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Who should win in a Music Battle? 👀🌊⚔️🌊 | Presented x ZABAL
Recorded: Feb. 12, 2026 Duration: 1:41:30Space Recording
Short Summary
In a vibrant discussion, participants explored the integration of AI in music production, the potential of Facebook Marketplace as a marketing tool, and the evolving landscape of music consumption. Key insights included the importance of emotional resonance in music, the financial implications of using advanced tools like Vercel, and the growing acceptance of AI technologies in the creative industry.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. yes sir yes sir
let me get candy up here
yes sir louis it is dewey
what up dog
pop it gang What up, dawg? Pop it, gang.
There you go.
You back at it again.
Back at it again.
Shit.
What about yourself?
Just currently eating breakfast.
Uh-oh.
What's on the menu?
You said some brownies?
Some tamales.
Oh, tamales for breakfast.
You feel me?
I'm good to go buy tamales. You can eat that shit? And tamales. Oh, tamales for breakfast. You feel me? I didn't get to buy tamales.
You can eat that shit for breakfast, lunch, or dinner.
Man, how come I didn't know that, bro?
Now you don't.
True.
That's why I think it's, like, so popular in the man.
It don't matter what time it is, bro.
That's actually sauce, bro.
You didn't hit on Evergreen, bro. Exactly. It hits, bro. You didn't hit on the evergreen, bro.
Exactly.
It hits, like, different factors.
It gives different value.
You feel me?
So, like, you know, talking about, like, great products and, you know, great things.
Like, they don't just hit one thing.
Hmm.
Agreed.
Agreed.
So, what would be the value, say, that tamales bring, bro?
What do you mean?
It's an authentic, traditional, like technically.
I wouldn't consider it a meal, but it'll fill you up.
You know?
So it can be a meal.
I feel that, bro.
I feel that.
That's absolute gas, bro.
Shout out to tamales.
And it's only for $5, bro.
And in today's market, bro, people love that.
How big is the Tamale?
So this is our second week.
We made them like two times bigger, bro.
So now they're like, you feel me?
Now they'll fill you up.
And they might fill you up so much that you might have to save it for later.
Good God almighty, bro. One Tamale, bro. up and they might throw you up so much that you might have to save it for later good god almighty
bro one tamale bro and that's hard to see the way you talking right now making me think damn i need
to try one of these i'm telling you bro pull up to jersey you know what i'm saying type shit bro
but yo uh let me oh we got candy up on the stage too. Shout out to Flowey in the building.
Certified Betty.
And this hoe.
You know what I'm saying?
We got that, what's it called?
Last night, pinned up top, bruh.
Definitely a vibe last night.
I think folks starting to understand.
I think folks starting to get it.
Shout out to Skydaville, yo.
In the building.
Fire ass music, dawg.
You already know.
Hey, Nigeria is taking over the space, bruh.
You know what I'm saying?
Flowey in the building.
Sky in the building.
I'm in the building.
Yeah, let's get it.
What's good, yo?
Let's say what's up to Candy real quick.
She came up on the stagey.
What's good, Candy?
What do you think about my last message about the homepage that I said?
Oh, I have to look at the last
one here.
While she's
looking, yo, repost this busy.
You don't need a deal. What's up, Candy?
Yeah.
Yeah, no, that sounds good.
So I was listening to a podcast last night.
This is not what I was going to say, but I'll say what I was going to say in a second.
I was listening to a podcast, actually it was early this morning, and it was with the CEO of Vercel and V0.
And I was using V0 uh for this reason but you i don't know if you've been in v0 recently
but like you know you can bring in uh you just put in your your github repo and then it just
will make a branch it makes a whole separate branch for you.
So you're working with your code base
when you're doing the front end changes.
So it's just on a separate branch, you know?
Right.
Just like GitHub.
Just like GitHub normally, you would do any changes.
like just like GitHub normally, like you would do any changes.
And I was using that and that's how like I was like able to like get where I was
and like feeling comfortable with where I was.
But I was thinking maybe you want to use that with the, you know, with the repo.
And that way you don't have to, um,
that way you can just like talk to it right there in V0 and like change all the, the front end stuff
that you feel like changing without having to worry about like, you know, if it's connecting
or like, you know, all sorts of like, whatever. Yeah.
Um, because I was going to say it's only, it's only $30 for the team plan for a month.
And I was thinking, uh, if we did the, the team plan, um, like I, if I i like i'd pay for it but like for the month i think then um it would give you
enough credits to like make all the types of like front-end changes that like you want to do that's
maybe a little more fancy than like you want to do just like in the code base. And then too, like I can just like come in and look at it as you're working on it.
And then that way I can give you feedback, like kind of on the fly.
And that way, you know, within the month, we'll have it like nailed down good.
But anyways, I was just thinking that like,
that's how I was able to like, feel so confident in what I
was doing with the homepage stuff was because of how V0 has all those abilities. And I was thinking
if it makes me feel that much better, and I don't even know what I'm doing. I can't imagine how it
would make you feel knowing what you're doing. You know what I mean? right right so so i was thinking like it would be worth the 30 bucks
for you to use that to be able to like really like then you could do like extra little glowy
shit or like liquefy the buttons or you know you could do like whatever fancier stuff that you might
not normally do without that yeah my, my only thing is like,
integrating it back into the homepage,
you know what I'm saying?
No, but that's what I'm saying though,
is that it's working on your repo.
So like, it's working,
it's all the components are already connected
when it's been doing it.
So like, you won't run into any errors
because it literally,
every change is being like committed just like
you're in github like the same as if you're doing oh that's tough yeah so like all the like the
technical parts behind the battles like all that stuff you don't even have to think about because
it's working on it in there so if you can't do it, it will show you right there. You know what I mean?
Say less. That's a bit.
So I was thinking that could be cool because then you could do like,
you know, like you still like want to kind of like watch the credits,
but like, I mean,
I've been doing stuff on the free plan and I've had like a pretty good amount
of credits to be able to like accomplish stuff,
even though I always run out,
but I more or less run out because I forget to like put more in the prompt.
You know what I mean?
But I think like for you,
with all the credits for the month,
it's like 30 credits or something.
And it takes like one credit or two credits for like each like
major change i think you would be able to like work through the whole home page make it look
and fly you know how you want it and and be able to get it all done without like you know just like
a lot easier say less yo let's do it let's do it yeah i think and i really think like when you see what i
mean when it pulls in the repo like it it's it's it's like native to github almost like if that
makes sense not to github it's like more like github's native to it whatever but you know what
i mean that's perfect wait i don't have to give access to the repo to any other thing right that's the
only thing no no no like you don't you just import it and it does everything on its own branch so
like you just like yeah so like it just says like okay same as what you would do in github
like no difference perfect man shit all right i think we i think we get that set up this weekend
and you know we just we just made that. that like you know the blueprint and the thing that i gave it to work on it's already like
working on like it was already using those components so i feel like if it's doing that
like for me really i shouldn't be doing any copy pasting it should be more or less like just
us sharing you know what i mean but in that, it's better that like, obviously you do it starting from where we're at, not me doing it starting from some make believe homepage.
Betty, Betty. Yeah. But I was going to say, honestly, for me, it would be like $30 well spent for us, for you to be able to easily like just fix the whole shebang.
That's a bet. And it sounds like it shouldn't take too long because you already did most of it.
You just got to organize it, make it look, you know what I'm saying? Presentable.
Well, and that's what I was saying. I was thinking, though, is that like you don't even need to really worry about the page that i've made i can just like give you like you know like
how i had like the three types of battles like if you like that part like i can just tell you what
i said or what i gave it to get that and then you can just like work on it right there and just do it because then
because whatever it gives it like to me it's got like a whole bunch of extra stuff that we want to
cut out and like things like that and i think that that is gonna take more time than me just telling
you like i did last night like about the data the schema than me just giving you a short prompt that i know it will
understand that that that that we can we cooking yo shout candy cooks in the building
hurt a little yeah no i think that's definitely uh i think it'll be a lot like quicker and smoother
and i think that you'll be able to make the homepage look better if we do it that way.
Yeah, we definitely going to get it popping, you know what I'm saying, for all these normies and shit that don't know what's going on.
The goal is that they go to wavewars.com and get it.
You know what I'm saying? Immediately.
Because we definitely have people get on the website and they don't know what the fuck they're doing.
You know what I mean?
So we got to make that easier for folks, make it simpler for folks. And then, you know, a lot of shit will start happening on its own, you know what i mean so so we got to make that easier for folks make it simpler for folks
and then you know a lot of shit will start happening on its own you know but uh yeah yo
what's up sorry i was just gonna say okay so the other thing i wanted to say was to louie
um so louie i was watching um one of my favorite podcasts it's uh greg eisenberg uh startup ideas podcast and he uh he went he was going into
a bunch of things that like tools that people like markets that need vibe coding that like
people are completely like sleeping on and one of those markets was a Facebook marketplace.
And he discovered that there's this whole like there's this whole like underground network, I guess you would say, of people who are like and I'm, how much it costs to order food from GitHub.
And then also how much it costs to make the same thing.
Like, would you go to buy meals for yourself?
So they have this whole like, I guess, underground economy going on Facebook marketplace of things they call plates.
they call plates and they're literally what you're doing with tamales so it's just people
And they're literally what you're doing with tamales.
cooking their food selling it to other people for a normal like price like what you're doing
um so i was gonna say you should uh for one you could hit up facebook marketplace as a marketing
channel for your company but But then also too,
like playing around on the whole vibe coding side,
you could like make a tool or something else that goes with what you're doing
that you could actually like eventually monetize
because like if you're in that network,
like you're gonna know that shit.
But yeah, that's
my two thoughts.
Yeah, that's huge,
Louie. I agree. I saw the same thing.
So, like, yeah, bro, Facebook
Marketplace is huge for
selling food, especially as your name gets out
there and your brand gets up, bro.
Folks are gonna repost and, you know, say and share that shit
out. But I'm telling you, folks are gonna be
all over for the tamales, bro. But, uh but uh yo let's say what's good stuff in the bill what's up loey thank
i'm good how you doing today who you can we call it and vibing vibing and cooling
oh i'm so sorry i know i've missed a lot of spaces you know it's just been crazy my network
in my country it's going crazy i just wanted to say like don't call me to speak because like i'm
in the bathroom right now yeah i just wanted to let you know yo yeah i know i go you know
what i'm saying space showers hit different yo space showers be hitting different you know
what i mean because you know you listen to the space you know you rubber dub scrubbing and all
of that yo i understand but uh shout out to flowy in the building shout out my g singer in the
building god cloudry is the great in this hoe shout gw skydab in the building shout grinding
ever since day one not day two you already know what to do but uh
yeah yo all y'all feel free to come up y'all want to come up we about to discuss last night we was
having a debate bruh because uh about the music battles and the outcomes and etc etc and you know
i was like bruh all right we'll we'll open up the space tomorrow and we'll chop it up and you know
get down to the bottom of this and you know over the night you know i had all of these insights bro i had so many insights that don't even make
sense so i realized because like when i first put up music battle you know the first people's
instinct would be like yo whoever whatever is the better music should win but like what constitutes better music you know what i'm
saying like like i want to know that from the from the audience like what what is better music
like what does that mean to you we'll start with god klaus and you came up on stage what's up dog
yo yo what's going on oh man i'm fucking tired of shit yo um but nah that that was a whole thing last
night yo that shit was crazy and yo and louis you got 24 hours to respond bro dude called you out
yo he was i didn't quite wait what he said because i was driving so i didn't even like i just heard
like towards the end that he said something about me so i didn't even hear it oh what happened i
you know what honestly bro i don't really under i know he said your name me. So I didn't even hear what happened. You know what?
Honestly, bro, I don't really understand.
I know he said your name.
I couldn't tell you in the context.
I know the context.
I know the context.
So he was saying, because, you know,
remember when he first came in and we was like, yeah,
Louis been winning a lot or whatever.
He's like, I'm going to come for the top dog, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And then, you know, that's kind of where it came from. But, I mean, he been talking a lot, bro. He's like, I'm going to come for the top dog, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then, you know, that's
kind of where it came from. But I mean,
he been talking a lot, bro.
I remember what he said.
Louis, he said, I think, I think,
I think, go back and listen, but he said you're living
life as another man
and that you don't understand, which I don't
understand what that means either, but that's what
he said. You got 24 hours to respond to that.
But anyway, with the music shit. So so listen this is bro that is not worthy
brother i was like yo what the what but um anyway um yeah so you know i and to kind of go back to
what was going on last night i hear what he was saying you know and i to kind of go back to what was going on last night, I hear what he was saying, you know, and I hear what you're saying to Hurricane.
Like, if you're not familiar with the Wave Wars format, especially with the quick battles, because it's a really particular thing, you know, nothing else like it.
I've never seen anything like it before, you know.
And if you're seeing that, it's like, oh, OK.
Like, but at the same time, it's like, hey, understand this is what this is.
These are apples. these are oranges this isn't like a rap battle that's judged by you know by by you
know by some judges who are who do this this is these are traded battles you know what i mean so
it's like okay if whatever's happening on the charts i think is what dictates the um you know
which is what dictates the winner it's not necessarily the song all the time it might be like oh shit well these people bought here they sold there oh shit like this song might be better
you know quote unquote better let's just say better production better arrangement um you know
whatever the fuck more relatable i don't know um but if people are selling on it why would anybody
else want to you know hold on and when you know that shit's about to dump you know uh so i think what i'm just going to offer a quick solution obviously music is
objective or whatever but i think when we're doing these you know uh even like with the featured
battles that the judges need to be more like carefully selected there needs to be a curation
on the judging process like if
if it's um because canon and i were talking about this you know because i wanted to do uh you know
for his and or for mine and his battle i wanted to just go the three rounds acapella rap battle
like what i've seen him do you know but he was like he didn't think that it was gonna
go over well that people might not have understood it and you know I'm like damn dude like that that
makes sense because again I go back to the geek myth Yoshiro battle where something like two of
the like I judged on that but the other two judges were like I've never heard music like Yoshiro's
which was blowing my mind because I've been to raves that have gone on for 14 hours with stuff like that, you know?
So, yeah, if we're going to have judges, I think that we need to be careful, or not be careful, but be selective and say, okay, we're doing this type of music.
These judges should know about this type of music and know what is, you know, what, you know, what's represented within it.
You dig it?
So, yeah, that's that's just something that I would suggest.
And obviously, it's hard.
It's impossible to say what's good music, what's better music.
But I think the judging process is what needs to be properly curated and paid attention to.
OK, that's a good point.
We have heard this before.
And also the whole idea of like uh
pre-selected judges etc etc my only thing with that is uh we do give the the ability for the
artists to accept the judges you know i'm saying like i'll usually ask you know like if a judge
gets picked i'm like to the artist yo is this a judge y'all y'all fuck with this judge y'all good with that and then like if they said you know it's down because
like obviously at our stage right now it's hard to get like the industry professionals and well
you know what i'm saying well no i hear you i hear you a quick question though has anybody ever
rejected a judge is that ever absolutely yeah bro yeah oh shit yeah i didn't know that okay yeah
dog whenever somebody's like oh nah nah
they friends with blah blah they'll be like okay all right say less you know what i mean so yeah
right now in our current state i think uh just the artist acceptance is the best kind of filter we
have on that but uh you know as we get bigger etc etc i'm sure you know we'll have like industry
motherfuckers
that wanna have their voice be heard.
Cause I do agree, that's the best case for the judges
to be like, I don't think all of them though.
I don't think all of the judges
should be industry professionals.
I think one of them definitely should be.
And then one of them should definitely be a man on the street
that's probably never heard the music before.
Why that's valuable is like, it's like you get that perspective of, because I was thinking last night about like, what does Wave Wars really, what does it really represent?
Like, what do the outcomes really represent?
And what I, the conclusion I came to is, is it, it represents what music wins in the real world not in the in the fantasy world of
you know engineer just engineers that are like yo this one has you know five db higher than the
other one you know i'm saying or not in just you know like the artist world like this shit got more
transitions than her or in the beat maker world but like in the real world you know
what i'm saying and that that implies more factors like the crowd you know the man on the street the
the uh even money you know what i'm saying like if are people willing to invest in this artist in
this music or is that artist willing to invest in themselves you know what i mean like that's what
i realized wave wars is really is really
given us like it's given us like a kind of real world proxy of what would win in the real world
type shit you know what i mean but uh well i saw steele with his hand up what's up bro
yo what up uh yeah uh yeah yesterday was i was it was funny. Um, yeah, you know, I think instead of like, maybe the judges, you could look at the other angle, maybe like specifying the criteria, you know, before the battle, you know, and I think like, I kind of, I kind of like, you know, touched on this, like when I first started, because I wasn't really sure, remember?
sure remember and because i think what it is is what he was looking for was like a straight music
battle you know and that's what i thought like i thought it was going to be like song for song
like what's better you know and of course it's opinionated like it's very opinionated but like
uh sometimes it'll be song like straight up that you're like what the heck like how did that win
you know and that's that's how that's where like, like the discrepancy could come, you know? Um, like I,
even last night, you know, like there was one song that won and God, you know, I think I remember
God card going like, yeah, like, Oh no, I hear you. You know, I feel you like, you know, cause
we, we heard catalyst track and it was hard and we're like oh that's that shit hit so i think it's just like
you know you could look at other angles instead of the judges it could be like just specifying
the criteria for that specific battle and then like yeah it's just like i'm telling you that
like for me i thought it was going to be like music battle you know but like the trading is
a whole nother thing so it's more of like a trading battle and the music is like
you know along is like the meme so it's just i think the wording you know needs could be you
know maybe like better because it's going to keep happening where people keep coming in and they
don't understand you know like well wait you know and so i you know, and so I, you know, I kind of felt him, you know, and I understood
him. But yeah, definitely. And then like, you know, Rocky came in, and he was like, in the
middle of thing, he thought, you know, he was a big argument or something. It wasn't, it was just
a good debate. And at the same time, he was, he was getting like, a little too comfortable,
you know, so it's like, you know, he was trying to save him from little too comfortable, you know? So it's like, you know,
he was trying to save him from getting too comfortable because as time goes on,
he was like getting, you know, more and more and more and more. So,
you know, we all,
we all were speaking different languages a little bit,
but we were all like definitely communicating on the same, you know,
what we want. So just, I think like keep communicating,
keep talking about it, you know what we want so just um i think like keep communicating keep talking about it
you know but yeah yeah bro definitely definitely uh a balance to acquire i think uh i think the
featured battles definitely give like a more accurate result than the than the quick battles
but uh i still think i have a lot of thoughts you well let's let's say it was good to x deep and then
god cloud you know i'm saying and see grounded ever since they went to the building too shout
bitty in the building bitty barracuda shout warp pit in the building yo feel free to come if y'all
want to come up what's up extinct bro welcome to the space yo what's up first of all last night
was hella fun regardless of the trauma bonding that we're
having right now um you know and you know this is just my opinion for sure who should win in a music
battle whoever fucking brings it that's who should fucking win that's you know like because i feel
like even if the charts are there right that's just one part of it but it's like it's kind of
like how you guys were sharing right it's like it's kind of like how you guys
were sharing right it's like Yoshiro comes in these judges never heard this type of music but
they fuck with it so they're gonna like you know support it too so it's like it's not even about
who's supporting who or who comes from what community or who's friends with who
because it it's also like yo is this a banger or is it trash you know because i feel like bangers
are always gonna stand out you know classic hits are classic hits for a fucking reason
and you know i feel like we should just let the music do the talking bro i feel that and honestly
let me let me say this too bro because like although people could say it's the outlier or
whatever like there is definitely trash ass songs that are fucking popular, bro.
There's definitely, you know what I'm saying?
That go the fuck up, bro.
That are not, like, clean or whatever.
That are not, whatever, structured properly.
Bruh, that's why I'm like, yo, there's something deeper to this, bro.
Like, we can't judge a music battle strictly off technicalities, bro.
That cannot be the measure.
You feel me?
Because at the end of the day, it's dealing with humans, bro.
And humans resonate with different shit.
So, like, to find what the majority of humans resonate with, I think, is the key of what we're trying to hone in on.
But I see God Cloud with his hand up.
What's up, dawg?
Yeah, yeah.
No, I like what you just said, too, man.
Because me, personally, I'm from that old school mixtape era.
Buying burned CDRs from the corner store when I'm getting my Dutch Palmas.
You know what I'm saying?
And I love that shit.
I love that sound.
I love live Nirvana more than I do studio Nirvana.
And they sound like two completely different fucking bands if you've ever, like, listened to them, you know?
And I think, too, when stuff like that's happening, I think just explaining, like, hey, this is what we're doing here.
this is what we're doing here this is what's happening tonight you know and i it's like i
This is what's happening tonight, you know?
feel like it's like hey dude we had to make this rule because of you type shit not saying you
hurricane but you know because of what happened last night we had to put this sign up because of
a shit happened the other day you know but when people are coming up thinking it's a bad, it's like, hey, listen, are you
familiar with what we do here? No? Okay, well, listen, all right, if you feel some type of way,
take it to the charts, but this is what we're doing here, and that's got to be the end of it,
like, I get the whole existential argument, but another thing, too, maybe we could do
that won't, like, really be taken into consideration because the quick battles are
the quick battles, maybe just do a quick little audience poll just just to give motherfuckers
something to do just to make it feel like hey man instead of taking it out on on the space and
Trying to rap poor Louie to death, you know, just take it out on this on this
Sorry.
Yo, brother, I was like, oh, God.
Brother I was like oh god did he really just
Did he really just said that shit?
Yo, that shit pissed me off.
Yo, you remember his first line?
I was about to rap battle his ass, too, for Louie.
I had a whole six verse ready.
Wait, wait.
What did you say, ZeeLo?
Does anybody remember his first line?
What was his first line?
He's like, Louie, yeah i was like god damn dude
he said he said he called me a bitch yeah bro that was his first for when he
started rapping bro that's the first thing he said i was like what did louis do
see i missed that the
only thing i heard was living as another man like what the fuck is he stealing people's identities
like wearing like the mustache and the nose glasses pretending to be other people like
oh man bro yeah i don't know bro there's a there's a what's it called in the 42 40 laws of power or whatever that book y'all know what book
i'm talking about it says like one of the ways to like gain uh power or whatever is to go go up in
some shit and start causing a fuss you know what i'm saying and start causing problems bro and so
like i don't know if he read that book i don't know if if that's how he's moving, bro. But he was doing some crazy.
People can come up here and talk and talk and talk.
But at the end of the day, when it comes to putting their music to battle, they're silent.
They don't got no action.
They can't come up here and verse nobody.
Why?
Because silently in the elephant room, they're insecure about their music.
They're scared. And so they know that they can't verse. Because silently in the elephant room, they're insecure about their music.
They're scared.
And so they know that they can't verse.
I mean, specifically me up in this week.
Because if you're coming up here and talking shit, you better fucking walk your talk, bro.
Because I'm here ready to battle anybody that's really here to fucking put up their fucking music up to board.
Right? And I'm trying to battle somebody with quality because if I don't battle
somebody with quality it's gonna be something like last round like last battle I'm just gonna
beat them in two rounds bro with four songs bro that is that that was predictable bro for me I
need somebody that I need to battle somebody for real and honestly I'm trying to get my checklist
up but I don't but besides that because I didn't hear none of that right um and talking about like
you know something that's worthable respondable like, like, you know, I'm going to go back and hear that repeatable.
But to me, like Casper, he's not, he's not respondable to me.
Like, you know, like he has no music, bro.
Like, you know, but I'm going to go back and hear it.
And then, you know, if he comes up and, you know, we're going to talk, we're going to squash it and talk it and see and see what's up.
But I do want to talk about like, our previous conversations like with the judges and specifically right
Um, you know, we did have this conversation
I had this this this thought as well as myself as myself when I came up and like um, like discovered we were I was like yo
Like there should be like, you know, a more like
um quality of judges
Right because initially right um, you know people who make, right? Because initially, right, you know,
people who make music, right,
they wanna be judged by, you know,
the way they make their music,
by the way they put the art, you know, their craft,
the way they get creative,
and some people don't really understand that, right?
And so the nature about WaveWor specifically
is that it's like WaveWor, it's like the jungle for me,
right, you just don't,'t like you're going into the jungle
You don't know what kind of animals are there that you're gonna face
The only way that you're gonna know is if you've gone to war if you if you've gone to jungle before if you've gone to the jungle before
Then you're gonna understand what are certain things right and so initially this is it right?
Everybody's random so the first round right if's random. So the first round, right? If the judges are random,
the first round, it's going to be, you know, it's going to be like almost, almost in ways even
because nobody knows what the judges are judging for unless they say it. Like me, I remember when
I was a judge one day, I said, I was like, yo, if my right leg taps, then you know what I'm saying?
That's a hitter. And that means it's vibes. I'm vibing, you know what I'm saying, that's a hitter. And that means it's vibes.
I'm vibing.
You know what I'm saying? I'm trying to vibe, you know?
So understanding that and then being able to understand the environment, the game, and to adapt for second and third round.
Right?
That's all within us individuals.
Another thing.
Bro, people always make excuses for everything.
It's always people blaming everything, everybody, any other, even in professional judges.
Oh, he's on the left. He's on the right. Oh, he's a girl. He's a man. Oh, he's Latino. He's black. He's white.
Everybody's always making excuses for something, bro. You know what I'm saying?
So honestly, like, put your chips up. If you believe in'm saying? So honestly, like, put your chips up.
If you believe in something, if you believe in something, put your chips up.
You know?
Another one.
You know, the battle, the trades, the judges, all dictated by the people.
Everybody's here.
Everybody's dictated by the community.
The votes, the value is dictated by the community. votes the value is dictated by the community
This is a people driven
model
Right
Hurricane is a host the traders are the people the musicians bring their people just like in real life
Right people who like their music will come in support
People who know their music will come into support talking about like good music out in the world who don't get as much numbers.
There's a lot of good music that hasn't even been seen.
Has zero views.
Because they don't even know how to promote it.
They don't know how to put it out there in the world.
Right?
So this is part of the game.
This is part of this environment.
Not just in Wave Wars, but in the world.
Right?
Know how to move. We a social human beings right and you know last thing about her can say about investing in ourselves
right
That's you know, that's that goes within everywhere as well to not and not just financially
Right in all kinds of skills. We should be able to learn how to talk. We should be able to learn how to
Right. And all kinds of skills. We should be able to learn how to talk. We should be able to learn how to communicate with people.
We should be able to learn how to, you know, release positive energy right to the world instead of, you know, maybe getting emotional and getting trapped into this this other dimension that, you know, that it's disrupting us from the real value, from the real goals.
That's us getting better. Us sharpening our swords right um entertaining
entertainment right this is entertainment right don't get don't get that confused
right but at the same time go hard for what you do but don't get that confused this is
entertainment let's go hard um and no let's go crazy Yeah, I'm still oh you're gonna let Louie talk about you like that
No, hold on hold on a steal oh like steal it wasn't my last battle
You know mose was my last battle
You know honestly I should have gotten stealer with two rounds to to be honest
We all we all know you know I'm saying I should have gotten a stealer with two rounds too, to be honest. Ah, that's crazy. You know what I'm saying?
We all know, you know what I'm saying?
Everybody trying to see a third round.
But this is how I'm coming, bro.
So, like, if you really come up here and step up like Casper did, like, I don't know who else did, bro.
You better come up here and be ready for it.
Man, guys, bro.
Yo, let's see what Candy got to say.
What up, Candy?
Okay, sorry, I was running for the mute button.
in our little spiel in the beginning.
Okay, so for one thing, I think that it would be beneficial for us to add in our little, like, spiel in the beginning.
These are live-created music battles
for kind of somewhere in there
where you say they're not the typical music battle.
They're for all genres.
I think mentioning that...
One second here.
I'm sorry.
I think that mentioning for all genres is beneficial.
Okay.
And then, okay, I'll have to come back.
I'm sorry.
Shout out my G-Bed, yo.
Causing havoc out here.
But yo, Sneak, extinct bro you want to say something
yeah i kind of want to like continue what candy was kind of saying um but from my own perspective
right because i don't really know what she was going to share completely um i was going to say
like i think it would be cool if before the battle starts right artists could give like their spiel
about like what the song is about
you know or like where their mind was at when they created it or what tools did they use
you know because it's like you know when when i hear music is like like sometimes you guys put
ai music versus like the real musician but it's cool when you do it like with the same artist
right but like what about future battles where it's like okay this artist brings an ai track and then this other artist has put their entire heart and soul
into this raw fucking demo you know so it's like you know judging it based off of that right
technicality like that could be a factor or it might not be right maybe it's just like okay which
one brings the vibe because what if that heart and soul is is very phantom ish and ghostish and it's like what even is this bro like
just just throw the scrap metal away bro like this shit needs to be recycled do not pass go
you know so like it can go any type of way right but as long as we have some type of background as
to like where the artist was at how it was made and maybe like put a little poll so
people feel included right and they're like okay which one do you vibe with more okay cool but you
didn't put any soul up because you don't bother to participate with your phantom wallet because
you're not nerdy enough whatever like anyway i'm gonna shut up yo yo that's interesting case bro
because i was thinking about that too man i was thinking about that last night and I was like, bro,
if an artist really wanted to win on the charts, bro, like,
and they, and they put their chips on the charts and like, even it,
the reason I think that like, uh, the charts kind of,
kind of helped that is the fact that they could lose money for trying to
change the outcome. You know what I'm saying?
And I think that's more
That's I don't know it makes more sense. You feel me cuz like
Number one if they really want to change the outcome they will be taking their own risk You know what I mean? And if if
And if they leave it to the crowd or whatever they still you know I'm saying they don't know what's gonna happen
Like the crowds really gonna decide, you know? But I think the whole idea of the poll
that Godcloud was saying and what you just said,
I think we gotta do that.
But that's like two factors, you feel me?
Two fact authentication.
Cause like my thing is like,
what if one wins the polls and one wins the charts?
You know what I'm saying?
Then folks is gonna be like,
then it's like, what a tie?
Like, you know what I mean? Like how do we be like then it's like what a tie like you know what i mean like how do we do that what's up what's up god cloud yeah that's what i'm
saying like the the polls are just like you know just like some extra shit just the it has no
influence on whatever it could just be like hey because again the quick battles honestly how i see it it should just be
like hey man the cop that conversation shouldn't even gone that long it should have been like yo
dude this is what the fuck we're doing this is it we do this and it's like this that's it it should
have just ended like that there should have been nothing else but like i said if we got to put a
sign up we got to put a sign up because motherfuckers are like oh my god oh my god let the sign be
those polls let the sign be those polls. Let the sign be those polls.
Like, let the, like, hey, don't take your drinks outside
because there's, you know,
you can't have liquor on the fucking sidewalk, you know?
Let those, let the audience polls be that,
be that sign, you know what I'm saying?
So it doesn't even have to be like,
well, it's a tie, it's a this, it's a that,
because it never, it was never, you know,
the quick battles were never meant to be that
anyway right you know what i mean so i think bro just came in looking for apples and we're like
yo we have oranges he's like yo but you haven't ever had an apple yeah dude but okay so why why
not why don't you have no apples you know what i mean that's what the fuck was happening so i don't
think we need to even it don't even need to be all this no i feel that bro i feel that and another
point the reason i like what you said about the poll thing, and even in our feature battles, the poll gives everybody one vote. So
everybody only has one vote on a poll, you know what I'm saying, no matter who you are. And I
think that that should be accounted for. But like what I think the charts do is it gives people who
have like a lot of conviction the chance to express that you know
what i'm saying like if they really want to express their conviction they can do that on the
charts because like if you only got one vote on a poll then you can only that's all you can affect
but at least on the charts if you really want a motherfucker to win you can do that you know what
i mean yo and not just on the charts but really out here too go retweet promote go start retweeting to the people
like go to all the social medias like you know it's there's so many components
i think it would also be cool to um maybe after the poll, right, or during the poll,
if, you know, once the battle is concluded or about to be concluded,
that maybe the poll can have like .01 or .1 soul go towards that winning vote of the song.
Or maybe it could be like a pool or something. I don't know. Just an idea.
I think Hurricane's rugged oh i think he is um okay so i can say what i needed to say here now
um so hopefully he can come back though because i just want him to hear it
um so one of the things i was going to say is that for one I think it I think it would be beneficial to mention in our like normal spiel
of of what we're doing here um that it is a battle for all genres um I think that that you back hurricane yeah yeah we in this hole okay looking around
um i think it would be beneficial that it is letting them know that it is for all genres
um again as we've discussed we do have like we are a blue ocean strategy here that we're creating
something that nobody has even thought of, you know, conceived or anything.
Like we are way out here. Like this is a whole entire brand new concept.
I know when I first got introduced to blockchain and one of the NFT projects I was in, you know,
they were talking about how limited space on the blockchain and like this whole NFT project was about memories.
space on the blockchain and like this whole NFT project was about memories and I was like wait a
minute who's like able to say like which memories can be per se you know saved because I didn't
like quite understand what they meant by like limited space on the blockchain like because
you come in from a different like not knowing anything about this world. So I think letting people know that it's for all genres is
number one. Number two, I think like what you were saying, Hurricane, about how what we're really,
what is really showing you is more of like, who, you know, the main, who would the general population of just music listeners, like, who would they go with more?
I think it is more of that.
I don't think it's, like, which is the better music structurally and, like, all of those technicalities, like you were saying.
because music hits everybody.
And majority of those people are not like technically inclined for audio stuff or musicians themselves.
So I think that that's also a huge point is like, you know, saying it's not like letting them know that we're not going for traditional, you know, music battles.
And then another part I think is that, so, okay, so like authors, you know, like they,
they write posts every day, they write newsletters every week, and they have a constant feedback loop
of like, I wrote this post, okay, like a thousand people retweeted it, liked it.
So like that post hits.
I wrote this post and like nobody said anything.
So that post didn't hit.
They have like writers, even like more video people, like even visual artists.
They have a very quick they have a feedback loop that is like expected.
They have a feedback loop that we're all engaged in every day. We all read something, we all see
something every day. And they get that like quick feedback of like what the mainstream general
population thinks of their work every day. And I think what quick battles does is it allows musicians to have a quick feedback loop of that engaged listeners of engaged listeners. Like I might retweet your music or your thing you just dropped.
Most likely on the timeline, I'm not going to sit and listen to your whole entire song.
And I think that Quick Battles is a place that's never been anywhere before to where you can come in and you can literally like, like if you play your song on the radio, you get no feedback. If you play your song on Spotify, you get no feedback. If you play your quick battles is an opportunity for you to come in
and throw it up against a rap song. And then maybe realize like, okay, they liked my song.
But, you know, this part of that song had their their toe tapping more was more danceable,
you know, like had the vibe going more. So maybe you just take that little
tiny bit like a feedback. Same thing like what you're doing with content, Hurricane, is like you
tried a thousand different hooks on different posts. And eventually you start to realize which
little tiny parts of which posts and what type of things you do actually like people like. So eventually you grab all those positive things
and you put them all together in one post
and you make a fire ass post.
Same thing as authors.
Eventually they've honed their specialty
of whatever they're writing their book about
to where they finally write their whole book.
And that's when they become a New York Times
bestselling author or whatever.
So I think that the quick battles is for that. I also think that us letting them know right away
that like we have, these are the quick battles and this was like the testing ground for you know the the main battles um
and i also think um i'm sorry one second but yeah so i also think that um
oh shit now i forgot what i'm saying i'll come back. That's a bet, yo. Don't forget the thought, yo, because you was cooking, yo.
You were cooking.
But, yo, let's say what's good to the new folks on the stage.
Grinding ever since day one, not day two, bruh.
Came up here earlier.
What's good with you, dawg?
Damn, I guess it's day two or some shit.
But, yo, shout out to benny j in the building what's
good bro i think it's your first time coming up to speak what up oh what's happening bro yeah i
didn't even know y'all did them in the daytime bro i would see the uh the night ones but uh
yeah what's up bro um yeah i like i like your vibe, bro. I went to a couple of them and I know, just having people listening to their music
and getting that feedback is important
to a bunch of people, so.
Yo, bro, I totally, totally agree, man.
That's why we having this whole discussion.
That's why we pushing every night, 8.30 p.m. EST.
Check the pin post up top for yesterday's results,
the first pin post. And yeah, and the replies, you know, is the space we're going to be in tonight.
But yeah, dawg, I definitely agree. It's very, very necessary. And like, I've discovered so
much fire shit, bro, just by being here, bro, just by listening to the full songs. Because
like Kendi was saying earlier, like like if you my homie i'm gonna
like repost whatever you know what i'm saying because you are homie but that don't mean i'm
gonna listen to the whole thing on the timeline because it's just so much stuff on the timeline
you know what i'm saying so much stuff everybody's scrolling there's just mad shit going on but like
i feel like us creating a place where the goal and the mission is to listen to the music and if
you're one of those people that's like yo i don't like to waste my time blah blah you can make money too if you
know what you're doing on the charts you feel me so yeah bro i think it's a great fucking fusion
that we got here we just got to make sure it's done right that's why we're having this whole
discussion but i see my g god cloud with his hand up what What's up, dog? All right. I figured it out. Forget the poll.
Don't do the poll at all.
So this is what you do, right?
When the space is happening, if anybody wants to come up, you have something in the purple pill or whatever that explains the rules.
And if somebody wants to come up on stage, you check with them and say, hey, go in the purple pill.
Read the terms and conditions, basically. And like them, accept those.
So you understand the rules.
So you don't come up here with no bullshit.
And that's how you screen these motherfuckers, man.
That's how you do it.
No pull.
Just this is what we're doing.
We sell oranges here.
We sell oranges here.
Don't come up here talking to Apple shit.
So that's the solution.
That's what we do.
And it won't happen again.
But I got to split.
I'm about to take my fucking nap before I got to go pick my kid up.
But yeah, love y'all.
Peace.
Or we just let people who are participating in the wars up, and everybody who's meant to be listener can stay listener.
Damn.
He's in segregation.
He's in segregation, bro.
He's in stay in your place, bro, if you're not in battle, bro.
That's actually crazy work but uh yo let's uh yeah stay off the battlefield or you'll get shot that's a funny
shit right there man but uh yo i see i see steele's hand up we gotta say it was other tricky too
uh wait who put the hand up first flowy or steele bro i don't know bro defy space donkeys what up really good bro no hey uh
uh flowy baddy baddy um no i uh just wanted yeah dude benny j is uh dude we call him the oracle
dude this guy is like the all-knowing Oracle, bro.
He's pretty amazing.
He's very well-versed.
I think he makes like a song a day in AI, too.
But no, he's guided me just through this space for multiple years.
He's a really good dude.
Very, very well-versed.
Very, very knowledgeable.
So, shout-out to Benny the Oracle.
Oh, man.
I appreciate it, bro.
But really, I'm like, I like the crypto thing, right?
But I come to y'all, bro, honestly, for this, like, the music thing. Because I come across so many talented people, like, just in life.
And I was, you know, because of that situation or, you know, you always hear, oh, man, the music industry is like, you know, tricking us, tricking off us and screwing us over and this and that.
And it's like, won't you try another way, you know, instead of just keep beating your head.
And I actually like, you know, come come to y'all for this type of stuff.
And I actually like, you know, come to come to y'all for this type of stuff.
And I kind of had like a crypto like side to it or or idea.
But now I was telling Hurricane in the back.
I've come to y'all space like, you know, Hurricane was in spaces.
Black Dave. I'm just giving like shout out to all OGs.
Duchess is in here. She got a, you know, her, her no sleep gang.
And you, Stilo, we, we were making beats.
You know, I used to go to a spaceship, which you're making beats, which I,
I'm like an amateur. I can put some loops together on some stuff,
But it's like there's levels to this and I'm not I'm not even I'm not even going like disrespect the protocol to these levels.
but it's like, there's levels to this. And I'm not, I'm not even,
I'm not there. I make stuff for fun. I enjoy it. I put it out and, you know, other people enjoy it.
And that's that. But now I come I come to these spaces like to listen and learn.
Really, I just have a good memory, bro. I have a good memory and I'm just inquisitive.
So I go into all kinds of spaces and I hear a thing and I hear this from that space and
that space and just my deep dive.
And I was like, you know what?
If so-and-so did what they do and then they come over here and put it with that, it'd
probably blow up, you know.
And that's why I say, like, the discovery and being able to try stuff
is really, like, essential for everybody in music, Web3 or whatever,
because everyone is looking for the same thing, no matter what they do.
If they're artists, like, quote, like, like like painters or nft artists or musicians that
ultimately they're it's it's the same like plumbing that needs to be erected and put together so um
who else but yeah there's a bunch of ogs so i've been coming in like these music spaces so um i
know i ain't necessarily a musician now but i i've been i've been like you know seeing y'all and
and coming in and listening to y'all talk.
So I get the game.
Yo, real quick.
I saw an interview last night from, I'm sorry, Flo, really quick.
I saw an interview from Jimmy Ivey last night.
It was from a couple of days ago.
And he's like, dude, the streaming services are minutes away.
Minutes away from being extinct.
Like they're, they're minutes away.
He literally said that
because he he's like you can't be doing that what they did to artists you can't do that
and that's not like he literally said there's they're minutes away from from being an old model
damn vicious yo let's say what's up to flowy though what's up flowy
i'm okay yeah so uh I'm just sharing everybody's contribution and I'm ready
to talk now so um I think I agree totally with what candy said about the life music helping us
to review music and helping the artists know where to improve you know because just like she said um when you're
playing music on spotify and the other available music services you don't get to really know um
the feedback but with the wave world i think it helps because you get to hear live um reviews and
then you know how to improve moving forward but i just have um i think someone said something about the ai artist
and i think that has been an argument that a couple of um real musicians i'm not saying that
the ai artists are not real musicians but like you know the other musicians they put in the work and
they don't just throw something to the ai and tell the ai to do it you know so I just wanted to know everyone's thought on AI music and if it's good to like mix it up with the actual artists that sit
down and write music you know I just wanted to know what you guys think yeah
or if it's maybe probably the real artists should also merge AI into the
music and make it better whatever yo yo this is such a pertinent conversation
because there's been multiple music battles where you know one was AI and one was uh regular we
actually had Armand who was in our R&B music battle and he uh he went against uh Ramon and
Ramon mixed AI with his music you know what I I'm saying? Like, he used AI to, like, take his music to that next level.
And it definitely sounded really good, and it won the battle.
And what I would say to that is AI music is all well and good, et cetera, et cetera.
I think it's here.
It's here.
You know what I'm saying?
It's here to stay.
We can't deny it and be like, yo, it don't exist, blah, blah, blah.
Like, if it's here, it has to be dealt with, bro.
And the reason that we allow it to be on Wave Wars as well is because, like, in the real world, it's going to be there as well.
You know what I'm saying?
And if you want to stand out in the real world, stand out in Wave Wars as well against AI music.
Because, like, if you're able to make music that's better than AI music and you're a real musician bro do you you doing some
right here you know what i'm saying because like and on top and we have like not not just like ai
music it's ai music the raw music and then people mixing ai music with the raw music just you know
so it's it's really a combination of everything agreed bro so like we can't ignore the the
technology that's here bro i think that's
it just doesn't make sense and we have to allow it to to be here so that we actually really get
the best music the the goal is to birth the best music how it's made is not necessarily
you know i'm saying as important it's just yo is that does that shit slap bro that's really it bro
but i see uh i see tricky with his hand up and we ain't got to
talk to him yet so what's good with you tricky it's tricky buddha from defy space donkeys
retweet the room tag some friends and you know do all the fucking things um this is a good
conversation uh i uh yeah i'll add something but i think benny's had his hand up for a minute so we'll
just jump over to benny and then we'll come back okay bro tricky you ain't even got to talk yet
what'd you be betty betty said his piece a little bit we gonna give him a shot but okay well so i
think i think it's all about the result and it's's kind of like, you know, you see a guy with some spoons.
And you're like, what the fuck is he going to do with spoons?
Right?
And some guys can kill that shit, right?
Or he's got some cups and a desk.
And then he fucking breaks out the drums.
And you're like, oh shit, that's talent, you know?
So I learned how to play the piano when I was like 6 to 12.
You could put any sheet music in front of me,
and I would just play it right out the gate, both hands, no problem.
And then I got bored.
So I stopped doing it.
But now I can play the piano, and then I can fill in the gaps
because, like, I can't play drums.
And maybe I can't sing the chorus that I want
because it's supposed to be like a female voice or something, right?
Or, like, maybe I've got my hands blown off and I can still type with my nose, you know?
I can still use the AI to make the music that I want.
And, like, I make AI art, for example, but I'm trying to recreate the vision that popped into my head
when I was thinking about the factors and the image that someone gave me.
So only I really know how good it is because you don't know what I saw.
But a lot of them try not to be cool.
So I give them for free until I like perfect it.
But I'm writing like 2,000 to 4,000 words in my prompt.
Right?
It's very specific.
I'm like a director and a story writer and a script writer.
I'm moving the cameras and I'm using the technical terms for everything in the film industry, like a rack shot.
Look it up.
It's really cool.
It's in every movie.
It makes it dramatic.
But when you know the words, that's it. All we have to know now is vocabulary and we can literally make anything from code to music. Soon I'll even let you do music videos now.
So like I can't afford to mix, master and do a music video. I'm broke. I put my money in crypto.
music video i'm broke right i put my money in crypto um so but this will let me like do that
shit on the look on the cheap right it's kind of like we've given everybody cheerios right but if
you come in with a flaming yawn we're gonna respect that shit doesn't matter how you got to this that
flaming yawn you know all right there you go That's my piece God bless bro. And yeah, I agree brother
Like the only thing I would say about the AI music and a little hope for you know
All it uh the real artists or whatever is
There's way more creative
Reach if you don't rely slowly solely on AI, you know what I'm saying?
Cuz like if you rely solely on AI you always gonna get the same kind of sound like me personally i could immediately know when the song is the average
person is not gonna kill it with an ai song but an artist is gonna know the terminology to make
that bang that too that too yo let's say what's up to benny what's up benny oh so um so i'm the hack right um and i so i use
the ai stuff right i'm a hack for all of this so um but for the music i use it and as i you know
i tell people i can only i i make prompts or whatever and i you know i try to do my research
but i can only go on what I get out of it right
and I have again I hang around you know musicians and everything I'm in some dm groups and they talk
about different different uh synthesizers and and and you know all these different effects which I
have no clue of you know because I'm not a musician, right? But I just take, you know, I make a note
of it, and then I'll try to incorporate in my prompt to get a better prompt. But, you know,
like, you guys who, like, work on Fruity Loops, right? You want a drum pattern. Dude, there's,
like, hundreds. There's hundreds, you know what I'm saying? And they'll have, like, whatever
drum pack, you know, 1,000, or, you know, how the people name their drum packs, you know, saying they don't have like whatever drum pack, you know 1,000 or you know how the people named their drum packs, you know, like y'all know the bigger like, you know
People named their drum packs, but yeah, I don't know any of that y'all have that y'all have like, you know
Outlines of songs. Um, you know, I'll write songs right now
Even said that I like brush shout out to people that write songs for a living because I'm sitting here like
Daily thinking of stuff to write about for a song
Cuz I'm like I can't I can't make a love song like every day, right?
But then you got like people like neo that not only write love songs for himself
He seems to write love songs for them. They're half the female, you know artists
So he's got like thousands
of songs and he's got that. And, you know, I hate to say like real, real, real musician and all that,
because there's, again, there's levels to it, but people that have, you have skills, you know,
if you're a writer, okay, you might not be good at music. Right. And then even being good at music,
that's not necessarily right,
because music is a feeling to the person that hears it, right? So we could technically say,
like, this marquee, what, he's just a friend, right? Technically, he's a terrible singer. It's
off key, but guess what? It's a hit. It's people like it for the most part because they the way they receive it.
And that's, you know, that's something you no matter where you are in life, that that's the thing that you can you can you can be technically right.
And if people don't feel it, they just don't feel it. You know, and that's not an indictment necessarily to you your craft your
knowledge um and that's the same thing if i use ai if people don't feel it they don't feel it but
you know someone with the technical knowledge that the skills they can you know if you like
man i don't feel like going through fruity loops and searching through these thousand
Man, I don't feel like going through Fruity Loops and searching through these thousand options from a drum pattern.
I got my song, got my melody, I got my chorus, everything else.
And you can describe the tone to AI and it'll pop out a couple examples.
And even if they all suck, it'll spur something in your mind to motivate you.
The other thing is we're already listening to AI.
A lot of beats are already already ai and we don't
we just don't know it because like there we we see we hear the genuine voice and we don't even
think about that part well that was the whole thing right the the song and i say this all the
time the song that kicked off the quote-unquote ai music was the uh what is it, Winter's Cold, where the guy used Drake and The Weeknd's Voice.
And he is an actual producer for like 15 years,
and he's worked with these actual artists.
So he was the one, like, they did an interview,
and he's like, yeah, we had similar stuff.
Y'all just getting it.
But, you know, and I know he's not lying,
because I've heard like demos, right?
I've heard a demo of, you know, how they would bring in like these singers, right.
These studio singers and they'll sing a song and they'll do the iteration, the notes and, you know, and then they'll bring in like Rihanna to come and quote unquote, the studio singer. And it sounded way better.
It sounded way better to me than Madonna.
But it was Madonna.
So they put, you know, they put my, uh, like I heard a song, uh, cause I watched these videos
of how these producers like break down their beats and all this stuff.
And, uh, the guy Jr, Jr, uh, I've got his name.
Um, the producer, that.R., J.R., I've got his name. The producer, that's his drop, J.R., he did a song with Nicki Minaj, and he had someone sing the hook.
And the hook sounded better to me, right?
And he's like, oh, yeah, I'm going to get Rihanna on this hook.
And all Rihanna did was take word for word, iteration, everything from what the previous singer did.
That was it.
That was it. And, you you know the song was a hit and it's like damn um a lot of people like these eight we you know
y'all doing like everything but these bigger places they're they're they're not they're not
in their they're cutting corners and all this stuff you know people think it's going on it's
not necessarily going on um and you know again that's cool
but you gotta like people gotta be happy like whatever they're doing right so like there's
painting right you can paint you can paint a picture on a canvas with paint you can go to
hobby lobby get paint for like five dollars right but on my timeline there's a I saw this black guy. He's taking a flamethrower, not a torch, and he's burning images into a goddamn piece of wood.
And he's taking a knife and carving it out to make his images.
You know what I'm saying?
Now, of course, you can say, well, it's easy to just paint it.
But that's not what he wants to do.
You know?
And he seems to enjoy it. So that's how he wants to do, you know, and he seems to enjoy it.
So that's how he wants to get it.
Hey, get it.
You know, don't let beauty go for it.
Yes.
Yes.
We sometimes we look at other people's things and think that's that's that.
Well, we should be doing that, which, again, there's money and then there's joy.
Some of this stuff should be for the joy.
You know what I'm saying? And you have you find your joy. Some of this stuff should be for the joy.
You know what I'm saying?
And however you find your joy, that's how you find it.
You use the best skill you've got to make the money to get where you want.
And then you can do things that you just enjoy and hope you make money.
You know?
That's kind of my goal.
But, yeah.
Yo, guys, we only have, like, seven retweets on the room but we got 16 people in here so like get down there do a retweet or something you can undo it after the space but uh but yeah
man do the things we got some cool things we're talking about uh this recorded space so
it'll help push it out i love to see those little flames on there, if you like, when we get to like 50 comments and stuff.
Yo, crazy work.
But yeah, I definitely,
well, I definitely agree with you,
Tricky on folks got to repose the space.
But also I agree with Benny on,
you know, just like,
let your creativity be what it is.
And like over here,
like we definitely down,
because I see a lot of music platforms,
including, what's it called?
Band camp and shit. That's like, yo, no AI yo no ai music and you know and i'm like bruh like how do you know
first of all but uh just one time at band camp yeah i don't know this guy wallet bro but uh yeah
bruh so i mean i think it's all good at the end of the day like bring what bring what you got to bring and, you know, make sure you bring the best music possible.
And that's really that's really the mission at the end of the day.
And yeah, we're going to take it from there. Candy, go ahead, yo.
Yeah, I think, you know, letting well, for one, like, you know, letting people that know when they first come in that like the quick battles is
like for one,
a feedback loop and two is a music discovery engine for listeners and new
audience.
And then also a discovery engine for like who you might want to battle in a
featured battle.
I think letting,
letting them know right off the bat that like quick battles is just like songs.
Like I was saying yesterday is like the leaderboard is it's,
it's just songs like it's song versus song.
And then letting them know that the main battles is where you like battle your catalog and that's artist versus artist.
Now, like, as we've seen in quick battles, there's been a lot of pairs that have like surfaced as good matches, you know, like Stormy and Steve Strange.
Or I mean, there's a whole bunch of them, you know, like all different ways that make good matches.
And then we kind of think, oh, that'd be a good battle.
either listening to who you might want to battle in the future or also, you know, honing in on your craft for what you're building for a featured battle, I think is good.
One of the cool things, though, that is like, I feel like is kind of being overlooked with the quick battles. And maybe that was, you know,
just the context of the conversation yesterday was that,
you know, like he, he wasn't,
Casper didn't have his, you know, his, his thing up on audience.
Like he wasn't actually in the quick battles,
but like every time Louie hears what the audience likes about his music, or every time Louie hears about what the audience doesn't like about his music, he's also getting paid.
So, like, you know, he's getting paid to put himself out there to just get feedback.
So, like, honestly, like, really, you can't get butthurt about that any way you slice it.
Just because, for for one you would
never have that sort of opportunity and two you definitely would be paid for it so i think uh
you know try to keep trying to i i like what you were saying the one day about how and i think we
should work on this um about how like you know we keep track of the top, like quick battles for the week,
things like that to where it kind of helps to build the data of future battles. I think that
will be really helpful. And then on the whole judges aspect of like what we were saying,
I think that there should, like for for one I think we could like kind of uh pick out like
some people who have judged before who have gave really like sound feedback or like really uh
you know really good feedback I think we should keep those people kind of on a list
because um of like good judges and like people who maybe we've like spoken to
about like, hey, maybe we might randomly ask you to judge. Would you like to participate in judging
again? I think having those people like kind of on a list for future battles and stuff is a good
idea because right now we are a small corner of the internet and we kind of all know each other.
And that's why we do get these little like, hey, no, I don't want you to judge because you're friends with him sort of thing.
But as soon as we reach like another part of the algorithm or another community or another circle, we won't have those problems.
those problems. So I think like knowing that like so-and-so is a great judge,
like they give great feedback. I think that is like worth, maybe even we create like a,
like a name or a role or a star or like a badge or whatever it is for like people who do give
great music feedback. I think that's really helpful helpful and then i also think whenever we explain it
if we we let people know that this is like this is a new concept like you usually do say this is
a new concept hasn't been done before but um letting them know that like throwing that word
out there of like this is financial entertainment this is a new thing that like
maybe not everybody maybe your older generations aren't familiar with it but if you look towards
the younger generations i mean my kids have financial entertainment all day long with like
well not all day but you know why don't we do these random with no ID? Like, literally, you have different songs,
and you try to get people with the same genre, right?
And you match up the songs, but that are, like, similar,
and nobody knows what's what.
What do you mean?
I don't get that one.
So, like, if you have two rappers,
and you don't say which one so like if you did two you have two rappers and you don't you don't say which
one is is which one like you have an a and a b you don't have art you don't have you know like
louis versus stilo or like you know louis versus it doesn't you know what i mean you wouldn't you
wouldn't name them you would just have a blind test i feel what you're saying but i mean i feel like knowing the artist
like that doesn't that doesn't translate to the real world i see if you was talking about
like just straight like uh like like we were saying earlier it feels like straight music
versus music based on the technicalities and shit i would agree with that but like i think
what we really going for here is like giving folks a real-world proxy of how one's music would perform.
You know what I'm saying?
So it's like, I think your name is important.
You know, the people that support you is important.
Like, it's all important.
You know what I'm saying?
And as far as getting that data, because that data is very valuable as an artist.
Because me personally, I found the song that I should be sharing.
From doing these quick battles, I found the song that I should be sharing to every motherfucker to ask me if i make music
every which one which one is it down ways bro i've been sharing that hoe and it's been going bro
and then they go into my whole catalog after listening that one song you feel me and for so
long i never knew which song that was but because of like doing these quick battles over and over
and seeing the reception bro i, I've been like,
okay, let me just show them this song.
And every single time they start looking
into the rest of my catalog.
And I realized the first song that people hear from you
is very, very important, bro.
Cause like if it's okay, you know, to them or whatever,
then they probably, you know, gonna listen
and they're not gonna explore further.
But if that first song they listened to makes them want to explore, bro, that's it.
That's all you need.
Then they start sharing it.
Then they start listening to it all day in their car.
Bruh, I'm telling you, bro, like this shit is powerful data, bro.
Very powerful.
You've got 6 to 15 seconds to make an impression.
So if you don't do that, it's just an uphill battle after that.
Seriously, people have a short attention span.
If you've got someone with a really long attention span, maybe you'll get a minute or two.
But that's about it.
You know, if they're stuck in the middle.
The honest nowadays, bro, is less than that.
It's two seconds.
It's even less.
That's a .001.
That's why I also believe in, like, real-world type shit, too.
Like, I don't—of course of course you know i'll be promoting
on the internet in a certain sense mostly via waveboards bro i kind of i kind of i don't like
doing the tiktok shit this is not my style you know what i'm saying but like in real life bro
like talking to people and shit like once they ask you questions once they're curious about you
and you show them your music they're way more likely to fuck with it like look at you do the
lives like you do you basically do the same thing.
You just turn on Tik Tok and then you can, for once in a while,
you can read a comment from them, but they'll tip you.
Like Klajan, he makes most of his money just going live on Tik Tok.
Of course he has over a billion followers, but you know, seriously,
they get actually pretty good traction going live.
And Songs of Eden said YouTube
Does the same thing it really pumps you out too
So it's it's good to do cross platform or you know get someone who could stream all of it from their own server
Like biometa does that you know, she'll put you in 30 places in the metaverse
We actually do stream in multiple places every time we do do our quick battle nights, every time we do our big battles, we stream to Twitch, YouTube, and not TikTok.
But we still have to figure out how to do that.
I got TikTok Studio, but running that and the live on my computer, my computer be huffing and puffing, bro.
You need another device.
Deadass, bro.
Deadass, bro.
But, uh, but, uh, yo, let let's say let's say what's good to benny
what's up benny oh snap yeah y'all y'all kind of took my um thing because i was gonna say um
when i came in the in in the in the space it was giving me the uh i even said it it was giving me
the versus um you know vibe um and the beautiful, I haven't watched versus since they brought it back.
So I'm not sure if that's still the case, but the beautiful thing about,
uh, versus outside of, outside of the, uh,
the locks and the diplomat, uh, the dip set one, right. Cause that was,
that was, that was a, that was great war, but, um,
all the other ones are, were actually like just celebrations, you know, of the artists.
Yeah, it was head to head. Yeah, they kept score. But really, it was it was fun and it was celebrating, you know, both both of the artists music.
And that's the vibe I got from you guys. And on the flip side is.
from you guys. And on the flip side is for me, right? I listen to music like in my car, right?
But the music in my car I listen to is the music I know. As far as discovery, it's the times I'm
having to be at home and I might have Spotify or some Amazon or some music playing, and honestly, but I'm doing stuff, right? So the music
is in the background, so I don't really discover songs like that, and the thing with Wave Wars,
and like you say, the cross-posting is, it's not, you know, again, it's not your music necessarily,
it's the people, and the people aren't in the right headspace to really hear
your music and feel your music. So that's why for me, most of my music discovery is from people
just posting. And they'll post stuff that has nothing to do with the music. They just happen
to chose that song. And I'm reading or watching their post. And I hear the song and I'm reading or watching their post and I hear the song because I'm receptive to it
in that moment in time. And I'm like, you know what? And then I'll go look up that song or
whatever and listen to it. And then now it's in the car. And that's the thing. Yeah, you got your
music out on these sites and I don't know if I feel my music or whatever, but you come to something
like this and you get in a battle. And even if, quote unquote, you don't win the battle, people are coming in here with the right mindset to hear music.
And now when they hear your music, they're like, oh, yeah, I rock with that.
And like, again, the verses they showed, at least in the beginning, those people's discography like experienced a bump
from when the people watched the verses and they're like oh i like them you know i was too
young for them or i couldn't listen to them because it was you know they had cursing and
i couldn't listen to curse words or whatever the case may be so they went back you know all the
all the numbers across everyone that's been on there their their discography like experienced a bump in streams so you know that's that's why that's
the meeting where i got with the uh when i saw the wave wars thing i was like yeah this is this
is cool cool and and it's it's wave wars with the z so the battles aren't really battles it's more
like everyone brought their you know their game on and the the people who are trading really decide the winner with the judges.
And you can get super votes and stuff, right?
So there's multiple ways that you can change the outcome.
And it's way more friendly.
We have wars with the Z.
If it was with the S, you know it would be serious.
But it's a Z, man.
It's about bringing people together.
You know what I'm saying, bro?
I want you to drink you, man.
Hyped man on this century.
But, yo, we got to say what's good to draw up in this space.
Real quick, before I do say that, I will say, Candy, I did, on your topic of the top quick battles,
that's why I've been making those posts.
That's like the first pin post in this space right here. The top battle of the top quick battles that's why I've been making those posts that's like the first
pin post in this space right here the top battle of the night always gets posted and you know that
whole post bro we we put in the winners of the battles with their exact song names so you can
easily search them up find them on audience etc etc and like that's the goal of that you feel me
so like also the benefit of the quick battles is if you win you
get put on that post and you know people might discover you you know late in the day or whatever
and then also if you want that top battle you know what i'm saying you're getting the whole card you
getting the the you know i'm saying you get the the visuals and shit you know what i mean so like
it's like it's like it's definitely a great way of discovering music and like putting it out there
and that's why you know even when i don't feel like making those posts i'm like nah we gotta make the post
you know to put the peoples out there right you know but uh either way let's say what's good to
what's up zol yo gmzm happy thursday everybody i'm feeling unbelievably amazing today. I am on the journey down to Boston, the five-hour journey,
headed out to Denver to get the Wave Wars name out there.
I'm super stoked, super excited.
And man, where has Benny been?
He literally sounds like he's been here the whole time.
Bro, like you sniped it.
Literally, we modeled this whole thing.
Hurricane came to me in, i don't know 2024 it was like yo versus was sick there's nothing like that on web 3 let's do
it so like you literally got it on the money like we definitely modeled our concept from that i don't
even know if they had restarted at that point um but yeah, shout out to you, Benny. You got it on the money.
Like it's that, like we say live traded music battles, but it's so much more than that.
100%, man.
100%.
Shout out to my GZaw, bruh.
While we here, while he's here, you know what I'm saying?
I do got to give big props to him because he is also the sponsor of the space, Vita Zabal.
If you don't know about the Zabal, yo,
let me tell you a little bit about it.
These Wave War spaces aren't just about the battles.
They're where we experiment with the actual tools
builders are using to support artists,
streams, and communities in real time.
Zabal exists to learn in public, share what works,
and make it easier for creators to build their own momentum
instead of waiting on permission. If you're curious how this stuff gets built stick around you're
already in the room yeah and for more info on the ball z-a-b-a-l dot a-r-t for more gas bro but yeah
bro absolute absolutely excited to have you out up here bro and thank you for the support out here
that's why we put them in the top of our space every day you know what i'm saying because they showing love bro
to the folks building out here on the ground but uh yeah dog i definitely agree with with your
sentiment as well the goal is definitely to have an entertaining way for people to discover music
at the end of the day and then also adding the financial component as well because i know me
personally bro i know time is money bro I know time is money, bruh.
I know time is money.
So I'm like, bruh, if I'm gonna spend my time,
you know what I'm saying?
I wanted there at least to be some kind of return or whatever.
And I know other people got that same kind of mentality.
So that's why, you know, when we created these type of music battles,
added the trading component, et cetera, et cetera,
we wanted to make sure that any type of person could be appeased by the situation.
You know what I mean?
So like, yeah, bro.
Shout out to yous all.
Shout out to everybody that's been cooking out here.
Yo, last night was fucking fire.
Absolute heat, bro.
New songs from like all over the place.
We back at it again tonight, 8.30 PM EST.
It's pinned up top.
Yo, shout out to Tricky for pinning it up top.
But yeah, bro, we'll see y'all there.
And then we'll see if anybody got any last things to say before we close up the space.
And also, also, this Friday, last thing, this Friday, yo, which is tomorrow, we got the love song battle, bro.
It's going down tomorrow, 4 p.m. EST.
DM EST, let me pin that up to the top, bro.
Let me pin that up to the top, bro.
If you got love songs, if you got love songs that you want to be featured on this battle, bro,
definitely send me your song, and then after the song, put all caps LOVE SONG, so I know.
Like, DM it to me, and I'll know, you know, it's the love song that you're submitting for the battle.
And then also, if you got classics, like a lot of people have been suggesting classics
to submit for the classic side,
do the same thing, send a link to the classic,
YouTube preferably, and then on the bottom of the link,
I mean, on the bottom of the message,
put classics with a Z.
You know we don't do no S shit, bro.
But that's how I know you send me a classic suggestion.
But yeah, bro, it's finna go down.
We got Thigh Revolution, who's partnering with us for the battle tomorrow.
Up here on the stage, Poli Raiders in the space, too, yo.
Yo, the whole battle, all proceeds, is going to the Poli Raiders.
I believe we've raised more than $1,000 already, if I'm not mistaken.
If I'm not mistaken, Candy can give me the actual numbers.
But, yeah, that's what it is so far. We ain't even done the battle yet and that's tomorrow bro so what's up thai what's up
let's go happy um thursday you're legends i don't know what day it is when you're a parent you never
do hope you're all good smashing it what an amazing number that is absolutely mind-blowing just how epic these
communities are phenomenal artists amazing human beings a great cause lots of energy music people
togetherness unity all of the amazing things you guys are awesome love being a part of this
collaboration over competition every single time let Let's go!
What's good with you, Bajie?
Yeah, good to see you out here, man.
We definitely gonna keep cooking,
doing what it do.
But yeah, bro, if y'all don't know,
he's gonna be hosting the space tomorrow.
That's where it's gonna be at.
Check the pin post up top.
Check the replies to set your reminder.
But yeah, man, I think,
I don't know if Sneak to say something i'm seeing hands
popping up and popping down bro what's going on here bro what's up sneak yo just wanted to share
right quick i uh pinned a post by volume up there to the top i am the founding artist of volume.buzz
and for those of you that don't know i was in a bad 360 deal back in 2021 entering the nft space
you that don't know i was in a bad 360 deal back in 2021 entering the nft space and this is the
first year i get to start releasing music again and so my team and i we built a distribution
platform that literally uses the same technology that the big three use so artists have zero excuse
as to you know not getting their stuff out there now also the very first three songs that artists
drop through the distribution platform are covered the whole nine so this distribution
publishing syncing licensing registration the whole nine like your
whole music business is covered for those three songs afterwards it's like
50 bucks for the entire year you get all of the tools that distro kids who
and core and all these other distributors give you at no additional cost so there is no upcharge no nothing um and we also are bringing gamification
onto the distribution so there's also going to be a marketplace where peeps are going to be able to
collect music and also make money with the artists that they back so yeah more on that later but for now we have the distribution
platform it's free to sign up we're currently in beta test anybody who wants to go drop three
songs out there for the entire world to hear the platform is yours the world is yours bro let's get
it say let's cook up dog the one thing about extinct he gonna get behind his shit bro
extinct get behind his shit that's why i fuck with extinct bro like he one of those people that
that's gonna make sure he get he pushes his stuff you know what i mean so good work bro
i see uh what's up candy what's up
the other guys can go first i'll be quick after Sounds good, yo. I saw Benny with his hand up in that tricky tease.
Oh, yeah.
So I'm coming in late, so excuse me if this had been mentioned or you already checked it out.
But Audius has community grants that they've been giving out for the last six, seven months.
They even had a hackathon for projects that incorporated audios so i don't know if anyone's ever reached out to them but
they have been giving out money um for different projects to who because not only did we reach out
to them we we talked to their whole partnerships guy we what else we got in a discord he kicked me they kicked me out the discord
i'm like bro we done tagged them 10 000 times bro yo y'all still y'all still ignoring us like
a stepchild bro oh that's foul bro they had a whole list of projects i'ma i'ma i'ma uh i had
saved it like just about a month ago, month and a half ago.
You're like, here's our new projects built, you know,
whatever the community thing they call it.
Bruh.
I don't know if them projects cap.
I don't know, bruh.
I don't know, bruh.
They treat us terribly.
But, I mean, the technology is dope.
I will say.
So we still use it. But, I don't know, bruh.
That shit was weird.
But either way, we'll say what's up to Tricky Tease
What up, what up?
It's Tricky Buddha from
DeFi Space Donkeys
Reach me to the room, DJs
Okay, well, you know, I came on another account
So I had to
I also pinned up some of my fun AI
This is actually some of the first stuff
But the top right one, there's four.
It's me throwing my wife off from cruise ship. So check that out. It's probably like three back
from the front because I did it right as Hurricane posted the space. So then I just reposted the
space in front of my thing. So nobody probably saw it, but check it out. It's worth the look.
Check it out. It's worth the look.
Now to you, Candy.
Thank you, Tricky.
Yeah, so I just wanted to add to our conversation
is that I do think that the quick battles of it representing also
the artist, even though it's song for song, still kind of seeing who can pull in that audience.
Like if you notice from the quick battles, artists like Louis or SteeLo or people who have been in or, you know, Porky or like whoever has been in main battles, usually like people have kind of
got their back on the charts a little bit. And I think sometimes maybe that kind of has to do with,
I wouldn't call it marketing, but like the whole overall brand perception of the artist or how the listeners feel about the artist. So I do think that that
is a good indication also, like you were saying, Hurricane. And then also same thing with the AI.
I feel like sometimes maybe the main battles, I could see if you want to know which artist is
using AI, which is not, or if they want to if they want to both, like, disclose how they used AI.
But I think for the quick battles, it's also a really good test of, like, how good are you using AI with your music?
Like, you know how, like, Louis has done, and a lot of other artists have put AI in their music, like our Louie's done a whole separate uh
you know artist like itself um I feel like that is that's like you know just like you were testing
the waters with like your real music when you were really making it now you have a new tool
or new instruments that you gotta like test the waters on it too. So like yesterday, whatever
they said, you know, uh, Louis song, like, you know, not quite as much. They were saying Stila's
Bonita, like, you know, it sounded better with whatever. Um, I think that, yeah, the danceability
factor was there, but then also I'm sure that like, you know, Louis could probably hear like
the texture difference or the, the, you know, he can probably hear the slight difference that they were comparing.
That like next time he's going to go back and make sure that he like tunes that part in his AI song.
So it does sound closer to, you know, the standard of like a regular artist.
And then finally, I just wanted you all to see poly Raiders down there
with the PR logo they are who we are doing the benefit for tomorrow and super
excited about that we have you can donate in Seoul or in fiat we have a
PayPal link so yeah they're down there know, you can give them a follow as well. And I just wanted to shout them out.
And COC.
Shout out to Akar.
Nah, nah.
What up, Don?
What up?
I just know that you was looking to end the space.
And I just thought, how can I drag this out and make him stay for as long as human possible?
Wow, work, bro. You don't want me possible? Wow, work. Wow, work, bro.
You don't want me to be fed, bro.
No, that's it, man.
You don't look like you struggle for food.
You are an absolute unit.
He doesn't look like he's struggling for food at all, huh, Thay?
I'm safe to say it while I'm this far away on it.
But if I was in person, I'd just be like let's
take this man to anywhere he wants to go to eat food because otherwise we will be the food
but uh no I just wanted to say uh thank you for for all the support and the collaboration and
don't forget legend as well if you want to support positivity togetherness unity purpose
believing everyone has value regardless of their skill set and also advocating for mental
health you can add a plus to your name it's a way we can represent each other without sacrificing
your name or profile picture but it's all good if you do it's all good if you don't it's just a way
we can show togetherness so uh just like shout that out and thank everyone that does that and
has done that you're our absolute legends and i'm super excited for tomorrow have a great evening
keep doing your amazing work and shout out to everyone that smashes it
every single day.
Let's go.
I appreciate you even letting me speak.
God bless, bro.
Appreciate you coming through, Thive.
You already know the deal.
We about to shut it down tomorrow.
Yo, you already know the deal.
4 p.m. EST is going down.
Yo, check the pin post replies for the space link.
And we also going to be vibing tonight.
You know what I'm saying?
Thursday night quick battles.
You already know the deal.
Last night was lit AF.
Definitely some fire-ass discoveries.
You're about to see what goes down tonight, man.
Yeah, that's the second pin post up top from the left.
But, yeah, man, that's it, man.
Space closing in the next 10 seconds.
Feel free to say whatever you need to say.
Space closing in 10.
Stay positive.
You already know.
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