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What’s Next for Humans in an AI Future? (REDUX II)
Recorded: June 6, 2025 Duration: 0:46:49Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic discussion on the future of AI, speakers explored the rapid evolution of technology, its implications for white-collar jobs, and the importance of ethical considerations in AI development. The conversation highlighted emerging trends in the crypto space, emphasizing the need for partnerships and safeguards as the industry navigates these changes.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Sorry, everyone.
Technical difficulties today.
Okay.
Third time's a charm, we hope.
Testing, testing. testing okay I can see
okay we'll see
see how long this one goes for guys
thank you so much for finding us again
it's uh
yeah more rugs than an influencer
at this point this is crazy
crazy work
I have to put this down to Elon and his slightly aggressive takes on the timeline yesterday.
I wonder if X is just getting super, super amounts of traffic as people wonder what Elon's going to say today.
And maybe that's just making it a little harder to get through his spaces.
Look, for the listeners, thank you so much for finding us again.
This is Take Free. So let's get the likes and retweets out of the room. for our spaces look for the listeners thank you so much for finding us again this is take free so
let's get the likes and retweets out of the room if you would not mind showing a little support
little extra support today as well we'll go a long way because yeah yeah sometimes x just be
bugging and that is definitely what's happening right now so we've got some banger guest speakers
who i did introduce the last time but i'm going to do it again we've got paula community and
break sorry community dad and
brave back community maybe i just did i just read spanish without realizing that that would be cool
and mark t also with us today founder of build vertical building no code tools giving you
freedom to harness the true powers of ai models we've got godson with us the 2015 og bot and
options trader also part of that and basic attention token and look
we got a bunch of other guest speakers who are going to jump up and we've got jenny as always
on the main account giving us all the support and hopefully getting us through a show uh fingers
crossed that this one doesn't bug as well um look guys really really fun conversation today what's
next for humans in an AI future?
If this show and how difficult it has been to get this one going,
is anything to go by?
AI doesn't want us to have this conversation.
I feel like we're definitely being attacked here.
Maybe Grok is a little concerned about what we're going to say on the show today.
Or maybe it's the opposite.
Who knows?
To begin with, though, we've got a couple of other speakers who are going to hop up.
We've got, I think, let me just pin to the main page all of our guest speakers today.
Oh, I can hear that little tune as I went to pin this up. Okay, we've got Flagship and we've also got Vertical AI and Agently with us today
alongside Jenny, Basic Attention Token, Main Account,
and all our amazing guest speakers who speak all the time
with bat so hopefully we'll get this one running very very soon we've got flagship back as well
today oh i'm getting a little error message here when i'm trying to oh okay let's just move on if
it does rug again guys we'll see what to do um but we probably should just dive straight into it and
get through as much of this as we can in the meantime um look really really fun show for everyone today let's
jump in so we're talking what's next for humans in an ai future everyone's already shown the support
love to see all the speakers back in here all the listeners who found us for the fair time as well
you guys are the real mbps i think opening question to the speaker panel and if you've not
been on a show with myself before um then there is a quick update for you basically if you want
the mic just get the hand up in the air we'll get the mic straight over to you really is that simple
uh hand function is next there we go paul a demo in it for me hand function is right next
to the comment section at the bottom right handhand corner of your screen. Also give you a little demo there.
Realize that works really well with my golden thug because it looks like it's actually his little hand or her little hand.
I'm not sure.
I don't know if thugs actually have genders.
Anyway, let's jump in.
Opening question for our panel.
As AI continues to evolve, what do you think is the most immediate challenge humans need to address in adapting to
this future paula i'm hoping that hand was raised not just because you wanted those jack points
early but because you got a take on this one as well mike over to you both things of course i want
the jack points and i hope x doesn't rug in the middle of my answer um but yeah, I feel like this is a very, very important topic to discuss. And in my opinion,
one of the biggest challenges is figuring out how to use AI without losing our human value.
Like, I feel like AI is moving so fast, and I still can't believe the amount of things it does.
And it's natural that we want to keep up with you know
the latest trends and be updated with everything and like once you hear something um I mean someone
trying something new you like immediately want to do the same and now more than ever with you know
the influence of social media especially on TikTok Like, I've seen so many videos with effects or
filters made with AI. And of course, I tried them. And, you know, I realized how cool it is.
You also see like reviews, reviews or people explaining how, you know, AI can fix everything
for you. Like students now use AI for everything, as long as it's possible.
And it's so tempting. And, you know, I'm a student right now. So, you know, I know what I'm,
I know what I'm saying. It's so, so tempting. Like, I haven't met someone that voluntarily
rejects the use of AI for something, no matter how insignificant it can be. But I feel like the
real issue begins when we, you know, we let that take over our daily life. And I love Chajipiti
and Leo, of course, which is Brave's AI assistant. Try it. But I love AI. I feel like, I think it's amazing how people are developing it and,
you know, making it so real. At some point, it's scary, but still, it's amazing. You can do so many
things with it, and it's just easier. I recently got a puppy, and it has been extremely helpful,
especially because, you know, it searches the web and it provides, it provides information based on different, like trust, trustful resources, which saves so many,
I mean, so much time. And I mean, it's perfect to optimize processes of your daily lives,
which is, you know, the main idea of AI. But what I don't approve is that,
is the fact that some people use it to make important decisions
or things related to our human, you know, human connection.
Because those things are a part of us as humans and we can't.
We just can't let machines take that away from us,
in my opinion.
And honestly, that kind of freaks me out,
just thinking what's going to happen to us
if we lose our value
because AI make things better than us
and takes control over everything.
So I feel like we must learn how to use AI as a tool,
not as a replacement.
AI can help us with so many things, but that's it.
It helps us, and that's it.
If we don't stop it now, I feel like we'll eventually become even lazier,
because we already are, honestly, but we still have so much creativity.
And I feel like it's a shame if we lose that.
And we are so valuable and we need to focus on that.
And of course, education is a big part of it too.
We are not going to stop using AI.
AI and like even teachers now know that my mom is a university professor and she told me that they
And even teachers now know that.
have been getting like trainings on how to teach students to use AI correctly and how it can be a
great tool but again we have to be the ones in control and remember that AI is just a tool for us.
Now Paul I couldn't agree more i love the taking
love being back on the show with you guys i think for me you've got it dead on it it's like that
that pull to being lazy which we don't need any help with like we don't need as a race a human
race we do not need any more hey here let's make this easier for you right now i i just
i'm picturing wall-e if you've seen the movie where like there's just a little okay a lot
overweight little animated humans that basically just don't even need to think about what food
they're gonna eat and they just sit on these hovery chairs and basically it's it's quite
dystopian um in a way and it but it's like very disney and colorful so it's super weird um but it is it's
that future that i think a lot of us are concerned with like ai just wants to be helpful as much as
possible but the hope is that it has a level of agency of itself to know that helpful doesn't mean
doing everything for someone it means getting the most
out of somebody and i think that's going to be the big distinguishing factor between projects
and ai protocols that are going to make it and the ones that actually in the long term are either
going to just get regulated to high hell because nobody wants that future or realistically hopefully even people
realize they don't want it from like a user perspective so yeah big big take to start off
the show any of our other speakers any of our experts want to come in do get their hand up in
the air as we keep going through the questions right now i saw flagship with a lot of emojis
so maybe just get the mic over to you guys nice and early would love to hear your thoughts on this
idea of like what what are the main challenges like the immediate challenges that you feel we're going to face
when it comes to adapting to a future that's ran with ai oh that's a big question and i i i i'm not
sure if i can speak for the audience but i i've noticed it with my friends i uh i i've had a i've
i've had quite a few existential crisis over the
past couple years ever since uh ever since ai came out because it starts with a lot of us here i think
we work in the in the knowledge economy right so our work but also part of our identity is based on
on our knowledge and our intelligence and skills that we build up over time and all of a sudden
seeing this technology just rising so quickly,
it was like, okay, there, there's my edge.
Like there's something I've been building up.
Like there goes all the books that I've read to make myself more valuable and
to find an edge for myself and carve it out.
All of a sudden there's a system that can read every book on earth and give
you exactly on which page, which date was there.
You know, it's, it's, it's sort of, so yeah, I think that the, I think,
I wonder how many people have gone to this existential crisis.
Cause I think you kind of have to, like you do have to go through it.
It's, it's, it's a little bit painful,
but you have to understand that we're on the precipice of something very,
very major.
And we do have inertia, which is this,
this common phenomenon that we keep doing
the things we are already doing, even though there's a better way to do it already. So
I do think it will be more gradual than, because if you look at the technology itself, you'd
expect it to be very fast. But then if you look at inertia in our society and people
work, it will likely be slower. But if i look at it straight up like the the one
thing that i'm just really concerned about um in general that it's just going to be because it's
going to be so disruptive to our system is what's going to happen to all the white collar jobs
because a lot of it is gonna disappear and it seems like it should disappear in a very short
time but then again we don't know because of
inertia and we don't like i feel like a lot of people are seeing this coming so humanity has
this beautiful trait of adapting during a new trend already adapting to the new trend and then
if everybody's talking about something it won't happen like it's always the black swans that
really impact society and this is so in the global awareness that maybe we're already moving and adapting to to this new reality but i'm not
entirely sure yeah that's a great take and again i don't know where obviously none of us do otherwise
um well yeah otherwise we wouldn't be on this show right now and we probably would be trying to build for exactly that um outcome but i i think the big
big thing for me is white collar jobs or these jobs that you know people seem to be either
fear-mongering about losing or genuinely just concerned about losing i wonder how many people
actually like those jobs you know i i wonder how much purpose some of these roles do give people and i i don't disagree
that there is definitely people out there who do love those jobs but i've i've done white collar
i've done a lot of it and i've been in that world a lot and i can't say that me moving to this space
has been a leg down it's definitely been something that's changed my
life for the better. And I sort of have this feeling that there are a lot of people doing
that job, that they actually would probably rather be doing something else. And I do wonder in the
long term, if the solution is, yeah, just give more resources to those who want to do it and give other opportunities
for that group of people who probably yeah are just doing it because they need to make a living
like i wonder how big of a percentage of that group is well i think like i think you're absolutely
right and i think it ultimately boils down to purpose right whether it's the wrong or right
purpose a lot of people find purpose in social status and hierarchy and,
and getting material things.
So I think that,
that,
that indeed a lot of people seem to not really like their jobs.
We just do it because they have to do it.
And for different carrots and external,
like extrinsic motivation.
So it could be that we all just like,
like I haven't thinking, i talk about this with a friend
of mine all the time and we kind of settle on either you're going to have dystopia or you're
going to have some sort of communist agi utopia like that's sort of the fork we're seeing
and maybe we end up like where the world becomes one big festival and we all become artists and
storytellers like that that could very well
be and as long as people have purpose it'll be fine i guess yeah i saw a stat and i can't remember
the exact figures i'll try and find them during the show but it was over 50 i remember that stat
over 50 of americans would quit their job tomorrow if they could go full-time as a content creator in the things they're passionate
about something like crazy figure now obviously we've got americans on the show we've got americans
probably in the audience who didn't answer that quiz so i don't know how many people actually that
was polled to get that figure maybe it was a hundred but like whatever the figure was like
there is absolutely crazy to think of like, yeah,
there's so many people who would rather be doing something else.
And I do think there is a hopefully brighter version of that future where that's exactly
what it does.
You know, it takes the roles that people don't want.
It highlights the people who do want them and helps them get the most out of it without
having to drag along all these people who just want to be doing something else with their lives and just cannot right now. So great, great start to the conversation.
We're 30 minutes in. So for our listeners, if you are enjoying this one, likes, retweets,
all the good stuff to get this one out. We did have a couple of technical issues at the start
of the show. So it'd be really, really appreciated if we can get a couple more people in here as we
continue through the conversation right now. I guess organically, the next follow-up to this would be what roles or skills will remain uniquely human.
So Jenny, maybe throw the mic over to you here. I love that the hand raises up for those jack
points, just as I said, your name. How can we make sure those roles are nurtured rather than
replaced when it comes to roles that remain uniquely human?
Yeah, you know me, Jack. I'm always gunning for those Jack points. Well, first of all,
oh my gosh, I feel like there's so much that I could comment on the previous question,
but I know that we're already halfway through the space, so I'm going to keep it rolling.
Okay, so what roles or skills will remain uniquely human?
Honestly, honestly, I'm not sure that any specific skill or set of skills is truly safe, sadly.
I mean, you know, AI can already tell great stories.
tell great stories. It can simulate empathy. It can, you know, it can simulate emotional nuance.
It can simulate empathy.
It can make moral calculations. And I suspect that super intelligent AI, which is sort of where
we're trending, could eventually emulate the so-called messiness of being human,
our flaws and our contradictions and our inconsistencies,
if it wanted to. So then even the rawness of being a human, you know, might lose its value.
But I don't know, maybe the value of being human won't lie in what we do, but sort of like where
what we do comes from, if that makes sense. Like, I keep thinking about, like, okay, imagine a perfect one-to-one reproduction of a Picasso painting.
Like, same brushstrokes, same paint, visually indistinguishable from the original work,
for all intents and purposes, like,-to-one mirror represents like reproduction.
What still makes the original more valuable?
Well, I think it's simply the fact that it was made by the hands of Pablo Picasso.
So, yeah, I don't know.
I struggle with this question.
But maybe what remains uniquely human is like the origin story,
like something that was made by someone who's lived, someone who's felt joy, someone who's
felt pain, boredom, love, uncertainty, all those things.
Like maybe our value will come less from the output, but again, from where it came from,
from who it came from.
I'm also, in thinking about this, I, you know,
earlier I was reminded of Thomas Nagel's famous thought experiment, what is it like to be a bat?
And some of you may remember this from your introduction to philosophy classes.
But Nagel's argument was basically that even if we knew everything about a bat's brain,
like the animal bat, not the token, you know, if we understood its sonar system perfectly, its behavior, we still wouldn't know what it's like to be a bat because consciousness is inherently subjective.
So in that same way, AI might be able to mimic what it's like to be human, but it doesn't have a first person perspective.
It doesn't long for anything. It doesn't fear death. It doesn't know what it's like to lose something
it cares about. So yeah, I mean, I'm struggling to like put all my thoughts together in a cohesive
way, but maybe what remains uniquely human isn't the task, but the experience behind it.
Maybe what remains uniquely human isn't the task, but the experience behind it.
And maybe that's what we'll continue to value, even if AI ends up outperforming us at pretty much everything else.
Yeah, I heavy, heavy agree with this one.
I think, look, there's certain experiences that just can't be replicated.
I think real world application and living is, you know, like literally food recommendations,
but even digitally, like I don't really care about an AI's recommendation for a movie
per se. Like, you know, I'm just, that's not for me. I can't ever see me asking something that
can't experience something in the same way a human can. What should I do with my time?
And I think that is just going to continue to grow.
I think with how remote the world is getting,
there definitely will be a pushback from that as well,
which will be a bit more anti-AI and more like we need human experience.
So yeah, really, really do agree with that take.
I think that's a great one.
The Picasso one as well.
I think just humans wanting to experience stuff made by humans is is definitely going to be a
thing you know it's it's very much creativity is through a human being doing something that
no other human being has done before if it's an ai that does it i just i can't see that having the
same impact to people i think it
will get very like it'll become a novelty really really fast and mark i'll throw the mic over to
you on this one oh sorry jenny do you want to come back in yeah i i wanted to say like i i agree with
you jack and i um i i also just want to add that like yeah we we i think like there's evidence that
we care about like the origins of things you know if that
makes sense because like if you look at say nfts too like that's a more recent example uh you know
people are like oh why why should i care about an nft i could just like you know right click save
this image but we care about like the origins of who or what created that thing and uh you know
like who the artist that created that thing is uh you know like who the artist that created
that thing is or like the story behind that artist or whatever um so yeah so I think like there's
there's there's grounds for like us still valuing like the origins of human work I'm not articulating
well but I think you get I think you catch my drift oh no no you're articulating perfectly get out your head there jenny it's there's a banger take um but like it is it is something that is very difficult to put into words
because it's so abstract right now we're not going to know until we see it really and i i think
it's hard for us to even be able to comprehend the experience because even that is so new.
And I wonder where this all goes.
I do.
I wonder.
I've seen like skits on short form about, you know, somebody going to a cinema and being like, okay, I want to see a movie, please.
And like, oh, okay.
Do you want a movie made movie?
Sorry, do you want a human made movie or an AI movie?
And like, oh, what's the difference?
Oh, the AI movie is like two books books but the human movie is a thousand uh wait what why it was well
ai got really good at making movies so there was less people to do it which meant that everything
costs more because there's like the resources much more it's really funny to like watch that
experience but then realistically you're sat there knowing that the person, if the cost was the same, would definitely want to go see the human
movie. And you just have that like reaction that is just almost like a visceral gut reaction to a
lot of that. As soon as you hear AI made it or was involved in it, it feels cheaper for an extent.
And obviously it depends. i think you know support
as opposed to made is a big big key differentiator here um because supporting in making it that's
that i don't think anyone's got a problem with but they want to know there's a human behind
some elements of that product who has the final say and i don't think that's ever going to change
mark i'll throw the mic over to you here would love to hear your thoughts are there any specific skills that you think are like going or roles
even that you think are definitely going to remain human um and regardless of that fact
like how do we keep some roles for ourselves the ones that we would like to keep doing as humans
uh well the funny thing right because if you go back maybe i don't know 600 700 years ago
um 90 of the whole society was basically a farmer right so we made a major shift like through
uh the past 600 years of going from most people on farms and then now most people working in offices
because i'm not sure if that statistic is right but as we could say that the majority of people
now work in an office or at a desk behind a computer and ai has the potential to again
disrupt this same movement like we've experienced from majority on the farms,
now majority behind the computer, and soon the majority doing something completely else, right?
So that's a little bit the impact AI actually has on society. It can completely disrupt disrupt so many white collar jobs that most people are currently doing that I'm not really
sure if we know where we are going and maybe we're going all back to farms right maybe we can
all just buy a house with a piece of land and we can start growing our own vegetables again
while AI is taking care of all the you you know, administrative and all the laws and all the
whatever, you know, all the knowledge parts of society. And we can just focus on being human
again, because I mean, the whole society currently where we are living in is all man-made. I mean,
this is not what nature per se intended for us. I'm not saying that it's bad. I mean, it's insane what humanity has managed
to accomplish. But maybe this was all a buildup towards creating artificial intelligence to take
over all the, you know, the boring, standard and repetitive jobs so we can go back to what matters
most. And that is socializing with each other, connecting with each other, you know, going back into nature, taking care of, you know, our nature. Maybe we finally have
the time to really focus on restoring forests and restoring just natural habitats for other animals
because we are not so occupied anymore in our nine to five jobs. I mean, it's going to be completely different.
And AI is going to play a big role in it. The only thing that we need to make sure is that we don't
become dependent. I think that was a point that Paula made in the beginning, which I fully agree,
is that, you know, use it as a tool. It's going to make things super efficient if you use it as
a tool, but don't become dependent. I was sitting in my garden yesterday. We actually lost a foster dog here in our commune where we live.
And my neighbor actually had a picture of a few dogs. And instead of just looking at the picture
herself and seeing if one of the dogs was the last dog, she uploaded it to ChatGPT and said,
hey, is this the same dog?
And I was like, that's the most laziest thing
I've ever heard a human do in AI.
You actually evolved to got super hyper vision
with your eyes to recognize it yourself.
And now you're asking an AI model to do it for you.
So making sure that we don't get lost
in the dependencies and the
conveniences that ai can do for us try to keep our critical thinking alive and you know give things
out of hand start focusing on connecting with people in real life again if if ai opens up that
door for you yeah great take mark it it really interesting. Almost everyone's at consensus so far that AI
is going to be able to support wherever we would like it to support. And then it's almost like a
humanitarian twist, or like at least a self-value twist of like, okay, but what gives people
purpose and value? And how do we maneuver that way maybe a little bit further because it's definitely doesn't exist
right now i think there's more people who dislike what they do most of the time as in eight hours a
day 40 hours a week like then there are that people who enjoy it so um yeah yeah i don't
necessarily think all this this fear is necessarily a bad thing right now well i do have a funny take on
that because i think that most people think they not like what they're doing and that they're
complaining about their nine-to-five job but a lot of humans they are not used to having the
responsibility in filling up their 100 of their time by themselves right trust me i've seen people
around me that quit their jobs in the hope of like okay i'm now financially independent right
they saved up some money and now they have 24 hours in a day that they need to completely decide
themselves without anyone you know deciding for them what they should do most people that i see
around me that do that they get lost and end up you know getting a job what they should do most people that i see around me that do that
they get lost and end up you know getting a job again maybe not the same job a different job which
is a little bit more easier but i think that most people think they don't like what they do but they
actually love the fact that other people are creating structure for them and you know and
this is maybe an ability that we lost as humanity as a whole and maybe
that's the difference between an entrepreneur who's able to create an idea and you know use
his hours effectively for himself without anybody creating structure for him but i think 80 to 90
percent of people actually like that structure even if they say they don't. Yeah, I would semi-agree with that take.
I think there's definitely,
you know, I actually experienced it myself during COVID.
There is definitely too much free time
for people who, you know, like go cold turkey
on being responsible for all of their time.
I would agree with that.
I would hope that AI can reformulate that
into spending more of that time doing the stuff
that gives you purpose as an individual because of its just massive ability to you know use and
understand people and have that compute to actually understand people on an individual level that we've
just never had before as a society but yeah i definitely love that take mark i think that's
great perspective and godson i've got a question for you next and then we'll try and bring in agently who've managed
to join us on the show absolutely love to see it it basically a complete consensus on the fact that
ai can do whatever we think we want it to do in a world where it does exactly that and it handles
everything from creative tasks to decision making how do human beings
redefine human value like how do we still find purpose and value within ourselves
thank you thank you um i need to this is like a question that needs to like some like a very deep
uh explanation so i'll tell you i'll tell you a story I was born into the Anglican Church right in fact you
know my name Godson comes from when you're you know in the Anglican Church
when you get baptized you have to pick a Christian name and it has to be
Anglicized so that's how I got the name and I was a Christian for like most of
my life until I went to the uk and it
it turned out to be a very like secular society and i and i became an atheist but then i had this
like problem where i couldn't quite answer that question like what is it that makes a human being
valuable right because we live we live in a know, a capitalistic society, right?
So everybody's worth is somehow inherently tied to, you know, how much capital they can, you know,
generate. You know, if you're poor, then it's, you know, how much work can you do per hour?
If you're rich, then it's, you know, how much did you inherit? Or, you know know how much capital do you hold right but this is not a good system right
we we have to come to a consensus on what it is that makes a human being uniquely valuable right
because you know i mean you know today i may not have a lot of capital but you know who knows
tomorrow i might win the lottery right or you know what if i have like a billion dollars but then you know i i have a
a habit and i and i you know gamble away or something we have to like you know agree that
a human being is uniquely and infinitely um valuable just because uh a person could be you
know a person could be worth one thing you know know, today, but then in a whole different environment is worth a lot more, right?
They can create a lot more.
They can, you know, sing or do math or be a great athlete.
But then in another time or environment, maybe not even in their lifetime, but in the lifetime of their offspring, their life experiences
generate value in people.
So you have to come to this consensus
and just agree that
people are uniquely
and infinitely valuable.
They're almost divine,
if you may.
Not to make it too theological, but I think the Christians are right when they say, like, we're all made in the image of something divine.
So it's just that understanding that you have, that a person isn't, the value of a human being isn't based on, you know, what the market is paying for them right now right
a person is just naturally uh infinitely valuable dude i absolutely love that i will that caught me
a little bit off guard um but like genuinely what what a really well considered taken yeah yeah
you're completely right i think capital world right now capitalistic world right now, that understanding of value.
Look, I've been in some rooms with some very wealthy people, not always people I would consider good people, you know, and vice versa as well.
You know, I've been in some rooms with people who are going through some rough times right now.
And I just think they're some of the best people on earth and it definitely isn't correlated there are some very wealthy people who are
absolutely fantastic human beings as well but it sort of proves the point that it definitely isn't
the defining factor and it definitely isn't a good data point to try and figure out who someone's
worth is um look fantastic conversation we've managed to have today even though the show did
run a little late and x was bugging a little bit at the start. So massive shout out to our speakers.
See, Agently has hopped up. Agently AI Solutions, your AI solution hub, turning AI into infrastructure
deployable in minutes measurable from day one. I'd love to throw my final question over to you
and then maybe to a couple of the speakers, depending on timeframe, looking ahead. And I would hope I would know the answer to this question
from reading your bio, but we'll see. Looking ahead, do you feel more optimistic or concerned
or both about humanity in this next chapter of AI? I mean, thanks for having us. Apologies for
being late. You know, sometimes things happen but yeah i've
been listening to you guys and uh abundance of opinions right here i mean i had a lot of
opinions i'd love to share about the previous questions but uh for this one i am kind of both
concerned and optimistic i've always been concerned for humanity regardless of whether ai is the case or not. But in any case, AI within itself is a neutral technology.
It's just like a placeholder for a lot of different people
that they can fulfill different things.
But before even people can even think about AI as solutions
for their issues, they have to signify what issues they have to begin with.
And that's always a hard task for anyone to really uh come by because
there's a saying which says basically solving the problem is is actually finding that you have one
to begin with and in our experiences when we're working with our clients with our customers and
even with partners and and potential co-branding deals we find that most people don't even really question what inefficiencies they have
within their lives whether that's a question of value or a question of or in a business or a
question within a relationship doesn't really matter most of the time it's always the consequence
that defines the problem and not the proactivity of okay i have a problem let me let me find a
solution to really fix it and that really just boils down to how we really think uh especially that we're pretty much uh
involved in our day-to-day lives rather than really questioning what we can improve
and usually people who are a bit younger have that within them because they have more time
to ponder and think but once you're in a job once you're in a family etc you don't really find out about find out about your problems until after they've caused a consequence that now you can really
reflect on as for ai within itself and i think this will really cover some of the questions you
guys already asked beforehand um it can never really do much the question of the human experience
the question of human value the question of what am I going to do in my life,
what's fulfillment, et cetera,
has always been unanswered throughout all our history.
So AI is not going to really do much
to really answer that question.
It's internal completely.
It's not really external to a fact.
So what AI can possibly do,
if humans can use it right,
is by actually making it an active member of your business an active
member of your ecosystem allowing it to boost your creativity cannot replace anyone i mean
i would be the first to say if it would but it can't because it's not sentient or at least it's
not sentient yet and what that means is that it cannot make its own decisions uh i don't mean
like smaller decisions where you have an agentic team but in terms of the direction it needs to take in terms of uh what information is being consumed in
order for it to output uh its uh its product it's always taking something in from you and
if you're if you're not efficient if you're not good at what you do if you're if you don't know
what fulfills you it cannot give you that answer it only can amplify you so i think uh you heard this quote
before but money can only amplify the person it doesn't really change them and ai is exactly the
same because it's another paradigm of how uh you can increase your efficiency you can increase your
footprint and potentially make more money or save more money in terms of labor uh so yeah i would
always be both optimistic and realistic about the human experience however with ai without ai the
human experience is an enigma on its own and it's people have been trying to answer it for thousands
of years and a lot of different people came into a lot of different conclusions but as we evolve
so do our mindsets so there's always an
unanswered question that we need to answer tomorrow what a great great final take from
our guest speakers today an absolutely massive shout out to all you guys but a gently thank you
so much for hopping up thank you for flagship thank you to all of our guest speakers today
and what a fun show it has been um jenny i think we're basically
coming to time so i'd love to throw the mic over to you get your take on how you're feeling about
you know the naai world and human beings living within it optimistic or concerned and then please
do feel free to give us any updates or any milestones fromAT about what you guys are cooking up next? Sure. Thanks, Jack.
I would say that I'm somewhat optimistic
because humans have always adapted.
And often it's in moments of profound disruption
that we become the most creative.
But on the other hand, I'm also very deeply concerned. I feel like if we don't
take the time to slow down and reflect and employ the right safeguards while we continue to develop
AI at the rapid pace that it's currently being developed, we risk building a future where we make ourselves obsolete by creating
an intelligence that surpasses us in every way and where we therefore forfeit the ability to call the
shots. That really scares me. And zooming out, you know, the earth is over 4 billion years old. Like, there have been entire species,
perhaps even entire civilizations,
that have risen and vanished without leaving a trace.
Like, they're so far wiped out
that nothing of their existence even remains for us to study today.
Dinosaurs came and went,
and I think that it would be hubris,
though fittingly human, to assume that we are exempt from that cycle.
So I don't know.
There's like this sense in me, and I hope that I'm wrong, but that the advent of AI kind of marks like the next chapter of life on Earth.
earth and like maybe we're part of that too or like maybe we're in the middle of unknowingly
And like maybe we're part of that too.
writing our own extinction event i know that's a really bad note to end on maybe someone else
maybe someone else now i think we we we just dropped that bombshell it's like um oh what is
that film?
Oh, man, I watched it the other week.
It's a really well-known film,
but I don't want to give out the ending,
so maybe I won't even mention the name of it.
But essentially, it's like this guy who is just criminally insane,
and he's going out and trying to basically hunt
this group of people.
And basically, the whole film, you're like,
I can't
wait for this guy to get his comeuppance and it just ends you're like basically he gets everyone
and it just like the film ends and it's just like chaos ensues and you're sat there like what have
i just watched i can't believe that like film exists it's um a very very good film i'll find
the name and give you guys the the name after the show if anyone's interested but if i name it right
now no one's gonna to go watch it.
No, Jenny, look, you're not entirely wrong. And I don't think it's like it's a too big a concern
for anyone on this planet right now.
That was one thing I would say.
You know, we're here.
We're not going anywhere right this second.
Whether people evolve and the technology evolves longer term,
I would be very interested to see where this all goes.
Yeah, I mean, no matter what, we're along for the ride, right?
We don't have a choice.
Exactly.
It's happening.
I find it freaking cool as well.
I think it's a fun time to be around, like to see this from its inception.
I think people are going to look back at history and actually be super jealous of people who are here right now um i think that's
you know if you look at the dot-com era like that i i thought i'd missed it i thought oh my god
imagine if i was around at the inception of apple or microsoft or like and now we're here and it's
even cooler and it's and this is even bigger than all that yeah exactly exactly like i think yeah i
think that's like maybe the the like maybe what we can end on is that no matter what, how you feel, whether, you know, you're,
you're deeply afraid of what the future holds or you're incredibly optimistic, um, you know,
this is going to be, or we are currently living through like one of the coolest moments in time.
So yeah, we get a front seat to like this really cool technological revolution and evolution.
Yeah.
And so, and so that's really, that's awesome.
That's awesome.
Let's end on that.
And hey, actually, I have something fun.
We are collaborating with Stepin, which is a, this is veering away from AI now just to wrap up here.
They are a move to earn platform.
They've been around for a long time in Web3.
I'm sure many of you are familiar with Stepin, but we have done a digital sneaker collab with them.
They designed a Brave themed in-game digital sneaker.
It is so cool and we are currently
running a raffle for a bunch of those digital sneakers and you can find the
entry details on our X, not pinned, I will pin to the top of the profile but
yeah definitely check that out, super cool. Who doesn't want to earn crypto for
hitting their fitness goals? I think that's awesome. But yeah, and I just want to say thank you to everyone for, you know, showing up to the third attempt at setting up the space today.
I think this was an awesome discussion. I think there's so much more we can cover and we certainly will pick up this topic yet again.
And thank you to Jack for always being the host with the most.
for always being always being the host with the most oh thank you so much and yeah massive shout
out to all the speakers all the listeners and special shout out to godson's wife who apparently
is tuning in for the first time as well it's lovely to see so absolutely massive shout out
to all you guys play this one out now Thank you. Everybody say hello. See you next time.
