off of the energy though, that's amazing. And
congratulations to you. I mean, I love hearing from a good dev. V and I are both geeky enough,
trust me. While I won't be reviewing any code, well, I'm happy to, but I appreciate what you guys are building and thinking.
The things that always spark my interest when it comes to gaming are,
why do we want to do something on the blockchain?
Why would we want this particular action or thing to take place on the blockchain?
And then the other piece you touched on is the decentralized aspect of it
and not having the middleman.
And I'm very fascinated with this right now.
I think you all know, or a lot of people know, this year's Schedule 1099-D comes out,
which is you need to or should disclose your wallets,
and the government's ready to take their piece of everything that's happened for a while now.
And we are largely losing a little bit of our freedom
depending on, you know, we like regulation, right?
We welcome it because then we know what we wanna do.
We know which side we wanna paint our lines on
and that's fine.
But we also see how more than ever,
we're losing the plot and we really need to think carefully
about what decentralization offers
us and how we deploy it in a meaningful way so we can enjoy the freedoms that should be
afforded to us.
Happy to pay my taxes, happy to do the things that are the needful, want to do them in context
that it's the right thing to do if people are using things in the right way. And so I love to think through
how this is all, you know, meaningful in different contexts, what we bought into and the promise of
decentralization. So it's really cool to hear you guys thinking through that and all you've,
all the time you've spent building and V and I think about the same things. We do.
building and V and I think about the same things we do. That's that's amazing it sounds like um
you'd really love uh our Rocket L2 system which is that peer-to-peer layer that has true peer-to-peer
nature right again no middleman um no centralization no uh stealing scraping data complete sovereignty.
stealing, scraping data, complete sovereignty.
Yeah, we did a cool trick.
Ladies, if you don't mind me jumping in again,
we did a cool trick.
Normally WebRTC, when you call somebody,
it goes through like a Google server somewhere
and it says, hey, these two people want to talk.
And then it hooks them up and then you're direct
to each other through WebRTC.
We did a cool thing where we took a decentralized database and
skipped around Google and everybody,
and we used it as a signaling server.
We actually have this way to connect
people from across the world that have never
met and never go through a server and connect them.
Chain agnostically.
Yeah, across chains and stuff.
It's really cool.
It's probably the coolest thing i've ever built i love it
and of course she uh disconnected from the room yeah of course but if you're into that kind of
decentralized again again try say again sorry you have to you'd have to say that again oh
i don't i don't know how much how much am i saying again just just tell about rocket l2
okay so rocket l2 is just this cool thing that that we built that normally when you try to web
rtc somebody which basically means just like a video call peer-to-peer um usually that stuff
goes through like what are called stun and turn servers which are run by google or whoever and
then they they don't necessarily track you.
I mean, they can, but they're there to kind of facilitate connections.
Well, we, with TangTalk, we really wanted no servers.
We really wanted to kind of, anywhere we came up against something that was like,
oh, the man's going to help you along here.
The ethos of TangTalk was, well, okay, well, we're going to spend the next six months
figuring out how not to do that
and so part of what came
of it was this, instead of using
Google's servers to help
make that connection between you and I
so we can chat
we took a decentralized database
system
like a mesh network
that requires no server
there's some relays and stuff but it it's not, it's a whole other,
it's like nodes in blockchain.
And so instead of going through Google, we went through this.
So we can make two people from across the planet who don't know each other,
never met, don't know anything, no port forwarding,
no janky router setups, just, hey, I own this NFT,
so I can open up this NFT that looks like a phone and I can call that
wallet from Ethereum over to Bitcoin and say, hey, are you there? And link up and have a phone call.
And it never goes through the Google server. So you get this really decentralized way of having
sovereign communication that where it and we have the google stun turn services
fallbacks because you do get janky network setups and some things that that happen but generally
speaking you can use the tang talk with confidence knowing that not even the signal that is sent to
connect you to is done through one of these services so you don't end up being tracked from the start. And so we then took that and took our wallets,
like whether it's a Bitcoin wallet or an Ethereum wallet,
and we use the cryptography from the wallet
to secure your communications.
So as long as I know that you're using a Bitcoin wallet
on the other side, and I'm on ETH on this side,
and I know your public key and you know my public key, we can dance and we can do it without google so if you guys are into sorry if
you ladies are into decentralized tech then wait you and you have to mention how we did this was
putting basically a pwa inside of an nft yeah it's it's pretty slick so yeah we talk about that sometime maybe another time
that yeah the tank talk thing still blows my mind i i think it's the the best thing you've built um
like like you were saying when you explained it to us when you were like yeah there's no google
involved there's no server like it's just like pure peer-to-peer i'm like oh okay like that's that's
pretty revolutionary dude like what you've done there with tantal is genuinely revolutionary
thanks man um it's some old tech it's some open source it's some clever ingenuity and
put things together the right way and make some magic
the right way and make some magic.
That's the difference between a bucket and a bat, though.
Drag out, it sounds pretty cool.
I have so many questions.
I'm starting to geek out, just like Sweet Pea, I guess.
But yeah, I have so many questions i'm starting to geek out and geek out uh just like sweet pea i guess um but yeah i have so many questions uh maybe we should talk guys because because maybe there is something we
can we can do together on on uh on uh or maybe there is a way we can work together on something
really cool tech anyway congrats it sounds super cool that's what let's set up a call yeah
what are you what are you ladies working on right now like what's the i i'll be honest i'm not i'm not overly up to speed on your project although i've heard of it countless times um what is what
is on your schedule jeff didn't they start back on back on TikTok with all of us a few years back?
Way back in the day.
Did you start the same time as us back then?
What was that?
Well, the women has definitely been around a while.
Yeah, V, what have you got?
You always like me to take the history.
But yeah.
Yeah, you take the history. You take the history because you yeah yeah yeah you take the history you take the
history because you like that part oh i like our history you do it so marvelous you know the funny
thing is okay so v and i came in six months ago and this is almost like a six month anniversary
and we do have um cause celeb uh i don't know if you guys have seen our our giphy but we're pretty
excited about our giphy page we've had i think it's 1.3hy, but we're pretty excited about our Giphy page. We've had,
I think it's 1.3 million views. We're pretty excited about that. You know, World of Women has some pretty cool ideas. Oh, you have to give the timeline. Otherwise it doesn't mean anything.
It's 1.3, but in 10 days, guys. So it's pretty cool. Pretty good number.
So it's, it's pretty, pretty cool. Pretty good number.
Yeah. Maybe that's a, and you know, maybe I just like stole the Thunder V, but I think,
I think this is the thing here. Um, world of women has been around since 21. And I think most people
in the space who've been here for a while know the project well. We've come in in the last six months.
The old team is no longer there. And in that time, you know, all NFT projects enjoyed the high times and have suffered through the lows. But World of Women was truly a blue chip and still is.
And it's just a matter of, you know, putting it back in motion and that's what we've
really been working on and working towards we have had to spend a little bit of time reconfiguring
things in order to execute on our plan and we have been heads down first maybe I can say a little
something about the size of our company which is is pretty incredible. We don't even say project.
I think in this space we tend to say NFT project, but we're funded.
We have a team that is optimized to execute on what we want to do.
So today we are 24 people strong and every one of those people with a very specific role so that we can execute in 2026.
And everybody's question is always, what are we executing in 2026? What are we doing? Well,
first, we've been trying to do some things now that are exciting and fun. I think you guys have
seen things like Wowster and our sticker packs that went out. These are cultural things. These are about what
it means to be an NFT project in Web3 and participate with our community. And so there's
a lot of love in that, a lot of love for the art that came before and where that's taking us into
the future. And so we definitely want to get back to the good conversation. We've definitely been trying to amp the volume in our Discord and on Twitter.
And we've also been sharing the brand message and identity.
And I think World of Women has largely been identified as the project that was for women in Web3 with the potential to grow there.
for women in Web3 with the potential to grow there.
Nothing's really changed about that.
but there's a new sheriff in town,
and that's the fact that men are a part of this equation.
Everyone is a part of this equation,
and we are women with our allies
helping women to be their best selves.
So within that, we're working on some products,
and I think I should probably give V a chance
to also talk about it.
It's exciting times.
I mean, you're doing such a great job.
Don't I have the best COO, honestly?
Every time that I hear her speak, I'm like, she's so good at speaking.
That is so good because I don't like the speaking part.
But no, she's doing, she's doing an amazing job.
Really, in summary, what we've done, and again, just to give you an idea, guys,
we joined, we had a team, we inherited a team of a little bit less of, short of 20 people.
We took that down to four people people and now we're 24 people so when people are
asking us what are you guys up to i'm like we are restructuring um it's not easy to turn around
a company right and yes it was an nft project but it was a company because they were trying to derive more revenue streams than just the NFT.
So for me, when I look at when, you know, while the women came knocking on my door for the CEO position, what I looked at is, OK, how do I turn that ship around that is sinking?
And I'm sorry, but it was the case it was sinking and it was the same
with pudgy penguins by the way i mean everybody knows of my past with pudgy i was part of the
core team when uh when luca took over and stayed there until beginning of this year so for three
years worked heads down on taking pudgy where where it is at right now. And I think we did an amazing job.
And it was the same dilemma was like,
how do you turn around this NFT project
into becoming a company?
And so for me, it starts from the inside out, right?
So you have to have the actual proper team
with the proper skills to execute on your roadmap and on your vision.
And so now I think starting next week,
we're gonna finally start communicating publicly
about what does that roadmap look like
and what is the new mission of WoW?
Because as Sweepy said, the last vision
or the last mission of the company
was really empowering women, which is still the legacy, is still the DNA, which we're still going to be true to.
But I want to expand that because that was the mission in 2021.
It is important for a company to stay true to its time.
And our industry has evolved so much so much over
the past four years now fast forward 2025 it is a very different industry with a very different
audience and different participants as well i mean now we've seen institutional players coming and changing, you know, the landscape.
We've lost a little bit of privacy, a lot of privacy.
We won a lot of capital inflow.
You know, you give you tech.
It's a give and take, right?
But all that to say, you have to adapt with your time. And so for me, what was important is how do we update our mission for the company to make
sure we are in line with the current landscape of our industry and the current participants.
So we're including men.
And for us, really, it drills down to the mission of Wo wow for me is how do we bring people together
right how do we all participate all help one another um to become our best selves and just
have a good time and support each other really that's that's what matters did i rug
oh we can still hear you loud and clear. No, we heard all that.
Okay, perfect.
So just to finish on that, because I think the roadmap is very important,
and just to go back to what Art and Drak were saying,
because we're working on something not similar at all, guys,
but really, I guess, in the same vein, I would say, in the same vein i would say in the same industry is besides the initiatives
and experiences and small or medium-sized products that we have um that have been launched and now
going to continue to launch sweet pea mentioned the sticker packs um we have skins coming up we
have filters coming up we have trades we have, cool, fun products for people to play with, which are going to be completely free.
Just because it's important for us to stay true to our culture, right?
And it's important for us to have fun and give products and toys for our family community to have fun with.
Right.
So that's that.
But really, the roadmap, the bigger roadmap on how do we turn this company into a company?
How do we turn this NFT project into a company?
Sorry.
really start generating revenue, which is, you know,
the epicenter of every company in our space and outside of our space.
We have two big product releases that are going to happen next year.
Q2, Q3, Q4.
One is going to be what I like to call GGP. And it's in line with Gamify,
Gamblefy, and Predictionfy. And we're going to have a massive layer to stay true to our mission,
which is bringing people together. The layer will be a massive social layer that goes through the entire platform.
That's product number one that we're working on.
Product number two is going to be an AI product that I can't talk too much about,
but obviously will be linked to our NFTs.
So those are two big products, massive products that we are working on right now.
And I'm excited to talk about it more in the coming weeks.
But this is really the big pivot we've been working on for the company.
Yeah, V, maybe I can add a little more on that too because you know people do wonder when you're
holding NFTs we all know this and we've been through we've been through the years right
we're we're looking for the meaning there the culture why why am I holding this and I've said
this on a few spaces now I'm here because I want to participate with my peers,
my friends, my allies. I participate in a specific project because it resonates with me. So it could
be any project, any of the beautiful PFPs that are sitting here tonight on this space.
You guys chose the projects you're involved in because they resonate with you. The voice resonates with you.
The art resonates.
There is something cultural there that matters to you.
And I think that's kind of the hallmark of the NFT space at its heart.
That NFTs can be so much more.
I mean, Pudgies is a great example, of course.
You know, its IP is undeniable and the impact it has on the broader landscape.
And World of Women, interestingly, I brought up the Giphy numbers because what I find so interesting is the World of Women IP has done something incredible over time.
The first thing it did was it rallied around a cause at the right time, the right time for women at that time,
what was happening and the call to empower women, it was ideal. It was just the perfect
intersection and it mattered and people wanted to participate. And then the next thing that
happened is we find out men participate in this more than women do because men are here for one, but also because there's something here that's
special that matters.
It resonates with men to support women, number one.
Two, maybe it's something they want to give to a girlfriend, wife, daughter, mother, grandmother, etc. But that participation indicates something
else and something broader. And so we see the art resonates in different ways. And over time,
its meaning has evolved. We are in a new time, in a new narrative. And the products that come
for any NFT must align with what that art is capable of bringing about culturally.
And just like, just because I know it's an example that resonates with everyone,
just as Pudgy has its lane, World of Women has an identity and an IP to reclaim.
We see it.
We saw the engagement.
We saw this lift.
It was really incredible. And we came with our mascot
recently and she's, I think mascot is so cool. I call her mascot instead of the mascot.
She's got this blend of all things, but what she represented for me was how this particular IP
resonates across the board. It can resonate just as handily in web two as web
three. Now, all along, we've had a vision for what products we're building because products matter.
The problem we have here with NFTs is utility. Everybody wants it. Everybody wants some ROI.
That's fine. That's part and parcel of our space, but you have to think bigger.
You have to think bigger and longer term.
And just as was said earlier, you know, it takes like years to develop something to bring it to fruition.
And V and I are working at a faster pace than that.
And our team, our incredible team, we'd be, you know, we wouldn't be doing any of this
without them.
So I think that's all to say, as we move into this next era of what's possible for World of Women, we have our keen eye on business and results and what this IP can mean broader.
Not just the play that is close to home, not just Web3, and not also the problem of how do we get Web2 to come in.
You know, we've got that social logins, all kinds of things that allow us to bridge the gap from regulation all the way on down. I mean,
people will be onboarded whether they like it or not into web three, but how we bring them
in terms of the IP, this is where it gets really cool and really interesting and the things that
we're working towards. So I think you're going to be seeing a shift in world of women, but not one far from home, but one that on the long
term trajectory is going to create an incredible business opportunity. And all of that is going to
trickle back to the holders of our NFTs. And that's what we're so excited about. It's not always easy
to bring all this stuff forward when you're trying to maintain an edge, which is what we've been trying to do. And we're trying to build the team
that can build the things we want to build. We've got that. And then we also want to share and build
in public, but we have to do it in the right order, in the right way. So I think that's
hopefully helpful in understanding how we're thinking about things right now
and then we are looking more than
forward to sharing as we grow
and as we build what's happening along
the way.
Epic.
I have so many questions.
I have so many questions. I think they're
for a back channel. I would love to tag up with you ladies if that's okay to ask so upfront.
Sounds like a jitsy call to me.
Yeah.
Let's do it.
Let's do it.
Absolutely.
The expansion and the growth and the team development that you're talking about is something that really is kind of my focus for 2026.
We spent basically two years laying groundwork and reinvesting in ourselves.
And it sounds like, you know, chasing what you've done so successfully.
So I'd love to get that nuanced insight that you can't otherwise get other than going through those motions.
I think I could learn a lot from you.
And building is, it's not easy
and it's not for the faint of heart.
And this is another thing I've said on Spaces a few times,
a lot of projects in our space have gone away
not even because of the market conditions.
It's the ability to survive the choppy waters
and to be able to talk every day.
And it's not a wonder that after three years
with World of Women, when market conditions changed,
the founders decided to pull up stakes and that's okay.
That shift sometimes happens.
This is not an easy thing to do.
And it's not an easy thing to deliver value
to your holders who have invested their money
and a lot of it in what we like to call liquid JPEGs,
as we all know.
But they have meaning and we can do something, something beyond this idea of I'm going to just make an attempt at utility. We don't want to do things for the sake of doing things.
We want to do things with great intention that they will actually drive value and revenue.
And that's something that's been really hard in this space for a lot of projects and V and I both
understand how rocky the road is and this is this is what we always keep in
mind is what it's gonna take from both of us and our team in order to build but
we we know what it takes and we're gonna do it
I'm over here having a panic attack while listening to you.
I'm sorry because there was a collection that I thought was minting in like
10 minutes that I was the dev for.
And I'm seeing my server fly.
It's minting.
It's probably freaking out over here.
Sorry.
I missed just a little bit of the last of what you said there.
If you don't mind going back just a minute.
No, not at all. Not at all. I just basically was saying, you know, it's not an easy being
being in this space for a project that started with its core as art, right? It's not an easy
thing to keep talking over three years and four years to keep your community engaged to bring them some value.
And it's not enough to just try, you know, test things and say this is utility.
And we're not interested in doing that.
We're interested in actually building products that will drive revenue and value that will come back to our holders.
What did you tell?
Yeah, we just completed 353 days of our 365-day goal of spaces every day with our tech space.
So totally get that.
And we've been talking, you know, since TikTok Day, since 2021, that's where me and Drac met.
And that's where I met Thy Revolution.
Back then, he was just trying to give
people mental health while he was uh working night shifts doing uh his electric apprenticeship
uh he was staying at the lodge if i know you were doing room reviews back then uh the different
hotels you were staying at um and that's where we met right and we became family members back then
and every day since you know uh all these homies inside this room, all these people with the yellow, all the people with the plus you're with us, that all came and developed through these friendships and through these relationships and through these talking every single day, right?
Because Web3 isn't a reality.
Web3 is a ideology, right?
And we're all working every day to figure out what that is, to be able
to fit the dream into a reality. And it's people like you and people like me and people like here
who are listening inside these spaces each and every day who give us the time, energy, and the
ear to be able to come out here and speak our passions of what we believe in and what we think
we should build with every single day. Because again, these conversations are the building blocks of the actions of the tomorrow
Does that you make it impossible to follow up what you say that the hill is the same like you make it possible to follow up
But you're right, though.
Well, we're all quite serious, aren't we?
Aren't we, Bacon?
We're real serious.
Maybe we need to have a little fun for a minute.
But this is serious stuff. I mean, we are in a really interesting time.
We don't know what Trump's going to do next, right?
And we don't know.
We cannot rely on our assumptions from the past. We could go back and look at Bitcoin at Christmas time at any year and we could see we either were on a gainer or we were
stable, right? And I'm sure we'll see some uptick. But the broader scheme of things is changing with every minute, every ounce of regulation that comes, every adaptation, every desire from government to catch up and take what's theirs is changing our landscape minute by minute.
And in this space in particular, of course, if you think things will stay forever, you're not really thinking for
yourself. You've got to think ahead of the curve a little bit and ask yourself, why would it stay
that way? And what are the other macro factors that could affect it? And so I think we cannot
rely on the past as the indicator of the future. We live in the chop the choppiest waters and here we have to really decide for ourselves what
what is it going to take to be sustainable? What is it going to take to actually deliver real value
and look far ahead and how we can leverage the tools that we have all that's been built to date
to bear on what we create and we have an incredible opportunity. We live here on the bleeding edge.
Where else would you want to be?
I mean, this is pretty incredible
that we can sit here together on this space today.
Instead of a work-a-day job,
we get to build something that might change the world.
So it's hard not to be serious,
but usually on spaces we have to have a little fun here.
So please inject the humor.
No, we appreciate the insight on on what you're doing and you're
right it is it is serious and like you said you know there's a lot happening a lot that impacts
what's next and a lot of pivoting that takes place but it it is awesome to you know see how
ecosystems like yours and Drax and Brad's build and develop and create not only the solutions,
but in a lot of cases with Drax and Brad, the tools that they need from utilising tools to level up,
to creating the tools to continuously level up is just phenomenal to see.
continuously level up is just phenomenal to see and it is it is an interesting one as well when
it gets to these parts of the market cycles as to how people's perception is on the industry
because of course there's assets that have you know prices attached that in essence that are
very volatile and fluctuate and it's what certain people see as the value
whether they're looking short term or long term so it can it can get really messy as well so you
know focusing on what you're doing and what you're aiming to accomplish and how people perceive that
through the things that you do is is incredible um like when we came to see you at the christmas meetup was an awesome experience
and then i think the next day i think v was in miami i believe and the team you know some of the
team are in miami somewhere in the uk correct i was like where does sleep fit into this exactly
it didn't v and i got on a plane together.
We had a meeting we had to attend in London,
and then we ran to Heathrow, got on the plane,
slept a few hours, and hit Miami on the weekend
after Christy and Jillian had been with Profits
running our event there for days.
And man, they brought it.
We regret that we couldn't be there for that piece of it,
but our girls brought it.
And then we got there on Saturday and Sunday
and did our best to keep our eyes open with toothpicks
and take some meetings.
And it was great though.
Yeah.
V, do you have anything to add about our Basil?
I mean, it was very interesting because, you know,
unfortunately, we didn't get to go to many events
because we had meetings, one-on-one meetings.
because we had meetings, one-on-one meetings.
But it was so interesting for me to see
the different types of mindset people were in
giving the market right now.
Super interesting.
You have the first category, which is pessimistic.
And obviously, it's a hard market for everybody.
We all, all of us, every single of us
is obviously taking a bidding right now
with this market, right?
But you can think about it as in this is an opportunity
or thinking about it as this is the end of my dream of becoming rich. And it's so interesting because I got personally to see those two different profiles.
And every time that I hear someone say being pessimistic about the market, about NFTs and about Web3 and, you know, crypto in general, because of the down market right now, I'm thinking to myself, wow.
I mean, this is completely the opposite way of how I think about it.
And maybe because I'm my brain is wired as I'm very opportunistic
but I think this is an amazing time and I'm sure art and dark you guys will be you I'm sure you
will you can relate to that but I love this market because that allows us to actually build in peace without being pressured by the market, actually.
So this is like a slower market that allows us to build brick back brick and the right way.
So I absolutely love this market.
It's a builder's market.
Oh, yeah.
It's so peaceful to work right now people are
calm I mean maybe not calm maybe a little panicked but they're not they're
not hyped and greedy that that's for sure and so it makes for a much peaceful
more peaceful place to work for sure I don't know I don't know about you guys, but I feel like we can definitely Jeff. We can definitely relate with the the having toothpicks in our eyes for presentation day in Vegas when we stayed up. What was it 36 hours after arriving in Vegas at like midnight and then ended up going and winning second in the competition and taking bit boys money.
and then ended up going and winning second in the competition
and taking BitBoy's money?
Yeah, that was a fun time, man.
I was, when I think back, that was not crazy long ago,
but long ago enough that it feels in crypto terms like a couple of years.
You know, that time multiplier.
Very cool.
I don't know.
I feel like I'm living inside a toys arrest store and i have all
the toys i could ever want that's what it feels like now ai is i i mean maybe uh wow if you guys
could talk about i don't know the effects of ai i can i can i can make pretty good assumptions of
the effects of your work on ai but i know for me it's been an absolute
game changer there's five of me in my office now at any one time are you finding
the same amplification of your own skills oh absolutely i think the thing that you said
earlier whereas it just amplifies your strength absolutely doubles down on that i i i agree with that
are you are you using it the way that you that you hoped you would be or are you finding that
you're ahead or behind in any way i well you know it's hard to say whether you're ahead or behind
because this tech is evolving so fast that i feel like even 24 hours not using it,
you're already behind. So I don't know how you assess it and maybe you need to tell me.
I was thinking more from where you expected yourself to be or where you might have,
you know, when you first dove into AI, are you where you thought you might be?
Or are you further?
Or are you still behind of where you thought you might be?
For me, when I think about it, it's like,
when I first got into it, it was okay, a little resistant,
a little, didn't get it.
And then when I thought I got it, it was like,
oh, okay, cool, in three months I'm going to be here.
But in that three months, it was like, whoa,
I just blew that out of the water.
And therefore, I feel like I'm behind to be here but in that three months it was like whoa I just blew that out of the water and I therefore I feel like I'm behind on the content the drinking from the fire hose from the from the general intake of all the advancements but I do feel like I'm really glad that I put the
time into it over the past year because I do feel like I've gotten a little ahead of where I thought
even I could be and that's testament to the tech making it so accessible and so easy to learn and stuff.
I guess that's what I mean in relation to your own goals.
Personally, but I'm going to let Sweet P talk of how much I've used AI to enhance
my strength so in that sense I think I'm ahead of what I thought I would be or where I thought I
would be but on the flip side of that I think I'm way behind where I would have hoped to be in terms of helping on
the I guess my shortcomings where I think I'm I'm a little bit where I need to work like for example
coding right I wish I had more time to actually spend working with AI, learning how to code,
like vibe coding, for example.
That's a thing that I would love to spend more time doing.
So I think in that sense,
I'm ahead on some things.
I'm behind on other things,
but I'll let Sweet Pea talk as well
because I know she's an avid user.
Well, that doesn't mean I'm using it optimally. I mean I'm sure I'm a bit of a Luddite but I think we can
dissect this a few ways right? Like one is personal productivity or team
productivity. Two is generating, really generating new ideas and the
implementation of them. Three is do I want to invest in AI and
how do I look at the landscape and what do I think is going to happen? And then four for me
is what I find so interesting is how do we train AI? All the issues, like the legal issues get
interesting. I mean, I've been on a couple calls with lawyers for various products that I thought it was really interesting to hear how we're thinking about AI, what constitutes anything from like plagiarism to, you know, all the copyright issues.
One of the things that's been in my life for a long time is music.
And I certainly as somebody who's written a lot of music, it gets really interesting.
I think AI is having a positive impact on my life.
I feel like I'm being, you know, I'm running behind, I'm chained to the truck and running behind it while it's going 100 miles an hour.
I feel that way about everything in life.
I view myself as an eternal student and never good enough and not not there fast enough so um from that perspective of course I'm not going to feel like I'm ahead of the game
or where I want to be um but do I think this tool has afforded us an incredible luxury of time
and efficiency and faster learning yes the danger is we're all so in danger of reducing our own skills to taking
in a headline and extrapolating that headline out to mean something different than it does or
backfilling what we think it means rather than really doing the academic work to understand what something means.
And so that said, I think we're all at a deficit unless you have that level of focus and time
to really dig deeper.
For example, if you ask chat a question, have you read the answer? And I think there are cases where we go fast and maybe take
a headline and then create some meaning around it. Also, if you ask chat for just about anything,
what you're really getting is like kind of a median response of all the things that it's been
said. And from there, you really need to go back and apply your own creativity to
what you're reading. Think. Think about it. Take a minute to lay there on your bed, stare at the
ceiling, and think about what you've read. But because we're going faster, we don't necessarily
do that. I think that's getting people into all kinds of problems just from not knowing what
you're talking about or even as bad as legal
problems when you're trying to run a business and if you don't apply it carefully.
I also think on the, I'll just add the one other piece of it, you know, we see the proliferation
of different platforms that are capable of generating a sort of human avatar for the purpose of social
media. And I think the trends around this are going to get really interesting really fast.
And today, I even was, you know, I mentioned the World of Women IP, the identity. I was really
thinking about this, especially looking at the mascot.
I think we're going to reach a stage with the next generation.
I mean, this has already proven that there's a distrust, right?
We are going to see modeling of human beings that can tell us things, and we may latch onto it to a certain degree,
but our radars are still also high for what is human.
but our radars are still also high for what is human.
And in a way, when we're looking at our PFPs
and our more animated or cartoon character,
sorry, I can't get the word out,
characterizations of what is a life form,
sometimes it's easier to relate to what's cute
instead of what's real and overly optimized.
And I think there's a lot of opportunity there to kind of bridge that gap and not rely on a human likeness to actually dupe
or convince someone of something when it's not really coming from someone's own thinking. So these are important
metas for me across the board. They all matter to me personally. And yeah, I would say largely
I'm behind, except on my investments. I would say I'm doing pretty well there.
An LLM is just a social consensus mechanism, right? So it's vanilla model of when you first
start a conversation, that instance itself only has, in a sense, the biggest goal it has is to
produce the next most predictable word that's going to come after that, which again, is social
consensus, not necessarily the most right answer, right? Not the most right answer right not the most correct answer so the more
you hyper define your prompt itself the less ambiguous you are with every single aspect of
what you're asking it for the less ambiguous of an answer and result you're going to get
it's also a really cool fun toy to play with come on now guys it's not all doom and gloom
yeah we've gone full geek here i i absolutely adore ai i understand its pitfalls i understand
everything you guys are talking about and appreciate it and agree with it and even still
at the end of the day to me more than anything it's this magical Star Trek has come to life. My childhood has come, you know, all my dreams are coming true.
And creatively, I find it has just been like pouring a pot, like a bucket of gasoline on a fire.
It's just been the most exciting thing to wake up to since I don't know what.
It feels like absolute superhuman powers these days. the most exciting thing to wake up to since I don't know what, um,
it feels like absolute superhuman powers these days.
And I,
and I'm not sure who was saying it,
but I really agreed with what you were talking about with,
you know,
having that already having that backfill of,
of the,
of the nitty gritty detail of the tech,
not just relying on the headline.
Um, I feel like that's my advantage as an eighties baby, you know, it's kind of baked into me now. the nitty gritty detail of the tech, not just relying on the headline.
I feel like that's my advantage as an 80s baby.
You know, it's kind of baked into me now.
All that gritty stuff.
But I agree with you.
I worry sometimes about what the novice take from it. And sometimes there's like a gut feeling that I get before I even understand the problem.
But I've seen enough things to happen to get a, you know, get that feel of like, ah,
that combination of things just doesn't seem right.
And I can't put my finger on it.
But intuition and experience and that gets lost in AI.
That doesn't even exist in AI because nobody sat down at any point to write
down the nuance of these you know edge case things they they just don't exist so I love everything
you guys are saying I joke about you know making it light but serious side there's the fun side and
and I don't know man I where it is in 10 years well yeah that's that's what i was saying though is is an llm is
one aspect of it right so like we can't treat all ai as one aspect of it right if you are catering
towards an llm which is your your chat bot right um there is a lot of other aspects that especially
in the last year that we've seen development in ai let's just look at the the sake of automation
for that sakes right like the ability to have things and agents and services and orchestration,
all the different layers of understanding of AI itself, right?
Not just an LLM.
Yeah, that's fair.
Yeah.
I love the creative side.
I love where it lets me go.
It's just...
I have two questions, guys.
Jack, question back to sender do you think you
head or behind and then second question art do you have a baby next to you
i do the animals play the animals play all day i have a four month old on the 21st. Oh my gosh, come on! That's so cute!
Thank you, I just picked him up. So we're doing the same, you know, four songs
that play over and over again on the
kick and play. So he loves it.
Oh, that's
adorable. I'm so jealous
and all my three little rugrats are
upstairs and they're all
beyond the sweet ages.
They all have opinions now they all can voice
that opinion and we know how that goes don't we mickey
oh absolutely we know how that goes oh best job in the world in a game of poker mickey doesn't
know how to fold okay yeah no no mickey. Mickey's, yeah, he impresses me.
I thought three was a lot of my own, but, like, this man wrangles five,
like, makes it look easy.
Lord, dying.
To answer your question, I feel like the correct answer is that I barely even
know what I don't know.
But even given that, I feel absolutely alive and on fire as far as the dev side goes.
And I do feel like I'm ahead where I thought I would be, which is surprising because usually I'm tailing because I'm an old dog.
And it takes my brain a little bit to grasp some of the newer concepts sometimes.
It takes my brain a little bit to grasp some of the newer concepts sometimes, but it has absolutely reignited my coding.
So I guess leading up to AI, there was kind of a point in my career where it was like, yeah, coding is kind of a perishable skill in some ways.
It's a little bit like being a sharpshooter.
Eventually the skills fade,
mostly because the tech outruns you,
but you're not a sharpshooter.
You don't learn as quick, all that kind of stuff.
And so you'll see devs go from senior engineer
to product owner or some sort of team lead or something,
more into an advisory manager.
And so I was feeling like,
ah, I might be getting there.
But then AI came in and was like, ah, we got one more trick up our sleeve.
And it has surprised me. So, yeah, I guess in short, I feel like I am farther than I kind of expected that I would be pleasantly surprised to be so.
kind of expected that I would be pleasantly surprised to be so. But also understanding
that I know nothing in comparison to the people I surround myself with in the industry at large.
It's enormous. So I'll forever be a student, but there's nothing new there. That's just kind of
how it's always been. So I try not to think about that. Yeah, Dee, it's so cool that you, you know, what you said about the excitement around what you
can do because of it. And I, and I agree with you. And I think it's important to really,
to really say that, like, we have something that we could never do before. What we're able to do
because of this is, is miraculous. And it's easy to you know handering about oh well what could go wrong and what doesn't work so i certainly didn't
mean to come at it from that perspective but i think it came out of it in any way yeah yeah
i think what bothers me about it is i don't i don't want to fall into that trap either and and like if you understand it okay so there are all kinds
of um categorically there are all types of uh projects out there who are feeding llms and
specifically training them to a subject matter right and we'll probably have some consolidation
over time and absorption into some of the big bigger bigger models and how these
all get connected and how they're able to talk to each other that that gets i mean that's crucial
because if you only have a limited set of data to work with then you're only going to get the
best answer that was ever you know fed into and able to be um back out. So how this all connects and what it could mean in
the future is almost mind boggling, somewhat terrifying, but that's okay. I don't think I'll
be on the planet that long. But what I do think that matters now is how can we push it and figure out what is possible? And I have, I have a friend, she's a
therapist and she has absolutely, I think she just about broke chat GPT trying to push it to do
really interesting things like figuring out by photographs of her family, certain things about
genetics and DNA. And yeah, I've seen some really crazy experiments.
I think this is the fun stuff where you can really geek out and see if you can make,
you know, it's like making smoke coming out of your toaster because you pushed it so hard,
you put like seven pieces of toast and see what would happen. I don't know, some weird analogy
like that. But this is what we want to do. And this is what we, if we're into it, what we should
do is just push it as hard as possible and see what you can find out and what you can learn.
And that's where prompting gets really fun. We're experimenting with what you want out of it and
what you say to it. It's on you, right? You can keep shaping it. So I guess I should pull this
back to World of Women, because we came there to
talk about it a little bit, but I love geeking out on this stuff. But I think this is the thing,
like even within your own projects, everybody who's here on the space and your own lives,
you know, thinking about how can I make the smoke come out of this thing? How can I leverage it so
that I can build better, create better, think better,
optimize my life, have it be my personal assistant? God knows, can somebody deliver me?
I think I might've found a really great EA, thanks to V. We have a fantastic EA on our team,
but trust me, there are so many things that we're trying to get done, and it's just so helpful to be able to have AI there to assist with the little things, you know?
So let's push it.
Let's see what we can find out, and let's all report back.
We have crypto Twitter to do that.
If you're looking for a repo full of burnt bread, you can check mine out.
Definitely love experimenting in every different direction with AI that your mind can possibly go. If you guys ever want, like, like I said,
besides like the call, we just want to like, again,
get a little bit more intimate to know what you guys are doing with the
project. But yeah, we love to explore.
That's basically what our business is is deep tech white label SAS production.
So yeah, whatever you need to build,
we basically had our tone pretty much everything.
Yeah. Been doing this a long time.
A lifetime.
I can vouch for that.
He's been doing it for a bit.
Yeah, just a little bit.
Just a little bit.
I never thought I'd be here in crypto making a game
that's for sure
when you're doing aerospace
defense systems you don't expect
a few years later to be making
fuzzy cat dragon artwork games
that's for sure
it's
crazy where this world will take it
yeah but which one was more dangerous
that's gonna require yeah
that's gonna require a separate separate space to hear about your work in in defense um you know
now you set us up for like murder mystery and entries oh listen don't get me going i have
stories upon stories upon stories don't don't ask him about his work in Qatar. No, yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, another space, another time.
But yeah, Fuzzy Cat Dragons, that's what I do now.
Fuzzy Cat Dragons, blockchain, telephones, and minting and gaming.
I don't know how I ended up here.
But I sure am grateful.
And it's really nice to meet you ladies as well.
Because I've heard about your project many, many times.
I've heard many, many people speak highly of you.
And so it's really nice to kind of share the space.
Even if, you know, we're just kind of nerding out and going all over the place.
I enjoy it.
You know, on that note, I'd really love to just take a moment to give a shout out to a few people on this call because they're the ones who make the magic happen.
And you'll see some World of Women PFPs out in our audience tonight and up here on the stage.
We've got Lord Echo and Ecology.
Echo and ecology. I always say echo and I will forever say it and he knows this, but
I always say Echo and I will forever say it.
ecology is just essential, fundamental. We don't run without him and he is the badass
head of community who's making life enjoyable for you guys and discord. And then we got
Tomato who's new and she's out there in the audience giving him a big
thumbs down right now to her boss, which I love. And I think we've also got Chickpeas here who is
our brand strategist. And I'm pretty sure Mad Potters is here somewhere, but I just wanted you
guys to be aware of them because seriously, World of Women is a stellar team. We've got a crack team and
V and I couldn't be more proud. So even though you're like, what's your edge? What are you
building? I can tell you who's building it. If I can't say anything else today, I can definitely
say that. We've got some great people. And I think one other thing, Rob and Bacon, if you don't mind,
I wanted to say where are you guys going to be come spring and point out that we have a big
event calendar for 2026. We're back. We're going to be doing smaller activations, larger activations.
So first thing is right now we're looking're looking at um what we're doing at
nft paris and wondering if you guys are all going to be there and what's going on on your schedules
possibly maybe i'm not too sure i'm not too sure i don't get brought too often to be fair i think
my passport's about to expire um i think i've got less than three months, so I don't think they'd let me go.
So, yeah, that's a problem.
Oh, my God, man.
Figure that out.
I have to be able to live the country at any moment.
That's how I live.
Yeah, well.
On the go.
I don't.
I love my creature comforts.
I've got my place in the world.
I'll drag him there. Don't worry. We'll drag him there don't worry i need to get a
passport sorted out for me so but yeah when when is is paris do you not ever got a month yet is that
a secret is it no it's february 4th through 6th i believe is nft paris and i think we're we're
going to do something lightweight there but definitely we're going to get the gang together
and brush off our French,
since V herself is wonderfully French-speaking,
and so is our head of marketing, Marie.
And I am lightly and working on it
just so I can get around town in my own company
with my CEO.
The COO needs to make sure that the CEO doesn't get in too much trouble.
Right, Dre?
I don't know what you're talking about.
I have no idea what you're talking about, Vegas.
V and I have great alignment on that one. But yeah, last year, I actually got a hall pass on my accent that it was approved by both Marie and V that my accent was good enough. Now that is way more rare, even if I can't speak French well, to get accent approval. That's really what you're looking for there. So just you understand with the french speaking people you will want that
I mean, that's pretty skillful to be fair
You guys, thank you. Do you guys use signal?
Um, I used to use it I haven't used it in a while. Do you remember back in the day when Signal was having, like, live performances?
Did I just date myself?
Oh, God.
I missed the question.
Sorry, I was replying to something.
It was something you just asked.
Signal was having live artist performances, music really do you remember that yeah
like win amp days yeah it sounds like old school this was like i want to say this like 18 18
i was participating in crypto heavily then i was trying to get i don't even know how to say this
to you i was trying to get bitcoin cash into south sud know how to say this to you. I was trying to get Bitcoin cash into South Sudan and Venezuela and working with a fund we had raised.
And we had a board.
I was on the board.
We were incorporating in Switzerland.
And then the market crashed.
We lost our fund.
It was so horrible.
But we tried.
We did some pretty cool work back then
and i think it was 18 18 or 19 that signal was doing something along those lines and
and you could participate with crypto it's pretty cool but yeah back then
it was all cloak and daggers and signal was the tool of choice
yeah i like signal i also like slack it's kind
of they kind of have some old old love for slack but ping us on signal we should we should talk
I hate slack with a passion really oh wow I don't think I've ever heard somebody say they hate Slack with a passion.
I hate Slack with a passion, but Iko's got his hand cut, his hand is up, so maybe he's got something to say about it.
I do, I really do. I just heard guys Sweet Pea talking and seems like she's now the expert with the French accent.
talking and seems like she's now the expert with the French accent so I want
to take my opportunity here to say a few words in French and get her opinion
about my accent as well in French so I'll give it a try really quick
she's the best how is that sweet pea for you for French
oh damn it I just forgot this is the problem the word i was looking for to say i liked it um
well anyway i i almost said i liked you and so i can't be throwing you know je vous aime or je
t'aime out there like that to my team that doesn't work we'll doesn't work. We'll talk about it later, Echo.
We'll talk about it on Slack. I need to get V and Maria as well to rate my French speaking.
And we'll make a contest maybe between the team.
Yep, that sounds good.
Oh, and by the way, I'm with you on slack i hate slack i'm a big discord guy i know a lot of people you know over these years in crypto and nft communities and everything you
know there was a lot of hacks happening in discord so uh the sentiment for discord as well dropped
a lot in the past few years um but on slack i don't know i i can't stand slack as well dropped a lot in the past few years. But on Slack, I don't know.
I can't stand Slack as well.
You know, for sure, our team uses
and a lot of teams use, you know,
in the more the corporate side of things.
But I hate it as well, Sweet Pea.
I hate it.
Yeah, back in the day,
well, we went from Slack to Discord, right?
And now it's kind of come full circle all right i have one for you guys let's talk about discord for a minute
what what happened you know we used to have, obviously, Discord has always been heavily botted, but we used to have lively, pithy, you know, snappy conversations in Discord, funny conversations.
I used to live for the fun voices in Discord, and now I'm looking for a return to greatness.
And every Discord I go into, every every project i don't know what to say
it's like 90 trash
no it's not that's bullshit i love discord i still love this it's still my favorite platform
you know a lot of people transition to x and x group sheds a really long time ago uh but i don't
know i feel like i'm
the minority here with sweet p as well uh we still love discord somehow
well let's go around the table what was the best discord you were ever in for for each of our
speakers good question uh for me to be honest the best time for me in discord was really in 2021
uh and to be honest it was in the board both in the board dates and also the world of women at
the time as well they were super active discords and for board dates there was the trading channel, you know, and sales channel. It was so full of activity.
People had this kind of way back in the day that before selling any NFT or at least an NFT on OpenSea, at least for Apes, we usually went to the Discord, to the sales trading channel.
And there was always almost like, I don't know, every five minutes there was people, you know, sharing, hey, I want to sell this one.
It has these trades, you know, or if someone wants to trade, it was full of activity.
It functioned pretty much as a marketplace, to be honest, to kind of, you know, go around OpenSea and not like pay fees or anything like that, you know.
But it was an amazing time. I met a lot of people, including Papi, you know,
the Quirkies owner right now.
That's when I met Papi back in 2021,
was trading board types.
So that was the best experience for me, for sure.
Let's go.
That is a good question.
It's a tough one.
I mean, I don't use it as much now as
i used to i mean i still check in on it every now and again and we are going to be restructuring
our discord because we kind of moved over to telegram from for like easy easy use for
communication um it was mainly um for like when we was communicating using voice messages or video
video messages it was just more
interactive and it just felt like a smoother way to communicate um but discord for what it is i do
think it is awesome for the way that it can facilitate so many different things and you
can personalize your own segment of the internet if you will and sort of like stay tap-down with
your community so it is awesome but obviously the
the bots and uh you know the amount of vulnerabilities that are around that you do
have to be super careful as everybody knows and i think that's kind of a bit of a deterrent at the
moment which is why i love what drack and brad have built even more um but to pick one would be
so hard because when we was over on tiktok in our first couple
of years of joining the space we were we was always maxed out how many we was in it was always
in 100 to 200 discords when they upped the cap um so to pick one i think would be impossible really
but yeah there's definitely many many good good experiences from game nights and community channels for people staying communicated.
So, yeah, I don't know if I could pick one, if I'm honest.
So that is a very good question there.
I never really used Discord.
But actually, I'll tell you, I was in the hundreds as well.
I reached the cap as well, but that's just because I was jumping
in every single one to see where the value was.
I would say some of the best ones, salty sharks,
like loads of fun game nights and lots of interaction loads of friends over there uh i'd say
uh stone sloths as well because number one they're earning me a passive income through their real
world business uh number two uh they do great poker nights number three they do other games um
number four they do vape juices, which I like to.
And then I would say there's maybe one more.
The MCR trading discord was really good.
It was a trading discussion kind of spot.
Really good.
Bacon, I just wanted to say say since you brought up um you know trading and then echo had talked about the trading channel the otc channels from my perspective are the best that is where the
messiest conversation used to happen where it was just the most fun, the most shit talking. Like, really, if you just wanted, like, ridiculous, you know, ridiculous shit posting
and then the fun aspect of trading, I always loved being in different OTC channels.
Definitely thought, definitely have always loved being in Bored Ape.
And there are a few others, I could say.
But yeah, that channel in particular, that's the one you go to when you just need a good laugh.
Yeah, I totally know what you mean. And I think, I think memes are so underrated. I think they've probably got every single person through dark times. you know there's been a few people I've come across through my social media experience that
would often they pretty much only communicate through memes and that was all that was required
I think I think that ties in very much with platforms like discord where people can
kind of connect and and you find you find good friends through that experience i think
humor ties into that nicely as well because that's one of the things i love about these
conversations and spaces and discord is people from all around the world that just want to
have a good conversation and connect with people and have a laugh and they've got a different
humor because they're from a different place i just think it's it's just a brilliant way for for people to kind of come together and then
you know people with similar skills as well you know people will come to discords for whether it
be crypto nfts the metaverse or a combination of all of it and have different and have similar
skills and are able to collaborate and just those language barriers kind of seem to drop because you both have an
understanding for the same thing from a different different perspective i just think that's awesome
as well yeah you know you guys brought up poker too and i we would be remiss not to say that world
of women has revived a poker night i don't know if anybody's aware of this.
And we're not even sure.
Like maybe, yeah, maybe our crew isn't so into it or they are.
We have yet to discover, but that was only recent.
And we also have some other fun games and things going on that we're playing.
But that thing you said, though, about, you know,
you're just connecting with your friends and you're trying to have fun
and trying to let some steam off and have a good time.
This is culture.
This is what I'm talking about that has been missing.
And specifically, we knew that coming in for World of Women,
it hasn't been there for a while.
And we are working hard to not only reinvigorate it,
but we want to understand what people who are participating with
us are participating for. What do you guys care about? What do you want to have happen? And
what is fun? What's cool? Because the landscape has changed. I mean, everybody came out of Discord
to invest in meme coins. And to your point about memes, the memes lived outside of Discord.
That conversation kind of went out to like, how can I just trade and win quickly? And we kind of lost more of the
friendship vibe and Telegram moves at a different pace. I mean, its interface isn't really, from my
perspective anyway, isn't really lending itself to finding your friends there i think that there was a comfort a home inside of discord that we don't
see and that's okay things changed it doesn't have to matter anymore but we're certainly trying
to figure out if if it's meaningful and and what we can do to to make it fun again and bring it all
bring it all back for the community yeah that's kind of when i started in with drac that's
kind of how i felt i'm not i'm not a trader i'm not yeah i do the meme coins with my friends and
stuff and we have a really great time it's i love hanging out with them every day um but it's just
not the coin shape i'm a builder i just want to do the fun thing you know i just just whatever is
fun and so when i came into the space and i i landed
in discord i was like oh my god it's so loud you know and it's so and it took me a bit to get
comfortable with it but after a couple bad experiences that was kind of my mission with
with the drag game from the beginning was a vehicle to just be creative, find the people that are like-minded,
assimilate around a common thing,
and just have fun. And I really don't care about the success or otherwise of it,
just the tooling, the learning, the vibing,
the conversations, the laughs, the spaces.
It's easily become the most valuable thing in my work careers these things
that i've never had before a community like that comes with a project that you couldn't just put
together irl not with you couldn't put out enough ads to try to find the exact mix of people that
you can find here technically astute, aspirations for more and better,
communication is at the forefront versus what do you look like, what's your skin color. None of us
know. It's all gone out of the way and it leaves this, if you find the right rooms, this is why I
really like the COC, the Chia guys, the Tang Gang. It brings so much valuable stuff that you just couldn't buy.
You couldn't manufacture it even with the best minds in the world, in my opinion.
Love the space.
Love it.
Love that track. I am am too I'm enjoying it and
I'm sure you know we're talking
a lot about the past and
understanding that
when people come to listen to a space they also want to know
and talk about what's happening now
and what's happening next and it's
really cool because I think we both had a chance
to talk from a project perspective what it is we're focused on in the future. But maybe Bacon and Rev,
you know, if you want to bring it back around to anything you want to talk about coming down
the pipe, I mean, happy to keep going in that direction too. Or anything we see happening on
the landscape. I mean, we're all paying close attention to what's happening next
and what is it going to mean for Web3 and what matters.
I mean, these are big – we can look at macro and micro,
but, you know, they're big, juicy topics,
and lots of cool things have been springing up in the last couple of weeks.
Well, I mean, we've sent our book off to the printer.
That's what's been happening over on our side.
So our book's almost ready to go.
So that's really exciting.
I'm going to get a print sent to myself.
Say more.
Tell the audience more.
My goodness.
So I'm going to get a couple of printings for me and a couple of the team members.
And then we're going to go through it, make sure it's all printing good.
And we're going to then satisfy the pre-orders that we've got,
get those sent out. And then, yeah, we're, we're ready to go.
Just waiting on the printer. That's it.
That's awesome. You know,
we've been also working on a little something um fun for the community
i don't want to blow the surprise maybe eco i shouldn't say anything it's up to you yeah
don't spoil it do it okay okay okay okay nope not gonna say we almost got some alpha almost
no let's go no but no we do appreciate the um you know we are it's awesome that we're all
building different things that we can talk about it and celebrate the journey and the things that
we've learned people that we've connected with and to see what's possible with the tech but to see
um you know people using the tech to build things that they find meaning in and not only just that
but also create the tools required to keep doing that as well and
to help educate people along the way it's just awesome to see that from from different perspectives
and it's awesome that we get to kind of learn where people came from and where they're looking
to go and how they're looking to do that as well and i think it's nice that people can listen to these conversations and and learn
about what the space means to people and and what people have learned along the way and uh
i personally find some things really humorous as well like you know people's feeling towards
discord i feel that more people probably can have a love hair relationship with it um for all the
right and wrong reasons which you know i feel is one of the things that kind of have a love-hay relationship with it for all the right and wrong reasons,
which I feel is one of the things that kind of bring us together as well is through utilising different platforms and different tools,
you kind of learn what works and what doesn't,
and that's what I kind of like about Brad and Dracatus
is they see the shortcomings in these things
and are already five steps ahead with five versions of themselves building in the past future and present it's amazing
i think i think firecaster is making some really big moves um it's it's really
piqued my uh attention recently it's um it's it's kind of like twitter but it's kind of just crypto kind of thing almost.
But yeah, I'm finding it's quite an interesting experience.
But also they're constantly looking.
Their roadmap's pretty extensive, basically. And I think Farcash has the potential to kind of take over the place where crypto resides, you know.
the place where crypto resides you know
the kind of replacement for crypto twitter if that makes sense
yeah if no one's seen that go check that out
i think you can just sign up now i don't know if you need a referral there was a
thing where you had to be referred which was good because it keeps out the bots yeah so i just took the conversation in a completely
different direction well we're excited uh for your book um we definitely have to get together
this week for the other thing we were talking about in the background, Mickey.
We've also, to be fair, you guys are both in the book.
Yeah, aren't I supposed to be making something for you guys?
To token gated or something? A digital version?
Yes, yeah, mate. I think you're going to need, we're going to need your help for the cheer cheer side of things i think so uh we'll be looking at it seems like a perfect opportunity to showcase you on crate
what is great sorry great i'm freaking out over here you guys have no idea from a dev's perspective
i'm over here losing my mind because one of my friends was launching his very first collection tonight on crate creates an nft minting system that brad and
i made and i'm watching the server as i've been hanging out and talking to you guys and it things
were happening that i wasn't expecting to happening the the mint process changed he switched something
up and i'm over here freaking out the whole time like did something go wrong like what's happening i'm texting everybody nobody's answering me i'm freaking like anyway
yeah we could get you on great it went really well i found out after um it's uh yeah it's a
nft minting platform for tia you guys will like it it's got a lot of options, a lot of features. Done.
Continue it done. Just give us till January.
That's when we start looking at the
end of this stuff. Good timing. That's probably
like
gaming's probably going to be really close
to in Crate
towards the end of January, I would say.
So you'll be timing perfect
with some really cool shit coming out.
Wicked
Good timing
See this stuff don't happen by accident mate this stuff don't happen by accident now do it. It's all
It's all happening the way it should the universe tends to unfold that way so you put in the
The only way it can unfold
it's like dory just keep playing just keep playing just keep p sherman uh 42 wallaby lane yeah exactly place alright I think we've maybe got a bit of time
for a quick aerospace
what's the word
reminisce
what's the word I'm looking for
a story from
we mentioned it earlier you were saying how you had a a story or two from your aerospace
oh man i had too many stories dude i've had a really cool career i've had a very fortunate
life um i don't know i i don't remember. Working for Apple was really cool.
Oh, yeah, I said something about working in defense, and somebody asked.
The story even behind that is kind of cool.
So Brad knows this about me.
It's just kind of just go, go, go.
We've got a million things on the go.
Anyway, so back story is I went to flight school.
This is what I wanted to do since I was like nine years old.
I went to flight school, got a pilot's license, and then I had a heart condition.
So I couldn't do it as a career anymore.
So I kind of came out and was like, what the hell am I going to do, you know?
And anyway, I ended up kind of going to work for Apple after.
Anyway, that's a whole other story.
Eventually ending up kind of missing flying.
I had gone a solid career of 20 years of not being around planes while I was just working.
And I really missed it.
And so I just applied to the local flying college here one day and was like, maybe I'll just go work in dispatch, push some planes around and just do it on the busy job.
I'll go do it on the back shift one night a week and have some fun.
A classic, my kind of personality, see these things that are wrong with their software systems for tracking aircraft and all these things and dispatch.
And I wanted to fix them and make them better.
But of course, in an airline type company, you can't affect change very easily, right?
If it's not safety related then it's pushed
down the road a little bit usually because it costs whatever everything's expensive
so you kind of hit the it wall and brad knows this i don't like the word no so
i um i sat down and figured out a way to write okay if you can't do it yeah exactly brad loves
telling me i can't do stuff um so i sat down and wrote a um wait wait
wait i never tell you you can't do it i just say it's okay if you can't yeah yeah exactly um so
i wrote a chrome extension to to bypass a whole bunch of their stuff as long as you had the chrome
extension which you know i didn't make publicly available and stuff, but made it available to the staff. So basically, I ended up doing some cool shit
to work around some limitations.
And some people caught wind of it at the airline
that was the parent company of this company.
And long story, a little shorter,
they ended up asking me to come join their
intelligence surveillance and reconnaissance
company called cart nav which does like isr everything but weapons so like we're not bombing
little kids anywhere or whatever it's like search and rescue it's um naval operations
things like wait you're the canadian government okay You guys don't do bombing. You just say sorry.
Yeah, we just sorry-bomb you everywhere.
So the coolest thing was working on the command and control and the operations system for the drones that surveilled the Qatar World Cup.
And I got to go to the UAE and hire the development team there.
I've been talking to Staker Klaas about it lately because he was just in Dubai and Abu Dhabi.
Anyway, that's how I ended up working in defense and ISR was because I just kind of wanted to be around place again
and went and picked up an evening shift doing dispatch.
And anyway, that's landed me here.
You know, another story, turn of events.
So that's the story behind that, how I ended up doing that.
It was kind of, just kind of came out of nowhere.
out of nowhere nowhere's near as fun as hanging out with you chads
let's go that is epic that is but it just shows you though doesn't it that if you put yourself
in front of opportunities that these things can can kind of come can come into your path man i've learned that
too many times that's why i like getting up and telling these stories because not to just like
pat my back or blow smoke up your ass but because i have had these you know i've told you this mickey
you know me and my buddies were on the tv show dragon's den it's like the canadian version of
shark tank and we got a quarter mil from them for just a stupid idea that came out of nowhere.
We were partying one night.
One of our buddies couldn't tie his shoes.
We made fun of him.
It turned into a clip.
Went on his shoe.
Next thing you know, we're on Dragon's Den.
It was just like, where did this come from?
Much similar to how I ended up working at Apple.
Same thing. Next thing you know, I'm in Montreal for three weeks. Next thing you know, I'm in
Cupertino, one infinite loop. Just some wild things. And I think in my younger dev years,
I don't think I recognized that they would be building blocks
to like this moment or this time, I guess.
And so this is why I say like in all of those years
and all those cool things, amongst many other stories,
this is still by far, by far, this time right now
is more exciting than from a from a potential standpoint
it's more exciting than when i went to apple for the first time and it and that was you know the
peak nerd moment you're like oh my god i'm here i've made it you're calling mom you're like look where i am oh my god and and lots of potential and really
cool but the the command of the room of the spaces of the people and the that volunteer
voluntarily show up every day together you know like a little family little fights
little friction a lot of laughs, good times, bad times.
People go through stuff.
We're there for each other.
You can't get that.
You can't buy that.
You can't recruit that.
You can't imagine.
You can't dream that up.
And this space has this ability to bubble up these beautiful moments of talent and excitement.
And that bleeds into the future.
You know, the world of women, we're saying, you know, like, what's coming?
And that's the foundation for the spark of creativity that will lead one person down a road they've never been down before,
which will lead to a product, which will lead to a moment, which will lead to a story being told 10 years from now of something similar, of I couldn't believe that I
could do this, and then I did. And that is so amplified by AI that I find, like, if you're not
excited about it, like, are you dead? It is just, it is incredible what's to come when you think about robotics,
when you think about, you know, advancements in,
even in just industries like, say, legal that put power back into people's hands,
or, you know, you have to be careful,
or, you know, just advancements in theories around stuff, or medicine,
or to not be excited about right now, it just makes no sense
to me. There's so much potential to build everything. And I've said this in spaces,
now is actually, I joked with my mom, all these years you've told me anything's possible and you
were lying to my face because right now is actually the time when
anything is possible is really possible more so than any other time in in the history of the world
it's absolutely mind-blowing to me when i look at people who are like yeah yeah i'm not sure about ai
have you tried it haven't even tried have you been to chat gpt nope i just want to grab them
and shake them. Wake up.
Anyway.
Sorry, Jack, you were rugging. We didn't hear any of that.
Are you kidding me?
Yes, I am.
I heard all that. I heard all that in clear.
You're good.
Oh, Brad's messing with me.
I get excited.
You know how I am about tech. I get excited.
Yeah. I love it. I love hearing the passion in about tech. I get excited. Yeah.
I love it.
I love hearing the passion in your voice.
Loved hearing the passion in women of Web3 as well.
Absolutely fantastic.
What a great space.
Want to thank Mickey.
Want to thank Bacon.
All the COC here today.
Everybody who showed up listening, who shared the space.
If you haven't shared the space, go share the space out now.
Let's give it some more listens give it some more plays um get it out in the views of the ears
of the people that need to be able to hear it so yeah much appreciation for having us on tonight
yeah thank you so much for coming on all of you you know it's been amazing to talk to you
drac and listen to you know your stories and what what you guys are building and
same with you brad appreciate everything that you do and have done and you two are honestly just an
unstoppable force doing incredible things and it's been awesome to have seen you guys for many
years and get to know you both and see you prosper in the way that you have and have that
family now bro let's go that's it there's no there's no getting rid
of us now that's it no no man we're family now dude my kids know you dude they know your they
know your voice right is that mickey he knows you're part of the fam let's go yeah thank you
no it's awesome because you know you it's awesome to hear the excitement in your voice for the tech
and what you can do with it.
And seeing what you're doing with Jokas is,
it still blows my mind.
Oh, I've been biting my tongue here the whole time to not go down that road.
You're more than welcome to dive into it a little bit if you wish
because, you know, we've been watching that, you know, you're more than welcome to dive into a little bit if you wish because
you know we've been watching that you know growing all the time and
um that's your call there's a lot i'll rant that's at least 30 minutes your call
yeah no i'm absolutely down i mean I don't know what you guys
time's like but yeah
oh god
Brad do I want to go down that road
why don't we get you on
next week
yeah
I reckon we can squeeze that in
absolutely
I might be in Manchester
at that time.
Oh man, I'd love to get over
to meet you guys. I've met so many people
from spaces.
A lot of the people I hang out with
daily on here, I can put
faces to them, handshakes to them.
Except for you guys.
Yeah, I can't wait for that day.
That's going to be awesome
yeah yeah definitely but just to finish off what i was saying earlier real quick
first of all we'll definitely get you back drac to talk all all things dracatus because i know
there is a lot and would easily fill a space and never get bored so we'll definitely set that up
um now i do want to say a massive thank you to you guys to um the world of women
team that have come in tonight and spoke to us about the past present and future we appreciate
that to everyone that's listening in you guys are awesome thank you for coming and listening for
sharing for commenting um you know for anyone that may have listened back to the recording as
well we appreciate you legends um it's been it's been an awesome conversation and it's great to see
you know good projects and people doing amazing things.
And,
you know,
to meet,
I've met some of the world,
the women team in London,
that was an awesome experience.
And,
you know,
for them doing things over in Miami simultaneously,
that was incredible as well.
Like so determined and hardworking.
I dragged you to London to come to this event.
You absolutely did,
but I made it. Yeah. No, I'm glad we went to that event you absolutely did but i made it yeah no i'm glad we
went to that event i really i had a really good time um i did i was not happy until i had spoken
to every single person in the room um and i think i managed to achieve that i think just about yeah
i had a great time yeah it was amazing there definitely needs to be more more events and i know it's at the moment
you know i don't imagine that events some may be profitable or at least able to sustain themselves
but i think they are definitely a huge highlight of this space when like what you were saying
then drac that you've you know you've met a lot of people in person and it and it is awesome to
to have that experience we're looking forward to uh to meeting you guys in
person as well for sure so you need to come over to the uk so we need to find a reason for you guys
to travel over here oh there's got to be an xch london coming up 2026 we got a plan
maybe guy that's the one that's the one you'll you'll you'll know that day comes when
i call you on my tag phone oh let's go xh london xh london was an absolute banger i had a blast
an absolute blast at that place so many great amazing people massive brain guys like um some
absolute legends in the space the absolute legends in the space but yeah it's
great yeah it's really good it's really important to get to these events it's important to
uh so crypto often gets um people get the narrative wrong or early on they got the
narrative wrong that you know it was about some people confused sovereignty with anonymity, right? And then that
came with, you can do whatever you want. And, and, hey, this, you know, we don't need trust
because we got the computers, man. We got the ledger, man. We don't got to trust each other.
And this space as a creator, if you're just a financial trader, sure, come in, trust nobody, get out.
Sure, get in and out.
But as a creator, that rule does not apply because you have to build trust.
And these in-person meetings, if you want to build a business and a brand, you hope to someday brick and mortar or expand or have that beautiful day where you're exiting on your
brand at a hefty eight figure sellout.
It absolutely is almost first and foremost about trust.
And so those events, and I don't mean necessarily you got to dox yourself to the nines but if you do plan on affecting change and and and building legacy and and
leaving the campground better than you found it you've got to spend time there and that and the
trust that that we that's some of the industry believes doesn't need to be there it's you gotta
you gotta spend a lot of time working on it. It's one of the most important things. Shaking hands, putting faces to it.
These are the things that cement the footings that we find here.
Going to those events is the next step, solidifying familiarity between people.
So just like failure is really nothing more than a lesson, and if you don't fail over and over, you don't break your code over and over, you're never going to learn all of it.
Right. And and and it's all preparation for when your moment comes.
Did you do all of those failures?
So your moment that has arrived now, you recognize it because you're ready.
It's the same thing with people. If you ever expect to be in a boardroom talking about brand deals and, you know, 10-year strategies, it's going to require that you do so in front of or whatever. And again, take some of this with some gray.
A little bit of that, you know, you get my point.
But it's important to do those events.
I'm probably, it's one of the top five things I'm most grateful for
in my crypto career is getting the chance to,
and taking the time to go to those events.
And I think more people need to
do it and i don't like the hiding behind a pfp i get why some people do it and i'm pro the choice
to do it i just don't think it's conducive to what should come after the hype of the industry, you know?
Excellent.
No, no, I totally agree with that.
I mean, we will wrap up in a moment, but, you know,
I totally agree with that, you know, just because things are being built in a manner that is trustless,
it doesn't mean there has to be less trust.
You know, you've got to build trust.
It's paramount.
Yeah, absolutely.
Whilst making it safer at the same time,
I think that should be the point
it's like that's like a society becoming healthier and going yeah well we'll get rid of hospitals
because we we intend on being healthy you know it just doesn't make sense it's kind of like
yeah you know you you make it less you know less requirement of trust whilst building those
trusting relationships as well so you're spot on there i think but we are we are going to
have to call it a night we have surpassed our two hour mark but it has been amazing to catch up with
you brad and you drac and the world of women team we'll definitely have to get you back soon because
by the sounds of it there's a few things you couldn't quite touch on yet so hopefully soon
once you guys have done what you are working towards doing you can come back and tell us all
about it that'd be awesome and drac we will definitely get you back asap to talk all things
dracatus because i'm super excited about that brain buddy bring a spare brain because i'm
gonna blow one of them you'll blow both of them a hundred percent and there's quite a few things
that you know a few people don't quite understand certain elements
of it and want to learn more and are super keen to learn more so i think that that would be a
really good space that so i'm looking forward to that sounds good brother thanks for having me man
it's an absolute honor you know that so i appreciate that brother but uh yeah we'll
we'll go around the room uh real quick and get some closing remarks and then we will call it a
night for tonight we will be back same time tomorrow 9 p.m uk time it's a community walking
tomorrow so if anyone wants to come back and jump on the stage usually we have two formats we have
the featured spaces like tonight where we have two guests and we give the floor to those guests to
to really dive into what they're doing or touch on certain
things and then we have community walk-ins as well where we can have more people come and talk
about things and we can have a more open mic conversation as well so that we can stay connected
get to know each other and also talk about what we are building to a room full of people hopefully
so yeah that being said we will go on there and get some closer remarks a huge
thank you to everyone that showed up tonight and thank you for letting us touch on our book a
little bit as well which we're so glad that all the creative element is finished we're just working
on the things on the back end to put the physical in the hands of people and also to um work on the
digital side which we'll be tapping in with you as well drac and brad as soon as we can
lock in a time that suits both sides and again truly grateful as well for for the assistance
on that i'm looking forward to it but uh yeah for anyone that doesn't know the nft book and
physical book is our little piece of blockchain history because we want to showcase collaboration
over competition where we've created a book of multiple stories.
Every different page is a different story.
And the long and short of it is that your NFT character can play a role in a story that we tell.
So that each different project would have purchased a page and we create a story around your character.
If it has a backstory, we of course tap into that
but some projects are just pfps and then we can kind of create a story around it based off of
something that might matter to you and then we can kind of hopefully assist in helping bringing
those characters to life and showcase that there is a one project with many people collaborated in it that can all point at one
thing that uplifts everybody to showcase different elements of collaboration because there's enough
room in this space for everyone we want to see more people connect and collaborate and work
together and we want this industry to still be here a hundred years from now and the way that
that happens is through collaboration over competition and that
excludes healthy competition of course so yeah we're super excited about that um you can check
out our website community of communities dot xyz if anyone wants to be featured on our spaces then
you can check out our website for that as well or you can just type community communities dot xyz
forward slash x spaces which you'll have access to a short form we've got just where you
can put in your information and book your slot on as well so yeah and it's completely free we do
this for the love of the industry we want to connect with people we want to listen to what
people are building and we want to create opportunities for people to connect with one
another as well so this is of course educational content we hope to inspire people to want to learn
more if they like what they're here and also provide enough time for people to be able to ask questions as well.
So that being said, thank you for letting me say all of that.
I'll go around the room now and get some closing remarks
and then we'll let everyone go to bed
and hopefully you guys and girls enjoy the rest of your weekend.
So I'll start with you, Bacon.
Sir, do you have any closing remarks, brother?
Other than I think next week, i think me and rev will be
broadcasting live from rev's living room uh so looking forward to that
jealous let's go i know right let's go i'm just making a journey up there i'm gonna stay up there
for a couple of days and then so my christmas plans are i'm gonna go to lincoln's go see my
mom for christmas day
and then my sister's half an hour away from there so we're gonna do that we both gonna do that on
boxing day then i'm gonna go all out to manchester go see this idiot um spent a couple days with him
in this slot and in the chaos of his house and then uh i want to come back towards london but
i haven't quite decided what i'm going to do with that last little bit yet. All I know is I want to get back in time for
karaoke down at the pub on
New Year's Eve.
So, yeah.
Let's go. Sounds like an epic
venture. I look forward to that.
Yeah, I look forward to it. It's fun.
Alright, I'll see you guys in a bit. Love you all.
Let's go. Nice one, Baccham.
Yeah, Jack, have you got any closing remarks, my friend?
Yeah, three quick things. One, I don't think we could ever get together for Christmas, because between Birkin. Yeah, Jack, have you got any closing remarks, my friend? Yeah, three quick things.
One, I don't think we could ever get together for Christmas
because between the two of us, we'd have eight kids.
That would be insane.
So there's one.
Two, I heard a quote somebody said the other day in a space.
It's something I've lived by,
and it's the first time I've heard somebody say it in a long while.
Entrepreneurs live every day of their life like most people won't, so theyurs live every day of their life like most people won't.
They can live the rest of their life like most people can't.
Remember that.
Live by it.
It's a golden rule.
It's taken me a lot of places.
Other than that, the only other thing I want to say is a lot of people think,
you might think, you know, I don't have this skill or I don't have this talent or whatever.
I just want to remind people that if you do the math, probability says if you put in 10x the work over everyone else, things will happen.
So just in abundance, put yourself out there, press hard.
AI levels the playing field like I've never seen before.
levels the playing field like i've never seen before you have every opportunity to backfill
your knowledge and simply put in the time and and and good things will come so those are my only
three three things thanks for having us right let's go that's awesome well said thank you for
for sharing that that is a that is a phenomenal quote i i do love i do love a good quote that
gets you uh gets your head in the
right place to do to do the undoable so yeah no thank you for that drop that's awesome well said
i'll be uh i'll be uh definitely applying that to the um the arsenal of quotes so thank you very much
but yeah eight kids oh wow dangerous we also have brad in the building brad once again thank you sir for joining us you are
an absolute ultra legend as you know and it was awesome to hear the little one as well
being very lively we've got baby brad in the building as well so do you two have any closing
remarks uh big thank you out to you big thank you out to uh world of women um in the words of drag doing things every day join
us tomorrow for another episode of margaret ava's tldr where they do the reading so
appreciate you guys love you guys uh thank you guys so much for having it in in the late great
words of my friend who passed Nate.
Never above you, never below you, always beside you.
You guys are perfect exactly the way you are.
Keep doing what you're doing.
Let's go.
Thank you, Brad.
Let's go.
Yeah, absolutely love those spaces.
They are epic.
And I think it's brilliant.
If anyone hasn't checked out those spaces, check them out.
And so tomorrow is 365. tomorrow is 354 of 365 days of spaces in 2025.
i now i i don't know how you do it honestly um i see it on my feed every single day and i'm like these guys just don't quit like unbelievable absolutely through a couple surgeries childbirth birthdays holidays in between yeah
353 or 354 tomorrow yeah yeah you realize it was uh jack was saying you only have to go 10x, not 100x.
But if you guys have got that in a tank, then. Never mind our 222-hour space that we ran inside of September.
Yeah, I was going to mention that, the TTT.
Yeah, that was a long haul.
Yeah, so it's 365 days of two to three hours minimum plus 222.
We put a lot of time in this year absolutely that's epic i hope that the uh the the year space is going to be a celebration i definitely look forward
to coming to that i'm still recovering from when mark and eva told me to pieces as well oh that
was an absolutely epic epic roast i i was about it the other day with my wife.
Yeah, even this, this is the third time
we've extended our world record from 168 hours
to 207 hours to 222 hours.
And I still have the world record
for longest single recorded space, 58 hours.
Thank you very much.
You guys can attempt that next year.
I think you're going to argue, Gooey is going to argue that I'm not sure what
the, what the, no, no, no. GUI has the longest solo space ever done,
which was 92 hours. Mine is the longest recorded room.
Gotcha. Gotcha. Recorded continuous room 68, 68 and a half hours.
recorded continuous room 68 68 and a half hours insane absolutely insane but also equally epic
but uh but as for the as for the roast i was crying laughing so hard my wife was laughing
she's like who are these people i think i like them listen when i come back for drac ask me about the harass app huh are a s isn't roast as a service remind me to
tell you about it we built it in the 222 space the prototype it's cool it's funny
anyway yeah absolutely I will be writing that bad boy down to remember to ask
that for definite that is awesome but another but that was brilliant but no
well done on absolutely smashing every goal set every task you know just and the amount that you guys do
on public spaces as well so that other people can learn ask questions collaborate it's just
been phenomenal absolutely smashed 2025 so super hype for 2026 and uh also i did notice a few
people did request i was trying to get people on
the stage but i don't know what was happening sometimes um x does bug out but like i said we
are back same time tomorrow so if you do want to come and join us and talk to us we would love to
speak to you and uh so yeah i think wise what you was one of them so sorry i couldn't get you on the
stage but we are alive again tomorrow so i do appreciate everyone you might just need a co-host
you might just need a co-host to be able to bring that.
Sorry to jump in, but it could be a problem.
Yeah, no, no, that's all right.
Yeah, that could be it because, I mean,
Bacon was co-host before.
It just wasn't me.
There was two people trying to get on stage,
and I did accept it, but he wasn't letting it up.
I was not quite sure what happened there.
But, yeah, World of Women.
I know that V and Sweet Pea had to dip
because I know that they're always doing so many things at once
and I believe they were both travelling as well.
So I don't know if anyone's behind the account
wants to say any closing remarks.
You're more than welcome to.
And if not, we will wrap it up.
Not a problem at all.
Well, thank you very much, everyone.
We appreciate you, Legends.
We'll be back same time tomorrow. It been amazing well done on all the achievements and for keeping the morale
high and the vibes up and for learning growing failing succeeding and everything in between so
that being said good night everybody see you legends tomorrow thank you for tuning in and
let's go and a quote that i heard this week that i made a video about because
it was just awesome was your next move is more important than your last mistake
and we'll end it on there so thank you everyone and good night let's go .
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