WEB3 Exposed 🌶️🎙️

Recorded: May 8, 2025 Duration: 1:39:30
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Web3 Exposed launches with exciting announcements, including the mint of Sugartown cores NFTs, showcasing a blend of innovative fundraising strategies and community engagement. The discussion highlights the importance of partnerships, growth trends, and the evolving landscape of crypto investments.

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Not at all posing thoughts, and yet both of them are true.
I awareness? What of who? You think you hurt me, but I promise I was left with you.
Make sure you're all one.
Awareness, you can head into.
I'd rather die free than have to live inside of a person.
I don't know if you're a person, but I'm getting a chance to do it. so
is of course i disconnected something and don't know how to connect it back
Of course I disconnected something and don't know how to connect it back.
But I know you guys can hear me.
It's okay.
It's okay.
Let's get it.
About to start.
It's Thursday.
It's another fucking banger day.
This is a fire day.
Look at the charts.
Pinch yourself.
It's going down.
It is going down. It is going down.
It's going down.
My destiny is perfectly aligned with this location.
I am the man.
So I travel back in time.
I have everything I want. want is my imagination is mine
but mine is not enough because i am not my mind i could see it all but never get to see i'm truly blind i could be it all but all identities intertwined The moon is only bright when it reflects like sunshine.
Wake up! Wake up! I hope you didn't sell the bottom please don't tell me you sold the motherfucking bottom
will told you what to do step by step
they're coming for your ass now because you sold the bottom! Thank you. The So you guys need a fucking, a little, little tune in your life.
Will is not ready to speak because he hasn't taken the co-host position.
So we're going to be forced to listen to this song until he's ready don't tell me you guys sell the bottom for for real. And I hope you guys own Bitcoin.
Ain't no motherfucking way.
I don't want to hear anything about a meme coin.
Holy shit, don't tell me you guys sold the bottom.
Jordan, you think they sold the bottom? I think they sold the bottom i think they sold the bottom i think some people
did i i'm not gonna lie i got a little nervous some meme coins i'm not gonna i'm not gonna
not even gonna just act like i'm i'm very happy i sold them when i did they never revived. They never fucking revived.
Welcome to the show. Web3 Exposed is officially live.
6.45pm Eastern. It's another beautiful day in paradise.
We have a lot of announcements. I'm pinning some things to the top here.
If you haven't already, like, comment, repost a space. Make sure you tag your EVM address or your Solana address below.
Every single day we give away some cheddar, okay, some cash in the form of crypto.
And all you have to do is participate by liking, commenting, reposting, tagging.
It's my form of, or rather it's my token of appreciation.
Yeah, the joke's never going to get old.
X is, it's rather it's my token of appreciation. Yeah. The joke's never going to get old. Um, X is, uh, let's see. X is getting better as a platform. Yeah. All right. So that's my, uh, you know, making sure the X gods protect the space today. Thank you for everybody that
tuned in. I see you down there. Honey B, uh, honey B, Honey Bee, where are the honeys, Bee?
I'm a rapper, by the way. If you guys didn't know, I have officially signed to a rap label,
and you'll be seeing some music, listening to some music here soon. Thank you to Will,
who pretty much forced me out of all my meme bags and have now started my record career.
So thank you.
I'd rather, not the bad ones, just, you know, just a good place.
So I can now be a record, pretty much a producer and a rapper all in one.
Anyway, I'm going to shut up.
I'm going to shut up.
No, there's something interesting I read today that I was like, what?
What world are we in?
Um, there's an article by business insider.
A few people picked it up.
Basically, Bill Gates said he was going to give away all his wealth.
Um, and he doesn't want to die with any money.
And he plans to do that with, uh, uh, what's it called? The different, I guess, charities and things of that nature.
He's shutting down the bill of him and his foundation.
I don't know if you asked me, which nobody is.
I think this was some type of plan.
I don't know, but maybe I'm crazy.
But yeah, this dude was like so on it when it came to all the things in 2020.
And we all saw the shit.
Hopefully nobody was affected.
But it's, yeah, I just think that's crazy.
The wealth, deciding what to do with their wealth,
and then the market starts doing what the market does.
I don't know.
I don't think maybe they don't correlate.
Maybe they do.
I'll let Will be the expert of going into that.
There's a lot of news that Jordan's going to get
into. He just came from Mexico. So if he sounds a little crazy, just forgive him. He has the...
No, I'm just kidding. I'm pretty sure he's going to sound just fine. I am excited to hear from
them. It's been a minute. But yeah, happy birthday to BZ. It's been one year. First of all, Colony before BZ has been around a little
over two years. And BZ name change was about a year ago. And all the new things that has come
in the last year has kind of been kind of wild. I pinned some stuff to the top. There's about to
be a rip and ship in a few minutes. So if you're into that, definitely tune in. I can't believe
it's been a fucking year already. Pretty wild. Pretty wild to build anything consistently. And I made this in a post
earlier. I think any team that's willing to get copied over and over and stay down, stay with the
grit, stay with the integrity, and not running when like, oh, do this or do that or meme this,
or I think it says a lot.
It says a lot and also says a lot to like what they care,
like what they obviously care for their users,
but the future of the users, right?
The future of the space.
It's wild.
I've been in this space consistently for five years,
always buying crypto, but working in it and meeting people
and seeing how people run their
projects and see successful ones help some, some of the most successful and notable ones today
with communities and things of that nature. But it's really interesting to see this pattern of
like over time, well-funded, even some of the best shit is a quote unquote best as in product and
funded. It doesn't last because there's like a lack of
just humanistic fucking morals in the company. And I don't know about you guys, but I would rather
hustle and, you know, be a part of something that's just starting than, you know, just anything
that's just kind of thrown together. And I'm sure a lot of you guys can agree with that.
But I'll get off my little soapbox here.
Make sure you guys tune in.
Make sure you guys engage with all the posts at the top that we're pinning up.
Will's here.
He has time today.
He didn't go on his jog yet, but I'm pretty sure he's still going to kind of go ham
when it comes to the markets and let you guys know you should have been holding
and you should not have been shaken out.
I'm hoping he's in a really good mood so he's not too mean to you guys.
But, Will, what's going on?
Don't be too hard on him, all right, Will? Be easy on him.
Nah, I ain't going to be hard on nobody.
Here's the thing. I told people, play cautiously in this range.
Just because it was a little tricky, especially the way we were moving.
So, you know, ultimately, I was telling people, I was like, when we were at the lows, I was like bid stuff, especially around the 70 K range.
But as we started to move up, I said, don't chase the pump.
Um, we ended up continuing pumping.
It just didn't stop, which is a pretty interesting, especially with a hammer up there.
Uh, we'll see how this, how this ends up closing out.
I mean, likely my thoughts are from here, here you know now that we've kind of flipped that 100k range i
mean we ran it pretty hard they ran it all the way up to like what 104 so i mean they definitely
pushed past 100k they didn't they didn't sit there and hesitate at it so um the fact that the market
moved in such a big way just saying something needs to happen a few days ago right like something
needs to happen soon yeah yeah i said right? Like, something needs to happen soon.
Yeah, yeah.
I said we needed some kind of event or liquidity situation that would kind of push markets higher.
I think Trump even came out, like, literally, like, the other day
and said something like, you better buy the stock markets
while you still have time or some shit.
You know how he normally does, insider trading before the insider trading.
But I guess I don't even know if you can call it
insider trading because he's telling the public this and he's like hey you better buy before i
pump the markets and then he does some shit that pumps the markets so i don't know how how people
feel about that but uh regardless you know so far he he has kept up with keeping markets moving when
he says those things so i usually do take them as a pump event the problem
is does it become sustainable and doesn't stick around um i will say this like i mean the couple
runners we got i mean we got the one today profits we were talking about it in the chat right that uh
camcot and that that was that was a little banger right a little tiny banger it looked like it was
gonna rug for a minute there and yes well he's not here he just took a flight to mexico
he was going to zero for a minute it's like well that's uh that's 500 bucks down the train that's
good and then uh then it just ran up another you know five six x and i was like oh okay all right
let's go ahead and scrape that off there um but I will tell people, be cautious of TikTok memes.
They tend to be more ruggy than most coins.
So if you see something with a TikTok meme on it as, like, the link, be careful with those.
Doesn't mean you can't play them because that one played out pretty well.
But typically those things will go to zero.
But, yeah, I would say like right now
you are seeing some dabbling in risk right um did switch up the pfp the other day for ma grand
but you know uh it is what it is um you gotta you gotta kind of see the writing on the wall when
you start to see liquidity flow back in and i start to see a bottoming formation on that one
as a meme but uh i think as far as overall it's probably one of the strongest memes of cycle i i
would arguably you know question whether or not it can be the next big mover for this cycle i mean
it's got a lot of liquidity a lot of liquidity the fact that they they're they're getting it
pumped as far as pretty crazy i'm not saying chase it it. Don't, don't, don't ever chase,
ever chase.
If you don't have conviction,
has there ever,
has there ever been a president talking the way Donald Trump is talking?
Like you better buy stocks now or this,
Cause usually they're insider trading behind closed doors,
you put your hand in my back pocket.
I put my hand in your back pocket and we, uh, walked down the hallway together, um, squeezing each other's
asses while we're talking about what we're going to be pumping and, uh, dumping on people. And then
we tell people after we pass the law, um, you know, which again, just, I'm not big on government
specifically, so I don't really take a side. I know there's a lot of people that are politically left-leaning or right-leaning.
I'm just like F them both, really.
That's always been my perspective because I don't think government's really there for the people.
I think they're there to enrich themselves.
And that's why a lot of people become politicians is to enrich themselves.
I don't think that they become politicians to help the world or to help the citizens.
Wink, wink, right? That's just another word for my servants.
But yeah. So at the end of the day, you know, the way I look at it from a liquidity flow standpoint, I think that the market looks pretty decent here.
I think we flipped that 100K range again.
Wouldn't chase. I would look for opportunity elsewhere.
So I would just be looking
you know to try and see where's where are things still kind of rolling the floor and are these
conviction plays for me right if i were an investor looking for a place to put money
don't chase pumps do not chase pumps i mean it could be next week week after we end up in a lull
you end up chasing this pump.
You buy here and this ends up being the local top for the next three, four days.
And then when you get that pullback, you're going to sell and then you lose money and
just don't do it.
If you're if you're planning on buying something, plan on buying it and put it in that wallet
and letting it sit there for weeks, months, whatever it takes.
Again, I think the bigger move here is going to be q4 but uh we'll see we'll see
right we'll see if we get some kind of pullback here if this thing ends up just keeps going up i
think it's going to keep going up at this point uh yeah the broadening wedge it looks like you're
starting to break out of it at this point so it's very difficult to say that we're going to come
back down uh from here that's that's not a fear factor um people shouldn't come here and listen to market discussion and think that
it's time to panic or it's time to act or not act. You should take what I tell you on a regular
basis and just add it into your tools of how you want to look at the market. Never take it as like,
oh, well, the market's going to move in a big way. So I have to buy now. I have to sell. I have to put myself in poverty to put everything into the market.
You should be buying in ways that are not going to make yourself poor, right? You just put in the
extra money you have. And I think that will do you a lot better. But yeah, yeah. Overall,
you know, I think markets look pretty good. S&P is looking like it's recovering pretty well.
The S&P is actually very interesting right now.
I was looking at it earlier today, and I was like, man,
I was like, this thing's actually kind of moving back up into the trend here
because what I would like to see with the S&P is I'd like to see it kind of
start to flip this higher range around like 6K, 5900.
But I mean, we did get back above trend. Trend was basically anywhere above like 5400. So the
fact that the S&P is recovering pretty well is pretty cool. I don't know. I'm really kind of
split on macro, really split on macro because I think macro is kind of a, it's a, it's in a tough spot.
Like cars are like a hundred K for like an average car. I don't think most people can
afford a hundred K. I'm seeing a lot of repos on the car market. Um, as far as housing goes,
I still think housing is unaffordable for a lot of people. And the average person that makes like
50, 60 K a year, I don't think they can afford a house um rent i still think is egregiously high so you
know and food especially food i think is way crazy right now um i remember buying food before it was
like two three hundred bucks i could fill every you know fill a lot of things and now i'm spending
close to twelve hundred dollars sometimes when i go to the store and not even realizing it so that's
you know when you look at it from that perspective it it's like, man, food's really gone up a lot. So I can only imagine if people are making under
a hundred K a year, what they, what their incomes look like and how well they're doing. Um, I can't
see them as, you know, having money to invest in these markets. Uh, the, the better conditions get
for people of the, uh, I won't even, I don't want to say anything like lower poverty,
but the better conditions get for people that have a lower income,
I think the more bullish the market will become.
And I think that that's what we really need to see
to see markets really push hard.
So we'll see where things go.
Something has to give here.
Prices have to give on one end or the other,
and they're high across the board.
I know your take on the meme coins but for a few uh for now as like things start heating up a bit
is there anything that you're looking for in any stable charts or dead charts to revive or to find
positions uh i mean when it comes to memes i'm just looking for activity right those who stayed
active those who are still active um those who have responders and communities and people not bots obviously you can
tell when there's bots and when they're people but uh you know i would say there are solid communities
like i would say mog right like is like a collective of people and i don't think that it's
a lot of people see something like that as like a, again, not trying to make you guys up really bullish on it.
Just, I'm just explaining why it was always a bullish on log, but, uh, it's a collective
of people that kind of know when that chart is going to flip and everybody kind of flips
at the same time as far as conversation PFPs, but every, but during down times, a lot of
people just chill.
They, they, they don't sit there and bitch about it.
They don't cry about, you know about chart down or any of that.
They just chill and let it wait until it gets ready to run again.
And then when you kind of see that revival starting to peak back up,
you start moving back on it again.
And I think there's a few communities out there like that
that look pretty good.
There's also some that I'm going to run on right now that I think,
I mean, fuck it, I'll throw some names out like i it's kind of risky for me to do that but like i think like captain bmb is a decent meme and the reason for that is is it's very heavily
tied now to uh cz and binance and i think there's going to be a coin that they're going to try and
push at all is there anything new that came out or are you just staying off of volume?
I'm looking at steady volume, liquidity.
Here's another one too.
The ones that I saw that did the best
through this little bear downturn
usually stayed on average about 280, 290 liquidity
or 300 liquidity or higher.
The ones that kind of fell below that level
really died down, right?
Killed a lot of
communities but anything that stayed above like 300k or better looked good i mean even we talked
about this the other day profits and that was please i think please looks pretty decent too
that's gonna mill liquidity um i don't think there's anything wrong with the higher liquidity
ones at this point because i do think someone's gonna even out sorry about that it was my Alexa she knows yeah freaking out uh but yeah so it's yeah I think
uh I think if people are looking look again it's hard to explain because you have to really kind
of be you have to know how to trench a little bit, right?
And part of trenching is evaluating communities, right?
Evaluating coins, evaluating people,
the people that are backing it.
Like if you see some of the regular ruggers in the space,
there's a lot of them out here, by the way.
A lot of people probably don't know all the names,
obviously, right?
But if you start to see any of those active ruggers in some of those coins,
and then you get like one or two or three guys that you know that typically tweet something and then you know five
hours later it says zero um you avoid those ones but if you if you see like solid solid people
backing coins and stuff like that and their big accounts and everything and everybody thinks that
every every big account is an insider everybody thinks that every big account is an insider. Everybody thinks that every big account is trying to rug you.
I don't think every big account is.
I think there are some genuine people out here who have been running communities since the beginning.
And they're still running those communities and still pushing them and everything like that.
I think that's really bullish for some of these coins if you're interested in the high, high-risk side of things.
Again, just always remember that memes are very high risk,
so you have to be cautious
and just try not to put your net worth in something like that.
Well said.
I was just telling him, Cam, about your W earlier.
No one that looked like it was going to zero.
Cam, oh, he's going to zero cam oh he's
gonna get his time this is the meme god right here shout out to that guy so it's seven o'clock
on the dot i'm in my drop top cruising the streets so we're gonna we're gonna give away some crypto
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Jordan, let's get it
what's the vibes how you been first of all thank you for pulling up i know you've been super busy
but excited to hear what uh what you got for us today what's up what's up everyone uh yes i just
came back from eath mexico uh eath cdmx or eath cinco de mayo there's like several different names
but basically it was a smaller conference up in Mexico City.
I mostly was just looking for an excuse to, one, get down to Mexico City since I've never been out there.
And I also wanted to just see what, you know, what the EVM builder scene was like and what the smaller conference, especially for LATAM, would be like.
There is a little bit of a language barrier, of course.
So a lot of people spoke Spanish.
I understood some of it.
But of course, my partner who was there, she was able to translate some of that.
But yeah, it was a really good time, especially just to get to enjoy the food and everything.
Will, appreciate the outlook.
It sounds like we're kind of bullish, but macro is still on the fence a little bit.
So it's interesting to hear.
And yeah, so I guess we'll see how it pans out.
Let's get right into the news, shall we?
There's India and Pakistan war tensions.
Maybe you've seen some of this. I don't know how big that'll affect the news, but in terms of the global sociopolitical climate, that's definitely something to consider.
Bill Gates, as Proffitts just recently mentioned, Bill Gates did say he's giving away all his $200 billion of wealth away to fight poverty, disease, and inequity via the Gates Foundation.
Something about winding down Gates Foundation before he passes or as he passes.
We'll see what that
specifics mean. The way I read it is like whatever Gates Foundation has been doing is probably
they'll continue to do. Otherwise, if there is a place that you could sign up for us,
they'll start lining up for you to get your checkup. Maybe we all should start doing that.
Be a nice little airdrop, right? The Fiverr CEO sent out a wake
up call addressing his staff via an internal memo that AI is coming for your jobs and mine.
So he basically decided to make a wake up call, be sure to continue skilling up and use AI as a tool.
And I also think that says a lot about like you know what does that mean like when the
internet came out that made a lot of other jobs obsolete and i think that but it also created a
lot of jobs from that i'm not sure what and how many jobs that ai can potentially create in terms
of uh how it's going to reshape the industry but definitely something to consider, especially as our industry, you know,
molds and takes shape and adapts into a new form. Something else that I saw very interesting is
companies are piling in now. Actually, there's three companies. They're creating Solana versions
of Michael Saylor's MicroStrategy, or I guess he's calling it Strategy now. So there's three
companies. There's Sol Strategies, that's a Canadian company.
There's Upexi, and there's DeFi Development Core.
So it looks like these three companies,
they're now announcing their Solana acquisitions.
They're accumulating Sol, the token,
the same way that MicroStrategy
and Michael Saylor is accumulating Bitcoin.
I think that's interesting.
I don't know if I have a firm opinion on that. I think it's
whoever helped orchestrate this or put this together. They used to work with Do Kwan for sure.
Whoever did this is actually really interesting. And I think that's an interesting place. So
it looks like Soul Strategies right now has nearly 18 million worth of Solana token.
They acquired it at 149 per token. A consumer goods company,
like it's really interesting, right? Upexi, they increased their treasury of Solana by 30 million.
And they have 60 million of cash reserves that they have to average into the Solana token.
And DeFi Development Corp, formerly known as Janover, they picked up around 82,000 Solana for around 11 million and said on
Monday that they're going to acquire a Solana validator business for around 3.5 million.
So this is really interesting. And it says like they have roughly 59 million of sole token right
now. This is interesting. You have you have like Web 2 companies that have nothing to do with Web 3
that are now accumulating the sole token and they're buying a validator businesses i don't know who or how they orchestrated this but i think
that's kind of interesting um don't have a strong opinion on it yet but i mean buy pressure is buy
pressure right um so i i think that's that's that's something to consider right um we do have
now btc right above are we still above a hundred K? Is that correct?
That's interesting.
So Bitcoin surge has passed a hundred K.
Um, you know, we got pudgy penguins, uh, the Pengu token and Mog.
They're both rallying.
Uh, not sure if there's a specific reason why it might just be, they're going up with
the market along with Bitcoin and ETH.
ETH Petra upgrade, that's P-E-C-T-R-A, recently went out.
So apparently now that enables, from what I'm hearing and seeing in some videos, I haven't tried it myself yet,
is that on EVM and on ETH and ETHL2s that you can now, instead of having to do an approval for a transaction, you can just go
ahead and one click sign. So give that a try. I think be careful because that does potentially
open things up for new attack vectors. But that being said, you know, apparently it's supposed
to be easier to now go ahead literally and use ETH and its L2s. Let's see. Coinbase adds WorldCoin.
And then, you know, of course, Trump rallies a little bit.
And then Klanosaurs, they announced their new Popkins collection
that's actually dropping on, not Solana, but actually SWE.
They also announced that they're having a TV show
that's coming to YouTube first.
And we'll see if they land some other bigger deal other than that.
But I think Klanosaurs going to SWE with their new collection, Popkins. I think that's pretty interesting. and we'll see if they land some other big bigger deal other than that but i think clannosaur is
going to sweep with their new collection popkins i think that's pretty interesting
in terms of funding rounds you got doppel raising 35 million from a16z bessemer ventures
sozo ventures miden 25 million they're building a privacy powered layer one blockchain this team
spun out of polygon so they were originally a Polygon, but now they're their own thing.
Also invested in by A16Z, HackVC, and 1KX.
Camp Network raised $25 million
at a $400 million valuation.
Another Layer 1 designed to power AI agents
with user-owned IP.
That's backed by 1KX, Blockchain Capital,
and OKX Ventures.
Denari raises $12.7 million, supported by VanEX, Blockchain Capital, and OKX Ventures. Denari raises $12.7 million,
supported by VanEck, F Prime, and Blizzard Fund. And then Terminal3, working on decentralized
identity and data solutions, is reported to raise over $8 million. Don't forget, if you want to get
a potential airdrop, there's lots of opportunities out there. One of the ones that I'm looking at,
Drop.Money. They're having a dropless campaign. Why does drop matter? Okay, they're built by
the former LidoDAO, or I guess Lido team members and contributors. Lido is currently the number
two in TVL in DeFi in all of Web3, right? So they've got 19 billion in tvl this is the number two defy project in all of web3
regardless of blockchains um and then they spun some former contributors spun out and they're
building a new lst project called drop uh for multi-chain lst staking you can dm me for a
referral code to get a bonus but actually a referral code is not required so you can just go in
and just use it and and all that. You can stake
Adam, Neutron, TIA, and Initia. Feel free to use the asset of your choosing. I think Adam's bullish,
for example. I know Will's not a huge fan of TIA. For good reason, though. There's a lot of VC
unlocks on the way. And then ETH Petra upgrade, of course, that I mentioned, that increases the ETH Max validator stake to now 2,048 ETH, which is quite interesting.
Now, smart accounts apparently now kills the approval scams, but it also opens up attack vectors for new ones.
So be careful there.
And apparently it also makes L2s even cheaper allowing for more larger data
blobs per block so back to you profits so it sounds like a lot of chains are
getting any goes are getting funded at the moment and my tripping there's actually
yeah there's quite a few I the thing is, here's the thing. I think a lot of people go back and forth between, you know, monolithic L1s.
So like things like, let's say Solana and Sui.
And then there's like the app chain thesis, right?
So that's like things like Hyperliquid where an app maybe has its own block space
or maybe there's an L1 that has like certain features.
Like the one I just mentioned was Myden.
They're focusing on like ZK privacy, right?
We have to really think to ourselves,
like I think a lot of these VCs,
when they hear L1, no matter what it is,
whether it's monolithic
or they're building upon this app chain thesis
for a specific opinionated infrastructure,
I think they just think of like
how good the valuation they're getting it in at.
And that because there's like an L1 or an app chain that it comes at a certain premium. So when it hits
the market, they're like, okay, we can at least get like a two to three or four X or five X.
That doesn't necessarily mean I think all of these will survive. I think a lot of that depends on
the quality of a team, their background, you know, how well can they market and grow and secure
the partnerships for their development platform, basically.
That's what a lot of these are.
But in the case of, let's say, Hyperliquid, they didn't raise from VCs.
They just built a damn good product for trading.
And now they're basically competing with a lot of centralized exchanges because centralized
exchanges, pretty much almost all of them, they know that hyperliquid is taking some of their market share and
therefore revenue.
So that's a really interesting case with hyperliquid, right?
No VCs on that one.
But a lot of people have opinions on, okay, they only have so many validators.
It's, you know, yada, yada.
Maybe it's not as secure.
You know, why would you trust this, et cetera?
So I think the trading is really good on Hyperliquid.
That being said, back to your original point profits.
I, you know, yes, some of these VCs are probably going to make money, make some ROI, make some bread.
I just don't know.
It's like we're eventually at the point, or maybe we're already there, where you have more blockchains than users. And so I think there's a balance in between those. Like, I do think like,
we're seeing in real time, things like Solana and SWE are doing extremely well, right, in terms of
like the apps that they're in the teams that they're able to attract. And I think overall,
UX wise, these ecosystems tend to do a lot better.
But as we see with Hyperliquid,
you can build an amazing trading app
based on its own blockchain.
So I think there's a medium in between both.
But I do think the monolithic...
We just don't need this many chains, though.
That's my opinion, my two cents on it.
Go ahead, Will.
I don't know where to start.
First off, I guess we'll start with the Solana, I guess, stakers, whatever they are.
People staking Solana and trying to accumulate Solana like MicroStrategy is accumulating Bitcoin.
I think they missed the point there of accumulation and how
it works. Because one asset is deflationary while the other asset is forever inflationary. So I
don't understand the connection where they thought, I guess, buying up as much Solana as possible is a smart idea,
unless they plan on buying and dumping at strategic times.
Because micro strategies, buying up Bitcoin is buy and hold until one day they decide to sell, obviously.
Whereas these guys are coming and saying, oh, we're going to buy up Solana.
But okay, when are you going to dump?
When are you going to dump?
Are you going to say you're going to hold it forever and it's going to be
inflationary? Is that what you're saying? Because that makes me a little questionable, right?
Like, I feel like there's a lot of gimmicks being played in this market that a lot of people aren't
really paying attention to, right? They're trying to make you more bullish than you should be on
some assets, essentially.
And that's, I mean, I guess some people will take that as shade at Solana, but it's not really me trying to throw shade at Solana.
It's me just pointing out the easiest factor.
I mean, if I were to come in this space, I'm like, I want to accumulate something.
I would want it to be a deflationary asset.
I would not want to accumulate an inflationary asset and say,
I'm bullish to hold this forever.
Because I think that kind of defeats the purpose of investing.
It's almost like stock dilution.
Nobody's going to buy a stock company that's going to have stock dilution.
Everybody would sell that shit.
Outside of that, Profits profits did you see uh choose nick
choose rich nick today crying about the boot token i don't think he realized the tokenomics
on how it worked to get the launch open yeah well he did it sounds like they changed up the
criteria in the last last day yeah so so basically i'm glad i didn't do it like i would have been all over here hoping for
or getting excited for like this stemmy when and then it's not even coming basically um
so originally if you claimed it and then basically to claim it you click launch which is deploying a
token and then after the 30 days you get the you get the airdrop. Or if you hit certain milestones in a certain amount of time, you get them before the 30 days.
So I think if you hit like 5 mil or something or a mil, you were able to instantly unlock liquidity.
So if you didn't do that, which I don't think is coin past 11,000 market cap.
I don't know. I could be wrong.
um yeah you were gonna have to wait those 30 days and so since so since they changed the criteria
Yeah, you were going to have to wait those 30 days.
uh you're either not getting what you thought you would because they're splitting it up now 50
so i think you're still getting some but not the full amount and then if you didn't claim
you're not getting anything at all so yeah that's what he was oh man you think that was the angel
investors coming back and saying that's too much money to be giving out for free?
It could have been a ton of shit.
I feel like a lot of people just started claiming just to do it.
Like, more people than I thought were like, yeah, dude, I already claimed it.
And I'm just like, oh, okay, gotcha.
So, yeah, who knows?
GG to anybody that got that.
That's kind of why I was saying, like, I'm not going to let, like, I didn't know this was going to happen.
But that's why I was like, yeah, I'm not going to let, like, I didn't know this was going to happen. But that's why I was like, yeah, I'm not launching.
I'm like, there's no way I'm launching.
I'm like, they're going to do something here.
And obviously they changed it.
I mean, it's almost like going back and changing the code on a contract.
I think it's pretty interesting.
Luna, I don't have time for you at the moment.
Yo, Cam, I need to hear this 22X play.
A few plays that you hit today. What's going on?
How do you front run the timeline once again?
What's up? What's up?
Everything's cool. It was on IG.
So basically, it was a cool day.
It was a cool day. I was it was a cool day i was uh
yeah this is basically just on my computer per usual and i seen uh chat gpt had posted like a
secret pump find address they basically had did like a uh a questionnaire you know how people do
pose on instagram just ask questions or whatnot somebody asked them like what's the best way to
turn 17 dollars like change their life with 17 dollars and they literally posted a pump fund
address on their instagram story on official chat gpt instagram story with like a million followers
so i had done my research of course i just didn't blindly ape i had to make sure it was the right
contract address and it was it was the right contract address they post and it's actually
still up there um you can go check it out but I'm not saying
APN because I think
the play is over with
it's dead now
yeah it's actually
still on their story
yeah I seen that
checked everything
I'm like okay
this might actually run
it was still on
pump phone
when I seen it
like in like an hour
it went to like
2 million I think
but yeah I basically just you know what I mean just kind of because I don't really like and quick 20x in like an hour. It's like 2 million, I think.
But yeah, I basically just, you know what I mean?
Just kind of because I don't really like go too hard on Punt Fun.
I let things kind of play out.
But with a play like that, it's like, damn, you can't miss out on this one.
So yeah, that's really how it went down.
They wanted to rug at first.
A lot of times people wait for the developer to get out. And I guess a lot of people waiting for the dev to sell before they start really aping in hard.
Because I did, Will, I did see a lot of smart wallets aping.
After that big, when we thought it was over with, I seen a lot of smart wallets start aping in.
The productivity was so low.
Yeah, it went down to, I don't know, like 10,000 market cap.
Yeah, it was bad at first and then
once the dev so that's when people start picking up on it and it just ran up after that that's what
a lot of people tend to do though they wait to you know make sure the developer don't rug so they
wait till the developer get out and then they get in so that's what happened and yeah ran straight
up after that ran straight to two million um and i typically have like limit order set at like multi-million a certain market cap should i say um because i knew like if you just put two and two
together like plays like that you just got to think like it's on their instagram stories
instagram stories only last for 24 hours so you know it's not going to be like a instagram and
what okay what's that like tiktok instagram and what else yeah yeah so those were plays like
hell no like you don't really want to hold those are like straight dj and trench plays
because you know i'm saying like answer if you like i said you think about it you know people
uh look at instagram stories they know it basically lasts for only 24 hours so i was like
you know i know it's not gonna be like a play where i just walk away from the computer type
so yeah i just said set limit orders, man.
And, yeah, me and Will got it in.
That was a good play.
But, yeah, the trenches have been heating up.
Like, I always tell people, like, there's always opportunities in the trenches.
You know what I mean?
If you really know what you're doing, not getting scammed.
Because a lot of times when the market gets hot a lot of scammers and you know
prophets i know you know like that's when a lot of the grifters come out i actually seen like a
uh i meant to put it in the chat too like i seen a million like a multi-million dollar heist last
night and a lot of people fell for just some random random scammer come out and he got on
spaces he bought it his spaces well like i don't know maybe like oh wait
what yeah it was crazy i meant to put it it was so late no i mean i've seen him around actually i
mean i don't really want to give him a spotlight but i've seen him around and yeah he had like a
body space like 20 000 people a lot of engagements or whatnot he put it in his telegram he launched
a coin like at midnight or whatnot he was hyping it up a lot of people in the comments
I can't believe he was still falling for this type of stuff and
Even they had like you got to check the contract like the contract had a freeze
Function on it. So he froze everybody's tokens shit ran up to 50 million. He froze everybody tokens and started to start it
One shot clip in like a hundred K clips at a time
On everybody's head bro. was so sad i'm like
i can't believe people still following for this so now if you like i'll send you his i'll personally
send you his uh his his tag but if you look at his instagram not his instagram but it's
yeah if you look at his twitter tag right now like he's got so many death threats like coming
in about a minute he's gonna be the exit lick next time. That shit was so sad.
I can't believe people.
I can't believe people feel like still falling for those type of lies.
He's hyping it up.
Like, it's going to go crazy.
You guys ready?
He posts the ticker and everybody just, just, I just seen so many like transactions.
You guys ready?
The, like they doing the old, you know, back in the day, they used to freeze things on B&B.
Yeah, it was like the old B&B freeze the contract.
You know what I mean?
You have to authorize people that can sell.
Everybody else can't sell.
And switch it up in the middle.
That's exactly what happened.
And I literally seen him.
He only ate them for like $200.
And that's because everybody bought.
So it ran up to like $50 million.
And then he dumped on everybody's head. That shit was sad but yeah i sent it to you but yeah just got
to watch out with stuff like that because like things are happening like that when the market
gets back hot those people come back around so just be safe like when it comes to just aping in
blindly aping into the stuff and even on debt screen you can look at debt screener and see that
the contract was frozen the tokens
are freezable like those type of things you just got to be careful when people hype stuff up because
it's going to be a lot of that as the market starts to pump pump again so yeah man just just
be careful gonna be a lot of red flags but besides that yeah everything's good longs are printing
like i'm great man let's get it right we print well when's the last time you bought an nft
what's up it's probably as you right we're at that level
no i've been playing on chain i like nfts still you guys are faking it
no no look look i like nfts when there is liquidity flow all right there is no liquidity flow right now and then you don't you got the guy that gets it for the art
look art only gets you so far okay it only gets you so far i have tons of art stuff in my wallet
that are worth zero dollars why you say it like that? I like them.
Because I have way too much,
way more than I should.
I know this.
I know this for a fact.
I have way more than I should.
And I'm probably sitting on
3,000 NFTs plus,
I would say,
all together.
That's games.
That's all kinds of stuff.
I'm on 10,000.
Some of those games with zero. Or maybe I'm an idiot. plus i would say all together that's games that's all kinds of stuff i'm on 10 000 zero
i'm a mayor maybe i'm an idiot
i've i've minted passes i've minted you know just images of things for the moment
like i i've paid for a lot of things when it comes to nfts you know how many stories that
i heard that i'veed? How many what?
Stories of addicts and, oh, you guys are helping me.
And I'm like, oh, this is a good story.
No, I won't mint that shit.
I got finessed.
Maybe the OpenSea airdrop is still coming.
That's exactly what I'm hoping for, buddy.
That's exactly what the fuck I'm hoping for.
Speaking of NFTs, look, Will, I don't know if you heard, but there's a new sheriff in town called Sugartown. This is not sponsored, by the way. I've been a
big friend of the team for a while. Shout out to Camel, who's not here, but it's okay because
Tommy's here, and I think Tommy's better than Camel. But I am giving away some whitelist for
Camel. But I am giving away some whitelist for the Coors Mint that's happening on Abstract,
which arguably seems to be the most sought out mint, at least for the month. And a lot of
natural engagement. I think Camel has done an amazing job of just being the fucking poster boy
amongst the team, shoving it down everybody's throats like in a good way
and not to mention he does good things like he helps everybody else and uh that's what i think
it's about when it comes to building this space like this is a positive side of the space in my
opinion not many but this is a positive i'm not trying to show the project more or less just
actual people building it which i think is a huge fucking sign. I have some. There you go. There you fucking go. This guy has some.
No, I'm just saying, like, I have some.
There you go.
You're happy then.
I think they bought them near lunch.
I'm still in your bags today.
I think they were, like, a weasel at first or something like that.
Yeah, they did some pivots and stuff, but, you know,
no better person to let talk about it than Tommy.
Tommy, I appreciate you being here.
Welcome to the show.
Super, super glad to have you.
Yeah, thanks for having me. It's already coming on late too.
Hamill is, I think, at the vet right now.
He had to have an emergency trip, so he might be coming on in a couple few minutes.
He just lost, I think he had to step up for a second.
But good to have you guys. My name is Tommy.
I'm the co-founder of D20 Labs,
who the team that created Sugartown,
originally at Zynga Games,
if those who don't know our history.
We were at a public company called Zynga,
the farm girl creator, words for friends, Zynga Poker.
We built Sugartown inside of the public company,
corporate company.
And then we launched Sugart town auras in 2023 and the end of last year about six months ago we ended up spinning out to
go independent formed a new company took like every asset every ip everything we built uh and
then also like brought the team out as well so So to go independent. And the other reason we did that was just to kind of like get away from the,
I think the corporate bureaucracy.
being part of a public company inside the States is really tough to build
something new.
And so we decided to spin out and launch this new vision of a basically an
on-chain wagering platform called the playground.
And we're starting to do a new mint right now,
minting this Tuesday.
We just actually just announced the details
like two, three hours ago.
So Camel, I think it's just gonna go back to the Camel side.
Like he's an amazing job at like,
continue to show the guys the relentless.
And so if you heard about us, you heard about me,
you heard about Sugartown, it's solely because of Camel.
So shout out to him.
I love that.
Very, very well done.
Do you mind going into real quick what the new myth means?
And I think it gets you access to playing games and getting XP on Abstract.
What's the details there?
Yeah, and I know folks who are here on the abstract chain yet, but I think abstract,
and I agree, I heard I have a sizable bag of NFTs that are not worth anything.
A lot of wallets that have NFTs that I don't look at anymore either.
But I think abstract has been unique.
I think it has its own little ecosystem now and a lot of projects on abstract, volume
still coming in, people still minting projects the last like few mints they've had they're pretty hype like bosu on-chain heroes
have all performed really well and so we chose abstract for that reason i think it's a kind of
unique chain that is almost like resistant and agnostic to um the rest of the market and especially
on eth mainnet and so we chose, and the cores mint is a,
we're calling it a rewards generator NFT,
meaning you get access to all of our games,
the entire platform, everything,
and you'll get rewarded from TGE farming for our token,
but also be able to farm for the abstract XP as well in parallel.
And we'll have a bunch of rewards that are given to players and gamers
who hold the NFT and just play in our ecosystem.
Go ahead, Will.
So you guys left the old company?
What happened to the old NFT collection?
It's still alive, and that's the PFP that I'm rocking right now.
So everything's still
kind of there just you're you're launching a new pfp collection for access and yada yada it's not
a yeah well we're we launching a new um nft collection but it's not a pfp collection so
it's called cores it's basically a utility. It doesn't compete with like our current question at all.
Yeah. And to give context on like the, a little bit of a little more on the spin
out when we left and acquired the, the ecosystem, we actually brought the entire
IP collection with us, even the treasury as well. So for example, the auras floors
right now is like 0.18, 019 um there's still 3 000 auras in
reserve in the treasury unmented so we took not just like the ip the games the collection but
also the treasury as well that we acquired everything with this what happened with the uh
i guess when you guys separated was it like a separation of like overhead or like
what kind of separation?
I mean, you don't have to get into specifics.
Yeah, obviously we can't talk about the deal stuff.
But if you think about, so Zynga was a public company.
Launched a bunch of games for the past 12, 13 years or so in 2007.
And in 2022, Zynga got acquired by a bigger public company called Take-Two Interactive.
And Take-Two Interactive is the GTA company.
Take-Two is a holdings company.
They own like Rockstar Games, which has GTA.
They own 2K games with like the NBA 2K.
And they acquired Zynga at that time.
We were already in existence during the acquisition.
And Take-Two is really not a big i think fan i know there's
a lot of rumors about gta having crypto and stuff like i don't have any alpha on that but take two
in general isn't a big fan like of crypto uh because they're really scared of like the regulation
side and so for us like we wanted to move super fast move like be able to build things quickly
we couldn't do that so camo and i had our tweets read every single day and lawyer emails Laura
slack messages telling me like yeah take this tweet down that was like a
constant and so for us to like do what we need to do we had to spin out and
acquire everything and now we're actually able to move faster and even
go on the spaces like I wasn't able to do that before i had to like get pr like approval like just up and down the chain
it was pretty crazy yeah okay so you guys were having a really hard time being able to even move
around in the space because of all the pr stuff yeah all the like the corporate kind of like
legal side and so as we're out now like doing this little spaces tour uh probably
thanks for having us on but you know like just to do this alone was not possible and now we're
excited to do this new mint and i think folks ask like why do you meant if you have an existing
collection the auras is staying on each mainnet our new mint is a utility nft specifically for
the abstract chain it allows you to then farm for for abstract XP as long as you have that NFT.
And then if you own an Aura, which is our Genesis NFT, and you pair that with the new abstract NFT,
you then get to double farm and get multiple rewards by just having them together.
So having just the cores is great for abstract and all the rewards.
Having the core NFT with an A for abstract and all the rewards.
Having the core NFT with an aura gets you compounded rewards.
Now, these are like the streamer rewards and viewer rewards and stuff like that is the XP you're getting the boost on?
Well, streaming gets you...
For abstract?
Yeah, it's the same reward, but streaming gets you rewarded,
but playing games on chain and everything also gets you extra yeah it's the same it's the same reward but like streaming gets you rewarded but playing games on chain and everything also gets rewarded so we are launching like you know multiple
games and we have one game readily available um tomorrow if you like check out our uh twitter
page we're gonna like showcase like our poker products so we're gonna play a big poker tournament with eight other abstract
founders so like on shane heroes um bear jf like all gonna just compete for like a handful of
rewards for the community yeah no i think it's super exciting. Oh, can't let's do it. Sorry. Yeah, I'm here.
I'm sorry that I was late.
I'm going to be quite honest.
I do love being a little fashionably late.
I am at the event for my child.
His name is Nacho.
Let's get some prayers up for him.
He's completely fine.
He's just an idiot.
Anyways, we are here.
We are so back.
Core is super exciting.
Not a PFP collection. I don't even view it as a secondary collection i don't even view it as a gaming nft you know all the bullshit
cliches cores aren't a gaming nft like they're the whole console because they unlock the full
gaming and rewards experiences um in terms of just like all types of different activations
on chain so like you have you know your abstract rewards you have your sugar town ecosystem rewards and like just even your in-game rewards it's like this beautiful
uh micro microchasm of just like actually having the games that we wanted in 2021 here in 2025.
yeah it sounds to me like it's like uh it sounds to me like it's an access token i'm good with
those i like access tokens as long as the access remains so i like that yeah yeah so
no it's fun because like i think we've done a good job over the last couple years of proving
that we can actually execute um on our promises like we've shipped you know a ton of shit the
last couple years so now we're really kind of before we like onboard the world to crypto gaming first we have to onboard crypto to crypto
gaming and we're going to start onboarding crypto to crypto gaming i mean shit like a couple weeks
ago we did the largest nft airdrop ever with like 130 000 unique wallets getting rewards nfts in our
eco because you know we're really all about the culture here we're all about supporting the people that deserve to be supportive so you know it's just like really iterating on that
the end sorry i'm making the fucking post over here for the giveaway um do you guys have a mint
price uh public yet and then also based off of the
the how many is it going to be in the collection and then is there any like uh
gold to like get a rare or everybody getting the same thing so yeah um it's 0.069 eth because we
are petulant children uh and we thought the number was funny that is the alpha the supply is 9999
and i've not seen anybody say it yeah actually no i saw one person
say it they're like oh my god that's a lot let me tell you guys about half the supply is already
allocated to our holders and through the pre-sales so you know realistically there's only like
5 000 or so 4998 um that are like truly to be minted because i've already counted
signed sealed delivered the other half of them and as of
now there's no rarity because like
if we like kind of went and
like really grew a second IP
inside the ecosystem it would be diluted
towards our first IP which is the Auras. The Auras
are our digital identity. The cores
supercharge your access, supercharge
your rewards and so when you kind of do
like two tiers of it, it gets
really confusing, it gets really confusing it gets really
messy and like now more than ever like everything's so complicated so over built and like our attention
so fragmented we want things to be extremely intuitive and easy to understand for the users
there we go there we go it's about to be your biggest Will, let's be honest.
He's a big sucker for this type of stuff.
He doesn't like art.
He's also a D-God holder, so he's just completely bad taste in his mouth about NFTs overall.
But we're getting him back.
I mean, I'm a Ute holder. Does that count?
So is he. Yeah.
That's what he says every day um
yeah i want to know how how does one get involved in these uh these like contexts these poker
things like i feel a little left out how does this work camel so how it works is i'll i'll tap
you on the next one i'll get you your messages don't you worry about it okay that's you know i
got you it's been chaotic i know i've
dropped the bombs and messages a couple of times but i got you no it's cool man i'm not taking it
personal at all no no i know i already know anybody else but um i do unfortunately i am
getting called back to get my fur child so no do your thing very short sweet um make sure you guys
get your cores on Tuesday.
It's like Tuesday, Wednesday.
Wills, I can't wait for you to be the biggest holder.
If you don't have a playlist already, hit me up.
I'll make sure you're covered.
And thank you so much for, you know,
letting us pop in here and run our mouths for a little bit.
Oh, absolutely.
I'm posting this giveaway up top here in just like 47 seconds.
What's next, Tommy?
Perfect world. You guys minted out. And, you know um what's next tommy uh perfect world you guys minted out
and uh you know what's next on the roadmap yeah i put uh i put the the mint details that we posted
today uh pinned to the to the spaces if you go there and then there's like the second the last
image is called the ecosystem, the cores ecosystem guide.
That says like a lot about I think the whole ecosystem
and what we're trying to build.
I think a lot of folks have been pretty burnt out
by Web3 games, Web3 gaming in general.
What we want to do is take a different approach.
So instead of like all inning on one game,
one mechanic or like one Ponzinomic,
we're kind of doing a spread like shotgun approach.
So we have on the left side, like
five games that we've already launched,
or sorry, already developed. A couple
of them we've launched in the past.
And the poker product, the biggest, one of the bigger
ones, we're going to launch right
after the mint. And the
way we approach like the roadmap is
to think about like, I'll take into you getting
more games. And when then you look at the middle on the right hand side staking and playground what we
want to do there is like use like passive yields like a lot everyone wants to play games not one
has time to play games every day and so instead of like playing the game you actually stake
your core to then get like passive amounts of like not just like abstract XP, for example, but also passive yield on like RTG, like kind of ecosystem.
And the big kind of flagship products that we want to launch is a wagering game, like platform.
But that's gonna be where like playing paper, rock, the rock, paper, scissors, really simple type of like, I don't mean games.
And then we're in enabling wagering so you could play against camel you could play you know
rock paper scissors you play any type of childhood game that we implement and those are much easier
much faster to build than like anything huge like off the grid probably costed you know anywhere
between 20 to 50 million dollars just to develop and get that out there that's a really high risk
bed and that's where we saw a lot of projects in the past kind of fail. We're not taking that approach. We're
taking a much smaller approach, but more of them. So instead of launching one mega game,
we launched several small games and see which one sticks and which one ever sticks. We'll lean more
into that genre and more into that type of game mechanic. So that's kind of like the vision and future
of where we see the ecosystem.
But it's kind of like one step at a time.
But we already have games built.
We're not like launching this NFT collection to raise
and then like start building.
No, that's not the case.
Once you have your NFT, once you have your core,
once you like mint,
Mint will have the first big activation ready literally the following Monday.
we'll have the first big activation ready
literally the following Monday.
Gotta love a team that ships.
That's amazing.
Ship, ship, ship.
Tommy, you know, if you don't mind, actually, I'm going to ask you one more question.
I hope you're not sweating too much.
But in your, I guess, experience here in Web3, it sounds like
you have a pretty steep Web2 background. How's it been when it comes to building a team as well as
like kind of pivoting so many different times when it comes to like go-to-market strategies?
Because I've been able to witness it firsthand, also being in chats with Campbell and things of
that nature. I remember the whole switch up and I kind of feel like there was a even a bad taste in people's mouth at the at the uh for for a little little amount of time
and then that quickly changed the way you guys just steered and kept going and you know stay
true to yourselves and your vision so if you don't mind kind of diving into to that that'd be awesome
yeah i definitely can i i'm always down to yap about the web 2 side it's just a little more
boring than web 3 um but you know to give context for folks who think like web 3 is hard and you
know what web 3 gaming is like failing um there's a stat i like to use like the apple app store the
google play store if you like go into the apple app store now, there's like 1.1, 1.2 million
apps available like right now. And about 60, 70% of that are games, which means there are like
hundreds of thousands of games available every day, any day for you to download, which also means
like that is heavy, heavy competition. So while Web2 is proven, it's almost impossible to crack because everyone else is like with massive war chests building way more than you.
And so my experience with Web 2.0, you know, working in a place that is super highly competitive and saturated, it's even harder, in my opinion, to build for unless you like have $100 million to spend. And so Web3 hasn't really cracked the full code or anything yet,
but Web3 is a sea of opportunity.
There's so many folks that can make it in Web3.
You just have one thing right.
So an example of that is Starly with Anchean Heroes.
Not a super complex game yet.
He's still building Season season two but the floor in
the middle of like the bear market i don't know about bear anymore but in the middle of this kind
of market like it went up to like 0.4 0.5 and now even though his game is off it's sustaining around
0.3 and so like to me i think there's more opportunity to build something cool and fun
in web3 um you just got to find the right people.
You got to find the folks that are really native to Web3,
but has the kind of insight to know how to extract
from the Web2 learnings.
Tamal is one of those folks.
If you guys follow A-call NFT, she's another one.
Amazing on our team.
And so we kind of find these folks who are in an intersection of both
and want to learn about the other side. And then we kind of find these like folks who are in an intersection of both and want to learn
about the other side. And then on the development side, we bring in web two native development
people. So our game lead or dev lead are all like web two native. They build the game. They learn
from Camel. They learn from A-Call and they learn from myself. And so it's fun to kind of see the
blend of the two. And it's hard. Like it's hard to build both. But you can't go, I think, too far one way or the other.
I think we have two teams that go too far, we have two will fail.
We have three teams that go too far into the degenerative side will fail.
And so it's kind of finding the balance with two.
That was so perfectly set. Definitely agree.
Wow, I'm excited.
I'm super excited. I'm going to give away the 10 allows in 15,
20 minutes from now because we are activated. The sun is setting. It is a beautiful evening.
I don't know what part of the world you're on, but yeah, the sun is setting for me and it's
another great fucking day here on Web3 Exposed. up top is uh the giveaway post very simple directions like comment join the bz discord and tag me saying hello
repost tag a friend and that's simply it very simple uh giving away 10 of those as you guys
just heard 10 of those so tommy you're obviously more than welcome to chill hang out um i'm actually curious
tommy what's the last thing you minted and why um what last thing i've meant to it was definitely
somewhat abstract i didn't mint both too i have one um i didn't mint 100 heroes because i think
i could get a lot of those there uh but i think i minted um the bearish af nft and why i've been to that i think
a couple i mean one i like to support i think a lot of folks that are trying to build into especially
new areas uh their ceo scott he's a great builder and he's done a lot of really cool shit even post
mint they didn't have a lot before mint but even now they're both building like ai tools so even
owning like a bearish gets you like full access to like their entire
AI ecosystem. And like right now I pay, I think for the super,
whatever premium chat GPT is like 200 bucks a month.
And so Scottie was able to provide like a AI tool to all of his holders for
free, just for owning like a bearish.
And so I love supporting like projects like that,
but I also like to mint projects just to learn about ecosystems.
That's probably why I first did it, and then I kept mine and bought a couple more because I think they're great builders.
Amazing. Thank you.
Appreciate your time today as well. Definitely, it's been a pleasure. You're more than welcome to pull up whenever.
Hope to meet you at one of these events. I know I've met Camo a few times, given a few nuggies.
I won't give you a nuggie, but definitely excited to meet you.
Wow, beggar. Damn, I'm not gonna lie, I'm taking it back. I haven't heard of a fire
situation in a little bit. I mean, there has been some abstract mints shout out to
the bear team um and a few others but no i i like to see teams i've been around for a while like
stick through and execute on on what they want to do did you guys know right away you're gonna go
into a new mint by by the way or did you that was like a workup like to align with marketing and things that nature we weren't actually is that I think originally back in like
last summer we were on base and like no like knock on the base team or you know
that we got we stopped some friends over there but we were looking at like where
people are moving and what makes sense for like our platform and what we want to build.
And so we met the abstract team last year and just heard about what they're building, heard about like what their CEO wants to like do as a vision, Michael Lee.
And it was like perfect alignment. original strategy we adjusted the strategy a little bit um and decided to go into this mint
to i think focus on like the abstract side of the ecosystem because owning just like a nft on
abstract will get you xp and so we're leaning into like that xp play more um and and just like
full transparency i think when you look at like and I know they hate getting compared to this, but like Blast, as much as, you know, where it is now, like Blast like cooked when it was like, you know, doing well.
Volume was crazy.
Number of users there was crazy.
And I think they just didn't lean into that more.
I think Abstract is probably going to be like a better version of that where you get to farm for the xp get to farm for the tg and all that kind of stuff but i think they're committed to like not just like
one single tg drop and they're committed to doing something bigger long term so we created the mint
like strategy and plan all around like how we create like a farming agent for us and our win
token and then how do we create a way for folks
to also be able to participate in like abstract too?
So it's like the dual farming, multi-farming kind of strategy.
Well said.
No, I appreciate the feedback and all the answering.
I definitely hit you with a lot of questions, so thank you.
No, I appreciate the questions.
I like self-questions.
Absolutely. Absolutely.
All right, good luck.
Picking 10 winners at the top of the hour.
Good luck to everybody.
We got RDC on the stage.
It's been a while.
What's going on with you, dude?
How's it been?
Pretty good, pretty good. I just heard him talking about the Web3 games.
heard him talking about the the web 3 games and from i don't know from the stuff i've seen the
the i don't i don't know that it's necessarily the the that they don't have the bandwidth on
the financial side but it's the customer base right like it's really hard to break people who
aren't crypto with crypto games and like because most of the time we're literally marketing to our sales.
And that's where I feel like a lot of crypto projects fall flat because eventually we just, you know, you're robbing Peter to pay Paul.
It's just every single project. Right.
So there's only so much in the ecosystem.
And I don't think that there's enough done to try to expand the ecosystem at the simplistic level of general consumption, right?
Because I'm sure we can all agree that the level of intellectual consumption has gone down significantly since the advent of crypto.
I'm not trying to be a hater on people in general, but it's generally disappointing when you try to explain something, anything
financial related. I mean, I gave a guy a company on building for consultants in my industry. They
make $1,500 a day and none of them even know how to get LLCs. So that's wild to me. Like we set up
trusts and all kinds of nonsensical stuff, pay their kids retirements. And so, you know, I totally
get developers and founders saying it's really hard to get money in the space. I mean, you get
people with a lot of money who can't manage any money, right? And that's how they end up with no
money. And so, you know, sometimes the best thing we can do is find the people who understand
the constraints of the system.
And we have to get those people mass exported.
And then we get people like you who've done marketing in the Web 2 side to say,
hey, if you would like to take some dollar,
you know, if you'd like to take some fish from this pond,
then we have to go talk to this farmer.
And it's just a, you know, we just have to keep leveling up our communication,
you know, we just have to keep leveling up our communication, you know, in general.
You're cooking over there.
I already see the market's heating up, bro.
The markets are heating up.
No, I do have some things.
I got a couple wild ones pitched at me that I wrote a couple papers for to see what they're going to do.
It's like one's replacing carbon credits, like the whole carbon credit system.
And I don't know. We'll see. I always just, you know, I don't want to change the world because that's how people get shot.
And I'll tell you that all the time. All my shit's paid off. I don't need your money.
And so sometimes I'm like, I'll tell you how to do it as long as you don't tell anybody that i told you and then maybe you can like try to hit me on the back end or something but but i don't want i don't want the front side recognition or i i don't want that i'd
rather not you know i'll explain it to you and i'll tell you how to do the crime shit with it
that governments and large-scale fascist oligarchies like i'll give you that shit but i don't i just
don't want to sit at the table with you because i i don't really like those people in general
not saying anything against them i just there's a lot of stress in maintaining those relationships
that i don't wish to give to strangers i just don't have that i don't have the energy to care
actually the will to care about strangers at that level if i'm being totally honest we have two of those like the conservation projects ones with some guy who runs
ngos for the un which is wild i met some rad people but i just you know what i mean it's like
that's really cool man but i just don't want to talk to you anymore because
because i just don't like the people that you talk to and i don't want to you know what i mean
like you guys they're very petty with their friendships and I'm just not interested you know what I mean that's
like a lot of a lot of stress that I don't have any interest in I'll just I'll just do this over
here and be I'd be paid off I do have like an automation project that I can't really go too
far into but it's like it's it's it's automation in the medical industry. And I think I have two people that are going to fund it so that we don't need to get partners.
We'll see.
That's still kind of, he's looking at it right now.
He's actually one of my friends.
I don't know why I say people like he's a stranger, but I think he's going to fund it.
And then he also has a pretty large consumer base for that already.
He's the COO of a medical staffing company.
So that might be non-crypto crazy.
Doesn't have shit to do with what I do in real life.
But you know what I mean?
Like I said, man, you got to keep the money in the circle.
You always have to be cognizant of what your people are doing so that you can put them on deck
with people who might be doing the same thing.
It's always good to see
you around here. Scotty, what's up?
Scotty and RDC in the same time
is fucking, that's magic right there.
What's up, Scotty?
I'm Comfian Fiat. What's up, Scotty? I'm comfy in Fiat.
You're sidelined?
I'm sidelined.
Malnourished.
I'm just liquid, that's all.
It's only liquid when the fucking number of BTC and fucking ETH is not going up, brother.
I don't understand what you guys don't get
about this.
It's still liquid. It's just
evaporating slowly.
Wait, wait. You didn't go and
poured out your whole
everything to fiat,
Not at all, but fucking 95%.
When? Today?
Oh man, the 5% might be worth more than
the 95 soon, brother.
I mean, it's not that bad.
You think the cycle is lower?
I missed one large play,
which would have been
early April when everything
was sort of at the pico bottom.
And I should have bought then.
So are you waiting for the next cycle?
See you in three years?
Yeah, I'll see you in three years.
He's going to quit spaces in Twitter soon, guys.
I made a massive, massive play on SPY, on S&P 500 Index.
Like, no joke.
Like, I almost perfectly timed the Pico Bottom.
So I'm fine.
Just that alone was good.
Hey man, shout out to Will on the suey.
I've had that since the first time you talked about it.
I just haven't been doing a lot
of shit with crypto in general but i kind of glanced at it when i see some people start
talking some nonsense on the timeline i'm like oh good goblin town got the truck and shit fuck
well let me go see what my little goblin oh little goblins is they're coming up because i cut them
all last time at 0.6 and then bought the ones i like when the shit went back down to like 0.15
increased the tribe as it were i just like that one to like .15. Increased the tribe, as it were.
I just like that one.
I like, I don't really give a shit about teams or anything.
I just thought that whole shit that they did was cool.
And I own a fuck ton of merch, masks, and all that shit.
I mean, they're in my office.
Like, one of them is right next to a, like, 250-year-old African mask I got from a tribal guy.
Like, his spear is next to it too like some old
ass shit you know it's right next to it just let him know you know what i mean we've been here
since we've been here and we'll be here until after you know type shit but yeah man the suey
i took a look at that this morning and i was like man i i think there might be two decimal places in
from where i bought in because i just don't fucking remember how long ago it was and i was
like damn i got two wallets.
Fuck what's in the other one.
And gambling shit, which is fine.
It's fine.
We're out here, bro.
But I'm saying, you know, I'm here with you, Will.
You know, in the back end, when you were preaching, Sui, I was like, man,
I bought that shit the first time we talked about that nonsense.
This entire space should be up at least on that.
Like, I don't know.
I don't know.
This is not financial advice, but if you're here to listen and whatever it is,
you can just do a little bit of research.
You find the stuff for yourself, but that's just the bare fucking...
That is the bare minimum.
Jordan, do you remember the time when we had to download 17 wallets just to get involved in shit?
Isn't shit on easy mode nowadays?
Do you miss that do
you miss having to download so many different things to get into something to get into a coin
early i don't miss that buying shit off contract like engaging with contracts oh i have to i have
to get rid of my bonds on the contract side of it. Oh, fuck. You know, like even the own curves and shit, unbonding stuff.
And then, man, it's kind of wild.
But yeah, I was just saying that, hell, when first Will first talked about Sui, I was like,
like the pig shit that the white trash people say for Arkansas football.
Fuck it, I'm in.
I'll round trip that shit for no good reason.
Have a sandwich and carry on living my life. It sounded nonsensical. I'll round trip that shit for no good reason. Have a sandwich and carry on living my life.
It sounded nonsensical.
I'll have that.
Let's see how many entries so far.
Just like, let's see how many tags.
All right, a few tags.
All right, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.
No, there's only 10 of you that tagged me in the
discord. So we're going to continue. I might start rapping. You guys think I'm joking. I'm
starting my rap career. Um, these days it doesn't matter about talent. It's about streams. It's
about views. It's about engagement. The game is rigged. You could have been building a rap career,
a social media career for the last 10 years. It doesn't matter. Guess
what? Followers don't matter. What matters is engagement and relevance. And if you have neither,
it is time for you to learn how to drop it like it's hot. So we are going to continue on a few
more minutes with this giveaway up top for the the uh sugar town cores uh that are minting
uh very soon like comment join the bz discord tag me saying hi repost tag a friend yes it's
happening technically we have 10 more minutes anyway because i posted that at 7 40. hey are
you still in dubai no brother no i it was a fun time though I'm already planning
my next trip. You sound jet lagged you jet lagged? Um not really no I did lose my voice and it's
slowly coming back so yeah I probably sound a little ee I've been waking up at like a seven
eight in the morning like easily every morning that's the only thing I like about overseas
traveling when I get back it's like simple I'm like yeah i'm winning whereas it's a little difficult for me to pop up right out of
bed at seven in the morning um but yeah have you ever been have you been to dubai like 15 times
oh what'd you do there what was the point of going for you? Work. Oh, yeah, I forgot.
You're some, like, high-level crack dev or something, right?
Not really.
I just worked for...
It's the company I worked for.
I used to have travel a lot.
It was, like, a shipping company.
Like, they do, like, freight shipping and shit like that.
and shit like that they have tankers and freighters and whatever and so there's a huge amount of
They have tankers and freighters and whatever.
And so there's a huge amount of travel.
travel and we did a lot of our a lot of our our uh ports were in dubai because it's it's one of
like the larger it's actually one of the larger off-ramp like we don't you don't pick much up
from dubai but you drop a lot off in dubai unless it's oil but even then you're you're you're you're further up you like like the the the big
oil export area i think was abu dhabi apparently i was around some guys that got that quote-unquote
oil money so uh i learned what that meant there that's almost all the money that's there is oil
money like there's almost no other kind of money there. Only a few families have it, man.
It's not like the Americas, you know, where everything is spread out.
All the goods are spread out.
Everybody got, you know.
Yeah, in UAE, it's the Altanis.
It's the family.
There's a lot of subsidized economic constructs, too.
Like, when we were in Saudi Arabia, we had to run 50% nationals because even though
the kingdom had all the money, we had to employ 50% nationals just because they already paid
them off like a shared country distribution.
It's called an NOC, a nationalized oil company.
Some of them pay distributions out to all citizens.
And so then also when you set up a business like a service company or something like that,
they make you employ a certain number of nationals.
And I promise you, they don't have to do anything because you can't fire them.
And so I bet you can imagine what type of quality workplace that creates.
I used to fuck with them all the time and say they had the
parkinson's point where like their hands would shake and they would point at some shit but they
didn't know what needed to be done but surely they thought maybe something over there type shit so
it's uh it does come out of abu dhabi too that's cool you're in shipping man fastest port in the
world singapore eight was eight point some odd minutes los angeles is like days it's crazy over the
loading uh i haven't done i've been exposed to that in a while but yeah singapore was very efficient
man i had to track shipping manifest for somebody who lied about where the steel came from and i
learned a whole bunch about global shipping that i like i for sure didn't want to fucking know that
i still haven't forgotten yet, unfortunately.
Hashtag waiting for fucking Alzheimer's.
But for sure, it was crazy.
It's like eight days for Los Angeles
is the average turnaround time.
And it's like eight hours for Singapore.
And so I can't imagine somebody looks at that
and it's not like, where the fuck do we go wrong?
Oh, that's on purpose.
It's the fucking dock workers because they make fucking insane money.
So they have no incentive to speed shit up.
That's like it's so crazy, too, because like when you do jobs and like when I did jobs in like West Africa, Middle East shit like that, when you're like, oh, we do, you know, maybe a job every couple of months.
And then they would come to work for me in the States.
And I'm like, you said y'all work how many hours a week?
You'll be there by Tuesday, bro.
This is, they don't get, we might have more labor laws than you,
but we don't follow any of them.
Like you'll be, you know, it's like, I mean, even like, you know,
the Europe and shit, they're like 36 hours a week or 40 hours a week.
I'm like, shit, or you're going to work 70, 80 hours straight. And this motherfucker, you're going to like 36 hours a week or 40 hours a week i'm like shit or you're gonna
work 70 80 hours straight in this motherfucker you're gonna work 120 hours a week if you come
to the u.s because they don't give a fuck oil companies don't give a fuck about employees for
service for service quality like you you're fucking hot them them motherfuckers might make
a lot of money but they're gonna wear the same clothes nine days in a row i think my record for
having the same shits same days straight was something like 20 something days.
Just add it.
Like you're there and you can't leave type shit.
So it's, I don't know.
It's the world is an interesting place.
Some people, which people have a good,
which people have a bad type shit.
I always tell people when they travel,
stop going to nice places,
like purposely travel to really shitty places.
Like, because if you just go to like fucking Japan and fucking like Italy and Greece, like I'm like, you're really getting a skewed view of what the world is like.
Like most of the world is fucking horrendous and you need to go to some of the terrible places to see it for a time.
And you need to go to some of the terrible places to see it for a time.
Oh, that's that's real shit.
Oh, that's real shit.
Like when we opened up, we were opening up a facility in Argentina.
Like I got us a one-day layover in a place and rented a hotel to drop luggage.
They're like, what are we doing?
Oh, we got to pull up.
And like I went to a train station.
There was some dude cooking over a fucking dumpster that was making like three-foot churros.
And I'm not sure what kind of meat.
I was like, fuck, I'm getting that.
What is it? I don't know, man. I'll let you know, like when we, you know, when we find out.
And that's like when I take my kids on vacation.
I'm like, I worked here. I know some motherfuckers that live down the way.
So we're just going to, we're going to go eat it. We're going to eat his house type shit.
Like I, I, I totally agree with you. And I think like for me, food is is how is is like the great language barrier the you
know the thing that equalizes human culture is food like you should always try to understand
like you may not have to like do dressing and all this type of shit but like when you guys come
together and you share a meal that should be the most appreciative time that you ever are with
someone because you never know like who can't afford like they're giving you
what they wouldn't give themselves type stuff and so like i'll always eat it you know it's it's just
i'll eat shit i don't like as long as i don't have to cook it type stuff but you know on that note
too i've had some i've had some shit that i just thought like there's a weird chinese way that
they make squid that tastes like what i feel like eating human cartilage would be like.
And I just can't, like knuckle meat type shit. I can't.
It's fucking horrible, man. And like I ate that and he's like,
You like this stuff?
Was that the one with like the light brown sauce on it?
Yeah, dude.
I think I even know what you're talking about. It's fucking horrible, man.
They gave it to me plain, too.
And he's like, You like this Mr. Loden?
And I was like, Nah, man, I'm gonna eat it all.
But don't, like, if it spins back around, bro, like, hit, you know, hit next.
Fucking skip that track.
That's terrible.
It is a delicacy.
Nah, man, it tastes like eating human knuckles.
Oh, you're crazy, Mr. Loden.
Yeah, man, I just don't want to fuck with cannibalism here.
Like, you know, it's crazy.
We'll just try that somewhere else.
No, I don't know.
I'm a troll dude i probably would
hate the shit again too just i like to show respect and let people know that all the shit
that they love is the best shit in the world because you can't disprove it you can't say
anything anyone does is better than yours because you only have your own enjoyment and like a lot
of times i found that the things that you hate about people or you hate about society is the shit that you understand the least in society.
And so I think I think it's always best to just let a motherfucker tell you why something is the best in the whole world, because the odds are high that you missed why.
And it's OK. That's I mean, that's the thing I tell my kids. Like, it's okay to appreciate people in their prime.
Because if they're in their season of bounty, then you have not to do but to eat at their table and enjoy the fruits of their labor.
It might be cold.
It might be the winter of your life.
And that's okay.
Because if somebody's shining, you know, get your fucking sun while you can.
Always be enjoyed when somebody else is enjoyed. You know what I mean?
Let that shit be contagious. That's the only thing you should
catch from other motherfuckers is good times.
Let the good times roll.
Tiger, what's up with you?
You calling from
home or from
you know? where you at?
All right.
I mean, Tory Lanez was tweeting from jail.
I think anybody can.
Remember when Shkreli first got out and he used to go on spaces from the halfway house?
You could hear like like, the fucking...
Like, the cell doors slamming and
shit in the background.
There's too many, like, different
times in CT where
a lot of these wild events were based off
of somebody's, uh...
Just insane mental breakdown.
Just viral moments from drug overuse, overdosing, and just mental breakdowns.
Ego trips.
Crazy content.
Crazy, crazy, crazy content.
What's up, Kuro?
What is this new new mog why nobody told me about this new mog
thing going on here bro i didn't know until like three days ago or two days ago these guys came
with some next shit i don't know what k money and those guys are cooking up but i like it
because they got everybody switching their PFP in the
I wonder how much mall goes if we're going to
Keep bull pulsing it can't be more
Than another 3x from here right
I don't know about like
Right now but like i think it goes higher much much do we even know
what caused this like what was the catalyst for this the top american pope was fucking um
arb was just i guess he was just like fucking shit posting or whatever and then he made like a bot that you can uh
comment the person the bot name and then the person's name and then that person is able to
to fucking um get the pfp like they have like a bot that does it but then you know you know
how mongers are they just go around harassing people that's
what i usually do so i'm here yeah but seriously man i don't know what the fuck they did to the
tari client but holy shit like it is bro i can't even remote install fucking windows on this thing
bro i'm likeed right now.
I'm, like, waiting for them to... I don't know what...
I heard even the Windows clients jacked up on it.
Like, did the Linux client?
Forget it, man.
It's like, I can get it...
I got it to run eventually on CPU, but I can't even get the fucking GPU thing to run because it's like, no, you have to install GNOME.
I'm like, why the fuck would I install GNOME on a fucking Linux server?
Like, that defeats the fucking point.
I'm like, plus, you don't need a GUI to run your...
Like, what the fuck have they done to the code in this thing, man?
Like, I was, like, recompiling their goddamn binaries,
like, trying to make it fucking work.
I give. I give.
It's too much time.
They're probably, like, using, like, a hook to access a video card,
and you need the GUIi there because that's where the
library is like i'm a billion percent sure you don't need a gui to fucking my on gpus like i'm
i've done it before on on gpu clusters you absolutely do not need it so i don't know why
the fuck that thing is there like insist, insisting that you install it.
It's tilting me, man.
So I was like, let me just strip this requirement out, and I'll just fucking recompile.
Then it finds, like, a fucking dozen other things that don't fucking work.
And then I, like, I wind up building basically, like, an alt client for fucking Atari.
And I'm like, I'm really not this good of a programmer.
I'm really not this good of a programmer.
There's no way this ends well.
In a way, this ends well.
I feel like it's almost like a quasi-dashboard
on some Curious George shit,
where it's like,
look, it's doing the thing.
Where it's like,
why wouldn't you just do it and not tell me about it?
Type shit, you know?
I guess, I don't know.
That's what I think it is.
That's what I thought when I was watching you guys talk about it.
I was like, oh, it must be the UR are here Matt because it wants to show you the stupid fucking animation
of the yeah that's what I figured there's some little fucking thing that's like there's a light
or a thing and it's like oh you have to see the thing and I'm like no I can just type in a command
and you can tell me the thing in a number form I don't need to see the thing but you know what's
kind of weird too like when you vibe code software if you start to look at some of the platforms like
the guys make have you ever noticed that they're almost set up to allow advertisements and so like
when you first started talking about that i was like man i wonder if the gui is just set up to
take ads later type shit i mean like that's that's the, like you said, it, this is, does not necessitate, that function
does not necessitate that.
And so I think like when I see a lot of people release stuff, it's the way that their programs
or applications look, they all look similar for the same reason, ad space, right?
And so I'm always wondering, like like llms are basically somebody else's
libraries on how you should conduct everything and whoever owns you know whoever trains the
llm can decide what actual information gets out if it's you know if it's closed loop and it's not
like grabbing internet type stuff but you can still like you can set the constraints since i
kind of wondered about like i'm not i'm the same as you i'm not really a software guy i'm just a evil like what
would i do to control any of that stuff or to set it up to be controlled and that's probably what i
would do same all right congratulations to the winners i'm tagging you guys in the BZ discord because you
guys follow directions. So if you made it in there, that's the only way you want anyway.
So congrats. It's lit. Very excited. I can't lie. I'm excited to mint this. It's been a while.
It's been a minute, but we will be back tomorrow friday spaces special guests pulling through new
new new things um i'm gonna share some new things if you're in my discord you already know uh because
i made an announcement about an announcement because ain't no motherfucking better wait
ain't no motherfucking better wait uh but Ain't no motherfucking better at weight.
But yeah, happy Thursday.
Thank you all for tuning in.
I hope you guys are consuming water
as much as you consume this fucking timeline.
Maybe even more water if you really love yourself.
And yeah, text your loved ones.
Tell them you love them.
And remind them to buy Bitcoin.
Don't be a clown and not buy no Bitcoin.
And buy meme coins only.
Good night!
Good breath!
Happy birthday, BJ! The people who have the dumbest way. We tell it that it's just enough. Switch it.
We spend the people who have the dumbest way.