You grift around, you's a clown, you's a dog, so you should know, that we know, we can't see your demons, that it's gaming on the long, long, baby.
I can't get in the motherfucking door.
I'm sorry, I was late because I had to get more Celsius because they didn't sponsor the show yet, therefore, I don't have an unlimited supply.
Welcome to Web3 Exposed, we're about to get started.
I got the Marshmallow John one, brother.
Be cool as we do, with the shit lost, they're starting to bleed, dude.
We do think it can seem to see you, think you're falling to see you when you're just part of the scene, dude.
And you ain't getting paid off your rug shit, and I have a safe assumption, you's a lame, that's why you're trying to game everybody in the space, but I think your brain is bugging.
You got exposed, you gotta go, you grift around, he's a clown, he's a boss, so we should know, that we know, we can't see your demons, that he's gaming on the long, long, long, baby.
Grift spin, shift spin, on the long switch, yeah, wrist spin, keep him out the darkness, man, pretend that that it's just an arm switch, yeah, wrist spin, keep him out the dark.
You guys don't understand, that's a banger.
Go catch that dawn on Apple Music.
You got exposed, you gotta go, you grift around, he's a clown, he's a boss, so we should know, that we know, we can see your demons, that he's gaming on the long, long, baby.
Grift spin, shift spin, got the long switch, yeah, wrist spin, keep him out the darkness, man, pretend that that it's just an arm switch, yeah, wrist spin, keep him out the darkness, man, pretend that that it's just an arm switch, yeah, wrist spin, keep him out the darkness, man, and the script is moving in swiftly, I could tell the scans when a symphony, spot him off top like a bimini.
If you got jokes, you want smoke, we could go, cause I'm sitting like a chimney, move differently, and I...
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Playing shit that they did in the studio
Celsius has hit the bloodstream
Scott, I hope you drank yours
You love to hear the story
Of how it all got started
Clearly, y'all know the vibes
I'm throwing fucking hints out here
They didn't mean me no good
So my trunk is in my hood
Gave out plenty spankings
So they got it understood
Baby concert on this wood
No fucking stars in the arena
No come around me like this good
And you can't get beside no book
But I can still write these hooks
I'm trying to get exposed, gang
But I can still write these hooks
I'm trying to get exposed, gang
Web3 Exposed is officially live
Definitely gonna get some E today
All you gotta do is drop your .E
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The ETH gets sent from random wallets
You got some motherfucking ETH
Anyway, thank you all for tuning in
A lot on my motherfucking mind
I've been a lot less on the timeline
That you guys love so fucking much
To not rage on Starz Arena
My good side's telling me
I stepped out of my comfort zone
And I shot a 40 second clip
And I need my eyebrows did
And some of y'all laughing at it
So that's all that matters
There's something in the water
And I'm not talking about
People are waking the fuck up
To launch their fucking cool idea
Who maybe sat on your hands
I definitely commend you all
Not your favorite founder
So towards the end of the show
Scott's always holding it down
So it doesn't really matter
Get into your spicy takes
Kind of throw that out there
Thank you guys for tuning in
Excited to get the show started
Because this is some wild shit
in a few years but again web3 audience we understand we're the nerds
two audiences don't and they and they may never right so don't force the shit just bring the
cool stuff that we build and integrate it with our lives now there's gonna be like no like black
and white like you know what i mean like it's gray for a long time like we gotta you gotta get
there but everyone thinks like there's just like mass event mass instead of mass extinction mass
onboarding event like taylor swift's gonna come and everyone's gonna buy music nfts tomorrow
like no it's not gonna we gotta we gotta integrate all the cool stuff why do you think spotify is
gonna integrate like web3 stuff you thought that we were just gonna build something and steal
everything from spotify hell no bro we they were like hold my beer we're listening to your spaces
on burner accounts and i heard some great examples too real quick and i'm gonna let you
cook speed when you talk about these things and this is why i love what kiro said like when i when
you talk about walmart right you can tell them about pudgies but you have to explain it all right the ip
the project when you look at the other the back end of what walmart's doing you can say yo walmart's
taking a jar of jelly or salad and you can trace the ingredients back to the farms where they were
harvesting bro you just explain how walmart's using the blockchain without saying the damn thing
just like internet right another one this is a great one for starbucks odyssey right y'all know i make a
joke with my mom because she doesn't know it's nfts you know her son works at web3 but she still
thinks web3 is crazy little crazy asian mama fool you can tell mama fool hey mom you're earning and
using points for one-of-a-kind benefits like an espresso martini making class or even a trip to
starbucks coffee farm in costa rica remember i used to always say the costa rica's farm joke
did i mention one thing about blockchain nike right we got kiro up here so bullish on on what
artifacts doing so look instead of explaining all the artifact you know someone that doesn't know
about blockchain you are not going to explain artifact in in one city right but you can be yo
you can co-create the future of nike meet nike athletes designers and fans who shape the culture
and get special access to products like the af1 tina jay like bro again i just explained crazy
artifacts hope this is called the brochure effect for all you market fake marketeers out that never read
a book this is called when you explain things too long they turn into a bro mf insurer i'm trying not
to swear because my son's here stop doing the brochure effect this turns people off you run for the
hills this is why every cx pivots every month it's a new thing staking fucking this fucking you get the
this reward system with this and man explain this shit simply bro like i just we just explained nike
starbucks and walmart without even saying one thing about web3 blockchain and now somebody could go
spread that news now but no we're like hey me and kiro gonna onboard the masses at nftnyc we're gonna
hand out flyers and stickers and fucking uh bring everybody to us no bro that's great to do that it's
called awareness but that's not the mass onboarding event like it's every day every day every hour every
minute to bring the cool stuff that's it that's the onboarding not like let's get these thousand
people let's educate now let's let's put stuff in school like university of arkansas like you know
what i mean but i before i digress go ahead steve
you're doing good i would just love listening to you going on these rants because you explain it in
such a simple way and it always goes back to the eli five right like explain like i'm five if you can
explain it to maybe um your mother and just kind of say this this is the benefits at the end of the
day then you'll you know it makes a lot more sense rather than trying to get all technical behind it
and trying to be you know showing your balls everywhere and saying yeah look at what we can
build like and nobody care about that like make it simple make it like good looking and kiro is making
me feel like i'm not gonna make it because i'm five foot ten and three quarters so hopefully i get there
and people start liking me um but the other thing i want no just get a pair of af ones you'll be six
one and a half man now they're up fucking hack like they're gleaming on the top of my shelf actually i
just picked them up so these are the ones that i wear when i go out so people people start respecting
me a bit more um but the other thing was with um nfts and blockchain just going back to uh what
zentany and will was saying we had the whole like fiasco with mr beast right and that's still pretty
fresh and nfts and blockchain is still pretty fresh to people when they even if you can try and hide it
in the back end people are going to be a bit skeptical still just because it's synonymous with
like scams because you know going back to what people were saying is the whole event was just money
draining and i was investing spectatively i mean in my wallet i have so it's a graveyard full of nfts
i bought this one that's a potato doing the peanut butter jelly dance because i was like yo this is
gonna go high like this is gonna be hype if the devs are in here listening like i hate you so much
because they rug the next day and it is what it is but yeah it was just the whole liquidity draining
um event and those people took the money ran off and they made so many projects just to drain
liquidity but yeah nfts and blockchain is still pretty fresh to people with with that so i wonder
how long it'll take until people forget about the scams and realize the technology
we got to be better leaders and be more responsible for example not launching
shitty-ass apps with chat gpt unfortunately there's uh there's no stars shining in the arena
william back to you no i just want to point out before somebody said
william i know i don't pay you enough but your wi-fi is bad i can't hear you can you repeat that
you got bad connection what about now better okay i was going to say show companies in the real world
those are those are basically the same thing right so before anybody says that this doesn't occur in
the stock market so you should just stay in the stock market like i just want to throw it out there
there are plenty of companies out there that drain liquidity from the stock market and your average
consumer to and sell products that are basically freaking workplace
i just wanted that wanted to tack on that with steve that's all
hash back to you oh i think steve rug he's i'll wait for him to get back up hash go ahead yeah so i i
think um i haven't been in this space for too long but one of the things that really bugs me is just how
complicated everything is i mean i think that whenever there is mass adoption quote unquote it's
going to happen when there's like simplicity and i can't hear him can you drop me down bring me back
up i got you fam go ahead hash word um and as far as like gaming i mean when people say that there's
games on web 3 i you know i've looked at them they don't seem like real like video games to me at
least the ones that i've looked at they're just like you know you stake something and you get
something in return which is cool but like if there's a video game like a real video game that
is being built i don't necessarily care what chain is on like as long as it's simple and there's some
level of like hyper convergence on the back end if there needs to be multiple chains that are being
used to like support the game i don't care what it is as long as it works and it's easy to use
steve you got it did you have anything i know you rugged you want to add steve no no i missed
everything will was saying um and then i just yeah had to go back down and back up but no carry on i'm
all good all good kiro go ahead yeah so i was gonna say there's different ways that you can do
activations to to give people access to to things that are blockchain based so with nike and dot swoosh
what they did was they had you connect your dot swoosh account to fortnite and then uh you receive some
like special permission i think it's to mint a shoe i'm not particularly sure but you know there's
different ways of rewarding people that get them included into the ecosystem like the whole dot swoosh
system has uh like a custody wallet that you can you know migrate to your own wallet and stuff like that
but right now i think the way forward is kind of like we got to see what these larger companies do we
don't have the the reach yet um in order to kind of affect on a global scale and it's going to take
more education not uh onboarding i don't even know what the fuck onboarding is like you got to educate
people before you put a weapon in their hands like you don't just give a fucking 20 year old a gun and
then tell him to go be a cop he has to go through training right like you know you need some sort of
basic fucking training before you send these yahoos on to fucking open sea to go get fucking
jacked because like you know open sea is not really doing it but it's only because they don't listen
people that are already here and they don't understand how to appeal to the people that
are coming right so i think it's more up to us as people that are constantly involved in the ecosystem to
figure out a way there's going to be another exchange that just blows past blur and open sea
that's more directed like a like a ebay or something of that nature where they have a custody wallet and
people aren't worried about getting drained and all this nonsense because like the the last two years
has just been pure bullshit like it's just been nonsense no thought has been put into like how we're
going to maintain these things what happens is someone passes away and they have a quarter million
dollars worth of assets inside of a fucking wallet and then you're going to go tell fucking their kids
their eight-year-old kids uh yeah your dad had money but it's in this wallet uh we don't know the password
we don't know how to access like there's a whole litany of things that people aren't considering when
they're making these products that's why they fail
hey kiro uh man dude i love that bro and fucking uh uh i thought i was looking through all these notes
man i finally found it so i remember matthew buxton from mystic games he said something super interesting
because i know a lot of people uh fuck with mystic games he said there are definitely more people
building web3 games than playing them one current trend i've seen is for studios to say their
priorities to make fun games but then they spend most of their time explaining talking about staking
chains and educating their users
i mean is that a function of i just got called out i just got called out in the chat for telling the truth
because if things don't fit my narrative what's my narrative
two months ago in my notes i found this and literally it's what we're talking about today
like that's what i mean like zintani's like what she like was talking about literally is what matthew
buxton said like said you know what i mean zintani didn't even know he fucking said that
motherfuckers come up here with the brochure effect
yeah uh we're doing this uh 17 times 48 staking on this new plasma chain
yeah you've never heard of plasma chains but we are building
the best thing and you're just like
and that's why like what zintani said about
why would you try something different if you know you can send 10 million copies
like if you make call of duty uh modern warfare 3
bro profits would clown me
i was playing all night like a clown
you know me i retired from games for like the last couple of months
soon as i think uh who is it web3 adam or someone
someone one of the punching games they're like oh the cod's out
bro i just snuck off bro like
slithered out of my computer chair waiting for it to download and bro i
profits like do you sick of me tonight
i said i can't lie to you since i've been on this call of duty
so literally what zintani says i know this my brain knows this i was like i'm not
playing this bullshit profits sent me
a video like two months ago of like like a little preview of it
what i say profits that shit's hella whack
bro i ain't playing that shit looks like nintendo 64 being a dick
bro i stayed up till three in the morning playing
living stayed up till 3 a.m playing million
go ahead brad brothers what the hell do you want
i was just gonna play devil's advocate for a second just say like is that just
is part of it like a function of the audience they're talking to like if i
you know if you invited like a web3
game onto uh twitter space it's like an nft twitter space
probably most of the questions they're gonna get and you know what they would
assume would be concerns are tokenomics things like that so those are the things
they're gonna want to go over but like you know if they were to just go on let's
say a plain ass gaming show like would that would they even talk
about that would that come up so i mean it could be a function of that but you
know to zintani's point i mean yeah i haven't found
um and jonah would know better than me but like a fun web3 game yet that i would
probably play but i'm just a totally different target audience like
to your point scott like i'm a halo kid i play halo but like there's so many
mobile games and stuff that like you know i would never touch with a 10-foot
pole but make millions of dollars uh a day you know i was actually i've
watched something else the star wars thing and there's this star wars mobile
game called galaxy of heroes and like that's just like the shitty ass mobile
game from most people's perspective and stuff like that but that makes more
that has made more money um than star wars battlefront one and two put out by ea
combined and that makes like i don't know something like
you know crazy amounts of money a month so it's just you know it depends on
the target audience i guess they're talking to but
i mean yeah we'll just have to see what that ends up being going forward
like coming in repost the room bad brothers or i'm gonna whoop your ass
what the fuck in the truck go ahead i've been waiting to just say this
scott again you're right we're all a bunch of fucking nerds and everybody's
you know i mean that's just how we talk that's how we talk to each other and you
know it just doesn't fly with normal people i mean you're supposed to make this
shit simple stupid i mean that's kind of like did they explain the end game
economy of gta before you fucking played that shit no you didn't you played it you
enjoyed it you understand what i'm saying and that's what the average consumer is going to want
out of any of these products that people are building right now they they don't want to know
all they don't even want to hear that shit people look at you like a deer in the fucking headlights
when you start talking about you know um like even how a dow works governance and all of that
they look at you like you're fucking crazy but if you make it fun for the people or you make it to
where it's actually interactive the way it's kind of just streamlined for the average person you got
a winning product you got a winning product now games make it fun make it fun that's that make it
fun that's wta man you just like you just made a click in my mind i just thought about what you said
it was pretty good um yeah it's it's almost like a lot of these games are more looking for investors
rather than looking for gamers and those are two totally different things and um nobody wants to
invest in something they have to work to invest in right and what i mean by that is you don't want
to go into a game and have to grind to make money to be able to do things you're going into a game
because a i can afford the things in this game so i'm going to buy the things in this game that helps
it make the game easier and and a lot of games are taking it from the front of how can we interest
people in hey we'll give you money if you do these things for three thousand hours you'll make thirty
you know versus like hey if you play this game you can do these things and these things will get you
better items and you'll get better upgrades and you'll be able to do more things and you got you
got to take the monetary value out of it you can always add it there like hey you can trade this in
for five dollars or you can trade this in for this massive massive massive epic upgrade
right but the upgrade's got to be worth more than five dollars in that case right and so they're
they're taking the non-monetary value and they're like okay i'll take the asset because the asset is
better and it'll make it easier to get more assets and and that's what you want to incentivize you
don't want to incentivize people to hey look at this from an investing standpoint because nobody's
investing to buy a game people are playing the game because they like to play it because it's fun
i think yeah i mean look when you said it like that when it comes down to gaming i mean i wouldn't
even add it in later i think it should just be something that's just there it shouldn't be you
know what you're talking about you know while you're talking about your gaming project is just talking about
the money aspect you should just be showing off highlight clips on how crisp and clean it looks
the gameplay you know i mean the money comes i mean somebody's gonna somebody is gonna read
your manual or read you know what i'm saying the docs and then the word is gonna get out like oh
shit i i have these assets and i can put them on the open they're gonna read they're gonna be like oh
shit and next thing you know they're talking about it on tiktok then they're talking about it on this
platform and that platform because you didn't talk about it so you let the you're gonna let your
consumers do the majority of the marketing for you if you do it right you know stop being greedy
you know at the end of the day ladies and gentlemen
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lincoln bio lincoln bio baby quick chill you already know where you're at thank you for being here let's
continue on with this great conversation spotty take it away all right so i wanted to ask basically like
anybody that has an opinion my what do you think of this i think it's going to be easier for
uh basically i think the metaverse has really slept on it oversold and i think just the same way that
like the word nft is synonymous with scam i think to a lot to a lot of people out there i mean i think
the metaverse word is just like toxic to a lot of people but i actually think you know the lines between
gaming and music are just getting blurrier and i think that it's going to be a lot easier for
a brand or or a startup or a virtual world like a other side or whoever i think it's going to be a
lot easier for them to bring in musicians that they that are going to entertain people in the metaverse
than it is necessarily going to be to like create games from scratch
scratch that attract as many people as music can and that type of experience
oh spotty bro remember we saw with the fortnight right when they brought the musicians man like
you can't even really do that many things people just emoting and it was like it was lit like the
uh was the marshmallow one yeah like like you already seen it so like that's what made me like
oh shit that's like what caught my attention and then you know meaning spotty
uh linking up with like you know seeing a bunch of people from uh web to that that that i knew
like you know melon and shit so yeah man like i always think that uh uh uh like for the metaverse
part and i hate even saying that like everything with like you know i think trading your digital
assets like in the future like why isn't that the metaverse you know what i mean like all i i i feel like
it's all of it it's all one and we just made it like this dirty word and it's like this like you
think of that old mark uh zuckerberg you know animation and you know we just saw what it looks
like now you know what i mean so hopefully what time goes on like there'll be some new word we could
use but like i call twitter spaces the metaverse you know what i mean like to be honest like
shit it's all the metaverse to me hey scott so you mentioned the ai like ai and music right like
think about if i think about any of these big ip holders you know big record labels or whoever or
just bands or artists like or just produce anybody anybody like you you i think we're you're going to
be at a point where you could just use ai and create a band you know create a metaverse band and just
have or you know bang a whole roster you know what i mean like and and that shit will be
very interesting and i don't know how i don't know how ai like affects video game development if
it's going to like create crazy efficiencies and that too but i just feel like it's about to get
really crazy at this point between like virtual influencers and and metaverse and and uh ai music
and that sort of thing spotty look a little michaela she don't even do nothing but take
pictures on instagram she got three million followers bro like like people like fiend for
her she's just like it's dapper labs like thing i yeah i think dapper owns it but yeah it's like
she don't even move like she you know what i mean and then the the warner you just saw warner sign
the first uh metaverse artist and you know i'm i think it's a very prominent ghostwriter but i'm not
gonna book it here but it doesn't matter right she got a deal and it's a fucking character and it's
the first like really major label deal because that other one remember that guy ended up saying
some racist stuff uh and his deal like went through like in three days uh the tick tock guy
um but yeah i just think for with with ai now like you said spotty uh you're seeing the 24 hour sales
women in in you know in asia you know making 800 to three grand an hour so uh why not in music like
all of a sudden we're in uh spotty got a metro booming in in his in his men and we're just
listening to metro booming inspired beats the whole time you know oh sorry there's a pudgy penguin box that
needs to be open so real quick too um i just want to point out a couple things because like you're on
point scotty like uh one thing that i wanted to point out was 2021 look i was spending money left
and right there was there was lots of things to get into so like i was there was a thing in
decentraland where they brought in dead mall so i don't know if a lot of people do about that but
that was something that they did in the metaverse and and that's something i think that will remain
right those those online concerts my price offer just in there just the higher tickets as the normal
ones right and you probably get bigger crowds um due to spacing and then less cost obviously right
the other portion too is again i'm going to roll it back to the same game i've been talking about
all day but arc survival evolved is using ai as part of their uh their gaming setup they're going
to use it to have the animals and stuff like that interact with you with ai and react to what you're
doing based off of ai um as well as a lot of other things that are based on ai because they they go
for realism when it comes to like the way the world goes so like rain snow you know night and day they
go through all that they have gamma effects to bring it down to where you can't see at night
and it's pretty crazy but um they're going to use ai to actually kind of run a lot of the game
and it will be less uh less dev involved the devs will be working on the back end to make sure the
game's running smoothly taking care of actors while the ai can kind of help control things in game and
make things a lot smoother
i don't know if anybody else i guess she's waving
yeah sorry i'm like kind of dying but i one of the other things because i wanted to add one other
point to my thesis on uh and the thesis being like the official statement being web 3 game creators
are retarded uh just another point to that and also including arc as an example if you look at
successful games that bring in money that get money from consumers they're highly manipulative in how they
do it um and i'm not saying manipulative as in necessarily a bad thing or i won't talk about
like whether it's a good thing or a bad thing whatever it's just true like in arc for example
it takes you like eight if you want a t-rex it takes you like eight hours of training taming that t-rex
keeping him asleep making sure he doesn't wake up and someone can run in and take that away from
you so you you might end up like i have spent i think at one point four days straight doing nothing
else getting a t-rex so when you think about that like there's a reason there is a reason that they
do that if you could get a t-rex in you know 15 minutes it wouldn't feel like such an accomplishment
you wouldn't be so attached to it if you look at the way that mmos are set up it's set up to be a
time grab for you and what happens then is you become very invested in this virtual thing it's
not necessarily worth more it's it's the same thing if you played another game you could get
it faster but in your mind you see it as much more valuable and you're much more likely to spend money
on dlcs or cosmetics blah blah blah or if you look at like the more extreme cases of like gotcha games
if you guys have ever heard of genshin impact which is a great example of this they genshin impact is
one of the most manipulative games i've ever played uh it it's drains money out of you and when you look
at the game by all aspects of it it's it's like an indie game you could find like you could you it's
not that great content wise but it gets you addicted to gambling without even realizing that you're gambling
okay so the and and and uh china china i believe is uh the country that really solidified this like
convince the consumer that they're not gambling and then get them addicted to gambling and uh
drain their wallet without them even realizing it you know and they do it willingly i did it willingly i
hated i thought genshin impact was mid and by the end of by the end of it i realized i'd spent six
hundred dollars i have never spent six hundred dollars on a game i didn't even realize it okay
so like this is just the way that games work when you when you're creating a game you should have the
common sense to understand like this is how the industry works you don't come in saying hey this is
exactly how everything works and then use that to advertise it people aren't interested in that that's
not the way like if you actually want to implement web 2 and web 3 you have to be smart you have to be
manipulative that's just the way it is again it's it's just it and so i i just wanted to make that
point to synopsize why web 3 devs are retards this is part of the reason why web 2 gamers kind of hate
and if what do you call because when when this started to happen um you know they kind of see
nfts as another iteration of that like some type of greedy money grabbing thing uh that people are
trying to put into games because you know there's so many people who are like buying um you know your
mom doing on candy crush or something like that but you know the the gamers that are like the loudest
voices on this stuff online like you know they've hated those type of loop box mechanics and stuff
they've always hated it and like you know if it was up to i mean they'll even use uh you know
it would annoy me because it reminded me back of the like the late uh early 2000s late 90s
arguments of like violent video games they would be like no we got to protect the children now because
this is gambling so um we uh we have to save the children so we have to delete all these gambling
mechanics but it's like you guys don't actually care about children gambling you just don't want this
stuff in your video games anymore so it's like the same thing with nft and that's why i mean we've
had this conversation before where i'm like with nfts where it's like that group is like probably
never going to come on to maybe you get some of the you know like i'm saying like the more mom types
that wouldn't realize it to like you know that buy this type of stuff or you just kind of like force
it down their throat um but like that type of group is yeah come on willingly to a lot of this stuff
i agree bad brothers i just think it's it's not really that they don't want it in their game they
just found a better way to manipulate you or get around some kind of the guidelines or
some kind of legalities so they hey guys get rid of the old and bring in the new
guys like my take on all this game five is that like it's really an issue once it's like really
based on ponzi like you go you play the game you get points you buy nfts and you get nothing
like you know the what was the name of this thing that you like walk on bnb and you get points for
walking step yeah so like this mechanism is just like onboarding more ponzi but there are uh another
cool mechanism like the guys that i think it's called defi kingdoms well like people stake ethereum
and the staking rewards going to the pool which like whoever wins the game get it so there is less
of less of a ponzi so this kind of game fi is more like based in my opinion sorry for interrupting no
no no you're gonna just um you go the hard thing is it's like you'll see what game economy is like
you know sometimes they introduce an update and the economy collapses for some reason right the
difference between that and web 3 is you know the devs can roll that back or they could adjust it
where in like web 3 if you have all these like decentralized assets people are holding these tokens
you know and someone you know doesn't exploit and gets all this gold or something you can't just ban
their account they have the tokens you can't just rip that back you know most of the time so it's like
unless you somehow design this economy exactly perfectly and anything you introduce doesn't
fuck that up like you know once that fucks up you're done so that's why even i mean there have
been you know play to earn games and stuff that maybe could have worked out but then it's like oh
you did this one thing and now it's like the whole thing's wrecked it's at zero there there are
implementations that would work and exactly just like play to earn it like whoever joins is is the
actual like exit liquidity if if somebody were to hack a game or like somehow you know steal some
of the liquidity of the pool or whatever you can you can implement wallet blacklist right keeping them
from moving those those tokens or even them from selling those tokens and i think in games that's the
only place blacklist and white list makes them right um and and that's that's the same thing that
happens in the real world right you get caught cheating in a game they can easily ban you from the game
even though you purchased it that's part of the guidelines of purchasing the game and so i think
in those type of scenarios adding a blacklist and light list to video games makes sense or if you're
in web 3 and just blacklisting wallets that do stuff like that
excuse me guys no i want to make a couple points on this if if people would one make the money in the game
a stable coin it'll fix this because then they're not going to be able to pump and dump and screw the
game over that way if they will make the assets something people actually have to hold on to
to improve and build and make them not so hard to get a hold of it's going to make it where people
aren't going to grind for eight hours or ten hours or three days to try to get one nft that ends up not
really being any better than another one and if they will turn around and make the players i know some
people don't like paying to play but make the players go back to the old idea of arcade games let
them pay to play and then share the revenues that way they're putting the money in the pool
for just a short moment of time while they're playing the game and then they're pulling it right
back out whatever they're earning to put money right back into their pockets and that keeps a constant
fast revolving pool so that people don't even have time to go in and try to hack a pool
gamers are fine with pay to play they're against pay to win that's the big thing everyone hates
real quick a quick reminder especially for mr jonah blake everybody has an opinion the same way
everybody has an asshole so if you don't like these gaming takes continue to comment below or come up and
share them and share why you don't like the takes other than that let's get back to it marco would
love to hear from you steve and then people hey hi everyone yes um yeah i i think it was a horrible
thing but i mean yes everyone has an opinion is uh it really depends like why are people playing this
game right if people are playing this game to make money who's paying the money and why are they paying
the money so it kind of really you know we have to maybe take a step back and try to understand
if people are paying playing these games for money and for profits then it's not a real game that's a
job and yeah it's not sustainable in the long run we've seen this over the last couple of years
all the play to earn games died and there is a reason why because you know money needs to come
from somewhere you can just print them we're not the fed so um but yeah is i think there is some
sort of sustainable things in the way that where people can actually get a little bit of money out
of the airport and maybe the farming they do over the time over time but you can't expect if you pay
a hundred dollars to get 120 because that's you know the math doesn't adapt
i mean it depends on the game really i mean i used to i'm sure many people here used to play
um the famous game runescape big up runescape i used to sit there and chop trees for hours
for a quest like now looking back i was like yo i was a loser but it was fun for me at the time and
runescape's economy worked in a way that you earned in-game gold pieces that were valuable because you
could sell them and you can sell them on the black market it was against the rules to sell them to
another player for real currency but you could sell them on a black market and you know there's a whole
thing about runescape funding um you know parts of uh venezuela's economy because venezuela's economy
is in the dump a lot of people earn more money selling gold on runescape than they do through
just working an actual job so for some people it can be a full-time job and it can be a game at the
same time um but yeah i think it's very difficult to find the balance between the two and hopefully they
do figure it out and you know if there's a way to sell your assets in the future i'm all down for it
i'd probably spend 500 plus on skins on league of legends back in the day i don't want to sell my
account because i like my username and i don't want like how do i get rid of my like skins for reaching
gold plus in certain seasons and i got that unique skin that's like now to my account is there any way
that i can sell that without getting rid of my account and my legacy so they're interesting concepts
i'm rooting for gaming i'm i was a big gamer unfortunately not anymore my time is spent elsewhere
i don't unfortunately have time to play but runescape is a very interesting game similar to world of
warcraft you spend a lot of time grafting the game doing small tasks quests to build up your profile
to earn more money and that money can be sold on a black market there's even staking in these games so
you have an arena where you can gamble the money effectively and you either double your money
or you go home with zero it's a very interesting game it's in terms from like an economic perspective
it's very very interesting i wonder if it can be replicated in web 3 in a way maybe that's the
play to earn but play to win is asked sorry i just want to jump very quickly that's the things like
yes runescape exists but that's a job it's not a game is yes you might enjoy to do it the same way
people enjoy their job but that is that is the job you're not doing going there to play the game right
you're not doing for enjoyment you're doing because you can make more money by playing the game
in you know very poor country uh rather than having a normal job
hey that's why i didn't dunk on remember when people were like clowning solana game players for
making like 60 bucks a day like that's why i thought man i was bullish on that bro like dudes
are playing a game making 50 bro like they can't they couldn't wish that you know what i mean like
like i don't know man this is why i hate the end all be all crypto twitter like the little
well this little echo chamber that we created you know what i mean uh but let's get to the hands uh
uh guyman what's going on uh nice for you to join us hey thanks for having us guys um i like my ears
pricked up when i heard runescape before i used to sit on that game for like i don't know like eight
hours a day maybe i was a loser kid maybe i was a guy that had a vision for something greater uh one day
and i to help me understand economies but uh that that game taught me trade that game taught me uh
what not to do to people in the wilderness uh like that that was that was a savage game uh i kind of
just wanted to introduce a concept and it's food for thought it's something that we do like we we've
brought out a model where so game is right like we are abundant in the gpu cards that we have right
or graphics processing units but graphics cards if people that don't understand that um but they're
like what i think is amazing is like that we're able to actually pay users to share their gpu power
with us to then on sell that to ai companies right and what we're doing we're doing that through a
platform that is a gaming platform so like what i what i think is interesting is like what we can
start doing by simply just utilizing gamers pcs in a different way now like what what i think is
interesting is that like we're all trying to like look for this new i don't know like closed closed
what would you call it closed token economy model or like a stable coin model that makes a bit more
sense because then there's no like liquidity leaking from it but like we've introduced the model where we
actually pay people for their gpu sharing because then we just yeah we unsell that to ai companies
for rendering i just want to know what you guys think about that if you guys have seen other models
that are similar if you think that that's a viable model for the future um yeah i'm curious
my rate is a hundred dollars an hour but um no seriously i i don't have any opinions uh on on this so
hopefully someone can chime in and give you a bit more of an insight
hey draco you you want to chime in
yeah i'm not really too sure about um gaming's take and i don't really want to deflect to it so
people if you have something that you can contribute to his take i have something completely different
uh same here family i don't want to derail this part of the conversation um so i'll bounce back if that's
okay we can switch tech that's no problems that that's all good i just thought i'd uh i'd ask i
was curious um but you're happy to be part of the conversation yeah i have something um so like
basically your take is more based around you know sharing gpu power and yada yada and everything else
like there are a ton of projects that do that kind of stuff in the space like you can i think next hash
is one where you can just use gpu power from you know some external or they can use yours and
basically mine from it and essentially you get some of the rewards for doing that um there's another
one uh i think it's i want to say avio or axio or axio something like that but it's basically where
you can use storage power from somebody else's computer you can basically it's like a virtual youtube
more or less but you can use other people's storage and so on and so like there's there's
a lot of projects that use blockchain technology aka um you know the all the different computers of the
world in in ways that are um not really exploitable and you're able to use other people's power that
they're not using right essentially but at the same time you know while a lot of people look at like oh
we will use your computer we'll pay you to do it um with current you know rates on electricity and
stuff like that a lot of time it doesn't end up working out in the favor of the person getting
the compensation to use their to use their computer if that if that makes sense so it's a hard pull for
me it's a hard sale yeah no that makes sense i've seen other companies do it and they i've seen them
run it unsuccessfully or unprofitably before we we don't have that issue we we actually like run everything
quite profitably which is really cool because uh we actually sell it to ai companies for rendering
services as well which is i think we're the first company to do it but i guess like like sort of more
to that point as well it's like what do you think is like sustainable moving forward like should should
companies or should games be bringing in functionality like watch to earn or like i don't know like refer to
earn or things like that that make a bit more sense where maybe there's a little a little less
emphasis on like the in-game token dynamics and there's other ways to like i guess add value to
gamers um i mean that that's that's already occurring too and that's without even on blockchain yeah no no
i'm aware of that more the question of what what makes most sense long term and what's most sustainable
right like i think when we look at that like i personally believe trying to draw value from outside of
the game itself and and bringing web 2 into it for example like even the watch to earn side of things
where you bring in sponsors uh they get impressions how about this what do you believe in bro
no i'm not even being an asshole i'm just like no i'm just like because
that it sounds like you're taking you have a route when i went over the branding stuff bro when i went over
the branding stuff you know what i mean like you gotta know which one of those like yo i'm hella
bullish on watch to earn this is what we're doing we're gonna be the number one at watch to earn
guyman's gonna be like bro everyone's gonna come to us we and that's yeah we not like saying we haven't
done that but that's what i mean like which one are you bullish on uh personally like i was trying
to kind of keep it a little bit open but personally we like we're we're hella bullish on the gpu sharing
like that's that's a model we know that works it's working right now yeah we've got
i get what you're saying i feel like gaming hold on will he doesn't know the rules so this
this is what i'm gonna do because you were in my boys pingu space yeah yeah so you follow me over
here you didn't even follow you didn't follow like comment repost and we let yeah i did i did i
have what i've retweeted all right all right anyway anyway listen we're gonna get your i
want to get your i know you want some free advisory here we got 45 more seconds so you
guys continue to answer these guys questions and then we're gonna move on okay uh i'll i'll be quick
so when we go on a graphics card and the current average cost electricity to use an average graphics
card like if you're looking at 37 to 38 to 30 90 like you're gonna barely cut it in profit right now
if you were just mining on your own right if you're sharing any type of gpu power with anybody
you're basically in the negative i would think on the person that that's giving you the storage or
giving you the power now if you could show me like a calculation where your your average is higher than
the cost of kilowatts then i would be you know i would be interested in seeing it doesn't mean i would
be interested in investing in it but i think that the approach here at the end of the day you know if
if you're looking to incentivize people especially if you're creating a game if you're looking to do
what you're doing and that's share gpu power and so on and so forth like maybe they're playing a game
and that game is your game and you're taking some of their gpu power as part of the game and you're
incentivizing them in game on top of the compensation then that would make more sense to me like maybe
throwing a couple nfts here there whatever and then on top of that you know what for in-game items
obviously and then compensating them on top of that then you know at least they're getting double
compensation in that in that place it would make more sense because kilowatts they they fluctuate
right and in winter time it gets way worse so even right now it'd be tough hey i have another
question guyman for you fuck shoot gaming can i use your gpus to make llms yeah you can yeah
dm me bro we're not talking about this on the space all right done easy easy can i can i just uh
reply back to will's will's comment oh of course bro that was a little side mission sorry bro
yeah yeah i'm i'm like yeah like we're the first i i'll talk to you about that in dms for sure will
like uh on on that we we've never run it unprofitably like we have 200 000 downloads and
like we've generated a quarter of a million bucks for for users and that's not just through the the
mining so like there's a couple of ways that we do it's mining but then there's also selling
mining at like we're the first company ever to sell ai uh llm rendering power sorry llm rendering
power to ai companies so like those jobs when they come in will like they're super super lucrative
like one of the community members made like 16 bucks in a day just just by sharing their gpu like
we we anticipate a minimum of a hundred dollars per month per gpu as as we scale this even further so
like i i see your point but i think when you're when you're doing it in a different way like like
we are it it becomes hell of a lot more lucrative and like mining for sure like yeah it can be
it can be definitely like tough to like break even especially with electricity costs and whatnot but
then at the same time when have you ever heard a gamer complain about electricity costs so if he's
able to like you know use like spare parts of his gpu to to like you know make a bit of income and
maybe even just like pay for pay for things that are coming in and might bring some income in i
think it's i think it's a viable model but again i always like to come in like without the opinion
and if i'm asked i'll give the opinion but uh i'm always curious just to see what everyone's thoughts
are it's always good good market research for us but hey profits uh i appreciate you girl thank you
so much i definitely liked and retweeted the space uh i'm gonna comment on it now
let's go draco go ahead i actually i had a question for y'all um what is nft 2.0
it's a made-up thing that doesn't really exist no i'm just playing draco uh like man the the the
the pivot from tribalism and speculative trading of jpegs connected to the blockchain so you know for
philanthropy carbon credits recycle credits legacy systems like aeronautics your mother's yeah i mean
i don't want to like bore the whole space no no sick of me doing this but uh yeah like i'm just
bullish on this next way that's all it is it's not like we just coined that here as a joke you know
what i mean like while everybody was rebranding and growth hacking on x we're like y'all y'all could do
that because we're on nft 2.0 so it's just the next you know the next wave bro like the next wave of
the technology and it's kind of you know we're bullish on is bringing it back to helping people
make things easier you know immutable storage you know the that was supposed to be for
so that's that's it bro it's no like no no funny business bro just this next wave bro yeah i mean
you can call whatever you want you know like the next wave of web three the next step of blockchain
we just say nft 2.0 because it's crypto twitter word no i got you i kind of assume that but you
know what happens when you assume i actually got some ptsd from like d5 2.0 from the homies that know
about wonderland and ohm and rebasing so that got me a little bit but yeah actually i want to make a
comment on what nf2 nft 2.0 would be so like at least for me i think the next step in evolution
probably is going to be more around what people care about in web 2.0 and i think like the perfect
use case is that starbucks odyssey program on polygon essentially that customer loyalty program
where people are gamified to collect these limited edition starbucks rewards because in
web 2.0 world it's getting harder and harder to collect data and i think using blockchain and using
these gamified nft assets is a good way to incentivize folks to collect provide a new
experience to consume with their products but most importantly collect wallet share on the blockchain
about a specific buyer without compromising my identity of course like you can there there could
be some compromisation if like you collect an email whatnot but i really think like customer loyalty
and those type of loyalty programs are going to be um something that we're going to start seeing
rollout for larger brands like i could see like dunkin donuts trying to do something like that i
don't know if they're that far in advance but stuff that people actually care about you're already
seeing like tokenization on the blockchain with rwas popping up i know if you guys might have saw the
pokemon cards on solana and uh yeah that's what i kind of think what nf 2.0 nft 2.0 would be if that
thing existed so that's just who sent you draco are you me in the future coming back no bro i love
you already bro i know this is the first time you came here bro this is literally what we talk
about every day bro i'm bullish on you this is your first time up dead ass this is bro we're so
bullish what's your clothes is so bullish not only on starbucks odyssey but the team that built it
forum three shout out to the boy bunchu um there's a reason why they got a bunch of money to do this
for other companies um uh and back to what you said about about the stamp collecting we just saw what
happened i made a joke of this with the pumpkin spice tumbler that you had to get the nfp for
anybody knows your baby mama your auntie your grandma they will punch somebody for one of these
exclusive tumblers so for them to do the pumpkin spice 20th anniversary one and see
people on facebook groups telling people to run to a web 3 app and they don't even know it's like
nfts or anything that's onboarding bro like you know what i mean and and another thing is
uh the what draco said about the reward program dude i made a whole thread about the lufonza thing
right like they have 38 or 30 million people in their reward system period right southwest america
airlines all these people or like what draco said they already have these systems now think of
something like lens protocol to put another way on this now southwest can put out bounties for
shout out to the homie bread is bread in here bread's in here like a you can make a bounty
system yo like so now southwest goes okay these are my super super fans if they share this post you
guys split a million miles uh southwest miles flyer miles or whatever the hell that they give away
bro now you ain't gotta waste money on some random tiktok influencer some random um you know agency with
100 grand to go hopefully deliver like something uh for your call to action and it could be a guess
there's not really i mean there's data but it never really tells the whole story but now you could be
like whoa this wallet this wallet does everything we do let's reward these 100 wallets with a million
points you know what i mean now you have the most loyal and this could be music this could be you know
everything my son's plugging his ears he's so funny he's like dad's talking about with three again
uh but no drake i just want to give you flowers bro like everything you said is like what i'm why i'm
still here and why like you know this whole i know this whole stage feels the same way and why damn near
every listener is still here um is these reward systems are about to go crazy every company's doing
it if it's not out yet like i'm sure forum three i ain't speaking for them i'm sure they got a whole list
you know that's just one company so these reward systems are gonna go crazy yeah and they start off
with small ass pilots too you know like i that's the one thing i'm like super bullish on is that
polygon team because their business development has like a huge logo list and you know the success of
starbucks are going to use that as a copy print and just like start pitching that and chilling that so
yeah man i'm that's that's super bullish and i don't know if you guys checked out jp morgan making
their own blockchain and then tokenizing some uh securities too as well so that's like a great
go ready for this one did you hear about the tokenizing your because hey bro i love you bro
we covered that story two days ago i was so hyped up i could hear it in your voice too bro uh they
you can tokenize uranium bro like this is why when people have growth spaces bro man i'm walking the
other way like there's just so much but the jp morgan the black rock assets i mean every sector
from recycling we covered trash the other day draco the recycling credits uh to the kenyan farmers who
get a reward system to buy their fertilizer for the next year so gangs can't steal their coupon
you know what i mean like but people want to tell you how to grow on x man miss me with all that
draco you're more than welcome on this stage any day bro i'm bullish on this guy bro i'm following
this guy right now all right this is a legend legend follow this guy
go ahead people bro you guys always got the biggest smile on my face i swear man this this
family is just legend so i just kind of wanted to hop back about why e3 was started in the beginning
right so i'm not big into gaming but according to vitilic he had spent hundreds if not thousands
of dollars on a specific game that he liked when he was growing up and one day when people say vitalik
again vitalik you said vitilic bro i'm gonna start calling him that oh did i say vitilic my bad my
bad you did a vitilic that's all people acting up dude if you're acting up you're a vitilic bro all
all right go ahead people my bad i mean the mic he digressed that was so funny though oh no it's all
good bro um so i so his story was you know he had logged on and i guess all the gaming assets that
he had purchased in game had disappeared and i didn't know that could happen so that's why he wanted
to create ethereum basically to be able to have a decentralized way to own your in-game assets now when
i first hopped into the space as a mod the two first projects i worked for were solana gaming
projects and the biggest issue we saw is not so much about onboarding people it's about those that
did care about the cryptocurrency rewards is off boarding the money for example for miners they can't
kyc through exchanges so all that money that they're winning in game they can't off board another issue that
we were seeing is those that believe in rev share within a company is those of us that play in the
united states you're gonna have the sec coming down on you now again i don't know all the legalities
around it i just saw two amazing projects go down because of rev share and because of off-boarding money
so my point is what i think we need to do right now to really see mass adoption is just focus
on the tech and the gaming aspect again i know a lot of speakers said this earlier but let's focus
on actually making these games fun me personally i can't do this whole call of duty stuff it gives me
anxiety but i love my paperboy bro that's the game i'm still on since you know us 90s bro like that's
what we were on so my thing is we don't need to worry about rewards we don't need to worry about
incentivizing people through currencies i think we just need to make things fun again and just get
people's attention i think that's the biggest focus and once we actually nail down our demographics
because i forgot what you said scott the other day but there's a certain age group that buys nfts
on open c you said they were within their mid-20s to 30s if i remember right i believe in the same
thing in gaming there's some people like myself that like a certain type of game there's others that
like call of duty type of games so let's focus on building that fun again and then we can start
talking about making money within those games well hey bro let's make a zentani real quick and i'll
let you cook people's hey let's make grifter boy and he throws hella scams and instead of newspapers
he throws hella scams and dms bro let's chat gpt bro right now bro you are a legend scott
hey see bro this is what happens when you guys let me drink celsius again bro like it's
i just start talking out my neck because i'm trying to go ahead
i was just gonna make a side comment that like finding out what your target audience is requires
more than two brain cells so i i think you might be asking for a bit
current uh with three devs that's a little we gotta we gotta oversimplify it for them they're struggling
those two brain cells they all have they're going haywire huh
they're allergic they're allergic to r and d
they they wouldn't know how to spell r and d that's the problem
i have trouble doing that like at sign you got to do with that you know i always fuck that up
i think it's called an ampersand i think that's the correct way that's the way see i don't even
know the name no i've got a balance but before i bounce i just want to go at the back of what uh draco
was saying about real companies doing real things uh i'm bullish on ey and their public
private blockchains that they're working on there's a guy uh called paul brody he's on twitter
he's on linkedin you can follow him and connect with him on linkedin um and ey has an annual
blockchain summit as well that you can attend for free it's uh physical and virtual and paul brody
wrote a book called ethereum for business so if you're new in the space or even if you're experienced
in the space and you want to learn about how you can apply this to real world use cases the book is
called ethereum for business and if ey are bullish on it they just signed a deal i think it's with
fidelity digital assets i think uh ey is going to be doing auditing for them i think that was
yesterday they signed the deal um yes sir steve let them know ev baby nft 2.0 so it's there right
and these are real big businesses doing real big things in real life they ain't no nobody so yeah
just for our balance i just wanted to drop that um the book's called ethereum for business a guy called
paul brody and ey do an annual blockchain summit every year that's worth just keeping an eye on
i've attended the past two years and it's beyond valuable so give it a check out and yeah hopefully
i'll catch you lot tomorrow profits good luck on your um event tonight hopefully it goes well
hey i'm gonna show real quick for me and profits because we never do don't worry it'll be free for the
homies but i steve i'm glad you brought this up uh me and profits uh just published a 15 page uh
web 3 for enterprise business for c-level execs so steve i love what you just said i challenge more
people and go ahead and run it through the chat gbt it'll be human so go ahead and try to play that
game but yeah man we're really proud of you as soon as uh the worldwide distribution goes live me and
sis will be posting it but yeah man like you know doesn't take a brainiac man just take the knowledge
you know and write 15 pages 20 pages don't gotta be nothing wild no yeah uh guyman go ahead oh
i was gonna say real quick yeah steve i brought up ey like uh maybe like a month ago on the show
because that's just like a whole side of you know what's going on in blockchain that like people aren't
even exposed to like you'll see it like basically on linkedin but yeah i worked i worked there at
like uh you know 2017 ish and they and they've been building on you know ethereum since then and
they did not stop you know for the bear or the bull you know what i mean so those are the types of
things that are happening in the background that like we don't get exposure to on crypto twitter
they keep chugging along and they're going to be you know a huge part of that nft 2.0 for sure
and bad brothers they don't even have nfts remember we was talking about that the other day like
you go to house of web 3 they're like yo i've worked in web 3 for four years but i don't own
one like did you like i don't own a monkey picture i don't have a penguin i don't own a seal i don't
like it's cool though like like that's actually but i gotta go ahead man
yo i was just gonna talk on uh what people uh people market was saying before so this is something
that like yeah a lot of people in the space don't know but when it comes to rev share the reason why
people go under usually in the sec jumps in uh is because obviously like if you do rev share and it's on
an nft becomes a security right in the us so the way to make sure that you remain compliant is
instead of just giving people passive rev share you actually need to get them to conduct an action
and then you give them money in return for that action right so i came up with this idea or this
concept about a year and a half ago uh where you could effectively productize community engagement and
like this is something this is something completely separate to gaming but just something cool for
people to understand is like uh you can actually get people to say for example just go and engage
with all your tweets or your like just in like liking commenting retweeting and then what they become
then is your micro influences and then instead of paying paying it to them passively you say hey you
just got to get a like or comment or retweet this and then we can give you the would-be money that
would have been rev share as a payment for your service right and then uh like on the books and
your pnls it's an expense as a marketing expense because all those people are your micro influences
uh but that's just a way to remain compliant i thought it was uh just cool knowledge to share with
the space hey i mean that's definitely the future bro like uh like how i was explaining earlier with
like you know the downer fee systems you know like it's just like i don't see another this is why i
was so bullish on socialfy right like or social currency whatever you want to call it um yeah but uh
go ahead draco yeah i was just gonna comment on the whole web3 gaming thing because i feel like
majority of people that are on twitter commenting on web3 gaming aren't gamers and i think they're more
investors and i feel like if you're making fun games i know like people want to play fun games
but in reality i think web3 is a huge experiment especially with gaming and the thought of being
able to create a tokenized economy is extremely enticing that's why you see some of these brands
just throwing money in here um and i think you need that with the audience that we have here left you have
either people that really care about the space investors and traders but the 10 of us all in
here you know majority are here for some monetization like people that are gaming they love to game or
there are people investing in the potential of what that game could be so i feel like you have like that's
part of it right crypto incentivizing folks and giving people money to play games and finding like a
tokenized economy within these game plays i think is the future and that's why people are trying to do so
like regardless if it's fun or not i feel like if there was no token majority of people would not
play and fun games they just have to be fun and if you create a right token that hits with the right
people the token can then blow up in the bowl or whatever and then you attract you know web2 people i
just don't see how a web3 game can really blow up in web2 without having a token pump unless like
they're able to reach the masses and the only way you can reach the masses and people have their games
that they're already playing you got the nba 2k you got madden you got ufc you got um counter-strike
you have you're competing with call of duties and halos roblox minecraft i think the monetization part
is what's going to attract people and it took like axiom infinity two years to really blow up people were
playing that game for two years before it actually blew up and it's still thriving and people are actually
making a living off of it and i know in the us like that's our standards is like a successful game
means a huge pump in their token but in reality i think we need to like take a step back and look
at what the metrics are for success are for web3 gaming and um you know like there's a whole active
community of people that love the game they're still playing and i feel like those type of people
those type of communities that are still here aren't getting as much love that's what i think
and tanya go ahead i think the issue or like the issue from my stance is that unless we're
onboarding web2 which sounds so fucking stupid now saying it out loud because it's so many so many
retards say that so many retards say that phrase and it's like i don't think they even know what those
words mean like so many people say words that essentially mean nothing but they love saying
words anyway um so i i hate using that phrase but unless we onboard web2 we're just exchanging liquidity
amongst ourselves and like giving ourselves a worse and worse name for web2 and we need web2 and i am
using phrases as web2 we need the normies if you want to be early in on something and make a lot of
money the normies have to come in at some point and not in a way that it's like some big scam and then
they're scared off again like i honestly at this point i don't know how crypto is still i've been in
crypto since 2015 it is crazy how often like the whole world will hear oh my god everyone made tons
of money on bitcoin and then a couple months later everyone on the news is like everyone is getting
scammed in in crypto and it just happens over and over again i don't i don't understand how
it's happening but like the issue is onboarding making something sustainable as opposed to making
like a pump and dump like there's so many people here in these spaces that are just like i see them
as leeches it's like they don't want to build anything they don't want to make anything that lasts they
just want to sit on their ass and make generational wealth off of a scam or a or a meme token it's
like they essentially provide want to provide nothing to society and this is not how societies
work like this is not a sustainable foundation that we like everyone talks about this technology but
it's like what are we doing with the technology fucking nothing and when you look at web3 games it's
like the worst in my opinion or maybe i'm biased because i love i i spend so much time playing games
it's like it's atrocious these people aren't that it's the problem is these people aren't making
games that are fun they're not concerned about making games that are fun if you go into any web3
dev space or website or whatever they hyper capitalize on the making money aspect it's just
more of the same bullshit more wanting to leech off of the economy we have here it's just it's
that's what i'm saying is like the issue like if we want a future here that doesn't completely
crumble in on itself because right now we have a community of a bunch of gambling addict addicts
essentially we need to start building things that are actually real that actually and when you look at
games again this shit takes years it takes years and a lot of fucking money you're like i don't trust
any single one of these web3 gaming whatever the fuck they're just showing it's like the same thing
as a shitty nft it's like shitty art but they're all showing it anyway and saying it's gonna be the
next the next big thing but it has no real value well i feel like no i i believe you're you're you're
right and i think majority of the players in the space are trying to be earlier they're trying to make a
bag do you think that's because we like to market shiny things like how come i think it's because
so many people here are fucking lazy trust fund babies or something like i don't know where the
fuck these people like when i talk about when i see people in these communities it's like you had to
have lived a privileged life because you don't understand the world like the way societies operate
you're supposed to be giving something you're not supposed to just a leech off of the economy
you're not we're like we live on a planet that functions in a certain way and there's like
at least the way i see web 3 it's just a bunch of really spoiled kids it seems like
like takes work people don't want to work they work so hard not to work i feel kind of attacked
because like i'm not lazy okay i'm anything but lazy so
since i'm not talking about you is it pronounced sin sin tani is it sin tani or am i pronouncing that
correctly yeah it's sin tani sin tani can i be like the knight in shining armor here for you like out
our platform we have 250 000 downloads and they're all web 2 users they have no idea our our platform runs
on web 3 tech like what you're saying really done that's what i was fucking saying yeah yeah we've
already done it with that yeah yeah look i if you can check like so so you don't lose complete faith
just honestly just check out the thread and shoot us a dm i'd love to have a chat
help is here yeah that's great to hear man again like i've been saying it forever like the way that
we get real liquidity into these markets is you have to be manipulative or like maybe i shouldn't
say that word since that's what you do but like web 2 people shouldn't be buying into web 3 they should
just be downloading a game like they shouldn't know what's going on everyone's ruined the reputation of
this place the only way the only way to fix it is to make something sustainable without people
knowing that they're even using it and then say hey by the way did you know that this is run on this
technology in my opinion so that's sick hey jay what's going on nice to see you here man uh go ahead
and uh go ahead and uh cook brother what's going on scott profits appreciate y'all having me on love the
show always tune in um i'm up here as the advocate for web 3 gaming um i do agree with some of the
takes that have been expressed on the show tonight as far as user acquisition onboarding being difficult
um some games being really bad but i do believe that we've that was a two year maybe two years ago
that was like a common thing i do think that web 3 gaming has expanded tremendously and i do believe
that just some of these things aren't hitting on certain people's radar like there's games being
built in the east right now for major companies whether it's a token involved or not there's
players i'm in a number of groups that play these games constantly i do know that crypto twitter is
like a bubble and we often do think that we're trading liquidity between each other and it's just us
playing these games but there's like a whole ecosystem that evolves outside of twitter even people
that i know that play these games aren't as active on twitter or don't have huge followers so i do
believe that we have seen a growth of web 3 gaming um like exterior games there's games and platforms
that you were probably making the hurt of program barorties that have kind of saved the nft space and
save trading and how creators can monetize nfts and and keep this kind of business model that was created
with nfts going so i do believe that there's a lot of innovation and a lot of good things going on
on the game and i don't think it's just a couple of guys in their basement throwing together a fast
goal of game and saying hey we're going to put a token in this and play there's like real legitimate
builders companies behind some of these games i think it's just it just doesn't hit certain twitter
so crazy or x whatever you want to call it it just doesn't hit certain people's radars and some of
those things just get missed they fly on the radar then when they pop up it's like oh where did this
come from where did this come from and i think it's just sometimes they just get missed i really do
think that that's like an overall sentiment is just that some of these things are just kind of like flying
under the radar not for gamers like web three gamers like are super excited they're talking
about games all the time there's games with hundreds of millions of dollars ten millions
of dollars funding like almost every week there's a new funding around closing but i do think that it
just kind of gets missed on certain people's radar so i do encourage everybody to just dive a little
bit deeper scroll through look through don't just give up don't think that they're all just
shit games there are some really good games i have some really teams that are trying some new
things um which would be in the future again an ecosystem where your assets are owned whether you make a
penny off of them whether you make ten dollars off of them whether you make 20 off of them
the fact that a gamer can actually resell their asset or own their asset will always be a big
deal it can never be like that'll never change whether i can sell my game back we sold if you
my age 30 plus you took your games back to ebay i mean eb games when you didn't want to play them
anymore yeah you got 10 cent on a dollar whatever you got back from it but you still traded it in you
take your 20 even if you spent 50 on it's the same concept and also one more thing before i close out is that
all gamers go against their best interest we hate everything we hate free to play we hated mobile
i hated online gaming when it first came out i thought it was a joke i was like why would i want
to play online against some stranger now it's the norm so i think we see these shifts in gaming every
so couple years and i think you're seeing another natural progression it's going to take time to get
there it's going to have it's going to have it's going to have it's pitfalls but eventually we'll
cough that rubicon and when it does it's going to be the norm just like free to play even if we don't
like it free to play is the norm mobile games are norm online players and all so appreciate the time
guys and thank you so much for bringing me up oh no i appreciate you jay that that was a dope take
man um man i see the legend smokey up here what's going on with smokey yo uh just enjoying the
conversation um yeah it's nice to you know hear people talk about like real adoption right and i
think you know within the web 3 space we have a bunch of individuals that are very knowledgeable
about nfts and nft use case but it's like you're not going to attract the masses uh you know like think
think about how long it took for us to become familiar with all these different things that
you have to do like downloading a wallet like you know going and buying cryptocurrency right like
like holding an nft making sure that that nft doesn't get you know stolen from me because there's
like 18 000 people all sending me a you know a scam link about a play to earn game that i just need
to download onto my computer and test and they're going to pay me to test it right you know
know so i mean yeah it's just it's just wild to think that that is going to uh drive mass adoption
you know i mean i mean it makes me think about draft kings and their strategy or reddit and and their
strategy right it's like you know these these are non-custodial you know where where individuals are
using nft use case technology and then it's like this it's like a trojan horse right
then over time then the idea is introduced like hey by the way you know these are on the blockchain
and then you have real digital ownership over these assets right i mean draft kings has done 228 million
dollars in volume right and like those people don't know that they're using nfts you know i mean it's been
out for about a year right like they're they're reddits you know they've they've minted 20 million
avatars right and and the a large portion of those individuals they don't know that those are nfts
right they're just using the technology right so i think um you know and i i definitely agree with like
like look i'm i'm not super into web 3 gaming just just because like i'm not like a super big gamer
but i do like playing games and i just haven't really seen anything where i'm like man this seems
really fun like let me go play that right like i i don't i i think i agree with zentani's like kind
of stance where it's like you know people are just making stuff just to try to make a buck
right it's like oh yeah let's just like put this out and then we'll just slap web 3 on there and
then we'll be able to drive some speculation but it's like that's not going to push the space forward
you know what i mean like we need real users we need like real individuals coming in outside of this
this small little web 3 bubble of however many active people that we have left in this space which is
like way down you know so but i think the good thing is there are people that actually are building
these you know structural the structural foundation for this so that after this massive speculative
um you know event that we've had like we're going to have these foundations laid out for real
adoption right i mean the same thing happened with with the internet and the dot-com bubble right there
was this massive speculative event and then you know individuals threw money at it it was insane
it was way you know it wasn't sustainable and then everybody was like you know when the bubble burst
they're like oh it's doomed like the internet will never be anything right but like we saw how that worked
out and i think the same thing's going to happen you know for for nfts you know for for crypto for you
know all of these things that we're all interested in it's just gonna take some time and it's probably not
going to uh you know it's it's gonna look very different from what we're imagining
hey man w take as always smoking i'm glad you said that and i uh you know we don't want to like
be too one-sided so there is good news we covered this like i think like two three weeks ago um but web
three gaming projects still raised 600 million you know in quarter three and i love smokey what you said about the
foundation stuff because just because like the bigger firms like a16z weren't weren't as like
interested in investing gaming as much as like this quarter they're doing what everyone else did by by
you know putting it towards investment firms you know foundations like we got to build the the the
bottom first right so people like go oh the the funds are all leaving well hey uh you know jonah's
still here no he left or he's probably all upset at us uh but jonah will tell you like i think it's
like a little over two billion still invested you know in in the web will quote unquote web three
gaming whatever you we want to classify those that so um yeah like i just yeah 50 lower deal flow
but on the good end you know like like smoky says it's going to take some time and people it didn't
go to under a billion like uh you know the front facing part of web three did that was even scarier
so i don't think gaming gaming is in too much trouble people are still interested but you know you'll
people will pick out oh well a16z and you know these other dope top firms aren't no they're just they
already got enough money in like people don't realize that you know but they still have in it's not like
like they're yanking it like they're like dude we we put a lot in already so this next quarter we're
gonna you know do you know investment firms or and maybe next next quarter you know it's ai stuff
like who you know we don't know um but yeah this like i i don't want our web three gaming community
think we're just you know being on being done we just bringing up all kinds of points like you know
we don't want to have one-sided stages uh but go ahead peoples go ahead and cook bro oh i'm just glad you
said that scott now i know a lot of people like to dunk on polygon but we all need to remember zed
run zed run is still around and was one of the very first web 3 gaming projects to come out and
their investors were actually able to make money and they continue to make money by being able to
sell their assets on open c now one thing that i do realize though is again our target audience and
i know we've beat that dead horse a million times but for example the degen mentality on solana i think
has hindered us so bad because it's so easy to transfer let's say three dollars worth of soul into
usd and then transfer to your convois and then boom you're done i think like zetani said if you built a
game where people can actually spend their in-game assets and the currency to buy different and again i'm not
big into gaming but i've heard the term skins um whatever that may be but if you can buy your skins
um little cool tools or whatnot i think that's going to bring stability but again devs need to be
passionate and that's one thing that i see the lack of nowadays is passion if you're not passionate about
what you're doing you're not going to care about the product you're just there for the quick buck and
then you're out but again let's go back to zed run they love what they built and they're still
building and again i just don't want to sit up here because what draco said earlier i felt bad
bro i'm i definitely didn't want my take to be biased it's just for me as somebody that doesn't
have the means to just sit there and gamble on different games and let's hope this token pumps like
if i want to play a game again i'm going to go back to paperboy i want that nostalgic feeling
that's why i'm playing a game now those of us that are there to make money do it i'm all about it
that's what we're here to do is innovate and the onboarding process i think that's the part we're
kind of stuck at for example there's a game right now on solana um again i'm not trying to show other
people's projects and stuff but i personally had a conversation with one of my wife's tattoo clients
where they overheard where you can make a hundred dollars a game on this monkey game blah blah blah
the second i brought up though all you have to do is download a wallet and remember your seed phrase
boom conversation was done so again onboarding is not that smooth and that's where we need to
kind of focus our intention in my we're gonna educate people you can't just onboard them what
are you onboarding them to it's like bringing them on to a ship that's not completed yet and telling
them to go float in the middle of the ocean man it's like everything is completely backwards here
this ass backwards i don't know if you should be educating people i'm onboarding people to
linkedin kiro's right i ain't bringing nobody like that's not on this crazy ass it's like
that skeleton roller coaster where the skeletons are coming down and the humans are going up
like bro i'm not doing that bro like we already do it like we already have to go through it all i'll
ease them into this effort you know what i mean but i'm gonna start them off somewhere soft like yo bro
start on the facebook starbucks group they're hyped to go get cuts bro like they're gonna be
no beef in there go start on starbucks odyssey or something you know what i mean so no kiro i
agree bro like i i hate that word right now bro i'm just trying to you know put paint where it ain't
and put the you know you do this oh well you do that too well you need each other boom you know put
them together uh but yeah all this on board check out stardust man like if they're looking for like
an easy way to have the integration with their games just use stardust man it's simple it's like
it's like it's like 30 lines of code man to integrate it and it's like they just don't want
to do the work because they think this is going to be some easy cash grab but guess what all the
liquidity's gone everybody learned about getting robbed they got made part of networks and became
net worths of individuals they're they're learning here but they had to learn the hard way so i don't
think it's going to be that easy anymore for these guys yeah i think so like if you're going to onboard
somebody i feel like the best way to onboard them is on coinbase tell them to buy bitcoin and tell them
to learn you know why don't you educate them before you try and onboard them you want somebody to buy your
bags maybe you should get a job at mcdonald's man yeah maybe but i'm saying like if i'm going to
onboard somebody i think they need to learn why bitcoin exists and why blockchain exists and like
why so then you need to educate them you don't need to onboard them yeah educate them to buy something
you're you're trying to onboard them into something that they don't understand they're going to lose
that money within maybe a day or two if they go out there and they say oh let me go try and
buy an ordinal they don't even know how the ordinal system works they're going to send the bitcoin
directly from their coinbase to the address man it's like there are a whole litany of problems that
people want to skip but in order to have something that's sustainable you have to go through all the
steps with these people no for real and i agree with you there i'm saying if there was ever a first
step to take probably to have them read the bitcoin standard book but if people don't want to do any
education they want to get some skin in the game the only thing i would recommend them to do outside
of read that book is to buy bitcoin and hold it not saying buying like a shit ton of bitcoin but
bitcoin is a good gateway to entry into the crypto ecosystem in my opinion yeah it's interesting entry
but it's like you know there's been a couple sneaker companies that have come into the space they
decided to extract liquidity from the people that are native to the ecosystem instead of trying to
figure out a way to educate the people coming into the ecosystem that's why i'm so bullish on nike
because not only are they pumping that stock for me so i don't have to keep complaining and telling
you guys to go buy nike clothing but uh they're actually educating people on how to get into the
ecosystem you know and ease of use of being able to use a credit card in order to buy the upcoming
release tomorrow of the tina jays is is a is a good step in the right direction because um otherwise
you kind of have that whole friction with buying crypto on coinbase then figuring out how to make a
wallet and all of this extra shit that people don't need to learn yet i think you know being here early
enough you guys have access to a lot of resources so to figure out how to translate that into content
that's digestible and simple enough for the common man you know i think it's like i i think it's kind
of a little bit towards the other way like i i feel like rather than us saying we should try to educate
people we should just like build seamless tech right like for example when you go shopping on amazon
i love using this example like you you go on amazon just using the example of buying a toothbrush and
some toothpaste right all you want is the toothbrush and the toothpaste you pay for it using your card
or apple pay or whatever it is and you expect that same day or two days later right like you don't care
about what the payment processing system is that they use you don't care about how many transactions
it processes per second you don't care about the career company they use to ship it to you you don't
care it doesn't really matter like you're just like yeah just i just want the product just give
me the baby without the labor pains right i love using that analogy but i don't know like i think it
should be more on the side of creating just seamless tech and and people coming in to use them they
don't even realize that they're using it and then like were you here when i said the mullet jokes
the what joke the mullet joke if america there's a bad haircut from the 90s that people brought back
now it's called a mullet and you say business up front yeah party in the back and i right before you
got here value in the front blockchain in the back exactly what you're saying yes and i gave some
examples and you're gonna love this one because you said amazon so like walmart right you don't gotta tell
nobody but you can explain the logistics of the web three right i i said take a jar or a jelly salad
box trace the ingredients back to the farms where they were harvesting now god did i say anything about
web three blockchain nfts nothing but i just explained literally the logistic the way they're using blockchain
for logistics the other one was like nike yo is that is amazon they're doing that no walmart
yeah walmart sorry walmart yeah yeah yes uh better sustainable and you can see where things came
from um but like nike right uh co-create future uh meet nike athletes fans designers uh who shape
the culture and you get special access to products like that new air force one again bro did i say
anything about web three no i just explained what's going on and the last one was starbucks bro
starbucks odyssey right we all love it we got smoky up here uh we love four and three bunch you like
this family right we can explain it without anything to mom mom earning use points for one of a kind
starbucks benefits like an espresso martini class or a trip to the costa rica farm you know that's my joke
bro again three times in a row three big-ass brands all need deep in web three blockchain ai and i you
didn't say one word right that's what i mean like it's a mullet you know value in the front
my son's laughing blockchain in the back but uh yo outer what's up sis it's so good to see you here
i'm gonna let you cook i know you had your hand up for a while hey thanks scott how's it going um
appreciate it love the topic i wanted to jump up and respond to something that um people said earlier
when he was talking about how like there was a little bit of people in solana i guess like oh there's
money to be made there's money to be made and i think what's interesting about web three gaming
versus any other kind of gaming is kind of the motivations behind why somebody would play it
and then the consideration of how you would design the experience and design the game itself and so
and for anybody who wants to deep dive this there's a book called games agency as art that i highly
recommend you read if you really want to kind of deep dive it but i'll give you like a quick tldr here on
that so for instance if because we all are like free agents as we're like human beings walking
around in the world talking on this fucking twitter space whatever right but there's something else that
we may want to experience and so some people turn to gaming to do that for some people it's maybe like
an ego boost where you become some you know someone special on a leaderboard because you make the most
points or you kill the most people or whatever the fuck you want to play but to some people that
agency is not important and what's more important is an agency of freedom so they go and they get
lost in tears of fucking kingdom in some cavern and they feel free and that's an important agency for
them there's a lot of different experiential things that games provide for various needs
and that's why people play them like killing yourself in roblox down a mountain in like the
shittiest fucking way possible because you know 12 year olds are laughing their asses off and it's pixelated
as fuck and they don't care because it's funny and it's social that's the agency of you know
community to them and and excitement and laughter and they don't care about leaderboards or freedom
right so there's so many different reasons but what's interesting as soon as you shove web 3 into this it
becomes about the agency of money and the motivation of earning and i think it's really really hard to
separate some of this right it's almost like money in the front fun in the back and how do you
navigate that in a landscape where you know where you can't just purely remove the two of them
because i think fun is so important and all of the agencies i just mentioned and then some but then
when you slap financial gain on top of it it's hard it's kind of why like i had these pillars for a
while of like why people get into nft specifically and i used to say like okay it's you know obviously tech
tech and art and community and financial gain and careers i added that on later because a lot of
people flocked in in in the bowl like oh my god you know i'm a marketer i don't know what three is but
they needed me so here i am or whatever the fuck you're you know your role was and suddenly you're
there but i never added gaming because i haven't yet seen a web 3 game that doesn't fall into financial
gain category yet right because it's tied to it so far and so it's just this like interesting
consideration so i don't know i don't know people's thoughts are on that but it's definitely
something i think about a lot the idea of agency of why i would for free spend fucking i don't even
know how many hours like watching the link fairy sound like she's a porn star but yet i'm there for
it like it's fucking awesome that game is intense but i'm not getting anything out of it so yeah i don't
know it's uh in terms of money right so it's interesting i do love web 3 for the idea of
owning your assets i think that's huge you know like my son got fucking rugged hard by roblox in
one of the games where he lost all of his shit and cried the whole day and i'm like bro you're ready
for web 3 now you lost all your pets yep i feel you i feel you you're ready come on in
and but like if he owned all of that on chain he would have never lost any of that
shit no matter what if the server goes down so i get that like that agency of ownership that's huge
but how the fuck do we add fun to this because i think it's important
hey outer i love that that's the tricky thing right like uh it's connected to not only like
the asset has value right but the blockchain it's like two different like like battles that the poor
game has to go through before we even say is it fun or not right like the most basic thing like when
we played all my 80s babies when we played you got nintendo came with the half of mar it was half mario
half duck hunt like you just played that there's no like you wasn't you just try to beat the game you
know what i mean like fucking shoot that dog laughing mother fucking dog how many times have you shot
you just got mad you're like nah bro i'm not gonna let him do me like this and and outer you're right
like like back then like when i played even we'll even bring it to super nintendo right like i remember
on zelda then like i just wanted to be gan and blow that damn hole in the in the castle up top and
jump in there and i do that over and over knowing i knew what the end was i beat the game 50 000 times
but you always hit power reset on the old school and it saved your thing and you go back to that same
little part because you want to get three saves and that was it it wasn't like yo i need i'm trying
to earn something like you know i'm not trying to uh you know this is before competitive gaming really
got crazy and it's like now it's like well if i do this what do i get and i feel and i feel like web
three gaming outer you hit it on the head it's it it's already tricky as a project right it's already
tricky to have ten thousand so you got three thousand we'll just like be rough asking you got two thousand
holders holding ten thousand things everyone has a different personality everyone's from a
different country you know and then those things are tied to ethereum you know what i mean the and
that goes up and down as well so everyone's attitude is going to go up and down as well everyone's
do i need to sell this asset because i need to buy costco or whatever like there's all these different
things where it's just nintendo or super nintendo's just you just picked it up sonic i'm just trying to get
all these damn rings and go upside down like look at we can go upside down guys in a video game
like that's really cool but no outer like i really felt that i i feel like it's not only a problem in
gaming but it's a problem like this is why i feel like every project should burn their assets in some
cool gamified way you know what i mean like get it down to those 2 000 holders like like you know what
i mean get those are the people that ride those are the outers and the profits you know of of the
mutants you know what i mean that's the kuros of artifact and azuki and so on we can go on and
on and on and on with people you can just think of that represent but i don't want to digress too hard
yeah all right let's play on that do you reckon we could ever become like a well do you reckon
there's ever going to be something like the movie ready player one where there's a one world maybe
meta brings it out or something like that and everything is just super like i don't know
acceptable there's like a lot of equality and inequality like it's i don't know like has any
please tell me everyone has seen ready player one it's like the one of the greatest yeah hey hey
hey you're gonna you're gonna chip out hey guy i mean so dan farah one of the producers is a super
close homie i've been trying to tell him about twitter spaces he's like yo get him on
it's funny i we made ready player one funko patches in my funko day and he just randomly dm me like
what is that i'm like oh shit are they gonna sue us or something like i'm like bro we don't charge
we just make these and give them out at comic-con bro he goes no bro can you send me steven and the
rest of the producers a box of these this is really cool and bro yeah literally that's how we ended up
chilling with them and being cool with him and yeah i've been trying to get him here but to answer your
question bro i want that for my music that's why i never dropped the music nft yet you know what i mean
like i always used to joke around with cure on profits that you take a much like say you're in
scoffle's crazy little japanese world right my music starts playing it's cool it's chill but when
the when the bass hits all of a sudden it's like dark japanese uh night like anime looking and now you
take a mushroom or you smoke some like whatever yeah i gotta make a kid friendly like you eat a something
you eat a flower blossom and now like everything starts changing the vibration you know on your
on your on your body changes like that's how i envision like like maybe it's not ready player one
is one one world but maybe it's like four or five of the bigger companies like you know it's blizzard
or you know microsoft has one you know everyone just has like kind of like how we play video games now
and then maybe like one of the the legacy news brands like you know nbc universal one of them get one in
there but i could see something like that and it'll be different strokes for different folks like
some people buy paramount plus some people hate mtv reruns or whatever like but now some people buy
paramount plus because they got nfl games so yeah it's different stuff but uh kiro go ahead brother
yeah i was gonna say i think the best thing for us is composable um like items for the metaverse
so they're not just stuck in decentralized or whatever it is i think we're gonna go through
like a couple cycles of different um you know we saw decentralized we saw crypto voxels you know ztx is
pulling up on people right now but that could all change right like let's say other side drops and it's
exceptional it'll be uh it'll be other side right as far as like open metaverses go i don't think there is
there's one beginning and end to it all because no one's really like maximize like what there is
out there like there's a whole nvidia rtx thing the first like game with some sort of underlying
web 3 technology that goes into that marketplace is gonna do exceptionally well because there's
millions of users already and it doesn't require you to have like a crazy graphics card in your
computer you could play it off of your tv um i think most of all people just have to realize that
none of these things are gonna stick so they gotta like there's no beginning and end to it
there's just gonna be it's just like the normal gaming industry there's just gonna be games on games
whoever gives the best most exceptional and fun experience is gonna be the winner at some point but i
don't see any clear definitive winner in the future
all right go ahead thanks so a couple things to respond to what kura just said i think
we will have kind of like a unified notion of what i like what i guess the metaverse will become
in that like ready player one sense when we don't say um something like a metaverse when we say the
metaverse and kind of like we say the internet because you go on the internet you don't go onto
an internet or a internet we don't have that yet um and it's interesting because i think we should
because similar to that like roblox idea you know it's one avatar in roblox but all of the different
individual games that people have created something from like highly rendered as like kaiju universe that
has like the most glorious like you know godzilla's rendered in beautiful light to like anything like
low pass blocky that's all a different experience that you experience with one avatar they're all like
mini metaverses in a way right so i think it'll be interesting to have that kind of combination like
just last weekend i took people through voxels because i designed like a hilarious experience for
a party they had no idea like anything about like you know that particular experience but i just showed
them like a super easy way to get into something and voxels just nailed it by having like a one click
coordinate lock check and you don't even need to sign in right you're just there um so it'll be it'll
be interesting and then to go back uh to what gaming said about this like ready player one notion i think
of immersion um i don't know if people have heard of a game called jedu which is like an ar based game
and it's kind of interesting because what happens there is you fight somebody like literally in your house
kind of like you know if you turn on um in pokemon go like you could see your pokemon in your living
room kind of thing in this game it's actually like another player that comes on your phone and you
battle them and people have experienced that like full-on heart rate like who the fuck was just in my
living room that i had a battle with get the fuck out of my house so there is like i mean i know it's not
vr which of course is kind of like you know the next level but this idea of ar gaming um yeah i haven't
played around with it too much but it's on my radar to check out it's uh just like j a d u j do um
and yeah i've just been reading some stuff about it and i'm like holy shit that's like really interesting
because i like pokemon go for going outside and just like fucking around and finding out and meeting
random people at parks and shit at the hype of it um but this is like next level like i don't know if i
want somebody in my house it's gonna be hella weird but at the same time it's to your point like
that like a physical experience right where you're like holy shit i gotta defend my living room right
that's huge jay do i'm gonna i'm gonna check that out thanks for that one
and scary like what if you forget you have the glasses on you're sitting there watching like
chainsaw massacre and then pikachu pops out of nowhere you're like oh my god right that would scare the
shit out of me like a new a whole new like level of terror like i think is possible with this too
like any kind of scary experience stuff man
i'm actually just trying to look for it on thing right now i think i found it if i find something
cool i'll pin it in the space for everyone
hey uh what was it uh it's jada.ar i looked it up it's that's a j-a-d-u dot a-r
hey alder did you see that oh god i forgot the app i sent it to profit so i'm gonna look uh where
it's like you take a picture of like any like object and instantly makes like an ar like i don't
want to say the wrong word like a filter or like a exact copy of it like the guy was at a sushi bar
just like copying his shrimp rolls like literally just right there on his phone and i was just blown
away because like me and promise downloaded it and doing stuff on the desk and yeah like it's not
like perfect obviously it's like got a little issues but i was just like wow like this apple lens
thing too like it's just like it's all coming together so i feel like that's gonna be the met
like i feel like twitter spaces is already the metaverse like i just call all this like what you're
saying out or it's all the metaverse to me um it just you know the nft part got like like
like bad tainted you know bad name on it but yeah i feel like the whole thing uh it's always been
the metaverse twitter space even clubhouse honestly yeah social audio like you know like
like we're all talking web 3 we're literally on twitter on the social audio app this is the
yo i found something on jdu i actually just went to the uh the home page i'm going to
comment this uh in the comments for everyone so you can check it out if that's cool guys but
if you go to their home page you can actually just see like a a five second gif or video that just
outlines exactly what it is and it's actually kind of mind-blowing that that's what it is like
so i can imagine that you're holding your phone you're playing the game as like the controller
but you're wearing glasses and you can see it unfolding in front of your eyes instead of
watching it on tv it's like happening right in front of you on the street which is which is insane
that's that's huge uh that's really cool
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