Shit there we are can you hear me Yeah, how's it going man? I'm doing good. How about you? Doing good man. Thanks for taking the time to hear it of course man Yeah, really excited I don't know if you remember I used to co-host the show with Morty but you
back in the summer. Yeah, I remember you used to come up a bit and I have been following your account since then and I have been really enjoying your content. Mostly like the health and optimization stuff. It has been really nice to kind of see because I feel like you have a really well balanced perspective. Yeah man, I appreciate
I've been, you know, I had a little bit of it like a health scare on January and I think from from there I kind of really focused on my health and well-being and I love to learn so
I became kind of obsessed to know more and I just I'd love to know everything about it like I don't just want to know why it's good for me I want to know everything about that you know what I mean yeah yeah absolutely um that's actually you know that's
where I really began was I actually got interested in kind of health and kind of everything having to do with it, mostly having to do with learning water chemistry as weird as that is. But that was just because water chemistry is all about circulation and chemicals and how things oxidize.
and you know through stagnation water you know becomes unpear and like filtration there's like basically it works the same way that the body does and I have this like click happen and from there I was just kind of on that mentality of like you're saying the whole story not just why it's good for you but how
how does it actually work? But I think that's awesome. And I'm really, you know, I'm sad to hear that you did have a health scare. It sounds like you're doing okay though, hopefully. And, you know, I'm glad that you're, you know, learning and hopefully it sends you in that direction of just kind of optimizing the rest of your path.
Yeah, I've been to be honest that healthcare was the biggest like blessing I've had in my life because it gave me such a beautiful like It taught me so much that I'm forever, you know grateful that I actually had it because I feel like
like if that weren't enough happened, I actually would not have centered myself so much in my health. But yeah, that's, that's, you know, it's funny how it works that way. I've had that happen too. And that's actually happened with me recently with kind
of a rebound effect, if you will. I'm actually about to turn 30 and I got really, really interested in health in my early 20s and then I had a daughter and so parenting kind of took hold and then with Web 3 and everything which got crazy.
For me, I had a very similar instance where this past, I'd say year, I had some very severe health issues go on and things that I absolutely needed to address and put back in the spotlight of my brain versus trading or these types of things that
were involved in on the Twitter spaces. But it's good when that happens when it's kind of like it sets things into priority. It's almost like gutters on a bowling lane, where it just kind of like sends you right down the path that you should be even if it didn't seem like it from the get go.
Yeah, I think unfortunately kind of I think if if you don't have something happen to you I think you don't get the perspective on how important your actual health is So that's why
I call it a little bit of a blessing. Oh, I 100% agree. Feel free to refrain from personal information or anything like that. If you did want to share anything about what has happened or how it's
healed, feel free. But really the real reason that I wanted to say I really reached out more than anything is even though it seems like you're learning these things, you come from a very well-balanced perspective. In my opinion, when it comes to some of these things that people use as
tools that we see on Twitter. I see a lot of people posting about exercise, I see a lot of people posting about nutrition, breath work, cold plunging, sleep. And one of the things that caught my eye was not too long ago you posted something about doing cold plunging
the end of your day in doing it towards the nighttime and how detrimental that could be. And you know, I was a nutrition major when I did a little bit of college, you know, I've, you know, watched a billion podcasts, read a billion books kind of thing. But for me, I come from that well-balanced perspective and not going to lie to
the general narrative that I see with people from the web3 space that are taking on health and optimization, is it for lack of a better word could be taken as dangerous because it doesn't seem as balanced as like the takes that, you know, even like you post. I really liked that because I was like, if people don't
understand neuropronephrine and focus chemicals and why it's good to do a cold plunge in the morning and not at night. They could be messing themselves up, sending themselves into insomnia, sending themselves into bad sleep patterns. And so I was like, I wanted to get you on a conversation because I feel like we resonate on that level where it's not
not just up, not everything is just going in the right direction to balancing act. No, yeah man, you said it all. I think it's very important that if you're going to do something, I think, okay, number one, you have to remember that we are habitual creatures. We work on habit.
And if you don't know what you're doing, then why the fuck are you doing it? You know, like I think it's very important to know what's behind the habit you're performing, to know how you can optimize it to yourself. I'm trying to think of an example on something that could work differently for
for different people, but uh, no, nothing at the moment, but that's that's kind of the the point of how I educate, I think, is how you can college. Yeah, no, absolutely. You know, for me,
I mean, there's a few things that come to mind, just with that sentence that you just said. The first thing is talking about the habitual nature of humans and the why factor. This is something that I've picked up. I've picked this up in therapy. I've picked this up in careers.
There's something that's called "lattering". I'm not sure if you've ever heard of "lattering". I've also heard it referred to as a sales pitch that Toyota uses, which is called the 5Ys technique. They use it for selling cars, which is if somebody's hesitant to sell a car, you ask them why in five different ways.
to the root of their hesitation and in order to overcome that and sell a car. But with laddering, a lot of times it comes down to imposter syndrome or negative habits and things like that and you ask yourself why to the point of getting to the root of it, to the root of why do you want to use
utilize that behavior. And I think that a lot of what you just said is to like, people are habitual. If they don't know why they're doing something and they're running on autopilot, you know, what's the point of even doing anything kind of thing. And I think that that question of why is huge. And another thing like you're talking about your edge of
first thing that I think of as diet. I was big in the web too, kind of health optimization, Instagram, supplement companies popping up left and right. And it turned into diet wars of ketosis versus bodybuilding for mass and counting of macros.
I've seen dogmatism in that sense where you find different diet niches and that's their niche and that's what they promote and it's very one-sided. Me, I've been in periods of ketosis, I've been in periods of bodybuilding, I've been in periods of plant-based and other
things, but it all comes down to what you're trying to achieve and why. And I think that you're definitely on that right path with the way that you're thinking. Of course, yeah, I appreciate it. That was that was very well said. By the way, how was Cotosis? Yeah, you know, um, Cotosis is something that
I've entered into states of ketosis and intermittent fasting mostly for psychiatric reasons. More than anything having to do with like physique or physical health. It's mostly been for glucose spikes and knowing the way that my
brain works and the way that I process thoughts. It's not something I can stay in a state of ketosis long-term. I don't think that's well-balanced. I've lost too much weight at times and too much muscle mass. But it's very helpful for people that struggle with anxiety.
It's huge for anxiety, huge for people to have just kind of trouble processing stress hormones. That's the main reason I did it and I really did enjoy it, but I did have issues when it came to losing too much weight while just kind of being healthy, normally, and maintaining.
Yeah, man, that's that's very interesting. Thank you for sharing. How was how was your sleep with Gatoza? Did it affected in any way? Oh, absolutely. I felt like sleep was was amazing. Honestly, I feel like a normal
like just for me personally. I feel like me having just like an intermittent fasting routine and hitting peaks of ketosis, it was very good for sleep also with just kind of having regulated sleep but it's mostly like
up in the morning was the biggest thing because with like stress hormones and with glucose you hear it in a lot of different ways when they say the first meal of your day kind of affects your mood for the rest of the day but I really
preach that when it comes to eating a really high fat high protein meal in the morning and that will basically tell your body how it's supposed to react to food for the rest of the day. And that was the most thing. More than actual sleep at the back end of the day, it's more how I woke up in the morning.
That's beautiful. It's actually something that I've been implementing myself. I got a little bit into you know the science with glucose and I've been trying to fix my breakfast to fix my day. I do like to have carbs at breakfast but I mix them with fibers
protein and fats just to avoid that big spike. Yeah, no, I definitely, you know, I'm a believer too in low GI. I know that GI is something that's not really considered as true science because it's kind of a blanketed statement.
comes to the, what is it, the something index, I forget. But I actually used to work in pet food and they would talk about low GI for pet food and a lot of what it is is categorizing simple and complex carbs. Yeah, sweet potato versus, you know, baked potato or brown rice versus white rice. And when you learn about
about the amino acids and the way that these complex carbs actually take longer to digest. It's not just a fast glucose spike, like wheat bread. Things like that even. I don't believe there's anything wrong with any of that. I think it's more just refined stuff is the issue.
Of course. Yeah. That was very well said. Thank you. I was wondering, do you practice breath work or like cycle breathing or anything like that in your routine?
In my routine at the moment, I don't, but I have practiced um, whimhouse breathing before, uh, and it's, you know, I don't do it now because I don't know where to put it in my day.
Yet because it's a very very very powerful breath. It does I think the point of his breath is it activates it like in Crete like it Juck how do I say this it greatly activates your sympathetic sympathetic nervous system
them. So you get out of those breaths and you feel like you could rip the world in half. So I kind of am trying to figure out where I can put those breaths in throughout my day. You know, that's that's awesome to hear, you know, that
You've that you have that balance of knowing that it's so powerful Wim Hof method. That's something that I started with I see a lot of cold plunging Being really popular amongst web three communities and just what I see on Twitter and a lot of that is associated with women
like you're saying with a nervous system, mostly affecting the vagus nerve on your spine when you take those deep, powerful breaths. It basically overrides your sense of nervousness in kind of the lack of a
better way to put it, it makes it so that those electrical impulses get overridden so that you can do basically superhuman things. And like you're saying, that can be, honestly for me, it can be scary. And I've dealt with that in my life.
For me, my biggest utilization would probably be Cheegong or more just kind of like morning routines. You can find really good ones on YouTube, but basically like moving Chi throughout the body and just breath work in unison of like
muscle movements. But I do think that the Wim Hof method, the really powerful deep breaths in conjunction with cold plunging, it definitely does have its values. But I'm not going to lie for me personally, I'm pretty skeptical towards it.
Skeptical towards the breathing. More just the practice in general when it comes to the conjunction of breathing and cold plunging together. Yeah, that was kind of my problem. I used to do it before the cold plunge.
And after the cold plunge I would get out and it was just so much energy it would kind of dip me a little bit. So I stopped doing those breathing techniques. I don't know where to put them in my, in my routine.
I was told by my instructor that if one plans to have those, you know, breaths during the day, that they'd do it with an empty stomach, I'm not sure why, but that was like the tip he gave me with.
I can see that. I wonder if that has to do with not knowing what somebody's putting in their body because you see that with different types of even purses.
burging ceremonies in like South America or things like that, how much somebody's kind of toxin intake could affect that. And knowing how the Wim Hof method deals with oxidization, the like heavy oxygen and what it does to
cells. That would be kind of interesting if they did some deeper science on that. For me personally, I was a fan of it and if you're wondering where to implement those breaths, I implement them mostly in
really intense mountain and hiking. When you're going uphill on a steep grade, oxygen gets lower. It's a perfect place to implement those really deep abdominal breaths in with the walking up the steep hill.
And that way you're not dealing with any sort of risk of drowning or anything like that associated with it. But I find a really similar sensation to those deep breaths and going up a super steep grade for me, which would be in the Sierra Nevada Mountains.
That's very interesting. Thank you for the tip. I used to do these, I think we might be talking about different breathing exercises. The one I'm talking about is the one where you kind of hyperventilate for like 30 breaths and then you do this deep breath without
where you just exhale and hold your breath. You do that for like three, four times in the point of the breath is to kind of take some type of control over your autonomous nervous system. Sorry. I think there's great research
on it. I don't know if he's read his book yet, but the experiment they had with the breath was they put women to, they tubed them up, they were constantly checking up his blood while
he was doing the breath and they discovered that it directly influences the immune system, the autonomous nervous system, the sympathetic nervous system. It's crazy what these breaths do.
Yeah, you know, I do believe I was talking more of like a like a jeep meditative breath, but I do I do know what you're talking I believe they have it on YouTube that talks about how what is he gain he inoculated himself with some sort of a virus
to see if it was. Oh, I have it in the tip of my tongue. It was a bacteria. It was dead, but the point was to see how the immune system reacts towards the bacteria.
And he only had a light headache as symptoms where people would go insane with that bacteria. They would get sick for weeks. But yeah, that's exactly why I was talking about. It's exactly that experiment. Yeah, yeah, that stuff is like...
superhuman, you know, and it is powerful even doing, I've done those breaths and just hopped in a cold shower, not even like full submerging or anything like that where, you know, I know this breaths a lot or meant to see almost how long you can, you know, maintain those states.
But even like you're talking about those 30 breaths and you know like you feel like your face is gonna explode or kind of thing afterwards It's really interesting The one thing for me honestly and not to not to put a negative spin on things at all
But for me I used to do cold plunges like that and then like local bodies of water and things like that and I actually was going to do a Poth in a local river after work one day I Ended up googling to see if there were groups because doing something like that is out
absolutely dangerous this can be to do by yourself. And I looked up just Wim Hof, Uber River, which is a river over by my house in Sacramento. And it looked, I saw an article that somebody actually passed away from drowning for doing the Wim Hof method.
And the scary thing about it was the guy sounded very similar to me like personality wise, you know somebody who just that you know like to explore kind of health and optimization and that kind of thing. And so particularly with like the mixture of Wim Hof and
cold submergion and being alone. It's something that scares the shit out of me. I'm not gonna lie because I was so close to like doing the exact thing that somebody did and then saying that they had a tragic end come to it. It's something that I just hate to share but it's something to be aware of.
that those things do happen.
He does these breathing exercises in groups and you can see how people lose consciousness some people visit There's a part of your nervous system where it takes control over so some people start to like cry or laugh or I'm actually gonna send you a video
So on a group of people that lived with him for just three days just to see these practices real time and it's amazing. But yeah, something that one warms a lot on is to not do it alone and to not do it in an open body of water.
100% I have I'm not sure if you've ever heard of Aubrey Marcus Aubrey Marcus is the founder of the supplement company on it Who he since sold that company, but he's a podcaster and he's friends with Wim Hof and very into like different
types of optimization. One of his favorite things is to do like darkness retreats and like pure pure darkness for like a week to 10 days on end and he's into just the very you know extreme things to see the thresholds of you know the body.
and the mind and things like that. He went and did kind of the ice hike in his boxer shorts that Wim Hof kind of does as guided things and it's really it's funny because I've seen some videos of people who do
that and if you understand that you understand the beauty of it, you understand the kind of the coming together that these people have. And like you're saying, how it becomes a healing experience with the breath and people who maybe have not
locked or touched parts of their mind or their being, you know, in years or things can unlock that with the breath. And then there's people like, I don't know if you've also seen like there's a vice documentary on Wim Hof that they send kind of like a vice reporter who kind of gives it the kind of tongue in cheek.
Oh, is this hokey? Is this a fake thing? And they end up kind of being like, oh, it's kind of a nice experience. But it just, it left out that kind of understanding like the depth of like, no, this is like, this is something that like people can unlock within themselves.
Yeah, I know I've I think that's where my like health journey started with with Wim Hof I think I I heard him online a couple of times bought his book and And that's where it started. You know, I started doing these plunges in October of last year
And yeah, I really look up to him. That's awesome. You know, it is because like you're saying, immune system, things like that, it can help people live, you know, more fulfilling lives like without
having that feeling of really being as weighted in their situations. I wanted to touch one more thing just to emphasize Cheegong and Tai Chi and things like that. It's definitely something that
I love and I know everybody there's different things for everybody, but I really recommend trying that out because it tells you some more like Eastern medicine type stances, breaths, and just kind of practices to help like
For instance, like loosen up the lymphatic system and you know like unlock those you know types of breath that bring you like grounding without like Blasting it, you know kind of into that extreme state or like a routine breath routine really recommend like Qi Gong or Tai Chi
Yeah, no, thank you Mike if you can send something over for these practices because I've heard them before but I've never Never actually done them Yeah, it's funny. I actually there's this one YouTube video for Chi Gong that I have watched like over and over for like the past like five years So I'll send you that one because
it's like the one that just works for me. It's super easy and basic. It's like a 30 minute little like exercise if you call it that. But yeah, I'll definitely send you that one over. I think we'll get a kick out of it. Perfect. Please do. Yeah. Yeah. I also I wanted a chat just because I know that we
you know, come from this kind of culture of Web 3. But I was curious just because things have changed like crazy, at least this, you know, since 2023. There's a few kind of almost dualistic concepts that I'm personally
torn with within the space. And so I just wanted to pick your brain a little bit if you're comfortable with whatever extent. I was just wondering because we're all in here trying to navigate and figure out kind of what we're doing. Do you in the current state of Web 3, I know you do
content creation in your hosting Twitter spaces and you know you're you're in this. Do you find that it's more of escapism for you from whatever's going on or do you find that it's helping persevere into who you're trying to
become. I think it's helping me become the the image or brand I want to create because what stuff, though, is is I think the base or the start of something that hopefully in the future I can help millions of people help themselves become the better self.
the mission. That's my goal. And I don't have a very clear plan on how it's going to work. I'm kind of riding the wave at the moment. I'm trying to innovate every time I can. Content-wise, health-wise, everything.
flies. And yeah, I think did that did that answer your question? Yeah, no, it definitely did. So, but just to kind of dig in a little bit deeper, are you looking to kind of establish yourself as like
an educational and entertaining voice for kind of people to be like to use as a pillar or to be like as a mentor, a digital mentor in a sense. I don't know if a mentor, but my goal is for people to learn from what I'm giving them, to learn
I don't know how they can help themselves. I don't want to help no one. I want to help people help themselves. That's kind of the point. I don't know if that answered your question. No, I really do like that. I do. I think that Web 3 could definitely be that playing field of helping people help themselves.
I honestly, in the sense of not the motivation, but giving people the tools. I feel like we haven't seen it in the sense of like, for instance, like IP, where a lot of companies distributed IP, you know, you have a U, so I have a Ranga.
you know, yada yada yada, but at the same time, they did it with the extent of helping people create their own brands out of their own IP that they gave them, which is something unique to Web 3. I think within any sense of education or self-provement,
anything like it's the same kind of playing field where you strip something to give somebody that's a fool for them to do self versus constantly having to tune in to something in order to say you know glue it if that makes any
sense. No, it does make sense. You know, I don't know if I'll be if if what I'll create will be on Web 3 forever, but I'm definitely experimenting over here to see what's possible, what's not. But I've been loving it. You know, I entered Web 3 in 2020.
And I really like technology and crypto a lot as well. So that's why I'm kind of still here. That's awesome. You know, I remember honestly, I remember you talking about NFTs in particular when I was hosting that show with Morty and I remember one thing that really stuck out
to me, which was there's a bunch of projects flying around. You had things that were pumping and fudding and all this kind of stuff and you came on there and you're like, "No, I only invest in two companies right now, which is Beans and Yutes." You're like, "For if you look at their price trajectories, being a second
collection for you know big brand this is the best call to be making for this time right now and I just remember I was a little taken back because I was like that was such a well-rounded motionless in a good way like taking the emotion out of it like I was just like this dude does what he's doing you know obviously no financial
advice that I'll have, but I was impressed with that. It was really mature versus a lot of these people who are just pumping their own deal. Yeah, of course. I mean, look, I think the people who are pumping their own deal and sending money to random wallets are people who are looking at the short term.
And I guess for investments you really have to see how it can help you in the long run. And I really believe in my founder at least Frank, you know, he has a good heart. He's a great creator. He's beautifully creative. He's young. He's
relentless he's the type if I were to be a founder that's what I would like to be and I'm just very comfortable with who he is so that's why I'm comfortable spending the amount of money I have to spend for a fucking monkey thing I don't even know what a you is
But yeah. Yeah, you know, I really do value, you know, Frank's input as a leader in the sense. And what I mean by that is NFC is very new. A lot of people are looking to see
people who we gave a lot of lemons make lemonade. And that comes in a lot of different forms. For me, coming from somebody with a graphic design background, it's understanding the little details. And that's what I see with both the brands, the D-gods and the Yutes.
the use of emojis, they were very quick to file trademarks where other brands installed for six plus months. As young as Frank is and all that, he's definitely doing things the correct way for trying to create a startup business in a new industry.
industry where other people aren't. And that's something that I definitely see. I see what you see. And I see that there's a lot of people that are taking notes as the how he and that brand are doing things because they have an ability to change the playing field where others don't.
And that's valuable. It is. Yeah, and I'm just very excited for the future. So that's why I'm still here. Well, that's awesome. You know, one thing when it comes to a concept on social media in particular,
not so much the actual industry but just the amount of effort that people are putting in the way that people are communicating together in the space. I view it as one of two things and I wanted to get your opinion on this. There's two ways that people
conduct themselves online. And that is either through what I view and I can be wrong, I would love to hear what you think, either through extraction or through compassion, either through scratch my back, I scratch yours, it's this kind of game or a sense
of authenticity. And I see where it's kind of hurting each other because the game is winning in a sense in the very short term and in the dangerous, implosive term and the voice of the, you know, the compassionate long-term
or seems to be muted and dwindling. I was just curious when it comes to the industry, you've been here since 2020, you've seen when it was quiet, it got loud, it got ugly, and it got quiet again. How do you view the future and the present tense of the
future in terms of communication. Do you think that it needs to change in order to succeed? How do you view the kind of extraction versus compassion? That's a crazy question. Sorry about that question. No. Oh wow.
How do I see the feet? So I think that if this space or how we're looking at it right now wants a future, it needs to mature and it needs to be realistic and it really has to look
forward the actual future like they really have to you know pay attention on am I going to last long so those are the brands companies or people who will survive at least because those are the people who are you know who are willing to stay in
the toughest times. And I think that's where you see who's really here and who's not. I don't know if that answers the question. Oh, it does. It shows that there are obstacles and there's resilience that needs to be met in order to succeed.
For me, I came from a start-in-tree previous to this. I have worked in the agriculture section of California cannabis legalization for years from 2015 to 2021.
And so I saw how they drastically changed the laws and how it went from something that was shunned illegal, the smell of it was caused, you know, police to be, you know, be called to people advocating to legalize and how it changed in the views of
grown parents, parents, things like that. And it didn't happen overnight. And it happened with some very ugly things. Similar to what we see in Web 3, with illegal things, you know, people manipulating, ripping off, making a ton of money, the Wild West, that was truly the same
nature. The biggest difference that I see is the absolute understanding from that industry that they needed to put grassroots down. They needed to go and create the laws, the regulation, the common practices, these things needed to be in place before anybody
could call an industry. It was a grassroots movement. I believe we're still in a grassroots movement or at least dissolved back to one versus what we saw in the bull run. And like basically bringing a full circle, what we need to see for those that stick around is that resilience of
advocacy, bringing Web 3 back to an industry, making NFTs not a bad name, or if we are going to rebrand the name, something that's household that people value. And I think that like you're saying with the resilience, I feel like that needs to come. Yeah, of course.
I think another very important pillar for industry to grow or to get more eyes on is definitely education. And I think there's great minds and great companies that strive to do that. But little by little, this gets better. - 100%.
Yeah, I really, I think so too. You know, I wanted to talk about something a little bit generic as we kind of near a close, but I wanted to talk to you just about the concept of succeeding and failing. That seems to be
something that is on the back end of everyone's mind is their project succeeding or failing? Has their decisions allowed them to succeed or fail? Are they on a path of succeeding or failing within their own health, their own life? That kind of thing. And that is definitely everybody has an opinion
as to what that means for them. But I was curious for you when it comes to waking up in the morning and saying that, you know, "Schnuff is enough." You know, what does that mean for you to succeed throughout your day?
such a good question man. I think you know success is so subjective but you know let's start with this. The real meaning of success is to accomplish with to accomplish with
Like accuracy or done well, you know, so how is success viewed in my life? I think success or something successful is how much I will expand in the process, how much I'll grow and how much I'll learn in the process. That to me
success. That to me is like I'm good with that. You know and part of that is failing and falling multiple times to get where you want to be. But I guess that's that's what my definition of success is.
I love it. There's a word comes to mind that's right action. Not just acting for the sake of moving, but moving in a direction that leaves you learning something, growing. It's right action. It's not just going in any direction. It's
the right one. I'm not sure if that's, you know, on the same lines, but that's kind of what I heard from that. And I think that if so, you know, and what you're saying, that's definitely the way to be thinking, you know, the objective versus subjective.
100% I think something to be very aware of is you know awareness to start with and perspective I think perspective creates everything and if you
You don't create the correct perspective, you will fall and you will not get back up. So it's how you view things that the things are actually like that. I don't know if I've
sense but your perspective or how you view things is what creates the whole your whole reality and if you don't appreciate if you don't have gratitude as an attitude you know everything will fall down
100%. You know, I think that, you know, this is a good note to be leaving off on and I definitely resonate with that. For me, there's a few keywords that I use which are clarity and a mantra that I always tell
myself is desperation blinds intuition. If you're, you know, with perspective, if that allows you to be acting in desperation, if rather than acting in authenticity, you're starting to act because you want to pump your own bags or you're trying to desperately achieve something.
that blinds the intuition and when the intuition is blind, you lose the perspective and you say and you become stagnant and then you lose who you are. And that's definitely something to watch out for in any path of life, any chapter of life that we all do.
Yeah, no, that is so beautifully said. Thank you, man. Well, I'm gonna let you have the rest of your evening back. I've do an awesome conversation. I'm not too active here in the space. I do
like ghosts drawing for projects and just kind of keep tabs on the people that I like to follow and it was really nice having this conversation. I really enjoyed it. I did have a question for you and if not no big deal. I do animation and I wasn't sure if you'd be comfortable
if I animated your you and post an animated conversation maybe with some clips from this and if not no big deal at all I was just thinking maybe if I could experiment with this clip but that totally ups you. Rather of course do I owe you something? Abs is fucking looting not.
No, I just I appreciate your time in conversation man. Oh Absolutely man go ahead, please Sounds good. Well, yeah, you know, I hit me up dude. I will send you that video of the Chigong practice that I do
But yeah, you know, let's definitely chat soon. I'm gonna go make some dinner for the little one, but really enjoy the conversation and yeah No, of course, man. I loved I loved it and I really appreciate you hitting me up to two
You know for this conversation and just to spill out some energy into the universe Yeah, dude anytime anytime and keep doing your thing, you know keep keep posting keep that perspective and that well-balanced You know mentality that you have going
on and you know I'm gonna I'm gonna end it here but I hope you have a good rest of your week and yeah I'll talk to you soon. I appreciate it man yeah so do you man my DMs are open thank you so much for this of course all right I'll talk to you later