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Recorded: June 17, 2025 Duration: 1:23:10Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic discussion, key players in the crypto space explore upcoming partnerships, project launches, and the burgeoning market for real-world assets in DeFi, highlighting significant growth opportunities and trends shaping the future of blockchain technology.
Full Transcription
Thank you. It's a revolution. Oh Who am I?
Hey, see ya.
The worst is over.
The monsters in my head are scared of love Funny people
Listen up
It's never too late to change your life
So don't let them steal your life
Don't let them break your stride
Like I'm the other side
And you'll see all the rain drops
Gotta be the solution
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This is my vibe today.
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See, I overate at a very big rate.
Yeah, I'm overweight, but it ain't no big.
Because I'm over-freshed and guaranteed to pass on the UFC concert.
Huh?
M&M.
What about that?
Yeah, I don't fucking know about that.
6.59 p.m.
Easter.
Welcome to the show.
We're about to start in about 97 seconds.
It is a great day to be great. It's a it's an even better day to not be a sucker. Don't be a sucker.
Web3 is full of blood suckers and you don't want to be one of those people.
It's really nice. It's a really nice
day today, man. It's a great day.
It's a great fucking
day.
Yeah.
I mean, like,
I gotta be like just lying there to the shit, you know?
I was popping that quick style when a lot of y'all niggas
thought it was bitch, you know? Wearing that platinum shit y'all niggas thought it was beer and shit.
Wearin' that platinum shit when all y'all chicks thought it was silver and shit.
I got to give you the final end of this shit.
Bottom line.
Look at y'all the door.
Check.
Yo, I spit that other shit.
That's a nice motherfucker shit.
Spend time follow me around.
You cover shit nigga.
You bear money. I'm all year money. I'm poppin' you, bedtime follow me around, you cover shit nigga, you bid money, I'm all
year money, I'm poppin', you ain't gotta count it, it's all live money, I never change money
cause niggas got strange money, knocked up, mocked up, fucked up in the game money, I
got bail money, double excel money, you got flash now, but time will reveal money, I spit
the hottest shit, you need it, I got it shit, that downside massive heat, bout it, bout it
shit, I got blood money straight up.
That brown paper bag under your mattress.
Drug money.
You got show.
Go little to no go sell a bunch of records.
And you still owe dough.
I got 996 plus four.
Modo.
You crazy.
You could get the logo with no. I'm Loco Widow Popo.
Trying something new today.
Will doesn't really like it, but it doesn't really matter uh we're only streaming on kick we're only streaming the video on kick today um x is great you know x is awesome
maybe i'll turn it on but no i'm gonna start it off with kick first i want to see i want to see
some i want to see some uh let me see is he is he even in the fucking stream
oh there he is look at his face right there oh there he is um seven o'clock on the dock
i'm in my drop top cruising the streets uh if you were born in the 2000s you probably
don't know the song and it's fine it's okay We're on nervous! Alright, we're live! We're live on kick!
Woo!
Woo!
It's 7 o'clock on the dock I'm in my drop top
Starting the stream
Woo!
Let's go.
Yo, real quick, um, hmm.
Real fucking quick.
Did you guys see the fuckery on the timeline today?
You're probably like, what do you mean?
There's fuckery every day.
Ha ha.
LOL.
You're right.
And a dime fact.
We're the payback.
You're right about that.
When he's taking you and taking all your money.
Give me the will.
Give me the will.
Give me the popper. Give me the will. Give me the will. Give me all your money. Give me the will. Give me the will. Give me the profit.
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Oh, shit.
All right, all right, all right.
I'm going to stop fucking around.
Happy Tuesday.
I hope everyone's having an amazing day.
We have an awesome guest here today. He's not only a dope-ass startup founder,
but really deep in the DeFi world and I think can just drop a lot of knowledge on us today.
We're going to have a nice conversation in just a few minutes. We got permissionless in a few,
like literally less than a week and a half. And there is a lot of exposed media energy that's going to be spread around
at a few events.
So I'm going to be retweeting, posting, and tagging here soon.
We also have an actual mixer that I'll be hosting next, not this week,
obviously, next week in New York.
So I'll post some links and all that good stuff here soon.
And a quick announcement.
We're going to be doing different themed shows on different streams.
To be honest, I'm just sticking to kick Twitch and Abstract and obviously Twitter.
But I'm just trying stuff.
There's nothing wrong with the multi-stream, but I think it's important to dive really deep into one platform for a second.
I'm just trying to test some shit out. All right right i'm just trying to test some motherfucking shit out so that's what i got going on if you have anything you want to
mention talk about um anything you are always always always more than welcome to drop it below
as well as uh come up and talk if you want to talk as well. The best thing, though, is that you don't shill any bullshit.
Because if you do, I'm going to torch your ass.
Literally, torch your ass.
Torch your behind.
So just a quick warning so you don't feel surprised.
Like Nico, he's always surprised that his ass gets torched.
And he knows how this show goes.
I have no idea why he's ever surprised that his ass is torched uh and he knows how this show goes i have no idea why he's
why he's ever surprised that his ass is getting torched
literally like i mean where's my lighter rope that's what i got the lighter here for the torch
nico's behind um stick that you know what i'm gonna tell you nico you know i'm gonna fucking
tell you um so lots of cool news I'm going to fucking tell you.
So lots of cool news today. Looks like Thailand is the place to move. No taxes for the next five years. Nah, that's cool. That's what's up. I mean, I feel like a whole bunch of people said
they're going to Dubai last year. Now you can go to Thailand if you want. There is a ton of energy I see being like, energy as in
like protocols and dApps that were not relevant even three months ago that are starting to become
relevant. This Kato, Cookie, Quacks, all these platforms kind of allowing incentives for protocols and companies
to pretty much form attention i think it's cool it goes direct to source uh you know you put up a
pool it's like it's like uh the people that do clipping you know there's there's opportunities
there's people that stream and they're really like high up and they like pay bounties for people to
clip up their fucking crazy stream clips.
Right. Because it's more constant in the timeline. It's more recognition of who they are.
Right. All this is tying into the pretty much this like renaissance of what's happening, this revolution rather of what's going on with social media.
um so much has changed just in the last five years um I remember 12 years ago
So much has changed just in the last five years.
being on YouTube was like whoa why are you on YouTube or like starting off was just like cringe
or showing a video like all this has emerged so much and the common denominator here is obviously
going back to AI but uh if you're if you're creating
if you're like if you like streaming if you like doing any content or anything there's gonna just
be circles ran around you if if you don't get more creative with like how you go about stuff
obviously staying true to you is very important but I don't know that I've always led what I do
with like what's something of interest topics of conversation here mainly come from private conversations or uh or creative
conversations that happen publicly uh and privately and i and i like to bring things up not not like
i'm saying i'm private like you know airing out private information i'm talking about just things
that i just happen to have a conversation about, whether it's marketing, businesses, startups,
social media, and I bring it here. And then I like to get other people's perspective and then,
you know, kind of dive into it that way. But there's been all this shitty,
like, talk on the time I was literally in the middle of the summer, dude, we're in the middle
of the summer, Bitcoin is chilling. We're in a fucking, we've been in the same pocket for like, what, 30, 40, 50 days.
It's going to continue to kind of be that way.
I love when Will does his flexing on the timeline.
It's my favorite thing ever.
That's what he's doing right now.
He's letting you guys know that he's not to be fucked with.
No, he's super humble, though. I'll let he's not to be fucked with um no he's super
humble though i'll let him get into what he wants to get to get into in just a second
we have a special guest here that i'm gonna introduce right after will goes into his segment
if you didn't know now you know this show gives out money every single day self-funded
self-funded i will obviously share when you, there was a specific sponsor or somebody giving away money.
And if that's you, pull up to my fucking DMs.
You want to give away money to the audience, definitely are allowed to do so.
Now, if you're shilling a coin that's like 73 cents market cap, like, just get the fuck out of my face, right?
Obviously, be a real product or a company of some sort before you dump into my DMs.
to be a real product or a company of some sort before you dump into my dps um but without further
ado we are going to pass it to the one the only the number one ad analyst on this app will what's
good
i wouldn't say the one analyst first off uh there's a lot of good analysts. We're going to go back to that conversation many times, I guess.
But what can I say?
Today played out pretty well.
So, we talked about it.
We discussed the role.
A lot of people continued to say we're going higher, yada, yada, just to break out.
and they got completely flushed on this move.
And they got completely flushed on this move.
Again, this is something that I posted on well before
we ended up in a situation that we are in now, right?
With this whole war fiasco thing.
Again, I don't think wars,
as much as people want to believe or don't believe,
I don't think they're historically bearish
like a lot of people think they are.
Historically, if you go back to most war situations they tend to be more bullish than bearish just short-term bearish long-term bullish um just by the way the market reacts every time
we've been through a war situation i don't know that we go into war i don't care to discuss it
to be honest with you as far as like from a market standpoint like if you like
oh i feel bad for blah blah that's fine but from a market standpoint it's just almost a nuanced
conversation that a lot of people like to discuss that really has no place um i i would say you have
better odds just paying attention to what the market is doing and i think up here at the highs
basically like we discussed before we
were kind of like in a rolling pattern um even though it looked like we were peaking back up
it was almost like a like a ramp up move to create more exit liquidity at the end of the day
so the market shifted down shifted back up but now it's shifting back down again the hard part
for a lot of people even myself right at the moment is to figure out if we're
going to break this low um if we end up breaking this low then we have to get below 100k so if we
don't get below 100k my thought process is we're going to sit here and range basically between 100k
and 109 that's where i think your high and your low is at the moment um so nothing too crazy at
the moment but again if you break below 100k and you start hitting like 99 98 it's very there's a
pretty good chance you could you could dip down to the lows of the previous consolidation range
which will bring you into the low 90s if that ends up happening um ethereum itself that's another
tricky one too um i think eth Ethereum is going to roll here.
It's got a lot of selling pressure on the WIC side of the candles.
My thought process is telling me 2100, 2200 ETH is kind of your bottom range, your support range.
You can always break through those ranges, but I don't try and bid below my current support.
I don't try and bet below my next support.
So 21, 2200 is where I would say you would go if Bitcoin rolls.
Again, it's really dependent on Bitcoin.
And then in addition to that, a lot of people, again, came at me about Spy when I told them basically at $6,039 that SPY was going to likely roll.
And now we're kind of seeing back-to-back red candles at the high here.
Really low trading volume on top of it.
That's kind of the other thing that's kind of wavering on markets
is the trading volume is really low.
We can see that volume is actually kind of ramping down a bit.
And what I would like to see is I'd like to see some kind of roll into this gap because I'd like to see that gap for actually kind of ramping down a bit. And what I would like to see,
I'd like to see some kind of roll into this gap
because I'd like to see that gap fill around 5,700.
If you're going to gap fill around 5,700,
like a lot of this is more statistically based off of
if we get a 5,700 gap fill here,
we get a Bitcoin move over here.
As far as Bitcoin swinging the lows here,
I'll definitely flip bullish low 90s Bitcoin.
I'll definitely flip bullish 5,700 SPY.
Now, here's the thing with Bitcoin at the moment.
I'm not bearish on Bitcoin.
I'm still spot long.
Just every time we get up to that 109 range,
I'm basically taking short side positions
to be able to offset the
uh downside potential that could happen here so i have liquidity to buy down here if we end up
coming down down to these 90s i would also you know if we can get down to these low 90s i would
also like to punt a couple longs down in here and see if i can catch that next wave back up
um overall you can see the structure of the market as a whole you know 92 would bring
us right back into the trend we've got a strong uptrend full market trend macro wise it's looking
pretty good um you got a bottom over here in 2022 a bottom over in 23 bottom over here in 24
and likely we're just kind of playing the same low over here in 25. August expectations are the upside,
Q4, Q3. That's what I'm looking for, for upside for a lot of these markets.
EL, something I gave you guys literally at $62. This is a stock play, high cap,
really low risk, good dividends, so on and so forth um currently sitting at 75 looking really good
again you flip the 75k range or 75k 75 dollar range you can basically break out all the way up
to you know 150 maybe even like 106 somewhere somewhere between 106 and 150 will be the two
ranges i've been looking for but i think it'll chat if it can get through the 75 dollar range right now we're pressuring that so it doesn't mean we flipped it yet so we have to
flip it support um if we continue to pressure this and break through you know i think call
side positions will do fairly well um this is something i gave out pretty low and ideally if
we can flip this range this will be a big range to flip this is basically the
bottom of the move before the market actually bounced and actually moved up really heavily
back from 2016 all the way up to 2021 and if we can get back above that bounce range here
which is the 75 dollar range i think the single will do very well um so very bullish on that pltr something i gave out roughly around 13 right down in here
and you can see well i did give it out a little earlier but i was really announcing around 13.
um you can see right here we're basically sitting at 138 that's a 10x on a stock even though people
are trying to get a two or three x out of crypto again, it's not just crypto You can make money you can make money on both sides of display both stocks in crypto
So this one looks looks pretty good so far
I don't expect any type of downside at the moment
Evie's are kind of signaling pretty well, too. I do like the flow on Evie the volume starting to ramp up, too
Which is really nice
We were in like a low volume state for a while now
we're starting to get in a higher volume state which means that likely we're catching some kind
of bid on the ev market rivian looks really good uh neo has a bolded playing out on the high time
frame also so if you pull out neo you look at it from this perspective rsi is peaking right ramping up price is dropping down
that's what we call a bull div could you come back down and revisit the low for sure it puts
you on three dollars 344 um so again just another solid looking stock i think we're just gonna we're
in for some volatility going into q4 at the end of the day that's the way i would look at this
and i wouldn't look at it any other way really um i think if people are patient enough kind of dc and then they'll be fine um
having some cash to the side just in case you get that little dip and then if you don't get that
dip into the range as i discussed likely you're going to hold up here which means you should be
positioned either way whether you get the dip or not you should just have something ready to
jump in if you get the dip doesn't mean sell should just have something ready to jump in if you get the dip.
Doesn't mean sell here to buy lower because I think your sell here position is always around that 109, 110 range.
If you're looking to kind of play the range, at least that's the way you should be playing this as a trade.
And then your buy here is anywhere around 103, 102 roughly as your loan range.
is around 103, 102, roughly, is your loan range.
But, hey, what do you think is, going into Q4,
do you think anything new comes out?
Like new coins, new meme coins that flourish?
I mean, there's always going to be a new meme coin,
but what are we really looking for with those at the moment? Well, because Q4 is going to be flat. Everything's going to be a new bean coin. But what are we really looking for with those at the moment?
Well, because the Q4 is going to be flat.
Everything's going to be bullish.
Yeah, just buy your conviction, please.
That's what I would tell people.
I wouldn't chase new shit.
I would buy things I know, personally.
I guess that's just my own perspective.
You literally called this meta with the um influencers launching coins
razzler's coins at eight milton yeah i told you it was gonna happen remember we had this discussion
on the live yeah i told you everybody was gonna launch i was just gonna say there's just not a
uh back in the day i feel like it used to be like yeah let's just cover everything and let's just
get over everything let's get on everything and now it's just like i don't think it's worth it
anymore chill yeah it's i i told you this too when we talked about it i said it'll be a meta that'll
run for a bit but it'll die down it'll die down i think they'll be your winners that that come out
of it right like i think likeainsey will be a winner.
I think a few other ones will be a winner.
But I think overall, though, you got to look at it from the perspective of
it's going to become over-diluted at a certain point.
I mean, you just had Franklin launch the other day.
Oh, buddy.
When's the last time you bought an NFT, Will?
NFT market's not really doing much right now.
Will, did you know the Bored Ape Yacht Club NFTs
are trading $7,000 more than a pudgy penguin right now?
I can believe that.
I can believe that.
Here's the thing.
There's going to be a lot of flip-flopping, I think, of NFT projects.
It's just when does the market really want to bid them?
That's the question that you got to kind of look for.
I don't think we're there yet, but I think there'll come a time for it, right?
That's why I've been heavily avoiding new new launches and new projects,
just because I think a lot of them, I can get them a lot cheaper than what they launch at.
I have a quick question.
All right. And this is for profits, really.
I'm shocked between Dude Big Chicago and Will that they haven't shilled this one token that came out all right i'm sure
you know what i'm talking about but the thing is like i think the last time i checked it was
like 30 or 40 million market cap but like what token they're both into midgets so there's the
bullet token on binance uh bro what who said was into midgets. What? Because he was going for the fucking, what's his name?
What?
The dog, the fucking Barsic.
That's why.
Oh, the coin that I did like 3,000.
Nah, but Chicago's into different kind of midgets.
He likes, like, women.
Yeah, I get it.
I get it.
But, like, I figured maybe they would go for it.
Even though he's not a midget, but whatever.
He's different.
Yeah.
Thank you once again, Nico.
Hasbulla is a dwarf, not a midget.
Yeah, but this token is not doing what Barsic did.
I think it's fake volume, though, because it's on Binance.
If it's on Binance, I don't know if I trust it, to be honest with you. $100 million in Binance. If it's on Binance,
I don't know if I trust it, to be honest with you.
A lot of sketchy
shit that happened with Binance.
Wait, Binance or Binance US, Will?
I mean, either
or. They're both one
and the same. The chain.
Their
smart contract chain.
Binance smart
chain, I guess
are you buying any poverty pictures
absolutely not
I learned my lesson last time
I'm not doing it
what's this
picture you got right now
yo this is
a wartime picture bro I've seen that shit i've seen a lot
of people wearing it he's the wartime picture yeah yo bro people are at war i'm just here like
you know i'm trying to see this bitcoin go to 200 bands man i'm not really like
yo i'll be straight up with you i don't even really trade coins because I suck at selling.
Like, I'll just keep holding it
thinking it's going to go higher
and, you know, like
it doesn't seem to work that way.
It gets to a certain high
and then it's like, bye.
Look, I told people the other day
when SPX double topped,
I was like, yeah, you need to go ahead and uh
you know tp some of that that spx 6900 yeah bro listen i'm a long-term holder in that
mog pepe and a couple other things just because like i don't know where the top is bro like i told you guys yesterday bro you're like the one
you're like the one person i feel bad the most for because of the whole clonex uh
fucking nike thing don't feel that bad yeah but yo but like that's like when people say they feel
bad for me on that bro it's because you guys think i didn't make money i made money i just could have
made a lot more money you know what i'm saying like if i didn't keep that shit in pfp and i
would have had another like 270 eth in my wallet and i could buy like whatever spirit of zuki i
want like that's a fucking a poverty picture i put money into because like i can actually do
some shit with that
i get it but the whole thing is even i would have been bullish and nike bought it you know
like and then they decided to just table the whole thing so yeah like i think it was a smart
decision though i mean let's just let's think practically here wasn't the worst business
decision from nike's standpoint i gotta like empathize with them. Like, you know, they got these kids wrestling around, wasting time,
wasting money, you know,
looking cool on camera,
not delivering to the community.
So they just wipe their hands up.
What are you talking about, Hong?
I'm talking about the founders.
We got the shoes.
Not the community, the founders, bro.
The founders were fucked.
You see what you did, Nico?
You see what you did?
You caused mayhem.
Like dominoes.
How the fuck are you unmuting through the mute?
It's like dominoes.
One person does it, they think they can all do it.
I want to do something real quick.
I want to test something.
We got fucking seven viewers on kick.
This is better than my first day at Twitch.
I'm staying here.
Let's do something. i want to do something because i know not all of you guys are on kick and i know you have the
fucking app and it's not even that hard you don't even need to go to the app you could just watch
it on the fucking on your on your on your browser if the first person that comments on the kick
stream and tells me what my hat is it is very obvious you should know the
hat the hat came out very recently from a very well-known artist if you know the hat i'm gonna
give you i'm gonna send you 40 in solana right now that 40 in solana can get you and 10 family
members mcdonald's for tonight and i heard the chicken wrap just came back apparently i heard
that in another space you you say McDonald's?
Chipotle, whatever you want
some people have a lot of family members
they can't just go salmon
and chicken thighs and shit like that
like you do Will
I'm trying to teach these people how to stretch
Tomahawk steaks
I want to go to my special guest here
he not only has a beautiful PFP, this guy is smart as fuck.
He's super smart.
I've learned a lot from him just knowing him in a short amount of time.
I mentioned this app yesterday, Nettyworth.
I was shilling the shit out of it, talking about DeFi.
And a lot of you had some positive things to say,
and a lot of you had some positive things to say and a lot of you had some negative things to say.
No, I think it's more the understanding of DeFi overall, but we're not only going to talk that,
we're going to talk startups. We're going to talk about actually running a business. I believe
July is a two-time founder, which is pretty impressive and he's pretty young. And so I'm
excited to hear from him and kind of get into it into i know he only has a few minutes so without further ado i want to introduce my boy july to the stage thanks for being here how
you feeling thank you thank you feeling good feeling good let's go how's you got the glasses on
if you know you know um nah man uh first of all would love a quick intro of yourself uh flex to the max too
because i'm not going to do the good justice flex to the max got it got it when you when you know
when you started in crypto when you started in web3 starting in as a founder as a you know as
a business overall and and actually finding product market fit with what you're doing so
please without further ado introduce yourself yeah thank you thank you. Thank you. So yeah, two-time founder, former fintech executive. I would say in my early 20s, I started my first startup where
we were basically focusing on logistics and geotargeting locations. So like identifying what items people would order beforehand. So let's say if you're
in Miami, we knew what items we should have in a warehouse near you. So that business ended up
selling to like one of the largest motorcycle companies in the country. And then I was in my
fintech role where I was helping a bunch of companies scale, grew their revenue,
some of these companies 2, 3x. And then I was an early adopter and investor in crypto and
collecting PFP, art blocks, et cetera. And one of the big things that I had issues with was at the time we were using apps like NFT5 and Arcade. And we found
that when you were trying to borrow against your assets, it was very slow. Like you would just put
up a request and sometimes you could wait two weeks or three weeks. And a lot of these loans
were being done like OTC. So right over the counter. So that means
they already knew maybe a bar and a lender already communicated, and then they were going to do a
loan. So because of our fintech background, I started looking at this space and saying,
all right, there's a lot of broken elements here. So one of the things that we did was we scan
wallet data. So when you connect your wallet to Netiworth, we're scanning your wallet to identify which assets qualify for a loan and also how much ETH you're holding so you can become a lender.
imagine if you're maybe playing a video game or you have a bunch of apes or mutants, whatever it
is, and you'll just get an alert that says, hey, profit, you can now borrow $5,000 for this asset.
So you weren't looking for a loan, but now a loan is being presented to you. And the same thing works
on the lender side. So if you're holding a bunch of ETH, we're just going to keep sending you alerts
so you can lend that ETH and actually make a
better yield. That was like one of the first things we've identified. And then the other part was
we started looking deeper into this and said, okay, what if we looked at a wallet like your
credit score, right? And this wallet is a unique identifier to you as a user. And what if
we scanned all the DeFi marketplaces and understood how many times this wallet has taken out loans
and defaulted? And what we created was NetiScore. And NetiScore tells lenders how many times a bar
has repaid their loans. So it gives them effectively a repayment rate. So there's a
lot of folks that created like credit scores for Web3, but there was no use case for it. In our
case, what we understood was, okay, let's build an AI loan infrastructure that is basically going
to power the new assets of loans, right?
Of on-chain loans.
So anything from digital assets to RWAs.
And we started looking at NFT specifically, but we're quickly expanding now into like RWAs.
We're even looking for partnerships for like invoice-backed loans.
Like there's just incredible things that are going to end up happening on Nettyworth's side.
So yeah, that, that, you know, that's just like a quick recap of like where we were and all that.
And I want to highlight to everyone, I'm originally from New York, originally from Brooklyn. We ended
up moving the company, which was one of the greatest decisions I made a year and a half ago
to San Francisco. So Nettyf's headquarters actually right next to
like Coinbase, OpenAI, like Visa's headquarter, you know, so some incredible folks. And that was
like one of the, I think, most important things because a lot of times people think like,
oh, you know, how's crypto in SF? And one of the biggest things I encourage is
like, no, like you don't understand. Everyone that's important comes from SF. Like it's not
New York. It's not another place. If you, again, just if you do your history on like Coinbase or
even XRP, even when Vitalik was actually growing Ethereum and the funding on all that
side. There's so much history here. And I think a lot of people just don't know because San Francisco
has a weird way of not talking so much about what it does. So yeah, I just wanted to highlight that.
what it does. So yeah, I just wanted to highlight that. Why do you think that is?
I think over here, so if you look at the majority of capital for the venture side that's allocated,
I think it's around 75 to 80% comes from here, the Bay Area. I think it's because there's nothing
to prove. So you'll hear a lot of cities,
like I'm a big fan of Austin, but you'll hear like, Austin is going to be the new tech hub
and this and that, because Google's going to open up an office. That's actually like,
people don't realize that tech and startup are not the same things. So like startups,
what San Francisco has with obviously Stanford, Berkeley, the Bay Area of all the
venture funds being here, a bunch of the family offices are also here. I just think they have an
ecosystem of talent that no other region in the world even has. I think Professor Galloway said there was more wealth created in San Francisco in the last six months than the last 10 years in Germany.
That's kind of wild.
Yeah.
That's very interesting.
I'm going to jump right into why do you think, and I'm going to let Will kind of come in after, why do you think July DeFi overall kind of, like, let me back up a second.
Let me back up.
I feel like in 2020, 2021, we had what, DeFi summer and all this shit, right?
Like, this was like a thing and it became like London.
like london and then obviously we have also a lot of tumultuous moments with like luna
ftx and all these like weird shitty things that occurred in our in our space but why do you think
defy overall um i don't i don't want to say it has a bad name but i feel like it's it as much as
there's so many gamblers in this fucking space how come it doesn't have a better like i feel like
more of like attention on it am i like why doesn come it doesn't have a better, like, I feel like more of
like attention on it. Am I like, why doesn't it have more attention on it from like retail?
Yeah, I think it's because the space needs to evolve, right? So like, think of DeFi started
where you could borrow and lend against your tokens, right? Like Bitcoin, Ethereum, etc.
And then we saw a change where you could borrow against these assets, right? Like NFTs. And then we saw a change where you could bar against these assets, like NFTs.
And then what we're saying, what we're looking at and what we're very optimistic about is what
happens when real world assets get on chain and they're leveraging that NFT technology.
And I think that's where you're going to start seeing the masses. So I think if
you look at any adoption, right, like there's a problem with the UX UI, there's a problem with
the efficiency or, you know, how, or how fragmented it is to actually do this. And then there's like
regulatory issues, but, but if you actually pay attention, look at what's happening, right? Like
Bitcoin, right, obviously is now mass market. And everyone in the world thought, oh, this is so
amazing because people are going to use Bitcoin to send their family money and all that. And it
really ended up becoming stable coins. So stable coin has a better adoption than Bitcoin,
right? Like USDC, right? On that side. So if you look at it, it's like there's a barrier to entry,
but with time, the technology just becomes scalable. So like even for us, we believe that
like NFT loans is a, you know, it's a $5 billion market already,
but we think invoice back loans on chain for businesses, that's $150, $250 billion market,
right? Imagine if someone in El Salvador could say, hey, you know, my monthly invoice for my restaurant is $20,000 or $10,000, and I just want to loan at
50% of that. And then anyone in the world could go lend on Nettyworth. And basically,
what will be held in collateral is his future transactions. And I think, yeah, there's a lot
of work to that because there's still things there that we have to iron out. But really, once's a thing of like, you're just going to see
RWA, like people are going to be lending on that slowly. I think it's just going to be an explosion
because institutions are going to come in right away. They're not going to allow just the open
market to play around with billions of dollars and they're not participating. So I say that,
the whole thing of DeFi summer, what it was and all that, participating. So I say that, like the whole thing of like
DeFi summer, right? Like what it was and all that. I just think it's like the space needs to grow.
I mean, we think of it like this, we're collectors, right? Like I'm a big art block lover,
right? Yuga holder and all that. But like I saw, I was sitting there seeing companies like NFT5 and even Arcade not develop anything new for two, three years.
Nico, if you don't have a good question for July, I'm nuking you.
the whole thing with the real world assets though i've spoken to a few people about this
um and like professionals like one kid was selling i call him a kid he was probably in
his mid-20s late 20ss. He was selling vintage watches.
That was his whole thing.
And he was actually talking about tokenizing them in some way.
Just because it would be easier to lock the money up until the watch gets there and all that stuff.
What's the other example?
Oh, fine art uh so i would be cat driver in new york and i used to
talk about this all the time uh i used to actually talk to like art dealers
yep and i they didn't understand the whole art portion of nfts and i told them you don't really
have to but you can tokenize the current
art that you have in some way, or like what you're talking about, how would you deal with that?
With the, let's say real world assets and. Yeah. Yeah. So that's a, that's a great question. And,
and, and the, on the watch side, we're like, we have a tremendous knowledge on there, but
so basically think of maybe two, three years ago, you had Proof who was tokenizing watches.
And what you would do is you would send the watch to Proof and they're still around.
They authenticate it so they make sure that the watch is real and then they tokenize it.
And when they tokenize it, you could now use that NFT to go borrow against that watch.
So I think what 4K was doing was well, like very good.
But what's happening now is that there are RWA projects that are only focusing on watches,
only going to focus on sneakers, only going to focus on art pieces. Because the process is
a human has to send their item, the item has to be authenticated and then stored.
Once it's stored, then they create the token.
And then that token could be leveraged on our system.
So I think the power is that three years ago, there was 4K and maybe like a few other players.
I know Profit is very familiar, but but even Brinks is now involved with tokenizing
and holding the asset, storing it. So I think what's going to happen is you're just going to
see hundreds of companies that are doing this, which is actually going to help the entire
ecosystem because it depends what part of the world you're at or what region you're located in.
what part of the world you're at or what region you're located in. So I think that's for the
physical thing. But I think the RWA that's going to grow faster than all of that is RWA in the
terms of invoicing. So think of logistics and truckers where they're like, hey, I'm going to do this route and I have an invoice for this
and I don't get paid until maybe 15, 17 days later. And they could get access to maybe USDC
in like 24 hours or maybe an hour, et cetera. So we think that the RWA that's Going to grow is actually Not even just physical it's
Just more like
The way the current web
Two world is broken with
Invoicing and paying
People out and things like that
I think that's going to be the easiest thing
Because you don't have to authenticate or
Store a physical item
This sounds like Something like a payday loan in some ways,
in some certain ways. Yeah. Yeah. So if you, if you look at what we build, or if you look at like,
again, NFT five arcade and all that, we're in essence, it's almost like a pawn shop.
Now the, the, someone could look at that and be like, oh man, that's horrible, right?
But actually, this is one of the things that I said in a recent interview with London Real Ventures
is what this does is it allows more capital to come in and compete, and it creates capital to
become more efficient. And if capital is more efficient, then these are no longer predatory loans. Why?
Because someone's like, hey, I'm okay making 8%. I'm okay making 12% on this loan. I don't need to
make 29% on this, right? So what you do is eventually you remove the payday people. You
remove the people that are predatory on invoicing or paying merchant loans for
companies. You remove the pawn shop that's saying, hey, I have a Rolex Daytona. You go in there and
they're like, well, I'll give you 10K. And you're like, what are you talking about? The watch is
worth 32,000. But now when you're in the global market, the market gets to participate and say, well,
you know what? I'm a hundred percent fine with giving you a $20,000 loan for that.
Will, can you do me a favor and share the stream, share the spaces on the, on the screen?
stream share the spaces on the on the screen um this is will's favorite topic if you guys can't
tell he's very uh he's very excited to talk about d5 um not yesterday i feel like there was a there
was a little there was a little bit of a uh what's the word um pushback when it comes to trust and
things of that nature and i feel like overall there's,
um, there's always ways to find that out and everything is not for everybody. You know,
um, the number one thing I hear from coming out of July's mouth is trying to solve a problem,
right? Trying to, you know, it's okay that everything is not for everybody. Um,
so as a whale or somebody that has a lot of liquidity, you know, what if they just don't like putting their money somewhere else or putting their assets on another platform?
Well, July, what do you think?
on Aave that are like, hey, we want to move over to digital assets because, again, it's a $5 billion
market for blue chip assets. I think it's very simple. There's a yield for putting your crypto
to work so you can make money on the APR. If the LTV is low enough and someone defaults on their loan, well, then there's an upside
because you make more money on that, right?
So again, think of it, right?
If a board ape is 11 EF and you do a loan for six, seven EF, you could still go sell
that board ape at the floor and make incredible returns.
Some of the liquidity providers that we've met, I think what's amazing is like,
they're like from Latin America. And I'm like, wow, when did you guys start? They were like
two years ago. We started with like 70 grand. We're up to like three, 400,000. And you hear
these stories and you're like, wow, that's pretty amazing. There's another company called Drip
Capital. I think they're managing over like anywhere between $3 or $5 million also from Latin America.
So I think this is very basic. It's just numbers. So whenever I hear someone say,
I'm not into DeFi or I'm not into that, it's like, well, are you into making money? Because
it's just numbers. It's like, do you want to put your money to work and if someone defaults could
you leverage that even to make bigger gains what's up will you back oh i'm here uh honestly
i can't wait to introduce you to july whenever whenever that may be i know you don't leave vegas for shit will but he's actually a pretty good dude stand-up dude um both have
beards so i feel like there's some sort of relation there but um what would you say to
that will like uh you know you don't want to make money you don't want to stake your your money or
or what's any any response to that i mean i i guess it all depends on like how you make money
with your money the the the thing is like there's many different ways to make money with your money
i'll never i'll never tell anybody they shouldn't choose defy as a method but i what i will say is
like to make money in an area you got to be pretty much an expert in it especially if you're going to
leverage a lot of money and so i'm not a lever i'm not an expert in defy especially if you're going to leverage a lot of money. And so I'm not a lever, I'm not an expert in DeFi, so I don't, I don't mess with it.
Right.
And I've watched a lot of DeFi funds fall through, not saying all of them do, but it's, it's
enough to deter me from wanting to play on that side of the, of the field.
And so I just simply invest and I, you know, leverage the market as I see it.
And I feel like I make just as much as I would anywhere else.
The, there's nothing wrong with the lending, right?
I think lending is a great high risk, high reward play in a lot of ways on the default,
because the thing is you could loan again for you know like like you was saying is uh you
could loan for like six eath and that ape at the time could be worth 11 eath but by the time you
end up getting it through and the loan default it could also be worth 60 and now you're trying
to sell an asset for the value that you loaned out and i'm not saying that that's going to be
the case, right?
In a lot of cases, I feel like the leverage side there is like,
I think they have a pretty good one.
Some was like, you know, 50% is the maximum we'll give you and you wouldn't expect a market to tank 50% or more.
But there's always that possibility that some markets can,
especially in crypto, get very volatile, right?
And so we have to understand that too.
So for me, again, I don't think there's anything wrong with it.
Like I like the idea.
I like the thought process.
I just don't understand the nuances and the tricks
that a lot of people utilize on DeFi.
And then also, especially with like locking money.
I was going to say, do you think it has anything to do
with the fact that you have a youth and you can't really lend it anywhere because it's not really that valuable anymore?
So, Will, I actually loved the points that you highlighted.
So one of the things that we do with liquidity providers, and by the way, anyone has access
to this.
I want everyone to know because a lot of the folks that are contacting us, they're almost
like they're whales, to be honest, right?
Like these guys are trying to, they're trying to put like a million dollars to work in an
ocean.
But one of the things that I will say is what's so cool with us is the minute a
lender wants to work with us, what we do is we'll end up sharing data that we end up getting,
that we update daily. We actually teach them how to lend and what assets they should focus on.
And we really walk through that process. And the reason why we do that is
because it's the same process, whether someone wants to lend a million dollars or 20,000. Like
we just had a lender who's lent 52, this on the smaller scale, but he's lent $52,000 in the last 45 days. I think he's done like 25 loans, only one or two defaulted. Um, but it gives
you like an idea of like, we're also like very open to working with someone because as time goes
on, I really think that the average person that, that one single user that has five, 10 Eve is
going to get left out because the guys that are playing this game,
they're trying to go deep. And almost like how Will said, they're becoming experts in this field.
And most of these loans are short-term loans. So they're 15, 30 days. So again, it helps with the
risk of the asset being volatile. And some of these lenders are willing to do a 15-day loan and do like a 70% LTV or 80% LTV just because the loan is so short term.
You got to watch out for Will.
You got to watch out for Will, though, like if he wants to lend on the or borrow, because he's got a full bag of fucking Utes
that he needs to get rid of.
July is smarter than that. I don't even think
he takes any D-God assets.
Here we go.
You had me out with the fucking Utes, bro.
I don't know why...
Real quick, real quick, hold on.
All these New Yorkers on stage,
nobody knows how to act right now.
There is a giveaway happening right now on behalf of Nettyworth.
They're giving away another deed.
Literally like a $500 asset.
You don't have to fucking like Yuga, hold it.
None of that.
Literally just giving away another deed.
NFT.
So go ahead and engage with the tweet of Twat.
I just put it up there.
Like, repost, create a Netdie worth account comment your username and you will be instantly qualified to enter and the giveaway will be called out on friday then i just gave away like 300 last
week pretty wild um all right nico you can go back in, brother. I like how you responded to people in the comments.
Are you being sarcastic?
Did you read the comments?
Which fucking comments?
We have like seven streams happening right now.
Huh?
The kick ones.
Let me go to kick.
Hey, Will, did Crowns ever make it from... I'm sorry, did Crowns ever make it from...
I'm sorry.
Did Crowns ever make it from...
Oh, the Crowns.
Oh, you put always was.
That's crazy.
Hey, did they ever make it from alpha to beta?
Dude.
I don't know, bro.
I don't want to hear shit about nothing.
Yo, hold on.
Real quick.
Isn't it a public service announcement to fucking OX bread guy down there?
Motherfucker made a career literally on this show.
And he cannot read a DM for fucking shit to save his fucking life.
He's over here going on Dancing Eddie's streams.
Everybody's fucking streams.
But my fucking streams.
Crazy work, bro.
Crazy fucking work.
So this is my public service announcement to the most
tatted individual that I've ever seen in my fucking life. Bro got tattoos on his ass.
How do I know? He posts on his fucking Twitter. But anyway, thank you. Thank you for listening,
Brad. Alex, I saw you have your hand up. These guys don't know how to fucking shut up.
Oh man, I'm done here being entertained. But no, I was going to say, well, how do you go from a zero to expert if you don't start tinkering with it?
Like if you don't start playing around and testing things with small balances to try to learn.
Why try and change up your skill set when what you already have going works?
Opportunity, brother.
It's opportunities.
How did you get there, Will?
You just woke up one day and said, I woke up like this?
No, you tried stuff.
Are you getting older?
Is that what's going on?
Like you're getting settled in your ways or something?
Getting settled.
The more you spread liquidity around, the more risks you're taking on.
It's more things I got to monitor, i gotta pay attention to especially if the market starts crashing liquidity becomes an issue and we get a
liquidity crunch the first things that get basically destroyed typically are defy
so then i gotta i gotta offload all my assets and got to start moving money around and a bunch of other shit.
I've already went through that.
I went through that in 2021.
I'm not trying to go through it again.
My brother has a story.
That's what it sounds like.
He has a story.
He got burned.
2021 sounds like.
This is a safe space, William.
This is a safe space.
Look, I made money.
I made money. All right? I didn't make all the money i wanted to
though that's the problem at the end of the day uh we all know what happened 2021 i started off
loading when i was telling people to get out of the market and a lot of people were not willing
to listen at that time but i started liquidating a bunch of shit that I would have liked to have
sold a lot higher,
but I got screwed over on a couple of different DeFi platforms.
And I even got liquidated on some shit that should not have been liquidated.
So that was another thing too.
Wait, what does that mean?
You should have not been liquidated.
Why the fuck?
I was,
I was leveraging some NFTs and they liquidated me on the platform.
So it's one of those.
Was it any D-Gods NFTs by chance?
No, it was. I had a bunch of those.
What's it called? I guess they're probably Polychain Monsters now.
Not really were much anymore, but i had a bunch of those they were called pokemon at the time and i had a bunch of
assets on there were like 15 20 30k a piece and i had like i think like a couple hundred on there
and they liquidated me for half of them wow nico go ahead bro what's up so the floor price must have
pretty much gone down a lot for them to liquidate you but
before that i can't see who's it was a fluctuation in bitcoin's price that drugged the market down
for a moment and they liquidated me on and it wasn't even my liquidation they hit me on but
they still liquidated me uh yeah i don't know what to say about that but two things i don't know. Yeah, I don't know what to say about that. But two things. I don't know whose speaker up here.
Like, I can tell when Saul is Saul, because, you know, Saul is Saul, so whatever.
But, like, I can't see anything else with the co-host.
Like, I can only see host and two co-hosts.
Number two.
Yo, why are you talking shit about New Yorkers?
You're going to be here next week.
No, I'm not talking shit at all.
I'm just saying when there's so many New Yorkers on one stage, it gets a little rowdy.
It's a little rowdy in this motherfucker.
That's all.
She'd be in a realist, bro.
Anybody have any feedback on DeFi or anything July mentioned,
please don't be a punk now.
We talk about everything when nobody's here.
This is obviously not a problematic conversation,
but I'm just saying I would love feedback,
any type of responses to anything.
Ain't no way you guys are more interested in a fucking L3 or L4 or a 10 than you are
actual DeFi, the sector.
Ain't no fucking way, right?
Hunt Club, what's up?
Yeah, I'm very interested in L3s, by the way.
But I also have a question because I'm a, I'm very interested in L3s, by the way. But I also have a question because I'm a borrower,
so I use Blend weekly, I would say.
And it's very simple.
I know you mentioned a couple of other competitive lending platforms,
but obviously Blur is the leader.
Why would it be more convenient for me to go to your website
and use it as opposed to just going on blur and taking, you know, 0.02 or 0.01% APY or something stupid low and just move it about my day?
It's like super quick, super easy.
The market knows it.
Like, how are you going to pull me away?
Yeah.
So, great question.
So, we actually have over 200 projects whitelisted.
So right away, more users are able to borrow against different type of assets than even Blur.
The other thing is we have the highest loan offers as of right now.
If you look at Blur, Gandhi, Arcade, NFT5, I believe the only one that we don't have a higher loan offer
is on CryptoPunks.
But if you own a Pudgy, a Little Pudgy,
a Mutant, a Bored Ape, a Kukat,
a Deadfellas, World of Women,
any of these assets,
right away you get access to more capital.
So there's more-
Just as an example, the Azuki right now,
it's a two ETH available loan. How much is, how much is it on your side?
Yeah. So I could pull that up for you. So I'll definitely pull this up right now,
but what I'll tell you is, so there's a white list already where again, you could borrow against more assets on our system. Also, right now it is.
Give me one second.
So right now we have 1.5.
So, again, this is something that we're updating.
You're saying that Blur is showing 2 ETH on a loan?
Yeah, Blur is showing 2 ETH on a loan right now.
And the APY is not predatory. And at 1.5 ETH or 1.4, whatever, like you have, it's 0.02%. So what's your rate at 1.4 and change?
And the APY is not predatory.
At 1.5, the rate is 25 to 35%.
Annually or daily?
No, annually. Annually. Annually. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So,
and just to highlight, we're not the lenders. So these are liquidity providers on our system. So
we do try to work on updating this. But again, if you were to look across the board, most of the
highest loans are coming from us. But I'll say this, there's barring and lending alerts. There's the netty score,
which allows the liquidity provider to even give you a higher LTV that we have. And the main thing
that I think it's very important for everyone to understand is that netty worth, even though it has
a marketplace, it's an aggregator. So what that means is other companies could build on top of Nettyworth. So that means if
you're think of Pudgy, Deadfellas, any of that, there's some partnerships that we can't announce,
but there are companies that will be launching their own loan marketplace and they're using
our infrastructure. And the reason that we created this is because it aggregates liquidity across all markets. Why is this important?
Because think of, I'll give you a perfect example. Pudgy Penguin is right now the community
responsible for about $1.2 billion in loans. But the actual founders, right, if you look at like
Luca and all that, like they don't make any money from any of those
loans because their users are going to different platforms. If they were to build using Nettyworth,
they'll now get a percentage of the fees we collect and it'll end up going to their community
or the creators, right? However they want to split it up. So that's one of the main things
is that if you look at BoardApe, I mean, BoardApe tremendously, like was probably responsible for like $6 billion in loans over the last three
years. Yuga hasn't made a dollar from any loans. So again, we're in infrastructure. And what that
does, what that means is, I know you're looking at maybe blur, it's like maybe just NFTs, but we are going way beyond
that. So like we have agreements again with companies that are doing like logistic invoices,
companies that are doing high-end horology watches in Singapore, companies that are doing
real estate, a fractionalized ownership. And that's the difference between if you look at a blur and a netiworth.
We're an infrastructure for loans.
So what we like to say is the way Visa and MasterCard is the infrastructure for payments,
our goal is to become the infrastructure for all on-chain loans.
Do you have, like, I guess two questions.
First one, if you have a way for people to, like, provide liquidity with a credit card or something like that to onboard all the normies.
And then another question is, do you have some sort of like incentive program or points program that you're offering to kind of draw people in to take a look?
Yeah, yeah.
So Nettie Points goes live at the end of this month.
And you're going to get rewarded for a few cute, like cool things like for borrowing, lending and for the first time paying back your loans on time. So we're working on a partnership with a card provider,
where when someone takes out a loan, the actual borrower, so it's almost a little opposite.
So we're not really focused on the lender from that side as a normie, but it's more the person
that borrows will be able to have a digital Netiworth card and they'll get their USDC instantly so they could go do whatever they want with their loan.
So we're focused more on the other side because we don't have a liquidity problem.
We just want to make sure that we provide this frictionless experience for borrowers.
Yeah, I feel you. I mean, as a borrower, I just, that's why I wanted
to ask some questions to see if it's like worth the time, I guess. Maybe borrowing against some
other assets is dope. The points program is dope. And congratulations, obviously, on the other sides
of things. Have you done a raise? Have you, how much did you guys raise? Yeah, yeah. So we are VC backed by Outlier, London Real Ventures,
Blockchain Founders Fund, Casey, a bunch of YC guys. I mean, the list is like, it keeps going.
So we raised 2 million on a 10 million post. We are doing our next raise, which it's going to get
announced at the end of the month, but it might not even reach the time to close. So we're working with some big players that are getting involved. Again, the main thing here is we will have a token in the future. And the reason to say, hey, you know what, I'm interested in Nettie is because we're an infrastructure at the end. Um, so yeah. So again, look at it like that. Like, um, what blur is doing
is, is amazing. We give them a lot of credit, but you're really talking about, they're doing
loans for about 12, 15 collections that like, uh, to highlight Gandhi already surpassed them in market share. So that's the whole thing here,
is we're on the infrastructure side, but we do plan to make some incredible partnership
announcements over the next few months coming in. Gabby from YGG invested in us. This is one
of the biggest gaming infrastructures in the world. The way he saw it was every game in the future will be using
Netiworth so users could bar and lend against gaming assets. My bad. I was in the middle of
tweeting. Those are good questions, Hunt. Appreciate you. And Julyuly thank you for coming to the show and dropping some
knowledge on everybody i feel like this is calm context and information that uh is not really
like we're most not we're not privy to and you know there's thousands of things in our space
being created you know um and a lot of stuff is uh you know i would say you could take advantage
of it you know now unfortunately if you bought d I would say you could take advantage of it,
you know?
Now, unfortunately, if you bought D gods and youth, you can't really do anything with those
assets at the moment.
And you probably defaulted on those loans.
I know I defaulted on the, you thought I was paying those fucking loans back.
I got it.
What the fuck?
I'd rather pay that code alone.
That's not even worth anything anymore.
I have another question.
I bet you do have a fucking question.
You're going to give me a second.
You're going to give me a second on the motherfucking question.
Eight o'clock on the dot.
Wow, it's been an hour.
It feels like it's not even been that long.
If you haven't commented, reposted the room,
there's a strong chance that you have, you know, some baby daddy drama.
How do I know that?
Because it's so hard for you to like, comment, repost the room.
Maybe you have somebody yelling at you on a day-to-day basis.
It's because you don't do simple shit like liking, commenting, and reposting.
You probably go into people's houses and just go straight in their refrigerator.
Don't ask them shit.
You just go straight in their shit and eat and drink everything.
I know that's Nico.
I know for sure that's Nico since he didn't repost the room either.
What up, Nico?
Go ahead.
I did repost the room, but I'm the guy that goes into the liquor cabinet.
There you go.
Yep.
So I don't know what to tell you.
What do you call it?
July.
The question that I had, the payday loans, how are you going to pay them in crypto or USDT, whatever?
Yeah, it would be USDC.
So basically they would receive that and then they could pay back their loan with that route.
And again, our main thing is like very similar to the past question of like, Hey, you know,
could someone like, could a normie lend on the platform?
We're looking at the other side of that, of like, how do we help people that are trying
to borrow where they could just get capital very efficiently. But yeah, USDC.
So pretty much a lot of people are going to have access to USDC is what you're telling me.
Yeah. I mean, right now you could do WEIF, you could do USDT or USDC, but the loan market has been really, really growing
on the USDC side.
So I would say most of the folks that are barring against to get Weef, they're leveraging
And the folks that are using it to get USDC are trying to use it to either transact in
real life.
Yeah. SDC are trying to use it to either, you know, transact in real life. If you guys haven't already engaged with the post-up top, free shot at an other deed.
And the best thing about the Nettyworth account, it is not botted to hell like most accounts.
So you actually have a true shot of getting access to some of these giveaways.
July, last question for you.
I mean, you've been in here since 2021.
From then to now, from a grand scheme of things, like creators, like the posts and dApps and memes.
What is something that you're super shocked about?
Or maybe on the other hand, you're not shocked at all.
You called it, if anything.
Yeah, I think the pump.fun thing,
I think that's my shocker of like how crazy, like people really
gamble on web three, because I think I saw like a study that they said it was like, it was like,
your odds were worse than going to a casino. Like, like it was like, like fully manipulated,
like, you know, and I, and I actually think that's like a bad stain for crypto,
like in general, like, again, there's some people that believe like, crypto is like,
just let it run. And who cares if it wipes people out. But I mean, there was like teenagers getting
wiped out that were participating in that. So yeah, I think that's the shocker. And I think the thing that we called from the beginning was we were always an AI company.
And it was so weird pitching the company in like 2022, right?
The end of 2022.
And no one cared.
And we're like, oh, we're building the first AI loan infrastructure.
And it was like, okay, AI for what?
And then we're like, oh, but we actually have a machine learning model. And they were like,
why? And I was like, well, this is, you know, by the way, we work with an incredible ambassador,
one of the largest holders of CryptoPunks and Pudgies. But it's like, you know, once we told
him, hey, by the way, we're going to learn your behavior patterns of what assets you'd like to lend on and the terms.
And we're going to provide lending opportunities based on your behavior.
He was like, sign me up.
Like, he was like, I just, I would say like, where folks just didn't understand
how you could use data, and especially us, because that data becomes proprietary data,
right? So I say this also to like, I don't know if there's any founders in the room,
but the winners of AI and Web3 is not going to be who builds a smart contract. It's going to be proprietary data
and brand. And I think I really believe those are the two biggest pillars that people need to
really understand. And obviously me and you have had, uh, you know, a enormous amount of
conversations around, um, you know, branding influencers, KOLs, however people want to call it. And one of the things is,
because my background comes from, again, fintech, marketing, branding, is that I see a lot of
creators shilling a lot of shit projects. And I feel like what they could be doing is talking
about good companies that are actually solving real problems and partnering up
with these folks and, and asking for equity versus trying to get like paid to do like one post or
something like that. So I think on the shocking, on the shocking side is pump that fun. I think,
I think it sends a bad signal to the space.
The things that we were like optimistic about and bullish was AI machine learning and Web3.
And then as far as branding, I think the biggest thing that I've seen is that folks are taking money from companies that are like, I guess, not proven or not legit. Like in our side, we're obviously we're venture backed.
We've had two audits. We have incredible advisors in our team. The folks have been public. Like
people know my face, right? Like LinkedIn and all that stuff for the last three, four years.
So it's just a different type of trust when you know, hey, like I'm one of Jack Butcher's biggest
collectors, right? Like, and things like that. Like the first Jack Butcher giveaways was all
done by me, right? Just to support and push the community. So I think what it is, is just like
seeing folks on like your side, like partnering up with like good companies, because I think there's a lot of the new wave
is going to be utility tokens. And I really believe this because there are companies just
like us, just like Helium, just like others that actually will launch a token with a real
revenue business. Right. And that is very, very important. And then if you look at it and you say,
okay, could this company scale? Uh, yeah, I think there's tremendous amount of companies
that will do that. Yeah. So those are, those are my final words there.
Appreciate you. That was fire. That was good. Nico, uh, do me a favor. There's going to be a few people here I'm going to send over their Twitter
because they've been sitting on stage farming my spaces,
thinking they're going to get some sort of value out of it.
And now they've realized the cost of doing something like that.
And you're going to be the one to send the invoices.
We might have a space tomorrow.
I'm flying on Thursday,
so I don't think I'm going to have a space on Thursday.
But I'll be stationed, so
we'll get back to our normal spaces on Fridays
as well. It's been
a vibe. It was
15 motherfucking people in
the kickstream.
See, Will? I told you.
You don't even get one in that motherfucking
Twitch stream. We got 15 today.
I didn't get it.
I got one person in on my kickstream.
You didn't promote it hard enough, Will.
You're perfect.
What's wrong with YouTube?
What the hell is a kickstream?
It sucks.
We're going to figure this out together.
Don't worry.
We're going to figure this out together.
If you guys haven't jumped in the Telegram or the Discord,
I don't know what to tell you.
The links are there.
The links are all
there it's been a fun show um me and will are wrapping up now thank you july for coming through
shout out to uh to everybody that chimed in as well there again there's a giveaway up top make
sure you engage if you do want access to that and uh yeah like i think, you know, we're still in this choppy ass market.
Don't over trade.
Don't over buy.
Stack up the wins.
Stack up your money.
Buy more Bitcoin.
That's the fucking answer.
And I'm excited.
I think we're in a really trying, interesting time in our market.
And not just because it's the summer and it's the slowest time.
But because like July just mentioned, and we've been saying this for a long time, there's a huge stain on our industry with this whole pump fun bullshit and meme coins and shit
like that you got shitty ass little fucking kids thinking that they run the whole shit because for
a few months they had a narrative and now you can see it spilling into tiktok you can see it spilling
into it's a streaming and it's gonna die going to die, just like Forex, just like
e-commerce, just like everything. There's always a nasty part of an industry. And I think meme
coins and pump and shit was that. I'm not hating on that. I profit off of coins myself, but I think
we're in for a treat overall in the next few months, years, overall with our industry.
Now that it's starting to kind of sober up, if you will.
That's what I always say.
You know, we're sobering up.
So anyway, I hope everybody has a good evening.
Make sure you drink water, text your loved ones,
tell them you love them.
All right.
And I appreciate you.
Will, any last words for the people?
Anything you wanted to say that you didn't?
I'm good.
Same thing.
Just don't overtrade.
That's it.
Just survive till August and then get the hell out before 2026.
There you go.
There you fucking go.
You are now tuned in to Web3 Exposed, the number one show on the internet peace out
you guys
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