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Welcome to our live show!
Recorded: April 3, 2025 Duration: 0:57:02Space Recording
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In a lively episode of the Tech and Tea Podcast, hosts discuss the upcoming release featuring Robinhood's CEO, the strategic acquisition of XAI by X, and the rapid growth of AI technologies like ChatGPT, while also addressing concerns over TikTok's uncertain future and the impact of AI on platforms like Wikipedia.
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one second. All right. Hope everybody enjoyed our one minute shenanigans to get this started,
but welcome to the Tech and Tea Podcast. I'm your host, Scott Vlaxburg, here today with Alex Finn
and Penny2X. We actually didn't post an episode last week, but that's because we were recording with Vlad
Tenev, the CEO of Robinhood, and that one is going to come out very shortly. So keep your eyes out,
peeled on the timeline for that one. But right now we have a live episode for you,
and we're going to get right into things. We have a ton of topics today ranging from X,
XAI, there you go, good looking picture of the crew X Vlad that was taken. Shout out. You can
see our very professional camera. We had three of those, in fact, plus four different mics. We are
going big time here. Shout out Alex. He had the eyes closed. He knows it's how he looks best.
And shout out Vlad. He actually did the same thing. Eyes closed. Eyes closed. You know,
it's a new move. It's sweeping the nation for pictures. I was meditating on his great answer.
That's how you really digest when people are saying smart things. I hear that. I hear that. Listen, sometimes
you just got to go hard in the paint. All right. Big topics to get into today. There are so much.
Listen, it feels like we should start off the pod talking about morning routine because it's the
first thing, but screw that. We're going to circle back around to morning routine. We will get there. I had my first Saratoga water of my life recently. It was delicious, bubbly, refreshing. I'm going
to be brushing my teeth with it daily now. It's going to be great. But before we get to all of
that, there's so much else going on, specifically starting with X buying XAI. So Elon Musk sold X
to Elon Musk. Yeah, it was pretty cool.
He did the old handshake with himself and said, hey, you want to buy this?
Yeah, I'll buy it.
And then it just went the other way.
Sold for, what was it, around 40, whatever he paid for it originally, 45 billion.
I think they bought it for 44 billion, sold it for 45 billion.
Profit is profit, baby, in a market like this.
XAI is also now, it was pre-buying. So they valued that at $80 billion.
Now it's valued at, I believe, $120,000 combined with the two of them. So let's just talk about
this. What does this mean? And is it just the most perfect fit ever since they literally built XAI
on X's data and they're offering XAI through X? Alex, you want to kick us off?
I mean, I honestly don't think much changes. They were already basically integrated, right? I really don't think this literally
changed anything at all. I bet this was just like some sort of financial magic to make it so that
the people who invested in X now are invested in XAI instead, because the multiples you're
going to get on an AI company are going to be way higher
than the multiples you get on a social media company.
So I bet this was just a way for Elon to do right by the original X investors
who gave him billions of dollars so that he could take over the world.
So I really don't think this changes.
I bet the plans they had before are staying exactly the same.
I'm sure all the people of XAI had
complete access to all the data in X either way. It's not like, oh my God, it makes total sense
that they'd integrate. No, they've been integrated for a while now. So I really don't think this
changes much other than the investors of X now have much more valuable high multiple stock in
XAI instead. But we'll see, right? I still, you know, I love Elon. I think he's
the greatest entrepreneur of literally all time, the greatest businessman of literally all time.
I'm just, you know, I'm excited to see him putting more time into X now and seeing what
they can make out of it. I think there's a bunch of things that probably need to be changed,
and I'm excited to see those things changed.
Penny, I think I might have lightly talked about this with you,
and your kind of idea was that he doesn't want a million companies.
He wants a few super companies.
Are you still on that mindset?
You know, I don't know that it's that he's looking for a few super companies,
but I think in this specific case,
he's looking to increase synergy even further than it already is.
Like we know, like Alex said that X, or I think it was actually you that said it, that a lot of XAI's intelligence was built off X's data to begin with.
I know that Elon loves to share employees between companies anyway, right?
So there were already XAI engineers working on X and vice versa.
I think the idea is that the sum of the parts is
greater than the whole a social network that is like ai first is something that doesn't really
exist yet and probably does in the future and this sets up x to be the first to be the original right
i i believe that what we have here is just eliminating any sort of friction or barriers that
there were for these two companies to work together. They were already working together.
They're already both Elon companies. You even see crossover from like Tesla and SpaceX,
which are not nearly as related as X and XAI. But now it's just like, there's no argument.
There's no like making sure that you build the other company to make sure that they're paying for the employee that they're using right now or whatever.
There's all sorts of like accounting that might need to happen otherwise.
And now that it's the same company, I just think there's yeah, there's no friction.
They can work together because that's what they're supposed to do.
I think in the intro you said that X bought XAI.
It's definitely on the way around.
Sorry, XAI bought X.
Apologies.
Ops away.
It's not April Fool's Day anymore.
I shouldn't be doing that.
Penny, can we get your mic a little bit louder?
Is one of the requests coming from Alex over here.
See if we can pump that up.
Is that better?
Is it louder?
Yes.
Okay, perfect.
Alex, you're looking glorious today.
You want to tell the people what tech that took?
So I'm looking at the feed right now on my phone.
I look 40 times better than you two.
I look incredible.
I look like I'm in a movie.
Doesn't it kind of look like I'm in a movie a little bit?
You look like you're in Lord of the Rings right now,
like about to shoot someone with an arrow.
Isn't it kind of unbelievable? We all have the same tech here. We all use the same camera,
the same lenses, and yet I look 98 times better. Here's what I did. I went to factory settings and
reset my camera and then unscrewed my lens and screwed it back in. And now I look like goddamn Tom Cruise in Mission Impossible 3.
Lighting-wise, I'm sitting in front of a window,
so I got natural light coming on me.
I have a, I don't know, a regular side light that you told me to get,
Gov, coming over here.
I think the shine.
Maybe say shining on me instead of coming on me, but sure, yeah.
Keep going.
The light's coming on me. It's coming from the thing, the shine. Maybe say shining on me instead of coming on me. But sure, yeah. Keep going.
The light's coming on.
It's coming from the device.
What?
Uh-huh.
What are you laughing at?
Anyway, and then I think there's kind of from a shadows perspective.
Maybe I just have the light coming from like the perfect angle because I got like good shadows going on here, good shadows in the back.
I don't know.
I just nailed it.
I look incredible.
I'm looking at the thing. I look incredible. I'm looking at the thing.
I look incredible.
This is like steal his look, you know, that type of thing right now.
That's what I need to get going.
Also, working for me as well, I'm 14 days into this haircut.
And as anyone knows, the 14-day marker is the perfect time for a haircut to mature.
So the haircut is just fucking fire because of that 14-day marker.
I'm probably pretty close to that as well.
I actually went and got a haircut
one day before the Robin Hood event.
Shout out a little place out in San Fran.
Not exactly a mom-and-pop shop,
but yeah, I'll take it.
Okay, those were quick thoughts there on,
what'd you say?
Sports Clips.
I wish it was a Sports Clips.
I'm actually a big Sports Clips fan. Unfortunately, there was none nearby the hotel. Went to Supercuts. There you go. The
lady was very nice. She was very nice. See, the way that you just don't fuck it up is you come
with like eight pictures of exactly the haircut that you want them to give you and you make sure
they look very closely at the pictures in advance. So that's just what I do. I bring it literally
from like my haircut before that. I go, here's exactly what I want. Can you do this or not?
And if they say yes, then, you know, money back guarantee if they don't.
Dude showing up with a fucking portfolio to super cuts. Okay, dude.
Yeah, I accidentally swiped a little too far and showed her my stock tips. Should have charged her
for that. Subscribe. No, actually.
Just tune into the spaces.
All right.
So that was pretty interesting there.
X getting sold to XAI.
A lot of Elon stuff going on on the timeline and all the things across the board there.
So keep your eyes on it.
Now, one thing which God pointed out to me was the AI bots basically straining Wikipedia.
Do you guys have some insights on this?
Really? Just like crawling the pages.
Penny, did you see this?
I did see it.
Wikipedia is basically a prime real estate
to get data to train these networks, right?
Like if you don't own a social media,
if you don't own X as XAI,
you got to get your data from somewhere.
Like I believe OpenAI gets a lot of their data from Reddit. Well, Wikipedia, Wikimedia Foundation, that's like
an obvious place to go, right? It's a free source of so much different types of information. You can
get all sorts of things. Well, everyone and their mother is trying to train an AI now. So everyone
has these scrapers. They're going out to the internet. They are ingesting this data, and it's costing Wikimedia a fortune.
They may go bankrupt, and it's because of these AI bots.
It's costing them so much more.
I think they operate off donations, and they're just not getting enough donations to cover all of the bandwidth costs for these AI bots.
I thought that was kind of interesting.
Yeah, that is interesting.
I feel like they've been asking for donations on the Wikipedia
page for my entire life.
Have you guys ever donated?
No. Never in a trillion
years did I donate to that website.
They're like, please, don't buy coffee today.
Give us your money instead.
Shout out Wikipedia, though, to be honest.
I've read a whole lot of Wikipedia. What do you guys
think is the most read genre that you have read personally on wikipedia what do you mean by genre
like for me like it's probably sports like i had a phrase a phase where i just read like a million
players and sports teams i just read all their wipedias, their stats, like all that type of stuff.
Yeah, you're way dorkier than me.
I haven't done anything like that on Wikipedia.
I occasionally like that.
Let's imagine that I'm going to go travel
and I want to know what the population of the city is
that I'm going to go to.
That's like what I use Wikipedia for.
It's like very sparingly.
Interesting.
Never thought to use it for that.
Alex?
I think the only reason I've ever used Wikipedia
is to read
about the background of people, like how they
grew up. Because usually they have a background section.
But other than that,
I'm not a big fan of Wikipedia.
I hate the begging. The begging
drives me nuts. It turns me off, the begging.
So I don't like it for that.
There's clearly bias.
I don't like the bias. You can't say, oh, there's clearly bias. I don't like the bias.
You can't say, oh, we're an unbiased source and you be biased. That's kind of gross to me.
Uh, in the age of LLMs, I can't think of a single reason to use Wikipedia.
Yeah. The background stories are always quite interesting. Don't go and read Mark Wahlberg's,
uh, might ruin him for you as a person. There's, there's a very large section on hate on hate crimes uh that i did not know about until i went and was just reading through his background
um but yeah you never know what you're gonna find on wikipedia history of the baltimore ravens though
shout out that's a good one just don't cover ray lewis in 01 and we'll be all good uh all right
first football championship linebacker ray lew Big boy. Thank you. Search for it.
Well, maybe they didn't put any of the bad stuff on this page. Looks pretty good. We tried to
trade for T.O. in 04. I didn't know that. Interesting. All right. Moving on to potentially
the single greatest trend of all time on X. As per Alex Finn himself said, this is just the best meme of all time. It's all over
your timeline. It got ChatGPT or OpenAI got a, what was it, a million users in an hour or something
like that, 100 million. What was the number, producer Evan? If you want to pull that up,
the tweet that he put out there, It is the Ghibli Studio memes.
They're not going to go away.
They're going to keep coming.
I'm using them for my threads now.
We're throwing up the Ghibli memes.
Why do you think that this was like the viral moment that added the most users for OpenAI
since literally their first five days where they were the fastest growing thing ever?
They added a million in an hour.
Why is this taking over the nation there's a couple reasons for one they didn't have rules right like open ai has traditionally been like really strict about
i mean i guess like the the being politically correct aspect of things yeah and there was
nothing politically correct about what it was outputting. I mean,
like people were doing the twin towers exploding. They had all sorts of celebrities. They've since
clamped it down. Like if you try to create an image in a open AI now, it like won't even let
you create an image of yourself. It's like got so many different things that are restricting you
already. You try to do politicians that won't do it, but it was open for a while. And that was
brilliant because it just gave the possibility for so many different things to go viral. I think people love to create memes. People love to like very easily create art. They don't want to put the effort into it. And up until now, like the only really, really good image generators were behind paywalls that people didn't already have subscriptions to.
I think so many people were already on ChatGPT.
They created it and that was just like the foundation that was needed to grow and go viral.
I mean, I like them. I know Alex hates them, but it like wasn't angry political talk on the timeline.
And like, man, I'm so tired of that.
Anything that's like a little more
light-hearted i i was happy to see i mean this is like asking you know why this fortnight get
played so much because it's the lowest common denominator right it appeases the lowest iq of
individuals right anyone can go into chat gpt and say, make this Ghibli style. I've never heard of Ghibli in my life, but everyone else on X is posting this, so make it Ghibli style, right?
It's just the lowest common denominator meme right up there with the Saratoga water, right?
You could be completely brain dead and participate in this meme.
I have kind of a ratio of how I determine the quality of a meme, right?
There is kind of like what percent of it is people doing it just to get likes and what percent of it is people doing it because it's like intellectually stimulating.
And, you know, the more the percent is for the intellectually stimulating part, the better the meme is in my opinion, right?
And for the Ghibli meme and for the bananas in Saratoga water meme,
it was the largest percent of people doing it just for likes that I've ever seen.
It was 99% of people doing it, not because they found the meme intellectually stimulating,
but because, oh, other people are doing it and getting likes.
And I really want likes i want
the dopamine hit that comes from likes my entire existence is dependent on the likes i get on
social media so i'm going to take a picture uh with banana peels and oh my god penny and i'm
gonna ghibli i even look better in the fucking ghibli the the the ghibli didn't realize Penny has hair on his head. That's kind of insulting.
I don't know what that's about.
Yeah. And I got a mustache too. Dang.
That looks absolutely nothing like you, Penny. That looks like the homeless guy outside my
apartment building every other day. I don't know. That is the most insulting.
I mean, to be honest, I look kind of homeless today.
What happened to my beard?
And what is this in the bottom left that made you bald as well? I look fucking...
I don't think that's me in the bottom left.
I think that's me in the bottom middle.
Yeah, that is you in the bottom middle.
Who's that in the bottom left?
I don't know.
It just made an extra penny because neither of us are wearing headphones.
Wait, is that...
Is that...
I'm not going to say it.
Never mind.
Yes!
I think that's what it is in the bottom left.
It is.
It is.
It is.
Oh, man. Oh, dox. Dox. Dox. Dox. Dox. Dox. Dox. Dox. Dox. Dox. Dox. Dox. Dox. say it never mind oh doc doc wow anyway uh i won't say the name but it says it's penny it's penny 2x2x and alex famine if you see they got names on there it even got the lighting right in my ghibli meme
but i'll wrap up the point here.
It's the most brain-dead memes in the world.
I hate it.
I can't wait for it to end.
It's people just doing it to get likes.
And just to kind of contrast it, my favorite meme – oh, okay, never mind.
Not doxxed.
My favorite meme is the bell curve meme because that's – you can't just put it out there.
It has to be good for it to do well.
That's a very high intellectually stimulating meme so i can't wait for this meme to just
fucking die already i i see a new one every day that makes me laugh i don't know it's something
like you said maybe yeah i see a new ghibli meme daily that makes me laugh what did i send i sent
one in our group chat i sent one in our group chat
the other day or maybe i texted it to you and i think you actually might have found it somewhat
funny the last one that i sent you which one did i send him yeah oh no i sent him the ghibli one of
the the the girl showing the guy like i used ai to turn this uh here wait let me see if i can give
this to evan real quick the only funny ghibli memes were when they took really fucked up scenarios and then turned it into ghibli that's the only time it's it's ever been funny yeah i just oh
we're being told that the audio sounds bad on stream yeah this happened freaking last week too
i don't know what it is our audio sounds fine on the here in the recording and afterwards i don't
know what it is with x something about it man um i don't know we'll figure it out maybe if we have to do
the live stream breaking up yeah maybe we have to do the live stream from uh from restream or
something like that just stream yard works go stream yard stream yeah yeah yeah and then maybe
maybe we'll record on the back end in in uh riverside maybe we'll just double it up on both
yeah that was a funny one you like that one penny uh that was good that's i'm not gonna lie
and his girlfriend there.
Yeah, that's what I thought.
Times like this are just when
you've got to have a meme folder
stocked these days and ready to go.
Last night, I was
firing off memes about tariffs.
I had a meme this morning before market opened.
Memes are just killing it right now.
And the Ghibli memes make them so fun and relatable.
I don't know. Any final thoughts there, Penny?
No, I'm going to wait.
I think they're funny.
This one was a little bit more nice, but the Robina meme, this one was good.
I feel like this is a good little meme format.
You had a meme?
These are good.
You've had better memes lately, Gov.
I'll be honest.
I have a meme folder with like 150, 200 just like very reusable memes.
And I just find situations.
You know what?
So your account, you post half memes, half like legitimately good financial advice.
Your memes perform way better.
I got just like the state of the world.
Your memes perform better than your legitimately good financial advice.
I had another good one last night.
Oh, well, okay.
I mean, it's going to have a link in it.
It's not going to do as good.
This one was all right for us.
Wait, I had another good one last night, though.
That one was okay.
Evan wrote that one.
This one I thought was good.
I always like the ones that have the bear, the bull.
You got to go best-top giving good advice, and you got to go 100% brain dead memes.
That's the strategy if you want to go.
Shout out to Walls.
Balls to the walls.
Yeah, so Alex did bring it up.
He said that the Ghibli meme is his favorite but only to – second favorite, only to the Saratoga one.
I don't know if everyone else heard that beforehand.
So the morning one. So I wanted to get to you to your thoughts. So I think that this is just a category
called hustle porn is what I'm titling it. And I think that's what it is pretty much when people
are showing off. Now, have you noticed that not a single person in any of these videos that are
showing off morning of your routine, they're always alone. There's never a partner, kids
texting their mom, good morning. They're just alone,
or they have a bodyguard that's driving the car behind them as they're running.
Have you guys noticed that? I like what you're talking about.
Yoga pants cutting up their bananas. I've seen that slipped in a bunch.
What is the implication here? Is the implication that everyone who hustles hard is a loner?
Is that the implication? Unless I guess you you're mr beast and you're doing it together
by the way do you see the beast weights custom beast weights kind of sick no one will jump on
a trend faster than mr beast huh oh oh man and then he showed his evening routine so wait so
let's talk real quick so alex you're actually a very routine based person a little bit. I would say you talked to me about your nighttime. What's
your morning routine? Uh, my morning routine is, is pretty simple. Uh, I wake up, I immediately
make a latte. Uh, and then I read for like an hour. I, I, there's a direct correlation between
the amount of time I'm on, uh, the internet and my mental health. So of time I'm on the internet and my mental health.
So the less I'm on the internet, the better my mental health is.
So I go out of my way first hour of the day, last hour of the day to not be on the internet.
Although I've changed my nighttime routine a little bit lately, now I actually code for the last hour of the day.
Because I started a side project, which I'm actually incredibly excited about.
And so I ensure that I at least get a little bit of code done in the side project every night.
But every morning, wake up.
Oh, it's a good place to start waking up.
And then read.
I just read for like an hour.
Do not look at my phone.
Do not look at my computer.
And then my brain, brain feels very refreshed.
There's a lot of people, oh, you got to get into deep work right away.
I don't know.
I feel like I start off on like a bad foot if I'm like looking at the internet first hour of the day.
So that's my morning routine.
Do you use anything special for the latte?
special for the latte? Is this just ordinary latte? We got a Breville a couple months ago,
Is it just ordinary latte?
which is like the espresso machine. It's fucking fantastic. It's amazing. It makes the highest
quality lattes I've ever tasted. It's also nice. For those who use Keurig and stuff,
I used to use Keurig and espresso. It's nice kind of doing the things and the twists and the pulls.
It feels like you're crafting something
first thing
in the morning and you feel more connected with it
and it's kind of a vibe.
Anyone doing Keurig and Nespresso, get the machines
where you're going to go
because then you just feel like you built
something to start the day. That feels very
nice.
Don't you build enough stuff already?
I don't need to build my own coffee, Alex.
My morning routine is wake up and do everything unhealthy.
I look directly at my phone.
Now, it definitely depends on the day.
It's funny you mentioned they're all alone.
My mornings are so determined by whether or not I have my kids around
and what
i need to do on the days when i'm taking to school it's like wake up first thing in the morning uh
five seconds before i need to leave and just sort of like pry my eyes open and drive them to school
that's my morning routine nice nice um what do you got the master disaster the guy who owns wolf finance and wolf's uh studios
and uh web3 wolf what do you what do you do in the morning how'd you get to this point
that's the machine right there fire five hundred dollars amazon pick it up great question great
question so it does definitely differ a little bit each morning but there's some core components
unfortunately similar to penny i would say more often than not,
I am pretty quickly going to the phone
and I probably spend about five to 10 minutes
just swiping away notifications
and going through the ones that are important,
making sure that like my team,
there's no emergencies that are happening,
making sure that if any meetings have been moved
or anyone messaged me or something like that,
I can move those things out of the way. So honestly, I get on and I'm just swiping. I
probably wake up with like 100 notifications every morning, just like stuff from like the
stock market, emails, team messages. I'm in like probably 50 to 100 group chats just for work stuff.
And so there's constantly notifications coming from those on a daily basis. And so
I do try to sort through that.
I will say, with a little bit of willpower, oftentimes I do pray before I get to the phone.
If I'm doing anything before getting on my phone, it is just basically the prayer.
That's usually what's happening.
So I strap on if anyone...
What do you pray for?
Yeah, so if anyone's familiar with Jewish prayer,
so you're technically supposed to pray three times a day.
There's something in the morning called shachras,
one in the middle of the day called mincha,
and one at the end of the day called marav.
And so I do shachras, which is kind of like my beginning thing.
And so it's a pretty standardized prayer.
I mean, there's something called a sidor, which is like a prayer book.
And then there's just like blessings that you start the day with.
You know, thank God for this. Thank God for breathing, thank God for this. You're basically
just thanking God for like five to ten minutes that you're alive and healthy and world's going,
and then the last prayer is like asking for stuff for yourself, and so usually that one just rotates
around like what's happening on the day, what I need, what's going on. I kind of feel, unfortunately,
you know, humans, the way that we're built is like, I pray a lot harder when things are not going as good versus like the moments where everything's good. But I do try
to keep that modicum of consistency of at least getting on each day and saying some type of prayer
and getting in. I also do strap on tefillin, which are like these like boxes that you wrap
onto your arm and that go on top of your head that have these leather straps that come around.
It's like a very classic thing. You get it when you turn 13 and you become a man in Judaism. And then I also
put on like a prayer shawl, which is called a talus, which is just basically you can think about
like a shawl. So I do put all that on. I pray. I would say a long prayer for me is like 10 minutes.
Short's like four minutes. And then I kind of move on to that next thing. Also, I will say,
as I am putting on the stuff to pray,
I do listen to my fantasy football podcast. Usually that's like probably the first thing
I do in the morning is I turn on like fantasy football or NFL draft or something podcast.
It's like the first thing that goes in. That's Alex's reading is me listening to my podcast.
And so that comes in, get the prayer going. Then I go into the kitchen, usually say good morning to my fiance. She usually finds me at some point around then. She's up, her and Evan, who I currently live with, are up way earlier than me. They get up at like 6 or 7 a.m. in the morning. I get up at like 9 in the morning. So there's a very big difference in those areas. my ag1 i take my creatine with it i take six milligrams of creatine which is like a little
heavy but i'm you know trying to push and then i take my protein powder then i wash all those get
them all ready for the next day and then ideally at that point i'm going to the gym hit the gym
this morning the chest um so that's kind of like my morning routine i would say it's like
prayer phone swiping notifications ag1 protein powder saying hi to the fiancee, Jim. And then
unfortunately, most days I just sit down and just work for about eight to 10 hours right after that.
So that's kind of the routine, I would say. You had mentioned before that you did prayer in the
mornings, but I had no idea that you'd like wrap those blocks on you and stuff. Is that something
that you've been doing like your whole life? Yeah. So Evan, maybe you could show, type
in tefillin, see if we can get a picture so people can have a visual of what this is. But yeah, so
in Jewish culture, when you turn 13, you get a pair and these things are like very well handcrafted.
I mean, I've had these for 13 years and they're still going strong after, you know, many, many,
many thousands of wraps. So I actually went, which was cool.
So my dad took me when I was 12.
There you go, literally looks like that.
Straps on, wraps on your arm,
there's a box on the head, box on the arm.
There's little scrolls inside of those boxes,
tiny scrolls, and handwritten on them
is like large passages from the Torah,
which is like Jewish Bible.
And so they take me to this factory,
and they literally showed me like the process
of how they take the cowhide.
Those are all made out of leather,
the whole thing, how they press it and stuff.
And then you get them when you turn 13.
It's like your gift from your parents to you.
And so I put them on,
you put them on Sunday through Friday,
just not Saturday.
And I put them on for probably four or five years
from when I was 13.
And then I kind of took a break when I was 18.
And then I got back to when I was 21.
And every single Sunday through Friday for the last five, six years, I put them on and prayed. Yeah,
it's like a whole process. How long does it take for you to get prepared? Not long at all. To wrap,
to fill in like a minute. I mean, at this point, it's very muscle memory. You slide the first one
up on your arm, you wrap it around. There's actually a certain like different structures
with the way that you're doing it. So I actually form Hebrew letters with the way that I wrap it on my arm.
So I form what's called like a shin on like my forearm. And then I do seven wraps on my long arm,
which has some type of symbolism. And then I wrap on my hand and I form the word Shema in Hebrew,
actually by wrapping in that design, which means like listen. And it's actually what we say when
we pray is we're saying like, God, like please listen to me.
And so I form that and then I put the one on my head
and then I put on the prayer shawl.
Takes me about a minute.
Isn't the shin on the dreidel?
I feel like that's the bad one, right?
Don't you lose when you hit the shin?
There is a shin on the dreidel.
I do think that you lose.
I don't remember if you lose half of your money
or if you lose all of your money on a shin.
But yeah, it's the one that you don't want to spend
on the dreidel, but that's dreidel. But it's a letter.
It's interchangeable in other areas.
Sorry if I'm going on too long here with this stuff.
I appreciate the questions.
I don't really talk about this a whole lot.
But it's my morning routine.
I will notice that.
Fire morning routine.
I appreciate it.
I would say I noticed that Ashton Hall does not pray in the morning was one thing I did
notice in there.
He does journal, wipes his face with banana peels. but I'm not sure I saw prayer. Did you guys?
I also noticed that Ashton Hall was a construction worker three years ago,
and then somewhere in the last three years, all of a sudden, he lived in a penthouse in Dubai
without any explanation whatsoever of how that happens. That's an interesting thing I noticed as
well. Saratoga water, baby. It will get you places you never would have dreamed. I did have a saratoga water baby uh it'll get you places you never would have dreamed i did have a saratoga water i'll just say this and i'm not accusing him of anything
but if you go from really poor to really rich and all of a sudden you're living in dubai
uh crypto scams yeah might might have been a token involved who knows there might have been
a token involved and i'm not saying he did this i'm just saying if if someone randomly goes from dead ass broke to living in dubai with no explanation
crypto scams yeah yeah do you allegedly allegedly alex is your nighttime routine
okay here we go nighttime routine is your nighttime routine very similar i know that you read. I used to have a really good nighttime routine before.
Now I do. I read an hour before bed every night. But now that I, since I started my own business
and quit my job, I, I usually leave the fun stuff right nights So I'll play like a few games of Marvel Rivals to wind down a little bit.
That's my new obsession.
Do you have to go until you get a dub?
What's that?
Do you have to go until you get a dub?
If I did that, I'd be staying up till 9 in the morning every night.
I hit Diamond 2 and I can't win a game for my life right now.
But now I'm also coding as well a little bit.
So I play a couple games of Marvel Rivals, code my little side project so I make sure I get just 1% further in that every night.
And then I read for like an hour.
Reading knocks me out.
I cannot go to sleep unless I read it.
Reading knocks me out.
I'm turning on some lights.
Be right back.
What's that?
We're in the middle of a podcast here, Gov.
What's going on here?
I'm coming back here i'm coming
back i'm coming back i just we're live on x i'll turn on my life 1600 followers it's getting a
little dark in here um yeah yeah interesting penny um what are you thinking nighttime routine
putting the kids to bed singing lullabies i do i do actually uh legitimately do that i
learned how to play guitar when i was in high school or something,
and I took decades of really not playing, and I sold all my instruments.
But when I had kids, I bought one again, and I sing them bedtime stories.
I'd bust out the guitar and sing about a dragon.
Other than that, though, honestly, my routine is putting my kids down,
and then once they're down, it's like write code.
You know, I'm working on a side project.
Also, get back on X like I do first thing in the morning.
Like I'm not really good at routines.
My routine is think about what's the most important thing to do right now and immediately focus everything on that.
That's just kind of how I roll.
OK, so both you
guys just mentioned writing code I wanted to get your guys thoughts because Alex had a very
passionate post about how there's still a ton of value in learning how to code and items like this
but I want to get your thoughts because you know AI can is AI going to get to a place where it can
basically do the code for you obviously right now you still have to parse through it and
fix things up and pieces like that but like what about in like a year or two like is ai just going
to be as good as someone knowing how to code ai is already better than us at a lot of things right
like if you are talking about speed specifically and you have a very well-defined problem a hundred
percent it's a fact that the llm is going to output the code faster than you, and it's going to work just as good, right?
So in certain ways, it's better, but you need to, it doesn't yet have the ability to like step back, abstract the problem, and spread out the solution over multiple areas, right?
Like most enterprise problems, most big problems, they have solutions that span multiple different areas, and it all needs to sort of like communicate with each other.
The AI can't do that now.
It'll 100% get to the point where like literally the idea of having a job doesn't even make sense.
Where everything is just going to be done for us and our job will be to enjoy life, right?
To like go on a quest of life and like maybe level up your skills as much as you can.
Become the best human that you can.
But not because you need to,
to get hired for a job,
just because that's the meaning of life is to like be the best that you can.
But in that transition between now and whatever day it is that AI and robots
do everything for us,
which I think is creeping up quickly,
but it still could be as much as like,
let's say 10 years or somewhere in that range before enough robots have been
manufactured that like all of these jobs are taken over. As we're transitioning,
there's going to be a ton of value. The people who are able to connect all of those dots and
let the AI do like the small pieces, but put them all together to add that context,
they're going to be more valuable and more leverage than ever.
And it's also easier to learn than ever.
So if you have the type of mind that can do programming, I think you're going to have
as big of an opportunity as anyone has ever had as a human to really, as one person, make
a huge impact.
You can do things with one person now that used to take entire teams, and I think that
that leverage is just going to continue until we're not needed anymore.
And it's like one person, the AI just sort of does it all.
But I agree.
I think over the next five, ten years, whatever it is, is probably going to be one of the more lucrative times to write code.
We are in the wildest of times.
On my screen right now
is the number one game in the world,
Schedule 1.
It's a game where you grow weed
and cook crack and make meth
and then go around selling the meth
and crack and weed
to people in your neighborhood
so you can grow your cartel
as large as possible.
It's the number one game in the world.
It's made tens of millions of dollars in just a few days.
It is made by one single person.
One single person went in and built this game where you go around selling crack
and trying to make as much money you can off your crack.
One person could do it.
He made tens of millions of dollars overnight up.
There's games
on Steam, Assassin's Creed Shadows, right? This game took eight years to build, has thousands
of developers on it, right? They kind of make the most perfect graphics. They try to shoehorn in
tons of social messages about racism and hierarchies. It's a game that takes place in feudal Japan, but half
the cast is black, right? They are losing hundreds of millions of dollars on it. This one guy goes
by himself, builds a game. You can cook crack and sell it. Now he's making tens of millions of
dollars by himself. We are living in a day and age where you can just go build something by yourself
and then release it and make absolutely tremendous amounts
of money and run circles around everyone else out there who's like tons of team and money and stuff
poured into it you have this opportunity right now do you need to learn how to code to do something
like this no you absolutely do not i am a hundred percent convinced people can go out there and uh
i'm not gonna fall straight you go out there and uh i'm not gonna put it full screen you go out there
and just build whatever even with zero program knowledge but i still think programming is not
dead it will always be relevant because the more you understand how things work
the faster you'll move right i think you'll move a little bit slower if you don't know how to
program but here's the thing moving slower is still faster than how fast 99 of people
are moving right now 99 of people on this planet are born and then they do nothing and then they
die right that's their 99 of people they're born they use up a ton of oxygen and then they die
right so even if you're moving slow you're moving faster than the rest of the drones on planet Earth.
So I think programming will always be relevant, right?
If you know programming, you'll be able to move much faster.
But even if you don't know how to program, if you use AI to build shit, you're still moving faster than 99% of people.
So you need to be building something, right?
I built CreatorBuddy.
That's taken off.
That's the most popular AI tool ever created, maybe the most popular software ever created, right? I built CreatorBuddy. That's taken off. That's the most popular AI tool ever
created. Maybe the most popular software ever created, right? You can still go out and build
stuff. You've got to be doing something. You've got to be doing it. You can just do things.
Yes. Well put. Yeah. A lot of good thoughts there. I agree with you guys. It's hard to
truly master something if you're just relying
on something else, right? At the end of the day, the people that know how to code, right, or whatever
it is, using AI to accentuate that, right? I think that you're going to see like accountants
using AI and stuff, but the people that already know how to do the accounting are going to do
better because they will know the backend. So yeah, it makes a lot of sense to me. It's kind
of like teaching somebody else something.
All right, real quick,
because we mentioned this beforehand,
Alex, I know I've said Saratoga a lot of times,
but you're a Spring Valley kind of guy.
Is that, are you a Stan?
Mountain Valley.
Mountain Valley, spring water.
Mountain Valley, so it's in the green bottle.
You know, I've, ever since CreatorBuy started bringing me in a couple extra bucks a year. I decided,
okay, if I'm going to upgrade any part of my lifestyle, it's going to be the water I consume.
So I almost exclusively consume mountain Valley, which is just the freshest water you can drink.
It's got magnesium in it. Naturally magnesium. All humans are magnesium deficient. You sleep
better. You live better. You eat better. So I'm more of a mountain valley. Saratoga is kind of a normie water. If you're the type of person that enjoys Ghibli memes
and Saratoga memes and people rubbing banana peels on their faces, yeah, go right ahead and enjoy
your Saratoga water, your low life, right? Mountain Valley is a little more for the high
taste individual who wants the kind of more natural water. I love how this article is why Mountain Valley Spring Water is the best spring water,
and it's written by Mountain Valley, the one that he was just showing right there.
Who would understand Mountain Valley water more than Mountain Valley?
I trust them.
Is it sparkling or no?
You could get sparkling if you want.
Do you like the sparkling or no?
Hell no.
I hate sparkling water.
What's wrong with you?
It burns my mouth. Actually, this water is too boring for me. I need sparkling water. What's wrong with you? It burns my mouth.
Oh, this water is too boring for me.
I need to have bubbles in it.
I need to be more stimulated.
This flat water is not stimulating enough for me.
Please, someone put bubbles in my water.
Evan actually doesn't like carbonation in his water either.
So there you go.
Penny?
I am definitely a carbonation guy.
But I mean, okay, so does water go bad?
It's fresh, fresh, fresh water carbonated.
The question, does water go bad?
Is that what you just asked?
Yeah, that's exactly what I asked.
You said it's the freshest, the freshest water.
Make sure, Penny, you got to get fresher water.
Your water's expired. Dump it out. Just dump out the water. Well, I was making got to get fresher water. Your water's expired.
Dump it out.
Just dump out the water.
Well, I was making fun of you by asking that.
You got by dinosaurs 18 billion years ago, Penny.
Yeah, you said it was the freshest water you could get, this whatever, mountain spring water or whatever it is.
No, I buy the cheapest.
I buy the cheapest.
Straight from the river to your fucking pie hole.
So that it doesn't go bad while it's on its way i
mean i don't know just because something's fresher doesn't mean it got honey doesn't expire honey is
the only food in the world that doesn't expire but you can still have trash honey straight from the
hive is that i don't think i don't think that there's any changes whatsoever to the the water
molecule the longer that you wait from the time that it lands
in the spring yes it has more opportunity to be contaminated with others bullshit so filter it i
mean i don't know i i buy the i buy uh cans of sparkling water the cheapest ones that i can get
when they go on sale i stock brand uh just like um i don't know whatever the ralph's like generic brand is yeah and i also
have a soda stream which i think is actually more expensive than when i buy the cans uh i'll fill it
up from the filter on my fridge and use the soda stream i bought that like i don't know five years
ago and i still use it but i i'm sure if i do the math that's like more expensive than the other
ways i buy water i i do like sparkling here and there.
It's more like a restaurant thing for me.
I drink a lot of still, I'd say, at home.
But I've also been drinking a lot of coconut water.
And I went to Costco and bought like a 20-pack of the Vita Cocoa.
People are very torn on coconut water.
People either love it or hate it.
I don't feel like there's anyone in the middle.
You guys, Alex, do you hate it?
I like it.
The issue is when I drink it i poop six
times that day i just try not to drink calories like i almost never drink anything that has
calories besides water yeah i don't i don't drink soda or alcohol stuff like that um with the calorie
shout out did they have good wine at the uh rob, Robin Hood event? It was good. It was,
that's so funny going to an event with like literally no one that drinks. And I don't even
really drink either, but I feel like when I get a free drink, I have to get my money's worth.
So I like, you know, I went and got my money's worth and I had my one glass of wine and, uh,
you know, I didn't even bother to read what the label was. So I don't know if it was expensive
or whatever, but it was a nice wine.
I have had very nice wines.
I've lived in Europe and traveled Italy.
I've also had, like, businesses buy me wine.
One time when I went out on a recruiting trip, someone bought me a $10,000 bottle of wine at dinner and we split it with the table.
I couldn't really tell the difference between that and, like, a $100 bottle of wine.
So it seemed like a total waste.
Have you been to Santorini? No, I have not been to Santorini.
Here, they have good wine. That's the tourist trap of Greece. If you go to Santorini, you're basic.
Wow. Wow. There you go. Well, I don't drink wine and I probably have had less than 20 glasses in
my entire life. So yeah, there you go.
All right.
Two last rapid fire topics here that I wanted to hit.
I want to talk about the TikTok acquisition.
I want to talk about Gemini.
Let's just hit Gemini real quick.
I don't trust Gemini.
Gemini has Gemini 2.5 Pro coming out.
I just don't trust Gemini, to be honest.
I feel like I ask and it just straight lies to me.
And it confidently lies to me from Google.
Do you guys have this too?
Where like, I will ask Gemini and Grok and they will just give different answers.
And Gemini just is not true.
This is a recent thing?
Yeah, I just don't trust Gemini.
What did you ask Gemini where it lied to you?
The square footage of the Kennedy Space Center.
And it just lied? It just gave me the wrong answer
it was just an incorrect answer
I checked it on Grok
I don't know about that
every LLM has their
I think their best purpose
and for me
Claude is kind of the best vibes
Grok is kind of the best thinker and
planner. Right there, by the way, 6,000 acres. It's not 6,000 acres. I don't know if they're
pulling their info wrong or something like that. It is way larger than 6,000 acres.
Sorry. Gemini 2.5? What is the difference between Gemini and Gemini 2.5 Pro?
2.5 Pro is their state-of-the-art model.
Okay. Do you use it? Yeah. Okay. Sorry. I cut you off. What were you saying?
Well, first, so every LLM has kind of their strength, right? Claude is, for me, kind of
vibes. When I talk to it, it feels the most human. That's the one I go to when I want to be
conversational. Grok, I think, is kind of the best planner. That's the one I go to when I want to be conversational.
Grok, I think, is kind of the best planner and high-level thinker.
So if I have to put a plan together, I go to Grok.
Gemini 2.5 Pro, for me, I think is now state-of-the-art when it comes to coding.
I think it's unbelievable when it comes to coding.
I did a test.
I put out a YouTube video about this.
I said, build me a Minecraft clone. And I gave it to Claude. I gave it to Grok. I gave it to
ChadGPT. I gave it to Gemini 2.5 Pro. No model came out with anything even playable on the first
prompt. Gemini 2.5 Pro gave me like a Minecraft game like it I had different blocks
I could put it down and it's an entire world and I could walk around one prompt
So I think from a raw coding perspective Gemini 2.5 Pro is the best if I were to ask what's the square foot?
I'd probably go to I'd probably go to grow rock
You know, that's a that's the question any LM should be able to answer
So I go to grok just because it's the fastest on my phone to go to because I'm always an X.
But, like, I think if I were to code, I'd go to Gemini 2.5 Pro.
The issue is it seems it's not as well integrated into Cursor and Windsurf just yet.
I still get better output with Claude and Cursor and Windsurf.
But if you're, like, trying to get code straight from the llm on the website i think
gemini 2.5 pro is absolutely unbelievable what version of clod are you using by the way are you
on 3.7 3.7 thinking or are you using 3.5 when you're in cursor i use 3.7 uh i do believe
3.5 is easier to use than 3.7 uh I think if you just kind of give your normal prompting techniques,
3.5 gives you better output.
But if you learn how to control,
the issue with 3.7 is it just does too much.
It just does too much.
It goes off and it does too much,
which is very frustrating at times.
So if you learn how to talk to it very specifically,
I think you get better results with 3.7 than 3.5, but you just have to talk to it very specifically i think you get better
results with 3.7 than 3.5 but you just have to put a little bit more work for it uh but yeah i mean
that's an issue right now 3.5 was revolutionary because you could just say whatever you could
talk to like a human being and it just knows what to do and it goes to do it 3.7 just does a little
too much so if you learn how to communicate with it, I think you do get better results. I switch back and forth. I use 3.7 for like trying to one-shot big prompts. And if I'm
trying to like be surgical and make changes, then I switch back to 3.5 because you're right. It runs
away. It does too much. It's like, I try to like change one small thing and it changes my whole
code base. I'm like, what are you doing? Get out of here. The most frustrating thing it does is
like, if you just ask it a question, it then goes and just change. Like I'll ask a question like what, what, like I want to build
this feature. What would be the best way to do it? And like what I want is just like a plan.
Give me a plan. Give me an answer. It's like, oh, here's the best way to do it. And then it goes
and builds 20 different features. Like I didn't even like, so I have to end every prompt with
don't do anything. Just answer the question every time I prompt it, which is kind of annoying.
All right. Last topic here, TikTok acquisition acquisition so now everybody's trying to buy tick tock
it seems amazon bezos trying to buy tick tock mr b's trying to buy tick tock freaking the founder
or ceo of only fans is put in a bid to buy tick tock do you guys have any thoughts on this
tick tock do you guys have any thoughts on this what's the latest on polymarket about that like
who's who's gonna win i don't know i think all the billionaires want a social network right
i guess i think work holds at the top of polymarket at the moment i i just i think this is a
whole lot to do about nothing this is the 90th time we're discussing who's buying TikTok. And like,
what's going to end up happening is it's probably going to be piecemeal between 40 different
companies and people. And like, nothing's going to really change with it at all. And nothing's
going to come out of it whatsoever. I don't know. It's kind of frustrating. Like I'm kind of a free market maxi and to not only demand that a thing needs to get
sold, but then make it so like it's specific investors, the ones getting the whole thing
feels kind of weird to me. You know, the whole thing just feels kind of icky. I don't get it.
I don't know why we're doing it. It just, I don't know. I, I'm not in love with the idea of the
whole thing that's going down here. Alex, if you show them your new look here on camera they might want to
sell it to you next thing i might fucking buy it dude i'm fucking making 20k a month over here on
creator buddy how much is tiktok 20k sold easy penny i need general penny do you let your kids
watch tiktok definitely not um although i'll admit they're on youtube and they end up watching Penny, do you let your kids watch TikTok? Definitely not.
Although I'll admit they're on YouTube and they end up watching YouTube shorts, which like, is that really a whole lot different than TikTok?
Probably not.
They don't post, which I feel like TikTok is, you know, like social network sort of also.
I don't know if I want to get them involved with that.
But I think short form in general is like so super toxic I think it rots our brain and I really wish that I could like wave a magic one and humanity would be more interested in long form and like less addicted to this like dopamine hit
short form stuff but I think it's like built into us and right now that's the best way for these
networks to grow and make money and specifically to get people to just like stick and stare at their screen and not leave forever.
So I'm constantly fighting my kids about that.
It's like get off of your screen and like go do something that requires a little bit more effort and time.
Like even if you're just playing a video game, like that's another piece of news.
The Switch 2 is going to come out kind of soon.
Like, even if they just want to, like, play Minecraft on the Switch, as long as they're building something, at least they're, like, actively engaging their brain.
I hate short form.
I don't participate in it at all.
I don't watch any short form on any platform, really.
I guess that's not true i do catch myself occasionally i know that they haven't like officially uh released vine or they haven't officially released like a video only tab on x
but when you play a video and it finishes it just like goes to the next one right and i do find
myself caught in that loop occasionally where i watch like five ten short form videos on X because they're getting good at feeding
me that next one.
That's got a good hook that like, I like, Oh, the, in the first three seconds, it's enough
where I watched the next 20 seconds.
So, uh, I hate it.
I wish that it would just die.
I wish that we would like make a nuclear agreement, you know, like, Hey, we're just not going
to make any more nukes.
We're not going to do like short form optimized stuff because it's killing our kids' brains. It's killing all of
our brains. As we have like less to do when things get automated, it'll probably have an even bigger
impact, right? Like you're not going to have an incentive to get up and go do something because
you're just going to like doom scroll. So I wish it would die. It's not going to die.
Someone's going to buy it.
I guess I don't really care who does. I actually just wish that no one bought it and X released Vine and that like replaces it for the U.S. users.
And like hopefully they can guide it down a path that's like better for your mental health.
I don't think that's going to happen.
Penny wants it all shut down.
Take it away.
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Alex, any quick final thoughts on this one?
Quick final thoughts.
I don't know.
Use AI, code shit.
It seems there's new AI agents coming out every day.
I was just looking at...
I subscribe to them all.
I subscribe, any AI agent that comes out,
I immediately just buy it and start playing around with it.
There's a new one called Convergence.ai,
which I'm playing around with, which seems pretty cool.
Manus is unbelievable.
If you haven't played, they just opened up Manus
so anyone can use it.
The AI agents are next level stuff.
Where's my limitless thing?
It's supposed to be here sooner than later.
Ooh, I got it. So let's just say when I'm cooking as a side project, which I think it's going to
become the biggest AI app ever made, inspired a little bit by what Limitless is doing.
Yeah, I want my thing. Give it to me. Penny, what else do you got for us today?
Man, I just keep cranking away at the game I'm building.
It's now playable on the phone,
but there's no real purpose behind it.
I've been working on the engine
and making everything playable.
Now I need to make it a game, right?
So I'm working on creating a purpose
and having some fun things to do once you log in.
I'll be sharing that with my subscribers first,
hopefully in the next few days or week.
But I said that a few days or a week ago and I have kids,
so I get busy,
but anyway,
yeah,
that's what I'm working on all the time.
I hope people check it out and support me there.
And other than that,
man,
I'm excited for the Vlad interview.
People better subscribe so they don't miss that.
That was great.
And let's get cooking on our next guest.
Yeah, subscribe.
When are we getting that?
As soon as I can figure out how to transfer 500 gigabytes of data to Europe,
we should have it relatively soon after that.
So, yeah, if anybody...
What are you doing?
Yeah, to be honest, it's a good idea.
I probably should have done that already.
All right.
AI is going to solve all of our issues.
AI is the answer to the world's greatest problem,
specifically my ineptitude with uploads.
That's going to do it for this one.
Thank you so much, everyone, for tuning in.
We had a great time, as always.
Thank you to producer Evan on the back end.
Thank you to editors David, Carl,
everybody helping out on that side of things.
I think we can do more fun stuff with shout outs here at the end,
but it's a work in progress.
Appreciate everyone that rolled in from the space with us.
Shout out God.
Shout out God.
Shout out God.
The G-O-D, the big one.
Thought about 6K live viewers.
Love to see it.
And we'll see you all on the next one.
Take care.
Farewell.
