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What Does Success and Burnout Look Like in #Web3 ?🎙️ @WhaleCoinTalk
Recorded: May 24, 2023 Duration: 3:03:46Space Recording
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5 to 10 million? Is that getting a million followers on Twitter? Is it building a successful
DeFi protocol? I'm sure you could probably say all those things are finding success in
Up3, but we want to get people's anecdotal context based on their own experience, based
on their accomplishments or what they aspire to accomplish. Andrew, I know we're still
waiting for panelists to join up, but what was the reason that you chose this topic?
No, so everyone talks about, I guess, quote-unquote, making it in Web3, and I want to have a discussion
around what, quote-unquote, making it means to them, because obviously people came in
here with different motives, and I kind of want to undress all those motives and see
what people initially wanted to do within Web3 and why.
Got it. Yeah, let's bring up CryptoJesus. We got Matt on the mic as well, and yeah, I feel
like a lot of people get into Web3 because they're trying to make money, and I'd be happy
to hear others that got in for other reasons, but I think most people heard the story of
Bitcoin. They hear the meme coin fiasco that's going on right now, and they say, I want a
piece of the pie, and they join, and they end up staying for the tech. A lot of people
end up building businesses, whether it's a media company, whether it's a marketing company,
whether it's, again, a DeFi protocol or a play-to-earn game, a Web3 game, rather. And
so I'll be curious to know what some of the panelists think about what success should look
like in Web3, why you guys got into the industry to begin with, and how far you've come. So
how far you've come, or rather, how far you've currently come and how far you have to go in
order to reach the dreams that you aspire to in this industry? What's up, CoinMerge? What's
going on, man? I'm assuming that's A1 behind the mic. What's going on, man?
Hey, not much appreciated, buddy.
But yeah, we're still waiting for some panelists to join, and I am still kind of jet-lagged,
still kind of BTC Miami-lagged. That was a pretty insane conference. I preferred ConsenSys,
honestly, but BTC Miami was a close second, just because it was smaller, which I like in
some ways, and I don't like in other ways, but it focused more on BTC. It was more of an
educational experience, rather than going booth to booth, trying to connect with everyone.
No, I have to ask real quickly. Obviously, the team was there in BTC Miami. Did VCon look
a lot more fun than BTC Miami? I have to ask, from an outsider perspective. CryptoJays run
up those 100%, so I assume that, you know, that's a yes. Tally down below, shout out Tally
was also at VCon, had a hell of a time, looked like on the timeline. But no, I love to know
that kind of insider perspective.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know much about BTC Miami, or sorry, I don't know much about
VCon, to be honest. I haven't seen many pictures or heard many stories of VCon, so it wouldn't
be fair for me to make a comparison, but I do know they were happening at the same time.
I will say, though, from last year's perspective, no, I can kind of answer my own question.
Obviously, you know, BTC Miami, in my opinion, last year was a lot larger. I think, obviously,
market sentiment has most to do with, as to why it was so much larger. Obviously,
Aaron Rodgers, Reno Williams, OBJ was there last year. BTC Miami was on my timeline last
year. I couldn't scroll past it. This year, I didn't see too much of it, aside from what
our team posted. I saw more VCon posts this year, and I believe that Gary did kind of
change the timeline on us, in terms of when a VCon was last year and this year, which
is obviously strange to me, but I guess from a marketing perspective, I can understand
why you did that. Yeah, BTC Miami was half the size, I think. It wasn't even as big as
it was last year. Again, I prefer a smaller-sized conference. I don't feel as overwhelmed, and
I feel like I can take more time at each booth individually and talk to folks. There was a
big mining presence at BTC Miami. Half the conference was about mining, so I was able to
learn a lot there, and also connect with some of the people on the ordinal side.
I feel like the community is pretty torn on ordinals. I think the majority of people are
having fun with it, but the Bitcoin purists are not happy about the network transactions
skyrocketing. Anyway, I want to maybe intro some of the panelists that are on here. If you
guys want to give a quick background into who you are, what got you in the industry, and
yeah, tell us what success looks like for you in Web3.
So, Gian, Noah, Andrew, thank you guys for having me here. My background, how I got into the space,
by the way, my real name is Maxwell Lyman. Believe it or not, it's not Crypto Jesus. I got into
the space back in 2013 originally because some random dude DM me or actually just sent me a normal
message on Steam while I was playing CSGO, and I had some skin he wanted, and he was like,
yo, bro, will you sell me your skin for some Bitcoin? And I had no fucking clue what Bitcoin
was. I was 13 years old, so I hopped on my computer. I Googled that shit, and I learned some more, and I was
like, you know what? Fuck it. I'll make the trade. Worst case scenario, he scans me out of some skin I
probably got for free anyway. I made the trade, and obviously things worked out. I sold my Bitcoin
not too long after that at like $600 a coin. I was thrilled. Obviously, if I had held it, I'd be a
little happier. But, you know, since then, in 2016, I started a cryptocurrency mining company with my
brother. We did that until 2018 when everyone wanted to liquidate everything, and then I moved
over into the main crypto space where I got away from just purely blockchain technology, and I learned a
lot more about trustlessness and permissionlessness and the ethos of Web3 and why we're all
doing this in the first place, the core value proposition of this technology, rather than
just looking to make money.
And Matt, did you want to go next?
Yeah, I'll go next. Thanks for having me, Noah. It's great to be here. So, I mean, my intro into
this space was actually fairly similar to crypto Jesus. And the allure of Bitcoin and, you know,
the idea of all that of trustlessness and decentralization, that came sort of after the
fact. And I think a lot of us can agree that we what we saw was number go up. We saw people
making money. We were like, what is this thing? But, you know, I stayed for the for the technology
more than anything. It was I'll I guess I'll back up and say 2017 ish. I bought my first Bitcoin and
sat on it for a while, watched it come up, come down and just was always enamored with the space.
I'm a really I'm a really curious guy. I'm technical by nature. I love learning. And so it was really easy
to like dive down the rabbit hole of crypto. And I did so and followed the space for a number of years
while I was at a previous engineering job. That engineering firm was extremely like old school.
They were like associated with the government. So they like moved really slow and their tech stack was shit.
And like I wanted, you know, I wanted to experience that higher energy, higher volatility excitement
that, you know, comes with tech startups. And it wasn't until about 2020 when I started to pay a little
bit more attention to applications of crypto and blockchain and not just, you know, investing in
tokens. Because, I mean, there are so many altcoins out there and they all they all claim to do
something. But if you're, you know, if you're working a full time job and you've got, you know,
a wife or kids or whatever, like you might not have the time to really look at the deep, you know,
the deep meaning and the the story or the narrative behind a token. But I finally got around to
looking into Solana around 2020, as well as obviously ETH for DeFi, played around with that.
And then in 2021, like I was like fully hooked and was trying at this point. I hated my job so much.
I was looking for any excuse to get out and and find my own way. And so like that wraps into the
whole topic of today, which is what does like Web3 success look like for you or what's the success of
Web3 look like for you? And for me, it's, you know, financially, like that's that's the that's
the carrot. But like, it's it's so much more than that to me, because I don't necessarily desire to
build a billion dollar business. I don't desire to make a billion dollars. For me, it's the freedom
to explore and be curious and build things that I find interesting. And at the same time, use that
freedom, you know, to to work towards a financial future. But the but step one to me is as a freelance
developer, doing things on my own terms, at my own pace, and being able to like, to like, just
continue to learn, have the space and the and the freedom to learn. And yeah, my for those who don't
know me, my backstory comes from D gods, and I can get into all that. But I wanted a quick intro there as
well. Yeah, beautiful. And anyone else that wants to chime in, I want to go through all the panelists
and just kind of get your quick intro and also get your idea of what success in Web3 looks like.
I know we've already heard from, I believe, Crypto Jesus, we and Matt as well. Matt dot soul as well.
Michael, David, welcome. We got Mikel, welcome. Dobbins as well. And we got Jose on the panel. So
anyone that wants to uncue and give a quick intro into yourself, how you got in the industry, and then
also, what success looks like to you? Do you feel like you've made it? If not, what do you think needs
to happen in order for you to reach that benchmark? Hey, guys, my name is Aaron. I go back on here by
Dobbins, of course. But yeah, thank you for having me up here. I'm excited for this space. I am not
a technical person at all. Really, I come from a background of my family owns an outdoor company.
And so I work with them in the retail business. And I really enjoy the outdoors. I got into the
space in about early 2021. I had I had a friend come over and, you know, he told me about Ethereum.
And I just had no Ethereum and Bitcoin, no clue what he was talking about, really. And I got in
really for them, like to make money originally. And at that time, I was going through some health
issues. And so I was really trying to dive in something and invest my time in. And, you know,
I just spent like the next 10 months, just every single day, nonstop podcast, YouTube videos,
just like trying to learn and absorb as much knowledge as I can. And I really enjoyed it. I,
like I said, I came for the money, but I definitely stayed for the tech. And I think the longer you're
here, the more opportunities you end up having to make money. And that just comes with knowledge and
growth. But as for what does success look like for me, you know, I started off really small. And then
I've, I've done well for myself in the past two years in crypto. And I think you might feel like you
made it for about a week or two. And then you're like, okay, what's next? Because the space is always
changing. And there's always new technology and new areas to grow in that your curiosity gets the
best of you. And so you're like, okay, I have to go and try this now because I'm curious, you know,
and, and that's one of the best things about this space is your, your curiosity is never tamed and
individual ownership is encouraged. So yeah, I just love that. Thanks.
Dobbins. That was a great point. No, if I can hog the mic here for a quick second, David,
I want to go to you. Do you feel like you've made it, David, because you got into Ben Dottie's
pre-sale? Really, really bluntly. I'll ask you that question.
David's giving us crickets.
He pleads the fifth.
Oh, I'm sorry. Were you talking to me?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What was the question? My bad.
And we're stuck in Salada.
I think you're rugging for me.
I think we might be both rugged. David, I want to ask you, obviously you were, you are now a big
proponent of Ben Dottie's, you know, kind of some controversy there, which I, which I respect.
Obviously I had my questions as well. Do you believe that you made it in this space because
you got into his pre-sale?
No, that's a funny question though.
I was having fun, man. People, people are taking this shit way too serious. You know,
I even said during the space, it's just a clickbait title. Thanks for coming. You know,
it was fun. I might as well just take this time to do my little intro, David to Harris. I've been in
the reputation management space for a couple of decades. I helped build two of the largest
reputation management companies in the world, exited and decided to do Web3 just here full
time within the last six months. Co-founder of Alpha Beast, probably one of the best damn
alpha groups around where, you know, we provide solid data for the traders.
Um, and then what does success look like? Success is subjective to people. You know,
you ask some one person what success is and they'll say a healthy life and, you know, a great family
to share with. Some people monetize it and say success is based on how much money you make or how
many things you can acquire throughout life. For me, you know, it's a little bit of all of that,
you know, but it's also, I think that the more successful you are at making others successful,
the more successful you become. And so me personally, I've always focused on that
with relationship building and any businesses that I've ever built, I've always made sure that,
you know, uh, the, the people are the important, most important thing. And, um, you provide a good
culture and something for someone to believe in because nobody just wants to clock in and
clock out every day. They want to do something they believe it. So yeah, I think that that's
what success is, is, uh, making the people around you successful and enjoying life as you go.
Great points, David. Guys, be sure to follow David as well as the rest of the speakers.
David does host weekly daily spaces. Some of them are the best spaces that I've been to personally in
the Twitter space first. Uh, very, very clickbaity, but also very educational. I'm sure
David will follow. Noah, one last question for me to David. I'll throw you back the mic. I don't
want to hog it too much in the beginning. Um, David, would you say that the version of success
and subjectively to you has changed over the course of every decade in your life? So from your twenties
to thirties and thirties and onward, do you think it's changed? And why do you think it's changed?
Hey, thanks for saying thirties and onward and not just throwing out my age. I'm a boomer.
You know what I realized though, is a lot of you are boomers too. Um, I thought it was just,
I thought crypto Twitter when I came over from clubhouse was just a bunch of, you know,
15 year old kids, but no, there's some real families and, uh, some real people behind these
PFPs. Um, I'm sorry. What was the question again? Do you think that obviously, you know,
success has definitely changed in the course of your career. Do you think it's changed because
you've hit success or you've just kind of gotten, I guess, more knowledgeable,
who has more wisdom that now means different things to you? Well, you know, um, not where
I want to be, but I'm not where I used to be and I'm not going to stay where I'm at. That's what I
tell myself every day. I may not be where I want to be, but I'm not where I used to be. You know,
you hear that a lot, but I have, I've added over the years and I'm not staying where I'm at. And I
think that's the key. Um, yeah, because it does change, right? When you're young, you're ambitious,
you don't have kids and family. You just want to take over the world and get rich and you learn,
and some do and some don't, and you learn your lessons. So, and, and then as life progresses,
yes, I do think those motivations change for me now. It's just, it's just web three to me is,
is my own picture of what I have web three, you know, an NFT. So I picture my kids,
kids, you know, trading, trading NFTs, everything that we've talked about over the last few years,
you know? So, so for me, web three is, is my kid's future. And so, yeah, before it was it before,
when we were, you know, back in the early coin days and the early NFT buzz, we were making a lot of
money, you know? So yeah, it's a little bit of money and then a little bit of more security for my
family. So it definitely changes. It definitely changes as you grow. And, um, and when you have a lot,
you'll be tested, right? So important lesson to learn too, because when you come in hungry and
broke, you know, you're just like, man, I'm hungry. I want to, let's do this. Let's build.
And your character will get tested when opportunity comes. And so I've always tried to, uh, stick to the
right side of the fence, do the things the right way, especially because of the business, the business
that I've been in and reputation management. So, uh, forewarn those of you that are working on
success, whatever that may be to you, right? When you get the higher, you go, the harder,
the wind blows. So be careful and don't compromise your personal convictions for monetary value.
Hey man, well said. Uh, can I jump in here or no?
Okay. I'm just giving me the thumbs up. Hey, I just wanted to, uh, kind of speak to some,
something that he said there that resonated with me is that suggest success is subjective.
And, you know, he was talking about how, you know, maybe in his experience or others when
they're early in their early twenties or they're in their twenties in general, they're hungry.
They want to, you know, achieve financial success, go get the money, money. I didn't care about money
at all in my twenties. It was zero motivation to me at all. I was just something to pay the bills so
I could live the life I want to live. And the second I had kids, um, yeah, that all changed. Now,
all I care about is money, um, to, to support them. And, you know, I wish in some ways,
I wish I had done more for that in my twenties, but in the same sense of things, uh, I got to get
that out of my system and really just enjoy life early. And then now I can focus on putting my
nose to the grindstone. But, uh, I do also want to chime in for what web success in web three looks
like for me, because, um, you know, what does success look like for web three for people in
general? I think in the general scope of things, I take it as, did you build a utility that got adopted?
If not, you may have made personal money, but did you bring success to web three?
And that's, that's tough to do, man. That's the toughest thing to do in this whole world is
actually build something that people are actually going to use. And it's actually going to help
get web three more adopted. It's going to be utility that people enjoy. It helps them in their
lives. Um, so aside from personal finances or, you know, the finances of the holders of your token
or this, that, or the other, did you build something like OpenSea? Did you build something
like ether scan? You know, and to me, that is when someone, uh, someone has been successful
on web three.
Crypto Jesus go for it, man. Thank you.
Yo, I, I think it's pretty obvious. Everyone wants to be successful, right? Everyone wants
to be great. Everyone wants to achieve greatness. But the question is, how do we measure greatness?
And I think more generally in society, we take this to a basic principle. It's your network
is your net worth, right? It's about how many people you impact and going back to, um, I
forget who she's talking. Maybe it was Nicholas, but it's all about what you create, right?
It's about how you help people and you don't even have to create anything, right? You could
just be a normal human being. You could open the door for someone, right? And that impacts
someone's life, right? They care about those things. Your network is your network. It's about
how many people you can actively impact. And this is why I developed the software I developed
is because I want to create things that bring value to people. I want to bring things to
people that improve their quality of life, their standard of living, because this is
how you measure impact. These are the things people genuinely care about. They care about
if they can feed their families. They care about that they can walk down the street and
be safe. They care about knowing their funds are safe, right? These are the things fundamentally
that people care about. Now, if we can create services that save people time, save them money
and provide them security, that's all it's about. That's how you can create your,
create your network from the widest scope or perspective is by developing products. That's
how you can impact the largest number of people. And in my opinion, that's the best way to achieve
success. Although success is more of a linear scale and not a black and white thing.
Mick, go for it.
Hey, apologies for being late, everybody. Nice to see you, Andrew. Thanks for the invite.
Are we just, is it like an initial intro? What does success look like for us kind of thing?
Yeah, yeah. Just give us a quick background into who you are and then, you know, success is
different for everyone, but we'd love to know what your thoughts are from your experience. What is
success to you? And yeah, all that good stuff.
Absolutely. Well, I'm kind of a boomer. I've been through several careers in my life. I recently sold
a startup that I had locally in Augusta just this past year to go full-time into Web3.
I was a GameStop Wall Street Bets degen from very early. And that's kind of how I wound up in the
NFT space. And I have a background in marketing. I have a master's in fine arts, creative writing.
So when I started kind of degening in the space, I just felt like, hey, you know, some of these skills
are probably translatable. So I, you know, being new, of course, DMed every single board ape that I
could find, assuming they were all millionaires and starting businesses and would want to hire me.
So none of them responded except for one who was Crypto Poppy, founder of Pirates of the Metaverse
and Drip Studios. And he's really incredible. He gave me my first shot in the space.
One piece of advice for people who are looking to find success in Web3, offer value up front,
like work for free at first. So I did like a little interview with him. He was like, what would you
want for helping us? And I said, nothing, just the experience. And that's turned into a career for me,
right? I've been with them for a year and a half. I also work for a couple other companies.
Probably the biggest one is Sedona, Sedona Game Launcher. We're a Web3 game launcher,
building custodial wallets, really kind of focusing on, you know, just that ease of ease of entry into
Web3 gaming and making it as simple as possible. And then I'm super bullish on gaming. All of the
projects I work for are somehow related to gaming. So yeah. And I would say, what does success look
like? I mean, obviously everybody said it, it looks different for everyone, right? Like some people
just want to be a successful trader and make a bunch of money. I really like what Crypto Jesus was
saying about building something meaningful that helps people save money or make things more simple.
adding value to the space is really important. And, you know, from very early on, I made a decision,
right? Like there's lots of influencers in the space. There's lots of shady stuff that goes on and
all that. Like my integrity is never worth financial gain. And I think that people who follow that are
going to find a lot more long-term success in Web3 than people who kind of, I don't know, sell out,
right? For the quick buck. It's sad to see. And I think it hurts the space as a whole. And I think
integrity matters. And I think there's a lot of amazing people in this space who follow that
philosophy. So yeah. That's about all I got. Right on. Thank you. I'm going to go to Jose and then go to Ahmed.
Hi, GM, everyone. My name's Jose. It's a pleasure to be here with all of you. I'm not too, what do you
call it? I am not too, I'm fairly new to spaces. So I'm trying to work on that a bit more and work
on my public speaking and whatnot. So apologies if it's a little bit choppy and whatnot. But it's
really a pleasure to be amongst here with all of you. I literally joked to myself last night and I
was like, I feel like I'm jokingly like the weak link in this panel. But like, no, nothing against
myself or any of you whatsoever. It's really an honor. But I started off before learning about
crypto. I previously used to be a sneaker botter. And I used to be in a lot of like, what you would
call a cook group and whatnot. And they taught me about NFTs a while back. I used to know about them
probably around like, when people started getting hotter. And I didn't end up making a wallet until
around August around probably when the bull run was really kicking off in full gear. And I initially
got in it for the trading and whatnot. And I did make a bit of money. I also learned a lot. I initially
started off my very first couple of trades. I literally probably lost like an ETH when I first
started off. And I was kind of like, a little bit hesitant to get back into it. But I've honestly
just stayed for the community. And I've been able to go to a lot of IRL events, network with people,
connect with other people, and whatnot. And it's, it's been really cool. I still honestly don't know
what I want to do in this space yet. But I'm showing up every day and I'm figuring it out. I'm
figuring out what works for me, where I fit in and whatnot. And to me, being successful in Web3,
I do agree with everyone else. It's a bit subjective. But I think being able to find your
niche in Web3 and doing something that you enjoy and feel passionate about is a form of success in
Web3. Being able to have your name known in the space for a good reason, and can be seen as
successful to other people and being able to consistently provide value to the space,
I think is another form of being successful.
Yeah, thanks for hopping on, man. And honestly, I couldn't tell that you've never spoken on spaces
before. And you seem like a natural. So I'm happy.
Yeah, you crushed it for us.
Yeah, yeah, I'm happy that we're one of the first spaces that you are making your debut on.
Let's go. I want to hop over to Ahmed. And, and then we can, yeah, I think it's Ahmed. And then we got
Brandon, and then we're going to go back to Crypto Jesus.
So lovely people. Thanks for letting me up. David, my friend, I followed you in here.
It's such a great conversation. I think by definition, success is subjective. And I think
it does come down to, you know, whether you want to define it as an individual or as a business in
the industry. I think as a whole, speaking on Web3 in particular, looking at success here is truly
speaking to what you're doing for the space itself and its consumers, whether it's, you know, pivoting it
in the right space, bringing practicality to it, assisting with mass adoption, and really more than
anything. It's value prop. What value are you bringing to this space? What are you really trying
to do? And two, like, some failures are also can be defined as success, just because a platform and
or something was launched in the space that didn't necessarily see the day of light and or the success
it deserved. It doesn't mean that it wasn't successful in some shape or form. It didn't just
allow you to learn from your mistakes, but allowed somebody else to learn from it and push forth on that
and be able to capitalize on it. And I think by definition, as an industry whole, you know,
anything you're trying to do to quite literally help evolve the space, and that can be amongst
in anything. It doesn't mean just launching an NFT project. It doesn't mean just launching an NFT
platform or an exchange or a token. Literally, just even hosting a space, by definition, can be
successful because you can be educating consumers. You can be educating people that, you know, are shy
to jump into the space because they don't know too much about it or are nervous to jump into the
space. So quite literally, anything that you're actually trying to sell value for,
is successful. This space, like we're just right now, like everybody here coming up and speaking
and defining what success means to them or to the industry, is success in its own. Why? Because I
can guarantee you there's people in the audience sitting down there that maybe don't know what a
token is, don't know how to set up a MetaMask account, don't know what an NFT is. So I think at the end
of the day, anything that's quite literally just bettering the space or at least trying to better the
space is success by definition. And really what it comes down to is what are you good at, right? Like
what value can you bring to the table? And just as Ahmed was saying, you know, we all have our own
individual value propositions. If you're a great communicator, start some spaces, you know, start
doing it on the daily, right? Or just pop into other spaces, start building up your following. If
you're really well versed from a technical aspect, you know, create some threads every time there's a
ledger incident to provide some clarity instead of mass hysteria, right? We can provide value in
all different forms and directions. And when I first got to this space, when I first made my Twitter
account, I personally felt like I didn't have enough of a value proposition to come up and start coming
to spaces and all this other shit. So what I did is I went out and educated myself. You know, I went out
and I looked up all this information. I hopped into a bunch of different discords. I gathered all the
material I needed to felt like I was qualified enough to come up and start educating people in general
topics, you know, whether it's, you know, reading the Uniswap white paper or the balancer one or
bank or whatever it is. It's different for every industry. It's all about how can you bring value
to the table? That's all anyone cares about. It's just like Mickley was saying a second ago, you know,
she slid into that guy's DMs immediately saying, hey, you know, I've done this, I have accomplished
these things and I'm going to take your business to the next level, right? I'm giving a quick sum.
I have no clue what she said, but I'm sure it was something along those lines because of how
passionate she is. You need to be passionate. People like to see passion. People
like to see hope. If you have hope, you can always get things accomplished. The second you're
void of it, you're going to see things go in the wrong direction. Maintain hope, be very passionate
and always put yourself out there. It's all about increasing your surface area for luck. The more
avenues you travel down, the more you increase your surface area for luck and the more likely it is
you'll become successful. CJ, I have a question for you. That was great though, Ahmed. You as well,
you guys can both answer this question. It's a little bit of a off-putting question. Obviously,
there's a bunch of LARPers in the space and David knows what I mean when I say that because
he preaches that a lot. That's kind of where I got that term from and listening to his space and all
that great stuff. But effectively, a lot of people in the space actually don't use their own thought
and it's something that I personally sometimes have a problem with, especially when you're copying
someone to a very large degree. I feel like it can be a little bit wishy-washy to where you are
kind of not producing your own stuff, doing your own content, et cetera, et cetera. And I want to know from you
guys, is that a form of success, copying someone's own stuff, trying to innovate that stuff? Or you
should, should you be kind of producing and distributing your own thoughts and your own
content? I think there's a fine line there, right? Where you have the people that are straight up
copying people because they're trying to get the first, right? And you see this all the time. It's
very popular with news and media outlets especially, right? You'll see, you know, we got over here,
whale sends out a tweet, right? WhaleCoinTalk. And then immediately it's quote tweeted or
watcher guru five minutes later has the exact same tweet set, right? It's the way the web works. And
sadly, that's not something that's going to go away anytime soon. But it's all about deriving value to
your individual audience. Things like that are always going to happen. And there's really nothing
we can do about it, generally speaking. So the question is, knowing these things will always
happen. And yeah, you might even be a person who likes to capitalize on certain events, but there's
nothing wrong with capitalizing on these events as long as you bring value, right? It's great to have a
new perspective. It's great to have a unique take because people are looking for unique
takes. They don't want to see the same material over and over and over again. You will find that
nine times out of 10, if you give your unique commentary or thought or perspective, or if you
do your own due diligence, if you are the source, you will have a lot more fruit from whatever you're
creating out of it. Amen. And I can give a shout out to Tau. Tau just put in my DMs the way
Mikhail did earlier to her current operator. Tau said authenticity. I would definitely agree with
that. Ahmed, do you have a response for my question? I believe you did unmute your mic or not.
Tau took the words out of my mouth, unfortunately. But yeah, I think building
a brand in the space as an individual or a project or a platform is super key. And like
all great brands, authenticity is key. I mean, relevant or regardless or not of, you know,
you're seeing something on Twitter and you're going to kind of spin around and put it out.
I think just like crypto Jesus just said, sorry, I was just trying to see her name. At the end
of the day, by definition, if you are still carrying on that value and not spinning it around
in a negative way, you're still providing value for the space. Why? Because, you know,
followers you may have might not be following the platform or the user that you kind of brought
forth that content with. But at the end of the day, regardless of the fact, you know,
being authentic in the space and providing something of substance and value will always
just dominate. And, you know, just like all great things, it's usually, you know, first to market
and first to bring value prop behind it is usually the one that kind of becomes the leader in that.
So I guess my input to that is, is try your best to like, there's nothing wrong with, you know,
researching and looking to other users and looking at our content and spinning it around
and making yours is absolutely nothing wrong with that so long that it's obviously entailed with
that. However, you know, also try to find your own voice, whatever that may be, and try to find
your own value prop, whatever that may is. Like I said, not everybody needs to launch an NFT
project. Not everybody needs to be a Web3 advisor or a Web3 marketing. And I laughed because they're
in everybody's bios that I see, like, you know, find out what you're good at, because that's what
people are going to come to you for at the end of the day. And that's what you're going to be
quote unquote selling and bring a value prop through. And if you can kind of harness that and
be able to compound that, then there's absolutely no reason for you to not be able to build your own
platform, build your own brand and carry that out.
Great take. And then I want to say one more thing as well. We can go to Brandon here. Brandon,
I do apologize. Hogging the mic once again. Obviously everyone kind of networks in daily,
monthly, weekly basis. For those that are talking to certain individuals and they tell you that
they're not here for the money, probably stop talking to them immediately because that is
definitely far from the truth. Obviously everyone has multiple reasons as to why they're here.
If they say they're here not for the money, probably not an honest person. Definitely don't
do business with that person in any capacity. Personal take there. Brandon, what's going on?
Hey man, thanks so much for having me up here. Yeah, really love the discourse so far.
And just want to add in brief take. Yeah, I think success in Web3 really depends on what you define
it as. And I think it'll change over time. It certainly has for me. Initially, I wanted to get
a bag and over the years got enough of that. Then it became wanting to actually work in the space and
actually build. Ended up doing that too. Spent some time with two startups that had really great ideas
and really great funding, but still just couldn't make it in the market. And now I'm really trying
to help people build Web3 products that actually make a lot of sense. But I think whatever it is
that you define as success, stay in your own lane. I think if you want to make money, you want to build
an audience, you want to be that marketer, you want to launch an entity project, it's all super good.
But if you don't define that up front, you're probably going to get pretty stressed out because
you can see people doing such cool stuff on here. It's hard to stay in your lane and not get jealous
and envious. If I may just say one quick thing, I'll be like literally three seconds too, is all great
things take time. And don't be shy from market sentiment. Don't be shy from the next bull run.
Don't be shy from the next bear market. At the end of the day, and it's an old saying for a reason,
but build something great and the rest will follow. You know, just because we're in a bear
market per se or market sentiment doesn't mean you shouldn't be launching something or putting
out content or trying to build something. And just because we're in a bull market, you shouldn't
be pushing something for the sake of pushing something up because you know it's going to
grab attention regardless or vice versa. At the end of the day, sentiment is going to fluctuate.
That's just the nature. That's the way things go, whether it's equities or crypto.
And if all of it, all markets fluctuate, don't let sentiment define what you're building or how
you're building it. Obviously, there's going to be niche graphs that you can kind of capitalize
on in certain market jurisdictions and timelines, but it shouldn't deter you or push you away
from building or for the fact that that pushed you into building something for the sake of
doing it. Build something because you see value in it. Build something because you see longevity
in it. Build something because, to be quite frank, because you want to and you believe in what
you're trying to build. And don't let, you know, exterior elements affect that.
Great take, Ahmed. Great take. Matt, what is going on?
I forgot I had my hand up. But, you know, I've been listening to a lot of this stuff for a while
now. And, you know, we keep touching on the idea of making money in different aspects.
Um, and for me, for everybody in this space, like you said, I loved, I loved what you said,
Andrew, about how, like, if somebody says that they're not in it for the money, like,
don't do business with them. I completely agree because we're all here for that, uh, in one
regard or another. Um, but what does the money that we're looking to make or we looked to make
maybe in the beginning and things, motives change, what is, what does that create for you?
I don't think it's getting to buy cool shit. I think it's the freedom, right? That, that
financial success brings. And that freedom is, it comes in various forms. One for me,
one driving factor for me, like I said in the beginning was, hey, I hate working for companies
that don't represent my beliefs. Um, I hate having to, you know, I hate having to interview
for big fang companies that will pay really well, but you know, they kind of run the world
and, and they don't, you know, they're not always full of good actors and how can I make
my mark, do it on my terms and live comfortably. And for me, and I think for a lot of other
people in the space, like that defines success for them. And because like, I, I, I think that
setting really high goals for yourself is absolutely essential to being a, you know, a human being
that, that escapes the average. Um, but being grateful and being grateful for what you have
right now, uh, or the opportunities that are right in front of you is just as beautiful and,
uh, freeing as, you know, making a bag because you've already made it. If you love what you do
and you're able to support yourself and your family and maybe that, you know, being a little
bit older myself, my viewpoint has changed on these things, but you know, I just resonated with
what a lot of these guys said in that it doesn't, uh, especially when you're starting out, when you're
a young person or you're new to web three, uh, creating value might come in different forms,
whether it's working for, for free, uh, on a first gig or contributing to something open source
that you really believe in, uh, that shows value that adds to your portfolio in my, you know,
in my world, that would be a GitHub repository that, you know, adds more content to your GitHub
profile. Um, each of these things that we do pushes the whole space forward. And I think
that kind of to wrap it all up and put a bow on it, we're here for the freedom that the
money brings us and for the connection that we're missing in the web two world with human
beings. Cause I've never felt more connected to people, uh, than I do here in web three, uh,
more comfortable, uh, and everybody feels so much more accessible. So combination of those things,
you know, Matt, great take. And I do appreciate you giving out the GitHub references, all the
developers in this space. We'll definitely understand that something to what Matt said,
then I'll throw the mic back here to know when we can kind of get back into cadence. Um, I think
it's important. I don't think it's something that's talked about enough. People should figure out as to
why someone else is here, what makes them tick and kind of ultimately figure out their, why
so they can align themselves accordingly with who they want to work with and who they don't
want to work with. So effectively, if I want to work here and obviously make money and get brand
equity, et cetera, et cetera, I should be working with someone who's going to sell out or has sold
out before things of that nature. Find out why people are here, what they're doing here, what
their why is and align yourself accordingly and work with those that obviously have the same goals
as you and try to align them as best as possible. Obviously things may change and obviously it's
the way life goes, but do your best kind of, I guess, kind of mixing yourself with people that have
the same vision as you may have within the space or even in life in general.
I would say CG, you can go for it. Oh, uh, Mickley, I believe has been raising their hand for a
while. They're free to go ahead of it. Sorry, Mick, go for it. Oh, it's okay. It's Michaelis, just like
Michelle, but with Kay. Um, I, I get that a lot. No, I just want to say like, shout out Jose, um, for, for
being new to spaces. Um, I, when I first started, like I am a petrified public speaker, right? Literally
handshaking. I turned red, like it's horrible. And so when I first started getting on Twitter
spaces, I would request up and then not even speak, you know, it's just, it's a process. Right. And now
I get on spaces and I can't shut up. So like, take that shot, like push yourself, stay hungry,
you know, um, and keep coming to these spaces. Um, and then just a little, I guess not pushback,
Andrew, but like, if I guess, you know, obviously all of us are here to in some form or another make
money. Um, I can't remember the book I was reading it in, but they say that you found, you found your
passion. You found, you know, the, the job you were meant for. If you had all the money you could ever
possibly need and you would still be doing what you're doing. Um, and I can honestly say that if I
had all the money I ever needed, I would still be here in web three. I would still be working for
the brands that I work for because I a hundred percent believe in what they're doing, what
they're building in the value that they add to the space and to the, to the holders lives or to
the people who are utilizing the platform. So, um, yes, obviously most of us are here probably for
the money, but I think most of us, if we all made huge bags and could retire, I don't think we'd
leave. I think we'd still be here. That's a great point. I do appreciate the pushback as well. I
want to kind of answer your question or kind of rebuttal you. So obviously, um, money is just one
of the things why people are here. Obviously it's very multi-purpose, which is ideally what I am as
well. But the thing is though, is that you can enjoy something, do it as often as you want, but
not bring any money and you can't keep the lights on at home. And that becomes a problem for everybody.
So I would make sure that you are taking care of yourself as well. So something is coming in,
whether it be from your web two job, whether it be from investing, you can live off an investment,
whether it be equity, whatever it may be, find something that brings in the money. So you can
enjoy doing what you do on a weekly, daily, monthly basis. Otherwise there's no point in doing it in
my opinion, because you can't afford to do it. And that, and that definitely sucks. And there's
people that are like that. So I would encourage you guys find different ways to optimize different
things. And obviously AI is one of those things where you can find different things to optimize very
easily within your workflow and even within things being creative. And I, and I think there's a ton
of ways of making money. It's not just, you know, very linear. It's actually multidimensional. And I
would encourage everyone to do that. But ultimately I think that people need to have enough money to
keep the lights on at home and bring food on the table. And then you can kind of expand and scale
up what your passion is. Wait a minute. You're saying that I was supposed to be making money this
whole time? If you weren't, CM, I mean, we can definitely get around to that at some point.
Wait, you guys are making money? Well, monopoly money, but I mean, not officially.
They're called fun tokens. Yeah. Monopoly money, magic internet money. No, Andrew, I think that's
a really, a really good, good point. And like for people who are like still in web two and looking
to branch out into web three, like take that first free job, right? Like be a, be a mod for free and
then put that in your bio, put the specific value that you want to offer to the space in your bio 90.
I mean, I get more work than I could ever possibly take on just because of what my bio says and the
brand that I've built around myself, right? That's how you are discovered. Your resume in web three is
your Twitter account. So make sure that it's optimized accordingly. Start small, start with that first
job, right? Like I, I had plenty of other income coming in before I came full time into web three. I
started with one job and then branched out to two and then three, and then just kind of built upon that
until I was stable enough to be able to, to leave the web two business behind. So yeah.
Great. Great point, Mick. I feel like, I feel like as well that the, one of the benefits to being in
this space right now, because it's so premature and all the Harvard grads and all the, you know,
the top, I guess, graduates in school or the top, I guess, business office operators, whatever you
want to call them, haven't fully, fully come here yet. So people are hiring right now for soft skills.
I think soft skills are super, super, super, super important as well as hard skills because soft skills are
very transferable and kind of scale up your hard skills a little bit more. So I would say, don't
put them on your resume, obviously not because it looks a little bit silly, but make them very
applicable in what you're doing on a daily, monthly, weekly basis. And obviously showcase those skills
the way that Mick did earlier on in order for her to get that job that she got. And now that her hard
skills will keep her there. So soft skills, soft skills right now, I see kind of get you through the
door to an extent and then hard skills obviously keep you there. Obviously there has to be an overlap of both
those things, but that's something I encourage people to kind of have. And obviously soft skills
are very something you can much work on, like hard skills. And you don't have to, you know,
obviously you won't be the perfect person, but there's a couple of things that you can work on
to obviously get it, get it kind of your foot in the door, then obviously scale up further from there.
Andrew, let me quickly double tap on what Mikel said, just as like a strengthening example.
I'll make it quick because I know people have their hands up. When I was first, when I was first
trying to get my foot into the space, I did a similar thing. And I linked up with the founders
of Mickey D Gods. For those who don't know, they're a sub DAO or a sub community of the D Gods NFT
brand. I'm actually wearing a D God or a Mickey D God as my PFP right now. I met up with them. I just
got chatting with them about what they were trying to do. They hadn't done anything at that point,
but I offered to help them build some stuff. They wanted to mint their own like little micro
collection and do some staking and just kind of mess around with the branding of D Gods.
I did it for them. Didn't expect any payment. Mickey D Gods is now the, you know, the most popular,
most notable sub community in the D Gods NFT collection. And doing that work got the attention
of the founders of D Gods. I ended up doing freelance work for them for six months. And then I got hired on
Dust Labs and I worked for Dust Labs for another six months. And now, you know, I have a little bit
more brand equity. People have some kind of an idea of who I am just because, just by that
association and being able to put their name in my bio. So that is a, that is a stone cold example
of where that kind of thing will work out in your benefit in the long run.
Well said, Matt. Oh, no, let's get some of these hands here. CJ, and then I believe, I'm not sure who
was after, but we can kind of get back in case. Thank you, Andrew. I love what you said about the Y.
I will say one comment about the MIT Harvard thing. I'm actually based out of Boston. So I've
got to deal with all the, the Ivy leaguers all the fucking time at every conference I go to.
And these kids know less than all of these people do. Fuck, probably everyone listening in this
audience does about Web3. Everything they know comes from their, their education curriculum.
And they love to assume that, you know, because they're, they're Ivy leaguers, they, they have a
little more confidence. They think they know everything. And then, you know, you have the real
conversation with any of these people. And you're like, Oh, uh-huh. Oh, all right. They're just
normal fucking people right at the end of the day, they'll continue to scale as an audience as we do
as a whole per capita. Yeah, there's more of them. But at the same time, they're not much of a threat.
They're just people at the end of the day, and they're cocky. But what I would say about aligning
with the lie, why of your employers, I really liked the way you presented that. Because why is the key
to anything, right? People don't buy things for what they are, they buy them for why you do it. It's just
like Martin Luther King's, I have a dream speech. He didn't say like every other politician,
I have a plan, the what, right? I have a plan. And here are my 10 steps. No, he said, I have a dream,
right? The why, just like Nike, right? They don't say in their ads, Hey, here's my Nike shoe. It makes
you run faster. It's more comfortable. It has better performance than Adidas. No, instead, they,
they focus on honoring the great athletes, right? The why, the thing we aspire to be the thing we aspire to be
a part of. So that is always critical. And that's actually a component that I would say even leads to
company failure, right? If the company you're talking to doesn't have a good why, a why you don't, you,
you don't align yourself with, then I would even say it's, it might even be likely that that company's
ever even going to make it. Because once again, people don't buy things for what they are, they buy them
for why you do it. And CJ, to your, to your comment there, I appreciate the kind words. And I also
think making your statement as to wiring what you're doing and kind of have that front and center
and be super, super aggressive with it is something that I think brands should do if they haven't
already done. And obviously David's built multiple brands, one being on social right now, he knows
better than anyone else. I feel like obviously from an operator standpoint, that brands are all built
on social. If you're not actively engaging in brand and scaling on social, you're absolutely
wasting your fucking time on this space. Yeah. I mean, it's niche. I was in a niche market. So
I could argue that, believe it or not, because we, we started, we started with a site called
erasemugshots.com and disrupted the reputation management space because you couldn't remove
content. We figured out how to do it. But at first, yeah, you're right through social because we were
messaging people through LinkedIn and Facebook, Twitter, excuse me. And then, but then built
a huge, you know, marketing campaign off of ads. So, but you definitely need a social presence.
There's just niche ways of doing it, right? There's a lot of different ways. There's not
one way. I think it's a, if you niche down, then I think you'll really figure it out even
more. Great. Take there. Noah, back to you.
Or not back to you. I'll take it over. Does anyone have any other thoughts on what this
looks like in Web3? Just, just general statements or maybe personal experiences that people from
the audience can obviously consume and kind of obviously apply to their own lives. All
that great stuff is, is very important. Matt, what's going on? You got a hot mic.
I got a hot mic. Yeah. Quick question for you. Actually you, Andrew, I want to know for
you what, to you, is there a difference between bringing value in the context of moving the
space forward versus bringing value to individual companies who they themselves may be wanting
to take the space forward because as we're trying to kind of identify the product market
fit, and there's many of them for Web3, I think people get stuck on the idea of having to build
the thing that goes viral and takes us mainstream. Whereas there are, you know, hundreds, thousands,
10,000 of companies that are trying to make their mark in the space, selling a service,
you know, creating a brand. And then there's sort of like the people building the rails that
all of us operate on. But if you're an individual contributor, you might not be looking or able
or whatever to build that billion dollar business that becomes the next Facebook, but Web3, right?
It could be a brand. It could be an individual like me, for instance, like a freelance developer who
creates like, let's say a, I don't know, Adapt. I don't know if you know anything about Adapt,
Andrew, but that's a, that's a great, you know, that's a great company as well. I don't know.
What are your thoughts there?
Matt, so I see how I answered the question. I'll definitely address this.
Um, so full disclosure, my other team, we hired Matt as a developer, obviously posts his dust lab,
D labs, found a lot of value in Matt, obviously with his soft skills as well as the hard skills
which I talked upon earlier. But I think effectively, Matt, everyone is their own brand,
whether it's 500 people following them, 500 consumption rate, whatever it may be, everyone
is their own brand. And everyone has a place in the story, whether they're digging up the gold
back to the gold miners back in the day, or they're providing the shovels. Everyone has their
own story in their own place within that own story. So I think it really depends on what they're doing.
I think there's multiple standards to be set moving forward, whether that be from an operator,
social media influencer, content creator, there's always a new standard going to be implemented
and set. So I feel like anyone, whether a part of a bigger brand or just themselves can kind of set
that new standard. Like I'll even say like last year, this time crypto Jesus knows this, we were
hosting spaces probably a year and a half ago. And like these spaces were relatively big.
And obviously, we kind of fall, I guess, essentially kind of, you know, fallen off since then,
which is cool, because we focus on other things. But I think that the standard from when we were doing
them has now been set by new guys like Alex, Books, Profits, Scott, all those guys, more girls,
you know, the new standard has been set by them. So I feel like you can kind of set the standard,
build that new framework, that new infrastructure, just by doing what you're doing better than
someone else's. You don't have to be a business, you can be an individual, you can be a few people,
whatever it may be. But there's always something new to do and a new standard to set, in my personal
opinion. And obviously, as time goes on, consumers do really do change and the need for certain
things do change. But I feel like as long as you're working upstream towards something kind
of going to the puck, going to where the puck is going to be not where it currently is. And I think
that's one way to get ahead by any word of capacity. Awesome, man. Thank you.
Matt, I hope I answered your question. It did. It did. Yeah. And actually, this is this is a great
opportunity or a great moment. I have a one o'clock I got to jump off to. So I got to say
goodbye to everybody. But I appreciate the time. And I can't wait to do another one of these again.
Matt, I appreciate you showing up here today. Mick, I do believe you have your hand up. We can go to
you next. Yeah, I just wanted to give like, maybe a little hopeful tidbit. Like, I know there's a lot
of people in this space that are looking to work and are trying really hard to find places where
they'll fit. And it seems like there's more layoffs than hiring going on right now, right? Like,
we're definitely in the depth of a bull market or a bear market. And it's going to take some time for
that to recover. But every day at Sedona, we are talking to web to gaming studios, web to indie devs
that are looking to get into the space that have absolutely no knowledge of it. They're going to need
community managers, they're going to need marketing leads, they're like, there's going to be so much
demand for the skills that we have developed over the last couple years here. And these these teams,
they're not announcing they're coming in, right? Like I just learned last week that Vic, like the pen
company is actually building a metaverse, right? Like, people that you would never expect, like everyone
is paying attention to web three, they're looking to make an entrance, they realize the power of the
communities that we're building here. So this is like the time to prepare and build, right? Like put
out content, even if you don't work for someone, put out content about projects that you're, you're a
part of, right? Like TikTok, like go start TikToks, like add value to, to the projects that you're a part
of. And then that's on your resume, right? Like content creator, and you're going to be there when that
moment comes. So I just really want to encourage everybody that there are big brands coming.
Um, it may seem a little bit drab right now. And, and like, there's not a ton of opportunity,
but this is, this is the chance to build. Like some of the biggest, best companies in the world
were built during quote unquote bear markets. Airbnb is one of them. Like the economy was,
was shit when they, when they founded their company. Um, and now they're, you know, a huge,
they're a category maker, right? So, um, the opportunities are coming, set yourself up for them now.
Um, great take there, Mick. It's definitely, it's definitely better to get involved now
than always say tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow. Um, David, what is going on? And then I want
to go to Raph's be there. Who's the cohost?
No, I would just push back a little bit. Um, there's opportunity everywhere. I won't, uh,
shill mine, but I will just say there are founders and, uh, many founders and many opportunities
around us. I think that people just need to pay attention. And I think that they need to move,
you know, just because there's opportunity doesn't mean it's just going to slap itself
in your face, right? So you have to put some type of effort, people that want to manifest,
that's okay to manifest, but put some action behind your manifestation. And that's what people miss
is that, Hey, I don't get it. I'm replying. I'm here, I'm there, but are you going the extra mile?
Are you, you know, really building those relationships that, that somebody is going to say, Hey,
I do have an opportunity cause they're everywhere. I get DMS about them all the time. Um, I see it
all the time. You just have to be aware and then you have to be willing to put the effort behind it.
The question is when everyone's the same, how do you differentiate yourself? We all have our own
unique core value propositions. We just have to be able to prop them up and present them in the best
way. And it's quality over quantity. 1000% of the time, whenever you're building up an audience,
interacting with people, if you're creating a company, if you're creating a product,
you're trying to get a job quality over quantity, 1000% of the time, exactly what David's talking
about. You can't just be another person who's sending a message just because you want to get
a job. I'm going to be real. Every time I post an application on LinkedIn, because we're looking
for a new person, you know, if I'm looking to hire someone new, I don't even check the vast majority
of LinkedIn applications. Why? It's not even humanly possible. I get like 3000 applications and I'm one
fucking person running a small company. Right. And I don't have the time to go through 3000
different applications. Most of them are just clones anyway. It's not like people who really
care. I don't find anything special out of their resumes anyway, but the people who take time out
of their way to not only find the posting, but find another way to contact me. And they're very
savvy ways. One of my favorites, by the way, is you, you take anyone's last name dot first initial
or their first name, and then at the company domain, send them a fucking email. People love that
shit. They love seeing you go out of your way. You really have to go out of your way. You need to make
an impact. You need to make an impression. So the question is, if I'm me, how can I make an
impression? How can I go out of my way? If I'm that person in the other seat, let's say I'm the
guy running the company. If I'm sitting from his perspective and I'm getting thousands of
applications, how can I differentiate myself amongst that mass? One, I can't be just another
figure on LinkedIn. I have to be coming at you from a bunch of different channels. I have to be,
I should be in your discord. I should be sending you emails. I should be everywhere. And I should be
coming up with a plan, acknowledging, hey, I know everything about your company, right? I know what
you're doing. I know the product you're creating. And I see X, Y, and Z pain point. And if you do
this, I think we can have a much better performance, better longevity, a better reach. I see this issue
with your community, this issue with communication, whatever it is, look for issues. Startup founders
or company runners like that. They know their businesses are not perfect. That's why they're hiring in
the first place. They're looking for people who are great at their jobs to execute very well. And if you
come in from the perspective of, hey, I really like what you're doing, I love the direction you're
going in. If you, in my opinion, I think you should do X, Y, and Z because of Zed reason. People love
that kind of shit. It shows that you took the time and effort to really be vested, not only in their
company and them, but to really make a difference. TJ, that was a great take. David, go for it.
I was just going to say, well said. And I hope that cops, I hope you get away from the cops.
Yeah, the fault of living in the city.
Guys, and that's an insider perspective, right? Insider take from CJ who actively does recruit
and is kind of on the other side of those seedings when people are going through the door. And I can
kind of top what he said or kind of put on top of what he said that effectively, if you're going for
a company and you make the past that first stage, that first step of getting through the door, now
they want to interview and kind of see what you're about, soft field, hard skills all
included. If you don't know more about their company than they do, chances are you're going
to fall off and you're not going to make it through the door. There's something I want to go back to
what David said, though. David, so obviously people hit you up all the time for opportunities,
and I'm sure there's a ton of them. How do people identify if there's an opportunity in the
market, whether it be niche or not, and how do people identify when the opportunity is going to close
versus how long it's going to stay open for? Because obviously, I think everything is very time
sensitive. I think timing is a lot of what people should do, and it's a lot of what they should
pay attention to, rather. So how do you kind of defer what may be an opportunity for two, three
weeks versus two, three months versus two, three years and all that great stuff?
Well, that's a good question. And that's where what CryptoJ was saying, CryptoJesus was saying,
and myself is putting in the effort. It takes effort just to pay attention, right? To be active in the
space. Twitter spaces is, I think, more revolutionary than people understand. Even with Elon Musk,
I mean, we're really early to Twitter spaces, and this is coming from someone that was early to
Clubhouse. And remember when the Bored Apes came to Clubhouse, I just capitulated and stayed on Clubhouse
longer than I should have. But I was in, anyways. But yeah, again, being present, look, not a lot of
people can go on stage, or maybe you don't. There's nothing wrong with being a listener. I'm just one of
those people that likes to talk and to help to provide value, right? But I mean, looking at it as a
podcast, I mean, I learned this from Clubhouse early that people can still learn from Twitter spaces
today, is that it is an enormous, I mean, even from this space, this should have massive amounts of
replays. People should be retweeting this space. There's only 72 comments down there. It's absolutely
ridiculous. This should have 100 retweets and 500 likes, to be honest. People need to go back and
listen to spaces like this. And just if you're driving in your car or doing stuff around the house,
the amount of information, I mean, think about it. Scammers, you know who gets it? I hate to say
this, scammers. Because they take the information that they hear, and next thing you know, oh, there's
a Tate coin, and oh, this came out. They heard it from a space, or they're sitting right next to you
in a space. And the difference is, is they're using the information for bad. And if we want to make
Web3 successful, then there needs to be more of us that, instead of are ready to just buy and dump
on each other, we need to be able to be willing to build with each other, regardless of what project
or PFP we all represent. And I would say, if things make you uncomfortable, that's a good sign,
right? Because if something makes you uncomfortable, if something's difficult to do, if it takes a lot
of work, if it takes a lot of energy, that means your audience is being slimmed out dramatically.
They're being fucking decimated. Because if it feels like a lot of work, if it takes a lot of effort,
if it does all these things, well, and maybe you feel like, hey, maybe I'm taking the wrong life
path or wrong choices. What am I doing? You're in Web3. That's likely a great indicator if you're
in the right direction. Because if you walk the same path as everyone else, you're just going to
be another statistic. But if you go off and forge your own path, that path might be the next path
everyone starts taking. This is the key. It all starts with solving problems, right? We say that
a lot, but people use it more as a buzzword, as opposed to a core ethic, you know, so that they
live by, right? That's how I was successful in reputation management space. That's how founders
and that's why people are constantly looking for utility. That's why developers are so important.
And I, we, I, we shit on them more than we should because they're the ones that are really
solving the problems. You have a founder, a visionary, right? The founder is supposed to be
a visionary. They're supposed to lead, right? They should know the end result of where they want to
take, you know, a business, a company. And, and that visionary is supposed to, you know, specifically
and strategically get people that will help them on that path and take care of those people.
Some of the biggest billionaires that I've worked with in the reputation management space
all say the same thing. When you ask them, what's one thing you can tell me? And most of them always
talk about taking care of the people around them, building a team, replicating your vision and yourself
and others, and then delegating them divisions and projects to help build the overall goal, right? And
that's, that's where we lack, right? And so, so that I'll, I'll end with that.
A bunch of great takes there. I want to say something. I want to ask you guys a question
after this to what David said, the founders are the visionaries. Obviously you have the,
I guess, I guess the ones that kind of build up to the visionary, kind of work with the visionary
daily, monthly, weekly basis to obviously add to the vision and maybe adjust it, et cetera,
et cetera. I can touch upon this.
It might kind of resonate with you and it does effectively when having a vision, whether it be
two months out, two years out, 20 years out, whatever it may be, find that vision, kind of
pinpoint it and then reverse engineer it, kind of work from it backwards. So saying, so let's say I
want to have about a hundred thousand followers on Twitter. Let's say that's your goal.
Find someone who has that, see how they got there and reverse engineer it backwards. So see the steps
that they took and kind of plan from it backwards. I've always done that my entire career,
which is, hasn't been very long since I'm only 25, but I've always done that. I see where the goal
is and I kind of see how do I take those steps reverse engineer? Like what could I do to get
there? And I think it's an easier process and it actually kind of plays a trick on your mind from
what I've seen and what I've learned that it actually makes the goal probably more attainable
and it makes it less aggressive to actually getting there. So the goal seems a little bit closer,
a little bit, a little bit further and or not less further rather than actually kind of seeing,
oh, a big jump, big jump, big jump. It's like, okay, it'll step at a time, reverse engineer it backwards.
That's effectively what's worked for me. It may not work for you, but I hope it does.
There's one thing, David, that you said. I think that Twitter spaces, yes, we're extremely,
extremely, extremely. I believe you guys both said this. But my one thing is that we also live
in the information age where a fuck ton of information is blasted out. Our social media is
24 seven, whether it be TikTok, Instagram, you know, you're just doom scrolling. At the end of the
day, we all kind of do it. We're all victims of it. How do you, and your, and your opinion is
obviously subjective. How do you guys kind of decipher and depict which information you guys should be
taking and applying or which information is garbage? Because you'll have people, as you guys said,
sitting in these spaces listening to podcasts for two, three, four, five hours. And it is too much
information to digest all at once and apply to your lives. So how do you guys kind of depict and decipher
which information is the most important information you guys should apply?
Yeah, that's a good question. You have to be very selective, you know. Take for me example,
when I came into the space. I'm not new to Web3, but I was new to crypto Twitter because I was on
Clubhouse. And so when I come in, the people I surrounded, and I went into everybody's spaces.
And if I went on stage, and somebody knew me, I would get a message, hey, maybe you shouldn't be
up there because of this. And so all of you told me all about each other, right? And so I had to take
that information. And when I say you, I just mean Web3, right? You know, and I still get that even
in one of my spaces I did the other day. I was getting that I still get that. And all you can do
is take the information and make the best decision based on your character, right? So the ones that
are a little slimy are probably going to not listen. But if you're here to really build, then,
you know, you just have to be careful because everybody's going to want to point you in the
direction. You just have to have the insight and the integrity enough to make the right
decisions. I really can't. It's a really good question, Andrew, but it's a really hard question
to answer, right? And sometimes you do learn from making the wrong decisions. So, you know, fail
forward, I would say. That's a good take. David, we all have these people around us. So obviously,
we're in different groups. We have different friends and maybe ex-friends, whatever it may be.
Do you think getting a second and a third opinion on certain things is crucial? Because I will
usually, if I'm told something or whatever it may be on a big scale, small scale business decision,
whatever it is, really, I will go to two, three people that I trust. Obviously, I know these
people are not involved in situations. They don't have any motives behind it. I will usually get a
second or third opinion and kind of weigh into the decision, but I won't get too many opinions
because then you become a tyrant. You have too many fucking opinions like, well, I'm being told a hundred
different things. What do I do? What do I do? What do I do? I will go, let me go ask Steve. Let me go
ask CG. Let me go ask Noah. Let me see what these guys say. I'll rep it up to people in the space,
understand business, et cetera. Let me see what they have to say. And then kind of go and attack
what I want to attack. Less of too many opinions, but more people that I trust. And I think weighing
in opinions could be something that's crucial. But what have you kind of found, David? Do you think
asking two or three people could be beneficial? Or do you think just kind of saying, fuck them,
let me do what I want to do? Well, Andrew, first of all, I think that you're ahead of your time for
25. I appreciate that. Yeah. I think that's, I mean, that's exactly what I do. On a higher level,
what I've always done is I've always kept the angel and the devil principle. I'll ask someone
just indirectly, right? You don't have to always let people know why you're asking the information,
right? But I will ask somebody, two people or three, and I know that two will actually have the
opposite. They always have the opposite. So I want to hear both sides. So I'll ask my positive
friend and I'll ask my half, half empty friend, or I do have a couple of mentors that I, that still
coach me on a consistent basis. And both of their styles are very different. So I'll ask them, but
I think that's a must. And I think that's something that you learn over time, how you've learned it so
young is, is good for you. Keep that principle because it'll definitely help you. You don't
want a bunch of yes men, you know, even when you're a founder and if you have staff, right? Don't,
don't, that's where a lot of people make the mistake is they bring on people on board that are
just yes men or women, sorry, or yes people. You know, you want people that are, you really do want
people, especially talented people that will challenge your thoughts to a level where it
will help you think better and have a better vision for the company. And I think that's where
some people fail too, is they just build an echo chamber as opposed to inspired critical thinkers.
Great take it. I'll say this when we get to these hands after. I've been smarter, not smart,
because I don't know it all. I don't know really anything. I've been smarter because I've been
foolish. I'll just kind of leave that there. I want to go to CryptoJesus, Raph, because he hasn't
said anything yet. And then we'll go to Michele, Noah Jose, and I believe that CM also had their
hand up. Thank you, Andrew. I really like what you said about breaking it down into obtainable
actual goals, like reverse engineering the problem. But really what it comes down to is that's a great
way to start. And then exactly what David's talking about as well is you don't want to die on
your hill, right? We all have our own individual hill. We all have our own individual ethos,
but you don't ever want to get emotional. It's very hard to not get emotional because of course
you're going to be attached to a thing that you're working on or developing, especially if you put
years of your life into it. But you can never be emotional. You always have to be rational. Ask
one friend, ask the one with the opposing view, get as many opinions as possible, especially if you're
investing years of your life into a singular product, right? You want to get as many potential
customer opinions as possible. You want to know that your pain point is actually a pain point. You want to
know that your product is actually going to address that pain point. You don't want to die on a hill
and waste years of your life just because you feel like you have to defend this thing you've invested
so much time into. But at the same time, if you are a founder, you will also get to the point or if
you're building anything, following whatever it is, where you're going to question yourself, right?
You always get to a point where you hate yourself. You're like, I don't know what I'm doing. I don't
know if I'm wasting my life. I have no clue if this is the right direction. And that's when you have to
make sure you don't lose hope because the second you lose hope, everything is out of the window.
I like to think fundamentally there's two types of people in this world. There are people with hope
and there are people without hope. And because of the fundamental structure of our systems and education
system and whatnot, there is a significant amount of people without hope because we've structured
this system to be, you know, derive people to become factory laborers rather than fostering skills
and doing what people want, right? The why instead of the what. Instead, we focus on the what today.
And that creates a lot more fundamental issues. So as long as you take a goal and you break it down
into actual items. You ask plenty of people, you get a great consensus. Keep the path forward. Keep
asking people along the way. Do not go off course just because of one person's opinion or just because
you second guess yourself. You have to make sure you have a consensus. Always keep it logical.
Great point that I will say this and I'll pass the mic over. I have struggled with imposter
syndrome before. I think it's something normal, especially when you're scaling yourself in your career,
personally, whatever it may be. Imposter syndrome is definitely normal. It's just kind of an indication
of KPI for growth, in my opinion. Mikaela, I then want to go to Ratsby and then we'll go down the rest
of the list. Yeah, just it's tough to know what advice to take in the space, right? And there's
conflicting advice everywhere. And I think a couple people have mentioned this, right? Like build those
relationships with people that you trust to tell you the truth. But there's also kind of that danger
of getting into analysis paralysis, right? Like overthinking every decision. Like I know for
Sedona, like we have weekly team meetings. We hash out, you know, upcoming things. We hash out what our
five-year vision is. We hash out all this stuff. But we have to be willing to make a decision and stick
by it and then fail quickly. If it doesn't work, just fail quickly and move on, right? Like don't
double down on a losing proposition. Like very early on in Sedona, we were watching our competitors
and they're onboarding like 10 to 15 games every week. And we're like, oh God, that's what we need
to be doing, right? But once we dug in a little bit, we're like, most of these games are total trash,
right? We want to build a sticky platform where gamers from Web2 will come and have the experience
that they expect from a Web2 game. But with that added level of, you know, ownership and everything
else that comes along with Web3 gaming. So like we, it's important to like watch what other people
are doing, but like more so to learn from their mistakes, not necessarily to copy what they're
doing. You have to find your own path. You have to be willing to go for it, like stick with it. And
if you fail, just fail quickly and move on and iterate. Great point, McKaylee. Great point.
Raspi, I want to apologize and also give you your flowers for joining us today as well as being
patient. Obviously, you've been more up here. Just kind of listening, sitting back. Hopefully,
you've gotten some great information, but it's nice to have you on board. And I'd love to know
your take on what success looks like from a founder perspective. Yeah, no, definitely. And,
you know, to touch on that point, I definitely also think, you know, looking for
solutions to different problems and how that's derived and what the best way to approach that is
also based on what your goals are, you know, with your project and how Web3 you want to
approach that goal, right? If you are, you know, looking for kind of more of a hybrid
Web 2.5 approach, I think going towards a more, you know, smaller cluster and smaller
community, maybe, you know, with founders and key operating partners to solve problems
is probably the way to go. But if you're trying to be as Web3 as possible, you need to have
systems in place that will, you know, gather consensus from the greater community as efficiently
as possible so that you can make quick decisions. I think that's the goal of Web3.
fundamentally, it's not about, you know, me. It's not about us. It's about we,
the collective. And so, you know, I guess I can go back now to answering what a success
look like in Web3. You know, it is, is again, it's, it's about, you know, Web3
fundamentally what, you know, the most kind of key components of it are and kind of what
I've, what drew me into it from everybody kind of, you know, talking about it as kind
of like the OGs of the space mentioned. It's ownership, transparency, you know, collective
incentivization, participation, and the, the, the we component, like most importantly, I
think this allows for a lot of opportunity, discovery, creation of opportunity and distribution
of opportunity. So, I mean, I guess it comes down to like, what is, what is success? Well,
what, what can you create for the participants of whatever the project is that you're trying
to deliver on in terms of building value? Is that networking? Is that, you know, friendship
opportunity? Is that tools that empower and enable the users and holders? Is that
entertainment? Is that profit? Is that solutions to problems? So for me, it's, I guess, your
ability to fulfill on, on the things that you guess, I guess you promise to empower your
community and create value for your community. For me, like, for example, as an investor,
I'm still actively investing even in the current state of the market. What I look for is brands
that are fulfilling on, on the web three fundamentals. What I do myself as a founder is I collect a
lot of data from the entire community as efficiently as possible. I look for solutions to problems.
I also look for, for opportunities. And oftentimes I'll find a lot of opportunities in, in problems
that occur in web two business ideologies that everybody can recognize and identify with.
Things that are easy to understand because what you can oftentimes do is find web three solutions
to those problems. I pretty much built like my, my entire platform on finding a lot of, you know,
web three solutions to web two problems. These are things that are, you know, great education
opportunities and allow communities to understand the solutions to those problems and the objectives.
It also, you know, creates opportunities for them to empower and educate others. So for me,
success, I guess, looks like the ability to fulfill on roadmap promises for our roadmap. That's creating
problem solutions for web two ideologies and web two pain points. And that's what we're,
we're trying to do ourselves. So for me, success looks like being able to deliver on these things
for my community, being able to empower them and allow them to, you know, I guess, enjoy the process,
enjoy the building process.
Great take. I love that. I love that you're sitting back watching, seeing how things are
playing out, what people are doing, what they're not doing, and obviously gather your market research
and obviously proceed forward and scale for it. I love that. Noah, who, who was next on the hand
list? Was it, was it, uh, I don't even know who was next on the list.
I think we had Chief D-Gen and sorry if I get this wrong, but Chief D-Gen and then we can go to
Jose and then Dobbins after that.
Yeah. Thanks guys. So, uh, interesting conversation. So I just wanted to bring up,
um, my sort of view on the whole advice and where you stand with your own beliefs and convictions.
I think the maxim for me, right, is strong convictions, but loosely held. So, um, belief in
whatever strategy and conviction that you have at the time, but, uh, loosely held in the ability to
just pivot at any time, um, uh, on the, uh, sort of advice meta or topic that, um, a few of the
speakers were discussing. Like, again, like I think advice is sometimes it can be dangerous. I think
the, uh, the key is, can you validate that advice rather than, can you just get that advice? Is it
just a conversation? I've been an advisor for multiple projects across multiple industries. Um,
and I, I'll hold my hands up. Sometimes I've given some, some horrible advice because the problem is,
is if you are the founder and you are seeking advice nine times out of 10, um, the person you're
seeking advice from doesn't have the picture that you have, doesn't have the data that you have,
doesn't have the understanding that you have. So, um, advice is always great, but, uh, validation of
that advice is, uh, is the key for me here.
So, let's go to Jose next.
Hi, um, I just want to say that, um, I don't know personally myself if I feel like I've found
success in this space yet, but I also don't feel like I haven't. Um, I don't know what I'd like to
do here, but I'm showing up every single day and trying my best to interact with all the bigger
people and trying to at least make a name, my name more recognizable and have them be like,
hey, you know, that's Jose. I always see him on the timeline and whatnot. And, um,
no way. And I do know, I do know that I want to be here and, and I'd like to be able to,
but I wouldn't be able to have a chance to speak with people like y'all, um, anywhere else, or at
least not without having to pay. I feel like, um, I say that at least my advice to people is to give
it your all in this space, whether it's growing your page or trying to better your reach and trying
to build your own brand and whatnot. Don't be afraid to get out of your comfort zone, make that thread,
uh, join that space, try and make yourself more approachable, keep an open mind of things.
Don't be afraid to ask people for help. You know, the people that have grown here,
uh, were possibly where you're at at one point and, uh, everyone either worked or networked for
what they have. You can't wait for everything to fall in your lap. You have to go out and grab it.
I'd say. And, um, I'd say one more thing is, uh, don't compare yourself, but rather learn from
others. Comparison is a thief of joy. Okay. So I want to applaud you for obviously being
in your first bases with us. That is awesome. Initially when I reached out to you, I didn't
know it was your first base, but I'm happy you were on your first base with us. Um, but there's
something that I can personally leave you with, or I think everyone else listening as well. I think
to get closer to finding out what you want to do, I think you have to find out what you don't want
to do. So I feel like, I feel like if you take a bunch of shots on things and make sure
they're obviously calculated decisions, don't just kind of blind fire, wildfire. I think if you find
something that interests you, pursue it. If you kind of get a little bit, you know, further
along, you realize you don't end up liking it. I think that's important because doing
stuff you don't actually don't like, we're being closer to doing something you actually
do want to do. I think every day, every month, whatever it may be. So I think taking your
shots and having a sense of curiosity is super, super important, especially when you're finding,
I think your passion or your love for whatever you want to do.
I just want to add to that, Andrew. I think it's a must that you do that. You're never going
to find out what you're good at unless you try everything that you can. So especially if you're
in Web3, then there's only so many things you can do, right? But that's the best way
to find out what you're good at because some things people will excel in and some things
they won't. So what, when you'll start to see, once you get involved and try to do everything
you can, you'll find your niche.
Awesome take. And I think what David said as well, I think it's okay to have admiration
for someone that's doing it better than you currently are or someone that you look up to.
I think that's normal. I think you can actually learn something from everyone, whether it be
a good or positive experience. You could definitely learn something. And I think looking, I think
not having, it's not about having role models. I think it's really depicting about one or
two, three things from each person and what they say and how they do things or how they
do things and maybe positive or negative. I think moving forward is something we can all
personally learn from. Dobbins, man, what is going on? I think you have one of the nicest
mutants that I've seen thus far.
Hey, Andrew. I really appreciate that. Thank you. It's new. It's a new mutant for me.
Um, I, I really liked what David touched on and you as well about like, you know,
trying things and you, you don't really know until you know, um, and you won't get to that
destination of where, like, where you feel you belong until you, I don't know, knocked
up six or seven things off the list of things you want to do. Um, I'll, I wanted to also
touch on like what you talked about. Um, you know, if you admire someone in the space,
I think it's, I think it's great and important to imitate them, but imitate them in a way
that you put your own touch on it. You know, people can smell off, often, and authenticity
and can like tell whenever you're being yourself or not. And so if you're just, you know, trying
to put out what the next guy does next to you, like, you know, people aren't going to flock
to you. Um, so I just wanted to like touch on that and also, um, you know, jumping around
from thing to thing, you know, group chats, the Twitter host spaces, um, I don't know,
launching a protocol, dropping a project. It, there are different, uh, seasons in the space
and one, and one of the great things is like you come across so many different types of
people, um, in web three. And so I think it's important to, you know, if you have an idea
to communicate with, um, a few different people and not just one, it, you know, kind of get
you out of the echo chamber, kind of get you out of your head. So you can kind of bounce
ideas off of them. But yeah, thanks Andrew.
Great take, great feedback. I think it's definitely applicable.
Um, I also think when in such a large space as this, I think it's super, super important
to, um, like we said earlier, find people who you can earn ingredients with, aren't
in ingredients with, as well as people you don't agree with. And it kind of maybe sometimes
punch holes in your own theory as to why you think this way, because obviously you could
be on the wrong end of the stick. And I think it's very, very possible. So let's say David
and I have a different take on certain things. I'll kind of put myself in his shoes as to why
he thinks this way, why he's doing this and see if maybe I can add that to my life
or decrease or whatever it may be. Um, we can go to SmartFi.
Oh, great guys. Thanks for having me up here.
I just want to say, first off, a success in Web3 looks like this room right here, a powerhouse
of great minds, just coming together, giving out information like this is amazing. Uh, from
where I sit as a founder, like I'm just continuing to take notes, you know, because it's just
reevaluate or re iterating things that have been floating through my head, revamping them
and bringing them back to the surface. So I love you guys for that. Uh, I will say though,
on a different kind of a take from it, heard everybody's take so far and they're all great.
Uh, recently I did reevaluate what my success looks like or is to me and Web3 and it's changed,
you know, over the 14 months of having a project and building it from the ground up to where
it is and building the brand and all that. And, you know, thinking I was doubling down
by giving community members tasks, but really it was just the evolution of the brand. Uh, I
had to sit back and I had to say to myself, you know, I said this to the actually two or
two of our founders at the same time. And I said, it's not about money anymore. It's
not about clout followers tweet. It's not about any of that to me anymore. At this point, I
have a 12 year old son who I've literally taken 14 hours of his days away for the last
14 months. And I have to prove to him and show him that the amount of effort that I've put
in has, it will reap what you sow. So to me at this point, success in Web3 is just showing
my son that the effort is off. It pays to work this hard and that, you know, we both
sacrificed a year of our lives to each other because we were together every day, all day
doing crazy shit. And then all of a sudden that's just wiped away by, you know, crypto
and building and brand awareness and all that. So to me, if nothing else, I have to prove to
my son that, uh, that it was worth it. So that's my take right now.
That's a great point. I think as well, I know we're obviously all running that rat
race, which is all something we all have goals for. And I think, I think running the
rat race, we have to be careful that are also becoming slaves to this game is what
it ultimately is. So obviously have your time to actually, you know, have time to
unplug, whether it be watching a hockey game, watching football, going outside with
your dog, whatever it may have that time to unplug because obviously running the rat race
does take a lot on people's minds. And I think obviously when achieving your goals
is super, super important, but I think not becoming slave to them as well is also kind
of important. And to kind of have that cautious mind, like, am I doing too much?
Am I overworking? Am I burning out? Because obviously burning out is something that some
people may face. And I think it's very, you know, very, very important to have that
self-awareness of what you're doing and why you're doing it. And obviously not doing
too much of it.
Also, when you burn out, you're going to see that, you know, instead of taking that one
week vacation, what's going to end up happening is you're not going to work
productively for like a fucking whole ass month. And then you're, you're hating
yourself more. And it's just like this tunnel of, of, of shit, right? Like you
just keep going, you keep going and it gets worse and worse and worse. You need
to take those breaks. What Andrew is saying is very important. It's critical for
anyone, no matter what you're doing, you need to preserve your mental health
above everything else. And smart. I love that. Your why is your kids. That's a
fucking beautiful one. You know, it doesn't get better than that.
Great take, CG. Guys, I do unfortunately have to pop off here. I do have a meeting
in about five minutes, but I do appreciate all those that are responding to me. We're
happy to come back to the conversation. Guys, be sure to follow all the speakers
up here. We do appreciate you guys tapping on once again, as well as all the
listeners. We thank you guys. Obviously you guys are the reason why we host these
spaces, hoping to provide knowledge and value to you guys within, within what we're
doing here. And obviously guys, once again, be sure to follow the speakers and
the co-hosts. We do appreciate your time. And also personal thank you to everyone
here who did answer my DMs. And once again, appreciate, you know, came up here and
added some sort of value. And I do appreciate the conversation. Looking
forward to many more. Yeah, thanks, Drew. Thank you, Andrew. Thank you, Noah.
So we're not, we're not closing the space just, just for clarity. Andrew Porte has
to drop off. He did a great job of getting the guests together. But I do have a
question on that note. How do you guys, and we can go individually, what have
been some periods in your Web3 journey where you feel very burnt out? You kind of
feel lethargic throughout the day. You, you seem to find tasks that were typically
very easy to get through, feel like climbing a mountain. How do you get through
those moments? Do you take a vacation for a week? Do you just take a few days off and
go exercise and go explore your favorite hobbies? Again, rephrasing the question or
summing, summing up that kind of spiel. What do you guys do to mitigate the
burnout and get over that hump and kind of get back to that productive flow state
that, you know, that drives success? I think I saw, I saw the coin merge hand go up
first and then we'll get over to smart finance. Hey guys. Yeah. And I have to,
you have to pop off after this question and obviously the response to it as well.
Yeah, man, this is definitely something that affects every project owner, especially.
I think it definitely hits just regular crypto investors, but if you're a project
owner, it can get to be a lot of pressure because it's not only, you know, your money
going down that you put into it, if the charts going down, but it's all, and it's also all
those investors who are like, you're the one that has to do something about it. And as we
all know, the, the nature of cryptocurrency is that things go up and they come down. And
so this is an inevitable thing that every project owner, whether you're highly successful
or, you know, you've like launched and had no hype behind it and had a month or whatever
despair, these types of things get to project owners, but they also can get to regular investors
too. And thinking about things in terms of the regular investors and what it's like to
be in their shoes is you have no idea what's going on upstairs. So while the project owners
know they have 60 things in the works and they've got this relationship they're building
and this partnership and this thing coming to fruition. And those are the things that gives
the project owners hope the investors, a lot of times, even if there's a really transparent
team, they don't want to say things that aren't, you know, finalized yet. And in that capacity
for them, there's that despair too. And I think that can be really tough for everyone. And even
aside from the investment part of things, the building, anyone here who has a project that
they're building, they know all the different snags, the developers run into the setbacks, the
hardships, or even when they successfully build something, it didn't hit quite as hard as
they thought it would. And so when all those things kind of come to fruition in my mind
and you're doing it for what turns from weeks into starting to turn into years for a lot
of us, I think it's really important. You know, what I would do is simply step away, go look
at some other projects, go see what they're doing. Or, you know, spend time with your family
or figure out a way to exercise or go do something healthy for your life. Even if there's for a brief
moment, I know it's obvious advice, but it's advice that I struggle to take and actualize
myself. So it's something that we do need to remind ourselves every day. And then, you
know, but not going so far overboard that you kind of give up or don't stay, keep your head
in the game. It needs to be a careful balance. So it's a tough question.
Yeah, no doubt. And it's a question that made several hands go up. I think something I personally
deal with is I'm hyper competitive. And I feel like if I am taking time off and I'm falling
behind, there's someone else trying to do the same thing as me, and they're not taking
the time off. And so I'm taking time off and they're not they're getting ahead of me. But
again, not going to hog the mic, I'm going to go go to smart finance, then we'll go down
the line.
I'll say it's like you guys. First off, great, great answer coin that that was that was spot
on exactly, you know, necessary. When it comes to burning out, like I've had great work ethic
my whole life, right? I could sleep six hours and go work 1015 hours a day and not not have
any kind of problem because the weight of those businesses was not on my shoulders. Like you
said, coin, once you start adding in those elements of mental stress that can kind of come
from the responsibility or the accountability or the just the just the perseverance that
you have to put forth, you know, a day in day out. Like you said, if somebody's working
harder than you, you're just getting left behind. And I know that for a fact in this
industry, it moves way too damn quick. So I've burnt out. I've said it to people many
times. We've been at it for 14 months straight. And I've burnt out a few times to maybe two
times when I needed a full vacation, you know, because it was six months into the run. And
then that was great. I got my mental back, came back prepared, ready to kick ass and take
names. And then another burnout, just, you know, it's just sleep. For me, it's really
sleep. If as long as you can keep your body healthy and get the right amount of sleep,
you can, you can work and bust ass. And another thing to address that, that other point about
my son. Yeah. I had to start making it to where every night there was a two hour gap from
eight to 10 o'clock where he could watch a movie or we hung out, you know, just to offset
the fact that we didn't, we weren't riding bikes or doing skateboarding, skate ramp parks
and all that crazy stuff that we did before. I had to offset it with something and just
keep reiterating to him, you know, over this time that it's worth it, that what's going
to come out the other side of this is going to be, I told you so's and Lamborghini races
and jumping off cliffs and shit, you know, like that's, that's what I got. I'm looking forward
to. So I just try to avoid burning out by getting good sleep now. So that's, that's my goal.
Yeah. The sleep advice is so critical. And I hear this a lot in entrepreneur circles and
other circles of hyper-competitive individuals that you don't need sleep. You know, people
that sleep don't get enough done and just, you know, sleep four hours and work the rest
of the, uh, work the rest of those 20 hours. Cause that's the only way to get ahead. And
I know Kobe, uh, like make the Kobe reference that early in his career, Kobe had the same mentality.
He would sleep like four hours a day. Cause he's like, I'm going to practice. I want
to get, I want to get better than everyone else. And he later regretted it. Um, saying
that it ended up in having poor game results. He, he was plagued by injuries. Like sleep
is one of the most important things that I don't, that's why I don't understand when
a lot of these gurus talk about, Oh, you only need five, six hours of sleep, human, uh, human
beings involved to require, unless like you're an anomaly require eight hours of sleep a night.
So I'm glad you emphasize that. Let's go to, uh, Mikkel and sorry, if I'm going to get the
order of the, of the hands wrong, just cause I'm listening and I don't pay attention to my
screen all the time, but Mikkel go for it. Yeah. I think burnout in the space is obviously
a very real thing. Like there's days where I posted GM tweet, right. And it's like, I have
to go through it and reply to like a hundred and some GMs. And that just feels like such a chore,
right? Like it's, it's a grind and it is such a fast moving space that you feel like if you
take even half a day off, you're going to come back and just feel completely disoriented. And
I've, I've done that before, but I tend to be, um, a little more like smart finance, right? Like
I, I just pushed through it. I try to remember my why, like sleep is important. My first year in
the space, I was up until two or three in the morning, degenning, trying to learn all I could
absorb all I could. Um, but once you get to that point where you're, you know,
like you're working in the space and you have like a lot of responsibilities, that sleep
is so important and prioritizing your, your mental health. So yeah, sometimes just putting
the phone down for a day, um, can, can be really relieving. I don't tend to do that personally.
I'm like, uh, one of those people that feels like I will just get left behind if I don't.
Um, so I'm looking forward to other people's advice on this too.
Yeah. I think a lot of people on this panel probably can relate to that. I I'm like that
as well. I have a very hard time putting my phone down. Um, and I I've been told it's
kind of toxic, but I think it's the price to pay if you want to get ahead, especially
in the bear market. Let's go, let's go with chief degen and then Dobby or Dobbin, excuse
me. Yeah. I think, uh, again, echoing, uh, Michele, I think, um, burnout is a real problem
in the space. So we've, uh, my project has only really, uh, actually been announced today,
but we've been building it for a year straight. Um, we've been building sort of technology platforms,
uh, new use cases for NFTs, et cetera. And it's been really tough, um, really tough to,
to, to, to, to execute through a bear market, um, in stealth. Um, the only things that have
really kept me going, uh, personally is playing football. Now that is soccer to, to, to most
of the Americans in the space. Um, but keeping up my regular sports activities, playing football
midweek and every Saturday and doing that religiously and not, not giving up that time
slot for anything to put, doesn't matter what's going wrong with the company. Doesn't matter
if certain deadlines have to hit, just having that sort of discipline and that strict discipline,
which also leads me onto the, the, the sleep equation as well. Like the, having a routine
on sleep, I think is sometimes more important than the amount of sleep, getting to sleep at
the same time and waking up at the same time. I think having that routine gets your body in a
certain cycle, um, which it's easier to, to sort of segment your mornings to do certain
things, your afternoons to do certain things. Um, and then your body gets in a routine, your
body clock, uh, is functioning, um, well enough. And I personally believe sport and, and sleep
are the, are the two things that have kept us going for, for, for the entire year. And to
get us to the stage that we are now to start announcing and launching everything.
Dobbins.
Hey, thanks. Uh, uh, yes. So burnout is, it's so common and so easy to happen, um, in the
bear market really just because everyone's losing money. No one's really making money or
if you do, it's just, it's a rare, you know, it's a endorphin rush. But, um, the, the few
times like I've, I've really hit a wall and I would say in the past like six months, I've
probably hit a wall twice. And, um, it's just because I've woken up and got on Twitter and
just spent all day on my laptop right inside and not, not kept a regular schedule and, and
gone to the gym when go shopping or went on a walk, you know, walk my dog. So I think
keeping a normal schedule on the outside of Twitter is also really important. You know,
it's really easy to fall in here and be like, Oh, this is what I do all day. I'm spent all
my time investing here. But like, if you are not at your best, you can't be your best for
someone else. And so you, you're putting off something that isn't a hundred percent you.
So I love to go mountain biking. Like right now, as soon as I finished this, I'm going
mountain biking right after this talk, I need a break. I'm going to go touch some grass.
Touching grass. I don't know. Oh, and just keeping up a regular schedule on the outside
is really important. And also, you know, talk to your family and friends.
My wife's calling it. So I'm going to hop off you guys. Thank you for having me. I really
appreciate it. I'm going to go touch some grass.
Thanks for coming on Dobbins. I wasn't sure if I was rugging or if you were rugging, but
it looks like you were getting a call. Um, what was I going to say? Well, I had a question
for the panel, but let's get through the, let's get through the responses first. Crypto
Chick, welcome. Crypto Chick, you with us? All right, let's go to Jose for now. I think
Crypto Chick might be having some technical difficulties.
Um, so yeah, um, my, my take on the whole burnout thing and all that is, um, I usually
like to take a step away, usually like on a weekend or whatnot, and just hang out with
my family or friends and my dog. And, uh, one thing I always try to remind myself is
like, you know, the space isn't going to be going nowhere, obviously. So, and even if
you do miss something, there's usually always another opportunities and other thing I kind
of try to tell myself. So when you're overworking yourself or you feel like you're losing passion
for it, stepping away can help remind you like why you're here in the first place and
whatnot. And, uh, we all love to grind it out and try to show up on the daily and because
we see others do it and whatnot, but you can't be efficient if you're not taking care of
yourself first. So doing the little things outside that you enjoy are good to do. I'd
personally also recommend sometimes maybe even IRL events are a good kind of in between
since you can kind of get away from the screens and connect with like-minded individuals.
Mark.
Yeah, man. Thank you. Uh, great topic. Uh, you know, I just wanted to share something
that I do with you guys. I clean, right? So I think, um, I think a lot of the, like being
in spaces for about 18 months now, um, I think a lot of the burnout comes from either running
the space or feeling the need to speak in the space or be in the space 24 seven. And I don't
think the burnout necessarily comes from being in the space 24 seven, because you could always
keep your ears listening and open and learning. It's the information that really draws me to
the spaces. But when I get to that point where I feel like everyone's saying the same thing,
or I don't know where to go or that burnout you guys are talking about, it's probably because
I'm joining in and I'm talking too much. And normally what I like to do is I like to fall
back and we all got cleaning to do, whether it's cleaning your hard drive, cleaning your bathroom,
cleaning your house, cleaning your room, cleaning, you know, your clothes, doing laundry.
It doesn't hurt to like, just put a headset in and be part of it and feel like you're there,
but get some cleaning done. You'd be surprised how many answers come from that. You know,
other things that I do meditate yoga at the beach, but I'll never join in or like offer a chance to
speak. So, and that usually keeps me pretty level. It usually keeps me pretty calm and I feel like a
little refreshed and, you know, maybe sometimes you don't have to, you know, you don't feel the need
to have to speak in every single space. Right. Cause I really feel like that, you know,
I got to be a part of it. People got to hear me. People got to hear my voice. They got to know who
I am. It's not that important. They'll find you, you know, if you're doing good things, word spreads,
you know, and I think that's a bit of confidence that I'd like to share with everybody. Right. If,
if you're doing good stuff and, and your name is, is wringling and you're meeting people in real life,
your name will spread, you know? So, uh, you know, you got to take that fear out of it and you got to say,
you know what, today I'm going to take off. I'm going to be a part of this, but I'm going to clean
or I'm going to get some stuff done that I need to get done. And we all have stuff we need to get
done. But a lot of times, if you listen to what I think is, it was Dobbins. I think he, he was the
one who was speaking. A lot of times what we're doing is we're focused so much on our phone that
we're just sitting still, you know, listening and trying to join in and trying to talk. And like,
we end up losing the day. And then that's where that burnout comes from. Cause you know,
we lose the entire day. We lose everything we wanted to do at the end of the day. You feel
terrible. Cause it's like, shit, I didn't get nothing done. And, uh, yeah, so that's it. That's
all. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for giving me a chance to speak and share that knowledge.
Yeah. Thank you for sharing that knowledge. And I, the reason I asked the question is cause I
have been more recently feeling, well, I really love what I'm doing. I love what I'm building,
but I've been feeling lethargic, kind of slow to think. I feel that I'm not able to articulate
myself as clearly. And the one, the one denominating factor that I could think of was,
Hey, I'm actually not really moving. I haven't, I was, uh, I was an athlete most of my life and I
haven't exercised and I mean, I've here and there exercise, but I haven't exercised in over a year.
Like I've been on my computer all day and I think it might be infecting my speech. It might be
infecting the way that I think, the way that I process my thoughts and then articulate them
with my voice. It's, it's one of those. Um, and also some tasks that typically take me,
um, let's say a task takes me five minutes. It's taking me 15. So I find that a lot of people on this
panel probably have experienced something similar working in web three because we never,
never turns off, right? You can literally work Monday through Sunday and then do it all over
again. And there's nothing stopping you. There's no, there's no punch out. There's no market closing.
Um, and so it's great to get other people's insights and find out what's worked for other people. I've
heard great things about yoga and meditation. I've heard great things about getting sun,
going and spending time with family and friends. Um, Sphinx, I see your hand go up and I know
crypto, crypto chick, I called you, called on you earlier. Um, maybe you had your, uh, some issues
with your mic, but I'm going to go to Sphinx, then crypto chick, and then we'll go back to smart,
smart finance. Hey Noah, thanks for ringing me up. You know, I just, I wanted to, uh, comment on this
and also just on some stuff I heard Mark say. Um, I think, I think that people just need to define,
you know, what their end goal is and, and see, you know, how their daily activities are either
getting them closer or further away from that. And for me, Twitter spaces, um, is a complete waste
of time when I am not careful, um, when I'm not deliberate. Um, and if I, if I just go, and it's
very tempting, right? Because there are very interesting spaces. So now I, I really just go,
if I see somebody, um, in a space that I respect or, or something like that, or it's a topic,
but I will tell you that before I used to go to, um, you know, I would just go on Twitter spaces.
I said, what's the space and what's the next place. And that is a complete time waster because
if you think about it, um, and I realized this during the, this Bitcoin hackathon startup hackathon
that I did where I had no time to go on Twitter spaces, I got so much done. And I thought,
Oh my God, this, like I've been wasting so much time. And it's not only that, but it's the energy
that you expend, right? If you're just listening, you know, okay, fine. You can even turn the volume
off. But for me, anyway, if I'm on speaker, I'm paying attention because I want to, you know,
I'm contributing and you have to realize like a lot of us think that we can, Oh, I can work while
I do that. Yeah. But you know, I, it's not that quality of work. Isn't the same because for me,
anyway, I'm focused on, you know, also paying attention, uh, trying to contribute. If somebody
asks me something, you know, so, I mean, generally I don't, if I go up on a stage, like I expected to
say something, I'm not just going to sit there. So, um, I would just say to, to be deliberate,
really deliberate about the time spent on these spaces. And, and for me, it has been a bit of a
struggle because it's like that, that scene with, um, Al Pacino and Godfather three, where he's like,
as soon as I'm out, they pull me back in, you know? And so it's like, it's, it's very tempting.
It's very tempting. And, uh, to sort of get lured back because there's always something going on,
but I guarantee you next week, the same thing will be going on with different people. Um, so anyway,
I just wanted to say that. And, and that's certainly not to mention people who, who sort of make a living
off of doing spaces, right? Which certainly is, is different and understandable. But if you're
building a product, if you, if you're building something that is, is, is separate, okay, whether
it's in web three or not, the more time you're talking or listening to others talk, the less time
you're, you're actually doing anything and building with that hundred percent focus. That's
what I wanted to say. Thank you. And I have to go back to work. Yeah. Okay. Well, thanks for coming
on and sharing Sphinx. And I would, I would agree with Sphinx. If you're just passively listening
to people on spaces all day, you might absorb some information, or at least I'll speak for myself.
I might absorb some information, but a lot of it goes in one ear and out the other, and I'm maybe
even busy doing something else. If, you know, if you do want to listen to spaces all day, I would say
make sure that they're, they're insightful and the material is strong and also try to take some notes
or try to take a lot of notes, which is what I do. Otherwise I forget most of what I hear.
I want to go to Felix and then, or not, sorry. No, I saw Crypto Chick and then Felix and then Susie.
Hey, everybody. Um, I know you probably called on me earlier and I'm sorry about that. Um,
I'm trying to, um, I'm in the middle of quite a few really exciting things and
saw a smart finance in here and saw what you guys were talking about. I wanted to jump in and say
hello. And, uh, I wanted to throw out some of my, some of, uh, my, my tips and everything.
And I would say, um, definitely sleep, definitely, um, your goals and definitely good vibes.
So the more good vibes and stuff, the more good, positive people that you're around,
um, the more positive things that you're doing, that you're putting out into the universe,
the better you feel and the more that you can think properly, you know, to plan things.
So I just wanted to also let everybody know, this is super cool. I'm getting ready
to go and interview the chairman of Miami cryptocurrency task force. So if you, if you
guys have, uh, they're trying to make Miami like a full digital where they accept crypto
all over. So if you guys, it's pretty exciting. And if you guys have like any questions you
want me to ask him, it's on a show up on a show called climbing the ladder to success.
So everything that you guys are talking to, you know, talking about in here, um, definitely
is a relevant.
So I don't know if anybody has any questions you guys want me to ask him before this interview,
you know, um, let me know. Cause you know, we're, uh, we're definitely trying to help push
the, uh, web three, but three movement forward.
Yeah. I guess one of the questions I would have from him for him is what specific steps are
you guys like, what are, what are five to 10 specific steps that you guys are taking
in order to make Miami a crypto hub? Um, but I'm looking forward to hearing the interview.
And if you want to, if you want to pin a link to the show or to the interview to the top
of the space, you're more than welcome to.
Yeah. As soon as a, we're going to have it. And then it's going to be, uh, thrown out there
live for everybody to see tonight at 7 PM Eastern.
Sure. Right on. Um, I'm going to go to, I feel like your hand went down. So I'm going to go to
Susie, then Mark, and then back to Sphinx. Have a wonderful day, everybody.
Yeah, you too. Thanks for coming on. Yeah, you're welcome.
Hi everybody.
A fantastic look at how we manage our lives. I just want to remind everybody.
Susie, I'm really sorry to interrupt. You're a bit muffled and I want to make sure that everyone's
able to hear you clearly before you drop some knowledge on it.
All right. Is that any better?
It's much better.
All right. Um, I just want to remind everybody that, you know, the, the entire web three movement
is, is still relatively new and everybody's trying to find their balance and their way.
But I just want to say, you know, and I encourage all of you to remember that each person here is
unique and different, which means if you see a lot of things and you see someone is doing something
that is similar to what you're doing, you as an individual have the ability to change course
slightly and remember your place, your vision. It's wonderful to hear advice from people,
but you still got to run your race. And as far as burning yourself out goes, you know, you take time
because every day there's time for only a certain number of things. You have to remember to prioritize,
but mostly to prioritize what makes your spirit move, what your passion, what's the center of your
passion about your projects. You take each moment because every second we forget how important time
is sometimes we get so stuck in, but what you're doing, if it's important to you and you're passionate
about it, give yourself a chance to fly. That's what this time is about. I think if we realize and
remember that we're in a very unique time in our global culture, things are happening for each of us
and for all of us that have never been done before. So take the time to back up a little bit. If you feel
yourself getting tired, take a shower. I mean, I know that sounds basic, but take five minutes to get in
the shower and let that water hit you because it revitalizes your mind, your spirit, your body, and it gives
you the time. It's just the time to break away for a second so you can see your overview freshly, freshly
put in front of you. I want to thank all of you for doing what you're doing right now because it's obvious
that special things, the building that is taking place behind the scene, it's okay to be in stealth mode
and it's okay to come out and peek out every once in a while and do something, add something on bit by
bit. You can be competitive and you can have goals for yourself about time, but things happen. Things
fall in front of us that are supposed to happen and they happen for a reason in time and on time. I just
give my heart out to each one of you and say, I support what you're doing. You know, I'm building for
myself and for my legacy. I am new to this space, but I recognize how special it is and how brilliant
it is what's coming out of it. But now is the time to take advantage of those obscure thoughts that you
have, those things you thought, oh, I can't do it. You know, it's not time for this. It's time. It's time
for you to do what you never thought you had the opportunity to do before. You have it now. And I
want to say thanks, my love, to each one of you. Keep going. Don't give up. I'm out.
Hey, Suze. I think I pronounced that right. I hope I pronounced that right. I just want to say,
I found your voice and the way you speak very refreshing and motivating. Keep doing what you're
doing. And you said you're new to Web3. Welcome. We embrace you. I mean, I know what I do, at least.
Keep doing what you're doing and keep sharing that positivity. I think we all need it,
especially in this market. Thank you. Thank you so much.
Yeah, I couldn't have said that better myself. Thank you so much, Suze, for that stream of thought
and those uplifting words. Felix, I know that you put your hand up and then back down again and then up
again. So let's go with you and then Mark, and then I want to get back to Sphinx.
Appreciate it, Noah. Apologies for that. Yeah, no, about the burning out. I've been having that
for quite some time now because every time I get close to making a content, I get burnt out. But
then I realize that it's just my thoughts kind of trying to, or my emotions trying to dominate over
me, over what I truly am passionate for, which is my music. So I completely get it. And the most
important lesson out of the entire thing is whenever you're getting burnt out, there is
time for rest, but there's also time to realize that time is very valuable and wasting it because
you might think you're burnt out can be a little hard and can stop you from doing what you truly
want. Obviously, you have a lot of time for what you want to do. But at the same time,
wow, I've used time too many times there. You just got to focus on what you want to do and
block all the obstacles that are coming at you. And what Suze said said it all. I don't think I
have to repeat it. So that's all I'm going to stand at. Thank you. Cheers. Thank you. Mark.
Noah, real quick, just, you know, from before you mentioned about a lot of us sitting in front of
our computers, you know, chiseling away, you know, think about it. We're all in dark rooms,
right? We're plant based animals. We, we absorb sun, you know, there's vitamin D in sun. We need sun.
Also, when you're staring at a screen, that bright light messes up your melatonin. So it could also
mess up your sleep levels. So there's a lot of effects that go on. I don't know if you're familiar
with paranoid schizophrenics. A lot of times they'll lock themselves in their rooms and shut
all the blinds and it'll only add to the disease because of the fact that they cut themselves off
from all fresh air. They cut themselves off from all sunlight. So, you know, if you think about it,
a lot of times, you know, where are we, you know, on these conversations, we're focused,
we're staring at a screen where, you know, a lot of times we're doing work on our computers where we
got the blinds shut. We're in our rooms chiseling away or in offices, you know, it don't hurt to,
you know, take the phone, take a day off. You could listen, right? Like, you know where I'm
going right now? I'm going to jump on the gym. You know, you can still be in a space. I could,
I could get on my elliptical right now and I could still be on a space. I could still jump in and talk,
you know, I might be huffing and puffing a little bit, but you know, you could, I'm going to,
as soon as I'm done speaking, I'm going to jump on my bike and ride to the beach and,
and do a little yoga. I'm still going to be listening, but, uh, you know, so, uh, you know,
we, you, these are things you got to think about, you know, your effect, the body was built to be
outside. The body was built to be in the sun. We were built to absorb, um, you know, the rays,
the lights. If the sun dies, we all die. Right. So like if we're in a dark room and we're banging
away and chipping away and we're forgetting about this stuff, you are altering your chemical balance,
which will also alter your, um, it'll cause depression. It'll cause, you know, uh,
you can end up being very lethargic, you know, and a lot of times we, you know, you don't realize
this because you know, the, the passion is to create art, the passion to create a project,
the, the passion, you know, to, to, to be part of the space, the FOMO of not missing out on that
next space or that next big piece of information or that next big inspirational thing. You know,
you don't have to always, you know, I just, I wanted to remind everybody about that. Right.
Cause those are the things that I learned, uh, you know, after being in these spaces for,
for a while. And, you know, it does, it does hit hard, you know, and, and, and it could be
discouraging and it can knock you out, but you know, pay attention to the chemical balance of the
body. You know, sometimes you sit in these spaces, you're talking, you forget to drink a glass of
water, you know what I mean? So like, these are all things that we need, but yeah, I'm, I'm thank,
thank you. Once again, I just, you know, I wanted to share some knowledge with everybody and, and,
and keep it positive. And, and, you know, it's, it's, I, I very rarely get, you know, burnt, but
you know, uh, it's because I, you know, I don't, I don't jump on every day. I don't speak every day.
I might sit here. I've been called a bot a lot. You know what I'm saying? Like I've been, uh, a lot
of people have called me a bot, but it's because I'm not talking today. Like I'm, I'm doing my thing.
I'm listening. I'm here. I'm part of it, but, uh, you know, not today, you know, and, and you have to
be very disciplined with that. So, you know, just, just some thoughts, man. Just, you know, I, I like,
I love the topic and, uh, first time listening in the room and, you know, uh, good stuff. So thank
you. Yeah. Thank you. And I'm actually sitting out in the sun right now because I'm guilty of
just sitting on my computer in a dark room, chipping away. And I'm probably vitamin D deficient,
but you know, bro, you get it. You know, I mean, I look over at my girlfriend's cat. So, and they're
like, we have a beam of light that, that shoots in the apartment and they just follow that beam of
light all day, making sure they get every bit of it before it goes down. Um, so if
they get it, then. Yeah. I'm not bullshitting you, bro. I'm telling you, you, you were sitting
in a dark room and, and the effects are going to kick in, you know? So just everybody needs
to be careful about how many, you know, you know, he's sitting there trying to get the
deal, trying to buy the coin, trying to buy the stock at the right price, staring at your,
you know, and then you don't even realize you're messing up your melatonin, your sleep levels
are off. You know, you don't know what time it is in the day. You're going to bed super
late, waking up super late, you know, it's just, and then you're doing the same thing
over and over and over. It has an effect, right? So everybody just needs to be careful about
that. But yeah, I appreciate the conversation. Thank you once again.
Yeah. Thank you. Sphinx, go for it, man.
Yeah. I just wanted to say one other, first of all, um, Suze, welcome to Web3. Uh, you definitely
belong here because your, your, your, your voice, uh, has just helped a lot of people
just in this space, I'm sure. Um, the other thing I want to say is, um, you know, social
media was created like as a tool for us, right? Somehow become in a way like our master, right?
We're like, we're like zombies just consuming it. And our whole goal in life is what to, to
make our presence here bigger. That's fine. It's fine. If it does that, but like I tell
my mentees, but is that getting you closer to whatever your ultimate goal is? Maybe it
is. And the other thing I wanted to say to that though, is however that, you know, when
I said earlier, I said, you have to see if, if being, you know, in a, in a space or blah,
whatever you're doing is getting you closer or further away from your goal. I want to say
something about, uh, spaces where, you know, you just like to go there and spend some time
and, and you enjoy the people. Um, there are a few people, um, in, in web three are outside,
even outside of web three who, you know what, if I see they're in a space, I go in and I mean,
assuming I'm not busy and I don't even care what the topic is. Why? Because they're funny.
They're nice. They're, they're, they're up, you know, they're, they're just, and, and you might
think, well, that's a waste of time. It's not a waste of time. That's never a waste of time
because the human, you need that. You need that time, that downtime to sort of, you can't,
everything can't be rigid. So people always think, oh, well then I can't take a vacation. No,
that means you should take a vacation because that's where you re when you recharge. So I just wanted
to be clear about that. You know, when I say it's something taking you closer to the goal,
you can't be strict and say it must be, uh, advancing, you know, to the goal, it like directly.
No, you do spaces. There are some spaces where, you know what, you just take, take a load off. You
just like shoot the shit. You just, whatever. And somebody makes you laugh and you need that.
Everyone needs that. Thanks Noah.
Yeah. Couldn't have said it better myself. Thank you. And, uh, I think the next hand up was
Maka. And then we got Josh.
Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo. Thank y'all for having me up. Thank you for having up.
So what does success and burnout look like in web three? Yo, um, I want to speak on the
success real part. Somebody asked me at the beginning of this week, yo, McAvely, what is
your plan for the week? And I said, well, I got a, I got a big week ahead of me. And he's
like, really? What, what do you got going on? And I said, I have a week of nurturing the
relationships that I've started to build and continuing to show up every day and just, you
know, committing to my community to be the best version of myself that I could be period. You
know what I'm saying? And not allowing anything to alter that. You know what I'm saying? And
to me, I feel like that's what success looks like in this marketplace. You know what I'm
saying? Because we are here to create and pretty much put ourselves out there in order
to create those things that have yet to be. And guys, we're on the blockchain. We have
DeFi tools and all kinds of things available to us. Like no other, uh, time in history has
ever provided any kind of opportunities like this. And what does burnout look like? Yesterday
was the first day I actually took a day off. Like I wasn't on an alt account. I wasn't
on my Twitter. I wasn't on anything. And I, and I do a voice memo every morning and I said
it, I was like, yo, I'm, I think today's the day. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like
I'm really going to take a me day and, and, and, and I felt okay doing it. You know what
I'm saying? And like, I think a lot of the times, because we're in an attention economy,
like we struggle, struggle with those like FOMO situations and we want to know what's
the next, this and the next that. And like, with just this meme spring, that's really past
us, you know, I, I, you know, we, are we coming out of a bear? Are we going into a bull?
Whatever it is, I know that we have this nice little shiny bull calf in front of us, you
know, and this bear is either going to eat it or the people are going to nurture it. And
we're going to grow and progress from this. And we're going to have a hot crypto summer,
you know, but regardless, I think that, um, you know, not taking the time for the self,
not getting the proper amount of rest, really staying hydrated. You know what I'm saying?
Yo, um, mental health, everybody talks about mental health, but emotional health, uh, social,
social health, all those things are encompassed in mental health, psychological health, how
we understand our emotions, how we process and all these things. These are all things
that we in, in this, in this ecosystem need to really think about and work, help each other
work through, because I think it would be providing overall sense of health and, and, and
just, you know, interactions throughout these, especially in spaces and stuff like that,
you know, cause things have gotten pretty negative. You know what I mean? And like,
you know, you, you see, tend to see things go left and go right. But like those of us
who are here to fight the good fight and do what's right. I think, you know, that's where
the success you're going to find the success at.
Thank you, McAvely. Appreciate you coming up and sharing that and sharing your, you know,
your daily routine and that positive attitude. Uh, and one quick thing I want to touch on is
I never hear people talk about this on the topic of health, maintain good posture at all
times. This is a push to talk app. I know that at least 50% of even the speakers up here
right now have their neck cranked looking at their phone. I can tell you from personal
experience, if you pinch a nerve in your neck, you're not gonna be able to do anything for
one, two, three, four weeks. They're going to be an extreme amount of pain. So maintain good
posture. Keep that phone upright. 180 degrees is the best advice I can tell you. If somebody who's
like on their phone long periods of time, like I pinched a nerve in my neck from having poor
posture, I was out for like three weeks in immense pain. I don't wish that on anybody. It's very easy
to prevent. Just maintain perfect posture. It's super, super important. You don't want to be
walking around with a cane or a limp, you know, five years from now, 10 years from now. Um, when
you're, you know, a young, healthy, uh, capable individual. So yeah, maintain good posture. It's
super, super important. If you're on a computer, if you're on your phone all the time with your
nut crank, looking down, getting ready to hit that, that button when it's your time
to talk, uh, maintain that posture. I can't stress this enough.
Yeah. And as you said that I straightened out my back. One of the things that I found
helpful is even when you're walking, just hold your phone up as opposed to down. So
you're looking straight. It might fool people into thinking you're taking a video of them,
but who cares? Uh, it's definitely something that I have been working actively on straightening
out my back. Let's split. The Sphinx was, did we, I think, yeah, it wasn't. Okay, cool. Yeah.
I think it was, I think it was Josh then. And then we're going to go to Felix and then Sphinx.
Yeah. Hey guys, I'm actually walking right now and I tried out that technique. So thanks for that.
Um, yeah. And I was, uh, just listening to Pump It Up this morning. Love that song, Michael Belli.
Um, but as far as the question of what does success and burnout look like in Web 3, you know,
I've had some success. I ran the first, uh, NFT project for a political campaign. Um, I was
the campaign manager. Sorry, as I said, I'm walking. I was the campaign manager for January
Walker who ran for U.S. Congress in Utah. And we were thinking outside the box and, uh, yeah,
we thought let's run an NFT project. So we did that. Um, and then, but as far as burnout,
like after that whole process, you know, it was my first time running an NFT project.
Um, you know, I did experience burnout and I had to just take a week away from my normal
responsibilities as campaign manager. And, uh, yeah, so I think just taking regular breaks,
you know, meditating, I meditate all the time. Well, I wouldn't say all the time, but 30 minutes a day.
Um, so daily meditation practice, uh, practicing mindfulness, um, and getting in touch with your
subconscious are all very important things to minimize burnout.
Spot on. Felix, go forward, sir.
Well, Raspi said, uh, to put your neck up, I did it. Uh, and I wanted to thank you, Raspi. I keep
forgetting that during spaces. That's A. B. I sent you something in your DMC. Um, I, I honestly,
neglected very much of, very much of things of what I'm supposed to do as an 18 year old
man, you know, like, um, you know, I've neglected hangouts. I've neglected many,
many things in my life that I'm supposed to do as, you know, as an 18 year old, um, you know,
just to perform on spaces and to do many things with my music. And I feel like I should work on that,
uh, many, many times I should, I should work on balancing my life between web three and in real
life much more often. Yes. I do a lot of things when it comes to the gym. Yes. You know, there's
a lot of things I do, but burnout definitely happens with me. And when it does, I, I tend to
treat it, uh, the very wrong way in terms of not doing it. I don't, I don't, I don't get the rest.
I don't do the many things that you're supposed to do when you burn out, uh, just like whenever
you want to take a rest day of the gym. Um, but that's the, that's one thing I wanted to say.
And, and, and the second to touch on Sphinx's point on the first time, when she spoke up here,
she was mentioning the projects that were up on spaces, speaking and, and boaching about what
they're doing before, you know, instead of going to work and building their stuff, you know,
the majority of projects I've seen have done great at building and not speaking on spaces too
much and chatting and all that stuff. Uh, but there's a couple that I've seen that would go
up on spaces, um, and, and instead of spending their time building, they would mostly just,
you know, talk. Uh, and I have no problem with that. You do you, I'm not here to stop you. But
one thing that I do want to say is like, there is so much more than just spaces here on Twitter.
Uh, and even though if I sound like a hypocrite for that, because I live on Twitter spaces for
living, um, you know, when it comes to projects, projects need to spend more time building and,
you know, doing everything instead, instead of, um, instead of talking, but obviously there's a lot
of things with AMAs and all that stuff. So I completely get the balance that many good ones
have. Uh, that's just one that just, that's just my point, because it's very important to speak
about that, especially with projects. I want to swing it back over to Sphinx.
Hi. I just wanted to say, I, uh, I just now noticed the second part of the question,
what does burnout look like? So I want to give a personal example. And, and, you know, as,
as people were always, uh, having to relearn the same lessons, I think, at least I am. Um,
and, and, and this happened to me when I got my first job and, and it just happened to me last year.
And, and it's, it's this, if you ignore, um, what's actually important and what, what was the,
the, the comment about the neck and the posture is, is what reminded me of this. If you ignore,
um, what's actually important, which is your health, your wellbeing, you know, what lets you
do all of the work that you do. What ends up happening is, um, nature has a funny way
of letting you know that it can't be ignored. And when that happens, it, you know, it, it takes a lot.
So I'll, I'll just tell you, like I had a, um, I've had a bad cervical spine. It's fine. I can work
out whatever. But this last, um, uh, last year I was having a lot of pain. I was also working out
every day. I was also working. And I remember saying to my friend, I said, I cannot go get
another surgery right now because I'm, it's going to put me down and stuff. And I didn't,
and I didn't, and I didn't. And ultimately what happened was the same thing that happened to me
like 10 years ago, which was, I got a knock on the door and it was like, guess what? It's your
neck. I'm fucked up and you're down. And when you, when that happens, um, and you, you end up in the
hospital, what you realize is, um, often, you know, that problem didn't have to get to that level.
And, and I experienced that, like I said, like 10 years ago when I was, I was like, I'm an investment
banker. And I don't have time to go to the doctor. I can't go to the doctor one hour to go to the
doctor. No, I can't. Okay. But I have these stomach pains, but I can't go. No. Yeah. But you know
what? Then nature came knocking as well and said, guess what? You do have time. We're going to make
time. You're going to the ER. You have no choice. And that I remember still remember that, that week
that I was there, I thought I didn't have one hour to go to see a doctor about these stomach pains,
but look at me now. I'm in the hospital for a week. So there is time like nature comes and tells
you, guess what? There is time. It's more important than whatever you think, you know,
is, is so vital. Right. Because that week I was like, wow, like the investment bank is functioning
and like nothing, you know, like I'm, it's okay. And it was just nature telling you, you are not that
important. You're not as important as your health and your ego is not as important as your health.
Um, so it was just to me, but to me, what was really interesting was that I kind of had to
go through that again, right. This time. Um, so again, like I said, as, as humans, like, it's like,
I don't know, for me personally, I'm always having to relearn something that, that needs to be, uh,
relearned. Um, thanks.
Yeah. Thanks things. I mean, I'm, I'm starting to feel, um, parts of my body as well. I'll be like,
Hey, if you don't go to the gym soon or go to yoga class soon, then I'm going to keep you out for a
week apart from just a day. And I've, I've, I think Ravsby was, was referring to the pinching of
the neck. That's happened to me a few times where you can't move your neck either way. And you're just
basically either lying down or just looking straight. Josh, you had your hand up, sir.
And then I'm going to get over to smart finance again.
Yeah. I'm not sure if I came in late to the conversation, but I'm curious, um, what does
success look like in web3 to like the co-host and the host since you guys, um, like kind of
formulated that question? Like what, what would you guys answer?
Yeah. I mean, I can go first. I actually just, this is no, I switched over to my, the aquarium
account cause my phone was about to die. Um, that's a really good question. I think if you
would ask me that question in 2017, my answer would have just been to make a lot of money.
And I'm not going to sit here and say that, that, that dream isn't still a vision. Um,
but my way of doing it has changed. And so I, in short, I think that success in web3 to
me would be a couple things, maybe three things, but definitely, um, securing a financial future
for myself and my family, as well as building something right. Leaving the space with something,
hopefully a media company that is reporting on news and also providing educational content,
the latter being critical to mass adoption, um, and the, the company being whale coin talk. So
that is something, those are two things that kind of would encapsulate success to me. And three is,
is building a strong network, right? Which I, I think I have been doing, um, over the last five
years of building a strong network of fellow entrepreneurs and people that share the same
vision out of life that I do, that I could bounce ideas off of, that I can, um, confide in when I need
to. So that, that's, that's my answer in a nutshell.
Yeah. I love that. Thanks for that.
And I don't know if Ravsy had a, had an answer about that. He's building a successful NFT project,
so I'll let him have the mic there.
I would say for, for myself, it would be, uh, being able to create, uh, and distribute and,
uh, educate people on, uh, being able to also create and distribute, uh, value for others.
Um, I came to NFTs myself to fulfill on like my creative passions, um, like art, music, fashion,
kind of all the things I'm into. Uh, I, I hit a bit of a wall in terms of like being motivated by
money. I, I, I, I have a lot of it. I'm very fortunate. Like I, I started with nothing in my
life. I came from an immigrant family. Um, like we literally, I didn't have a pot to piss in, uh,
excuse my language. Um, and, and I was able to, you know, make something of myself. I surpassed
every dream I had as a child, um, by a long shot. Uh, and so I came to a point where money wasn't
doing it for me, for any, like me anymore, like, like physical goods, um, like consumerism just
wasn't doing anything for, for my soul for like keeping me motivated. And so I wanted to do
something that was, you know, very, uh, very important to like my hobbies and interests,
like fashion, music, things that don't really necessarily have a quantifiable kind of value,
uh, to them. So, so that's why I got into web three myself, uh, and being able to kind of,
you know, share that passion with others and do it in a way that is incentivized, uh, and educational
at the same time. So, uh, for me, success would be being able to do that passion and fulfill on that,
uh, that passion while being able to provide value, uh, to others and be able to kind of show others
what's possible in web three, teaching people the differences between, you know, web two,
way of thinking, which is me, me, me, me, me, the consumerism, the, uh, uh, you know,
the kind of, uh, dream of, you know, I'm going to make it, I'm the most important person in the
room and comparing that with the web three mentality of we, we can all do this together.
We can all work together. Uh, we can all build together. We can uplift each other. We can support
each other. We can find solutions to problems collectively where you can win, you can win,
we can all win. Uh, as long as, you know, we're, we're working towards the same kind of
objective, uh, and, and letting people kind of know that that's okay. Um, there is a way
for people to be able to build together, find opportunity, educate, build networks, build
friendships, uh, you know, create all these different opportunities, find, uh, you know,
solutions to problems that we all face, uh, that we're all familiar with in web two and, uh,
working together on those solutions and being able to be kind of first adopters while also
educating, you know, the masses around us on, you know, why these new ways of doing things
are better. Crypto, I think, for example, has already solved that problem in the traditional,
uh, finance sense. Like you can transact faster, better, uh, at any time of day, uh, without
border restrictions. Um, it's, it's much more cost effective. Like it's, there's so many
reasons to adopt crypto versus, you know, having to use like a third party intermediary, uh, like
a bank, you know, those things are closed on weekends. There's so many reasons to just avoid
that system altogether. You can also solve a lot of these, you know, problems with, uh,
NFTs and digital collectibles, uh, things that, you know, are no longer getting traction in web
two, the way music is distributed, the way art is distributed, the way, you know, royalties are
collected, the way experiences are, uh, made exclusive or gated in the way people are
incentivized to support initiatives and projects. So for me, like success looks like getting away
from the old ways of doing things, getting into the new way of doing things, helping people
understand why they're better, making sure that they're incentivized to participate and making
sure that they're included along the way. And that all of the opinions that we all have
together are valued so that we can, as a consensus consensus, collectively move forward.
So for me, like my role in that and being able to facilitate that, uh, and, and, and getting
acknowledgement, I guess, for my role in that would be, I guess, uh, success at this point.
Yeah. Brilliantly put Rapsby. That was awesome. Uh, blur or actually, no, I think we had smart,
um, smart finance and then we'll welcome Blair to the panel with the awesome looking mutant ape.
Absolutely. Absolutely. Uh, I was just going to touch on an old topic and, uh, follow Rapsby with,
uh, that would be unjust. So I'll just bow out gracefully.
All right. In that case, let's hop over to blur. I think if Andrew Forte was still on the mic blur,
he would have loved that mutant ape that you're, you're, uh, boasting on your profile pic.
Yeah. Thanks bro. Yeah. Thanks for having me up. Uh, it's a good conversation. I wanted to just,
I guess my, my perspective is like to kind of take a step back and think about how we define success.
Cause I think it's really like, it's like culturally in our society, we, we tend to put like a monetary
value on success. And, um, the way I like to think about it is to think about like an,
an older person, maybe at the end of their life, who's like maybe facing the end of their life and
looking back at everything they've done and what, you know, how they would measure the success of
their life. Right. Um, I don't think anybody at the end of their life would wish they had another
boat or another car, more money, another million dollars, but they're definitely not going to regret
the time they spent with their kids and their family. And so, you know, I was just thinking
about this in regards to like the gentleman earlier that was talking about his kids and thinking about
the promise of a better future, but then missing that time with his kids. And I, and I have two kids
and I'm guilty of this as well, but like those days tomorrow's not guaranteed. Um, and I think it's,
you know, it's important that we, as hard as we tend to work, especially in the society and
especially in Web3, it's important to enjoy the ride. If we're not enjoying the ride, you know,
then we're not, we're not enjoying the life, the gift of life that's given that the present. Right.
So, uh, that's just my thought. I think it's important because like you look at a lot of even
other cultures and other societies around the world and there's some of the happiest people
and there's some of the people with the, with the least. So interesting thing to think about.
Um, yeah, I never thought of thinking of it from that perspective. And when you do put it in that
perspective, it really, um, kind of really shifts what you would look back and be happy about. I
don't know. It's, it's, uh, it's a good mental exercise. Suze, welcome back, ma'am. The mic is yours.
Suze, we can't hear you too well again. And I, again, you dropped such a great gem last time. I
want everyone to be able to, uh, that's about the same. If otherwise, otherwise we can go for it.
Listen, listen carefully, uh, audience members. If you want to hear Suze's speech
here, I'll, I'll, I'll swing over to smart. Um, I'll swing over to smart finance and then go back
to Suze. I double down what Blair was saying. And, uh, and you know, like how that transition
has taken place for me, you know, early on in, in our building, I was obviously more highly
motivated by other factors. And then as that, as that time was taken from me and put into,
uh, my child or sorry, into my, uh, project and outs and a lot of that time was taken from my son.
That's when you start to start evaluating things again, and you start to notice it.
And I can say, I've been in crypto for like nine years and I was doing it while I was working.
And then when I went home and said, I'm going to do crypto full time. And I was just sitting on my
ass. I realized that my, like Mark was saying earlier, you have a chemical imbalance that
shit starts to shift and you'd start to feel different. And like you were saying, no, you get
lethargic in areas that used to take two seconds now take too, too long and shit like that. So if
you notice it, and then, so like I went to the extreme of like, okay, let me go to coffee shops
every morning and do my business. So that way I feel like I'm still structured and getting out
and then let me, okay, I'm overstaying my welcome there. Let me open a coffee shop. So I opened a crypto
cafe coffee shop just so that way I felt like I had structure again. And then, you know, went from
there to full, full time, like web three business, building our business. Like there's just so many
obstacles and so many things that, that pull you away from reality and real life and family that once,
once I, once I realized it and what it was not just affecting my body, but affecting my relationship
with my, oh shit, if you don't see it affecting your relationship with all your friends and family,
like they fall off first. Right. But you're a close tight knit family, your children, your wife,
your spouse, when it starts hitting home like that, that's when you really have to reevaluate and
re-step back and say, what can I do different to avoid this? Cause I promise you it happens left and
right with every relationship that I've ever seen or known about, like, you know, crypto tends to take
over. So if you can see it and avoid it and know that it's coming and avoid it, then I think that
you will be better, better off in the end game. Like you said, you, you, you, when you die, you don't
get to take nothing with you besides great memories. So, um, you know, trying to keep, keep my son in the
forefront of that. He's, he participates with the crypto, but the real thing is not, not showing him
that the time was wasted, but think about the learning lesson for a young child to see their father
put so much effort and so much work and sacrifice so much into something and then see it prevail and
the success that comes from it. He's going to learn a real valuable life lesson out of it, you know,
over and above, you know, the time lesson. So that's that real generational wealth. Love it. Susie back to
you. All right. I'll try again. I, I just want to say, if you, if you think of the things that
you would miss the most in your life, you can pretty much figure out what success is to you,
you know, the, the, the idea of life, having support, family, people who love you, those things
really count, particularly if you're struggling to succeed or whatever your idea of success is,
success. But we all have successes and failures in life. Success is something that when you achieve
it, you usually don't recognize that that's what it is. So you keep going. But just like web two,
you know, you scroll, we've learned to scroll through life and time. And it means you miss a lot.
You miss the things that are really important to you. But the things that are important to you,
they always come back. They always come up in your face when you're missing the point. So if you have
a relationship with yourself and your heart, you know, that's, that's what Rapsby, I think was,
is your name. I, I hope I pronounced it properly, but the overview of your life, you know, it's an
important part of what you're doing. Everything that you do is a piece. You know, it's just a tiny
piece and you add those pieces on. But at the end of your life, you've got to think, what did I miss?
What did I regret? I don't have any regrets. And I say that many times because opportunities have
always fallen in my lap. And I've always been grateful that gratitude counts more than so many
other emotions you can come up with. Because the things that you ask for aren't necessarily the
things that you need. That's what it boils down to for me.
Things that you ask for aren't necessarily the things that you need. Like my mom has given me
that kind of advice several times in my life. Suze, again, with the bomb. Love it. Thank you so much
for sharing. Felix.
Two things. First off, Suze, I would love to get your permission of going back to the recorded spaces
and making a very nice mini video on my timeline about your speech and shouting you out because
people need to hear that. Don't take anything for granted. And also with that said, I have a quote
that I usually go by with a lot. It is, don't chase the butterflies, mend a garden and the butterflies
will come to you.
Right on.
Man, a lot of great gems today.
We've been at this space open for almost three hours now. And I think this might be a good time to,
well, I was going to stop here, but I actually had one more question.
We covered success, what the success looked like. We covered how to deal with burnout,
burnout, how to handle burnout, which kind of led us into a beautiful tangent of what's important
in life. And we had Suze, we had Smart Finance, and we had Ravsby, Mark, and Felix, Maka,
several others dropped some great bombs on us. It's right, not just about the money and not just
about the notoriety you get from building a successful business or from being, I don't know,
some people want to be famous. So being famous, not really my cup of tea, but it's not really about
that stuff. It's about the relationships. It's about your family, your kids, your girlfriend,
your boyfriend, and the people that make life worth living. The people that, you know, want,
these are the reasons you want to make a lot of money. These are the reasons you want to be
successful. You want to be able to support them. You want to be able to have more time to spend with
them. But don't, don't neglect the fact that you already have those people. So I think all of us are
successful up here in one way, shape, or form. So we talked about that and burnout. And one last
thing, we all work from home. Most of us work from home, at least. I don't know if we all work
from home. Most of us work from home. How do you guys carve out a spot at home where you can be
productive? I have found working in the bed, first of all, is horrible. I don't work in my bed. And
there are studies that show how awful it is to work in your bed, how unproductive you can be in your bed.
But there are also studies that show that if you, let's say that you work in your living room,
but living room is also a place where you chill with your family, you watch movies, you relax. And
if you, if you have a space where you, if you have a space where your brain, that your brain
associates with relaxing and your brain's also trying to associate with work, it is also hard to
be productive. And I actually found that I work really well in a crowded coffee shop. If I have my
headphones in or in a library where other people around me are studying, but we'd love to know
what you guys do to remain efficient, maximum, maximum level efficient. So at the end of the day,
we all want to be successful. We know that we get burned out from time to time and we know how to
deal with that. But now how do we, we be productive with the time that we do have time that we are
spending on our businesses with, you know, see some hand go, see some hands go up. So I'm going to go
with Felix first and then smart finance. I see Blair requested to come up again. So I'll go with
you. Thank you so much, Noah. So the first advice I have for people who really want to work without
finding any distractions, especially if you have ADHD, I hope I'm not wrong with this, but from
what I know, the people who told me who have ADHD, they would rather get the room organized first
before they ever get into their workspace and they start working. Now I don't have ADHD at all,
but I experienced that as well. I need to get my room organized before I sit on my desk and start,
you know, you know, content scaling on, on notion or, you know, writing my ideas and thoughts for what
I have next to, to work on, on my notion as well. So my only tip is organizing your room, organizing
everything around you, especially if you're working in your bedroom is the most effective way to getting
yourself into your desktop or desk and working. Um, second is finding the place that motivates you
most. I mean, you know, there's a lot of places where you can work. A lot of people find
coffee shops to be appealing, um, to work with. And, and, you know, I actually experienced that
and I really liked it. A lot of people think their bedrooms in their own comfort is the best way to do
it. A lot of people prefer to have a whole studio, you know, a whole professional studio built for them
to, to find their workspaces. Most important part is to find what you truly feel genuine in,
and you just go from there and you start working. I just want to add something and Felix is right.
Every, everyone has their own individual way of working and what probably augments their ability
to do strong work, but don't work in your bedroom. Just, this is my anecdotal advice. Don't work in
your bedroom. There's enough studies that show working in your bedroom is proven to be not as
efficient as working somewhere that your brain doesn't associate with rest, rest and sleep. Now
you might be an anomaly and that might not apply to you, but everything else, in my opinion, that
Felix sits on the money, right? If it's a coffee shop, I like to work in crowded places because like
maybe even a restaurant, like, uh, I sometimes go post up at a bar with my laptop and I put my
headphones in. So I'm not hearing all the surround, the surrounding noise, but just the energy of
people moving around, um, gets me plugging in harder. Let's go to smart finance and then to Jake.
All right. Yeah, no. So I was going to try to, so I went from, I, this is actually a really funny
point because it's something you have to experience to actually realize what you, what you don't want,
right? You actually have to do it. So I, everybody probably, I mean, most people, I want to work from
home. I don't want to have to have a place to go to. Right. And then you work from home and you're
like, damn, this is boring. I wish there was more excitement and more stuff going around. I miss all
that engagement. So then I went from that to other coffee shops. Then I felt like I was
overextending my stay there. So I created my own coffee shop, but then I had to be somewhere every
day at 8 AM. And that wasn't what I got into crypto for. So then I closed the coffee shop. And then,
so, so basically my end game was, I have a command center, right? That has everything that I need.
And then I have my laptop. So for specific tasks and each day is different in this field. So
whether I'm on, you know, a bunch of Calendly calls or zoom meetings, or I'm engaging in the
discord, or I have to hunker down and create dozens of pieces of content and create all the
tweets around and do all that. Like I have a specific spot for each thing. Majority of them
are in the sunlight. Uh, I, I hate the captivity of my house and I'm unfortunate. I have a loft
that my bedroom is just behind a set of lockers 10 feet away from my command center, which is in my
kitchen and living room. You know what I'm saying? So it's, it's weird for me, but I like to get out.
The best part of being in crypto is the freedom, right? And if you have a laptop, you can rotate
and keep your energy levels high. Keep stop from that, stop from not receiving sun and get being
blocked away and locked away. Uh, so I guess that's my answer. Multi, multi options, whatever you're doing
that day. Yeah. I actually have a similar setup. I have my, I like to call it my battle station,
but sure. The command station. And then I also have my laptop that I take to various places.
Let's go with, let's go with Jake and then back to Felix. See, now I'm actually the anomaly. I can
sit in some, my room for a week and be fine. Um, the two things that, uh, help me out, uh, whenever
it comes to anything work wise is one, obviously music, uh, always been driven by music and that can
keep me very upbeat for hell hours at a time. The other thing is kind of like a drive. You have to have
your reason as to why you are working so hard. It doesn't really matter where you are. If you have
enough of a reason, one of the reasons that I have is I want to be able to get my mom, her very own
house. She's only owned one and then it like fell through. And then I want to be able to give my
fiance a good life, all of those other types of things. Those are the most important things.
And it's the drive that really pushes you that end, uh, hard rock.
Yeah. As I mentioned earlier, it's a lot of, a lot of what we're doing is for other people. I,
I, I think that if I don't want to speak for everyone on the panel, but I think most of us,
if we just had to worry about ourselves, uh, if we've, um, based on the time we spend in this
industry, we'd probably just be fine. Um, just chilling and working part-time feel like
last thing that I want to say before, um, before I shut up is, um, I definitely agree with what Jake
says. Um, I can sit in my bedroom, um, for, for a couple of hours and, and, you know, go,
go at it with my work. But more importantly, I feel that I work much more efficiently when I'm
in a meeting with a friends, like, cause I have a couple of friends that, you know, chill in the
meeting and they, they, you know, they, they do their stuff as well. They work. Um, so I joined
them and I work as well. I feel like, I don't know, working with people to me works as well,
a lot more efficiently than working on my own. I mean, yes, I can definitely sit down on a space
with no one around me with nothing, uh, with no meeting with nothing and still work pretty well,
but I feel a little more, um, you know, a little more inclined with my work, a little more driven
with the work that I'm doing when I'm, uh, in a meeting with, with friends. So it depends on
everyone. And as well, there's also another thing that I, that I like to put my, put myself in is I
imagine myself being recorded by someone like, like, like it's a documentary. Imagine you are being
recorded constantly by someone, or especially when you're about to get to work, uh, and, and,
you know, go crazy with whatever you're doing. Imagine someone's recording you and just keep it
that way. Cause I feel like when people, when you, whenever you're on screen, you, you tend to do a
lot more whenever you're on a recorded spaces, for example, you, you tend to speak more intellectually,
you know, you tend to be more articulate, right? It's the same thing in real life. If you're being
recorded, you're going to, you're going to have to do things that doesn't disappoint.
So it just goes back to yourself, not disappointing yourself. So that's how, how I think about it is
like, you're being recorded. Do not disappoint yourself. Go at it, get it and work.
You are the main character of your movie. I couldn't have said it better if you like Jake,
go for it. Yeah, those are all some, uh, good points. I can say that, uh, bathroom breaks would
be a little awkward imagining that I was being recorded, but you know what, if it makes the work
better than it makes the work better. But, uh, I can definitely say that, uh, working around a group
of people definitely helps a lot. Whenever I was doing, uh, like marketing for East Denver and we
were over there just this, this, just this last event, uh, seeing my team and everybody that was
all around me, I just like, I needed to get them to pop off crazy. Next thing I know, uh, jobs where I'd
usually get somebody a few thousand followers in like a few days, I was able to get them 11,000 in just a
couple of weeks. And that was because of the support and all the people that were around me
and they didn't watch me go to the restroom. I can assure you. Well, besides maybe a couple, but
so guys, it's been a, well, we're about to close in on three hours. Again, it's been an incredible
space. We started with, with what success looks like in web three. We talked about what burnout
looks like, how to mitigate it, how to deal with it. And we also went on a tangent about what's
important, right? The reason most of us are doing this is for other people around this, people we
love. And we also talked about how to be productive with the time that we do have. We all want to build
great things. We all want to make this industry better and we want to move the needle mass adoption
forward. So thank you all for joining today. I know that Felix wants to give, uh, I don't know if you
have any closing thoughts, Felix, but he also wants to share one of his songs with us. We're
going to, we're going to finish that with the, with the banger by Felix and I'm looking forward
to hearing it. Thank you so much. I have nothing else to say. All I have to say is be on the lookout
for May 30th. That is it. Um, this is talking to the moon for, by Bruno Mars. This is a karaoke
track, just to be clear. And shout out to Raspi for making this happen.
I know you're somewhere out there. Somewhere far away. I want you back. Yeah. I want you back.
My neighbors think I'm crazy, but they don't understand. You're all I have. Yeah. You're all I have.
Having been on. At night. When the stars light up. My broon. I sit by myself talking to the moon.
Ooh, trying to get to you, in hopes you're on the other side, talking to me too, or am I a fool?
Who said, slowly, talking to the moon, oh, I'm feeling like I'm famous, the talk of the time, they say I've gone mad, yeah, I've gone mad.
But they don't know what I know, cause when the sun goes down, someone's talking back, yeah, they're talking back.
At night when the stars light up my room, I sit by myself, talking to the moon, trying to get to you.
Ooh, in hopes you're on the other side, and talking to me too, or am I a fool?
Who said, slowly, talking to the moon?
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Try to get to you
And hope you're on the other side
And talking to me too
Or am I a fool
Who said it's the Lord
Talking to the moon
I know you're somewhere out there
Somewhere far away
Hey, Felix, that was beautiful, man.
18 years old and already accomplishing so much.
You're a multi-talented individual, man.
Looking forward to seeing what you do in the future.
And thank you so much for closing out the space like that.
Beloved panelists, thank you so much for coming on.
It's been an incredible Twitter space
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So be safe out there, and we'll see you all on the next one.
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