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WEB3 MUSIC | +C.O.C ft Clejan | MetaJax | sponsor- META-BUILDERS
Recorded: Nov. 17, 2023 Duration: 2:04:12Space Recording
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Good afternoon. Welcome to the community of Communities Web 3 Space. We are super excited for tonight. Happy Friday indeed. Tonight we have got some incredible guests for you guys tonight. We are just going to get everyone on stage first, get the speakers up on stage, get the team on stage.
Then we'll give an introduction of how the space is going to be conducted and then we will introduce our guests for the evening. It will take a couple of minutes for the team and the guests to get in the space and on the stage.
So for all you guys who are listening back to the space or listening to the podcast, we appreciate your patience. It normally takes about three to five minutes to get everyone in and on the stage before we get the ball rolling.
But in the meantime, happy Friday. We will go and introduce all of the co-hosts and the team. And then by that point, we should have our guests in the platform on the stage.
So first of all, we have Tricky Buddha, one of our co-hosts. Tricky, happy Friday, my friend. How are you doing, sir?
Hey, it's Tricky Buddha from D5 Space Donkeys. Happy Friday, guys. I'm doing pretty good. Caught up in my rest. I'm charged and ready for another great space.
Hope you guys are all pumped for the weekend. I know we got some good projects tuning in, so I'm glad to be here.
Absolutely. Let's go. Yes, now Clee Giants joined. Clee Giants, happy Friday, my friend.
We're just going to introduce all of the team onto the stage. Then we'll introduce you and then we'll give a brief introduction as to how we'll conduct the space,
just so you know what's going on and how we're going to do it. And then we will get the ball rolling and dive right in.
So in the meantime, we will move on to the next team member. We've got nine team members to introduce.
So our next co-host, the Bacon Sandwich. How are we doing, Bacon?
Hey, what's up, guys? I'm going to say it's Friday again. I always look forward to Fridays, man. I love doing this.
Absolutely. These Fridays are definitely getting closer together. We also have the one, the only, the Mike Smart from the CEO of MetaBuilders. Mike Smart, how are we doing, sir?
Good, good. Just excited to hear about the projects today.
Absolutely. Let's go. Super excited. Nice one, Mike.
We also have Christian Abbott from the Stray Dogs Club, the Doggoons official, the Shibu Society and the Community Score team. How are we doing, Christian?
Doing great. I can't wait to hear what's going on with Cleogen and MetaJax. So, yep, looking forward to it.
Let's go. Let's go.
Let's go. Yeah, we also have Z3 in the building. How are we doing, Z?
I'm doing great. I've heard a lot about MetaJax through MetaBuilders. So, this is a project I'm looking forward to.
Oh, definitely. Super excited. Well said. Definitely heard a lot and looking forward to speaking to Tim for the first time, that's for sure.
We also have Trey in the building. Trey, how are we doing, sir?
Yeah. I'm doing great, full stop. Let's go.
Let's go. We also have Miss Evie in the building. Evie, how are we doing?
Doing well, doing well. Hey, y'all. How's everyone doing? Happy Friday. I'm super stoked about this one, y'all. I'm very excited.
Let's go. I love it. Yeah, I think we're all really excited, that's for sure.
So, we also have Crypto Tone in the building. How are we doing, Tony?
I'm doing amazing, brother. I'm looking forward to this space. Looking forward to, if possible, if Kleejan could do a little bit of music today on the space, that would be amazing.
Yeah, I think we might be able to squeeze a bit of music out of him, definitely.
Let's go.
And without further ado, we'll introduce our two guests for this evening and then we'll get the ball rolling.
We have the one and only Kleejan. How are we doing, Kleejan? Welcome to the space, my friend.
What's good, gang? So happy to be here. Thank you for having me. Pump to hang and vibe and play some music for y'all. Appreciate it.
Let's go. Nice one, buddy. Super excited. And we also have, I think we have Tim from MetaJax. Tim, welcome to the space, my friend. Thank you so much for joining us.
Hey, it's good to be with you guys. Looking forward to it.
Yeah, thank you, Tim. We're definitely really excited. It's going to be an amazing space, you know, two incredible people from the web-free industry and from the, you know, professions of your own field.
So definitely, I mean, you know, Mike, you've told us a lot about MetaJax. I mean, what a phenomenal ecosystem it really is.
So, you know, I'm sure you're just as excited as we are.
But yeah, so we'll start with you, Kleejan, if that's all right.
If you want to give us a brief introduction about who you are, you know, why you're where you are now, you know, how you found Web3 and, you know, how you found your way into the music industry.
Didn't do the introduction, Rev. You didn't do the introduction.
Which one?
Yeah, the formula, the formula, so people know what's happening.
Yeah, so, yeah, sorry. Thank you.
So, yeah, how we normally conduct these spaces is we have two guests.
We feature each guest for an hour long each.
This space is going to be a little bit different.
We're going to be having a conversation between both of you guys throughout the entire space because, you know, you're both from the music side of the industry.
We think you're both going to really enjoy each other's company.
You know, you're both obviously extremely successful in the areas that you are from.
And it's vibes like this from you guys that I think that you guys especially are in the industry for.
And, you know, we all know from what we know about you guys that you have been absolutely fundamental in the time and energy you've put into this space.
So we're super excited to speak to both of you.
So, yeah, thank you for that, Bacon.
And so if Cleijon, if you would be happy to, you know, give us a breakdown on who you are and how you got to where you are today, that would be brilliant if you wouldn't mind, sir.
Yeah, absolutely.
So everyone, hi, my name is Zach Cleijon.
Cleijon is my last name.
It is Romanian.
I am American, but my dad's side of the family is Eastern European.
And I started, I come from a family of musicians.
My dad was a fiddler, grandfather a pianist, great-grandmother was like the first graduate from the Conservatory of Music as a woman in Austria in 1860s.
So music's in my blood.
And my family started me really early before I could even walk.
And I grew up hating violin.
I grew up trained classically and just like not resonating with it at all and being like forced to play and all that good stuff that you hear about.
And what I did fall in love with, though, was music.
And I fell in love with hip-hop.
I'm from Atlanta, Georgia, which is one of the birthplaces of trap music.
If anyone doesn't know what trap music is, it's a sub-genre of hip-hop.
And I got to witness kind of like the rise of and formation of trap music through like OutKast and Gucci Mane and Jay-Z and, I mean, and Jeezy and other TI, other great artists.
And I tried to rap in high school.
I kind of like ran away from the violin and tried to rap in high school.
That did not work out for me.
I was very much like ridiculed and laughed at by most of my community and kind of put my music aside to go to business school in hopes that I could learn some skills to try it again someday.
And I got a degree in marketing and business and moved to Los Angeles where I worked corporate marketing for a few years.
And there I basically just like got inspired again by Lindsey Stirling and other amazing violinists and artists and saw a lane to kind of make my own music and my own niche in the industry as a quote-unquote trap violinist.
And my vision for that was to be like one of the world's first true like rapping violinists, kind of do something different that I hadn't seen anyone do.
And it's been a really fun journey starting from scratch.
I'm an independent artist.
I've been independent the entire time.
And I've learned so, so much and just had like such a fun up and down journey as the music industry, as music journeys often are over the past four years.
Getting to where I am, but I have put out over 60, I put out 63 original songs on all platforms and web too.
Um, I've built a TikTok following of 800 and 15,000 as of today.
Um, and, uh, I, I have used short form video to propel, uh, my, my listenership and my fan base and my career in web too.
And, uh, have been, I've become a content creator as well, you know, kind of accidentally.
That was never my intention when starting in music, but, um, that is the environment we are in today.
Is that, uh, to be a successful artist, I think you, you kind of need to be a content creator as well.
So over the past few years, I've been learning those ropes and, and doing what I can in that.
And how I got to web three is I kind of just, you know, I'm a, I'm an artist, I'm a musician.
I watch the landscape.
I see what's going on.
I see, try to find new ways to, to use my art to, to, to, to, to be discovered and, and try to bring value with my art.
And I, I've seen what's happening with web three.
I've known personally artists, uh, in web three, like TK, the legend.
I don't know if you guys know anyone in here, uh, anyone in here knows of him, but, um, I've just seen the success of artists in web three.
And I've, and I made it a goal of mine, uh, last year to, to at least get my foot in the door this year.
That was my new year's resolution.
And, um, so I got a lucky event invite to NFT New York city through a contact contact of mine.
I was able to, uh, perform to a room of web three enthusiasts.
And that kind of launched my journey in the space where I was able to, um, go to Portland at AVAX PDX to perform and go to breed convention in Las Vegas and hustle my way to a main stage performance in front of incredible artists.
Like, uh, Violetta, Zeroni, and, uh, famous Dill and meet some, I've met incredible people in the space and the community.
And it's just been such a wonderful, wonderful journey, um, in web three so far.
And, and I've released, uh, I started releasing my, my first music NFTs and what's been amazing for me is I've been able to move over my web to fanship to web three.
Um, like I have a wonderful community that I built up on Tik TOK and through the music and they are so supportive and, um, they understand what I'm trying to do.
So I've converted, uh, you know, a good number of people to crypto and web three to, to help my drops sell out a day of, um, we've only put out two drops on sound XYZ, but, um, our second drop trended next to Snoop Dogg the same day at number two, uh, for volume, I believe.
And that was really cool. That was like last week. And, um, now I'm just like, you know, really just trying to, this has been my goal all year.
I want to, I want to just provide as much value, not only to my collectors, but to this community, um, with, and I want to lead with the music.
I don't pretend to know, uh, you know, everything or what's going to happen with the space of the industry.
I believe in it wholeheartedly. Um, but I want to lead with my music and obviously with kindness and positivity and, um, just try to meet as much people as I can get, uh, make new friends, make new collaborators.
And, um, uh, this is, this is part of that. Thank you guys so much for having me. Um, I'm so happy to, to meet y'all, answer any questions and play all some music.
I think I kind of got everything that was like a five minute rant, but I think I kind of covered a lot. So, uh, I'll, I'll pause here.
Yeah, no, you definitely, uh, you know, you give us a great rundown there. Thank you so much. Um, but yeah, no, what an incredible story.
Um, and it is interesting as well. You speak about the content side of it because, you know, from watching your content myself, you have done a brilliant job of, you know, giving a great perspective of, of, of your skill and how you enjoy it, you know, because that is, that was what I very quickly realized from the content myself was just how much you enjoy what it is that you do, which made it really easy to watch.
And that made me realize I liked violin a lot more than I ever initially could have imagined. Um, you know, and you being as gifted as you are with what you do, which isn't me just bigging you up. That's just a straight up fact.
It's amazing that you've, you know, you've, you've done so well on social media and you've, you've, you know, you've really led the way in what you're doing and, you know, with super privilege that you've joined us tonight. So, you know, we really appreciate you giving us a deep dive into what it is that you do.
I mean, obviously we're going to definitely unpack more about, um, how you got to where you are and, you know, how you found your feet because, you know, the videos that you posted about your, your journey, I think really do paint a great picture of the, the, the entire process. I think you've done a brilliant job there.
Thank you, my friend. Yeah, absolutely.
So, yeah, no, thank you, uh, Cleejan. Um, we'll dive back to you in just a moment. Um, I'd love to hear Tim give us an introduction of him.
And then we'll dive into both stories, um, at the same time, if that's all right. So Tim, welcome to the stage, my friend. Thank you so much for joining us. How are you doing this afternoon?
Yeah, we're doing great out here. It's, uh, great to hear Zach and his story there. That's, uh, I'm a, I'm actually a big Lindsay Sterling fan from way back. My, uh, one of my sons actually was a huge fan of hers is a huge, huge fan of hers.
He was a kind of a dub stepping, uh, kid back in the day and, uh, just love what Lindsay does. So Zach, if you're doing anything like that, I'm, I'm already a fan.
I can't wait to, uh, check it out and see more of what you've got going on. Um, always been, of course, fan of the violin and of the fiddle and, uh, of, uh, you know,
we had a, uh, group called Paris Chanson here at the club, uh, last weekend, or I guess it was last weekend doing, uh, just a whole blend of, uh, what, uh, you know, generally referred to as gypsy music.
But, uh, they had a great fiddler in that band, um, and multi-language, uh, covering a lot of, uh, European, you know, French and, uh, Russian and, and some, some Hebrew, some Arabic, just a whole great, uh, uh, experience.
But anyway, love the fiddle, love the violin. And, uh, of course I'm a big fan and advocate for all things jazz. Um, fundamentally believe that, uh, uh, underneath all, uh, modern music as we know it is, uh, is jazz and, uh, rhythm and blues from the turn of the last century.
So like, you know, 130 years ago, music started changing. It was influenced by, uh, what I call, uh, just, uh, music, music primitives. And that, what I mean by that, I mean, I'm talking about musicians who are born with a certain, uh, something extra, something special, that gifting that, uh, where they speak music as a primary language. I mean, uh, I myself, I'm, I'm educated in music.
I have a master's in conducting and orchestration and started my career kind of in that area, but I'm by no means one of these music primitives. I mean, it's a lot of hard work for me. I had to, you know, ear training and theory and, and really for me, music is, is very mathematical, but there's a, you know, in being fortunate and blessed to be around by some incredibly talented people over these musicians over these decades, you meet these people that are flat out, uh, music primitives.
They speak music. And when you put these musicians together, they have conversations, they talk to each other, they hear each other, they understand each other and they, and these conversations become what, uh, what I just call exceptional jazz.
That's really what jazz is, is people able to speak music to one another. And then the rest of us are, if we're fortunate, we get to, uh, sit in and eavesdrop on these conversations and they just take you to new places, take you to places you've never visited.
And it, and it, and it absolutely cannot be confused with, uh, any, uh, with, uh, pop music. You can't be confused with, uh, with music that follows more, uh, simple forms.
And although I've, I love all kinds of music, I love, there's not really any kind of music I don't love, but there's something special, uh, about improvisation.
When, uh, those who speak music get together and talk to each other. So that's what I'm a fan of. And these exceptional musicians, uh, because of, uh, really the way that the music business works.
And I've been around it and a part of it for decades, uh, it, it's kind of grown, uh, to the exclusion of, of these, uh, incredible musicians.
So could just imagine, just imagine if the NBA had no room for LeBron James or Steph Curry, or, or you couldn't, you know, there, there was, uh, there was no respect for, uh, for these that just phenomenal players, right?
No, no, no, it's the opposite. Well, in music, it's kind of strange because what makes a phenomenal personality or entertainer is very different oftentimes than what makes a phenomenal musician.
So, uh, my belief is that, uh, web three blockchain crypto, um, is part of the, or if not the most important, uh, you know, influence on what the future for these musicians, uh, can be.
Uh, there's, uh, you know, the, the idea of being able to, uh, own custody and bank your own, uh, creation, uh, in a self-sovereign way that is freedom for the future artists.
And believe it or not, I also believe that AI is a huge tool for all that as well. We can talk about that later.
Um, but I think, uh, AI is great because it makes everybody able to create great music, but it's also fantastic because like technology has done for generations, the more the technology, the more it creates a better space for those who are expert at something for those who are, who really, uh, have a, have a special gift, uh, in any kind of, uh, discipline or, uh, or talent or vocation.
Those who have that special gift, uh, technology just makes them better is my belief.
So that's kind of my overall, uh, statement of, of what I'm, why I'm into this and I'm into it.
I'm all into this.
I'm doing nothing else.
And I did a hard pivot back at it, in the pandemic, March, 20, 2020 was a real turning point for me up to that point.
Uh, I was, uh, uh, basically spent my career in, uh, uh, film TV and some music as it was related to, to that up in town, mostly in the, uh, west side of Los Angeles and Santa Monica, but always living down in Orange County.
And, uh, so I, I made that commute for, for decades and, and, uh, was able to be a part of a lot of great, uh, projects and launch, help launch some networks and things like that.
And started in music, migrated over to production and post-production, got into, uh, had, had a nice little team of, uh, visual effects artists and animators and all that throughout the 2000s.
Started in the nineties, into the two thousands, and it started getting into our own projects.
And, uh, in 2017, just, I always, I've always loved live music.
I've always loved, um, you know, uh, events and, and, uh, you know, a big and small, uh, stadium size events all the way down to small club size events, or even, even house parties, love planning those kinds of things.
And, uh, in, uh, in 2017, I stumbled into crypto and was, and I just loved what it represented at that point.
And, and I felt that blockchain somehow was going to be part of what liberated music from what it become.
I mean, I, I'm a, I'm a, uh, uh, I, I don't have a lot of patience for where music has gone, uh, with the big platforms, uh, tech platforms, not a fan of Spotify,
not a fan of, uh, YouTube when it comes to music, not a fan of, uh, really any of, of these, uh, streaming things, because I've seen what it's done is it's decimated, very talented people's lives.
Now I'm not talking about entertainers.
You can be an influencer, you can be an entertainer, and you can, you can do just fine because those are personality driven things.
It's just like, you know, um, the, uh, you, you can be a musician and play in people's bands and be incredible, but people will never know who you are.
A lot of the jazz musicians that, that, uh, frequent our club, they play in a lot of the movies you hear or you watch.
And they're, uh, a lot of the television, they're players in, they, they play, they're great side, side guys in bands.
And yet it's a real struggle for them.
And at the same time, you know, if you're a, if you're a YouTube influencer, you can spin up, go out and auto tune your way to greatness.
And which is, that's fine.
That's a whole nother track, but I'm, I'm an advocate for the real musicians here.
Um, and, uh, I think, uh, just, I'm making a big assumption and I bet, that Zach is one of these just because he wouldn't be doing what he's doing right now.
And he's got some great heroes.
So I'm excited to hear what he's, what he's up to.
Um, anyway, so what happened in 2017, I got fell into crypto and in 2018 had an opportunity.
I produced a big event in Vegas, uh, as a blockchain convention at Mandalay Bay.
And through that, I was able to meet all kinds of people, just incredible people, uh, Bitcoiners, uh, you know, or ETH guys, uh, um, and, and the, the first time I heard about NFTs was at this convention convention that I produced in, in Vegas.
And it was really, you know, NFTs were not very sexy then, not at all.
And, uh, but it was very intriguing.
And, uh, a few other friends that were really getting into it kind of, uh, nursed me along the way.
And so I was fortunate to be kind of early in on all that.
And, uh, that's where, uh, I, in the back of my mind, I had all these things rattling around.
Then when the pandemic hit, oh, the one last thing I invested in a, in a music club in Newport beach in, uh, 2016.
And it was, uh, at that point, just a casual investor who kind of would, I'd, I'd recommend musicians to come in and play and, and, uh, help raise the bar and what was happening on that stage.
It's just a small club restaurant bar has a great food, Cajun Creole food.
And so I was sitting there March, 2020, when the pandemic hit hard, fell hard.
And we got an announcement that, Hey, they're sending all these restaurants, all these, everything down.
And so I just made kind of a spontaneous, uh, decision, pretty impulsive.
I said, okay, we're going to start.
I know, I don't know anything about a restaurant.
I know a lot about entertainment.
I know how to make shows.
And so I thought we're going to start producing a show.
So we started producing a jazz show called, uh, steamers jazz at Jack's with, uh, just featuring jazz musicians that we are part of our circle.
And we did it remotely.
Um, I did it from my kitchen table and we just had guests from all over the country and eventually all over the world every Sunday night.
And then we'd, we'd, you know, produce TV style, all the features, segments, things like that.
So we started doing that and we were able to go.
So they, they let us go outside, have live performances in June of 2020.
And, uh, I just, we doubled down on that, got a Coachella tent, put it in our parking lot.
And we just started doing live music out in the parking lot in this tent.
We were fortunate QSC who sponsored our, our indoor stage all along.
They're right down the street from us.
So they, they sponsored our outdoor stage.
So we had a great sound system out there.
And, uh, over the, from there, the rest was kind of history where we just, uh, became what
I call the birthplace of crypto jazz.
And, and the artists are, our community of musicians is about 300 or so that would, that
would, uh, say that they love playing here, uh, over the course of a year.
And we live streamed now over, you know, nearly 600 shows from that stage.
And we started minting, uh, NFTs, uh, back in, uh, late 2020.
And, uh, one thing leads to another.
Now we've been in what, in what I call the laboratory of, uh, of crypto jazz, making NFTs
and launched a label called MetaJax.
And we were fortunate to do, uh, one of our first projects with, was with, uh, the great
jazz trumpeter, Arturo Sandoval.
And we got a Grammy nomination this, uh, past year in 2023 for that.
Didn't win, but which would have been cool, but we are still at this point, the only, uh,
the only album to receive a Grammy nomination, uh, that, that is an NFT album, uh, as being.
That is such an accolade.
I love that.
So there you go.
That's it.
That is absolutely incredible.
And what a testament to the music industry you really are.
Um, and what an absolute privilege that you've joined us tonight.
And that is an incredible journey.
And, you know, I've never felt so much hope in my soul listening to someone have this,
perspective of the music industry and the level of love you clearly have for the art
and the artists and the history.
I think that that's absolutely remarkable.
And it's a pleasure to, uh, you know, to get to know you, Tim.
It's great to be here with you guys.
So super nice to meet you.
It's awesome.
Are you, are you on the West coast?
Yeah.
Newport beach campus.
Jack's is our club.
Uh, I now have meta jacks is an equal space office right next door with production in
there.
Uh, so yeah, we're down Newport beach.
Amazing.
I love Newport.
I'm, I'm, I'm up here in LA, so we, we have to link in real life at some point.
That'd be awesome.
Yeah.
I was just in Santa Monica this morning.
Had to renew my passport.
Nice.
That's exactly what this is all about.
And that would be absolutely incredible to see you two in the same room and Cleajan,
you playing in that amazing jazz bar.
Um, you know,
I thought it was what didn't happen.
Yeah, exactly.
If you don't see it.
I'm pretty sure Cleajan could probably just, uh, bring his axe down and sit with about any
of the bands that, that, uh, that play here on a Thursday night and just be right at home.
If any of you guys who want to check something cool out, go to, go to our YouTube
channel from last night where we did a, uh, a, uh, a broadcast of, uh, Tawanda who really
her whole career started right here at our club during the pandemic.
And now she's gone on to win, uh, the, uh, Sarah Vaughn international jazz vocal competition.
And she's getting great reviews in New York and all over, but it was, it was, uh, Tawanda
and then, uh, my, our good friend rapper, uh, old school, uh, Kane Mayfield, uh, together.
So if you go to our YouTube channel and watch that from last night, it's, it's pretty cool.
But that was, I think, uh, Clayson, that you'd be kind of, uh, inspired by that.
Yeah, I'm definitely checking that out.
And, and one of my act, one of my skills is I can play pretty much to any song on the
spot.
So like, that sounds perfect for me.
I'd love to come and sit in and, and play some music for y'all.
We gotta, let's make this happen and then send some videos to, to the community to show
them what they did.
Cause that sounds so cool.
Yeah.
Do you, do you happen to know, do you know, Janet Jacoby?
She's our cousin.
Janet, she's a, she's a violin fiddle player.
She sees a place for Rod Stewart has for like the last 12 years or something like that.
Anyway.
No, so cool.
I posted that video by the way of, uh, Tawanda last night down in the Jumbatron.
Jumbatron, if you want to pin it up, Rev or anyone.
Oh, cool.
Yeah.
I'll pin that right away.
That's why essentially I was just like, man, when we, I knew we were having Clay John on.
And then when I was looking through his profile, I was like, this dude's right down the street
pretty much from meta Jackson.
Like we have to have Tim on this.
Cause you know, I, I was finagling in the background, trying to figure out how I'm going
to get him up here to Washington.
And I'm like, I don't have to go through all that.
I can just get him to play over at Meta Jacks, you know, but.
Yes.
I'm so glad to get you guys together.
Yeah.
I love it.
Yeah.
That is incredible.
And you know, like you guys, it's amazing to, you know, see people who generally have
a, a passion for something that, that people can really enjoy from many different perspectives.
You know, the fact that you guys play your part in people getting to experience music
in real time is just absolutely magical.
Like, thanks to, to Mike, I was able to see some of the streams that you do at the, at
the jazz club, Tim, and they're absolutely phenomenal.
And, you know, it's one of those kinds of events that, you know, you don't even have
to particularly share the passion for that type of music, but it's just the entire vibe.
It's just something that you just have to experience for yourself.
And I think that, you know, the entire, you know, the entire ambiance, if you will, is
just such a great, great put together event every single time.
Yeah.
And I think, you know, we get kind of detached from live music, from real music.
And I think there's going to be a premium on live music going into the future because
we're all going to be able to prompt, uh, any kind of music we want on command.
And so when, in a world like that, that means what will be special and valuable will be live
music performed by live musicians talking to each other at an exceptional level.
I'm not talking about mediocrity here, you know, I'm talking about that, which is exceptional.
Then your palate, just like, uh, you know, I mean, my kids, they're all, you know, Gen
Z and millennials and they're foodies.
They, they know what great food is.
I mean, they're, I'm now a bar owner and they know craft, uh, cocktails better than I
Uh, you know, they, uh, they care about little things, details.
They want fewer, finer things.
And, uh, I think what that means in the future is that the same young generations are going to,
uh, develop a palette for great music, fine music, that which only incredibly gifted humans
can create together.
Now doesn't mean I'm not against, I'm not against AI music at all.
In fact, I think it'd be cool to have a bot, you know, in a trio and just see what the other
players do with that thing.
Right.
I think that would be fantastic, but it'll never replace these, this, these music primitives
having conversations with each other.
Cause that's very human.
Um, yeah, I completely agree with that.
I think that would be a great experience.
Um, and I was going to ask as well, uh, Zach, um, you know, as a, as a, a live performer
and a musician, like, you know, what is your perspective of Tim's perspective of the industry
and knowing that he's got a venue that you can go and play live music at, that must be
great to hear someone have that passion and foresight on the entire industry and also really
hold a high value in high regard for the, you know, the history of the industry.
Yeah, it's, it's refreshing.
It's super, it's super refreshing.
And like you said, it gives me hope.
It gives me a lot of hope, man.
And we need more people.
We need more people like that, uh, valuing the music like that.
And I loved, I love the point of, uh, just valuing live music.
Cause it's crazy.
It's true.
Like we're going to be able to prompt any type of music with, with words and like hear
anything we want like that.
So I, I do, I do hope that you're right.
And I do think you are right that, that it's going to be, um, a bigger value on, on live
really, really high quality music.
And, um, it's amazing.
You've got a space like, well, that's just, that's, that's, it's a beautiful thing.
And, um, I, I'm coming, even if I don't play there, I'm going to come check it out.
I mean, you're, you're like an hour drive away from me, so, um, I'm, I'm, I'm on the
way.
It's super dope.
Yeah.
It's not that far.
I have to go to LA all the time.
So I know it's, uh, it's not that far at all.
And it's a nice getaway down here.
So love to have you just give me a heads up.
Yeah, I will.
I will.
I have a best friend who actually lives in Newport, so I'm a, it's an easy excuse to come
see him and, uh, go see some amazing music.
Um, I will, I will be hitting you up.
Let's go, love it.
Yeah, definitely.
And, uh, and what a great shout as well, Mike, because, you know, once we was talking
to, uh, Zach, AKA Cleajam, straight away, Mike, we're like, we've got to get Tim on.
You know, these guys will definitely, you know, vibe with each other's passion for the, for
the music and the industry.
And, you know, you're both clearly, you know, hyper successful in what you do.
And it's, it's brilliant and very refreshing to see the creative ways in which you guys utilize
your skill sets and you don't just home in on the very craft that you're good at.
You've really integrated every other avenue possible to really make it, um, a collaboration
of, of, of passions from every aspect of the industry.
And I think that's one of the things that I personally find really motivating about what
you guys do is the way that like you, Cleajam, you know, the way you utilize the content creation
side and the, the, you know, the way that your, your live events are just incredible to watch
with the way that you interact with the audience, the way you interact with the people that you're
performing with and, and the event, the events that you put on, uh, Tim at the, at the jazz
club, you know, just the way that the, that the artists are on stage, it's like almost like
going back in time to when, when jazz was like first being played.
It was just such a, a really interesting experience from, to see both of those things play out the
way that they did.
I just thought it was really, really well put together from both people.
You can say that you're more clearly professions of what you do.
Yeah.
I say the stage is, uh, it's holy ground.
It's a sacred space.
And the idea is that we, as a venue create a space where, uh, with, without restriction, uh, that's
without obstacle with it, that make it easy for incredible musicians to have those conversations.
And like I would say, like, be like Gretzky and just leave it all on the ice, you know?
And that makes for, uh, for an experience that is a one of one, it'll never happen again
like that.
Love that.
Love that.
I got a, I got a lot of, uh, my community down in, in OC as well.
So when I come play, I'm going to hit them all up and bring some new people to the venue.
Hopefully.
Maybe they've already heard of it.
Probably have, but I'm bringing a squad.
Um, yeah, we've got to make this happen.
We'll, we'll make this huge.
This will be incredible.
And we'll obviously all show support on the social media side.
Um, and you know, we could definitely stream that and what a phenomenal collaboration that
will be, you know, how, how exciting that is.
You know, we're definitely super excited about that.
Um, so yeah, I just wanted to, um, dive into, uh, your story a little bit as well, Zach,
um, because it was really interesting that you said that, you know, violin wasn't really
your vibe at the beginning.
And then that, that changed for you part of the way down your journey.
Um, and that must've been a really interesting time for you to say that the way that you utilize
that instrument now, you know, it's become like a piece of who you are and you know, the
way that you perform with it is just really changed my perspective of the instrument myself.
Cause the perspective that I had a violin was just a slow playing instrument that was played
in certain scenarios.
But when watching you play it, you know, you was, you was entertaining from start to finish
because of the way that you utilize the instrument.
And like you said, you know, you, you're able to play any song on the spot in different situations.
I just thought that that was a really brilliant, how you've sort of become at one with your
instrument.
So I was just interested to see, you know, how that, how that changed.
And, you know, when it was that, that, that switched in your mind and you realize that,
you know, this can really become a piece of who I am and I'm going to take it to the next
level.
Yeah.
Great, great question.
Um, so, uh, it really, it really, like I, I really did run away from the violin.
Like I, I quit the second I had free will.
The second my mom was just like, okay, I give up trying to force you.
You hate this.
Go do whatever you want.
I quit, quit, quit, quit.
And I did not look back for like six years.
I quit from like 16 to when I graduated college.
Um, and I'm, I'm out in LA and I'm kind of like the, the, even when I was trying to rap
in high school, like the dream, like people will always be like, why don't you try to
rap and violin?
Uh, cause my friends knew I played violin and saw me rapping and stuff.
I was like, yeah, maybe, maybe someday.
Um, so when I go out of college, you know, you're trying to just like figure out what you're
good at, figure out like how you're placed in the world, what, what you want to do and
everything.
And I did feel a piece of me was missing, um, since I put the violin down early, even
if it was just music, I felt like it was missing.
So, uh, you know, I just saw my, my free time at nights after work, I would just pick
it up and I started playing to music that I liked for the first time in my life.
Um, it wasn't, you know, train Beethoven to perform this recital and you've got to do it
really well or else you're going to be in trouble.
It was just me and my violin and playing to Drake and playing to hip hop and music that
I was like interested in.
And I found that I just like liked it and I put a video on social media and then I, my
friends and followers liked it.
And I was like, okay, this is interesting.
Um, and then I started just kind of diving more into it and writing like my own remixes
to popular songs or just like finding ways to like, the thing about the violin is that
it's so versatile it's, and also another fun fact is, is it is, and cellos will fight
me on this, but it is the, um, most like frequency to the human voice.
The musical frequency of a violin is most like the human voice.
And that is a big reason why people resonate so much with the violin and with other string
instruments.
Um, but to your, to your point of people thinking it's a slow, you know, kind of, you
know, classical instrument, it's traditionally is.
And, but the thing with it is, is because it's like the human voice, um, it's so versatile.
It's so versatile.
It can, it can really be plugged in in so many different ways to so many different types of
music.
And I started learning that just for the first time in my life, just because I was, I
was allowed to explore on my own.
And, and the thing is that here's the thing too, like I was like, I was allowed to do
that technically when I was growing up too.
I just didn't think that perspective, like it was a great lesson in perspective because
I was just like, you know, screw this instrument.
I don't want to play Beethoven.
I like Eminem.
Like, but if I had thought like, why don't you play violin to Eminem, you know, and started
doing more of that, it might've been a different journey for me, but, but just, just, I don't
know, I, maybe I needed to grow up and kind of just like take a step back for a second
to, to, to see that that was a possibility and just diving more into it and playing more
music that I loved.
I just realized that, and I realized that I, I, I have this skill.
I had the skill that was, came from, you know, years and years and years of rigorous,
rigorous training.
And that's, and from there it was just like, okay, like, I feel like I can at least do
something with the violin.
And then, you know, the vocals came in.
That was just like, I just wanted to be different because I'd seen, you know, violinists played
all types of different music and that's amazing.
And it's been done before, but you know, I, you just, in creative pursuits, it's always
a good idea to try to find your own twist on things.
Right.
So that's for me was bringing in those vocals and, and now it's just the, the violin is
just propelled that because that was my true passion growing up is, is rapping.
That was like my, what lit my soul on fire first in my life.
So the violin, you know, became a tool to, to be able to do that.
And you're right.
It has become an absolute piece of me.
It's, it's like breathing to me and it's, uh, I'm so thankful for it now.
I'm so thankful for it.
And I have so much, such a measured respect for the instrument.
And, um, thank you for coming to a Tik TOK live.
He's for anyone who doesn't know the context, he's, he's been coming.
I go, I live stream on Tik TOK almost every day.
And, um, you know, we're, we're playing originals.
Uh, we are taking requests.
That's why it's, it's such a fun and entertaining thing.
It's because, you know, I can play to any song.
So whatever we can have, I can be playing metal one second to country, the second to
EDM and we're just rocking out.
And, uh, it's, it's just, it's such a beautiful instrument.
Uh, and, uh, great question, man.
I'm so glad to, uh, just, uh, hear you meet you, uh, collision Zach.
Uh, you know, do you know Christian house violinist?
Do you know him?
I don't.
Yeah.
Cause I, I'll tell you, because I mean, people on this call probably know that on this space
probably know this, but I mean, violin is no joke and it is the voice of the orchestra.
It's the voice wherever, wherever there's a violin, it is the voice of that group, that
ensemble, that band, whatever.
And if, if you can, if you're a real violinist as you are, um, I mean, you can, music is literally
under your fingers.
I mean, being, if you can play violin, then, you know, intonation, you're never out of
tune.
You know what the, you know, the difference.
I mean, so huge respect for, uh, for any violinist at that level.
Thank you, my friend.
Huge respect to you too, man.
Thank you for everything you're doing for, for music and for musicians.
And, uh, it's awesome that we're able to bring this into web three too, because that
is the future.
That's why we are here.
And, and web three needs music, just like music needs web three.
And music needs you guys.
And that is a very important point.
Um, and I love the appreciation you guys share for each other.
It just shows that you're obviously in the industry for the right reasons.
And that was why I was, um, I was asking you about, you know, when it switched, switched
in your perspective, um, Zach, because, you know, it, it was, it was, it was clear from,
you know, the way you portrayed your story, um, which just looked very genuine, which is
why I knew the question would make sense is because, you know, you could see that, you
know, once you started to look at how, cause music is a form of self-expression, isn't
And you, when you started to express yourself through the instruments that you'd learned
was when you really found your feet with your instrument and realize that, you know,
this doesn't have to be played the standard way that I was taught that I could, I could
do something with this rather than this being something I do something.
And then once you, you know, found your feet with that, you then, you know, came back
to your original passion, which was rap music and then integrated the two.
And then that was when you found who you was as an artist.
And then, you know, Clay Jen was born and then that's where your vibe came to life.
And then that was when you, obviously the confidence in how you decided to move forward
with the direction you're taking music personally really came to life.
And you can see that that's clearly what people experienced through your content, which
is why I just feel that your content comes so naturally is because the whole process was
a natural process you had to go through to get to where you are today.
And I just think that that's an absolute beautiful story.
And I'm really honestly appreciative that you're sharing that with us today.
Yeah, thank you for giving me the space.
And I want to say that I'm glad you feel like the content comes naturally, but it has been
a journey.
I mean, I, my first, you know, content is hard.
Content is hard.
It is not like making music.
It is a, it is a completely different thing.
So, like, I definitely had the learning curve, like, and I'm still learning.
Like, I'm still, I'm still perfecting my content, but I'm glad it's coming off as, as natural.
And, um, yeah, if anyone ever needs content tips, hit me up because, uh, it's definitely,
it's definitely its own, its own thing for sure.
Yeah, well, it'd be boring if it was, uh, if it was easy, right?
And, uh, I think that it's, it's great that through doing what you're doing, you've learned
new skills and that's something that I think everyone goes through as well, don't they?
You know, especially when you want to, when you want to master a craft, there's many things
that you've got to learn outside of what it is that you actually do to, you know, be the
full package and, you know, being the performer that you are, you've obviously, you know, learned
how to provide the full experience and, you know, it's, it's, that's clear in your music
really.
Thank you, friend.
No problem.
Um, yeah, I was going to, um, ask you as well, Tim, um, you know, like, are you able
to just give us, um, uh, some history behind the, um, the, the jazz club, you know, and,
and how you became to, you know, acquire your own club and, you know, how you breathe life
into this club, because, you know, this isn't just any ordinary jazz club.
There's, there's a lot of, um, there's a lot of magic behind this.
So I'd love for you to just, uh, you know, unpack that for us if you wouldn't mind.
Yeah, well, it was completely accidental.
Um, mostly just, uh, a friend who had picked up the music venue and, uh, uh, he picked, he
picked, he picked up the lease in late 2015, opened in 2016 and, uh, uh, quickly discovered
that, wow, do it, having a, the music side is its own thing.
And, uh, so, and he, and he also, uh, spent all his capital on the remodel, so needed some
help.
So, uh, came in, uh, as an investor to keep it going.
And, you know, with the idea that, oh, I would also give some, some tips on getting talent,
uh, on the stage, getting talent down there.
And, uh, and so that's what I was doing.
And then on a, you know, maybe a couple of nights a week, roll in, get something to eat
and drink and watch some friends play.
Right.
So that's the way it went up until the pandemic.
And then, like I said, on that pandemic, uh, March 20, it's very, I see it clearly have
a little bit of PTSD about it in fact, but, uh, you know, that was when it all kind of
turned and just, I went all in and tried to merge my worlds, which is also why I, I opened
the office.
Um, I, I kind of took everything I do now and rolled it into the space next door to
the club and, and, and really, and it's just part of the journey.
Cause what eventually what I would like to see is a Dow owned jazz club, uh, in the new
space, which is the same size as the old space and take the old space and have it continue
to be, cause really it's a flex club.
Now it's a, it's all jazz on Thursdays and most Sundays, incredible jazz musicians, uh,
from mostly coming from LA, but some come from New York and all around.
And of course, orange County has a handful as well.
Um, uh, but, but, you know, I think the, the, the performers musicians we've had on our
stage in the last, what, three years are represent well over 150 Grammys.
That's for sure.
Um, but, but that whole scene, uh, on, uh, you know, jazz is not easy.
It's not an easy thing to support either.
Cause it's a, you know, it takes a global audience to really support jazz.
And so that's one reason why it's great to be in the metaverse, but, uh, on Fridays and
Saturdays where we, we, we have, you know, some of the best, uh, dance bands, R and B bands.
Uh, it's, it's basically, it's a dance room or a tribute bands.
We've got tribute bands like tonight, we've got a great Linda Ronstadt, it's called Ronstadt
Revival.
So that's, what's going on tonight.
Uh, so Fridays and Saturdays, that's kind of what happens Tuesdays.
Now here's something that's, you know, I'll give you a little alpha that we're going to
get way into it next year, but we've been growing for the last several years, this singer
songwriter nights curated for emphasis on kind of a Nashville style, singer songwriters,
uh, either, either guitar, you know, uh, or a piano and looking for great songs and
encourage songwriters that way.
And we're next year, we're going to add prizes and have, and tokenize it.
So it'll be, uh, working on a, uh, uh, quadratic voting, uh, on a, on a, with a mobile app that,
uh, can distribute tokens.
So that's, will be kind of interesting.
And Wednesday nights is usually just, uh, more of a classic rock type of vibe.
We've got, there's no cover on Tuesdays and Wednesdays and then take the Thursdays, jazz
Fridays and Saturdays and Sundays are all ticketed.
So it's a flex stage, but it's a great room, best sounding room, um, of this size or smaller
anywhere in the world.
I would, that's not a recording studio.
We've worked really hard to have a great sounding room and QSC has been a tremendous
help, but the real goal is to take the space next door and make it a full-time jazz club.
Um, that's Dow owned.
I mean, that's the long-term vision here, but these things take time.
I mean, I don't know about you guys, but I mean, the bear market has been awesome because
you could just kind of put your head down and build stuff, make stuff and experiment.
It's like big laboratory and these types of things.
These are 10 and 15 year journeys.
I mean, fortunately, some of the guys I've fallen into, and I say guys, you know, generically
like that's guys and, you know, male and female, uh, that, uh, have incredible skills, a lot
of them LA based, but from all over the world now in this business, as we're experimenting
on protocols and on, uh, tagging systems and how do we decentralize and, and really take
back ownership and disintermediate, uh, the larger, you know, whether it's tech platforms
or big music plat platforms, how do we just intermediate that, put it back in the hands
of the creators and, uh, and, and do that, uh, you know, in an intelligent, well thought
out way.
And now we've got some minds in this, in this circle that have the, the, the devs at such
a high level.
Now they're taking a passion to this cause.
And I can talk about that later too, but anyway, it's pretty exciting to be a part of these
things.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, it's, it's really exciting.
Um, and I was going to, um, ask you as well, um, you know, what was, what was your most exciting
point about AI being integrated with music, you know, because you said it's obviously a
great tool, but what, what would you say you found was best useful utilizing AI in the production
of music?
Well, in the production of music, I say it's most exciting as a consumer tool, right?
In the same way that, uh, you know, now you can basically listen to anything, uh, anywhere
you are, well, now you'd be able to speak and create anything you want of most any style
and any, you know, it'll be, it, it's, it, in my opinion, it will never have the magic
of a live human experience because that there's, there's so much more going on when, when humans,
you know, as good as a conversation with a robot across the kitchen table might be for
breakfast, you know, uh, that maybe that's inspiring for some or better, but I can never,
in my opinion, match actually seeing eye to eye with somebody who's flesh and blood like
you are and either breaking something down, maybe it's painful or maybe it's joyful.
That's, that, that level is hard to put in a machine.
Yeah, I can imagine that it is.
Um, absolutely.
Um, Zach, you know, have you had a fair experience utilizing, um, AI as well?
And if so, what would you think is the, uh, most useful way you've found to utilize an AI?
Yeah, it's a good question.
I, I think it's not where it needs to be yet as far as like the production goes.
Like, it's definitely a cool, it's cool right now.
It's just like, oh, that's, that's cool.
Like I've, I've seen some apps like Ripple that's actually owned by TikTok, um, that you
can, yeah, like have AI write you a production, like a beat, uh, of a song.
It can give you, it can give you something, but nothing I've seen, um, has impressed me.
Nothing I've seen is, is I think where it needs to be yet.
Um, I do think it will be there at some point and, and that, at that point it'll be more
helpful and more interesting because I can be like, okay, here's 60 of my songs, you know,
make, make me 10 more just like it make, and then I can just fill in like my own lyrics
and stuff and that'll save time.
That'll inspire, you know, I think, I think that is where it's, where it's heading and
that's going to be really cool.
Um, as far as, as helping now, it's, it's, I think it has helped me write some lyrics.
I think if I get stuck on like, uh, writing, I can, I can talk to an AI and kind of like
flesh out some ideas and, and have it give me some insight into some rhyme schemes or something
like that.
Um, as far as like the production, I don't think it's there yet.
Uh, but I think it will be, and I think it will be very cool when it is because I think
it will inspire, um, new musicians and, and, uh, mature musicians alike that, uh, to, to,
uh, to keep making art in, in a new way.
So I think it's going to be helpful.
I hope it doesn't, uh, devalue, uh, the production process because that is a beautiful process
in itself.
But, um, yeah, I'm so curious to see.
We'll see.
Yeah.
I think it's, I agree.
It's not there now, but I'm talking, I'm kind of future speaking here, but yeah, I think
it'll be a challenge to producers because it'll, it'll be able to disintermediate a lot of that
work, you know?
So I think it's going to, it's going to really, uh, throw out, uh, a defining line between
the creative process and the craft itself.
A lot of the, uh, a lot of the craft side of, of things can be done by a machine, but the
creative side is going to be hard, uh, to be as flexible as, as, as the human and to be as
responsive, uh, especially if, when so much creativity is born out of moments, it's born
out of that time when you wake up and it's like, man, what was just in your head is what
were you dreaming about?
Those types of things.
Well, and the, the, the, the emotional and the, and the, the, the empath side of things,
that's going to be, that's going to be hard.
But I think that the, for me, there's other parts where AI comes into play.
And some of the things that we're working on is, um, for example, uh, right now, uh,
I see a world in the future where there's a Shazam like, uh, uh, AI, uh, global ear,
let's call it.
That's listening on behalf of all of us.
And that's no, that's hearing what's happening wherever in the terrestrial world, in the real
world.
And, you know, Shazam, you know, now what is that?
I think it's part of the Apple ecosystem, right?
So, so whenever you Shazam, something like takes you to the Apple store to, uh, to, to,
to buy what you're hearing.
But I think that there's going to be a better decentralized engine that is listening on behalf
of all of us and letting us know what's, where our music's at and, and, uh, and get rewarded
for it or, or the compensation will go to the creators or those that are, that are identified
as being part of the, uh, lineage or the genealogy of that.
And I think it's going to no longer be the, be the song because right now, I mean, think
about how crazy that is that the fundamental, uh, economic, uh, block of music is still a
song, right?
A song is a pretty big chunk of real estate, you know, it's like saying, Oh, you know, how
are we going to value this property?
I don't know, but it's, it's, uh, it's, it's Los Angeles.
So I guess Los Angeles is worth something, you know, no, no, I mean, we're talking, you
can, we can, we can, now we can fractionalize single properties.
Well, I think music's going to be that way too.
We're going to be able to break it down to smaller bits, smaller pieces, and that the
creative part of it too, there won't be these lawsuits like they are now like, Oh, no, I
thought of that first, or I heard that, or you took that from this person, whatever.
No, in a fractional kind of world that has, uh, where the AIs are able to differentiate
what, where music's coming from and where it started.
And, and, and in a sense, go back, reverse engineer and say, where did this really begin?
Hey, you know what, guess what?
Everybody along that trail can be compensated because right now, whatever, whatever idea
Zach is having right now where he's at in LA, there's probably another fiddle player
somewhere over, you know, in the, who knows in the, in Europe someplace or in the, in Asia
having a very similar idea, Hey, why should they not be able to both be compensated for
that great idea?
Right.
I mean, I think we have to think about these things differently now.
What a mind blowing concept that really is.
That is an incredible concept.
I'd like to take credit for it, but I'm part of a circle.
That's at least, uh, about 15 people strong.
That's just, this is where we're at.
And this is, these are the things that these guys, I'm no dev where there's real devs kind
of, uh, wrestling and working on these, solving these kinds of problems.
I would call it like blockchain next, what these guys are, are working on the thinking
about it's, it's, it's pretty cool.
We've, we've got a friend in our ecosystem, uh, Mr. Tommy Danvers.
Um, he's got, uh, an NFT, um, kind of platform where he kind of, he kind of gives the artist
tech, um, to be able to do what they need to do to release music and run the size it
and all that other cool stuff.
Um, have you, what have, what have you come across like some other interesting platforms
that you've might have released music on or would be looking to release music on in the
future?
Is that to me or Zach?
Oh, it's to Zach.
Say the question again.
Have I found platforms that I want to release music on in the future in, in web three?
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Um, I mean, sound, sound XYZ is where I've been releasing my music NFTs.
Oh, and I, I like them so far.
Um, I haven't seen much else that excites me too much, but I need to do, I, I haven't
spent enough time doing research into what's out there, but I do like sound.
Yeah, I think that, you know, tool, tools that are being made available will, you know,
very much help with that type of thing, you know, and I think that sort of touches on what
you were saying, doesn't it, Tim?
You know, having, having that, that ear that can sort of pick up on these things and, you
know, maybe give you the, uh, information or the, uh, you know, get, you know, bundle the
research together that you need to look into to sort of, you know, go down these musical
rabbit holes that help with creativity.
I think it would help us in that, you know, cause right now it's a lot of work to, uh,
just create the metadata that you have to have to create for every song.
I mean, to, for all the licensing, there's so many different organizations, agency, and
compensation is, it's fixed in some jurisdictions in some areas and then it's, it's negotiated
in other, I mean, it's really a mess right now and it's only, you know, getting more and
more complex, but I think the future will, uh, the AIs will help us simplify that.
They'll help us track all that.
You know, the, the YouTube algo is pretty good now as far as being able to identify songs,
right?
Cause it used to be, it could only identify a, an actual sample of a, of a master recording.
So it would say, oh, it's that song from this recording.
Now it can actually identify melodies, right?
That's pretty cool.
It's, it's identify things at a more granular level, but the problem is that's YouTube.
You know, we don't want YouTube owning all this stuff.
No, it needs to be a decentralized tool.
I prefer to think in terms of tools as opposed to platforms.
Platforms tend to own you, tools empower you and, and, and tools are something that you
might, it might require a little skill to learn how to use a certain tool, but, uh, it should
be useful in the hands of whoever's hands it in.
Right.
So, so those are the kind of, that's kind of the way we're thinking about these more,
more at a protocol kind of level.
So it's, it can be, uh, you know, open source and it can be useful on any kind of platform
because, you know, the big platforms aren't going to go away, but there will certainly
be diffused if we can find ways to, uh, extract value out of their ecosystem into the hands
of creators.
Yeah, absolutely.
And what a great point as well, you know, tools, because that is absolutely right.
You know, platforms do, do have that sort of, you know, feel to it and tools are something
that you utilize to, you know, better home in on your craft.
So, yeah, I think that would be brilliant.
And yeah, I think that is, you know, it does seem to be a big problem with the industry is
huge platforms like YouTube having so much sway on an industry.
It does take away a lot of the freedom of, of how music could be utilized and owned and
enjoyed.
And I think pulling that back into the hands of the people that create it, I think has
to be the only way it needs to go in my opinion.
So, yeah, no, well said there, Tim.
Yeah, we have to keep on creating content and keep on pushing out each other's stuff.
For example, we've got a lot of people in this room, but we've only got like 10 retweets.
Everyone get down there, retweet the room, maybe tag a friend and, uh, yeah, let's go.
Let's grow.
This is an awesome conversation.
We've got some awesome projects here, so let's share it out.
Yeah, well said, buddy.
Well said, definitely.
Um, so what is coming up in the near future at your, uh, jazz club, uh, Tim?
Have you got any up and coming events that you're really excited about?
Is there any artists that you're, that you're currently working with that you're able to
talk to us about, or is that, um, a bit too much alpha?
Oh, no.
I mean, to me, every Thursday night is a major event and with, with incredible talent.
Um, and so a lot of energy goes into what happens on those Thursday nights and in it coming
up, you know, for it's holiday season in December.
So we've got, oh man, I don't know, so many holiday shows that, uh, I couldn't even begin
to think what they all are, but we've got some, we got some really cool things going on.
We just had Paul Jackson Jr.
Was here on Thursday night.
That was an awesome night.
If you're familiar with him, I mean, you know, guitarists on like all those Quincy Jones,
Michael, uh, Michael Jackson, uh, projects and stuff back in the day.
And still, uh, we've got, uh, Nathan East is coming up.
He's going to be playing with, actually with his son, who's a, who's a, who's a great artist
as well.
But Nathan East is probably, is the most recorded bass player, uh, in history.
If you, I'm sure you've all listened to lots of records he's played, played on, um, what
it was, we're working on, uh, we're looking at having Sheila E is going to be here in the
late spring.
Um, so some, some cool acts like that coming in, of course, Arturo, we'll have Arturo here,
uh, in the, uh, late spring as well.
Uh, so, so we're always working on that kind of thing.
And then we've got some big, cool stuff we're working on for our fourth annual crypto jazz
festival, which I, I think is going to look looking at toward the end of September where
we'll have, uh, it'll be, uh, definitely the biggest deal we've ever done yet in that
capacity.
So we're looking at a pretty interesting, uh, large weekend, uh, thing.
It'll be, it, it, it, it'll have some of the acts that would merit, you know, those kind
of, uh, that kind of, the kind of thing we're looking at.
Um, it'll be a big deal.
Yeah, it definitely sounds like it as well.
That's really exciting.
Um, and earlier on, you mentioned the, uh, the metaverse as well.
So you guys utilize the metaverse.
Yeah.
So every, every Thursday night you can, you can check out our shows, uh, not only on the
token smart discord, uh, which is those guys have been fantastic community to be a part
And, uh, and, um, I'll be at Rizzle Fest again, which I think is going to be in April.
If it's, I don't know if it's dates been named yet, but with Rizzle, Rizzle's just part
of our community, real hero.
The whole token smart crowd is those guys are fantastic.
Been a part of that since 2020, um, as well.
And, uh, so on discord, we're in that, they're, we're in that discord every Thursday night.
And then also, uh, shows you can catch them in, uh, voxels or crypto voxels in NFT music
hall, uh, uh, and in hyper fi in the, uh, third planet studio.
Uh, uh, they're billed in hyper fi and over the course, you know, over the years, we've
also done special things in, uh, whether it's the central land or used to be spatial, not
much spatial anymore.
Uh, the, the, the thing about it in working with some folks, kind of, uh, a couple of
different dev circle, but the, it'll come to life.
And here's where another thing where I think AI is going to really help and it's going to
help, you know, for artists to be able to have more, uh, up close and personal contact
with fans and it, and it'll happen in the metaverse.
And it'll go something like this where, uh, I've got a, you know, let's say I'm a, I'm a
performer and I've got a great avatar and in my avatar may or may not look like me.
It's up to me.
Maybe it's like, maybe it's like a digital twin, but, or maybe it's, you know, uh, you
know, an avocado seems to be popular right now.
Maybe it's, maybe it's something like that, but you'll, you'll know, it's me, you'll, you'll
know what's, you'll know this me because, Oh, that's the music.
But instead of just watching me play on a video stream into a stage on a screen in a
stage in a build where my avatar is watching the screen on the stage better.
If, if I, if somehow using LIDAR and, uh, uh, you know, more of a, I think, I think it's
the, the photo image technology like LIDAR, that'll be the, what'll really happen.
But to be able to put my avatar, to animate my avatar, rig my avatar on a, on a stage in
a build.
And then, uh, when the show's over, my avatar can still hang out and, uh, with my AI, uh,
have great conversations with whoever's hanging in the room.
And, and instead of being like on a stage far away, then, uh, then what you could do
is you could actually, uh, you know, be right next to me in a build somewhere in, you know,
uh, in a virtual world.
I think that's where AI, my AI knows me so well that it'll have conversations that are
They're me because it knows me.
And, and now why that's, while it's not me, it's sure better than just reading about me
or than just trying to, you know, trolling any social media, you know, threat thread or
chat just to kind of get a little piece of me.
No, man, I'm actually interacting with, with, uh, with the, the closest thing to me, my AI.
And that's incredible to be able to integrate that level of experience with everything that
you've got going on, because, you know, it is brilliant to collide both worlds, you know,
the future of where this industry is going and the way that people can experience it from,
you know, people can be enjoying what your club is, is, is creating and be at the completely
different end of the world.
And I think that's absolutely remarkable.
Um, just really quick, Mike's just, um, pin some stuff at the top.
If everyone could just go and show some love to that, take a look, go and check out these
amazing profiles of these people have been in the industry a really long time.
And as you can hear, these guys have been doing incredible things for, for years.
And, you know, I'm putting all these cool events on for, you know, the longest time.
So definitely go and check up the stuff that's been pinned up at the top and go and show some
love to these guys.
Cause you know, these guys are the real OGs of the industry and that you can clearly see
that, you know, these really care about the music industry, the people involved in the
music industry and how keeping people's music authentic and genuine and making sure that the
right people get the credit for the things that they create.
And I think that it's incredible that you utilize in the, the, this technology to make
sure that, you know, the authenticity and the history is still protected, but the people
can still develop in the industry without having anything taken away from them.
And, you know, making sure that who, the people who create the music that they create get the
full benefits of what it is that they're doing.
I just think that that's an incredible thing that you, that you're integrating there and
to bring all that into the metaverse and have people get to enjoy it in virtual
environments is just absolutely remarkable.
Yeah.
I mean, again, you know, emphasis on this is future, but we all know how quickly time flies.
I mean, who would, who would imagine that we'd be, you know, basically having this conversation
right now, even five years ago using this method.
Right.
So that's why we might as well prepare now.
And mostly it's good to think about it now because what we don't want is to wake up one
morning and, and it's all happening and owned by Facebook.
This needs, this is technology right now.
It's the time to develop it and, and make it open source, make it decentralized and just
juice it up in a, in a very web three decentralized crypto kind of way so that we can all, uh, you
know, participate together in the sandbox.
Yeah, it's a really mind blowing concept, isn't it?
Um, and it's great that, that this is now possible.
Um, but it's also, you know, I think it's, you know, huge credit to the people that are
making these things happen.
Like, you know, a massive credit to, uh, to Mike for the amount of, uh, information
he's provided us on what you guys do and how long you've been doing it for, you know,
the amazing people that have come through, you know, your, your jazz club, you know,
through the metaverse events that you guys have been putting on, you know, and without
him doing that, many people wouldn't have even known about it from, from this community.
So it's amazing that you guys are doing what you're doing.
And there's people that are, you know, like Mike, that have seen the value in it and shared
it with the world.
Well, I mean, Hey, believe me, it's brutal.
It's not easy, but you do it for love, right?
I mean, the ultimate currency in this life, in this world is love.
That is, that is the currency that lasts.
And guess what?
It's abundant.
And, and, and it's not that hard to give out.
And, and so that's, what's funny is because so many of the, uh, what seemed like the rules
of engagement, uh, would be on the other side of this equation.
And because you think somehow there's a substitute, but there is no substitute.
If you really want to want to enjoy your, your heartbeats on this planet, the deal in the
ultimate currency and that's love.
Well said, I couldn't agree more.
And, uh, yeah, it's definitely in abundance.
And I think that is the one language that we all speak.
And it's great that you even have that perspective because it's, it's one that many have, you
know, seem to have forgotten and overlooked.
So it is, it is great that you have that concept for definite.
Well, it's an empty life for them until they find it.
So we're fortunate to be swimming in this pool.
Yeah, absolutely.
And we appreciate you, uh, you, you coming and speaking to us about all of these amazing
things that you've been doing.
And it's great that that's in the core of what you do, because that's what makes these
things live on forever.
And people can experience it for its, in its finer glory because they get to see it transparently,
you know, and in a way that, that it's can only be felt, you know, music can only be
felt, you know, especially if it's so when it's authentic.
So when you, once you've got something authentic and something that's been built for the right
purpose and you get, you know, iconic people like yourself protecting the right aspects of
the industry and the people inside of it, it's, it's an absolute game changer.
Well, if you know the story of Sisyphus, then you understand the, this, the brutal nature
of the journey.
And that's why we all need each other.
And that's why this thing only works in community.
Uh, this is no, this is no place for lone rangers.
It just won't work.
Agreed.
Retweet.
Yeah.
Yeah, definitely.
Well said.
Yeah.
I wanted to mention something, uh, real quick.
I don't mind.
Can y'all hear me?
Yeah.
Loud and clear, buddy.
Awesome.
Yeah.
No, I, I wanted to mention real quick, the, the yeet program, because, you know, with,
with these guys and these platforms being the end result of, you know, the beauty of musicians
being able to do what they want to do and are good at and be able to monetize that.
Um, it's important as we move into the future and we notice things, you know, certain jobs
no longer being available.
And a lot of these entry level positions that a lot of these kids would be moving into, they
no longer, I guess, are going to be obligated in doing these lower level jobs.
And there will be more opportunities for creators to thrive in this new creator economy.
And so, you know, understanding how to grab ahold of the attention of these kids who
are more than likely, you know, going to go into other areas, like maybe drug use and
partying and other things like that.
Cause they don't have a, an outlet.
We're creating these outlets for these kids in some of these high crime areas, starting
with Vancouver, Washington.
And that's kind of why I was thinking, you know, collaborating, getting some of these
people that have big numbers in their social media following to help provide some, some
excitement or motivation to some of these kids that, Hey, if you focus on your dreams and
your goals, you can succeed.
And here's an example, uh, and right now we have 58 kids in this program that we allow
to use, uh, and by, but when I say we, I mean the eat program, which is a lot of different
companies combined, but based out of this gym slash church called the Lord's gym in Vancouver,
Washington.
So essentially we let these kids, uh, use the recording studio at no cost to them between
three and seven 30 every week on weekdays.
Um, and then the other times we, you know, provide it as a service for people who want
to do some recording or whatnot.
And we've collaborated our community of communities with this eat program so that we can integrate
all of the brands that are in our book collaboration project into the, the t-shirt printing business
that resides within the same venue as the recording studio, a boxing club, a full on kitchen, um,
and various other businesses and smack dab in the center is a game room with arcade games
and stuff like that.
So we're trying to bring them in with the fun and the entertainment and the play to earn
engage to earn mechanisms and keep them around by providing them with entrepreneurship opportunities
and, and, uh, access to these, these, uh, programs that would normally cost a ton of money.
So I think that all of these things combined and all of this incredible talent and this,
the heart behind what everyone is doing with meta jacks and, and these various different
other, you know, things we have going on.
I think that we have a great opportunity to be able to onboard our chunk of the world in
a, in a good, solid, trustworthy environment with earning potential.
And we're linked in with Hollywood, uh, producers and professional animators and artists and,
and everyone that you could possibly need to help these kids thrive.
And, um, yeah, I hope that everyone takes a look at meta jacks and Cleajon and, uh, sorry
if I pronounced that incorrectly and the yeet program and just the community of communities.
And just imagine what we're building here in this collaboration.
You know, it's, it's much bigger than anyone could see by looking at one social media, uh,
of one of these platforms.
Cause we're all moving together in one positive direction.
We just, some of us don't know it yet.
Yeah.
Anything I can do to help if I can speak or make a video or anything, I'm, I'm absolutely
there.
Let me know.
I'll reach out to you too, but let me know.
Add the plus.
That's, that's a great way to get started.
There's a whole bunch of guys down there in the audience carrying the plus and on.
Yeah.
But that would absolutely be phenomenal, um, Zach, because, you know, with, with your platform
and the people that also, you know, follow what you do and have followed your story, there's
58 kids that stories are yet to be told and you could play your part in helping those,
those, those kids tell, you know, tell that story.
And, you know, imagine how excited they would be to meet someone like you that's been through
the journey you've been through at the start of their journey.
I mean, I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about it.
You know, I think it's a, an absolute remarkable opportunity to really put back into a young
generation that would never get even looked at twice by the rest of the world.
So we got to do it.
I'm down.
Would love to.
Let's go.
But yeah, no, nice one, Mike, because, you know, the work that you've been doing over
there as well is absolutely phenomenal.
And the way you've been trying to bring people together all this time, you've done such a
phenomenal job of it.
You know, it's come second nature to you.
And, you know, it's people like you guys that just, just get overlooked by, you know,
all the distractions that are in the industry.
And it is important that people do pay attention to movements like this, because that's what
this is, you know, and, you know, you hit the nail on the head.
This is, this is bigger than all of us.
This is a movement that we can all play our part in, in making powerful.
And, you know, everything that needs to be there is there.
We've just got to play our part in bringing it to life and helping, you know, young kids
have these opportunities that could set them up for life.
And we all know from our own actions that the power that one person can have and, you
know, we can empower the younger generations to, you know, really get a fighting chance
in life instead of just being left to, you know, fend for themselves.
So, yeah, no, really, really exciting opportunity that.
And yeah, I'm super looking forward to seeing who gets involved and, you know, the impact
that people could have, because the possibilities are literally endless, especially when you
integrate everyone's skill sets, social media platforms, people's passions, people's,
you know, achievements to date.
And, you know, the collaboration of communities coming together is just an endless possibility
of amazing outcomes.
Yeah, I want to hear some music.
Yes, please.
Let's get it.
All right.
I need like 60 seconds to set up.
So if you want to keep talking.
The party around the freaking campfires is like he can tell everyone's about ready to fall
asleep and just bust out his fiddle.
You guys want to hear some music?
Let's go.
I was hoping for that, though.
I really I really been I've been looking forward to it.
All right.
I'm going to play y'all two songs.
That's cool.
I'll do like one instrumental vibe and then one where I rap and play violin.
OK, let me think.
Y'all choose instrumental songs, either Sapira, which is a shorter like trap hip hop vibes or
Song of Storms, which is Zelda inspired.
And that's more like EDM trap.
Any preferences?
Definitely the first one, I feel.
Yeah, let's get it.
That's my signature.
So let's do that.
Let's see.
I'm just going to test something real quick.
Play.
OK, cool.
All right.
Picking up the old fiddle.
I hear that.
Oh, yeah.
Good.
All right.
All right.
Let's get it.
This one's called Sapira.
It means Snake Charmer.
I wrote this song off the violin lick that you'll hear from the beginning.
When I was first starting in music, I built a studio in my bathtub and I remember playing
this lick and being like, OK, I got to make a song out of that.
And this song was born out of that moment in the tub, the tub studio.
Shout out the tub studio.
This one's called Sapira.
Oh, also, like, I got it.
I guess I have to mention, like, a good part of my music is like the bass.
So it doesn't come off great off the phone, but just imagine some heavy ass bass with the
shit.
Let's go.
Oh, oh, oh, oh.
Oh, oh, oh.
Oh, oh, oh.
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
Hey, that's Constipira.
Woo!
Start playing the next one.
That one's Constipira.
Hey, thank you.
I hope you guys could hear the elements.
I'm just playing it off my head.
Yeah, I mean, you're right.
The bass doesn't really come through.
But I heard some of your tracks earlier on a different device that had a bit of bass.
I was like, oh, that's actually got a real bottom to it.
It was nice.
Yeah, that's the whole, that's the, I just love that, the violin and bass combo.
That's what's rare.
That's what I love doing.
So yeah, I encourage you guys to check it out on other, wherever you listen to music, through
a device, if you will.
But regardless, let's rock one more song.
Let's do, this song's called Look At Me Now.
It is about growth.
And, oh man, is this not going to download right now?
So, one second, let me think.
If anybody hasn't had a chance to see him play on TikTok, it's definitely worth it.
Like, you'd be amazed how quickly he can just switch from genre to genre, just playing epically.
And a smile on his face the whole time.
It's very entertaining.
Thank you, my friend.
All right, I think I found the file I'm looking for.
So let's, let's try this out.
This one's called Look At Me Now.
I grew up with low self-esteem.
It was me and my mama just hustling the trauma.
Hands up if you know what I mean.
I see you, I feel you, I want you to know that you're not alone.
I know what it's like not to have a home.
Like walking barefoot up a gravel road.
The pain gonna make you unstoppable.
Now, audible.
Feel like I live in the end zone.
I'm the one leading the drive.
The crew riding, riding a Benzo.
Red carpets when we arrive.
I'll be in charge of my own fate.
Left the excuses behind.
Now I'm the illest, violentest, alive.
I took the pain and I fly.
I've been looking for now.
I used to crash on the couch.
I got cash in the bank.
Look at me now.
She didn't run me around.
Now she begging me to stay.
Look at me now.
Nobody knew who I was.
Now everyone's screaming my name.
Look at me now.
I couldn't look at myself.
Now I watch through the mirror and say,
Look at me now.
Look at me now.
Look at me now.
Look at me now.
I wonder if I make you proud and follow with dreams.
Like your favorite content creator.
Promise my mama I'll make it.
That woman a queen.
Planted my father been embedded in me since I was a teen.
Michelle and Clay Don.
That's what they say to me now.
What you expect from the boy?
Pop on your feed.
They all want to hate on me now.
Why you disrespecting the boy?
There's just confirmation that I'm a win.
To be getting beat up on violins.
I'll feel like I'm still on the violin.
I try if I fail.
I'ma try again.
No denying it.
I know I was built for this.
I would die.
I would kill for this.
I showed them a thousand times about this life.
I don't know how they still forget.
Who to L.A. on the big seat.
Everything I do is big heat.
Everything I do is misquite.
Making big moves.
Give it this great.
A hundred new connections this week.
Making flicks like I'm Misty.
Odds stacked up against me.
Told them, miss me.
Look at me now.
I used to crash on the couch.
Got cash in the bank.
Look at me now.
She didn't want me around.
Actually begging me to stay.
Look at me now.
Nobody knew who I was.
Now everyone's been in my name.
Look at me now.
I couldn't look at myself.
Now watching the mirror and say,
Look at me now.
Look at me now.
Look at me now.
Look at me now.
Look at me now.
I wonder if I made you proud.
Ooh.
Damn.
Yeah.
Hope y'all can do that fast.
Kolei.
Absolutely incredible.
Great vibe, man.
I love it.
Love it.
Absolutely incredible.
Just, you know,
you can tell that you've got so much passion
in everything you say
and everything you play.
It's phenomenal.
And if anyone wants to see that in action,
like Mike was saying,
it's just the trap violinist on TikTok.
Then it's the right account.
You'll be able to tell
because he's got 815,000 followers
and deservingly so.
Incredible.
Thanks, y'all.
Appreciate it.
I dropped a new project, too,
on Tuesday this week.
I dropped a seven-song EP
of just like instrumental trap vibes.
It's my fourth instrumental project,
so if you guys want to check that out,
it's fresh and new.
Anywhere you listen to music.
I could just imagine 58 kids' minds
being absolutely blown,
seeing that in real time,
being played in a studio.
You can actually go to my TikTok.
You might have to search some keywords,
but I played a career day
at an elementary school
just through virtually,
just through a video.
I made content out of it,
and it's fun.
You can see the kids
just go through this whole journey
in their minds
of looking around
and being like,
is this cool?
This is kind of cool.
And then deciding,
this is cool.
It was a fun piece of content
if you had a chance to check it out.
Yeah, that is incredible.
I mean, it must be amazing
to see people react
to what you play
and the way that you play it
because it is unique,
and it's awesome
that you've found your niche
and you perform it perfectly.
It is a great experience to watch,
and it's amazing
just to go through your content
and listen to your story at first
and then watch them come up
through all the shows
that you perform
and all the places
that you play at.
You've done an incredible job,
and for what it's worth,
I'm proud of you, bro.
I think you've done amazing.
Thank you, bro.
It does mean a lot.
Yeah, and it's great
that you are just openly
looking to add value
to the industry
and looking to add value
to Web3,
and you're just like,
let's do stuff.
Let's collaborate.
Let's make an impact.
Let's do what needs to be done
to keep this as incredible
as an industry as it is.
So yeah,
really exciting.
I'm thankful to be here.
Thank you so much
for having me.
Nice to meet everybody,
for sure.
Yeah, absolutely.
Thank you for playing the music.
That was absolutely epic.
And two totally different
types of music as well.
It's great
that you can just play
such a classical instrument
the way that you play,
but then integrate
rap and hip-hop to it,
and it just works so well.
So I think that's the surprise
that I think that people get
when they listen to it
is that it's like,
this is actually a jam.
Hell yeah.
Hell yeah.
Yeah, 100.
Keep it up.
I really love
any kind of classical
when you remix it
with rap or hip-hop.
That's my soft spot right there.
I learned piano
really young,
and that's,
yeah,
that's my stuff right there.
I definitely want to see
more collaborations and stuff.
I actually have
a Discord channel open
that's just for people
who want to make
music video content.
So if you want to make
a cool,
you know,
instrumental
and partner up
with someone
who's an animator
or an artist.
What?
Yes, I'm in.
Where do I find it?
Your bio?
Community to community.
It's not world.
Well, yeah,
I mean,
the community of communities
is all about it,
but I have,
like,
specifically,
I have a Discord channel
in my bio,
links in my bio.
Yeah,
we've got,
we have lots of musicians
and lots of artists
in the community,
communities
and all our projects.
But,
yeah.
I want to see more.
There's an ecosystem
at the moment as well
called Hangar Animals
that are just building out
their ecosystem
that have got
lots of opportunities
for stuff like,
you know,
music to be integrated to it,
which I think
you'd really vibe with,
especially with the,
you know,
the Web3 aspect of,
you know,
what you're trying to build.
I think that
that would definitely
be a collaboration
you'd be interested in
to get involved with as well.
I just joined
the Discord.
Hey, Zach,
what are you doing
January 17th,
Wednesday night
the 17th,
January 17th?
I think I'm free.
Let me just check
the gig calendar,
but I don't think
I have many things
in January right now,
so what's going on?
Well,
let's do a Zach night,
man.
It gives us
a nice little,
what,
six week at least,
maybe eight week run,
run up to
do something.
Let's make it
a night of,
well,
we'll call it crypto jazz,
but it'll be
a Ecclesian night.
I like that.
I like that.
I'm so down.
January 17th,
Campus Jackson,
Fort Beach.
Everybody be there.
Let's make some,
well,
we'll cook up
some NFT tickets.
I just added it
to my calendar.
Count me in.
You're in, baby.
I just,
I'm just
inking it on the,
we're still old school here.
We actually have
like a real paper calendar,
so let's go.
I'm writing
with a Sharpie,
man.
So you're,
don't go changing
your mind.
It's locked in,
locked in on my calendar.
Don't worry.
I'm there.
Thanks for the opportunity.
I'm excited.
I wanted to mention
something too,
since Trisley is here,
when Kim was talking
about doing things
in the metaverse,
Token Smart
is where we all hang out
and what Rev
was talking about earlier.
If you ever want to play
to some true DGens
and get deeper
into the Web3 ecosystem,
that's a great place
for you to maybe
bust out a show
once a week or something.
Yeah,
I'm all about that.
Where do I go
to get more info on that?
Trisley,
it's in the chat below,
but it's
nftsmart
on X.
Token Smart.
I pinned it
at the top as well.
It's the first
pinned post
at the top,
but I'll drop
all the information
to all the things
we've mentioned
in a message
to you,
Zach,
just so that you
don't lose anything.
I'll give a brief
description of which
each thing was
just so that it
makes sense to you.
That'd be so helpful.
No problem.
Absolutely.
There's a few
really cool aspects
of the community
I think that you'll
really enjoy
interacting with
and people will
enjoy you being
part of as well.
Like I said,
the Hangry Animals game,
they've got opportunities
for soundtracks
to be played
and when you
look at that
ecosystem,
you'll be excited
and like Mike
was saying,
the Token
Smart environment
as well is phenomenal.
I think you'd be
right at home
there for certain.
But yeah,
I'll give you
a description
of each thing
and the links
to all the right
places just to
see you've got
everything after
the airspace.
Perfect.
So is that
ink dried now,
Tim?
Is that locked in?
Yeah,
yeah,
I'm just trying
to figure out.
I think I'm just,
I'm going to post it
to the chat thread
here,
so there's no escape
now.
Yeah,
I think we're
right,
and the idea
is to build forward
but also look
backwards at the
people who've been
building since the
early days of this
industry and not
ever forget where
we're trying to go
with this and what
the opportunity
is at hand
to help
decentralize
things in a way
that we no longer
depend on certain
predatory systems
in order to
thrive.
And I think
artists and
musicians are
some of the
most underserved
and most forgotten
people out there
and being that
that's going to be
the main way
people can express
themselves in the
future,
I think that it's
important to focus
on the infrastructure
as well as
the people you
surround yourself with
because it's not
going to be the
same as it was
the past hundred
years.
It's a whole new
beast and I
believe that it's
a good one and
it's a good future
as long as we
continue to build
with that in mind
and collaboration
in mind,
not about floor
prices,
it's not about
revenue so much
as it is
decentralizing and
dispersing the
revenue to the
right places and
the right people so
that we can continue
to move forward
forward in the
right direction.
Absolutely,
that couldn't be
any further away
from the truth.
That's the best
way to keep the
decentralization and
the self-sovereignty
of the industry for
the people that
should benefit
because like you
rightly said,
the people that
built the
infrastructure that
other people build
on should be the
people that should
never be forgotten.
So yeah,
well said.
Yeah,
let's not recreate
the wheel.
There's people who
have been successful
and have built the
foundation of
basically this entire
industry.
Now we just need to
buckle down and
provide value to
those people more,
you know,
not spin up these
new ideas that
trump those businesses
but support the
people who are
building.
Yeah,
that's kind of
what we
do as a
community of
communities is
help support
everybody.
Yeah,
there's still so
much room in
this pool.
Plenty of room
for everybody.
Yeah.
You know,
we like to see
collaboration,
you know,
if people are
competing,
you know,
it doesn't,
it just doesn't
work as well as
working together
and collaborating
and watching
people come
together like
you used to
today and
on countless
other spaces
that we have
like makes
what we do
here totally
worth it.
Yeah,
I couldn't agree
more to that
and it's always
the orgs that
want to
collaborate and
want to build
the right way
and build with
the people that,
you know,
are going to,
you know,
continue,
you know,
flying the flag
and,
you know,
take the torch
to the next level
and I think that
that's a brilliant
thing that should
never be forgotten
is that,
you know,
it's the people
that add the
right soul
and the right
energy and the
right vibe
into this
and I think
like you were
saying before,
Tim,
as well,
you know,
it's love
that's the most
powerful force
and people's love
for the music
and the love
for each other
and the love
for a better
world
and the love
for community
and collaboration
in which keeps
this going
and helps people
get through
and keep building
the amazing
things that they
build
and,
you know,
create the amazing
music they create
which in turn
creates events
that people
will never forget
and it just gets,
you know,
stitched into
people's memory
and I just think
that that's what
makes music so powerful.
We just booked
one of those events.
It's January 17th.
Exactly.
Let's go.
History has been written.
Let's get it.
Yeah,
I just posted
that calendar
pick in the thread
so no turning back.
making it happen.
Super pumped.
I got to head
out of here actually
but any,
I can stay
for another few minutes
if you guys
have any last
questions for me.
What's your
most influential
classical piece
that you like
on the violin?
Cool question.
Cool,
cool question.
Okay,
it's called
La Folia.
It's by Corelli.
C-O-R-E-L-L-I.
It's an Italian piece.
La Folia.
La Folia by
and I think
his name is
Antonio Corelli
maybe
but that's the one.
That piece
has always stuck
with me
out of the
hundreds
that I've played
and still
have it memorized
to this day.
Can you spell
it for me?
I want to
check it out.
Yeah,
yeah.
L-A,
and then Folia
which is
F-O-L-I-A
and then
the composer
is Corelli
which is
C-O-R-E-L-L-I.
I like it
because it has
it tells a
crazy story
like it's got
in like
six minutes
it just takes
you on a journey
of like so many
different classical
variations
of ways to play.
It's such
it's a fun one
for sure.
Cool.
Yeah.
Awesome.
I'll check that out.
Yeah.
I love
the combination
of piano
and violin
with a beat
so yeah
I want to
play with that
for sure.
Awesome.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Sorry buddy.
I was just
going to say
if anybody
has any questions
we are coming
towards the end
of the space.
We really want
to just keep
this all about
these guys
but if you have
questions
we can bring
you up
to ask
some questions
I think
towards the
end of the
space
if you guys
are down.
I'm down.
We have a couple
people requesting
I just want
to acknowledge
the fans
of the room
all the pluses
rocking it out
I really appreciate
you all.
Can you tell me
more about the plus
a little bit?
Yeah.
You want to
go for it Rev
or you want me
to do it?
Yeah I can do
nice one.
Yeah so
basically the plus
represents
Web3
the community
communities
we're strong
advocates for
adding value
and we believe
that everyone
adds value
regardless of
their skill set
and we want
to represent
each other
in a way that
doesn't take away
anyone's identity
or their name
or their brand
so having a plus
in our names
just shows the
west of the world
that we stand
together
that we're about
collaboration
we're about
community
we're extremely
strong advocates
for mental
health
and that we
want to stand
and represent
each other
and build
a network
of people
right across
the industry
that have got
different skill
sets and
abilities
and also
showcase to
the world
that we can
collaborate
or coincide
without the need
to compete
for a top
spot
because we
believe there's
enough room
for everybody
that's what I
was trying to
say earlier
yeah
and although
we may be
in different
industries
or have
different skill
sets
or be doing
different things
that we can
still have that
level of love
and respect
for each other's
independence
and industries
and we can
still add value
to each other
whether we
work directly
with each other
or not
so yeah
so that's what
the plus
represents
and anyone
that carries
that plus
it means a lot
to us
because the more
people that have
a plus in their
name the more
people can see
the movement
that we're trying
to create
in regards
of adding value
to the world
and trying to
whilst doing
the things
that we love
and we are
passionate about
we can do
amazing things
like for example
the yeet program
where there's
58 kids
that can
you know
reap the rewards
of our hard work
and they can benefit
from the amazing
things that we're
all doing
in the different
ways that we're
doing it
so yeah
people rocking
that plus
it really means
a lot to us
because it shows
the world
that we can
empower
and we can
come together
and we can
you know
make sure
that this
industry
and web
three remains
decentralized
and for the
people
as a movement
for the people
by the people
love it
thanks for that
explanation
might have to
put one of those
on myself
assuming that's
okay
absolutely
yeah
you'll get that
you'll get that
check mark back
in like three days
yeah
maybe less
yeah
it can sometimes
take away the plus
it doesn't take away
I don't care
I don't care
let's go
you know
that would
that would be
awesome
because yeah
like I said
you know
it means a lot
to a lot of
people because
we're all trying
to build something
in our own way
and it's our way
of showing that
we unite with
each other
and yeah
a lot of people
ask what the plus
means and when
they find out
it resonates
because it's
just a movement
of love
and positivity
and that is
the message
that we're trying
to spread
and the plus
does that perfectly
so thank you
for asking
and yeah
I'd love to see
that plus
we're bringing
Hangry up here
to ask a question
yeah absolutely
I'll just invite
Hangry onto
the stage now
yeah
Hangry Animals
I've just sent you
an invite to the stage
I know that you
had a question
for Klee Jan
I believe it was
sorry Zach
now either way
yeah either way
it works yeah
the trap violinist
the rapper
the content creator
whatever
the legend
with the plus
yeah
and that's on
multiple platforms
as well you know
we've got it on
on TikTok as well
we've got it on
on X
on all platforms
cool
but I think
I think we did
get a few people
on stage
maybe they've got
a question
if anyone on stage
does have a question
just raise your hand
and whilst we've
got Klee Jan
because I know
he does have to
go soon
so if anyone
has any questions
for Klee Jan
do raise your hand
and we'll get
those questions
in before he goes
yeah I appreciate
all you guys
adding the plus
it's like you buy
a new car
and you start to
see that car
all around town
you're like
oh there's a lot
of us actually
but yeah
welcome drip heads
welcome to the stage
hope you're having
a great a great day
indeed indeed
family
appreciate you
for letting me up
what's up to
everyone up in here
everybody is family
especially ones
with the plus
in front
Klee Jan
I came in
I came in
as saying
I hate I missed
a majority
space is about
to get ready
to close
what
what made you
trap
you know
do your
trap violinist
type things
as you know
with the
with your
your skills
of the violin
and you rapping
and putting
into a trap
element
then very
then very
from just a
regular standard
type
you doing
your thing
and then you
you know
yeah
a good question
good to see you drip
nice to talk
with you
oh we've
connected on
messages
I'm trying to
get out there
to Texas
see you soon
but I'm
from Atlanta
I grew up
just like
very inspired
by hip-hop
and the rise
of trap music
around me
I was trained
classically
in violin
my whole life
hated it
and I
found
just like
a passion
for hip-hop
and rapping
and honestly
that came
from like
some
trauma
that I
just experienced
growing up
like I needed
an outlet
to basically
just like
be angry
at the world
and hip-hop
was there for me
for that
and that's like
where I fell in love
with rapping
and found my love
for trap music
and then
outside of
the rapping thing
didn't work
for me
at all
in high school
I definitely
got like
ridiculed
and put out
had the mic
snatched from me
on stage
a few times
but I
went to business
school
got a degree
in marketing
moved out
to LA
with that
was working
corporate
and just
felt like
something was
missing
like still
knew I loved
music
and wanted
to get back
into it
as any way
I could
and it was
inspired by
Lindsey Stirling
who's an
incredible violinist
who does
a lot of
pop and
EDM music
and I
what she was
doing with
the instrument
and she
sung out
world tours
and putting
out number
one albums
and I saw
there was a
lane to do
it in
my passion
which was
there was a
lane to do
like this
hip-hop
and trap
violin music
and I
wanted to
take it
further
and be
different
you know
and try
to use
my voice
that's like
where the
rapping
came in
I thought
I could
try to
bring back
that passion
and meld
it with
the 20
years of
rigorous
classical
training
that I've
gone through
and that's
like the
base answer
but beyond
that I mean
I've developed
such an appreciation
and admiration
for trap
history
and I
want to
definitely be
like an
advocate
and shed a
lot of
light on
where the
music comes
from
and how
it was
made
and all
that stuff
and yeah
that's the
answer
right there
I guess
you played
on stage
with
Lindsey
Stirling
right
yeah
yeah
I did
in September
I got to
play with
Lindsey on
her tour
which was
a dream
come true
I'm so jealous
I love her
she's amazing
bro the
reinvention
of yourself
just
understanding
that you
have your
talent
and be able
to understand
and create
a lane
is brilliant
and I applaud
and I most
definitely
support you
and hopefully
we can do
some things
and then when
you come down
to Dallas
I got you
I got you
hell yeah
hell yeah
man I appreciate
you for real
thank you bro
it looks like
we managed to
get Hangry Animals
on the stage
what's up
Hangry Andy
alright boys
can you hear me
all good
fantastic
loving the
performance man
Zach that was
amazing
really
beautiful stuff
yeah
so awesome
to hear that
kind of mix
coming together
proper
reminds me of
I don't know
if you've come
across Courtney
Pine before
I'm gonna
check him out
though
Courtney
Courtney Pine
jazz musician
uses clarinet
so he combines
clarinet
with hip hop
scratch
lots of like
decks
so he's using
the scratching
of the decks
on it
what's the album
called
I think it's
simply
Courtney Pine
but I heard him
play in
Brecon Jazz Festival
here in the UK
about five
six years ago
live
and that dude
went on for like
three hours
just doing his set
everyone was going
home
but he was like
I ain't going
anywhere
I'm just carrying
on playing
it's freaking cool
he was just like
no this is my stage
I'm gonna play
until the end
and then he had
like a downloadable
USB with the
entire album on it
and it's like
that's the first
thing everybody
was looking at
going wow
what's this
imaginary
amazing thing
it's like
it's just
MP3s on a
on a stick
but in that
genre
you know
very traditional
very progressive
but very traditional
means of delivering
music
this guy was like
pushing the boundaries
but yeah
check him out
Courtney Pine
it's really cool
the first time
I ever heard him
was on a flight
from the US
to where we got
San Francisco
and just
it was on the radio
and I was like
oh my god
what's this mix
of like
hip-hop beats
with a clarinet
and your stuff
just really
reminded me of that
and inspired me
of remembering
you know
Courtney Pine stuff
but yeah
super cool man
I got him
on Spotify
yeah yeah
loving the conversations
by the way
and just
you know
how we
we're here
for the same reason
you know
we're bigging each other up
and we want to see
see everybody succeed
so yeah
we'd love to connect
so awesome work
my question
I guess
from that point
was answered
a little bit
by the dude
just now
sorry
forgot your name
in terms of
what other
crossover genre
of music
breaking the mold
influenced you
or what
what triggered you
to want to
bring those two
worlds together
I guess
yeah
that's
that's a
cool question
Lindsey
Sterling
obviously
is the big
I would say
the next
biggest one
for me
is this dude
named
Raginder
who's an
Indian guy
he's like a
Sikh dude
he's a
violinist
and he
started
like he
before I
started
he was
putting out
like dope
bassy
violin music
that was
like
definitely
yeah
it was
it was
it was
different
type of
music
I was
inspired
by him
R-A-A-G-I-N-D-E-R
he's great
he's
I think
from San Fran
then
I mean
Josh
Vietti
he's another
great
violinist
that was
kind of
I was
I definitely
attribute
some of my
inspiration
to him
but I
guess it's
really just
these violinists
like
they were
really like
who I was
looking up
to and
seeing that
it could
be done
I mean
like
Big G
the guy
saxophonist
artist
he was
cool
growing up
I definitely
definitely
enjoyed
I'm trying
to think
of other
like live
instrumentalists
those are
some
those are
like my
top four
probably
that's cool
it's really
interesting to
hear how
other people
arrived
you know
musicians
and artists
arrived at
their discovery
of their
flavor
and how
individuals
groups
bands
have
provided
that
influence
my next
question
when's
Slipknot
violin
crossover
when's
the metal
violin
crossover
that's
coming
that's
coming
I mean
I've been
doing rock
covers
on my
TikTok
for the
past
couple
days
guarantee
Slipknot
is coming
and I
want to
add on
to my
last
answer
as far
rappers
inspired
I mean
yeah
it's
G-Eazy
Eminem
J. Cole
and Kendrick
are like my
top four
favorite rappers
that definitely
inspire me
but the
Slipknot
cover's
coming man
just
comment on
TikTok
and it's
yours
sweet
love it
I'm on it
thank you
it was good
yeah
absolutely
yeah I was
going to ask
as well
Zach
you know
are you
looking to
collaborate
with you
know
different
ecosystems
in web
three
you know
utilizing
your music
ecosystems
like
hangry
animals
yeah
dude
thank you
for asking
that
I meant
to say
this
earlier
open
collaboration
in any
shape
form
I just
want to
provide
as much
value
as I
in any
shape
form
there's
opportunity
work
create
please
please
please
tell me
even if
you need
some
violins
production
or strings
on your
music
if any
other
musicians
in here
but yeah
just
utilize
what I
can do
please
I'm here
for it
that's
my goal
my goals
are to
meet
and collaborate
and get
to know
and be
a part
of these
communities
I'm thankful
for every
opportunity
that comes
my way
and happy
to provide
the value
that I
love it
that's cool
there's
probably
something
we could
probably
follow up
and have
a conversation
about
I'm just
thinking
about
the RPG
it's an
open world
RPG game
and there's
a level
within the
game
that I want
to have
a little
mysterious
and a
little bit
off the
wall
when our
characters
arrive
and they
actually enter
the alien
mothership
and there's
just some
I want to
make it a
little bit
different
I want to
make it a
little bit
off the
cuff
unexpected
that vibe
would be
super cool
hip-hop
violin
combo
if you're
up for it
and you want
to chat
further
yeah
yeah
DM me
about it
I might
already have
some music
that could
work
if not
I could
make
something
message me
for sure
of course
I see
Mike
what's up
Mike
I'm just
going to
give a
shout out
Trip
Token
inviting
Collegian
into our
community
and he's
been
bringing the
heat lately
so I
just
wanted to
give him
a shout
where's
Trip
is he
there
he's
probably
building
something
amazing
somewhere
shout out
Trip
yeah
he wasn't
here
earlier
I don't
know if
he's had
to go
somewhere
or if
he's
back
but yeah
he definitely
was here
earlier
for quite
a while
yeah
well said
Mike
definitely
shout out
to Trip
for that
well said
yeah
and I've
also
dropped you
into the
Hangry
Animals
Telegram
group as
well
Telegram
Zach
so that
you can
connect
better in
that world
and you
can check
that out
on a
deeper
scale
as well
perfect
thank you
not a
problem
but yeah
definitely
shout out
to Trip
for bringing
you to
our world
we'll definitely
be seeing
a lot more
of you
for sure
and there's
definitely
a few
conversations
to be
had in
the back
for lots
of collaborations
I'm sure
I mean
I think
many people
are excited
by your
music
and we
appreciate
you and
joining us
tonight
and giving
us two
hours of
your time
you guys
have done
amazing
things in
the industry
and you've
got much
much more
room to do
many more
amazing things
and it's
amazing to
hear your
guys stories
and all the
things that
you've achieved
I think it's
absolutely
inspirational
and it's
incredible to
hear how
humble you
guys really
are to
say that
the amount
of accomplishments
you've gone
through in
your careers
and you're
still willing
to share
your stories
and collaborate
with people
and add
value everywhere
you can
that speaks
volumes
and there's
a reason
why you
guys are
as successful
as you
clearly
from the
people
that you
clearly
have
become
through
success
of your
passions
we really
appreciate
you guys
tonight
yeah shout
out to
man great
to meet
you and
Mickey and
all y'all
thank y'all
so much
for having
what a
great
community
I had
a great
time
can't wait
to come
back as
a listener
yeah likewise
and look
forward to
being with
you on
January 17
yeah
pumped to
see that
come into
fruition
y'all we
gotta stay
on top of
that put
out this
video we
can say
we made
that happen
today
it'd be
dope
heck yeah
are you
guys already
in the
telegram too
I sent
Tim a link
the other
day I'll
send you
another one
I don't
know I
think I
am but
I'll check
lots of
founders and
great people
in there
it's a good
place to
hang out
what's that
the community
telegram
yeah
yeah
that's the
place to
hang out
absolutely
so many
amazing
dudes in
there
and lasses
yeah and
it's a
it's a
string of
things that
happen
as well
that make
these things
what they
are like
you know
Tripp
bringing
Zach
into our
world
and Mike
bringing
into our
world
and now
you guys
are collaborating
and history
is about to
be made
and we're
all going to
be anxiously
awaiting all
the content
that's going
to be created
and the lives
that's going
to be played
and we're
going to be
able to be
like we were
there when
these guys
had this
conversation
it's going
to be epic
and yeah
all the
collaborations
that can
come off
this and
there's so
much creativity
yet to be
even discussed
on the back
of this
and you know
it's a massive
shout out to
everybody involved
and a big shout
out to everybody
that's listening
and we appreciate
you guys coming
and spending
the two hours
with us as well
and you know
it really means a lot
to us
and as you guys
feel the same
community is
everything
and it's great
to see people
still holding
that in high
regard
so yeah
thank you
to everyone
who played
the part
in making
these things
come together
the way
that they
but yeah
we are probably
going to bring
the space
to an end
we've had a
great two
hours
an incredible
collaboration
of guests
definitely a great
shout out Mike
on bringing
these guys
together
and again
shout out to
you and Tripp
as well
for bringing
them both
into our world
and the co-host
as always
being amazing
and the team
in the background
and the community
of course
and everyone
rocking that
plus
and letting
the world
know that
we are as one
and that
together
we can add value
every single day
in every single way
so yeah
if anyone has
any final
quotes
that they would
like to add
before we call
the space
an end
then now
is the time
to do so
so I don't know
Tim if you want
to have any
final words
my friend
hey big shout out
to Mike
and Meta Builders
and just
appreciate the invite
to be here
and just a big
fan of what
he's got going
on up there
in Vancouver
so whatever
we can do
to support
that effort
let's make it
happen
we'll see you
all soon
thank you
love you man
thanks for coming
see you guys
I thoroughly
enjoyed the
conversation today
I thought it
was probably
the best
spent two hours
of my life
this week
absolutely
it was
incredible
well said
absolutely
love having
all you guys
in the space
you know
all the people
rocking the plus
and retweeting
the room
you guys
are all so
supportive
it just blows
my mind
how much
this community
grows every
week
you guys
are awesome
also
I have a
rumble
in my discord
that I said
I would run
at 6 o'clock
so if you guys
are in my discord
make sure you
hit the swords
I'll start it
in the next
like 4 or 5
minutes
after the
space
ends
so yeah
that's what's
I appreciate
everybody for
stopping in
and you guys
have a great
weekend
we will see
you tomorrow
same bat
time
same bat
channel
if anyone
wants to
find me
on sound
that's where
I'll be
dropping a lot
more of my
music
I'd love
to have
you guys
join my
collector
community
and provide
you some
cool perks
over there
but thank
you guys
so much
for the
invite
I had a
great
time
appreciate
yeah
definitely
and make
sure you
drop links
to that
in our
telegram
as well
so that
people can
find that
and if
anyone wants
to find
the telegram
they can
find that
through our
website
it's just
communityofcommunities.world
that is where
all of our
stuff resides
that's where
all the links
to everything
lives
so yeah
if anyone
wants to
join the
telegram
they can
do that
through the
website
communityofcommunities.world
and yeah
if please
Jen and
Tim you want
to drop
anything
in regards
of anything
that you guys
are building
or any events
you've got
coming up
or anything
you want
social media
support
you can drop
that in there
and we can
all come
and show
love to that
but yeah
if that's
everything
from everyone
then we will
call it a night
and yeah guys
thank you so much
for your time
and we will
see you guys
same time
tomorrow
at 9pm
UK time
thank you very
much everybody
and if you've
got the plus
you're one of us
catch you next
time
