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Welcome Builders! ICP world computer hacker league unite 🫡🧱
Recorded: July 17, 2025 Duration: 1:25:31Space Recording
Short Summary
The latest discussion on the ICP World Computer Hacker League highlights the excitement surrounding the upcoming hackathon, featuring over $300,000 in grants and prizes. Builders are encouraged to submit innovative projects, with a focus on collaboration and community growth within the blockchain ecosystem.
Full Transcription
Okay, we are back up and running.
We've had a couple technical difficulties.
Twitter likes to rug us these days.
I mean, it's called Rug Radio for a reason.
So just give us a moment.
We're going to get up and running.
I'm going to get our host today, which is myself, David Cash. I'm going to get my account up on
stage. We're going to be able to get this started just momentarily. I'm really excited about today's
spaces. We have an amazing group of speakers who are going to be joining us. And yeah, it's going
to be a really good one. So for everybody who's tuning in now, I appreciate you being here right
off the bat. If you happen to be listening to this right off the bat sorry if you happen to be listening to this after the fact um realistically
uh you probably want to fast forward probably about five minutes as we're just getting things
up and running um but we got we got we got speakers joining us up on stage i think we're
just going to start the conversation flowing and uh yeah it should be a good one so we're really
excited about today um let's build everybody uh this This is, I think we have five or six days left of the hackathon application process. So we're
getting close, but we are nonetheless very excited and we're really happy to see how many
builders are already submitting and integrating their products into this and their roadmaps into
this infrastructure that we have built this year around this four-month hackathon, which we're really, really excited about. Again, it's not just a one-day hackathon.
It's not just a 24-hour hackathon. This is a four-month hackathon with multiple phases,
with multiple aspects to it, and over $300,000 in prizes. So it's a big one. It's a big one.
So now I'm going to shut up on here, and I'm going to join on here.
Let me see.
Mike is...
But yet it doesn't...
I see.
Here we go.
I got like three phones in my hands, y'all.
So we make it work.
We make it work.
But very happy that we're up and running and rocking and rolling.
And Twitter spaces can't rug us that hard.
So, hey, Kat, how's it going?
Hey, good, chaotic morning, but let's send it out.
I'm going to send this space out to all the speakers at the moment.
Okay, perfect. Amazing.
Oh, JJ, have you met JJ? He's in here.
Hey, JJ.
I see he's up there.
Hey, how's it going?
What's up? I'm, how's it going? What's up?
I'm great.
How are you?
I'm good.
I think I'm having better AV than you are.
Apparently, apparently.
Yeah, you know, I feel like Twitter has, you know,
periodically declined in its quality of space
as they continue to build new products
and kind of, I guess, focus on Grok and whatnot.
It's probably crazy because so many people have done this already. as they continue to build new products and focus on Grok and whatnot.
It's kind of crazy because so many people have done this already.
There's so many apps that have audio.
But I noticed that Twitter Spaces half the time mutes my speaker or
the speaker's actual audio that we can hear because it's trying to interact with
the microphone at the same time.
For me, I'm just like,
that's pretty beginner code,
that switching between microphone and speakers.
And if the Twitter team can't get it together,
maybe they shouldn't have fired half of their people.
That part, that part.
You know that it's a problem when you fire all of your top engineers.
A year later, your product is, like, essentially broken.
But hey, you know what?
We're still here.
We still love to see it.
CT is real and active and live, and we are proof of that.
And it looks like we also got Mr. David Phelps up here as well.
Let's get you up here.
Yeah.
Have you guys all met each other?
I don't know if we have.
I don't know if we have.
It's very possible that we met at a conference,
and I don't recognize the face.
But David, great to have another David here and great to have another
builder here as well. I've heard very great things about you from Kat. So excited to have you here.
And we got the Crypto Monday, folks. I believe this might be Julie. Julie, if this is you,
send an emoji. But I just invited you up on stage to get things up and running. Again,
for anybody who's
listening after the fact, we're probably going to want to fast forward about five minutes
as we get things up and running. You know, the joys and the trials and tribulations of Twitter
spaces, you know, what can we do? Now that he said that, we have five minutes to say whatever
the hell we want. Exactly, exactly. So, you know, the gloves are
off. We have free reign, more or less. I think I'll even do the little thing where it, you know,
deletes the first few minutes of the spaces. So even more so than maybe normally. But you know
what? We got speakers up in here. We're getting things up and running. You know, everything
you know everything happens for a reason so
happens for a reason. So I'm confident that we're going to have an amazing conversation here today.
I'm confident that we're going to have an amazing conversation here today
and yeah really happy to
have you guys join us
why don't we just do a round just while we're getting things up and running
why don't we just do a round and everybody let us know
where you're joining from
and I don't know
when's the first time you heard about ICP let's do that
let's do a little round table
and then we'll actually get this conversation
probably up and running so
JJ you've been an absolute legend so far.
So let me start with you.
How are you doing?
Where are you joining us from today?
And what's your POV on ICP?
Hey, yeah, I'm Jarrell James at JJ Tech Boy Africa.
I am joining from Brooklyn, New York, as usual.
Forgetting what the other question prompts were,
but I work on a project called Parable.
We're doing a lot of crazy things that I'll get into later.
Generally, my memory of hearing about ICP the first time
was when I think it launched or was going to launch,
and everybody was like,
is it weird that they called themselves the Internet Computer? Then over the years, I actually think that it's just become kind of a fun
name. And I've seen some people name some things, some absolute crazy things. So I've come to
actually really like it more and more. And if you guys are going to host global hackathons that go
for four months, then I guess that's probably the right name for that protocol to do that is because there's a bunch of computers all over the world.
They're on the internet and we're having a hackathon.
And so I don't really know too much about what the outcomes and the hopes are of the
hackathon or what your guys' focuses are with those tracks yet, but excited to learn
and maybe I'll have our engineers throw some hats in the ring.
Absolutely.
And since you're in New York, you are our prime target, actually, at the moment.
And we'll dive in and give you the 360 view just as we're getting things up and running.
But really happy to have you here and excited to chat all things 1.3, all things, you know.
New tech, what's exciting?
You know, we're going to probably get into the whole agenda conversation realistically, just because we can't really avoid it these days. But yeah, very, very excited to
have you here and appreciate you taking the time. And yeah, if you're in New York, then you,
you fit the criteria of ICP Hub Canada and US specifically. So we'd love to have some of your
devs, you know, pitch a project, you know, participate in the hackathon to any extent.
Kat's even participating in the hackathon to, to a certain extent as well. So very excited about this. My first one.
First one. First hackathon. And I see Julie here. Julie, how are you? I haven't seen you in,
I feel like we saw each other in person in, I don't know, New York, Miami, something along
those lines at some point. But appreciate you joining us. Where are you joining us from today
and how are you? Well, I feel like, David, we meet each other in places where other people are just kind of passing each other by, right?
You know, we meet each other in airports, Miami, all the up and down the Eastern seaboard. And
it's great seeing you here because I didn't have to pack my bag and I didn't have to catch a plane,
which is unusual for me. So great to be here on the space. I am calling in from New York City, actually the Hamptons, because in the summer, that's what
we do in New York City, right? We go out to the Hamptons and I host Crypto Mondays pop-up in the
Hamptons. And we're doing a massive event on July 26th out here with a lot of high net worth folks.
So if someone's listening and they want to be a part of that, shoot me a DM and I'll send you a
message. But what I'm most excited about talking about high net worth is the Crypto Mondays chapters all over the world are celebrating with ICP hubs. The fact that you guys have got this $300,000 purse for the hackathons. This is massive for people who are devs who want to learn, who want to be a part of it, who want to be in. So if you're not sure how to get involved, you can always DM Crypto Mondays, New York City,
Crypto Mondays globally. We are everywhere with ICP, specifically here in North America. We love
our Canadian counterparts, Javi and the team coming down from Canada, down into New York,
and down the eastern seaboard. We're super excited. Thank you for asking us to participate.
And we can't wait to celebrate with the team that wins the massive amount of money that you guys are sharing
with these super smart teams. Amen to that. And always a pleasure to run into you, Julia, and
always even more of a pleasure when, again, we don't have to book a hotel and a train and a plane
and a plane, trains, and automobile situation to get to see each other.
So yeah, really appreciate you joining.
And I'm definitely feeling the FOMO for the Hamptons event.
I got the invite. Thank you so much.
I think that I'm in, I don't know, God knows where.
Asia, Europe, something.
I forgot what it was, but I'm sure it's going to be a fabulous event.
I can't wait to experience it virtually and see what it is that you guys are up to.
It seems gorgeous and very bougie, which for me is a very good thing.
So yeah, very happy to have you here, Julie. And yeah, let's continue passing the mic around the stage and then we'll actually officially get started. As you may or may not have seen,
I did pin at the top of the page for anybody who just wants to kind of peruse before I give you
the official spiel. You can check out the World Computer Hacker League website. There's a ton of
information there about all the tracks and all the elements of this. As Julie mentioned, we do have $300,000 in prizes. And that doesn't even
include the various grants and kind of ecosystem opportunities that also exist within the ICP
network. So this is a really big one. This is really exciting. I think if I'm not mistaken,
and I do believe I'm right with this, I think this is the largest hackathon that ICP has ever run.
They're doing it big. They're doing it right, and, you know, we're trying to really support
builders and inject some liquidity and some interest and some cash into the ecosystem,
which, you know, we all need, even in a bullish moment in the market when we're seeing some
all-time highs, we still do, of course, need to, yeah, need to support the builders and
support the people who are really, you know, at the core of this.
So speaking of builders, and David, I saw you coming in and out and I'd love to say hi.
And I'm not sure if we've ever gotten the pleasure of meeting in person, but Kat speaks
extremely highly of you.
David, where are you joining from today?
And how are you doing on this fine Thursday morning?
How's it going?
I'm also in New York right now.
The weather's holding up here, though.
Thank God.
A rarity in July.
Yeah, thanks for having me.
I'm David.
I'm a co-founder of a project called Joke Race, where we enable on-chain contests on
about 30 different chains, including a lot of hackathons, actually.
And I would actually say the sweet spot is probably demo days.
So we just launched a way where people can vote and earn.
So when they vote, they buy up votes their
funds go into a rewards pool if you vote on the winners then you claim the rewards pool so you
can actually earn and you're actually incentivized to participate in things like demo days where you
can vote on on who wins so yeah that's that's a bit of backstory and excited to chat more
beautiful beautiful we appreciate you joining here today. And, you know, it seems like a lot of folks
are in New York at the moment.
We got three for three so far.
But, you know, I'm here in Toronto, up in Canada,
so we're in the Canadian equivalent.
So, you know, we're representing the East Coast hard today.
And Kat is here as our token West Coaster,
you know, repping hard from Vancouver.
So, you know, we've got representation
across the country, across the continent. And that's really what this is all
about. I mean, this is, this is, and will continue to be a global hackathon. We have ICP hubs all
over the world who are popping up and activating their various communities in China, across Africa,
across Europe, across Asia, South America. And, you know, this really is a global initiative.
And what I'm particularly excited about is throughout the various rounds of this,
we're almost, it's almost like, and this is the weirdest analogy to make in a CT spaces,
but it's almost like a beauty pageant where we got the local edition, we got the regional edition,
then we got the global edition, and we continue kind of moving up the ladder and getting higher
and higher, you know, quality and promise in terms of prizes, in terms of opportunities.
And something that's been floated to me quite a few times over the course of the past few weeks and months is that as people navigate through the various phases of this hackathon,
you will start getting more and more opportunities, not just for grants and prizes, which is obviously a large part of this and why devs want to participate in this,
but also to investment opportunities, to mentorship from people within the ICP network,
as well as funds that are very active within this community.
And Javier, who is the lead and fearless leader of ICP Hub Canada in the US,
also does run Quantum Leap Labs.
You can see them in the audience here with the gold checkmark.
So again, for anybody listening now or after the fact,
do check out Quantum Leap Labs.
They are one of the leading accelerators in the ICP ecosystem
and they are going to, they have been
and are going to be extremely active
in the proliferation of teams that are successful
within this infrastructure.
So super, super excited.
Now I'm not going to go too deep
and hardcore and heady because I really do want to take some time to get to all of our speakers and
hopefully, you know, spark some interest, spark some inspiration for some of the builders who
are joining here today who might be submitting projects, who might be considering submitting
projects. And we really want to encourage you to do that because this is a hackathon that is
accessible for anybody. It's not location dependent. You can submit from anywhere in the world.
And you can do it right here, right now from your computer.
You have less than a week left to apply and to submit yourself and submit your team for this hackathon.
We're almost there.
We're nearing the finale of this initial pre-round.
And then, yeah, this is going to be taking place over the course of four months.
We're going to be going through to October when there's going to be a grand finale.
And if teams continue to work through the various phases of this, like we've kind of alluded to and mentioned, we have over $300,000 in prizes, not including all of the grants and incredible opportunities that exist within the ICP ecosystem.
I don't know if this is an official communication, so take it for what you will. I'm doing it from my account intentionally. But I've heard from some
trusted sources that if you make it relatively far in this competition, you have a very good
chance of also getting some of ICP's like 100K grants for any really promising projects on top
of the various prizes that exist within this program. And then again, access to VC ecosystems such as Quantum Leap Labs and their accelerator,
as well as a number of other kind of leading players within this, within the space, within
this ecosystem.
So super excited, excited to start supporting some builders, would love to kind of chat
through some use cases and things that we think are relevant right now in the market,
you know, spark some interest, spark some, spark some maybe vibe coding or some legit coding, or I don't want to say that vibe coding is not
legit coding.
Cat would probably kill me.
But yeah, we're very excited to have us all here today and to have a conversation about
what's exciting in the market, what do we need, what tools are we still looking for,
and what can we build as part of this?
Because the categories for this, I know you touched on this, JJ, the categories for this
hackathon are quite broad. I believe there's nine different categories. You can see them all
on the website. And I might share a pinned tweet momentarily with just a little bit more information
on that as well. But there's, you know, ICP, one of the cool things about ICP is that, you know,
we're talking multi-chain. We're talking about interconnectivity across blockchain. So if you're
a builder in the Bitcoin ecosystem, if you're a builder in the Ethereum ecosystem, if you're a builder in the Solana ecosystem, if you enjoy building AI agents,
if you haven't really coded before and you've just been vibe coding some apps and daps on your
own free time, there is a category for you. So we really do encourage people to submit.
You do have, you know, a decent chance of getting through to the first few rounds because these are
a little bit broader.
But as the rounds continue to progress, they're going to be selecting smaller and smaller groups of folks who've progressed quite significantly on their project all the way through to the finale, which is going to be happening again in October.
So lots happening, lots on the fly.
Really excited about this.
And yeah, let's build, let's grow.
And I see Creatress has also joined us, a personal favorite of mine.
I feel like, you know, when we're talking about builders, a lot of the time,
the artists and the creatives and the marketers and the strategists often get overlooked. And
I know Creatress has supported the ICB ecosystem in the past. So yeah, I appreciate you taking the
time to join. And if I'm not mistaken, because we were DMing before this, I think Creatress is
at the nail salon right now actively. So whether or not you're able to speak,
much love to you and appreciate you joining us. And I still stand behind this, but my little bit
of unrelated alpha is if you ever want to write off a nail salon meeting, have a meeting during
your nail appointment. I highly recommend this. This is financial advice. Have a meeting during
your nail appointment and expense it because you can. So why not? Why not? So with all of that being
said, and, you know, kind of getting a little bit sidetracked, I do just want to draw your attention
to two quick things before we dive in to today's conversation, which again, I'm very excited about
took us a minute to get started, but we're here. We're up running. We're live. Two things. One of
them is we do have a pinned tweet right now at the top of the page. I probably will pin several other
tweets over the course of the next hour or so, but do check out the link at the top
of this pinned tweet if you want to learn more about the World
Computer Hacker League. And I do want to draw your attention to one thing, particularly if you do
submit, please do us the favor of, and it does say this in the pinned tweet right
above us, when you register and it gives you a place to put which hub you are associated with,
when you have to put what hub you're associated with, do make sure to put ICP Hub Canada and
US because that is who we are here because of, that is who is bringing us all together
here today, and we want to give them their flowers
and make sure that they, Javier and the whole team,
get recognized for all the amazing work that they do
for this ecosystem.
So that's my housekeeping here today.
And then as always, if anybody has any questions,
if anybody has any thoughts that they want to share
that they absolutely cannot wait to share
and would like to put into the ethos right away,
do feel free to tap that little speech bubble
at the bottom right-hand corner of your screen.
Send some love, send some hate comments.
Do what you've got to do.
But let us know what you're thinking,
and we'd love to get you up here
and, yeah, get you in the conversation.
And speaking of, I see also the Omniti folks have joined.
I'm not sure if it's Sheldon behind the account
or somebody else on the team,
but I appreciate you guys being here as well.
Speaking of cross-chain infrastructure, I think that you guys are one of the best doing it big.
So, yeah, very excited about our panel of speakers here today.
I think the first question that I'm going to spark, just because it is kind of timely and for anybody who is listening, who is a builder and who is interested in submitting, we want to give you a little bit of inspo here today. We want to excite you and let you know what's going on and what you
should be potentially considering building or maybe validate some of your ideas of what you're
already building. So I do encourage folks who do have questions and who want to engage with some of
the speakers up here today, shoot us a DM, make a comment, raise your hand, come up on stage, join us.
We want to keep this as open of a conversation as possible.
And with all of that being said, let's start passing the mic around properly.
So JJ, we passed it to you right off the bat.
And I feel like I put you on the spot a little bit.
So let's back it up and let's give you a real question.
And then I'd love to pass this around the stage.
So maybe we'll go with you next, David, just in case you have a hard out on the hour.
And then Julie and then hopefully
Sheldon or whoever's at the Omni account as well. We'd love to pass this around. But what is one
trend right now? And if you have to say two or three, I won't hold it against you. What is one
trend right now that you think is actually relevant and something that is maybe not saturated
and needs to be developed further as it stands right now? This can be something cross-chain,
this can be something specific tochain, this can be something
specific to an ecosystem, not even the ecosystem as a whole, because again, ICP is all about the
multi-chain facilitation of infrastructure. We need to be able to move across blockchains more
seamlessly than we currently can. So yeah, JJ, let's start with you. I would love to get your
take, your POV on what's one trend right now that maybe isn't being capitalized on or exploited or kind of pushed to the limit as much as it can be right now.
Yeah, thanks for the question.
We'll also say that was just, David, some of the best long-term vamping I've heard in a while.
I respect how long you have to get the stage set and everything get ready for the actual conversation.
I would say that an underexplored aspect isn't really underexplored.
I think we've always known that stablecoins were the actual product of smart contract ecosystems, right?
And what's maybe now just starting to get explored, or maybe it's just like power is finally being disseminated, is that people are actually building projects for whole regions of the world that are, you know, focused on simply just getting stable coins in and out and getting people focused on not even just like having their savings in stable coins, but using stable coins as kind of an onboarding into the greater crypto
ecosystem and so i think like everyone has been talking about you know stable coins in general
so it's not necessarily under exploited or under explored um but the mediums with which we are
actually getting distribution of these stable coins i think that is starting to be just dramatically
coins, I think that is starting to be just dramatically.
I think the imagination behind it is getting dramatically bigger.
A lot of times I've said in the past that D-PIN is probably one of the tranches of this
industry, the pillar of this industry that gets a lot of attention to a couple of teams
that are really overvalued, but the actual industry and the tranche itself is really
undervalued and under indexed in people's minds.
So I'm really happy to see that there's been some cool,
push some cool projects pushing the boundaries
of basically using D-PIN as an onboarding tool
for millions of people to get involved
in stable coin infrastructure or just get in using D-P deep and stablecoins to get them just into the door of
the greater crypto ecosystem and financial tooling in general.
That crosses boundaries and of regulation as well as international borders.
I would probably end this with saying the one piece that I think is
really depressing
about a lot of this development and we see a lot of institutional money also getting
behind stable coins and even now starting to get behind some deep end projects.
We have to remember that like with that exposure seems to come the erosion of privacy and these
populations that find this type of product product market fit valuable these go to
market strategies valuable they still deserve just as much privacy as when we were interested in
those populations and by that I mean like oftentimes what people call the global south or what we at
Parable would call leapfrog regions we seem to see privacy kind of falling to the wayside for those
populations as we see these blockchain or smart
contract tooling or products be introduced to those populations. So that's one area where I'm
very, very kind of like hesitant to see this bubble start to rise because I want to see it rise with
privacy-preserving tech firmly locked in place and the sovereignty of these populations no longer
being things that are um you know maintaining the sovereignty of the populations and not making them
these these more like uh well you know extractive business models that come out of the crypto
ecosystem previously towards the global south so as these new forms of onboarding as these new
forms of tools and stable coins as a whole start to bring value, real value to these communities.
I really hope to see that privacy and sovereignty are really maintained and we see some solid growth because that's what I think actually happens for when people say,
how are you going to bring on the next billions? Like that's actually how you bring on the next billion is that you build tools like what Parable's building,
which is like we build internet hubs that stay online even when the grid goes down.
Those are tools that those communities actually need.
That's the reason why they aren't online for the most part,
went to hang out and send transactions back and forth and all of these different things.
It's like the power goes out.
We focus on keeping internet hubs online when the power goes out. So we focus on keeping, you know, internet hubs online when the power, you know,
when the power goes out no matter what. And that there expands people's productivity by, you know,
tenfold. So yeah, just kind of focused on maintaining sovereignty, privacy, and actually building products that go to these regions and bring stable coins and general crypto value.
Beautiful, beautiful answer. And I feel like it was just yesterday when a lot of us were on like Clubhouse talking about, you know, the real world use cases of a lot of this technology and how this can actually help a lot of people.
And, you know, blockchain fixes this and all these lovely things. So I think it's really refreshing to hear this once again.
And, you know, obviously we're in the world of stablecoin, very, you know, consistent growth over the course of the past year or two.
The RWA trend has really, I think, sparked a lot of builders to kind of start pushing and start
building. But at the same time, you know, I've had a couple conversations recently where folks have
kind of criticized a lot of stablecoin projects because they're not actually tied to, you know,
an actual dollar, this or that. So yeah, I think that we do need a lot of kind of baseline
infrastructure and power is a huge one.
So very excited to hear more about what you're building there.
And I'd love to pass it over to you again and maybe learn a little bit more about Parable and the work you guys are doing.
But yeah, great take. Great take. Appreciate you being here and appreciate this POV.
Same question. I'd love to pass around to just a couple of other speakers.
And I do see we've also got Altcoin Audrey. Audrey Nesbitt also joined us up on stage, so big GM and welcome.
Hey, welcome.
I'd love to pass this over to Mr. David Phelps while we still have you here.
David, I know that you're building at the speed of light, mostly within the Ethereum ecosystem, but also beyond.
on, would love to get your POV on. What's new? What's interesting? What is maybe an undervalued
Would love to get your POV on. What's new? What's interesting?
vertical that you hope to see more builders capitalizing on and hopefully maybe even
integrating into their projects? Excuse me. Yeah. Yeah. It's good timing because I'm actually just
about to launch a piece on this on something I call persuasion markets. So I think probably
everyone here knows about prediction markets. And in a prediction market, people are trading basically a bet on whether or not something will happen.
But you see, if you saw what happened with the Zelensky suit, where people were saying,
will Zelensky wear a suit? And then he wore this kind of ambiguous garment that kind of was a suit.
It got very subjective very quickly. And it was no longer easy to just objectively say,
oh, yes, you're wearing a suit. You actually needed people to subjectively come in
and open up this whole market on whether or not you even consider that a suit at all.
And so that's what I would call persuasion market. A persuasion market is subjective decisions
and subjective markets where people are trying to rally each other to agree, but using the
financial incentives to actually kind of make those decisions. So I'll give a few more examples too. So like Noise,
which is building on MegaEth, is basically a perps platform for mindshare. So they're using
Kaido to basically judge the mindshare that someone or a project has on Twitter. And then
you can basically trade to say, I think it's gonna get more mind share.
I think it's gonna get less mind share.
What's interesting about this is like,
you can actually contribute to that mind share, right?
Like you could go and long ICP and then go start tweeting
about ICP a lot and getting people excited about it.
And now you're actually like supporting ICP
and you're actually gaining from that too, right?
Cause you longed it.
So like that's a persuasion market.
And I think it's like an interesting alternative
to a lot of what we've seen so far
with stuff like meme coins and creator coins,
where there's a lot of excitement
that you'd be able to go out and support creators
by buying their token.
But ultimately, because those are meme coins,
everyone is dumping them quickly
because they're concerned others are going to dump.
So when you start actually tethering that
to something like Mindshare metric, then you actually, you know,
instead of directly trading a creator's value, you're effectively trading a derivative of it.
But accepting that the value is already out there, not something you can directly control,
which I think is important. So noise would be a good example of that. I think a lot of stuff with
futarchy is similar. And then I think, you know, the stuff we're building where you have contests where people are coming in and they're having to decide,
you know, what a winner is. So again, let's take the example of a demo day. You have eight projects,
everyone's watching and they're deciding, you know, who won the demo day. So what we just added
is a way where you can vote in a price curve. And what that means is that if you vote early,
when it's not clear who the winner is, you can buy votes for a lot cheaper.
So you're actually incentivized to vote with conviction on what you actually believe and
then to try to go persuade others of that too, right?
And be like, come vote for me, support this thing.
I want to win this.
Like, this is why they matter.
And so what you actually build around this is like, it's not about, you know, ultimately
like what the best decision is, because that itself is subjective.
What it's about is an incentive mechanism to get people to care, right?
And to actually drive attention.
So when people are watching the demo day and they're all coming in and they're all voting
on, you know, who's going to win and you're trying to get your friends to vote, everyone's
learning about these projects.
All these projects win from that mechanism being there because people are coming in and supporting them and learning about them and then expressing
their support publicly on chain in ways that then they could get benefits from these projects as
well. So I think this kind of vertical of what I call persuasion markets, I think it's in many
ways kind of a new thing that a lot of projects are experimenting with. It's also in some ways
the oldest thing. Any blockchain is literally just a bunch of validators coming together and
voting on whether or not a transaction is legitimate or not. And that's the persuasion
market as well. I mean, we call them consensus mechanisms for a reason. Consensus is necessary.
We all need to get on the same page. So I love it. I love it. I love it. 100%. Yeah. Yeah. So
yeah, you all got a sneak peek
should be publishing this probably within the next day
so good timing
and thanks for having me on I appreciate it
of course and yeah send it to us
I think that deserves at the very least a retweet
and some context
I will mention that you maybe
pseudo debuted it on Spaceless
I think that's a pretty sexy
lead magnet so I love it I love it I think that's a pretty sexy lead magnet.
So I love it.
I love it.
I think this is very cool.
You know, it's not just Polymarket anymore.
We're going beyond.
We're going to persuasion markets where we're integrating actual on-chain activity within
the fabric of, yeah, the activities that we're pursuing.
And at the end of the day, what is a blockchain without its community and without people,
you know, pushing consensus and pushing for what they need, want, would like to see?
And that's the purpose of all of this. So, David, great take.
We'd love to see more people building out some more very practical kind of infrastructure throughout this hackathon and throughout this process.
I see a lot of apps. I see a lot of dApps.
But I don't necessarily see a lot of kind of like innovative takes on kind of, you know, pushing some of these concepts forward.
So I would love to see more of that.
And also, if anybody's interested, do make sure you're following David and check out that article and ask any questions that you may have.
And once again, just doing my doing my lovely job here as moderator.
But if anybody does have any questions for our speakers that you would like to make sure that we get to within the next hour or so. We are still going to be live for about another 50 minutes. Do make sure to tap that little speech
bubble at the bottom right-hand corner of your screen and say hello and let us know what you're
thinking. I would love to have you up here and also feel free to raise your hand if you'd just
like to pop up and ask a question. So with that being said, I'd love to keep passing the mic down
the stage. I'm excited about this question and I think it's quite relevant. So Julie, if you're
around and able, we'd love to pass it over to you.
And I know that you have a ton of exposure through Crypto Mondays and also all the other amazing work that you do across advisory, investment, etc.
What are some trends that you're seeing right now that you feel like might be underutilized, undercapitalized on?
And what would you like some folks to what would you like to see some folks who decide to click the link that's pinned up above
and go through and actually submit their project and submit their idea for the World Computer Hackathon
to kind of, you know, dive into. Would love to get your take, Julie.
Oh, I feel like it might just be me, but I feel like it might be, we might be getting rugged at the moment. Can folks hear Julie?
I can hear you. I can't hear Julie.
Oh, RIP. Julie, you may have to pop out and pop back in. I don't know, Twitter's being
especially volatile today. I don't know. They probably pushed a new Grok update or something.
God knows. But let's get you up here and uh
i feel like now we're gonna ask grok a question and it's just gonna like pop in and start talking
to us live in his twitter spaces so hey anything's possible um but while we get julie up here uh i
did see audrey you're you're alive and in living color so maybe we'll just pass the same question
to you and then we'll get julie back up here uh and continue the flow of the conversation great
i'm excited about a lot of stuff and to touch back on the privacy issue brought up,
I find that interesting.
And I'm happy to be working on a product called SilentSwap,
which is doing private swaps with no custodian.
We don't take custodian of the tokens, nothing.
It's just like holding up a little blanket while you do your trades.
And for that reason, it's amazing how much is
tracked online uh on chain and with ai getting more sophisticated it's going to become a bigger
and bigger issue and on that it'll be interesting to see what happens with tornado cash and the
lawsuits right now to see how that's going to affect privacy on chain. What I'm excited about, and I think it's happening,
but still slowly. And it's like you mentioned stable coins and institutions are coming in
with stable coins. And I think what's still missing is educating the masses about not just
stable coins, but how they can be making money and earning yield in DeFi products. So once they're
into, because it's like now we're
getting the masses into crypto, into Bitcoin and Ethereum, at least the major caps, and then to
educate them more as to how much, when they can become the bank, they can lend, they can loan and
do all those things. And I think it's coming, but it's just not there yet.
No, absolutely. Absolutely. I think that's a great take.
And, you know, a lot of the time, sometimes people criticize, you know, the crypto world in the Web3 space as, you know, being kind of focused on financial instruments.
But at the same time, you know, anybody who has any money in their bank, are you not putting that in a high yield savings account?
You know, if you could earn a higher APY because you have more knowledge on DeFi systems, like, would you not do that? So I feel like it is really kind of a base,
almost like onboarding mechanism that's almost necessary for people to really get crypto pilled
and to really, you know, believe in the system because it's actually benefited them. So
I actually think that's a great take and I would love to see more financial use cases.
We actually had a very interesting speaker on last week who was speaking about an accounting use case that he was building out within the ICP ecosystem. And we want to see
more institutional plays. We want to see more infrastructure developed. This is really necessary.
So I think that's a great take and appreciate you being here as well, Audrey. Julie, are we back
we back back in live and living color can we can we pass over to you oh are we feeling it i feel
in live and living color? Can we pass over to you? Are we feeling it? I feel like I'm back.
like i'm back we're feeling it i can hear you loud and clear the hampton the hampton's air is uh is
giving your voice a lovely ring to it as well so let me tell you i'll pass it over to you if we
still remember the same question yeah of course of course following up after audrey is quite um it's
an honor and a pleasure to be able to see so many ladies here on the stage and thank you for
recognizing the footprint that we all have here i'm going to share with you with all of the 10 years of being in crypto and 30 being in event production
and producing, I need real world solutions. We all have real world assets. I get it. Many of us do.
I need to know that my local communities have the ability to use the tools that we're building.
So real world solutions is my focus over the next year with investments and
what we put up on stages all over the world with NFT VIP,
with the ticketing solution.
One thing that's popped up that I want to see more builders actually build.
And if somebody is listening and they haven't signed up for the hackathon yet,
you have one more week to sign up with your team,
sign up through the North American enclave that we have,
because that's where we are based all here. Certainly many of us in the North American enclave that we have because that's where we are based all here,
certainly many of us in the North American continent, and we want you to get credit for
being here. One thing I really would like to see more of is this real-world solution for healthcare.
So many of us don't end up leaving our homes within 25 miles of it, so besides healthcare,
I think the other solution is help those local communities have the tools that we're building because hair salons, nail salons, tattoo parlors,
bodegas, grocery stores, these companies need to learn that this self-custodial,
owning your own data, and also stable coins are a way for you to be able to provide an and for
your clients to come in. If I get paid by you, David, in crypto,
I'm going to keep that money in crypto. But maybe I want to spend it in my local vendors in my local
area and not turn it into fiat. When I go to the doctor, I want to own my own data when I step
into that. So if there are some builders out there that are figuring out how to keep money
in your local communities and also be able to work real world solutions in healthcare,
I think you've got
a winner. I love this take as well. I love this take as well. You know, anytime that people are
trying to onboard local, I feel like that is one of the most immediate and necessary things that we
can all do. And I mean, Julie, you and Lou and the whole Crypto Mondays crew are really at the
forefront of this because globally, you know, you're bringing builders together, you're bringing
people together locally and really onboarding. Yeah, onboarding the masses piece by piece, because, you know, there are a
lot of aspects to this, you know, there's the the high level kind of institutional play where you
can, you know, integrate a currency or work with a government or work with something very overarching.
But at the same time, you know, a lot of these concepts need to actually be broken down and
explained to folks beyond kind of the super, super high level. So if people actually want to
integrate blockchain into their business, people actually want to integrate blockchain
into their business, if they want to start bringing some of their user data on chain,
if they want to start storing some of their, you know, backend on chain or whatever that looks like,
or have an on-chain access point, you do really have to have some level of literacy. So I do think
it's super important. And I would love to see some folks who are pitching, I believe Kat actually,
this may, it might be something relevant to what, if I'm not mistaken, I think you're building a dating app or something to that effect.
But yeah, I want to see more of these real world use cases integrated in some of these,
not mundane, but kind of day-to-day, you know, experiences that we have every day. You know,
like you said, the hair salon, the grocery store, you know, how can we actually integrate?
How can blockchain help make our lives slightly easier
throughout all these processes?
We have that as an opportunity.
And right now you can get rewarded
for building some of these solutions
directly through programs like this hackathon.
And yeah, we're at a really cool time in the market
in terms of, you know, creating infrastructure
and creating opportunity.
And we're very proud to be helping facilitate this.
So flowers to you, Julie,
flowers to the entire Crypto Monday world ecosystem and community.
And speaking of leaders in this infrastructure, in this community, in this ecosystem, I'd love to pass the mic over to the Omnity folks.
Sheldon, is that you back there?
We'd love to get your bullish take on what you'd like to see more people building.
And maybe it's some interconnectivity between Omnity and ICP.
But I'll let you talk
about that some more. Happy to have you here. Yeah. Hey, David, thanks for having us on. It
is I, Sheldon. Appreciate the shout outs. We definitely want to see people doing more with
real world assets, with on-chain data that makes sense. I usually give people a hard time about
solution engineering because they don't look before they leap. They just get excited and go,
hey, dating app on-chain. I'm not judging anybody who wants to put a dating
app on chain, but I would not have been proud to find my Tinder profile immutably stored somewhere.
I'm very happy to be off Tinder and happily dating somebody who I'm very fond of.
But at the same time, I think Cash versus Capital, when Omni first came out, which was the first place that USDT
Bitcoin asset, right? It was a sort of data standard on Bitcoin. And I think that's an
important sort of reminder for us of how we started all this, not because Bitcoin is important
or because stable coins are necessary and different than Bitcoin, but because there is a really
dramatic difference between capital and cash.
You know, it's not that like after $10,000 cash starts becoming capital, but after $10,000,
we start thinking of the possibility of cash as capital really below that.
You know, $10,000 does not buy you that much today.
You really can't buy most cars below 10K.
In this room, I assume we'll spend 10K on their rent if you're living in the U.S. over the next year.
It's just odds are.
So there's a dramatic difference in applications that we might want to focus on.
And I think that sometimes that means that, hey, Bitcoin is capital and we want to lend and borrow it away for different purposes.
and borrow it away for different purposes.
But it also means that there's a difference
in sort of like value targets, value proposition,
what application services businesses want to do.
So on the one hand, I see a lot of desire
to move cash on chain and to take advantage
of the new progress in digitized cash,
not because it's made that much progress,
but because it's made that much more progress in acceptance. You know, I appreciate that very much. But I want to see a
better understanding of that being applied to use cases that are both cross-chain and respect the
difference between capital and cash. What I mean by that is that capital, you know, can wait more
than 10 minutes to make a movement.
Cash really can't. Cash needs to be swiped now. You're buying dinner, you're at a vending machine,
you know, something needs to happen right now. I totally understand why cash is the appropriate use case for that. And that means that there is somewhere in the background of that vending
machine of that restaurateur, you know, there is some capital that underpens
their business, not just because insurance is part of a, you know, fabric of centralized finance
that just backs up a whole bunch of things today, but because there's a much larger and more dramatic,
you know, sort of business environment where less is more. So I think that if we see more
cash applications that are cross-chain,
we'll see people using Omniti's tooling, which is built directly into ICP. Friendly reminder for
anybody who's not aware, when you're using Omniti, you're really just using ICP. We're really not
doing a whole heck of a lot else besides orchestrating ICP and building some features
on top of it. But the TypeScript SDK that makes up the front end of RichSwap, the first open
source text that we launched about six months ago, that's something that we're going to be releasing in the near future with some API partners that I can't denounce yet.
If you already build in Bitcoin, you probably already have tested or use those APIs.
But we think that that's the balance that we want to see where front ends of applications are very, very cache sensitive.
to see where front ends of applications are very, very cash sensitive.
You know, they need to move fast, take actions quickly, sometimes touch Bitcoin very quickly
and then move on to the next thing.
But, you know, the more capital intensive, the more, you know, focuses on larger amounts
of money in general, the more money we're talking about, the more we need to think about
risk.
So I think in, you know, cash applications and cash environments, we need to think about risk. So I think in, you know,
cash applications and cash environments, we're getting smarter about risk. That includes privacy.
Until I started working for Omnid Network, you really could not find me online unless I wanted
you to because I'm a big privacy advocate myself. But at the same time, that means that there has
to be a balance of this, you know, motivation to sort of displace risks and increase the
velocity of money.
I can send somebody a gold bar in the mail right now.
Anybody who ever advises you to do that is nuts.
Don't listen to them.
So I think there's a relatively good balance coming around.
And I think one of those balances is very, very silently dows in governance.
I'm not going to spend a lot of time talking about Polymarket, but most people forget that Polymarket is actually an UMA product.
UMA's DVM or data verification module, I think it's called.
That's really what our data verification mechanism.
That's what underpins that entire capital market moving back and forth where lots of people are throwing in their cash.
that entire capital market moving back and forth where lots of people are throwing in their cash.
They're trying to, you know, experience a cash gain out of something like, hey, is Zelensky
going to wear a suit or not? And I think that's perfectly viable to do. But I also think that the,
you know, the system for the DVM that includes sort of slashing and gaining assets based on
your correctness and that correctness being verified by
a group of disconnected individuals. Like that's a really good use case for insurance being
different. Like in the modern era, I think there could be a debate on what is and isn't force
majeure. You know, force majeure is not designed to anticipate climate crises and strange bank
collapses and, you know, government actions that
are not precedented. So there's a whole world of centralized finance that has a home in DeFi.
And that is not, you know, bonk moving back and forth or Farcoin launching. You know, it is
capital, it is people. And it's a lot more about the velocity of money and the risk of handling money as capital.
So I want to see more intelligence on the risk side is the short answer.
I absolutely love that. And I feel like that also kind of circles back to some of these,
again, real world use cases, on-chain dating profiles aside, and I can resonate with that as
someone in a seven-year relationship as well. But you know what? The real world use cases,
especially as it pertains to brick and mortar businesses, banks, governments,
these types of things, and actually considering the risk beyond just like MECA compliance or GDPR compliance and actually kind of diving in and figuring out what this means from a day-to-day
business operational perspective, I think is really important. And also just giving you the flowers that you more than deserve for kind of, you know, not kind of being the leader
in this infrastructure implementation, especially within the Bitcoin ecosystem. That's how we had
the pleasure of meeting, I know. So yeah, you guys are absolutely leading the charge and would love
to see more folks pushing and implementing these types of, you know, real world use cases. And I know
we say that a lot in this space, but we really do mean it. And I feel like this really is an
important aspect of these types of opportunities, especially when there's grants available,
when some of these use cases might even be something where you could build out the MVP
principally with just a UI UX design, and then start building from there. I really do encourage
folks who are listening now or after the fact to consider what, what, you know, problems, what pain points you experience
on a day to day basis going about your daily lives and figuring out, you know, what could you build
to improve some of those experiences, even just slightly, because, you know, convenience is king,
and everybody wants to do everything a little bit easier. And especially if we can make something
safer, better, faster, stronger, that is kind of a best case scenario and a best case use case
for ICP, for blockchain in general. And yeah, that's why we're here. So just doing my,
just doing my, oh yeah, please. I see the unmute. Sheldon, go for it.
Oh, just real quick. I have a hard stop on the hour, but I'll be back in a few minutes after
if y'all are still going. But yeah, we're definitely happy to see folks building with ICP
and that sort of mindset that is, you know, to grow the larger market
because ICP is well-focused outside of Bitcoin, Fartcoin.
You know, there's a very local service addressable market
that we know can use interoperability today.
But, you know, being the one app that abstracts away from everything
usually doesn't solve that. You've got to work in pieces. So we're very happy to be one of those
pieces and I'll definitely be back in a few minutes. Beautiful. Really appreciate you taking
the time, Sheldon. I know how busy you are. So always a pleasure to be able to have you here
and share a stage with you. So yeah, great take and very much appreciate your time and your
presence. I see a couple of people from the audience, a couple of folks have joined us up on stage as well, and we'd love to make some time for
some questions, for some pitches, for some ideas. So also just want to encourage anybody who is
listening right now, or after the fact, who is interested, who wants to learn more, who wants
to kind of dive into opportunities within this grant ecosystem, within this hackathon, do take
a moment and click the link at the top of the page on this
pinned tweet. If you go through this little piece of infrastructure, you can check out all of the
information, all of the tracks, all of the timelines, deadlines, etc. You know, based on this, on this
lovely hackathon that we're kind of facilitating. And this is once again, I'll go back to the first
thing I said, because we have a few more people in here now. This is a four-month hackathon.
This isn't just a weekend hackathon or a 24-hour quick building cycle, not to discount those in any way, shape, or form.
But this is really an opportunity to build something robust, to build something legitimate as a project.
You could launch a company through this type of infrastructure.
And we do have $300,000 in prizes available throughout the various phases, the local, regional and global phases of this hackathon. So really excited to be promoting this, to be facilitating this, to be you know, submit and to, you know, be a part
of this. And we'd love to also continue passing the mic around the stage and hearing from some
of the folks who took time out of their very busy schedules to join us here today on, yeah,
what it is that you're building and why we need it and why more people should be building maybe
adjacent or related products within infrastructure. So I see Mohammed's about to chime in.
I'd love to pass it over to you,
but I'll just do my last piece of due diligence here
and just also remind folks,
if you do have a pressing question,
maybe you're a little bit mic shy
and you don't wanna raise your hand and come up here,
also do feel free to click that little purple button
at the bottom right-hand corner.
And yeah, ask a question, say hi,
let us know what you're thinking. So with all that being said,. Are you there? And what would you like to hear with us?
You're a little bit muffled can everybody hear Muhammad, okay? I
See thumbs down I say nice
Are you having me baby I can? I can hear you about 70%
now. Maybe just go a little bit closer to your mic and let's see if we can make this happen.
Okay, nice to meet you. Before, what I understand with ICP is like the way that we can transfer packages from one point to the destination
but when I met with the Omniti network
I understand they are even trying to move the Bitcoin from its current stage
to a stage where it can be programmed
So can you differentiate between blockchain technology and how you use the ICP to build your own infrastructure?
I could just shortly say that there's not a difference because of the Bitcoin subnet.
There's a number of 17 to 34 Bitcoin full nodes that are built into ICP directly.
It's on the hour, so I got to hop.
But that is the way that actual Bitcoin is touched by ICP. And it's not that ICP is a layer two,
it's not. But the existence of the Bitcoin subnet, the acceptance of Bitcoin by ICP and the
DFINITY Foundation, that's handled in governance. It wasn't just a decision by the foundation.
So that's really critical to the future of Bitcoin development in ICP. And yeah, that's how we operate. So appreciate you guys. I'll be back as soon as I can. Cheers.
somebody who's quite active in the ecosystem and has seen a bunch of very interesting use cases
pop up. If you look at Odin.fun, Odin.fun is a runes platform. It's very Bitcoin centric. It's
very, you know, UTXO based, all of this, but they actually do, they have a validation layer that
runs directly on ICP. So it's almost like an adjacent piece of infrastructure. So these,
you can think of these things as complimentary, not competitive. And I think that's actually one
of the core differentiators of ICP is ICP is really trying to facilitate a multi-chain future where we can more seamlessly, and Sheldon alluded to this, but where we can more seamlessly move throughout various blockchain ecosystems and actually kind of move towards this idea of interoperability that we've all been kind of fantasizing about and talking about for the past, you know, X number of years. And in this case, we don't really mean interoperability just between, you know, virtual spaces,
but actual interoperability in its core sense where, you know, even just a couple of years ago,
we'd have to use, we were kind of relegated to tools like, I don't know, Stargate Finance or something
to actually be able to move assets or be able to move anything across various blockchains and, you know,
do swaps, do bridges, all of those things.
But now, you know, this is so much more ubiquitous.
This is so much more standardized thanks to, you know, ecosystems that have been built,
such as ICP.
So I'm not sure if we fully answered your question.
It was a little bit muffled on our end as well, but I'm very happy to have you here.
And if you want to reiterate any other aspects of this question or others, do feel free to
pop back up here or write a little comment
again in that lower right hand corner.
Would love to get more takes from you.
I also see Annie.
I'm Annie memes.
The meme guy.
So I don't know if you're Annie or if you're the meme guy, but I see you raised your hand
and wanted to come up here.
So I would love to pass the mic over to you if you have a question or anything you'd like
to you. If you have a question or anything you'd like to share.
Going once, going twice. You may or may not be muted.
GMGM, everyone.
I clicked on the hackathon link. So I went
through the
the write-up and i went through the page and i i read something that you
i'm i'm actually confused i don't actually know what because i have
word because i have a form of um decks whereby i've had this idea of my own self like recently
and i've been on the story ecosystem for a while so i've had this idea to like build a form of
decks whereby nfts can be breached from one network to another understand so i've i've been making my research i've been reading some papers
about um about everything mostly about like blockchain technology i'm quite new into all this
so um i've been i've been also communicating with my ai assistant like only my sister my best friend
so i'll be communicating with my AI assistant
I'm Nigerian by the way so I've been communicating with my AI assistant and it's said that it is quite
feasible so um when when I just came I came across this um space and I just said that let me join
so my question now is how exactly can I join a group since it cannot be like one person that will like be available in the stand?
Yeah, I think I got your question.
Always the discord, right?
I mean, discord, absolutely.
I think there's two ways you can go about this.
First of all, you are able to join as a solo hacker if you'd like.
That is something that is available to anybody to submit within.
But also, if you go over to the principal page, like once you actually go through the link and click apply,
you'll see that there's actually a tab where you can see requests for people who are looking for team members.
So actually, this is something that we wanted to double down on as well in the spaces and also encourage anybody who's listening here who may not be a dev,
on as well in the spaces and also encourage anybody who's listening here who may not be a dev,
who may be a marketer, who might be a project manager, who might be a, you know, strategist,
whatever that looks like, or UI UX designer. There is a tab directly within the portal where you can
see other people who are looking for team members, looking for people to join their team
and support their projects. And you can also post within this as well.
So if you have an idea, if you have something that you're building, but you want to find
a specific type of dev, if you want to find a marketer, if you want to find a project
manager to work with you, you are able to post directly within this link process and
find people, meet people.
And then also, as JJ just also alluded to, hop in ICP Discord, you know, be active in these types of spaces, you know, DM people who you think are exciting and might be able to provide value to what you're building or vice versa.
You know, this really is one of those types of communities, you know, the Web3 community as a whole is really one of those communities where, you know, you get what you get what you give.
So if you want to put yourself out there and start messaging people, reaching
out to people, or even putting out posts of your own, highly recommend that as a means.
And even as a first step, especially as you're here right now, sharing a stage with 22 other
builders at this point in time, you can pop a comment over in our little comment section down
there and share maybe a little bit more about what you're building, if you have a link or anything along those lines. And yeah,
you know, put the call out, let people know, and happy to pin that up here as well, if you have
something specific that you're looking for. So yeah, stay bullish. And now is the time to apply.
Again, you only have about six days left to apply for the World Computer Hacker League. And,
you know, we're getting close. We're getting close.
It's almost that point.
And that doesn't mean that the hackathon is over by any means after these six days.
It is literally just getting started.
We are going to be entering into phase one out of four phases, if I'm not mistaken.
So there's local, there's local, there's regional, and there's a series of international competitions, which will all end in quite large prizes.
Again, we have a $300,000 prize pool that's being allocated towards this initiative.
And, yeah, that doesn't even include, once again, I keep mentioning it, but I do think it's relevant.
That doesn't even include the various grants and also investor network kind of opportunities that exist directly within this
within this ecosystem. So yeah, again, I remain bullish. I'm very excited. And again, I do
encourage more folks to pop up here and ask any questions that they have. If anybody has any,
please feel free to raise your hand. We'll bring you all we'll bring you on up here.
Even if you're just submitting and have a practical question about going through the
process, you know, no question is too big or small, no stupid questions ever, and appreciate all of you taking the time to be here.
I'd actually love to take a moment and pass the mic over to JJ and then Kat, if you're with us,
maybe I'd also love to just give people a little POV on what it is that you're building.
But JJ, let's inspire the folks who are listening right now, because you are a builder.
You have a whole team behind you, and you're building some really cool infrastructure that you you touched on um in
your previous uh in your previous uh very short spiel um but we'd love to learn a little bit more
about um you know what opportunities um you think arise like maybe even some adjacent products or
some pieces of infrastructure that you wish you could see um within uh the world that you're
building and uh and yeah we'd love to pass the mic over to you
and maybe just if you could share a little bit about your product
and dive in a little bit deeper
and hopefully inspire some of these lovely builders
who are here with us today.
Yeah, no worries.
Happy to do a longer spiel.
Yeah, my name is JJ Jarrell James,
or Tech Boy Africa on most everything.
Yeah, for me, I come from East Africa originally,
and I've traveled the world extensively,
and have a lot of friends all over the quote-unquote global south,
or what we would call leapfrog regions over at Parable.
And really the overwhelming truth and underlying foundational issue
across the island nations throughout like Africa, South America,
South Asia, you know, whatever we consider to be the Middle East or the Arab world,
is that like the power grid is inevitably not keeping up with the demand and the population
growth of these regions. And if you look at what like a developing nation is compared to a developed nation,
it's really all comes down to like how efficiently power is being shared across the actual entire
populace and what that power brings in regards to, you know, connectivity and therefore finance and
GDP growth is all just like, you know, it funnels down to that basic layer. And so this became like
starkly true for me with like my community in East Africa, where it got shut down from power for about three years.
And so there went the banking system and there went the entire communication grid for everybody who lived in other parts of the world.
And so when it came down to it, I realized that in a world of blind people, the one eyed man is keen. And that was where I saw buildings in my home region at the time, being run by like the UN or the World Health Organization, stuff like this, where they had a satellite uplink, and they had the building stayed, you know, that hotel or whatever it was, they'd set up operations and stayed online. And that's where all the communication and like the value that was coming out of that
region was really running through.
And so I kind of was like, that's a whole business.
That's that right there is the business.
And so what Parable does is that we go and we empower landlords and commercial developers
to be like essentially ISP providers.
And that sounds like, like what?
Okay.
But all we really do is put rooftop satellite uplinks.
We put solar panels and battery backup systems.
And then we have our custom-made POF,
like power over fiber or power over ethernet, POE,
modems throughout these buildings.
And so we go in and basically our clients
are these building owners who we turn to ISP providers
and they add and they bundle internet connection with rent. We go in and basically our clients are these building owners who we turn into ISP providers.
And they add and they bundle internet connection with rent.
And so by doing that, they, you know, they can upcharge and they, but the user itself gets, you know, internet from day one.
There's no hassle.
There's no questions about, oh, where, how do I, who do I get, get my connectivity from?
What's the charges in my area?
It's that we're coming in, we're taking care of all of that. We're running all of that backhaul on our network. But at the exact same time,
when the power goes off, the lights may be off in the building, but your internet is still on.
And so as a young professional, as maybe an affluent member of that community, as even just
a family, you still have the ability to use WhatsApp.
You still have the ability to get, you know, whatever financial support or financial means you need across whatever mediums you need.
And that is really the underlying value that's becoming an emergent value add to the West as well as we see like countries like Spain and Portugal go offline for many days.
We see like the Bible Belt or the Deep South go offline every time there's a power outage because of a hurricane.
And various places across the Caribbean and the Pacific Islands.
And so we have this whole system and this like flywheel that also is quite dependent on an actual local community, which we call crews.
And we have those crews funded through the Parable community itself.
And those crews basically go in and they onboard new clients. We've done this in Sri Lanka. It's
very, very easy because you have to find pretty savvy BD technical people. And they exist pretty
heavily inside of these emerging cities because people are hustling. People are trying to find
what is next. How do I start a business? And what we've basically done is franchise the ability to bring your, bring clients into
the Parable network and turn them into ISP providers.
And these crews, by doing that, they're earning partial revenue off of each new, what we call
prisms or Parable buildings that come online.
And then they can share by setting up rooftop links, they can share that connectivity
within like a one kilometer range around those apartment buildings. And so all of that, all
of the ISP service, all of like, everything is running through parable, all the transactions,
all of the the crew revenue splits, and all of this stuff kind of just bridges, but does
it in the background. And like these are embedded wallets.
This isn't like, oh, these people are, oh, we have to be in this particular crypto or
this crypto.
It is definitely built with the idea that this ecosystem can survive and thrive without
any of the fancy Western language around how cool every little coin is or whatever, anything
like that.
So like the basic TLDR is that parables like
turning rooftops into resilient internet hubs, landlords become ISPs, crews build the network,
users get rewarded and the network grows exponentially off of rewards. And this ability
to actually replace legacy infrastructure that's been failing these communities, which are
billions and billions of people for decades now. Like if you really understand how Internet is provided and the fact that one gigabyte
of connection is oftentimes 10% of a user's monthly income in places like Sri Lanka or
Indonesia, all throughout Latam, all throughout the Caribbean, like this is kind of a dynamic that we would never accept here in the West,
but it is just the dynamic that is naturally insulated in the parts of the world
that at the end of the day are the global majority,
and they're where huge amounts of GDP are growing at rates
that we don't really see in the West anymore.
Absolutely, and this is a really strong take. And again, it brings me back to some of the
earlier conversations about, you know, why crypto, why Bitcoin, you know, back when it was an issue
of, you know, I think I had a contact in Lebanon when they were going through a crisis with their
government and, you know, contacts weren't able to take money out of ATMs. And obviously, you know,
that is even more exacerbated through like dramatic inflation in certain countries where, you know, like you're
saying, somebody spending a large percentage of their of their income just on power, just on
computer, just on, you know, some of these things that maybe we take for granted as basic needs on
a daily basis. And, you know, it really goes beyond that. But also just to just to give my
my own personal POV as well, because I think it's really, really fascinating as well.
Like I live in Canada and actually in Canada, we have probably the highest cell phone slash Internet expenditure in the world because we have a and I think it actually is by like 70 or 80 percent because we have a total monopoly in our country between just two two providers, Rogers and Bell. And so I just did the math. From the Canadian basic, you know,
from the Canadian average annual income,
we're actually spending on average about 5%,
even in Canada, of our income just on, you know,
internet and phone connectivity, which is wild in 2025.
So huge flowers for you for what you're building.
A lot of that is really based off of, like,
it's one of those things that's complex to a lot lot of people they're like all right just like put internet
in my building whatever whatever um and everyone's like kind of talking about starlink but at the end
of the day like we all could be getting starlink right now and people aren't and so like how what
is the actual distribution bottleneck for how starlink is going to get into all these different
countries that it is available in but people aren't able to actually hit that $700 a month price point.
And also, like someone in maybe Brazil doesn't need $700 a month,
you know, 600 gigabits, like bandwidth for just themselves.
But you can spread that around through really efficient mesh networks.
You can basically go in and completely replace legacy internet providers and make it advantageous for the real estate owners. Because like a lot of
stuff around connectivity, people who know the know these regions are will definitely tell you
like that. It's kind of like a mafia issue at the same time. Like there's authorities that don't
necessarily just want someone to come in and do an internet project and like bring a bunch of people online. And a lot of the time you've got to battle those, those, those forces by going
after the people who have the most to gain and own land and owning land is itself like a mafia.
And so with landlords being able to be on the upside, I know we all like in the West are like
have our opinions about landlords sometimes, but like with landlords and property owners being on the upside of ISP distribution,
you have a really strong coalition that basically builds a grassroots connectivity
system that replaces legacy providers faster than they could try and
like expand their hardware efforts to try and compete with the coverage
and the speeds that we bring to the table.
So it's actually quite interesting to see how, like, the, I guess, the global market
itself is turned on its head by crypto.
But at the same time, like, we have to kind of remember that Internet power, all these
sorts of things are still, like, open markets that people can disrupt in their own way.
And using crypto to do so is just kind of icing on the cake.
The markets are ripe for disruption, 100 percent. in their own way. And using crypto to do so is just kind of icing on the cake.
The markets are ripe for disruption, 100%. And I'm really happy to hear that you are the one kind of pushing this forward because this sounds extremely promising and I can't wait to dive in
deeper. Also, for folks who want to explore Parable a little bit further, I did pin one of
their tweets at the top of the page. If you want to follow them, check them out, see what it is
they're building, dive in a little bit deeper as well. Highly recommend that you do so. Because again, for folks who are building, especially folks who
are considering, you know, pitching a project for the World Computer Hacker League, sometimes it
really does boil down to what are our needs? What are our actual requirements as a population? And
how can we actually start solving some of these issues going back to that, you know, age old
question of does blockchain fix this? And a lot of the time the answer is is yes so really excited to hear what you're building JJ and thank you for
reiterating some points and diving in deeper on others this is this is
honestly fascinating and I can't wait to yeah dive in and see how we're gonna
replace Starlink you know I don't I don't want to say F anybody on here but
you know we've already had enough issues with Twitter spaces today for me to I
think have my sentiment be clear on on powerful, richest man in the world that happens to be. So yeah, love it. Very, very cool.
Very, very cool. And I see that we also had another awesome person join us. What is life
about? Up on stage, and I'd love to pass things over to you if you have a question or anything
along those lines. But first, as I promised, I would love to pass things over to Kat,
you know, our other fearless leader here today.
Kat is helping lead the charge
on promoting and pushing
this lovely ICP World Hacker League hackathon
through our team at Cash Labs.
But Kat is also a seasoned builder
and somebody who's been in the space
for I think as long as I have,
probably even longer.
And Kat is actually submitting a project and participating in the World Hacker League so
uh for anybody who is maybe uh starved a little bit for um uh what to submit how to submit how
they want to go about this process uh Kat would you mind uh uh you know popping some corns and
feeding some children and letting people know what it is that you're building and maybe, maybe, you know, encouraging some other folks to start building as well.
Yeah, for sure. Thank you, David. What a sweet intro. And also just want to say hi to JJ.
So nice to see you here and listen in on what you're continuing to build. I always love
hearing you talk. Met JJ last year, I think in Devacon, Thailand. And actually, I really that was probably like
your conversations were some of my favorites. And it actually really inspired me to get even more
technical. So since then, yeah, I have just been caught in a bunch of random deep dives,
this tech. But it's been really fun. And yeah, I guess I will do a little shill. Something that I have
been wanting or have been working on over the last like five years is to like, you know, the big idea
to build worlds that empower people to connect, create and earn by being their most genuine selves.
So one of the worlds that I'm just like building right now that I'll be submitting for the hackathon
is a social game that deepens connections
and rewards people for being their unhinged selves.
Red flags and all.
So I called it Perfect Match.
I figured it's kind of like a dating game,
but I'm calling it a social game
because you can also apply it to your like friends and family.
The slogan that I've been kind of like working on is like perfect is
a lie this is better um and yeah the people on the team who are on it it's just me and my friend
Jacob um I like to kind of tag myself as the consumer girl in an infrastructure world and he
is the builder of stable systems for unstable people.
But I love that. Yeah.
I love that.
Yeah.
I don't know.
We like to have a little bit of fun with it.
But it's, it sounds like a Pandora's box being opened.
Oh, a hundred percent.
It's like, you know, me, like I'm Hinge.
I have ADHD.
Like I like the tech.
I really like Web3, but I also something that's really ADHD like I like the tech I really like web3 but I also something
that's really been bothering me in the space is like more consumer facing products like products
that we can use um a bit easier and like maybe not have to carry the burden of like the on-chain
and like web3 technologies um so I thought this dating app could be like a good use case for it
um I honestly like I'm still kind of like learning
about the tech but as I was like diving into like um like I don't know like ZK L2s and technologies
um I figured I was like there's one part of like the match reveal where you're like sharing secrets
and it gets like revealed um uh when you match which you can then use like a zk sort of like privacy thing technology like
don't quote me on it because like i'm still learning the terminology so that's kind of cool
and then another component of it is like once you match you can like chat with each other
um but within that chat you can maybe earn like uh like farm tokens. Maybe some messages will require like payments.
And obviously you can solve like free conversations,
but I've kind of added some like game loops and like mechanics to it,
which has been really fun.
So I don't know.
It's still a work in progress.
I've just kind of been like going at it and it's been a lot to build.
And there's only six more days,
which I would like at least like a couple of good features running,
but yeah.
Anyhow,
that's what I'm building and I'm excited to see the other builds.
I have one very important question,
which I'm,
which I'm asking us on behalf of Sheldon,
who I see has joined us back in here.
So great to have you back in here,
Sheldon.
Do you intend on storing dating profiles on chain?
Oh, 100%. And I just feel like especially with like the privacy layer that I've been like reading
about lately, I think it's like possible to do it in a way that's like, you feel, I guess like,
yeah, like, like, it could be on chain, but it doesn't have to be public for people to see. I
don't know. Anywho. Yes, it should be on chain. Everything should be on chain but it doesn't have to be public for people to see i don't know anywho yes it should be on chain everything should be on chain not everything needs to be on chain but like maybe
with icp it could be but i haven't honestly i haven't i'm designing right now okay she's building
she's building leave her alone people no i think this is super cool and also just like hopefully
this should just act as encouragement as well for folks if you have an idea if there's something
that you want to see um that you might even want to use, that's all the more reason for you to click the link, submit, put together a beta or
whatever initial MVP version of a proposal and submit, try it. Why not? I mean, you have absolutely
nothing to lose by submitting and it's free. So nobody's charging you for a submission.
There's no entry cost.
It's not one of those hackathons where you have to pay a submission fee or something like that and travel somewhere and go out of your way and, you know, stay in a hotel and fly and all this.
You know, we're starting fully virtual and we're doing this globally.
So this is really, you know, hopefully some encouragement for all the builders who are listening now or after the fact to take that idea that you wrote in your notes app, you know, three or four months ago,
and actually try to manifest it
and, you know, see what you can do.
And, you know, try using no-code tools,
try using AI, try using all these things,
even if you're not a dev in the traditional sense,
and put something together,
because why not?
Why not?
You know, we have this infrastructure,
we have these opportunities,
we have these grants,
we have these prizes.
From my perspective, it's just something that, you know, I really hope that the community is
able to take advantage of. So I'll say it one more time, because we're actually going to have
to wrap this one up in about five minutes. I have a hard out, unfortunately. But yeah,
I really do encourage folks to click the link at the top of the page, you know, learn more,
check out the various tracks, see if anything is applicable to what it is that you are doing,
what you're building, what you're thinking about. And again, I'll reiterate this one fact as well. If you do see
other folks who are already building something really cool, you can already just go through the
page. And if you click the link and then you click through to the actual hackathon registration page,
you will see there is a tab for people who are seeking team members. So you can either make a
post seeking team members, you can join or apply
to join a team of people who are already looking for somebody with your specific skillset. And again,
this is not relegated to only devs, not to discount the devs, we need the devs, you know,
you are all the crux of this, of this, of this hackathon as a whole. But if you're, if you're a
marketer, if you're a project manager, if you're a strategist, if you're a UI UX designer, we also
do need you. And I can
almost guarantee you that there is a dev out there who could very much use your help and would love
to build with you. So Kat is a perfect example of this. Kat is a builder. Kat is a marketer. Kat is
a strategist and a brilliant, brilliant mind. And she reached out to her network and she found
a developer that wanted to build with her. And that's what she's going ahead and doing. And
Kat's working on the project directly, but she's still able to, you know, this is a completely adjacent thing, you know, doing her
own project and submitting it through this process. So again, don't think that you're left
out of this process just because, you know, you may not have a computer science degree.
Everybody is welcome in the World Computer Hackathon and very much encourage folks to
push for its ideas and build. Again, we have to wrap things up in just a few minutes, but I do want to say hi again to Sheldon. And I'm very curious, Sheldon, now that you've heard
just a teeny bit about this dating app, if this makes you any more or less bullish on the concept
of on-chain dating profiles. Not a serious question, but an important one. I mean, like you
said, you're taken, I'm taken, I'm good. There's so many other things to invest in that I'm closer
to. I come from a cybersecurity background, so other things to invest in that I'm closer to. I come from a
cybersecurity background, so I tend to invest in those companies because I have a nose for that
market. And I think that's what the right move is for most people. That's certainly what I advise
folks about for stock trading way back in the day. You know a lot about hair care products.
That's cool. I don't know, squat. Maybe you would have saved me.
Made some of my hair fall out. But there's no way that I would have been
the appropriate investor for that sort of thing.
I'm just not that familiar.
So I think if you love and are very active in blockchain,
then there's a lot that you can do.
But you just take that little digital experience
and plug it into some life experience that you got
and say, hey, this is close to me.
Whether you're a hardware person and you like deep in
because you can dig into it
or interested in like a social five side like dating,
then, you know, hey, if you've dated around, then maybe that's the experience for you.
But I can keep my partners pretty limited and also keep my investing pretty limited to the familiar scope.
So, yeah, definitely happy to join back and listen in. Thanks for having me.
Build what you know, invest in what you know. And this is, I think, very sound advice and no financial advice,
but very sound advice, I think, across the board. So thank you, Sheldon. Again, unfortunately,
we're going to have to wrap this one up in just a couple minutes, but I would love to pass the
mic around the stage again and just hear from each of our invited speakers and just, you know,
get your quick POV on where you'd like to send people after this, other than, you know, again,
pushing people to click the link at the top of the screen and participate and, you know,
apply and submit to the hackathon.
But Julie, we haven't heard from you in a moment.
Julie, would you like to share your kind of final thoughts?
I think my Twitter is absolutely rugging me right now.
So I actually can't tell who is a listener, who is a speaker.
But I see the Crypto Mondays account up here.
I see you.
So, Julie, are you with us?
Anything you'd like to say before we wrap this one up?
Okay.
I think it might be accurate here,
and we may have Julie in the audience.
Is there somebody at the Crypto Mondays account,
or is that Julie as well?
Fabulous.
Well, I am going to push a speaking invite one more time
and just see if you're able to join us, if not totally, totally cool, as we do have to wrap up in just a couple minutes.
Kat, anything you would like to share that maybe I didn't mention that you'd like to push people to be aware of as they're submitting just over the course of the next six days?
Because we're almost there.
Yeah, I mean, I would love to see more people apply, obviously, like the developers in the ecosystem, but also people who are not developers, like think of something fun and just build it because I've been having a lot of fun and facing apps, especially to onboard more people and, you know, get them using it.
I think we need a lot more of those.
And, you know, there's a lot, there's lots to be built.
So if you're listening in, apply.
This is my first hackathon.
So if I can do it, I think you can too.
I love that.
I love that.
We need more people building on the periphery.
I think there's a lot of people, you know, trying to answer some of the big questions that a lot of us speak about regularly on these Twitter spaces, at conferences, etc.
But both the, you know, extreme, excuse me, extreme consumer plays, the extreme infrastructure
plays, these are the places that we really need to see a lot more innovation, a lot more, you know,
ingenuity, and just, you know, some of some of our bright minds, you know, really trying to tackle
some of the problems, even small problems that we face on a day to day basis. And I think today's conversation has been testament to that,
because we've spoken about everything from financial instruments to, you know, onboarding
your local barbershop. So, you know, the amount of use cases is extremely broad. And that's why
we're doing this globally as well, because we really want to try to touch as many local markets
as humanly possible throughout the initial phases of this. Again, we're going hyper local,
then regional, then absolutely global.
So if you are interested in pushing a project forward and building,
you have the opportunity to interact with and compete against, you know,
some top builders globally and some first-time builders as well.
And, you know, the way that these often work out is not as people, you know, expect.
I think I've definitely mentored my fair share of teams at ETH Denver
who, you know, are not maybe the most technical team, but
actually go about winning at the end
of the session just because they came up
with something really cool and unique. So, yeah.
Encouragement to build. And
again, we have to end this in just about a minute, but
Sheldon's back here. So, Sheldon, any final words
you'd like to share with the folks who are listening now or after the fact?
Any words of encouragement or
maybe even a plug for why
to integrate Omniti into what it is that these lovely folks might be building?
I mean, I can tell you that after trying caffeine the other day, I'm hopeful that more people will certainly do it.
Integrating Bitcoin anywhere is daunting in one way or another, but ICP makes that really easy and ICP makes that really a lot easier, easier.
So I think in the near future,
we'll see a lot more folks bringing BTC Phi into their applications and whether that's dating or
gold or, you know, luxury watch trading or whatever it is, we hope that you'll consider
the capital security of Bitcoin and the wonderful tooling of ICP. And thanks for having us.
Very, very well said. I almost, I almost joined from the other account and almost started a, you know, a spiral there. But we're ending on a high note. I think that's a lovely sentiment to end on. Really appreciate everybody who's taking the time out of their busy schedules to join us here today. Once again, please do follow up. If you have any questions, feel free to DM the ICB Hub Canada U.S. account directly.
And if this talk slash space has inspired you at all to submit and build, my last reminder that if you would be so kind to support us and Javier and the folks at ICP Hub Canada and US, do make sure that you add ICP Hub Canada and US.
It's written in the post at the top of the page to your submission so that Javier gets his flowers for all the beautiful work that he's doing globally, but especially, you know, really pushing the community of builders across Canada and the U.S.
as he's been doing for the past few years.
So thank you, everyone.
Thank you, JJ.
Thank you, Julie.
Thank you, Sheldon.
Thank you, Kat.
And thank you to all of our amazing listeners and speakers and folks who ask questions in today's spaces.
And for anybody listening after the fact, again, reach out, submit.
You still have about a week to apply.
And we hope to see you on the other end. And last little plug, we are going to be doing one more of these spaces on the 22nd, if I'm not mistaken, just a couple days before things close out. And we're going to be doing a live session of allowing people to pitch their project and share a little bit more about what they're building. So for I'm Annie memes or any of the other folks who are considering applying, if you have your application together by then, if you've already submitted or are about to submit
and want to pitch your project, we encourage you to do so on our next basis. So do make sure you're
following the ICP Hub Canada and US account. Do make sure that you have an amazing day and an
amazing week. And we look forward to seeing you in the next basis. GM, everybody, and good night.
See you very soon. Take care.
