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Recorded: Sept. 30, 2025 Duration: 2:01:51Space Recording
Short Summary
In a lively discussion, crypto enthusiasts explored the evolving landscape of partnerships, token launches, and the significance of social media influence in driving project growth. David's new advisory role at Cookie signifies a strategic move to enhance on-chain tracking through social media insights, while the competitive nature of KOL awards highlights the importance of influencers in the crypto space.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. Yo.
Oh shit.
David is rugging.
David.
Yo, is it working?
Yes.
It still shows me. Oh, there it goes.
Do you want to try getting the co-host or is that going to rug you?
Send it to me.
Because I don't see it right now.
Alright, let me do it.
One second. Oh, and Andrew's coming too.
There he is.
Let's see if this works.
Fucking Andrew.
Oh, he's rugging. Of course.
Where is he?
Okay, mine's good.
The UI, like the UI for Twitter spaces is so shit, man.
What are you thinking about?
I kind of like it.
No, I mean, like, I notice every time when you, like, join as a speaker or, like, it's
always, like, delayed.
I don't know if maybe it's just my phone but
sometimes it will show me like people are listeners when they're actually speakers that's
a bit annoying yeah have you ever have you ever listened to a space on the desktop version of
twitter it's even worse it doesn't show any speakers even though it like people are speaking
and you can't see the little three lines beside the name to know who's speaking.
And you just hear noises, and it's terrible.
Damn.
Andrew?
Yeah, guys, from here now.
Yes.
Damn, dude, I love when it just works, Andrew.
Like, usually you rug.
I don't know why.
You need to join, like, three times before it works.
Today's a good day
recent the co-host
Oh shit forgot about yeah. Yeah. Oh
Andrew didn't win the KOL of the year award
Do the model KOL you won my awards yes, he was fourth or better
Yeah, if I could choose you would win too but professor crypto won
the award this year last year too back to back but how does he do it like it's
yeah I was gonna you know what I'm not gonna say it but I'll text out the chat
yeah I don't know it was a bit um uh interesting awards let's say yeah if he three-peats he might
be in in conversation as the goat like alongside Michael Jordan you know some of the best to ever
do it so yes dude I don't know I don't know who picks the winners but it is kind of I don't even
think it's a real award thing right like they award thing It has to be like a marketing stunt
Yeah, there's no like central organization
that gives out awards
How does Professor Crypto
who I've never heard of
win like before Ansem and Kobe
that makes no sense
The best part is just
his name is so cookie cutter
it's like Professor Crypto
Yeah, he does not look like a professor The best part is just his name is so cookie cutter. It's like Professor Crypto.
Yeah, he does not look like a professor.
It's ChatGPT generated, to be honest.
And like, I think after he won the last one last year,
I'm pretty sure his prices got posted on Twitter.
I think he was charging like 20 bands for a post on YouTube or something.
So like his prices are probably more than anybody else on ct wow i i can imagine he's been making like yeah making crazy money dude can you imagine like
being like i'll just use avac to example because coops here again like coops uh regular at this
point coop we appreciate your support uh joining some of the dumbest and smartest spaces of all
time imagine like being like a chain like avacs like, you're trying to get a KOL list together.
And, like, you're like, yeah, guys, I think Professor Crypto would be fucking fantastic.
Yeah, I'm just paying him, though.
That's the thing.
He's obviously, he must be doing something, right?
No, I didn't.
I think you can just pay these judges to vote for you, like it's it's like undisclosed and like you just kind of win the way that like you know like some people
just pay for certain awards and shit it's like hey bro it's like think about it it's like paying
forbes to write an article on you yeah at the bottom it's like paid yeah i know a lot of people
do that for like seo um what's what's his twitter does anyone even know it is it professor crypto
yeah I think Beast ICO tweeted it
damn
let me find this
because I've never seen him on twitter
no I've never
the only time I've seen him was last year
when he won the award and this year
I've never seen like anything in between
it's hilarious I mean good for him I've never seen anything in between.
It's hilarious.
I mean, good for him.
He looks like a good dude.
I just don't know what he does.
I think he's from the US, right?
No idea.
Andres, are you going to win the KOL award next year?
I'm already with talks with the guy that won it this year.
Me and Kubrick are connecting with him right now.
Man, who the fuck is that guy?
I've never seen that man before.
Me neither.
I was just saying, I've seen him this year
when he won and last year when he won, but never
ever accept those
two times. Yeah, I saw some
insane tokens that he
sponsored or talked
about. Pretty good fucking
exits, to say the least.
What's up, lad? What you up to?
What's good? Not much.
I feel a bit rusty.
We haven't had spaces in
four days.
But I'm good. I'm good.
Kaido. Staking Kaido has been fucking printing if you have stakes.
So that's good.
So many people fucking winning right now. So good to see, man.
Yeah, I'm down a bit of my plasma bags.
Yes.
I bought more, though, David. I'm LP-ing everything in the one you sent me on Beefy.
Yeah, same.
I added a bit more to it yesterday.
I'm just treating it like a bit of a passive DCA.
We'll see though.
I don't know.
I think Plasma should do well.
Yeah, dude.
I'm also just DCAing.
If I believe in it at 1.4, then I'm a bitch.ing like if I believe in it at 1.4
then I'm a bitch if I don't believe
in it at 1.1
that's my thing
so yeah
I don't know I'm buying
what else was happening David
oh you announced you're an advisor
for Cookie you want to talk about that
I did I did I'm working with
the team I've been
speaking with them for a few months now and the team's super super like good Philip like the CEO
has a really good grasp on like attention the cross between you know social media noise but
then also the cross between like
on-chain activity and I think that's where Cookie's trying to go um and we got in touch and spoke a
while back and like now I'm just going to be helping them with marketing stuff strategy stuff
um trying to craft a narrative around you know Cookie being more than just an InfoFi platform
I think they've you know before they even got into the whole InfoFi space, they were a big data platform in Web3.
And they're trying to bring that side out more
because they have, like, incredible tools to track,
like I said, the cross between, you know,
social noise on CT versus what's actually happening on chain,
which is a great thing because, you know, social noise on CT versus what's actually happening on chain.
Which is a great thing because, you know, we can have 10,000 people
tweeting all day about a ticker project or a coin.
And if nothing's happening on chain, we either know these people are all LARPs on CT or we know like something's the project really isn't that great
behind the scenes and vice versa.
So it's pretty cool.
Good.
How did it pick up as a advisor did you like when you say you've been talking to them for months like how did that even
begin they reached out to me actually i was just tweeting you know what you know what happened
when it was like when info 5 was kind of like super hot a few months back um i tweeted a bit like not shitting on info 5 because
i'm still very bullish on the whole thing i'm a big believer in it but i was like shitting on the
idea that like you know just rewarding someone for posting a tweet that mentions a specific project
like that doesn't actually accomplish anything and what you what we should really be trying to track is like whose tweets about the
project lead to on-chain activity so like if bandit if you post about a project and you can get
i don't know ten thousand dollars worth of volume or flow to move on chain regarding that specific
token or vaults or staking whatever one tweet from me is like 10 billion in money. Exactly, right?
But like someone else might have more followers than you,
get more engagement on the tweet,
and yet drive lower flows to that token or to that project.
And it's like there's a disconnect between like...
Professor Crypto.
Yeah, exactly.
There's a disconnect between like info and influence is like the way.
And I wrote tweets about this.
And then Philip actually reached out to me.
He's like, hey, listen,
like I want to have a call with you.
Like I like your takes
and I think the way you're thinking about InfoFi
is the same way we're thinking about it at Cookie.
And yeah, we ended up talking
and finding a way to work together.
So I'm excited for it.
All right, good shit.
I hope you get billions of dollars
and you're happy there. I have Col for it. All right, good shit. I hope you get billions of dollars and you're happy there.
I have Kalano too.
I don't speak much with Kalano, so I'm going to say hi.
I like the Walsi PFP.
I used to be a Walsi Kalano before I put my Milady on.
Yeah, good morning, good afternoon.
Thanks for having me, yeah.
You know, I heard Andrew has an announcement to make, which I shared.
By the way, nobody's retweeting this space.
I don't know what kind of hosting duty you're doing here.
Dude, my co-hosts are fucking...
They don't give a shit.
Useless, absolutely useless co-hosts.
You've got the worst of the ones.
You know, one that lives on chain and one that keeps asking how.
So, yeah, but good to be here.
Nice for you to have me.
You know, I don't mind like you
know listeners you don't need to engage to the fucking spaces but my co-hosts like come on guys
you gotta fucking put in a pretty little retweet dude we've been over this laziness is a strategy
ben it's gotten us this far this quickly don't change the playbook. Yeah. We have usually a pretty... What's that, Kelowna?
Yeah, I've got a question for you, actually.
Okay, okay.
I noticed...
Congratulations to Androz, by the way.
It seems like he's got a real job.
So that's good.
A real job?
It's funny.
But I noticed today that he actually changed his bio.
And there is no longer mentored by
bandit in his bio so I just wanted to kind of get some alpha on the fud
happening between the two of you and if there is anything we should know as a fan in the audience
I don't know why he's fudding me like when he was small he was like thank you
bandit now he's like I don't even know that guy like he took me out of the bio
like I don't know I'm no longer he took me out of the bio like
I'm no longer a co-host of this space. I'm I'm coping hard
Andrew should we bring in a fourth co-host? Oh, no, there's no like Yeah, I mean we can do it but like you know how this is now this is like you getting invited to among us
This is the same thing. Oh, it's kind of like when peach is like pity invite. I'm like, yeah
I'll start my own group chat with whale and you guys don't talk to Oh, it's kind of like when Peach's pity invite, I'm like, yeah, you teach your pitiness on that side.
I'll start my own group chat with Whale and K-roll if you guys don't talk to.
Listen, I'm kind of shameless.
I don't care.
If someone doesn't invite me, I'll fucking say, hey, I heard you're going there, and I'll fucking invite myself.
I don't care.
I want to have fun.
Yeah, no, I'm kidding as well.
By the way, Kalano, you have not been observing this correctly.
This has been, Dubai has been changed for quite some time now.
I've been fighting Bandit for a few weeks now.
So, you know, jokes on you.
I see.
Since you're working with Reach, your attitude, even your voice has changed.
Oh, shit.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So I don't know what to do with that.
Andres bought a BMW,
bought a fucking gold necklace,
changed his whole clothing style.
Yeah, that's it.
That's definitely it.
I respect it.
I think you should...
You should...
Dude,
when you do well,
you should become
a bit of a dickhead.
Like, I strongly believe that.
Well, you know, hopefully not become a bit of a dickhead. I strongly believe that. Well, you know, hopefully not.
A dickhead, dickhead, at least to people.
There's levels.
You shouldn't be mean, but you should know that you're that guy.
When I'm walking in the street, I can tell who's doing well and who's a fucking lazy ass.
You can just tell by how they walk.
That's true.
No, no, Bennett, you gotta go to high-end restaurants to see how they behave
That's what it is. I
Know Andrew you're like
Fuck in Swedish if you say like fine taster like you're the type of guy to smell the wine before you drink it
You're asking. Yeah, it's funny because I do do that. I do switch it and smell before I drink
things i do do that i do swish it and smell it before i drink oh my god yeah yeah never be friends
in real life did you ask him like oh which country is this uh no no i usually just swish
it smell i'm like this is good and i drink it i do i'm gonna be honest i do do that okay good
yeah i i drink it yeah but i'm gonna be honest though i i, though. I do enjoy my shitty bars, though, man. I do enjoy dive bars.
I do enjoy both.
I think you should.
I think it's...
Dude, like, our ancestors went to war on fucking flip-flops.
Like, if you need to ask where the wine is from or fucking smelled it...
Nah, dude, you got to smell it, though, bandit.
You got to smell it to appreciate it, though, dude.
I only do it because it's, like, expected.
Because the fucking... You know the guy, when they when they serve you the waitress or
Waiter or whatever they like stand there. So like they force you to smell it. Yeah
Like is it good? I'm like, yeah, of course it's good. I'm drinking it
otherwise
so yeah
Dima Jim
Yo GM thanks for having me on
100% 100% um, can i dox or no slightly i love
okay uh david dima's also from the six dude also from toronto oh we're assembling an army
yeah pretty much all we gotta do is get walls up here oh walls where is i haven't talked to him in
a minute yeah message him he got the fucking Rainbed sponsorship.
Now he's rich and now he doesn't talk to us anymore.
Yeah.
Danny, that's what happened.
Everyone comes to the space.
Guess the sponsor doesn't come back after the sponsor.
We're just enabled creators.
That's what this space is all about.
They're too good for us now.
Dude, I don't know.
I don't know.
I like puppets.
It's something about puppets. Like, when I see a puppet, I know like it's a cool person this one's a clean one though that's that helps admittedly
you might have the best one in the collection a bandit I told him this to I don't know green on
green I don't know about the best but it's a good one I'll say it's a good one i like sacks a lot do you know sack not xpt like sack the bitcoin puppet
do you know what i'm talking about uh i need to link the account i i know i think it's
zack.eth or something yeah sack that it's a z a c dot eath he has a good puppet i like it a lot
he's a good friend too um Anyway, we also have Derek.
Derek, is that your friend, Andrew?
Or who is Derek?
Hello, Derek.
No, no, I don't know.
He has a problem up.
I don't know.
I see.
You have a Suki Bean.
Is that a bean?
Yes, yes, yes.
Boy, I customized it a bit.
You know, I love Rose.
So I added Rose to my own.
They like, because of the Varsha, I changed the cover and all of that.
But yeah, I have a bean. So that's that's a been all right welcome to the space i like the rose and the purple
uh that's pretty cool uh vibes you don't even have an ft pfp you have is that you in the picture i've
never asked you this i think or is that just like some random image just obviously just some random
image i wouldn't have myself up yes it's me but anyway
hello happy tuesday it is a day how is everyone i feel i should be saying bandit who after everybody
else ignoring you and saying that i've got a new job i've moved on it's like bandit do we know each
other wait did you get a new job or no i I'm just pulling your leg Andres has a new job
He doesn't know me anymore
He just goes to me
I was copying Andres and I thought what he was doing
I should just try and see if I can ride in his coattails
And go yay
Yeah, I don't know
It's a rough business having friends
This is why I try to not make friends
Because they just get a job and then they start ignoring you
It's one of those guys, everyone leaves you eventually, huh, Bandit?
Yeah.
Everyone leaves eventually.
Every relationship ends somehow.
Either it's death or they get a job.
They die or they move away.
Yeah, that's fair.
Yeah, Andras one is a bit crazy.
Like, he just got a job at Valiant Trading.
Andras, what's your scope of work?
I'm curious.
Like, what do you do there?
Fuck. Well, you know essentially
I'm gonna let you finish I'm just gonna say you saying fuck getting that
Question means like you're probably gonna resign as fast as I see obese
Resign from proof of fact. Can we predict this under a month under a month?
Can we predict your market this under a month?
Under a month.
Sorry, I'm just going to...
Wait, can you hear me?
Yeah.
I've been working with the team for the past good month and a half,
or even a bit longer, perhaps.
And so, like, the core scope of my work, I would say,
is, like, I'm the ears on the ground when it comes to crypto Twitter.
So the whole team is essentially, involved on twitter right but they are mainly like devs and
they're just not on twitter as much as we are um so like they needed someone to be the glue towards
that um they've been here some of them have been here a lot longer than i have um most of them
actually uh but they've all
pretty much participated like from the outside and you know build stuff and didn't really pay
much attention to the content content side um so like they're very much aware that this is something
that needs to be done um and uh yeah you know they're still struggling to get their own profiles
very active at this point just because like they're
like very busy building right now uh but they're sort of going towards that you know um journey as
well um but yeah other than that it's like i'm connecting them with potential collaborations
with you know people that might be interested with you know just giving them insights on how
to perhaps approach uh be it content be it some parts of
bd you know so like all over the place a bit i guess and like the the whole scope is coming a
bit more to life as we're closing up on actual mainnet so like it's going to be a bit more clear
and set in ground once you know the product is actually in use by people so you know a lot of
extra work is going to open up when that happens so um yeah for now yeah a bit of bd bit of marketing
i would say my favorite my favorite part about like when a creator gets a job like this and like
and just once again congrats uh definitely earned is like if all the creators friends are like some of the
creators friends like reach out and are like yo what am i next it's like bro they're not gonna
hire you i i even got it too with like clado and stuff they're like yo can get me hired i'm like
bro respectfully they don't need your skill set like they already have someone that does that
and like it's the it's the funniest mix like imagine how many dms like every time by the way
yeah yeah every time bro eddie we're going over to you next day with that new with that new badge bro
Eddie swaps the calchi badge to the poly market patch and the fucking respected and the first tweet
I see
You know what like we have this like I'm gonna let you finish
I'm just gonna say this cuz this made me think of it
We have this like toxic culture in europe like if if you root for a
football team soccer team football team uh if you change you're like the devil like everyone hates
you i say fuck that root for whoever is winning you can't be rooting for losers like well am i
gonna be stuck forever i respect the states same thing in the states like college football transfer
portal team person will go to ABC
school, and then two years later,
because it's not being played, transfers to competitors,
then plays. The same culture takes
form. Eddie, over to you quickly
and go to Dima. I had a stand-up too.
Eddie changes badges
within literally a month, has gone
through all of the best prediction
markets in two weeks, and
first comment I see Eddie make with the new badge is at the baddies account eddie talk to us hey how's it going
hi eddie um yeah man so yeah i mean i'll just be honest um they made a good offer and
i like polymarket quite a bit so it was kind of a no-brainer.
Congrats, bro. That's big.
Yeah, thanks.
How honest are we going to be on this space today?
Should I hold back or should I just fucking let it rip?
You can go.
I'm not going to tell you about my sexuality. But other than that, sure.
What's up?
Okay, very sus thing to say.
But I'll say I also got an offer from the same place.
And I have accepted it.
So I will be an ambassador for Polymarket.
It's going to be like my prediction market that I use.
Because I've been dabbling in all of them.
Dude, I don't know.
I feel like Polymarket is, to me, it's the most web3 ethos.
I don't mind the others, but I don't like KYC. I don't like, you know, all of that stuff.
So I like to keep it Web3, and I think Polymarket is the most Web3.
Yeah, so I didn't want to say it until it was locked down, but if it's not already very obvious, the competition's real.
very obvious.
The competition's real.
It's like
they're very much
aware of each other.
It's very competitive.
Extremely so.
So yeah, man. Congrats on
your offer as well, Bandit.
But yeah, I've been
wanting to work. It was funny. I've been wanting to work like it was funny i've
been wanting to work with poly for like a year um and just kind of worked out so yeah man also the
the yesterday's yesterday's sec cftc roundtable was hilarious um genuinely wild like the the stuff
that was on there was crazy because they were asking, basically what
they're asking for is exemptions to certain reporting requirements or whatever. Um, and,
and other like certain, you know, so that they could actually get some of these event contracts
off the ground. Um, and like you had the CBOE group. So basically you had like Chicago's biggest traders and some of the biggest
institutions in New York on stage.
And they're like,
yeah,
man,
we like innovation too,
but we don't want you guys to be any more special than us.
It was very interesting.
Like there was actually some tension there.
And then,
yeah,
there's the,
you know,
the guy flipped off Shane,
which was hilarious.
Like actually flip it,
flipped off Shane on an actual SECC, CFTC roundtable panel.
Like, crazy moment.
Yeah.
Yeah, great.
Honestly, great show.
Like, this is, I would say this is probably going to get, like, this is where it gets really entertaining.
Yep.
And the other thing on that was you saw Robin Hood today was, robin hood is accounting for quite a lot of
kelsey's volume um which is you know fair it's just like it is real um but they announced today
or not announced it was leaked that they're exploring launching their own so interesting
stuff you don't have to answer eddie i'm gonna ask anyway how was the vibe when you told um
i won't name them the previous partner that you're gonna jump ships?
Oh, I mean like it was fine.
No hard feelings?
No, especially because, I mean there will be an announcement soon enough as to who I was talking with.
Yeah, like there's, you know, the team's solid, like it's, and there's no bad blood.
That's good.
That's,
that's very important,
actually.
That's good to hear.
Andre,
did you say Dima had his hand up?
I can't see it.
I think it's rugging for me.
Yeah,
yeah,
yeah,
Dima,
jump in.
I just,
I just wanted to comment on two things.
First of all,
again,
thanks for having me up here.
But it's,
it's so interesting based on what Andres, is that correct, Andrew?
Andrew, is that right?
Yeah, yeah, Andres.
Yeah, Andres.
Andres.
So based on what he was saying that he got, you know, he's working with Valiant Trade,
which I just found out about this by looking at his profile.
But like there are these crypto companies or, you know, companies that want to capture the crypto audience or building for crypto that don't have a strong leader on CT.
And they all value a Twitter voice so much.
Like, it's so important.
And like, even just right now, Eddie got, you know, hired by Polymarket to be an ambassador.
Like, this is kind of the frontier for marketing for our space. Like, it's kind of everything, you know, hired by Polymarket to be an ambassador. Like, this is kind of the frontier for marketing for our space.
Like, it's kind of everything, you know?
And I don't think people realize how...
I actually think, like, the value of a good crypto Twitter presence
is actually undervalued right now.
It is so much more important than people realize, in my opinion.
And we're just seeing it now with, like, the Polymarket-Kalshi kind of war that's going on.
And it's not really a war, but just, like, who can we draft?
It might be a war.
It's a war.
I saw them shake hands.
I don't know if you guys saw that.
I've definitely seen Zelensky and Putin, you know, be in the same room together.
I don't know.
Right, right, right.
Not in a long time, but you're right.
Good point.
But yeah, it's just interesting.
Like, people don't realize how important this stuff is.
And as a founder that, like, everyone on my team is not crypto native except me.
And I'm, like, you know, I'm the main funnel for everything.
It just, it's crazy.
And then hearing about Valiant Trades,
like this company, Valiant Trade,
they have probably a cracked tech team
that are very good at building incredible products.
Like very clearly they're shipping a perp dex,
correct me if I'm wrong.
So they gotta be pretty good.
But they're like, fuck.
No perps.
Not a perp dex, sorry.
I looked at it for two seconds.
A dex, or it's just a dex, right? Dex, liquidity. I looked at it for TCS. A dex, or...
It's just a dex, right?
Dex, liquidity.
I think they probably have a very good tech team.
I don't know about HR picking up Android.
No, HR teams don't exist in crypto, man.
HR teams don't exist here.
Okay.
Right, but the point I'm trying to make is that they were like,
shit, we need someone who shitposts on Twitter,
that knows the game,
that can connect us with other partners because
it is incredibly important and we're going to, we're going to pay for it. Um, and this is a team
of, of, of, again, probably great developers that work really hard. And they're like, fuck, like,
even if we paid for traditional marketing, like ads or, you know, any Facebook ads, YouTube ads,
all this other shit, they're like, no, it's higher value to get someone
that already has an audience and already has motion, um, then to like, just, you know, pay
for traditional, uh, marketing. So Dima, you guys got to look at that too, right? For what you guys
are doing over there, like for your circumstance. I mean, I mean, yes, but at this stage for us,
like I'm the guy, you know, I can just be the CEO and I can talk to everyone. I'm upping my shitposting on Twitter game and I'm going on more spaces and I'm doing the whole marketing thing. But long term, absolutely. it's absolutely imperative that we have a strong group of, you know,
whether it's angels or just people that really like the product
and want to be affiliated with us,
it's going to be absolutely instrumental for our growth.
You know which role probably gets paid the most for,
like the next highest paid CT lead?
And I was right about to say this,
and DGN News kind of posted about this too.
This is actually crazy.
It was like at the exact same time.
Whoever becomes the CT lead for Tempo,
probably like a $300,000 to $400,000 job.
And you think that much?
That much?
Yeah, probably.
Yeah, like if you become the actual CT lead, yeah.
Probably.
Who?
Don't sleep on a CT lead.
It's a niche. Yeah, but $300,000, dude, it's like it's a it's a niche yeah but 300k dude that's
like dude that's like a developer type thing role like that no basically you're you're filling the
jesse pollock role right like um that's the role like you have to have base and it's the same role
as um it's the same role as like an icobese would take or like a bread would take where like optimally you have
a pretty in-depth knowledge of the ecosystems or at least know like know who to point to that would
have that knowledge you like you have a hand you have a handful of developers that you can reach
out to you know who they are they can explain you things um and you can also be like the point man
for ecosystems and like point to oh look at this great new depth. That's spinning up.
look at this.
And like actually get people excited about it.
So yeah,
if you could be the Jesse Pollock slash bread guy.
They are strapping you with a non-circumvent,
non-solicit,
non-NDA,
non-compete.
They're strapping you with everything possible.
They're throwing,
throwing a carry out a hundred percent.
Yeah,
I totally agree.
I've been thinking about
stripe and tempo because i i see that stripe you know they're very web too and they're gonna need
somebody like that to like really have the cultural side of ct for tempo and obviously
like they're very serious about it like paradigms involved i think i think they will go big on a ct lead i just started reply guying to the
the ceo of stripe oh here we go here we go coop i am i'm gonna be right there with you
we're gonna be we're gonna be holding hands we're gonna be like wow g stripe
i thought you just signed with polymarket or is that is that not i mean yeah well no no
based off that he's based off that he's history he's open for he's open for anybody to be honest I thought you just signed with Polymarket. Or is that not Eddie? Yeah, but Dima, listen, though.
Based off Eddie's history,
he's open for anybody, to be honest.
I'm the same, dude.
I don't care.
As long as it's not a fucking meme coin rug.
To be clear, by the way, I'm not working for,
I'm just working with a partner thing,
and it'll probably be like 20% of my content.
He's getting paid to be bullish.
I work for a law firm, like right now like I work for a crypto law firm
and do we should we expect to be seeing you on the polymarket baddies account
like making content with the bodies or no look I don't know why I I look I I
kind of just hedged my bet with the earlier reply I really know what happens
there I just wanted to make sure
that I wasn't going to miss that.
Wait, pause, pause. What is a
Polymarket baddie?
Well, basically,
imagine the bare baddies,
but better.
Polymarket has baddies too now?
Yeah.
There's baddies on every chain at this point.
Anything about this. The most entertaining
outcome is usually the most likely. You do content with the Poly's baddies on every chain at this point. Eddie, think about this. The most entertaining outcome is usually the most likely.
You do content with the Play Market baddies,
and you inevitably find yourself a girlfriend
through the Play Market baddies.
Well, you know, I may or may not be talking, you know?
Oh, no, already?
No, no.
Eddie, listen, we don't shit where we eat.
You know what I mean?
No, not there. You know, not there. Okay, okay. You know what I mean? No, not there.
You got to update me.
I'm curious now.
Welcome to the relationship, Harold.
With Bandit, he always finds out
the most interesting things.
And Eddie, congratulations.
Sorry, I missed that.
But Eddie doing dances
with the baddies makes perfect sense.
I mean, easy content.
God, though, if
the crypto
trench warrior of the year
ends up signing with the baddies, I might be out.
That might be too much for me.
He will absorb all the volume.
If Guantanamo
GG is over there, I don't know, man.
That'll be a tough look.
I didn't even know that that's an award, but okay.
French Warrior of the Year.
Yeah, no, it was Gigi.
Gigi won it.
Guantanamo Gigi.
Yeah, I'm going to see if I can win it next year.
I don't know how to do it.
Guantanamo Gigi has got to be one of the greatest nicknames.
I think that was Flacco that came up with that.
Like, unbelievable.
Unbelievable nickname.
I'm too European to get the reference.
I'm not going to lie.
But anyway, dude, I need to get one of these rewards
before I sign off from this app forever.
David gave you one, though, forever david gave you one though
bandit david gave you one yeah but i don't want from david i want it from like the official i
don't even know who who is judging but i want a professor crypto one and i mean what if they give
you bangaboy of the year i mean like that's a nice one banger boy of the year sounds disgusting it
sounds like very sexual uh oh we have jonah coming uh anyway before we go to jonah vibes hand up
for a while i was just thinking can you imagine hr on um crypto it'd be hello how can i help you
so you bought a token and did you were you the one that pressed the button yes okay have a good day
next caller hello you could have so much fun do you want do you want a job like an HR type role?
I handle so many different roles in crypto that it's like just another feather to my hat.
You just have to juggle people and find out how to help them the best way you can.
Oh my god, dude. If I get a job and the HR goes through my page...
Andrew, can you imagine that?
No, I mean, I told you this this already i think they're okay with it have you seen david's late david's content lately like
dude i think they'd be okay with it like i don't know but something something happened in david's
brain and he's just decided to turn up 100 volume with his content and the stuff that he's posting
he's finally retard maxing i've been telling him he is he he is. He literally is, yeah. I can't believe you guys are going to be honest. I think he's gone to the dark side like his PSP.
I think he's gone, yo, let's really get into this vibe.
No, you've got to retell, Max.
I've felt more retarded the last few weeks.
That's good.
That's good.
I think there's two types of people.
I don't know if that's good, man.
It's good.
Either you're extremely smart.
I'm talking like Joe Marvel smart. Yeah, either you're Either you're extremely smart, I'm talking like... Hello, my phone are retards.
Yeah, either you're going to be extremely smart or you're going to be retarded.
The problem with being extremely smart is there's a double-edged sword.
My EQ is really low, so I'm also very emotional.
It's better to be retarded and stoic.
Yeah, I think that's kind of like me.
If you have a bowl,
just look at the child
using his hands to drink the water.
You don't need a fucking bowl.
Jonah is definitely,
I mean this with all due respect,
one of the more emotional
people I've...
Did he rug? He did. emotional people and i've
Did he rug? He did, yeah.
He just rugged.
He got caught with the emotion.
It was like, he's one for more emotion.
Do you want to shut him up real quick?
What was that Eddie? What was that? That's what I fucking thought.
He dropped down.
Just absolutely de-dossed him off stage.
Welcome to 3G bitch.
So like, the thing about being emotional
is it's a double-edged sword.
The advantage of being emotional
is if you're a founder,
it's the thing that gets you through
really, really tough times.
It crashed my phone.
Sorry.
Yeah, that's what you get, bitch.
Do you want to repeat that?
No, I think I'm good i love him i just
no i think the last time i tried that it almost yeah but you know one of the private scenarios
of emotionality you know that turned into you know a deal yes yes actually it was pretty twice
by the way yes turn into sign way. Yeah, he gets very emotional
and then says things, and then everyone's like,
oh, let's accommodate this.
And then it actually works. It's actually impressive.
I don't know if it's because he's Jewish or what.
The old President Trump method.
You have to study the greats.
Yeah, it's just emotional manipulation
in all the right ways.
I do respect it, to be honest.
It's a good playbook.
Coop, what do you think about my emotional instability?
What is your opinion?
Yeah, I think it is a pain point for you, unfortunately.
Yeah.
Coop, on a serious note, back to CT lead stuff.
We're going to get Kalano and Zach also joining us today.
Coop, do you think some
teams should invest in,
I guess, acquire
crypto, Twitter personalities, but get them
when they're on a lower stage and then
help build them up? Or they should always be doing top
funnel, top down acquisitions?
Depends on who you are. I think
Stripe should do a big boy pick. But for
smaller teams, definitely trying to find the up-and-comers. The thing is, I feel like CT is
really not that big. And so if you find someone who knows how to get in there and they're small,
it's still worth a lot of value. I mean, you can show up on this space you just have to know this space exists and like you know be here so it's not like you need to have 100 000 followers to
be valuable in my opinion the only thing though is is like who would you pick right like there's
only one there's only one super large unaffiliated person that i would actually point to for any of
these it would be cyrus that's the only one. Oh, he's not going to take it.
He's not going to take it.
Cyrus, maybe. With tempo, maybe.
Oh, shit.
Dima, we have Sack on stage now. The puppet
I was talking about. Sack, I don't know if you want to talk.
Do a thumbs down or a thumbs up.
I don't know if you're even there.
You said you were going AFK, but good to have you.
Kalano, what's up?
Yeah, I had two things to say, actually.
One, on Jonah.
Somehow, there is an entire lore that started on Jonah
when he says something funny or interesting,
and people say, you know, I don't want to quote Jonah's but...
And then they actually go and say the entire thing, which is funny,
but just to bounce on the CT lead thing, you know,
I think there is going to be a lot of surprises for teams hiring CT leads and
thinking that's going to turn out as the magic solution for them. You know,
most people on CT cruelly lack skills to actually work in a business at scale.
And I think that's going to turn out into a sour taste for many teams, you know.
And I'm not saying we don't have talented and skillful people.
Of course, we have plenty.
But I think there is this super new vibe where we must hire someone who somehow knows how
to shitpost and knows how to make money on crypto Twitter.
And that is going to be the kind of person that's going to help us develop BD and everything in between. And CTLead, having been
one myself, is basically a right-hand man to a founder or a co-founder. So I think it's going to
be interesting to see how it turns out with a little bit more time, not just this recent
acquisition spree we've seen, but how those people turn out in 12 months I'm quite curious to see hey cloud of who are you working with didn't you didn't
you return it or you said another one who are you working with right now I'm
not working with anyone okay okay cuz I know that you had done it but then yeah
yeah but I thought it was a new one okay like stripe stripe just posted a tweet
with a blog link in the first tweet like
what are they doing they don't know
hashtags are next yeah painful oh my god like why doesn't anyone know how algorithms work
this is kind of annoying telano which intelligence agency do you work for? Massad.
The best in the world, of course.
I work for the FIA, the Forte Intelligence Agency.
It's a Canadian subsidiary, and it's pretty techie.
He doesn't know shit.
You're trying to hack our infrastructure eh you're north korean eh
how about how about you to be fair jonah he's worse he's french so like you know what i
oh you're french colonel we we but yeah yeah should i say it's to andrew who told he tried to hit a firewall
i don't know where this is going but i was asking andrew where you're from and you know uh obviously
there is nothing wrong with being anywhere else than where you're from but i was convinced you
are from nigeria um for for that i thought that i the last part of uh because of all the farming
he's doing?
I've been telling everybody.
Wait, who are we talking about now?
I'm not going to be talking to you, Banda.
He thought you were Nigerian.
I'm Iranian. What the fuck?
That's very far from Nigeria.
Well, Andrew said you're Portuguese,
so everybody had it wrong.
I live in Portugal, but I'm Iranian.
Actually, Kalano, did you know that in Iran
we say merci for thanks?
Because our word...
Same in Lebanon.
Same in Lebanon.
In Lebanon,
we also say...
Because our languages are so fucked
and it's so hard to say thanks.
Like the word for thanks,
it's so complicated.
So we just like say,
let's fucking run French.
Merci.
Yeah, we say shokhran.
Shokhran.
Like would you,
Kalono,
would you rather say shukran or mercy?
Well, I live in Dubai, so I throw some
assalamu alaikum and shukran every other day.
Oh, shit.
Bro, that's bars.
Damn, this guy, he is actually intelligence agency.
That's crazy.
Yeah, that's pretty funny.
Dima, did you get to speak?
I don't see your hand up anymore.
No, no. I just wanted to, more on the CT Lee stuff,, it's pretty funny. Dima, did you get to speak? I don't see your hand up anymore. No, no.
I just wanted to, more on the CT Lee stuff, because it is fucking interesting.
And just, you know, you guys are ripping on Stripe for posting a link or a blog, link
to a blog post instead of just, you know, a thread or something.
What the fuck?
Yeah.
So, somebody said, I forget who it was, but they were more or less like, there's not a
lot of value in just high, well, it less like, there's not a lot of value.
Well, it's less that there's not a lot of value, but if you become a CT lead, you're pretty much a right-hand man to the CEO or to the executive board of whatever company it is.
And I just think that's like, that is a reason why people that have really strong crypto Twitter accounts should just found companies.
Because one of the, like, honestly,
one of the hardest fucking things,
unless they're not in it
and they're making enough money
without founding a company,
but one of the hardest things
is marketing and distribution,
like getting people to try your product.
It is by far, it's underestimated how hard that is.
So I just think as somebody who's doing that myself,
and I'm trying to do this CT thing. And like, I came on the scene, I made my account in like,
January 2023. That's when I actually like learned crypto Twitter. I'd been in crypto for a while,
but I didn't know shit about I didn't know any of this was going on. I didn't know any of you
people are I knew nothing about this. I didn't the alpha you know people say if you see it on twitter you're late if you don't see it on twitter and don't use twitter whatever
you're getting to you're fucking you're like a year late like like nobody is telling you're just
you know i'm on deck screener like that was my that was my alpha right we're talking 2023 so like
yeah like like i again if you have a strong presence just start your own company
because you're going to crack distribution or at the very least you can drive 5 000 people
to try your app on day one um yeah i think i think one part is disability and one part that people
don't talk about a lot is dude your your intern is your like ability to mug like that too you gotta fucking dude ceos
they're rich they don't give a fuck like they're usually they're they like mugging they want to
fucking win uh and you need a strong ct lead to mug the shit out of everyone that's my opinion i
just you know i as someone who is you know i am the ceo co-founder of my own company like i know
that my the best best value i can provide for my company right
now is aside from doing product stuff and i am a developer and i do all i do fucking everything
it kind of sucks but the best value i can provide right now is growing my personal brand that way
when we do go to market i can drive a lot of people to our product that's that's actually
the highest value right now that's crazy very true. I feel like before,
business accounts, company accounts,
I don't know what you want to call it, project accounts,
they used to get a lot of traction. That's not the case anymore.
Unless you're like pump fund, polymarket,
like a... Yeah, literally zero. Zero attention right now.
Yeah, but like, do you guys remember in the NFT cycle,
like fucking shitty collection
would tweet and everyone would be
in the replies? That doesn't happen anymore. All marketing is like through the founder i think andrew i think
leon calls it founder funnel or some shit i love that term that's a great term i'm gonna steal that
i don't know if that's actually what he's referring to but you just fucking made it up it's incredible
founder funnel that's genius and reason i think you i think you ripped it off somebody else but
like yeah keep ripping it off. That's the nature
of the business. But is that
the right term, founder funnel? Is that what it means?
Because I've seen him say it. Colano, is it the right
term or no? Can you confirm, Colano, please? Thank you.
No, I'm asking about Leon.
Abood, he says this all the time.
Colano, what is it?
Actually, Leon
has founder funnel,
the two words on each of his butt cheeks.
Oh, shit.
That's crazy.
I hope he's listening as an
anonymous listener.
David, go on. David had his hand up
or he was like, put it on mute and check.
Wait, wait, Kalano isn't finished, dude.
I wanted to
respond to
the puppet, but I think Coop was ahead of me, so I don't want to the puppet, but I think
Coop was ahead of me, so I don't want to skip
the queue. By the way, I can't
see the hands. It's hard-rugging for me.
Me too. I'm good.
Andrew, you're the host now because I can't see shit.
Thanks.
David, over to you. Sorry, Clona, you're French, bro.
I wanted to add one thing quickly
about the founder funnel because I'm also considering tatting it on my cheeks um the good thing about
building the personal brand I think why it's becoming so popular is because even when things
disappear it stays with you and I think that's the most underrated thing that people still don't
realize is like if you can build it the right way um
even if you don't jump to one opportunity work with a brand jump to another opportunity work
with another brand like that that brand of you always stays with you and if that continues to
grow then your value just continues to grow up to go up yeah but taking taking like that like
example david too seriously is like the wrong to wrong thing to do. Like, all your business, David, like, has been done by you pretty much shitposting at this point.
Yeah, yeah.
And it's been so effective.
Taking yourself too seriously on social media is such a fucking negative EV thing to do, man.
So negative EV.
No, yeah, of course.
What I mean...
Bringing LinkedIn to Twitter is, like, such a bad idea.
Like, don't do that.
Like, you can say things that are occasionally smart for shock value.
But, like, doing that is just a shitty thing to do. like i don't know man i'm just totally like not totally against
it but like i have a you know bit of a yeah i agree what i mean is like building your brand can
mean different things on different platforms right like for me building my brand is just doing what
i'm doing i don't post like um rising grind alex hermosi let's get this bread kind of stuff and yeah I post
whatever I want like random shit and then I'll still get DMS from from
companies and stuff saying like hey we want to work with you because they see
that I understand crypto Twitter and the service I'm offering understands crypto
Twitter and therefore like it naturally works I have to hop in here on that on
that point I'm sorry if I'm cutting the queue.
People don't realize how hard it is to be terminally online, curate your feed and actually
know what the fuck is going on in this space.
It is a ton of work that because we're all mentally addicted to Twitter and we probably
don't use Instagram and TikTok or any of those other platforms, but really, this is
our thing.
It takes a while to just like,
have your feed show you what is actually alpha, like, and what is actually happening in the space,
it takes a long time. And I don't know, I only feel like my also, I got to credit Nikita here,
I only feel like my feed has gotten really good, like in the past, like three to four months.
And I'm just like, I know about things before half my friends do
that are in this space. I'm like oh do you see this?
Do you see that? Like this is happening, that's happening
and they're like oh no I didn't. Like Plasma
like one of my biggest meme coin trading friends
he didn't know anything about Plasma. I knew
about the pre-sale, didn't participate
unfortunately but I
like no one, a lot of people don't even
know what ethos is. I am literally
making a syllabus on things that you should probably know about in crypto and using it for like internal purposes
in certain places right like it's very important he's right oh my god i know everything i'm not
gonna lie i've been too much on this app andrew name me any coin any ticker i'll fucking know
where it is but that's the thing that's the value band you don't realize how fucking valuable that
is honestly uh guys like were you
around for neo the shinies ethereum were you around for fucking uh chilies the football app
oh i've seen it all i've dude dude the neo gas thing where people were like wait but i thought
i pay gas on ethereum and you're like no you like earn this other token called gas with neo that was
if you know what i'm talking about, that, those were the days.
Those were the days.
Dima,
did you follow me before this space?
Yeah,
dude.
I, I,
I followed everyone up on here before this space.
I mean like before today,
like were you following me before?
I've been following you probably for a year.
Oh shit.
Fuck.
I was going to say your feed got a lot better,
but okay.
You're already following.
Yeah,
I've been curating.
I've been around.
Andrew or David, can we rotate speaker? Cause I want to get j jobs up, but I think we're a full panel while we do that
Talk to KB for like a year. Yeah, what's up bandit?
GM GM
Yeah, interesting combo as a personality hire myself
I definitely have a lot of thoughts on this um but i don't know
to what dima was saying like i can't build a product like i think it's two very different
like coins here of like building an app building a product and like having this like ridiculous
ct personality that like comes with years of just like being here and like being
like termally online and so like I think the CT lead thing is more so like a glorified community
manager I like I don't know like I think I mean I got hired over a year ago and I think it was
like probably before the meta right like it's like are you
you know you don't want to like sell yourself short like I think that's where like KOLs and
and whatever where the CT lead came from but on building personal brands as a founder like yes
it's important but I do think that as a founder and like building a product like you should be like
building a product rather than like shit posting on Twitter or like even interacting with like a
lot of what's going on here sometimes because it can get like a little like you know a little weird
it gets weird on crypto Twitter and um and I say I think on like the marketing side, like,
have a really strong marketing team doesn't have to be huge. But people who do know and do
understand and then kind of put them in places like growth, or like community lead, like my
position, like on paper is the funniest thing, it's community lead like that's that's exactly what it is but there's so
much more that I do that um you know that is more so in like growth and marketing um and potentially
like a ct lead as well before ct lead was even a thing we keep making up these positions which I
think is really cool in web 3 right like people are like what the fuck do you do like I was like hanging out with my friends on a Monday and they're like oh you're off today
I'm like well like I did like my meetings in the morning and like I can just say like GM on the
discord and make sure I like post six times today and like yeah I did a good job today you know
they're like looking at me like and these are normal people and like they're like i how and i'm like yeah i don't know and and you know that's all i really gotta say but um
but yeah i don't know that's my two cents on all of it it is a real job though like i don't
understand these normies like who work so hard and they're like telling me it's not like do you
know how hard i work to say like GM GM vibe check every morning?
Yeah, 10 seconds 10 seconds. KB the I agree with most what you said. I think
Despite how much culture driven the team is internally externally and so on social internally
The founder to some extent externally has to represent that Otherwise the people on CT don't see the team seriously
Like there's been times when like the team has been very culture driven
But the founder doesn't really get it You could tell based off of like hers or her posts and like there's
massive turnoff from community when they see stuff like that i think even like tweeting a certain
way in certain formats using certain words i think it drives people your way or drives them
against i think it's like that molecular to be honest but i do want to push the conversation
forward drew you've been up here for a while i dunked on french people like four or five times
i'll dunk on you more because french canadians not really french
but over to you man yeah i mean like there's a lot of stuff that normally just like come up and
said like hey you guys why are you guys not actually working but i do believe that in web
three when people actually make it with jobs right it's that all of the work is done up front so it's
like two years of absolutely nothing and then in in one year, you actually get a job.
And Andrew, fuck you.
French Canadians are real Canadians.
Yeah, I mean, that's subjective.
You're also French Canadian.
My team is also French Canadian.
As you know, our team is French Canadian, but French Canadian is not real French.
But yeah, Drew, you got a REACH, employed by REACH now.
You tweeted that this morning. Congrats again, dude.
How does it feel?
Feels good. Feels good. I mean, it's a big
next step of everything that's coming, right?
Following the little Web3 Lounge
KO all stage up here, right?
I wouldn't say
KO all stage. Wait, wait.
Reach or Reach?
No, like Reach.
Like, Reach, Reach. Like, he's now a Reach creator now. Oh, he's now reach creator now oh he's a reach
creator i thought you meant yeah yeah i thought you meant that he works for reach okay no he's
working with reach yeah that's a cook congrats reach and for andrew and for andrew that's it
yeah i mean and for me too and for some of the best names in the business wait after
can we can you guys tell me about reach you can go to jobs first
But I want to ask you guys about reach because I've been seeing it a lot between Jonah and Idris
And then you guys just talked about it
Yeah, can do we're all bullish reach show the hosts
Wait, who are we going to Andrew? I forgot fuck you want to flip a coin on this one or no
I think we have jobs or no clowns have a a panel for a while and go to jobs after oh yeah
Before we go. I just want to say fuck dude our speaker panel is so stacked
But we got Jonah and Kuro requesting to I know I'll tell stacked it as I know
We should get this just keeps getting better, you know, yeah values going up
It's been one hour and you fuckers haven't retweeted the room and you're my co-host
Hey, I tweeted I tweeted the space this morning or I said I was hosting this morning
To be fair same rules apply to you despite us being friends retweets gonna cost you man
It's gonna cost you what the how much do you charge for a retweet though for you?
We can make a deal
Just dox your rates For you, we can make a deal. Okay. Yeah, you can say it. Don't be shy.
I'll let everyone listen.
Just dox your rates.
50 bucks, 100 bucks.
Yeah, Andrew, tell us.
How much does a retweet cost?
David, listen.
There's hands up.
David, there's hands up.
Let's pass over to him. All right, let's go to the hands.
Let's go to the hands.
Let's go to the hands.
Yo, French guy.
Yo, French guy.
No, no, got two jabs.
No, no, got two Jabs.
He's been waiting for one.
He's been waiting for one.
Come back to me after.
Come back to me after.
Jabs, that's your cue, dude.
Thanks for having me out.
Yeah, I'm here.
Just on a CT lead point,
one of the things that I think a lot of founders
and companies don't appreciate
is the actual internal structure
around the CT lead role as well.
I recently advised a couple of exchanges here locally
on how their legal departments should allow their interns to post.
And it is difficult for people to understand,
especially from Web2 companies,
that the speed at which CT functions is unheard of uh one of the interns at one of the exchanges he's
got he's got uh tweets for approval running for the last 10 days and i'm just trying to explain
to them that you know by the time it is one hour it's already probably too late to post that tweet
so you can't have stringent internal legal checks for
everything that goes out. There needs to be a lot more flexibility given to the intern
when they're trying to post out what they're trying to post out. So I understand all these
Web2 companies kind of shifting into Web3 and getting these CT lead roles and expanding that
area. But it really, the success of the role is going to be driven
by the internal policies. And that's what people really forget along the way.
I'll be honest. I think, yeah, David, jump in first.
No, I was going to say, I think you're right. But I think the biggest thing holding back
is like the person, whoever's running like as a CT lead has to have talent, but then
also trust and like
that trust factor is so hard for companies to build with a single person because you know you
could hire someone that could be super talented and then one day they're kim jong-un and they're
a little drunk but with a red button in front of them and they tweet the wrong thing and you know
it can destroy the brand reputation because we give so much value to twitter and ct and any post
that goes out but like it's tough it's tough to kind of land in the middle i think you either do
two things you give them full control or you give them no control i think having them kind of in the
gray area is the worst thing to do because they'll conjure up ideas set things in place and then
they're like should i post this should i not let me check with team for this one but let me not do that for this one it kind of creates a little bit of friction i think you give
them complete autonomy or you give them absolutely no autonomy like even from a business standpoint
like having people checking with you for certain stuff is a little bit annoying too it's like
listen i gave you full responsibility just run with the thing we're at the tech yard line just
punch it in don't don't call me for everything isn't't the Pauly market, like the way that they did it with the Hugo guy,
like is not like ideal though?
Because like he just tweets whatever.
Yeah, yeah.
There's no backlash on Pauly market.
He is, but also like he is – he doesn't tweet whatever, whatever.
There are certain things that are out of bounds.
Like when it comes to regulatory
type stuff like he's not he's not posting about that he's just he's just posting racy things in
terms of like i'm retarded right you know um that's not that there's a content scope there's
definitely a content scope well because it was the whatever it was. It was the big stunt with him, like the best one, which was pretty amazing,
was the trying to get Phantom to say the N-word, right?
And then like after that, he was like, I'm being called into the office, guys.
Yeah, the HR.
Which was pretty crazy.
Pretty crazy.
He was like, I've been fired.
He was like, I've been fired.
I met him, by the way.
I met him, by the way.
When I met him, he had jean shorts on, I think,
and brought a rolling backpack into a bar.
What is he, like an 80s Soviet?
So that tells you everything you need to know about him.
Wait, did he get fired at me?
No, no. No,
he's still there. Yo, you want to step, like, 50 feet closer to your phone, Eddie? Yeah,
60. Do it 60 while you're at it. You said closer to my phone. Are you guys in the same room?
You're echoing. Yo, I feel like I'm, like, on the other side of the planet, and I'm, like,
I got a little, like, cone-shaped piece of paper, and I'm like I got a little like cone-shaped piece of
paper and I'm trying to listen to Eddie right now yeah I'm so confused how about now now you're back
now you're good much better much better that's bizarre oh it thinks I'm on a phone call that's
why oh shit uh should we go to Kalanoa? He's been waiting for a while, Andrew. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, thank you.
I just wanted to add one thing I think is misunderstood on that CT lead once again is, yeah, you've got to be good at marketing.
You've got to be good at, you know, crypto Twitter and be terminally online and all that stuff.
But I think the most successful CT leads tend to also have a really good product understanding and i'll give you an example i'm advising a company right now who is coming out with
an info5 platform like soon so at some point you will see it and because i can't wait to make money
off of them by tweeting stuff yeah i'm not i'm not mentioning any names just yet. I have some NDA, so I can't do that.
But I was actually looking into that platform, and I was like, okay, how is your data aggregating all these Twitter accounts?
Are you actually scraping all these Twitter accounts when people sign up and all that stuff?
And so I had to have calls with their engineer and all that stuff to really see what fun campaign can we do to announce the product,
you know, like how can we make sure people are going to interact with this on Twitter,
they're going to go on the platform, sign up, have something they can share, you know,
so I think it's more than just pure marketing, like if you're not interested in the product,
and if you don't go deep in the trenches on understanding what they're actually doing,
and how you can leverage the tech they have to make it
socially fun, then, you know, you're just going to be an intern effectively. So I think, you know,
city leads are really well paid. And I think they're still underpaid in my opinion, because
they're probably the good ones really are crossing between marketing, Twitter, business product,
you know, and I think it's genuinely a super hard job. It's way more than saying GM, GM, vibe check. Sorry, bandit.
GM, GM, everyone.
I think, I think to, I'll just cut in.
I think, uh, not sure if anyone listened. Um, there was,
there was a live stream not long ago, maybe a few weeks back, um,
of like supposedly big CT leads and they were like all joining and discussing this topic
and I'm not sure if it was said there or on another space but I think Brett said it really
well which like stuck with me as well and it was essentially that like from his early on stage like
it wasn't really clear as to what he needs to be doing. Um, and that like, you know, um, set back a lot of the work that needed to be done.
And once like that was very clear as to, you know, this is what you need to do.
And this is something that you don't need to do at all.
Uh, things started to flourish, uh, quite better.
And now on that topic though, I think like it's, you know, you can really see it as very CT lead is this and that.
But I think it's like it's so broad, like you can have, you know, for some companies, it might be you'll be assisting with the main channel and just giving tips here and there.
But for others, it might be a lot broader. Right. And it might be like you're not included in the main channel at all.
You might have ideas, but like you could be doing like completely different stuff.
Right. So I think it's really broad.
And I think, yeah, you know, you do need one.
Like it doesn't need to be called a CT lead, but one that like understands culture on Twitter.
Like you can give very good insights towards the team, especially like if they're very busy building and, you know, just pushing stuff ahead.
Yeah, I think it's of great value for any company to have.
Eddie, I want to ask to Andrew's point.
I think to an extent, like Calci's done a decent job.
I think they're buying a lot of favor within CT,
which is, Kirill's going to laugh, that's fine,
which is like a good decision.
I think you can definitely buy your way.
To some extent, if you have enough money,
you can just kind of throw it around.
We've seen that happen in politics, etc.
with lobbyists and stuff like that.
What's your take?
Actually, I'm going to ask Jonah
because Jonah's still got the badge.
Jonah, what's your take on Cal sheet
buying up, scooping up,
acquiring some of the best talent
when it comes to CT leads, quote-unquote,
and doing other stuff um from your pov i mean polymark is doing the exact same thing they're
actually paying more than kalshi i know this for a fact um so like they're doing this they're both
doing the same thing they're just polymark's just more quiet about about it I we know we all know this I'm
biased but Koushi has a has a much larger web 2 audience so it makes it a
lot of sense for them to go in and acquire Twitter users because that's a
hole in their bucket versus polymarket already has the crypto audience for sure
they absolutely do but I think they have a lot of work to do on
the web2 side um and they do have more capital than calci at least currently so i don't know i
don't think twitter is a be-all end-all for most of this stuff like you know half of uh you know
most people who trade on hyperliquid aren't aren't using twitter you know so So I think there's an overemphasis on Twitter when Twitter is just one
tool in the toolkit and it has a very specific use case, which is driving audience mindshare
and then using Web2 analytics to demonstrate to institutions on Twitter that you have the
dominant mindshare. It's like a jiggly puff
It's like a hypnosis thing, but it's not it's not the actual conversion thing
We gotta be honest a little logistics for this
I think it would occur after this like kind of matter like if these contracts are like literally one two months long
I think it's gonna spoil it once all those are done. They're not
Six to twelve months like if it's too short of a time frame you might get some decent traction but i think people knowing that it's not
short term really spoils the back channels where this thing is kind of won over with um yeah glad
that it's not two three months girl so like i'm a little bit confused like so calci has like a
bigger web 2 audience or whatever is it they're they're looking to, like, acquire Web 3 or crypto users because our spends are higher?
Is that, like, kind of like what's going on?
It's because someone like Cathie Wood isn't using TikTok.
They use Twitter and they use LinkedIn.
That's it.
It's as simple as that.
Like, which audience do you want?
The people who are on Wall Street that are in the senior positions,
they aren't flicking through TikTok videos all day.
So, yes, there is a higher ARPU for a Web3 creator,
but there's a lower audience size.
So it's kind of like what Trump did with iran where you know they had a
missile hit a fridge right like you're trying to you're trying to just compare this to trump
yeah yeah you're 30 000 feet in the air you've got a b2 stealth bomber which in this case is
cash and a marketing strategy and you're trying to know, hit a little fridge refrigerator size, you know, a bomb shelter or nuclear shelter.
And that's that's the goal, because that nuclear shelter is worth, you know, the Middle East effect.
Do you get this? You get the whole fucking point. All right.
You get it. No, I like that analogy. It's it's like very straightforward. Right.
Because like, I don't know, like i look at a lot of the marketing plans
and i just like i get confused i'm like who are you really trying to sell this to because i know
it's not the guys that are fucking in twitter spaces debating over um how they're going to
make their next thousand x the other reason which people don't actually think about at all is twitter is used for news
aggregators versus tiktok is not so when someone like ico beast makes a post right it's not like
he just posts on twitter it goes to multiple aggregators and used as a tag in metadata for search so the impact in terms of second effect
media is valuable because there's a lot of news aggregators out there right so there's just all
these like hidden factors that go into it hey so eddie you were you were ripping the cowship badge
the polymarket badge so how much more is polymarket paying you then?
Enough.
Were they just like...
That's a crazy question.
Eddie's getting like extensions
this week. That's hilarious.
That's crazy, girl. That's crazy.
You literally repped the cowship badge
like this whole post about it
and now I see the Polymarket badge.
Yeah, so here's what happened.
It's business.
The pocket-watching Olympics.
It's business.
You posted it on Twitter.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I know, I know.
Here's what happened.
I made it, I signed with Kalshi, but that signing was exclusive to just the ref link at the time, plus the badge.
There was nothing else part of that deal.
And candidly, I have a preference for Polymarket.
And there was plenty of other things that I can talk about, we're part of the next deal so no i like it
i think i think it's bullish for you too congrats so thanks
your echo is really annoying though i don't know what's going on can you use some of the
can you use some of the money to fix that?
There he goes.
Eddie's just realized that as a lawyer, you sell your soul, so it's full business.
Oh my god.
Shit, guys.
I've been eating nuts and fucking berries while I'm listening to you guys.
Do you guys like cashew nuts?
Cashew nuts are so good.
I love the Whole Foods dark cashew. Dark chocolate cashews with the sea salt. I returned. Oh, dude. Cashew nuts are so good. Thanks, man. I love the Whole Foods dark cashew, dark chocolate cashews with the sea salt.
I returned.
Oh, dude, cashew nuts are the best.
Dima, sorry, I see your hands up.
It's all good.
I think one of the things that's maybe getting a little – there's like two styles of, I guess, CT lead.
Like, obviously, if you're an established company and you're trying to break into Web3 and get some whales,
specifically in CalShi's situation, they want people that will put, $100,000, $500,000 on a single, single prediction market.
That makes a lot of sense.
But if you have a team size of like four, you're not going to pay for a CT lead. people do that but i think i'm more just saying like as a crypto native founder and i am the only
one who on my team is actually connected to ct and i know the space and i'm driving the product
in a lot of ways and how we're building it out um if you're not going to pay for someone and
you're already a builder you have to take it upon yourself to become that person or you have to pay
someone like you it's it's an important role.
If there's any social element to your product, I don't know about axiom axiom,
like obviously badges everywhere and like hyper liquid.
Like I don't think Jeff shit posts at all.
But those are two of the best products out there,
as well as like if you are just trying to start and go from 500 to 5,000 and you don't, you know,
you're working on the product all day, but like, can you provide value by paying someone $100,000
a year or $100,000 for six months to post? Or can you just take it upon yourself and bootstrap it?
Because you're already on CT and that's how you're informing the product direction moving forward.
So you may as well like do it yourself is kind of my point.
Like, I don't think it's a waste of time. Obviously I have a bunch of code to write
after this space and I'm going to go and fucking do it. But, um, I already worked 10 hours a day.
I may as well try and bootstrap marketing myself. And I think every founder that is at least like
a type a, uh, extrovert in any capacity should try and bootstrap the
marketing themselves as opposed to just like spending their raised money on it right off the
bat if that's not you then don't do it but if if there is like something in your head where you're
like i understand how this works and i can provide so much value and get us from 500 to 5 000 just
by growing my personal brand um i think
that's also time right like you can definitely do that but what's the what's the opportunity cost of
like wasting too much time doing that versus like getting ahead and jumping leapfrogging i am become
creator destroyer of reputations i think that's the biggest problem in crypto with these races
no one wants to spend money on marketing like marketing is so important and
nobody wants to spend money on marketing you have all this money on like the devs and the codes and
you got the best tech ever but if you don't have the marketing like no one's gonna know or care
keep you by marketing you mean like how do you how do you market something hold on how do you
market something like flying tulip we've invented a new way of raising capital with unlimited like some of these products can't be like marketed i consumer ones yeah but a
lot of these are like we've created a dat roll up like like how you know think about it like what's
what's exciting about that like is it a commercial of like a guy who's downing beers and he's like i
invested in this dad no i don't know we can't even go to yeah but we all The marketing has to be... We can't even go to do it right now.
Yeah, but we all saw it. The marketing has to be that you put money into a consumer-facing product
that highlights your technology.
Come on, man.
No one gives a shit about what's going on in the background.
I don't give a shit about anything most of the time regardless of where it is in
any round that's the reality though what jonah said is the reality though like i mean sure kibby
you can spend millions of dollars on marketing but like you're not going to get the direct roi
that you desire because like especially when you pay like certain people to do stuff the moment
people find out that this was a paid deal it becomes super distasteful and now no one's going
to look at the thing like that's the reality we can say we can say the impressions look fucking great and like sure they do but if you
pay 100 creators right now to post a thing and we see on the timeline 24 7 everyone knows it was paid
and it becomes isn't that koushi right now no no i think it's a little bit different it's a bit
different it's it's not just koushi i i hate to tell you hold on baby kb here's what i'll tell
you as a counter that would mean that calci did its job because polymarket has paid for more badges
than calci i have the actual the the counter up a polymarket paid for roughly 38 badges yesterday
two days ago was 39 versus 37 is it has it changed yeah and paul and paul
polymarket is also the deal structure kb so like the ones i'm referring to is like it's like a quick
post that like people don't see again with what they've done with eddie and jonah bringing them
somewhat in-house is definitely a better strategy than fucking tossing creator money i'm not in
anyone's house i'm outside more part of the brand versus the one-off post.
This obviously hurts my pockets, but I have no problem saying it.
This is the reality. This is the reality in which we live in.
Wait.
Is it actually 39 to 37?
I agree with you.
I'm telling you, Polymarket's spending
about three to five
actual cows she's spending on Sponsor Bill.
How do you mean three to five acts
if they're like two badges a hat?
There's no way that lasts.
Alright, question comes in.
Is there anybody in Web2 that has a Polymarket badge?
Like any type of politic or anything like that?
Politician?
Yes.
Who?
Do you guys know?
Like the news accounts.
Okay.
That's smart.
The news accounts are actually getting huge impressions.
Like, huge.
It's actually, like, there's a reason why Calci is mimicking that.
It makes a lot of sense.
It does really well.
Not like people.
Although, I think there are, like, a couple people.
And a lot of the people that are wearing the same badge that I'm wearing right now are people that you would just never know because they're...
There are, but they put the most...
It's very clear they put most of the spend behind the CalShe Instagram news account because it's the easiest way to get Instagram users.
And that's a pretty big, like, marketing fee.
Like, just on Twitter, it's 12K for the year.
But mind you, so the...
Now, there's, like, two...
There's, like, different types of...
There's so much...
It's, like, there's like different types of, there's so much, there's so much, it's like so layered, right?
The Calci spend right now is actually pretty heavily focused towards the sports betting
angle.
Last night you saw, I don't know if anyone was paying attention, they had like a parlay
thing go live, which was actually pretty interesting, but like, they're just different
spends right now and they're different angles, so.
And for like Calci, I can tell you, everyone's like,
oh, but it's a Web2 print.
They are coming on chain.
I already know what they're doing.
They are going to be a crypto company probably by year-end,
based on what I know.
They're going to have all the same features that Polymarket has.
And again, I use Polymarket, too.
I have plenty of bets on Polymarket.
I don't really give a shit.
I told them this too.
I don't really give a shit who wins.
I just want to make prediction content.
But yeah, like, there's a lot of forced hate
because, you know, a bunch of people on Twitter said that,
you know, Kalshi tried to fuck over Shane,
which even if that's true, which it probably is,
I can think of like 10 other things people have done in crypto
that are 10 times shadier.
Like, let's start with how everyone's gobbling CZ
and he literally created a squeeze on, you know,
fucking Sam Bankman and sent him to prison for 60 years.
So like, or 25 years, sorry.
Yeah, that was...
Like, let's talk about, you know,
competitors fucking each other over. I think having a a bunch of kols to say we don't like
shane copeland is a little less serious than sending people to prison for you know a quarter
of their lives that but everyone but nobody seems to give a shit because no one cares about cc doing
that which is always yeah so so i never gave a shit because if nobody gives a shit about that
then why the why the fuck would I care
about, you know, some beef between
Polymer and Calci? I don't give a fuck. I'm gonna be honest, funny
enough, I think what you just said is true, we
discussed this too. I think
you saying it right now is a lot of people's
first times ever hearing that, to be honest.
But there's a... No one knows, and
also a lot of people showed up here after
2023. They just don't realize
what happened, and then, like, actually a lot of people didn't even know for sure that that had happened until march or may of
this year whatever it was with the jelly jelly stuff where we were like damn like they are they
do play that game yeah it is i guess i guess nobody should use instagram because mark zuckerberg
fucked over one of his co-founders 15 years or open ai for doing what
he's done yeah nobody nobody should use gpt because elon got over nobody like dude this is
a blood sport everyone fucks each other over it's not my problem who does what to who no one's more
crypto than the other person uh aside from integrating a metamask wallet
in their u.s app i guarantee polymarket's gonna have to abide by the same rules calci does if
they want to be regulated in the u.s so like none of none of this matters it's all bullshit it's
just who has a better product and a lot of people too are like i don't mean like you've been in
business for a while and like a lot of people that are like are, green to business, so they don't know this stuff occurs.
And, like, once they kind of get into it,
like, they kind of smacked up a little bit,
and it's a little bit of a surprise.
But the longer they've been doing the thing,
they understand that this is how it is,
Olivia Bloodsport.
And, like, they become eventually okay with it
to what, you know, we have done.
Literally, you know, everyone is surprised
that the guy from CME Markets gave Shane the finger.
This is how it has been privately forever in business. Everyone is surprised that the guy from CME Markets gave Shane the finger.
This is how it has been privately forever in business.
You just saw the curtain get revealed for a second.
Jabs, you want to jump in?
Look, all I had to say was if people are complaining how much companies are spending on marketing and the lack of amount spent,
well,
lawyers probably more important than they,
no one's spending money on lawyers.
So that's,
well,
I mean,
you know,
we're working on,
we're working on that.
We're working on,
you know,
yeah.
I mean,
because I mean,
we don't,
we don't really have a good marketing plan.
Well,
I don't really, you know, if I do my job correctly, then the company will never know that they faced an issue. It's only when I do my job bad that they'll go, oh, shit, we got screwed over by a regulator. So it's not really a great marketing there. So maybe I could get help with marketing from some of these marketers up here. To be fair to the founders, spending money on lawyers does sound more boring.
Well, it sounds boring until like, it's very funny.
It's not boring.
It's just expensive as fuck.
No, no, no.
I can say that it is definitely boring.
It is very, very boring, but I try and make it interesting as much as possible.
My favorite thing is when I come up with a brilliant idea and the lawyer goes, yeah, you're retarded.
Here's how you go to jail.
I'm like, oh, I guess back to my regular thing.
But is that that bad, like, going to jail? Haven't you seen that interview?
No, come see me.
Come see me.
Haven't you seen that, like, SBA?
Yes, jail is that bad, bro.
Yes, it is that bad.
A lot of my ideas, I'm like, yeah, we can do this but I'm not sure about the legalities of it
So don't quote me on this bucket
Yeah, we talk max go to jail
Like I I'll say this going you think jail is good because you saw Sam
It's not even that forget that it's not worth it's not worth going to jail for 500 likes like it's it's genuinely not
With 100 likes is a lot though. No, no, it's not
Right, like you could there's a lot of things you could do for 500 likes that aren't going to jail
Which which you know shout out to the guys who went to jail for 500 likes earlier this week
I don't understand that at all.
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
What's the lore on that?
Can you explain it? I just didn't understand the pom-pom thing.
Like, why?
Oh, shit.
Okay, I get what you're talking about.
Like, what's the point?
Did they actually go to jail?
Yes.
So what happened?
Someone gave me, like, the breakdown of what happened.
That was the lamest thing ever.
For the trespassing and all that shit.
Yeah, why?
And they got lucky because the cops didn't want to do extra paperwork and book them.
Oh, they didn't get booked.
Because I'm not in the States, so if they got booked, what would have happened?
It goes on your record forever.
They would have been in jail until Monday morning, and then they would have had to have an arraignment.
Yeah, and then for everything have had to like have an arraignment yeah and then for
everything that they do in the future like literally everything that they do in the future
a background check is done on them and they like they pulls up and it goes oh they were arrested
in California for trespassing on like a national set why were they what were they doing and then
they ask questions about that and it's like is it worth 500 likes for that i just so they
didn't i don't know if they didn't get booked god bless brother that's the most amount of work i've
seen any of these like creator capital markets people that like like don't do any like you know
like i don't mean to be an asshole but like i look at a lot of the streamers and i'm like yeah maybe
you should fucking get a
job brother like i don't know if this is gonna work out for you long term and like yo at least
they did something like you know like compare it to like all the other shit that you see it's just
like some dude sitting there like in front of his computer he doesn't do anything all day uh at least
these guys left their house he's talking to me he's
literally talking to me he's talking to me right now he's i'm on i'm on it i mean if we're content
right i'm not talking about you or like other people like you that have informative content
like that i can watch and i can listen to but like a bunch of guys like fucking you know like
trying to decide what pizza to order uh and talking about how they're going to bag work tomorrow.
Like that's retarded.
Like I'm not putting any money into it.
I don't even know how that that market cap went above fucking like bonding.
Like none of that stuff makes sense to me.
First movers.
But I'm also old, right?
So they were like first movers, like from the Web 2 side or like they were just like regular dudes and they went balls to the wall.
And everyone was like, holy shit, you can just do kind of like outrage content on PumpFun and generate a lot of buzz.
And, you know, everyone kind of front ran that narrative.
And then we're all realizing that, like, yeah, you can't have everyone doing this and it's not all going to go to 30 million dollar market cap.
like yeah you can't have everyone doing this and it's not all going to go to 30 million dollar
market cap just the first one will and if you want to be a streamer and actually like long-term
make money with pump fun you probably have to have an engaging stream and be like a personality just
like a regular web 2 streamer not just fucking you know slap people in the face or steal people's
hats and like that's not that well isn't that what most of like that's like what most of
the content is on pump fun right because like for for the most part like i don't the clash royale
guy have you seen that guy he literally just streams crash clash royale is that the right
game i'm pretty sure the mobile game he streams that shit yeah but he's actually like he yeah i
know the one that you're talking about it's's like at, like, 30 million or something, right?
But, like, that guy has an existing fan base, and he's been streaming.
Like, it's not like, you know, he suddenly woke up one day,
and he's like, oh, there's creator rewards.
Let me go stream.
Like, that's what most of the space is.
Like, I have, like, a couple friends that are doing it or whatever right and they're younger
guys and like you know the amount of effort I've seen Burden put into his like creator capital coin
or whatever is like way greater than most of the people that have like sponsored deals and stuff
that are on there and it's just I don't know I just find it amusing because i i don't think like i think it
is changing stuff but it's not like who the are these people
andrew when creator coin oh dude uh this is a conversation i probably wouldn't do it unless
there's like legitimate vc backing behind this i think there's actual products to deploy on top of it to make a purchaser vehicle um i probably would probably make it more stable to be honest i wouldn't do it unless there's like legitimate bc backing behind this i think there's actual products to deploy on top of it to make a purchaser vehicle um i probably would probably make it more
stable to be honest i wouldn't make it an actual you know coin that can fluctuate in price action
dude i would pay to like have you live streaming real life like stealing people's cats no you
could that that i won't that you couldn't no i wouldn't solve for that you couldn't pay me
enough to do that i want to see andrew would you cover would you cover the hollywood sign with a
picture of bandits pfp yes yeah i'd cover you cover the Hollywood sign with a picture of Bandit's PFP?
Yes. Yeah, I'd cover the Hollywood
sign with your tweet this morning using that
photo. What do you think? Yeah, I think it's worth jail time.
David, I'm gonna
pin your Pokemon GM, because I
like it a lot. That should be
over the Hollywood sign, if anything.
Oh my god. Yeah, David, I mean,
yeah, you got it. The toddler did very well on that one.
Yep. Thanks. My added skills. Wait, David, oh my god yeah david i mean yeah you got it you're the toddler did very well on that one yep wait thanks my edit skills wait david i'm actually gonna like low-key dox you if i pin
this though is that okay what do you mean low-key dox me dude he's been doxed for yeah i don't really
care i love that photo of david but i want to say quickly like i was on eddie's side with this like
the like how stupid the the thing was yesterday for whatever little amount of
attention it got um like i don't know man i just don't think it's cool if you're like a 40 year old
man you're like yo let's put the pump fun logo over the hollywood sign get arrested will be so
cool man i don't know it just seems like there's other ways to spend your time if they got if they
got out of it without getting booked then fine fine. Game is game. Well done.
But the fact that they put themselves in a position to have that on the record forever is just...
Yeah.
To be honest with you, I think they wanted to get booked because in their mind they're thinking,
oh, the picture or the video of us getting booked is more content to add to the lore.
It's not.
But they don't realize the downside of it, too.
It's also just stupid to begin with.
The problem is it's't been done before.
You have to do something that hasn't been done before.
So if you were, like, don't mention this, like, the other day in one of the spaces.
Like, if you set the Hollywood, you know, sign on fire, like, no one's done that before.
You're probably going to get another, you know, more...
You're going to jail for, like, terrorism.
Yeah, but at least nobody's done it before, Eddie.
At least no one's done it before.
You know what I mean?
Like, don't be the fifth person to do this.
Is that financial advice?
If you fly a drone too close to one of the bridges here in the New York area, you might get booked for terrorism.
Like, it's just not worth it, right?
It was short-sighted.
Be smarter about it.
It was really short-sighted for what it was.
And I agree, Adi.
Like, it's just not something we should enable or celebrate.
I think we're just still, like, I don't know.
I'm not going to say things exactly.
But, like, I think a few years ago, there was this craze on, like, especially a bunch of YouTubers.
Like, the Nelk boys and everything went crazy for doing these stupid stunts.
And it's just not the trend anymore. And people that like it's not worth it and also half that shit is faked to begin with um but the people that like still try and do those
things it's just I don't know I think it's just a waste of time even it's dude it's saturated
though like too many people have done that and the most middle curve people on one stage right now?
I love this. You think so?
Yeah, bro. Yo, there's nothing
wrong with being in the middle curve.
There's nothing wrong with it at all.
I think it's
a testament to the way our parents
raised us to not
like...
But why do all of us feel insidious by you saying that?
I like those guys and stuff, but, huh?
Yeah, I'm not insulted at all.
I'm not insulted at all.
I know I'm, like, far left curve, so he's talking about your guys.
And I respect it.
See, this is exactly what somebody that's, like, extremely middle curve would say.
Dude, what are you talking about?
No, I'm into an argument.
To be honest, half of you, the Clyde guy.
Remember that?
Kuro, half the stage is Canadian, by the way.
So you literally insulted like fucking 50% Canadians today.
Kuro, remember when I went head to head with Avi Patel from KLED on the Alpha Co space?
And legitimately, I just said, hey, man, you have a lot of bravado.
And you walk in here and you sound like you know everything about crypto Twitter.
And he starts like ripping into me.
He's like ripping on my product the dms that i got after saying that the amount of dms that were
like dude thanks for saying what was on my mind like this guy like thinks he knows everything
it was so did you did you see his um did you see his elo his chess elo no is it really high okay so his 1100 it was like 2000 or something like that whatever
it's like the highest it's that it's basically his chess elo that he had listed it might still
be there um on his profile is that a point of like it is it requires that you how do i explain this
it is a chess elo that is so high that if you are not playing chess for 16 hours a
day every day you're probably not in that range like you're a top you're a top 300 player on the
planet and that was the listed bot you know chess chess elo in his bio which means he's either
lying out of his ass or is somehow like literally the greatest savant of all time uh which is which
i'd say is which i'd say is probably unlikely.
Like, he, it is grandmaster chess levels.
No, he's a marketing genius, because we're talking about him right now.
And I know that's, like, I'm obviously being fantastic.
But, like, he literally on this space was like, I am the best marketer in the world, and pastor, not an idiot.
Dude, I can't stand that.
I don't believe that at all.
Like, I think people who think, who's's I'm not saying you, by the way, I'm just saying people who create commotion for to be mentioned in spaces or videos and stuff. Like, that's not necessarily good marketing. That's what I'm saying. Like, okay, okay, great. I now hear about his product,
but you haven't convinced me to sign up.
So, like, that's not, you didn't do the job right.
Speaking of attention,
we have the number one Monad cosplayer
who fucking took over the timeline like 10 times.
Andrew, have you seen those cosplays?
Do you know what I'm talking about?
I haven't seen one of them, to be honest.
No, I reported this guy's account.
Every time I see one.
I like I literally have them muted because I did.
Yo, bro.
The spandex unnecessary.
Oh, shit.
It's kind of funny.
Hi, how do I say your name?
Wick Riv?
Oh, Wick Riv.
Yeah, I'm in an airport right now.
Don't leave, KB. Stay right where you are. Oh, I was like, stop now. Don't leave it all be but yeah stay right where you were
Oh, I was like yelling. He's like stop yelling at me. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, KBS to be here
Big what do you dressed as right now?
Right now just like normal hoodie and I know jeans. No, why don't you put on the Vogue clothes?
Voh clothes cosplay, because she's coming up.
Cosplay cuz she's coming. Hey, what are you guys wearing right now?
Hey, what are you guys wearing right now?
What are you...
I think Voh should PFP the cosplay
that he did.
She did for a while.
I got a lot of
really upset DMs that were like,
please do this.
Yeah, from me.
Yeah, yeah.
It is really funny, though.
I also PFP'd an honorary Nochilio,
which is a wide retardioio which I thought was hilarious
people also
questioned what that was but yeah
we're back
we're so back
how are you? man did I lie to you
I have seen his stuff before I don't think I've liked it
I don't think I've given any likes
he's so good
yeah Vickru how did you come up with the idea I don't think I've given any likes. Everyone on CTA has seen this shit. He's so good.
Yeah.
Vikru, how did you come up with the idea to start cosplaying these fucking Monad characters?
Actually, there was a campaign in Telegram.
Who's going to create the best meme about Monad stuff?
And I just got this idea. And I decided to start doing cosplays.
And then I saw crazy engagement that people love it and
I like decided to continue all the stuff and move like out from Monod to some
Are you single or do you have a girlfriend?
This is sad question. What a sequence of questioning. No, no, no. I'm trying to say something. Are you single Vikru?
Yeah, I'm single. Okay, if you get a girlfriend, you should totally, like, do cosplay teasing.
That's crazy.
Yeah, that's crazy.
Kuro, I gotta say something.
You absolutely muting him, by the way, and, like, pouring the account is definitely middle
curve, so now I agree with what you said, like, 10 minutes earlier.
Oh, bro, I'm, like, usually, like, I know how to, like, just, like, make the jokes or
whatever, right? But I don't believe in half make the jokes or whatever, right?
But I don't believe in half of the jokes I'm telling.
They're just repurposed fucking Dave Chappelle shit.
I don't believe in any of that shit, man.
Just look at my career path.
I've been doing scientific stuff for the better part of 20 years.
I'm not a degenerate at all really
did you did you uh settle things with ups or do i got oh i yeah i did thank you yeah yo bro i okay
here's where i'm at it's like uh fucking if you're sending me a package and like the value of the
package or two-thirds of the import cost is
the package like it might just they might just keep putting up posts on my door because i'm like
yo bro i like i don't know bro i'm so jewish it's it might be detrimental to my well-being
sometimes are you ready for yom kippur you got got the keeper ready? I do. I do, sir.
Hell yeah, brother.
Time to atone for our sins.
And I got a lot to do.
Bro, bro, the amount of sinning I've done this last year,
just like nuking coins on people,
I'm going to need everything that he can give me, man, at this point.
The typical Yom Kippur celebration is Wednesday night you stop eating
and then you don't get to eat again until Thursday night.
But I think I need to start early because I got to make up for like the last two years.
No, no, bro, that's like, bro, you know,
Medipan was kind enough to send me like a prayer guide and stuff.
So I'm going to follow that this year because I don't have any family close by to celebrate with because everybody
went to go see my mom
and I'm not in a position
to go out to Toronto
right now. Yeah, don't come here.
Don't come here. Just stay the fuck away.
Don't come here.
No, exactly. Yeah, you don't want to be here.
You don't want to be here.
I'll bless you with a rosary.
What? Kuro, I just need your PO box. to be here you don't want to be here i'll bless you with a rosary what
carol i just need your po bless him with a rosary he'll start burning by the way oh shit
what is that like yo bro i i'm i'm not gonna lie like the sorcerer stuff that you christians are
into is like all great like i i'm not like offended by it or anything, but you might want to look out for
your own souls. I can't wait
for Jesus to return.
I was like, fuck.
One of those odds on Polymarker.
Oh, Jonah, when they realized
like... Damn, they were
right. Fuck.
Jem C, how are you? You're still connecting for me better
nice every easter kiro gets a little anxious you're naked talking with my friends
are you actually no i'm not gonna ask that um actually fuck me i what i love the fact
bandit you just start You start saying
Are you? And then you think, oh, better check
Myself, and you think, no, it's already out there
And they answer it
I don't know, Jamsi makes everything sexual
He can't just say, like, I'm talking to my friend
He has to say that he's naked, too
Well, no, it's not that I have to sexualize
It's that I just spit facts, and I guarantee
I'm not the only naked person in this space
I'm actually in my underwear, I'm not gonna lie But I guarantee I'm not the only naked person in this space. I'm actually in my underwear.
I'm not going to lie.
But I didn't feel like the need to disclose that.
In case anyone's wondering, I'm not naked.
But thanks for sharing, guys.
Thanks for sharing, Jamsay.
The last time I picked up a phone and decided to be naked in front of my phone was.
I was probably like...
Yeah, that's kind of crazy.
In my early 20s and like not all there you don't go on your phone in bed you guys don't like have
your no i bro i don't yo bro when i go to sleep my phone is nowhere near my body it is fucking
in the office it's actually really bad for you to have your that's so healthy yeah no i know it's
i wake up i wake up like five times tonight and check it and like break my sleep cycles it's
it's horrible it's so healthy but like you have to put it on the nightstand or a different room
or something oh yeah no it's on the nightstand don't get me wrong but i mean like even like
in arm's reach right where i just like wake up and check it all the time it's so bad
brother i just like i don't know how do how do you guys what are you
texting at 2am yeah like what looking at the aster charter xbl yeah i was about to say he's in like
a 10x long on aster literally on aster brother you gotta do what i do and get a second job
the moment you're looking at your portfolio more than once a day get a second job if you still
are looking at your portfolio more than once a day after getting a second job get a third job
okay very i'm not gonna lie to you you say twice or two or three times i probably look
500 or a thousand times and i'm not even exaggerating am i the only one who just
checks coins and portfolios all the time refresh refresh refresh did i make billion dollars no i don't do that uh i i know that i'm
down a lot of my plasma bags though me did you get wrecked to liquidate you this morning yeah
i mean i have a spot bag too which i'm just lp-ing but I'm absolutely rinsed yeah
It's okay Jam see you'll make it back. What what do they say is like one trade make it all back it's something like that
Make it all back in one trade one click is all you need
Bandit is launching his CCM coin soon. So he said I'd get the early CA dude
If I make a CCM coin is going to like 20k market cap and then dying.
But I'll send it to you. Maybe you'll win the Trencher of the Year
next year.
How could I win Trencher of the Year when GG is still around?
I don't know.
Impossible. You have to flip it.
You have to trade better. It's kind of crazy
by the way that vote won any awards.
I gotta be honest. Well, I wanna know
how do they pick Trencher of the Year? Really? You and really you and professor crypto vote best educators in the space no guys guys you know
what's even crazier than the people that won these awards is if you go to the people that hosted kol
capital go to their website go to their kols it's people that are like actual like kaido farmers
like actual kaido farmer accounts that have like they all have like six emojis forbes
30 under 30 in their bio and it's just like all kaido and like undisclosed meme coins i have not
heard of a single person on their like 200 person kowell roster um yeah i would go check it out
do you know about forbes like can you pay for forbes 30 under 30 yeah yeah yeah yeah
i wanted to know it's like it's like 15 grand yeah it's yeah it's not that expensive yo so it's like 15 grand uh when i was like in my mid-20s it was like a popular thing that people
would do um from toronto before they went out to like Silicon Valley to go and raise funds.
Well, like the irony of this is they would do all that and then like they wouldn't be
able to raise funds because like they knew what was up already.
That sounds like the classic Waterloo grad that's like, you know, they say, what do they
say?
SF or bust
um oh yeah yeah yeah oh bro bros you guys got to hear about this one so fucking one of my buddy's
kids is at uh is at um dartmouth right and then his uh younger sister just got into waterloo
and you know like by like canadian standards you know dartmouth is a cool
school but it's no waterloo right just because like you know one of the telltale signs of actually
graduating from uh waterloo is hair loss so like this guy keeps sending his younger sister
fucking pictures of her balding it's just like oh she's on track it's a kpi she's
on track to completion girl that like you get like the like your face really like deforms like huge
bags under the eyes like you just don't look you don't look healthy anymore like you literally do
not look healthy anymore i've seen too many of these fucking before bro that's why i chose uft
over fucking waterloo yeah dude me me David went to York, bro.
Yo, if you can use a fork, you can go to York.
Let's go, baby.
Is dropping out of college.
Yeah, and then you stream on Abstract,
and then your portfolio nukes by 80%, and then you better demand an airdrop.
Hey, I dropped out of college.
I'm doing okay.
I actually just pinned that link if someone wants.
It's not a drainer, I hope. Yeah, but you dropped out of college i'm doing okay i actually just pinned that link if someone wants it's not a drainer i hope yeah but you dropped out of college but you're like
intelligent like you can't compare yourself to the other people that drop out of college like
that guy so this is the problem with the space is some people need college in order to function as
like adults you know what i mean like and then the biggest thing from college is like the social, right?
Like your people skills, your social skills, your emotional stability.
Like that's more important than what you learn with like a basic bachelor's degree.
If you actually want to learn like skills pertaining to whatever you want to do,
you go to like do your master's, your PhD or whatever.
But what college is different now than it was 10 years ago like just based off of like culture alone like a lot
of these schools are like now propagated versus like 10 years ago was a little bit different
like i think the personnel people attending different schools now it's completely gotten
like up to be honest it is what it is it is what it is um but that's kind of the currently the you
know the law of the land i guess depending on you know the state the province you know
things a little bit different.
But, yes.
For one, I mean, I'm not like a huge advocate for university,
but I think it's a very good way to keep people like,
I think if you look at the greater population,
people need direction.
And without direction and some sort of structure,
they get fucked.
So I'm not like saying, I i mean i have my degree brother imagine if i didn't go to to a form
of secondary education what i would be like that's what i mean and me too where i'm like like i can
see how my life's trajectory would be different not saying that i i i mean i'm still retarded
don't get me wrong but if you look at the greater population, some sort of guidance, whether it's secondary education or something else, like, I see people get lost way too quickly.
Maybe it's because where I come from, people just start doing drugs and shit and just go off the deep end, but I feel like some sort of, like, structure is important for kids that age.
I have no idea.
I think the thing is, like, yeah, I'm very pro-educ education, whether that's a trade school, like, you know.
Love trades.
Wish I did trades.
You come out of school and you make 120K a year.
Yeah, it's crazy.
It's, yeah, very manual, though, for the most part.
But, yeah, I'm just like pro education, whether that's learning on your own, being an entrepreneur, reading, going to school, going to trade school.
Like, just educate yourself.
Like, that's why i like
crypto so much because i learn something new every day like no matter who i talk to i learn something
new which is really cool oh my god we are in a middle curve space what the fuck this is yeah
it's pretty bad it's pretty bad girl no but it's good it's not pretty bad it's pretty good depending
on who it is like depending on who it is bro i like
like you know me i like sit in like just about every twitter space i don't have any like
particular preference but like now i do to like spaces like this that's why i show up because it's
like the the amount of times that i spend there and i just hear the most senseless like draining conversations it's just
i just don't know i fully agree with that by the way i'm happy to be if i hear if i have to hear
one more ccm space like i might delete my account like i can't do another three hour space of ccm
hey guys which content creator are we bidding I think this one is gonna do something crazy. I'm bidding on Bandit.
On Bandit. Oh my god. Oh my god, David has lodged a coin. I'm going to the Hollywood sign guys.
Let me just, I'm just gonna print out some A4 papers and I'm gonna, I'm gonna put up pictures of David.
I wanna say it's Vibe, because we're gonna rock this soon. We'll be going in like two hours, but Vibe.
How's it going? Are you still very very active on avax or what are you up
to brother you asked me this the other day bandy yeah i know dude a lot can happen in two days in
crypto but i know i know you're big on avax and i think the best person the best person to talk
about with avalanche is is on this space right now is vo you need to talk to vo about avalanche
don't talk to me about it me and vovier i are friends i came on because you it's good to know that we're all in a sinking ship right now with the what was it the fucking
xpl oh yeah yeah we're all getting fucked uh but i'm you want to know a group fuck right now
back to the education topic i had no idea how to buy this and now i'm actually really happy
that i had no idea how to buy it yeah that's a good job uh
i'm buying more i'm i'm dc-ing in but i i wish i did not know how to buy it the first time i bought
it um kind of i am i have a pretty big bag and i'm very bullish on it long term i'm not surprised
to see this pullback dude it ripped it i mean everybody pre-saled it at 0.05 cents and they're
up 40x oh my god jams you're not making me feel
better like when you say that i'm just gonna think like it's gonna die yeah but the tokens
aren't getting unlocked for us for a year no no no so so there's two different investment groups
so there's the echo group which is through kobe's platform echo which you could invest in plasma
a thousand dollars invested there right now i, that current price is probably about 300k, but it has a year lock 1k to 300k seriously with a 12, 12 year cliff. Um, but the, uh,
the public pre-sale was the one where you deposited USDT, uh, maybe two months ago or so,
and you locked your stables for just under two months. Um, and basically that gave you the
ability to buy XPL and allocation if you wanted to.
100K basically gave you 100K XPL tokens. So you get your staples back 100%, they're unlocked now,
you get your money back, and you had the right to buy those tokens at 0.05 cents. So basically, if you put 100K USDT onto Plasma two months ago, you now have your 100K back, but you also were
able to buy 100K tokens for 5 cents, which is $5,000, which is now worth, if you look at 100K tokens at the price, it's worth $100,000, right?
So you made 95K at current prices.
one of the things which i picked up on was all these pre-sailers and all the guys that got in
when they're all publicly out there and saying yeah we just sold it at 1.4 1.4 and i'm like
i should have sold out 1.4 as well because these boys made a ton of money at that point
i think that was the good point i i know some people that made a couple million dollars on on
the on the public presale part i mean people that made echo but i don't care about the echo stuff
it takes a year um they're They're redeploying money already.
They've already captured a 40-cent spread,
which is almost like a third of the token price since they sold, right?
So I'm making a folder.
I have a file that would be selling.
I'm fucking watching.
Wait, you're watching?
Bro, where's my fucking... Are you like the on-chain FBI?
Jemsi, I knew you would be like...
You're a friend who's going to come in handy.
You tell me when they start buying, then I'm going to start buying too.
I just want to see more posts about people learning about taxes for the first time this year.
That was awesome.
Oh, did you see the thread guy stuff, Kuro?
What was it, 54%?
Bro, like people, like they don't do any research before they move to California, and then they're surprised.
Like, what did you think Gavin was going to do?
You thought he was going to let you hold some?
He knew some, and he took it all.
Yeah, don't get me started on the airdrops.
For all you fucks that have been getting airdrops, just so you guys know, check the tax law around that.
Not a lawyer at all, or a tax attorney at all.
Like, based off the number you get. Do not tell Florida we are not voting blue here. guys know check the tax law around that not a lawyer at all or a tax attorney at all like based
off the number you get you're not telling the florida we are not voting here fuck off no let's
let florida stay red let's florida stay red andrew andrew you're right i think everybody should look
at those laws but also that brings me to something that's actually fucking super cool um meteorite
announced how they're doing their airdrop it looks awesome it looks so good so
from a from a like i have in a previous life uh tax and wealth management planning
um perspective and like seriously for them to airdrop basically like nfts that capture fees
right away but have like it's not the same idea of like an airdrop where you have this cost basis and you
just get fucked if it goes to zero whoever's advising them on the tax consequence side of like
the airdrop quote-unquote is fucking brilliant and for the first time ever in my opinion i'm
gonna probably sleep through the airdrop because it's always a shit hellhole to try and claim
airdrops and it's always rug rugged and all that bullshit because if as soon
as Meteora goes live they're basically going to give everyone an NFT that has a built-in LP to it
that you can claim and that LP is earning fees from second one so once Meteora starts trading
whether there's buy or sell pressure your pool is active in that NFT and you actually don't get that
cost basis until you claim
it essentially.
So, so if it nukes, you can claim it at a low cost basis and sell higher.
If it pumps, you get like, it's very fucking cool and how they're, how they're kind of
doing it.
And I think it's going to set a precedence going forward for maybe not like the same
strategy, but for companies to actually look at the end user and say, like, are we fucking
people like this?
Because a lot of people do get fucked by airdrops without even knowing sometimes um and i think that it's super cool
they're trying something very different oh bro i still have to pay the taxes on my magic eden airdrop
even though it's staked for four years so i i know i know where you can complain i know where you can
complain uh uh right here that was right below me no why would i complain i made my decision bro
i never ever ever rely on someone else to take the blame for my bad decisions bro i everybody
everybody be like hero everybody be like hero real you're gonna have to like search the middle curve to be like hero
hey uh gemsy what's happening with meteora because i saw something about an error i'm not up to do it
i know you talked about the nfc but like wait is that like confirmed that they're gonna airdrop something yeah yeah yeah so so they're tge-ing in october like within the next i'll call it 30 days
um and it's meteor token met met ticker um people that
farmed uh maybe not farm people that use meteor over in the last couple years have been accruing
points uh 2024 points are worth more than 2025 points i think there's a point checker somewhere
on their website or on their twitter um and basically you can kind of extrapolate what those
points are versus the fdvs and kind of
assume what your airdrop is going to be based on what you think the token price is going to be
and it's an airdrop but instead of just dropping met tokens to your wallet they're going to do it
in a dynamic way where they they drop like some sort of claim nft that you are earning fees on
your notional allocation of met if they basically put it in a pool for you,
but it's not yours until you go in and claim it. So it's an interesting way instead of just
dropping tokens with a cost basis into your wallet, like an ACB. And you can fucking be
on vacation for the three weeks and your MET tokens, even though you didn't claim them per se,
they're still earning fees because they're part of a liquidity pool that's providing liquidity for Meteora.
Like, it's very cool.
And I think it's very to the a la Meteora, right?
Like, it's to their ethos of, like, their liquidity provider.
So I think it's a very fucking cool thing.
Are you, like, going to cook on this?
I think I'm completely silent.
I'm not going to lie.
Yeah, I have a decent amount of points for 2024 for sure.
Yeah. Okay, nice. Grats, bro. Do you think Phantom is going to lie. Yeah, I have a decent amount of points for 2024 for sure. Okay, nice.
Grats, bro.
Do you think Phantom is going to make a token?
I know Metamask is being talked about.
Do you think Phantom is going to join?
Yeah, obviously.
I think everyone's going to make a token, bro.
At this point, tokens at the end of the day, everyone keeps asking, why are people making
tokens?
Why is Metamask making tokens?
It's to fucking cash out the VCs.
Why is OpenSea making a token?
If you know someone, please tell them to get Phantom to drop a token
because I've spent fucking billions swapping in the wallet because I'm lazy.
But you have to realize that they're not doing it for us.
They're doing it for them.
It's a way to get VCs to get money out from their investments
from two, three, four, five years ago that are either underwater.
And the team. And the team. Yeah, Eddie's right. Eddie's right. And the team. out from their investments from two, three, four, five years ago that are either underwater or just not really-
And the team.
And the team.
Yeah, Eddie's right.
Eddie's right.
And the team.
But this is their way of like, instead of having to create like a business that creates revenue
over 10 years and pays you back, it's like, we can just do an airdrop and kind of make
up this notional wealth.
Let's do it.
All right, good shit.
I'm gonna have to rocket Andrew has to jump into a meeting
I don't know if he's still here I don't think so
David are you still here?
good shit
David I saw you getting into a sparring war yesterday
a sparring war?
with who?
yeah weren't you going back and forth with someone
who was it again?
oh GG
are we gonna talk about that before we like finish the With who? Weren't you going back and forth with someone? Who was it again? Oh, Gigi.
Oh, shit.
Are we going to talk about that before we finish the space?
No, no, no. Can of worms.
No, no, no.
There was no war.
Just a tweet.
Alright, that's the tweet.
Before you rugband it,
I wouldn't be talking about all this marketing
shit without doing a very, very small plug or shill.
If you do want to try something brand new that hasn't even come out yet, it's in closed
beta and you liked what I had to say, or you just want to chat about what I'm building,
please hop in my DMs and say, hey, what's up?
It's completely free to try.
It's called Token Draft.
Any questions, just DM me, please.
And again, thank you guys so much for having me up here.
Yeah, you're always welcome Dima
Completely free to chill, but you're gonna have to send me 5k USDC for saying that after the show. Yes, I'm just
I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding
Is there an airdrop? Is there an airdrop?
First time on the space
The token side letter so that's all I'll say
I'll say first time on the space, it's on us.
Second time, we'll maybe send you a 50 bucks invoice.
Third time, it's going to get steep.
Yeah, fair, fair.
Makes sense.
I dropped a follow to token draft, so I'm going to check it out.
Third time, he'll get you speaking about your relationship, whether you want to or not.
That's what happens.
You're warned.
Oh, shit. I'm ragging this before it's part of set of control thanks for showing up uh we have a space on thursday with wolf swap they're gonna be joining us and uh hopefully talk to you then
have a good day uh don't get liquidated don't fight on the timeline be nice take a nap and uh
yeah we'll stay in touch bye
