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Where do we go from here? #blackpilled
Recorded: Dec. 11, 2025 Duration: 1:30:31Space Recording
Short Summary
In a recent discussion, crypto enthusiasts explored the current trends and challenges in the market, highlighting a mix of growth potential and declining sentiment. Key topics included the importance of partnerships, fundraising efforts, and the ongoing need for innovation and talent in the crypto space.
Full Transcription
I'm not going to all over when I go out drinking. Oh, making my mind slow.
That's why I don't with the big bra.
Oh, bro.
I got to maintain.
Because it's like me, it's going insane.
Insane in the membrane.
Insane in the membrane.
Insane in the membrane.
Insane in the membrane.
Insane in the membrane. Insane in the brain! I'm playing in the membrane! I'm in the brain!
I'm playing in the membrane!
I'm in the brain!
Too much s*** undercomin', now it's time for the blubber, blabber, to watch that belly get fat, a fat boy on a diet.
Don't try it, attack your ass like a looter in a riot.
My s*** back like a sumo slammin' that ass, leaving your face in the grass.
You know, I don't take a dulo, lightly p ass, sneaking your face in the grass.
You know I don't take a thulo lightly,
I'm just done if it can't outright feel.
Kick that style, wicked wild.
Hoppy face, you can never see me smile.
Rip that mainframe, I'll explain.
I feel like me is going insane.
Insane in the membrane.
Insane in the membrane.
Insane in the membrane. Insane in the membrane. Hey, what's going on?
What's going on?
Oh, man.
I had a...
I just fucking woke up from a long nap, dude.
I fell asleep after work, and I was out of it.
So I'm refreshed.
I am ready to go.
I got kind of, I don't know.
I got really down some rabbit holes on Twitter this week.
So I get, we'll go into them a bit.
Oh, I was just about to bring you.
Oh, here we go.
Yeah.
I saw you out there.
First name.
Now I'll tell you,
I didn't skip last week. Did I miss last week? No, I was here last week. I'm trying to remember.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Well, hold on. Hang on. I got a better one for you then.
Hold on.
This was my album back in the day, dude.
When I was like... I remember a buddy of mine had a car.
We drove around listening to this album all day.
Anyway. There you go. H hits from the bong cypress hill black sunday so see everything you come in
here you're gonna get uh 90s music but no there was a thread and i'll share it at the top
i don't know dude i get i'm. Maybe I'm in my argumentative mode.
And since I'm not doing crypto stuff,
this is my outlet now.
You don't remember last week?
I was pissed.
What were we talking about specifically?
You had me pissed off. Hold on. Cheers. What were we talking about specifically? You had me pissed off.
Hold on.
Cheers.
What were we talking about?
Jesus, bro.
Come on.
I'm trying to have a conversation here.
Yeah, me too.
That's why I got to get prepped.
I forget what we were talking about.
We were talking MSTR.
Oh, yeah.
And it's use case.
And I'm not pro MSTR
at fucking all.
But we were talking like money
creation.
And my view, by then
it was pretty late
when I came in.
Everyone talking was a little cooked.
I probably was, yeah.
Yeah, nobody was listening to anybody.
Well, I think I get the vibe of what you were trying to say.
What I was trying to say is it's pretty much a vector vector for i don't know phase one of like institutional capture like that's that's kind of what i'm
getting at it like and i think that it's a trojan horse for all the rest of the shit i think
it's a beautiful thing that's happening but you know down the line i think it's gonna
trickle out of out of bitcoin like value because you know bitcoin people the line, I think it's going to trickle out of Bitcoin, like value, because,
you know, people want Bitcoin for a reason. If it doesn't do what it's advised to do from
the beginning, I think people are, you know, who are going to use it, not use Bitcoin.
You know, I've been watching this stuff lately.
I've been watching a lot of travel vlogs.
And one guy I've been watching and this other girl, for some reason I've been caught up in all these videos about like Central Asia.
It's all like, I'm just, I don't know, maybe I'm curious about it.
These are places I've heard of but I've never seen in my life.
Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan, you know, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, and even like obscure places in Russia. And every single place is there is, has old Soviet buildings. They're still existing, right? Most of the apartment complexes were built, all the institutions, the rail stations, everything was built during the Soviet era.
All the institutions, the rail stations, everything was built during the Soviet era.
And what I, and it just got me thinking about like how everything we do is this financial instrument.
You know, it's built on debt and we don't have like a lot of public works anymore meaning like everything's contracted out
we're borrowing money from ourselves in the future there's always money exchanging hands
there's always an interest rate there's somebody always at the top of the heap peeling off interest
from everybody you know what i mean Which is essentially the same as socialism
in my opinion. I feel like we're basically socialist, but we're just
funneling it through these capitalist quote-unquote
avenues. I spend a lot of time
doing international studies, right? One of my
degrees is public relations and international studies, right? One of my degrees is in public relations and international studies.
And one of the things I really like to point out to people
and kind of bring to any debate about communism or socialism
is that there is no socialism.
People like pointing fingers and they'll be like oh the capitalists over here the communists over here the socialists over here
only two of the three of those are right because really socialism is the scale
we're talking about the sliding scale yeah and on one side you've got communism and on once on the other
side you've got capitalism and the proper way to form a manageable and self-regulating society
is to be somewhere in the middle of that socialist scale so like you're saying every you know us as
quote-unquote capitalists a lot of our society is socialist in aspect.
Even if it's not to the people, it can be like socialist to the corporations a lot of times.
Oh, yeah.
Too, which is a bigger problem.
But, you know, that would be more capitalist.
That would, you know, be on that scale.
Well, it got me thinking about one of the things I think that's happened in the last, I don't know, 30 years.
Actually, since fiat money, more and more of the economy is rooted in how do you capture the state's money?
How do you get as close to that spigot as possible?
How do you win contracts? How do you retain your tenure at a, you know, at a university?
Yeah, how do you win government contracts? How do you stay in positive light with the government? Because if you fall out of favor, your whole income dries up. I mean, it can be even stuff like,
lot of favor, your whole income dries up. I mean, it can be even stuff like, I don't know. I mean,
there's tax breaks for, you know, hiring people. Yeah. I mean, the DEI stuff, hiring people,
having a diverse workforce earns you tax credits, earns you sometimes funding from the state,
right? So when that number starts to get to be so
high, the state essentially runs everything by making sure you're adhering to these specific
rules. And the people that hand out the most money to government win the most government contracts
generally, or they have rules written in their favor. And what's really worried me about this
new crypto evolution, one thing that seems to keep sticking out, well, hang on, before I even
get to that, and what's become an industry is these financial instruments, right? It's no longer
about how do I produce value and producing goods for other people. The most successful people are
learning how to manipulate money, how to borrow, like what Michael Saylor's doing. How do I produce value and produce goods for other people? The most successful people are learning how to manipulate money, how to borrow, like what
Michael Saylor's doing.
How do I take advantage of this system of quote unquote free money to enrich myself
now?
Like, I don't care if it ruins my society 10 years down the road.
It doesn't matter to me.
Like the winner in this system today is
be as rich as you possibly can. Who cares what damage you do? If you got to crack a few eggs
for me to get rich, then so be it. Like that's what it feels like more and more that's becoming
the way to success is like to just ignore the negative side effects of what it is that you're
doing. And one thing in crypto I continue to hear talking about is real world assets.
And look, you're doing NFTs and that type of stuff.
And I started thinking, what if they can turn your home into a financial instrument
that can be traded, or they can buy all the homes and leverage that debt
that people from other countries can buy masses of homes
digitally. They don't have to ever physically go anywhere. They can get rights. Like it just
starts removing any barriers of actual having to be a member of that community in order to,
you know, buy a thing or to, you know, you have no vested interest in whether or not this thing
is actually valuable to the thing or to everybody around it no vested interest in whether or not this thing is actually valuable
to the thing or to everybody around it. A good example right now is this stuff in college
athletics. I don't know if you saw Utah. It's corporatization of everything. I guess that'd
be the best way to put it. You become an asset on a spreadsheet. Everything you own is just an asset
that can be traded and leveraged. And there's no concern about what does that mean
to the people around it? You know what I'm saying? That if, I mean, I think somebody made an example
today. Like I was watching some, it was like an old clip, but it was like a corporation will buy
a building and look at the doorman and go, well, that doorman costs us $90,000 a year. So he's,
I can put a robot in there for 30,000000 and get rid of this $90,000.
They can just start literally making purely financial decisions across the board.
And I think that's what's happened everywhere, dude.
That's why prices, there is inflation going on, but there's also this corporatization happening where everything is about how do I maximize profit
at every single step of the way. And I just feel like it's the next evolution of it. The real world
asset thing is the next evolution of like getting their fingers into every available, I guess,
hard asset, leverageable asset they can and maximizing value for themselves and nobody around them.
So it feels like a doomed system, I guess is what I'm saying.
We got to take some lessons from Japanese.
I was looking at the Japanese culture recently,
culture recently and you know they've got things ingrained in their society like um i think it's
and they've got things ingrained in their society.
like ikigai and you know kaisen and and it's just a more i guess it's a socialist aspect of it
because um it's more community-based and really think about the future not only the future of like
their generations but like each moment too because like it goes down to like personal fulfillment
you know one percent better each fucking each day right and it's just finding those little things to make the whole system work cohesively better and constantly improving.
ourselves in the competition of things to where we have completely separate and isolated
things going on that where, you know, an improvement in one thing really does not have a direct
effect on the other. So it's harder to get that instilled sense of, you know, community
upbringing, I guess, community...
Responsibility to the community.
Yeah, I guess we're looking for. And so we really got to take some lessons from that.
And I was thinking about it, too, because like there
could be like a way to
time lock mining in a way
that kind of generates revenue like that.
I don't know.
I was thinking about it where you'd have like a time locked address and you can mine normally.
But then there would also be a portion of those funds would be going to like a time locked address.
I don't know how. I mean, I'm sure this isn't going a time locked address um i don't know how i mean i'm sure this isn't could be abused but i don't know it'd be interesting to find ways to integrate
that into a blockchain i guess is what i'm getting at well there's no way there's no way to make
people responsible to their community uh you know we people can and, and they're all within their own rights to buy, you know, let's just take an example.
Like, I don't know, buy an apartment complex, like a slumlord, right?
Slumlord would be a good example of somebody who's not, doesn't give a shit about the people who live there or the community around it, right?
They're not worried about what the building looks like.
They're not worried about its property, like its curb appeal. They don't care if these people barely have heat or have
leaky plumbing, right? It's like taking advantage of people who really don't have any way of
making the place better for themselves. And since you don't live there and it's not your people,
like who cares? And so like, there's a part of me that sees when people say like it should be illegal for Black Rock or whoever it is, Blackstone, who owns all these homes, you know, to own private homes.
And that would be a form of socialism to say you can't own more than whatever.
Maybe it's three homes and anything above and beyond that.
Maybe there's a huge penalty or you got to get some sort of special permission.
Like it's a big arduous process. So nobody's going to do it frivolously. And, uh, you know,
of all the things we should be protecting for our people to have is a place to stay.
And the fact that there are these homes that get bought up and held, they're just speculating on home values.
They're not actually interested in living in these houses.
And it removes supply.
It's just like buying Bitcoin and hoarding it, right?
Waiting for the market to go up so they can cash out.
I think it's funny that there's incentives for first-time homebuyers, but not incentive for corporations to not do the thing, right?
the thing right like what i'm what i'm getting at is i recently purchased a house and i got some
pretty good funding and help because i'm a first-time home buyer and they they it's they
want to combat that exact issue theoretically yeah they want to incentivize people to to buy
houses so but you know with with the help there's a lot of contingencies involved. I can't rent out
my house. I have to live in my house for five years straight. I can't make any money off
of my house. I can't run a certain portion of that original debt.
But those programs are few and far between.
And how often is there a first-time home buyer?
Once in your life, right?
Once.
Yeah, exactly. fire once in your life right once yeah exactly so well so this is the part that i guess i've been
i was actually called the animal last night i was talking to about some stuff and i was just telling
like man i don't know what's happened in the last like month i started just really it was two nights
ago mstr you're right you're right sorry go on oh was it two weeks no two nights ago was the mstr talk i thought it was last night
last week we talked about was it last week oh yeah last week
you're right not like i'm doing this on mondays although i did think about it this monday i
thought about coming out but um well i was telling like i'm just kind of getting to this point. I'm like, I, I don't know. I'm questioning a lot of the things I've believed and maybe in something. And, you know, I changed to the populist block, right? I, there was a part of this whole idea of keeping work in the country.
And if it's imposing a tax to the benefit of the people that live here, maybe I've relented a bit.
The ideal libertarian world isn't real.
That's not realistic.
Just like pure communism isn't realistic, either is libertarianism.
It's never going to happen.
People are corrupt
and we've just let corruption run fucking amok, dude. It is amazing to me how out in the open
everything seems to be right now and has been for like, I don't even know when it started. I guess
2008, maybe it started, maybe it was the nineties or you know pro past uh 9 11 but it just feels like
everything is a corporate instrument and prices are totally dis uh i don't disconnected from
reality for most people and it's fewer and fewer people even in your life it's like it's not only
the income inequality of the one percent it's the income inequality of the top 5%.
And that number is going to be then the 4% or the 3%.
It continues to work in the advantage of those people and nothing's getting built.
We spend billions and billions of dollars in taxes, not to mention the money we borrow and spend.
And it doesn't go to actually improving people's communities like none of it does.
We can't even point to go, you know, again, I don't like this whole train station, but like your airports.
Why, like Trump has said, why don't we have top of the line shit like you see over in China?
It's like there's no political will.
No one, none of the politicians even talk about benefiting Americans anymore.
It's none of the conversation.
It's fucking crazy.
The president of the United States got an interview and says, oh, we can't do that.
We don't have the people capable of building these things or working in these facilities.
How is that possible? How can the leader of the We don't have the people capable of building these things or working in these facilities. How is that possible?
How can the leader of the country basically shit on the population?
It's like nobody even cares.
It just blows my mind.
I just think we're doomed.
This is why I'm blackpilled.
I'm like, we don't have a single politician saying, we need, I mean, Trump's saying we need to keep people working here.
But his actions aren't backing that up, dude.
I don't know.
That's why I'm blackpilled.
What's blackpilled mean to you?
We're doomed.
I didn't take the red pill.
I took the black pill.
The opposite is the white pill where you're optimistic. You feel like I'm, and I, and I, I guess there's a point, part of me that has optimism and hope that maybe AI and robotics and stuff can take us out of this, but we are in a retarded system. The fiat system is socialism, period.
That is what's causing our socialism.
And there's no way we're going to end it in any sort of peaceful transition.
It's going to collapse.
And it's just a matter of when.
But socialism, do you mean corporate communism?
Sure.
Yeah.
I do want to get people away from that, calling everything socialist.
Because it's such a broad term.
It's hard to know what the heck someone's actually talking about.
Yeah, no, that's true.
Yeah, because some people think of it as like, yeah, with Soviet Union or Cuba.
And then other people think of it as just get free health care.
Right.
So I really do want to make the importance of driving home the fact that socialism is the scale
that either side
is... Crony capitalism.
Got you. Yeah.
Corporate fucking crony capitalism.
Gang
shit. We don't like gang shit.
It is. It's mafia.
It's very mafia-like.
And I guess
what's been interesting to me is to start is you start seeing the parallels of two systems where there's the elite that get everything, and then there's the workers.
At least in capitalism, or whatever, the corporate capitalism, we can say, hey, here's all this progress and these things that we built and invented.
And I think what we're all recognizing is that we're not seeing the benefit of that anymore.
Like, I don't think that we're seeing leaps and bounds of advancement in your everyday life.
Like, oh, are there cool new apps and there's fun little, like, AI is cool, but that doesn't put food on the table for a lot of people.
So it's, it's not improving most people's lives. You know, it's like, Oh cool. I, yeah,
I fixed a computer using it. What did he do? If I can't afford to take, you know, to go pay for my
groceries or take my family out to dinner anymore, then I'm not better off. I don't
care how many cool doohickeys I fucking have. You know what I'm saying? And so I think people are
recognizing like this is, and again, maybe I'm just getting to the point of, I don't know,
I was more disconnected from it or I'm not sure. That's what I'm saying. It's like weird. It's like,
I'm not sure what happened that triggered this mindset in me. I usually can pinpoint, I can usually say, uh, this particular issue made me think twice about things, but I don't know. that things are not the way they appear, and that's enough to just disheart you.
Like, just knowing that for 99% fact in your heart, I mean, what can you do when you realize,
like, the narrative being shown to you, A, isn't true, and now B, with all this AI shit,
can it really be fabricated, right?
We really could be in our own fucking echo chambers with, you know, North Korea Radio 2.0.
And we wouldn't know it.
We wouldn't know it.
Yeah, I did have that thought about, you know, China.
I think I said that a few weeks ago. Like, I saw some clip in this lady was showing some cool new technology in
China.
And like,
they've got the cars over there,
those BYD cars that we're not allowed to have in America.
They're supposedly like 10 grand for basically the equivalent of a Tesla.
And I'm like,
maybe,
maybe we are just being totally fucking bamboozled.
I mean, where is our...
Okay, so I do...
My other background is in languages, right?
And there's a lot of languages in the world.
And they're...
You know, if you want to get metaphysical about it,
they're different spell books, okay?
And there's...
You can fit more content in different spell books in a shorter amount of you know
spell casting so like you have english right and you actually have to write out each sound
and it's it's like a child's spell book and and we really are like the test subjects especially
in the u.s because we're all that's all the spells we know. Then you've got China,
which they've got their
ideographs,
I believe that's what they're called,
where they've got
full ideas represented
in such a small amount of sound
and representation.
And it's
just a whole other level and layer of understanding the world and
being able to communicate the world that us as English born speakers who only speak English
can't even conceptualize the amount of content that can be exchanged just as a different type of person, right?
It's crazy.
And that goes along even with, like, you know, drug use and animals.
Like, there's the ideas that we want to communicate are severely limited
to the language that we have to produce.
Cheers.
Okay. Yeah, you're right
wants to come up
meaning
meaning
sorry to tie it back
no you're fine
meaning that
the u.s is in
three trillion dollars
into debt
to its own people
meaning what exactly?
X amount of dollars is in debt to China.
All of our resources are produced in China.
All of our technology that is created
is created in China.
You want to put your tinfoil hat on.
Shit.
I mean, it's all, it's all a theater show put on by a whole nother entity.
That's my, that's my idea.
That's my black pill.
Your tinfoil hat is at China's pulling all the strings.
Yeah.
That's my black pill.
Fuck yeah.
Yeah.
I do think there's a
lot of
I don't know.
The idea that
going back to what Trump said about
we're not capable.
There's a lot of just
what feels like propaganda to tell us
how much we suck.
You know?
America was evil. America was colonialism. America's racist. America's,
you know, spreading tyranny throughout the world. There's some truth to some of this stuff, but
I refuse to believe that. I refuse to believe the people I interact with every day are bad people in any way.
And so
it's a weird, feels like concerted
effort. I guess that's
the disconnect.
The government no longer
represents its people. And you can see
that just in the
amount of hands. It's not only that. It's like
they're all actively telling us how much we suck.
It'd be one thing not to even say positive things, but it's actively saying negative things.
You're like, Jesus Christ.
And every cycle that, I mean, I don't care who supports who, but every cycle of this president being in charge,
I haven't heard more people being like,
I'm pro-Trump.
I've heard less people.
And so it's just like,
what does that reflect in the society?
Like, no, they're not representing us.
And they weren't holding true to what they're saying.
Yeah, and maybe what it is is I was holding out hope,
certainly that this whole, you know,
this wave of people that came in with Trump, you know,
was both sides of the aisle, RFK, Tulsi Gabbard,
you know, Elon's involved, Vivek's involved. I mean, who else?
Cash Patel's. And some of these, I mean, to me,
there were some weird hires like Hegseth and who the hell else was involved
at Bongino, these TV personalities. And you're like, okay, it's weird,
but it felt like they were all aligned in,
I don't know, getting rid of some of the bloat, the government bloat.
And it didn't matter.
Nothing's really materialistically changed.
You know what I'm saying?
And so I think it's just disappointment. A realization that, God damn it, nobody's coming to save us.
There's no one politically that's coming to save us.
They're so completely at the mercy of this massive amount of debt
and obligations to other countries that we owe everything to.
I mean, we just can't...
We're not going to get it done politically, I don't think.
It's just that we're going to have to cycle through.
It's just going to have to crash.
It's going to have to get worse before it gets better.
And it's just a fucking bummer.
That's all.
If people don't see it by now,
I mean, people are still out here arguing about,
I don't know,
race.
We're more consumed with race than ever, dude. It's amazing.
Anyway, Animal, I sent you, did you get a chance to watch that thing I sent you last night?
I watched this video. He can tell me if maybe it's full of shit,
but it was about this thing he had even mentioned a while ago.
Back in Canada, apparently there was this,
I don't know, big controversy
about these schools that
the Canadian government built,
I don't know, 100 and some odd years ago
that were meant to bring
indigenous kids into, uh, to educate them, teach them English, teach them math, government,
how things work, how to be productive members of Canadian society instead of their, um, their
tribes. And, um, there was a big controversy about,
there was one of those schools claimed
that there were 200 and some kids
who had been killed at one of the schools.
It was this, I guess there was a scourge
of kids that would get killed and then buried on site
for whatever reason, maybe they
were sexually assaulted.
Maybe they were just, uh, disciplined so hard that they died.
You know, there was no real evidence as to what exactly happened, but there was this
claim.
And, um, this lady out in British Columbia, this is where it happened.
She was a politician and she was like, Hey, you know, my family's been here for hundreds
of years. And all she wanted was proof. She just wanted to say, OK, let's let's exhume the bodies if there's 200 and some bodies, because she had her doubts about whether or not it had actually happened.
about like ground penetrating radar to say, hey, are there bodies? And the lady who did the
ground, the radar thing said, there's anomalies. We can't say for sure, but you know,
there are anomalies underneath this, in this site. And all this lady wanted, the politician was like,
just, we'll just, let's have proof until we have proof. We shouldn't be like treating this as if
it actually happened because it's kind of a reflection on my
ancestry in a way like you're saying that canadians are out here just murdering natives
for no particular reason right like bringing these kids in and killing them and uh just asking those
questions got her labeled as this she was a white supremacist she She was a racist. How dare you ask these questions? Blah, blah, blah. And,
uh, it got spread out. Like basically every, all these different schools started saying, yeah,
well we had people killed too. And then here's all these names and they had all these parades.
It became a whole thing to create a government department, the government of the department of
truth and reconciliation, which animal and I laughed at because it's a very Soviet-sounding department.
And it started shelling out money to victims' families, even though there were no—not even victims' families.
Kids who had—or, I'm sorry.
It was shelling it out to the tribes themselves.
So the tribes were incentivized to say, oh yeah, we had kids killed here too,
but they never, nobody ever had to prove any, nobody ever had to prove anything. There was
never like, let's exhume bodies, let's get names, all this stuff. And so it became, it,
this lady started realizing, this is a fucking grift. There's, there's not actually anything
going on. And, uh, it's kind of gone further where there's even like land rights are being lost to these people who own houses or just having the rights to their land plucked out from under them because of this, the power these indigenous tribes have gotten.
what's actually happened or anything like that. And, uh, I don't know. It was just really
interesting to see how, again, the government can get caught up in pet projects almost.
And they have no tether to reality. The government has no, they have unlimited money,
quote unquote, right? Basically. And they can just impose their will to whatever's politically
convenient. It doesn't have to actually represent truth. to whatever's politically convenient it doesn't have
to actually represent truth like you're saying it doesn't have to actually represent what's good
for the community it doesn't even have to represent the desires of the people who live there
like you could have 80 of the population disagree with something and the government will still do
it and they'll tell you why it's a good thing and the newspapers will tell you why it's a good thing.
You know what I'm saying?
And they will convince a good portion of the population that it's a good thing what we're doing.
You know what I'm saying?
And that's some scary stuff.
And then demonize people who disagree with them.
Which is why the free speech thing is so important.
Like this lady literally was brought up on charge,
like hate crime charges for saying,
hey, just show me the bodies.
If you're going to say that this happened,
show me the bodies.
And that was considered, yeah, it's hate speech.
You're like, oh my God, dude.
Isn't that crazy? I don't know if you're trying to talk or not. Nobody wants to talk to me tonight.
No, I just made dinner.
Just sitting down. I'm probably
going to listen. I'm out here.
I'll get somebody else up.
Yeah, I gotta make some
pizza sauce tonight.
I was telling Animal, I was
making pizza dough last night. I gotta make the
sauce tonight.
I like it as sauce.
Well, nobody else wants to talk.
What do you guys want to hear?
Well, here, I'll tell you what else I got into.
Hang on a second.
I was just hoping this guy would come in because I was going back and forth with him quite a bit.
And it's the racism stuff.
Let's see.
It was this... The reason I played insane in the brain is there was this lady who made a post,
and she was talking about K-pop,
and how K-pop has taken music, basically borrowed heavily from rap,
or as she put it, stole a lot of hip-hop.
Dang it, I gotta find this. Hang on a second.
Please hold. Um, I got, I'm trying to find the original posts. So it's funny because I got very, there we go.
Sorry, it's up there.
I got kind of caught up in this.
I almost felt like the old days when I would get caught up in these crypto conversations.
What I recognize is that people don't generally engage a lot on a lot of these other topics. Like they they'll post, or they'll reply one time,
but they won't have a back and forth.
But you do get a few people that do.
And, um,
what struck me about this is this lady was like,
K-pop is like,
mimicked hip-hop a lot.
They borrowed a lot of elements from it.
And now they're profiting off of it and that's racist and i'm
like what the fuck how is that like i'm just i don't again it's an abuse of this word like i'm
thinking how is making music that other people enjoy racist that doesn't make any sense to me
like there's no maliciousness here if If anything, it's flattering. Like people
copy your craft and everybody's craft is copied. Like you can go backwards. And what struck me
about this conversation is this, this is like the whole black white thing. Um, the cultural
appropriation and racism, and it's such a gray area, but what's clear is that people are just like white people
bad everybody else whatever you know what i'm saying like if because i was like well i kept
saying like well almost all rap was taking people's music back in the day when i was growing up
no the whole there was a controversy right they were they sampled everything and they didn't credit
where they sampled it from they didn't pay people who they took samples from and only through like
litigation did it actually start to get rectified in some way but i'm thinking like this is what
music is is you borrow influences from all sorts of people and it just i don't know, man. It amazed me. There's no nuance. There's no nuanced thinking at all of, well, you can't say, okay, let's say we sit here and say, okay, black people invented rap. Okay, great. rock and roll they go no no no it was based on rhythm and blues right it was based on blues back then okay well what was blues based on was it where did the guitar come from you know where
did music theory come from who built the equipment to record these things like are we really going to
go down this road and like try to just parse out every single fucking thing from the past and
rather than just saying this is an american
creation these are america this was created because of america because blending cultures
together is what produced this but there's no unity it's all division we've gotten so divided
it's it's fucking wild to me scotty you too, you know. What's that?
I said white lives matter too, you know.
Well, yeah.
I mean, you know, whatever.
You know what I'm saying?
It's just, it's a weird... It's just weird.
I got it.
No, because to me, it's like, you know...
I got to back that up with some context
because people take a recorded shit out of context.
Well, they would have already done that.
I'm not a super racist, I promise.
No, no.
I actually don't see color.
It isn't racist.
Like, it isn't racist to be like, yeah, to acknowledge, okay, yeah, did rap stem from the black community?
Absolutely.
But that doesn't mean, like, if white people rap, they're stealing it from you.
They're just going, oh, hey, this is cool.
I like this.
I want to do it, too.
That's not theft.
That's not malicious.
You know what I'm saying?
I think there was a lot of theft.
Led Zeppelin stole their whole first album.
If you ever watch, it's pretty wild, actually.
They copied.
But it wasn't like they picked one group of people and said,
I'm going to steal that.
Because they're black, I'm going to steal this music.
Because they stole some white ladies' music.
They stole some white guys' songs.
It wasn't racially motivated. I think that's where I get so frustrated. If you want to, you can twist yourself up in knots and assign everything to racism. You can say everything's a power struggle and it's men or it's white or it's American or it's colonialism. But it's all meant to divide.
or it's colonialism,
but it's all meant to divide.
None of it is,
there's never the thing of like,
you know what?
I think K-pop's kind of fucking cool
and I like it.
And I'm black and I don't care
where it came from.
It's good music.
Like acknowledge that people
can make good music
that didn't create it
in the first place.
The first rappers were
fucking whack as shit.
I was brown when rap was starting it was bad
you don't sound very black i'm not i'm very white i thought so i just heard you say that
i know what you're you're talking about it but you said you know i'm a black man and i was like
man you don't sound like no no no no i i grew i mean i I mean, I'm not acting like I grew up in the ghetto or something, but I was exposed to it.
I grew up on rap music.
Yeah, I grew up on rap music as well.
So, yeah, I get it.
And it was not, I just, again, like I was a kid, so you never know.
Everybody's got a rosy outlook on when they grew up.
But, like, the 90s felt like we were getting past a
lot of stuff, you know, like you had in the eighties, you had like the Cosby show was
a positive portrayal.
And a lot of people in my generation, I just don't feel like there was this, they didn't
see what America looked like in the past.
You know what I'm saying?
I don't know.
I feel like I grew up in a fairly good bubble that I watch.
I mean,
I black and white culture were very blended in the nineties.
I don't know.
Do you feel the same way?
I don't know how old you are.
I'm in my 50s, but, you know, I'm a young 50.
I guess everybody would say that in their 50s.
You might have had different experience down south, you know.
Yeah, I mean, what I found was, yeah, there was a lot of racism around me.
But the black culture always had no problem with. It was the white people when I
brought the black people around or I was around the black people that seemed to have a problem
with me being around the black people. Not really the black people who had a problem with me hanging
out with the black people. Sometimes, I mean, there was different situations um and then as i grew up um and went off to college it was really just emerging but
it wasn't a lot it wasn't as many black folks around um i traveled out west um where my
grandparents and stuff lived and i literally was in Iowa for like a couple of weeks and I remember
asking my grandparents I said is there no black people here they were they were nowhere um so
those I experienced those type of things um and I really don't see black or white until somebody
forces me to or a color you know those situations as I got older um and i spent some time in prison so i've
been really baptized in the culture of racism and spanish and black and all that so i've experienced
it all and i've come out of it as i'm not a racist but i can i can trip out sometimes on people and
you would think i was because of the way they treat me.
So it's kind of in me in some kind of way.
I think that's the hard part.
And what triggered me about that lady's post is the use of the word racism.
Because I'm like, we got to reserve.
The words have to mean shit.
And you have to reserve that for, in my opinion, somebody who's being malicious.
And if I hear music and I like it and I imitate it and play it, that's not malicious.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
And that's where I'm going.
If we can't even agree that, like, hey, we're all in this together.
that like, hey, we're all in this together.
At the end of the day, we're all human.
And because somebody with skin color A creates something
doesn't mean it's off limits to other people.
It doesn't mean that if other people like it,
they're somehow appropriating it
or they're damaging the person who created it.
Or worse yet, that if people enjoy the music,
that it's an offense to not only the person that created it,
that it's an offense to everybody who has the same skin color
as the person that created it.
You're just like, what?
How does that even make any sense to anybody?
Like, and music itself is built to be like,
it's meant to be enjoyed.
Like, I would think it was cool as fuck if I created a musical format that the world has embraced.
I'd be like, God damn, I'm pretty fucking proud of myself.
In no way would I be like, they all stole from me.
I deserve to be rich.
I'd be like, because that's not what it's all about.
I don't know, man.
It just, I don't know.
I went on and on with a lot of
people actually one guy was hoping he'd come in because i was like you should come in these spaces
because uh he at least was having good it's hard to find people that have good banter you know
and be fair he had a lot of insight like i felt like i think he was a black guy i don't know
and that he had maybe had some experience in recording music and that
type of stuff and i'm sure there's a lot of you know look i'm sure there's a lot of racism and
fucking corporate music like there absolutely is yes and maybe in both directions maybe you know
if you look at like who actually sells records disproportionately is more black people who makes
the videos that's what i wonder about because
there's some strange ass videos if you watch them out there and some of the music that comes through
i love music and i'll listen to the black rap females a lot just for that energy that they put
out and i'll listen to in my headphones but i won't watch the videos but every now and then i
watch the videos and i'm like who the fuck is getting these women to do this shit?
Actually, you know, you say that the women rappers are better now.
The male rappers are trash.
Yeah.
And I'm not a hip hop guy.
I'm not.
I was I liked it back in the day, but I don't really listen.
I'm not, you know, you know, as you grow up, you don't listen to anything new.
I do it when I work on online and charts and stuff all the time.
So I'll just turn the music on and clear my head and they tend to clear if I'm ill or I'm going to get something because they just got this attitude about them.
And it just kind of works when I'm like in that rant, kind of pissed off, they fuck all this shit.
I'll turn it on and just kind of get into the beating.
And I like to change the words. That's what I like to do. pistol fake book all this shit i'll turn it on and just kind of get into the beating and
i like to change the words and that's what i like to do so i do it all the time i just sit there and
change all the words around and then uh oh you like you uh riff off of it or ever i don't know
man it's like the energy they have an energy they put out that's it's really that's the way i feel
about it is like let me go let me go tap into this energy
this type of musical energy or that type of musical energy and it you know has some some
sort of effect on me as i'm really clear in my head and keeping all the noise out even though
people think it's noise i'm like no this is my noise reduction you know the clear and let me
think properly is to have all that in my ears that's like i was you
know i was always i like heavy metal a lot and uh i like in that movie the big short i don't know
did you ever see that one with uh yeah and like he would just listen to death metal all the time
like he'd be sitting there at his desk listening to shit that's like right and you don't what's
funny about metal is like it probably like rap too is like at first you hear
crazy music that people are screaming and like you're like what the fuck is that like i wouldn't
you're thinking i would never enjoy that how could i ever enjoy it and like as you go down the road
you start listening to heavier and heavier music and it's like you slowly start to go oh i kind of
get this now like it doesn't sound like mayhem to me anymore there's a groove to it
you know what i'm saying there's a melody there's an energy to it right there's an energy and you
kind of you're just feeding you're just yeah here and you're just feeling the energy more than
anything and uh you kind of look past the individual instruments and everything and and i
you know going back to like what we were talking about though like it's amazing to me people can sit here and i don't know if they consciously think about this stuff all the
time you go insane if all you were everything you saw you were just nitpicking and saying well who
created it you know who's profiting off of it rather than just enjoying it how many black
actors are in this movie how many white actors like the people get mad about black
and white couples and advertisements it's like oh my god dude get a fucking life
i think social media kind of you know it amplifies these people yeah amplifies it
really too much way too much i mean it's the you know the economy you know i's the economy of social media, like getting attention.
If the economy is clicks, then whatever gets clicks is good.
You've got to stir it apart, and they'll come up with just about anything to stir apart.
So, yeah, do you think that we'll ever get to a rejection of social media in that sense?
Will it become so oversaturated?
We're just like, oh, my God.
I think it's there already, so I'm not too sure.
It just seems to keep getting worse.
I mean, Facebook went from the awfulest shit in the world to just, I deleted it all.
I couldn't take it no more.
Isn't that weird?
Yeah.
It was cool when it first came out.
Stay connected.
Find all your friends from high school and share pictures with your family and stuff.
Now you're just like, why are we doing this?
I used it to build a huge business and I finally just gave it up.
They switched the algorithms and the way you get the people.
Now it's just like, I couldn't deal with it no longer.
The quality of people and all that, I just said, nah.
So, like, let's imagine this. Let's
take, I'm going to give you a
hypothetical about
socialism.
Or, he didn't want to use that.
Like, what if we agree data
centers are a good thing
and instead of letting these
businesses build data centers,
the state saw them as infrastructure and said, we're going to build data centers.
Anybody can use them. You know, there's a cost, whatever, a transactional cost or a
bandwidth cost. And anybody could use these things to build their own LLMs or
their own social media platforms or whatever, right?
Would that be better than what we're doing today?
And an arms race between these corporations who then control the funnel,
right? They control the pipeline. Like radio, I mean, I guess radio would be a good example of funnel, right? They control the pipeline.
I guess radio would be a good example of that, right?
I don't know how much the government went out and built radio stations.
I mean, they built highways.
No one disagreed with that.
And that was to like that anybody could use them.
Greasing the wheels of commerce. But now everything they do is
funneled towards corporations.
I don't know.
Gotta take the power back like Raging This Machine said.
So data centers
run social media platforms?
Well, what if you could build your own social media platform?
Because, you know, maybe it's...
Yeah, you're not relying
on another corporation's
hard wire.
You get what I'm saying?
Yeah.
Like, internet. Shouldn't internet be fucking free?
I'm becoming a socialist.
Every business needs it. Everybody uses it.
Just like water and electricity.
I mean you should definitely pay for how much you use I guess.
But it just feels weird to...
I'm finding myself going, we're just adding weird layers of capitalism on top of a system that people, that if everybody uses it, it feels like that makes sense to try to simplify it as much as possible.
Make it as efficient as possible.
And I feel like, if anything, our government's doing things that make things more expensive for us.
What's the...
What was one thing I was thinking of?
God damn it.
I just blanked out.
I don't know. I guess I look at like roads are a good example of that, you know?
Anyway.
Animal, are you not coming up? I want to talk to you about this fucking Canadian thing.
You're fucking this up, buddy.
Yeah, I'm surprised nobody's coming in.
Maybe I should turn into a Litecoin title and everyone will show up.
Yeah, how did you find us originally scotty
um probably just working on twitter doing my thing on twitter and looked up and clicked in
and started listening um that was last week i think um i've just kind of started jumping in
and out of um twitter spaces well i've been doing it since the beginning of the year but mostly with
metal metal groups and stuff um that's kind of where i mean i've seen doing it since the beginning of the year but mostly with metal metal groups and stuff
um that's kind of where i mean i've seen the twitter spaces up forever i've been in crew
over damn 10 years so but it all was nft and stuff and i kind of ignored it like i told you i would
spend a good part of my career on facebook and um i had a twitter account over here and they took it from me and so i'm on a new twitter account
and um i've i do some stuff on telegram as well i mean i've been through all these platforms i
gave discord like five years ago i won't even turn that shit on no more um early days slack
room i've been on all of them and used them and i'm kind of shifting over here on twitter um the funnels um seem to be all shut down
the banks and stuff i don't know man i've spent about about five years just beating my head up
against the wall with these on social media platforms and how you actually get through to
real people yeah i know i feel you know i feel fortunate that i have a job that we have a pretty narrow target base.
You know, like most of our customers are in the automotive world.
So it's like we don't really have to rely too much on social media or online engagement.
It'd be impossible, you know.
You're just like whatever Google changes, you're just like whatever google changes you're just everyone's got a
adapt yeah retool everything because they make a this is a random ass change you know
yeah i use telegram a lot and i i do like telegram for the fact they won't ban you
ghost you it's your own channels i mean you still you know you still pay and you still
um you know or or using somebody else's stuff but they don't tend to mess with you
so bro what'd you go to prison for um taxes attack private tax office was washing money
for folks um dang dude that's serious shit well about 20 years ago yeah i got i ended up getting
quite a bit of time too i've always been kind of um a little bit on the edge since i was very young
so it kind of stacked up against me and then when they got me from that they just you know grease me up dang so that was um i got out in uh 2014 i think
yeah 2014 how long were you in i was in almost eight straight years in the Fed. Oh, dude. It sucked. It's the past, though.
You know, it was just part of my life.
And I'm one of the few that got out and did something with my life.
What was it like?
What was it?
I mean, I got to know.
Okay.
First night, first time you come in, are you just like, you really don't know.
You can hear all you want, but you got to just be going, what the fuck's this going to be like, right?
Well, by the time you get to the Fed, you're usually sat in a county jail for a couple years.
So it's a breath of fresh air to begin with.
And I mean, you definitely get exposed to things you're not ready for.
I started off in a medium security
but when i would do the work in these places because you have to have a job sometimes they
would send you to the max um penitentiaries to do the work and stuff so um yeah i mean
you know some of the you know one of the things that just pops in my head is, you know, the rats in the kitchen and coming in in the morning, you know, doing some work in some of these places.
And these rats are so freaking big and they're aggressive.
And I mean, it's just crazy.
You wouldn't think I would never.
I never experienced that before.
I've kind of seen it in the fairgrounds and stuff, that one, the fairgrounds shut down,
but not in a kitchen where people are served food every day.
Violence, like I've never seen it before.
Racism, like I've never seen it before.
Really?
Yeah.
And then they work you through the prisons if you started to hire security and you behave, which I did.
They start to work you down.
And, you know, one of the places I stayed at and I really started to understand what
the system thought of me was I was 50% of the place was child molesters and stuff, you
investors and stuff, you know, so I had to do some time around those type of people.
know, so I had to do some time around those type of people.
And I think a lot of people don't learn a lesson in there at all.
And I don't know how they don't, but they don't.
I was just going to ask you, is it like, even in there,
is it a small percentage of the people that are most of the problems?
percentage of the people there most of the problems um in there it tends to stay calm
for the most part except for like the major stuff that that breaks out um so yeah you know you get
put in a place like that most people just kind of want to lay low um and and get through it so yeah that's
what i'm thinking like you would imagine people got to that point they'd be like you know what
i'm just going to sit here and be on my best behavior for as long as i can because i want to
make this as short as possible but most people are like that then you know there's a lot of mental illness in there including the people that work there yeah and you know you're trapped so you can only imagine you're trapped in there with a bunch
of men 24 7 and um you know we play basketball and softball and sports and stuff like that so
there's that competitive kind of man in prison thing.
There's all kinds of shit goes on in there.
Yeah, I guess you still got men who are going to butt heads, right?
Yeah, definitely.
And then there's all different kinds of extremes in there
with the racism and stuff.
That was one of the things that I wasn know, I wasn't quite ready for.
I mean, I'm grown, so I dealt with it.
But, you know, I've been on the yard
and had the sirens go off
and have to lay on the ground
and watch three men beat the hell out of somebody
until their brains are out of their head
and then have to lay on the floor
and let the rubber bullets that they were shooting from the tower and just hoping one wasn't going
hit me you know and there was nothing i could do but later so puts you in a lot of situations
yeah puts you in a lot of situations that there's you better hope you know you're just praying that
you get through it because there's nothing you can do about it.
Are there people that, like, run, like, when I say run prison,
like, are there inmates that essentially are, like, kind of top dog?
Shot callers.
We call them shot callers.
Oh, okay.
In some places, yeah, and they're the people that if you've got something going on between two groups, you know, you go to the shock caller and try to smooth it out before it gets into like a gang on gang approach.
That's in a higher security, mostly though.
Some of the last places I stayed in, we didn't even have a fence, you know.
So when you start to go into the lower security, you don't have a fence.
From the highway, when people go by where you're at, unless they read the sign, you wouldn't even know that it's a prison.
And the last prison I was in, when they sent me to my last place that I was going to stay at, which happened to be up in Virginia, they put me in street clothes and gave me a bus ticket.
And I still had two years left.
So there's a lot of stuff that goes on that people don't realize.
Well, yeah, you're, yeah, they're trying to reintegrate you into society.
You're like Andy Dufresne, dude.
It was just like a team of people's taxes
i did actually and i i studied i studied though i was already in the markets and stuff before
they put me in prison or in tax all this stuff so i studied markets the whole time and um
the first time i found bitcoin it was in literally a back of a rolling stone magazine
and it's in the prison library that's crazy yep yep so um you know lots of people in there spend
all their time watching tv and sports and betting and gambling and all that stuff and
uh i just put my head in a book and um stayed in the the the chapels and stuff as much as i could
away from i'm gonna stay stay just you know away from all the um the stuff that would have just
led me right back in there yeah i guess there's a lot of now i think a lot of people who aren't
I guess there's a lot of people who don't break the law.
You generally look at people who do, and they're like, why?
You're putting in all this effort to not break the law.
I'm sorry.
You're putting all this effort in to make some money breaking the law.
If you just took your energy and put it towards something productive know something productive and legal you'd make just
as much money you'd probably work less it was great it was it was great that's what got me
great the whole time is it it's an addiction to money and greed throughout my whole life that
pushed me to do things and then you a lot some i think it will a lot of folks have this thing in
the middle of their head that they can just flip to the side and it says oh that's not bad you can
get away with that you can get away with that you know i had to i had to train my brain to understand
that the risk wasn't worth um the money.
Man, you probably had some nights of regret.
Good Lord.
Yes.
Just going, why was I so stupid?
Why did I think I could get away with this?
This is ridiculous.
All this for a few grand?
I'm sure it was a significant amount of money.
It was a lot. of money but yeah it was a lot but it was you know when you get years man it's like you do one year you do two years you do three years and
you still got four left i mean you have to live with that every day so when they say you got time
yeah you got time um and it's not like you got a lot to do every day,
but think about it.
Well, it's amazing that the people that get life in prison,
I'm always just like, dude, how?
You know what I mean?
How could you live through that?
I don't know.
Because, you know, the day they gave me the 10 years,
I mean, I just, I wanted somebody to bring me something so i could just
go to sleep and i'll wake up i didn't want to do it but i quickly decided hey if i could check out
right now i would because i do not want to do this um obviously at this point in my life i'm glad i
didn't get that opportunity to do anything yeah Life lessons, man.
It's your success story, dude.
You're a success story.
In a way.
Are you on the straight and narrow?
Come on, man.
It's a recorded space, though.
You're not going to say anything.
Yeah.
I actually went right into the, man, I went into the crypto business and went to trading.
And I didn't even, I kind of like stepped into it not even meaning to um i was
already trading so i went to put everything i had on when i got out into forex trading and become
successful at it and then started really getting into the crypto and stuff and i started showing
it on facebook and um i ended up building a multi-million dollar business off of facebook
And I ended up building a multimillion dollar business off of Facebook.
No kidding.
Yeah.
And that was, I got out in 2014 and we know what happened in 2017.
And I was, had a crew with me, built a business.
And then all of my money went to 20,000.
Wow.
Yeah.
And so, yeah. And, you know. Enjoy know join life huh yeah i have i have um and then
did another bad you know there's another bad story um we were just talking about clones and copies
and stuff like that um through the years of having this business um at the end of 2021, my team decided to try to take me out and take the business and clone everything I did.
So the last four years have been back to darkness in a way, but more personal darkness of how I ever let that happen.
Did they just basically like take the name and everything?
Yeah, or the webmaster. They just all got together and kind of attacked me in a way that took all the community.
And there was Facebooks and there was telegrams and there was discord and there was a website um yeah it was it was a full four-man
attack um and they opened up the next day with the training and everything and um they weren't
successful but you do that to a community of crypto money too because i do all the markets
and they just absolutely destroyed everything that I had spent.
They had been with me for four or five years.
So, and, you know, there's more to the story, but.
Oh, the irony.
Greed, right?
You end up getting burned by greed again, but this time it was somebody else's.
Yeah.
After just an enormous pull, too, which was was absolutely insane. And they split the community in half by taking the community and the people they took.
They made them or got them to believe we were going to 100.
And so, yeah, and they just absolutely demolished everybody that went with them
and it just created a mess for me man I've yet to be able to recreate anything
like that after they did that oh man I've pretty much given up and I'm trying
to do that and just kind of shift it in the other word can you tell us what the
name of the thing was or um business was TCL Education or Trade Crypto Live was what it was called.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, TCL is what they called it, Trade Crypto Live.
I know.
I mean, I've been, I don't know.
So do you, okay.
Maybe you can give me some insight.
You knew what you were doing. You were motivated by selling, uh,
selling prescriptions, right?
Um, well, I sold two training programs. Um,
one that beginner went for 500 and then advanced one for 2,500.
And then I had a VIP, um VIP that got up to about 300 people.
Oh, dang.
And so you would just basically design like an algorithm?
Is that all you were doing?
What do you mean by algorithm?
When you say a trading platform, like, no, no, no, no, no, no.
You're teaching people how to like like, how to reach markets, essentially?
Yeah, I made, I developed two training programs and I sold the training programs.
And then I brought them into the community and gave them, you know, one-on mentorship with them.
And I had a team of four people that I hired.
So I had a payroll of 20 grand a month from 2018 to 2021 when we hit that top,
and they did what they did.
So I had four full-time men, a fundamental man.
I hired a teacher to teach the basic stuff,
and then I had two other guys that helped me with customer service
and clients and websites and shit like that.
So what's your advice now, man?
We all need to know.
How do we all get rich now?
I was the TA man with silver.
I made the silver call.
Of course, everybody did, but I made it back in February.
And I just recently, well, the recent call was copper, which is after it crashed.
So I do all the markets, and I've kind of shifted into Forex.
I do all the markets and I've kind of shifted into Forex. So, and I'm kind of trying to,
the crypto and all the stuff that's happened in the crypto industry, there's like a million of
me now. Back in the day, there was hardly anybody that did what I did. Right now, it's like I can't
even get through it all to get anybody to listen to you if nobody knows who you are um and
after all this happened i destroyed myself for four years i said you know what they're
gonna talk they did all this to me and i just pretty much removed myself and just
something nobody wanted to have anything to do to just kind of finish destroying myself and start
just kind of finish destroying myself
and starting over.
Silver was the last play, you know,
around 30 or so. Now
we should get an alt season
for Trump, but
if you guys pay attention
to the group, you know how that is right now.
Yeah, for sure.
That's what I was
terrible. It's been pretty bad, honestly.
Yeah, terrible. The worst ever. That's what I was. Terrible. It's been pretty bad, honestly. Yeah, terrible.
The worst ever.
It's true.
And my foundation of my training was no hold from day one.
And that's how I made a name for myself because everybody was holding.
And I was like, no hold from day one.
That was my tagline.
I'm no hold and no rush in the crew.
Because everybody was in a damn rush.
Everybody was FOMO head. Nobody wanted to hear anything about a bear and i'm a bear um if there's anything about me that i'm like super good at it's short trading and a bear and obviously that gets
under a critter of people's skin and very much so in the early days. Right. So.
I feel like I've been a bear for a while.
Because I don't think people are, I guess, honest about what the value is of this space.
Like, I think it's too, it's overblown.
You know, you don't need blockchains for a whole lot.
So, I think it's a good, it's a great form of money. There's probably some other edge cases, but for the most part,
centralized systems are better in order to do a lot of things. What crypto is good at is the
permissionless stuff, you know? And so if you're selling some pitch this is like let me go with that guys in
here you know a mass adoption or what's like mass adoption is never happening i think they're very
pessimistic because people don't use it even the most uh rabid uh participants in the space don't use the coin. That's a bad sign. Yeah, I agree. I agree. I mean,
definitely how that goes.
The space and the whole thing from Dave, when I first
got into it and exposed myself and got into communities
and watched it all, it's so different. All the different narratives
and coins and different groups of people that showed up. It's just not the same
anymore. Obviously, the bank showed up as well. Yeah, yeah, for sure. It's apples and oranges
compared to 2017, 2018 and now with what you deal with and what's out there.
This is you and me. You and Animal Left.
I know, man.
If you get ready to shut it down, don't worry about me, man.
I've been working all day.
I got a few of you guys' spaces that I'm trying to just show up to.
No, I appreciate it.
I was actually hoping I would get some.
I don't announce these early enough, and I probably need more specific.
I was doing all the crypto stuff, and i had a good audience from crypto people because
i'd always talk light coin and i just got tired of it you know i got like i don't know i was like
i just need some variety to me it wasn't i didn't want to spend my time talking about something
over and over and over again that to me was i I don't know, I'd talked it to death.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
It wasn't my business.
It's like talking Bitcoin.
You can talk Bitcoin to death too, you know?
Yeah, any coin.
Yeah, any topic.
And we always got into different things anyway.
And what I always wanted to do was broaden the audience.
But, you know, I'm going, I also haven't been nearly as active as i used to be
so i kind of that kind of threw a loop everything threw anything for a loop i lost i wouldn't say
i lost any audience but people just weren't as excited to show up and we were in a bear market
and all this stuff but um yeah i want to have better variety of conversations cuz I don't know there's a
part of me that feels like we have to talk because of the things I was saying
earlier like the more we can have genuine conversations about I guess less
like non-judgmental conversations about things I think that's the only way we're going to heal whatever wounds we've got. Yeah, I agree.
I agree, man.
Yeah, I found that with the spaces, and that's what drew me to the spaces,
and it keeps me coming back, was the metal spaces was really where I got turned on
turned on to coming and showing up and speaking was listening to the metal folks and um that was
to coming and showing up and speaking, was listening to the metal folks.
kind of my first yeah my first dip in with um the silver squeeze people and listening to some really
good folks talk about silver and i was already on them in my charts you know i i'd already made the
calls and then i went digging to find out well hey you know i got because people want to know why
you know i can show you a chart all
day long and you can watch me and see that how good i am and all that but in the end they still
want to know why um and so when i started kind of going into the metals i was like you know i need
to go get educated and listen to some real metal people and the stackers really lit my head up the bank that silver can be used as money
just like crypto um and then that friction between the metal people and the crypto people
and there's a real friction because there's a there's some of them that just love bashing on
bitcoin because the metal folks went through such a period of of the bit of the the big crypto people picking on them
which i had nothing to do with i pick on peter yeah but i don't i don't pick on like
this crew that i found and these people i started engaging with i didn't even know they existed um
so um it that that's kind of what i kind of fell into. There's different pockets of these folks. And then, um,
what happens is some of those groups like to try to take people like me and
set me up,
rip my head off for like stealing people or doing this or doing that.
But I'm not that type of person.
yeah,
I know what you mean.
And,
it's funny that you say that because i was uh
talking to a buddy of mine that he used to come in here all the time and i was like you know
the thing i wish like the light coin foundation would do is engage more with metals like there's
there's probably silver stacker conventions and stuff you know and those people at least get the whole
concept of hey here's an alternative money like they're a good target i guess is what i was
thinking as far as if you're trying to bring new people into the light coin community
that's a good place to start right there's quite a bit of them and that's the next thing i found is
the the the merging of those people the metal their stockers, but they also like their exotis, light coin and this or that.
And they're good people and they're not like a lot of the critter bros because a lot of the critter bros, you know, you have these spaces and stuff.
They show up to SHIELD, they show up to sell their subs, they show up to show off their ego or this or that.
And I've been doing it too long to listen to somebody do that.
Yeah, it's almost like it's an age thing.
Like, I don't got time for this nonsense.
Yeah, I think they get excited about it.
And there's so many accounts and crypto companies now and all this stuff.
And I look at them like, man, y'all ain't got no paying clients.
I know they don't.
Not many.
I've been in this industry.
I've watched the banks just spread it.
And now you get new people into your crypto.
Who's getting them?
The banks.
Yeah.
No, and I've, you know, from day one, I never, you know know you were a chart guy I was never a
chart guy cuz I was I don't hey what I didn't want to do would get people so
hyped up that they're out dumping money into crypto that they shouldn't be
dumping money into you know it's a very risky world you got to be very i mean and i put i would say i've put too much in
but like it's i don't know it's um a certain level of risk that you you know you know what
your appetite is you can't over leverage yourself and break yourself because i didn't like i didn't
feel like that was the reason i i didn't even i didn't even set out to even do this in any kind of way i just fell into it it's kind of like me man you know what got me into this tika tuari
you know i'm taking speaking about uh no the on 10 coins and 10 million and the jets and all that
stuff thoroughly does no yes i get into crypto in 20 uh Maybe 16. I'm trying to remember.
I didn't know much of him.
He was around then.
But I wasn't actively involved, though.
Tika and a group.
I landed in a Facebook group with him.
And the guys came at me that were running the group.
And said, hey said hey man we've
been watching you post charts and talk to our people and i didn't even know what group i didn't
know if group had been seated like it had i was a nervy man when it come down to it i could do the
charts and i had different charts than everybody else but when it came to the wallets and all that
i was the one asking questions and um they came to me after a while and offered me quite a bit of money
to make training programs but they had a whole bunch of shady shit going on with their they had
a hedge fund guy in there and they had this young kid in there and i'm just not wanting to keep my
mouth shut so it turned into them absolutely deleting me um from their group after they
offered to pay me quite a bit of money
but I'm not stupid either so by that time I had done moved a bunch of people that I met in that
group to a Slack room so I got talking and just a couple guys grabbed me and said hey man you know
you know what Slack is I'm like hell no I don't know what Slack is and we went and opened up a
Slack and then I built it from there.
And then when they deleted me out of their group, it pissed me all so bad.
I went and opened a Facebook group, and I got 100 people in it.
And I just started building, and I never looked back.
And, you know, I got a good, solid Facebook group built of about 10,000 people
that was clean as hell that
function rather well before all this happened but actually it was before the
team did what they did to me Facebook we had moved it to school and then we had
moved to television
I'm making too much noise I apologize I kind of wonder
that sounds like cappuccino or something
there
you're close
I'm making pizza
I'm making pizza sauce
at one point I was like I know he's not
chopping what I think he's chopping
I was like
what do you think this is
I know I'm just saying
I heard the chopping and and my brain was like,
you never know who you're dealing with.
That is true.
That is true.
Those onions, dude, onions and garlic.
I figured that's what I would have said.
It's me and you, so I figured I could say whatever, but they do record it, right?
But I am recording it, yeah.
Well, it's funny, because I've gone back and forth on that.
Some people don't like to show up to recorded spaces.
But then I'd always get people who want to listen after the fact.
So I'd be like, well, I'd go back and forth.
And I ultimately decided, like, no, not everybody can participate.
And in a way, recording it also keeps out some people that might derail a conversation, you know.
Because they just, you know, they want to come in and troll unrecorded spaces, I guess.
I don't know.
It's a weird existence.
But I don't know.
I'm hoping I can grow this thing to get a real reach.
Because, of course, you know, we all think we have the best ideas.
And so I do think, I think we are desperately needing to figure out how to talk to each other in the age of the Internet.
And these are the only forum I see that actually allows for that, you know.
It allows people to sit here unfiltered, speak their voice and experience.
I was really surprised at the metal spaces because I watched this group take the metal space and build it.
The first time I joined in, the guy who was running the space, they had Peter Schiff as a guest.
And he let me speak to Peter Schiff.
And I've been doing cryptography for like eight years and never, ever.
I just trolled Peter Schiff.
And so I raised my hand.
And before I knew it, I was a speaker.
And I was like, wow.
You know, and I didn't troll him or nothing.
I had about a 30-minute discussion.
What was that?
I honestly don't hate Peter Schiff.
I listen to his there's a lot that he says is not wrong.
Yeah, I don't hate him either.
I just you know, he attacked the industry while he was building my company and consistently.
So, you know, and then when I got to speak to him, I told him I told him I said, Peter,
man, I've trolled you for years and he just laughed at me.
I didn't. me yeah i appreciate that
about him he's an honest actor i guess then he you know i talked to him for 30 minutes in the
last 10 minutes he sealed his gold stuff and that's the part of him i don't like you know
and i listen i was you know i was respectful when i listened to him, but in the back of my mind, I'm like, Peter, why?
After all these years, this is what you got to do.
Bigger.
Well, I mean, I don't know because it's part of his, it was coming after his gold brand, you know, but he, I listened to his podcasting, you know, he's dead on. A lot of stuff. He taught me a lot about free markets and, you know, taxation.
And I just think he's, yeah, it's telling when somebody hates other guys just because
he hates Bitcoin.
Yeah, they just, you know, he uses it.
He uses the energy.
He's just as guilty as the trolls are in so many ways if you
watch him he's he's baiting it all to get exposure um and i get that part because i've done it for
years you know i'll play anybody if i can bait them um especially online because sometimes it's
hard to get people to pay attention to you until you get this person or that person to um to uh show some kind of
interest in you yep yep well you know dude i think i am gonna end it okay take an early night for
once and uh i'll try to get more people next week i guess i will um i will show up man um i'm don't
have anything scheduled for this night you got somebody to to show up, man? Jose. Jose.
Jose, sorry, man.
You have to listen to the recording.
It was a quiet night tonight.
But I appreciate you coming in again. I know you like to participate.
All right, guys.
All right, buddy.
Talk to you another time.
All right.
We'll see you all next week.
Take it easy.
Bye. you on next week.
