Hey everyone. Just checking my audio. Am I audioble? Yeah, you coming in loud and clear.
Awesome, awesome, thanks man. So yeah, let's give it a couple of, couple of minutes so that you know, I can make sure we have all the speakers and then we'll get started the right way.
All right, looks like we have everyone. So, you know, let's get right into it. Hi everyone. I'm Aman from DeepTow. Hope all of you are having an amazing day. So today we are here to talk about the Web 3 job landscape. And you know, it's such a broad
interesting topic and we have an awesome panel here today we have IAL the CEO of DeepTao we have Yosho from Sillo we have Jaris from Bangtlas we have Wal-C from Lido we have Lyur from Collider we see we have Dean from Dean's list and we have Sneha represent
and I just love the fact that the panel is so unique because when you take a topic like the Web 3 job landscape, you know, there are many different ways you can approach it, you know, for example, if you are a Dow, then I think the viewpoint is going to be something different than
if you were a tool or compared to VC. So I love the fact that we have somebody from all of those categories. So I can't wait to get this started. So just a quick agenda, like since it is such a broad talk,
I have prepared a few questions starting from the personal stories of each of us speakers, you know how they got into Web 3 and a little bit about how they navigated through all this fuss and then we'll try to talk a little bit about the differences between
working in Web 2 and Web 3, for example, what's the difference in compensation, how hard or how difficult it is to find a job, what exactly are the mechanisms used in Web 3 compared to Web 2, etc. And lastly, we'll try and sneak in a few
tips on how you can find a job as a contributor in Web 3 and we'll even talk about the hiring challenges for each of your projects and hopefully I hope that we'll get to talk about all this in 1R. So some basic keeping, you know,
So when you wish to speak please raise your hand and I'll call people in the order of in the order which you raise your hands. Excuse me if I you know mess up the order a little bit but please raise feel free to raise your hands when you wish to speak. So that's it. Let's start.
I'd like to start, why don't we start with an intro from each of our speakers, just a little bit about yourself, the project you represent, and also I'd also love to hear about your personal background and your journey through WebTree. So, who'd like to go first?
I can go. Awesome. Thanks, someone. I'm a young founder of DeepDow. Excited to be in this panel and have all of you guys around the speakers and listeners. It's really a fascinating topic.
When we started looking into the biggest buzzword about the future of work, so I'm really curious to hear your point of view about how is this future invading the present and what is really going on in the web tree job model.
We are celebrating another all-time high today in terms of a total treasury of thousand deep down. It's crossed the 20 billion threshold and it stands now at 23.5 billion.
And you can go to deep down and check it out yourself. There are almost 7 million governance token holders and 1.8 million active voters. These numbers are astounding. When you look at the history of the
We started the first aggregation of thousand deep dow was about 10 million so I don't even know how many access of growth is it in terms of the amounts of money that are managed by dow's. Now specifically on work and funding
Now, on working in WebTree, we have a category of dolls that is dedicated to this type of use case. And you can take a look at it now or later whenever you have time. There's a bunch of dolls that actually
We offer jobs on Web 3 and all of them are listed on the DAB. And you can also look at our tools dashboard for tools that potentially are meant to facilitate this new
of work on Web Tree. Regarding my personal story, how did I get to be to actually have a job in Web Tree? It's, I guess, typical to maybe many of us. I was in software and product and in 2016,
I read the first-door platforms, white papers, and immediately felt that there is something magical here. I really fell in love with the idea here and with the concepts. So I joined Adao, the first
I started chatting on Telegram, later on Discord, created proposals, voted, and eventually created a proposal that led to DeepDow's first POC. So this is my personal journey.
Over to you, Arman. Hey, thanks for sharing that, Yal. You know, I love the amazing timing we have on the space. We cross 20 billion and, you know, we have a space. Let's just get it. And it feels great to be a part of this growth in a way. And, you know, thanks a lot for sharing it, Zeynye as well.
As a matter of fact, to those who are listening, if you visit YALS profile on DeepDow, I think you can still see the proposal he was talking about, on which he got the funding to develop the POC for DeepDow. So it's quite cool in that way as well. So let me hand over the mic to Charis. Who did I like to go next? Charis.
Yeah, yeah, I'll go next. Thank you. Thank you, Aman. And yeah, I guess I'll start off with how I got into crypto. So, yeah, one day I was at home. I was at home board, flipping through TV channels and I came across Bloomberg and they were talking
about GameStop and how GME went from $3 to well over $300. And at this time, I was thinking that I needed a significant... Before this, I thought I needed a significant amount of money to really move the market and to get involved in stocks. I took a few business courses as an elective when I was going to
college but yeah I figured I needed like a decent amount of money to really move the market but after seeing GameStop shoot up over a hundred X I was like I guess I don't need too much I could put in a hundred dollars and make a decent return if that's the case so I waited for a pullback got in GME pretty early and some other stocks that was promoted by
Wall Street bets like AMC and I also was looking for positions to get into silver. But anyway, I wanted to be exposed to more volatile assets because as you know, like most stocks don't really move that fast. So I figured I'll check out crypto.
Made a coin-based account. You know how to give you five dollars of free Bitcoin for setting up an account and then it went up 20% and one day and I was like, "Alright, let me actually put some money in here as well." And then I started looking up a lot of crypto content on YouTube just because I became more curious.
I wanted to know what I was investing in. I came across bank lists. They had a video of Mark Cuban. I didn't know who bank list was before this YouTube video. But I was a studied Mark Cuban as far as how to be a more effective entrepreneur because I did have a few entrepreneurial
I was very familiar with Mark Cuban and his tactics on becoming a successful entrepreneur. I decided to check out that video. Upon watching that video, I learned that crypto was like learning a new language.
wanted to catch up with the vernacular and you know I really wanted to catch up with the lingo so I decided to subscribe to the bankless newsletter and that's where I learned about dals and then I was having a lot of fun trading until until Bitcoin hit around 69k and November
I realized it was going to be a huge drop based on the all balance volume and I really wanted to continue making money in crypto. I didn't really understand how to short assets at that time. So instead of trading, I wanted to see if I could pretty much earn a living in the Dow space. So and around this time was around this. Yeah, around this time was
Constitution Dall was raising a ton of money to in order to buy a copy of the Constitution. I thought that was really cool. So I said to myself, let me see what Dall is all about if I could earn a living in a Dall. And if I'm going to join a Dall, then it has to be bankless Dall because that was the, that was the most reliable
That was the most reliable content source that I had for crypto. So yeah, I joined bankless Dow and My first meeting was within the research guild and the governance coordinator he had poor internet connection that day. So he offered there was a bounty for anyone
to a host, the research call and the bounty was 1500 bank at that time. Bank was almost 20 cents. So just about $300 worth of bank. So I took that bounty and I figured, wow, I made $300 and less than an hour. So I'm going to figure out this dow space and understand
like how kind of living, whether it be hosting these guild calls, if that be a regular thing or what other kind of bounties are out there. And I just really fell down the rabbit hole, really beeped down the rabbit hole and just started getting much more involved and banklessed out and eventually started hosting
AMAs in which Washie here, he helped us set up the pretty much like set up a pay formula for that, set up a business strategy on how to land clients and everything for AMAs, which was primarily with startups.
and we came up with our own pay rate for that and then, um, yeah, and I was hosting these AMAs with NF thinker and uh, yeah, that was pretty much the start of my Dow experience was a research-gold hosting AMAs and then getting involved in the Dalatian ships, um, in the Dalatian ships guild where I will call that my home and bankless Dow.
Awesome, thanks a lot for sharing the garris. I love that you also created a start with trading and then slowly shifted $2 and that is sort of my story as well. I have to note that bankless is such a great place for starters and not just bankless.
all these doubts like bankless or FWB or one hive. I just know a lot of people who have started as part time contributors or just multi-time contributors at these dows and going on to do big, big things in their crypto industry. So if you are just starting out in the industry, you know, look, feel free to
out these doors and try to get involved. I'm sure that you guys will learn at 10. So next, I would like to invite Iham. Iham, would you like to speak? Yeah, absolutely. Well, thank you so much, Aman. Appreciate it. Hi, everyone. Nice meeting you all. It's really a lovely day here.
from the Civil Finance and I'm based in Austin, Texas. So I remember like I think it was 2014, 2015 coming across Vitalik's white paper and I was fascinated by the you know what was then like a small
contract and the capabilities and having worked on in the growth hacking functions for startups, I was really fascinated by the Web3 and I felt like well this is exactly what we need to become sovereign and dependent on human.
create value when we scribe value to things and then we can be free as humans and I thought well that's the way and I have to admit that I really missed the Ethereum ICO so I
That's probably a big mistake, but back then it was just a white paper and it got me into it. I think in 2015-2016 we started a blockchain project. It was an L1 and we wanted
basically Spotify to pay copyright holders instantly basically using a settlement layer that we kind of conceptualized back then and it was really early we wanted even to talk nice songs and we raised money and
in LA and for legal reasons we could not proceed but I was kind of like the way what got me into very deep in crypto and I think after we shut down that startup I was like well how do I work in this world it's a Web 3 no one is hiring and it seems that
that you have to contribute. And like, exactly, everyone stayed on this call. Well, you join a community and usually you join because you believe in their values. If there's a way to discern the values.
And you contribute and you hope that you can make some money and you hope that that would evolve into some kind of full-time job. And I think I tried for a couple of months kind of contributing, educating myself more,
about Web 3 and I think eventually was kind of lucky to be around people some friends and we've kind of eventually we've launched our own lending protocol but that's kind of like my entry to this fascinating world.
Hey, thanks for sharing that I have loved the story. Let's go to Sneha next. Sneha please tell us about your experiences. Yeah, hi everyone. So my experience is actually a little bit different but also the same.
in the sense that I started off by actually creating an application on Ethereum back in 2019 I guess and it was like when Solity was like version 0.4 or something and
just like learning about blockchain technology it was fascinating then it did not pay a lot of heed to it and basically post that I started just like because of the whole price speculation and everything that okay this is like a way to make money and this is what I can do so kind
kind of go into that just like you're in jarris's story and started reading again about all of these different projects, like chain link, pull card art, how are they basically using the tech in different ways and that again got me interested back and pulled me in
into creating like developing like developing DApps and other things. So yeah, basically then started working as a smart contract developer. And then I realized that, okay, there's like a huge, huge gap in terms of like finding right
talent in terms of finding like right smart contract developers, does developers and people with like more web 3 centric experience. So I think that was like one of the reasons why we started building social 3 which is a web 3 LinkedIn or decentralized professional
through which you can actually see the credentials that any person has and that can enable a recruiter to understand whether this person actually has good proof of work on any particular blockchain or not. So yeah, that's how we started and now we are here. So yeah.
Thanks a lot for sharing that, Snia. I love the fact that you took a prawn statement of your own and then converted that into a whole product. Love social three. Kudos for that. Let's go to Dean next. Please tell us about your experience. Hey, man. Hey, everyone. Thanks for inviting me to
join us. It's an honor because I've used so many of these tools, especially DeepDow, a daily user of DeepDow. Now, my journey is kind of similar in that first I was exposed as an investor, gone to Bitcoin very early on.
And after I saw a YouTube with Andreas Antonopoulos talking about, if you really want to be in this revolution, you need to work in it, I just decided to apply to every single job I could find that was crypto related. And at that time, it was the Web2 kind of things like LinkedIn
An angelist. So I started my journey at a L1 called Taucoin, then layer join Marlin Protocol, which is a layer 0 CDN. Then I upgrade into developer relations at Ethereum
classic, which was kind of like a masterclass in understanding how everything connects. I was there during the 51% attack, so having to coordinate between exchanges and wallets, it was an eye-opening experience in decentralization. Soon after, I discovered
whale, whale dau. That really was what kind of propelled me into Web 3 and tokenized communities. So took that experience and had our discovered Solana and replicated what we found over there at whale over on Solana in the form of
What's now called "Grape"? We want to hack a thorn, raise some capital. And "Grape" as a tokenized community have a few tools. During our experiments at "Grape" we tried this idea about giving feedback to other protocols.
And it was a big success so much so that that's how we started Deanslist which is a network state focused on power users and beta testers because you know that's one of these really important roles in our ecosystem you know these people who are
already trained in how to use these tools. And they're usually taking on some sort of risk having to connect to these protocols and try them out early on. And usually they're not compensated for any of their feedback. So the idea
The idea that we've really leaned into is what happens if you gather all of these power users, all of these beta testers together to create a product which otherwise couldn't exist if it wasn't for Web3. So yeah, that's my journey and that's a bit about what we do at Thinslist.
Awesome and thanks a lot for sharing that Dean. Well, I know your hand has been up for some time, but let me go to Leo and then come back to you because I think he might be a little short on time to Leo. Uh, this tells us about this. Yeah, now I'll get Leo here from Collide Adventures. We are a way pre
VCE based in Israel, investing globally in WebPri startups from early stage to round C&A. I am leading the platform which means that I am working with our portfolio companies and hiring and recruitment is part of key needs of every crypto project.
personal story so I've been in corporate finance for my entire career and in 2017 I jumped into the rabbit hole of crypto and started my way in basically learning and educating myself on on on the space basically connecting to people project and experimenting with
trying every new defy protocol that came out. And this is how I came to work in WebPri, started with a project doing governance for Dow, like governance infrastructure called DowStack. And from the supported different projects and
protocols and growth and business, which later moved into collider to do the same for our portfolio companies. So that's basically my background. Thanks, Lior. Finally, Volci. Please tell us about your story.
Not a problem at all, I understand. It's great to meet everybody. It's been a while journey for me. It's been a lot of fun. I'm actually a little bit newer. I'm more of a class. I don't know if it's 21 or 22, but my knowledge of Bitcoin goes back a long time, all the way back to 2010.
But I currently contribute to a couple of organizations right now like Lido, Wildfire, do a little bit of editing, video editing for GreenPel. And I have a lot to say about how I got here and the steps to get there. But in terms of my journey itself, I was actually working at a startup
And it worked with private schools in America and actually learned that some private schools were mining crypto And so when I heard that like these prestigious schools were all vastly interested in diving deeper into this industry I was kind of like it was kind of one of those moments right exclamation point kind of flashes above your head, right? You got
to look a little bit deeper, kind of was the vibe or general feeling there. So I did. Like I understood that people understood exactly what was going on with blockchain and to a lot of outside world seems kind of mysterious, but pretty quickly through like Jarosad resources like bank lists and lots of vast knowledge bases
out there like deep down, say able to kind of like you know pull myself up by my boots and get into this industry. Well I have to say about how I did that but you know just really excited to be here. Awesome man thanks thanks a lot for that. Okay so let's try and talk a little bit about the actual
three job landscape. And what I mean by this is, what do you think is its present state? Like I was just reading this report that Mesaari shared and it says that like among the 10 dollars that they use for the analysis over 100 million was allocated for
internal Dow labor in 2022. And in this 100 million, like over 55% went to like product and development initiatives. Basically, you know, for paying people to develop their protocols and stuff like that, I'm assuming. So, you know, that being said, what do you personally think is the current state
of the web 3-age-of-market. What exactly is missing from it? What kind of people do we need more? And what has been, you know, like specifically your challenges in finding the right people? Who'd like to go?
Alright, Dean, please go forward, man. So, you know, one of the things that I think is important to look at is what's the difference between a Web 2 job and a Web 3 one? And I think it's long this spectrum of risk and
reward where in a Web 3 job, the expectation is that there's going to be a higher upside and more flexibility, but at the risk of not having the same job security, not having health insurance, not having contracts.
the biggest problems is more of a mindset issue where this is a different paradigm. We can't have the same job assurances and at the same time have this great flexibility that you're offered with Web 3.
In Deanslist style, for example, we've had contributors make as little as $7 and make as much as $5,000. I really resonate with what Jarris had mentioned before where he got up to host a call and got $300 for it.
ultimate flexibility, really high compensation, but there's uncertainty on how often he would be able to do something like that. And I think that that's a great example of how work is changing with Web 3 where maybe there's not
awareness like that probably is what I think is our biggest challenge. You know right now we have more work than we have people to do it. You know there's two ways for people to get involved in our work either you purchase a citizenship and then automatically you can just start working or you earn
your way into working by showing the propensity that you've got the desire that you're there and doing some sort of addition. You get a smaller compensation if you're an aunt citizen, but you can work your way into citizenship. But yeah, to really focus on what I think the issue
issue is primarily awareness because again $300 as Jeris said for what he did less than one hour work. That's a great story. But I think that on the flip side of that is that there's still this
fear around being part of a work situation where you don't have this ultimate clearly on drop security. I think it's a good thing that we have the ability to have flexibility where you can be working with maybe 10 different dows and just jumping in and out and giving where you can.
Thank you, Dean. I resonate a lot with those points. I also personally feel that the three nurtures, hustle culture and a lot of flexibility and with the advent of service does, that thing just goes on an upward trajectory. So, yeah, Sneha, tell us your
I completely agree with what Dean mentioned about the mentality thing like that shift that needs to be there and I see this I think on a very like daily basis especially because of like running social 3B come across a lot of candidates were looking for opportunities for working somewhere
do you want to switch and I think the common thing that I usually see is that for all of these bounties and kind of dow work people are just not exposed to it. They just don't know that there is something like that out there and if they know it is more along the lines if hey if I get tokens in this particular you know that particular dow or something is this even real
money. Can I even like actually, so I think this is even a bigger question rather than the like a contributors who are kind of at that stage were thinking that I don't know if this is going to be a fixed pay versus just not trusting the system enough or as well, especially for like the countries where crypto is now starting to kind of pick up
I think this is like one consistent theme and also answering from a protocols or from a DAO's perspective I think even retaining good contributors is actually also a challenge because you see all of these newer ecosystems always popping up and a lot of projects being built and you know that okay there is good funding
behind this project and if I work here then the tokens will probably do well. But usually these contributors would work at some place and then move to another whenever that ecosystem is not that like I don't know like monetarily that like the better option as compared to the other ones.
which I think the Dows have to face the front of it because they are not able to have or retain that good talent who has like previously worked and essentially kind of and I think the solution with also kind of work around community work and credentialing them at different levels as to how much work they
have done in a particular dow and somehow kind of create a pull mechanism that can enable them to that he you have done this this this and if you continue to work with us and these are some upsides that is there so it's not like a one-off journey but it's like a like a step-pice thing that okay if you continue working with us these are also things that can happen.
So I think a couple of things here and there that needs to be done. But would love to hear from A.M. as well on what he has to say. Yeah, just when I say that, of course, like you and then Dean said that, I feel still a space reserved to really entrepreneur like
people learning curve is very steep coming from Web 2. I mean, we are currently hiding for a marketing lead and I've been talking to a lot of people from Web 2 even because I want to give Web 2 people like coming people coming from Web 2 some opportunity but I'm kind of right now
at the stage of basically saying no because of learning curve. We can't afford waiting for someone to kind of catch up to the space to marketing. You need to speak the link or really you need to understand how these spaces interoperable. It's extremely difficult to get. But my
My first point is about this space was created really by all this entrepreneur like because of opportunity cost. We had to believe first in the system. You have to believe that yes, this is a real money and this project can
get you to from point A to point B, despite the lack of the normal job security related issues like pay on time or health insurance and all. So you need to kind of like step forward and usually that you believe that cares you over. And you start investing time
I'm every day and it's an endless learning opportunity really because there's so much to learn about. Even if you're a marketing person you need to understand how at least the blockchain works. If you're an engineer you need to understand the business side, how growth works, how community building, why even
tokens are important. It can be built even if you're an engineer. So because of all this, I feel like this space, like they say, we really need more people to build in it. But we can't find a lot of people simply because a lot of people are kind of addicted to
this job security, they want everything kind of to be structured while the space is just so fast and so uncertain that we, it kind of very difficult to create kind of something similar to what we have in the technology in general outside the Web 3.
That was awesome. I have a lot of different things that you touched on right there. And if I were to comment, I'd say that there are two sides to this. For example, we obviously need talent.
And when you consider roles like marketing or fundraising on an average, it's possible that people in this profession in Web 2 is possibly has more experience than the ones in Web 3 because they've been doing that for a longer duration. But like you said, the learning curve is so steep and
they need to understand the basic concepts or they need to take the initiative of understanding the basic concepts to find work here. It's almost like we have a really good writer or a poet but that particular person can't speak English. So it's a very interesting situation there.
So, do anybody else have more comments on how one can successfully transition or start the process of transitioning from a web to a role, to a web 3 role if they were looking for one?
Yeah, please go ahead now.
I think this is a very common question that we get a lot during the Twitter spaces that we also host and the top mid protocols, especially with AIM mentioning it being around a marketing role, I think. So two things, there is a distinction between the tech and the non-tech roles and how it works here. For the tech
you might just find like roles for like if you don't want the front end developer or a back end developer role, which can be filled by someone who is in web too, but can learn the tech stack and that is something that they can and they can pretty much not like very easily but the other
is something that they can pick up and get into the field, especially if they have ever attended like CBS Hackathon. But at the same time, we're looking at the non-tech roles, like Bizz Dev roles or marketing roles. And I think like BD roles, I think there is definitely like a huge
learning curve here and I think the main thing that starts with is like understanding the principles of decentralization, understanding, order, token understanding, the incentivization mechanism mechanisms and how it is different from what you see while you can find courses etc to do the same. The best way that
If there are a couple of steps that I would encourage people to do is to actually just go out for meetups, conferences, anything and just talk to as many people as possible. Today, all of us discussing our personal stories is actually very, very important for other people to come into Web 3. Another thing that I
tell them is to like irrespective of whether you are from a web to or a web free background is to actually check out like hackathon projects that are being built to understand like what other different kind of things that can be done and also like read white paper like like if you don't understand it like sit down with someone and understand like
What is Bitcoin? After Bitcoin, why did we actually even create Ethereum? Why are we using these tokens? Why are people being incentivized in this way versus the ads that you are doing in market?
So what are the different ways things work? And then the last one would be to join like discord honestly, like be a part of like community as much as possible and see what other people are talking about, see what they are posting. I think this space moves really really fast and
That's the main thing that I think any person would look into. And for any profession, the best thing that they can do is actually have a wallet and actually use all of these dApps as a user. So you have to actually use Unisop, you have to actually use Lens or all of these
different protocols to understand what is happening or how are you supposed to use it. I actually know of people who have been working as devil at different protocols as well, but they might not have the understanding of how to operate a wallet. So I feel like there is a lot of gap in terms of the awareness and
It also has a lot to do with the current UX in Web 3 not being very friendly for people who are coming from Web 2 background. So I feel like it's going to need work on both the aspects but more or less these would be points that they can get started with be it like in any profession to transition from Web 2 to Web 3.
Thanks a lot, so yeah, we need more UX people But you know, thanks a lot for the practical tips and I love the distinction you made between a tech and a non-tech road and you know when it comes to BD because it is a very
tech intensive ecosystem, I think a BD person also needs to be a tech person to be a good BD person. And so that's where like this factor start playing. But let's keep it moving. In a wall she, you know, please tell us your opinion.
Yeah, thanks so much. I have so much to say considering I just went through this transition. So I want to say the first and I'll keep this pretty short, but everything you guys have said so far, it just resonates so hard. The barriers to entry, the knowledge level, the distinctions between tech roles versus non-tech roles.
But when all of a sudden done, that security is pretty fundamental for most people. We're not really going to be successful in this space unless we actually nail that down and figure out how to make that transition or give that job security sense faster. It was immediately to people that otherwise expected as a normal always will be their kind of thing.
specifically tools like Apple is I hate to shout them out but it didn't specifically mention one tool or another but like they really helped at least from the American perspective of being able to keep things like health insurance keep things like regular paychecks coming in in a compliant fashion right and it's we need more tools in that fashion that helps streamline that process but beyond that of course
course. One of the things that really helped me was just like I said, having a passion, I think, I, I, I, sorry, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I#
that I started with, the ones that are only here for money, they all fizzled out, all of them. And the only people that are here now, like I said, are here for a reason. And so that helps drive them, helps push them forward, helps me at least, and like keeps me engaged day to day. Thanks, Walcy.
are some awesome points. And the point you made about security, I think it becomes really interesting when you think about in the context of DAO's. For example, how does a DAO that does not necessarily have a legal entity of health insurance to its employees? So those are some big questions that we need to figure out, I think.
for Dows to hire and retain top talent. But yeah, so yeah, the mic is with you. Thanks a man. I'm actually not I don't want to comment. I want to ask a couple of questions. So I really liked snails.
comment about because it went into the nitty gritty of the tools and the actual difference in how do you manage people in Web 3 as opposed to how people still do it in Web 2 in terms of how do you incentivize people how do
you find the people and how do you pay the people eventually? And I'm really curious about your opinion regarding the status of these tools that are specific for WebTree. Obviously not in a mature state of these
ecosystem, but are we at least approaching it or are we still very early stage? So this is one question I'm really curious about. And also I know that Leo from Collider did like an overview of the of the job market. So I would love to hear a little bit of a summary from him.
Awesome great questions here. Okay in that case let's let's hear a summary from Leore and then I'll give the mic to jatis and then I hope that's okay. Leore would you like to share? Yeah sure so it's kind of in progress but for me kind of a
more I dig into the space of talent protocol and how new hires are being done within Web3. So it's kind of been more obvious that there are multiple players kind of taking advantage of the new primitive that Web3 enables in how people can
find jobs in our companies and projects can source and find candidates and the right candidates for open positions they have. So I think everything that has been said about like the changes from Web 2 to Web 3 in terms of what
what does it mean to walk in with free but now we also see a shift in how the actual job seeking and job finding has been done. So I think we have NFTs and SRB tokens like primitives that are well very common these
days and using them protocols are starting to build basically like on-chain credentials for people that allow the usage of data that is being created as you build your Web3A career. So
I think it's going beyond just web free walk because in web free you also have the social aspect you have like the defy aspect but the concept of taking credential as an on-chain opens up new opportunities for especially in the job market
So think about today that if you have like an open position and you have talent that is looking for work, usually what you have in the middle agencies that kind of have access to talent pool or have access to companies looking for help with the recruitment
and they will be the inter-media kind of doing that matches. Now with web priorities, we are getting to the stage that this kind of infrastructure is open and allows anyone that knows people in the space to refer each other.
be kind of a scout or a recruiter if you say, if you'd like, and be part of the recruitment process. So the value that currently is being captured by an agency can be captured by anyone in the community. And the idea is that because Web3 is so much oriented
to talk about community ownership and community-led marketing and growth. So there is much more chances for a community to find the right people to fill the right positions in their projects or protocols.
And also get some of the value whether it will be bounty or if it's a referral fee like we have in traditional recruitment agency that are taking sometimes between 10 to 15 and sometimes even 20 and 25% of
of an early salary for a successful placement. So I think these are kind of trends that I see that are picking up and it's still not entirely operational or meaning you do see this picking up but it does have
the challenge of how do you do the cold start, so how do you create enough demand of potential candidates or enough supply of open positions, but once we get to that phase I think we're going to see much more liquidity, quote-on-quote in that market.
Thanks a lot for those points, Lier. And I love the fact that you brought up the remedies and interest factor, everyone on which we are changing a lot of changes when you compare it with Web 2. For example, I've seen multiple job postings that require part-spents to submit their ENS or their DEN score or sometimes even
So you know it kind of goes back to Snayhouse point where she said that, you know, it really helps you if you go out and practically use all these dApps and do web stuff. So yeah, it's a very valid point. Let me hand over the mic to Jerez. Yeah, a point I wanted to make. Well, I wanted to
to add to a few points that were made by Senea and Walshi. So Senea mentioned earlier in the conversation that you know it pays off to be technical even if you're in a non-technical like even if your position is non-technical and also I wanted to add on to what Walshi mentioned about
If you're only here for the money, you're pretty much not gonna last long. Yeah, I could definitely attest to that. If I was only involved in bank list out because the price of the token was decent, when I first got involved, prior to a huge crash where bank now is roughly a penny.
Yeah, I wouldn't have lasted long. It was more so. Developing a skill is basically was going to take you to the next level in terms of personal finances within Web 3. So like just having the desire to earn money but not having any skill
to justify the amount of money that you want. Yeah, it's not going to take you far. You're going to need to have a skill that sets you apart from others and you know, makes you stand out. And that's where I wanted to add on. So, Sneha, what she mentioned about being technical, even if you have a non-technical
position is my position within Web 3 is once I understood how to become a consultant and pretty much create my own jobs and reach out to projects and submit proposals. Yeah I decided to learn a little bit of Python
on to become a more efficient marketer because Twitter doesn't necessarily make it easy to understand what keywords are trending, what people are really talking about. And then there are some social listening tools out there, but the price is up there. A lot of these projects that have advanced social listening is pretty pricey.
And I figured it must be easy like for all I wanted to understand at the time was how many times a particular keyword or a project was mentioned on Twitter to have a better understanding of what's going on and how to create more effective marketing copy. So I said, let me just see like how to go about web scraping, watch the few YouTube tutorials.
And yeah, pretty much learn taught myself how to do Python, at least enough taught myself enough Python in order to scrape Twitter and other social platforms. And what's going on and it really helped out and just having that skill and being able to mention that on your on your proposals and really make sure you stand out.
even further and allows you to increase your ask, like your price go up based on the value that you can add to a particular community. So yeah, definitely would say just because you're in a non-technical role that you should just remain non-technical because this space is extremely technical. So learning how
how to code could definitely bring it to another level as well. Thanks, Jariff. I'm sure that advice was really helpful for some of our listeners. So before I give the mic to Dean, let me just touch upon item because he had his hands up.
I am who do you like to be next? Yeah, just like a few minutes I kind of like right today I represent a project and we're in growth phase. So I say to anyone wanting to work in Web 3 or even transition to a new project, really 3 underappreciated skills and life, I think that will give you anyway.
is just being proactive, especially in Web3 is extremely important, meaning that if you see a problem, just try to create a solution and reach out to project founders or community and tell them like, "Hey, I see this is a problem and I've created a solution, maybe this is how you kind of build your
say, can a presence immediately and create ability in the community. So if you don't understand the project, just ask and try to have empathy for their problems in a greater solution and that will definitely get you in the door. So today, for example, I can see this because some people come
come up to us and say like hey guys you're at silo you have you could improve this and this and that and I can do it and this is what I'm gonna charge you this amount and sometimes you tell them like yeah sure go build it right away we're not doing an obviously a great job at kind of creating grants program but this is by being proactive in
is the first and best way to actually build this presence and the visual presence. And of course, proactiveness is not enough in its own, you need to be persistent because a lot of doors will close in your face and people will tell you like, "Go, go away."
communities will not just be receptive. So that's why patients is extremely important and disciplined, just always like learning new skills and always trying to ship solutions while being proactive. I think these are three important skills and definitely important to have in with three.
Thanks Lord Iham. Yeah, it's definitely solid advice not just for web tree, but you know, it's a way of life right so thanks for that The status all yours Dean Yeah, I want 100 percent agree with where I am so you know you've got to be proactive and you know to that effect, you know is
Sneha also mentioned this. You gotta be in the discord or you know reaching out on Twitter, GitHub, Telegram, something like that is really the bar to entry I think is kind of low in that. You have to do that as a minimum, you know, for our community. If you want
become a citizen without having to spend any money which I think is very important for DAOPS. Like people need to be able to join a DAOPS through merit. We ask that people introduce themselves when they come into the discord. And you'd be surprised how few people actually will go through the introduction. So what's great
There's not a lot of competition. There is a massive amount of information and symmetry in the opportunity in Web 3 work. One of the things that we mentioned before is about this concept of speculation on a token.
community had the same issue and we've moved away from comp connected to a token. It's now all in USDC. So how does that connect to our voting? Well, we decided that voting really is something for people who are highly active or contributing. It shouldn't just be, you know, I can hold on to this governance token.
and as a speculation vehicle. And I think we've done such a good job that now when we vote our quorum is around 95%. And that's only something you're going to get if you're only allocating voting power to the people who are in it every day.
To that effect, you know, I'm looking at our audience here. Twelve of the people in the audience are Dean's List Down members. I'm like, you know, we're a really tight-knit crew. People who are working in here are gaining equity in something bigger, and that's, you know, something new in Web 3.
You can you can play a true team game and I think a lot of web to work is a single player game and This new world we're in is this concept of a of a team game Yeah, I just I just want to add those things
Thanks a lot, Dean. And that's just amazing that there are 12 members from Dean's list out here. Hi everyone, it's great that you guys are here. So yeah, I think it's almost time that we move
to the closing remarks. So if anybody has any comments like about compensation or about other things regarding the discussion, please go forward.
I'll just chill deep down for a second. I encourage everyone to go to deep down find your profile which corresponds to your governance address or one of your governance addresses and customize, say hi, say something
to our viewers and to our actually to our site visitors and putting your skills and your interests. This is also a way to get yourself found by potential employers. And this is also corresponding to a score which is
is akin to the Dejan score only for your doubt participation. I think it's another great way to make yourself notice in the job market. And thank you, everyone. This was great, very happy to have everyone.
Awesome, awesome. Thanks a lot, you're I'll just had a with the mic to snare to please go ahead to me
Yeah, I just building on to what EL mentioned. Similar plug in for social 3, but in a different way that like we currently have a lot of jobs listed. But more importantly, I would love if any of you folks are currently like looking to get opportunities interviewing, please send me a
DMs and DM2R paid social three with like whatever credentials that you have, whatever work you have done so far and I would be happy to like get on a call and like just like you know talk about what your journey has been like what other things that you want to like go into and how can you best do that so
we can definitely sit down and review and do something like that. Also putting it out there, the market is kind of verish, the salaries etc. the compensation that we used to see in the last bull market cycle with Bitcoin was $69K or something. It's not that.
and I think it is also good in the sense that we have matured and got into the right pace scale in some sense. But that being said, the opportunities and the layoffs and everything, so there are a little bit of bearish vibes, but just hang on to it and trust when, like, just trust the whole process and just know that, like, if you are doing
the right kind of work if you're working and if you're able to ship things in the right way definitely people will notice you and you will be hired so that that's not a problem so yeah that's that's it pretty much. Thanks Neha, I have please go ahead. Thank you so much for
for having me appreciate you guys. I say we're a side of finance. We're always looking for contributors. Please join the space, join our discord and we're looking for people to help us from creating landing pages to helping us with PR with really a really
like anything that comes to mind, would you like to contribute? We're an open community to everyone. Anywhere you are, we're happy to come to say well and thank you again for everyone for listening. Amazing, that's just great, I am. Thanks a lot. So you know, if I were to sum up
Obviously, there were a lot of points and I wish I could tell everything once more, but I can't do that. But to anyone listening, we talk a lot about mentality, being proactive, being a learner. It's not just a Web 3 thing, it's not even a startup thing, that's a way of life.
The ecosystem is experimental when it is research oriented and changing every day. That's the way it is supposed to be. And as people who loves progress, I think that's how we all should be as well. So embrace that mentality. And from my two years of full-time experience in Web 3, I'd love to say that
I'd like to say with full confidence that the ecosystem is very welcoming and like many people said the barrier to entry to your first job is quite low. It's almost nil. You know, you can always jump on the discord of a Dow and like earn compensation through merit. You can earn governance rights through merit. You can do bounties.
So check out Dows like Sillo and Banclas and all those Dows you can go to deep down to find a bigger list of those Dows you can contribute to. And it does not really matter what your background is. For example, my background was in physics and right now I'm doing product and beauty. So it's all up to your interest and perhaps
The one thing I'd love to say is that there is a decentralization or a globalization that we're three is bringing about in terms of working conditions. For example, someone like me who does not have an English accent and lives in the U.A. can work with IAL from
Israel or like Jar is from the US. So having the skill is the only thing that matters, you know, the opportunity right now is more and more open to everyone, you know, at any place in the world, you know, at all walks of life. So feel free to check out everything.
and you know, go all in. I wish all of you all the best. And I thank everyone from like my end as well as DeepDows and for attending as a speaker and also joining as a listener. We hope to see you again soon next month in another space. Have a great day everyone.
Thanks so much. Thanks everyone. Thank you. Thank you.