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What in Tarnation?!
Recorded: March 26, 2025 Duration: 0:33:17Space Recording
Short Summary
The conversation primarily revolves around personal anecdotes, gaming experiences, and humorous exchanges, with no significant crypto-related content.
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You're still gray, yeah. You probably find it.
I was trying to find that one.
I don't even know what photo they used of me to make me look like that, but that's not me, number one.
Number two, it's like, okay, what the fuck?
Wow.
That's absurd.
I like the fact that a lot of people on X who don't know what it looked like, and maybe they've seen like some super old picture from like 2009 or something when I was like fat.
They're like, Ian Miles Chung is this morbidly obese guy who lives in a basement.
And like, okay. Do I look fucking morbidly obese? No.
They're fucking not, you know? It's like, Christ.
what are the obese guy who's just the fact that you know they know your but
ian at the end of the day they know you by your full middle and last name so it's like
yeah it's kind of just you know it's creepy yeah like i'd live in rent free you never asked for
it you know yeah yeah some people might say it's for real estate but like your brain is a dump
i don't live in them you know yeah okay exactly exactly
The other titty, is...
Well, it's...
Well, if you check the video...
Oh, so if you say, it's not...
I don't know how it's...
Oh, look how see those...
...cableness, dude.
Alright, I'm gonna have to turn on the console.
Yeah, I'm gonna film the console for you.
Yeah, do... do... do... do...
...so...
...so get a little...
...it's gonna get a...
...generer frames there, bro...
Um, also present.
Oh my man.
Study.
Super study.
I have a KBM switch.
You know nice.
I'm setting on my, well, I want to put my computer downstairs so I can use my VR headset down here with friends.
Yeah.
Dude, you've inspired me to be a gamer.
Hell yeah.
I haven't had, I haven't, I haven't, by the way, I haven't had like a good, like thorough
conversation about old video games in a long time.
That was great.
Because I, we spent so much, dude, we spent so much time growing up on these things.
Yeah, we did, yeah.
I mean, that's like my, literally my childhood, right?
I remember dropping up of school, which I did.
Drop them to the school to play Diablo, you know?
I actually went to school because of video games
because when I played The Legend of Zelda
A Link to the Past on the Super Nintendo
that was the game that actually got me into
wanting to make games as a kid
and then the original Plants v. Zombies
was the game that actually got me into coding
and then I finally got into wanting to go to school
for game development after that.
I replayed Link to the past many times.
Link to the past is so I can beat the entire game in like one minute 30 seconds.
It's insane.
Wow.
So you know the glitch to go into the thing.
Yep, you go into the castle and then you get hit and you jump off.
Yeah.
Every year or so I go back and play through the entire thing and not the glitch.
It's just a fun little party trick, you know, but it's such a good game.
It's such a study.
Turn on all lights.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jesus.
21 out of 24 lights, fun.
That's good.
Legend of Zelda is definitely, I think, probably my favorite game series.
It's so...
I don't know, it lets you use your imagination to solve a lot of puzzles.
There's a lot of lateral thinking in it, which I really love, and then the exploration is a lot of fun as well.
Like even the new ones, which you would think they would dumb it down or something, but in fact they make it more complicated in a puzzle, right?
There's like so many ways you can use your, you know, your skills in the magic that you get, right?
Just in the world, just completing the trines.
Oh, absolutely. I haven't even beat the last one.
But it's like it's completely out of, you know, like there's no, oh, you need to do it this way.
Because this is what the designers intended.
They're like, instead, it's like, here's a puzzle, just beat it however the fuck you want, right?
Yeah.
Exactly.
And it always amazes me when I see on like the Zelda Reddit or like some of these other.
uh, this is on Twitter.
And people are completing these shrines in a completely non-obvious way.
I remember seeing the maze puzzle in Breath of the Wild where they just completely flipped over the board where it was just flat.
And they was like, you know what?
I'm going to bypass the entire maze.
And I was like, wow, I didn't even know you could do that.
Wasn't even like that.
Yeah.
It's like, you know the story of the Gordian knot, right?
Alexander de Great, so the myth is that there's this knot, you have to untie it,
and the person unties the world, right?
This is this old Greek myth.
And so Alexander de Great shows up and you're like, okay, can you undo this knot?
He just takes a sword and cuts it half.
Yeah, boom, done.
And he goes to the world, right?
He fulfilled that prophecy.
Absolutely.
What a boss Alexander the Great was.
Yeah.
Great man.
I mean, right now, the closest thing happened is Elon Musk.
He was the one who pulled the sword out of the rock, right?
No, that's King Arthur.
No, that's different.
Alexander the Great is the guy who conquered the entire known world back in his day.
That's pretty good too.
He knew a lot of the philosophers in ancient Greece.
He was apparently a huge fan of Diage's.
He was, it's a super-studding.
Okay, here we go.
Okay, here's a good question for Ian.
Top five rulers of all global history right now.
All of global history, yeah.
I would have to say, okay, what would I go with?
Catherine the Great, from Russia.
You know, she, she saved Crimea from the white people of the people.
The Tatters, right?
Because the Tatters had invaded Crimea, she saved them,
and then she liberated most of, I would say liberated,
more like conquered most of Europe, even Poland at the time.
So she's one.
I won't say Ganges Khan, but maybe his son,
Ku Klok Khan, because he was one who basically took over
to the Silk Road.
He spread Chinese intelligence or Chinese science
across the world without, you know, his empire building skills,
the West would probably still not even have paper, right?
So there's that.
He was one of the great ones.
So wait, so it was, we said Ogaday?
Or who was it?
A Ku Klublai. Kuhblai Khan.
I just felt like,
K-B-L-A-I?
K-B-L-A-I.
Because Gensis-Cahn was a conquer.
It was his son who did things because his son was educated.
Gensius was uneducated.
He just like, you know, grew up in a yurt, right?
Whereas Kulai actually took value.
He's the one who talked to Marco Polo, by the way.
He was the one who let a lot of foreigners into the country.
Because they're not racist, right?
They just wanted to expand their empire.
All right, so that's, okay, so we got Kulai Khan as number two.
Are we going, maybe in no particular order?
All right, let's get one.
Yeah, no, it's kind of hard to make the comparison and stuff.
So three more.
Three more.
Alexander, for sure.
I mean, he died too young.
That is what, the 32, which is unfortunate.
But, yeah.
What do you have a bet he takes on Marcus Aurelius?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I haven't read enough.
I was going to read the book though.
I was going to read Stoic philosophy books.
You're not supposed to, by the way.
That book, you're not supposed to read it.
Really?
Yeah, because when he wrote, you know, reflections, right?
It was a diary.
You're not supposed to read it.
And his last, his dying wish was for no one to read that book because his personal thoughts.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so people read it anyway because like, you know, the people who are supposed to destroy the book,
they're supposed to like buried or burn it or something, they read it like, oh, I can't get rid of this.
This is brilliant, right?
So they published it.
I feel like if you want to get someone to really read a book though and get them excited about reading it, you tell me you can't read it.
I mean, it's definitely the reason why a lot of people read it, right, because they know they're not supposed to do.
But it kind of cool against story philosophy, though, you know, to violate something like that, because it's a dying wish, don't do it, right?
Yeah.
So by reading it, you're kind of proving that you're not capable of stoicism.
Right.
Yeah.
It's part of that logic.
Like, if you're reading all these books about stoicism, like, how stoic are you actually doing?
Like, no.
Exactly.
Or self-help or, you know, what's it?
What's that?
The thing called Rokhus Basilisk, right?
You know what a Rockw's Basilisk?
It's like this thought experiment, and it's a scary one.
It's the idea.
And by telling you this, I'm spreading Rockus Basilisk by the way.
I'm putting it into fruition.
So the thing about Rockus Badlisk is that imagine if there is an AI or an AGI one day, right?
And...
Anyone who does not participate in its creation or as opposed to its creation will suffer an eternity.
Like, they will just suffer for eternity, right?
And so anyone who supports its creation, whether they endorse it or they are building it themselves, they will be spared.
Eternal Horror.
So...
By knowing this thought alone, you are now poisoned.
You are essentially a victim of Rocco's basilisk.
So you may be viewing things one way or the other.
Do you either want to build it or you want to destroy it?
You're poisoned now, right?
You know about Rocker's Basilis and one day when the AGI gets built,
that's Rocco, you know, not Rocco, but there's a guy who came up with it.
But when this eye comes up.
At least what?
Yeah.
So like, you know, if you want to destroy it, then you're fucked.
You're forever fucked.
He's going to torture you forever.
But if you want to build it or you support it being built, this AGI, then you're spared.
Returnal torment.
Cooked up by Elyzer Eudkowski.
No, he was opposed to it. He was opposed to it.
There was a guy named Rocco on his forum, right?
I forget the name of the forum exactly.
This guy came up with it and was like, Yudkowski got so pissed off at it.
He was like, this is stupid. This is fucking dumb. I'm deleting it.
He literally deleted the post.
Because he thought it was too dangerous.
Yeah, it's EA shit, yeah, it is, yeah.
It's an EA shit, yeah.
But it's a great idea, I mean, like, so you either support the creation of AGI or you oppose it,
and if you oppose it, you're fucked forever now because of this thing.
You know, it's never been more dangerous.
What is it not so funny, like, every time you get older, you just wish you didn't know all this shit.
Yeah.
Yeah, and now you know it. I just poisoned you. Right? You know what? But the thing is, the thing is, like, you know, it's your curiosity, you know, it's not, I think real people who love the thing, right? People who are like intellectual, like, how could they, how could they ever really want to not be curious and learn more?
no matter how deep the dark hole goes
It just goes back to the original sin
Right
If you're not familiar Christianity
But the original sin is the sin of curiosity
Right
Eve took a bite from the apple
Or she made Adam
Eat the apple
But it was the apple
From the tree of knowledge
They didn't have to do that
Yeah.
So real.
But I mean, like, is that, does that mean sit on your ass?
And do the same thing.
I mean, that's the choice you make, right?
I mean, do you take the, you know, the poison apple or the tree of knowledge and just, like, corrupt yourself with knowledge?
Or you just stay ignorant?
I mean, I prefer, I'll eat the fucking apple.
I'll take it.
Right.
That's the thing.
Well, that's the problem because it's the, it's the, it's a self-perpetuating.
idea. But I think that like that's, I think one, I mean, you can call it Nilellism, but it's, it's natural chaos. Like, if you believe that chaos is a natural phenomenon, right? The expectation is that eventually one of those particles will hit the walls of it, so to speak. And yeah. And cause disruption. And yeah.
Yeah, the collision is inevitable, so you might as well be to want to do it, you know.
That's how I view things, that's how I view life.
I'm not saying, you know, someone is bound to kill this person on the highway, I'm just going to drive into him, yeah?
Yeah, the experience, yeah, like, it's so, uh, yeah.
Yeah, it's quite crazy, man. Everything that's going on is, it's been so great.
By the way, are you using rock a bunch?
Yeah, I use Grok all the time.
I installed chat GPT.
I canceled my script script screen to Claude.
They're just not as good at it.
They're just too many guardrails.
Yeah.
Yeah, so, okay, so you're running Rock.
And, like, as for tweets, though, right?
Like, how are you using it?
I'm super curious on...
this on how you're using it in regards to tweet stuff with like helping understand.
I like to do it like to summarize big threads that I want to read too much.
Yeah, it helps.
And I like that there's a rock button, but I was wondering if you had, if you were using any tricks that like integrate specifically that ones that like helped you surf Twitter.
Right?
I've had an issue, one of the issues I have with rock is like, I want it to be an enhanced
AI search for some of this stuff from certain accounts.
And it's kind of tough to do that.
Like it's still better to use the regular search filter.
To put it more sort, yeah.
Old tweets.
But you can find memes that you don't know what the name of is like, okay, here's an example.
You know the one tweet that's like a four-panel comic and it shows a guy in like a horror house and he's setting it up, right?
And in the final, like he set up all the monsters in the final panel, he, you know, he curls up in a ball and starts crying.
Like he basically scared himself, right?
So...
That's such a funny meme, but I didn't know the name of it.
I described it to Brock, and it literally told me what it was called,
and I was able to find it within that instant.
I just Googled that name, and I was like, oh, so that's what it's called.
Okay.
Right, right.
That's so useful for, like, kind of vaguely remembering something,
and then typing it in, and then it'll just instantly give it to you.
Or more things like you have a similar meme,
and I don't know what these memes are called, but I love them.
What do I search to find a bunch more of them?
Yeah, you just describe it.
Like, what do you call, like, deep-fried memes?
For example, if you don't know what they're called, right,
you don't know that they're called deep-fright memes,
you would, like, describe it as being, like,
highly JPEC artifacted to the point of being oversaturated.
So what's that called?
Exactly.
We'll tell you, yeah, it's a deep-fright meme.
Study.
Study.
Did I remember.
Are deep-fried memes still popular?
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's kind of crazy. I remember those being like super big in like 2017.
Yeah, I haven't seen them recently.
I haven't seen any of them recently, yeah, like they just disappeared.
It's like, I think they came from Hey Buddy retard from Reddit.
Yeah.
Makes sense.
Dude, I used to love their shit posting subs, but unfortunately, Reddits just gotten so not great.
Some of the very specialized subs are still pretty good.
But unfortunately, the like purely shit posting subs have their half-life has gotten shorter and shorter before they either become actually unironically, like racist and sexist and all that, and then it gets banned.
Or it becomes like super liberal and then you get banned for anything that was okay two, three weeks ago.
Yeah, right.
All of the main shitpost thing, like, you know, cringe anarchy, for example, that got banned.
And then the other cringe subreddits that popped up, they're all like taken over by these anti-Elon people.
And all you do see are like his tweets there.
Like that constitutes as cringe now.
It's like, okay, what, like, you guys are like so obsessed with Elon.
Everything is about him.
It's crazy. The flip on Elon from Reddit is something to be studied.
Because I remember just like two, three years, right before he bought Twitter, everybody loved him.
He was up there with like Keanu Reeves as the sacred images of Reddit that you couldn't desecrate.
He was up there with big freaking Chunkus, you know.
And now everybody hates Yves.
Right? He was a guest star in it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, shoot, he wasn't.
Yeah.
Like, there's an episode where they went to, I only know the clip.
I don't watch the show, but the clip is, they went to, the characters went to a homeless shelter and they wanted to volunteer.
Yeah, yeah, on Thanksgiving.
And Elon is there.
He's volunteering.
Yeah, he's like cleaning the dishes or something.
Yeah.
I remember that.
He was also a guest star multiple times on Rick and Morty as himself.
But it's Elon Tusk because they go to a dimension where he's like a pig man.
Oh, that's kind of funny.
I've seen Rick and Morty, but I've seen bits and pieces of Big Bang Theory.
So I knew that one.
It's like a bunch of stuff like that.
You know, he did cameos here and there.
But now he's like super.
Everybody fucking hates them.
which is retarded.
And, you know, they can...
I guess he has me to thank for that
because, like, all the posts that made
them hate him on Reddit
were, like, his replies to me.
Go right back.
I'm going to the store.
I'm going for a smoke, so I'll be right back.
Send me the clips right away on my phone
so I can look at them.
All right, Max, before you head out,
I got stuff set up to do
streaming on Twitter.
I figured out how to do that.
Oh my gosh, isn't it the worst?
Oh, it's so annoying.
The media, the whole media studio thing?
Oh, it's like, yo, actually, I have to, we have to have Ian, like, talk to Elon about that.
Because it's very, the broadcast on X is very hard.
Ian, if you can, can you tell Elon to try to fix the broadcast on X?
Because as a streamer, it's kind of difficult.
It's not difficult, it's just not as intuitive.
It's friction.
On the desktop.
On desktop.
Okay.
For like the broadcast studio.
I'll message the UI team and tell them to work on.
Yeah.
Oh, okay, perfect, perfect.
Ooh, that'd be great.
Yeah, because having something basically just like how Twitch does it would be so great,
where all you need to do is just go live to that stream URL with the stream key
and not have to mess with the broadcast stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah.
All right, perfect.
All right.
Attention to date.
Okay.
What are people doing tonight?
Hold on my gosh, I'm cooking on this edit.
Oh my gosh, I can't wait for you to see it stuff.
Oh, I cannot wait for it.
I'm super excited.
Okay, all right, I want to try Grok for that meme thing.
I'm trying to think, okay.
What are those memes like?
I'm going to think of an actual example of these memes first.
So who's that eating?
Gabe.
Oh, hi, nice to meet you, Gabe.
I'm Bryce.
Or, yeah, champie.
Oh, it's good, dude.
Yeah, we had a chef come through last night and check it up.
Oh, nice.
The last few bites.
It was that leftovers?
Dude, that steak looked so good last night.
Holy shit.
Attention today at Rib Eye, New York, Strip.
Faked a whole bird.
Zer was phenomenal.
It's still not a blogging day after.
Oh, Mom, Ma!
Nice.
I thought we were cooking all last night, like cooking up some trades, and then I came over here and then we had a chef.
This is also fine.
Yo, Max is hilarious, bro.
Max is so funny.
I brought my computer.
I was ready to lock him, and then.
Max.
He was just a chef.
It was just a chef and joined me.
Yo, that is so funny.
That is so... Max is so...
Max is so funny, bro.
He's...
He was a chef.
No, you really can't.
Like, you know you really can't.
Like, you know you really can't.
He's so funny.
The dude's hilarious, bro.
He's like...
He's like...
Yo, Max.
It's hilarious.
Oh my gosh, that was so funny.
Attention to day.
Explain.
So if, you know, if you paid any attention to day at all.
Crap.
What in tarnation?
That's really lacking in dining room.
That's so true.
I think Max's place would be perfect if he had like an extra maybe 50 or 60 square feet in that back of right where you walk in where there's behind that rice paper shade or whatever so that you could put a table.
Yeah, you have a more of a homie spot.
Attention to today, Edel.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Oh, yeah, for sure.
Oh, yeah, for sure.
How are that, you're doing?
I'm gonna, I guess.
How much?
One more.
Today, he's out of down, though.
Whoa.
We didn't have a live button
sign going up there.
Hey, Edel,
some blake-coded live sign.
Yeah, for sure. We need like an on air with a cowboy hat sign.
Oh, yeah, that'd be great.
Especially because Max likes to start streams just like, not really surreptitiously, but without letting people know.
So that people don't actually know they're just yapping.
And then all of a sudden we look, it's like, oh, are we live?
Oh, okay.
And so nobody actually knows that we don't pay attention to the chat.
We don't pay attention to anything until we're alerted.
For reading the chat, the putt-m
Kareem
So, that are in the schools
public as the same as the same
Those bitches seem like
Pooke
I want to see the texture of Galangah
Is this your scene
Hey back
No scope
A scope
A coppe
A couple of a
I'm going to do
I was supposed to leave
Oh what's shit
To do you
No scope
A no can go so
I'm currently locked in.
What you're working on stuff?
I'm getting set up to do stuff on X.
You're streaming on X.
Once we transition to gamer time and play a little bit of Team Fortress too with Stil Grey and some fatty tuna.
That would be absolutely killer, I think.
Oh, boy, no, desintegrate with a little bit more
If I figure out this trend of this effect, it's kicking my ass
Also got, uh, some illustrations cooking here that I think are going to be
Really sick, but I need a couple more days on them
And a nice little scene of everybody in the saloon
Oh, do we have those, uh, let's see
Eddie
Eddie
Eddie
Eddie
I'm back
Welcome back
Thanks
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What in tarnation...
What in tarnation actually.
What in tarnation?
Let me see where this goes to.
Oh, hey, I recognize this play.
Yeah, that's...
That's not great at all, actually.
...the explore tab.
That is not at all great
Vegetables?
Vegetables as well?
Vegetables as well?
Yeah, I'm supposed to boil them or roast them, saute them, but you just need like rock cauliflower, broccoli.
When you, when you, you got to develop...
Oh, I'm...
I'm talking like lettuce and spin, well I guess you do cook down spinach and stuff.
I got a bunch of butterhead lettuce and bok choy cooking up on my hydroponic system.
Very excited to do some stir fry with that in a little bit.
I watch a really funny YouTube channel where it's like Van Life in East London.
And life in East London.
Yeah, he lives in a van, and he's super sarcastic.
He's always ranting about landlords, but he's like, you know, my goal is to save enough money so I can buy a house and then rent it out.
Wow. I love those kinds of people. That's so funny.
He's a bit of, like, what do you call it?
Who's the guy that lives in a van down by the river? Chris Farley.
Yeah. He talks about how, you know...
Van life is great because he gets to save money and buy Le Cucet, uh, pots and pans.
But his van isn't big enough to fit an oven, so he wants a place.
And he's just showing off his whole collection of Lecosei.
And he's like, that's thousands of dollars, my dude.
It's like right now you can't even use it.
You can't do anything.
Priorities are everywhere.
Yep.
That is super, super hilarious.
So silly.
Indeed.
Yeah.
All right, Max, you got your stuff set up here?
Are you not even here yet?
No, I'm not up.
He was setting up his computer.
All right.
We can do a little bit of Team Fortress here.
Mm-hmm.
We look morbidly obese.
I mean, you look like you might have been, like, five, ten years ago.
Yeah, ten years ago, yeah.
I was, too.
Oh, my gosh.
When I was in college, I was just way, way fat.
Mm-hmm.
And then, like, my, the first day of my junior year of college, I looked at myself and I was like, I'm kind of tired of doing all this.
So I'm just going to get my life in order.
Yep.
There's the best decision I ever made.
Six months ago.
I couldn't tell.
You know, that's...
Jaro, what incarnation is even that?
It's like an Olympic, but better.
Oh, interesting.
So Zempeg has like one thing that it does.
It's like a single phase or whatever.
It basically makes you not hungry, right?
It makes you full.
This works both ways because it actually affects your like psychology and makes you not even think of eating food.
Oh, it's a it's a glucagon like peptide, interesting.
Yeah.
Okay, that makes sense actually.
Yeah.
I find it interesting that a lot of these type 2 diabetes drugs are being used off-label for
