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Welcome to our live show!
Recorded: March 20, 2025 Duration: 0:47:32Space Recording
Short Summary
In a lively discussion, the speakers explored the evolving landscape of AI technologies, emphasizing trends in competition, practical applications, and the commoditization of AI models. They also touched on the relationship between traditional assets like gold and Bitcoin, highlighting how market dynamics influence investor behavior.
Full Transcription
Live episode I can see that we are right now live to X the link is up there go ahead and check that out everybody today
We're gonna be talking about AI the race to the bottom a little bit of politics. Maybe a little bit of sports
There's a whole bunch of stuff across the board to deep dive into I want to start with
This race to be the best in AI where you have the kings of the castle, right? You've got grok chat GPT
perplexity aggregating everything and then of course you have everybody trying to make these cheap models.
So you have DeepSeek and you have Baidu.
And so man, you know, man, this is somewhere in the middle of this.
Alex, there's so many of these.
How can people know, you know, what's better versus cheaper?
What makes sense to actually use and pay for?
You're in the thick of it. Talk to us.
I'm deep in the thick of it.
I'm as thick of it as it gets. I'm right in the
middle. I'm surrounded by AIs. Just figure what is this AI? What is this AI? Deep in
it. Anyway, it really comes down to what your use case is, right? If your use case is what
90% of people's use cases are, which are like, you know, tell me a fart joke, then you can
just use whatever AI. Cheapness does not matter. You know, if you're trying to advance things like train your own model,
then cheapness matters, right? Because then you can
install it locally and run it locally and do whatever you want. If you're building your own app,
cheapness matters because the API costs, right?
So for most people, cheapness doesn't matter, but for the power users, cheapness matters. So
it really depends on your use case. And then there's like
the implementations of AI as well. Like we're starting to get really good use cases
for AI, right? We're starting to get to the phase where like Manus is a really
good use case for AI, where it's taken existing technologies and combining them
together. I've been using Manus the last week. It's insane. It's like the most
powerful maybe implementation of AI I've ever seen where it's like an AI
agent that can just sit there for hours doing work for you.
It's actually incredible.
YouTube video coming out in the next two hours.
I also picked up this AI device.
This is the sickest thing ever.
This might be my favorite implementation of AI ever.
It's called Limitless.
It's just a microphone.
It just records everything.
Just everything you do during the entire day it records.
And then you can ask the app questions and the AI will tell you answers about what it
recorded, right?
So I go around throughout the day.
If there's things I want to remember, what you typically do is you'd go in Apple Notes
and you type it out, right?
But now I can just say it out loud.
I can just say, oh, here's a video for YouTube idea. And I just say it out loud. I can just say oh, here's a video for YouTube idea
And I just say it out loud, right and then at the end of day
I go what YouTube ideas that I have into my AI and it says okay. Here's a rundown of all your ideas
So this is actually the sickest thing ever
So we're starting to get really cool use cases for AI too
So it really just comes down to you know what you want to do and you know the space move so fast
You gotta stay up to
date you gotta be on X you got to be on YouTube you gotta be looking at content
you gotta be seeing what people are doing and that's how you stay up to date
what's your pretty necklace called Alex limitless so here's now I'll go deeper
since yeah it's a follow-up question so we have an API here's what I'm gonna do
there's an API for this so you can get all the transcripts of everything it records through the API.
I'm going to build an app for it that is basically going to document my entire
life. And so what it's going to do, this app, it's going to take the transcript,
uh, at the end of every single day, and then it's going to turn it into a journal
entry. So like, like a diary entry. So it's going to take the transcript,
everything, turn it into a journal entry automatically. And then when's going to turn it into a journal entry. So like, like a diary entry. So it's going to take the transcript, everything, turn it into a journal entry automatically.
And then when I die, how old am I?
I'm 34 years old.
So when I die in like 70 years, I'll probably live to like 110 or so.
When I die in 70 years, I'm going to have from 34 years old to the end of my life and end a journal entry of every single day of my life and everything that happened during that day and everything I said
I think that's the sickest thing ever. What if you could have the complete
Lifetime story of like George Washington
Like you can just like have his entire life and see day to day for his entire life everything
He did everything he said everything he went through what if like a World War two soldier
You can just see everything they did and said
for their entire, like just there in the middle of that,
oh my God, I'm getting shot from a napalm.
You can just see all of that.
Like, I think that'd be sick.
I think that's the craziest thing ever.
So I'm just documenting my entire life with this thing.
Are you going to like delete the bad and the ugly
and just leave the good?
Or are we gonna get like a full picture into everything?
Like we're gonna get like you're gonna get everything typical bathroom
Situations and all of it, huh? Oh
Yeah, you can often get everything
What's that? Does it does it's you're like, sorry, baby. The limitless stays on, you know, it's like is this thing just on 24-7. I
Mean, I know where it's the bed like there's no one is gonna record me snoring like your dreams
I know what you're trying to say you sick fuck
Yeah, you would like to hear that you piece of shit
No, I I mean I take it off at night
But you know during my day when I'm having conversations
I so I just it just records everything like it just I got into an argument a couple days ago
I made sure records I usually keep it under my shirt because I feel like
Psychology changes when people see a microphone on you. So which is actually technically illegal in California, but whatever it doesn't matter
Party state. Yeah. Yeah, but I'm doing it anyway
So who cares come get me Gavin anyway, but I'm gonna have an entire record of my entire life when I'm dead one day
I'm gonna have an entire record of my entire life
when I'm dead one day, so that's cool.
So that's cool
Shout out, Gavin.
All right, well, there's some fun stuff.
Penny, you got thoughts on kind of this race to be the best
versus the cheapest versus the quickest?
Yeah, I mean, you sort of summed up my views earlier.
I think that most people, most users,
aren't really gonna care about the price.
I'm talking about like 99% of users,
unless you're talking about it getting into that
like $200 a month range
that we've seen from like the really high end of open AI.
I think that most people are going to avoid that.
Most people don't use the APIs, which is a totally different cost anyway than how much
it costs to make it, right?
Like how much the inference costs and how much it costs to use it is a totally different
category. So I'm curious where they were pushing the limits on this. Make it right like how much the inference costs and how much it costs to use it is a totally different category
so i'm curious where they were pushing the limits on this is it like
1 of the cost to build it or 1 of the cost to run it
I'm actually more interested in reducing the cost to run it. That means that you can reduce the cost of the consumer
Reduce the cost of the api call, you know, whatever
But I really think we're not even though grok 3 is amazing and the latest models from basically all of the leading AI companies, they're really getting good now. They're not so good that I'm looking for the cheapest. I will jump immediately
to the best. Like whoever has the best for coding, that's what I'm going to use for coding.
Whoever has the best for creative writing, that's what I'm going to use for creative writing. Whoever has the best for image generation, that's what I'm going to use for coding. Whoever has the best for creative writing, that's what I'm going to use for creative writing.
Whoever has the best for image generation,
that's what I'm going to use.
And I'll pay whatever it costs because at this point,
it's so much cheaper than a human employee.
I mean, I am building a game by myself, doing the art.
I'm not an artist, doing the code.
But I'm using the AIs that work best for each piece.
And it's like, I have bonus employees.
It's like, I'm me plus five other people.
And if I have to pay a hundred bucks a month for what equates to the same output
or more output, as if I hired a human.
Like whatever price, just, you know, please, it's not going to cost me thousands.
So that's what I'm looking for is more functionality, the ability for these
AIs to do more things at some point.
It'll be a price competition. I just don't think we're there yet. If we have a big three currently Alex, like a
LeBron, Wade, Bosch, who are those big three?
OpenAI,
um, Grok and Anthropic probably.
Google's waiting in the wings.
They're coming out with some cool shit.
Their image model's cool.
Just their implementation, their AI kind of sucks.
Like you just have to go into like an AI studio,
which no one knows how that works or how to access that.
Like they're weird.
They're like the biggest company of all the competitors
and they are just, they're not even the slowest, they're just the weirdest. They're just doing
things the weirdest way. So that's probably the big three at the moment. Yeah, but it's
constantly shifting. It's constantly changing. It's just crazy. Manus, which is a very small
team has been able to come out with the best implementation of AI agents.
So it's so weird the way things work where you're like you have open AI who's
10,000 times smaller than Google just beating Google's ass left and right. Then you have Grok
which is like 10,000 times younger than all these companies coming out with the best AI model.
Then you have Manus who are a couple Chinese guys who came out with the best AI agent implementation of all time. It's so weird the way things work. It's like
money and power no longer are like the deciding factors in any of this. It's just like
the idea and quickest execution on the idea is winning. And for some reason, Google,
who is just thousands and thousands and thousands of thousands of
people, can't execute the way two Chinese guys building Manus AI can execute.
It's the craziest thing ever.
So it's a focus thing, right?
Like those guys in China working on Manus, that's what they're building.
They're not focusing on the LLM.
They don't care.
They'll let Google make an LLM.
They'll let OpenAI make an LLM.
They'll let Grok make an LLM. They'll let Grok make an LLM.
But they're focusing on just the agent.
Whereas I think for OpenAI, a majority of their recruiting,
a majority of their time and money and resources,
it all goes towards creating the models, right?
And then they're building a business around that.
I'd say that's doubly true for Grok, right?
Like Grok has the best model,
but it doesn't have a huge ecosystem of products built around
it like OpenAI does.
You can build your own plugins and things like that.
It's just a more mature product.
I think building the products around LLMs is where a ton of innovation is going to happen
soon.
You don't need a million GPUs to create an agent implementation.
You need someone else to create a good LLM,
and then you just sort of organize
the way in which the calls are made
and leverage and whatever else.
I think we're going to see dual innovation.
There's the LLM innovation, and there's
like how do you turn it into a business?
I think that's a completely wide open green field,
and it doesn't matter how big you are.
One person can make an impact on that side
of things. I think it's much harder. I think still you need a lot of money in GPUs and whatever to
create LLMs. I don't know if that will ever change. Maybe eventually those become commoditized,
but the ability to create like something with LLMs is maybe the biggest opportunity of our lives.
There are so many things just waiting to be disrupted and it
doesn't take an army to do it. Like you can just do things. You just step in and
build it. If you know how to write code you can connect the dots and make
something really useful for people. Yeah I'm way more interested in AI
rappers than I am AI to be quite honest. You know, I think AI models are commoditized in a way
where, you know, literally every other week
there's someone else's the best.
And it just feels like it's like a rat race
that like it's gonna be impossible
for anyone to outright win.
But the rappers use case, right, that's different
because that's where I think the kind of interesting
innovations happening where you can have winners.
You can have long-term winners, right? Like when it comes to AI content, I think creator buddies gonna be long-term winner.
I think it's gonna be, I think no one's gonna beat it. It's gonna be the best there is and there's zero competition, right?
I think other AI rappers, if Penny makes a baller ass AI game, I think it could be the winner, right?
But I don't, when it comes to models, I don't think there's going to be a winner.
There's always going to be someone out there, they're always eking for a little bit, 1%
better, 1%, right?
And it's going to be, it's just a commodity at this point.
The rappers aren't commodities.
So I think the rappers are actually a much more interesting race than the models themselves
at the moment, to be honest.
How many, first off, how many unique AIs, like LLMs, do you think have been built so far?
If you just had to guess, ballpark.
Unique?
I mean, there's a lot of people that built mini LLMs.
I mean, like Carpathi, for example,
has a tutorial on YouTube where you can create tiny GPT
yourself and it even like provides training materials
for you to do that.
So I think that there's been like tens of thousands,
if not hundreds of thousands of individuals
who have gone through and trained like a tiny LLM.
But as far as these big one goes,
I mean, we're in the neighborhood.
If you're talking about models,
it's different than companies.
There's probably like dozens of like big models
and maybe like one dozen companies
that are seriously involved with creating this type of stuff.
I think those are the numbers that make sense to me.
Got it. Okay, so similar topic, but not quite in the AI realm.
Jensen Wong has obviously been talking extensively over the last few days in video conferences.
Don't know much you guys caught of it, but one of the things that he talked about was these super computer, personal supercomputers that are going to be coming out and that people will
be able to have. And I just wanted to get your thoughts on that and what that would
look like and what that would enable people to do. And when they hear supercomputer, like
what they should be thinking.
I think it means everyone can have their own personal AI models that are built for them
in their specific needs. If everyone can have their own supercomputer, everyone can train their own models, which is incredible, right? I
can build my own model specific for my day-to-day use cases, for the specific things I code,
for the specific things I build, for the specific knowledge I need.
Right now, if you wanted to train your own AI model, you have to buy a Mac Studio M3 Max,
which costs $15,000.
And NVIDIA is promising personal supercomputers for $3,000, which means anyone can...
Now, do I think everyone's going to download their own model and train it?
No, but I do believe we'll get to a point one day where it's a very simple, easy, and
intuitive thing to do, and everyone will have their own personal AI working for them
that they train it based on their house
and what their apartment looks like so that it can learn
how everything works.
And then you move it to your personal robot.
That's the future we're looking at.
And we need to be able to have our own personal models we
can train.
I think of it a little bit different.
Training models is something that I
think will continue to be specialized by the companies.
Customizing models, running the inference for models locally is a totally different thing.
I run the inference to drive my Tesla in my Tesla. There's a supercomputer in my Tesla
running the AI model. DeepSeq is open source. But if I want to run that on my computer,
just run it, not train it, because training it I need like an office full of computers or even a warehouse full of computers.
But to run it, you kind of have to build a supercomputer, right?
Like I have a really nice MacBook Pro with like the upgraded processor and memory and everything else.
I cannot run DeepSeek locally on that or if I could, it would be like awfully, awfully slow.
And I would have to run a downgraded model of it.
What I think these supercomputers,
these mini cheap supercomputers,
it's essentially like a really powered up phone
or a really powered up device.
Like imagine if you could have the privacy
of running an open source LLM on your own phone
and anything that you said to it or whatever,
it never left your phone.
So you didn't have to worry about if China's getting your information or
whatever else. And yeah, I mean, maybe you don't train it, but you can tune it.
You can say like,
I want you to focus on these things when you answer me or whatever.
And it's just with you, it's in your pocket.
You don't need internet access and it can do things real time in the real world.
Like if you need to send something out to the internet
so that it can be processed in a giant computer room
and then sent back to your phone,
it rules out a lot of possibilities
of things that you can do.
You could never drive a car doing that.
It would be too slow, right?
Like it would have to process the video, send it up online.
It couldn't turn in time.
It would just crash into people.
So I think that that bringing that processing power
to the individual and allowing them to run those models
locally off the internet is gonna change everything.
Self-driving kids toys, right?
Who knows what it ultimately turns into,
but I think what it's doing is it's giving you the ability
to run the AIs locally, not train them. I don't think
we're anywhere near, first of all, where individuals would even know how to do that. Forget about
have the power to do it, but everyone knows how to run it. Everyone knows how to open
an app. I think this is going to be like the new device that people carry around or put
into other sort of toys.
FSD is a really good one to talk to people there because I think that allows them to get it right. What is a supercomputer doing? It's allowing you
to actually build and operate in one system and not have to have everything
uploaded to a separate area, revisited and then come back to you and that's how
you build things like FSD and there's just kind of like this childish wonder
right with things like that work in these ways. I was in Miami yesterday and
they have these little
delivery bots you know I don't know if you guys have them in San Francisco too where it's on the
sidewalk and it's delivering someone's food and it's just like a little robot and these things are
zipping like they're going like 10-15 miles an hour it feels like now just flying around and it's
just like it weaves around you on the sidewalk and things like that right um as we get you know these
supercomputers and as we get
more pieces like those get better right and with food delivery and all different
types of stuff not just FSD kind of across the board. Do you guys have those
Alex? You ever see them flying around? No I've I see tons of Waymos everywhere
which is the ugliest cars I've ever seen in my entire life.
They're not that bad.
Yeah, with all the shit they put on top of it is like the most insane looking.
I just I don't understand a world in which way Mo can win when their cars are
that ugly.
I just no one's going to be buying any paid rides.
They do per week right now.
A ton but like like is that the end goal just to be Uber but with no drivers?
It's a great question. What is the end goal? Well, I believe Evan maybe you can pull it up
I'm pretty sure we talked about this on a gigcast episode and said that they did a hundred fifty thousand paid rides a week right now
Or is that per month?
But it was pretty interesting
200,000 paid rides per week
mean that's not bad. A million
paid rides a month almost at that pace. Yeah, that's a lot. So maybe, yeah.
Yeah, it's a lot, but like, what's the law? I don't understand the long term vision. I
understand long term vision at Tesla and full self driving, right? Anyone can have their
own car and then send it out so that while they're not using it it's used more efficiently for helping other
people but like what's the angle way more it was just more taxis on the
street but they don't have drivers in them are people gonna be buying Waymo's
if so there's zero Waymo sold in the last month zero way most sold ever so
like I don't understand the long-term vision but don't you think that like if
you can push a button and a car comes and picks you up and drives you somewhere,
like why do you need to own it?
Why does anyone need to own it?
Ultimately, I think the long-term vision
is to provide transportation in an automated way
at a lower cost.
That's a huge market share.
And I love the way that Tesla did it,
mostly because of the fact that there's already
millions of these cars on the road, right? Like when they turn it on, it's like their network is not in San
Francisco or in LA. Their network is everywhere. So I think that they're, you know, they're
using the right method of distributing this. But ultimately, like I don't even think how
ugly your car matters. It's like how cheap is it? And is it going to get me there without
getting in an accident? And is it going get me there without getting in an accident?
And is it gonna get me there like reliably fast?
And if those things are all true, like I'm paying,
I'm gonna get, I'm not even gonna have a car anymore.
Like what's the point?
Then I need to own a garage.
Then I need to like bother with the maintenance
and the tires and all of those other things.
For me, if I can just like push a button
and go where I want, that is all I need.
And if I can do that for cheaper than having my own car and it's convenient
and like when my kids need to go to school, it's easy to use for that too.
Like I think that the business model is obvious and like the business model for
owning your own car is the one that becomes more obsolete in my opinion.
Right.
Because you have to have that upfront payments as well.
Right.
And then maybe you have a car loans and stuff like long design. So it gets opinion. Right, because you have to have that upfront payments as well, right?
And then maybe you have a car loans
and stuff like along those lines.
So it gets complicated, right?
Because obviously like, yes, there's this model of Tesla
where you can buy it and then rent it out.
But what if people struggle on the buying it part, right?
That kind of comes into play.
All right, let's flip it a little bit of T here.
I have a few T items that I wanted to touch on.
Then we can circle background attack.
All right, T item number one, astronauts returning to earth.
I really want to hear your guys takes on this. So there's been discussion.
These astronauts, where are they stranded? Where are they not stranded? Did he on
bring, you know, bring them back before they would have come back? All this stuff.
Like, I don't know.
The articles seem to be all over the place with what's happening,
but the astronauts did safely touch back down. Beautiful video.
If anyone didn't see it, The dolphins are like, what the heck
is this? They're kind of circling them as they fall back down into the water. Obviously
a tech feat as well, right? This was SpaceX going up and getting them. But I'm just curious
to hear your guys' thoughts on this whole situation because it seems like there's a
lot of controversy surrounding it.
I want to know, like, who is arguing that they were stranded? It seems so obvious that
they were stranded. They had a previous date that they were stranded. It seems so obvious that they were stranded
they had a previous date that they were supposed to board a Boeing ship and come back and
The Boeing ship failed and they got stuck and SpaceX the whole time could have sent up a Dragon capsule
They launched how many even starships which is like they're more advanced
How many star links that they launch up like there's no way that they couldn't have done this earlier had Biden given them the go ahead if he had
not had like an agenda against Tesla and Elon and all of his company SpaceX
whatever like it just seems so obvious. I don't I didn't see anyone arguing that
they weren't stranded. That's actually like kind of shocking to me but I guess
it shouldn't be right like they're're going to make these things political.
It's going to be T. But I loved seeing the astronauts say
how proud and excited they were to finally get off the ship
and to be rescued, and that they were thankful for Elon.
And I think that's pretty self-explanatory in terms
of what the situation was.
Yeah.
Alex, did you did you take there? All right, Alex is busy. He's launching into space right
now. Oh, he's back. I don't know. My internet went out. All right. AT&T sucks. No worries.
I'm back. Any thoughts on the astronauts? Why were they, I mean, I, you know,
Elon says they were stuck in space because Biden didn't want to make Elon look good, but was there
any other, I just asked Rock, why are the two astronauts stuck in space? We're stuck in space
for nearly nine months due to issues with Boeing's capsule, which they used to travel the International
Space Station. Their mission, okay, but instead of giving me a thousand word essay, just tell me why they didn't
rescue them earlier. Like, why weren't they rescued earlier? Was it political? Like,
I understand why Elon would say that. Just give me another 10,000 word essay. I'm not going to
read that. Yeah, I don't know. The whole thing's weird. I don't think you're going to be even longer.
Obviously, Biden's not going to say like, hey, I'm not rescuing them because I don't
like Elon. Like, he's not going to say that. So there's not going to be the official record
of that. But we do have record that the Boeing failed, right? And we also have record that
SpaceX has the capability. And as soon as Trump asked them to do it,
it was like just a couple months, and they set it up,
and here they are.
They're back in the United States.
They're back home.
So I think that it's obvious why it didn't happen.
Why didn't Biden ask SpaceX to do it?
It had to have been political.
There's no way that Elon said, no, I won't do it for you,
like 0% chance, because then Biden would have talked about it. He would have been like. There's no way that Elon said, no, I won't do it for you, like zero percent
chance, because then Biden would have talked about it. He would have been like, we're trying to rescue
the astronauts, but Elon won't do it because he's being political. So I think like we're just, we're
not going to hear Biden's side of the story. We're not going to know why he didn't request it, but
like he also snubbed Elon at the EV summit. We know that he was in no business. I think what
happened was they're headed towards the election and
Elon is supporting Trump and he doesn't want to make Elon look good
He didn't want to increase the odds that Trump got elected
So my guess is that he was gonna ask SpaceX on January 21st
Or or, you know the day after the election was done is so November 20th or whatever
Probably makes more
sense.
Once he knew it wasn't going to help get Trump elected, then he would have jumped on getting
him rescued.
But it didn't happen.
Here's the explanation according to Grok.
The International Space Station isn't like a stranded car.
You can't just send a tow truck.
Rescue missions require a spacecraft, train crew, launch window, all of which take time
to coordinate.
The only operational US-based alternative
was SpaceX's Crew Dragon,
but its missions are scheduled months in advance.
The next available flight was September 2024,
which had two seats reserved for their return.
NASA adjusted the mission to accommodate them,
but Crew-9 was locked into a roughly six-month rotation,
meaning the earliest they could come back was March 2025 launching a separate unplanned
rescue flight was wasn't feasible SpaceX doesn't keep extra crew dragons fueled
up and ready to go and prepping one from scratch would have taken months so that's
Grok's explanation so according to Grok apparently it's not political that's
just how space travel works.
I think Alex's internet is still on the fritz. Okay, well real quick, while you know we're leaning
into that, so maybe that worked political, maybe it wasn't, Something that definitely seems a little bit more is these JFK files.
So Penny, files dropped over 24 hours ago.
Have you grok-ed the 80,000 pages?
I have not.
I was busy at a funeral yesterday
not to bring this space down,
but I didn't have time to go online.
I haven't really dug through the JFK files.
I did see
lots of influencers and I even got tricked for a minute like posting snippets out of context,
right? Like there was a bagging on Biden. His name was mentioned and specifically called
out as a traitor in a letter that was signed supposedly by JFK Jr., right? But my understanding after reading into it a little bit more
is like that was a fake letter
and everyone was sort of presenting it
as something that was factual, being salacious
and like trying to draw attention and get clicks
and like big surprise, right?
I haven't personally seen any bombshells yet.
That doesn't mean that they don't exist.
I'm just super excited to be bringing this to the forefront.
I think that one of the biggest mistakes
that we've made in America is, well,
brainwashing our own citizens
and hiding things from our own citizens.
I think that we are capable of handling the truth,
and ultimately, I think that's the only responsible thing
for the government to do. The more that we lie and dig ourselves in these
holes and try to control situations that are uncontrollable, whether it's our own
CIA assassinating our president or whatever else comes out of this, it's
obviously bad news for Americans and like I hope that we get the Epstein
files soon. I hope that they do like actually solve sort of like unsolved mysteries
through all this or bring some clarity to the American people.
That's ultimately what I'm looking for.
Like if they all end up dropping and they're duds, that's going to be a huge bummer.
I hope that doesn't happen.
Like I just I'm such a fan of transparency that I'm excited that that we're in this stage.
We're not getting it.
We're not getting any of it.
We're not getting any JFK information.
We're not getting any Epstein information.
Everything that was promised on information that will be revealed to us will never happen.
I bet my life on it.
We're never going to get any information on what happened to Epstein or JFK or any of
that stuff or who's the other one, the other guy.
We're not getting any information on any of it.
Martin Luther King Jr.
It won't happen.
If we were gonna get information on it,
we would have gotten information on it.
They have the files ready to go.
They've been taking their time.
They've been looking.
The fact that we didn't get it day one,
the fact they didn't control C, control V,
send to the entire nation on day one, means we're never getting it, right?
It's not happening. You know, they tried the stunt with giving it to a bunch of conservative influencers
Which was like the the most shockingly stupid thing of all time like the biggest misstep I've ever seen in my life
They put out the JFK files absolutely nothing new in it
Like it's clear if they wanted us to have the cool information, we would have gotten it.
All right.
The fact that they've tricked, tried to trick us twice now with the binders and then with
the 20,000 page dump means they will never give it to us.
So it's never happening.
We will never find out who Epstein's clients are.
We will never find out who killed JFK. We will never find out who killed Martin Luther King Jr. It's never happening. We will never find out who Epstein's clients are. We will never find out who killed JFK. We will never find out who killed Martin Luther King Jr.
It's never happening. Give up hope. It's just gonna be stunt after stunt after
stunt. So there it is. I mean unless it gets physically deleted, I think that at
some point it leaks, right? I think AIs are getting better and better at
discovering this information and crawling computers and locations and finding things like this.
I think forensic evidence gathering is going to get insane as these agents like
you're talking about where you can just like give them jobs, Alex, to like research this.
And they don't sleep and they can find the whole internet and like they can hack, right? Like AI based hacking.
We have not heard a lot of it yet, but mark my words.
Holy crap.
All sorts of things are going to get hacked by AI, right?
It's good at writing code.
It's getting built into agents.
Uh, it's just a matter of time until someone's special.
Like if they haven't already and we just
don't know about it, until they specialize these LLMs and use them and direct them towards hacking.
And like my sense is that in the same way that COVID most likely leaked out of a lab, like you
could go through all the precautions to try to make it as safe as possible. But when you're
dealing with something that literally never sleeps, has like unlimited energy and and and hides
You know in in the the network wires or whatever like you just can't stop it
And I and I hope that eventually all of this stuff comes out and that like we give up on trying to keep they've been deleted
They're the information we want been deleted. There's no way I can recreate things that have been destroyed and deleted
It's over if they if they Information we want has been deleted. There's no way AI can recreate things that have been destroyed and deleted.
It's over.
They clearly don't want us to know what happened.
So they're not just gonna put it on their Dropbox account
and say, oh, I hope no one accesses this Dropbox account.
I'm just gonna hide it here.
They clearly don't want us to know about it.
So they're gonna do whatever it takes,
including deleting it, which is actually the easiest thing
out of all of them to do is just delete it.
We're never finding out who Epstein's clients were. I will never be able to recover the deleted files. It's over.
Listen, I wish they would have just said, hey, it's over. We're not telling you.
Like that would I think that would have been way better than this situation.
Hey, the files don't exist. You're never gonna find out. We looked for it everywhere. They don't exist.
I wish they would have just said that. The files don't exist, you're never going to find out. We looked for it everywhere, they don't exist.
I wish they would have just said that.
Well, they dug themselves into a bit of a hole.
And I would lean towards you, the reason why I don't think they're going to come out is
that there's no incentive, right?
Governments have no incentive to share potentially damaging information about the government
with the people.
What is their bonus, right?
I think what Alex is saying, right,
well they kind of put themselves into a middle ground, but they were like, well,
we promised all these things. We're not actually going to do them.
So we're going to like try to make a halfhearted effort so that people forget
that we, you know, promise stuff. But Penny, I, oh,
I appreciate your position, which is like, Hey, you know, the people, you know,
deserve to know government should have no incentive to actually share. They're
already in power. What do they have to gain? There could be an incentive if, for example,
the Biden letter from JFK calling him a traitor was real. If it damages your opponent, then you do
have a reason to share it. So like if for example, they could paint,
if Trump is in power and he could paint the Democrats
as criminals by releasing something like this,
then he could, or any of his political enemies,
whether it's another country or whatever.
That's more complicated than that, right?
If there's a CIA involvement or past Republican president
or something like that, it just all gets so hairy.
I don't know if you guys have ever been like on a board of something or something like that. It just all gets so hairy. I don't know if you guys have ever been like on a,
on a board of something or stuff like that,
where you kind of have like some type of constituents or things along those
lines.
These boards always keep all the like top tier important information to
themselves.
I feel like I've been in microcosms of this throughout my life where you're,
you're in these situations on a company or whatever.
And it's just like this stuff doesn't get shared.
I don't know, just to explain the way the world-
It's one of two things.
It's one of two things, it's either they don't have
the information because it's been deleted,
or the information makes them look bad, right?
And the idea was that this government's
the outsider government, it's not the swamp, right?
So that's why they were like, oh, we're gonna be
the ones that release it.
So it's one of two things. Either they don't have it at all or they have it and it makes them look, someone look bad.
So it's one of those two things. We'll never know. It'll never happen. I've given up. I have zero, zero hope we'll ever find out.
All right, new topic here, and this is a special one for our live viewers because it's been a little bit since we talked
crypto, but we're not going to go too far into crypto. We're going to stick mostly on Bitcoin. And really I just wanted to throw this at Alex because I know
that you're very big into this area. So gold is consistently hitting new all-time highs.
Just every single day it feels like gold's hitting new all-time highs. People are very
scared. You've got tariffs. You've got market going down, and everyone's flooding into gold, we
already passed $3,000 per, I believe it's ounce of gold right
there. And so you have a flourishing market there. And you
would think, you know, maybe Bitcoin, digital gold, right,
moving to the upside as well. Do you got any thoughts on maybe
why Bitcoin has been a little bit more stagnant while gold hits
new all timetime highs?
Oh my god, he froze in the best position. You hear me?
You can't hear me right now?
You're back.
No one can hear me?
You're back now.
You froze.
Yeah, you're good.
You're good.
I'm going to cancel AT&T so fast out of this podcast.
It's going to make your heads spin.
I've lived here for three months.
I've had nothing but issues with AT&T since the day I moved.
And I pay $100 a month for this internet. And I've had nothing but issues with AT&T since the day I moved in I pay $100 a month for this internet and I've had nothing but issue after issue after issue after issue non-stop
Canceling it if you're watching this right now and you have a TNT cancel your AT&T if you're considering getting AT&T
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AT&T is the single worst company ever created in history.
created in history
Tech&T is a anti-AT&T podcast.
On the record, it's saying it.
We will never accept AT&T sponsorship money.
Anyway, what was I saying?
Oh, golden Bitcoin.
I don't think short-term.
I don't care about short-term.
I don't care that Bitcoin's down 5% in the last three months.
Doesn't matter to me. Doesn't matter to me at all.
Here's long-term thinking. Can you name one person under 30 years old that has bought gold in their life?
You know someone?
No, I own gold, yes.
How old are you?
I'm 26.
Do you own more gold or Bitcoin?
Probably more Bitcoin than gold.
Okay, so there's no one under 30 that's like,
their main strategy, I gotta buy gold,
I gotta get more gold, right?
Bitcoin is like, I gotta get more Bitcoin. I gotta get more Bitcoin thing, right?
It's the same reason I invest in Robinhood. I don't know anyone third who's like, oh Schwab's my main platform
I love Schwab. Schwab's the best, right? Or E-Trade. Gotta get on E-Trade. It's the best platform, E-Trade, right?
Eventually the boomers are gonna be dead
And the people, that's a fact, don't act
shocked.
That's not shocking news.
Boomers are going to eventually die.
That's not shocking news.
What do you think?
They're going to live forever?
So and then the younger people are going to be the dominant generation, correct?
And the younger people, they mostly buy Bitcoin and they sign up for Robinhood.
Okay?
So I'm thinking long term. Eventually those two are going to be the winners because that's what all the younger generation is doing. So listen
Why is gold up in bitcoins steady? Who cares? It doesn't matter. I care about the future
I care about having a few money in the future and in the future
Every one all the people not buying bitcoins gonna be dead and all the people who's aggressively buying bitcoins
It's gonna have all the cash capital. So long term Bitcoin to the moon
Wow, Bitcoin X Robin Hood penny you got any thoughts I
Think I hope AT&T didn't break up that rant. Well, first of all it did again at the end
You need to get a starlink. I'm my first comment but But like, I actually think he kind of nailed it, right?
Old people buy gold and young people buy Bitcoin.
And Bitcoin is digital gold and the younger people
are the digital generation.
And I think this is probably temporary.
I think that right now though,
the old people got the money right boomers got the money
So money is gonna flow where they go and as much as I hate being a trader
You know, it might be a good trade to put your money in gold for a while. That's not my style
I'm an owner not a trader like I get emotionally attached
To my ownership in companies and to the companies that I invest in.
And I'm basically all in on Tesla
and have been for some time.
And had I loaded up on the bottom and sold on the top,
maybe I'd have more money.
But that's not what I'm trying to do.
I want to invest in the future.
So I think investing in Bitcoin is investing in the future.
Investing in gold is investing maybe in the present,
maybe in the past.
You call it what you will. But I'm not worried about the future of Bitcoin.
And I do think, although, you know, I guess, I guess it depends on where technology goes
over time and how much we need gold for things like microchips, phones, robots, whatever,
like if gold is consumed at a high rate, especially if we start printing like more and more robots and some critical aspect of that requires gold, you know, who
knows it may end up being a better investment than Bitcoin.
But at this point, that's not my sense.
Got it.
Yeah, it's intriguing.
I'm going to continue to keep my eyes on gold.
I see it going higher, definitely in the short term. So like you said, potentially a trade
there, Bitcoin for the long term. You did mention Robinhood though, a week from today,
we are going to be at Robinhood's headquarters in Menlo Park interviewing CEO Vlad Tenev.
Very excited and looking forward to this. Obviously, we're going to discuss the future
of retail investing and a few other pieces.
And yes, I am allowed to share this.
We've been confirmed for this.
And they've already published and announced the gold event and everything along those
lines.
Alex, what are you excited to talk about with LAD?
I'm excited to talk about how they'll be, well, a few things, how they're going to be evolving the platform,
right?
My issue and why I'm investing in Robinhood is a lot of other, like I was on Thinkorswim
for a long time for years, I was on E-Trade for years.
Over those years, it says trying to reconnect, make sure you have a stable connection.
Okay, I'm sure when it uploads it'll be perfect so whatever they have they
didn't change in like the ten years I used thinkorswim it didn't change once
it was the same the exact all the other platforms are the same Robin Hood is the
only financial platform I know like actively evolving like I think
thinkorswim might just be a one-person company who's just sitting there checking the email inbox
Once a week just to see if anyone's emailed them like I don't think they actually have developers changing anything
It was this literally the same platform not a single thing changed for the ten years
I was on it which I guess is a decent business model
You just don't hire you just put it out then you just sit back and watch the bank account go up
But I'm interested to see like what the future vision is looking like, what they can add, the cool fun, like
Robinhood Legends is sick. I want more cool things like that, like UI that makes it just
easier to invest. That'll be cool. I want to hear when I can get the Robinhood Gold
Card. I've been on the wait list for what feels like 98 years now. I have my entire
net worth on that platform. I must
be making them just money hand over fist year in year out. Why can't I get your credit card?
Why can't I get your gold credit card? Vlad, if you're watching this, which I know you
are, I know you watch every episode being end. My name's Alex spin, go into your database,
approve me. I have so much money on your account. I'll make your head spin. Fucking give me the gold your head spin fucking give me the gold credit card I need the gold credit card
I need the gold credit card so that's the other thing I'll ask about and I'm
just excited I'm excited to go it's gonna be fun it's gonna be a fun event
are you gonna like wear the gold credit card as a name badge or something once
you get it why are you so excited about this Robin Hood gold card?
Well, you get three percent on everything which is insane. That's incredible.
Number two is it's gold, right? It's gold. You take it out like boom gold, right? So yes, I will be like taping it to my forehead so everyone knows I have the gold card. So yeah, status and money. Why
do you do anything in life? Status and money.
Can you imagine he pulls up, just whips up in the cyber truck, rolls out with the gold
card. He's got the Apple Vision Pro on. It's going to be the full look, Penny. This is
going to be, this is how we need him to pull up.
Alex, can you bring your Apple Vision Pro when we interview Vlad?
I want you to wear it so that you can ask super good questions and really be dialed
in throughout the whole thing.
If Vlad promises me I get the gold card for doing it, I will wear the Vision Pro the entire
interview.
I can't wait.
I think that's going to be a fun one.
I'm not kidding.
Email him.
I'll do it.
For the gold card, I will wear the Vision Pro the entire time.
The entire day, the entire event beginning to end.
Just the entire event, I'll be wearing it around.
Maybe Vlad will just give you his gold card.
Maybe.
I'll take that, but there's no limit on that one.
You never know, you never know.
Oh man, fun, fun episode.
Appreciate everyone that tuned in live.
I know that we didn't really like take questions
from the audience or anything
on this one, but it was a cool, you know, experiment for us.
And we'll do more of these, uh, live for people so that you can tune in.
We had about 4,000 people tune in live, um, which is pretty fun.
So thanks to everyone that did hang out with us,
maybe drop some questions or thoughts or topics that you'd like to see on next
week's episode that we're going to do together with Vlad Tenniff, CEO of Robinhood.
If you have insights or thoughts for us to ask him,
that would be great.
We'll be having a deep dive discussion there and then we'll be back with more
tech and T to come. Alex, any other thoughts on this one?
Great, great stuff. Loved it. Uh, no, there's no more thoughts.
No more thoughts. Everything is already recorded on the, what was it? The limitless? What is it?
It's all limitless
My entire life everything's gonna be on this entire podcast and conversation will be on here
Is this named after that Bradley Cooper video where he like takes the the pills and all of a sudden everything is
He can see everything and it's all makes sense in his head. Have you seen that movie?
I I know about I haven't. I don't watch bad movies.
Oh, that's not a bad movie. You'd actually like that movie a lot, Alex. You would love
it. I'm not going to lie. It's right up your alley.
Yeah, we'll see.
Check it out. Penny, have you seen Limitless?
No, I haven't, but it seems obvious based on the description that you gave that it has it has to be related, right?
It's like to it's too good of a coincidence there
Yeah, I mean maybe it is I'm not exactly sure if anyone hasn't seen quick plug limitless great movie Bradley Cooper discovers this like
it's I guess some type of derivative of Adderall and it just opens up his brain and all the sudden he's like the
Smartest man in the world and it's just very very good movie very interesting penny. I know the thought any other thoughts on this one. We covered a lot here
It was a good episode a little growing pains going live for the first time
But I'm excited for where this goes in the future
I think if we get audience participation and questions and Evan sort of like looking through what they're doing. That's gonna be a lot of fun
I'm super excited about going up to San Francisco
and interviewing Vlad.
What a cool thing and thanks for setting that up.
Also, it's not ready now when we're live,
but by the time we release this video,
I'll probably have my game released
and subscribers will be able to play.
I've been working really hard on that.
So check out PlanetX on my profile.
There's a preview right there, right now on my pin pin post see you guys next week on Tech and T the best show on
X period next week our first in-person show my first time it'll be meeting
Penny in person I met Alex in person before but it'll be cool for us all to
be together we'll have to get some content for the Tech and T fans there we
go I got the gold crowd.
I have the gold card too.
L Alex, Alex Utopia.
There you go.
Wait, I got the gold credit card?
I have the gold.
All these people in the audience have the gold credit card,
but the guy hosting the podcast doesn't?
I'm waiting on mine as well.
Waiting on mine.
Evan has one.
He does have the actual solid gold credit card.
You could just steal his, Alex.
Did Evan, you invited 10 people to Robin Hood gold he invited like 20
something and he got them all in and that's why he got it
I'm just not gonna fucking shill Robin Hood gold I just want I want the car
without doing any work
Alex I think one post from you might do it. So we'll see you never know might be good luck
No, that's crazy
These guys sign up Robin Hood gold DM Alex if you want his code. There you go We'll make it that will make it easy for him
If you don't have Robin Hood gold DM me and then use my code and buy it so I can get this gold credit card
If you do that
Then I ever meet you in real life. I'll buy you a sandwich
Sandwiches are good. I'll take one. It's better than better than buy you a coffee buy you a sandwich
I can you know sandwiches nowadays. They're like 20 bucks a piece if you go to the right place
They're expensive or the wrong place so about by the way shout out my favorite sandwich up here in San Juan Puerto Rico
All right, that's going to do it.
We're going off the rails.
Thank you so much, everybody, for tuning into our first live episode.
We'll see you next week in person.
Have a good one.
