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🚨WEB3 EXPOSED 🌶️🎙️
Recorded: April 8, 2025 Duration: 2:52:12Space Recording
Short Summary
In a lively discussion, crypto enthusiasts explored the current market dynamics, emphasizing the importance of community engagement, strategic investment, and the potential for growth in the crypto space. Participants shared insights on navigating market volatility, the significance of informed decision-making, and the need for collaboration among projects to foster innovation and success.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. mic check mic check something serious is going on right now i am not happy about it
like comment repost the room tag will below because this motherfucker
knows what time it is this week tag this motherfucker below tag your best friend
tag anybody that has been there for you especially in the hard times. Welcome to the show.
You know, before I got into Web3, you know what was interesting?
Hmm.
I'll tell you guys in a fucking second. This is what I am. I'm going to go. Not in India, most critically acclaimed, Melissa, prize winner, best storyteller, thug man, ringer, my fast waiter, moderator, big red to a lot of you haters, commentators, ringside rock, watching my paper, almost a decade, quite impressive, most of the fesses in the
S's, but this rasket, that I stand for, expanded more to the big screen, build gay dreams,
but it seems you have to see me in jail with state dreams, work me off the same fast, but
good things last, like in favor of they'll be still naked, so mean gas
First rap, I'm gonna bring my platinum black back to the project
But you still wanna hate? Be my guest
I suggest
You can hate me now
You can hate me now
You can't stop, but I won't stop now
You can't stop, but I can't stop now. I won't stop now. I can't stop now.
Now.
Do it now.
I won't stop now.
I won't stop now.
You won't stop now.
Do it now.
Do it now.
Do it now.
Coach, do it now.
Who is the Jeff Bezos of Web3?
I've heard...
I've heard it all.
I want to know...
Who is the Jeff Bezos of Web3?
Huh? Huh?
Huh?
We heard who the Tim Cook was.
Remember that?
That was D-Gods.
Who is the Jeff Bezos of Web 3?
Hmm.
Oh. of what three I come from the ghetto so my truck is in my hood. She wouldn't wear no panties around me even if she could.
Gave out plenty spankers, dude.
They got it, nothing to stood.
Fuck the nose, please, baby.
Cuts it on this wood.
If you know it's teaching, don't come around me like it's good.
I got tree smarts and you can't get this out of no book.
I can't write my wrongs, but I can still write these hooks.
All time to get an exposed game. Bam from around here, nigga I'm trying to get exposed, yeah.
Bad from out here, nigga, come get off your show.
Savage, say you pussy and he hit it on the nose.
But that water's open while you acting like it's closed.
I don't know.
I be going in and out recessions the same way that I be going in and out of traces.
Or in and out of sessions.
Or in and out of best friends.
Or in and out of these courtrooms.
My lawyer like objection. Yeah. Whoa, whoa.
I might be Spanish, Bodhi, but.
Put her on my navy diamonds, can't record a reefer.
She from overseas, I had to buy her a new visa.
Met your wife in Vegas, but I hid her in a visa.
She a supermodel, so she only eating Caesar.
Used to date a rapper, but he acted like a diva. Niggas hustling backwards out here, balling with the real. Y'all should stop doing drugs.
Maybe you'll stop dropping bullshit.
This is a song request from Williams.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. dropping bullshit. This is a song request from William. Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I haven't heard this song in a minute. I wonder what's going through
William's mind today. He texted me earlier.
Anyway, song request.
All right, Will.
Song request.
Listen.
Listen up.
Listen up.
If you're just tuning in, like, comment, repost, tag a friend,
tag your best friend, tag an op, whoever the fuck.
Tag them.
They need this shit.
We're giving away money.
It's your fucking lucky day.
You want some Solana?
Drop a soul address.
Maybe you're on your favorite EVM chain, ape chain, abstract, whatever.
Drop an EVM address.
Let's get this cracking.
It's going down.
Happy Tuesday.
Welcome to Web 3 Exposed, the number one show on Twitter spaces.
Don't argue with me.
Argue with your mom.
I don't make the fucking rules.
I don't.
I don't.
I don't make the fucking rules.
Hold on.
There's another one. He wanted this song too.
What is William getting at with the songs?
Tell you feel, Will?
Little weekend vibes?
William is a straight edge.
He does no drugs.
And he requested these songs this morning.
What time was it when he texted me this shit today?
This was at 12.
This was at 9.17 a.m. his time.
FYI.
Let's go! That's how you feel, Will! Williams said all these other bullshit ass spaces motherfuckers be so lame.
That's what Will said. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey!
We're right here to remind you where the fuck we are!
Come on, where we are!
Wow!
Wow!
Wow!
Fuck, fuck!
Wow!
Wow!
Wow!
Wow!
Wow!
Wow!
Wow!
Wow!
That's right!
Listen!
Listen!
Listen!
Listen!
Listen!
Listen!
Listen!
This is the time! In nine 12 months shit maybe 15 i hope
not i'm gonna be probably have great hairs if that happens but you're gonna be so fucking mad
if you look back at this time right now where bitcoin is trading easily under 100K. ETH is under 2K.
Solana's under 140.
You're going to be sick.
I'm talking about just disgustingly,
probably need some mental health fucking professional to help you
because you are going to be so mad you are dick fucking riding
and dicking around and then fucking around with the wrong people
pons had a perfect post today i'm gonna pin this to the top it was like uh the worst thing you can
do right now is base any investments off of this timeline and it's funny because we used to make a
joke about this in like 2022 2021 um are like now it's like more like, now it's like more adamant. Now it's like people are for real,
like, oh, let me put this to the top. People are dead ass, like taking what they see in the TL,
liquidating. I'm talking about like, like wildlife, like real like bread. Like I'm not
talking about the little $78 you have in three different ledgers. I'm talking about they're making conscientious decisions on their fucking investments
because they heard little old Bobby in a Twitter space funding something or shilling something.
Like, shit like that.
Shit like that.
That is dangerous.
You should actually get the fuck off the app and put the money somewhere.
Put this shit in the savings.
You get 0.3% a year, you're better off
there. 100%.
Oh, I got a treat for you guys actually I almost forgot about this.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Shout out to that boy Tooney.
Tooney cooking up a tune for us right quick.
This is a little snippet.
I'm all back for the dime stack.
We're the payback.
We're taking you. We're taking you. Give me the will. Give me the will. Give me the promise. I'm sacked with a payback! Hey, I just said it's a fucking snippet, alright?
It's not fucking done yet.
Give me a few.
Give me a few.
Shout out to the boy, too.
Let's go! We active! We active! He's a clown, he's a clown, he's a clown, so we should know, that we know, we can see
a dance, pedic's a demon, I'm alone, alone, alone, and grifting, shifting, up and low,
I'm switching, wristbands, keep them out of the dumb, it's very routine, the bad is just
enough to switch and wristbands, keep them out of the dumb, and these scriptures move Spot him off top!
Spot him off top!
That's a fucking bar!
Spot him off top!
Profits, why are you right about this?
I don't know!
I don't want to be right!
It's not that fucking hard either!
Just use a little common sense!
Come on!
Not that hard.
Welcome to the show. Happy Tuesday, April 9th. What is it?
April 8th, 2025. 2025.
Oh, yeah. It's a fucking great day.
Man, it was like, ugh.
It's been a fucking, it's been a day.
I've been busy as fuck.
Been super busy.
Busy's good, right?
Busy's good.
We're cooking.
Really, it's because all the cool shit, you know, all the cool shit you want to do as a human,
you really got to lock the fuck in.
You got to lock in.
You got to, you know, got to map shit out. And that's, that's, that takes time. It's easy to be like, oh, I'm bored. Motherfucker gotta you know gotta map shit out and that's that's uh
that takes time it's easy to be like oh i'm bored motherfucker you ain't got shit going on what do
you mean you're bored credit score a fucking 479 and you're bored no way no fucking way no fucking
way anyway welcome to the show we're gonna jump right into it. There has been more tariff discussions.
I'll let the pros talk about that. Funniest thing I saw today about that was Apple sending
fucking thousands of iPhones on a fucking airplane because they were trying to avoid
they were trying to avoid, you know, whatever the fuck top, they were trying to avoid, um, uh, you know, whatever
the fuck's going on with China and then, you know, whatever. So they flew five planes, uh, full of
iPhones to avoid U.S. terrorists. And then there's like an article there below as well. That's just
fucking hilarious. Like, it sounds like that plane was hot, hot, hot plane right there. That's crazy.
What else?
What else?
What else?
What else?
Oh, there's been, man, I've been having some sick-ass calls, man.
And it's funny because originally when the show started years ago,
some know the story.
It was a joke.
Web3 exposed the title was a joke.
I was just trying to pop something off.
And it really stems from me being really aggravated about little bullshit rugs like i think one of the first ones was this fucking rug that
was god damn it why can't i remember the damn name i remember the damn stupid logo um they were
minting for like two eath or an eath was trading at like $3,500 at the time or like 3k or something
uh and then the the benefit was like, uh, a yacht,
you know, when you come to Miami and an armazil party and all the things, and just didn't even
make any sense. Anyway, point is, um, these, these also, these convos and these discussions
and these questions, and sometimes even alpha comes from this. Cause there's like things that
we don't know about, right? Like, fuck, we caught caught suey price-wise like what 30 cents in this space like over a year ago or something
like that I don't know but longer than that tons of shit tons then more there's more than there's
fucking chain link a whole bunch of shit even even though chain link is chain link but I'm just
saying like there's just tons of shit that's like that's how it happens but anyway I've been having
some calls it's been going great but what I'm what I'm getting at is there's always there's just tons of shit that's like that's how it happens but anyway i've been having some calls it's been going great but what i'm what i'm getting at is there's always there's always
something happening the calls lately have have been around like new things coming out right
people are trying to pitch me their product or show me what they got or whatever it is right
it's cool i like it it's giving me good vibes it's not like weird over shilly bullshit like when
the bull market is full on and you got bitcoin trading at all-time highs and memes, blah, blah, blah.
It's not like shit like that.
It's not like fabricated shit.
Like I remember over a year ago, everybody was like, yeah, I'm going to launch a game with my meme coin.
And this is going to be the next big thing.
And I'm like, cool, bet.
All right.
And then the next thing was like when the mob holes came
out and then everybody was like let's have a mascot or goggles or some shit to go along with
whatever i get it you know we're trying to trying to fit in the point is um the calls lately have
been for for better or worse um it sounds like some i think some people are are finally especially
they've been here for a while, got, figured it
out. And I think there's going to be a new, shit's already happening, but like a rollout of fire
products from, from a lot of older people that we may have seen or heard of, or not just them,
but they're connected now with people that could like help bring their vision to life. Right.
And I'm bullish on that
i'm fucking beyond bullish on that there's nothing better than seeing a familiar face that you knew
there's not many of them unfortunately that you knew have always been decent and now they're like
locked in with a with a cool brand or company or organization or or whatever it is right and so
that's that's where like people like oh how the fuck do you do this every day? I got shit to fucking say because this motherfucker is telling me shit all day every day.
So this is me reacting, responding, also being curious about stuff, right?
Very much so a big, big curiosity, Maxine.
Curiosity will change your fucking life.
It will change your life financially.
It will change your fucking life. It will, it will change your life financially. It will change your
life. At 19 years old, I was curious about another way of making money online, excuse me, making
money aside from going to work because I was tired of going to work. I was tired of, you know,
quote unquote, selling weed in the dorm room, right? I was tired of like, just finding these other avenues that were killing me to make money. And so my curious
high brain reads a meme, right? Back then it wasn't a meme. It was just a fucking,
it was like a flyer. Now they're memes. But back then it was, it basically said,
would you spend $40 on your future,
or do you want to spend $40 on another bag of weed?
And I'm like, I just spent my last $40 on a bag of weed.
So this guy has a fucking good point right here, okay?
This is 19 years old, 2011.
And I swear to God, the rest is fucking history, man,
because I was curious enough to go find a video about whatever the fuck he was talking about
to then figure out whatever the fuck he was talking about to then figure out
whatever the fuck that shit was and i made it fucking work and then boom fast forward 12
fucking years here we fucking are and and this is not to this is my point is obviously a whole
bunch of shit is happening between 12 fucking years but like dude it's literally a stem of, like, interest.
And unfortunately, you know, as humans, especially when we, like, kind of live by other people.
And sometimes we don't even realize, right?
Our parents, our peers, our best friend, our spouse even, which is kind of sucky.
Like, ah, don't do that.
It's not a good idea.
And then they kill it.
You're like, all right, fuck it. You're right. No, don't do that. You have a whole bunch of. And then they kill it. You're like, all right, fuck it.
You're right.
No, don't do that.
You have a whole bunch of that.
Fuck that.
Fuck that.
I don't know why I'm even inclined to share this today, but I hope it's for somebody here.
I hope one person is picking this up because this is literally the fucking time.
2025. What a time to be alive god is so good you are alive
in the craziest most innovative time i think ever until another time comes but this is it
right here this is it this is it all This is it. All right.
I'm done being Eric Tomix.
Welcome to the show.
I'm so glad to see your face, William.
Oh, my gosh.
What happened?
Your mic just died.
Did it?
Did it die? No, you're good now.
You're good now.
It was like, it was really bad.
No, I was going to say, nice to see your face.
I'm sick of that mute.
But anyway, how you doing, Will?
Welcome to the show.
I never sold my mute, by the way.
We know, motherfucker.
I never show and say that, but it's still there.
Yeah.
I don't really plan on selling something that's down 80%, 90%, something like that.
I was going to go and hold it
you know we're gonna hold it to zero that's what we're gonna do um yeah so i don't know i i was i
was having a bit of a fun day today i was i was running around the space looking at all the people
panicking and all the people cheering because the bounce now all the people panicking again
i had some people people casting me out,
telling me I'm deceiving people on the timeline.
You know, the normal stuff, you know,
normal bottoming signal type stuff.
And I always find it interesting.
As far as markets go, you know,
again, I think, honestly,
like there's a lot of people speculating
China, you know, can hold a candle to the US.
I find it kind of funny. Can they withstand you know, can hold a candle to the U.S.
I find it kind of funny.
Can they withstand the U.S. better than the other country?
For sure.
We're almost eight trillion, you know, more liquidity than China as far as our overall GDP, which is pretty crazy if you think about it.
And, you know, a lot of people continue to say, oh, well, China is such a big.
They have numbers.
That's it.
They don't pay their people well.
Look, I'm not going to get into all that I feel like that kind of gets into some territory
that can get a little touchy with some people but um I you know there's a lot of differences
between our two countries in a lot of different ways culturally I think they're great people
um as far as the country but you know overall I think uh I think they need to do some things
over there right they need to they need to equal some things over there, right. They need to,
they need to equalize the budget.
I did go over one of the things that Trump said, um,
which I found interesting. I mean, I get it at face value,
what he's trying to do, but you know, a little bit of, you know,
you can't just throw wild numbers around and not kind of tell where you're
getting that number from. Right. Cause I looked and I looked it up. I was like, okay, where is're getting that number from, right?
Because I looked and I looked it up.
I was like, okay, where is he getting this $1 trillion deficit
between the US and China?
And for those who don't know what a deficit is,
it's basically saying that our trade difference is almost a trillion, right?
It means that we export significantly less than we import from them, right?
That's what a trade deficit is.
One country is allowing more imports and the other country is not allowing as many imports.
So then you get what they call a trade deficit. What that means is like one country is benefiting
more from the trade than the other country is. And so what the U.S. is trying to establish with
China, at least from what I can see, at least I think this is what the thought process is.
We're trying to establish a trade deal with them that's along the lines of an equalized trade deal.
So we import $300 billion.
We want you to import $300 billion.
I think that when I looked at the deficit, so Trump said $1 trillion.
I looked at the deficit.
It's a difference of $250 to $300 billion. It So Trump said 1 trillion. I looked at the deficit. It's a difference of 250 to 300 billion.
It's not 1 trillion. So I thought that was kind of interesting.
I did try to, I wasn't really trying to justify his numbers, but I was like, just trying to come up with like, why, why would you say 1 trillion is 300 billion, 250 billion?
And then the one conclusion that I kind of came to with that whole conversation, and this lead into markets by the way that's why i'm discussing this part but the one thing i
came up with with that whole discussion or at least my thought process was maybe he was accounting
for maybe currency manipulation which everybody in the world's aware that china manipulates currency
um not the not the people of the country obviously people running the country um and it it really makes you wonder
if there really is a true manipulation of currency in the yuan at least in china i can tell you the
cracks will start to reveal themselves sooner than later um through this trade war that they're
currently inactive in right they're they're trying to they they want they want to remain
chest out in front of the world stage they don't want to pretend like they're bowing to the u.s or any of so but i
think there's ways around um bowing or kneeling to the u.s that are they're still comparable to
both countries to come to a consensus right or a draw for instance and i think it really just
comes down to cleaning up the difference in
in the trade war and i think like if they if they come to the table and they're like all right we're
willing to import as much as we export to your country and you know that satisfies the difference
then you know in that scenario i think it would it would help um it would help kind of heal this
situation that everybody in the world is enduring with with tariffs at the moment um
now how how was that how how will that affect markets and why are we discussing this we're
discussing this because they're about the rate and this is why i think apple flew in all their
cell phones it's because they're about i'm not laughing at the tariff i'm just laughing at apple
their reaction i think it's fucking hilarious that a trillion dollar company is reacting like this with such panic.
But I do think that as far as China goes, like they're about to raise, I think, another 50 percent on their tariffs.
They missed the window.
Apparently, Beijing did.
And I think ideally, I don't think this is going to be something that's just a threat.
I think he's really going to do this, even if it's for a week or a day or two days or
three days.
What will that do to markets?
It'll likely keep them a little shaky, right?
Keep them a little bumpy.
But you got to understand that that's all it is.
I can't express this anymore to people that, you know, the vol from high to low, pretty
much on SPX and many other assets has kind of occurred.
I mean, we could probably still see another 20, 30% drawdown, but I feel like you're gambling
here, you know, with trying to assume you're going to get certain prices met. And that's why I'm
taking it on a level by level basis from here, because we're already at such a huge drawdown as
it is. And so I'm just bidding the levels as we get to certain levels of liquidity with different assets and different things as far as stock market goes.
I still see upside for gold.
I still see upside for crypto.
I still see upside for SPX and stuff.
I just think that right now we're just in what we'll call a volatile range.
And it can go a little deeper.
Let's be real.
Let's be real. I mean i i quoted it this morning i think i put like 1200 to 1300 is where i could see if it really bottoms out
um you know bitcoin i mean we can get down to that 70k range maybe maybe scrape the 68 69 right and
what i mean by scrape is like just wick into that range. You know, when you're looking at SPX,
I'm sure you could dip down a little further,
you know, 4,800, maybe hit like 45,
something like that if you really want to.
I mean, maybe I'm wrong.
Maybe it's 4K, right?
But I think that in the same aspect,
you got to understand that turbulence can turn into non-turbulence really quick
because there's a difference between inflation
and created taxation, right? And I stated this this morning into non-turbulence really quick because there's a difference between inflation and
created taxation, right? And I stated this this morning and I told people on the timeline, I was
like, look, I was like, you have to understand tariffs specifically are taxation, right? There
are tax that is put on other countries that can, and that is then relayed back to whoever is producing,
and that producer then passes it on typically,
not always, by the way, not always,
typically passes it on to the consumer.
And so it's a tax that can be put on and removed at any time.
Inflation is a result of supply and demand.
And now you may be like, well, tariffs can affect supply and
demand. Yes, they can 100%, but they are not direct supply and demand. Direct supply and
demand is what causes inflation and deflation, right? Tariffs also create more deflationary
environments. They create less inflationary and more deflationary environments because they slow
spending. So he's essentially slowing down the economy even more,
putting the brakes on the stock market,
putting the brakes on everything.
And it's going to cause a slow in spending.
And a lot of people think it will lead to a recession.
I think everybody calling for a recession is just jumping the gun, right?
The market and everything else is not indicating any type of real recession.
There's been no indication of that. Just like there's been no leads from the White House or
anybody else that were in a recession. I know it's tough times, right? I know things are still
kind of pricey because of the taxes, but that's because of the taxes that are applied through
tariffs. All it's going to take is him to remove the tariffs and the prices go right back down immediately.
Like, I don't think people understand that. Like, it's the tariffs or the taxation or the inflation and price only stays on while tariffs stay on.
Once tariffs and tariffs can get removed at any point.
I think anybody looking at this like these tariffs are going to be long term.
tariffs are going to be long term? I don't think so. Because long term tariffs are not sustainable.
I don't think so, because long term tariffs are not sustainable.
Just like if you look at it from the Fed's perspective, when the Fed raises rates,
the Fed doesn't keep rates high for a long period of time. They keep them high until
numbers reach a certain amount. And then they start to lower those rates because you can't
sustain a heavy burden on the consumer by increasing you know the the difficulty to borrow money
which is essentially what is created when you increase rates right you create a difficulty for
the poor middle class to borrow money and that's essentially how a lot of people end up going into
wealth or creating wealth is they usually borrow money for a business or they borrow money and they
you know put it in the stock market and flip it or whatever, but lots of different ways that they do it. But lots of people can make money through
borrowing money, but without that opportunity to borrow money, it's harder for a lot of people to
be able to create businesses and so on and so forth. I'm just kind of explaining the economy
like one-on-one, right? So I think that, you know, while we're in these tough times,
what people should be ideally doing is setting up a list, creating a list, and then taking that list, setting it to the side and understanding, okay, this is the list that I want to be looking at and I want to be watching.
And if I get a really big discount on this play, I want to buy this, right?
I think I can end up with generational wealth by buying this collapsed, you know, company
that will likely not be collapsed.
It just collapses due to the current situation or ends up with a big drop in the stock or
anything else.
Because any real negative news on a specific stock or crypto can really drive downside.
And I think that you need that negative news, though, specifically towards that company
to create that downside.
Right now, markets are still fairly stable.
I know there's these headlines of $7 trillion, $11 trillion erased in the stock market.
Where do you think that money went?
It's likely sitting sideline, waiting to reenter or went into bonds.
It's not erased.
I always find it weird the way that they word things, typically to fear people from wanting to, you know, invest in times when it's most beneficial to invest.
So with all that being said, again, I think that, you know, opportunity wise, you're getting a lot of opportunity in these markets.
I do. I'm really, really bullish on Sui. Look, we get lower prices. I'm happy with it.
I'm okay with it.
Like, if we get lower prices, I have money.
Everybody, like, I feel like people that say I don't have money, you're lying.
Like, you're just flat out lying.
Everybody works, right?
And if you don't work, and you're a recipe.
Motherfucker, you think these motherfuckers work?
These motherfuckers are hundreds on drugs.
They will.
Will, everybody not working, Will. Everybody don't got that you think these motherfuckers work these motherfuckers are home they will will everybody not working will everybody don't got that bag will all right if you don't work then get a job all right that's what i'll tell you i know you don't want to hear that but that's just
get a job and that that's the best way you're going to do it you know find a way to hustle
hustle up your dollars to be able to invest i think that's the smartest way people can do um as far as uh spx goes like i said like we could dip down a little further i'm not too
bothered by it you know i'm thinking like 4 700 4600 is the safe zone uh i do think that that
you know consolidation we have below there will hold that uh bitcoin we've been kind of dipping
into this low here i mean we could scoop into and I've talked about it many times, 70K.
Maybe we scraped 68, something like that.
But I think if you go deeper than 60, now you're looking at possibly a market reversal.
Now you can kind of be like, oh, it's over, right?
We're cooked.
But I think you need these structure breaks to be able to confirm that.
I know a lot of people are like, well, I wanted to sell the top.
Or nobody knows the top until a structure break occurs then you know the top
that's the only time you'll know the top um outside of that man like i i think everything's
been pretty solid i mean suey's sitting up here like i don't know a hundred dollars maybe we get
back up till tomorrow maybe a little higher uh for solana i mean um solana
is definitely an interesting one uh bmb that's a pretty interesting one too this cycle has been
very interesting because bmb basically top near all-time high when i say topped i mean currently
we are seeing a lot of resistance in that range, right? It doesn't mean it's top-topped.
It just means that that range is seeing a lot of resistance.
Solana did the same thing.
ETH did the same thing.
The only thing that broke above basically was Bitcoin.
It becomes the only thing that broke above its all-time high
and is still sustaining above its all-time high.
Everything else pretty much rejected at its all-time high.
So, again, I can't say it enough.
I don't think the cycle's cooked.
Maybe we're at a mid cycle, something like that.
But I do think that as far as tariffs go,
they're just going to continue to make things a little bit more rocky.
You know, if you want to sit sideline, you know, more power to you.
But, you know, I'm going to continue to look at levels
and just, you know, work those levels all the way down until we find an area of reversal. If Bitcoin ends up collapsing and
creating a breaking market structure, I will state that publicly. I mean, maybe I missed the top,
shit happens. If that's the case, I'll state when I think it's broken and I'll be like, well,
we're probably looking at another 100% or more drop, 50% more drop,
whatever. At that point, I'll probably exit if I see a situation like that that I can trade on.
That's just a trader mentality. That's not saying that I'm going to fully exit all my positions
because I do think that we're getting better and better opportunity on a lot of these things.
I mean, PLTR is under 100. There's tons of really good deals right now uh i think even nike is getting
pretty interesting too so that's something else i'll pay attention that's it that's more of a
dividend play for those wondering um if you're interested in dividends but yeah that's my
thoughts overall on the market i think people are just panicking for no reason welcome to web 3 expos if you're just tuning in the fun is about to start all you have to do is
like common repost drop your solana address your favorite evm and some money is on the way to your wallet if you're lucky enough
so all you have to do is engage so thank you for tuning in jonah i know you're a busy bee
so i'm gonna go straight to you because i have a question about the shrapnel thing uh first of all
did you see that did you check that out don't laugh at me i genuinely want to hear your take
on it the mute button should be working
i was laughing because i reverberated i heard myself get fucking blocked and i was like wow
i sound like a moron yeah what's going on did you uh see this so basically let me try to find
this tweet but basically the founder has been taking funds in September of last year and accumulated to about $670K.
And then there was some issues. Did you see that?
I mean, I know the whole issue. I didn't look at if there's anything new.
Oh, okay.
Well, no, the tweet came out yesterday and it went kind of viral. I was talking about it, but then you had left, and I was like, oh, I'll talk about another team.
Well, it's just, you know, he's dumping his own supply.
But, like, a lot of teams do.
That's not bad.
That's why I wanted your take.
It's not necessarily bad.
Can you just give me the abridged?
Say again?
Can you give me the abridged?
Because I may know about it, and I'm just missing.
Basically, the founder, it just came out.
I mean, I guess it was somebody was researching on Shane, but it just came out. I mean, I guess it was something people were researching on Shane,
but it just came out that he took 670K since then.
If you give me two minutes, I'll find a tweet to specifically pin to the top.
So you could go into it.
But I guess what's your take on Shrapnel overall?
Are they doing well at the moment?
No, they're not doing well.
But, you know, it's one of those cases where you have a good game idea
and your game design is actually not bad,
but your estimations on cost are insane.
Your salaries are insane.
You know, you're building a tech startup in Seattle,
which is already insane.
Why is that?
Taxes.
Cost of living.
Yeah, cost of living, cost of staff. There's a lot of factors to why probably-
Insurance too.
Yeah. There's local laws that are probably not business favorable because it's very left-leaning.
There's a lot of factors. It's a shame.
I don't think they survive, but if they do, good on them.
It would be nice to see them survive.
It's just the great filter.
It's just what it is.
Fair enough.
Yeah, I pinned it to the top.
You could dissect it in there.
It makes me feel better.
I've played really good Web3 games that aren't out yet, so that's good.
Thank God. No, no, I think I was, I was like, my ears, you know, tipped up because I remember there was like a shrapnel era.
Like everybody was at a month.
Yeah, they were even one of our clients.
But like, it was, but it was when they were with us, it was a different, it was a different structure.
That was before the co-founders were suing each other you know they like that's how it all spiraled out is
uh there was some spat between people who were on the board and the co-founders and it was like
corporate drama and it slowed down production and a whole bunch of nasty stuff that is all public
you know they have court you know stuff i maybe was handled in arbitration so maybe it's private
but uh yeah that was the beginning of the end really um and i and i was there before that so
it had a lot of promise and it really did have an amazing team. There was a lot of very talented developers.
I think the other problem is that a lot of founders come to this conclusion when they lose.
And it's hard to think about.
Most of the time when you're getting funds for a game or an entertainment product,
the VCs who are writing checks are thinking in like the present but to make a game and do it
the VCs who are writing checks are thinking in the present.
successfully you have to think about what a game would look like in four years so when they raised
extraction shooters were just starting escape from tarkov you know was doing well but you know it
didn't even hit its peak yet and rust was doing well and so when you're in you know not the most
educated gaming investor,
you're thinking, okay, Extraction Shooter,
that's going to be the biggest thing over the next five years.
And then all of a sudden something like Repo
or something like Schedule 1 comes out,
and you're like, okay, I guess the meta now,
four years later, is simulator games.
And so when you're making a big game that's a lot of money
and not an indie title, you have to think think you have to take a guess and build something that someone for you
four years from now will appreciate not someone today because you're not going to have a product
today and that's that's really hard to do great points thanks for that joan i appreciate it yeah
i figured some stuff has changed it's pretty pretty obvious. Very obvious. Well, I was going to ask you this while you're doing the market update. I said this in our group chat earlier, but I feel like last cycle, 2021, I remember, or I guess getting into it, I remember there was like this whole talk of like everybody thinks that all your favorite you know top 100 coins go to all-time
highs when bitcoin does and um i think i think there's something to be learned here where um
i guess what i'm asking is do why is solana gonna if if it doesn't why wouldn't it go back to all
time highs the way everything does else does and i'm not trying to throw straights at solana i mean i have a bag i'm saying like what are determining factors for coins like that to not go back to all-time highs the way everything else does. And I'm not trying to throw straights at Solana. I mean, I have a bag.
I'm saying, like, what are determining factors for coins like that
to not go back to all-time highs during, like, cycles?
Or is it something called, like, it's not their cycle, per se?
I mean, I think some chains do lose relevance to a degree, right?
I just, I think there are scenarios where people speculate that
oh because eth ran in 2021 it doesn't have to run the cycle or because this ran then or that ran it
doesn't have to run that cycle and a lot of people get kind of caught up into that i man i i'd say
this too many times but i like to just kiss, right? Like, keep it simple, stupid.
I try not to overthink it. Keep it simple, silly.
Well, you got to understand when you're being stupid, right?
And when you're overthinking, you're being stupid.
And you just got to stay away from stupidity.
So you got to try not to overthink things to a degree in this space.
I mean, look at how you guys were just talking about shrapnel.
I mean, that was probably arguably one of the best looking games in the space.
One of them, right?
I don't know about playability.
I never played the game, but I thought it looked pretty good from a shooter standpoint.
And I think that, you know, the guy extracting 600 something thousand probably saw the writing
on the wall, right? As Jonah indicated, you know, where he was located thousand probably saw the writing on the wall right as jonah
indicated you know the where he was located and everything was probably not feasible they knew it
wasn't feasible and they they took the money and ran they're just like hey this is all this is all
i'm to get out of this i might as well milk this thing until because we're not we're not going to
make it very much longer on the funds that we have or you know the market's you know not looking to
you know people are in this space like a lot of people come into this space they build and then they flake out there's a lot of people
that do that um and i i try to acknowledge the companies that don't like solana could have just
flaked out they could have uh ethereum could have flaked out i i think suey could have easily flaked
out they they they've ran a decent amount of money. And I mean, they were running on par with Solana
for a little bit through the cycle.
A lot of people never even noticed that
as far as TPS and everything else
and transactions, all that stuff.
And I think like,
I think overthinking things,
like even B&B, right?
I was like, there's no shot.
And this is what I was thinking in 2021.
I'm like, there's no shot B&B ran this many thinking in 2021 like there's no shot b&b ran
this many x's and isn't going to completely collapse in the bear market and it didn't collapse
in the bear market it just kind of held the range slowly drew down like every other coin and then
came right back to all-time high and a lot of things are having a hard time get breaking out
of the dollar i mean b&b is another one? None of these were able to break their all time high, at least not yet. And I think that as time
goes and the space grows, those things are able to, you know, eventually be able to meet that peak.
We just, we haven't, I would say arguably to a a degree we haven't had the same um interest to get your money
you know burned like we did in 2021 i know a lot of people try and point back to stimulus and like
oh it's because of the stimulus how many people you think put their stimulus in crypto like i i
don't understand that that perspective i i think you know there were so there were some insinuations
people were bored.
Probably some people put their money in crypto.
I think a lot of people probably went out and bought shoes and did dumb stuff with their money and didn't put it in crypto.
So I think to a degree, you know, like some of the money came into this space. But I think there was real interest.
A lot of VCs got burned in 21.
They're not willing to get burned twice.
They're probably rethinking their strategy.
Ideally, probably want to reenter the space, but want to do it in a way that's not going to get burned twice. They're probably rethinking their strategy. Ideally, probably want to reenter the space,
but want to do it in a way that's not going to get them burned again.
And so this cycle has just been a little slow.
It's been a little sluggish.
And I did kind of think that this was how this was going to play out,
this cycle, that it was going to be a little slower than previous cycle
because of how hard last cycle ran.
And our real cycle would be the next cycle, you know,
that 10- year cycle play.
So I don't know.
I think a lot of this will end up surpassing all time high by the end of the
cycle. I do. I think that we'll see that hype come back in.
We'll see a lot of stupidity when it does break out and we'll see a lot of
reasons why it's going to keep going up.
And then you get that overextension and then that reversal and then you go back and do a bear. It is what it is at the
end of the day. People love to be bearish at bearish times, which ideally you should be the
opposite in every one of those situations. You should be bearish when things are overly bullish.
You should be bullish when things are overly bearish. And I think things are overly bearish.
So I'm bullish. I'm looking for places to take positions.
I'm looking for things.
I'm making a list of things I want to invest in.
And I'm setting up.
I'm setting up my watch list.
Other people are telling people
how the economy is going to collapse
and China is going to take over the world.
Korea is going to become the new world power,
even though they're like one 100th of most other country i'm just i made that part of but the the point being
is is that everybody keeps on making up this bullshit like it it bothers me to a degree
like this is why i kind of stepped back the other week and i kind of took some breathing room because
like people just make shit up in this space they literally will
make anything up to get your attention it's it's it's high school 2.0 it's like why can't we just
be professional and talk like real people and discuss real things and stop trying to get
attention by getting people very feared when times are fearful and very hyped when things are, you know,
times are good.
You got to keep people grounded.
And I think not enough people think about that in this space.
So again,
I think like all we're going to get from here,
at least until Bitcoin gets back above a hundred K is more fear mongering.
And that's,
that's just my thought process.
And then we'll see where things go from there.
Love that.
Thank you for that.
So maybe I don't sell the soul.
Maybe I keep the rest of it.
We have one six here,
and I don't think I've had you and him on the stage at the same time
because you decided to go on fucking vacation last week.
But I want one six to jump.
I'm sorry, putting you on the spot,
brother. But please jump into any alpha on Sui, high level, high tech, you know, that you like
for Will, because I wanted to hear. I need to get us on a call, to be honest, because I'm not going
to be able to regurgitate everything you've shared with me. But I know Will will pick up
up what you put down. So welcome one. Thank you for being here. It was good.
what you put down. So welcome, one. Thank you for being here. It was good.
What's going on guys? Well, nice to meet you. Bread profits, everybody else. Uh, yeah. So
I guess you could say I'm kind of a sweet maxi, right? I got a bear PFP, right? Uh,
that's just, I take my profits from bear and send it to Suey. I'll just be completely frank with you.
Um, but I mean, I don't know exactly what profits wants me to Suey. I'll just be completely frank with you. But I mean,
I don't know exactly what profits wants me to talk about.
There's a couple of things,
right?
But really I'm super bullish right now on Ica.
I don't know what,
if anybody's really understood that yet,
basically it's going to be a backbone infrastructure play.
You build your things on top of it to work multi-chain cross
chain uh things like that right um but right now they got an nft out it's basically a i understand
it as a pre-sale ico airdrop right um every nft comes with a basic airdrop and then you put your
sui into it that kind of constitutes your pre-sale slash ico part and then when it's
released 20 will be released on day one so there's your ico right because most of the time with an
you don't get all funds released instantly um and it will translate into their token the nfts will
translate to something else as well i can't really say much on that, to be quite frank. But there is other things involved.
And like I said, that's basically just backbone infrastructure,
being able to move everywhere, anywhere you want, right?
Like they've got a multitude of products, projects, companies working with them.
They've already done testnet.
People have already built on them.
So it's not like they're waiting for launch day or TGE to be like okay we're going to start building our product the product's already built right
um they actually say that if sui wasn't built they would actually need to build their own
blockchain because they tried to do it on near um they actually got a grant on near but they
weren't able to build it so they had to give that grant back and then finally they figured out that they could do it on sui um but yeah that's basically ica right
one thing i am super bullish on right now is lotus finance uh lotus finance and full sale
honestly like uh one lotus finance is basically market making uh but there's a token called deep
which is the liquidity layer on sui
where when we're going to be moving cross-chain if i want to send you bitcoin
i'll say it'll be deep in the back end that gets sent and then transformed into bitcoin when it
hits your wallet basically from how i understand it simplements terms but lotus Finance what they have is they have pools or crates or volts
that you can open up basically right and then it's used then to market make and
Lotus I'd say is pretty backed by a lot of the the bigger people within sui
really yeah I don't know I could I could go on. No, no, that's the start.
I'll start pinning stuff too.
I like the Lotus Finance stuff.
Me, again, very, you know,
I think I fell in love with,
I don't think I know.
I fell in love with crypto
because of Ethereum at $50 in 2016.
But I think the vibe I'm getting from Sui is like early ETH vibes, early Solana.
Things are being built. The foundation is tripling down on investing in builders and
the right things. I don't know. I could be way off. I could be way off. That's the vibe I get.
What is Sui's all-time high price? Like $4?
I think it was like $5 or something and that and that was hit for the first time what this this last year and
a half right yeah yep hmm so that's interesting to see if we hit another if we pass that all-time
high though that would be fucking interesting i don't know there's there's one thing that many
people overlook to be honest with suey, right? So like the total coin.
It's not infinite supply.
One, it's not infinite, but two, it's only 10 billion, right?
But people think it's 10 billion.
When you actually break it completely down, all the validators and by the time all the tokens are unlocked,
there'll only be 2.86 billion in circulating supply.
The rest is going to be locked away or used somewhere else.
So that's only 25% is going to be locked away or used somewhere else so
that's only 25 is going to be out right it's funny you mention that because that's the first thing i noticed with suvi immediately i always i always look for supplies to buy on a lot i look to see
okay do they have a limited supply did it because a lot of people don't understand like limited
supply really does bring value to a chain it It really does. Because it means that no matter what Sui does,
Sui has to work with what they have.
They have to work with what they have.
And they have no other way around it.
Eventually, you know, 10, 20 years,
they might have to buy back it.
And those things are things that will happen
if they continue to grow and progress.
And I think that that's a really important part
of the network specifically, let alone their affiliation to Meta and Facebook.
That's something else a lot of people don't know, too, that they have affiliation with them directly.
And that was because they were the original creators of the Libra token.
And I believe it was them and was it Aptos?
I think it was Aptos.
Yeah, Aptos and Sui are basically a split off of the libra
team so those are two things that made me really bullish on them because you got to think for them
to work with meta specifically they have to have really good web 2 connections even though that
they went off and did their own thing and it's almost guaranteed like if you have a connection
with there's like a top five top ten companies that you want a good connection with meta is one of those right google is one of those
uh nvidia is one of those so like when you look at it from the perspective of these different
companies publicly traded companies you have a connection with one of the top companies out there
at least for working with them directly and so so you, of all people, probably have the most likeliness
of being able to directly connect with that company
versus everybody else in this space
because you have worked with them before.
And so for me, it's a bit of speculation.
I understand that,
but it's the best use case,
best speculation I could see in this entire space
against any other chain out there.
So yeah, I think like what you said, Profits, it gives me early ETH vibes, speculation i could see in this entire space against any other chain out there so yeah i think
like what you said profits it gives me early e5s early early solana vibes if we end up in another
bear market so he goes to like 10 20 cents i will be scoopy i will be scoopy as much as i can
i mean we know we're going to there but that's just when we're going there
uh all right i'll digress for a second let us process
that information any suey maxis whatever pull up um don't pull up if you're disgusting ugly ass art
that's just minting bullshit on that chain i doubt it i haven't seen any of that yet but it's gonna
come if it hasn't already that's a good sign though it's a good sign rising to me honestly
is that there's not many like shit projects there right
now honestly and like to will's point as far as like the facebook thing uh that is like a plus
right but like to me like there's people on the team that have worked for apple there's people
on the team that have worked with the governments right so like they've actually shipped irl products
before it's not the matter of like just the connections they've actually done this stuff
before right so like if i'm going to put my money behind it like sure eth is great but vitalix never handed out or helped build out
over a billion phones before and sent them out right um and vice versa with verizon or something
like that just recently um verizon at&t yeah there was actually a project that just signed with AT&T for mobile cellular service, right?
So, like, basically you put these little tiny boxes in your house and it puts off a cell signal for these devices now.
And you get paid for it.
That was actually just signed today or yesterday morning, the contract.
Sorry to do this in advance, ladies and gentlemen gentlemen this might not be a good take but
sometimes it is what's up nico how you doing buddy how you doing no you know what it is i uh
i was listening to will and he told you to stay away from stupid and i go and i request
and you immediately and like you don't listen to will at all from the way it seems to me
uh man uh anyway uh to be honest with you the whole thing uh i actually was gonna ask what's the inflation rate on solana i don't even know what it is but i you see it now with a lot of
things like i i think ethereum's gonna struggle if it ever gets up to 4K again. Like I told you last year, I don't think it's going to hit an all-time high.
The problem is that everybody expects their token.
Like, all right, it didn't do this.
It hit a crazy number this cycle.
It's going to do it again.
Like it's like Bitcoin or something.
But if anybody hasn't noticed bitcoin has had diminishing
returns as well from like all-time high to all-time high like we went from 69 all last with compounding
i'm sorry i said all assets do it's it's compounding price yeah but that that's that's what i'm trying
to explain here like uh people shouldn't't really expect new all-time highs,
especially if they have a crazy inflation rate.
But Sui, I was actually going to ask,
because I don't know much about Sui.
I'll be honest with you.
I don't have a take on it.
I do know it's good.
There is a lot of good things,
but I don't really have too many takes on it at all.
Niko, have you ever bought anything on suey or nothing like to be completely honest
so i live i live in new york and in new york it's uh we can't necessarily buy suey so i actually
forgot how to how i'm going to be able to bridge suey and do all that like i know that there's a
way i just it it's kind of annoying man you know like one thing i like about solana is all they
gotta do is just send it to one address i don't got a bridge i don't gotta do this i don't gotta wait a half an hour after the bridge
sometimes like sometimes i'm waiting for my shit to come in and i'm like is it coming you know like
everybody's talking about the future of finance but they're more expensive than banks and shit
sometimes so yeah that's what i was gonna say honestly because like the only like everybody i bought sui just to
buy sui right i wasn't into the ecosystem at all i didn't have any wallets i would just buy sui and
hold it right and then some of my friends basically got deeper into it so then they're like dude just
download a wallet and send yourself some sui um that's what made me super bullish honestly was
the speed like it sounds cliche and like uh i guess obsolete in a sense
because that's what everybody wants is speed but like it it sends faster than the prompt comes up
on the phone right you could literally send it from coinbase to a wallet and before you click
okay it's in your new wallet uh but that's literally once that happened i i went to soul
eth sold everything and just full ported into Sui, to be completely honest.
Yeah, I took a pretty significant swing on Sui also, pretty low price.
I think I got in at 50 cents and 70 cents were kind of my buy ranges.
And I came in with like real size on those plays.
And I was telling people too, I was like, man, I was like, buy this thing.
I'm like, it's going to run.
And I didn't buy Sui to get into anything on the chain either. I just I bought so we just have suey.
And then we got introduced in the profits.
I think it was scallop is what we got introduced into.
And I'm kind of playing with that a little bit, a little bit of yield.
So I've been playing with that.
And that's that's something else I'm kind of liking.
And I think like when you look at it from the perspective of just loaning out money,
a lot of those are good residuals, let alone the price action.
I think it's going to be really good.
It's again, just limited supply to me is mind boggling, right?
Like it's not something you see typically with these chains and something that they'll do.
And I think what it makes me think in my head is that they have a structured plan for the chain.
If they're if they're limited in supply is that they have a structured plan for the chain if they're limited in supply.
And if they have a structured plan, then they're actually a good company more than likely.
Do you know why B&B did what the multiples it did?
What it did?
Huh?
Why they did what?
Why it did the multiples it did.
Oh, the multiples it did oh the multiples it did?
yeah I know why
does CZ reign it up?
no well
it actually happened after PancakeSwap
ended up going live
and they created like liquidity pools
and all that shit
it went a little crazy when that happened
and then that actually caused the supply shock.
Yeah.
All right.
So you probably did buy it up and like put it in the things.
But at the same time, you actually had like a ton of fucking liquidity get locked up.
Yeah, there was a lot of fun on BNB.
I feel like 2021 people really loved BNB just like they loved Ethereum.
And I still think there like they loved Ethereum.
And I still think there's value in Ethereum. Don't get me
wrong. I hold Ethereum as kind of
like a secondary or
silver gold store of value. It sounds
cliche a little bit, but
I do like to play on the chain from
time to time, but I do enjoy
suing much more. I do like Solana too.
I think Solana is a good measurement of
market activity. I think that's what it's good for. I'm shocked Solana too. I think Solana is a good measurement of market activity.
I think that's what it's good for. I'm shocked at how well Bitcoin is holding,
but let me tell you something. The moment China says they're betting Bitcoin, buy as much as you
want because that just means that they don't want their cash deposits to leave the country
and people are going to be using Bitcoin
to get it out of the country.
So, yeah.
Yeah, if that occurs.
If that occurs.
China's going to continue to do what they do
as far as market manipulation and stuff like that
but through their currency specifically.
But we'll see.
We'll see. I think they make it difficult from time to time for their people to get into Bitcoin.
I think they make it difficult from time to time
for their people to get into Bitcoin.
Yeah, well, like the whole ETH thing, like I loved ETH because of the DeFi, right? DeFi summer.
That's what made a lot of people money, not the shit coins on ETH or the NFTs.
People don't understand DeFi, right?
Like, that's what I like about Sui now.
Bear is better with Dey just because we all
know bear is just one massive ponzi right that's their purpose eventually i think the bubble will
burst but when who knows but with sui like the defy is consistent right to me at least i mean
they got they have the usdt usdc pairs and you're making 49 apy find me a bank or anywhere else
where you can just put your your stable in and just let
it sit there, right? Not even treasuries. It's unfortunate. Nothing will keep up with
that pace. And they have steady flow. I was actually surprised. Their on-chain activity
was comparable to Solana for like a solid six weeks what's the
what's the apr i thought i heard 40 something percent yeah it was it was 49.8 last time i checked
yeah that's because they're trying to get money over their tvl right and how long do you have to keep a lot you can do it for two hours or you can do it for a whole year right yeah but it's not state it's
not normal state a lot of the stuff on sui it's not actual staked where you it's locked for a
certain amount of time it's i consider it more so lending than state because you can get it out
whenever you want but this is like the craziest ponzi in the world like in two three years from
now you're looking at like something like a Luna happening.
Potentially, yeah.
I mean, I think he's just talking about from the upside perspective there, one.
I don't think he's talking about the gold.
But yeah, it's interesting because you can create a supply squeeze with something that has a finite supply.
You can't create a supply squeeze with something that's infinitely supplied.
And that's what a lot of people tend to forget.
So it's much easier for them to create that squeeze and then that squeeze can cause price impact
that can be very significant on the coin.
Did you see Michael Saylor bought $35 billion
of Bitcoin today?
No, I mean, I'm just wondering
when his clock will tick out. But but we gotta see how low that's
gonna go before that happens i i it's for him it's like an infinite twop right he just he buys
at a certain price buys at a certain price buys at a certain price and then his his price is so
far behind him his loans don't even matter anymore he could sell off like five bitcoin so he's actually average for like 10 years he's averaged for uh at 67 000 now because he's been he's been buying kind of high
and the problem is that the last two of the last two stock offerings he did he did preferred stock
at 8 and 10%
dividends or interest rates,
whatever.
that's a little wild.
And I think that's where he got the money for this.
Well, obviously, that's where he got the money for this last
$35 billion. That's a lot of money, bro.
$35 billion
shot all in one shot? That's a lot
of fucking money.
Sounds like he's
pretty scared of the tariffs.
That's what it sounds like to me that or he just understands the cycles in my mind right like most of these loans and shit don't have
to be paid off for four or five years so that's a whole nother cycle right you can't you can't
talk cycles with people it blows their mind they think things don't move in cycles when you tell
them cycles there's so many people i tell them, like, look at the cycle.
And cycles line up with presidential elections.
They line up with so many different things.
Like, it only makes sense because of the way it lines up.
And I think so many people just don't understand the concept.
I pinned it up to the top.
It was Arkham.
That's a pretty good, that's a really good,
that's what Zach XPT uses for on-chain analysis to like follow money.
What's up, Moss? Long time.
How you been?
What's up, Profits? I'm good, I'm good. Just out here on the farm pulling some plants that grew out too early.
I just had a take on uh on suey so like going back
to y'all's kiss uh keep it uh super simple um like what what is the what is y'all's like bull
case because i was actually going to come on here and like kind of defend solana shit on suey but
really like i don't i don't hate suey i just I don't see the major difference in bull case.
Sui versus Solana.
To me, Sui is just a more centralized Solana.
Someone argued Solana is pretty centralized too, but Sui even more so.
Wait, real quick.
That's a great question, by the way.
Thank you for coming.
What do you mean by that, by more centralized?
Yeah, like the validators.
They just don't have as many validators as Solana.
Gotcha.
Whoever wants to chime in on his question, Will,
I think he was directing it at you.
I think the language is easier for Move language.
Also, higher security for Sui.
So it's going to attract better better we'll just say better products
higher security higher security in what way they're they're back i mean security wise they're
backed by a company called zion which is one of the world's largest uh digital security management
firms and it's the only blockchain backed by an actual irl security firm right now
so one six you might know the answer to this
question. How much downtime does Sui have?
I haven't seen any since I've
been on it. So that's actually very
important, is the downtime with Solana.
That's not a fair question, though, because
they haven't seen as much GPS or
transactions. I was going to say
the same thing, Mas. I was going to say the same thing.
Yeah, you do have to see
a similar type ramp-up, but I will say
this. There was a good
solid six months where
basically Sui was doing
similar volume
to Solana and was still keeping up
just fine with no hiccups. I don't know what
was causing the ramp-up, but there
was a big influx for almost a solid six
months.
Would you compare it to the Trump and Melania type of transactions that Solana was seeing?
I don't know if I'd compare it to that.
It was kind of during the MeanCoin hype cycle, but not the Trump and Melania.
Not that far, and I understand that stress.
Yeah, because that's what recently, and it didn't even shut Solana down.
It just got really congested, which is almost the same thing because you can't you can basically not use a chain um but yeah if sui
can handle that and solana couldn't i would that's obviously bullish for for sui to be honest like
sui as a whole like they're not geared they're not geared for dgens to be quite quite frank with
you like they don't even want dgens there if you want me to be quite frank with you. They don't even want DGENs there, if you want me to be completely honest with you. They're strictly
building for infrastructure in
corporations and countries and things
like that.
I'm just being upfront. They don't
need the DGEN to make what they're
trying to do possible, to be honest.
Not just that, too.
I don't know if you were here towards the beginning, too, Mas.
They also have pretty good
connections to Web2.
They have employees, you know, not only from Meta,
but also Apple and a few other ones.
Like, not janitors, people that actually work there.
Yeah, so what does that exactly mean too, though?
Because, like, I feel like a lot of people in Web 3
that brought their skill set over
could say they have connections in Web 2.
Like, Toby from Solana worked at Qualcomm.
They created the Libra token
for Facebook that Facebook was going to
launch. They were part of that
team originally.
They actually worked directly with Meta
specifically, and it was
them and Aptos.
It's a
split team that split
off into two different tokens.
Sui seems to be the more
easy flow
I would say
chain out of the two.
The difference is too,
what I would tell you Moss too to look into
this because the difference between
move and rust is
pretty decent too, I would would say i would say move
is the easier language um and it's the harder to crack language of a rust and that's that's the
difference between the two chains specifically so that's something else you can look into uh if
you're interested in looking but yeah i mean like i don't think that you're seeing a degen move to
that chain i i don't know if you'll actually see that type of move over there.
Well, if they get fucking coins like Bonk or Whiff or fucking any of these fucking shit coins,
and, you know, you'd see multiple Xs over there.
I don't see why people wouldn't move.
Like, dude, people literally move to BNB or Say or fucking Tron just to catch a couple multiple Xs.
or fucking Tron
just to catch a couple multiple
Xs. So I think if they ever see
coins like that move over there,
I don't see why DJs
wouldn't.
They do have some DJs
coins. I definitely dabbled in
on that side of things too. So they do have some
over there. There's not a lot of interest
for on-chain degeneracy
over there, if that makes sense.
Yeah, no, that makes sense because I feel like BNB even had a whole,
not a marketing campaign, but they were like,
hey, come over here and buy a, you know, like a win, what's the name?
The head guy from BNB was saying, like,
I'm going to give you guys my dog's name so you guys can make a coin.
Like, they started to push for that.
And yeah, probably Sui's not going to do something like that.
Yeah, yeah, they're not pushing for any type of mean coin liquidity they haven't insinuated on their timeline any type of mean coins they're just sticking
strictly to projects they're offering uh liquidity flow they're offering grants they're offering lots
of things for projects to move over there and build on their chain and they are trying to be a premier
gaming chain i don't even know what that means anymore with this space but that's something else
they're shooting for yeah dude they all they all fucking shit themselves and then we never hear
from them again like how y'all were talking about shrapnel earlier i mean it depends right because
i mean they're coming out with their sui handheld they have um that i saw that's activision behind it they have um i forgot the name of it i can't i forget yeah
steam but i'm talking about uh rockstar behind them and they also got the creators that's official
yes yes yes and final fantasy creators as well that are working with them and all these all these
partners are going to have games that would be launching on the sui play as well right it's like a switch yeah it's a switch but more comfortable is it
just going to be a web 2 device then because i don't think rock started integrating crypto anytime
soon unless that's just just because they don't say it doesn't mean that they're not right
um it's web3 based right so right now there's 10 000 of them we just crossed the 9 000 mark
so once the 10 000 like
it's already produced and uh and basically sitting waiting to be shipped they're just waiting for that
10 000 mark to ship out and we've already been told that basically this coming fall ish is where
we should see a public push to actually see these devices like invest by and stuff like that i i
looked into it a while ago i'm pretty sure it was a mix of Web 2, Web 3 gaming. And, you know, just depending on how the platform wanted to apply
and how it wanted to work out.
I'm sure what you'll likely see is the Solana play,
which is, you know, probably if you bought these devices,
you get X amount of Suvi or you maybe get some kind of NFT or whatever.
There's always some kind of incentivization to be a first mover.
Wait, wait, where are these devices right now you have to order
you have to get on a wait list at this
point I'm sorry Nico
but where are they
go on
no no no where are the physical devices
oh so
probably in San Francisco at their headquarters
I don't know the exact location of where they are
I hope they're not in like overseas then the tariffs are like, you know, that's going to fuck things up.
They'll just pull an Apple and throw their 10,000 devices on a plane and fly them over.
I hope Tully does that with the new Solana phone coming up.
Oh, I wonder what he's going to do.
You laugh, but I just got something in the mail, and I have a 25% tariff. So I'm not fucking laughing, but that happened today.
What?
Yeah, yeah.
I got 25% tariff on some product I got in the US.
I digress.
We shall see what happens.
Wait, wait, wait.
But when did you order the product?
Two weeks ago.
I thought I was on time.
Tell them. Tell them!
Tell them!
They fucked you.
Oh yeah, they're fucking me good here.
God bless Canada.
Hold on.
Did Canada
send you like a
no-y?
I got an extra room for you and the
hubby. We can't have this shit.
Wait, I want to go back to the suey play.
Yeah, go back to suey play.
No, well, look, interesting, Will, because last week we had some key suey people here.
So I think we should make this like a regular, maybe not a weekly, but something.
As far as I understood too,
I think compared to the Solanophone,
the Sui play,
it seems like they're going to be airdropping people
a ton of, I don't know if it's going to be Sui
or some of the memes,
but there's a lot of hype going on
behind the so-called Sui play.
And people are already anticipating,
I mean, look, we all know what happened
with Blast and whatnot, but people are already like the money you spent on the sui play you may get
back like two times um with all the stuff you're supposed to be getting so we'll see
i've already ordered three of them right um from how comfortable i am and know how much
is going to be coming in like and there's on the box themselves
has play right everybody knows what the play token is um so that we can assume that they'll
be partnered with them as well i i posted when those first came out by the way like the the
second the devices were out i posted on them and everybody ignored it. I swear. I don't think I had any response.
But at that
time, you could have ordered as many as you wanted
and they didn't have a problem with it.
And now you have the whitelist.
Well, no, there's no
wait list. It's like a wait list.
It's not a whitelist. Anybody can go on
and buy it right now. You can use Sol,
USD, I think
ETH and SUi and Bitcoin.
I think all of those options.
It's just waiting, right?
Because it's the matter of whenever it comes out.
That's mainly what it is.
So you're just like backlogged behind everybody else?
Yeah, basically you're just pre-ordering it.
That's all it is right now.
Is it still the same price?
Yeah, it's still $599. And you pre-ordering it that's all it is right now and so yeah still 599 and you pre-order it it basically
you create um it creates your own account right so like it'll be through an email so it's kind of
like a zk link login um so it's not going to actually be tied to the wall that you buy it
from it'll be tied to the wall that you give the email address to so if you do do it remember that
create a new and i create a new email and just tied it to that. Right.
Nice.
Yeah. Imagine, imagine, and I say, imagine,
but let's just say, imagine, you know, somehow it gets integrated into Facebook.
And just get a little
integration going on there.
That'd be pretty interesting.
I think what Facebook wasn't
essentially trying to do originally,
they could do now with Sui.
I think that the whole Facebook thing was
I think they stopped doing that because of
legalities and all the laws and loopholes
and bullshit, honestly. That's just my take and I can I
I'm gonna interject on this one. I think it's because they expected the euro to collapse if Facebook would have actually made Libra
Seriously. No. No, I'm not even like you're laughing. No, I'm serious because
Like first of all, you're the one of the big things with Europe was they needed to make a stablecoin because Tether was taking up way too much.
And it actually was strengthening the dollar in some way.
So, like, if Facebook offered a fucking stablecoin with over a billion users, forget it.
Like, it would have caused a lot of instability.
Capo, I'm sorry about making you wait.
Actually, not really that sorry, but welcome to the stage.
Thanks for being here.
Yeah, thanks.
I appreciate it.
I was just coming up because I saw my boy Silver fucking pioneering
the sui chain by himself, so I wanted to back him up a little bit.
But, yeah, good show you guys are having
yeah just listening and if I have any takes just something yeah capital what
do you what do you like about sui
oh quite a lot for me as a trader is just very efficient like there's great
tools being built that I haven't seen on solana before like i came
from sol to sui uh so uh there's great builders uh there's a lot of yeah actually blue chip projects
that are being faded um that are fucking free right now i'm giving you permission show me just
one show me just one all right hold on capo let me
just say no no i'm gonna gatekeep it don't show it i'm just gonna say it dude so like so like he
was saying like there's things that rp built on soul like there's there's a trading bot that was
built that wanted to be built for soul but soul foundation wouldn't allow this person to build it
there because it does it does too well right and right now it's basically available on sui uh and you can just get it right you just have to hold a
specific token pumpkin token um uh and you're able to use this bot you don't have to stake the token
sorry bud i meant to bring this up last week but i forgot to that's why um but it's it's a market
make it bot right you can do leverage with this bot everything
and it's built by uh by by gets by bits uh top 0.4 market maker um so it's like not built by
somebody small right and he's got public public everything um and like you said people are just
uh fading it because they just don't understand what's sitting right in front of them right like
example i when i first started i put 250 sui just in the bot just to test it right
uh it's basically been running for about a month and a half i got a little over 1500 sui sitting
that one wallet and i basically just changed modes here there or changed certain coins it
was trading and things like that so it's something that's not ever given to the public for cheap
yeah well there's a difference between like there's not ever given to the public for cheap. Yeah, well, there's a difference between, like, there's multiple tools, right?
Like, the one Silver just mentioned is Spot, Spot Market Making.
There's also another product on Sui, that's Lotus Finance.
They do Spot Market Making as well, Grid Trading, which is very efficient.
They have, like like super high apr
uh right now i think they're still in close beta but they should go live pretty soon
no they're open right now with their vaults they just opened their vaults the last two days
yesterday was their first vault opening in the morning uh and each vault could only hold 25 000 and filled up within i
think 15 minutes there was uh 100 volts filled up at 25 000 and then six hours later they open up
the volts for 50 000 volts i don't know if they filled those or what's going on yet i haven't
looked at that today the good thing is it's easy it's very accessible for average people to you
know they can actually go and make trades that, you know,
like the average shitcoiner that just, you know,
buys into a meme coin shot or whatnot wouldn't maybe come to the idea of
starting trading that way.
But it's very, it's very much detox for,
for the crypto ecosystem because it's just good products that are built that
give you high return on investment
um very reliable and uh yeah like the guy uh that built pumpkin bot like that's different
from lotus finance he has a spot market making.
So basically you do grid trading,
but you do it on perps and then you could adjust all the settings.
You could place your own grids.
You could run different strategies,
which obviously he used himself
for market making on Bybit.
I think he made a quarter billion in volume on Bybit.
So, yeah, I mean, that's a very technical topic,
but I posted it once on my profile.
I think it's still a pinned one.
That's how basically the market making bot from that guy runs.
Sorry for hijacking the stage, profits no you're good don't worry
brother you're good good information appreciate that you're more than welcome here anytime
much love um i think we just suey peeled moss love that love that he's not quite in the background
swapping all his solana for suey i'm kidding you don't have to swap soul
for suey you could just buy suey but um no yeah i need a i need one of those jobs will was talking
about earlier you know that would that would be helpful anybody got one of those out there
oh fuck frankie's back you busy frankie
little fucking dog his little i look at it like this if uh if you're telling me you're out of
money you need a job all right if you're not telling me you're out of money then i don't
care what you're doing all right but if you're telling me you're out of money, then I don't care what you're doing. All right. But if you're telling me you're out of money, you need a job.
This is how it works.
Guys, also a job can be tons of things.
You could be delivering Amazon, delivering pizza.
Man, last time I used, I worked for a traditional job, I guess,
was making $8.50 an hour in 2011.
And then a little speed bump hit a couple years later.
And I was like, I'm going to go try this thing again.
I'm going to try this work thing again.
I was making money online, dried up a little bit.
I went to work for Pizza Hut.
Or no, Papa John's, excuse me, to deliver pizza.
And this was in... Quality profits, deliver pizza and this was in this was quality profits
fucking quality this was in california this is 2015 so uh as this at this point i'm making
you know i was making like anywhere between like one to four thousand a month definitely not
consistent that's how you know you're definitely like trying to figure it out right and then this was one of those months where we didn't even hit $300 and we're like, what are we
going to do? We got to eat. We got to fucking provide we as in me and, you know, significant
other, luckily no kids yet, none of that. Anyway, I go to work two weeks, never make it on time ever,
ever. And, uh, they're like, listen, it's not, it's not you not you it's us we can't have you anymore and
that's when i realized i can never work a traditional job again and there's nothing
wrong with that because i need somebody to flip my burger because i really like it crispy and i
like onions and all that so there's nothing wrong with these things i just want to point out that
oh you want you want fries with that prophet? I would love fries with that
I'm talking about today
no salt
today is the
like I don't know who's
I don't know who needs to hear this but like bro
we got you could fucking clip
up somebody else's content
now and make a bag a week
that could be your bag for crypto
I don't want to fucking hear it anymore I don't want to fucking hear it anymore.
I don't want to fucking hear it anymore.
Big up to the Nug boys.
We ran into each other at the gym the other day,
and I fucking feel like an asshole.
The main guy, I suck.
I only know John.
He's like, oh, so that whole meme coin thing,
like that's kind of like bullshit, right?
And I'm like, listen, there's a lot of fucking money here.
But yeah, a lot of this is a little bit of PVP.
And I bring that up because they're traditional dudes.
They have a business.
Granted, they came into Web3.
I'm not talking about the things they did in Web3.
Don't give a fuck about that at the moment.
But they have a business, right?
And whether you're at that level, high level business, you know, you make it.
They clearly have millions.
Or you're, you know, whatever, traditional job, doctor, nurse, lawyer, whatever the hell making, you shouldn't care about what's happening in one month, two months, three months in crypto.
You should do research, take three fucking hours one time of the week,
maybe once a week, make a list, buy the shit, hold it, have a nice fucking day.
That's what, because there's so many times where the, like, I don't know,
I can't even say normies, but people are like, Oh, what should I, what should I
just fucking buy Bitcoin and have a nice day. Now when people hear these opportunities, hold on,
people hear these opportunities of like suey and all these things. Then now you're fucking deciding
to not be a traditional investor anymore. It is what it is. You are now taking a leap of faith
into something new. That's all. I'll digress. Go ahead, Will. Go ahead.
I just wanted to say, I think a lot of people just want to sound smart. I'm not here to do
that. I'm just legitimately just here trying to help people find a way in this space. It's
basically, I got in. I feel like there's a lot of opportunity here. So I try to teach people how to get, you know, opportunity here and how to, how to make money.
That's it. Like it's, it's, it's not about, you know, being famous for me or it is for some people,
right? Some people are trying to make an X check. They're like, if I just get my account big enough
and I get a hundred thousand views, I can start getting paychecks from X and I never have to work
again. Good fucking luck.
Look at your competition.
There are people like literally ripping off other people
for, you know, content and everything else.
Like, you're never going to get to that level
unless you're like able to like basically
do those type of things.
And who wants to sit there
and funnel through TikTok all day
so they can steal content and put it on Twitter?
I don't want to do that shit.
I don't know.
My brain will rot. So like for me, it's like, okay, just, you know, find other ways to make money if you
want to. But, you know, I think investing is a good way to do it. I think there's a lot of money
here in crypto to be made. And I think that if people are smart and savvy, they'll make money
here. Everybody else, you're just going to fall, you know, victim to the, I want to sound smart.
I want to be a macro analyst. I want to be blah, blah, blah.
Again, it's just, it's kiss, right?
You want to live your life and keep it simple, stupid.
That's basically it.
Invest smart.
And if you want to gamble a little bit, go for it. There's nothing wrong with it.
You know, just understand there's limitations to everything.
Shouldn't be gambling away your entire wealth factor.
You know, everything that you've gained for years and years and years
shouldn't be inside of a mean coin called part or a mean coin called
Bitcoin or whatever. Right.
Your network should not be in that.
You can put in some money, but your network should not be in that.
I like why wouldn't I put my net worth in for we say that's like the future of finance, bro.
You're sure it's's gonna get an ETF soon
actually I have a friend I was telling him to start buying Bitcoin like I start dollar
cost averaging in probably at around 50 60 and he didn't start buying in until like 105 right and
I'm like why'd you wait so long he's like well another friend told me to buy and
i'm like that's not your friend bro i was like he was like it's all right if it went down i'm
gonna buy the dip i'm looking right now he's down well over 30 but yeah whatever like it is what it
is people see the number go up and they think it's going to continue to go up and they fall for that FOMO trap. That's the issue.
Yeah, if everybody's excited, you're entering at the wrong time.
That's basically it. If you just came into the room
and everybody in there looks like they're on their fifth or sixth drink,
the party's about to end. That's basically it.
If you came into the room and everybody's passed out,
the party's already ended, right?
If you came into the room and there's maybe a couple people there,
a couple people there, which typically happens in the bear,
then you probably came right at the right time.
And it's probably time to be looking for entries.
It just really depends if they're looking long-term or short-term.
No such thing as late if it's long-term, if it's still going.
You know what I mean?
You can buy it at under five, and the expectation is a million dollars.
Who cares?
DCA, like this guy said.
Do you know how many people became community members and ended up marrying their bags?
Like, they pretty much just married to them altogether.
You know how many people buy the S&P 500 every year?
And it's always too late.
And it's always too high.
And it's always more than how much our parents and grandparents paid for it.
You know how many people buy houses, which is too high?
And way more than what our grandparents pay for it i
mean it just depends man cannot be just one-sided dude i know i completely agree with that that's
that's where i think like people get too bearish because they're like oh prices are too high it's
like okay that doesn't matter prices are always too high they were you you think because your
grandparents got their house for 60 000 60 000 wasn $60,000 wasn't a lot for them?
$60,000 is probably what $500,000 is for us right now.
You're just not understanding the dollar difference.
They made a lot less money back then.
Back then, minimum wage was $255.
One of the other differences, though, that people don't think about is they had a lot less bills granted
we are better off but they also had single parent homes that were bringing home income they typically
only had one parent bringing home income fine but at the same time there are a lot more bills like
i don't know you guys right Huh? I completely agree with you.
Yeah, it's a lot less bills.
But also, it's like people back in the day chose to live in places that they could afford instead of places that they couldn't afford.
The thing that we operate on right now is enjoy everything now and forget about later because we hate the fact that our parents sacrificed.
And they tell you to turn off the lights and save electricity and not keep the water running. now and forget about later because we hate the fact that our parents sacrificed and they
tell you to turn off the lights and save electricity and not keep the water running.
It's just a different kind of culture now.
Before it was all about preservation and living within your means or below your means and today
we just live how everyone will live and we live paycheck to paycheck.
It's completely just like you can live in many places where you can
make a lot more money and and live comfortably so you guys choose to live in not you guys but
people choose to live in uh places like california and new york and places where they don't deserve
to live in if they they don't make enough money period i mean it's funny it's funny you say that because i i could afford to live in california but
i moved from california because i saw the writing on the wall for california right
i was just like there's no fucking way like even i was i was paying almost for almost as much for
state taxes i was paying for federal yeah that's absolutely insane. It's like, I'm leaving. I would also say that, yes, sometimes it just depends on your time horizon of what you plan to do in life.
It's like, the next 15 years, I'll be living paycheck to paycheck, but I'm networking.
Because that's the whole point of it.
You're overpaying, but the network you're making as you're living there is the biggest thing.
But if you're just a guy that doesn't want to talk to anybody doesn't want to socialize doesn't want to network there's really
no no reason for you to live in a city or an expensive place just working at a job go work
at a job somewhere else where your life is going to be much better but if you're a guy that's a
go-getter that's trying to make connections do business be a billionaire at some point or a
multi-millionaire then stay
there because yes it's going to suck today but the connections you build as you're working in those
jobs as you're running in those bars and running into people and meeting people's friends and all
that stuff it's going to be worth the uh the cost of uh paying a high ticket price at the end of the
day there's you know it's perspective in your
goals in life it cannot just be like oh this i look at the number and it doesn't make sense
period and i make my decisions off numbers period you know i mean so i mean i'm not saying anyone's
wrong here it's just respectless oh 100 i i think to a degree like when you when you look at
everything out there and you look at everything everywhere else it's like it makes more sense to be everywhere else.
Yeah, there's always there's always connections everywhere else it's just what you want to do.
Yeah, but when I was in California, I went there originally for the workflow, right? Like I got to work with some good companies. I got a good resume going like I worked with NASA worked with a couple other good companies out there.
I got a good resume going like I worked with NASA.
I worked with a couple other good companies out there.
And then I moved to Vegas and I got to work with like Google and a couple other places.
Vegas is still pretty good, man.
Yeah, no, that's what I'm saying though.
I came to Vegas.
Yeah.
No state tax.
You only get taxed on what you buy, right?
So if you don't overbuy, you're fine.
Correct.
And so you buy what you need and that's it.
So you buy your essentials, you pay your rent, you pay your utilities,
you pay your mortgage, you pay your car payment if you have a car payment,
yada, yada, yada, whatever you may pay,
but you only pay what you're trying to get.
Yeah, would you say that because you work in those great jobs
and those great positions, and i'm assuming your your experience
like you said your resume is great i mean do you feel like because you've gotten maybe stock options
or whatever else you were able to invest in while you were here it was uh uh it was enough for you
to live comfortably in vegas or is it just like you know it it wasn't going anywhere and yeah okay all right okay good yeah the goal the goal was to build the
resume and then move out yeah okay that was the goal and i did that perfect there you go i mean
yeah and that's that's sometimes an okay thing to do i think i think states like california are great
for that like you can work for like big names you can get them on your resume and then you can move away.
Right. And you can work anywhere you want. And not only can you work anywhere you want,
you can ask for high salaries no matter where you go. Yeah. I mean,
minimum wage for every engineer here is like 180,000 to 200,000, depending on your stock
package too. You can even go to 250,000 just out of college. You know, our nurses make 200,000 depending on your stock package too you can even go to 250,000 just out of college you
know our nurses make 200,000 in norcal just new york when i when i was gonna go they were they
were trying to get me to come over there and they were offering like 320k but i already know what
it costs to live in new york i was like no i said that's not even fucking worth it yeah yeah yeah
and the culture the culture is very different.
You know, in California, it's a lot friendlier.
They say hello, and you got opportunities to meet different, different people.
In New York, it's kind of elitist.
It's your family name.
It's who you know a lot of times.
No, it's not.
It's really not.
Is it not?
No, it's not.
I'm born and raised in New York. It sounds like that, I hope. But no, it's not. It's really not. Is it not? No, it's not. I'm born and raised in New York.
It sounds like that, I hope.
But no, it's not. I've met a lot of people
that made a lot of money
from nothing. I don't know what the hell.
Here's the thing.
You got to be creative enough.
There's money on every corner in New York.
Okay? And I'm not telling you to sell drugs.
And I'm not telling you to just randomly sell anything.
God damn it. The corners, huh? No, I'm kidding telling you to sell drugs and I'm not telling you to just randomly sell anything God damn it the corners, huh?
No, there is there are ways to make money, you know provide a service do whatever
You know what I mean? And that's literally on every fucking corner
Oh man, what the fuck?
Not those kind of services
But yo, anyway
Whatever you want man on this corner, don't worry about it, whatever you want, man, on this corner, don't worry about it.
Whatever you want.
I got you.
You want to start a business, you want to start something, I think it's easiest in New York.
It's a lot more expensive, but it's easier because you'll be able to find people to actually...
That's in any place that's overpopulated.
that's overpopulated.
Yeah.
Heavily overpopulated, right?
I've heard of people
I forget what city they live in
but it's not the state of New York
but they go across the bridge every day to work in New York
because that's the only way that they can get money.
Either Jersey or Connecticut, one or the other.
I'll give you another example.
There was a homeless dude
and somebody
pretty much paid him to stand
on a line for iPhone, right?
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You heard about this guy?
I mean, it happens often.
Nico, you're a fucking fool.
You think there's only one motherfucker in New York City
that's a fucking human proxy, bro?
Motherfuckers are at Supreme?
Only one guy.
We pay all the homeless people to stand in line for that gadget.
Nintendo's fucking iPhone, Supreme.
Hold on.
Yeah, yeah.
He started a whole business.
Not all of them started a business and hired 30 people.
Oh, fair enough.
Fair enough.
Continue.
You know, like this guy, yeah.
Like, what the fuck is going on over here?
Yeah, all right.
This guy fucking went from homeless to like 30 people working for him, standing on lines.
And he got crazy, actually.
Broadway tickets were a big one.
Yeah.
Hamilton, when the original cast of Hamilton stopped, I think it was 15 grand a pop.
Yeah.
I mean, they do that for rave events, too, and all that stuff.
They just snipe a bunch of it and then they
resell it for crazy
amounts. You're paying $80 for something
and now you can sell it for
thousands of dollars depending on what event you're going to.
I'll tell you
this, Nico. I've been to New York.
It's too cold in the winter.
That air coming out of that water is way too
fucking cold and it's
way too expensive.
I don't care what you think you can make there.
Ain't no way I'd ever live in New York.
Zero chance.
Look, you gotta know how to live in New York.
I have a wonderful apartment.
I'm pretty much retired.
So I don't know what to tell you.
So you make $100,000 a month?
So you're in rent control, Bill.
No, no, I'm actually not.
I'm not in rent control.
Come on, my boy. My dog alone. If you're in rent control, Bill. No, no, I'm actually not. I'm not in rent control.
My dog alone, if you're in rent control, that'll be.
That's awful.
I was like, poor Nico.
No, no, my landlord's a family friend.
But I actually have a pretty decent place.
Yeah.
So, but no, like, if you're from the neighborhood, I know a lot of people. They don't pay anything like what people think they're paying.
Yeah, if you're new to the neighborhood and you don't know anybody, then yeah, it's going to be...
Born and raised in New York, man.
Yeah, that's pretty much it.
How many of your friends have you made living there for how many years?
many years you know what i mean it's just like like i said it's connections with people you know
You know what I mean?
Just like I said, it's connections with people you know.
well there's that too but like there's so many immigrants that came here and made a lot of money
out of nowhere like my father is one of them but like yeah there's a lot of people that did that
you know there's also the idea that back in the day it was all about community now now it's like
opportunity right they're opportunists all around so that's what oh that's what i'm talking about
i was like back in the day you can make relationships and people talk to you when you're a stranger.
Now it's like I was just there, actually.
I was just there.
And I don't want to overgeneralize, right?
Because I haven't lived there.
I just visited.
So it's just different, different vibes.
You know what makes this space like way too opportunistic?
It's so easy to just create a token.
I mean, look, we had a 12 year old fucking rucking people, you know?
So, yeah, I mean, that's true.
That's true.
I like to say that it's similar to running a business and it's not okay for people to
just open a business and just not have the experience and do it and just, you know, ruin it for everybody that needs an opportunity to build in this space.
I don't care if a 12-year-old sold me shitty lemonade, but, like, this whole thing with the tokens is a whole different story, bro.
Yeah.
Did you give him constructive criticism on how to make the lemonade less shitty?
Did you give him constructive criticism on how to make the lemonade less shitty?
I haven't bought lemonade with a 12-year-old, so, like, no, I'm just saying.
I had this, okay.
I had this thing that I said earlier in my space.
I said, you know, bullish with the ghost token, right?
Everyone's, like, complaining about how you rug people.
I'm like, guys, listen.
Wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on.
Who's that?
Who?
Bullish.
Bullish?
Who's that?
Who's that? It's just some. Bullish. Who's that? Who's that?
It's just some guy that has been popular at the last cycle,
and now he came back and he's doing celebrity token.
Oh, wait, wait. Okay, hold on. This is Alpha.
Popular last cycle in what way exactly? Like, what do you mean?
He was building tokens with a group of people, and he was...
I don't know. I don't know him personally.
No, I'm teasing you i'm sorry unfortunately i do know who that is so go ahead what happened with this ghost token no what i was saying it's like you know it's
people were saying oh this guy's a bad guy and he does this and i'm like personally i don't know
him but you know i don't judge people based on their business endeavors and failing you know
what i mean like he ran it and he was the face of it he said a lot of good things and he's like
i've got a team and we've done it before and this team knows what's up and you got never fade and
he's got all these guys wait hold on sorry to cut you off again are you saying ghost went to shit
yeah ghost went to shit okay let me say this monkey you sound like a stand-up guy
do you get are you like should i call you your guy, he, they, he, him?
He, he, okay, just making sure.
You sound like very smart.
You sound like very professional even.
Sorry if I'm giving you too much credit.
Let me give you a little alpha here.
I don't know how new you are.
I don't think you're that new.
You have, you know, got a little father.
I'm not that new.
Yeah, he's been around.
I think the number one, and this is not even pertaining to him. It's the many, many, many people that, uh, mistakenly fail at a project. So I'm going to say
this, there's a difference between we're going to do it this way. And then we'll just fuck it,
say we failed. And then there's knowing that my reputation sucks.
I only know shitty people.
And the only people that could actually help me are shittier than me.
There's no way something is going to be successful.
Granted, most people aren't privy to information.
So I'll just leave it there.
But, Monkey, I would absolutely encourage you to take what you hear, and I'm sure you do, with a grain of salt.
When people say, oh, it failed. there's a difference between you know purposely knowing something
is gonna fucking fail and then come on dog there's no way they thought that ghost video
in the studio was gonna come fucking pump the coin dog there's just no motherfucking way no i
100 but that's how i was i was getting at it's like you know you guys shouldn't be surprised
that he was not a builder before
and he's trying to build something long term.
He doesn't have experience in that.
And so I want to say that, like, yeah, it's unfair that he he failed to do it.
But understand that as investors, it's like you giving somebody money and your friend
says, I'm going to open up a cafe.
He's got no experience in it.
And if he fails, you tell me that your friend's a cheat,
a liar, and all that stuff.
I'm like, bro, he has no experience.
What do you think is what's going to happen when you invest?
Well, hold on.
The difference is these people are cheats and liars.
But I really, listen, this analogy
is the reason why Web3 is a little fucked up in some ways,
man, for real.
This is a great.
But how do we verify that?
I'm going to let everybody else answer and then I'll go ahead.
Okay, go.
If my friend opened up a cafe shop and failed six times prior than that,
I definitely wouldn't be giving him my money again to try another one.
Yeah, 100%.
But these are different people that he's been trying to fund all these projects.
You know what it is, Mungi?
You know what it is, I'll arguably say this, and I learned this when this dogenal PFP started to kind of, I guess, you know, a lot of people started to be with that community, which, you know, they seem cool, whatever.
I'll arguably say this.
Some of the people actually seem decent.
But you know what it is?
I'm going to tell you this.
This is how I learned actually a lot of stuff that's about to either happen in the space or whether it's a good product, whatever.
It could be bad product whatever it could be
bad things it could be this is how i find out i'll start to get calls and messages not all at once
not like gossipy but like for example i remember vividly a friend was we were out here in miami
we're eating and they're like hey what is this this dogenal thing and i'm like what the fuck
did you just say because they're not in crypto they're in their web2 they have like a job like a traditional job they buy a little bitcoin here and there
and I was like what the fuck are you talking about they're like well I remember you you know
you told me you host like this spaces thing on twitter I never care for twitter but now I have
a twitter these guys talk about crypto and I'm like oh and in my mind I'm like please god don't
tell me I know who they're talking about and I'm like oh let me see what are you talking about
and then they show me one of these people's you know I'm not gonna drop any names I don't tell me i know who they're talking about and i'm like oh let me see what are you talking about and then they show me one of these people's you know i'm not gonna drop any names i don't need
to everybody knows who the fuck i'm talking about but they show these spaces of these like most like
just disgusting just manipulative and i'm like holy shit they're like yo but i made a bag i made
like 3k off this little mean coin they shilled and i was like ah this is over a year ago i said ah the newbies are being onboarded
not knowing unfortunately about people's past and so and and sometimes monkey they get paid
right off of whatever the fuck is being shilled at the day or whatever so there's a lot of big
stuff because people are eating in some ways but more or or less not. So I'll digress there. And I think that's
the issue. The issue is there is misinformation, but then there's also stuff that's not obvious.
And then listen, to me, I'm not the one person to make it obvious. The reason the title of this
show has been the same for the last three fucking years is because I came in just like yourself,
kind of new, no following, whatever, 3,000 people, decent yourself kind of new no following whatever 3 000 people
decent kind of smart know a little bit no you know street smart but guess what nobody gave a
fuck about me exposing something even when i had all the receipts i've exposed the biggest scams
known to men in this fucking space uh squiggles if you guys remember that that founder just went
to jail fucking two months ago he yelled on me He yelled at me on my space right here, trying to curse me out on this fucking space.
My point is all this shit is I'm only one person.
And unfortunately, I don't have the bandwidth to be specifically going after every fucking rug these people launch.
Because at this point, it's like over 100.
However, stuff like this comes around, it comes out.
And hey, at this point, we got a whole timeline full of people exposing so i think my job is 100 but anyway anyway
monkey i appreciate you sharing definitely appreciate it yeah yeah it's just a perspective
you know it's just like you shouldn't be shocked because this guy's got no experience in it and
that's what you guys should be researching when it comes to people like this they've never launched a token and doesn't matter what they say and how much
they promise it's like they just don't have the experience for it even if they thought they had
the experience for it they really don't i looked at their uh resume and i looked at the people
involved and i was like this is uh it's got to be a rug because they're good talkers but they're not
good operators it's just having a bunch of steve jobs you know what i mean it's like to be a rug because they're good talkers but they're not good operators it's just having a
bunch of steve jobs you know what i mean it's like a bunch of steve jobs over over promising
you gotta follow is that you're not even i don't know if that's your name or what but
thank you um wait a second uh did you see ghost on the bitcoin doing bitcoin stuff like last year
no they're asking me to be part of the team to help launch Ghost.
I was like, I don't think this is going to run.
This is horrible, guys.
Listen, GhostfaceKiller came into this space
over a year ago on Bitcoin.
And he was doing cool shit with the Bitcoin.
I think he even dropped the project.
And yo, it was actually a positive response
from the community.
Didn't feel grifty, apparently.
And when he started tweeting two months ago, right after
this yay shit, that he wanted to go to Seoul,
I knew that
one of you nasty, dirty motherfuckers have
got a hold of his DMs and
said, hey, brother, we can
go ahead and cut this six-figure check for you right
now. Because there ain't no motherfucking way.
These motherfuckers don't give a fuck enough, man.
They don't care enough.
Anyway, I'm done. I'm done.
Nico, go ahead.
I think Ghostface Triller did a charity-type ordinal thing.
Yeah, it was dope.
It was thought out.
It was cool.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, that was good.
I don't know what the hell happened after that.
But what I was going to say is it comes back to what I said.
It's way too opportunistic.
Like, last cycle, I had people telling me they were devs,
and they didn't even know how to put a token together.
And that's,
that's not even dev work.
Okay.
Like that's,
that's,
it's,
it's just,
I'm just sitting there and I'm like,
I can't believe what the fuck's going on.
So one of the things is like,
you have to be,
you're not necessarily like crypto savvy,
but you do have to be at least, like, internet-savvy
with what you're dealing with.
Like, I don't believe too many people on the internet at all.
Like, almost nothing.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Like, you tell me you're a doctor.
If I don't see your fucking degree, whatever,
like, I don't know if you're a fucking doctor or not.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean.
Like, if a YouTuber was to tell you, like, they're going to give you a fucking doctor or not. You know what I mean? So, like, if a YouTuber was to tell you,
they're gonna give you a fucking butt implant.
Are you gonna fucking take it from a YouTuber?
Nope. There you go.
Exactly. Everyone, go
watch Apple Cider
Vinegar. I don't even finish it, but
if that's what you're referring to,
Nico, yes.
No, I've never watched that.
No, no, a lot of people believe shit from people on the internet
and then claim it as fact. So it's crazy. I also want to say that sometimes, you know,
there's multiple ways to make money and there's multiple ways to invest. And this guy's just
known to be a flipper, not a, and we call that in the real estate world where i work in it's
like uh uh i build houses for a living and then there's people that flip houses there's people
that tear down new builds and there's people that build apartments and and rent it out long term
and most people are in that threshold in this space in the house flipping business it's just
like we build a token we make a good bag don't care what
happens to the token move on just like how they flip houses you know there's people that do brand
new builds that they're like hey i want to have people have a community in this neighborhood
we're gonna build this compound out you know make sure that the community's safe we got good school
district all that stuff and you know they really build out the token. So at the end of the day, it's just like foundation and you built the foundation based off of
what you're expecting the lifetime cycle of this token is going to be, you know.
And that's what sucks about Solana, when people have this misconception that they only get stuck
at the flipping houses instead of taking advantage of the liquidity pools and actually taking
advantage of the volume that comes into this space and actually have infinite residual income or
passive income. That's the whole beauty of this space. You're supposed to have the same similar
principles as Ethereum and just take advantage of the volume that comes in because of the lower gas fees. But you still were supposed to build just like Mirad did and print out of the liquidity pool
because you've built the house and everyone lives in it and everyone has a volume and drives it over in the space.
Just think about that, you know, and just like the economy, everyone, everyone who starts something is on the bottom.
They hold it down
and they make money off the uh business that's on top of their plot of land right and and let's say
you have a plot of land a hotel gets built on that yeah you get rent for that by by the passive income
of the volume that comes into the that a hotel right and then the hotel runs itself because
people now uh come buy and sell buy and sell and they make money off of that chart. I mean, it's not bad that people trade charts.
It's just bad that people don't know how to build that hotel for people to come in and trade and do all these things.
Well, perfectly said, and I love that you're – I haven't heard you here, so forgive me if you have come here,
but thank you for coming today.
It's my first time.
Awesome, awesome. Welcome.
So I like this fresh perspective, and I like – because you're being genuine. but thank you for coming today and thank you for my first time awesome awesome welcome so i like
this fresh perspective and i like because you're you're being genuine and unfortunately for people
like myself even i know melina will brett even i won't say for anybody else because i don't really
know everybody that that personal but um we're jaded so what you just said we're like who the
fuck is hosting fuck that shit we're like, who the fuck is hosting?
Fuck that shit.
We're not fucking with it, right?
So granted, that doesn't necessarily mean that we're right.
But I guess what I'm getting at is everything you just said is on point.
And I think the fuck up in the spaces, since this tool, for example, going live on spaces.
First of all, I could go live on Instagram and talk for an hour and get X amount of people engaging, but let's be real us talking like this, people will be like, what the fuck
is going on over there? Right. This is like a, this is like a forum, open forum discussion with
voice. And unfortunately the highest level of emotional manipulation is done here.
And it's easy, right?
It's easy to be like, yeah, we're going to be in a casino.
We're going to launch this.
So what I'm getting at is people launch these things knowing that it's going to trigger and make people react emotionally, especially with their money,
because they're like, oh, I can manipulate.
It's like me and you going to Vegas, going to a blackjack table and being like,
yo, we can manipulate these guys to do this instead.
No, nigga, leave this shit alone.
Just play.
Just fucking play in the casino.
So that's my fucking issue with this space.
And I hate that horseshit.
And I'm not saying this to you, but in general, the horseshit excuse of like, oh, well.
Oh, she rugged.
Or did I rugged?
Everybody had their decision to fucking put their money there and i'm
like fuck you fuck you anyway burns you've been waiting for a minute man appreciate you
we'll go back to monkey f profit thanks for having me up i appreciate you um and before i say another
word retweet the space bring your friends on um doesn't cost anything so i just gotta say like i just might have been here for a couple
cycles and um and this is like the fucking most legit crime out there ever i mean it just is insane
i mean i think back to like when when like doing a white paper and like throwing down like effort
and putting a white paper was it was like the key to the kingdom like oh yeah they got a white paper and like throwing down like effort and putting a white paper was
it was like the key to the kingdom like oh yeah they got a white paper you know like
the fucking look at that white paper it's epic I could blast a white paper out in less
than 14 seconds with fucking chat GPT and it would be probably better than 99% of the
white papers that are I like actually legit platforms yeah you know and it's like I
think culturally one of the really biggest problems is that you know we
get to the point where we go oh man you know of course he rugged he was 12 who
the fuck is buying this shit I don't know i mean i just i i have uh i have pulled back from that
stuff um what i have done is i have started to really just hone in focus on things that actually
are are being built um and drown out the noise like you know prophets was talking about dogenals and, and, uh, my brother, actually,
he and my ex partner, they got into dogenals and got them for free.
And they're like, dude, they're, they're going to keep fucking going up.
They're going to go up forever.
They're the next fucking base.
And the biggest takeaway that everybody in this space, I, I would hope is that most meme coins go to zero take
profits if an nft is up and it's being minted by a scammer sell that shit you know like they're
just things don't go up forever specifically meme coins. And the majority of them, like, I mean, not even the majority, like they're fucking meme coins for a reason.
And the really good ones go really high because a pro team is pushing them.
And there's, you know, there's like there are puppet masters behind the scenes, whether it's market makers or whether it is whales.
There's so much manipulation.
Like I saw a girl was in the space and then I saw it was Web3 exposed
and I was like, oh man, I totally want to listen to this one.
But, you know, I mean, everything is manipulated.
Everything.
Like you can't piss without like hitting something that's manipulated in Web3.
I mean, it just is incredible.
So anyway.
Yo, who's talking right now this
is burns so i can push the follow button aggressively yeah everyone's a listener for
me tonight but i figured it was burns who's speaking who else is speaking for like playing
yeah i think i think to that point um that is true but that doesn't just rest in web 3 everything
we live in in society is is done the same way.
And there's market manipulation in the stock market.
There's market manipulation in real estate.
I mean, I bought five houses one time and I built it across from each other.
And I sold the first house at 1.7 mil.
The second house at 1.9 mil.
The third house at 2.2 mil.
I mean, you could manipulate anything.
So to that point, I just
want to say that like, you don't want to just say it's a web theory that's fucking it up. It's
literally, it's decentralized and you're able to take things from a centralized society and take
those rules and regulation into this space and run your token and run your business the way you want
to run it. Because that's the whole thing. Otherwise, you got BlackRock manipulating the market.
You've got the government manipulating the market, other big institution manipulating
the market.
It's not Web3 exclusive.
It's actually just something that already exists.
And to add to the white paper thing, I live in Silicon Valley and this whole culture is
the startup culture.
But the biggest difference is we've got accredited investors who are angel investors I live in Silicon Valley and this whole culture is the startup culture.
But the biggest difference is we've got accredited investors who are angel investors investing in this business, what team runs and do your own research side of things. It's not descriptive enough to know what they're researching on, and you don't know what you don't know, and you can't ask questions that you don't know to ask.
know to ask so it doesn't it's not enough when people say do your own research it's got to be
It's not enough when people say, do your own research.
you know if you're going to say that you got to actually explain to them what they're researching
on research on the team research on blah blah blah obviously but it's what they're so it's a
it's decentralized and it's meant for self-custodianship and that's the downside of a
society without rules and regulations you know um so i would i would say? I would say that there's
one thing that is, I think
is important is basically this concept
of docs by proxy,
where having
your network
of people who you actually trust
act as DYOR
because obviously anything can
rug, anything can happen.
The most trustworthy people in Web3 can fuck you.
100%.
But I think that like leveraging your network and as like a new person trying to get in with, you know, finding a DAO that is solid people making solid decisions and you know as honest and transparent as they possibly
can be getting in with the community is so important and like finding a herd to be part
of not to be like a sheep but like you know to have a plan now that goes back to like your
network is your net worth your business success is dependent on the people that you're you're
surrounding yourself with you took my saying you. You took my... Sorry, sorry.
You take it.
You take it.
Go, go, go.
No, I was going to say that and then you said it,
but that's funny.
Yeah, your net worth is your net worth.
A lot of people don't understand the concept.
The concept is surround yourself with good people.
That's the concept.
Going back to being jaded real quick.
Yeah, I wouldn't network,
or at least with a lot of people.
Just right now, dude, people's bags are down so horrendous bro they will sell you for a fucking cupcake at this point like it's it's bad out there in these streets
bro people are mad people are angry and i'm like we're just trying to have a good time like
despite the bullshit dude i i had somebody on my timeline tell me I'm lying
to people and that
he'll tell the truth to everybody
and that I'm stupid
for telling people that you know
that the market still is okay and people
should be looking for opportunity
and that there's going to be a recession
literally going off on my timeline
just go outside and breathe
have a cup of coffee calm down you sound like eric trump right now will yeah people people right now are very on edge
with markets and they again there's there's so much going back to kind of like what monkey was
saying but there's there's a lot of pessimism right and in the space too but that's because yeah a lot of people it doesn't matter where you go you can be in crypto you can
be in the stock market there's manipulation everywhere and that's what i always tell people
i'm like dude you act like the stock market's any different than this it's the same shit
it doesn't matter like the open market is the same if they think they can take advantage of you they will take advantage of you yeah that's that's how it works and yeah i've been working
a long time on the engineering side like and i do like 3d modeling all kinds of stuff and like
in that in that world your estimates and everything at that they change from job to job
but the job size may never change
right and then it just depends on who you who you're bidding up and that's how that world works
it's it's it's uh take advantage of them if you think you can and then don't take advantage if
you don't think you can right if you get continual residual revenue i want to also add to that in
terms of business like you know i i charge when i work
with somebody and i build their house i charge depending on how much i think this person is
gonna be annoying and demanding of my time right it's not taking advantage of them it's more of
like how much is this person going to be an annoying tariff nice yeah it's like not all
money is the same money to me right it's like you can give me a headache tariff yeah a million dollars and then build your house and i say cool i'll do that
and because you're easy guy but then when i hear somebody who's very particular who has no clue
what they're saying i'm charging you 1.5 million then you can pay me that and i'll build your house
either ways but otherwise i have to cover my end when you're at the last 10% or last bit of the job.
You're going to be like, can you add this?
Can you add this?
I mean, I just got a plan for that, right?
It's not manipulation.
Huh?
Sorry?
Yeah, I second that.
Who's that speaking?
Monkey.
Monkey, you need a show.
I love this.
Thanks.
Appreciate that.
I was going to ask to somebody else that was saying something about uh ah damn okay you guys take the floor sorry i was just uh no you're good what's up
fam how you been i'm good man i've been i've been out of here for a minute but i figured i'd pop in
you know i gotta make this the last space of my day but uh i don't know i love what everybody's
saying it's just really surprising that with all the fucking technology and all the information that
we got out there people are still getting fucked all you need to do is learn how to read questions
just ask ask any kind of questions but i love what monkey's saying because i got the same i got the
same deal like going back to what will said earlier he built his structure so he's got his all the shit that
he worked on and that's what he's living off of right now all the knowledge that he's fucking
learned that's what you do in life like i know how to fucking build a house i'm doing av right
now i've been doing this shit for like 20 years and i also have a shirt right now that i just
made that says i'm here because you fuck something up because I do service all the time yeah and it's literally it's literally what it is that's just how life is you you do shit like you charge people because
they have the money and they're annoying but they can afford it but if you know what I mean like
we have so much fucking shit at our fingertips so much knowledge we should not be getting
fucked as we are we should know like I I'm gonna give you an example. I did a, I did a 32
story building and I was looking after a couple of crew guys. And then I had to do, somebody asked
me to do the entry phone system. And what I did was I called the company and I'm like, can you do
this to entry phone systems in the building? I'll run all the cables. This motherfucker told me it
would take him a week. I'm like, okay, I'll call you back on Monday. I took that weekend. I took the fucking course
and I did it myself. It took me three fucking days, knowledge and persistence. You got to love
what you do and you can do fucking anything. We can do fucking anything we want right now.
We just have to have the love and the fucking balls and perseverance to fucking do it.
A lot of people too, they think there's's a there's a cap on salaries because they look it up on Google.
Like, what is the salary for doing this?
What is it?
You can be a specialty in any field that you work into.
And you can literally just be way more, way more valuable than every other employee just by working a little bit harder than everybody else.
And so, you And so your average
salary could be 80 to 90K, but you're making 160, 180 because your value is much higher than the
other people that work around you because they're coming to work a nine to five. You're coming to
work your career. And I think when you look at it from that perspective, this is why I don't get
bothered by markets wherever else everybody else does because I always have money.
Why do I always have money?
Because I work and I do things that I need to be doing and I make a lot of money doing it because I worked hard to get here.
You have money, bro, because you have money, bro, because you're intelligent and you know what you're fucking doing for the people.
Like there's a lot of people out there that have money and so much money that they don't need to be intelligent.
Like that's just that's that shit hurts me because I feel like they don't deserve it.
You know what I mean? It's it's fucked up, but it's out there.
Believe it or not. I want to add to this to earlier to that point earlier of like people fighting you and saying that you suck and you're stupid and you're a scammer.
I'm like, I tell people this all the time.
It's like when the market's down or up with real estate do you still continue to pay your mortgage why does
it matter if the market's down you're not selling your house today or 401k you contribute to it
every single week on your paycheck or two weeks on your paycheck why does it matter if the market's
down or up you still continue to pay for it like you to look at a long term and a dollar cost average.
And if you think in 20, 30, 40 years, which is usually how long it takes for things to just
settle out and shake off all the downside of the market. I mean, you'll see that you're just going
to be fine. And if you believe in the project and you believe in the product, I think Warren
Buffett always said it best. It's like, I don't care what happens tomorrow, right? A week from now, a month from now, a year from now, 10 years from now, because I'm really betting when I'm investing in the stock market, I'm really owning a company and I'm betting on the future of America.
That's what I'm betting on.
I'm not looking at how the business is performing today,
how much corn they're producing in this farm and all that stuff,
because at the end of the day, it doesn't matter.
If you're betting on something that you believe in and you fully understand,
which is what brings back the point of custodianship to the person that's investing,
it's like if you understand and you have experience in investment,
you're not going to freak out about these things,
because when I'm building a house for sale,
I don't care if the market's down a year before I'm ready
because at the end of the day,
everything's going to weather through
and I'm still going to have to pay that mortgage
and I'm still going to have to pay that property tax.
What does it matter to me?
I'm not selling my house today.
So who cares about the sentiments today?
Right?
Same thing with stock market.
If I'm not selling my stock today,
dollar cost average
because that's probably your best way to preserve your capital and actually get your average lower so that I'd break even.
You can pull out your money if you're freaked out enough or just do whatever.
Right. So, I mean, it's just inexperience and you shouldn't be projecting your inexperience on other people that's giving you advice and sound advice and not knowing instead
of like accusing someone of scamming you you should ask you know i think people don't ask
enough questions like ask them what they would do in this situation seeing that the market's all down
right if you've got a big position on something like it's never too late like the beginning of
this conversation is never too late if you think that that's going to go, you know, what's up?
Speaking of questions, you mind if I slide in the DMs and ask you a question?
Yeah, go ahead.
Who is this?
Mass?
Moss.
I'll add you. Yeah, okay, go ahead.
I appreciate you. Appreciate you.
Yeah, no problem.
I think not enough people think about it from that level.
Like if anybody asked me a question on the timeline, it was like,
hey, what would you do if Bitcoin went below 60K?'ll just use that as an example right yeah i would be like well
if i'm already in i would likely add more because it makes sense to add more yeah and you know that
that would just be my thought process and i'd be like i'd look for this level and i would add there
but nobody ever asked me that they just get upset because i say this looks like a solid place
price to hold it's a support level and then it breaks and then they get they get pissed off because it broke
it's like i can't predict tariffs i can't predict black swans and things like that that could occur
yeah and so if you're buying it 105k you know if you if you start to be able to please send me a dm
yeah because that'd be really dope yeah no but. No, but if you're willing to buy the product at $105,000, why wouldn't you buy the product at $60,000?
That's the part people can't comprehend.
What the fuck to change, man?
No, no.
What changed is it's going to go to $20,000 or it's going to go to $0 because of tariffs.
That's what changed for them.
All of a sudden, it turned from me buying at $105,000 to I can't buy at $60,000.
I'm going to wait for 20 because 20 is
gonna happen why is 20 gonna happen because this guy on twitter said so i'm gonna say
the lana coded i'm gonna say that like the biggest hedges for other countries with their preservation
to capital always is that if something were to happen in tariffs and all that stuff they're
gonna hedge by investing in american markets because that's what's thriving or they invest in crypto because that's going to go against the uh the rate of
inflation that's going to happen worldwide and the weakening of their currency that's the whole
point of crypto to hedge against that and if you understand that core fundamentals you shouldn't
be freaking out the tariffs are here and things are going the way they are it's only further
solidifies the direction in which you need
to go and it minimizes the the other things which trades and you know holding your dollars and all
that stuff it's the whole point i mean you you should feel more stressful when prices are up
than when they're down yep you should be like where should i be taking profit versus what you
know when they're down you should be like man i'm getting good
entries what do i need to buy yeah that's how my mind works versus a lot of people's right like i
just i'm literally like i go into and i'm like dude there's such good pricing on a lot of different
things right now what do i need to buy and other people are like oh my god the money i put in the
market is that okay are you selling your 401k every other week no so what are
you talking about and if people say oh i don't have a 401k okay well i can tell you this if
you're investing in crypto and you have no money for your future and you're buying mean coins and
you have nothing else that you've bought as far as asset wise that's probably not the smartest idea
yep you're the problem here.
You need to learn to invest long-term instead of short-term.
And expectations need to come in time. And understand that for us to make 20% on a regular investment takes a year or two years sometimes.
Or even three years sometimes.
And you can do it in crypto in the span of a year.
And even more than that.
So it's just like setting your expectations at the front end of things that's what really matters instead of like
instead of using people as scapegoats for your poor decisions and your poor and your ignorance
in the decision you make right you got to actually educate yourself and further understand it because
this is a time that you should be picking up a book, reading about it, and then verifying whether or not your knowledge and your experience
and what you've understood about the market is correct and accurate
before you go out there and jump on other people
because you can't control other people.
You can control what you understand and what you can learn overall.
On that note, 100%, I agree.
I'm going to break out like a rash, but I just want to say we also can just like, we can also just fucking learn.
Like instead of being the ones that are getting fucking used as fucking exit liquidity, let's just fucking get the knowledge.
Let's figure this shit.
Like I'm just fucking shocked that the information that that gets bigger and bigger and more access
we have to it we're still getting fucked like it's just fucking crazy to me and i'm not listen i'm
when i came into this place a couple years back i i didn't know shit and i could tell you right now
i still don't know shit but i tell you what i know. I don't get into shit unless I look that shit up. Cause there's no fucking way. There's no way
we're all fucking smart. And I'm telling you right now, it's not any, anybody in the, everybody in
this room is fucking smart. If you have a cell phone, you're fucking smarter than the fucking
president 10 years ago. Like the knowledge you have right now is unbelievable that we're still getting fucking fucked like this.
It should not be happening.
But you know what?
You live and you learn.
If you can take this as a fucking lesson.
Listen, life isn't life is about this, right?
You don't fail until you're fucking dead.
There is no failure until you're dead.
You keep doing shit. Just keep fucking moving forward you're fucking dead. There is no failure until you're dead. You keep doing shit.
Just keep fucking moving forward and just fucking learn. Knowledge is your fucking key
to success. Your fucking key. Anyway, I love you guys, man. I'm out. This is always a great space
and fucking profits will be good. I'll see you guys on saturday peace love francisco have a good one brother appreciate you
yo always appreciate it og go ahead cam was good no i was gonna say just pick it back on what he's
saying like the best the best thing that people can do is like definitely when it comes to crypto
at least i tell people like at least learn the charts like learn to like where you want to get
in where you want to get out learn what's want to get out. Learn what's going on.
Because, I mean,
I feel like a lot of people,
they say they're getting fucked or whatnot,
but it's just like,
a lot of this stuff is just like,
working off of,
I always talk about levels.
Learn your levels.
Learn how to read the charts
so you don't blindly invest in Twitter influencers
or whatever they talk about.
Learn for yourself. That's the best whatever they talk about like learn for yourself
that's the best thing anybody could do is learn for yourself like I don't listen to nobody on
Twitter anybody on Twitter if I do listen to anybody on Twitter it's like you know like
what people talking about with meme coins or whatnot but when it comes to like technical
analysis what the majors are doing the best thing to do is just like learn how to read level so you just not panicking and panic selling or whatnot um because you know like it's it's it's
a lot of money to be made but at the same time like you can lose money if you don't know what's
going on if you blindly following the wrong people on twitter so like i don't know i will i don't
know actually i would love your perspective on this
because now that you've been on Twitter,
I done converted your ass over here.
I see you building up and shit.
You're getting that attention.
No, but you've obviously been trading similar to me
for years before Web3 was a thing.
We come from futures, trading Forex and shit like that.
Now that you've been here and you're like god damn profits isn't crazy these motherfuckers are
weird what's your perspective on um the way you go about trading and obviously your information
knowing that there is a world over here of people that are just giving out dumb ass shit like doesn't
that make you want to be better and just give out more valuable information? Cause it's like, I can't believe there's a world. Uh, and I'm not even
the smartest person in the room. You guys hear, you guys ever hear me do DTA? No, I'll bring in
Will, uh, or, or somebody else that I think is, is decent at it. Um, but I get it. I understand
it. I get the basics and I've always have. And so when I came to Web3, Crypto Twitter, and I'm like, holy shit, do these motherfuckers don't even have a trading view? Do you guys have trading view? Like, so I would love your perspective as like, kind of like, I don't think you're a normie, obviously, but you definitely, you know, you're not a little CT rat, which is great. You know, any advice to the people that may not realize there's a world outside of
crypto twitter for crypto information yeah only listen to web3 exposed because all the other
stuff is kept everything else is kept like a lot of these people i'm not gonna tell him to say that
by the way i didn't tell him to say that yeah you didn't but yeah for real like a lot a lot of this
is like will talks about it all the time too, like engagement farming. That's very real.
People post stuff because they need engagement because they get paid by Elon.
So at first I didn't realize that, but now I really realize that people will post wrong info just so they can get comments and just different things, which is crazy.
And people really follow people.
I don't know.
It's a weird, like Twitter is very weird.
Like Twitter is he very weird. Twitter is
hella weird.
Elon's created
a space where people will
lie to your face so you'll click on
their shit. They'll say the
opposite direction of what things should be doing
because they know it will get you to engage.
Because they need...
I think what they need, like 3 million
views every quarter or something like that?
5 million.
Yeah, 5 mil every three months.
It's not even views. It's impressions.
It's complete bullshit metrics.
Yeah, it's a joke. It's a complete joke.
It means that it creates a threshold that's practically impossible
for people who basically aren't viral.
And if people are viral, what is the information they're giving you?
They're likely information that's being highly manipulated by whatever they're doing, right?
Unless it's something that's on a stable thing like SPX or Bitcoin.
They're probably not manipulating those assets.
But if they're telling you a mean coin or anything else, it's something they're manipulating highly because their impressions in their follower count.
Yeah. People don't realize they're getting signed up. That's exactly what it is.
Yo, hold on. I have a perfect analogy. You guys know I'm the goat of this.
Think of this, ladies and gentlemen. If you were on Instagram from the years 2013, 2017,
from the years 2013, 2017, me or somebody else may have tried to sell you a Forex program,
a vacation program, a juice, snake oil, one of the above or all of the above, right? Maybe even a
water machine. I was a little creative back then. Shout out to Canyon Water. So remember those
traders, those Forex traders, and this is when i start to die out and i just left
because i just couldn't deal with it anymore um remember when they would wear the rolex watch
they're in miami beach riding in a bentley i did this from trading i did this all from trading
yo you don't even know what a real withdrawal is or not you don't know what a demo is
motherfuckers are even screenshotting demo accounts not realizing
that those that truly trade
know how to determine a demo from that.
The point is, think of that
now. Now
marketing and Web3 and fucking
CT and KOL this
and KOL that, that
is equivalent to
that. That's all. That's what I want to say.
That's what I want to say.
And that's why a lot of people, they can't.
Because leverage trading, I'm not going to lie.
This is a leverage traders market right now.
Some real shit.
This is like.
You got me in my bag, brother.
I just loaded up the account.
Let's get it.
Yeah.
You see what we put in the chat.
And you see what's going on with Bitcoin right now.
Look at Bitcoin has just hit 74. And you see earlier today. What we put in the chat and you see what's going on with Bitcoin right now. Look at Bitcoin has just hit 74.
And you see earlier today, what we put in this morning.
Like 80K?
Yeah, exactly.
That's like leverage.
People, they're used to like, you know what I'm saying, manipulating meme coins because they can.
They can with their power, their influence.
But when it comes to like the meme coins dying, like leverage trading, like, that's when real traders come in.
And that's why you see a lot of people getting liquidated because they can't trade without the influence that they have.
That part, dog.
If you just migrated that grifty energy to do some fucking charting a little bit here and there, you would never tweet again.
You probably won't even give a fuck for the internet because you're like, damn, I just cracked the gold mine.
I learned how to trade.
All I got to do is click long, click short.
I'm sorry, Will, you were going to say something.
Go ahead.
No, no, that's exactly it.
People are looking to build a follower
so they have a bunch of people that can follow in behind them
so they can liquidate on them.
That's basically it.
There's a lot of people in the space that do that shit,
and there's a lot of people who want to do that shit.
You see it every day.
And I think a lot of people that want to do that shit you see it every day um and i
think like a lot of people that engagement farm do that kind of crap like it it's not worth your time
and effort learn a skill set right like learn a real skill set if you want to trade trade if you
want to long-term invest long-term invest but don't don't blindly follow 100k accounts don't
don't blindly follow me like i i should ideally for anybody out there just be an
indication of my thoughts. And you should take that with a grain of salt. You should only take
that as an indicator. You should never take it as I'm going to trade on what we'll say.
And I think that if you do that and you find a solid amount of people that can give you
solid advice on market direction and levels and everything else, you'll ideally come out on top.
I mean, you could even take my support levels that I typically talk about.
You could be like, all right, I'm going to take Will's support levels.
I'm going to measure them against what I think and what I think is this
and what he thinks is that, and maybe I'll play somewhere in the middle, right?
And you could use it like in that way.
But like blindly following people in the trade,
so they're like, oh, this coin, Jigaboo coin.
It's the next coin.
Everybody get in.
And then everybody jumps in.
And then all of a sudden you're going to get right.
William, what the fuck is a Jigaboo?
Look, my bad.
It's first word to can.
I'm about to do it on Puffine, bro.
Let's do it.
I'm allowed to say it, though.
But yeah.
So anyways, you know, it's random ass shit.
People pop up with the most random shit on the timeline.
And then, like, I don't know.
I feel like the believe in something, I think that it's a good statement,
but I feel like it's abused by a lot of people, right?
A lot of people use it as a way to say, oh, just blindly follow me.
Just blindly follow me.
And you shouldn't be doing that ideally either.
And again, I'm telling you guys openly, you shouldn't do that for me.
You shouldn't do that for anybody.
Just find solid people in the space that have good trading advice, I would say to a degree,
or trading intuition.
That's what we'll call it.
Because I've done some solid stuff in the past.
And people are like, oh, nobody's buying Nike.
Nike's not going anywhere.
It's a good brand.
And I've talked about buying Nike as a long-term play.
And I know people don't like that kind of stuff.
But I try to keep it as real as possible when I'm in this space.
Whereas a lot of people will just tell you what you want to hear versus what could be solid advice for long-term ports.
And I think that's the difference.
Bugaboo, not jiggaboo.
Nico, go ahead.
You know, I cooked my food and ate it.
That's how long I've had my hand off.
But anyway, somebody-
I hope it was yummy.
I hope it was yummy. I hope it was yummy.
It was all right.
It was all right.
Not bad.
I'm going to survive.
That's about it.
What do you call it?
Somebody mentioned Murad earlier, right?
Yo, somebody posted his fucking spreadsheet for dummies the other day.
And I was looking at it, right?
Yo. spreadsheet for dummies the other day and i was looking at it right and yo i don't know about all of them but the majority of them the all-time highs that he gave right disgusting yeah yeah but
listen to this they're like if they're like 90 down even at the all-time highs that they made,
do you get what I'm saying here?
Like, even at the all-time highs that the tokens made,
they would have been 90% down.
All-time highs in January.
All-time highs in February.
All-time highs in March.
Maybe all-time highs in April.
But, no, but the whole thing is,
like, everybody was saying this guy's a fucking genius,
which really, like, all he was was in the fucking telegram group.
He was in the right telegram group.
That's it.
I don't have enough information to back up anything on chain per se.
But let me tell you this.
Luna, don't start with me right now.
Let me tell you this.
You know, my 2021 hunch is saying that this guy watched from 2021 to now.
All of us, including me, highlight the dumbest motherfuckers in this space that called out the dumbest shit in this space.
I know we all remember Boom and all that dumbass shit.
And he said, fuck that.
I'm going to get on these big, relevant tech stages.
Because he does have a decent background, apparently.
I'm not going to act like he's decent. He's smart, I guess.
And he said, I'm going to shill my master spreadsheet of all my bags
that I'm probably invested in on all ends, not just liquidity.
Again, no proof yet. Whatever. I'm sure shit comes out in the future.
That motherfucker won. I'm sorry.
He won the cycle. I haven't heard
a motherfucking Murad take ever since.
Nobody even talks about him anymore.
I'm not saying he didn't win. What I'm saying is
don't follow what the fuck he's saying.
At the time that he's posting this shit,
he's saying it's going to fucking 100x
or whatever. Oh my god.
You can't...
One trillion dollar market cap yo there was
yeah there you go that too but like yo there was some shit where he was saying one token was going
to make it to 30 billion dollar market cap i'm like what the fuck like isn't solana like a 30
billion dollar market cap like solana's gotta be like a 400 billion
dollar market cap for that token to make it there like what is what are these numbers that he's
talking about here you know what I'm just gonna add to this uh when it comes down to it right
and tech valuation and all that stuff you guys ever read up on on how much the actual business
is producing and how much the stock is worth today everything's
overvalued the reason why don't get me started on the reason why everything's overvalued and the
reason for that is because they need to overvalue it so you feel that you're early right it's human
psychology but to that point everything was crazy when people were saying 30 years ago that this
this house was going to be worth a million dollars
one day and I'm paying 30,000 on it and today the house is worth I mean that we have houses in
Silicon Valley that people bought for 15,000 and that thing's worth 4.5 million you know what I
mean and at the end of the day yes it's true that he overvalued things and he's running it like a
business and you know what when he says oh it's going to be this bull cycle he's shaking out the jeep and not validating anything he's doing it's just like it's business
at some point he's going to pump the charts because that's how it goes with a lot of these
things and he's going to pump the charts after everyone's shaken off and they get they get tired
of following him and everyone's just because the product here and somebody referenced nikes right
there's nike the shoes that people buy and there's nike the stock that people buy there's uh people that buy
apple the product and apple the stock those are two different things right the people that buy the
the stock could care less about the product they're just looking at narrative and they're
just trading off that and they're ta and guess Guess what that is? Mean form. Same exact thing.
You just think about it.
It's just repackaged differently.
So the main product that you're producing here
is community to follow your charts
and actually making a chart that looks good over time.
Right?
And to the point with the celebrity coin,
somebody also referenced my ID, right?
What's essentially happening with celebrity coins is that
a celebrity calls it up kind of like easy easy shoes and people are bullish about that and they
buy it and they sell it and they buy it and they sell it eventually somebody's going to be stuck
with those shoes if you think about that that concept you can then understand that hey man
like you you follow the celebrity they drop something, you bought their goods,
and you move on.
Sorry, you're stuck with that bag, but that's it.
Don't think about it as investing.
Think about it as you buying a product
and you just overpaid for your product.
What can we say?
So, you know, the people were,
oh, you're paying $5,000 for fucking easy,
$30,000 for fucking easy.
How much are those shoes today?
Are you pissed that you
paid that much i mean it is what it is sorry man you follow celebrity drop you hold on to that and
you just have to think about it in those perspectives because honestly people don't
zoom out sometimes and think about what their actions are they're just falling in height you
know anyway no great great points, I hope you keep coming back
to join us in the spaces
and let's get rich together this cycle.
I have a good crew here
we created over the last few years.
Always nice to add to the crew.
What's up, Brandon?
Yo, that's good.
Just wanted to say
a couple things. Somebody said just keep
acquiring knowledge, keep showing up,
keep just outworking everybody.
I'm not going to say what it is, but I got a DM today that absolutely proves
that that is true.
If you want to succeed in something, you got to love that shit.
You got to show up every day.
You got to keep learning.
Another thing, too, it's like, yeah, man,
and I think we've all become painfully aware of this at this point, but that, you know, there are ways to make it in the space other than memes.
And if you're, you know, if you're someone who thinks that's the only way that you can make it
in the space, I strongly urge you to reconsider. And, uh, least of all, follow these people who
are showing you tickers nonstop.
I mean, some people can be bullish, you know, like they're bullish on something.
But if they're promising you they know what's going to happen, they probably don't because nobody does.
So, I mean, yeah, man, it's just about you got to find your own conviction.
You can't borrow conviction from other people, you know.
You got to formulate that on your own.
You got to do your own research. You got to figure out what that on your own. You've got to do your own research.
You've got to figure out what you're bullish in.
You've got to figure out your own investment thesis.
If you're looking to other people for it, or if you're looking for people to tell you what to do and when, you're going to fail.
It's not that hard to make your own conviction, really.
You just have to listen to the people who tell you where to go, not what to do.
You just have to listen to the people who tell you where to go, not what to do.
So things like DeFi Llama, things like CryptoFundraising.net, things like Tweetscout.io can give you insights to what projects are doing, who's behind it you look at the TVL, you look at the developers, you look at the protocols on Sui, their TVL, how they stack up against, you know, things on Ethereum, things on Solana, things on Binance.
You know, that can give you a lot of information.
I know, I know, I know fucking guys who literally just trade based on DeFi Lama.
They use DeFi Lama exclusively to find out when, you know, when things are going to pump or, you know, what, when there's particular hype around something locally.
There's a, you know, there's a lot of resources out there and fucking, you know, some of these people on, on, on Twitter are not, I don't follow really big accounts.
I try not to, I did a massive purging of my following and it's mostly the smaller,
it's mostly the smaller accounts, you know, 20, 30 K, you know, I, you know, I think the only
like million accounts I follow is like Ben Cohen or like Ralph Paul or something. But, um,
I don't know, man. No, the manipulation, I don't pay attention to people's followings like I used
to. Um, especially now that there's so many people, but the manipulation of the following
is, is I'm, I don't care for followers anymore.
I stopped looking at that for relevance a long time ago,
because I couldn't believe how many people I've seen.
And now there's like little things you could put people's Twitters in.
People are so dumb.
You just bottled your shit from fucking 10K to 60K.
I'm all of a sudden not going to, yeah, whatever.
Anyways, you could see that.
But Locke, what's up you're had your hand
up you knew to the stage i don't know if you're trying to troll me but welcome what's going on
what do you mean sorry dude uh it's funny you're talking about the botting and then like you asked
me but uh i i actually got botted i just the account had a lot of you know people that i engage with and i didn't want to
start a whole new one just be like fake you know like it got bought it like you get in a couple
of these discords what do you mean by that you know your following got bought it no you get in
a couple discords that you know people just spin your shit in their stuff like i don't know what
like i guess you could do that, but
like, you know how, like, much you
open yourself up to when you, like,
seek out someone
to bot your account? I think
when you become verified,
you get just... Like, I remember getting
like, blasted with a bunch of, like,
DMs about it.
And it's just like, I can't imagine, like, reaching
out to someone and being like hey
i mean especially through x like but i'm like when you speak in these different
discords and stuff like people just share your and it goes away it fluctuates
like it might be 45 it might be 20 it might be 30 but i guess you're right that is kind of whack
that somebody would be like oh i'm to pretend to have a bunch of followers.
I don't have a bunch of posts and engagement.
I don't know how long you've been on the app.
Unfortunately, I've been on the app since 2021 consistently for 15 hours a day.
And I've seen about everything.
And so there's – let me tell you this.
nobody is going to spend that money to bought your account that thinks you're the goat or they love
you or or even worse they hate you maybe a little bit don't get me wrong i've been attacked on my
account plenty of times because of you know the things i say here that people don't like
but um but yeah i'll digress on that i don't care to go back and forth on the thing but you you had
your hand up i thought you had to take i wasn't technically how much is it like doesn't that cost
a lot of money to get just like blasted with a bunch of doesn't that it's
like it's like 20 bucks dude oh okay no but then it'll wash off i'm talking about the people that
bought it and then you know they spend the extra money for the for the following to save and they're
not going to engage with you but um with this account man like people just send it
into the mix and they just they'll be like oh and you have no idea how many things that are just like
attached to your shit man like it's it's insane like you just you just turn it off after a certain
point like who in the fuck would actually think that people would believe like if you weren't in
like talking or doing anything that some people would actually believe you that you have don't know then some look at that as uh
that's like some sort of validity you know even or or they're following somebody right and they
just like try to infiltrate some shit yeah what's up hold on sorry there are some people that pay
for engagement and they actually reply within the engagement.
There's some decent AIs out there.
Oh, no.
There's some good ones.
Yeah.
And it's not automated.
There's the crackhead prices, high-level prices.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You got to figure out what...
I don't think it's...
Sorry.
I mean, speak openly.
I'm sorry.
No, it's fine.
It's all right, Lock.
Might have to rest like I do.
Burns, go ahead, me. I'm sorry. No, it's fine. It's all right, Locke. Might have to rest like I do. Burns, go ahead, man.
Back to you.
So what I was going to say is once you have, like, started to understand the bots and the manipulation, it's like walking into the fucking matrix.
It literally is.
And once you – I mean, it's simple stuff, too.
Like, if you don't know how to do it, like like go to a big account and see if they post it.
And this is like, this is how I DYOR
when I'm buying shit or I'm following people
or whatever it is.
If anybody's got, if you have 10,000, 15,000,
100,000 followers and you're getting no comments
and like 6,000 fucking retweets and all, you know, 6,000, you know,
fucking retweets and all this craziness, it's botted.
It's so easy to see.
People fuck with each other.
They think it's funny.
They'll be like, oh, shit, there's only 20 bucks to watch this.
This motherfucker's DM is going to get blasted.
This account's gone.
People really do it, and it's because if you can't read it,
if you can't see into the matrix and see
the bots, you have no fucking clue. You just say, Oh man, this is a huge account. This is fantastic.
Like, I mean, it just is, it's really, really straightforward once you get it. But like,
I would spend anybody out there, go and spend a half an hour, look at big accounts and then
look and see is the majority of their posts, actual content. Like I post real shit.
Like, you know, my takes aren't fantastic necessarily.
I have a security company.
So like, it's a lot of security stuff,
but you can see that it's real engagement.
It's real people.
If you look at the network of like the actual followers,
they're real.
I mean, like I get bots that follow me.
I do my reply guy thing.
I say GM.
There's tons of bots that say gm there's tons
of bots that say gm because there's like this gm army um but if you if you spend 20 minutes and
just do some research on on like what what it looks like to see real engagement versus fake
engagement it really truly is absolutely eye-opening 100 and i've had a bunch of them
scraped away in like chunks before and then like depending on like i said where you go
what discord is like you talk to people like they just they think it's fun like this account's like
one of those ones i let go of but i'm not going to just start another account just pretend i'm
somebody else you know what you know i'm saying? It's almost sometimes, and maybe half of it,
is people just fucking with you.
Twitter's actually
really bad for this stuff, bro.
Notice the streamers,
right?
The streamers, they have
thousands of people
and there's no comments.
Are you serious? That's not
normal.
You get what I'm saying here like if you've ever streamed yeah that's exactly like you could barely read the
comments you gotta be really good to fucking sit there and read the comments and actually
fucking like answer these people you know so like trust me it's something about this app
like everything about it just drives me nuts.
Like, I really don't think – like, impressions actually will.
To get 5 million impressions, it's not even that hard.
People just sit there and, like, reply guy type shit.
And it's all because they get the view or whatever, you know?
So, like, the way everything –
Yeah, they reply guy on other people's shit and boost their shit
it's annoying i don't want to do all that shit that's yeah but i gotta say guys and they got
boxed if you spend a little time doing reply guy shit and you get monetized suddenly x is free for
premium it's fucking fantastic because they just pay you like you can you can stop doing the
bullshit it doesn't take very long to do it.
And not in a manipulative, creepy way.
You just reply to funny memes and shit like that on big accounts.
And then suddenly Elon's paying you to just be alive.
This is what happens when on Tuesday nights I try to go along.
Because it was great.
And then I start getting charitable. And just, you know, and just letting anything fly.
Cam, go ahead, brother.
Last take of the day.
Oh, no, I was just going to ask, like, because they were talking about this reply guy and engagement.
And I don't know what I'm doing wrong on Twitter, but I get no engagement.
I get no love on here.
It gets me very sad.
No, you do got to, it's a little crackheadish. I'm very sad. Oh, it's crackheadish. You got to be, right now, you're at a sweet spot. I'll no engagement. I get no love on here. It gets me very sad. No, you do got to. It's a little crackheadish.
I'm very sad.
No, it's crackheadish.
You got to be.
Right now, you're at a sweet spot.
I'll say that.
I told you this in the beginning.
Once you pass 1,000, it's like, all right, not necessarily a weirdo.
You might not be fake.
You might be real.
And then the next level is like, who does this guy think he is?
You know, everything next level in his bio, you know, tweeting him in his
damn room and his charts.
But now if you really, really want the engagement, you already know you could always come through
here and talk.
And but I'll say this, I was saying this to somebody earlier, I actually almost forgot
this.
But, you know, my following was built off of spaces.
I was like, like, disgustingly in a space, like seven hours a day
from like 2021 to 2023, uh, giving, adding context, like trying to give my takes,
whatever it was, obviously running a show. And it would be like a hundred plus followers in the
bull market. Bear was a little less, probably like 20 to 40. Even now it's not the same anymore,
but I think it's because,
uh, I'll say this. I, now I'm purposely trying to go in different rooms. Like shout out to one
for putting me onto some people in Sui. Cause now I'm like hanging out in those spaces and
I'm actually scrolling the spaces bar more, which I never do anymore. Uh, but I started to again,
just to pop into new ecos, new communities and yo, there's actually a lot out there. So a little advice
camp, because you are knowledgeable, just pop
into other spaces
that are not mine. I'm giving you permission.
Yeah, I don't trust anybody but you.
I literally don't trust anybody.
No, honestly, this is how you learn. My Nick, this is how you learn.
Shit, then we have more than fucking one wolf
in the motherfucking crypto Twitter
streets, but not pop in.
And yo, sometimes if you feel something,
you could always shoot me a message like,
yo, you've seen this person before
and I'll always give you some sort of something.
Nine times out of 10, unfortunately,
I know about them or fortunately.
But that's my advice to you
because I know your brain and you're smart.
You're not like just coming in here blindly.
You have great insight actually.
And I think people could absolutely learn from you.
So, you know, hop around, just do your thing. Granted granted I know it's not your priority but unfortunately that's a little I'm
not gonna front bro if I had to build a follower right now it'd be different like I'd be I'd
probably be showing more ass because this is hard bro this is this is not easy to build the follower
count of granted the follower count is not as relevant anymore either so I'll say that but
anyway only fans I'm doing onlyans. That will grow it first.
I do spaces sometimes, bro.
You're always welcome to come up on stage with me.
I do it with Lucas sometimes,
Blockchain Boy, or
sometimes I just do my own.
You ever see it, man? Just slide on through.
That Blockchain Boy fella.
He does OnlyFans.
He's a good dude, Frankie.
That Blockchain Boy fella.
Yeah, Lucas. He's a good guy. He's a good dude, Frankie. That blockchain boy fellow? Yeah, Lucas.
He's a good guy.
He's a good dude.
I like Lucas.
He's a good dude.
Vet on profits.
I think I've heard of this name.
He's a builder in the space.
He's also real tight with Default.
Default's got crazy lore.
If you know, you know.
That's a scary lore. I'm going to digress now.
We'll go ahead with the last take of the
deal.
I just want to
say, Cam, just so you know, once
you reach that 2 to 3k mark,
you'll start getting haters.
You'll start talking shit to you in the DMs. Just deal
with them. And then
go ahead and move forward from there. Once you hit like 10k you hit a wall and then people really start hating you and saying
that you're a scammer but that's just how the space works if you don't create nft projects
and uh scrape off 2.6 mil 1.3 mil from time to time, you are the scammer. That's basically it. That's how this game was played.
Luckily for me, I had a different situation where I think people thought they were going
to fund me out of this space because of just the way I am and the way I talk and whatever.
But then when I passed the Ks, it was like, yo, Profits, I fuck you.
You're dope as shit, bro.
I think you're awesome, man.
I fuck with shit, bro. I think you're awesome, man. I fuck with you, bro.
You know, like, you know, I be feeling that shit you say,
even though I won't tell you publicly,
but I'll tell you in person when nobody's around.
You feel me?
So you get a lot of that, too.
So just stay true to you.
I think that's the best fucking alpha.
But, yo, this was a banger fucking space.
Thursday is another banger space.
Tomorrow we're off.
Your girl got to touch some grass.
Like, comment, repost. Thursday space is pinned banger space. Tomorrow we're off. Your girl got to touch some grass. Like, comment, repost.
Thursday space is pinned to the top.
We have a special guest pulling up.
We have Frankie coming back, giving us alpha on what he's on, what he got going on.
What else?
What else?
What else?
What else?
Oh, oh, I have to show this.
Yes, it's fucking happening.
Something is.
We are dropping something. Yes, it's official,
not a meme coin, but we're dropping something. And on Thursday, if not Friday, there's going to
be something for you to take advantage of so you don't miss out. So yeah, little alpha, little,
little alpha there. It's been a banger. Thank you, Cam, Nico, Frankie, Chess P, Capo16, Burns, Girl in the Verse, of course.
Save the best for last.
Actually, Will, thank you so much.
Everybody, everybody.
Joe, Tommy, Fire Green, Jatoshi, Max.
I see you guys down there.
The fucking love is real.
Genuinely appreciate you because you could come in here on Anonymous.
You could come in here on Others.
And you could come in here on a fucking
all and, and you know what? You don't, you pull up and you, and you fucking support. So thank you.
I appreciate you. It means the world to me. My dog appreciates you. I need to provide for my dog.
This makes me thrive. This allows me to not crash out on the timeline because you guys allow me
to have conversations with you. And guess what? You're not sensitive or soft.
You have the conversations right back with me.
We love that shit.
We love that shit.
Good night, guys.
Peace out.
Drink water. Drink water. And all the lumps with cherries, fair to people, not the dumbest man, Retail that that is just the lumps with cherries, fair to people, not the dumbest man,
